Joe Rogan Experience #2354 - Joe DeRosa

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) Dun, dun, dun. Joe DeRosa taking notes. Look at you, scholarly young man.

Joe DeRosa 0:17 There's so many-

Joe Rogan 0:17 What are you writing down?

Joe DeRosa 0:18 There's so many things I wanna talk to you about.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Yeah?

Joe DeRosa 0:23 Yeah, this is like a really ... This is really interesting, like, like, to, to sit with you one-on-one like this.

Joe Rogan 0:29 Hmm.

Joe DeRosa 0:30 It really is, because ... And I say that outside of who you are to the world, which is obviously impressive. I say it to you just as a comic that knows you and has been friendly with you for many years. We don't get a l- you know, usually when I see you, it's at The Mothership.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Green room, 50 people around.

Joe DeRosa 0:48 50 people.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 0:49 It's your place.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Right.

Joe DeRosa 0:50 There's a lot going on. And, uh, I was like, "Man, it's gonna be interesting to get to sit, like, across from Joe and just talk to him, like-"

Joe Rogan 0:58 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 0:58 "... and have a conversation with."

Joe Rogan 0:59 What did you write down?

Joe DeRosa 1:00 I wrote sober.

Joe Rogan 1:02 Sober.

Joe DeRosa 1:03 Uh, which I'll explain.

Joe Rogan 1:04 Okay.

Joe DeRosa 1:04 But family was the first thing I wrote, which-

Joe Rogan 1:07 Okay.

Joe DeRosa 1:07 ... or the second thing I wrote, but the first thing I wanted to say, was, um ... It's incredible, man, 'cause I was in there last night, my special came out yesterday, and I was in the club last night, I just dropped in real quick to say hi to Tony and, and Ari was around for his last night before he-

Joe Rogan 1:23 Yeah, what is he doing? He's going on a walkabout?

Joe DeRosa 1:25 Some secret. (laughs)

Narrator 1:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:26 He just sent, sent me some text message, it s- it said, "This weekend was perfect for my send-off from standup comedy." And I go, "What does that mean, my send-off?"

Joe DeRosa 1:35 Um ...

Joe Rogan 1:36 What are you doing?

Joe DeRosa 1:37 He's-

Joe Rogan 1:37 Fucking weirdo.

Joe DeRosa 1:38 He's going ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:41 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 1:41 He always has to fucking throw his life into a, a turmoil every couple of years. He's the weirdest man I've ever met.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Oh, he's so weird. He's awesome though.

Joe DeRosa 1:49 I love him.

Joe Rogan 1:50 He's amazing.

Joe DeRosa 1:51 He's one of my best friends.

Joe Rogan 1:51 He's a unique, very unique individual. That's a one-of-one.

Joe DeRosa 1:56 Yes. And he's done some stuff. He's a polarizing individual, to some-

Joe Rogan 2:00 Oh, without a doubt.

Narrator 2:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:01 Without a doubt. He took a shit on stage with a note inside of it during a Skankfest show. He shit on the plastic and then pulled out the note and read it.

Joe DeRosa 2:10 The, uh ... Yeah, I remember that happening.

Joe Rogan 2:12 Yeah. Don't do that.

Joe DeRosa 2:13 He ... I talked to him about it.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 2:15 And he goes ... I go, I go, "Ari, I love you. Why, why, why do you make it so hard for yourself?"

Joe Rogan 2:21 (sings) Ah. Ah. Ah.

Joe DeRosa 2:22 And he goes ... And he got mad. We were sitting in the green room at Mothership. It was just me and him, and he got mad, and he's sitting there, he goes, he goes, "Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And, and, and censor jokes." And then I go, "No, no, no. I'm not into censoring jokes. I'm saying you shouldn't bloody shit on a stage." And he kept going, and I look him in the eye, I go, "Brien, you did the only thing I've ever seen shake Brian Holtzman." Or, or Ari, sorry. I go, "Ari, you've done the only thing I've seen shake Brian Holtzman. I saw Brian after you did that, and Holtzman was like ..." (mumbles)

Joe Rogan 2:52 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 2:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:53 But that's what he wants. That's what Ari wants. Mission accomplished.

Joe DeRosa 2:57 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 2:57 Yeah, he's like, you know, he's, he's the real deal. He's-

Joe DeRosa 3:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:01 ... really fucking throws it all into the fire. He runs right into the wood chipper. Let's see.

Joe DeRosa 3:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:06 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 3:06 Yeah. He, um ... It's-

Joe Rogan 3:08 But I like it, like he thinks, he's thinking about, like, creatively, you hit, like, dips and you don't know what to talk about anymore, and sometimes you need to go on a walkabout.

Joe DeRosa 3:20 Yeah, I think ... I see him, and I, I admire it greatly, because it's so opposite of how I'm wired, but ...

Joe Rogan 3:27 Yeah, it's not me either. I don't dig it. But he goes, like, months at a time with nothing but, like, a burner phone.

Joe DeRosa 3:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:34 No text message, no emails, no nothing.

Joe DeRosa 3:37 I said to him yesterday, I go, "I'm gonna miss you, dude."

Joe Rogan 3:40 (makes crying sounds)

Joe DeRosa 3:40 He's like, "I'm gonna miss you too." And I go, I go, "Please stay in touch." He goes ... I go, "Please stay in touch." He goes, he goes, "I'll hit you up in a couple of months with a number from another c-" I was like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:50 Yeah, he likes to do that.

Joe DeRosa 3:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:52 But it, uh, works for him.

Joe DeRosa 3:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:54 Like, it's ... Like, he's not faking it. He genuinely enjoys doing it.

Joe DeRosa 3:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:58 He genuinely ... He's smart, you know? He's, he's like, "I gotta throw my brain into a totally different environment every now and again-"

Joe DeRosa 4:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:05 "... and see what's really going on."

Joe DeRosa 4:08 I think he likes the challenge that life can be. Like, I think he likes the idea of ... He's one of those guys where if he says, "That scares the shit out of me," he's first in line to do it. Like, it's, it's all about, like, if you don't face it, what's the point, you know?

Joe Rogan 4:27 Right.

Joe DeRosa 4:28 So I think he creates these incredible s- ... It's so funny, you know, when you discuss what he's about to do with certain people, some people go, "That's insane. What?" And other people go, "Oh my God. I admire it so much."

Joe Rogan 4:40 (makes yawn sound)

Joe DeRosa 4:40 You know what I mean? Like ...

Joe Rogan 4:41 Yeah. It's sort of like the guy that killed that UnitedHealthcare CEO.

Joe DeRosa 4:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:47 (laughs) Depending upon your perspective, it was either so fucking awesome or, "Oh my God, they're gonna start killing CEOs."

Joe DeRosa 4:55 Luigi Shafir.

Joe Rogan 4:57 And he's so handsome.

Joe DeRosa 4:58 Yes. He is.

Joe Rogan 4:59 The thing about Luigi though is Luigi picked the right person to kill, not, not like meaning that guy. I mean a healthcare executive. You're gonna get the least amount of sympathy.

Joe DeRosa 5:10 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:11 You know what I mean? Not that individual one. Look, you shouldn't kill anybody.

Joe DeRosa 5:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:14 I can't believe I have to say this, but yeah, don't go shooting people.

Joe DeRosa 5:16 I agree.

Joe Rogan 5:17 But also, like when you realize how ... You know Ben Askren, I don't know who his healthcare provider was, but Ben Askren, he developed some kind of crazy pneumonia and then it became necrotic, so it like ate holes in his lungs.

Joe DeRosa 5:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:32 He's 40 years old, is a former UFC fighter, former Bellator champion.

Joe DeRosa 5:37 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Elite athlete, fantastic wrestler. Had to get a double lung surgery, double lung replacement surgery at 40, and insurance didn't wanna cover it.

Joe DeRosa 5:46 It's insane. It's insane.

Joe Rogan 5:48 What are you talking about? He's going to die. Like, he doesn't have lungs anymore. He was on a fucking, a ventilator for months.

Joe DeRosa 5:54 The-

Joe Rogan 5:54 He didn't have lungs anymore.

Joe DeRosa 5:56 I can't even fathom. I just had, I just had a bunch of water damage. My dishwasher leaked while I was away and I had a bunch of water damage in my condo that I had to get obviously fixed. There was rotted wood and-... cottage mold and all this stuff. And for... My insurance company gave me sort of what I needed to cover it. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 6:20 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 6:21 And I was furious. I can't fucking imagine if you're-

Joe Rogan 6:25 It was your health.

Joe DeRosa 6:25 ... in a situation like that-

Joe Rogan 6:26 Right.

Joe DeRosa 6:26 ... where it's your health, or if it's your home, like with the people with the fires.

Joe Rogan 6:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 6:30 I can't even imagine the fucking rage-

Joe Rogan 6:36 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 6:36 ... like, it's- it's- it's undefinable. And they wouldn't cover. So- so that's it.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Such a weird game they're playing. Their business is pay you as little as possible-

Joe DeRosa 6:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:45 ... and get you to give them money every month, so that maybe if something happens, they'll pay for it. Maybe. But maybe not.

Joe DeRosa 6:53 I have a friend-

Joe Rogan 6:54 Maybe not.

Joe DeRosa 6:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:55 Maybe, maybe not. Maybe you need a double lung transplant, and they're like, "Nope, we're not gonna cover that. That's too much money."

Joe DeRosa 6:59 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:00 "Come- come to court."

Joe DeRosa 7:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:01 Or figure it out.

Joe DeRosa 7:02 Insurance has become buying the protection plan at Best Buy, you know, where it's-

Joe Rogan 7:07 (laughs) But no, Best Buy's protection plan's way better.

Joe DeRosa 7:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:10 It's way better. If you buy like a new Samsung Galaxy phone, you buy the protection plan at Best Buy and then it fucks up on you, they give you a fucking brand new one.

Joe DeRosa 7:19 (laughs) All right.

Joe Rogan 7:20 They just have you fill out a little paperwork, you show your receipt.

Joe DeRosa 7:23 That's a good point.

Joe Rogan 7:23 They shake your hand. "Thank you." You say, "Thank you" to them, and you leave. It's fucking great. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 7:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:30 Insurance gamble is the craziest gamble ever. I'm gonna pay you every month, and hopefully you'll be kind enough to cover my insurance if something goes wrong.

Joe DeRosa 7:38 It is fucking wild. Dude, I have a friend-

Joe Rogan 7:40 Wild.

Joe DeRosa 7:40 ... who's a lawyer who has to often rep insurance companies in cases.

Joe Rogan 7:45 Oh, my God.

Joe DeRosa 7:46 And I said to him, I said, "Dude, with all due respect, I'm not coming at you." I go, "How do you, how do you sleep at night?" You know?

Joe Rogan 7:52 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 7:52 It's a tough position to be in. And he said, he goes, "Here's how I justify it. If I get the insurance company off or I save them some money, that does trickle down to the users with their premiums, making insurance continually as affordable as possible." He goes, "The second I lose for my client, they turn around and fuck everybody even more."

Joe Rogan 8:13 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 8:14 So he's like, "That's the one little silver lining with it, like, I guess," you know? But that's a very sad-

Joe Rogan 8:19 Oh, that's a, that's a weird silver lining.

Joe DeRosa 8:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:21 That's, that sounds like someone trying to cope.

Joe DeRosa 8:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:24 Doesn't it?

Joe DeRosa 8:24 It does.

