Joe Rogan Experience #2339 - Luis J. Gomez & Big Jay Oakerson

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

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Joe Rogan 0:12 Thanks, sir.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:12 Live and running.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Yeah, the ever greater and thinner Big Jay Oakerson.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:17 Thank you, Manjaro. Shout out, Manjaro.

Joe Rogan 0:19 You're looking good, dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:20 Big ups, Manjaro.

Joe Rogan 0:21 It's nice to see-

Big Jay Oakerson 0:22 (coughs) Thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:22 ... you know?

Big Jay Oakerson 0:23 I am exercising too.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Beautiful.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:25 You have to or it will just be floppy and weird and gross.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Or it'll eat your bones. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:30 I guess, also, yes, it'll eat your bones-

Joe Rogan 0:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:31 ... they say.

Joe Rogan 0:33 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:35 I'm real big on taking the stuff and then not really following up with, like... You know what I mean? I did- I just started doing testosterone from a company that's, like, you know, it's above board taking it, but, like... They're like, "You should make sure you monitor your blood all the time." And I'm like, "Yeah, we'll get to that at some point."

Joe Rogan 0:51 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:51 I'm gonna keep taking it, though.

Joe Rogan 0:52 You don't monitor your blood at all?

Big Jay Oakerson 0:55 No, not me, with any regularity, I think.

Joe Rogan 0:57 You should probably do that.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:58 Yeah, they did it there.

Joe Rogan 0:58 You should-

Big Jay Oakerson 0:58 I know, someone I know says they take testosterone and they have to, like, donate blood every month to get blood-

Joe Rogan 1:05 I've heard that before. (laughs) I've heard that before.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:05 ... (laughs) 'Cause their blood's so thick.

Joe Rogan 1:06 I talked to my doctor about it because that really doesn't make sense. But he has heard of occasions where people had to do that.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:13 To unthicken their blood?

Joe Rogan 1:14 Like if you have too much blood or something. They're like, "How much are you taking?" (laughs) Like, "What are you doing? Are you going ham, bro?"

Big Jay Oakerson 1:20 This men's health company saw me coming down the road a mile away. They offered me... I'm taking two peptides-

Joe Rogan 1:24 We already started.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:24 ... and I don't even know. We started.

Joe Rogan 1:26 Sorry, we couldn't wait.

Narrator 1:27 Why even ask me? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:28 I- I don't know. Why- while you were on the door, I was like, "This doesn't make sense. Let's just start."

Big Jay Oakerson 1:32 (laughs) I'm taking two peptides that feel like fire.

Joe Rogan 1:35 Yeah, it'll be too weird.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:35 It feels like fire when I inject them, but-

Joe Rogan 1:37 Really? What are they?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:38 I don't... It's... Well, the BPC 157.

Joe Rogan 1:40 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:40 That's the one everyone's doing.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Right, that's a good one.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:42 And then something that's blue.

Joe Rogan 1:44 That's blue. Oh, methylene blue?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:46 And the blue... I don't know. It burns.

Joe Rogan 1:47 Wait a minute.

Narrator 1:47 You taking blue chips? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:48 Methylene... Hold up. Methylene blue, you're not supposed to inject.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:51 It's not that then. It's G... It starts with a G. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:53 Oh, okay.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:54 ... something with a letters. G-H-

Joe Rogan 1:55 Methylene blue is weird stuff. It's, uh, it's a dye for, like, fabrics that people take for its health benefits, like, it-

Big Jay Oakerson 2:03 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 2:04 ... boosts mitochondria or something. Yeah, it's really weird. Like, what exactly does it do? I should ask, even though I take it.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:12 (laughs)

Narrator 2:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:13 I'm like, "What..." I don't take it all the time, but I have taken it, and I don't know. I couldn't, I couldn't describe. I couldn't explain exactly. Here it is. A medication used, uh, in the management and treatment of... Wow, what's that word? Meth-

Big Jay Oakerson 2:28 Oh, methemoglobin. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:29 Methamoglo- (laughs)

Narrator 2:30 Oh, yeah, obviously.

Joe Rogan 2:31 Methemoglobinemia. Meth- meth-hemo-globinemia, a condition where hemoglobin decreases its ability to carry oxygen. Huh.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:41 Straight up.

Joe Rogan 2:42 But it started out as a fabric dye, I'm pretty sure. Right? Doesn't it say that?

Big Jay Oakerson 2:49 What does it do for humans?

Joe Rogan 2:51 I think it was a dye. Yeah, which is so weird that a dye would have health benefits.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:58 I grew up in a house of supplements. My stepfather was a powerlifter. So, I only know about creatine-

Narrator 3:04 Thick.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:05 Uh...

Narrator 3:06 That's it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:07 Creatine?

Big Jay Oakerson 3:07 Creatinine was another one that would show up in the house sometimes.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Creatinine?

Big Jay Oakerson 3:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Really? What's that?

Big Jay Oakerson 3:12 I don't know, but I had to go get it for my gym-

Narrator 3:13 I think Jason took creatine twice and he's just remembering it wrongly. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:16 No, it was another, it was another word.

Narrator 3:19 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:19 Cre- super creatine.

Joe Rogan 3:21 (laughs) Creatine's legit. That stuff's super good for you.

Narrator 3:24 Yeah, I just started taking Tongkat Ali for my, uh, my, uh, testosterone.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Oh. Creatinine is a waste product that forms from the breakdown of creatine in muscles. Huh.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:36 Hmm. Why would I take it?

Joe Rogan 3:37 There's another, uh, natural one.

Narrator 3:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:39 What is it? I think it's called turkesterone, I think that's what it's called.

Narrator 3:42 I know Sheila legit is good for testosterone.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Yeah, there's a few of those.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:44 You been experimenting on me?

Joe Rogan 3:45 Uh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:45 I had my doctor... I asked my doctor to put me on testosterone. I think we talked about it, because you're like, "Dude, I got... Don't worry. Fuck your doctor. (laughs) I got a doctor for you." And I was just like, "Ah, maybe I- I'll just stop smoking weed." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:57 You think that was killing your testosterone?

Narrator 3:58 I think so. I was... It was, like, lower than it should have been. It was, like, in the high 300s, and now it's at, like, mid 500s.

Joe Rogan 4:04 Well, like, a good doctor, what they'll do first is ask you, like, "What do you do for exercise? What are you eating? How much do you sleep?"

Narrator 4:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:11 Like, those things are all the first thing the doctor will ask you. And if all that stuff's fucked up, they shouldn't just give you testosterone. They should be like, "Let's fix-"

Big Jay Oakerson 4:19 My place did.

Joe Rogan 4:20 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:20 Shout out Game Day Men's Health.

Narrator 4:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:23 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:23 15 minutes, they'll get me anything I want in a needle.

Joe Rogan 4:25 There's a few-

Narrator 4:26 Really?

Joe Rogan 4:26 ... doctors out there that like to go buck wild.

Narrator 4:27 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:28 (laughs) Of course.

Joe Rogan 4:28 I think they get incentivized.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:30 I got PRP treatment in my hair. I'm not losing my hair.

Joe Rogan 4:32 Oh, nice.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:33 They just talked me into it. Now it's never going away.

Joe Rogan 4:35 PRP worked?

Big Jay Oakerson 4:37 I don't know. We're gonna find out. I just got it, like, two weeks ago.

Joe Rogan 4:39 Jay is a mark. (laughs)

Narrator 4:41 He's trying. His hair's thinning, he's... It does... It's definitely going.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:45 No.

Joe Rogan 4:45 There's a bunch of topical stuff that you could use these days.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:48 Sure.

Joe Rogan 4:49 There's, like, a finasteride topical, but I would worry that that would get into your skin and into your bloodstream. Like, that finasteride stuff is crazy. Like, that makes some people very depressed. It kills your DHT, which is what keeps your hair from falling out.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:03 Hm.

Joe Rogan 5:04 And for some people it did just... It kills their testosterone. They get, like, super depressed.

Narrator 5:08 You know, I started losing my hair when I was 18. I just said, "Fuck it." I'm just bald, sad.

Joe Rogan 5:12 (sighs) I love not having to talk to a barber.

Narrator 5:15 That's the best. You shave it with your big razor.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Everyone just fucking...

Narrator 5:17 Beautiful.

Joe Rogan 5:18 ... gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang.

Narrator 5:19 Well, how do you find out how much that your barber doesn't know you, but is a big fan of Ralph Barbosa?

Joe Rogan 5:23 Uh...

Big Jay Oakerson 5:24 You guys aren't gonna find that out if you don't get your hair cut at a barber.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Is that what you get from your barber? "I don't know you, but Ralph-

Big Jay Oakerson 5:28 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:28 ... Barbosa is a fucking man, dog."

Big Jay Oakerson 5:30 Do you know Ralph Barbosa?

Joe Rogan 5:31 (laughs)

Narrator 5:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 5:31 Oh, Kenny. His name's Kenny. He's a nice enough guy.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Ralph Barbosa's slick. He's, like, a slick comedian. Like, his punchlines are, like, smooth, you know?

Big Jay Oakerson 5:40 He's great. Very funny, man. I did Fully Loaded with him.

Joe Rogan 5:43 Yeah, he's got a great... He's like, he makes... He's got a fun, like, just his approach.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:46 Delivery.

Joe Rogan 5:46 I like it. It's very slick.

Narrator 5:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:49 You know?

Big Jay Oakerson 5:49 And he's sitting in the elevator down. I mean, he's t- going, taking guys on tour that I've never heard of, but I think have been around for a long time.

Joe Rogan 5:56 That's great.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:56 It's a cool move.

Joe Rogan 5:56 That's great. Yeah, very good dude. He hung out with us at the Mothership one night. Fun guy.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:02 Yeah, he got popular-

Joe Rogan 6:03 Funny as shit, man.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:03 ... for, uh-... he, like... Someone said on, like, George Lopez's show or something, they were like, "This guy sucks."

Joe Rogan 6:09 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:09 Well, no. George, George Lopez was like, "I don't get it. He's just whatever." And then, I think he made fun of him back.

Joe Rogan 6:13 Well, someone was... I think someone was talking well about him-

Big Jay Oakerson 6:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:15 ... and then George Lopez was very dismissive of him, and I think that's what happened.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:20 And someone asked-

Joe Rogan 6:21 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:21 ... around about on some... on something, and his response, I think, is what made it, like, very popular. I think he was just saying, 'cause he... 'cause, uh... he doesn't like me 'cause I'm not one of his... not one of his comics. He goes, like, "Ole!" (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 6:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:30 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 6:31 And I think that just... You know, you show any picture of George Lopez bugging his eyes out and make that hilarious.

Luis J. Gomez 6:36 Ah.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:36 That's hilarious.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:38 (laughs) It's good... fucking good fire back.

Joe Rogan 6:41 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:42 Are you good at living in comedy beefs? I'm so terrible at it.

Joe Rogan 6:45 No, I don't like comedy beefs. I don't like-

Big Jay Oakerson 6:47 I fucking hate it.

Joe Rogan 6:47 I don't like any beefs.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:49 Lewis, you've been in a few where you've gone to bed on... I mean, I guess I have those same beefs too, but I don't engage as much with certain people.

Luis J. Gomez 6:54 No, I'm the loser. I just... I get on a, a flight and I'll be on Twitter for fucking hours, just tweeting at people for no reason at all.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:00 No, but I mean, like, particular, like, a, a person you could put a face to, like a comic. Like, I, I... Not that I haven't had a problem with somebody before. Um, but I mean, like... I don't know. It's... I have a hard time, like, sleeping on, like, "I'm gonna run into this person every night and we hate each other."

Luis J. Gomez 7:13 Yeah, it's been a while. I mean, I... I'm not... It's just not that serious. There's nobody in the world that I hate. Like, there's literally no... Even people that hate me, I'm like, "Ah, dude. We're cool. I don't really give a shit."

Big Jay Oakerson 7:22 The guy that murdered your father?

Luis J. Gomez 7:23 Uh, dude, I tried to get him on my podcast.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:25 It's true.

Joe Rogan 7:25 Oh, my God.

Luis J. Gomez 7:26 I... So the guy... Uh, my father was stabbed to death when I was four years old, and then-

Big Jay Oakerson 7:30 (gasps) Lucky.

Luis J. Gomez 7:30 ... years later, after I got out of prison, I was like, "Let me try to get this guy on my podcast and interview him."

Joe Rogan 7:34 Wow.

Luis J. Gomez 7:34 How interesting would that be? Um, but he was already dead.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:38 Dude, that would've been insane.

Luis J. Gomez 7:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:40 That would've been insane.

