Joe Rogan Experience #2356 - Mike Vecchione

Narrator 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Feeling better now?

Mike Vecchione 0:13 It's awesome.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Does it, does it feel a little bit better?

Mike Vecchione 0:14 It does feel better, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:15 A little bit?

Mike Vecchione 0:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:16 You, it's just a consistent thing, you have to do it every day.

Mike Vecchione 0:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:18 We're talking about decompressing the back, ladies and gentlemen.

Mike Vecchione 0:21 Lower back pain.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Another thing you can do without a machine is just, um, bend your knees, just bend slightly, grab your arms like this, and just, like, go forward and relax your back, and it'll pop your back that way, too.

Mike Vecchione 0:36 Huh. I don't know how to pop a upper back.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Hmm.

Mike Vecchione 0:38 That's where you have-

Joe Rogan 0:38 Oh, when you get someone to grab you?

Mike Vecchione 0:39 Yeah, the person's grab you, and then-

Joe Rogan 0:41 Yeah, that's kinda-

Mike Vecchione 0:41 ... hold you, and then, and then you can hear it crack. I don't know how, you know, I don't know how good it is.

Joe Rogan 0:45 It's kinda nonsense. It's kinda nonsense.

Mike Vecchione 0:46 Right. But, uh, the lower back is, uh, when I played football, I played contact football, and we used to go to, uh, physicals. You had to get a physical, and it was just a gigantic room, and you'd go from doctor to doctor so everybody could do it at one time. And I remember I laid down, and the doctor grabbed my leg and he was trying to get range of motion, and he got it, like, three-quarters of the way up and it stopped. And he said to me, "You're gonna have lower back pain when you're older." And that's exactly what happened. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15 (laughs) You can avoid it.

Mike Vecchione 1:15 He predicted it.

Joe Rogan 1:16 There, there's, there's a lot of ways to avoid it. You know, people just accept it, but, uh, what, what you're telling me right there, uh, b- with not being able to get your leg up, that's a hamstring issue. So one thing, hamstrings and quads, uh, and, uh, and glutes-

Mike Vecchione 1:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:33 ... all the tightness in those areas will absolutely affect your back. Because anytime you have restricted range of motion and you're really tight-

Mike Vecchione 1:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:41 ... everything else is tight, too.

Mike Vecchione 1:42 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42 And so everything, like, kinda pulled down, and you have to figure out a way to lengthen that shit out.

Mike Vecchione 1:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:47 And, um, there's a lot of different stretches you could do, but you definitely should be doing them. Nobody likes to stretch, it sucks, everybody hates it.

Mike Vecchione 1:54 It sucks.

Joe Rogan 1:55 But if you don't do it, you're gonna go to a doctor and they're gonna wanna cut you open.

Mike Vecchione 1:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:58 And don't do that, because there's other ways around that. If you're listening to this and you got a bulging disc in your back, there's ways around it, folks. There's decompression, there's stem cells, there's a thing that I did a long time ago in California called... Oh my god, what is it called? What is that shit called, though, that Peyton Manning did and- Regenakine? ... Regenakine, thank you.

Mike Vecchione 2:18 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:18 It escaped my mind. It's early. Um, Regenakine is where they, it's like platelet-rich plasma, but it's a more sophisticated version of it. They first started, pioneered it in Germany, used to have to go to Germany to get it.

Mike Vecchione 2:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:28 But now you get it in America. But, uh...

Mike Vecchione 2:31 Stop over in Turkey for the hair, and then hit Germany for your lower back.

Joe Rogan 2:34 You don't have to do it, it's America now.

Mike Vecchione 2:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:35 Is it, what is the name of the place? Life, Lifecycle Medicine in Santa Monica? What is the name of the place? Why am I not remembering? My brain has way too much extra information-

Mike Vecchione 2:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:48 ... and my hard drive is so full. Lifespan. Lifespan. Lifespan Medicine in Santa Monica is where I had it done. It was amazing.

Mike Vecchione 2:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:55 My, my, my neck was fucked up for, like, almost a year. And I was going to chiropractors who are-

Mike Vecchione 3:00 That's rough.

Joe Rogan 3:00 ... all goofy.

Mike Vecchione 3:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:01 They're all, it's all nonsense. And then, uh, I finally went to this guy, Dr. Ben Ruhi there, and he said, "You have a bulging disc in your neck. We got an MRI." He's like, "This is what we could do. Spinal decompression, and we'll use Regenakine. It's a very potent antiinflammatory."

Mike Vecchione 3:17 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:17 "It'll relax all the muscles around that area, and, you know, slowly it'll go back." And it went back. Now, it's 100%-

Mike Vecchione 3:23 But you had to go in for several treatments, though?

Joe Rogan 3:26 The Regenakine? No. Uh, I think it was one treatment.

Mike Vecchione 3:28 Ah, wow, that's great.

Joe Rogan 3:28 One treatment did it. I did go back again to get another treatment, but that's just 'cause I do jujitsu.

Mike Vecchione 3:34 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:34 And jujitsu's, you're just always getting your neck-

Mike Vecchione 3:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:36 ... ranked on. I, I went back to get, like, um, mid-back, and I think I did one more on my neck, too, but it was m- I might not have, but it was more like, uh, maintenance-

Mike Vecchione 3:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:47 ... than anything. The, the big issue had been resolved. And then I started strengthening, 'cause I never really did anything to strengthen my lower back, my neck, any of those things, while I was training in jujitsu in the beginning. I, I just worked out, normal stuff. I lifted weights, I-

Mike Vecchione 4:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:03 I-

Mike Vecchione 4:03 But doesn't deadlifting and, uh, I don't know if you did these things, but deadlifting and squatting, with a, I, I squat lightweight without a belt, but doesn't that automatically strengthen your lower back? I thought it automatically kinda did.

Joe Rogan 4:15 Well, I mean, it does a little bit.

Mike Vecchione 4:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:16 But it depends on what-

Mike Vecchione 4:17 But not the focused exercises that we were just doing.

Joe Rogan 4:19 Right.

Mike Vecchione 4:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:20 Those are just lower back.

Mike Vecchione 4:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Squats are really for your legs.

Mike Vecchione 4:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:23 But it does, your lower back, but also it gets compressed, 'cause you're carrying weight on your shoulders.

Mike Vecchione 4:27 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:27 But, uh, I do belt squats, which I really like. So what belt squats are, it's a different machine, there's another out there, too-

Mike Vecchione 4:34 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:34 ... that was, uh, created by Louie Simmons from, uh, Westside Barbell. And it's a strap that goes around you and it goes to a cable that goes in between your legs, and the weight is pulling down from your hips.

Mike Vecchione 4:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:44 So it's not on your shoulders compressing your spine, which is great if you have-

Mike Vecchione 4:48 Wow.

Joe Rogan 4:48 ... a back issue.

Mike Vecchione 4:49 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:49 So you can squat a lot of weight, but all of it is, like, resting on your hips.

Mike Vecchione 4:54 Wow. That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 4:55 I can definitely feel the difference in my strength when I squat and when I don't. Like, I'm a guy who needs to lift weights. I was, I wrestled with guys and played football with guys who, like, were naturally just shredded and did not need, it was annoying to them to lift weights. Not that it didn't benefit them, but they were just very muscle-bound and they kinda didn't need it. I need to lift weights.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Well, everybody needs it-

Mike Vecchione 5:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:14 ... if you're competing against elite guys. That's the thing.

Mike Vecchione 5:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, but, I mean, it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:19 So if you get to a certain level-

Mike Vecchione 5:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:20 ... they're doing it and, you know, if the, you have great genetics and they have great genetics-

Mike Vecchione 5:24 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:24 ... and they're doing strength and conditioning and you're not-

Mike Vecchione 5:26 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 5:27 ... you're, they're gonna win.

Mike Vecchione 5:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:28 Or at least they're gonna have at l- at least some kind of an advantage.

Mike Vecchione 5:31 Yeah. But I tell everybody, like, my age...... I'm 52, it's like, do a circuit, do a 40-minute weight circuit, do three sets of 10. Just go, just, you gotta do it. It, it, 'cause I think it affects your-

Joe Rogan 5:43 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 5:43 I'm not an expert on this or anything, but, like, I think it affects your testosterone. I can feel-

Joe Rogan 5:47 Oh, it definitely does.

Mike Vecchione 5:48 I can feel it. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 5:49 Yeah, definitely. W- lifting weights definitely affects your testosterone.

Mike Vecchione 5:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Here's another way to boost your testosterone. Cold plunge before you lift weights. That's a big one. Or if you don't have that, cold shower-

Mike Vecchione 5:59 Cold shower.

Joe Rogan 5:59 ... in the winter.

Mike Vecchione 6:00 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:00 It's great. It's great. You do that before you lift weights. Before any kinda training, actually. You know, 'cause there's been some negative press lately on cold plunges-

Mike Vecchione 6:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:10 ... and hypertrophy. But it's all about doing it right after lifting weights. Which is, you're never supposed to do that anyway. You're not supposed to... L- the whole idea about lifting weights is you're breaking your tissue down, the inflammation helps you-

Mike Vecchione 6:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:22 ... 'cause your body heals and then it gets stronger. And you don't wanna, like, kill the inflammation-

Mike Vecchione 6:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:28 ... right after you workout.

Mike Vecchione 6:28 And the cold is killing the inflammation, right?

Joe Rogan 6:30 Exactly, exactly. So what-

Mike Vecchione 6:31 So I do that. I do that. I, I, I, we just moved into a new building, gym in the building.

Joe Rogan 6:35 Oh, nice.

Mike Vecchione 6:36 And that's great. Yeah, we just-

Joe Rogan 6:37 Nice.

Mike Vecchione 6:38 We just bought, uh, a condo in New York, right in time for socialism.

Joe Rogan 6:41 Nice. Right in time for the fucking communist takeover.

Mike Vecchione 6:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:44 Good job.

Mike Vecchione 6:44 Right? In time for all of us to have to share.

Joe Rogan 6:46 Yeah, you're gonna have to share. You're gonna have to have immigrants move into your apartment.

Mike Vecchione 6:50 I mean, I just did, I just, 20 years living with roommates, and I just finally g- got married and bought a place.

Joe Rogan 6:57 This is the first time you've had your own place?

Mike Vecchione 6:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:00 Whoa.

Mike Vecchione 7:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:01 Oh my God.

Mike Vecchione 7:01 Well, no, no, no. Not the first time I had my own place. We were renting, we rented for four years.

Joe Rogan 7:05 Oh. Okay.

Mike Vecchione 7:05 But this is the first time I've bought something.

Joe Rogan 7:07 Oh, okay.

Mike Vecchione 7:08 So I bought property in New York.

Joe Rogan 7:09 S- I don't know if that's a good idea or not, buying things. I go back and forth on that.

Mike Vecchione 7:12 Really?

Joe Rogan 7:13 Yeah. I mean, it's like-

Mike Vecchione 7:14 I just was told diversify.

Joe Rogan 7:16 ... you're responsible for all the problems. And-

Mike Vecchione 7:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:18 You know?

Mike Vecchione 7:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Depends on where you are. New York City, to me, seems like a fucking time bomb. It's, like, there's a whole bunch of crazy people with a bunch of wacky ideas.

Mike Vecchione 7:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:26 And they're getting voted in.

Mike Vecchione 7:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:27 And you're like, "Good luck with all that." And your options are them or the guy from fucking Guardian Angels.

Mike Vecchione 7:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:36 (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 7:36 Curtis Sliwa.

Joe Rogan 7:36 The guy with the fucking beret.

