Joe Rogan Experience #2356 - Mike Vecchione

1. 0:00 – 1:58

   Back decompression and why tight hamstrings trigger lower-back pain

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Feeling better now?

   4. MVMike Vecchione0:13

      It's awesome.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Does it, does it feel a little bit better?

   6. MVMike Vecchione0:14

      It does feel better, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      A little bit?

   8. MVMike Vecchione0:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      You, it's just a consistent thing, you have to do it every day.

   10. MVMike Vecchione0:18

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       We're talking about decompressing the back, ladies and gentlemen.

   12. MVMike Vecchione0:21

       Lower back pain.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Another thing you can do without a machine is just, um, bend your knees, just bend slightly, grab your arms like this, and just, like, go forward and relax your back, and it'll pop your back that way, too.

   14. MVMike Vecchione0:36

       Huh. I don't know how to pop a upper back.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Hmm.

   16. MVMike Vecchione0:38

       That's where you have-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Oh, when you get someone to grab you?

   18. MVMike Vecchione0:39

       Yeah, the person's grab you, and then-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah, that's kinda-

   20. MVMike Vecchione0:41

       ... hold you, and then, and then you can hear it crack. I don't know how, you know, I don't know how good it is.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       It's kinda nonsense. It's kinda nonsense.

   22. MVMike Vecchione0:46

       Right. But, uh, the lower back is, uh, when I played football, I played contact football, and we used to go to, uh, physicals. You had to get a physical, and it was just a gigantic room, and you'd go from doctor to doctor so everybody could do it at one time. And I remember I laid down, and the doctor grabbed my leg and he was trying to get range of motion, and he got it, like, three-quarters of the way up and it stopped. And he said to me, "You're gonna have lower back pain when you're older." And that's exactly what happened. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       (laughs) You can avoid it.

   24. MVMike Vecchione1:15

       He predicted it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       There, there's, there's a lot of ways to avoid it. You know, people just accept it, but, uh, what, what you're telling me right there, uh, b- with not being able to get your leg up, that's a hamstring issue. So one thing, hamstrings and quads, uh, and, uh, and glutes-

   26. MVMike Vecchione1:32

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       ... all the tightness in those areas will absolutely affect your back. Because anytime you have restricted range of motion and you're really tight-

   28. MVMike Vecchione1:41

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       ... everything else is tight, too.

   30. MVMike Vecchione1:42

       Yeah, yeah.
2. 1:58 – 4:03

   Avoiding surgery: spinal decompression, Regenokine, and skepticism about chiropractors

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      And don't do that, because there's other ways around that. If you're listening to this and you got a bulging disc in your back, there's ways around it, folks. There's decompression, there's stem cells, there's a thing that I did a long time ago in California called... Oh my god, what is it called? What is that shit called, though, that Peyton Manning did and- Regenakine? ... Regenakine, thank you.

   2. MVMike Vecchione2:18

      Hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      It escaped my mind. It's early. Um, Regenakine is where they, it's like platelet-rich plasma, but it's a more sophisticated version of it. They first started, pioneered it in Germany, used to have to go to Germany to get it.

   4. MVMike Vecchione2:28

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      But now you get it in America. But, uh...

   6. MVMike Vecchione2:31

      Stop over in Turkey for the hair, and then hit Germany for your lower back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:34

      You don't have to do it, it's America now.

   8. MVMike Vecchione2:35

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:35

      Is it, what is the name of the place? Life, Lifecycle Medicine in Santa Monica? What is the name of the place? Why am I not remembering? My brain has way too much extra information-

   10. MVMike Vecchione2:48

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       ... and my hard drive is so full. Lifespan. Lifespan. Lifespan Medicine in Santa Monica is where I had it done. It was amazing.

   12. MVMike Vecchione2:55

       Hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:55

       My, my, my neck was fucked up for, like, almost a year. And I was going to chiropractors who are-

   14. MVMike Vecchione3:00

       That's rough.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       ... all goofy.

   16. MVMike Vecchione3:01

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       They're all, it's all nonsense. And then, uh, I finally went to this guy, Dr. Ben Ruhi there, and he said, "You have a bulging disc in your neck. We got an MRI." He's like, "This is what we could do. Spinal decompression, and we'll use Regenakine. It's a very potent antiinflammatory."