Luis J. Gomez 7:40 'Cause I didn't... I wasn't, like... 'Cause I was a kid, he was-

Big Jay Oakerson 7:42 You bring up why. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 7:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:44 Could you imagine, though, being, like, a fucking-

Luis J. Gomez 7:45 (laughs) You killed my father.

Joe Rogan 7:47 ... 75-year-old man, like, showing up at this young guy's house, who you stabbed, his dad, and you're gonna be alone together? That guy's gonna kill you.

Luis J. Gomez 7:54 Yeah, maybe. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:55 That's what I would think. If I was an old man, I couldn't defend myself.

Luis J. Gomez 7:57 I don't think he was that old. He was 17 when he killed my father.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Oh, wow.

Luis J. Gomez 8:00 So he was only 13 years older than me.

Joe Rogan 8:03 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 8:03 So, he'd be like 60 now, I guess.

Joe Rogan 8:04 Mm.

Luis J. Gomez 8:05 Yeah, but this is, like, a decade ago that I was gonna do it, so.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:08 That guy's a convicted murderer, dude. He could fuck your shit up.

Luis J. Gomez 8:10 Yeah, but he was a kid, and my father beat him up. My father was a bully. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:14 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:14 What if he's Conor McGregor? He goes, "Well, Lewis, I'd like to say I apologize to absolutely fucking nobody at all."

Luis J. Gomez 8:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:21 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 8:22 Yeah. Um, but I thought that would've been an interesting conversation, and I wasn't, like, going into it being like, "Oh, you killed my father. I'm angry." I got a great life. If my father lived, I would be fucking... I'd probably live in Patterson, New Jersey still. I'd have a shit life. My father was a fucking-

Big Jay Oakerson 8:35 That's what we always tell ourselves.

Luis J. Gomez 8:36 ... a drug dealer and a pimp, if he... if he was alive.

Joe Rogan 8:39 Well, m- yeah. It worked out well.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:41 Yeah, but that's always... I, I just think if my dad stuck around, maybe I wouldn't have the personality I have and I wouldn't be where I'm at. So? Maybe it would be way better. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 8:49 No.

Joe Rogan 8:49 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 8:49 Well, I wouldn't have my kid, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 8:49 Maybe I'd be a head of state or something.

Joe Rogan 8:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 8:51 Like, if that one sperm had hit that one egg, I wouldn't have my son right now if my father sh- was alive.

Joe Rogan 8:56 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 8:56 If anything happened differently.

Joe Rogan 8:57 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:58 All right, Ashton Kutcher.

Joe Rogan 8:59 That's the... Imagine-

Luis J. Gomez 9:00 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 9:00 Butterfly effect over here. Guy watches one movie, all of a sudden he's got it figured out.

Joe Rogan 9:04 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 9:04 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 9:04 "Hey, do you guys ever think maybe we're just plugged into a pod somewhere?"

Luis J. Gomez 9:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:08 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 9:08 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 9:08 "And this is all nothing? I'm gonna see if I can fly real quick." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:11 (laughs) I think there's something to that we're plugged into something. It seems more like it every day. It seems like this is, like, an advanced stage of the video game right now, where, like, they're lighting cop cars on fire in LA and throwing bricks off of overpasses.

Luis J. Gomez 9:24 Dude, it does seem fun to order a Waymo and light it on fire.

Joe Rogan 9:27 It's-

Luis J. Gomez 9:27 Nobody gets hurt. It's just hilarious.

Joe Rogan 9:29 And I think it's directionally correct.

Luis J. Gomez 9:31 Yes. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 9:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:32 You know, like, you should probably start killing robots. Like-

Luis J. Gomez 9:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:34 ... you guys are... You're on the right course, you know.

Luis J. Gomez 9:36 They're, they're early on the, the war of the machines. We're just fucking-

Big Jay Oakerson 9:39 We're trying to stop the Terminator.

Luis J. Gomez 9:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:41 Bro, these are all gonna be o- owned by corporations and it's gonna be the only way you're allowed to get around 'cause they're the safest. They're gonna take away everybody's driver's license. It's gonna get weird as fuck.

Luis J. Gomez 9:52 Oh, yeah. But it's gonna probably be better.

Joe Rogan 9:53 It's gonna get weird as fuck.

Luis J. Gomez 9:53 The cars are gonna go 200 miles an hour, probably. Traffic will be eliminated.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Dude, I think they're gonna be more of these fucking things-

Luis J. Gomez 9:58 I've heard-

Joe Rogan 9:59 ... that we just saw in LA. That's what I think.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:01 I've heard that, uh, teenagers are going back to smoking regular cigarettes now and getting away from vapes. We might move back analog a little bit.

Joe Rogan 10:08 Ooh.

Luis J. Gomez 10:08 Hmm, interesting.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:08 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 10:09 Bring back manual cars.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:10 I wonder if analog makes some sort... Like, where it slows down because people want it to slow down a little bit.

Joe Rogan 10:17 Yeah, but it's too late. They, they do want it to slow down. Yeah. We're not-

Big Jay Oakerson 10:20 I mean, the electric car didn't really take off the way they'd hoped.

Joe Rogan 10:22 Yeah. The problem-

Big Jay Oakerson 10:23 No body bought into that.

Joe Rogan 10:23 ... with electric cars is the charging times, too much. It's too much. If you're a young single woman and you have to charge your car and you have to just sit there for a fucking hour.

Luis J. Gomez 10:32 I feel... I also feel that way, so I feel like you just called me-

Big Jay Oakerson 10:34 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 10:34 ... a young single woman. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:35 Well, you're, you're a man. Any human.

Luis J. Gomez 10:36 I was gonna rent a, uh-

Joe Rogan 10:37 Any human's vulnerable. But a, uh... like, a woman by herself is particularly vulnerable, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:42 Like, if you're a hot girl and you're sitting in your car- Weak, stupid.

Luis J. Gomez 10:45 How many fucking creeps that know that you have to be there for an hour... How many creeps can bother you? That's a great idea, Joe.

Joe Rogan 10:51 There you go.

Luis J. Gomez 10:52 Let's find a hot, get more hot girls.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:53 You know what? I'm gonna start getting girls at the fucking charging stations.

Luis J. Gomez 10:55 I almost went to the Tesla one. You-

Joe Rogan 10:56 Just go to Starbucks, get a large order, and just walk down the aisle of Teslas waiting to find a hot one.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:01 Looking... Yeah, dude. You know.

Joe Rogan 11:03 Have you ever, have you ever driven a Tesla?

Big Jay Oakerson 11:04 A, a Tesla dock slut?

Luis J. Gomez 11:05 Have y- have you ever driven one?

Big Jay Oakerson 11:06 Nah, dude. From the '70s. I don't trust that electric shit.

Luis J. Gomez 11:09 I tried it. I was gonna rent one once. And I... They gave me the keys.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:11 What, like little Duval?

Luis J. Gomez 11:11 And I was like... I was like, "This is gonna be fun." And then I remembered you have to charge it. I was like, "I cannot drive to fucking Rhode Island right now." I was like, "I'm gonna have-

Joe Rogan 11:17 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 11:17 ... to stop halfway there and charge the car for a while."

Big Jay Oakerson 11:19 I don't think it's... I think you can get... I think you can get there. It's just then you have to charge it definitely to get back.

Luis J. Gomez 11:22 No, I don't think... Well, we wouldn't have made it.

Joe Rogan 11:24 No, it's like, the real mileage is different than the mileage it says. So, it really should say, like, percentage of battery, but they want you to, like, estimate the mileage. But it's all dependent upon how fast you're going. Like, if you're accelerating a lot, if you're moving around, if you stop and go traffic. Like, who knows how... what the real mileage is. If you're on... Like, say if you get stuck in a, a tr- crazy traffic jam for, like, four hours. Like, some explosion somewhere, like, and you, you supposedly have 200 miles on your car. Is that good for four hours of you sitting there too? With the radio on? With the air conditioning on? Like, when does it... 'Cause if, and if it's cold-

Big Jay Oakerson 11:59 So, are we... We're team C- we're team Trump then, not Elon? Fuck Elon Musk.

Luis J. Gomez 12:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:03 If it's cold-

Big Jay Oakerson 12:03 Fuck your stupid car.

Joe Rogan 12:04 If it's cold, they die quick.... quicker. Yeah, that happened in Chicago. Remember when they had that fucking big thing-

Luis J. Gomez 12:09 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:09 ... where the highway got closed down? And people in Teslas were fucked, man, 'cause they just stopped working.

Luis J. Gomez 12:14 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:14 Also, if you blow a tire, like, Tesla has to come fix that.

Joe Rogan 12:18 Really?

Big Jay Oakerson 12:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:19 Why is that?

Big Jay Oakerson 12:19 I don't know. But, like, they have to come handle it.

Joe Rogan 12:22 The function of Teslas though is amazing. Dude, they're amazing. They, they fucking drive themselves. You press the... You just like, "Where I wanna go? Do, do, do."

Luis J. Gomez 12:31 You trust that?

Joe Rogan 12:32 100%. And I go, "Do, do," and it just takes you wherever you want it to go.

Luis J. Gomez 12:36 (laughs) You just put it to sleep fast?

Joe Rogan 12:36 It changes lanes. Bro, it's nuts.

Luis J. Gomez 12:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:38 You could put... You could put on, like, dark sunglasses at night and just, like-

Luis J. Gomez 12:43 No, dude.

Joe Rogan 12:43 ... have your hands on the wheel. It's that good.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:45 I'd be like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no."

Luis J. Gomez 12:46 No. Don't do... I would... I don't do it.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:48 I'd be doing it for the entire time.

Joe Rogan 12:48 I don't do it, but I have done it where... But I keep my hand near the wheel just to see what it can do. It does everything.

Luis J. Gomez 12:53 Yeah. No, that's much better. I did... I get, like, road paralysis where, like, if I'm, like, driving for more than an hour and I'm looking at the lines... Not paralysis.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 13:00 Um, hypno... The, what do they call it? Like road hypnosis. So I get hypnotized-

Joe Rogan 13:05 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 13:05 ... by the lines and I start to-

Joe Rogan 13:05 You start falling asleep?

Luis J. Gomez 13:06 I start falling asleep. If I have to drive for more than an hour or two at night... (laughs) That's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 13:10 (laughs) You know how to fix that? Do you know how to fix that? It's real easy.

Luis J. Gomez 13:13 Uh, cocaine.

Joe Rogan 13:14 No, no, no. Um... (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:15 No, that's not... Co- cocaine won't work for that.

Joe Rogan 13:17 That'll probably wo- ... That'll work too, you're right. But you have to keep doing it over and over again. Um, get some ice and, um, uh, just a washcloth. A washcloth with... A wet washcloth with ice in it, and just rub your face.

Luis J. Gomez 13:27 Rub your face with it.

Joe Rogan 13:28 You'll wake right up.

Luis J. Gomez 13:29 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:29 You'll wake right up. And it lasts for like five minutes.

Luis J. Gomez 13:31 That wet... To, to... To waste-

Big Jay Oakerson 13:32 That washcloth you keep in your car-

Luis J. Gomez 13:33 No, what, what they call in a...

Big Jay Oakerson 13:34 That'd be great. Joe's gonna love that.

Luis J. Gomez 13:35 ... the, uh, the smelling salts you have in the club.

Joe Rogan 13:36 Oh, those will do it.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:37 Those will do it.

Luis J. Gomez 13:38 I did... I did a terrible prank.

Joe Rogan 13:39 But they might fuck you up. Like, you might change lanes.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:41 You maybe shouldn't tell this. It might be illegal what you've done.

Luis J. Gomez 13:43 No, it's not illegal. (laughs) It's definitely... This is a... I will say it's a bad prank to do on a girl. If this was a dude-

Big Jay Oakerson 13:48 To do to a-... This is a crazy dangerous prank.

Luis J. Gomez 13:50 If this was a dude, everyone would've been like, "Dude, great prank." But because I did it to a girl, it was a little bit (laughs) fucked up. So we were at the Mothership last time we were doing our podcast and, um, our producer, Alex, is a girl. And, uh, she's a big pothead, huge pothead, like real deal. So as, as podcast producers are.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:07 Also a mother and a wonderful producer.

Luis J. Gomez 14:09 And a mother, yes. Um, better producer than mother. No, she's great. So I pull... I had the smelling salts. And I... I was like, "Oh, these are fucking strong." They're really particularly strong smelling salts. So then I go, "Alex," I was like, "This weed is fucking great. Give it a whiff." (laughs) Then I gave her the smelling salt (laughs) container. She put her nose in it.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:26 No.