Mike Vecchione 7:37 Curtis Sliwa. Ev- what if, what if he comes into office one day and he goes, "Everybody wears berets now."

Joe Rogan 7:42 Listen if, if he didn't-

Mike Vecchione 7:42 It's a beret city now.

Joe Rogan 7:43 If he didn't have the beret-

Mike Vecchione 7:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:45 ... the things he's saying make sense. Like, a lot of the stuff he says makes sense.

Mike Vecchione 7:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:49 If he didn't have the beret, I'd be like, "Maybe I'll take you a little more seriously."

Mike Vecchione 7:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:53 You know what I mean?

Mike Vecchione 7:53 What are you gonna do? Paint?

Joe Rogan 7:54 (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 7:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:57 "Where's your cigarette holder?"

Mike Vecchione 7:58 No, I love it.

Joe Rogan 7:59 (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 7:59 Yeah. I love the Guardian Angel 'cause they don't have weapons, right? Isn't that their whole thing?

Joe Rogan 8:02 No.

Mike Vecchione 8:02 I, I, I came after that whole, uh, initiative.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Yes. Yes.

Mike Vecchione 8:05 But I do like the idea.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Yes.

Mike Vecchione 8:07 I do like the idea of someone out there to protect the public other than cops.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Yeah, there he is. He's been doing this forever. I remember, uh, in, I guess it was the '90s, I was in New York City, and, uh, I was in traffic with my girlfriend at the time. She was sitting next to me and we were looking at this Guardian Angel guy go, "Why did he have to wear the hat? Like, what is with the hat? Like, why do they make them wear that fucking hat?" And w- her and I are just laughing, and the guy looks at me and goes, "Fuck you."

Mike Vecchione 8:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:32 Like, with a real angry face.

Mike Vecchione 8:33 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 8:33 I'm like, "Hey, that's not serving and protecting, sir."

Mike Vecchione 8:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:36 "If you don't think that hat is funny, the fuck you? Like, what if I say, 'No, fuck you,' and I get out and I wanna fight?"

Mike Vecchione 8:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Come on. This is so stupid. You're not, you're not helping. This is not good.

Mike Vecchione 8:46 I would hate to lose to a guy with that hat.

Joe Rogan 8:48 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 8:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:48 Probably you're not going to. (laughs) I would imagine anybody that really knows how to fight is not gonna put that fucking hat on. You're gonna be like, "What am I doing with this organization?"

Mike Vecchione 8:56 But those guys, like, uh, I think that what they did is if there was a, a disturbance or something or somebody's acting nuts on the subway, they would just surround him, surround the person.

Joe Rogan 9:06 Well, that's good.

Mike Vecchione 9:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:07 As long as the guy doesn't have a gun.

Mike Vecchione 9:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:09 Or, or a fucking samurai sword or whatever.

Mike Vecchione 9:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:12 Um, wasn't Sliwa-

Mike Vecchione 9:12 Or a tiger in his apartment.

Joe Rogan 9:15 Yeah, there was a bunch of those guys.

Mike Vecchione 9:15 Yeah, yeah. That was, that was a big thing for a while.

Joe Rogan 9:18 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 9:18 Guys having just wild wildlife in their apartments.

Joe Rogan 9:20 Yeah, just tigers and crocodiles and shit.

Mike Vecchione 9:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:22 Um, wasn't there a thing with Curtis Sliwa where, like, there was, like, a fake crime and he was, he was, like, saving someone but it wasn't, wasn't real? Didn't something like that happen, like, back in the day?

Mike Vecchione 9:34 I don't remember that one. I remember-

Joe Rogan 9:36 Jamie?

Mike Vecchione 9:36 Um, was it?

Joe Rogan 9:37 Jamie's gonna look it up.

Mike Vecchione 9:38 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 9:39 There was something like that where it was like-

Mike Vecchione 9:40 I remember, um-

Joe Rogan 9:41 Maybe it was an exaggeration or something.

Mike Vecchione 9:43 John Gotti Jr. was brought to trial for trying to kill him.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Oh, boy.

Mike Vecchione 9:46 Yeah, for saying stuff about his dad.

Joe Rogan 9:48 Oh, Jesus.

Mike Vecchione 9:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:50 Oh, boy.

Mike Vecchione 9:51 He got, I think it was just a hung jury five times and he never got convicted of it. But yeah, that was a, that was a thing. I remember that.

Joe Rogan 9:59 Phew.

Mike Vecchione 9:59 Yeah. He tried to shoot him in a cab.

Joe Rogan 10:01 Whoa.

Mike Vecchione 10:02 Yeah. Cabs are bad enough.

Joe Rogan 10:04 That was John Gotti Jr.. Interesting.

Mike Vecchione 10:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:06 You know, John Gotti III's an MMA fighter.

Mike Vecchione 10:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 He's fucking good too.

Mike Vecchione 10:09 He's good, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:10 He's good.

Mike Vecchione 10:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:11 Yeah, he's real good. He fought Floyd Mayweather.

Mike Vecchione 10:13 I saw that.

Joe Rogan 10:13 It was crazy.

Mike Vecchione 10:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:14 I think they fought twice. S- uh, admitted he and the Guardian Angels faked heroic subway rescues for publicity. Okay. So in 1992, Sliwa admitted he and the Guardian Angels faked heroic subway rescues for publicity.

Mike Vecchione 10:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:28 He also admitted to having false, claimed falsely that three off-duty transit police officers had kidnapped him. Sliwa explained at the time-

Mike Vecchione 10:37 That's gotta be some jail time, right?

Joe Rogan 10:39 Should be, right?

Mike Vecchione 10:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:40 I mean, if you're saying off-duty transit police officers, so you're accusing cr- police officers-

Mike Vecchione 10:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:45 ... of a crime, so what are you, what you're doing is not just lying but you're also putting the police officers in jeopardy.

Mike Vecchione 10:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:51 Jeopardy, because you're falsely claiming that these guys are outlaws. He claimed at the time, stunts were intended to underscore the dangers of the subways. Like who, like who doesn't know about the dangers of the subway?

Mike Vecchione 11:01 (laughs) Yeah, just let the natural stuff play out for what it is.

Joe Rogan 11:04 I've only literally ridden the subway three times in my fucking life, and I'm keeping that up, Jamie? And I'm very aware of the dangers of the fucking subways.

Mike Vecchione 11:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:11 When the Guardian Angels first came patrolling the streets and subways, New York City was experiencing some of the highest crime rates. "I feel the incidents we staged led to some improvements," he said. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

Mike Vecchione 11:23 Jussie Smollett.

Joe Rogan 11:25 Yeah, it's before Jesse.

Mike Vecchione 11:26 It's a, that's a Jessie Smollett movie.

Joe Rogan 11:27 BJ before Jesse.

Mike Vecchione 11:28 Cubs. Goddamn. That guy stuck to his story.

Joe Rogan 11:32 Still.

Mike Vecchione 11:32 Even the guys who beat up...... (laughs) a good person. Even when they flipped-

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 11:37 Even after they flipped, he stuck to his story. Is that an actor or is that an actor?

Joe Rogan 11:41 Bro, he showed up at the hotel-

Mike Vecchione 11:42 I kind of like that.

Joe Rogan 11:43 ... and had the noose still around his neck.

Mike Vecchione 11:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:47 That's what happens when you let actors write the scripts.

Mike Vecchione 11:49 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:50 You know what I mean?

Mike Vecchione 11:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:50 Like, Amber Heard when she was on trial with Depp, like, kind of similar.

Mike Vecchione 11:54 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Like, when you let the actors write the script, you're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa."

Mike Vecchione 11:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:58 "Hold up."

Mike Vecchione 11:59 What happened now?

Joe Rogan 12:00 Come on. What is this? Netflix sets Jussie Smollett documentary with new evidence. Alleged hate crime hope- hoax might be a true story. Oh.

Mike Vecchione 12:10 He never backtracked on it.

Joe Rogan 12:11 Why... This is real-

Narrator 12:12 It's new.

Joe Rogan 12:12 Who's funding this?

Narrator 12:13 This is new. I s- I was- I just Googled his name, and there's, like, last two days, there's stories about this doc- it could just be to promote the documentary, honestly.

Joe Rogan 12:18 Bro, whoever his PR team is. Yeah.

Narrator 12:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:20 Congratulations, you guys rule.

Mike Vecchione 12:22 It should be at least a documentary.

Joe Rogan 12:24 Yeah. What do you got there, little tiny cigars?

Mike Vecchione 12:25 Yeah, little tiny ones because-

Joe Rogan 12:26 You got a big one too.

Mike Vecchione 12:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:28 You're- you're mixing it up.

Mike Vecchione 12:29 I'm mixing it up.

Joe Rogan 12:30 What are you doing? You're not sure what you want?

Mike Vecchione 12:32 Um, no, this is before I go on. Usually, I just don't wanna- I don't wanna take the t- the commitment to this.

Joe Rogan 12:37 Oh, I feel you.

Mike Vecchione 12:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:37 Get me one of them little ones. I like those little ones.

Mike Vecchione 12:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:39 Ron White has those. Thank you.

Mike Vecchione 12:40 They're great. They're fantastic.

Joe Rogan 12:41 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 12:41 Montecristos.

Joe Rogan 12:42 They're good because, like, if you don't wanna commit to a full cigar-

Mike Vecchione 12:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:45 ... like right, we'll go on stage and... But Ron White inhales these bitches.

Mike Vecchione 12:48 Does he really?

Joe Rogan 12:50 Like an animal.

Mike Vecchione 12:53 And you're gonna tell me he- it cures his lower back?

Joe Rogan 12:55 Nope.

Narrator 12:56 (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 12:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:57 Well, he plays golf, so he must have a good lower back. You know? By the way.

Mike Vecchione 13:02 Yeah, that swing.

Joe Rogan 13:02 Speaking of which, I watched Happy Gilmore Too last night, it's fucking hilarious.

Mike Vecchione 13:05 I like it too. I just watched it.

Joe Rogan 13:07 I love Adam Sandler. I love those movies. 'Cause you know exactly what you're gonna get, they're always fun. Like, critics hate him, but that just- it's more information that you get that critics suck.

Mike Vecchione 13:18 I love him too.

Joe Rogan 13:19 They're great.

Mike Vecchione 13:19 I think he's great.

Joe Rogan 13:20 They're fucking fun.

Mike Vecchione 13:20 I think he great. He's great, and what I love about him is he doesn't care, and he just keeps moving with what he wants to do.

Joe Rogan 13:25 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 13:26 With his people.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Exactly.

Mike Vecchione 13:27 He has a group of people that he loves-

Joe Rogan 13:29 Yep.

Mike Vecchione 13:29 ... and that are creative-

Joe Rogan 13:30 Nope.

Mike Vecchione 13:30 ... and that he just keeps going with it.

Joe Rogan 13:31 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 13:32 And I think he's very funny anyway.

Joe Rogan 13:33 He's very funny. I saw his standup, uh, live in Vegas once. Him and Rob Schneider, they killed. It was really fun. I hadn't seen Adam in forever. I hadn't seen him since we did, uh, Zookeeper together, which was like, it had to be, like, 15 years ago. Somewhere a- around then. Um, so he's got the same people that he always works with, he's got the same directors he always works with, he's always working with Spade and Schneider-

Mike Vecchione 14:00 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 14:00 ... and all the guys he knows.

Mike Vecchione 14:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:01 So, it's like real fun on the set.

Mike Vecchione 14:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:03 Everybody's friendly.