Joe Rogan 8:25 It totally sounds like, "I have to kill some people. There's an overpopulation problem, Joe DeRosa, so we're gonna have to go around and kill people." That's what that sounds like to me.

Joe DeRosa 8:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:33 It's li- it's like what? It'll make it better for everybody else. There'll be less resources being depleted by the people we kill. Like what?

Joe DeRosa 8:40 Do you think that there's-

Joe Rogan 8:41 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 8:43 (laughs) His is more job injury stuff, but I hear you. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:44 I know, but it's so gaslighty. It's so gaslighty. If we fuck these people over, it'll be better for everybody else. 'Cause then they- you could feed the demons. The demons will be appeased.

Joe DeRosa 8:54 God, you know, I had never thought of it that way. And I had a feeling as I was saying it, you were gonna flip it into a thing that was gonna leave me disturbed, and it has.

Joe Rogan 9:01 If there's anything demonic, like people don't wanna think about demonic, like they don't wanna think like, "Oh, there's like a devil with a pitchfork and a fucking tail with a pointy end to it." (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 9:10 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:11 But like, what is demonic behavior? Like, if you know that someone's going to die, but you can deny them coverage because you just can make some sort of subjective decision whether or not this person should get coverage, and then you know they're gonna die-

Joe DeRosa 9:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:27 ... and they've been paying for insurance for years.

Joe DeRosa 9:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:30 How do you do that? That's kind, that's like a pact with it... Like, you could just sign here and then they're covered, and then they get this operation. You do everything you can to help them, and then everybody loves your company. Or you could say, "I just want the money now."

Joe DeRosa 9:45 It's dark.

Joe Rogan 9:45 It's dark.

Joe DeRosa 9:46 It's dark.

Joe Rogan 9:47 It's just, there's no pitchforks, there's no brimstone. So you don't think, you know, you don't think it's demonic.

Joe DeRosa 9:53 The thing that leaves me without hope, and I am not a very hope-filled individual, but the thing that leaves me without... with- with even less hope every day is I feel like the culture, and people in all positions, you know?

Joe Rogan 10:06 Uh-huh.

Joe DeRosa 10:06 But yours is- is... We're talking a very macro example of- of the thing. I find that more and more people every day put themselves... they position themselves in a way where they say, "I will not be accountable, and I will force you to be the one that has accountability to hold me to something.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Right.

Joe DeRosa 10:25 "And until you hold me to something where I cannot squirm or pivot in any way, at that point, I will then be accountable." And I feel that more and more people operate like that, obviously on a corporate level, but also an individualistic level. It makes me very, very sad. It's like having so many people that you encounter in your life, sometimes it's friends, and you're sitting there going, "Really? I- I have to be the adult?"

Joe Rogan 10:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 10:51 "I have to sit you down as a 48-year-old man and say to you, 'What you're acting like right now is fucked up.'"

Joe Rogan 10:58 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 10:58 "Why do I have to do that with you? Because you're not gonna do it, so I guess I have to."

Joe Rogan 11:03 Right.

Joe DeRosa 11:03 And the more that you try to hold yourself to accountability, I find... And I'm not patting myself on the back in any way, but I find that burden grows and grows and grows, and you just start to get to this place where you're like, "What the fuck is going on?" It's like an epidemic of ethics at a certain point.

Joe Rogan 11:20 Especially if you are... if- if you get indoctrinated into a real cutthroat corporate environment.

Joe DeRosa 11:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:27 You know, those guys can justify a lot of stuff 'cause that's in the culture. Like our culture is talking shit to each other. Like the way we talk shit to each other, like there's a lot of people in a lot of other jobs they would have a giant problem-

Joe DeRosa 11:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:39 ... with what you and I think is awesome.

Joe DeRosa 11:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:41 Like if you cracked on me and it was fucking awesome and we're all howling, like I could get you in real trouble if we were accountants.

Joe DeRosa 11:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:48 You know?

Joe DeRosa 11:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:49 If we were accountants, that'd be a giant problem.

Joe DeRosa 11:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:51 So we're used to fucking with each other and we're used to laughing about stuff and we're used to saying ridiculous shit that we don't really mean just for fun. And most people aren't. So this is our culture. This would freak, like y- if you got normies and you brought them into the green room of the mo- mothership and we're all just hanging out one night just talking and having fun, it'd probably freak them out-

Joe DeRosa 12:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:11 ... that people talk like this. Like, "Jesus Christ, you guys are at work and you talk like this? This is crazy."

Joe DeRosa 12:15 It's why comics get... I've seen people get very offended who aren't comics that get brought into a green room.

Joe Rogan 12:20 Right.

Joe DeRosa 12:20 And the comics are kind of ignoring them or making it very clear, "We don't want you in here."

Joe Rogan 12:24 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 12:24 And people think that that's the comics...... thinking who the fuck they are. It's not, it's like, guys, we have a thing we do. You're not part of it, you're not gonna understand it. And I've seen more than once somebody get offended by something we're saying who shouldn't have been in here in the first place.

Joe Rogan 12:39 It's usually someone's boyfriend or girlfriend.

Joe DeRosa 12:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 12:41 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 12:41 More- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:42 Almost always. (laughs) Yeah. I'm trying to be nice. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 12:45 Yeah, more... It's someone's girlfriend.

Joe Rogan 12:46 It's like happened once with a guy. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 12:48 (laughs)

Narrator 12:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:48 But you gotta count it, you gotta count it.

Joe DeRosa 12:51 What? Yeah. Once in 1968, a man got offended in a green room. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:54 There's some guys that are just... notoriously make bad decisions, and then they bring their bad decisions around for everybody else to revel in.

Joe DeRosa 13:02 God almighty.

Joe Rogan 13:03 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 13:05 I mean, is there anything worse?

Joe Rogan 13:06 Right. But this is just our culture. That's the most minor of things to worry about. Someone fucking up the, the vibe of the green room with dopey talk, which is fine-

Joe DeRosa 13:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:14 ... which is fine. But it's so much better than in that cor- cu- cutthroat so... Like, it literally rewards sociopathic behavior, like to, to be a person who thinks entirely on the bottom line of the company. "This is my job as a blah, blah, blah."

Joe DeRosa 13:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 "You know, my job is to make sure that we make more money every fucking quarter, period, end of discussion." And then you get in that mindset, and that's what you're trying to do. And everybody else is trying to do that too, so they're all fucking each other over. And then what's the ultimate form of that? Politics.

Joe DeRosa 13:44 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:45 The ultimate form of that.

Joe DeRosa 13:46 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:46 The ultimate form of fucking everybody over and making the biggest exaggerations and lying the most about people and, and using the most leverage. And it's wild to watch, man.

Joe DeRosa 13:59 And what, what you're describing is it's, you know, it's, it's quintessential Rod Serling shit.

Joe Rogan 14:05 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 14:05 It's when people's... It's... Comes down to survival. 'Cause eventually that, that to me is what the technique is and how you get it to keep working in your favor if you're the asshole at the top of the food chain, right? You, you say, "If I make people desperate enough, they will do desperate things to keep the situation that they feel now privileged to have or, or lucky to have."

Joe Rogan 14:26 Right.

Joe DeRosa 14:26 And you get people... You ever see that Twilight Zone where, where the guy has the bunker?

Joe Rogan 14:31 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 14:32 And he tells the neighbors, "I keep telling you, build a nuclear bunker, you're gonna need it." They're all making fun of him. And then the thing comes over the radio as they're talking at dinner, "There are nuclear missiles on the way," whatever. And he goes to his bunker and they're all at his door like, "Let us in." He goes, "I told you guys you should have made a bunker. (laughs) There's only enough room in here for me and my family." And they kick his door in, and they turn on each other, and they start getting racial with each other, right?

Joe Rogan 14:57 Oh, God.

Joe DeRosa 14:57 And then at the end it was a false alarm.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Oh, God. And now everybody's revealed.

Joe DeRosa 15:02 Everybody's sitting there like... Yeah. And they're like, "Well, sorry about that." He's like, "No, there's no turning back from this," you know?

Joe Rogan 15:07 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 15:08 But that's what it is. It's people get so desperate, it's survival. And as, as long as they feel that fear, that threat, that my weekly paycheck might be cut off for me, and that starts the chain of dominoes to my children starving or whatever it is-

Joe Rogan 15:23 Yep.

Joe DeRosa 15:25 ... people will do some really foul fucking shit, man.

Joe Rogan 15:28 Oh, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 15:28 You know? Some really foul fucking shit. You know? I feel very lucky that we're, in several different ways, you know, we're all operating sort of at different levels of this crazy industry we're in. But all of us in this circle that we now all exist in, in comedy, it's like we all get to, we all get to be independently employed, independently sufficient. And I think that allows you to potentially live a better life, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:58 It's just a better way of life for sure. Well, at least for us. But the thing is, some people, they genuinely like coding. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 16:05 (snorts)

Joe Rogan 16:05 You know what I mean?

Joe DeRosa 16:06 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:06 So it's like, unless you can get a job offsite where they let you... They don't even d- let you do that anymore. Now they're making people go back to work, which is so interesting.

Joe DeRosa 16:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:14 'Cause there was a few people that fucked it up for everybody else probably. It was like a bunch of lazy people who fucked off and didn't really do their work and kind of like half-assed everything-

Joe DeRosa 16:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:23 ... 'cause they were at home in their fucking pajamas-

Joe DeRosa 16:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:25 ... and they didn't wanna go back to work.

Joe DeRosa 16:26 Yeah. Yeah. There are guys out there that are like, "I love being a janitor. What do you want me to do?" (laughs) "I gotta go, I gotta go work somewhere." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:33 It's just people saying they don't wanna go back to the office, that to me is a wild one. Like, yo, everyone always had to work in an office. There was a reason. You go there, that's work.

Joe DeRosa 16:43 Mm-hmm. Right.

Joe Rogan 16:43 When you're at home, you could just be staring at your phone, you could be jerking off. How many reporters got caught jerking off, like to Zoom calls? (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 16:51 Insane. (laughs) Insane.

Joe Rogan 16:52 You can't just leave people alone.

Joe DeRosa 16:54 Insane.

Joe Rogan 16:54 They'll pretend they're doing as good a job. They're not. They gotta go to the office. That's why like the, all the people that are like super ambitious, like psycho Elon Musk type characters, you gotta go to the fucking office.

Joe DeRosa 17:06 You know, dude, I... Yeah, and it's, it... I have mixed feelings about the office thing because I, I worked in offices at one point. I understand somebody saying, "Dude, it was soul deadening."

Joe Rogan 17:17 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 17:17 "The overhead lights, the, the cu- the gray cubicles, whatever." Right?

Joe Rogan 17:20 Oh, I get it.

Joe DeRosa 17:20 So I get like, "I don't wanna be in that environment. It sucks." But now you see offices... I talk about this in my act a little bit. It's like now they make them fun. There's like ping pong tables and shit like that. I don't like that either. I think that creates the wrong vibe at work. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:34 That's Severance.

Joe DeRosa 17:35 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:37 Right?

Joe DeRosa 17:37 Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 17:37 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 17:39 It should be just soul deadening enough that you feel like I must work-

Joe Rogan 17:42 Yes.

Joe DeRosa 17:43 ... but maybe not, I wanna hang myself.

Joe Rogan 17:45 God.

Joe DeRosa 17:46 You know? And I think all that-

Joe Rogan 17:48 What-

Joe DeRosa 17:48 ... beanbag chairs in the office shit is, is a fucking fishing lure. I think-

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Joe DeRosa 19:02 The last one I had was I worked for the Texas... The Senate in Texas. Uh, I worked f- for the (laughs) ... Your expression is so funny right now.