Luis J. Gomez 14:26 And, dude, she sniffed so hard. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:28 Oh, no.

Luis J. Gomez 14:28 You know how potheads wanna smell weed. She... I mean she cried.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:32 She cried. It was a 30-minute problem.

Luis J. Gomez 14:33 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:35 She said the word why a lot. It was like when Nancy... Remember Nancy Kerrigan got-

Luis J. Gomez 14:38 Why? (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:38 ... slugged out by the... But she's like, "Why?"

Luis J. Gomez 14:41 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:41 "I, I sweat blood for you. I flew here for, to help you produce a show."

Luis J. Gomez 14:45 Oh, yeah. I felt so bad.

Joe Rogan 14:47 You should not do that.

Luis J. Gomez 14:48 It was ter-... It was a b-... I, I admit now it was a bad prank.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:51 Hey.

Luis J. Gomez 14:51 But if it was a dude-

Big Jay Oakerson 14:52 That's big of you.

Luis J. Gomez 14:53 If that was a dude, is it not just undeniably hilarious?

Big Jay Oakerson 14:55 Still pretty brutal.

Joe Rogan 14:56 Yeah. If it's a guy, it's funny.

Luis J. Gomez 14:58 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:58 Funnier. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:00 Yeah. It's funny.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:02 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 15:02 It's weird.

Luis J. Gomez 15:03 It wasn't not funny.

Joe Rogan 15:04 If you do it to a guy, it's funny. Depend on the guy, you know. Like if you, you know... If you did it to Dave Atell, it'd be mean.

Luis J. Gomez 15:10 No, it'd be fun-... You do it to Kurt Metzger, he just starts punching walls. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 15:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:14 He starts rattling off conspiracy theories.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:16 Pretty girls being embarrassed though is funny as shit.

Luis J. Gomez 15:18 Oh, it's hilarious.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:19 It is the most evening factor ever. I did a, uh... When I was on tour with the bands years ago, uh, Korn did... Uh, Jagermeister music tour, they always had the Jager girls.

Joe Rogan 15:28 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:28 Would hang out. And I was on the Jagermeister production bus on this tour. So the girls would all come on there. They would come and hang out and drink for free on the bus. And, you know, tour buses, you're not allowed to shit on a tour bus. And only one of the Jager girls asked if she could use the bathroom. It was just in the time we were there. And she went, "Gorgeous, girl." And she came back out and she was sitting down and then the-

Luis J. Gomez 15:49 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 15:49 ... driver comes to start getting the bus (laughs) ready to leave. And just, you know, a toothless fucking road dog just comes in the bus and he go, "Somebody took a shit." (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 15:58 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 15:58 And everybody knew it was this hot chick in fishnets.

Joe Rogan 16:02 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:03 And I mean, just to think, it was like... She was so beautiful that me...

Joe Rogan 16:06 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:06 Probably at my heaviest in my life, I was like, "I probably could get her now."

Luis J. Gomez 16:09 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 16:10 "She's the shit girl. No one's seeking her out and I'll still do it."

Joe Rogan 16:13 That's hilarious. That's hilarious

Big Jay Oakerson 16:14 You can't clean up that good in a fucking... In a tour bus bathroom.

Luis J. Gomez 16:17 So it's such a function that everybody has, but for some reason, I never wanna hear about a woman shitting, ever.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:24 Now, what about the, the MTV girl?

Joe Rogan 16:25 Why... Why don't they develop a toilet that you can shit on on a bus? Is that, uh, beyond our science?

Big Jay Oakerson 16:31 I don't know why it can't be... I'm sure there's something that can be done.

Joe Rogan 16:34 It seems like it should be done. I think they're just being lazy. "No shitting on the tour bus."

Luis J. Gomez 16:38 But if you have to take a shit-

Big Jay Oakerson 16:40 But if you see-

Joe Rogan 16:40 That's crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 16:41 ... because they have to empty it out, that's the problem. So they... Uh, they... You can. You can shit on the tour bus, but the person that has to clean the toilet has to now empty out your shit amongst the piss.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:50 Like manually with, like, a hose and shit.

Joe Rogan 16:52 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:52 That's what's crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 16:53 It's some dude's job that he has to like deal with.

Joe Rogan 16:55 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:56 There should be somewhere you could pull over and those rest stops have like a thing that sucks your shit out.

Luis J. Gomez 17:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:02 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:02 Like out of the tank and-

Joe Rogan 17:03 Yeah. That'd be very, uh, profitable for them. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 17:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:07 What are they gonna do? They'd have to store your... No, you figure it out.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:10 That's the last thing you wanna do is be in shit storage.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:12 Tru- truck stop, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:13 Truck stop shit storage.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:14 Because, "They're sucking my shit out outside. I'm in here buying jerky."

Joe Rogan 17:17 No.

Narrator 17:18 ... the Dave Matthews Band (clears throat) -

Joe Rogan 17:20 Oh, that's right.

Narrator 17:20 ... on the bus incident in Chicago.

Joe Rogan 17:22 That's right.

Narrator 17:22 The bus driver let that stuff out over the water and a boat went underneath it.

Joe Rogan 17:28 And it splattered the boat with doo-doo from Dave Matthews Band.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:31 Didn't you see a thing recently where they go... They show like a cruise ship or something just letting shit out of the front?

Narrator 17:36 Carried it.

Joe Rogan 17:36 Uh, I don't think that's real.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:38 What's going-

Joe Rogan 17:38 I think... I thought that was real too. I think that's like dredging.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:42 I'll be suckered in a heartbeat by an AI thing.

Luis J. Gomez 17:45 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:45 Do you know that super hot Down syndrome girl is i- isn't real?

Luis J. Gomez 17:48 Damn.

Joe Rogan 17:48 Uh...

Big Jay Oakerson 17:49 That OnlyFans A- AI Down syndrome girl?

Luis J. Gomez 17:51 Oh, don't I know it.

Joe Rogan 17:52 Of course.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:52 God dammit.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Bro, nothing's real anymore. How many videos have you seen? Like, I s- I saw a thing about Trump saying that they were gonna genetically engineer raptors and have the fucking troops ride them to protect the border.

Luis J. Gomez 18:02 That's not real?

Joe Rogan 18:03 But it's like you see them, that, you know, they brought, brought back the dire wolf and-

Big Jay Oakerson 18:07 Could it be done? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:09 It's like... It's so hard to tell now.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:11 Dude, weaponizing dinosaurs would be the funniest thing in the world.

Joe Rogan 18:14 Oh, is that fake?

Narrator 18:15 Well, all ... There's like ... It's like a quick series of four or five little fake ones.

Luis J. Gomez 18:18 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 18:18 But they look, they look real. And then they just go like, "This isn't real by the way."

18:24 I from the Cedar Grove flood disaster. Just kidding, I'm not real.

Joe Rogan 18:30 (laughs)

Narrator 18:30 This is Dana Brooks reporting live from Ocean View Beach. Just kidding, I'm not real.

Luis J. Gomez 18:38 (laughs)

Narrator 18:38 This is Charlotte Reid reporting live from Clearwater Beach, where an unidentified ... Just kidding, I'm not real. Angela Carter-

Joe Rogan 18:47 What the fuck? (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 18:47 Is she implying the Kraken is real?

Narrator 18:48 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 18:49 The Kraken's real, I'm fake. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 18:52 (laughs)

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Luis J. Gomez 20:06 Yeah, it is crazy. What ... Uh, I mean, the amount of like deepfakes and-

Big Jay Oakerson 20:10 I'm starting to think you and Theo Von aren't two babies talking to each other.

Narrator 20:12 Ah.

Luis J. Gomez 20:12 I watch ads with you all the time. Companies just use your voice in AI now.

Narrator 20:16 Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 20:16 I sent you one a- at one point-

Narrator 20:17 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 20:17 ... where it's just like ... I was like, "I know this is not Joe glazing this fucking (laughs) weird company-"

Narrator 20:23 It's true.

Luis J. Gomez 20:24 "... for, you know, a 10-minute read." I was like, "They really got him to do this, huh?"

Narrator 20:27 So strange.

Luis J. Gomez 20:28 Yeah. Do you try to put a stop to that or you just say, "Fuck it?"

Narrator 20:30 Yeah, yeah, you try but it's like- The guy who made that set took 25 minutes.

Luis J. Gomez 20:33 Wow. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 20:34 I told a, uh ... I told a-

Luis J. Gomez 20:36 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 20:36 I told a racist street joke on Legion of Skanks 10 years ago. And me saying the N-word has been used in so many memes and little videos.

Luis J. Gomez 20:44 But it's so funny 'cause Black people react to it and they ... It's such a funny street joke that they can't deny it. It's like an undeniably funny thing.

Big Jay Oakerson 20:50 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 20:50 So it's always Black people trying to not laugh. And they say it and then like, "Pfft, that's pretty good."

Narrator 20:54 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 20:55 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 20:55 "That's pretty funny."

Big Jay Oakerson 20:55 Pretty great street joke.

Luis J. Gomez 20:58 (Laughs) Oh, shit.

Narrator 20:59 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Some words are coming back. That one's not one of them.

Luis J. Gomez 21:02 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:03 Bro, these ice raids are fucking nuts, man. Watching this, this protest on television, it's like ...

Big Jay Oakerson 21:10 You think the raids are nuts or the prote- the, the, the-

Joe Rogan 21:12 All of it's nuts.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:12 The protests nuts, the raids are-

Luis J. Gomez 21:12 I think both sides are taking it a little too hard.

Narrator 21:15 Well ...

Big Jay Oakerson 21:18 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 21:18 I don't think ... If they ... The Trump administration, if they're running and they said, "We're gonna go to Home Depot and we're gonna arrest all the people at Home Depot. We're gonna go to construction sites and we're gonna just like tackle people at constructions." I don't think anybody would have signed up for that. They said, "We're gonna get rid of the criminals and the gang members first." Right? And now we're, we're seeing like Home Depots get raided.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Like that's crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 21:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:42 And then you've got this, uh, big protest that's scheduled for the 14th that's literally funded by the lady who owns Walmart.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:50 The protest, uh-

Joe Rogan 21:51 The protest, it's like no kings. It's like a no kings protest that's happening all across the country.

Luis J. Gomez 21:58 Yeah, like criminals and-

Joe Rogan 21:58 I think a bunch of different locations.

Luis J. Gomez 21:59 ... and rapists and, you know, obviously. But then they go to like a college campus and there's some kid about to graduate, they're like, "No, you're out." (laughs) It's fucked up.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:06 Rapists, criminals, slow delivery people.

Luis J. Gomez 22:09 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 22:09 Um, ones that can't dance or play the flamenco guitar. (laughs) I've got a list. Um, I think it's fucking crazy how violent it's gotten. I don't ... I just-

Joe Rogan 22:20 But they're throwing bricks over overpasses.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:23 That's what I mean.

Narrator 22:23 Bananas.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:24 But again, but again, I think all these things, 90% of the people that are there are just like, "Let's rage, motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 22:29 (laughs) Oh, 100%. No, also, there's people saying they're being paid to protest.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:34 I saw that in New York with Black Lives Matter.

Luis J. Gomez 22:34 Yeah, they're saying they're, uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 22:35 That's always the bricks. The piles of bricks are showing up, like just construction sites around the city.

Luis J. Gomez 22:39 No, no, no, no, that was weird, dude. I was in the city during that time.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:42 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 22:42 You were too, during the pandemic. No, those bricks were just fucking out there.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:45 I lived on a police block. I was barricaded in with them.

Luis J. Gomez 22:48 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 22:48 And I felt bad for the Black cops.

Luis J. Gomez 22:49 (laughs) No wonder there was no bricks ...

Big Jay Oakerson 22:51 The Black, the Black people be yelling at the Black cops and the Black cops be like, "Sorry, man."

Luis J. Gomez 22:55 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 22:55 And I'd have my hand on his shoulder like, "You're gonna be all right."

Luis J. Gomez 22:57 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 22:57 "Shoot that motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 22:58 Did you see the video of the cops getting the rocks thrown at them from the overpass?

Big Jay Oakerson 23:01 Oh, yeah. It's crazy. They have to hide under the overpass.

Joe Rogan 23:03 They're throwing them at the cops. I mean, you, you, you're 100% possibly killing somebody.

Luis J. Gomez 23:09 Yeah, it's attempted murder.

Joe Rogan 23:10 You, you could ... With a ... You hit a fucking cinder block brick onto someone's head from an overpass, they're probably dead. It's a good chance.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:17 100%.