Mike Vecchione 14:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:05 Same as Kevin James. He does-

Mike Vecchione 14:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:06 Kevin James rocks it the exact same way.

Mike Vecchione 14:08 I like that.

Joe Rogan 14:08 You go to his set, everybody's friendly, everybody's having fun. There's no weird fucking ego bullshit-

Mike Vecchione 14:15 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 14:15 ... with the actors. Everybody's pals.

Mike Vecchione 14:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:17 They're all pals.

Mike Vecchione 14:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:18 They all write for each other. So they're all sitting around like the, when they're, when we're doing table reads, everyone's laughing, cracking jokes-

Mike Vecchione 14:24 I like that.

Joe Rogan 14:24 They're adding lines.

Mike Vecchione 14:25 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:26 Good times.

Mike Vecchione 14:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Good times.

Mike Vecchione 14:28 And that's how you make the best stuff.

Joe Rogan 14:29 It's the best stuff.

Mike Vecchione 14:29 When it's loose-

Joe Rogan 14:30 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 14:30 ... and playful and fun, and everybody can be creative-

Joe Rogan 14:33 Exactly.

Mike Vecchione 14:33 ... and there's no weirdness there.

Joe Rogan 14:34 The enemy of comedy is tension, always. Like the- the tension you have between, like, coworkers, like-

Mike Vecchione 14:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:40 This is like... You know, Phil Hartman told me that Saturday Night Live was like the most stressful thing that he ever did in his life because there was so much tension, because they would- everybody behind the scene was backstabbing everybody.

Mike Vecchione 14:51 That's nuts.

Joe Rogan 14:52 And Brewer says the same thing.

Mike Vecchione 14:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:54 You ever heard Brewer talk about that?

Mike Vecchione 14:54 Brewer's a good dude, man.

Joe Rogan 14:55 He's the best.

Mike Vecchione 14:56 He's really a good guy.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 14:58 I was on the road with him a little bit. He's a really good guy. And- and very, like, the quintessential theater act. Like, you see- you see him in a theater, I go watch him after I was done with my set, and it's like he fills the space.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Yes.

Mike Vecchione 15:11 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 15:11 Yeah, he's big.

Mike Vecchione 15:12 He's a great theater act.

Joe Rogan 15:13 Right, he's a big act.

Mike Vecchione 15:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:14 Right, like the big stage is actually great for his act.

Mike Vecchione 15:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:17 But he murders in clubs, he'll murder in an arena.

Mike Vecchione 15:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:20 He's- he's a old school. He's a great person too. Like what I- what I love about him is, like, he had no desire to be like super famous, no desire. All he wanted to do was kill.

Mike Vecchione 15:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:30 All he wanted to do was be great at comedy-

Mike Vecchione 15:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:32 ... and just live in his own world.

Mike Vecchione 15:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:34 He lived in Jersey in a nice suburban community, just chilled.

Mike Vecchione 15:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:38 Didn't need fancy cars or any bullshit. He just- just loves being funny.

Mike Vecchione 15:43 I love that. I love the- the idea of just like w- waking up every day and it's like, "How can I be better?"

Joe Rogan 15:48 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 15:49 I love that.

Joe Rogan 15:49 That's a- You know who's the best at that?

Mike Vecchione 15:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Attell.

Mike Vecchione 15:51 Attell.

Joe Rogan 15:52 And maybe the best comic alive.

Mike Vecchione 15:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:53 And maybe one of the- I mean, for- in my book, top five, top six of all time.

Mike Vecchione 15:57 Yes, for sure.

Joe Rogan 15:59 And he's effortless.

Mike Vecchione 16:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:01 Effortless.

Mike Vecchione 16:01 But he's always working on his act.

Joe Rogan 16:03 Oh.

Mike Vecchione 16:03 Which is kind of torturous.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 16:05 It's a torturous thing if you're- i- if you're always tinker- you're always working on it, and it's like it's never done, it's always like you're in the mix, you're like, "Ah, I don't know." And it's like, "I get it." But you know.

Joe Rogan 16:16 But if that's what you love- if that's what you love to do, then it's great. It's like you have to teach yourself that that's what you love to do.

Mike Vecchione 16:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:22 Instead of like, "God, I can't wait till this hour's ready." Like right now, I- I really only have like 40 minutes. Maybe I could do 45. I could do like 45 minutes. Which is like a year after my special. But once you get it down-

Mike Vecchione 16:35 That's great.

Joe Rogan 16:36 ... it's- it's sloppy. (laughs) This is some shit in there that like needs some work, but-

Mike Vecchione 16:39 But there you have, like, even if you're gonna go back and make corrections on it, you have the scaffolding for it-

Joe Rogan 16:44 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 16:44 ... which is very important. It's like the scaffolding, it's like that kind of hard stuff is done. Not that new stuff won't come in, it might still come in, but you have the scaffolding for it now, and now it's like zero in.

Joe Rogan 16:52 That's exactly how I describe it. I'm so glad you said it that way. That's what all joke structure is like scaffolding-

Mike Vecchione 16:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:59 ... and then inside you put the funny.

Mike Vecchione 17:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Like you have to have a premise, a thing you think is ridiculous, and then that's your scaffolding, and then it's all your perspectives on it.

Mike Vecchione 17:07 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 17:08 You know who was the best at that? Richard Jeni.

Mike Vecchione 17:11 I was just thinking about him this morning.

Joe Rogan 17:12 Dude.

Mike Vecchione 17:13 I was just thinking about him in terms of a comic that I don't know if you knew him or not, but like-

Joe Rogan 17:17 I did.

Mike Vecchione 17:17 ... I watched him as a kid, and he blew me away with how good he was.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Oh, he was so good.

Mike Vecchione 17:22 He was so good. And then I talked to Attell in New York, he's like, "He was the guy."

Joe Rogan 17:25 He was the guy.

Mike Vecchione 17:25 He was really the guy.

Joe Rogan 17:26 In the 1980s, he was the guy. I've- I'm- I apologize if you've heard me tell the story before people. But, uh, he worked at East Side Comedy Club and, uh, he was there for the weekend, and I went there on Sunday, and, uh, this dude Pete, who was the, uh, emcee, was depressed. I go, "Why are you depressed?" He goes, 'Cause Richard Jeni did a totally different hour, both shows Friday and both shows Saturday, never repeated a joke, and fucking murdered it." And he goes, "Now I want to quit comedy."

Mike Vecchione 17:51 (laughs) ... that's insane.

Joe Rogan 17:53 (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 17:53 That's insane. Yeah, people like that'll frustrate you-

Joe Rogan 17:56 Yeah. He was-

Mike Vecchione 17:56 ... you know, as a comic. But watching him as a kid, I was like, "This is the f-" 'Cause we're Italians.

Joe Rogan 18:00 Yup.

Mike Vecchione 18:00 So we're watching it as... But he's funny no matter what.

Joe Rogan 18:03 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 18:03 But just especially from being an Italian family and watching him.

Joe Rogan 18:06 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 18:06 I'm like, "This is the funniest thing." We were dy- we'd quote him.

Joe Rogan 18:09 He was so good.

Mike Vecchione 18:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:10 He was so good. And you had to see him live. It's one of those things. Like, you see, he's got some great specials. Uh, A Steaming Pile of Me-

Mike Vecchione 18:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:17 ... is great. Um-

Mike Vecchione 18:19 Platypus Man.

Joe Rogan 18:20 That's great, I remember-

Mike Vecchione 18:21 His first one was The Boy From New York City.

Joe Rogan 18:22 That's great too, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 18:23 That's a great one. He has that Jaw- Jaws story-

Joe Rogan 18:25 Yes. (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 18:25 ... about being on the road and being so bored and watching the movie Jaws.

Joe Rogan 18:30 Jaws 3, Jaws 3.

Mike Vecchione 18:30 Jaws just hits you in the face with how stupid it is. It's such a great bit, and it's so punched up all the way through. And I, I just, I absolutely love that.

Joe Rogan 18:38 He was the best, what I was getting at, as, uh, uh, maximizing the scaffolding. He would take a bit and he would find every possible angle. And right when you thought he was done, he, it would get funnier.

Mike Vecchione 18:48 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:48 It would go deeper-

Mike Vecchione 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:49 ... and funnier, and more ridiculous, and there'd be-

Mike Vecchione 18:51 I love it.

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Mike Vecchione 20:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:13 ... so he did a show on UPN, it, Platypus Man, sa- same as the special, they called it that. Um, and then, uh, that didn't... UPN was like, uh, it was a new network and nobody was watching it. It was one of those things, just like-

Mike Vecchione 20:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:26 ... if you had a na- a show there, it's like, (inhales) now you-

Mike Vecchione 20:28 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:29 ... now you can't have a show on NBC.

Mike Vecchione 20:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:30 You know what I mean? It's not that good.

Mike Vecchione 20:31 And the network's not getting any eyes.

Joe Rogan 20:33 Exactly.

Mike Vecchione 20:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:33 But it was okay, you know, and it lasted a little bit. And then he did The Mask with Jim Carrey-

Mike Vecchione 20:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:37 ... and he did some other stuff, but-

Mike Vecchione 20:39 He was good in that. He's a good actor.

Joe Rogan 20:40 He's a good actor, but he didn't have the classic good looks that would... Not that you need them. Like, look at Rodney, he didn't have it either.

Mike Vecchione 20:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:47 Or Jon Lovitz didn't have it either. But it's like, he wanted to be a movie star and he was bummed out that he was on the road all the time. And I would, uh, every time I would do radio, you know, there was always, like, uh, the guy that would drive you-

Mike Vecchione 20:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:58 ... and I would be like, "Who's the most miserable fuck you ever have to drive?" And they all said Richard Jen-

Mike Vecchione 21:02 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 21:03 They all said that.

Mike Vecchione 21:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:04 I go, "No." It was just me, it was like a-

Mike Vecchione 21:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:06 ... mistake in my heart.

Mike Vecchione 21:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:07 "No, he's the best."

Mike Vecchione 21:09 Yeah. There's gotta be an opposite.

Joe Rogan 21:11 He's-

Mike Vecchione 21:11 If you're the funniest guy, like, it, there's gotta be an opposite to that, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:14 Exactly. There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a disdain-

Mike Vecchione 21:17 And it's a shame.

Joe Rogan 21:17 ... and an anger-

Mike Vecchione 21:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:18 ... and a frustration. But it led him to be a fucking genius comedian, man.

Mike Vecchione 21:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:22 He was so good.

Mike Vecchione 21:22 And no one talks about him anymore.

Joe Rogan 21:24 I don't care.

Mike Vecchione 21:24 I feel like, I don't feel like anyone talks about him anymore, but he really-

Joe Rogan 21:26 I try to carry the torch, I really do.

Mike Vecchione 21:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:28 Because he affected me a lot when I was a kid. I remember, uh, I used to kind of, I... One time I was an open mic-er and I, I found myself physically got sick. I was like, "Oh, no." I sounded exactly like him on stage.

Mike Vecchione 21:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:41 Like I was copying him. I was like, "Oh, no, don't do that." But it's just 'cause I loved him so much.

Mike Vecchione 21:45 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 21:45 I was such a fan.

Mike Vecchione 21:46 But as soon as that happens, it's go, it goes, "I gotta stop listening to this guy."

Joe Rogan 21:49 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 21:49 "Or I gotta get away from him, I gotta stop listening to him."

Joe Rogan 21:51 Exactly.

Mike Vecchione 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Exactly. But it was just I just wanted to be him.

