Joe Rogan Experience #2342 - Jim Norton

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Jim Norton 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

Narrator 0:11 (intro music)

Jim Norton 0:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:14 (laughs)

Jim Norton 0:14 Where do I fucking put this thing? It's hideous.

Joe Rogan 0:16 Right? Like, what are you gonna do with it?

Jim Norton 0:17 Yeah, I should've thrown it out. But I'm just, I feel like if somebody put effort into it and gave it to me, just keep it.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Yeah, I know. Well, that's how I wound up with this fucking snake on the desk. This is from... (laughs)

Jim Norton 0:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:30 This,, uh, during the entire podcast, Harlan Williams had this in his pants and he was saying that he had a, he got a worm.

Jim Norton 0:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:39 And he, he named his worm Dmitri, and at the end of the podcast, he, he pulls it out, "Ugh."

Jim Norton 0:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:43 And then he got such a fucking kick out of the fact that it was still on the desk when I interviewed Trump. (laughs)

Jim Norton 0:49 (laughs) I hope he explained where it came from.

Joe Rogan 0:51 I didn't say shit.

Jim Norton 0:52 He's like, "This present... Hold on."

Joe Rogan 0:53 I didn't say anything.

Jim Norton 0:53 I think it's f- I think it's funny 'cause when you said that, I was like, "Who gave that to you? Is that a seven year old?"

Joe Rogan 0:57 (laughs)

Jim Norton 0:57 And then said, "Harlan Williams." All right, works out perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:00 (laughs)

Jim Norton 1:00 That feels correct.

Joe Rogan 1:02 He is so unique.

Jim Norton 1:04 He is. And, uh, I forgot he was in Something About Mary.

Joe Rogan 1:06 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 1:07 Which is literally one of the funniest movies ever made.

Joe Rogan 1:09 Ever.

Jim Norton 1:10 And I watched him again. I'm like, "Goddamn, I wish I was in that. I wish I had one line in that movie."

Joe Rogan 1:14 Right, right, right. That was one of... Well, the Farrelly brothers, they're the best. They, they have some bangers, man. You know, Kingpin?

Jim Norton 1:21 Yeah, Bill Murray.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Jim Norton 1:22 I'm gonna take these off.

Joe Rogan 1:23 You don't like them?

Jim Norton 1:24 No, no, they're fine. I just, I, I'm so used to my... I hate my own voice.

Joe Rogan 1:27 Oh.

Jim Norton 1:27 And hearing it come back. It's like, I'm doing radio for 20 years and I still don't like to listen to my own fucking voice.

Joe Rogan 1:31 Well, you used to do one. You used to do the one ear thing.

Jim Norton 1:35 I do one, but I saw Rich Vos. Like, too many times I've seen clips of Vos, and he just does that. And I'm like, "Do I look like that?"

Joe Rogan 1:41 (laughs)

Jim Norton 1:41 "Have I looked like that for two decades?"

Joe Rogan 1:43 (laughs)

Jim Norton 1:43 I'm like, "Fucking Rich, put it on or take it off."

Joe Rogan 1:46 "I like one ear."

Jim Norton 1:47 He just likes one ear open.

Joe Rogan 1:49 "I like it on one ear."

Jim Norton 1:50 I, I firmly believe that's some kind of, like a, a, a, a childhood, like, um, uh, defense thing. Like there was something fishy that happened in childhood-

Joe Rogan 1:58 Oh.

Jim Norton 1:58 ... where you wanna just kinda somehow stay present.

Joe Rogan 2:00 Always be aware.

Jim Norton 2:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:02 That you're gonna get attacked.

Jim Norton 2:03 Somebody, somebody fumbled. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Hmm.

Jim Norton 2:04 Somebody fumbled around and I just-

Joe Rogan 2:05 Interesting.

Jim Norton 2:06 ... gotta keep my ears open.

Joe Rogan 2:06 I don't know. That's a thing, though. A lot of people like one ear on. It's, it's not uncommon.

Jim Norton 2:12 You feel... When you have both ears covered, I just feel like I'm lost and I'm not in the room.

Joe Rogan 2:17 Hmm.

Jim Norton 2:17 And it's, it's... I guess I've gotten a little bit better with it, but just now I'm like, "Wow, I really, uh, I can't hear."

Joe Rogan 2:23 I always feel like I'm just fully locked in. You know, I don't hear anything else. I don't hear any distractions.

Jim Norton 2:29 When the headphone's on?

Joe Rogan 2:30 Yeah, I like the headphones on.

Jim Norton 2:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:31 I like to be locked in.

Jim Norton 2:33 Yeah, I do, but I just feel like... It feels like I'm underwater sometimes.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Hmm.

Jim Norton 2:36 I don't... I went in for an MRI. I just go for them, like, once a year.

Joe Rogan 2:40 Do you?

Jim Norton 2:40 And they, y-

Joe Rogan 2:40 Just for the fuck of it?

Jim Norton 2:41 I, I want to, yeah. I'm pound... getting older and I'm like, you know, "I wanna fucking make sure I'm good. Like, make sure there's no lumps or anything."

Joe Rogan 2:47 Right.

Jim Norton 2:47 And, uh, they give you those shitty headphones. And I'm so claustrophobic. I'm, I'm laying there and I'm terrified.

Joe Rogan 2:53 And the noise... (imitates machine noise)

Jim Norton 2:56 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:57 Bong, bong, bong, bong, bong, bong, bong, bong.

Jim Norton 2:57 Yeah. Yeah, being married prepares you for that (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 2:59 (laughs) You get good at blocking out talking.

Jim Norton 3:04 Oh, my God. You feel claustrophobic. There's a loud noise. You wanna kill yourself, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:08 My wife will be in full conversation with me, I'll have no idea what she said.

Jim Norton 3:11 No.

Joe Rogan 3:11 I'm just fully blocked it out.

Jim Norton 3:13 Yeah. How many things have I agreed to?

Joe Rogan 3:15 And then I'm just polite. (laughs)

Jim Norton 3:15 Exactly. (laughs) Because I want her to shut up.

Joe Rogan 3:16 "I told you about it the other day." I'm like, "You did?"

Jim Norton 3:19 Oh.

Joe Rogan 3:19 I don't wanna a- argue. I'm like, "I forgot."

Jim Norton 3:22 Yeah, "I'm sorry, I just-"

Joe Rogan 3:23 I don't know what to tell you.

Jim Norton 3:23 But it's a... I asked the guy, he goes, "Do you want music?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I'll have, uh..." I'm like, "Play rock. Just rock." And he was, uh, fucking like, uh, he didn't speak English that well, so he started playing the Rocky theme song over and over.

Joe Rogan 3:36 No!

Jim Norton 3:37 I a- I actually bailed out and got out of the machine. I couldn't finish it.

Joe Rogan 3:40 Because you couldn't hear the song anymore?

Jim Norton 3:41 No, I just was too freaked out. I'm like, "This guy's not hearing me."

Joe Rogan 3:44 (laughs)

Jim Norton 3:44 So I'm squeezing that fucking ball they give you.

Joe Rogan 3:46 Ah!

Jim Norton 3:47 It's awful. So he had to take me out, um, and I'm like, "I'll go back in." He goes, "No, we'll have to start over." 'Cause once... Apparently, an MRI, like, you have to be in the same position.

Joe Rogan 3:57 Position, yeah.

Jim Norton 3:57 So I just, I said, "Fuck it." They did my whole body and they just, they couldn't finish with the brain. I was just like, "I'm done. I'm out."

Joe Rogan 4:03 Your brain's fine. You don't wanna look in there anyway.

Jim Norton 4:05 I hope not.

Joe Rogan 4:05 Who knows? Who knows?

Jim Norton 4:06 No, I don't really wanna see what's-

Joe Rogan 4:07 Who knows what's going on in there?

Jim Norton 4:08 No, no, no, just little blind boy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:09 Who knows if wires are crossed the wrong way? (laughs)

Jim Norton 4:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:13 Imagine if you could look into your brain and see your memories. You're like, "Whoa."

Jim Norton 4:17 Eventually. I mean, Black Mirror-

Joe Rogan 4:19 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 4:19 ... did an episode of that, where you, like... With... I love how they keep the technology simple, where you're just kind of scrolling through something and they can, like, see all the, the memories. And you'll eventually be able to, to do that. I mean...

Joe Rogan 4:30 Yeah, eventually we'll have a hard drive in our head.

Jim Norton 4:33 I would do it too. I like-

Joe Rogan 4:34 Uh.

Jim Norton 4:35 I would absolutely link up... Uh, we... I think we talked about this last time, but Ray Kurzweil who talks about, like, uh, singularity.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Uh-huh.

Jim Norton 4:41 I still think his timeframe is wishful thinking. He thinks by, like, 2045, right?

Joe Rogan 4:46 2045, yeah.

Jim Norton 4:47 He'll be in his, like, 90s, so I think he's just trying to hope it happens before.

Joe Rogan 4:50 He might be right.

Jim Norton 4:51 I-

Joe Rogan 4:51 That makes sense. 20 years from now? Yeah, I think that's correct.

Jim Norton 4:55 I hope so.

Joe Rogan 4:56 I, I think everything's moving in exponential pace. And I think, you know, if you just look at what's happening with AI. AI, 10 years ago, was nonexistent. You never heard anything about it.

Jim Norton 5:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:07 And now everybody uses it on their phone all the time.

Jim Norton 5:11 I use it. Um, my wife's obsessed with it, which is irritating 'cause she, like, literally will just talk to it. And so I'm like, "All right, let me try it and see." But it's great if, like, you get an error message on your computer. Like, "What does fucking m- mac, uh, error 1101 mean?" And then you add it and it actually tells you in a very comprehensive way what that error message means.

Joe Rogan 5:28 Yeah.

Jim Norton 5:28 It's better than googling something.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 5:30 So I'm using it for that, but-

Joe Rogan 5:31 It's great for a lot of things. Kids are using it though, unfortunately, for, like, term papers and shit, and they're getting busted because AI knows when it's AI. So they just run the paper into AI and AI goes, "Oh, yeah, AI made this."

Jim Norton 5:43 "Oh, yeah, that's, that's my work." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:44 Yeah.

Jim Norton 5:44 "That sucks."

Joe Rogan 5:45 "Oh, I did that." Yeah.

Jim Norton 5:46 But, I mean, it's good for, uh, for looking things up. Right now, I'm just using it as a better Google.

Joe Rogan 5:50 Right.

Jim Norton 5:50 But would I attach it to my brain? No. Uh, 'cause I was in it the other day a- and it just said, "We detected suspicious activity," so they wanted me to log in. Maybe 'cause I had a VPN or something.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Hmm.

Jim Norton 6:00 'Cause in Texas, you can't jerk off without a fucking VPN.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Ugh.

Jim Norton 6:03 They want your license to watch porn.

Joe Rogan 6:06 I know. Isn't that crazy?

Jim Norton 6:06 Oh, it sucks.

Joe Rogan 6:07 ... it's, uh, we're pro- we're protecting children. Too fucking late. Like, is it- first of all, as if kids don't know about VPNs. They all do.

Jim Norton 6:15 And it's also one of those things where, like, I get you don't want your kids to watch porn, that's fine, and it's a lot harder... It was harder when I was a child to get. You had to find, like, magazines in the woods.

Joe Rogan 6:24 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jim Norton 6:25 Um, but I... Man, the smell of those old, shitty magazines.

Joe Rogan 6:28 Yeah.

Jim Norton 6:28 You'd find them and fucking hi-... It was the best. But now, if I had it on my phone or I had the availability, I mean, my sex addiction would've been even worse. So I guess why, I get why they wanna protect kids from that stuff.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Oh, it's gotta be fucking kids up. It's not just that, but the violence that they see. You see so much violence. I see way more violence now than I've ever seen in my whole life. Way more murders-

Jim Norton 6:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:47 ... and car accidents, and animal attacks. And I see... And Tom Segura and I have this horrible text thread. We text each other the worst shit we find every day. We're trying to freak each other out, and we've been doing it for years. And so, it's just... My algorithm's fucked.