Joe Rogan 23:18 A good fucking chance, man.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:19 I mean, if Lord of the Flies taught us anything, that's how Piggy died.

Narrator 23:22 But this, the thing is, just kinda-

Big Jay Oakerson 23:22 That's who I relate it to.

Joe Rogan 23:23 This kind of shit can escalate.

Luis J. Gomez 23:26 I'm thinking of The Good Son where they push the dummy off the overpass.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:29 Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 23:30 Remember?

Big Jay Oakerson 23:30 Make them think they killed somebody. It's fucking ... It's pretty wild what's going on. But I mean, I don't know, like ... I said everybody running out of like Louis Vuitton with a bunch of like shirts and shit. It's really-

Joe Rogan 23:40 You seeing that?

Big Jay Oakerson 23:40 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:41 Oh, that's happening too?

Big Jay Oakerson 23:42 Yeah, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 23:42 Oh, they're looting, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Oh, they're looting. I didn't know they were looting too.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:45 Hardcore. And I said it's funny-

Luis J. Gomez 23:46 Which if I was a 19-year-old kid, I would be out there looting, unquestionably.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Well, it's ... As soon as lawlessness happens, people take advantage. It's always, that's always gonna be the case, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 23:55 That's why I think the whole ... It is funny. Like these cops are just standing there and like just under non-stop graffiti. It's like, "Murder all cops."

Luis J. Gomez 24:01 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 24:01 They're just like sitting there. It's like ... And the people are-... try- uh, does somebody on the- some people try to talk reason to them, to the cops. They're like, "Why don't you do the right thing and not shoot me with a rubber bullet?" (laughs) And he's like ...

Luis J. Gomez 24:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:13 Well, you know what the problem is. The problem is there's cops that just shoot people with rubber bullets for no reason.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:18 Did you see that lady-

Big Jay Oakerson 24:19 That's what I do.

Joe Rogan 24:19 ... that Australian reporter-

Big Jay Oakerson 24:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:21 ... that got shot? Did you see that video?

Luis J. Gomez 24:22 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:22 It's pretty hilarious.

Joe Rogan 24:23 It's nuts.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:24 'Cause you see the guy do it. You see the cop-

Luis J. Gomez 24:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:27 ... just look at her while she's talking, she's clearly not a criminal, she's just-

Big Jay Oakerson 24:30 Oh, that's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 24:30 ... reporting the news.

Luis J. Gomez 24:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:31 And he fucking shoots her in the leg with a rubber bullet.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:33 It's good stuff.

Luis J. Gomez 24:33 The leg's hilarious.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:35 It's really good stuff.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Well, let's watch this.

Luis J. Gomez 24:36 Bro, that's funnier than making my producer-

Big Jay Oakerson 24:38 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 24:38 ... smell smelling salts.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:39 Dude, it's a real dance, bitch moment. Dance, bitch.

Luis J. Gomez 24:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:42 It's crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:43 It... I mean, I can't-

Luis J. Gomez 24:44 I mean...

Joe Rogan 24:44 I can't believe that he would do this.

Luis J. Gomez 24:47 This is the jig?

Joe Rogan 24:48 Go full screen, please.

Narrator 24:50 Situation has now rapidly-

Joe Rogan 24:51 Watch this. This is nuts.

Narrator 24:53 ... deteriorated. The LAPD moving in on horseback, firing rubber bullets at protestors, moving them on through the heart of LA.

Luis J. Gomez 25:00 She's got the shitty Australian accent, though.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Watch this.

Narrator 25:05 (gunshot) Whoa.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:05 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 25:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:05 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 25:08 Dance, bitch.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Bro, they just shot a reporter. Like, look, that guy just points and says-

Big Jay Oakerson 25:15 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 25:15 ..."Fuck this lady."

Big Jay Oakerson 25:16 It's gonna be good promotional for her 2,000-person gangbang she's doing on OnlyFans this summer.

Luis J. Gomez 25:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:22 I mean, what is that? Do you wanna know why people get angry at cops? It's shit like that.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:28 I would say you shoot-

Joe Rogan 25:28 That's how-

Big Jay Oakerson 25:28 ... a white woman every couple minutes, and everyone starts going like, "Oh, they're shooting everybody."

Luis J. Gomez 25:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Is that a thing where you're kicking everybody out of the street and the press thinks they don't have to listen?

Big Jay Oakerson 25:38 For sure.

Joe Rogan 25:38 And so you don't wanna list- y- you're tired of this shit and you decide to shoot her in the leg, which is fucking insane. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 25:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:44 That's so insane. You don't, you don't yell, "Lady, get out of the fucking street."

Big Jay Oakerson 25:49 Missouri shooter?

Narrator 25:50 There's one happened too. After this minute goes down, this guy ends up shooting him at close range with a-

Joe Rogan 25:54 What is this, about-

Narrator 25:55 ... 40 millimeter.

25:57 Hey, yeah, I'm not going anywhere. What's your badge number? That's okay. I'm gonna pop you right now 'cause you're taking up my focus. You-

Big Jay Oakerson 26:05 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 26:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:05 Whoa. "I'm gonna pop you right now 'cause you're taking up my focus."

Luis J. Gomez 26:09 Look, it's not okay. It's not okay. But-

Joe Rogan 26:11 Right?

Luis J. Gomez 26:11 ... I will say, I grew up at a time where if you talk shit to cops, there's... nobody had camera phones, nobody had anything, a cop would just fuck you up.

Joe Rogan 26:17 Well-

Luis J. Gomez 26:18 And there's something hilarious about that cop just shooting that guy (laughs) in the dick.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:21 There's a thing about them rubber bullets. Like, you're shooting somebody, but you're not shooting them.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:26 You're kind of half-shooting them.

Luis J. Gomez 26:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:27 Right? But it's... you are... like, "Fuck." y- you want, you wanna do is shoot him.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:31 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 26:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:31 All right? And you're not allowed to, it's against the law, and it's not right, so you shoot him with a rubber bullet.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:36 (laughs) 'Cause, and it's not right.

Joe Rogan 26:37 But you can shoot people when you really shouldn't be shooting them with a rubber bullet.

Luis J. Gomez 26:40 I feel like getting shot in the dick with a rubber bullet could have irreparable damages.

Joe Rogan 26:44 100%.

Luis J. Gomez 26:45 I mean-

Narrator 26:45 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:45 People have lost eyeballs, bro.

Narrator 26:47 Like, in 2020 this guy had to have portions of his genitals re-attached.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:49 I do have a hard time feeling...

Joe Rogan 26:51 What? Say what? Say that again.

Narrator 26:53 Read, it says there...

Joe Rogan 26:54 "He later had to have surgery to re-attach portions of his genitalia." Portions? What, are they serving it? On a platter?

Luis J. Gomez 26:59 How big is this guy's dick?

Joe Rogan 27:01 What kind of a dick does this guy have? Portions.

Narrator 27:02 Portions.

Luis J. Gomez 27:02 I wish, I wish my dick could be cut up into portions. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:05 That's not weird is that, like-

Big Jay Oakerson 27:06 He just knocked out the middle.

Luis J. Gomez 27:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:07 Is it... which one you having for breakfast?

Big Jay Oakerson 27:09 Oh, man, if he break, if he broke the middle off, I'd be like, "Can you give me a longer middle?"

Joe Rogan 27:12 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 27:13 Yeah. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 27:13 "Can you put a longer middle back on?"

Joe Rogan 27:15 Like, an extension?

Big Jay Oakerson 27:16 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 27:17 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 27:17 I don't care if it's a different color, just try to match it as best you can.

Joe Rogan 27:19 All this gene editing, how far away are we from big dicks?

Big Jay Oakerson 27:23 Oh, you think it'd be the first thing, these little Asians-

Joe Rogan 27:24 I would think they'd have been working that out.

Big Jay Oakerson 27:26 It de-... Depends who comes up with the science. If the Asians come up with the science, that's first thing.

Joe Rogan 27:29 Well, they have the science with genetic engineering now, right?

Luis J. Gomez 27:32 Oh, so you're saying wh- before your baby's inborn you'd be like, "Hey, also, I want my son-"

Big Jay Oakerson 27:35 Big-

Luis J. Gomez 27:35 "... to have a huge fucking dick."

Joe Rogan 27:37 Big dick.

Luis J. Gomez 27:37 That's a weird conversation to have.

Big Jay Oakerson 27:38 I'm gonna go help ya, here you go, "I'm thinking monster cock." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:41 If you just let your kid have a regular dick and all his friends have giant dicks, that'd be a real problem.

Big Jay Oakerson 27:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:46 Your kid'd be so upset.

Luis J. Gomez 27:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:47 You mean, "You could've given me a giant dick as well, Dad?"

Big Jay Oakerson 27:50 No, I wanted people to like you for you.

Joe Rogan 27:51 I had... "I needed money for bowling."

Big Jay Oakerson 27:53 Oh, great, I'll be upstairs jerking off with three fingers-

Joe Rogan 27:55 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 27:55 ... if anyone needs... alone, with no friends.

Luis J. Gomez 27:57 I just remember being, like, 12, being like, "When is it gonna grow?" (laughs) Like, "When's it gonna get big?" And it just never really did.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:04 You just kept having that conversation with yourself?

Luis J. Gomez 28:06 Yeah. Up until-

Big Jay Oakerson 28:07 Come on, bud.

Luis J. Gomez 28:07 ... up until I was a full-fledged adult, and going, "Like, this is-"

Big Jay Oakerson 28:09 Come on, bud, now's the time.

Joe Rogan 28:11 It's a sketch on Segura's new show. There's some sort of-

Luis J. Gomez 28:14 That's a funny show.

Joe Rogan 28:14 ... Johnny Dick medicate-

Big Jay Oakerson 28:16 Very funny, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Fucking funny show, man.

Luis J. Gomez 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 The Hit Man one was hilarious.

Luis J. Gomez 28:19 Yeah. They were... I thought the, uh, the video game where the, uh, (laughs) the E-... (laughs) you play with aliens raping humans.

Big Jay Oakerson 28:24 Fucks, Aliens Fuck Humans For.

Joe Rogan 28:26 I've seen that one, yeah. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 28:27 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 28:27 You said it wasn't, it wasn't about the guy and it was... so part two was called Evans Revenge.

Joe Rogan 28:31 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 28:31 Oh, Jamie, speaking of UFOs, did you see Lou Elizondo, these photos that are supposedly of a real alien?

Big Jay Oakerson 28:38 Oh, here we go.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Bro, it's so dumb. The photos look blurry. Of the photos of the dead alien, like, you can't even zoom in on that? You can't even fucking focus? Look at these... Yeah, that thing. Look at that. What is that? What's that? What is that?

Big Jay Oakerson 28:54 Dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:55 How about better pictures? This is crazy. These are the only pictures? Is this from the '40s? Like, what's this picture from? What is this?

Big Jay Oakerson 29:04 Oh, people want to believe.

Joe Rogan 29:05 Bro, so bad. Me too. I'm like, "Maybe, maybe the bottom ones."

Big Jay Oakerson 29:09 It was funny, somebody asked me, uh-

Joe Rogan 29:10 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 29:10 You know, um, Sean Donnelly and Dan St. Germain have a, a podcast now about, like-

Joe Rogan 29:16 And we need to check, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:16 ... alien encounters and all that kind of stuff, and they-

Joe Rogan 29:18 Oh, really?

Big Jay Oakerson 29:19 And they both really believe it, and they were like, "What would it take for you to believe, Jay?" I was like, "Irrefutable evidence?" (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 29:24 Yeah, "I have to shake hands with an alien."

Big Jay Oakerson 29:25 (laughs) The one thi-... the one thing I've never seen-

Joe Rogan 29:27 The-

Big Jay Oakerson 29:27 ... irrefutable evidence.

Joe Rogan 29:28 There's a lot of shenanigans going on, for sure.

Narrator 29:30 I wonder what it says on the s- on the back of one of those photos.

Joe Rogan 29:32 Alien... oh, it's, uh, 1993, "Alien hybrid child," uh, "born to a 15-year-old girl. Subject of ET genetic experiment. Under chin, neck, and upper torso view." Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:48 Yeah. Oka-... so that's under chin, and then what's the other sh- photo?

Narrator 29:54 It's the same... it's just the same... it's just one photo.

Joe Rogan 29:56 Wasn't there another one? It seemed like there was two photos.

Narrator 29:58 Oh, that's just what this... that's just with this particular one.

Joe Rogan 29:59 That... but... at the top... yeah, the one on the bottom. What's that one on the bottom? That one on the bottom seems a little, like-

Big Jay Oakerson 30:05 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 30:05 ... turned to the side, right? Is that the eyeball, supposedly?... what am I looking at?