   18. MVMike Vecchione3:17

       Hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       "It'll relax all the muscles around that area, and, you know, slowly it'll go back." And it went back. Now, it's 100%-

   20. MVMike Vecchione3:23

       But you had to go in for several treatments, though?

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       The Regenakine? No. Uh, I think it was one treatment.

   22. MVMike Vecchione3:28

       Ah, wow, that's great.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       One treatment did it. I did go back again to get another treatment, but that's just 'cause I do jujitsu.

   24. MVMike Vecchione3:34

       Hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       And jujitsu's, you're just always getting your neck-

   26. MVMike Vecchione3:36

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       ... ranked on. I, I went back to get, like, um, mid-back, and I think I did one more on my neck, too, but it was m- I might not have, but it was more like, uh, maintenance-

   28. MVMike Vecchione3:46

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       ... than anything. The, the big issue had been resolved. And then I started strengthening, 'cause I never really did anything to strengthen my lower back, my neck, any of those things, while I was training in jujitsu in the beginning. I, I just worked out, normal stuff. I lifted weights, I-

   30. MVMike Vecchione4:02

       Right.
3. 4:03 – 5:31

   Strength training with a bad back: deadlifts vs. targeted work and belt squats

   1. MVMike Vecchione4:03

      But doesn't deadlifting and, uh, I don't know if you did these things, but deadlifting and squatting, with a, I, I squat lightweight without a belt, but doesn't that automatically strengthen your lower back? I thought it automatically kinda did.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:15

      Well, I mean, it does a little bit.

   3. MVMike Vecchione4:16

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:16

      But it depends on what-

   5. MVMike Vecchione4:17

      But not the focused exercises that we were just doing.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      Right.

   7. MVMike Vecchione4:20

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:20

      Those are just lower back.

   9. MVMike Vecchione4:21

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       Squats are really for your legs.

   11. MVMike Vecchione4:23

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       But it does, your lower back, but also it gets compressed, 'cause you're carrying weight on your shoulders.

   13. MVMike Vecchione4:27

       (laughs) Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       But, uh, I do belt squats, which I really like. So what belt squats are, it's a different machine, there's another out there, too-

   15. MVMike Vecchione4:34

       Hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       ... that was, uh, created by Louie Simmons from, uh, Westside Barbell. And it's a strap that goes around you and it goes to a cable that goes in between your legs, and the weight is pulling down from your hips.

   17. MVMike Vecchione4:44

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       So it's not on your shoulders compressing your spine, which is great if you have-

   19. MVMike Vecchione4:48

       Wow.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       ... a back issue.

   21. MVMike Vecchione4:49

       Yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       So you can squat a lot of weight, but all of it is, like, resting on your hips.

   23. MVMike Vecchione4:54

       Wow. That's awesome.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       Yeah.

   25. MVMike Vecchione4:55

       I can definitely feel the difference in my strength when I squat and when I don't. Like, I'm a guy who needs to lift weights. I was, I wrestled with guys and played football with guys who, like, were naturally just shredded and did not need, it was annoying to them to lift weights. Not that it didn't benefit them, but they were just very muscle-bound and they kinda didn't need it. I need to lift weights.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Well, everybody needs it-

   27. MVMike Vecchione5:14

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       ... if you're competing against elite guys. That's the thing.

   29. MVMike Vecchione5:17

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, but, I mean, it, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       So if you get to a certain level-
4. 5:31 – 6:38

   Testosterone, cold plunges, and how timing affects hypertrophy

   1. MVMike Vecchione5:31

      Yeah. But I tell everybody, like, my age...... I'm 52, it's like, do a circuit, do a 40-minute weight circuit, do three sets of 10. Just go, just, you gotta do it. It, it, 'cause I think it affects your-

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:43

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MVMike Vecchione5:43

      I'm not an expert on this or anything, but, like, I think it affects your testosterone. I can feel-

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:47

      Oh, it definitely does.

   5. MVMike Vecchione5:48

      I can feel it. You know what I mean?

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:49

      Yeah, definitely. W- lifting weights definitely affects your testosterone.

   7. MVMike Vecchione5:52

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:52

      Here's another way to boost your testosterone. Cold plunge before you lift weights. That's a big one. Or if you don't have that, cold shower-

   9. MVMike Vecchione5:59

      Cold shower.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       ... in the winter.