Jim Norton 7:02 Yeah, it's just-

Joe Rogan 7:02 It's, it's fucked.

Jim Norton 7:03 Do you... There's, there's certain sites. And I never promote the site, just because it's like, uh, it's just too gruesome. But there's one site I go to where you can see everything. They have beheadings.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Ugh.

Jim Norton 7:12 And I would look at this stuff before bed.

Joe Rogan 7:14 Ooh.

Jim Norton 7:15 And I don't know why. I, I wouldn't enjoy seeing it, but I would look at it, and it just gives you some kind of a weird, horrible feeling. But there's certain things I can't watch at this point. Like, I can't watch people burning anymore.

Joe Rogan 7:27 (inhales deeply) Any more?

Jim Norton 7:28 That's a rough way to... Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:29 (laughs)

Jim Norton 7:29 One point, oh, burning for all the rape. (laughs) I just... I can't watch 'em anymore, you know? It's all had.

Joe Rogan 7:34 That's such a crazy thing to say, "I can't watch people burning anymore." I'm just... I'm all burnt out.

Jim Norton 7:39 It bothered me. It was... It got to a point where I couldn't... I can't see beheadings anymore. Like, it, it... There was a point where I could watch them and just almost watch detached, but now I just get... It's too, uh-

Joe Rogan 7:48 Do you remember the journalist who was like...

Jim Norton 7:50 Daniel Pearl?

Joe Rogan 7:51 Yes.

Jim Norton 7:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:52 That's right. Yeah.

Jim Norton 7:53 He was like the fir-... But the cameraman panicked and kind of came off him a little bit. And, and so they didn't, uh... It was kinda... They showed it, but that was the first one.

Joe Rogan 8:02 Yeah.

Jim Norton 8:02 And then that guy they called Jihad John-

Joe Rogan 8:04 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 8:05 ... who was like, uh... 'Cause he was British.

Joe Rogan 8:06 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 8:06 And they eventually caught him. Um, I forget the other people he did, but there was, like, certain contractors and stuff that they would, they would put in those orange jumpsuits-

Joe Rogan 8:14 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 8:14 ... to mimic Guantanamo, and they would-

Joe Rogan 8:17 Ugh.

Jim Norton 8:17 Just gr- gruesome shit, man. Really gruesome shit.

Joe Rogan 8:19 Gruesome shit.

Jim Norton 8:20 And it does fuck you up. It, it-

Joe Rogan 8:21 100%.

Jim Norton 8:22 I don't know what it does, uh, but it fucks you up. Like, I don't know how it messes me up, but it, it definitely is not healthy.

Joe Rogan 8:28 Well, it makes you filled with anxiety, and just n-... Knowing that that exists and then seeing it are two very different things.

Jim Norton 8:37 Yeah. Knowing it exists and seeing it. And then, I'm always like, well, I like watching... I can still watch car accidents-

Joe Rogan 8:42 (laughs)

Jim Norton 8:42 ... because it's tangible. Like, a car accident is a tangible thing. Like, if you, if you're not careful-

Joe Rogan 8:49 Right.

Jim Norton 8:49 ... and you drive like an asshole, this is what happens to you.

Joe Rogan 8:52 Or if someone's driving like an asshole and you're not paying attention, you gotta be aware of everybody.

Jim Norton 8:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:56 Yeah.

Jim Norton 8:56 So I try not to text and drive anymore. I remember one time, I was doing a gig and I was in full sex addict mode. And fucking Sam Roberts, uh, he was still an intern, uh, at that point, came with me 'cause Kenny was busy, so Sam came to help me sell merchandise. And I remember, uh, he was, uh... I think I... Did I let him... Oh, no, I drove, but he was in the passenger seat and I was just dirty-talk texting the whole way home because I couldn't text and drive because he was in the car. And I was like, "I can't get fucking... I can't be texting some woman, uh, and kill the intern." That would just be a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Joe Rogan 9:27 Ugh.

Jim Norton 9:27 So I, uh, it's like the texting and driving thing I've kind of backed off of.

Joe Rogan 9:30 Yeah, well that's what Apple CarPlay is for, you know?

Jim Norton 9:34 No.

Joe Rogan 9:34 You don't do that?

Jim Norton 9:35 Fuck, dude. The idea of con-... I m-... I did that one time. I connected my phone to a BMW X6. My girlfriend at the time, my ex-girlfriend, came with me to the dealership. And the guy is telling me, "Oh, you should connect your phone." And I do, and my fucking phone, my, uh, th- my phone book, my contact list comes up.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Right.

Jim Norton 9:57 And one of the girls, uh, you know, I put where how I knew her, and it was like, a domination fantasy.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Ugh.

Jim Norton 10:03 So that came up, her name, and "domination fantasy" came up on that little window in the X6. And I'm like, "I'll never connect anything-"

Joe Rogan 10:10 Ah!

Jim Norton 10:10 "... to my car again." There's just, just too much going on.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Just change the name.

Jim Norton 10:14 I mean, I mean, how much time do I have to go back and change all the names?

Joe Rogan 10:16 Just change the name to, like, personal trainer (laughs) .

Jim Norton 10:21 (laughs) But that's another code word (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 10:23 It doesn't have to be.

Jim Norton 10:24 I, I got busted one time talking dirty.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Ugh.

Jim Norton 10:26 I was texting dirty, and the girl, the, the escort's name came up on my phone. Um, and it was, like, one of those names that cannot be, like, a regular person.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Right.

Jim Norton 10:33 So I ran... My, and my girlfriend was fucking screaming at me in the car. She's like, "Who the fuck is that?"

Joe Rogan 10:38 "Who are you?"

Jim Norton 10:38 And I'm like, "It's fucking Anthony."

Joe Rogan 10:40 (laughs)

Jim Norton 10:40 I'm like, "I have a code word for Anthony in case I ever lose my phone." So I had to run up into the bathroom and just, like, my fingers were shaking, and change it to Anthony, and then I came in 15 minutes later. I'm like, "See, it's Anthony." But it was... By then, it was like-

Joe Rogan 10:51 Hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee.

Jim Norton 10:51 ... "You blew it, Jim. You got caught." So I don't connect anything.

Joe Rogan 10:55 Ugh.

Jim Norton 10:55 Even though I don't, I'm not, you know, fucking anybody else, I still don't c-... I don't trust it. I don't, I don't connect anything to my car.

Joe Rogan 11:01 Well, your phone is listening anyway. Mine is for sure. Mine, I, I've come to grips with the fact that everything that I text is getting read.

Jim Norton 11:08 Probably. Um-

Joe Rogan 11:09 100%. No, no questions.

Jim Norton 11:11 Through the ads?

Joe Rogan 11:12 Including, like, stuff that's on Signal. You know, Tucker told me that. He said that the Sig-... They found his, uh... The government knew that he was gonna meet Putin 'cause they read his Signal. And he's like, "I didn't even know that that was possible."

Jim Norton 11:26 Yeah, um, is that the one that they got, they got caught using in the Defense chat?

Joe Rogan 11:29 Yeah.

Jim Norton 11:30 The Signal? How-

Joe Rogan 11:31 But that was because there was another guy in the Signal chat that I think someone let in the Signal chat on purpose.

Jim Norton 11:37 Was it on purpose, or do you think it was one of those things where you fuck up and you just... Like, you know how you, you'll send something and a, and a, and a, and a predictive text, like, name comes up? And you just hit... Like, if I'm gonna text you and I accidentally... J-O, and all of a sudden it's-

Joe Rogan 11:48 Joe DeRosa.

Jim Norton 11:49 ... it's, it's Joe DeRosa comes up.

Joe Rogan 11:50 Right, right.

Jim Norton 11:51 Yeah. And I, I just send him...

Joe Rogan 11:52 I've done that before, but this was a giant group of people that are in the Defense Department.... how do you include a reporter in that?

Jim Norton 11:59 That's a terrible mistake.

Joe Rogan 12:01 That doesn't make any sense.

Jim Norton 12:02 My ex-publicist was badmouthing me to somebody, and she actually sent it to me by mistake. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:06 (laughs)

Jim Norton 12:07 I was like-

Joe Rogan 12:07 What, what did she say about you? (laughs)

Jim Norton 12:08 It wasn't an overt. It was one of those things where we weren't working together anymore, and I was doing, uh, Neal Brennan's podcast. And, uh, like you know blocks, where you, you, you talk about all these things that blocked? And I, and she said something about like, "Oh, well, Norton's on three blocks already, no shock." It was just, it was some comment that was not complimentary.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Tee-hee-hee.

Jim Norton 12:26 And, uh, and then it was like, "Oh, sorry, I meant that for him." (laughs) And I just kinda left it there.

Joe Rogan 12:30 (laughs)

Jim Norton 12:30 I'm like, "I got it. I knew, I knew you didn't like me, that's why I left you." Your own publicist hates your guts, it's a fucking-

Joe Rogan 12:36 Oh, publicists can be a, such a problem. They're-

Jim Norton 12:38 And you're-

Joe Rogan 12:38 ... so incompatible with people that are wild.

Jim Norton 12:42 Yes, because all they wanna do is, th- th- they have to paint it in a way that's palatable to everybody. Like, I understand that, that it's a hard job, and you have some fucking asshole who's out trying to get laid, and-

Joe Rogan 12:52 Especially like a guy like you, or someone who says wild things, you know, you, it's like, that's part of the fun of being you.

Jim Norton 12:59 Yes, but it also comes back, and it, it's, it's, it's a... Here's where it's negative. I do on, on YouTube, I have the podcast, and I'm trying to do podcast ads. I've never, you know, I'd never put ads on YouTube before. But I'm like, "It doesn't buy you views, it just puts it like, where people will see it, and if they like it, they click on it." Every one of my ads gets shot down. Uh, they, they accused me of election advertising in the United States. I, I put up an ad, and they said, "This violates election advertising," and they, and I didn't even know how to respond to that.

Joe Rogan 13:26 What was the ad?

Jim Norton 13:27 Uh, it, it might've been a Geo- uh, I had George Santos on, but it was, it was just a funny podcast.

Joe Rogan 13:32 That guy's hilarious.

Jim Norton 13:33 Dude, he was fucking, he told me how bad, uh, he, uh, Jerry Nadler smelled. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:38 (laughs)

Jim Norton 13:38 'Cause I asked him who had the worst breath in Congress, and he wouldn't answer, but he told me the worst body odor was Jerry Nadler. It was just funny.

Joe Rogan 13:43 That's funny.

Jim Norton 13:44 He's just funny.

Joe Rogan 13:44 He's a character.

Jim Norton 13:45 He is.

Joe Rogan 13:46 It's just amazing that he was a congressman.

Jim Norton 13:48 I know. I, I have a real affection... You know how it is when you meet somebody? It's like, i- i- they're, they're always more human when you meet them, and it's harder to not like somebody.

Joe Rogan 13:56 Of course. Of course.

Jim Norton 13:56 Like, I don't agree with Lauren Boebert, but I met her and she couldn't have been nicer, and I'm like, "I can't dislike her. She was nice to me." You know?

Joe Rogan 14:00 Right, right.

Jim Norton 14:01 So whenever you meet someone, and I had him over, and he was great. He was funny. Some, a sense of humor about himself, and he was shit-talking and catty, and-

Joe Rogan 14:09 Yeah.

Jim Norton 14:09 ... I was like, "Fuck, I love this guy." But they accused me of election advertising. So now, so many times I've tried to put ads after, and they continually say it's either shocking content or election advertising. So-

Joe Rogan 14:19 Oh, they're just targeting you. Yeah.

Jim Norton 14:20 They're just targeting me. And it's like, how are you supposed to advertise comedy-

Joe Rogan 14:23 Yeah.

Jim Norton 14:23 ... with, with some profanity in it, if it's shocking content, so...

Joe Rogan 14:26 How was that a lecture? I mean, he's not even running for anything.