Mike Vecchione 21:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:54 I wanted... I admired him so much-

Mike Vecchione 21:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:56 ... I wanted to be like him.

Mike Vecchione 21:57 But that's such a great thing with the scaffolding, and it's, like, punched up all the way through. And then just walking up there and knowing, it's like, "I'm about to let this loose on this crowd."

Joe Rogan 22:06 Yes.

Mike Vecchione 22:06 And it's like watching them react to it.

Joe Rogan 22:08 Yes.

Mike Vecchione 22:08 It's like they're doubled over and you just keep coming at... It's like when you're fight- if you're fighting somebody, like a boxer-

Joe Rogan 22:13 Yes.

Mike Vecchione 22:13 ... like a Pacquiao, in his prime, where he'd turn you, he'd hit you three times, turn you, hit you three times, turn you, and then hit you-

Joe Rogan 22:21 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 22:21 ... three more... And you're like o- you're like, "I can't, I can't move."

Joe Rogan 22:24 Right, right.

Mike Vecchione 22:24 Like, there's no defense to this.

Joe Rogan 22:25 Right. (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 22:26 So that's what it, that's what, like, that is like. It's, like, just keep coming with punches, punches, punches, punches, and, um, it's unreal.

Joe Rogan 22:33 I love a, I love a big chunk like that. Like, one of my favorite bits of the last few years, Brian Simpson has this bit about the song Wet-Ass Pussy, but it goes all the way back to Queen Elizabeth.

Mike Vecchione 22:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:45 It's, like, this amazing long bit.

Mike Vecchione 22:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:47 I don't want to ruin it-

Mike Vecchione 22:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:48 ... but the end of it is fucking (smacks lips) he wraps it up with a bow, it's his closer.

Mike Vecchione 22:52 I love that.

Joe Rogan 22:52 It's so good.

Mike Vecchione 22:53 I love it.

Joe Rogan 22:54 I would, like, leave the green room when I knew he was gonna close just so I could watch the Wet-Ass Pussy. But I would ask him to do it, "Please." I'd go, "Please do the Wet-Ass Pussy bit, please."

Mike Vecchione 23:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:02 Because it was such a w- it's like a pol-... But Brian's a real writer.

Mike Vecchione 23:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:06 Like, Brian sits down and writes.

Mike Vecchione 23:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:09 Which is one of the things that I always try to tell young guys. I'm like, "I know you like to write on stage. I know you write when you're with your friends. I know you come up with great premises and you work them out on stage. But that extra step of sitting down and writing is fucking critical, man."

Mike Vecchione 23:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:23 "It's big."

Mike Vecchione 23:23 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:24 "It's big, because you can get stuff there that you wouldn't get."

Mike Vecchione 23:27 Right. And it's gotta be a routine.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Yep.

Mike Vecchione 23:29 It's like, get up, do whatever you do, stretch. And then, uh, that's what I do now, is, like, stretch and then, uh, delay coffee. That's another big thing I'm trying, is to delay coffee. Get... 'Cause the gym is in the building, get a workout first right out of bed. And then, uh, and then come back up, cold shower, and then get a cup of coffee, and then write.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Do that cold shower first, dude. Do that cold shower right away-

Mike Vecchione 23:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:54 ... and then you won't even need the coffee. You'll be like, "Yeah." (inhales) ... oooh to get out of there.

Mike Vecchione 23:59 And then right into a workout?

Joe Rogan 24:00 And then go right into a workout.

Mike Vecchione 24:01 And then a hot shower after?

Joe Rogan 24:03 Sure. Yeah. I do sauna-

Mike Vecchione 24:04 Workout?

Joe Rogan 24:04 ... sauna after the workout. That's what I usually do.

Mike Vecchione 24:06 That's great.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Yeah. That's the move.

Mike Vecchione 24:08 I used to do steam room when I was at the gym.

Joe Rogan 24:10 Steam room's okay-

Mike Vecchione 24:10 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:10 ... but the problem with steam room is you really can't get it as hot because dry air won't, like, scald your skin like wet air. Wet air will poach you.

Mike Vecchione 24:19 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:19 If you do 195 degrees wet, you're gonna get burned. Like it's gonna-

Mike Vecchione 24:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:23 ... literally poach you like an egg.

Mike Vecchione 24:25 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:25 But you can do 195 dry in a sauna and that's why I don't know much about the infrared saunas. I don't think there's the- the same amount of data on them. It's definitely better than doing nothing, but I think that the real sauna, like we have a Salus sauna in the back here. That motherfucker will go up to 210, 215 if you want it to.

Mike Vecchione 24:43 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:44 And, but that dry sauna is where all the research from Finland comes out. They, they did, over 20 years they found that if you do the sauna four times a week for 20 minutes at 175 degrees, it's a 40% decrease in all cause mortality. Everything.

Mike Vecchione 25:00 Didn't they do that... Was this study in Italy?

Joe Rogan 25:02 No this was-

Mike Vecchione 25:02 They did a study of Italians who were doing sauna and, and it, it was something similar to that.

Joe Rogan 25:06 It's all similar because it's all great for reduction of inflammation, increase of red blood cells. It has like a mild EPO effect on your endurance.

Mike Vecchione 25:14 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Like one of the things that I've done, like every time I've been injured where I couldn't do cardio, I just did sauna every day and then I'd go back to cardio and it was not that much of a drop off. Not like it used to be.

Mike Vecchione 25:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Like it used to be, like, if I got hurt, I couldn't hit the bag, I couldn't do cardio for a while, and then I would go back to doing it and be like, "Oh, God. I'm so outta shape."

Mike Vecchione 25:33 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:34 So that drop off doesn't happen as much. Not nearly as much, if you do sauna every day. And all, like, the Eastern Blo- Dan Gable told me that that was something that he learned in his wrestling days.

Mike Vecchione 25:43 Wow.

Joe Rogan 25:43 That all the Eastern Bloc guys were all doing sauna after training and it's essentially like static cardio. So, like, I wear a Whoop strap and I'll go in the sauna after training and I'll look at my app and I'm at 145 beats per minute just sitting there, because I'll go straight from working out. So like I'll do rounds on the bag and then heart rate elevated, go right in the sauna and it keeps your heart rate up.

Mike Vecchione 26:06 Wow.

Joe Rogan 26:07 Because you're fucking struggling. You're struggling, your body's str- 'cause it's already overheated from the workout and then your body's in 195 degrees and your heart's just pounding, but it's like static cardio.

Mike Vecchione 26:18 That's really something.

Joe Rogan 26:19 It's really good for you.

Mike Vecchione 26:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:20 And then I stretch in there-

Mike Vecchione 26:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 ... which is the best.

Mike Vecchione 26:23 That is great.

Joe Rogan 26:24 Just-

Mike Vecchione 26:24 The stretch. I used to do Bikram yoga.

Joe Rogan 26:26 Oh, that's great.

Mike Vecchione 26:27 Yeah, I used to do it and I wanna get back into it now that I'm not paying for a gym.

Joe Rogan 26:30 That's what you should do.

Mike Vecchione 26:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:31 That's what you should do for your back.

Mike Vecchione 26:31 I wanna do that and I wanna go back to boxing. I used to do boxing. A bunch of comics went to boxing in New York and we took a class together.

Joe Rogan 26:38 You guys sparring? Were you sparring?

Mike Vecchione 26:38 A little bit to the body, but nothing, you know, we just, he just took us through the training and, I mean, I wrestled a little bit in college and I gotta say, it, it's, the training was very, very... That's why I liked it. It was very, very tough.

Joe Rogan 26:50 Yeah, it's hard.

Mike Vecchione 26:50 Very hard.

Joe Rogan 26:51 Boxing's tough, man.

Mike Vecchione 26:52 Yeah. I mean, but the-

Joe Rogan 26:52 It's great workout.

Mike Vecchione 26:53 You know, but the l- a lot of the boxing training for civilians isn't.

Joe Rogan 26:56 Right.

Mike Vecchione 26:56 But this guy, his name is Steve Frank, he, uh, put us through it and it, and it's like, it's, it was, he was like would not let up.

Joe Rogan 27:05 That's awesome.

Mike Vecchione 27:05 And you, after, after an hour, you're like, "Oh my God." And it's like you gotta get used to... You can't be on the road too much 'cause he- you gotta get used to it.

Joe Rogan 27:10 Right.

Mike Vecchione 27:10 Because if you don't get used to it, then it shoots your whole day.

Joe Rogan 27:13 Right.

Mike Vecchione 27:13 You're exhausted for the rest of the day. It's like I can't do any, I got spots that I get, you know.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 27:17 I can't do anything now.

Joe Rogan 27:18 If you're out of shape, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 27:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:18 That's like I- I always avoid doing leg days on days I do stand up. And I've done it before where I've done leg days, then I tr- and then I go on stage that night and I'm always, like, struggling.

Mike Vecchione 27:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:29 It's just, like, it's just too hard.

Mike Vecchione 27:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:31 It's too much of a burden on your entire system.

Mike Vecchione 27:33 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 27:34 You know, squats and-

Mike Vecchione 27:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:35 ... lunges and pulling the sled and all that shit.

Mike Vecchione 27:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:39 At the end of the-

Mike Vecchione 27:40 But it feels good, like-

Joe Rogan 27:41 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 27:41 ... the suffering is, uh, it's like a Goggins thing where it's like this suffering.

Joe Rogan 27:45 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 27:45 Like put yourself in an uncomfortable situation every day and then when you come out of it, it just feels so good.

Joe Rogan 27:52 I try to tell that to everybody. I'm like, "I know it sucks, but please do it. It'll make the rest of your life suck less." It really will. And you don't have to do what I do. You could just, I mean, just put a weighted vest on and go walk around your block. You don't have to do much.

Mike Vecchione 28:04 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 28:04 It's not that hard.

Mike Vecchione 28:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:05 You just have to do something.

Mike Vecchione 28:06 Something.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Just do something that sucks.

Mike Vecchione 28:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:08 Do 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 body weight squats every day. Do that. It's not that hard.

Mike Vecchione 28:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:13 Do it in sets of... If you can't do 20, do it in sets of 10.

Mike Vecchione 28:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Just do 10 sets of 10 for the push-ups. Build up to it. Start-

Mike Vecchione 28:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:20 Tell yourself you're gonna do 20 today, 20 this week, next week you're gonna do 25. Then before you know it, you're doing 100.

Mike Vecchione 28:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:26 And just do that.

Mike Vecchione 28:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:27 Just do fucking something.

Mike Vecchione 28:28 Something. Yeah, and you feel so good after it. That's the whole thing.

Joe Rogan 28:32 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 28:32 And that's the time I try to time it with when I'm writing because it's like you wanna feel all, you wanna feel that energy while you're writing.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 28:40 So...

Joe Rogan 28:40 I do my best writing late at night. I do my best writing when everyone's asleep.

Mike Vecchione 28:44 That's another secret.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 28:46 Where it's like the guys who write after the set.

Joe Rogan 28:48 Yes. Yes.

Mike Vecchione 28:49 Yeah. That's a-

Joe Rogan 28:50 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 28:50 That's a c- where it's like, "I'm done. I'm gonna watch some, I'm gonna deescalate now and go to sleep." Especially on the road, you're doing an hour, two shows. You're doing an hour, two shows, and then you come back, you're like, "All right, I wanna de- I traveled all day, I wanna deescalate to go to sleep." But it's like, you know, trick yourself a little bit, go, "Let me just look at these notes."

Joe Rogan 29:06 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 29:06 "Let me just look at the notes-

Joe Rogan 29:07 Here's the thing-

Mike Vecchione 29:07 ... that I have on the set that I just did."