Joe Rogan 19:11 I was waiting for you to finish. This is interesting.

Joe DeRosa 19:13 Oh, okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:13 I didn't wanna-

Joe DeRosa 19:13 You were, you-

Joe Rogan 19:14 ... give it away.

Joe DeRosa 19:15 Um, no, you uh, uh, I worked for the Texas Senate, uh, I worked for the Senate Media Department during the 76th legislative session or the 77th.

Joe Rogan 19:25 No shit. What'd you do with them?

Joe DeRosa 19:27 (clears throat) So I went to college, uh, for production, video and audio production. Um, and, uh, I got outta school, and at the time, I, I graduated in 2000, so it was right, right after that whole Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez indie film boom happened.

Joe Rogan 19:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 19:48 And I said, "That's what I wanna do. I wanna work in independent film. I, I'm gonna f- I wanna do that. I wanna write scripts, I wanna direct movies. Uh, I wanna create, like, in that space." So I said, "Well, I keep hearing about this Austin, Texas. Robert Rodriguez is from there." Um, who's the guy in Slacker? Um, the guy that did Slacker and Dazed and Confused and, uh...

Joe Rogan 20:12 Linkletter? Richard Linkletter?

Joe DeRosa 20:12 Yeah, Richard Linkletter, he was from here. And I'm like, "Well, those guys are doing stuff down there." And, you know, I had no fucking concept how any of it worked.

Joe Rogan 20:20 Right.

Joe DeRosa 20:20 So I move down here. I g- I met a few people that had the same interest. I was like, "Yeah, this is what I wanna do." Immediately, they were like, "Yeah, get in fucking line, buddy."

Joe Rogan 20:29 Ugh.

Joe DeRosa 20:29 "Good luck." Right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:32 Jesus. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 20:32 Right? (laughs) So I got a job. Uh, I, for a little while I was working at, like, the PBS or whatever, the government TV station over here, whatever the hell it was.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Mike Judge is out of here too. Don't forget that.

Joe DeRosa 20:43 Oh, yeah, Mike Judge, yes.

Joe Rogan 20:44 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 20:45 And I was working there and you're, you know, it was brutal. You're holding a camera for four hours in a studio as two people talk about, you know, uh, (laughs) fucking, I don't know, new county lines and shit. Your neck is burning. It was miserable. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:59 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 21:00 So, so I saw in the paper, uh, an, an ad, back when you opened a newspaper to find a job, and it said, "Help wanted. Texas Senate Media Department. We need radi- a radio reporter."

Joe Rogan 21:13 Oh.

Joe DeRosa 21:13 I was like, "Well, shit, man. I'm already a performer," 'cause I play, I was playing music and stuff, and I already had an interest in comedy, and I was like, "But... And it's radio, so I know how to do production, whatever." So I applied, and I got the job, and the job was the Senate de- the Senate has its own media department, and, uh, I was one of the people they sent to the Senate floor every single day for the legislative hearings, and I had to take notes and do a radio show at the end of every day that surmised whatever happened that day, and then you'd upload it to a server, and then all these local radio stations in Texas would download it and play it as their news break. And that's what I did every day.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Oh, my god.

Joe DeRosa 22:00 And I sucked at it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:05 (laughs)

22:05 (laughs)

22:05 How long did you do it for?

Joe DeRosa 22:06 For the whole session, which was, like, six or eight months or something like that.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Oh, my god. What are those people like?

Joe DeRosa 22:11 Joe? Uh, well-

Joe Rogan 22:13 They party a lot, huh?

Joe DeRosa 22:14 Like motherfuckers.

Joe Rogan 22:16 Ain't that crazy?

Joe DeRosa 22:17 I've been hammered with Texas senators. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:21 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 22:21 I don't-

Joe Rogan 22:21 It's not just Texas.

Joe DeRosa 22:22 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:23 It's, it's kinda all of them.

Joe DeRosa 22:24 Yeah. But I, I don't mean drunk. I mean, like, hammered.

Joe Rogan 22:28 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 22:28 These guys would have catfish fries and keg parties, and then-

Joe Rogan 22:31 Somebody left cocaine in the White House, remember?

Joe DeRosa 22:34 (laughs) Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:34 Remember? Yeah, yeah. Somebody left fucking coke-

Joe DeRosa 22:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:37 They brought coke to the White House.

Joe DeRosa 22:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:39 How did you do that? How did you get in with coke?

Joe DeRosa 22:42 Dude, I knew nothing-

Joe Rogan 22:43 Bro, have you seen-

Joe DeRosa 22:43 Oh, go ahead. Sorry.

Joe Rogan 22:44 I'm sorry. Have you seen-

Joe DeRosa 22:45 No, please.

Joe Rogan 22:45 ... Hunter Biden describing why crack is so good? It's the greatest-

Joe DeRosa 22:50 No.

Joe Rogan 22:50 ... crack advertisement of all time.

Joe DeRosa 22:52 No.

Joe Rogan 22:52 If, if crack w- wasn't terrible for you, this guy makes me wanna try crack.

Joe DeRosa 22:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:57 I, I'm not going to. Don't do it. I'm not giving any advice.

Joe DeRosa 23:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:00 But I'm saying, this guy, like, legitimately, this might be the best advertisement for crack of all time.

Joe DeRosa 23:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:08 I'm gonna send it to you, Jamie. You, you, you're gonna watch and you're gonna go, "Oh, my god."

Joe DeRosa 23:12 I'm excited. I'm excited for this.

Joe Rogan 23:13 "I wanna try crack."

Joe DeRosa 23:14 He keeps... He's the gift that keeps on giving.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Well, he's-

Joe DeRosa 23:17 He j- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:17 ... a lot smarter than people give him credit for, I'll tell you that.

Joe DeRosa 23:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Like, he's talking, and one of the things he was talking about was why, um, smoking things are so addictive, why smoking cigarettes are so addictive and, like, the psychology behind it. He's not dumb, but he's just a, a guy who, you know, became an addict, and that fucks your whole life up.

Joe DeRosa 23:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:36 It fucks you... You become a subhuman.

Joe DeRosa 23:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:39 When you're junkied out all the time and you're, you're that dude who's, like, what he was doing, like, making films and shit and driving with a gun, ah.

Joe DeRosa 23:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:46 He was fucking gone. He was out there, dude.

Joe DeRosa 23:50 Well, when you're an addict with money-

Joe Rogan 23:51 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 23:52 ... it gets real wild.

Joe Rogan 23:53 And your dad is one of the most famous people on the planet.

Joe DeRosa 23:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 23:57 It's so crazy. Listen to this.

23:58 The on- the, the only difference between crack cocaine and cocaine is sodium bicarbonate and, and, uh, water and heat, literally. That's it. And those things are pretty much free if you go to, like, a science store. This is not free. You, you, you can go to a, uh, your neighborhood convenience store and just get... Anyway, I don't wanna tell people how to make co- how to make crack cocaine.

Joe DeRosa 24:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:20 But it literally is a mayonnaise jar, cocaine, and baking soda. How different is the experience?

Joe DeRosa 24:24 Oh, it's vastly, vastly different. And, like, for real, I, I, I feel really reluctant to, um, kinda have some euphoric discussion. I know you're not asking me to do that.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 24:35 But have some euphoric discussion about, uh, crack cocaine.

Joe Rogan 24:38 I think this might be kind of the opposite here.

Joe DeRosa 24:40 Okay. No, I... It's the exact opposite. I'm saying I don't want to have the experience-

Joe Rogan 24:45 Gotcha.

Joe DeRosa 24:45 ... of some euphoric recall. That's how powerful-

Joe Rogan 24:49 ... crack cocaine is. Does crack cocaine make you act any differently? No. Is it safer than alcohol? Probably. People think of crack-

Joe DeRosa 24:57 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 24:57 ... as being dirty. It's the exact opposite. When you make crack, what you're doing is you're burning off all the impurities so that it'll bind with the, uh, sodium bicarbonate which makes it smokable. That's all. You know, all of these actors and, you know, people in the past that talked about they had a problem with cocaine and freebasing, they, they were smoking crack.

25:18 So a straw on the stove is the same thing?

25:21 Not exactly. But close to it. Um, but, uh, it's a little bit different. But anyway, my point about it, that, that y- your point about it, which I think is, is true is that there's a thing about crack that is really insidious. And what it is, is that any time, uh ... You know, I think one of the reasons that they believe that smoking cigarettes is so addictive is because it combines three really important things: it's habit-forming, there's an oral fixation, and there is a ritual combined with it. And so the idea of hand to mouth is a habit and a fixation that we learn very early, even as children, with a pacifier, with a spoon, with your thumb, to even to breastfeed, okay? So that, really. So I, and I don't wanna get into the psychology of it because I'm no, I'm no expert, but I do know this, is that you combine with that ignition, combustion, and then you combine the ritual, you have your cigarette in the morning, you have a cigarette when you get out of the car, you have your cigarette with your coffee. Crack is that on steroids. It's over and over.

Joe DeRosa 26:23 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 26:24 Ritual to it. There's a ritualized part of it. The combination of all of those addictive behaviors together becomes like really powerful. And the drug in and of itself is a more immediate euphoric sensation, and uh, connected to it than, in my experience, cocaine alone.

26:40 Does it require more frequency to maintain the high?

26:43 Yes. Yes. And it, the capacity to use more than you could otherwise with powder cocaine, just physically to be able to ingest it.

Joe DeRosa 26:52 Okay.

Joe Rogan 26:52 So you kind of, you-

Joe DeRosa 26:53 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Um, we should give that guy credit. Who, who's, uh, who's the dude who's interviewing him? Andrew Callaghan, Channel 5.

Joe DeRosa 26:58 Well, he nailed it. He did a great job. Um, that's the best ad for coke ever. It's the best.

Joe Rogan 27:03 Best ad for crack ever.

Joe DeRosa 27:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:04 Um, and he could be president.

Joe DeRosa 27:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:06 How about that? How about that?

Joe DeRosa 27:08 Th- th- that kid right there-

Joe Rogan 27:09 How about that?

Joe DeRosa 27:10 (laughs) He could. Like him no bullshit. Hunter Biden after all he'd been through. Look, we all, all ... His dirty laundry is all out there. We all see it. He, he was a freak. He, uh ... Speaking of which.

Joe Rogan 27:20 He's a smart ... Smarter than his dad when his dad was young.

Joe DeRosa 27:24 He's-

Joe Rogan 27:24 And he was a crackhead.

Joe DeRosa 27:25 He spoke so eloquently about crack just then.

Joe Rogan 27:29 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 27:29 I mean that was... And by the way, you know what two words got me?

Joe Rogan 27:32 What?

Joe DeRosa 27:32 Ignition was the first one. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:34 Yeah. Jesus bro.

Joe DeRosa 27:35 And I forget was, uh, I forget the second word but ignition, I was like, "You got my ears here." But I have a friend that smoked crack.

Joe Rogan 27:42 Oh my God, I have a couple.

Joe DeRosa 27:44 Yeah, and I said, "What was it like? Like how d- describe it to me." And he goes, "Dude," he goes, "the best way I could describe it is imagine you are as horny as humanly possible. You have a raging hard on and a woman sits down on your dick for two seconds and then plops off and walks away." He goes, he goes, "That sensation of the thrill of that," he goes, "that's the only way I could think to kind of equate like what the charge of it is and how excited you are-"

Joe Rogan 28:15 Jesus.