   11. MVMike Vecchione6:00

       Yeah, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       It's great. It's great. You do that before you lift weights. Before any kinda training, actually. You know, 'cause there's been some negative press lately on cold plunges-

   13. MVMike Vecchione6:09

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       ... and hypertrophy. But it's all about doing it right after lifting weights. Which is, you're never supposed to do that anyway. You're not supposed to... L- the whole idea about lifting weights is you're breaking your tissue down, the inflammation helps you-

   15. MVMike Vecchione6:22

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       ... 'cause your body heals and then it gets stronger. And you don't wanna, like, kill the inflammation-

   17. MVMike Vecchione6:27

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       ... right after you workout.

   19. MVMike Vecchione6:28

       And the cold is killing the inflammation, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       Exactly, exactly. So what-

   21. MVMike Vecchione6:31

       So I do that. I do that. I, I, I, we just moved into a new building, gym in the building.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       Oh, nice.

   23. MVMike Vecchione6:36

       And that's great. Yeah, we just-

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       Nice.

5. 6:38 – 7:59

   New York real estate and NYC politics: “time bomb” city talk

   1. MVMike Vecchione6:38

      We just bought, uh, a condo in New York, right in time for socialism.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:41

      Nice. Right in time for the fucking communist takeover.

   3. MVMike Vecchione6:44

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:44

      Good job.

   5. MVMike Vecchione6:44

      Right? In time for all of us to have to share.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      Yeah, you're gonna have to share. You're gonna have to have immigrants move into your apartment.

   7. MVMike Vecchione6:50

      I mean, I just did, I just, 20 years living with roommates, and I just finally g- got married and bought a place.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:57

      This is the first time you've had your own place?

   9. MVMike Vecchione6:59

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       Whoa.

   11. MVMike Vecchione7:00

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       Oh my God.

   13. MVMike Vecchione7:01

       Well, no, no, no. Not the first time I had my own place. We were renting, we rented for four years.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:05

       Oh. Okay.

   15. MVMike Vecchione7:05

       But this is the first time I've bought something.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       Oh, okay.

   17. MVMike Vecchione7:08

       So I bought property in New York.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       S- I don't know if that's a good idea or not, buying things. I go back and forth on that.

   19. MVMike Vecchione7:12

       Really?

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       Yeah. I mean, it's like-

   21. MVMike Vecchione7:14

       I just was told diversify.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       ... you're responsible for all the problems. And-

   23. MVMike Vecchione7:17

       Yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       You know?

   25. MVMike Vecchione7:18

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       Depends on where you are. New York City, to me, seems like a fucking time bomb. It's, like, there's a whole bunch of crazy people with a bunch of wacky ideas.

   27. MVMike Vecchione7:26

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       And they're getting voted in.

   29. MVMike Vecchione7:27

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       And you're like, "Good luck with all that." And your options are them or the guy from fucking Guardian Angels.
6. 7:59 – 12:24

   Guardian Angels, publicity stunts, and the Jussie Smollett parallel

   1. MVMike Vecchione7:59

      Yeah. I love the Guardian Angel 'cause they don't have weapons, right? Isn't that their whole thing?

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:02

      No.

   3. MVMike Vecchione8:02

      I, I, I came after that whole, uh, initiative.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:05

      Yes. Yes.

   5. MVMike Vecchione8:05

      But I do like the idea.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:07

      Yes.

   7. MVMike Vecchione8:07

      I do like the idea of someone out there to protect the public other than cops.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      Yeah, there he is. He's been doing this forever. I remember, uh, in, I guess it was the '90s, I was in New York City, and, uh, I was in traffic with my girlfriend at the time. She was sitting next to me and we were looking at this Guardian Angel guy go, "Why did he have to wear the hat? Like, what is with the hat? Like, why do they make them wear that fucking hat?" And w- her and I are just laughing, and the guy looks at me and goes, "Fuck you."

   9. MVMike Vecchione8:32

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       Like, with a real angry face.

   11. MVMike Vecchione8:33

       Right, right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       I'm like, "Hey, that's not serving and protecting, sir."