Joe Rogan 29:09 It doesn't suck. That's the crazy thing about it. It doesn't suck to do. It's not like you hate it. It's not, like, painful.

Mike Vecchione 29:14 No.

Joe Rogan 29:15 But you avoid it. You avoid.

Mike Vecchione 29:16 You avoid, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:17 (laughs) It's, it's weird.

Mike Vecchione 29:18 Yeah, yeah. You avoid it 'cause you're like, "No, I did it. I'm done. I wanna go to sleep." It's like, nah, just take another, just check in on it.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 29:24 Just check in on the act.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Even 20 minutes, you might yield one of your best punchlines. It just, like, every now and then, like, the universe will reward you if you put in that work.

Mike Vecchione 29:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:33 If you sit down and put in that work.

Mike Vecchione 29:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:35 I think that's with fucking everything in the world. Everything. I was watching this video today on Usyk's training, on Oleksandr Usyk, who's just... Did you see that fight?

Mike Vecchione 29:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:44 This past... Jesus Christ, dude.

Mike Vecchione 29:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:46 I mean, he's one of the best of all time. One of the absolute best heavyweights that's ever lived.

Mike Vecchione 29:50 The thing that was remarkable about... And I agree. The thing that's remarkable about that fight is Dubois came out the first round and was aggressive. And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 29:59 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 29:59 ... "Oh, right. Dubois is-"

Joe Rogan 30:00 Fucking dangerous, dude.

Mike Vecchione 30:01 "... is coming, dude."

Joe Rogan 30:02 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 30:02 And he, like, "This is an opportunity and I'm not, I'm not gonna lose it." I'm like... And, uh...Usyk felt that. They said between rounds, he felt it and he's like, "Okay. Okay, I can't let this guy get confidence."

Joe Rogan 30:13 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 30:13 So, he stepped in the center of the ring and just started countering him and not giving up any more ground.

Joe Rogan 30:18 Yeah, and, and cutting these angles. These ... Like, he just downloads what you're doing and starts adding in feints and ... You know, Joshua said that when he trained, when he fought him rather, that at the last round, he'd never been more tired in his life. He just couldn't believe how tired-

Mike Vecchione 30:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:33 ... Usyk makes you 'cause he's constantly feinting-

Mike Vecchione 30:35 Feinting and moving.

Joe Rogan 30:36 ... and moving. So, I watched his, uh, his training routine today. Jesus Christ, man. Like, no wonder he's in insane shape.

Mike Vecchione 30:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:43 He would swim sometimes for five hours a day, five hours of just laps in the pool. He would do ... He starts his day at 4:30 in the morning. So, 4:30 in the morning, he gets up, eats breakfast, and has his first training at 5:00. At 5:00, it's all conditioning. It's all, like, running, rowing, biking, takes a break, eats again, takes a little nap, back in the gym again in, like, two hours. And then he's sparring, boxing, doing all that workout. Then eats, takes a break, relaxes a little bit. Evening session is boxing. In evening session, he's sparring, he's ... You know, he's hitting mitts, he's hitting the bag. Gets up in the morning and does it all over again. And it was like ... It's all, like, this ... That's that Reverse Hypers-

Mike Vecchione 31:30 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:30 ... that I was just showing you.

Mike Vecchione 31:31 That's crazy. (laughs) That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 31:32 That's the machine that-

Mike Vecchione 31:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:33 ... Louis Simmons created that is fucking phenomenal for your lower back. It decompresses your back actively on the downswing and strengthens it on the upswing. And Louis, who is a genius, who is one of the only guys we ever traveled to do a podcast with.

Mike Vecchione 31:47 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 31:48 Yeah. It's like, "I g- I gotta get this guy on film." He's, he's a, like a, a legitimate strength genius. And, uh, he developed that machine because he had a bulging disc. And they were like, "Oh, you gotta get your disc fused," 'cause he was a power lifter.

Mike Vecchione 32:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:02 Fucking complete maniac, just complete psychopath on steroids his whole life.

Mike Vecchione 32:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:06 He was an amazing person. And, uh, he was like, "That doesn't make any sense. If compression is what the problem was-"

Mike Vecchione 32:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:13 "... decompression will fix it." And he divi- devised that machine to actively decompress on the downswing, so strengthening all the tissue around that-

Mike Vecchione 32:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:21 ... and then decompressing it on the upswing.

Mike Vecchione 32:24 Wow, that makes it ... He must have had, like, a ... Did he have some kind of an engineering background? All ... He must have to, to create that.

Joe Rogan 32:29 There he is. There's Louis, the fucking man.

Mike Vecchione 32:32 To create that thing.

Joe Rogan 32:33 Such a-

Mike Vecchione 32:33 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 32:33 ... fun guy to talk to, too. He's just such a fucking psychopath, an intelligent psychopath. And look at his back. (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 32:41 (laughs) Jesus.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Westside rules. (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 32:42 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Swords and knives-

Mike Vecchione 32:44 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 32:45 ... and shit. Just a fun, fun dude, but a genius when it came-

Mike Vecchione 32:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:49 ... to strength and conditioning. I mean, he ... So many guys, like, um, uh, MMA fighters went and trained with him. Matt The Immortal Brown did a lot of training with him and then, you know, used a lot of his stuff with ... You know, Matt sells equipment now too. It's a lot of the stuff that he, he worked on with Louis.

Mike Vecchione 33:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:06 But it's like, you know, he would have all these guys that were, like, these world champion-

Mike Vecchione 33:11 These guys are jacked.

Joe Rogan 33:11 ... lifters. I mean, these guys are-

Mike Vecchione 33:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:12 ... fucking gorillas, man.

Mike Vecchione 33:14 Gorillas, man.

Joe Rogan 33:14 Big shaved head gorillas.

Mike Vecchione 33:17 Yeah. (laughs)

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Mike Vecchione 34:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:38 You know the ladder, where you're doing the steps?

Mike Vecchione 34:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:40 It's, like, constant shuffling-

Mike Vecchione 34:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:42 ... back and forth, spinning. It's all these punches with medicine balls. It's like when you watch him train, it makes sense because he's training specifically to move differently than everybody else does.

Mike Vecchione 34:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:53 It's all these constant movements and switches and angles-

Mike Vecchione 34:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:57 ... and strength and ... You know, he's a legit heavyweight now. He's 227 for the Duwa fight and, you know, this is coming from a guy who was the undisputed-

Mike Vecchione 35:05 Cruiserweight.

Joe Rogan 35:06 ... cruiserweight champion.

Mike Vecchione 35:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:06 So, he's a small heavyweight, but the best heavyweights were small, except for Foreman and a couple other guys. Like, Tyson was small.

Mike Vecchione 35:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Ali was not big. He's exactly the same size as Ali when Ali went his ... was in his prime.

Mike Vecchione 35:18 Holyfield.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Holyfield was another thing.

Mike Vecchione 35:20 Holyfield became this ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Exactly.

Mike Vecchione 35:20 But he unified ... Like, he unified that cruiserweight division.

Joe Rogan 35:23 Yup.

Mike Vecchione 35:23 Like, he didn't get any gifts-

Joe Rogan 35:25 Nope.

Mike Vecchione 35:25 ... there. He went around and unified it-

Joe Rogan 35:27 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 35:27 ... and then moved up-

Joe Rogan 35:28 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 35:29 ... and, and then unified ... I mean, it's just ... Uh, what was the, um ... How many weeks is that training camp?

Joe Rogan 35:37 Oh, I don't know. I mean, it has to be three months plus. I mean, I would imagine the most difficult opponent for him is Tyson Fury because Tyson Fury's six foot nine. He is an incredible boxer. He's one of the best boxers of all time and regardless of any division. Just skillful ...

Mike Vecchione 35:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:52 Tyson Fury is a skillful boxer. He's slick and intelligent and ... You know, people talk about, like, what's next for Usyk? Should it be Joseph Parker? Yeah, that would be a great fight. Joseph Parker deserves it.

Mike Vecchione 36:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:02 But what I wanna see before the fucking ... the hay is in the barn, I wanna see one more.

Mike Vecchione 36:07 One more Fury?

Joe Rogan 36:08 One more Tyson F- ... Because Fury is the only one that's giving him problems.

Mike Vecchione 36:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:10 The only one that came close. He hurt him to the body a bunch of times in his fight. He was lighting him up with a jab. You know, those fights were close.

Mike Vecchione 36:18 They were very close.

Joe Rogan 36:18 They were close. I mean, Usyk almost stopped him in the first fight, and I think it was the ninth round.

Mike Vecchione 36:24 I saw that, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:24 He, he could've-

Mike Vecchione 36:24 He knocked him down, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:25 And he pulled back when the referee-

Mike Vecchione 36:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:27 ... was, like, calling it a knockdown when he could have...... caught him one or two more times.

Mike Vecchione 36:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:31 And that would have probably been the, that would have been a wrap. But o- other than that, like, no one has given Usyk the problem that Tyson Fury's given him.

Mike Vecchione 36:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:39 And I think you give Tyson one more shot at it, where, I mean, he's training now. I know he's posting up a lot of stuff about his times, like he's doing a lot of endurance work now. And so, he's gearing up for it.

Mike Vecchione 36:49 Is he gonna have a fight before? He's gotta have another fight, like a-

Joe Rogan 36:51 He doesn't have to.

Mike Vecchione 36:52 ... want to. No?

Joe Rogan 36:52 Nah, right into the fucking... Come on, man. This guy's a veteran. He's been doing it forever. Right into the Fury, right into the fire, rather.

Mike Vecchione 36:58 See, I wanna see Fury and, uh, Joshua.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 37:00 That's an all-England-

Joe Rogan 37:02 Oh, I'd love to see that too.

Mike Vecchione 37:03 ... bash. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:03 I'd love to see that too.

Mike Vecchione 37:04 I do. That would sell out, like, Wembley.

Joe Rogan 37:05 Well, they're talking about doing-

Mike Vecchione 37:06 They were supposed to fight many times a long time ago. It kept, uh, you know, they were supposed to fight, but they thought they were on a cl- you know.

Joe Rogan 37:13 Yep.

Mike Vecchione 37:13 And the money was never right or something. But what, now with, like, Turki Alashikh in the mix, you know?

Joe Rogan 37:18 Well, it would s- If they decided to do Parker versus Usyk, which is a great fight-

Mike Vecchione 37:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:22 ... I think that would be the fight that they would have underneath it, would be a, that would be amazing, Tyson and Joshua. But they're talking right now about doing Anthony Joshua-Jake Paul.

Mike Vecchione 37:31 I know. I saw that.

Joe Rogan 37:32 Jake Paul apparently wants that fight. And he, he agreed to, I think it was 99% to one, where Joshua gets 99% of the money and he gets 1%. See if that's true.

Mike Vecchione 37:46 Uh.

Joe Rogan 37:46 That's what I, I believe I read that online. That might be just some shenanigans. But, look, regardless of what you think about Jake Paul, like s-

Mike Vecchione 37:54 I think Jake Paul's a great athlete.

Joe Rogan 37:56 Oh, for sure.

Mike Vecchione 37:56 He's a great athlete. Uh, I don't know if him or Logan placed in states in Ohio in wrestling. Like, you're not... But that may seem like nothing to people-

Joe Rogan 38:03 Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

Mike Vecchione 38:03 ... on a national level, but if you're placing in states in Ohio-

Joe Rogan 38:06 They're both great athletes.

Mike Vecchione 38:06 ... you're a great athlete. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Both of them are great athletes.