Joe DeRosa 28:15 "... and how you feel you need to immediately do it again."

Joe Rogan 28:18 And when you do it again, do you get the same reaction? Or is it dumbed down?

Joe DeRosa 28:22 Uh, that I don't remember what he said, but I got the impression that it's kind of like, you know ... It's that-

Joe Rogan 28:29 It has to be, right?

Joe DeRosa 28:29 Just on repeat. It's the broken record-

Joe Rogan 28:31 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 28:31 ... of the-

Joe Rogan 28:31 Up and down, up and down, and then big crashes.

Joe DeRosa 28:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:34 I had a buddy in, in New York that smoked crack, and he would have these giant crashes, and one of the things that he would have to do is he would have to go to, um, uh, a store, like a liquor store, and get a 40 ounce of malt liquor.

Joe DeRosa 28:47 Okay.

Joe Rogan 28:47 That was how he'd calm himself down from the crack. So like a lot of times I would pick him up. Um, I would even drop him off when he was buying the shit back then. And, um, then, um, when I'd get him, he'd, he'd just be like pale like cardboard, and had to drink malt liquor. It was like he was about to have a fucking heart attack.

Joe DeRosa 29:08 But by the way, that's all it takes is one 40 ounce? I'm thinking you need to fucking mainline a bottle of Jack Daniels to, to even out.

Joe Rogan 29:17 You would, you would get a couple of 40's.

Joe DeRosa 29:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 29:19 But one 40 is really strong. Those are, those are, things are crazy strong. Like malt liquor ... Okay, it's kind of crazy that malt liquor is only in the hood.

Joe DeRosa 29:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:31 Kind of crazy.

Joe DeRosa 29:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:32 'Cause there's a lot of beer that tastes like shit. You know, it's not like malt liquor is like a fine Sam, Sam Adams ale.

Joe DeRosa 29:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:39 You know? Malt liquor's got a, it's, it's just there to get you fucked up, and if it's cold, it's tolerable.

Joe DeRosa 29:44 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Why is it way more popular in the hood?

Joe DeRosa 29:48 Yeah, uh, it's, well, it's usually very ... 40's are usually very cheap.

Joe Rogan 29:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 29:52 It is malt liquor but it's cheap. We used to buy 40's when I was in college. That's all we drank 'cause it was cheap.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Right.

Joe DeRosa 29:57 We used to drink a 40 called Camo.

Joe Rogan 29:59 (exhales)

Joe DeRosa 30:01 The, the, the label was camouflage, the cheapest looking camouflage g- design ever, and it said camo in like the Army stamp. It was a $1.50 a 40, and it was 8.9% alcohol.

Joe Rogan 30:13 Oh my God. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 30:14 So college, it's perfect.

Joe Rogan 30:15 That's so strong.

Joe DeRosa 30:15 There it is, baby. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:17 I remember Olde English. I remember Olde English, and, um, I remember, um ... God there was a bunch of 'em. There was a bunch of those, like, giant malt liquors that everybody... What were the big name ones? They were always in rap songs.

Joe DeRosa 30:32 Oh dude, uh, O.E.

Joe Rogan 30:34 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 30:34 Uh-

Joe Rogan 30:34 Olde English is a big one.

Joe DeRosa 30:35 Uh, 8 Ball was, um-

Joe Rogan 30:37 Colt 45.

Joe DeRosa 30:38 Colt 45.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Colt 45.

Joe DeRosa 30:39 Colt 45.

Joe Rogan 30:39 That's right. Yeah. King Cobra.

Joe DeRosa 30:42 Yeah. Hurricane.

Joe Rogan 30:43 Olde English 800 is, that was the classic, the Olde English 800.

Joe DeRosa 30:46 St. Ides. Yeah, Olde English 800 was 8 Ball.

Joe Rogan 30:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 30:49 That was the Easy-E song 8 Ball-

Joe Rogan 30:51 Right.

Joe DeRosa 30:51 ... if you remember.

Joe Rogan 30:51 Bro, you, you drink that stuff, you will get fucked up.

Joe DeRosa 30:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:55 Like that's a weird gray area between liquor and, and beer. You know what I mean?

Joe DeRosa 31:02 It tastes like shit.

Joe Rogan 31:03 Ugh.

Joe DeRosa 31:03 It tastes like you, it tastes like you took bad beer-

Joe Rogan 31:06 Blah.

Joe DeRosa 31:06 ... and poured vodka in it.

Joe Rogan 31:07 Blah.

Joe DeRosa 31:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:08 (laughs) ... so nasty.

Joe DeRosa 31:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:10 But yet, totally legal.

Joe DeRosa 31:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Which I, I agree with. I agree with, totally legal.

Joe DeRosa 31:16 And I mean, but what you were saying though, about you'll find it in the hood or whatever-

Joe Rogan 31:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 31:20 ... it applies, same thing to college kids. Dude, when you don't have a ton of cash and you wanna get fucked up-

Joe Rogan 31:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 31:25 ... and for under $5.00 you can get two 40s-

Joe Rogan 31:28 Oh, yeah, and you're blitzed. Two 40s.

Joe DeRosa 31:29 ... you got yourself a night. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 31:32 You got yourself a hell of a night.

Joe Rogan 31:33 Hell of a night.

Joe DeRosa 31:35 (laughs) Um, but wait. The so- remember I said earlier, the sober thing-

Joe Rogan 31:40 But wait.

Joe DeRosa 31:41 Uh, what? What's that?

Joe Rogan 31:42 I said, but wait.

Joe DeRosa 31:43 But wait, but wait. You, I just saw the clip, I remember you telling me in the green room that you stopped drinking.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 31:48 And then I just saw the clip of you saying to Ron White that you, you think you're done.

Joe Rogan 31:52 I mean, I will, I would most certainly, uh, have a glass of wine at some point and time in my life. But as far as like regular drinking, drinking every week-

Joe DeRosa 32:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:00 ... I'm definitely done.

Joe DeRosa 32:01 I, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:02 You feel better. It's crazy. I mean, it seems so, it's such a simple thing to, um, Chris Williams did it first. He was like the first guy that I know that's like a podcaster that ju- just said it's been his biggest like life hack has changed. And I was like, "Really? That big of a deal?" And he's like, "That big of a deal." He's like, "It really, it's like a remarkable change-"

Joe DeRosa 32:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:22 "... in the energy levels that you have." 'Cause you're not fucking poisoning yourself all the time.

Joe DeRosa 32:27 Yeah. I love it.

Joe Rogan 32:29 It's so fun.

Joe DeRosa 32:30 (laughs) It's the most fun.

Joe Rogan 32:31 It's so fun.

Joe DeRosa 32:31 It's the most fun.

Joe Rogan 32:32 It's so fun. It's so fun to get a little tipsy.

Joe DeRosa 32:35 That's what Ari, Ar- I remember speaking to Ari, Ari said that to me once 'cause I remember when Ari got into like enjoying drinking.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 32:42 And I go... 'Cause he didn't for a while.

Joe Rogan 32:43 He didn't drink for a long time.

Joe DeRosa 32:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:45 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 32:45 And I go, "You like it now?" And he goes, "It's the most fun thing." (laughs) And I was like, "Yeah, it's pretty fucking fun, man."

Joe Rogan 32:50 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 32:50 But I saw a kid in the coffee shop today, I was waiting in line to, to, to order and the kid in front of me turned around and he's like, "Hey man, I love your comedy," whatever. He was a nice kid. And he goes, he goes, "Dude, are you sober too now?"

Joe Rogan 33:06 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 33:06 "All you guys are getting sober." I was like, "No, no, no." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:11 (laughs) Oh, you guys. That's funny, they think like we act, we move as a group.

Joe DeRosa 33:14 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:15 They're all, they're all Republicans now. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 33:19 There's, it's, the, the things I hear people apply to this comedy scene, I'm just like, what the fuck are you guys-

Joe Rogan 33:25 It's so dumb. It's so dumb.

Joe DeRosa 33:26 It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 33:27 I read another article the other day about us being an anti-woke comedy scene.

Joe DeRosa 33:33 Yeah, the thing about UCB coming in?

Joe Rogan 33:35 Like look, why not just do great stuff? Go do great stuff. Don't worry about what we're doing. And we're not anti-woke.

Joe DeRosa 33:42 It's-

Joe Rogan 33:43 There's no anti-woke, there's, there's like a shit ton of left wing comics at the Mothership. It's like that's not, not what we're talking about.

Joe DeRosa 33:49 Yeah. It's-

Joe Rogan 33:50 We're not dwelling on that. We're making fun of things.

Joe DeRosa 33:53 It, it, that article upset me because when I saw the headline, I was excited 'cause I used to do UCB shows in New York.

Joe Rogan 34:02 I did them in LA.

Joe DeRosa 34:03 Yeah. And I did them in LA too and I was like, "Oh cool, UCB's coming?" Like it'll be more stuff-

Joe Rogan 34:07 That was always fun.

Joe DeRosa 34:08 ... for the scene and stuff.

Joe Rogan 34:09 The scenes, it's always better if there's more in the scene. But that's also, you gotta realize, like someone framing it in a way-

Joe DeRosa 34:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:14 ... that's gonna get people to read it.

Joe DeRosa 34:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:16 And then there's people that genuinely do think that way and it's j- what a lot of that is, I think, is the walled garden issue and the fact that there's like a walled garden. Right? And what is a walled garden? It's a bunch of people that are doing really well together and they're hanging out together and they have fun. And you're not in that group. You start getting mad at that and you find reasons why that's bad 'cause, you know, you want something like that in your life, which we all do. If I see like a whole group of friends, like palling around and laughing, I always smile because I know what that's like. I like it.

Joe DeRosa 34:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:46 But if you never have that in your life and you see a group of people palling around and having a good time together and hugging each other, just laughing and just having a good old time, you feel like left out.

Joe DeRosa 34:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:56 You feel like, you feel disrespected almost.

Joe DeRosa 34:59 Yeah.

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Joe DeRosa 36:16 Yeah. Do you re-

Joe Rogan 36:17 People get angry.

Joe DeRosa 36:18 Do you remember like, I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but I'm as- I'm assuming you have. It's kinda like when you're coming up the ladder initially in show business and you see famous people on TV and whatever, and you got an opinion about everybody that's-

Joe Rogan 36:33 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 36:33 ... having too much fun, that's annoying.

Joe Rogan 36:34 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 36:35 And like, that guy's music sucks and this, that, or the other.

Joe Rogan 36:37 He's a hack.

Joe DeRosa 36:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Yeah, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 36:38 And then five years later you find yourself in a room with the guy at some party and you meet him and talk to him and, and you go, "What? He's the nicest."

Joe Rogan 36:47 Man. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 36:47 "What the fu- what the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 36:48 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 36:48 "Why, I think I like his music now." (laughs) It just changes.

Joe Rogan 36:54 I know. It's so stupid. But it's just a st- a normal thing that people do. We talk shit. And then the problem now is you talk shit and you're just talking shit. Like you and I would be talking the same way if we were in Mitzi's bar just-

Joe DeRosa 37:06 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 37:07 ... hanging out. We'd be talking shit.

Joe DeRosa 37:08 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 37:08 And-... if, if someone records that and writes it down, it seems so much different than they're just, just regular talking shit, which is what everybody does.