   13. MVMike Vecchione8:36

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       "If you don't think that hat is funny, the fuck you? Like, what if I say, 'No, fuck you,' and I get out and I wanna fight?"

   15. MVMike Vecchione8:41

       Yes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       Come on. This is so stupid. You're not, you're not helping. This is not good.

   17. MVMike Vecchione8:46

       I would hate to lose to a guy with that hat.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       Yeah.

   19. MVMike Vecchione8:48

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       Probably you're not going to. (laughs) I would imagine anybody that really knows how to fight is not gonna put that fucking hat on. You're gonna be like, "What am I doing with this organization?"

   21. MVMike Vecchione8:56

       But those guys, like, uh, I think that what they did is if there was a, a disturbance or something or somebody's acting nuts on the subway, they would just surround him, surround the person.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       Well, that's good.

   23. MVMike Vecchione9:07

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       As long as the guy doesn't have a gun.

   25. MVMike Vecchione9:09

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:09

       Or, or a fucking samurai sword or whatever.

   27. MVMike Vecchione9:11

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       Um, wasn't Sliwa-

   29. MVMike Vecchione9:12

       Or a tiger in his apartment.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:15

       Yeah, there was a bunch of those guys.
7. 12:24 – 14:34

   Cigars and Sandler: why “fun” comedy works and critics miss the point

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:24

      Yeah. What do you got there, little tiny cigars?

   2. MVMike Vecchione12:25

      Yeah, little tiny ones because-

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:26

      You got a big one too.

   4. MVMike Vecchione12:28

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:28

      You're- you're mixing it up.

   6. MVMike Vecchione12:29

      I'm mixing it up.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:30

      What are you doing? You're not sure what you want?

   8. MVMike Vecchione12:32

      Um, no, this is before I go on. Usually, I just don't wanna- I don't wanna take the t- the commitment to this.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:37

      Oh, I feel you.

   10. MVMike Vecchione12:37

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       Get me one of them little ones. I like those little ones.

   12. MVMike Vecchione12:39

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:39

       Ron White has those. Thank you.

   14. MVMike Vecchione12:40

       They're great. They're fantastic.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:41

       Yeah.

   16. MVMike Vecchione12:41

       Montecristos.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:42

       They're good because, like, if you don't wanna commit to a full cigar-

   18. MVMike Vecchione12:45

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       ... like right, we'll go on stage and... But Ron White inhales these bitches.

   20. MVMike Vecchione12:48

       Does he really?

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:50

       Like an animal.

   22. MVMike Vecchione12:53

       And you're gonna tell me he- it cures his lower back?

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       Nope.

   24. NANarrator12:56

       (laughs)

   25. MVMike Vecchione12:57

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       Well, he plays golf, so he must have a good lower back. You know? By the way.

   27. MVMike Vecchione13:02

       Yeah, that swing.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:02

       Speaking of which, I watched Happy Gilmore Too last night, it's fucking hilarious.

   29. MVMike Vecchione13:05

       I like it too. I just watched it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       I love Adam Sandler. I love those movies. 'Cause you know exactly what you're gonna get, they're always fun. Like, critics hate him, but that just- it's more information that you get that critics suck.
8. 14:34 – 17:08

   Craft talk: tension kills comedy, and the “scaffolding” of a joke

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:34

      The enemy of comedy is tension, always. Like the- the tension you have between, like, coworkers, like-

   2. MVMike Vecchione14:40

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:40

      This is like... You know, Phil Hartman told me that Saturday Night Live was like the most stressful thing that he ever did in his life because there was so much tension, because they would- everybody behind the scene was backstabbing everybody.

   4. MVMike Vecchione14:51

      That's nuts.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:52

      And Brewer says the same thing.

   6. MVMike Vecchione14:53

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:54

      You ever heard Brewer talk about that?

   8. MVMike Vecchione14:54

      Brewer's a good dude, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:55

      He's the best.

   10. MVMike Vecchione14:56

       He's really a good guy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       Yeah.

   12. MVMike Vecchione14:58

       I was on the road with him a little bit. He's a really good guy. And- and very, like, the quintessential theater act. Like, you see- you see him in a theater, I go watch him after I was done with my set, and it's like he fills the space.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       Yes.

   14. MVMike Vecchione15:11

       You know what I mean?

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       Yeah, he's big.