Mike Vecchione 38:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:08 People think they're s- jokes because they were famous when they were kids.

Mike Vecchione 38:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:12 And they were... That doesn't mean anything.

Mike Vecchione 38:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:14 Like Mario Lopez, people look at Mario Lopez like, "Mario Lopez is like Saved by the Bell guy." No, Mario Lopez can box.

Mike Vecchione 38:20 Can fight.

Joe Rogan 38:21 He does Brazilian jujitsu.

Mike Vecchione 38:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:22 He's a very good wrestler. I don't know if you've ever seen-

Mike Vecchione 38:24 I heard of that.

Joe Rogan 38:25 ... that guy that does, uh, "I'll give you $1,000 if you can take me down." Have you ever seen that guy?

Mike Vecchione 38:29 I love that guy.

Joe Rogan 38:29 I love that guy.

Mike Vecchione 38:30 That guy's from my high school in Ohio.

Joe Rogan 38:31 What is his name?

Mike Vecchione 38:33 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 38:33 I forget his name.

Mike Vecchione 38:33 It's something Greek, but like, uh, he, he's a guy who he was a Ohio state champ and maybe a runner up his senior year, and then he went to Cleveland State and, and was just a guy who was like, I don't think he did anything in college really. But the way he wrestles, I could see by the way he wrestles, and it's a, it's a good, uh, video series. It's just like very smooth.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 38:55 Very smooth. He's very, very talented.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Oh, he's super talented.

Mike Vecchione 38:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:58 The point is, Mario Lopez wrestled him and gave him a fucking great scramble.

Mike Vecchione 39:04 That's really something.

Joe Rogan 39:05 A bunch of great rolls, a bunch.

Mike Vecchione 39:07 That's, like, great.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Mario Lopez is legit.

Mike Vecchione 39:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:10 Like, really legit.

Mike Vecchione 39:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:11 And you could say, "If fuck Saved by the Bell, pussy. I'll fucking smack him." That dude will fuck you up, man.

Mike Vecchione 39:16 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:16 Like, legit.

Mike Vecchione 39:16 You can say all that until you get into with him.

Narrator 39:19 Did you see Georgio Poulos? I think it's his name.

Joe Rogan 39:20 That's his name.

Mike Vecchione 39:20 Yeah. Georgio Poulos.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Shout-out to Georgio. He's a bad motherfucker.

Mike Vecchione 39:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:23 'Cause that guy wrestles dudes way bigger than him.

Mike Vecchione 39:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:25 So check out this Mario one.

Mike Vecchione 39:26 I love that.

Joe Rogan 39:27 So, by the way, Mario Lopez in his, in his fucking 50s.

Mike Vecchione 39:29 I didn't see this one.

Joe Rogan 39:30 He's in his-

Mike Vecchione 39:30 I didn't see this one.

Joe Rogan 39:31 He's in his 50s. Now watch. Scoot a li- ahead a little so you can see some of this. Scoot ahead so you get... There we go. Mario can fucking wrestle, dude, like legit wrestle and scramble and avoid takedowns. Oh, he got him there.

Mike Vecchione 39:47 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Look at this.

Mike Vecchione 39:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:50 Mario shoots in on a single.

Mike Vecchione 39:52 I love that.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Like, that's some good scrum."

Mike Vecchione 39:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:53 And again, in his fucking 50s, man.

Mike Vecchione 39:55 That's great.

Joe Rogan 39:56 He's also competing in jujitsu, and I know he's won jujitsu matches. Like, these are good fucking scrambles, man.

Mike Vecchione 40:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:06 Legit.

Mike Vecchione 40:07 Yeah. I love it. I love watching this series too, 'cause it's very-

Joe Rogan 40:10 Oh, yeah. No, the dude's good. And he's, he's done it with some national champions-

Mike Vecchione 40:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:13 ... and a bunch of-

Mike Vecchione 40:14 He always does an interview beforehand. It's like, "What discipline are you from?"

Joe Rogan 40:17 Right.

Mike Vecchione 40:17 "How many years?" And then he's like, "What are you... From one to 10, 10 being you're gonna take me down-

Joe Rogan 40:22 Right.

Mike Vecchione 40:22 ... what do you think that the odds are that you take me down?"

Joe Rogan 40:24 A lot of them say 10. (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 40:25 A lot of them say 10, dude. And some of them are really big guys, you know what I mean? It just goes to show you, it's like-

Joe Rogan 40:30 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 40:30 ... he, that guy's, uh, tough and he's a technician, so.

Joe Rogan 40:32 Well, that's the whole thing about grappling is technique. It's everything, it's everything. It's, uh, in jujitsu, in, in judo, in everything, it's just about technique. There's this great old judo clip of this guy. I mean, I wanna say he was in his 70s at the time. And, uh, it's a black and white film of all his younger black belts rolling with him, like s- doing standing, I don't know what they call it, standing judo practice. And he's, like, effortlessly-

Mike Vecchione 41:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:00 ... avoiding these takedowns with balance and technique.

Mike Vecchione 41:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:03 It doesn't ever look like he's, like, exploding-

Mike Vecchione 41:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 ... or, or using a lot of force.

Mike Vecchione 41:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:08 And just flips these guys to the ground. It's gorgeous to watch.

Mike Vecchione 41:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:11 It's just like, "My goodness." 'Cause you know, you're looking at that guy, like, there's no, that guy's not a brute. He's not some big, giant, 200-pound muscle-up-

Mike Vecchione 41:19 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 41:19 ... fucking super athlete-

Mike Vecchione 41:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:21 ... that you just...

Mike Vecchione 41:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:21 He's just technique, just beautiful technique.

Mike Vecchione 41:23 Nice and loose and f-

Joe Rogan 41:24 Oh.

Mike Vecchione 41:24 And it's also, it's also it's very loose.

Joe Rogan 41:27 Yeah. See if you can find that, Jamie.

Mike Vecchione 41:28 It's like, it's like-

Joe Rogan 41:29 It's like, old judo guy trains with younger students.

Mike Vecchione 41:33 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:33 And it's, like, old. It's, like, black and white.

Narrator 41:35 I got the Jake Paul thing. There's a lot of rumors that it says that 90-91 was accepted on his side, but I can't find, like, where he said it. It's just, like, a lot of Instagram ..........................

Mike Vecchione 41:43 Maybe he doesn't care about the money. Like, Jake Paul, like, probably doesn't care about the money, but I d-

Joe Rogan 41:47 Well, he has plenty of money and if he won-

Mike Vecchione 41:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:49 Oh my God, if he, if he beat Anthony Joshua, good Lord. Good Lord. I mean, that's a big if, right?

Mike Vecchione 41:55 I mean-

Joe Rogan 41:56 Anthony Joshua.

Mike Vecchione 41:56 I do not think-

Joe Rogan 41:57 Olympic gold medalist.

Mike Vecchione 41:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:58 Former heavyweight champion of the world. What he did to Francis Ngannou-

Mike Vecchione 42:02 I know.

Joe Rogan 42:02 ... like, good Lord.

Mike Vecchione 42:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:03 Do you want that smoke?

Mike Vecchione 42:04 Yeah, I just think it's all about the promotion or whatever. I have no idea what the actual motivation is for... That fight's not competitive at all.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Well, it's a dangerous fight.

Mike Vecchione 42:13 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:13 'Cause Joshua's gonna try to make an example out of him.

Mike Vecchione 42:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:15 For sure.

Mike Vecchione 42:16 And will.

Narrator 42:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:17 And will. I mean, isn't, isn't Joshua-

Mike Vecchione 42:19 I know.

Joe Rogan 42:19 ... one of the biggest one-punch KO artists ever?

Mike Vecchione 42:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:22 I mean, he's a one-punch-

Mike Vecchione 42:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:23 ... fucking night-night guy.

Mike Vecchione 42:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:25 You know, he's a great boxer, you know, very skillful, but he-

Mike Vecchione 42:27 Yeah. The Ngannou fight, we all thought it's like Ngannou with fury. It's like, wow, this guy's in the mix now. He's in the mix. Let's, let's see what happens. And it's like, oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 42:37 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 42:37 That's what happened.

Joe Rogan 42:38 ... the difference is Fury, I think, underestimated him.

Mike Vecchione 42:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:41 I think Fury took him super lightly.

Mike Vecchione 42:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:43 He thought he was gonna box his face off, and that power that Francis has is legendary. You know, Francis is like a character from a comic book. You know, I mean, he lived in Cameroon, and he worked in the sand-

Mike Vecchione 42:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:54 ... mines when he was a boy. It's like the Conan origin story.

Mike Vecchione 42:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Like, digging sand as a boy, just fucking (imitates digging)

Mike Vecchione 43:01 Well, hopefully, he got paid for it-

Joe Rogan 43:02 Here's the guy.

Mike Vecchione 43:02 ... he got paid for it.

Joe Rogan 43:03 Here's the guy. Like, check out this old dude. And I think this dude m- Look at this shit, bro. I think this dude might have been 90 at the time.

Mike Vecchione 43:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 43:11 I'm not kidding. I don't know what, how old he is. How old does it say he is, Jamie?

Narrator 43:16 Hmm. Doesn't say.

Joe Rogan 43:18 He's old as shit. Well, however old he is, he's at least 70, and he looks to me like he's even older than that. Look at how he just-

Mike Vecchione 43:24 He's, um...

Joe Rogan 43:24 Look how he's avoiding this. That's so, like, so relaxed, man.

Mike Vecchione 43:28 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 43:28 Just the size of the guy that's trying to throw him, who's a judo black belt, who's towering over him.

Mike Vecchione 43:34 (laughs) yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:34 Look at this, bro, effortless.

Mike Vecchione 43:36 I love that.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Effortless takedowns.

Mike Vecchione 43:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:39 But it's... Look at this guy. Like, this guy hitting that hip throw, and not getting any movement off that old dude at all.

Mike Vecchione 43:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:46 And it's... Look, the old dude's tiny, man.

Mike Vecchione 43:47 Yeah, he's the tiny guy.

Joe Rogan 43:49 And everything he does is just super relaxed. He just knows where to be where you can't throw him. Look, look, steps in the right position. He's not exploding. He just anticipates your movements and meets you there. It's like, judo, when you wa- Look at that, man.

Mike Vecchione 44:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:04 I mean, he just threw a dude that's twice his size.

Mike Vecchione 44:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:07 He throws him, like, effortless. It's kind of amazing, man.

Mike Vecchione 44:11 It is.

Joe Rogan 44:12 And, you know, if... And you would think it's bullshit unless you've trained with a guy like that, and then you go, "Wow, this is nuts, man." It's just perfect, uh, like, execution of that kind of technique.

Mike Vecchione 44:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:24 You know?

Mike Vecchione 44:25 It's unreal.

Joe Rogan 44:26 And when you see it in wrestling too, it's like you see guys who, they chain moves together, and as the guy's-

Mike Vecchione 44:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:30 ... trying to do that, this, they're countering with this.

Mike Vecchione 44:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:32 And then next thing you know, they're on your back, and you're down. Like, my God.

Mike Vecchione 44:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:36 Such a underappreciated thing, wrestling, you know-

Mike Vecchione 44:40 It really is.

Joe Rogan 44:41 ... in terms of, like, the way we appreciate sports.

Mike Vecchione 44:42 And the flow of it too. I mean, I wrestle, but I was never that. I was never, like, could get that fluid.

Joe Rogan 44:48 Right.