Joe DeRosa 37:17 Well, and that's, that's one of the things I wrote down here that I wanted to say. And I don't say it, I swear to you, I don't say it to blow smoke, 'cause it's your place and I get to work there a lot and all that stuff. That's all beautiful. I say this very genuinely, man. When I swung in last night, uh, and everybody's at the, the, you know, hanging after Kill Tony and it's usually a fun time. And, uh, and Carrie was like, she's like, "Hey, babe, you want a shot?" And I go, "No, no, not tonight. I gotta, I gotta take it easy tonight." And, uh, I go, "I'm, I'm doing Joe's show tomorrow." And dude, eh, like, the staff, everybody, the friends, the com- everybody being like, "Dude, congrats. Fucking special dropped today. You doing Rogan tomorrow. Dude, kill it. Have fun, dude. We fucking love you." And I step back and I was like, "This feels like family to me. This is a beautiful thing. Everybody's so supportive. There's no backbiting. There's no shit talking. It's all fucking love."

Joe Rogan 38:14 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 38:14 So when I hear people say negative shit about the Austin scene, I'm like, it's- it's- I've, I've found it to be a beautiful experience.

Joe Rogan 38:22 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 38:22 Like truly. Like a truly heartwarming experience.

Joe Rogan 38:24 It's, uh, it's people that aren't in the scene. That's all it is.

Joe DeRosa 38:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:28 It's like people that, that they're looking at it from the outside. And it's not just us that are like this. Like, my thought on all this shit is that my favorite people to hang out with are comedians. And if you make an environment where comedians are really happy and everyone is, has a lot of gratitude-

Joe DeRosa 38:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:47 ... a lot of gratitude for what they're able to do with their life and that they have such great friends and they get to do sets and have fun, and it- it- it transfers over to all the other people, too. It transfers over to the up-and-comers. It transfers over to the staff. Everybody is having a good time. Everybody has a real positive attitude.

Joe DeRosa 39:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:05 That's possible to do.

Joe DeRosa 39:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:07 You don't have to start a cult. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 39:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:11 You don't have to, you just, you know, just make a place.

Joe DeRosa 39:15 It's, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:15 And you can do it. It can be done. We did it at The Comedy Store. We, th- The Comedy Store was pretty fucking positive for the most part before we left.

Joe DeRosa 39:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:23 And we do it here, too. And, and some people don't wanna hang with comics, they're lone wolves, and that's fine too, man. That's not what it's about. The, what it's about is making an environment where it's easiest possible for someone to thrive.

Joe DeRosa 39:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:37 So you got a bunch of feedback from a bunch of other comedians. You got a lot of up-and-coming talent that are, like, really killing it on stage and really trying to be heard and really writing new stuff all the time, performing all the time. It's good for everybody.

Joe DeRosa 39:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:51 It's like a big old pressure cooker.

Joe DeRosa 39:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:52 It's like a, a wrestling room at Iowa State.

Joe DeRosa 39:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:55 You know, it's like, "Oh, Jesus Christ." Like, "There's a bunch of killers in this fucking room." That's good for everybody.

Joe DeRosa 40:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:00 It's good for all of us. That's, I look at it the same way I look at sports. I look at it the way I look at martial arts. Like, what's the best way to get better? You gotta surround yourself with really good people.

Joe DeRosa 40:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:10 Also, make a gym that has everything the fighters need, everything they need, like the UFC Performance Center or something like that, or Performance Institute, something like that.

Joe DeRosa 40:19 Okay.

Joe Rogan 40:20 But make, have a place where it has everything the fighters need. So do that for comedy.

Joe DeRosa 40:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:25 (laughs) So have it set, completely set up. Financially the most beneficial for the comedians. It's like, treats people well. Everybody gets, it's- it's- the whole business is designed to break even.

Joe DeRosa 40:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:37 That's all it's designed to do.

Joe DeRosa 40:38 It was, it was, it was awesome, particularly this past weekend, because I did Ari's shows with him in Fat Man in the big room. And then I was also doing Little Boy spots in between. And it was so, like your, what you're talking about, the gym, right?

Joe Rogan 40:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 40:52 It's like, it was so fucking cool. It's like, you go into Fat Man. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? Then you go into Little Boy, it's a little calmer, a little more quiet.

Joe Rogan 41:02 It's like you're in people's living room.

Joe DeRosa 41:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:04 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 41:04 You sit down on the stool. You, you talk a little slower. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 41:07 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 41:07 "This is so good for growth-"

Joe Rogan 41:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 41:09 "... in both areas." Like-

Joe Rogan 41:11 Just like a gym. Like you'd set up a gym. It's a CrossFit gym.

Joe DeRosa 41:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:14 You know, it's like over there you do your weights. Over here you do your cardio.

Joe DeRosa 41:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 41:17 Yeah. It's- it's- it's great, man. It's fucking great.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 41:20 And the staff is just, the staff is so awesome. Like, just the love of the staff is really a beautiful thing.

Joe Rogan 41:25 They're very cool people. And a lot of them, like Carrie and Adam and Jodie-

Joe DeRosa 41:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:29 ... they all came from The Store. So-

Joe DeRosa 41:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Everybody was unemployed, man.

Joe DeRosa 41:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:33 So I scooped them up when they were all unemployed.

Joe DeRosa 41:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:35 (laughs) And I said, "Let's have fun. Let's put something crazy together."

Joe DeRosa 41:39 Egan is the funniest.

Joe Rogan 41:40 He's the best.

Joe DeRosa 41:41 He makes me laugh so hard. He, he watched me the other night, uh, in, in Little Boy, and I came off stage. And he's like, he's like, "Good, good shit, man. Good, that's new shit." And I go-

Joe Rogan 41:53 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 41:53 And I go, "I'm super excited about this Russell Brand joke." And, uh ...

Joe Rogan 41:56 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 41:57 And he goes, "Yeah, yeah." So then the next day, he starts texting me and he goes, "I couldn't sleep last night." And I go, "Why?" And he goes, "I'm just so excited about your new Russell Brand joke." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:08 (laughs) It really is how he thinks, though.

Joe DeRosa 42:12 He goes, "I can't sleep." And I go, "Wait, you're joking, right?" And he goes, "Yes, I'm joking, you fucking idiot." (laughs) It was so funny, dude. We were laughing so hard. He's the best, man.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Well, he learned it from Norm, you know?

Joe DeRosa 42:23 Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:25 But he really does love it. Like, he really does love when people have new shit. Like, he really was joking around, I'm sure, but he was also looks forward to it a lot. He loves, like, the development process. And, you know, he gives really good advice. Like, I've seen him give, like, really good advice to up-and-coming comics about, like, "Maybe this is what you need to concentrate on. This is where you have, like, a- a kind of a hole in your- your game, like how you're setting it up."

Joe DeRosa 42:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:50 "Maybe you have too many words. Maybe you're this, maybe you're that. Maybe you're looking down at the ground. You need to look into the audience a little bit."

Joe DeRosa 42:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:56 You know?

Joe DeRosa 42:56 I learned, uh ... Excuse me. I l- you know, you're always learning, right? But I just re-watched the Garry Shandling doc, the HBO one.

Joe Rogan 43:04 Oh.

Joe DeRosa 43:05 ... and he talks at the beginning of that, he talks about when Mitzi Shore said to him, "Honey, you're not a comic."

Joe Rogan 43:11 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 43:11 "You're not a comic. You're a writer." And then he was so determined to be a comic. And he was like ... And y- you're seeing his notes from his journals from that time.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 43:20 And he's like, "Use your face. Your expressions matter at these moments, and your energy and the way you look." And when ... And I was like, "Oh my God, man."

Joe Rogan 43:27 Wow.

Joe DeRosa 43:28 Like, it's just ... And then you watch his standup and you go, "I can see what he's talking about." You see him go, like, from this to ... Like-

Joe Rogan 43:34 Right. He worked at it.

Joe DeRosa 43:36 And you're like, "Yeah. It's fucking fascinating to me."

Joe Rogan 43:38 "You're not a comic." "You're a writer."

Joe DeRosa 43:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:41 I can see her saying that. Bro, if she said that to me, I'd quit. I'd be like, "Fuck. This is over."

Joe DeRosa 43:47 The, uh, uh ... Who was the guy that used to run The Comic Strip, uh, in n- in New York?

Joe Rogan 43:54 Lewis?

Joe DeRosa 43:55 Uh, not Lewis. Um, um, the guy that passed away. Uh, uh, he had the mustache. Do you remember who I'm talking about?

Joe Rogan 44:04 You mean the guy that got murdered?

Joe DeRosa 44:05 No, no, no, no. No, the guy-

Joe Rogan 44:06 No, that's at The Stand.

Joe DeRosa 44:07 The ... Yes, that's Dave Kimelwicz.

Joe Rogan 44:09 The Comic Strip.

Joe DeRosa 44:09 Rest in peace. Um-

Joe Rogan 44:10 Who, who passed away at The Comic Strip?

Joe DeRosa 44:12 There was that guy that was kinda legendary in New York that ran The Comic Strip. He was the booker. And when you auditioned, you had to audition for him, and then he would take you into a room and tell you ... Lucien.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Oh, Lucien. Yes. That's right.

Joe DeRosa 44:26 Uh, I remember I auditioned for him, desperately trying to get in anywhere in New York.

Joe Rogan 44:31 Oh, Lucien was brutal.

Joe DeRosa 44:33 He brought me in the room. He sat me down. He goes, "Uh, what can I say? I mean, some of the jokes work, but I don't believe you."

Joe Rogan 44:41 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 44:41 And, uh, and then he goes, "Look at the way you dress. You clearly have no pride in your appearance." (laughs) And I was like-

Joe Rogan 44:46 Oh, God.

Joe DeRosa 44:46 ... "Jesus Christ." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:49 Yeah. He was brutal. I don't remember what he said to me-

Joe DeRosa 44:51 He was-

Joe Rogan 44:51 ... but it was also not favorable. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 44:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:54 He would, like, occasionally give me spots, but (clears throat) I think he thought I was too dirty.

Joe DeRosa 44:59 Oh, boy.

Joe Rogan 44:59 But I was 21. I didn't have anything to say. I've n- I had n- nothing to say.

Joe DeRosa 45:04 How long were you in New York? You were outta New York way before I came to New York, but how long were you there for?

Joe Rogan 45:10 I left New York when I was 25.

Joe DeRosa 45:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:12 20 ... Almost 26, I guess. No, I had to be 26. No, I was 26. Um, and then I came to California initially for this Fox show that I did with Jim Breuer. Jim Breuer was the, um, he was the mascot for the other team, and the ... It w- it was a baseball team (clears throat) called, uh, it was called Hardball.

Joe DeRosa 45:32 It was a sitcom?

Joe Rogan 45:33 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 45:33 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:33 Terrible show. Terrible show.

Joe DeRosa 45:34 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:34 So, I moved out here for that, and then that got canceled.

Joe DeRosa 45:37 You know what's funny, dude? Uh, I was saying this to all the boys out in the, in the, uh, outside area here. Um, I go, "I gotta tell Joe this, 'cause I keep forgetting to tell him." 'Cause I k- and 'cause I always forget, "Oh, he was on that show." I f- I, you know ... News radio during COVID saved my fucking life, dude.

Joe Rogan 45:57 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 45:57 (laughs) I swear to you.

Joe Rogan 45:59 Did you just ... Did you binge it?