   16. MVMike Vecchione15:12

       He's a great theater act.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       Right, he's a big act.

   18. MVMike Vecchione15:14

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:14

       Right, like the big stage is actually great for his act.

   20. MVMike Vecchione15:17

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       But he murders in clubs, he'll murder in an arena.

   22. MVMike Vecchione15:20

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       He's- he's a old school. He's a great person too. Like what I- what I love about him is, like, he had no desire to be like super famous, no desire. All he wanted to do was kill.

   24. MVMike Vecchione15:30

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       All he wanted to do was be great at comedy-

   26. MVMike Vecchione15:32

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       ... and just live in his own world.

   28. MVMike Vecchione15:34

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       He lived in Jersey in a nice suburban community, just chilled.

   30. MVMike Vecchione15:38

       Yeah.
9. 17:08 – 23:29

   Richard Jeni deep dive: brilliance, misery, and the cost of ambition

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:08

      You know who was the best at that? Richard Jeni.

   2. MVMike Vecchione17:11

      I was just thinking about him this morning.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:12

      Dude.

   4. MVMike Vecchione17:13

      I was just thinking about him in terms of a comic that I don't know if you knew him or not, but like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:17

      I did.

   6. MVMike Vecchione17:17

      ... I watched him as a kid, and he blew me away with how good he was.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:22

      Oh, he was so good.

   8. MVMike Vecchione17:22

      He was so good. And then I talked to Attell in New York, he's like, "He was the guy."

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:25

      He was the guy.

   10. MVMike Vecchione17:25

       He was really the guy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       In the 1980s, he was the guy. I've- I'm- I apologize if you've heard me tell the story before people. But, uh, he worked at East Side Comedy Club and, uh, he was there for the weekend, and I went there on Sunday, and, uh, this dude Pete, who was the, uh, emcee, was depressed. I go, "Why are you depressed?" He goes, 'Cause Richard Jeni did a totally different hour, both shows Friday and both shows Saturday, never repeated a joke, and fucking murdered it." And he goes, "Now I want to quit comedy."

   12. MVMike Vecchione17:51

       (laughs) ... that's insane.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       (laughs)

   14. MVMike Vecchione17:53

       That's insane. Yeah, people like that'll frustrate you-

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:56

       Yeah. He was-

   16. MVMike Vecchione17:56

       ... you know, as a comic. But watching him as a kid, I was like, "This is the f-" 'Cause we're Italians.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:00

       Yup.

   18. MVMike Vecchione18:00

       So we're watching it as... But he's funny no matter what.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       Yeah.

   20. MVMike Vecchione18:03

       But just especially from being an Italian family and watching him.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:06

       Oh, yeah.

   22. MVMike Vecchione18:06

       I'm like, "This is the funniest thing." We were dy- we'd quote him.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       He was so good.

   24. MVMike Vecchione18:10

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       He was so good. And you had to see him live. It's one of those things. Like, you see, he's got some great specials. Uh, A Steaming Pile of Me-

   26. MVMike Vecchione18:17

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:17

       ... is great. Um-

   28. MVMike Vecchione18:19

       Platypus Man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:20

       That's great, I remember-

   30. MVMike Vecchione18:21

       His first one was The Boy From New York City.
10. 23:29 – 29:35

    Health-and-work routines: sauna science, boxing training, and embracing discomfort

    1. MVMike Vecchione23:29

       It's like, get up, do whatever you do, stretch. And then, uh, that's what I do now, is, like, stretch and then, uh, delay coffee. That's another big thing I'm trying, is to delay coffee. Get... 'Cause the gym is in the building, get a workout first right out of bed. And then, uh, and then come back up, cold shower, and then get a cup of coffee, and then write.

    2. JRJoe Rogan23:50

       Do that cold shower first, dude. Do that cold shower right away-

    3. MVMike Vecchione23:54

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan23:54

       ... and then you won't even need the coffee. You'll be like, "Yeah." (inhales) ... oooh to get out of there.

    5. MVMike Vecchione23:59

       And then right into a workout?

    6. JRJoe Rogan24:00

       And then go right into a workout.

    7. MVMike Vecchione24:01

       And then a hot shower after?

    8. JRJoe Rogan24:03

       Sure. Yeah. I do sauna-

    9. MVMike Vecchione24:04

       Workout?