Big Jay Oakerson 30:08 It's just one of those... What are those babies called that are born like that?

Luis J. Gomez 30:11 Oh, harlequin babies?

Big Jay Oakerson 30:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:13 It could be anything, man. I mean, it might not even be human. I mean, it might not even be-

Big Jay Oakerson 30:18 Probably not an alien.

Joe Rogan 30:18 ... pr- you know, who fucking knows?

Big Jay Oakerson 30:20 Do you think, I mean, like, someone like Donald Trump can hold any information, like he doesn't know about his daily-

Joe Rogan 30:25 I don't think they tell 'em.

Big Jay Oakerson 30:25 ... day? You don't think they tell 'em?

Joe Rogan 30:26 I don't think they tell 'em. I don't think he cares.

Big Jay Oakerson 30:27 But who can sit-

Joe Rogan 30:27 He's playing golf.

Big Jay Oakerson 30:28 But who can sit on that information if you know that? Wouldn't it be terrifying to, to s- you know, to ex- almost that, to play someone who knows about aliens, uh, existing, do you think also breaks off and plays golf and-

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yes.

Big Jay Oakerson 30:39 ... decides what they want to have for dinner tonight?

Joe Rogan 30:41 100%.

Big Jay Oakerson 30:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 30:44 It's like finding out vampires exist. It would change everything.

Joe Rogan 30:46 I think it's a fun way to have information that you don't give to the rest of the world. And if you're the head of a giant defense contracting agency that's been back engineering UFOs for the last 50 years, it'd be probably pretty cool to know some shit that other people don't know and not tell anybody and still go to brunch.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:04 But how are you not so consumed-

Joe Rogan 31:06 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 31:06 ... that you go-

Joe Rogan 31:06 'Cause here's thing about it-

Big Jay Oakerson 31:07 "Hey, you wanna start a new S- there's a new... You wanna start a new Netflix series tonight?" Like, it just seems like, uh, you'd be con-... It's the same why I don't believe people have, like, Speaking to the Dead powers or psychic powers.

Joe Rogan 31:16 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:16 I'm like, "You'd be..." You know what I mean? It's never like, "Oh, what is that? Tell your loved one that you miss them terribly? Uh, they miss you terribly." "Um, actually, you guys went to McDonald's? I'll treat myself to some McDo-" Like, how does your mind go anywhere else but, like, c- i- speak to the dead?

Joe Rogan 31:30 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:30 That would be consuming.

Luis J. Gomez 31:31 Yeah. I would never sleep. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:32 It's supernatural. All day, talking to somebody about the war of 1776.

Luis J. Gomez 31:36 Yeah, dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:36 You'd just go nuts. It's just not real.

Luis J. Gomez 31:38 There was that, uh, there was a video on-

Joe Rogan 31:39 Can you imagine, you could just tune in to any time-

Big Jay Oakerson 31:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:41 ... and talk to, like, some Civil War soldiers?

Big Jay Oakerson 31:43 You don't have a fa-... You don't go pick out a new pair of sneakers while that's going on. "I need new sneakers, I think."

Luis J. Gomez 31:47 Did you see a video where it was like somebody... Uh, it might not even... I don't know if it's real, but she was, like, a girl who has, like, paranoid schizophrenia, and she created, like, a video of what it's like to have schizophrenia.

Joe Rogan 31:57 Oh, my god.

Luis J. Gomez 31:57 And it's like these, like, floating, like, almost like-

Big Jay Oakerson 31:59 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 32:00 ... like, uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 32:00 Monsters sort of.

Luis J. Gomez 32:01 ... yeah, but they're, like, uh, translucent, and it's, like, just all these voices whispering. It's like, if that e- if that's how it really is to have schizophrenia, th- I mean, I couldn't make it a day.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Yeah. It, I think it varies, like, a lot of different neurological conditions, right? I think, you know, there's extreme versions of it, and some people have, like, mild schizophrenia, which is really weird.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:22 Well, I've m-... I've been impre-... Well, I, I have someone close to me in my life that's had mania, where they go, like, manic.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:28 And I've only seen it twice.

Luis J. Gomez 32:30 It's Hulk Hogan.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:31 It's Hulk Hogan.

Luis J. Gomez 32:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:32 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 32:32 I've only seen it twice then, but, I mean, I'm blown away by how much your brain can, like, change functionality-

Joe Rogan 32:37 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:37 ... in a day, in a, in a day's difference being like, everything's changed. You know, there's saying things that they've never said before-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:44 ... and believing it and being like... You know what I mean? It's very strange.

Joe Rogan 32:47 Well, if you think about your body-

Big Jay Oakerson 32:48 Scary.

Joe Rogan 32:49 Yeah, it is scary. But if you think about your body as a whole, things go wrong in your body, and, well, things go wrong in your brain too. It's like, you know, you can't blame someone for having liver cancer, right? Sometimes people just get weird diseases, you know? And the, the mental thing is a weird one, man, 'cause there, there's people that it's just like something isn't clicking. It's just not working right, you know? And they don't know what to do. And they're out there in the wor-... And they're trying a bunch of different medications on them, and they don't know what to do.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:16 So you can't be mad at Kurt Metzger. This is not his fault.

Joe Rogan 33:18 Can't be mad at Kurt Metzger.

Luis J. Gomez 33:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:20 I couldn't imagine. This is what I always try to ima-... I, I always try to think about when I'm talking to somebody. I can't imagine what it's like to be them. Like, what is it like? What's it like to be Metzger?

Big Jay Oakerson 33:29 Oh, my.

Joe Rogan 33:29 What is it like to be filled with conspiracies? Just over w-... And kn- know so much about, like, secret societies-

Luis J. Gomez 33:35 And nobody believes you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:37 Yeah, and nobody believes you, and, and-

Big Jay Oakerson 33:38 And everyone's kind of like, "Hey, man, we're just trying to smoke a joint in the green room."

Luis J. Gomez 33:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:41 Bro, he hovers. He hovers over you like a gargoyle.

Luis J. Gomez 33:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:44 He's a goon. He's this giant dude, and he hovers over you, "Oh, you didn't know? Oh, you didn't know?"

Big Jay Oakerson 33:49 I haven't seen him... Last time I was out in LA, when he, when he still lived in LA, he came over to the Airbnb I was at. And always with Kurt, I haven't seen Kurt always in, like, months and months between when I get to see him. He's one of my oldest, closest friends in comedy. He's my daughter's godfather. You know, I'm very close to him. And then I was thinking-

Luis J. Gomez 34:05 Which is a crazy choice.

Joe Rogan 34:06 Yeah, it's crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 34:07 That's on Jay.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:08 It was a strange choice, but he's good, good godfather.

Joe Rogan 34:10 He's a great guy.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:10 He's great. And, uh, yeah, him and my daughter have a great relationship. It's fantastic. But he is, uh, a whacker, for sure. And he came into the house. I was like, "My man, it's good to see you." And he goes, "You know the P. Diddy, uh, thing is real, and that's why Usher"...

Joe Rogan 34:26 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 34:26 "...that, that, uh, that audio of him fucking that guy was real, and that's..." And he got Usher first, and that's why Usher... Remember when Usher, uh, was gone for a year because he had to get his asshole sewn back together? Like-

Joe Rogan 34:36 (laughs) What?

Big Jay Oakerson 34:38 ... "What?"

Joe Rogan 34:38 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 34:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:38 He just rattles them off too.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:40 Yeah. I was like, "I, I-"

Joe Rogan 34:40 And it'll go to Libya. All of a sudden you're talking about Libya.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:42 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 34:43 "Gaddafi. Remember the thing with Gaddafi?" Like, I don't...

Luis J. Gomez 34:45 Dude, he text... One of the people that texts, like, the way he texts, it's not just, like, he won't send you, like, one long text about, like, just everything at stake-

Joe Rogan 34:51 Trolls.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:51 No, it's-

Luis J. Gomez 34:52 He is just... Every sentence is a new text. You're just getting, like...

Joe Rogan 34:55 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:55 That maniac.

Luis J. Gomez 34:55 It just seems manic.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:56 Just like brr, brr, brr.

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Big Jay Oakerson 36:23 That's un- that's undiagnosed mania.

Luis J. Gomez 36:24 And then after like an hour you get- you get back to him, he'll be like, "Cool." (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 36:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:28 He does that to everybody.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:28 Did Bobby Kelly, when he came over... So we had a pool at the Airbnb we were at, and him... And at one point I realized, I go, "Oh no, he's had Bobby Kelly in the corner for a while." And then Bobby Kelly... Kurt goes inside and Bobby swims over and he goes, "So I guess the Jew lasers are real."

Luis J. Gomez 36:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:45 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 36:45 (laughs) He goes, "I guess Kurt told me those Jew lasers actually are pretty real."

Luis J. Gomez 36:48 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 36:48 "What's going on with them?"

Joe Rogan 36:48 He just corners you. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 36:50 He does. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 36:50 (laughs) He just corners you.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:51 But I love it. I can listen to him all day long.

Joe Rogan 36:53 He's the best, bro. He's the best podcast guest.

Luis J. Gomez 36:54 He's doing our show tonight.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:55 Yeah, yeah. He's doing the storyboards.

Joe Rogan 36:55 He's the best podcast guest. He's- he's like- he's just a ma... You just have to rein him in. Like-

Big Jay Oakerson 37:00 Tell that to Owen Benjamin.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Like, "Go in this..." Oh, that was a fun one.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:03 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 37:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:03 "Take him in this direction. Go in this direction." Because he's just... It just never stops coming out of his mouth. He's just-

Luis J. Gomez 37:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:09 He's a joke-riding machine.

Luis J. Gomez 37:10 No, he's- he's a genius. He's a actual genius.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:12 I literally say, I say, I say his day-to-day personality is genuinely... I always describe Kurt. He's the first person I see, that price of genius-

Joe Rogan 37:19 Ah.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:19 ... where it's like he's so great-

Joe Rogan 37:21 Right, right, right.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:21 ... at being funny and his mind works such a thing, but his brain-

Joe Rogan 37:23 Get it out of his mind.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:24 His brain, when you're not talking to him, maybe even when you're talking to him, is just like... We always said it's like a division sign. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 37:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:31 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 37:31 It's just formulas. Just formulas going through.

Luis J. Gomez 37:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:33 Like that meme. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 37:34 Yeah. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 37:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:35 100%. That's how I feel like when I'm talking to Elon. Same, same thing.

Luis J. Gomez 37:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:39 Like you could tell, there's like numbers running in his background and shit going on.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:43 And he's trying to figure something out while you're talking.

Joe Rogan 37:44 Yeah. I mean, he's- he's clearly on the spectrum, you know? I mean, that's- that's how you make rockets and electric cars, and also own Twitter at the same time, be addicted to Twitter. Like where's your time coming from? And you're playing Diablo?

Big Jay Oakerson 37:58 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 37:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:59 Really? Like how do you... Where is he?

Luis J. Gomez 38:00 I couldn't imagine being that rich and ever opening Twitter.

Joe Rogan 38:03 (laughs) Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 38:03 Like if I was that... Like I would just... Like I'm just definitely above tweeting.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:07 Oh, man. You didn't have to.

Joe Rogan 38:07 I think really rich guys, um, one thing that happens if you're really rich and people are stopping you from communicating, and you get pissed off and you think, "Well, fuck it. I can just buy Twitter." Like nobody would do that normally.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:20 Like you need a wild person, like Elon, to do that. That's a wild move-

Big Jay Oakerson 38:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:24 ... to say, "I'll just buy Twitter," and then pay them way more than it's worth. And then everybody says you're a terrible businessman because your company lost $20 billion in value in the first year. But it's like, no, it wasn't worth 44 billion. It... He paid 44 billion for it because he wanted it. It wasn't worth that. Like how is it worth that? And then we found out a ton of shit, man, that we wouldn't have found out about, like censorship and like what's directing it. Like it's... What's keeping us at each other's throats.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:52 You're saying almost just in the basic level of like someone his age, like (laughs) doing the same action that like a girl flopping on her bed on her tummy and kicking her knees up-

Luis J. Gomez 39:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:01 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:01 ... is like doing. Like, "Whatever. Trump's stupid and he's on- he's on the list."

Luis J. Gomez 39:05 Yeah. I just... I... If I was... I just... You made it.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:07 (laughs) Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 39:08 You don't need- you don't need to prove anything else. You made it.

Joe Rogan 39:10 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 39:11 What else you gotta prove?