Joe DeRosa 46:00 I was so ... I was living in an apartment that only-

Joe Rogan 46:03 (clears throat)

Joe DeRosa 46:03 ... had windows in the bedroom, so I had no light in my apartment.

Joe Rogan 46:07 Oh, no.

Joe DeRosa 46:08 It was a tenement building. The hallway, I was telling the guys outside, I was like, "The hallway-"

Joe Rogan 46:11 You were trapped in a place with no light at all?

Joe DeRosa 46:14 Yeah. The hallway in this building was ... The hallway looked like the alley behind the Wuhan lab.

Joe Rogan 46:19 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 46:19 I was like, I was like, "I'm gonna get COVID from the fucking railing."

Joe Rogan 46:23 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 46:23 It w- (laughs) I was like ... (laughs) It was so gross. E- everybody was so freaked out. Nobody knew what was going on, like, in the beginning. And, um, and, uh, I was like, "Dude, I'm trapped. I, I, I'm alone." Like, "This is the worst thing ever." And my buddy Pat Walsh, who I do my We'll See You In Hell podcast with, he said, "Listen, man, have you seen News Radio?" And I said, "No, I've never seen it. I d- I missed it when it was on." And he goes, "Look, Amazon's got the whole series right now for 20 bucks. Just buy it and watch it." And I bought it, and I watched it. And you, fucking Dave Foley, the best, uh, uh, Phil Hartman. I was just like-

Joe Rogan 47:02 Steve Root, Andy Dick.

Joe DeRosa 47:03 Steve ... Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 47:04 Vicki Lewis.

Joe DeRosa 47:05 It just-

Joe Rogan 47:05 Candy Alexander, Maura Tierney.

Joe DeRosa 47:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 47:08 I t-

Joe Rogan 47:08 It was a great cast.

Joe DeRosa 47:09 It just took me ... 'Cause it was so fun, it was so silly. It was classic. It r- it re- it reminded me of a better time 'cause it was a little bit older, 'cause it was from the '90s.

Joe Rogan 47:20 It was innocent. Yeah. Almo- almost innocent.

Joe DeRosa 47:22 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 47:22 That style of comedy.

Joe DeRosa 47:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:25 It's so silly. It's like a ... It's f- it's a fun thing to do. And th- th- to be able to do it that way, like with those people, they were all so fucking good, you know? And I didn't kno- I had fucking zero acting experience. I did a couple of episodes of that Hardball show. It was terrible, like I said. I wasn't good on it either. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 47:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:44 I'm not a good actor.

Joe DeRosa 47:45 No, you're not.

Joe Rogan 47:46 It's-

Joe DeRosa 47:46 No, no, no, no, no, no, no (laughs) . I wasn't saying no, you're not a good actor. I'm saying no, you're wrong. I wanna compliment you. Sitcom multicam acting, multicam is very different from single cam. Multicam, in my opinion, is the hardest form of acting.

Joe Rogan 48:02 Hmm. No, dude. You do it in front of a crowd. It's like standup. It's not that hard. You know when, when you've got a good one? When you got a good punchline and you can look Andy Dick in the face and say, "Because it says it on the label."

Joe DeRosa 48:14 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 48:14 Like, whatever it is. And you know it's gonna get a big laugh. It's just like doing standup. Like, comics thrive in those multicam sitcoms. That's why they kept giving them to, like, Roseanne-

Joe DeRosa 48:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:24 ... Seinfeld, Brett Butler. They wanted ev- Tim Allen.

Joe DeRosa 48:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Everybody that could do standup-

Joe DeRosa 48:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:30 ... could do that kinda in front of an audience acting.

Joe DeRosa 48:33 See, I think, I think you're not giving yourself enough credit. I think it's ... I think ... I agree with you the idea that if the joke's there, you can land it. But think about it like this with standup, right? Uh, you know, Woody Allen once said, "I used to think it was as easy as just writing a good joke, and if I said it, it was fine." And he goes, "Then I realized that wasn't the case. I had to write g- good jokes that were of my personality." And that's why I'm so enamored by guys that are good at multicam sitcom acting, because they're writing something for a character you're playing. And if y- it's knowing how to land the joke, but also making it believable. I'm, I'm in awe of Kevin James.

Joe Rogan 49:11 Oh, he's the man.

Joe DeRosa 49:12 ... I'm in awe of him. You watch King of Queens, and I'm like, "Jesus Christ, he delivered that line that nine out of 10 other people, it would be in no way organic or believable, that choice he just made. And he does it in a way where you believe that's actually who this person is, and it gets a laugh." Like...

Joe Rogan 49:33 Yeah, that was one of the last-

Joe DeRosa 49:34 Fascinating.

Joe Rogan 49:35 ... of the great sitcoms.

Joe DeRosa 49:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:36 Right? Because, like, what, when did the sitcom officially die? The only one who has a sitcom right now that I know is Ms. Pat.

Joe DeRosa 49:43 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:43 And hers is on the BET app.

Joe DeRosa 49:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:46 Um, but who else? Who else do you know that has a sitcom?

Joe DeRosa 49:50 No, but it, my, my, my buddy Pat, I just mentioned, works on that show, actually. And I agree. It's-

Joe Rogan 49:54 Well, Shane has a sitcom, but Saint-

Joe DeRosa 49:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:56 ... Shane's Sitc- Tires is not really a sitcom. It's a single-cam-

Joe DeRosa 50:00 Well, it's single-cam sitcom.

Joe Rogan 50:00 ... or multi-comedy show.

Joe DeRosa 50:01 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:02 It's not a situation comedy, right? Is it?

Joe DeRosa 50:05 Well, it's a si- it is-

Joe Rogan 50:06 Is it a sitcom, technically?

Joe DeRosa 50:07 It is, uh, it, it, yes. But it's a single-cam, like the multicam-

Joe Rogan 50:11 It's different.

Joe DeRosa 50:11 ... is the-

Joe Rogan 50:11 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 50:11 ... is the traditional whatever. But, uh, I think it died, I was watching, um, I also watched this later during COVID, um, uh, Rules of Engagement, which was David Spade's last sitcom. It was him and Patrick Warburton. I don't know if you remember that show.

Joe Rogan 50:28 Patrick Warburton was on, uh, NewsRadio a bit, too.

Joe DeRosa 50:31 He was?

Joe Rogan 50:31 He did a couple episodes, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 50:33 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 50:34 Yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 50:35 I forget how many he did.

Joe DeRosa 50:37 Um, but that show came out in, like, I think it ended in, like, 2017-ish.

Joe Rogan 50:43 So that was probably the last one?

Joe DeRosa 50:45 Yeah.

Narrator 50:45 2013.

Joe Rogan 50:46 2013?

Joe DeRosa 50:46 2013, wow. So you watch it, and they're getting jokes in where you're like, you can tell two years later, they wouldn't have allowed any of these jokes, you know?

Joe Rogan 50:54 You know what, a show that I used to shit on-

Joe DeRosa 50:56 What's that?

Joe Rogan 50:56 ... until I watched it, it was a really good show, and I feel bad that I used to shit on it? Big Bang Theory.

Joe DeRosa 51:01 Yeah, Big Bang Theory's funny.

Joe Rogan 51:02 It's funny, man. It's a good show.

Joe DeRosa 51:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:04 It's that kind of a thing, like if you, if that's what you want, you want, like, a fun-

Joe DeRosa 51:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:08 ... sitcom, that's a fun sitcom, man. And I, I had always thought it was crap.

Joe DeRosa 51:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:13 I had always heard it was crap, everybody... And I had made this judgment on it based on other people's opinions of it.

Joe DeRosa 51:18 The, and y- we were talking earlier about when people hate on something.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 51:22 Big Bang Theory, one of the most hated on sitcoms, everybody-

Joe Rogan 51:25 And went forever.

Joe DeRosa 51:26 Went forever.

Joe Rogan 51:27 Was the number one show in the world.

Joe DeRosa 51:29 I worked with Johnny Galecki, he was the fucking man, the coolest dude I've ever ...

Joe Rogan 51:35 Which one's he?

Joe DeRosa 51:35 He's the kid that was on Roseanne, the guy with the glasses.

Joe Rogan 51:39 Oh, okay.

Joe DeRosa 51:39 He was kind of like the main dude outside of Sheldon. You know what I'm talking about?

Joe Rogan 51:43 Oh, right, right, right. Yes, yes, yes.

Joe DeRosa 51:44 The man. I got drunk with him and fell down the stairs at his house.

Joe Rogan 51:51 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 51:51 (laughs) And he thought it was-

Joe Rogan 51:51 Oh, well, lucky you didn't need insurance.

Joe DeRosa 51:53 No, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:55 That would've been another story. "And then they fucked me over."

Joe DeRosa 51:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Bro, speaking about getting fucked over, wanna hear a story that I read today? Um, Jamie, find out if this is true, but I'm pretty sure it is. There was a guy who decided that he was gonna leave Texas because of the woke direction that America is going in, and so he decides to go to Russia, 'cause there's some guy, some American set up like an expat community in Russia.

Joe DeRosa 52:19 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:20 And this guy goes in there, and then they conscript him for the army and send him to the front line. Father who moved from, family from Russia to escape woke America is sent to the front line.

Joe DeRosa 52:32 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 52:33 Bro, that's cr- that's a crazy story.

Joe DeRosa 52:39 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 52:40 With his family, with his wife and his daughters, he just moves there, doesn't know anything about the culture. And all of a sudden, "You're in the army."

Joe DeRosa 52:47 That's it.

Joe Rogan 52:48 "Yeah, you're in the army."

Joe DeRosa 52:49 No tr-

Joe Rogan 52:49 "We need you."

Joe DeRosa 52:50 And by the way, w-

Joe Rogan 52:51 Bro.

Joe DeRosa 52:52 ... fed up with woke America? I would think Texas is a place where...

Joe Rogan 52:55 (laughs) Like if you f- Texas is too woke for you, you need to go spend a couple months in Silver Lake. (laughs) You think Texas is too woke?

Joe DeRosa 53:04 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:06 Go hang out in the East Village for a couple weeks.

Joe DeRosa 53:08 Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. I lived in Silver Lake. It is, it is-

Joe Rogan 53:13 Insufferable.

Joe DeRosa 53:14 ... fasciously woke in Silver Lake.

Joe Rogan 53:15 It's insufferable.

Joe DeRosa 53:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:16 Everybody needs antidepressants. No one has any vitamin D. They're-

Joe DeRosa 53:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:21 (laughs) They're all fucking, they're all rotting out from the inside. They're all overwhelmed with anxiety, trying to control everyone's speech and behavior. And, like, every fucking flag that you can possibly wave for what you support. What, what are we on this week?

Joe DeRosa 53:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:35 What are we doing this week?

Joe DeRosa 53:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Like, everyone's fucking nuts.

Joe DeRosa 53:38 I think a city... That was always one of my big gripes with, with life in LA or, or more specifically Hollywood. I think a city where you have to drive to get to the bar, you, you, you got a problem. Because nobody's able to just go out the front door, go down the street, and just have some fun.

Joe Rogan 53:58 Right.

Joe DeRosa 53:58 Everything is, it's gotta be planned, it's gotta be this, it's gotta be that.

Joe Rogan 54:01 Hard to park.

Joe DeRosa 54:02 Yeah. So nobody cuts loose.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Also, you're always in your car, so you're always isolated from other people-

Joe DeRosa 54:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:07 ... until you integrate, and then you're back to my isolation. And in New York, you're ha- you have to integrate. Like, you just, you get on the subway, you walk down the street, everybody's there with everybody.