    10. JRJoe Rogan24:04

        ... sauna after the workout. That's what I usually do.

    11. MVMike Vecchione24:06

        That's great.

    12. JRJoe Rogan24:07

        Yeah. That's the move.

    13. MVMike Vecchione24:08

        I used to do steam room when I was at the gym.

    14. JRJoe Rogan24:10

        Steam room's okay-

    15. MVMike Vecchione24:10

        Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan24:10

        ... but the problem with steam room is you really can't get it as hot because dry air won't, like, scald your skin like wet air. Wet air will poach you.

    17. MVMike Vecchione24:19

        Hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan24:19

        If you do 195 degrees wet, you're gonna get burned. Like it's gonna-

    19. MVMike Vecchione24:23

        Right.

    20. JRJoe Rogan24:23

        ... literally poach you like an egg.

    21. MVMike Vecchione24:25

        Hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan24:25

        But you can do 195 dry in a sauna and that's why I don't know much about the infrared saunas. I don't think there's the- the same amount of data on them. It's definitely better than doing nothing, but I think that the real sauna, like we have a Salus sauna in the back here. That motherfucker will go up to 210, 215 if you want it to.

    23. MVMike Vecchione24:43

        Wow.

    24. JRJoe Rogan24:44

        And, but that dry sauna is where all the research from Finland comes out. They, they did, over 20 years they found that if you do the sauna four times a week for 20 minutes at 175 degrees, it's a 40% decrease in all cause mortality. Everything.

    25. MVMike Vecchione25:00

        Didn't they do that... Was this study in Italy?

    26. JRJoe Rogan25:02

        No this was-

    27. MVMike Vecchione25:02

        They did a study of Italians who were doing sauna and, and it, it was something similar to that.

    28. JRJoe Rogan25:06

        It's all similar because it's all great for reduction of inflammation, increase of red blood cells. It has like a mild EPO effect on your endurance.

    29. MVMike Vecchione25:14

        Hmm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan25:15

        Like one of the things that I've done, like every time I've been injured where I couldn't do cardio, I just did sauna every day and then I'd go back to cardio and it was not that much of a drop off. Not like it used to be.
11. 29:35 – 37:22

    Elite fighting and grappling: Usyk’s camp, wrestling technique, and street-fight realities

    1. JRJoe Rogan29:35

       I think that's with fucking everything in the world. Everything. I was watching this video today on Usyk's training, on Oleksandr Usyk, who's just... Did you see that fight?

    2. MVMike Vecchione29:44

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan29:44

       This past... Jesus Christ, dude.

    4. MVMike Vecchione29:45

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan29:46

       I mean, he's one of the best of all time. One of the absolute best heavyweights that's ever lived.

    6. MVMike Vecchione29:50

       The thing that was remarkable about... And I agree. The thing that's remarkable about that fight is Dubois came out the first round and was aggressive. And I'm like-

    7. JRJoe Rogan29:59

       Oh, yeah.

    8. MVMike Vecchione29:59

       ... "Oh, right. Dubois is-"

    9. JRJoe Rogan30:00

       Fucking dangerous, dude.

    10. MVMike Vecchione30:01

        "... is coming, dude."

    11. JRJoe Rogan30:02

        Mm-hmm.

    12. MVMike Vecchione30:02

        And he, like, "This is an opportunity and I'm not, I'm not gonna lose it." I'm like... And, uh...Usyk felt that. They said between rounds, he felt it and he's like, "Okay. Okay, I can't let this guy get confidence."

    13. JRJoe Rogan30:13

        Yeah.

    14. MVMike Vecchione30:13

        So, he stepped in the center of the ring and just started countering him and not giving up any more ground.

    15. JRJoe Rogan30:18

        Yeah, and, and cutting these angles. These ... Like, he just downloads what you're doing and starts adding in feints and ... You know, Joshua said that when he trained, when he fought him rather, that at the last round, he'd never been more tired in his life. He just couldn't believe how tired-

    16. MVMike Vecchione30:33

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan30:33

        ... Usyk makes you 'cause he's constantly feinting-

    18. MVMike Vecchione30:35

        Feinting and moving.