Big Jay Oakerson 39:11 Let them find out in the newspapers. It doesn't matter.

Luis J. Gomez 39:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:14 It's just, it's not a good look.

Luis J. Gomez 39:15 I mean, if I had... if I just simply... I mean, if I got al... If I we... If I double my net worth, I'm gonna fucking r- (laughs) I'm gonna disappear from public life altogether.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:25 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 39:25 Much less Elon money. That's insane. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:28 I think you're aware, when you have a lot of money, of how many different entities are manipulating society. I think that becomes an issue. And then if you can do something about it and you feel compelled to do something about it, you're literally one of the only people that can.

Luis J. Gomez 39:42 Do you think that he did do something about it?

Joe Rogan 39:43 He definitely did when he bought Twitter. And-

Luis J. Gomez 39:45 Twitter changed.

Joe Rogan 39:46 He definitely did with Doge, just exposing some of the wild shit. Like billions of dollars that's gone to who knows where with no receipts. And-

Luis J. Gomez 39:56 But did they even do anything about it really? Or he just exposed it and people talked about it for a week?

Joe Rogan 40:00 Well, you can't do anything about the money that's gone. I mean, unless they can somehow or another figure out where it was spent and whether it was valid and hold someone accountable. They- they're not gonna do that, because they want to make sure that that doesn't happen to them. And they're just gonna keep spending insane amounts of money.

Luis J. Gomez 40:16 I feel like they're still spending. They- they were like, "Hey, this is happening," but it's still gonna continue to happen for the rest of your lives.

Joe Rogan 40:21 Well, here's the thing. If the- if it's been funding the Democrat machine for this whole time, which is what guys like Mike Benz allege. It's a little over my head to really explain, but essentially he was saying that the- there's so many NGO... You want to know how m- how many NGOs there are? There's, uh, one NGO in India for every 600 people.

Luis J. Gomez 40:42 Um, I don't know what an NGO is, and neither does Jay.

Joe Rogan 40:45 Idiot.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:45 What a fucking idiot, dude.

Luis J. Gomez 40:47 Just so you know.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:47 That's stupid.

Joe Rogan 40:47 Non-Government Organization.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:48 Yeah, no. Tell it to him.

Joe Rogan 40:50 Yeah, sorry. Non-Governmental Organization.

Luis J. Gomez 40:52 Okay. (laughs) Thank you.

Joe Rogan 40:52 It's just a nonprofit.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:54 So it's a nonprofit that's funded by the government.

Luis J. Gomez 40:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:56 It's- it's real weird stuff, man, when you find out about it. And once-

Big Jay Oakerson 40:59 Just a future reference, if you can make all your acronyms just say the whole word out so that Louis gets it.

Joe Rogan 41:03 Sorry.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:04 Because he's a stupid idiot.

Luis J. Gomez 41:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:05 I- I should assume that no one knows about that.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:06 No, I... Come on.

Joe Rogan 41:07 You do, but I should assume because I didn't know about it until I started talking to, uh, Mike Benz about it. I was like, "Wait, what? Like how much money?" And when you find out where the money was going and what it was doing, it's like, he said it's all for stuff that's too dirty for the CIA. I was like, "Jesus Christ." And he lays it on like hours-long presentation and explains how it's all... What- what's the root of it all. And it's like, it's really spooky stuff because you- you realize like how corrupt our society actually truly is.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:33 Do you enjoy having the burden of information though?

Joe Rogan 41:35 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:36 Do you-

Joe Rogan 41:36 I fucking hate it.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:37 Why... Like where does your-

Joe Rogan 41:39 I got a-

Luis J. Gomez 41:39 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 41:39 Where does your-

Joe Rogan 41:39 I got a Bigfoot podcast.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:40 Where does your, like, political give a shit stop, really?

Joe Rogan 41:44 Well, I just don't want the world to fall apart.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:45 Sure.

Joe Rogan 41:45 That's all it is. I just... I'm not politically aligned with either the left or the right. I believe in a lot of shit that the left believes in.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:53 Sure.

Joe Rogan 41:53 And I believe in a lot of shit that the right believes in. I just don't believe in any of the shit that the extremists on either side believe in.

Luis J. Gomez 41:59 That's the problem.

Joe Rogan 42:00 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 42:01 This is.

Joe Rogan 42:01 Yeah. When you're fucking a-tackling people at construction sites, it's like, come on.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Like what are you... What are we doing? Like you want everybody out. I feel like once you get in, you should...... let's take a test. (laughs) Let's see, you know like, uh, are you, are you the type of guy that shows up at work? Are you the type of guy that, uh, respects America? Do you like being here?

Luis J. Gomez 42:24 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:24 Is it too easy to get in though, if that's what you're asking?

Joe Rogan 42:25 Do you want a pass-

Luis J. Gomez 42:25 You had a great analogy about the movie theater.

Joe Rogan 42:28 What do you mean, it's too easy?

Luis J. Gomez 42:28 I love that.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:28 My movie theater analogy is killer.

Luis J. Gomez 42:29 It's a great analogy.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:31 I said I've snuck into a movie before, sit in an empty seat that no one'd taken. It's not even taking up any kinda space. If they come in and go, "Hey, where's your ticket?" I go, "I don't have one." They go, "You have to go," you gotta go, man. I can't-

Luis J. Gomez 42:46 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 42:46 ... you can't be like, "Ah, dude, but I've already watched an hour of it."

Joe Rogan 42:49 Yeah. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 42:49 Yeah. So what? And I feel like you should let them finish the movie.

Joe Rogan 42:52 That's a good, um-

Big Jay Oakerson 42:53 I'm just saying my point. I'm not even saying you shouldn't let ... I'm saying it's discretion to let them finish the movie or not.

Luis J. Gomez 42:58 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:58 I'm just making the point to be like blown away.

Luis J. Gomez 43:00 (laughs) They shoot you with a rubber bullet.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:01 But I'm like, "What? This movie theater was built on my people's land."

Joe Rogan 43:04 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:04 Or it's a fucking ... It just, to me, it's just like a weird like reaction to getting caught being like, "Well, but I've already been here." It's like, "I've gotten away with it for so long."

Joe Rogan 43:13 Yeah, it's kinda funny.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:13 'Cause if you steal someone's stuff-

Luis J. Gomez 43:15 P-

Big Jay Oakerson 43:15 ... and they find it 20 years later, you go, "Well, it's been mine for 20 years."

Joe Rogan 43:19 But also, I f- I totally agree with you and it's a funny joke. But also, if you're living in Mexico and you're a young person and you figure out a way to sneak across the border, you get gainfully employed in the United States, you start doing well. You're- you're involved in a business, you start raising a family, but there's no real path to citizenship 'cause you snuck in.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:38 But you've actually become integrated in society and you're part of the American dream.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:43 (clears throat) Sure.

Joe Rogan 43:43 It's just there's no path if you're dirt poor, that's the problem. See, if you're living in Denmark and you're white and you got a college degree and you're really good at genetics, you wanna come over here and work for a lab, probably not that hard. You gotta jump through hoops, though. You gotta meet with the guy every six months or whatever it is, you gotta fill out the paperwork. But if you walk in here from Mexico-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:00 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 44:01 ... you know, there's no- no clear path to citizenship.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:04 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 44:04 Sure.

Joe Rogan 44:04 You gotta marry a fat white woman.

Luis J. Gomez 44:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:07 Uh, find-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:08 That's the path. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:08 ... find a desperado.

Luis J. Gomez 44:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:10 Yeah. I mean, there's no-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:11 Or a Rodeo, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:11 ... there's no clear path.

Luis J. Gomez 44:12 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 44:12 And especially if you're integrated into like, uh, I, there was a- a guy that I had, was my landscaper for a long time in, uh, LA.

Luis J. Gomez 44:20 He was Danish. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:21 He wa- he came-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:22 (laughs) He was Dutch.

Joe Rogan 44:23 He came from Mexico. He walked across from Mexico. It's like... And he lived in these communities, like he took me to, uh, they- they had chicken fights in their communities. And this dude had just roosters stacked up everywhere. There was like, there was like 100 roosters in this guy's backyard. Not my landscaper, but his friend, he took me to his friend's place. They would barbecue a goat and cook it. There wasn't a English-speaking sign for blocks. And I was like, "This is-"

Big Jay Oakerson 44:48 You should've fucking paid him more.

Luis J. Gomez 44:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:50 So like my point is-

Luis J. Gomez 44:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:52 No, I paid him well. That was not my point. My point is like there's like-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:55 Spends it all on chicken fights.

Joe Rogan 44:56 ... completely integrated societies-

Luis J. Gomez 44:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:59 ... that are a part of LA, that are fully Mexican, you know? And, but it functions, it works. Like, going in and raiding those people and putting them in jail because they've integrated into so- society in an illegal way seems stupid.

Luis J. Gomez 45:14 And then it's all the people that are going, it's like, "It's my tax dollars." Like, guys, the amount of bullshit that our tax dollars goes to-

Joe Rogan 45:19 Right. Right.

Luis J. Gomez 45:19 ... that's, that should be a priority over getting a- a fucking Mexican dad out of the country.

Joe Rogan 45:23 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 45:23 It's like-

Big Jay Oakerson 45:24 Joe, it sounds like you just wanna keep barbecued goat in this country.

Joe Rogan 45:26 But here's the problem, the problem is if they're illegal, right, which is what everybody wants to keep it that way, 'cause, "What if you let them vote and this would..." If they're illegal, then you don't have to pay them as much, and this is where it's dark.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:39 This is the dark secret of why people want cheap labor in this country, because there's a lot of people that don't pay people what they're supposed to be getting paid. It's non-union, they're illegal, everyone knows, and they want cheap labor. Cheap, dependable, reliable labor, so they let people in for that. Tim Dillon was talking to me about this a long time ago. 'Cause, you know, he used to be a real estate guy. Like, he- he understands like the dynamics of it all. It's like that is a big part of what they want, why they're bringing people in. But the reality is, yeah, you should just pay people more money. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 46:10 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:10 You should make less money, you should pay them more money. You should pay them enough money so they can live. Like, you just, to- to- to try to have a giant business that pays people the least amount possible-

Luis J. Gomez 46:20 That's-

Joe Rogan 46:20 ... it's kind of crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 46:21 That's most businesses. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:22 I know, but that's kind of crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 46:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:23 It's kind of a crazy thing to do.

Big Jay Oakerson 46:25 It's very interesting, my, uh, my ex-wife's both her parents are immigrants, and you'd be surprised how not like, uh, sad they feel for people being kicked out. Like, they're like-

Joe Rogan 46:35 That's so crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 46:35 I think they have a very like, if, like we had to figure out how to do it legally.

Joe Rogan 46:40 That's on a lot of peo- but that's also how people felt like when, uh, people were unvaccinated. "Oh, I already took the shot."

Big Jay Oakerson 46:46 (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 46:47 Like, "Why don't you take the shot?" "I already took the shot."

Big Jay Oakerson 46:49 Shit, I didn't have to. I sought it out so hard.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Did you?

Luis J. Gomez 46:52 Yeah, Jay was-

Big Jay Oakerson 46:53 Oh, my God.

Luis J. Gomez 46:53 ... oh, you were so scared?

Big Jay Oakerson 46:53 ... I was paranoid.

Luis J. Gomez 46:54 You were scared?

Big Jay Oakerson 46:54 I'm certain I was dying.

Joe Rogan 46:55 Yeah, a lot of- a lot of people got scared.

Luis J. Gomez 46:57 Yeah, I- I took it.

Joe Rogan 46:58 They scared the fuck out of us.

Luis J. Gomez 46:59 I took it, and then I faked the second one, th- the booster.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:02 (gasps)

Luis J. Gomez 47:02 (laughs) 'Cause I realized that there's no way that these, there, it's a piece of paper, it's a card.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 47:06 With like some random name on it. It was like, it was like-

Joe Rogan 47:08 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 47:09 (laughs) ... I- I was like, "There's no way they're actually tracking this."

Big Jay Oakerson 47:11 My daughter made one on her phone to go into a Cheesecake Factory.

Luis J. Gomez 47:13 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 47:14 It's pretty impressive.

Joe Rogan 47:15 Uh, they're gonna absolve you of that crime. It'll be in the future as bill like when they, uh, all the people that dodged the draft.

Luis J. Gomez 47:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:22 They- they exonerated them all.

Luis J. Gomez 47:24 Oh, wait, did I just admit to a crime-

Joe Rogan 47:25 Yeah, you did.

Luis J. Gomez 47:25 ... in this podcast? I didn't do that.