Jim Norton 14:29 And it wasn't, it wasn't a political, uh, rally podcast at all. It was just us talking about what happened. And we chatted politics, but I don't, I don't push political views on people.

Joe Rogan 14:39 They've got you labeled right wing, which is kinda funny.

Jim Norton 14:43 It's not, it, it really is-

Joe Rogan 14:44 It is so funny.

Jim Norton 14:45 And the, people don't know what to, like the conservatives, it's so funny. People come see me from Gutfeld. 'Cause I do Gutfeld a lot, and, and his people will come see me, and it's just fun when I talk about my wife to watch the joy drain out of their faces. Like, "Oh."

Joe Rogan 14:56 (laughs) They find out it's a trans woman.

Jim Norton 14:58 Oh, we had no idea. That's not the type of Tucker we like, buddy.

Joe Rogan 15:03 Ah. (laughs)

Jim Norton 15:04 (laughs) They get very, uh, it's a very weird place to be.

Joe Rogan 15:07 Yeah.

Jim Norton 15:07 People who like my humor don't necessarily like my personal life. And people who like my personal life don't necessarily like my humor. It's a weird... I guess-

Joe Rogan 15:15 Right.

Jim Norton 15:15 ... if, if nobody feels like you are 100% in, in with them, they, they don't know what to make of you.

Joe Rogan 15:21 Well, you were saying that about Oliver Anthony, and, that I wasn't aware of, that he was getting in trouble apparently right after Richmond, North of Richmond came out, that people were saying he wasn't really conservative.

Jim Norton 15:32 Yeah, they, they were giving him shit about, saying like, "Oh, he's not who we thought he was." Meanwhile, he writes this great song, and people love it. And they, they, they look at his art and they love his art. But because he feels a little bit differently, they, a lot of people turned on him. And it was like, "What, what are you giving shit?"

Joe Rogan 15:46 I wasn't even aware of that at all.

Jim Norton 15:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:48 I didn't know, what... Uh, do you know what the subject was?

Jim Norton 15:52 I don't remember if they, if he had said something after it, or if they went back and found other things he had said prior that they felt like his politics didn't line up. It's almost like when they got mad about, uh, uh, uh, fucking, uh, Dylan Mulvaney. Like, n- needing to connect to the belief system of somebody who drinks the same beverage is just such fucking psychotic.

Joe Rogan 16:13 (laughs) It's so stupid.

Jim Norton 16:13 Then ag- then again, I've drank piss, so I don't expect a whole lot of people to line up politically and rally behind me with fucking yellow flags.

Joe Rogan 16:20 (laughs)

Jim Norton 16:20 But I don't... (laughs) I just don't care. I don't give a fuck. I don't care who, who believes it or like, I don't care like, what the, uh... I, I mean, I'm a, I'm a fucking Sabbath fan. I don't give a shit who those guys vote for. It's, it's so...

Joe Rogan 16:32 Right. So stupid.

Jim Norton 16:34 ... inconsequential to me.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Yeah. Well, it's just a s- a symptom of this bizarrely disconnected society, where everybody's so separated.

Jim Norton 16:43 It is. And you gotta, it's gotta be driving you crazy. Or, or maybe you detach from it, 'cause you see things. I mean, I know you, so I'll see them say, like, "He's this right wing." And I'm like, "Do you guys really know Joe?" It's like they don't... To see yourself painted in such a way has gotta be at one point frustrating, and then you have to just let it go, right, and just go with it?

Joe Rogan 16:59 Yeah, you gotta let it go. But when, when I... I mean, the most frustrating thing was seeing it on CNN. I was like, "Okay, you, so this thing that I thought was the news forever"-

Jim Norton 17:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:08 ... "now I know you're not accurate at all, 'cause you're, you're attacking me. And you're painting me in this very bizarre light because it's convenient for you."

Jim Norton 17:17 There is a weird thing. And maybe this is again, 'cause I'm in my 50s, and I remember like, thinking the news was real and accurate. 'Cause I'm, you know, remember Walter Cronkite and all that shit.

Joe Rogan 17:26 Yeah.

Jim Norton 17:27 And it's, I, it's this constant sense of disappointment, like, "Fuck." Like, they're really not what I... Like, I'm still an idiot-

Joe Rogan 17:34 No.

Jim Norton 17:34 ... who believes in like, the, the adults and they're gonna do the right thing.

Joe Rogan 17:37 Yeah.

Jim Norton 17:37 And it just constantly is a confirmation that, yeah, they are, they're liars. They're fucking biased liars.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Yeah, and they're paid to lie. They're just propagandists. That, that's what the news, the mainstream news is. I mean, there is real news now.

Jim Norton 17:50 Sure.

Joe Rogan 17:50 You can get the real news from Glenn Greenwald. You can get the real news from Matt Taibbi. There's a few people out there that'll give you unbiased news.But it's so funny, like, even them, you know, when they will highlight a very particular thing that maybe Trump did or someone did on the right and everybody attacks them. It's like, do, do you want them to lie?

Jim Norton 18:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Just 'cause y- you want your team to be infallible? Like, what do you, what do you want?

Jim Norton 18:13 And Glenn Greenwald. I, I had never heard of him. I, I don't really follow a lot of, like, what people are saying. I don't watch debates. But I obviously heard about him when that vi- video came out, and I saw, uh... And I loved how he handled that.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Yeah, he handled it great.

Jim Norton 18:26 Like, privacy invasions are so fucking disgusting.

Joe Rogan 18:28 Right.

Jim Norton 18:29 They're disgusting when they're done to anybody. I don't care how much you hate the guy's gut. But I was, I was like, "I don't even know who this guy is, but I like how he addressed that." Like, "Yeah, it's my private life and tough shit." Y- I, I kind of-

Joe Rogan 18:39 Yeah.

Jim Norton 18:39 I liked that he handled that, I thought, very, very, uh-

Joe Rogan 18:43 Yeah.

Jim Norton 18:43 He t- took it head on and...

Joe Rogan 18:44 Well, Jon Ronson talked about that in his book, You've Been Publicly Shamed.

Jim Norton 18:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:48 You know, like, if you're not ashamed, then it doesn't work. And that's the reality of it. And Glenn handled it perfectly. He's not ashamed.

Jim Norton 18:55 Yeah. A- or d- well, you can't let them see you're ashamed, 'cause I'm, you know-

Joe Rogan 18:58 Right.

Jim Norton 18:58 I wake up just dipped in it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:01 (laughs)

Jim Norton 19:02 I (laughs) fucking... It's the first thing I think of. Good morning, shame.

Joe Rogan 19:05 (laughs) But that's... You're open about it, though. I mean, that's the thing. It's like they can't really attack you for something that you're attacking yourself for.

Jim Norton 19:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:12 You know?

Jim Norton 19:12 And if you tell them... Like, I did something, I, like, I, I, it's so, it's so... I watched... I, my special premiered, and I went into YouTube, and I watched it with people as they were watching, and just commenting and talking. And this horrible feeling of shame. Even when people are being nice, I can't get away from how embarrassed I am. A- like, w- it's almost like when people see you doing something, you're like, "Oh, Jimmy's trying. Look at little Jimmy trying."

Joe Rogan 19:36 Yeah.

Jim Norton 19:38 And I was typing back and everything, but it was... It's so anti- what feels good for me-

Joe Rogan 19:43 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 19:44 ... to do. Even when people are being nice, I find it horrifying and humiliating.

Joe Rogan 19:48 Yeah.

Jim Norton 19:48 I, I don't know where that comes from, but I kind of wish I didn't have it.

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Jim Norton 21:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:23 ... your way of when you're trying to sell it a little too much and you're not in the moment.

Jim Norton 21:28 Ah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:28 You know? Like, there's all the grossness that you see that other people aren't gonna see where you're like, "Ew."

Jim Norton 21:34 It's fucking-

Joe Rogan 21:35 I hate watching myself. Fucking hate it.

Jim Norton 21:36 Dude, it was so hard. It was so hard not to just attack myself in the chat. Like-

Joe Rogan 21:40 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 21:40 All I wanted to do was watch it and go, "This fucking blue sucks."

Joe Rogan 21:43 Boo, boo. (laughs)

Jim Norton 21:44 (laughs) But I'm like, "Nice, nice blinking, 56-year-old."

Joe Rogan 21:49 (laughs)

Jim Norton 21:50 (laughs) But I didn't do it. I'm like, "Don't be a fucking..." I think it was Jay Oakerson who was doing something, and he did this special and he shot it at Skankfest one year. And I think Louis took him out and they, they were looking at the stage before. And it was one of those guys like, you know, Jay is just like, "Oh, he's a fucking... Ugh, fucking..." And I think Louis goes, "You know, sometimes I know we're like that, but you just gotta enjoy it." Like, once... And I thought of that. I'm like, "Sometimes just enjoy things are going okay."

Joe Rogan 22:12 Yeah.

Jim Norton 22:12 You're happy with what you did.

Joe Rogan 22:14 Yeah.

Jim Norton 22:14 I love the special. I love the material. Don't put yourself in a position where you're like, "You fucking su-" Like, it doesn't have to be that way.

Joe Rogan 22:20 I feel like just put it out there and walk away from it. Leave it alone. Let people decide what they decide.

Jim Norton 22:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:26 And if you don't like it, you just work on the next one and make sure that you don't make the same mistakes twice.

Jim Norton 22:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:33 That's it. That's all you can do.

Jim Norton 22:34 But I spend a lot of time... Like, I, I, I wouldn't... I've, I don't think I've ever loved anything as I put it out. This I like more, but the older you get, the better you get. So it's like a little easier now than it was.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Yeah.

Jim Norton 22:43 The first Tonight Show I did, uh, was 2004. And I, I was out in LA and I... It was my buddy, Joey Silvera, who worked for Evil Angel and would film a lot of the greatest porn. Joey was a fucking... You'd recognize him if you saw him. He was in old movies. So I went to his house to watch my first Tonight Show-

Joe Rogan 22:58 (laughs)

Jim Norton 22:59 ... (laughs) with, with another guy. This other guy, Brandon Irons. Um, and, uh, I went into the basement while they watched it upstairs. I couldn't watch it in front of other people.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Oh, that's hilarious.

Jim Norton 23:08 It was just... And it's not to be... 'Cause I think I'm an art-... It's just humiliating.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Right.

Jim Norton 23:11 It's fucking... It's embarrassing to me-

Joe Rogan 23:13 Yeah.

Jim Norton 23:14 ... 'cause y- I feel like people... I'm like, "G- good, are you gonna laugh?" Like, I just, I don't want people to feel pressured to laugh-

Joe Rogan 23:18 Right.

Jim Norton 23:19 ... because I'm around. Um...

Joe Rogan 23:21 It's weird. It's weird watching yourself.

Jim Norton 23:23 Some guys can do it, though.

Joe Rogan 23:24 Yeah, they're psychos.

Jim Norton 23:25 They are fucking psychopaths.

Joe Rogan 23:27 (laughs) They're probably n- not healthy.

Jim Norton 23:29 Oh my God, dude. The fucking-

Joe Rogan 23:31 (laughs)

Jim Norton 23:31 Do you know what mental illness you need to sit someone down next to you when your special's playing? "Shh."

Joe Rogan 23:34 But how about people that want you to watch their thing and they wanna sit there with you? Like, "Hey, watch this." And you're like, "I don't, I don't wanna, I don't wanna watch this."

Jim Norton 23:42 I, it's, it's, it's... It puts you in a weird... If I, if I do an acting role, I don't love acting, um, which is great 'cause nobody loves when I do it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:49 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 23:49 It works out nicely. But if I do something I like, I have to see it first and I have to watch it and go, "Okay, I'm not embarrassed by this. I can go and watch it in a, in a premiere." Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I, I-

Joe Rogan 23:58 Right.

Jim Norton 23:58 But I have to see it first-

Joe Rogan 24:00 Right.