Mike Vecchione 44:48 You know what I mean? That fluid, that's really the guys who are, like, top-notch.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 44:52 It doesn't matter what program you come from. It's like, you could see it, you could see with this guy, Georgie, like, he has it.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 44:58 It's like the flow, like he'll shoot for something, and if that doesn't, he'll, he'll see where the leg, and he'll, he'll adjust on the fly.

Joe Rogan 45:04 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 45:05 It's like the improv of it-

Joe Rogan 45:06 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 45:06 ... is amazing.

Joe Rogan 45:07 Yeah. It's, it's a really underappreciated sport in terms of, like, the way the public perceives sports. Everybody loves basketball. Everybody loves baseball. We love all these sports, and no one appreciates wrestling, so it never had a professional outlet for whatever dumb reason, other than MMA-

Mike Vecchione 45:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:23 ... where, where it dominates. If you look at MMA, like, if you look at all the d- if the disciplines of all the champions of all time, I think wrestling has a significant lead. I think there's more athletes that came from wrestling that became world champions than any other discipline.

Mike Vecchione 45:39 Well, before everybody started cross-training, I think our training was the model. I might be wrong, but, like, our training, like, wrestling practice was very hard.

Joe Rogan 45:48 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 45:48 When I was in, like, in even eighth grade, I was like, "This is un- unbelievably harder than anything I've ever experienced."

Joe Rogan 45:55 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 45:55 So I think everybody cross-trains now, everybody kind of trains like that, but we were the first, where it's like you get in, it's like you warm up, and it's, it's just military-like-

Joe Rogan 46:04 Yup, yup.

Mike Vecchione 46:04 ... in its execution of practice, so...

Joe Rogan 46:06 You have to be in incredible shape.

Mike Vecchione 46:06 In practice, you're just wiped out at the end of practice, and then you have to cut weight after that.

Joe Rogan 46:10 (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 46:11 So...

Joe Rogan 46:11 So then it's mental strength-

Mike Vecchione 46:12 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:13 ... on top of that.

Mike Vecchione 46:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:13 That's a giant factor with wrestling. And one of the things about wrestlers is they revel in the fact that they suffer more than anybody else.

Mike Vecchione 46:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:22 They, they, like, take it as a badge of courage.

Mike Vecchione 46:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:24 They... It's like a badge of honor that they'll display. Like, Mike over there, he fucking suffers more than anybody.

Mike Vecchione 46:29 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:29 That's why he wins. Mike's a psycho.

Mike Vecchione 46:31 Mike's a psycho.

Joe Rogan 46:31 He's up at 3:00 in the morning eating raw eggs.

Mike Vecchione 46:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:34 You know? (laughs) Like, those are the guys-

Mike Vecchione 46:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:36 ... that everyone was scared of.

Mike Vecchione 46:37 But very few people have said wrestling is fun, like basketball is fun. No one who's wrestled seriously-

Joe Rogan 46:44 No.

Mike Vecchione 46:44 ... is like, "Oh, it's fun."

Joe Rogan 46:45 No.

Mike Vecchione 46:45 It's like it's not fun.

Joe Rogan 46:46 No.

Mike Vecchione 46:47 Like, the f- the training is not fun.

Joe Rogan 46:48 No.

Mike Vecchione 46:48 It's, it's painful, and it's suffering.

Joe Rogan 46:50 It's only fun if the guy you're wrestling sucks-

Mike Vecchione 46:53 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:53 ... and you train a lot. (laughs) That, that moment will be fun.

Mike Vecchione 46:56 I know winning, winning is great.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 46:59 But, you know, uh, the actual process of going to pr-... It's like, "Ugh, I gotta practice. I gotta cut weight." It's like...

Joe Rogan 47:04 Yeah. But it's one of the best character developers for young men.

Mike Vecchione 47:07 Absolutely. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 47:08 You know, uh, the guys that I meet that are former wrestlers, competitive wrestlers, they're just a different kind of human being.

Mike Vecchione 47:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:13 It's like military guys, like guys who have been through, like, Navy SEAL training-

Mike Vecchione 47:18 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 47:18 ... or... There's a different kind of human.

Mike Vecchione 47:19 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:20 It's like you're gonna... You're dealing with a guy who can get through some shit that the average person's gonna fold up under. And if you can learn how to do that and overcome that desire to quit when you're a kid, oh-

Mike Vecchione 47:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:31 ... it's so valuable. It's so valuable-

Mike Vecchione 47:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:34 ... for the rest of your life.

Mike Vecchione 47:35 Absolutely. And it, and it helps if you're not very good.

Joe Rogan 47:37 Yeah. Right, right.

Mike Vecchione 47:38 If you're... Also, if you're, like-

Joe Rogan 47:39 Right, right, right.

Mike Vecchione 47:39 ... on the fence and you have to work for-

Joe Rogan 47:40 (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 47:40 ... everything, it's like, 'cause you're coming ac-

Joe Rogan 47:42 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 47:42 You're coming across all kinds of adversity and stuff, and then you have to-

Joe Rogan 47:45 Sure.

Mike Vecchione 47:45 ... figure out... And then, you know, I can speak from experience, it's embarrassing to get pinned in a gym full of people.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 47:51 It's not like losing a basketball game.

Joe Rogan 47:53 No.

Mike Vecchione 47:53 Even football, and I love the camaraderie of football, it's not losing a football game. Having your shoulder blades pinned down-

Joe Rogan 48:00 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 48:00 ... in front of everybody in a gymnasium is-

Joe Rogan 48:03 Against your will. (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 48:03 ... humi- against your will. (laughs) It's like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:07 (laughs) Yeah, it's totally humiliating.

Mike Vecchione 48:07 It's humiliating.

Joe Rogan 48:08 And the reality about fighting is if a guy can hold you down, he can beat you up. That's just how it works-

Mike Vecchione 48:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:14 ... you know?

Mike Vecchione 48:14 This guy who's my same weight-

Joe Rogan 48:15 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 48:15 ... can pretty much do whatever he wants to me.

Joe Rogan 48:17 Oh, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 48:18 So...

Joe Rogan 48:18 Yeah, it's... And when you-

Mike Vecchione 48:19 Take that home with you.

Joe Rogan 48:20 And when you go up... When I wrestled, I remember the difference between, like, regular guys that would wrestle, like, you know, in meets. You know, you'd... Malden, Massachusetts would wrestle against Newton, and, you know, we'd go travel down... The difference between that and then getting in there with, like, a state champion, it's like, "Oh, okay, this is d-" Like, and then you hear these guys go to camps every summer.

Mike Vecchione 48:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:39 And it's 24/7, 365, they're always wrestling.

Mike Vecchione 48:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:42 There's no, like, wrestling season. I'm like, "Oh, I'll never catch up."

Mike Vecchione 48:45 It's so funny because when you're in a guy... You're in with a guy who's really good, you're mentally preparing yourself. It's like, "I just gotta take it to him. I just gotta take it to him."

Joe Rogan 48:53 (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 48:53 "I just gotta go out there and be aggressive and take it to him." And then he's moving so fast-

Joe Rogan 48:57 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 48:57 ... that you're like, "I just..."

Joe Rogan 48:58 You have no chance.

Mike Vecchione 48:59 "... I don't... I can't keep, I can't keep up with this guy."

Joe Rogan 49:01 Yeah, you have no chance. And most people have no idea how helpless they are against a wrestler. There's a horrible street fight video that I watched the other day where this guy... They, they square off in the street, and this guy, um, takes a swing at this guy, and this guy shoots in with a double-... hoist this dude up into the air and power slams him on his head on the concrete, and then punches him in the face a couple of times so he's completely unconscious, then his buddies jump on him and it's a fucking melee.

Mike Vecchione 49:26 Thank God for that.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Yeah. Well, I think-

Mike Vecchione 49:28 Somebody's pulling him off.

Joe Rogan 49:29 I don't... I don't... I think-

Mike Vecchione 49:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:30 ... even that alone, man, you get... A real powerful wrestler slams you on your head, I mean, that's... You might not live. I don't know what happened to that guy-

Mike Vecchione 49:39 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 49:39 ... but I looked at that and I'm like, "That guy could be dead." Guys get... Guys die all the time from getting knocked out in street fights-

Mike Vecchione 49:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:45 ... where they're falling on their head.

Mike Vecchione 49:45 Hitting their head, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:46 That's how they die.

Mike Vecchione 49:47 Yeah. But that's another video. It's like, what happens afterwards.

Joe Rogan 49:51 Did you see that video from, uh, there was a Cleveland Jazz Festival. Cincinnati. Cincinnati? Yup. Cincinnati Jazz Festival where this couple got jumped, and this guy got beaten down and kicked. And then the girl was trying to separate it and this guy punches the girl and KOs her, and she falls and bangs her head on the ground, and she's out cold with her eyes open. It's fucking horrifying, man.

Mike Vecchione 50:12 Yeah, it's horrible to watch.

Joe Rogan 50:13 And people are like screaming and cheering, "Kick his ass," and unfortunately it's a bunch of black people jumping two white people, so it's even more, uh, problematic.

Mike Vecchione 50:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:23 You know what I mean?

Mike Vecchione 50:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:24 It's... It's a horrible video, man.

Mike Vecchione 50:26 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 50:26 Of the worst aspects of human nature.

Mike Vecchione 50:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:29 This fucking desire to beat people up for no re-... I don't mean... I don't know what the reason was. I don't know what happened.

Mike Vecchione 50:34 Right. Those things are hard to watch. You have to watch like, uh-

Joe Rogan 50:37 Oh.

Mike Vecchione 50:37 ... cute pet videos after that-

Joe Rogan 50:39 For days.

Mike Vecchione 50:39 ... in order to get yourself back, you know, like a dog who befriends a cat.

Joe Rogan 50:43 I mean, this man punched a woman right in the face-

Mike Vecchione 50:45 Yeah, that's nuts.

Joe Rogan 50:45 ... and knocked her unconscious, and she bangs her head off the ground, her eyes are out wide open. Oh, it's fucking horrible, man. That kind of shit could affect you for the rest of your life.

Mike Vecchione 50:55 I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 50:56 You might not ever be the same.

Mike Vecchione 50:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Like, uh, traumatic brain injuries like that, there's people that never come back from those.

Mike Vecchione 51:02 Right. That's nuts.

Joe Rogan 51:05 It's nuts, man. It's like-

Mike Vecchione 51:05 That's nuts, man.

Joe Rogan 51:06 You just can't go out. (laughs) You fucking, you can't.

Mike Vecchione 51:09 Yeah. Well, especially if it's a f- if it's a one-on-one fight, it's like I don't... I don't like that whole, uh, shit talking back and forth. It's like, "Fuck you." "No, fuck you." It's like, okay, are we gonna f- uh, what's gonna happen here? Like enough of this. Are we gonna fight? Is this a fight now? Or like, let's just do it and then-

Joe Rogan 51:24 One-on-one fights are stupid.

Mike Vecchione 51:24 ... get it over with, you know.

Joe Rogan 51:26 One-on-one fights are stupid. They get you killed. You know, it's... People don't play by rules, it's... it's dumb, it's almost always unnecessary. Just most people, it's just their ego gets involved and they think they're in a fucking movie.

Mike Vecchione 51:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:40 You know? And the amount of people that get in street fights that have no training, to me, is the craziest. I've watched-

Mike Vecchione 51:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:47 ... so many videos where guys don't know what they're doing at all.

Mike Vecchione 51:50 Right. They're just, uh... Yeah, you're right. The ego gets involved and it... They're-

Joe Rogan 51:53 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 51:54 They're in an argument and that transitions over into physical, but I think half the guys maybe don't think it's gonna go into the physical. They're just like good-

Joe Rogan 52:04 Bluffing.