Joe Rogan 47:26 It was a crime. They were- they were saying they were gonna prosecute people. I remember saying that, there was people that were saying if you try to use a fake vaccination card, we're gonna prosecute. We were like, "Pff."

Luis J. Gomez 47:35 Yeah. But that's like saying they're gonna put you in jail for not going to jury duty. That doesn't actually happen.

Joe Rogan 47:39 Yeah, but that's way crazier than that, because that's like w- this whole thing is nuts. Like, you're telling people they have to do this to get on an airplane and it doesn't even work.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:47 Have you ever had to tie lettuce wraps at Cheesecake Factory? They're great.

Luis J. Gomez 47:50 I'll risk it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:52 Uh, I'll risk it.

Luis J. Gomez 47:52 Do-do they come to you for... Have you ever done jury duty?

Joe Rogan 47:55 I haven't done it, no.

Luis J. Gomez 47:56 Like, that's a-

Big Jay Oakerson 47:57 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 47:57 If Joe Rogan showed up to do jury duty, he'd be wild.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:01 (laughs) Are you familiar with this case? I'm familiar with everything.

Joe Rogan 48:05 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 48:06 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 48:06 I, uh, I'm a little familiar with everything.

Luis J. Gomez 48:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:09 Mildly.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:09 (laughs) Yeah. I think I, uh, interviewed the defendant and the plaintiff.

Luis J. Gomez 48:13 I've never done jury duty either. I've, I haven't gotten a notification in years and years and years for it.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:17 I just took-

Luis J. Gomez 48:17 But I just ignore them back in the day.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:18 I just took one recently.... pretty hard. You- you die in the-

Joe Rogan 48:22 Tim Dillon-

Big Jay Oakerson 48:22 I just flat out moved.

Joe Rogan 48:23 Tim Dillon was just talking about it on, um, The Spicy Wings Show? What? Hot Ones?

Luis J. Gomez 48:28 Hot Ones.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:28 Hot Ones.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Tim, he was talking about how he did dir- uh, for a murder trial.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:32 Really?

Joe Rogan 48:32 Yeah. The guy was a fucking murderer.

Luis J. Gomez 48:33 He did it recently?

Joe Rogan 48:35 Yeah. He was talking about it recently. Th- the guy... It was a long time ago. But, uh, he, he was, uh, did jury duty, and he was, like, joking around with the defendant.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:42 See-

Luis J. Gomez 48:43 If I was guaranteed that, I'd go, uh, show up. It's just... What you're gonna get is, like, a tax something, or a-

Joe Rogan 48:50 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:50 ... business, uh, argument-

Joe Rogan 48:52 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:52 ... or some kind of shit. And that's boring as hell.

Luis J. Gomez 48:54 Now you have to pretend to be racist to get out of it.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:57 You gotta have-

Big Jay Oakerson 48:57 I, uh-

Joe Rogan 48:57 ... get schizophrenia.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:59 I hate, uh... What's the last name of the one guy? Watkins?

Luis J. Gomez 49:03 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 49:03 I hate black people. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:05 Just, um-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:06 There you go. It's Jeremiah Watkins.

Luis J. Gomez 49:07 Shit.

Joe Rogan 49:07 I'm a little too opinionated.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:09 To be... Yeah?

Joe Rogan 49:10 I mean, that's what I'd say. I'm a little too opinionated.

Luis J. Gomez 49:12 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 49:12 Uh, the only time I ever showed up... The only time ever I showed up, I wore... I was wearing jean shorts, and they said, "You can't wear shorts to..." And I go, "What do I do?" They go, "Go back... You'll go back into the pool and just go home."

Joe Rogan 49:23 Oh, no.

Luis J. Gomez 49:23 They sent me home. They sent him into a pool because he was wearing shorts. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 49:25 (laughs) Yeah, "Nice shorts, idiot."

Luis J. Gomez 49:27 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 49:27 "Get in the pool."

Joe Rogan 49:28 You can't offend people with your wardrobe at this place of the law.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:31 (laughs) I guess so.

Joe Rogan 49:33 How... When did they stop wearing the wigs in the fucking crazy, crazy like-... You know.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:39 Did they do it here?

Joe Rogan 49:39 Did they stop wearing those?

Luis J. Gomez 49:40 I think so, right?

Joe Rogan 49:41 They don't wear the wigs anymore, right?

Luis J. Gomez 49:42 We first came from, uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:45 Oh, like Pilgrim Court? (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 49:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:46 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 49:49 Okay. Back in Pilgrim Court.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Like, how fucking stupid is it that everybody had wigs on?

Luis J. Gomez 49:52 They still have it in England to this day.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:54 Yeah, they still do it to this day.

Luis J. Gomez 49:55 The, the judges still wear it. It's crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:56 And Jewish women.

Joe Rogan 49:57 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:57 Religious Jewish women.

Joe Rogan 49:58 You know where it pro- came from?

Big Jay Oakerson 49:59 And any Black woman.

Joe Rogan 50:01 Came from syphilis.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:02 The wigs?

Joe Rogan 50:03 Yeah, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:04 Wow. How so?

Joe Rogan 50:05 All the, the people... This is what... This is a l- a... So this is... The story's a little complicated. This may or may not have been exactly how it happened. But it seems like when explorers came to North America, they contracted syphilis from the natives and then brought it back to Europe, and then a lot of people were getting syphilis. (laughs) These people were freaks. They're all fucking each other, and they're losing their hair and getting big holes in their face and shit. Like, syphilis is crazy. It like rots your head away. And so they started wearing wigs, because they had like big scabby holes in their head, like literally. It's horrific shit. And the more wealthy you were, the bigger the wig. So that was like big wigs. That's what the term big wigs come from. It comes from these-

Big Jay Oakerson 50:46 Makes complete sense.

Joe Rogan 50:47 ... these freaks that all had syphilis that were all banging each other in France.

Luis J. Gomez 50:50 And if you have money, you're fucking just getting pussy left and right.

Joe Rogan 50:52 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 50:52 So it's... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:53 So there was these two, um, two guys that were royals and they started it all. They started wearing the wigs when they got syphilis.

Luis J. Gomez 51:01 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:01 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 51:02 Nuts.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:03 M-

Joe Rogan 51:03 So then-

Big Jay Oakerson 51:03 So I guess it all dials back-

Joe Rogan 51:05 ... like that-

Big Jay Oakerson 51:05 It's still it's not the white man's fault. It's these dirty-ass Indians. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:08 It has to be-

Big Jay Oakerson 51:09 These dirty Indian sluts.

Joe Rogan 51:10 It has to be why they wear wigs in court. It has to be, right? Like, it has to be like a proper thing, like wearing a tie or something. Like, a gentleman wears a wig.

Luis J. Gomez 51:19 I should start wearing a wig. How fun would that be?

Big Jay Oakerson 51:21 Oh, a powdered wig? That'd be great.

Luis J. Gomez 51:22 I thought about getting a, uh, uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 51:24 Bubble shoes?

Luis J. Gomez 51:24 ... toupee recently, just to be funny.

Joe Rogan 51:26 No.

Luis J. Gomez 51:26 And just show up with like a really high-quality toupee.

Joe Rogan 51:28 Jamar does that.

Luis J. Gomez 51:30 Yeah, no. He has the, uh-

Joe Rogan 51:30 Jamar he wears a mohawk.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:31 The mohawk.

Luis J. Gomez 51:31 The mohawk.

Joe Rogan 51:31 He glues it to his head.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:32 You should get a hair system, not a toupee.

Luis J. Gomez 51:34 No, dude. I'm not going to another country to get my fucking ass hairs implanted in my head.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:37 No, no. Not an implant. Just a system. It's like a different-

Luis J. Gomez 51:40 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:40 It's like more permanent toupee. It really looks-

Joe Rogan 51:42 Dude, I saw a video today where this doctor was talking, and a doctor that I know was talking. Garth Fisher's his name. He was talking about his clients that went down to Turkey to get a gastric bypass operation. And then a couple months later, they're like, "My stomach's bothering me." And the doctor's like, "Oh, well, let's check out what's going on with your stomach. How long have you only had one kidney?" And she's like, "I have two kidneys." He goes, "No, you have one kidney," and then contacts the other two girls that were on the trip. They all come in to get examined. They're all missing a kidney as well. So they went down to Turkey to get a bypass, a gastric bypass, and they stole their fucking kidneys.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:22 Brilliant.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Yo.

Luis J. Gomez 52:23 Not bad.

Joe Rogan 52:24 Bro, imagine-

Big Jay Oakerson 52:24 Brilliant moves.

Joe Rogan 52:25 ... they're out there stealing body parts.

Luis J. Gomez 52:27 Yeah, that's-

Big Jay Oakerson 52:27 They only have one kidney. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:29 That's crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:31 I mean, at least it's better.

Joe Rogan 52:32 That's evil.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:32 At least you... Uh, did they also get the gastric bypass, though?

Joe Rogan 52:35 They did.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:36 Oh, so-

Joe Rogan 52:36 But I think they paid for it. You know?

Big Jay Oakerson 52:37 Oh. What if it cost a kidney to get gastric bypass? There's fat people that would do that.

Joe Rogan 52:42 Right. What if they didn't read the fine print?

Big Jay Oakerson 52:44 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 52:44 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 52:44 And it just costs you this? Here's why it's so cheap.

Joe Rogan 52:46 It's free.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:46 We need a kidney.

Joe Rogan 52:47 It's free if you have AB blood.

Luis J. Gomez 52:49 How much is a kidney on the black market worth?

Joe Rogan 52:51 That's a good question. Jamie. Uh, don't Google that. We'll get in trouble.

Luis J. Gomez 52:54 No, Jamie. Off the, off the dome. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:56 Yeah, you're gonna have to-

Luis J. Gomez 52:56 Jamie?

Big Jay Oakerson 52:56 Also, where does your, uh-

Joe Rogan 52:57 Let's guess.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:58 Where does your circle-

Joe Rogan 52:58 How many kidneys are-

Big Jay Oakerson 52:58 How big is your circle of give a kidney if they need?

Joe Rogan 53:02 Oh, it's very small.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:03 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 53:04 Yeah, you're gonna have to figure that out.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:05 K-... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:06 I'm not giving up kidneys for people.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:07 Where? Just like, uh-

Luis J. Gomez 53:08 Well, how... What happens if you already have one kidney?

Big Jay Oakerson 53:10 Or if you're Shafir, get your kidney.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Uh, not good.

Luis J. Gomez 53:12 What... I mean, how... Like-

Joe Rogan 53:13 Not as good.

Luis J. Gomez 53:14 It's-

Joe Rogan 53:14 As two. That's why I have two. I'm keeping two.

Luis J. Gomez 53:16 But I mean, what-

Joe Rogan 53:17 Hello, science, catch up.

Luis J. Gomez 53:18 You can live with one-

Joe Rogan 53:18 Don't be fucking stealing people's kidneys.

Luis J. Gomez 53:20 You can live with one kidney, but how much does it affect your like day-to-day... Like you exercise still? Can you-

Joe Rogan 53:24 I don't... I don't know.

Luis J. Gomez 53:25 What would it do to you?

Joe Rogan 53:25 It's a very good question.

Luis J. Gomez 53:26 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:26 I think you could live life relatively normal.

Joe Rogan 53:29 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:29 Because people do it for loved ones.

Joe Rogan 53:30 It's interesting that people get kicked in the kidneys all the time, but you don't really hear about too many like severe kidney injuries, you know? Like you hear about liver injuries.

Luis J. Gomez 53:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:40 Like you hear about internal bleeding from guys from body shots. You don't hear too much about kidney injuries.

Luis J. Gomez 53:45 Dude, getting punched in the fucking liver-

Joe Rogan 53:47 Dude.

Luis J. Gomez 53:48 It's the most painful thing-

Joe Rogan 53:49 It's weird, right?

Luis J. Gomez 53:49 ... on the planet, dude. Like-

Joe Rogan 53:51 It's a weird feeling.

Luis J. Gomez 53:52 It's crazy. It'll... It just shuts your body down. You roll around on the floor and start crying.

Joe Rogan 53:55 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 53:55 I think I saw... I think Mickey Gall told me his-

Luis J. Gomez 53:58 Mickey Gall kicked me in my kidney.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:59 Oh.

Joe Rogan 54:00 Ugh.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:00 He hit... He hit a kidney?

Luis J. Gomez 54:01 Yeah. So I, I sparred with Mickey Gall once, and I sparred with Michael Bisping once, and both of them put me down with liver shot. No, I'm sorry. Liver shots. Not kidney.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:08 Oh, liver.