Joe DeRosa 54:16 Yep. Dude-

Joe Rogan 54:17 There's something to be said for that.

Joe DeRosa 54:18 There is. I always, when I lived in LA, I said, "The reason I don't like LA..." I always said, "The ultimate goal of people in LA is isolation. The ultimate goal of people in New York is integration." In LA, the big dream is what? Let me get the-

Joe Rogan 54:31 Mansion.

Joe DeRosa 54:31 Yeah, the house way up in these hills, and there's-

Joe Rogan 54:34 Big old gate with dogs and fucking dudes on-

Joe DeRosa 54:36 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:37 ... sniper posts.

Joe DeRosa 54:38 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:39 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 54:39 Guys being like, "I got an eye scanner on my house."

Joe Rogan 54:41 Dudes with turrets-

Joe DeRosa 54:42 You know?

Joe Rogan 54:42 ... with machine guns.

Joe DeRosa 54:43 Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, you know, and, and the only peop- and then they have these parties in LA where they hire a staff to create the environment of a bar in their home. So, now they've creat-

Joe Rogan 54:55 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 54:55 There's like catering waiters-

Joe Rogan 54:57 Yep.

Joe DeRosa 54:57 ... walking around and shit. And you're like, "Guys, I'm just trying to play beer pong and, like, get fucked up. Like, what is this?"

Joe Rogan 55:02 It's so weird.

Joe DeRosa 55:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:03 It's so weird.

Joe DeRosa 55:03 But New York, you could be top floor of Trump Tower. Guess what? You walk out the front door, you're going to the same shit newsstand that I'm going to. You're getting your coffee from the same fucking place.

Joe Rogan 55:13 That's another thing New York still has, newsstands.

Joe DeRosa 55:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 55:16 People still buy the newspaper.

Joe DeRosa 55:18 Isn't that wild?

Joe Rogan 55:18 The actual newspaper.

Joe DeRosa 55:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:20 I wonder what percentage of newspapers get sold in New York City.

Joe DeRosa 55:24 That's a great question.

Joe Rogan 55:25 Because nobody's buying newspapers anymore.

Joe DeRosa 55:27 No.

Joe Rogan 55:27 Like, what perce- is it possible to find out what New York Times give that information out? Like, what...... percentage of the New York Times, once consumed in paper form, is purchased in New York City?

Joe DeRosa 55:37 It's, it's, uh, i- i- i- i- it's probably the most out of anywhere, right? Because there's so many old school New Yorkers that are like, "This is how you read the news."

Joe Rogan 55:46 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 55:46 That's part of their life.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Oh, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 55:47 Getting the Times every morning, going home.

Joe Rogan 55:49 Those people are a problem. (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 55:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:51 The... Those, those people don't... They don't know they're getting fucked. They don't know the internet.

Joe DeRosa 55:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:55 They haven't made their way through Reddit yet.

Joe DeRosa 55:59 (laughs) The, uh, Billy Connolly-

Joe Rogan 56:00 They haven't seen the Fauci memes.

Joe DeRosa 56:02 Billy Connolly had this joke in, after he got sober, where he was talking about living in New York. And he goes, "Every morning my routine is I walk to the newsstand. I buy a cup of coffee and the c- the morning edition of the New York Times. My life is a ball of fire." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:18 (laughs) Oh.

Joe DeRosa 56:23 And then the funniest part of the joke is, he said, there was the same homeless guy every day that he would give money to. And he said one day, the homeless guy goes, "You know you don't have to give me money every day." And he goes, "I know y- I don't, you little fucking cunt." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:35 Jesus.

Joe DeRosa 56:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:38 It's better with a Scottish accent, right?

Joe DeRosa 56:39 It is. Yeah, it is. Um...

Joe Rogan 56:41 Yeah, it's... Th- there's something to be said for living jammed up with people. But I think ultimately the problem is, it's just overstimulation.

Joe DeRosa 56:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:49 I don't think it's good for peace of mind. I think it's good for energy. See, one of the things that my friends that love it there, they all talk about... Like my friend Jeff, who's been there forever, he's like, "I love the energy of this city." I'm like, "Really?" Huh. Energy.

Joe DeRosa 57:04 New York's one of those places, man, when... I loved it. God, I loved it. And I still have a lot of love for the city. It wasn't for me to live in anymore. But I always said, like, New York is one of those cities, whenever you get there, what... Doesn't matter what year it is, when you get there, that begins your impression of the best version of New York. And eventually, might take five years, might take two decades, might take 30 years, whatever, eventually you're gonna say, "This isn't what it used to be anymore." But there's a crop of people coming in right at that time that are saying, "This is the best place ever."

Joe Rogan 57:40 Oh, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 57:40 And 30 years from now, they're gonna say they're tired of it or whatever. But-

Joe Rogan 57:43 Listen, buddy, 30 years from now, we're all gonna be serving robots.

Joe DeRosa 57:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:46 Okay? So, all this good old day stuff, th- we are the last people-

Joe DeRosa 57:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:51 ... that are gonna talk about the good old days.

Joe DeRosa 57:53 Yeah. This is it.

Joe Rogan 57:53 We're the last ones.

Joe DeRosa 57:54 Yeah. And I agree with you. We'll, we'll be serving robots.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 57:57 Not robots are gonna be... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:59 I remember people used to talk, people used to talk about the good old days of Times Square. And I was always like, "You're crazy. Like, you want Times Square to be filled with criminals and peep shows and fucking drug dealers?"

Joe DeRosa 58:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:10 And it was super sketchy.

Joe DeRosa 58:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:12 Super sketchy. And then I saw it the way it is now, where it's a giant Applebee's, and I was like, "Oh, they were right." (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 58:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:22 It's so... You know? It's like, it's one of those things, like, you see where it's going. You see where it's going, you're like, "You guys don't understand. This is going, this is going in a terrible direction." You j- this is, this is just the first steps of something going in a terrible direction.

Joe DeRosa 58:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:36 Like, at first you think it's good, because there's no more peep shows, there's no more, uh, g- you know, uh, g- street hustlers-

Joe DeRosa 58:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:43 ... and scary people trying to rob people. But now you have the corporatization of one of the... literally the wildest places-

Joe DeRosa 58:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:51 ... in New York City was Times Square.

Joe DeRosa 58:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:52 It was a wild-ass, crazy place.

Joe DeRosa 58:54 Yeah, yeah. What you want, what you want... To me, the analogy is, you want the perfect dive bar. That's what, that's what we all want. Feels comfortable.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Right.

Joe DeRosa 59:03 Little gritty.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 59:05 But I feel okay. Once in a while, you'll go, "Let's find a dive bar," and you walk in, and there's too many boxes in the corner, and s- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:12 ... nothing works, and you're like, "Something's not right here." There was a... One we used to go to in LA, there was a motel upstairs, and the bar downstairs only served two things, Modelo and Corona. And we were like, (laughs) "There is some sort of pimping operation or something happening in here." It's too much.

Joe DeRosa 59:28 There's a lot of places like that, that you know are losing money. You're like, "Oh, is this... Chinese triads own this?" Like, "Who owns this fucking business?"

Joe Rogan 59:35 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 59:35 Like, "How is this business still open?"

Joe Rogan 59:36 Yeah, yeah. But you want, you want perfect dive bar i- f- vibes.

Joe DeRosa 59:41 Yeah. Yeah. When it... You know, when it's too... New York... Times Square now is like, it's like going to a bar in Epcot Center-

Joe Rogan 59:48 Uh-huh.

Joe DeRosa 59:48 ... and you're like, "Oh, God, this has no pulse. I didn't want it this clean. Not this clean."

Joe Rogan 59:54 Qu-... When I was a kid, I used to play pool in New York at Chelsea Billiards. It's a 24-hour pool hall that was known throughout the world-

Joe DeRosa 1:00:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 ... as a place where like the best pool players in New York City would go and gamble. So, I'd go there 2:00, 3:00 in the morning, any given night-

Joe DeRosa 1:00:08 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 ... and you would find some of the best players in the world matching up, playing pool for money.

Joe DeRosa 1:00:13 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Oh, it was amazing. And it was just 24/7. It was open all the time. So there's people, like guys who were street hustlers, who were pool hustlers, who would sleep under the tables. There was a bunch of people there that were like really talented pool players, but they were basically homeless, and they would just run around and... My friend that I was telling you about that smoked crack, he... That's how I knew him.

Joe DeRosa 1:00:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 He, he was, he was basically a homeless crackhead who was a genius pool player. Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 1:00:35 Did you ever get to play against any of the, like, big guys? Like...

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Yeah, I got my ass kicked. I played at a bunch of tournaments. I wasn't f- nearly good enough back then to play against those guys. I was just learning pool-

Joe DeRosa 1:00:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 ... but I was fascinated by it. But it was just the place... New Yo- the kind of thing that you'd have in New York City, there was all these different places we could go, we could go to like 10, 15 places that were pool halls in New York City. There were... 24 hours.

Joe DeRosa 1:00:58 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 And you would go there, and this one was a complete Chinese-owned place. You would go there and... Like some of them you would go to. Not Chelsea, but some of them you would go to, they were off the beaten path. You'd go there, everyone spoke Chinese, they had Chinese on the wall. They did speak a little bit of English.

Joe DeRosa 1:01:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 You could pay them for table time, you could go and play, and you'd watch these dudes gambling there too.

Joe DeRosa 1:01:17 It's, it's one of, one of my... That, that version of New York, I think, is probably, I would think, extinct.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 It's not-

Joe DeRosa 1:01:24 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 It's not worth enough money.

Joe DeRosa 1:01:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 See, the thing is like if you could put some Louis Vuitton store-

Joe DeRosa 1:01:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 ... in the place where that used to be-

Joe DeRosa 1:01:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 ... that's gonna make a lot more money-

Joe DeRosa 1:01:32 Of course.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 ... than this seedy 24-hour pool hall that charges 20 bucks an hour for table time.

Joe DeRosa 1:01:37 Of course. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 That's ridiculous. How are you getting rich?

Joe DeRosa 1:01:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 How are you getting rich off-

Joe DeRosa 1:01:40 Because-

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 ... $20 an hour table time?

Joe DeRosa 1:01:42 The Louis Vuitton store has... doesn't have crackheads sleeping under the-

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 1:01:45 ... purses. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 But it was so fun, man. It was like... To be a young man and to be around all those people was like a very... It was a very interesting experience 'cause it... although-... I knew it wasn't healthy for them, and I knew it wasn't a smart way to live your life. The fact that they were, like, dedicated to never doing anything but what they were doing. And they were smart people, man.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:06 (Exhales) Yeah. That's, that's ... It's, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 It's fucking weird.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:11 Commitment is admirable, but that turns into a ver- zon- uh, that gets into the zone where you're like, "This is, this is dark."

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 (exhales)

Joe DeRosa 1:02:16 This is very dark.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 It was totally dark.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 But they just didn't fit.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 They didn't fit. Okay? Th- y- like, just like you barely fit in that senate office.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 They didn't fit at all.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 They just couldn't do it, for ... They have an ad- ... Whether it's ADHD, stepmom beat them with a belt, whatever the fuck it was.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 It's, they're not gonna fit.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:33 Yeah.

Narrator 1:02:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 They're not gonna fit in whatever corporate cookie-cutter life.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 But they had a place in pool halls where they c- they could hang out with other misfits. And that was, like, a big part of the charm of the place.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 It was a magnet for misfits.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:48 Yeah. And now they're all DoorDash delivery guys probably. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Uh, they're probably dead.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 I know a lot of them are dead. A lot of dudes that I used to play with are dead.