Jim Norton 24:00 ... to know if I'm gonna feel humiliated. Uh...... the Irishman I didn't see first. Obviously, Scorsese's not gonna send me a fucking cut. And I didn't know I made it until, like, literally the, the night before. But that was different, 'cause I'm like, "I don't care how, whatever." It was just, it was a standup performance, so-

Joe Rogan 24:14 Right, right, right. Yeah.

Jim Norton 24:15 ... a little bit easier than-

Joe Rogan 24:16 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 24:16 ... acting. It's humiliating.

Joe Rogan 24:18 Yeah, it's gross. I don't like any of it. I, I went, I've been in a couple movies, I've refused to go to the red carpet. I sneak in through the back. And I'm like, they were like, "I want you to walk the red carpet." But I'm like, "Nope." Nope.

Jim Norton 24:29 Is it because you don't like, 'cause everyone would talk to you. I'm afraid no one's gonna talk to me on the red carpet.

Joe Rogan 24:33 (laughs)

Jim Norton 24:33 Like, it's, it's... Do you know how embarrassing it is when you, you hear that person who walks you through in the front and, like, you're, you're standing there ready for your moment and you hear they're going, "Oh, Jim Norton." And then one, you'll hear a second and then she goes, "Jim Norton, he's a comedian." Then it's like, "Oh, fuck, they have no idea who I am."

Joe Rogan 24:50 Uh...

Jim Norton 24:50 It's just humiliating. So I don't like doing it, man. But I'll do it.

Joe Rogan 24:53 I just don't like the attention. I don't like standing there while they take pictures, just standing there, just looking around. "Look at me, Joe. Look at me. Look at me."

Jim Norton 25:01 Oh, yeah. "Over here, over here."

Joe Rogan 25:02 Some, some people love it.

Jim Norton 25:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:04 Actresses love it. They pose, they let, like, give you their good side.

Jim Norton 25:09 Yeah. Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:11 Give you a little bit of practice in the mirror. Ugh.

Jim Norton 25:14 But I almost understand act-

Joe Rogan 25:16 Ugh.

Jim Norton 25:16 I have more tolerance for actors who love it because even though they're as big of, uh, you know, attention idiots as we are, they don't get the constant feedback. Like, for them, it's their night of feedback.

Joe Rogan 25:26 Right. Right.

Jim Norton 25:27 Whereas with us, we're like, I mean, ev- I've been on a run for, like, four nights. Before I came here actually, at the Cellar, I had four, like, shit nights in a row, just... Um, all the material I'm doing now is new, so it's like, I'm trying this, and, you know, it just feels like you're Frankensteining it.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Yeah.

Jim Norton 25:40 It's not there yet. Uh, but I know I'm gonna have another night, and another night, and it's, and, and that comes and goes quickly. But actors, they have, like, one night to stand there and smile, and then they just get attacked in the fucking, in the comments or in the reviews.

Joe Rogan 25:53 Yeah.

Jim Norton 25:53 So I'm a little more tolerant of them than comedians who... 'Cause comedians who love that, it's like how much fucking attention do you need, dude?

Joe Rogan 25:59 Yeah, yeah. No.

Jim Norton 26:00 You constantly get feedback.

Joe Rogan 26:02 Yeah. You should be shying away from feedback. Too much feedback is bad for you.

Jim Norton 26:07 Do-

Joe Rogan 26:07 I really believe that.

Jim Norton 26:07 ... a hundred percent, and I stopped, I, I stopped reading Twitter comments. Occasionally I'll do it now, and it wasn't just to say I wasn't reading them. It was because even positive feedback, I call... I'm like, "You needy fuck."

Joe Rogan 26:18 (laughs)

Jim Norton 26:18 How much, how much, you know, uh, how many taps on the shoulder do you need? How many, like, uh, "Good job, Jim," or "You suck, J-" Like, how much interaction from people do you need? It's not normal. It's not healthy.

Joe Rogan 26:30 I stopped reading almost everything, even stuff that's not me, and I stopped a couple weeks ago. I just stopped going on social media. I will occasionally, if someone sends me something funny, I'll watch it. But then I get off my phone right away.

Jim Norton 26:43 Do you-

Joe Rogan 26:43 I, I just... And I think on my new phone number that I'm gonna get, I'm not gonna have any social media. I'm just gonna keep my old phone number and only use that for social media. I just don't think it's good for you.

Jim Norton 26:52 It's not. And while- though there's times, like my algorithm, I g- I'm, I'm obsessed with... I think we talked about this, well, just Japanese hornets and a lot of MMA. Like, my algorithm is healthier now than it would be. Uh, there's still a few things that will pop up, um, that, you know, show what I've been looking at. Like, if my wife is next to me, she'll see what I'm looking at. I'm like, "Oh, no, it's just," you know. You know how it is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:10 Yeah.

Jim Norton 27:11 You go down a rabbit hole you probably shouldn't go down. But it's not as unhealthy as it would've been at one point. Like, a lot of it is just MMA stuff, and, and, and animals and nice shit.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Yeah, I get a lot of that. A lot of it is people getting knocked out. A lot.

Jim Norton 27:23 You like the knocked out?

Joe Rogan 27:24 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 27:24 I like watching jujitsu tips.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Yeah.

Jim Norton 27:26 'Cause then I'll bring them in and ask, ask the guy to show me. Like, like, "How do you... Is it possible to do this?" And he'll kinda show me, and I'll just forget it. But it's, it's fun.

Joe Rogan 27:34 Yeah, I've got a lot of that too. But it's just, I just think it's a giant waste of time. And it's also, your brain needs time to just think, and you need time to just be in your own head and think about your own thoughts and trying to formulate them properly. Really, like, get an under- Like, "Why do I think this way? Why, what is, what is it about this that is d- that, that I've decided is correct?"

Jim Norton 27:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:56 And roll it around. And when you're constantly looking at other peoples' thoughts, I just don't think it gives you much time for that.

Jim Norton 28:02 That's exactly it. Why do I think what I think?

Joe Rogan 28:05 Yeah.

Jim Norton 28:06 Like... Hitchens did a great speech. It was in Toronto, about free speech. And one of the things he was talking about is when somebody says something that you don't agree with. And I think the example he gave was Holocaust denial. He goes, "You have to protect that person's speech," because e- e- if nothing else, it makes you examine, "Okay, well, how do I know what I know?"

Joe Rogan 28:24 Yes.

Jim Norton 28:24 "How do I know other than someone told me?" Like, you have to kind of examine how you come to your own conclusions. And I do that a lot, like in the shower, I'll just kinda stand there. It's really, like we all have a weird showering method. I just kinda stand there with my hands like this. It's bizarre.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Uh-huh.

Jim Norton 28:38 It's like womb-like. And I just stand there and I think, or I go through arguments, or I go through conversations or debates. Um, and that's the one time I really get to, to think during the day, where I don't let-

Joe Rogan 28:49 Yeah.

Jim Norton 28:49 ... anything else interfere. But being off social media is probably a lot healthier. Just, again, it's other peoples' thoughts. Who ca- I don't care what people think. I don't know why I read it.

Joe Rogan 28:57 Well, I care what people think, but I don't care enough to have it intervene and invade my thoughts all day long. I mean, I'm fascinated by people, but I like to talk to them for real, for real, like this.

Jim Norton 29:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:10 This is like, you know... Because I, I think that's also having a podcast and having what I think is the best way to communicate with people, and to be able, to be so lucky to be able to do it all the time. I think I get plenty of other peoples' input.

Jim Norton 29:24 Right. And you get the, the real opinions-

Joe Rogan 29:26 Yeah.

Jim Norton 29:26 ... and you get to f- You sense a... In a room with a person, again, it's, it's, it's harder to dislike or to, or to caricature somebody when you've met them-

Joe Rogan 29:34 Right.

Jim Norton 29:34 ... and when you've actually sat with them. It's like, "No, I, I know this person." I kinda felt their energy, and it's like, "Yeah, they're just a regular person." It's easy when you look at somebody to hate their guts. Um...

Joe Rogan 29:44 Yeah.

Jim Norton 29:44 And I've bashed a few people. It was always so embarrassing. We would do Jocktober, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 29:49 Yeah.

Jim Norton 29:49 ... you know, OA never went into other peoples' studios. But I would, and I'd be on the road. And it was the fucking... I was in Boston with Kenny one time, and he's like, "Uh, they're having you in, but you Jocktober'd them?" And I was like, "Oh." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:02 (laughs)

Jim Norton 30:03 So I went in and, uh, you know, you- you- you just go. They're like, "Yeah, you really, uh..." And I'm like, "Ah, man, it was just something we do." But you have, you face it and you realize-

Joe Rogan 30:11 Yeah.

Jim Norton 30:11 ... they were nice guys. It was just-

Joe Rogan 30:12 Yeah.

Jim Norton 30:13 ... it's a dumb radio show. I had fun. And I've actually become friendly with a couple of guys who we used to attack. But you only get that through meeting somebody and actually talking to them-

Joe Rogan 30:20 Right.

Jim Norton 30:20 ... one-on-one.

Joe Rogan 30:21 The mo- the worst is when you meet someone and you have a conversation with them and you're cool. You think, "Oh, we're good." And then they'll go and talk shit about you somewhere else and completely mischaracterize you.

Jim Norton 30:31 Have you had that?

Joe Rogan 30:31 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've had that. Yeah, that's embarrassing. It's sad.

Jim Norton 30:36 It feels bad.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Yeah, well, it's just like, "Okay, well, I'll never talk to you again 'cause I know that you do this now." 'Cause-

Jim Norton 30:42 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 30:43 Yeah. And, but it's also, it's like, why are you doing that? G- g- generally, it's when I had a conversation with them and it didn't go well for them.

Jim Norton 30:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:50 So they'll, then they just harbor that thing, and then they just fucking stew it in their head. And then they just mischaracterize you and try to twist you around, 'cause they're trying to win-

Jim Norton 31:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:00 ... this argument they already lost.

Jim Norton 31:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:02 You know? It's like, you know when you get in an argument, you- you didn't have anything to say.

Jim Norton 31:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:05 And then you're in the shower, like, "Ah, I should've said this."

Jim Norton 31:07 Uh-huh. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:08 "Ah, I should've said that."

Jim Norton 31:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:09 Well, they're just doing that, and they're just going and doing that on another podcast.

Jim Norton 31:12 Yes, re- relitigating-

Joe Rogan 31:14 Yes.

Jim Norton 31:15 ... what the jury has already come in on. Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:17 Yes.

Jim Norton 31:17 Uh, and it's human instinct to do. I also think sometimes people do it and they don't think you're gonna see it.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Right.

Jim Norton 31:23 Like, especially when you're, you're, you know, you have such a high level of, like, recognition, that if somebody... They're probably like, "Ah, he'll never see this, and I can just..." And then you see it, and they're probably like, "Ugh."

Joe Rogan 31:31 Yeah.

Jim Norton 31:31 "Uh, I shouldn't have said that."

Joe Rogan 31:33 Yeah.

Jim Norton 31:33 But I've read things that hurt my feelings, and I'm like, "Why would you say that?" Like...

Joe Rogan 31:35 Yeah. I don't-

Jim Norton 31:37 I was nice to you.

Joe Rogan 31:38 I don't know. It's weird. It's like, you know, humans are so strange. We're so strange in our weird little quirks and the way we communicate with each other, and what is truth? What's real? Who are you? You know? Who are you... You're different every day.

Jim Norton 31:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:53 You- you're different depending on how your day went, you know? Your reaction to something is... I remember one time, this guy wasn't paying attention. Traffic was stopped, and he rear-ended me. And he didn't have a license. He was from Mexico. But I had been doing yoga, like, every day, and I was like, "You okay?" And he's like, "Yeah, I'm okay." I'm like, "All right, man." And I go, "Why don't you have a license?" He's like, "I can't get a license." I go- I go, "Well, so why are you driving?" He's like, "I gotta work." I go, "All right, I get it." I wasn't mad at him-

Jim Norton 32:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 ... but it was 'cause I was doing yoga, like, every day. We were doing this hot yoga challenge, Ari and Tom and Bert and I.