    19. JRJoe Rogan30:36

        ... and moving. So, I watched his, uh, his training routine today. Jesus Christ, man. Like, no wonder he's in insane shape.

    20. MVMike Vecchione30:43

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan30:43

        He would swim sometimes for five hours a day, five hours of just laps in the pool. He would do ... He starts his day at 4:30 in the morning. So, 4:30 in the morning, he gets up, eats breakfast, and has his first training at 5:00. At 5:00, it's all conditioning. It's all, like, running, rowing, biking, takes a break, eats again, takes a little nap, back in the gym again in, like, two hours. And then he's sparring, boxing, doing all that workout. Then eats, takes a break, relaxes a little bit. Evening session is boxing. In evening session, he's sparring, he's ... You know, he's hitting mitts, he's hitting the bag. Gets up in the morning and does it all over again. And it was like ... It's all, like, this ... That's that Reverse Hypers-

    22. MVMike Vecchione31:30

        Yeah. (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan31:30

        ... that I was just showing you.

    24. MVMike Vecchione31:31

        That's crazy. (laughs) That's crazy.

    25. JRJoe Rogan31:32

        That's the machine that-

    26. MVMike Vecchione31:33

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan31:33

        ... Louis Simmons created that is fucking phenomenal for your lower back. It decompresses your back actively on the downswing and strengthens it on the upswing. And Louis, who is a genius, who is one of the only guys we ever traveled to do a podcast with.

    28. MVMike Vecchione31:47

        Oh, really?

    29. JRJoe Rogan31:48

        Yeah. It's like, "I g- I gotta get this guy on film." He's, he's a, like a, a legitimate strength genius. And, uh, he developed that machine because he had a bulging disc. And they were like, "Oh, you gotta get your disc fused," 'cause he was a power lifter.

    30. MVMike Vecchione32:01

        Right.
12. 37:22 – 1:13:56

    Boxing business and matchmaking: Jake Paul, titles, and the Saudi restructuring debate

    1. JRJoe Rogan37:22

       ... I think that would be the fight that they would have underneath it, would be a, that would be amazing, Tyson and Joshua. But they're talking right now about doing Anthony Joshua-Jake Paul.

    2. MVMike Vecchione37:31

       I know. I saw that.

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:32

       Jake Paul apparently wants that fight. And he, he agreed to, I think it was 99% to one, where Joshua gets 99% of the money and he gets 1%. See if that's true.

    4. MVMike Vecchione37:46

       Uh.

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:46

       That's what I, I believe I read that online. That might be just some shenanigans. But, look, regardless of what you think about Jake Paul, like s-

    6. MVMike Vecchione37:54

       I think Jake Paul's a great athlete.

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:56

       Oh, for sure.

    8. MVMike Vecchione37:56

       He's a great athlete. Uh, I don't know if him or Logan placed in states in Ohio in wrestling. Like, you're not... But that may seem like nothing to people-

    9. JRJoe Rogan38:03

       Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

    10. MVMike Vecchione38:03

        ... on a national level, but if you're placing in states in Ohio-

    11. JRJoe Rogan38:06

        They're both great athletes.

    12. MVMike Vecchione38:06

        ... you're a great athlete. Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan38:07

        Both of them are great athletes.

    14. MVMike Vecchione38:08

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan38:08

        People think they're s- jokes because they were famous when they were kids.

    16. MVMike Vecchione38:12

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:12

        And they were... That doesn't mean anything.

    18. MVMike Vecchione38:14

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:14

        Like Mario Lopez, people look at Mario Lopez like, "Mario Lopez is like Saved by the Bell guy." No, Mario Lopez can box.

    20. MVMike Vecchione38:20

        Can fight.

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:21

        He does Brazilian jujitsu.

    22. MVMike Vecchione38:22

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:22

        He's a very good wrestler. I don't know if you've ever seen-

    24. MVMike Vecchione38:24

        I heard of that.

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:25

        ... that guy that does, uh, "I'll give you $1,000 if you can take me down." Have you ever seen that guy?

    26. MVMike Vecchione38:29

        I love that guy.

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:29

        I love that guy.

    28. MVMike Vecchione38:30

        That guy's from my high school in Ohio.

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:31

        What is his name?

    30. MVMike Vecchione38:33

        I don't know.

Episode duration: 2:52:02