Joe DeRosa 1:02:57 One of the things that I cherish most about my New York experience was when I first got there, it's how I became friends with Attell. Dave liked to go out back then, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Hmm.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:08 And, and Insomnia or Insomniac was on the air, that show he hosted, where he would-

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Oh.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:12 ... you know, go out-

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:13 ... into the cities.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 And get obliterated.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:16 Yeah. So Dave ... I liked to drink, and Dave was like, "Joe, man. You're a nice kid. Come out with me." And he would take me to these after ho- ... He knew every fucking after hours place.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Of course, of course.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:27 We had a fucking blast. And Attell was classic. He was like Batman. You'd be doing shots with him for three hours, and you'd turn around, and he was gone.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 1:03:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Didn't want to say goodbye.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 "Fuck this, I'm just leaving."

Joe DeRosa 1:03:43 Yeah, and you're literally like, "I'm on Avenue D, I think. Where the fuck am I right now?"

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 And they didn't have GPS back then either.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:49 No GPS, no Uber.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 No Uber.

Narrator 1:03:51 Right.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:51 No Uber. And broke comic, couldn't afford cabs, so I tried-

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Oh, my god.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:54 ... to figure out how to subway back to Queens where I lived.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Oh, my god.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 At 3:00 in the morning.

Joe DeRosa 1:03:58 Oh, my god. 3:00, sometimes 5:00, 6:00.

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Oh, my god.

Joe DeRosa 1:04:02 Like, just, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 That's the other thing. Bars in New York City open till 4:00 AM.

Joe DeRosa 1:04:05 Yeah. That's getting lesser and lesser too, though, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Is it? Yeah?

Joe DeRosa 1:04:08 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. When we opened-

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 But it's legal still.

Joe DeRosa 1:04:12 When we opened, uh, Joey-

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 Is it legal still?

Joe DeRosa 1:04:15 Uh, yes, it is. But there's ... When, when we opened Joey Rosa's, we got a liquor license, 'cause there's a bar component. And, um, the, we ... You know, you ... When we went in for the liquor ... I learned so much about a liquor license when we did that. You probably did too when you opened Mothership. There's, there's, like, all these rules, like, "Okay, you're allowed to serve till midnight on these nights, but not till 2:00. And we'll let you go to 2:00 on these nights, but not till 4:00."

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 Hmm.

Joe DeRosa 1:04:39 "And if you wanna go till 4:00, it has to be in this type of location, where this type of activity will never happen." Meaning, like, a DJ that can offend nei- neighbors, because of-

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Right.

Joe DeRosa 1:04:49 ... the bass or, or it's gotta be situated in a way where people will not be congregating outside, 'cause the venue is large enough to hold them. There's all this shit. But, like, that 4:00 AM shit is going away.

Narrator 1:05:02 Hmm.

Joe DeRosa 1:05:02 I don't think, I don't think they want it in New York anymore, because of ... You know, people get fucked up, and they're puking outside, and then the residents are getting pissed off, and, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 What do you think is gonna happen if this, uh, how do you say his name? Mamdani guy?

Joe DeRosa 1:05:15 I don't know how to say his name, but I do hear talk about him.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Is that how you say his name, Jimmy?

Narrator 1:05:19 Zoran Mom- Mamdani. So, so, it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 Say it again.

Narrator 1:05:24 Zoron? Almost like the movie, I think. But-

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 I ... Say the whole name.

Narrator 1:05:28 Mamdani.

Joe DeRosa 1:05:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 I'm gonna use that as my, uh, ringtone from now on.

Joe DeRosa 1:05:32 (laughs)

Narrator 1:05:33 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 1:05:33 Mamdani.

Narrator 1:05:34 You saying that?

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Mamdani.

Joe DeRosa 1:05:36 Mamdani.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Ugh.

Joe DeRosa 1:05:36 I admittedly know very little about this guy. All I really know is, is half the people seem excited, and half the people seem like it's the worst thing ever. So par for the course, I guess, in politics.

Narrator 1:05:47 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Well, young people are very excited.

Joe DeRosa 1:05:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 Young people think they're gonna ... We're gonna give communism a try. Yay. Let's see what happens.

Joe DeRosa 1:05:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 I know he wants to jack up a lot of taxes for businesses. I don't understand business enough to comment on that. I don't know whether that would be beneficial overall for the net good of everybody or not. But I'm always skeptical when they want more money.

Joe DeRosa 1:06:08 Does he want to jack up taxes on all businesses, or just-

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 I don't know.

Joe DeRosa 1:06:12 ... certain level businesses?

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 I don't know. Y- I think he wants to change the tax code in New York to be the same for businesses as it is for New Jersey, which is a little higher.

Joe DeRosa 1:06:22 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Believe it or not, New Jersey's a little higher than New York.

Joe DeRosa 1:06:24 That city is making it, in my opinion, uh, absolutely impossible for mom and pop businesses to continue to function. And it's-

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 1:06:35 ... starting to happen more and more everywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 That's, that's a shame.

Joe DeRosa 1:06:38 But it is.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 'Cause that's one of the coolest things about New York City, is that you can go into these little mom and pop shops. Um, we went to a sandwich shop, I wish I could remember the name of it, um, near where Taylor Swift's house is. Taylor Swift used to own a house there. This is how we know that.

Joe DeRosa 1:06:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 There was a bunch of gals. We parked over d- in the corn-

Joe DeRosa 1:06:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 We parked on the street to eat our sandwiches, and we're like, "What the fuck is going on at that house?"

Joe DeRosa 1:07:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 And there was ... All these girls would pause in front of the house, and they would get pictures taken. They would, you know, have, like, their perfect angle.

Joe DeRosa 1:07:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 And look cute in front of Taylor Swift's house.

Narrator 1:07:10 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 1:07:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 So these fucking poor people that used to, you know, they bought this house thinking this is dope house. They might not have even known. Or they thought it would be cool. It used to be Taylor Swift's, but everyone's gonna know it's not anymore, so no big deal. No, they take pictures in front-

Joe DeRosa 1:07:23 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 ... of your house every day.

Joe DeRosa 1:07:24 That's so funny. The juxtaposition of those images s- ... A bunch of hot chicks posing perfectly, and then a bunch of dudes in a hot car eating hoagies.

Narrator 1:07:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 1:07:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 From, like, the most classic old school Italian deli that we found in, in wherever that area is.

Joe DeRosa 1:07:40 What ... Do you know ... You don't remember the part of town at all?

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 (sighs) I don't. I could find it. If I wanted to go through my phone, I could find it, 'cause I sent it to my friend Tommy when we were going down there. But ...

Joe DeRosa 1:07:50 I, I feel like I have to know the place you're talking about if ... Uh, uh, it's probably a place I've been ... I feel like I've been to every sandwich place in New York City.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 Anyway.

Joe DeRosa 1:07:58 Yeah, go ahead.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 It was good.

Joe DeRosa 1:07:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 It was-

Joe DeRosa 1:08:00 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 It was really good.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:02 I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 And, uh, it's a mom and pop spot that's been there since, like, 19 fucking 60 or some shit.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:08 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 You know? Been there forever.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:10 I mean, look at Katz's now, dude. Now part of this is-

Joe Rogan 1:08:12 Katz is the best.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:13 T- c- ... Part of this is tourism. Their sandwiches are 29 fucking dollars now.

Joe Rogan 1:08:17 Shut up and just pay them.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 They've been around since the 1800s. Stop being a bitch.... it's worth it. It's worth S- 50 bucks.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 Those are the greatest fucking sandwiches on the known planet.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:28 I was a-

Joe Rogan 1:08:28 When you go there at 2:00 in the morning, and you get a fucking pastrami Reuben from Katz's Deli at 2:00 in the morning with the steak fries, oh my God.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:37 It's a nice lifesaver, late night, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 Oh my God.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:40 I was a big Carnegie Deli guy.

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 Carnegie's great.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:42 They're gone.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 Yeah, they went under.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:44 They're gone s-

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 You know, Jerry's Famous Deli in, in LA was amazing. I think they're all gone. I think they, they closed a bunch of them. They closed the one near where I used to live in Woodland Hills, and then they closed the one in Studio City, I believe, which was the big one.

Joe DeRosa 1:08:58 Wait, is Jerry's ... What's the one that just got shutdown, shutdown for health code stuff, the one that had the godmother, the Italian sandwich that everybody loved, and everybody would go? It was down near the beach, I think.

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 What? I don't know that story.

Joe DeRosa 1:09:10 I think-

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 You're in the restaurant business, son.

Joe DeRosa 1:09:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:13 You know rest-

Joe DeRosa 1:09:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 You know restaurant rumors and gossip.

Joe DeRosa 1:09:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 And you're like, "You know the one? They, they, the code violation?"

Joe DeRosa 1:09:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 I'm like, "What?"

Joe DeRosa 1:09:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:23 What, what fucking Google newsfeed are you on?

Joe DeRosa 1:09:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 You're on a different Google newsfeed than me.

Joe DeRosa 1:09:28 You know restaurants per Taylor Swift. That's your barometer. You're like, "It's this close to Taylor Swift's house."

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 (laughs)

Joe DeRosa 1:09:33 "That's all I know."

Joe Rogan 1:09:34 I just imagine being those poor people. Bay, what is it? Godmother.

Joe DeRosa 1:09:38 Bay Cities.

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 BC Deli.

Joe DeRosa 1:09:40 Something just happened where they, they shutdown for a while.

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 That's in LA?

Narrator 1:09:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe DeRosa 1:09:44 Yeah.

Narrator 1:09:44 A lot of times, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 And they got in trouble for something?

Joe DeRosa 1:09:46 I don't know if they got in trouble.

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 For being too good?

Joe DeRosa 1:09:47 I wanna make sure I'm not speaking outta, outta school here. Sh- yeah, Health Department, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 Shutdown for what?

Joe DeRosa 1:09:52 I think they were pretty v- oh, it says the word vermin. That's never good.

Joe Rogan 1:09:56 Oh, that's not good. They got hit with rats?

Joe DeRosa 1:10:00 God, that's a-

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 See, everybody hates the coyotes in LA.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 But if you don't have coyotes, you have rats.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:05 You have a lot more rats than you do have, like-

Joe DeRosa 1:10:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 ... you need them to keep the ... You guys are fucked up.

Narrator 1:10:10 Temporary.

Joe Rogan 1:10:10 What's that?

Narrator 1:10:10 Temporary closure, working to reopen.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:10:12 Oh, they gotta kill all the rats.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:13 I hope they fix it. I'll tell ya, that's the thing I never expected in New York.

Joe Rogan 1:10:17 Rats?

Joe DeRosa 1:10:18 Y- yeah, it's like you open a food place in New York, y- you open anything in New York, rats is on your checklist-

Joe Rogan 1:10:24 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:24 ... of what you have to be ready to deal with. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. And the city just acts like, "Well-"

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 That's the city.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:32 "That's your problem." It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 They got rats. Everybody has rats.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:34 "Why don't you fix the rats thing a little bit?"

Joe Rogan 1:10:36 They, they cannot.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:37 No.

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 They cannot.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:38 Those rats got bold during ... They evolved during COVID, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:10:41 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 1:10:42 They walk right up to you now in New York. They didn't used to do that. Rats used to scurry if they saw anybody. They walk