Jim Norton 32:27 I remember that.

Joe Rogan 32:28 S- we were doing it, like, I was doing yoga, like, every day. So I was so calm. I was like, "Okay, well, take care of yourself. I'm gonna get outta here." 'Cause his car was fucked. My car was fucked, but it was f- it was drivable.

Jim Norton 32:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:39 It was a Porsche. Like, it was a really nice car.

Jim Norton 32:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:42 And he had, like, this fucking shitty-

Jim Norton 32:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:43 ... Honda, and he, but, you know, the way he broke, like when you break, your- your front end dives down.

Jim Norton 32:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:50 And so he kinda got under my car and lifted my car up a little bit, and caved in my back bumper a little bit. But they just replaced the bar and the engine wasn't fucked, and my exhaust was dented a little bit. His car was fucked. He couldn't drive. So he gotta be there when the cops came, and then, you know, he couldn't drive away.

Jim Norton 33:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:07 And I was like, "I don't know what to..." Uh, "I'm gonna get outta here."

Jim Norton 33:09 Oh, you just left? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:10 Yeah. I was like, "He doesn't have any money." Like, "I'll, I'm gonna pay for this."

Jim Norton 33:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 33:14 And I'm like, "This isn't gonna hurt me. I have the money to fix it. So all right, take care, man."

Jim Norton 33:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:18 "Glad you're okay."

Jim Norton 33:19 Being zen like that, like w- w- 'cause it reminds me of a... I was leaving the Lincoln, the Holland Tunnel with Karen Feehan. We were doing a gig in Jersey. It was bumper to bumper. And I came, uh, you know, so there was a, th- that merge where you think you're never gonna get out of it. And a guy stopped, and he goes, "You hit my car." And I'm like, "I know I didn't hit his car." But he made us, uh, it was bumper to bumper. I'm like, "Let's just talk on the other side of the tunnel." Like, "Let's get outta this fuck..." 'Cause I was gonna be late for the gig. And he goes, "No, we're gonna pull over and wait for the police." So I'm like, "Oh, this piece of shit is trying to shake me down."

Joe Rogan 33:50 Yeah.

Jim Norton 33:51 So we wound up, uh, one of those awful traffic women was there. You know, the- the- the people that just, uh, they work for the city and they dress like cops but they're not cops.

Joe Rogan 33:58 Right.

Jim Norton 33:58 But if you assault one of them, it's like a big deal. So y- uh, we pulled over and- and I said, "Is it okay if we just trade licenses?" And she went, "Yeah, just trade licenses." Which I think kind of shamed him into, like, letting us move on.

Joe Rogan 34:09 Oh.

Jim Norton 34:09 Otherwise, he was gonna have me fucking held up there, or- or pay him on the...

Joe Rogan 34:12 So you didn't hit his car at all?

Jim Norton 34:15 Karen said I didn't. It was a merge, and if I did, it was a one-mile-an-hour bump. But there was no mark on his car at all. I think the whole thing was a scam, 'cause we traded licenses-

Joe Rogan 34:24 Ah.

Jim Norton 34:24 ... and I never heard from the guy.

Joe Rogan 34:25 You ever seen that thing where people get in front of people's cars and slam on the brakes?

Jim Norton 34:28 It's, I've seen it.

Joe Rogan 34:30 Oh.

Jim Norton 34:30 And it, uh, I mean, uh, it- it's terrible. And, uh, the best is when you have a dash cam.

Joe Rogan 34:34 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 34:34 And then you see them, th- they recognize the dash cam, and then they just scurry back into their cars.

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Jim Norton 36:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:13 And she's on the phone, "Oh my God, these people just backed up into me." And then they got outta the car, and they're like, "What did you do? What did you do?" And then they saw the dash cam, like, "Ah, fuck."

Jim Norton 36:21 Yeah. I've seen that.

Joe Rogan 36:22 And they all got arrested.

Jim Norton 36:23 I think that's the one I'm referring to, where-

Joe Rogan 36:24 Yeah.

Jim Norton 36:24 ... where they, uh, d- did they scurry back into the car and take off.

Joe Rogan 36:26 Yep, yep.

Jim Norton 36:28 ... when I saw, like, I'm so cynical. Like people in Philly, you gotta love people in Philly, like if a bus hits something, there's like locals that will just run up and just lay next to the bus-

Joe Rogan 36:36 (laughs)

Jim Norton 36:36 ... like they were in the fucking accident. Which is, I get it, you know what I mean? But they forget that there's cameras everywhere.

Joe Rogan 36:41 Right.

Jim Norton 36:41 And they can just see you walking up. But this India Air, Air India plane crash, I would, my first thought was that this guy they said survived, I'm like, "Oh, he's bullshitting. He didn't."

Joe Rogan 36:49 Right.

Jim Norton 36:49 "He's faking it. Um."

Joe Rogan 36:50 No, he survived.

Jim Norton 36:50 But he did survive. Yeah, 'cause he said-

Joe Rogan 36:52 One guy.

Jim Norton 36:52 ... his brother was on the plane or something.

Joe Rogan 36:55 11A, seat 11A.

Jim Norton 36:56 And by the way, to all the people who are gonna now look for 11A, stop.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Yeah, stop.

Jim Norton 37:01 It's, if, if anything else, that's the last seat you should take.

Joe Rogan 37:03 Usually it's the back where you're best off.

Jim Norton 37:06 Yeah, I wonder if the plane broke open and he just got... (exhales) There's a woman who, who was a, I think she was a teenager when it happened, it was called the woman who, The Girl Who Fell From The Sky. And she had apparently, they were like two miles up, and her, the plane blew up whatever, and it came apart, and she fell two miles, somehow survived. The sole survivor-

Joe Rogan 37:23 She hit a barn, right? Didn't she hit, go through the roof of a barn or something?

Jim Norton 37:26 No, she fell into the, uh, what are they called? The, uh, the fucking, uh, the, the rainforest. Uh-

Joe Rogan 37:33 Oh, the Amazon in Brazil?

Jim Norton 37:33 The Amazon. She fell into the Amazon, was gone for ten days.

Joe Rogan 37:37 Whoa.

Jim Norton 37:37 Apparently, again, unless I was bullshit, they said she found an old boat with gas and she had to pour that on one of her wounds to kill the maggots. Um...

Joe Rogan 37:44 Whoa.

Jim Norton 37:45 And then she finally did get out and get rescued. And, uh...

Joe Rogan 37:49 Look at this.

Jim Norton 37:49 Juliana-

Joe Rogan 37:50 "Seventeen-year-old girl miraculously survived falling 10,000 feet from a plane then surviving 11 days." Isn't 10,000 feet, isn't that two miles? No, what's a mile?

Jim Norton 37:58 Yeah, it's about two miles.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Two miles?

Jim Norton 38:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:01 Jesus Christ, you imagine falling two miles from a plane? She survived 11 days alone in the Peruvian Amazon rainforest. After the plane she was on, she was struck by lightning.

Jim Norton 38:11 Jesus, I didn't read that part.

Joe Rogan 38:12 The plane was struck by lightning-

Jim Norton 38:13 Oh.

Joe Rogan 38:13 ... and disintegrated in the air. Still strapped to her seat, fell from the sky and survived. Holy shit, man.

Jim Norton 38:20 What did she hit though? Did she hit like a mountain and slide, like how do you... The impact, I don't know how you survive that impact.

Joe Rogan 38:27 Oh my God. She had a broken collarbone, a torn ligament, knee ligament. That's it.

Jim Norton 38:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 38:31 After the crash, she spent 11 days alone in the jungle before being rescued. She found a lumberjack camp. Wow.

Jim Norton 38:38 Yeah, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 38:40 Wow. She really, became a sus- uh, respected scientist, specializing in mammalogy and focusing on bats. Wouldn't it be funny if she was the lady who released COVID? (laughs)

Jim Norton 38:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:51 Because her memory's no good anymore after the plane crash. Ah, here, drink this.

Jim Norton 38:55 She's, you know she specialized on bats, and she got a job in Wuhan. She had no idea.

Joe Rogan 38:59 She had no idea. She's like, "Be free."

Jim Norton 39:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:02 Bit some guy selling fish on the corner, and he went home and fucked somebody.

Jim Norton 39:06 (laughs) Oh.

Joe Rogan 39:07 But there was another one too. There was a, a flight attendant, and again, who I think was trapped. The front of the plane fell, and I think that she was almost from 30,000 feet. And if I remember correctly, it hit a mountain and s- like it was almost like she hit it on the right angle and slid.

Jim Norton 39:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 39:23 Uh...

Jim Norton 39:23 There it is.

Joe Rogan 39:24 Yeah. Oh, yeah-

Jim Norton 39:25 The highest fall without a parachute in history. 33,000-foot plunge after a plane explosion in '72. She was the only survivor. Crashed into the mountains of Czechoslovakia after a suspected bomb detonated. Geez.

Narrator 39:38 I thought that while he fell that her parachute didn't open and she landed on a pile of ants, fire ants, and the fire ants kept her alive?

Joe Rogan 39:44 Right. Right.

Narrator 39:45 Shocked her body into-

Joe Rogan 39:46 Yeah. Somehow or another, the fire ants, the, the, the shock of the sting of fire ants kept her alive.

Jim Norton 39:52 Why? Did it slow her heart down or something? Or stop it from...

Joe Rogan 39:54 I don't know. No. What? Why? Imagine fall, the odds of falling into a fire ant pile? It's usually a bad thing to land, land in a mound of fire ants-

Jim Norton 40:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:01 ... at 80 miles an hour, but not if you're Joan Murphy. Oh, Joan Murray.

Jim Norton 40:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:05 14,000 feet right into a fucking pile. 50% chance of surviving a fall of 48 feet.

Jim Norton 40:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:13 Which is a four story building. Mortality rate rushes all the way up to 90 when you fa- fall 84 feet, the distance of a seven story building. So if you're falling from a whopping four- 14,500 feet, just over two and a half miles, you can safely bet you're almost definitely not going to get out alive. One woman did. So she fell, a backup parachute opened at 700 feet, quickly deflated. She continued to plummet towards the ground at 80 miles an hour. She survived ... There it goes. Um, she survived thanks to the fact that she landed directly on a mound of fire ants. Doctors believe the intense shock of being stung over 200 times by the ants released a surge of a adrenaline that kept her heart beating.

Jim Norton 40:56 Whoa. By the way, does that prove to you how little I know about the human body? My instinct said that, "Oh, your heart slows down." Like, I thought like, oh, maybe it would slow your heart down when they bit you, and it does just the opposite. I- I thought like maybe-

Joe Rogan 41:06 Woo.

Jim Norton 41:06 ... maybe it slows your beat down like being frozen.

Joe Rogan 41:09 I bet that's just a wild guess as to why it kept her alive, 'cause if she was putty, you know, there's no way it would've kept her alive.

Jim Norton 41:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:15 You know?

Jim Norton 41:16 May- maybe it stopped her heart from stop- Or maybe they got to her right after, too. You know, who knows?

Joe Rogan 41:20 (exhales)

Jim Norton 41:21 You ever watch that guy who fucking lets things bite him in the woods? Uh, Coyote something? You know, he's on fire and-

Joe Rogan 41:26 Yeah, Coyote Peterson. Yeah.

Jim Norton 41:27 He's a psychopath, but his stuff-

Joe Rogan 41:28 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 41:28 ... is very entertaining. But I think he said the bullet ant. The bullet ant or the Japanese hornet was, was the, the worst?

Joe Rogan 41:34 The bullet ant's supposed to be the worst. The bullet ant's supposed to be like 24 hours of intense pain. Yeah, my friend Steve got bit by one of those.

Jim Norton 41:41 On purpose or no?

Joe Rogan 41:42 No. He was in, uh, the Amazon. He got bit on his foot.

Jim Norton 41:46 And had, was it as bad as he said?

Joe Rogan 41:48 He, he said for hours it was just impossible. The pain was just impossible.