Luis J. Gomez 54:08 Liver shots. Like but they, they, they called it. This is how good fighters are. Like-

Joe Rogan 54:12 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 54:13 Bisping's like, "Hey, watch this." Bang. (laughs) And he just put me down.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:16 Oh, no.

Luis J. Gomez 54:16 I mean, literally the whole gym-

Joe Rogan 54:17 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 54:17 ... of people cackling- Rude. ... laughing at me as I roll around-

Joe Rogan 54:20 How rude.

Luis J. Gomez 54:20 ... on the floor as a man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:22 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 54:22 It's fucking pathetic.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:23 Have you seen Ilia Toporia do that-

Luis J. Gomez 54:24 But Mickey... Mickey-

Big Jay Oakerson 54:24 ... to people? He does it to fans. He hits them with a liver shot.

Luis J. Gomez 54:27 Oh, no.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:27 They ask him.

Luis J. Gomez 54:28 No, no.

Joe Rogan 54:28 So he's liver shot and bare knuckle.... Ilia Topuria, bare knuckle liver shotting people.

Luis J. Gomez 54:33 You would... I'd rather be punched in the face-

Big Jay Oakerson 54:34 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 54:34 ... 10 out of 10 times.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:35 But Mickey said when he lost to Diego Sanchez, it was because his kidneys started shutting off.

Luis J. Gomez 54:39 That's why he bit him in the-

Joe Rogan 54:40 I bet that is a weight loss thing, though.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:41 Because from weight... He said that's what he said, it's from weight loss.

Joe Rogan 54:43 Yeah. Yeah, that's a brutal thing that they do, man. Like, Kayla Harrison who just won the bantamweight title, bro.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:48 Oh, that picture of her-

Joe Rogan 54:49 She is so-

Big Jay Oakerson 54:50 ... weighing.

Joe Rogan 54:51 ... big. She's so jacked. And that her getting down to 135, I don't know how much weight she's losing. I don't really wanna ask, but I do. You know we're not supposed to ask ladies what they weigh.

Luis J. Gomez 55:00 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:01 But, uh, she was competing in the Olympics-

Luis J. Gomez 55:02 Even in professional fighting? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:04 Yeah. And when she was over at the PFL, she was fighting at 155.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:08 Really? Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:08 Her picture, her picture of her at the, the actual weigh-in-

Joe Rogan 55:11 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:12 ... was, like, scary.

Joe Rogan 55:14 Yeah, it's kind of fucked up, honestly.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:15 It was like a thumbnail from, like, Crack Whore Confessions. You know what I'm saying? Like...

Joe Rogan 55:18 (laughs) See this is the problem, the UFC had a 145-pound division and Amanda Nunes was the champion of it. Like, for the health of both fighters, like, that would be a good way... I mean, it, it really depends on if Kayla Harrison can continue to make 135 and defend the title, 'cause I don't know who's gonna beat her. She's too fucking strong.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:34 It's huge.

Joe Rogan 55:35 She's so strong.

Luis J. Gomez 55:35 That happens a lot with, like, the chicks. There's, like, a real dominant chick for a while.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Mm-hmm. Hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 55:39 Right?

Joe Rogan 55:40 With Amanda, it was KO power.

Luis J. Gomez 55:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:41 Amanda was one of the rare women that she could just touch you and just blast you out of orbit. You know? It's usually with women, it's like a combination punches. Like, Amanda had extraordinary power.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:52 Like when she knocked out Cyborg, that was wild, dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:55 That was fu-... She just folded Cyborg. I'm like, "That lady can crack."

Big Jay Oakerson 55:59 What was the... Was it Silva? This last weekend, there was a knockout. The guy was, like, asleep standing, and it was the most, softest, like a turnover-

Joe Rogan 56:08 Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:08 ... turnover, like, chin punch.

Joe Rogan 56:09 The Korean dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:10 Yeah, young.

Joe Rogan 56:11 The boxer?

Big Jay Oakerson 56:11 He was, like, 23 years old. It was like he-

Joe Rogan 56:13 Jo Sang Yu.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:14 ... he moved and just, like, it was the smallest, little, like knuck-

Joe Rogan 56:17 Oh, it was beautiful.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:17 He didn't pull it from the shoulder or nothing.

Joe Rogan 56:19 One of the best left hooks of all time.

Luis J. Gomez 56:20 I thought it was just-

Big Jay Oakerson 56:20 The guy was, the guy was asleep before he hit the ground. It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 56:22 One of the best left hooks of all time. It was literally like this. Bam! Like, he just turned it over.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:26 And he's a kid, right?

Joe Rogan 56:27 Yeah, he's young. No, he's not that young. No, no, no. Here it is. Boom! Look at that.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:32 I think he's 28.

Luis J. Gomez 56:33 It's a lot of his momentum coming in, too. It was like the-

Joe Rogan 56:35 Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 56:35 ... perfect place timing.

Joe Rogan 56:36 For sure. But he's also a really good boxer. So he's-

Luis J. Gomez 56:38 So he's getting knocked out and then some dude's doing back flips in the ring? (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 56:40 Oh, it's the worst feeling in the world. That's-

Joe Rogan 56:42 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 56:42 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 56:42 I hones-... By the way, I don't know how I would... I'm not a good enough sport for if I was knocked out and they come over and start doing that thing where they're touching my face a lot and being like, "Thank you for the opportunity." I go, "Get the fuck away from me, dickhead."

Joe Rogan 56:52 (laughs) A lot of people do.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:53 You fucking jerk off? I don't wanna talk to you. He goes, "Hey, will you pray with me?" No!

Joe Rogan 56:56 Ah! Will you pray with me?

Big Jay Oakerson 56:58 To who? A god that hates my guts?

Luis J. Gomez 57:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:00 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 57:00 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 57:04 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 57:05 That's so funny.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:06 I've been praying to God this whole training camp.

Joe Rogan 57:08 And I just got fucked up.

Luis J. Gomez 57:09 Jack Shit.

Joe Rogan 57:10 God just gave me a concussion.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:12 (laughs) Thanks, God.

Joe Rogan 57:14 That's so... That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:15 I guess God thought it was training wrong.

Joe Rogan 57:18 This lady's got a problem because if she... You know, other than the Amanda Nunes fight, who? Well, who's gonna pay to watch her just steamroll somebody? You know, like every... If she can continue to make 135 and she becomes a marathon runner or something-

Luis J. Gomez 57:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:31 ... and drops even more muscle mass and can make 135, who the fuck is gonna be able to deal with that?

Luis J. Gomez 57:35 It's almost like Mike Tyson back in the day-

Joe Rogan 57:37 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 57:37 It became a thing where they started, like, offering you money back on the pay-per-views if he-

Joe Rogan 57:41 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 57:41 ... if he didn't last at least two rounds.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:43 Did they?

Joe Rogan 57:44 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 57:44 Yeah, that was the whole thing. It was like... 'Cause he was knocking people out so fast, it was like, "Yeah, I'm not paying for this. This is fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 57:50 Yeah, everybody would look at a pay-per-view based on how long you thought the fight would last. Like, "$60, man."

Luis J. Gomez 57:55 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:56 It wasn't that much back then. But, but I remember people being bummed out. It was like a 30-second knockout.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:01 Whew.

Luis J. Gomez 58:01 But it was also fun to, like... It, it was almost like-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:03 I think it was great. Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 58:03 Mike Tyson, his thing was he was so vicious and badass.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:07 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 58:07 That was kind of fun to watch somebody that dominant, you know? It was-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:10 But also the crazy... When it was-

Luis J. Gomez 58:11 I think that the UFC people, the... Like, they wanna, they want the back and forth. They want five crazy fights.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:16 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 58:16 They wanna, like... You feel like-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:17 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 58:17 ... you're getting your money's worth.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:19 I remember after Tyson-Holyfield, the ear thing.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:22 I ordered that pay-per-view and I was driving around that night afterwards listening to the radio and people were, like, like, tons of complaining on sports radio. I'm like, "You just watched a guy bite a hu-... Another man's ear off." Like, what?

Luis J. Gomez 58:32 If they would've sold it that way before the-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:34 You would've paid $60 just for that.

Luis J. Gomez 58:35 Yeah, before the fight if they were like, "Watch a man eat another man's ear."

Big Jay Oakerson 58:38 (laughs) Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 58:38 Like, "I'll pay anything you want."

Joe Rogan 58:40 Well, didn't, didn't he bite him twice?

Big Jay Oakerson 58:42 I guess.

Luis J. Gomez 58:42 Yeah. He didn't get it off the first time, though.

Joe Rogan 58:43 The money back then was for that fight. Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 58:44 The fact that Mike Tyson has, uh-

Joe Rogan 58:47 50 bucks back then? Wow.

Luis J. Gomez 58:48 ... his edibles that are ear shaped-

Joe Rogan 58:50 That is so hilarious.

Luis J. Gomez 58:50 ... is one of funniest fucking things on Earth.

Joe Rogan 58:51 And the fact that their friends know. Evander... Mike is lucky.

Luis J. Gomez 58:54 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:54 Evander Holyfield has no idea what's going on.

Joe Rogan 58:56 He, he doesn't?

Big Jay Oakerson 58:57 He'd be friends with anybody.

Joe Rogan 58:59 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 58:59 He is goneski.

Luis J. Gomez 59:01 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 59:01 Evander Holyfield?

Joe Rogan 59:02 Is he?

Big Jay Oakerson 59:02 Oh, he ca-... His, his yell is a whisper.

Joe Rogan 59:04 He was on my podcast a few years back. He was fine.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 59:06 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:06 There's nothing going on. There's nothing going on.

Joe Rogan 59:07 Back in LA. No, man, he was, like, super coherent back in LA.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:12 Damn.

Joe Rogan 59:12 I mean, that was a few years ago. Seven years ago, maybe. How long ago was Evander on the show? Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:18 Did he fight Vitor? Is that who fought Vitor?

Joe Rogan 59:20 Yeah. That was unfortunate.

Luis J. Gomez 59:21 Yeah, that was bad. That was a bad fight.

Joe Rogan 59:22 And I don't, I don't think he had a real camp for that fight either.

Luis J. Gomez 59:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:24 Yeah, I think that was a last minute replacement 'cause, uh, Vitor was supposed to fight somebody else, right?

Luis J. Gomez 59:29 Yeah. Maybe.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:30 Very few athletes will ever, I think, at this point... I know there's bigger contracts now than ever.

Joe Rogan 59:35 2019, so six years ago. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:37 But very few athletes will ever understand the idea of that, like, what those guys' lives were like. You know, like Riddick Bowe?

Luis J. Gomez 59:44 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:44 Like, Riddick Bowe was champion for, like, two fights. I mean, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 59:47 And he was awesome.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:48 He didn't have a... He was awesome, but he didn't have a long run or anything. And then right... You see his thing, it's like 14 acres with white tigers everywhere and all his clothes are silk. Like, they're immediately... Like, they were just getting handed, like, $50 million-

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:00 So much money.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:01 ... uh, uh, uh, in one night. I know it's like he trained for that night, but that's a crazy amount of m-... Like, no athletes get that-

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Yeah, well, it's-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:08 ... like anymore. Nothing like that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 There's a few. Canelo does.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:12 Does he?

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Yeah. Canelo has a giant deal with the Salinas.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:14 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:14 Oh, but I mean, maybe even boxing still has that with the pay-per-view, like, taken. I just mean there was-

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:18 Yeah, some of these boxers are making pretty fucking nuts money.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:20 Yeah. But that sport's the only sport design... UFC, it's never paid like that, has it?

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Um, I don't know what the most amount anyone's been paid in the UFC for a fight. If I had to guess, it's gotta be Conor.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:32 Yeah, without a doubt.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Yeah. Um, I know Conor has made more than $100 million in the UFC, I believe.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 See if that's a fact.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:40 Is that going all in with his, his endorsements and everything?

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 See 'cause I, I, I shouldn't, I shouldn't say that 'cause I don't really know. I just read some article that tried to break down how much he made for each pay-per-view and how much he made, um, at the beginning of his career. You know, like when he first burst onto the scene.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:53 Yeah. It's, uh...

1:00:55 I got (clears throat) two numbers in the first results. That says 39.3 and then down here it says a hundred.

1:01:01 108, yeah.

1:01:03 It might include the boxing fights, though.

1:01:04 That's ... Yeah, so there's like the pay-per-view bonuses versus, like, fight pay, so ...

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 What I was gonna say is I thought he made $100 million from the Floyd fight, so it can't be that.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:14 30 million from that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 So, 30 million-

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:16 30 million from the deal.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Oh, it says 30 million from the