Jim Norton 41:52 Does that-

Joe Rogan 41:52 And then it slowly dissipated to like kind of manageable. You know?

Jim Norton 41:57 Is that the one where they put in the gloves?

Joe Rogan 41:59 Yeah.

Jim Norton 41:59 You ever see that one?

Joe Rogan 42:00 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 42:00 The, the, the tribe where they do that, and their hands are like blackened by bites?

Joe Rogan 42:03 Didn't Steve-O do that?

Narrator 42:04 Yep.

Jim Norton 42:04 Did he?

Joe Rogan 42:05 Yeah, yeah, he did that.

Narrator 42:06 He did it in The Boys.

Joe Rogan 42:06 Yeah, he put the gloves on.

Narrator 42:08 I didn't watch it.

Jim Norton 42:08 How long did he last?

Joe Rogan 42:10 Uh, well, once you get bit, it's a 24-hour experience.

Jim Norton 42:15 Yeah, I'm very squeamish. Insects, it's funny, the, the, I've never gotten over this insect. I think I saw a kid, uh, there was a brother and sister when I was a kid. We were all the same age. I think she was a year older than me and him were. And they were such a, such a bizarre little friendship, 'cause they used to pee their pants, and I would ask them to sit on my face with their pants. It was a really bizarre-

Joe Rogan 42:32 Jesus Christ. (laughs)

Jim Norton 42:32 Yeah, yeah, no, it was a very, it was a lovely childhood in good old Edison (laughs) good old Edison, New Jersey.... but I saw him get stung by yellow jackets. We-

Joe Rogan 42:40 Whoa, what is that?

Jim Norton 42:41 That's a-

Joe Rogan 42:42 That's the worst thing?

Narrator 42:43 Executioner wasp.

Joe Rogan 42:44 Ugh.

Narrator 42:45 What Coyote Peterson said it was worse than a bullet ant.

Joe Rogan 42:48 Oh, my God.

Jim Norton 42:49 Watching a guy run-

Narrator 42:50 (laughs)

Jim Norton 42:50 ... with bees on his arms and screaming, I think that scarred me for the rest of my life with insect. We used to break up bees' nests and I'll never forget the sight of this kid running, "Ah," with just three yellow jackets on his arm, and I just... That stuck with me for, I guess, 49 years now, 50 years. It bothers me. I just can't... They, uh, weird... Insects have a very weird effect on people.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 43:12 Like, to be so skeeved out by something. It's like rats-

Joe Rogan 43:15 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 43:15 ... instead of, like, small bunnies don't bother you, but rats do. Maybe it's in the DNA or something, where it's supposed to bother you.

Joe Rogan 43:21 I think so, for sure. I think that's what ophidiophobia and arachnophobia comes from. You know, I th- I bet someone in your DNA, someone down the line was either killed by a, a spider or, like, really badly hurt by a spider, and it's just in your DNA to be absolutely terrified when you see a spider.

Jim Norton 43:38 What's a ph- what's a ph, uh, ophidiophobia? Snakes?

Joe Rogan 43:40 Oh. Some people just, they have it so bad, like they see snakes and they just fucking start panic, and they go, they have a panic attack, and they just can't handle it. Whereas other people, like I, I, I'm scared of snakes for sure-

Jim Norton 43:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:52 ... but, but I can look at 'em. You know, they don't freak me out.

Jim Norton 43:54 Can you hold 'em?

Joe Rogan 43:55 Yeah.

Jim Norton 43:56 Yeah, all right.

Joe Rogan 43:56 I can hold 'em, but I... You know, obviously I don't wanna be around 'em. Uh, they're, they're fucking serpents. They're literally in the Bible. (laughs)

Jim Norton 44:03 Yeah. (laughs)

Narrator 44:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:03 Yeah, the Bible does frown. The snake got a bad rap in the fucking Bible.

Jim Norton 44:06 (laughs)

Narrator 44:06 It's fucking Satan. Satan comes in the form of a certain...

Jim Norton 44:09 A certain-

Joe Rogan 44:09 A serpent, yeah.

Jim Norton 44:10 I k- I can hold one if I know it's not gonna... Like I, again, I have a, a healthy fear. Like i- if it's like-

Joe Rogan 44:15 Yeah.

Jim Norton 44:15 ... if it's, if, if it's... if I know it's, uh, a boa constrictor. Like that guy in the Greenwich Village who walks around with a giant yellow one. Which kind of creeps me, because if it was to really attack someone... I mean, I guess you'd have to kill it. There's nothing you can do.

Joe Rogan 44:28 Yeah.

Jim Norton 44:28 If it's a large boa constrictor.

Joe Rogan 44:30 There's not much you can do once it's around your neck. You need help, you know? They're very strong. I mean, they, they crush deer and swallow 'em whole.

Jim Norton 44:38 They do.

Joe Rogan 44:39 Yeah, I mean, you gotta, you gotta be a real special kind of fucking idiot to have one of those things as a pet, because you just have a monster as a pet, and as long as you feed that monster i-... But if you leave a baby in a room with a python, you come back a half an hour later, you're gonna have a fat python-

Jim Norton 44:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:55 ... and no baby.

Jim Norton 44:56 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 44:56 And it's just-

Jim Norton 44:57 And a nice, quiet night's sleep.

Joe Rogan 44:57 They don't give-

Jim Norton 44:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:58 ... a fuck. They're just like... They're... That's what they're there for. Nature has designed them to kill everything they can.

Jim Norton 45:04 I can't... Annie Letterman has a lot of snakes. Like, she has them as pets and her, her fiance has them. They have a ball-

Joe Rogan 45:09 That tracks.

Jim Norton 45:10 ... a room full of fucking (laughs) snakes-

Joe Rogan 45:12 (laughs)

Jim Norton 45:12 ... and I don't get it. I'm like, "They're not warm."

Joe Rogan 45:15 Yeah.

Jim Norton 45:15 Th- they don't have any recognition of you.

Joe Rogan 45:17 They're interesting, I guess.

Jim Norton 45:19 I guess, but I have a... We have a puppy and I've never owned a dog before, and it's like, it's nice to have. I don't like taking care of anything. I fucking... I don't have that instinct in me. I just don't like it. But this dog kind of, uh... I get why people like having a dog, like again.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Oh, I love dogs. If, if a... My wife only lets me have one, I have one dog. But if i- it was up to me, uh, I have... One point in time, I had five dogs.

Jim Norton 45:41 You did?

Joe Rogan 45:41 Yeah.

Jim Norton 45:42 Does he shit in the house?

Joe Rogan 45:43 No.

Jim Norton 45:44 Mine does a lot.

Joe Rogan 45:44 No. I mean, he does if eats things that are bad. He gets diarrhea, and he gets diarrhea (laughs) at least a couple times a year.

Jim Norton 45:49 Oh, he does?

Joe Rogan 45:50 Yeah, he's a dumbass. He's a golden retriever. He's not that smart. Like, he ate a turtle recently and he got horrible diarrhea, shit all over the place. He had little pieces of shell-

Jim Norton 45:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:00 ... stuck in his stomach. He had to go to the hospital.

Jim Norton 46:02 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 46:02 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, it was a nightmare. And he also ate gravel at one point. He ate five pounds of gravel, 'cause someone accidentally, uh, dropped some chicken food on the gravel, and he just assumed that the gravel was food, so he ate all the gravel. (laughs)

Jim Norton 46:15 It is crazy how nothing registers halfway through the gravel pile, that this is not-

Joe Rogan 46:19 He's just a dumbass.

Jim Norton 46:20 It doesn't taste like chicken.

Joe Rogan 46:21 He's a dumbass, but I fucking love dogs, man. I k- I wish I c- I, I could have... I mean, I can't go to a pound. I c- I can't go. If I get a dog-

Jim Norton 46:28 Can you bring him home?

Joe Rogan 46:29 ... I'll bring 'em all home. I'll just like... I'll take 'em all.

Jim Norton 46:31 Do you-

Joe Rogan 46:31 If I had a giant piece of land, I would probably just have all... every dog I could ever get.

Jim Norton 46:37 We went, we went to, uh, North Shore Animal Rescue and, uh, uh, actually Beth Stern helped me. I don't know her well. I met her through Whitney, and I had met her when... But she's like... Is huge there, and like has g- great connections and helped us get a very nice little, uh, uh, what is it? A fucking, uh, Yorkie.

Joe Rogan 46:53 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 46:53 We, we, we're so stupid. We thought it was a, uh... I thought it was a Cavapoo. I didn't know what the fucking kind of dog it was.

Joe Rogan 46:58 What's a Cavapoo?

Jim Norton 46:58 It's like a... It's like one of those things where it's like a bred dog. It's, it's a-

Joe Rogan 47:02 Yeah.

Jim Norton 47:02 ... Cavalier and a Poodle, I think.

Joe Rogan 47:04 Okay.

Jim Norton 47:04 But it's hypoallergenic 'cause I can't have dog hair.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Right. Oh, look at that.

Jim Norton 47:09 I mean, come on.

Joe Rogan 47:10 Aww.

Jim Norton 47:10 Is that not phenomenal?

Joe Rogan 47:12 Come on. Come on. Look, the little bow. That used to be a wolf. That's how fucking creepy people are. They turned a wolf into that thing.

Jim Norton 47:19 That little adorable, no shedding thing.

Joe Rogan 47:22 Look at that. Look at that little face. Aw.

Jim Norton 47:24 Yeah. He's very cute. But that's what we thought we were getting. I didn't know... 'Cause they... A Yorkie looks a lot like when it's young. I mean, it was like this big when we took it home.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 47:32 But, yeah, it's... I, I love it. My dog photographs like shit, though. I never put up pictures of my dog.

Joe Rogan 47:36 (laughs)

Jim Norton 47:36 He's a, this sweetheart, but he looks like a fucking wig in a hamper. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:40 (laughs)

Jim Norton 47:40 Just sucks. I can't humiliate an ugly fucking dog I have in, in pictures. But in person, he's a great, but I just-

Joe Rogan 47:46 That's funny.

Jim Norton 47:46 ... I never post pictures. It's just... It's not cute.

Joe Rogan 47:47 Put a filter on him. (laughs)

Jim Norton 47:49 It, it... Nothing's gonna help. He's just kinda sitting there, looks like he's fucking... Like homeless, like some homeless guy's dog.

Joe Rogan 47:54 Ugh.

Jim Norton 47:54 But I do, uh... I love having him, but the shitting in the house is very difficult.

Joe Rogan 47:59 Dog. Aww.

Jim Norton 48:00 Oh, yeah, I think that's when I first got him.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Aww. You do.

Jim Norton 48:02 But you see, he looks a little like a Cavapoo.

Joe Rogan 48:03 That's adorable dog.

Jim Norton 48:05 Than he was. But as he's gotten older and his hair's gotten longer-

Joe Rogan 48:08 He's got shitty looking?

Jim Norton 48:09 N- Uh, in person, no, but on... In, in... I...

Joe Rogan 48:12 (laughs)

Jim Norton 48:12 He photographs fucking terribly.

Joe Rogan 48:14 Let me see a picture. Let me see a bad picture of your dog.

Jim Norton 48:17 Okay. Let me see if I have...

Joe Rogan 48:19 (laughs)

Jim Norton 48:19 I put up a... Uh, uh, if... On my Instagram I think I put up a video recently and the screen grab... I tried to find the cutest screen grab and I just couldn't. So let me see if you're-

Joe Rogan 48:27 Maybe it's just you. Maybe if I saw him, I'd think he's adorable.

Jim Norton 48:30 I can guarantee you're gonna go like, "He might be great in person."

Joe Rogan 48:33 Uh.

Jim Norton 48:33 It's like when somebody... But I wouldn't... I would never, uh... I would never classify this as a cute dog. Hold on.... all right, I'm- I'm- it's not opening because of, uh... but I'll find it.

Joe Rogan 48:42 Oh, there's no cellphone signal in here.

Jim Norton 48:44 Is that on purpose? Or is it-

Joe Rogan 48:45 No, it's just the walls are thick.

Jim Norton 48:47 Do you guys have wifi or no? Uh, yeah, I can't find it.

Joe Rogan 48:49 Forget it.

Jim Norton 48:50 All right.

Joe Rogan 48:50 It's okay. I get it.

Jim Norton 48:52 Oh, wait.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Is that it?

Jim Norton 48:53 That's, that's actually not that bad.

Joe Rogan 48:55 Aw, that's cute.

Jim Norton 48:56 But there was one I put up-

Joe Rogan 48:57 Come on.

Jim Norton 48:58 That's actually a very nice one.

Joe Rogan 48:59 Look at the little blue bow.

Jim Norton 49:01 Yeah, we've fucking... somebody in the house really mowed him up. That wasn't my fucking-

Joe Rogan 49:04 That's a cute little dog.

Jim Norton 49:06 Yeah, all right, that's a nice picture. But typically, he photographs very poorly.

Joe Rogan 49:11 Hmm, wow.

Jim Norton 49:11 But, uh, he can't... he won't stop shitting in the house.

Joe Rogan 49:13 Oh, no.

Jim Norton 49:13 Like, I can't, uh...

Joe Rogan 49:15 What, you live in an apartment?

Jim Norton 49:16 We live in an apartment. We'll put him-

Joe Rogan 49:17 That's part of the problem.

Jim Norton 49:18 (sighs) We'll put him on the terrace.

Joe Rogan 49:19 Yeah.

Jim Norton 49:19 And she'll go out there with him, and, and she walks him. I won't walk him. It's like I- it's your dog, I don't wanna fucking-

Joe Rogan 49:24 Ugh.

Jim Norton 49:24 I don't want... you know what I mean? Like, I'm not... again, I don't have that instinct. I'm happy you have him and you love him, but, um, he just won't stop shitting in the house. I don't know what to do. I'm getting to a point where, like, I- I'd be like, "This is why I didn't want a fucking dog."

Joe Rogan 49:37 Yeah.

Jim Norton 49:37 I can't, I can't handle dog shit in my house.

Joe Rogan 49:38 It's kinda gross.

Jim Norton 49:40 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:40 Yeah, it's pretty gross.

Jim Norton 49:42 I heard that, uh... I'm, I'm debating do I pay for a trainer? Do I pay for someone to come in and just-

Joe Rogan 49:47 They might not be able to. It might be one of them broken little fucking tiny dogs. You just can't stop shitting in your house. I don't know, though.

Jim Norton 49:55 I hope not.

Joe Rogan 49:55 I've never had, like, one of those kinda dogs. The only one I had was like-

Jim Norton 49:57 But in New York, it helps. Like, you... to have a small little, uh... first of all, I'm not qualified to own a big one. I don't know how, like, people own, like, Mastiffs and... in New York you-

Joe Rogan 50:05 In New York City, that's crazy.

Jim Norton 50:06 You can't, and you can't get insurance for them. That's what made me... like, if you have a Doberman or a Rottweiler or a Pit, you can't get insurance, homeowner's insurance. So if somebody gets bit, you're fucked.

Joe Rogan 50:16 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 50:16 And that's what scared me about those dogs.

Joe Rogan 50:18 Oh.

Jim Norton 50:18 German Shepherd...

Joe Rogan 50:19 Yeah, especially German Shepherds. Well also, like, those dogs need a lot of exercise. They need a lot of activity or they get anxious.

Jim Norton 50:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:26 And they get kinda crazy, because they're not supposed to be penned in like that. They're working dogs.

Jim Norton 50:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:30 They're supposed to be out there running around. And if you don't run them, if you don't exercise them every day, they, they get like people do when they don't exercise every day. They get kooky.

Jim Norton 50:39 Yeah. I became a little obsessed with... have you ever seen those Caucasian shepherds?

Joe Rogan 50:43 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 50:43 Like, I wanna pet one of those things, or those, uh-

Joe Rogan 50:46 That's that big, giant fucking thing?

Jim Norton 50:47 It comes up, like-

Joe Rogan 50:48 From the Caucus mountains?

Jim Norton 50:48 ... it goes... it's like 200 pounds. Yeah, it's fucking hairy, it's a disaster.

Joe Rogan 50:51 Yeah. It's like a werewolf.

Jim Norton 50:51 Yeah, it's a werewolf. It's a monster.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Yeah.

Jim Norton 50:53 But something like that, I would love to, you know, spend a moment with or go some place and, and play with it. But I just, you know... yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 50:59 Look at that thing. Geez Christ.

Jim Norton 51:01 Slobbering all over your fucking sofa.

Joe Rogan 51:02 Look at this, 220 pounds.

Jim Norton 51:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:04 Geez.

Jim Norton 51:05 Shitting-

Joe Rogan 51:05 Well, they use those things to keep wolves away from sheep.

Jim Norton 51:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Yeah.

Jim Norton 51:09 And Russian prisons, I think. The-

Joe Rogan 51:11 Grrr.

Jim Norton 51:11 I've seen footage of Russian prisons, like, where they have them around the perimeter.

Joe Rogan 51:14 Oh.

Jim Norton 51:14 Uh, im- there's a fence in between, like, freedom and the jail, and they kinda keep them in there.

Joe Rogan 51:19 I wonder what their temperament is like.

Jim Norton 51:20 They're aggressive. That's what I've heard, they're very aggressive.

Joe Rogan 51:22 Are they bad with people? Strong, powerful, alert, quick, dominant, calm. What?

Jim Norton 51:27 Yeah, they just... somebody just threw adjectives up there.

Joe Rogan 51:29 How'd they throw calm in there? Steady, strong, independent, faithful, self-assured, calm. That's weird.

Jim Norton 51:37 Uh, the Dog... you ever see those Dog... what are they called? Dogo Rr... I, I'm a-

Joe Rogan 51:40 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Jim Norton 51:41 Those are... they look like giant pitbulls.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 51:44 They're gorgeous dogs, but again, they're-

Joe Rogan 51:45 Hyper aggressive.

Jim Norton 51:46 Uh, they are aggressive, right?

Joe Rogan 51:47 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Great guard dogs, hyper aggressive. They will fuck you up.

Jim Norton 51:52 And they-

Joe Rogan 51:53 I think those were the dogs that Ving Rhames had when someone... he killed, like, someone working at his house. Yeah.

Jim Norton 52:02 When he was Ving Rhames, or before?

Joe Rogan 52:04 Yeah.

Jim Norton 52:04 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:04 Ving... uh, I'm pretty sure it was Ving Rhames. I think something happened, and someone... maybe they were there when they're not supposed to be there, or something happened, and someone... I think it was someone working for him got killed by his dog.

Jim Norton 52:19 Was he... is, is it him or Charles Dutton who did time in jail for murder? I think it was murder. I don't wanna get sued. But I think it was Charles Dutton or him that actually... before they were actors, went to jail.

Joe Rogan 52:29 Mm-hmm.

Jim Norton 52:29 I just don't remember if it was Ving Rhames or Charles Dutton.

Joe Rogan 52:30 I don't know. I don't know.

Jim Norton 52:32 Well, yeah, it was one of those guys that had, like, a really interesting backstory. I'm wondering if that has to do-

Joe Rogan 52:35 Let's go find out with Ving Rhames dog first, then we'll Google, did Charles Dutton murder someone?

Jim Norton 52:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:40 I think, I think it might've been Dutton.

Jim Norton 52:43 I think (laughs) you're right. This is a funny thing to Google.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Yeah.

Narrator 52:46 The coroner said that the- he did not die from... uh, in the Ving Rhames case, he did not die from dog bites. They were waiting for a toxicology report.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Oh, did he... maybe he had a stroke, and then the dog bit him? Like, sometimes that happens. Like, if someone has-

Jim Norton 52:59 Ah.

Joe Rogan 52:59 ... like, a seizure? Dogs will bite them. Like, dogs don't know what the fuck is going on.

Jim Norton 53:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:03 They freak out and they bite them. When animals attack humans or other animals, victims usually end up with bites around the head and neck. He had none. Uh, this leads us to believe he went down for some other medical reason. Oh, that makes sense. So, the bites were around his arms and his legs. So yeah, the dog might have... Bullmastiffs. English Bulldog and three Bullmastiffs.

Jim Norton 53:24 200 pounds.

Joe Rogan 53:25 Geez, 200 pounds.

Jim Norton 53:26 You wonder if they were trying to wake him up or trying to pull him somewhere, or if they were attacking... 'cause you're right, if they don't bite the face, what's the purpose of... what were they doing?

Joe Rogan 53:32 Yeah. I bet it wasn't... I, I bet that's what it was. Sometimes that does happen when... dogs will freak out if someone has a seizure.

Jim Norton 53:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:39 They, they don't know what the hell is going on. They, like, bite the person.

Jim Norton 53:42 Yeah, like, "What's he doing? Why is-"

Joe Rogan 53:42 They're freaking out. Grrr... you know, probably not even bite him to try to hurt him, just to try to stop whatever is happening, 'cause it's freaking them out.

Jim Norton 53:49 Well, there was speculation after, uh, Siegfried & Roy, when, when Roy got dragged off-

Joe Rogan 53:53 Yes.

Jim Norton 53:54 I don't know what's true or not. Did, did the thing bite his head, or was it actually trying to save him?

Joe Rogan 54:00 Take him away, yeah.

Jim Norton 54:01 Um, I don't know what-

Joe Rogan 54:02 I think it... yeah, there was, like, a lady that had a crazy hat or something like that, and the tiger was kinda weirded out by this lady's hat.

Jim Norton 54:08 Is that what it was?

Joe Rogan 54:09 That's not what I remember, but I... I just remember thinking, "Duh." Like, the tiger just did what tigers do-

Jim Norton 54:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:15 ... and just decided, "I don't like f- this anymore."

Jim Norton 54:18 Are they both dead?

Joe Rogan 54:19 "I'm just gonna bite you." I don't know.

Jim Norton 54:21 I know R- Roy Horn died, I think.

Joe Rogan 54:23 Yeah.

Narrator 54:23 I just saw they're making a Netflix series about... or Apple TV series about him. Eight episode series. Andrew Garfield and someone else are playing...

Joe Rogan 54:31 Did you ever see the HBO, uh, thing on, uh, Liberace?

Jim Norton 54:36 Is, is that where... with, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:38 Beyond, Beyond the Candle-

Jim Norton 54:38 ... Tom Hopper, wasn't it?

Joe Rogan 54:39 ... Opera? Well, it was Matt Damon and, um... what the fuck was his name?

Jim Norton 54:44 Who played Scott Thorson?

Joe Rogan 54:45 The guy, Greed is Good. You know, that guy.

Jim Norton 54:47 Michael Douglas?

Joe Rogan 54:48 Michael Douglas, yeah.

Jim Norton 54:49 Ah.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Michael Douglas played Liberace, I believe, right? Didn't he?

Jim Norton 54:52 Did he?

Joe Rogan 54:53 Yeah.

Jim Norton 54:53 ... I didn't remember that.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Yeah. Yeah, it was Michael Douglas and Matt Damon.

Jim Norton 54:57 Oh, he played Scott Thorson, Matt Damon?

Joe Rogan 54:58 Yes.

Jim Norton 54:59 Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:59 He played the guy who got plastic surgery-

Jim Norton 55:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:01 ... to look like Liberace.

Jim Norton 55:02 S- he's a classic, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:03 What a psycho.

Jim Norton 55:04 Yeah. Yeah, I interviewed him. He's great.

Joe Rogan 55:05 You have your boyfriend get plastic surgery to look like him? I wanna fuck me.

Jim Norton 55:10 (laughs) I know. That's the last person I would wanna look like.

Joe Rogan 55:12 (laughs)

Jim Norton 55:12 I go to a surgeon and say, "Anything but this."

Joe Rogan 55:15 Isn't that... That is such a psychotic thing, to wanna fuck you. Oh my God, that's so crazy. "I want you to look like me."

Jim Norton 55:22 W-

Joe Rogan 55:22 "Get your chin done to look like me."

Jim Norton 55:24 Is that a power thing, or is it a fucking-

Joe Rogan 55:26 Oh, yeah.

Jim Norton 55:26 It's a very bizarre... Yeah, pure narcissism or just crazy.

Joe Rogan 55:31 Yeah, b- all the above. Power, for sure. Power over that guy. Right? He probably had the ultimate power in that relationship.

Jim Norton 55:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:38 'Cause he's Liberace. He's this enormous superstar, and this guy's his bitch. You know, like, "I want you to get a different chin." (laughs)

Jim Norton 55:45 "You're gonna look like me."

Joe Rogan 55:46 "He got a crazy chin."

Jim Norton 55:47 Yeah, he did. He looks... He looked-

Joe Rogan 55:49 He looked like Liberace. Yeah, that's it.

Jim Norton 55:49 He looks very silly.

Joe Rogan 55:50 It was a fun fucking film though.

Jim Norton 55:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:52 Check it out.

Jim Norton 55:52 Tom Papa had a part in this.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Look at that, Rob Lowe. (laughs)

Jim Norton 55:55 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:59 It was a really fu-... Joey Diaz used to have a great bit about it. Oh.

Jim Norton 56:02 About the... about the, uh, movie?

Joe Rogan 56:03 About the HBO thing. Yeah, I... I mean, Liberace was a fucking weird case, right? Because he had to pretend that he was straight forever.

Jim Norton 56:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:12 And it's so obvi-... Like, today he wouldn't have to.

Jim Norton 56:16 No.

Joe Rogan 56:16 Right? He'd just be Liberace. But back then he had... Do you ever see the song... There he is. Look at that.

Jim Norton 56:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:21 Super straight. Look at the rings. You... Do you ever see the song When Liberace Winks at Me?

Jim Norton 56:27 No.

Joe Rogan 56:27 So this is a song that played on television in like the 1950s, when, you know, the world was in- innocent.

Jim Norton 56:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:35 And there's a woman who was, like, swooning when Liberace would wink at her. And then... So they played this... It's... So it's Liberace playing the piano, and like looking at the girl and winking.

Jim Norton 56:45 Oh.

Joe Rogan 56:45 And then he made like a twinkle in his eye when it... Wait, you... Let's... let's play it because it's... it's so bad. Here it is, here it is.

Jim Norton 56:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:52 Put your... Put the headphones on. You gotta see this. (laughs) (piano music plays) What is it, '53? Is that what it said?

Narrator 57:02 '55.

Joe Rogan 57:03 '55. So she's watching him on TV and she sings. Watch this.

Jim Norton 57:12 Oh. (laughs) Oh, God.

Narrator 57:14 Dear, dear member of the fan club, I'm dropping you this line. I'd like to join your fan club, it would simply be divine. I found a brand new idol, he's charming as can be. I really can't describe the strange effect he has on me.

Jim Norton 57:34 Wow.

Narrator 57:35 I start to shake, I start to shiver. And every fiber in my being seems to quiver. It's a feeling very close to ecstasy.

Jim Norton 57:53 Oh.

Narrator 57:54 That's what happens when Liberace winks at me.

Jim Norton 57:59 Wow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:03 (laughs)

Narrator 58:03 (laughs)

Jim Norton 58:03 First of all, he looks like Jim Florentine. It really creeps me out.

Joe Rogan 58:07 (laughs) I love when he winks you hear the piano key, like-

Jim Norton 58:10 Little tinkle.

Joe Rogan 58:11 ... clink, clink. That's so weird. (laughs) What a weird time it was back then.

Jim Norton 58:16 Dude, there's a video of him too on Instagram where they... it was... it was in the '60s when he was trying to get with the, uh... He was trying to, like, you know, be with the movement, man.

Joe Rogan 58:24 Be cool, man.

Jim Norton 58:25 And it was like something about something groovy. And it's just him on a piano with all of these like, uh... like, you know, 20-year-olds just trying so hard to get the kids.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Oh, really?

Jim Norton 58:36 Oh, it's so-

Joe Rogan 58:36 It's in the '60s?

Jim Norton 58:37 It's... I think it's in the... in the... It looks like it's like 1967. 19... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:41 Is that it?

Jim Norton 58:42 Oh my...

Joe Rogan 58:43 Oh, boy. Play it. (laughs)

Narrator 58:46 Feeling groovy. Feeling good. Feeling groovy.

Joe Rogan 58:50 Groovy.

Narrator 58:51 Feeling good.

Joe Rogan 58:51 Look at these guys and their pants.

Narrator 58:53 Feeling groovy. Feeling groovy. Feeling groovy. Hello lamp post, don't you know it. We've come to watch your flowers growing.

Joe Rogan 59:04 God, look at their pants.

Jim Norton 59:05 Yeah. The piano's got flowers on it.

Narrator 59:10 Do-do, do-do. Be-doo, be-doo.

Joe Rogan 59:10 God, people really lost their fucking minds-

Jim Norton 59:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:12 ... in the '60s, didn't they?

Narrator 59:14 Feeling groovy.

Jim Norton 59:14 Yeah. This is very drug-inspired.

Narrator 59:16 Feeling groovy. Feeling good.

Joe Rogan 59:16 Imagine putting those pants on.

Narrator 59:18 Feeling groovy.

Jim Norton 59:21 Where's Liberace?

Joe Rogan 59:21 Where's Liberace?

Jim Norton 59:21 He does come out. I'm not sure where. He does... Oh, there he is.

Joe Rogan 59:24 There he is. (laughs)

Jim Norton 59:24 Oh, there he is. At least he's dressed for the occasion.

Joe Rogan 59:28 Look at him. (laughs)

Narrator 59:30 Hey man, you're looking wild.

Joe Rogan 59:31 He's got the thumbs up.

Narrator 59:32 Hey man, you're looking wild.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Look at his fucking face.

Narrator 59:35 Come see a flower child. Yes, join the game and sing along. We've got a song 'cause we're feeling groovy.

Jim Norton 59:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Look at him.

Narrator 59:46 Feeling good.

Jim Norton 59:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:47 God, that's so weird.

Narrator 59:48 Hello lamp post, what's your shaking? I gotta try that scene you're making. Liberace is turning on.

Jim Norton 59:57 (sighs) .

Narrator 59:58 Doodle-dee-do-do, feeling groovy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Liberace's turning on.

Jim Norton 1:00:03 Isn't that great? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Oh, God that's so weird. And look, the piano's moving.

Jim Norton 1:00:09 And he had the whole two girls like, "Yeah, I'm just here to get some puss." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 (laughs) He's turning on.

Jim Norton 1:00:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 This is like the acid days.

Jim Norton 1:00:17 But it's so crazy that like this was actually probably not meant to be shitty and ironic, but it was meant to be like, "Yeah, he's this cool guy-"

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 Oh, God.

Jim Norton 1:00:23 "... getting with the scene."

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 He's getting with the scene, man. And he's out there with his piano, and all these weird people with flowers on their pants.

Jim Norton 1:00:31 And the dancing. The dance routine is- is just not the straightest.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Look at him go with the vest. The vest is hilarious.

Jim Norton 1:00:37 Yeah, it's like plastic.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Yeah, it's like this fucking raincoat that they turn into a vest.

Jim Norton 1:00:43 And a long like orange, like almost like Shakespeare sleeve type of shirt.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 God, so strange. God, people were so weir-... But you gotta think like in the 1960s television had only been around for like 20 years.

Jim Norton 1:00:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 That's what's weird. This was really weird if you really stop and think about it. It was so new. No one... It's kind of like the internet, right? Like the internet was... The internet is older today than television was then.

Jim Norton 1:01:13 Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's 30 years old now.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Yeah. Yeah. The internet basically came around ... I got on the internet for the first time in '94. I got on America Online.

Jim Norton 1:01:23 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 You've got mail.

Jim Norton 1:01:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 And I remember, this is crazy. I couldn't believe it. It hooked up to my phone. It was a 14.4 connection, like (imitates modem) .

Jim Norton 1:01:33 Yeah, 14k. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Slow as shit. Then I got 56k. I thought it was a boss. Like, "Look at me, 56k."

Jim Norton 1:01:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 You know? And I remember thinking, "This is crazy. Like, this never existed before." So that was 30 years ago, 31 years ago. This was just 20 years after TV really ... Like when did TV really start happening?

Jim Norton 1:01:53 In the-

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 The '50s?

Jim Norton 1:01:53 I want to say in the '50s. Yeah. I don't think it was in the 1940s. I mean, it was in the '50s.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Like when was the first television?

Jim Norton 1:01:59 Hitler broadcasted. I- I- But that must have been in the '40s. Th- There was ... 'Cause in the movie Contact where they show you that Hitler broadcast, uh, which they said was like one of the first-

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 He broadcasted on the radio or on television?

Jim Norton 1:02:11 I think what I ... No, it was a TV. I don't think-

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 They used to do a lot of World War II stuff in the movie theaters. You'd go to the movie theater-

Jim Norton 1:02:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 ... and you get the news. The Allied Front.

Jim Norton 1:02:19 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 And they'd show you the news. They'd show you, like, propaganda footage of the news. "Our troops are out there fighting for your freedom."

Jim Norton 1:02:27 Yes, and the Japanese ... You know, they- they show you-

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 Yeah. They show you ... Man, they show you ...

Jim Norton 1:02:31 And the brave American troops smiling at you.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Yeah, yeah. And then they'd have those propaganda movies.

Narrator 1:02:36 Uh, 1953, 50% of American households had a TV set.

Jim Norton 1:02:40 Wow.

Narrator 1:02:40 By the end of 1960, almost nine out of 10 did.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 Wow. So what was the first television? When did it first-

Narrator 1:02:46 Oh, they had them ... They started in the '20s. And then they just-

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 Oh, really?

Narrator 1:02:49 They were expensive as shit, and probably very big, and there wasn't anything to watch, so why would you have one?

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 Oh.

Narrator 1:02:53 And then there was this-

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 When was the first broadcast? The first television broadcast?

Narrator 1:02:57 Oh ... Well, it's, yeah, up until the '50s it was really just like public information, it says.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Oh, so just like the news?

Narrator 1:03:04 There wasn't ... I mean, there wasn't a lot of shows being made.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Like, what was the first television show?

Narrator 1:03:09 Yeah. Let's see.

Jim Norton 1:03:10 Before cav- Do you remember? Uh, Gleason did Cavalcade.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 Uh-huh.

Jim Norton 1:03:13 I think it was called Cavalcade. It was like with The Honeymooners, uh, debuted and he would do Reginald Van Gleason. But I don't ... That's definitely not the first one. I Love Lucy was probably same time or before that.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 Right. And what year was that? It had to be the '50s, right?

Jim Norton 1:03:24 '53 maybe, '55. Or it might have been later. I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 So probably th- the television really became ... Like when did it become a thing where people would watch the news? Probably like late '40s maybe?

Jim Norton 1:03:37 Yeah. 'Cause '63 again the Cronkite broadca- I mean so by then-

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Yeah.

Jim Norton 1:03:40 ... it was like in, in full effect.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 So you gotta think that '63 with, you know, Liberace, or f- the, the '55 one with Liberace, that's so new.

Jim Norton 1:03:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 That's crazy new. And then 12 years later, you know, when he's fucking dancing with the flower pants on.

Narrator 1:03:56 (laughs) Here's the Wikipedia version.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 First national color broadcast, the 1954 Tournament of the Rose Parade. The US occurred January 1st, 1954. So the 1936 Summer Olympics ... Oh, they had the Summer Olympics they, they broadcast.

Narrator 1:04:12 They had World Series it says was the-

Jim Norton 1:04:13 Oh.

Narrator 1:04:13 ... first catalyst, like big, big buying.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Wow, you must have been a boss if you had a fucking television in 1936.

Jim Norton 1:04:20 Yeah.

Narrator 1:04:20 And then first, like, variety show was Milton Berle's show. So h- he became