Mike Vecchione 52:04 ... at shit talking. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:05 They're bluffing.

Mike Vecchione 52:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Yeah. You gotta don't do that.

Mike Vecchione 52:07 And... And sometimes it doesn't, and that's good, you know what I mean? Or... Or whatever, but like, I mean, when it does and you're not ready for it, it's... It can be terrible.

Joe Rogan 52:15 It's the worst thing in the world.

Mike Vecchione 52:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:16 I was wa-... There was a comic, I don't wanna say his name, but he was a real angry dude who always yelled at people, and he got in this like yelling altercation with this fucking guy and... And I pulled him aside, I go, "Hey, what the fuck are you doing, man? Do you even know how to fight?" He's like, "No, no." I've y- I'm like, "Have you ever been in a fight?" He's like, "No, no." I go, "Well, why... Why are you calling this guy out to fight? This is crazy. Like, you're gonna get killed. You're gonna do it with some guy one day and he's gonna go, 'Oh, this is gonna be fun.' This guy-"

Mike Vecchione 52:43 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 52:43 "Oh, I finally get a chance to beat the shit out of somebody." Some boxer or something is gonna just beat your fucking face in, man.

Mike Vecchione 52:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:49 Like don't do that.

Mike Vecchione 52:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:51 You don't want... You want your jaw wired shut for six months?

Mike Vecchione 52:54 I know.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Like what are you talking about? Don't do this.

Mike Vecchione 52:55 Especially with the health insurance companies these days.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Yeah. Bro.

Mike Vecchione 52:58 You never know what they're gonna cover and what they're n- gonna not cover. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:01 How crazy, right? Did you see the Ben Askren thing?

Mike Vecchione 53:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:04 How crazy is that?

Mike Vecchione 53:05 It's nuts, man.

Joe Rogan 53:06 The guy needs a double lung transplant, like, "No."

Mike Vecchione 53:07 I mean, how can that... How can that happen?

Joe Rogan 53:09 Not be covered. How can that not be covered?

Mike Vecchione 53:10 But how can that happen in our society, man?

Joe Rogan 53:12 Exactly.

Mike Vecchione 53:13 Like what's going on?

Joe Rogan 53:14 It's profit over fucking humanity. That's what it is.

Mike Vecchione 53:16 But how is it allowed to legally... How are they legally... I don't know the ins and the outs of it.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Nor do I.

Mike Vecchione 53:21 But like they're legally allowed to... To be like, "No, we're not covering that." You know, it's just like... Like the idea of a preexisting condition was nuts to me.

Joe Rogan 53:29 What kind of preexisting condition? I mean, he's got health insurance, he gets sick. Like what are you talking about? He got pneumonia, he's got holes in his fucking lungs.

Mike Vecchione 53:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:38 He needs double lung transplant and you say, "No, you have to die." Meanwhile he gets the lung transplant, uh, I... I think actually Jake Paul donated a bunch of money to him.

Mike Vecchione 53:46 Yeah, I heard that.

Joe Rogan 53:46 And some other folks did too.

Mike Vecchione 53:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Um, which is great because Jake Paul actually fought him in the past. They had a boxing match together, which should have never taken place.

Mike Vecchione 53:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:56 Jake flatlined him.

Mike Vecchione 53:57 Oh, did he really?

Joe Rogan 53:58 Oh, it was terrible.

Mike Vecchione 53:58 Ben Askren is super tough, man.

Joe Rogan 54:00 Yeah, he's a very tough guy but he's not a boxer.

Mike Vecchione 54:01 Very tough, right.

Joe Rogan 54:02 He's never been known for having good hands. He was an amazing wrestler.

Mike Vecchione 54:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:05 But, uh, Jake's stepped up and paid a big chunk of his, uh, his medical bills.

Mike Vecchione 54:10 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 54:11 So he's training now. Again, he's posting videos and he's... You know, he weighs like 135 pounds right now and he's got this giant scar across his chest and his arms are like sticks and... And he's, you know, on the bike working out again and Ben's trying to put weight back on and very-

Mike Vecchione 54:26 Just trying to rehab to-

Joe Rogan 54:27 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 54:28 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:28 He's trying to get his body back right.

Mike Vecchione 54:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:30 You know.

Mike Vecchione 54:30 Yeah, but I saw the... I didn't watch the whole videos but his face looks really-

Joe Rogan 54:34 It's crazy.

Mike Vecchione 54:35 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:35 He lost like 35 pounds.

Mike Vecchione 54:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:37 You know, and he was there for months just rotting away. It's just crazy to think-

Mike Vecchione 54:42 But he's a super tough... He was a super, super tough wrestler.

Joe Rogan 54:45 Oh dude, the Bellator days-

Mike Vecchione 54:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:47 If you go back and watch him in the Bellator days, he would just dominate guys. They would have no clue as to what he was doing.

Mike Vecchione 54:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:53 He would take some of the best fighters in the world and as soon as he grabbed ahold of them, they were fucked.

Mike Vecchione 54:57 And that guy had... Like was known to have a motor. He would never get tired.

Joe Rogan 55:00 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 55:01 He wrestled at Missouri, I think.

Joe Rogan 55:03 Did he?

Mike Vecchione 55:03 My friend Greg Warren was an alum there. He's a great comic, Greg Warren.

Joe Rogan 55:06 I know Greg.

Mike Vecchione 55:07 He... You know Greg?

Joe Rogan 55:07 I work with Greg back in the day.

Mike Vecchione 55:08 He's unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 55:09 Yeah, funny dude.

Mike Vecchione 55:10 And, uh...... you know, I wrestled and everything, but he was... Greg was an all-American.

Joe Rogan 55:14 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 55:14 So-

Joe Rogan 55:14 He was a real legit wrestler.

Mike Vecchione 55:15 Yeah. And, uh, he knows Askren.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Oh, okay.

Mike Vecchione 55:19 And, um, I met him at Nationals one year.

Joe Rogan 55:21 I always wanted Askren to fight in the UFC long before he did. And unfortunately, I think, like, he did sort of the prime of his career in Bellator and no one got a chance to see it.

Mike Vecchione 55:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Because that was when he was at his best, when he was fighting guys like Douglas Lima, who was another guy who people forgot because he was fighting so much in Bellator. But he was one of the best welterweights ever. He's one of the only guys to knock out MVP.

Mike Vecchione 55:46 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Douglas Lima is a fucking beast, man. And Ben Askren got ahold of him and just ragdoll.

Mike Vecchione 55:52 No kidding.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Yeah. Koreshkov, another guy, killer, fucking nasty spinning back kick. He was nasty. Nasty striker. Ragdoll. Ben got ahold of him, just... He was just throwing those guys around. They just gave him noogies. They couldn't do shit. There's nothing they could do to him.

Mike Vecchione 56:06 That's really something.

Joe Rogan 56:07 They couldn't get up.

Mike Vecchione 56:07 Yeah, they couldn't get up. And he, like... I can't emphasize... A guy who never gets tired.

Joe Rogan 56:12 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 56:13 Like I always had to, like, pace out, like, and think about like, "Ugh, how much energy is this?" You kind of have to subconsciously go-

Joe Rogan 56:19 Right.

Mike Vecchione 56:19 ... "How much energy is this gonna take because I gotta, I gotta conserve my energy." It's like, that's just not a thing with him.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Well, that's the guy, that's the difference between a guy who's, like, constantly wrestling and doing it all of his life and doing camps and starting when he was a young boy.

Mike Vecchione 56:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:32 And also, like, his technique was so good. He's, like, so unorthodox as well.

Mike Vecchione 56:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:37 So efficient.

Mike Vecchione 56:37 Yeah, yeah. (laughs) So efficient.

Joe Rogan 56:39 You know? So efficient.

Mike Vecchione 56:39 Efficient with the energy is a big thing.

Joe Rogan 56:41 Mm-hmm. Oh, that's huge. Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 56:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:42 I mean, if a guy doesn't have to be tense all the time, you know. But it's like this, uh, video that I watched with Usyk, it was very eye-opening. It was like, of course, of course.

Mike Vecchione 56:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:51 He would do 15 rounds of three and a half minutes with a 20-second rest. So he's preparing himself for a 12-round fight, he would do 15, but he would do three and a half minute rounds and he would do 20 seconds rest instead of one minute.

Mike Vecchione 57:03 That's crazy. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:04 And if he, uh, if he touched his back to the ropes at any point in time, he would add another round.

Mike Vecchione 57:10 That's nuts. That's great. That's really great.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Fucking yeah. (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 57:14 I love that.

Joe Rogan 57:15 But that's-

Mike Vecchione 57:16 It's like the Lomachenko. I didn't see the Usyk one, but I saw how Lomachenko trained.

Joe Rogan 57:20 Same trainer.

Mike Vecchione 57:20 Yeah, the same co-... Oh, his father?

Joe Rogan 57:22 Same coach, yeah.

Mike Vecchione 57:23 His father trains Usyk.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Lomachenko's fa-... Yes, exactly, same coach.

Mike Vecchione 57:25 Yeah. And it's, uh, bananas, like the coordination.

Joe Rogan 57:27 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 57:28 He quit boxing as a young kid to learn Russian dance.

Joe Rogan 57:31 Well, that's why his footwork is so crazy.

Mike Vecchione 57:32 Yeah, his footwork is insane.

Joe Rogan 57:33 His footwork's insane.

Mike Vecchione 57:34 I would really liked to have seen him fight Shakur.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Mm-hmm. Sure.

Mike Vecchione 57:36 And, uh, these guys Tank and Shakur are great, but they were calling him out and it was after, uh, I think Lomachenko was... It was after-

Joe Rogan 57:44 Well, I felt like-

Mike Vecchione 57:44 ... he fought Haney and he was like, "I'm kinda done." He fought Kambosos and then that was... He, he rapped on that.

Joe Rogan 57:49 Yeah. I felt like he got robbed in the Haney fight.

Mike Vecchione 57:51 I thought so too.

Joe Rogan 57:51 I thought he won that fight.

Mike Vecchione 57:52 I thought he won.

Joe Rogan 57:53 It was a bummer to me because it was like this is kind of a great comeback story, the guy fights for Ukraine in the war, comes back, gets back-

Mike Vecchione 58:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:01 ... into shape-

Mike Vecchione 58:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:01 ... fights again, and I think-

Mike Vecchione 58:02 And Haney's great-

Joe Rogan 58:03 Great.

Mike Vecchione 58:03 ... but he was much bigger than Lomo.

Joe Rogan 58:06 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 58:06 Lomo was, uh, he just looked-

Joe Rogan 58:08 By the way-

Mike Vecchione 58:08 ... very small.

Joe Rogan 58:09 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 58:09 He looked like, you know, he was fighting at 35-

Joe Rogan 58:11 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 58:12 ... but these guys are cutting down from God knows where.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 58:15 Like Haney's fighting at 47 now.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 58:18 So it's... You know. You could just see their builds.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Yup.

Mike Vecchione 58:22 They look different.

Joe Rogan 58:22 Yeah. This is a different size, different sized person.

Mike Vecchione 58:24 But Shakur, I'm saying Shakur is... looks about the same size as Lomo.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Also, super skillful.

Mike Vecchione 58:30 Naturally. Super skillful.

Joe Rogan 58:31 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 58:32 And I was happy, I was happy his last fight.

Joe Rogan 58:34 His last fight, best Philly shell since Floyd Mayweather.

Mike Vecchione 58:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 His fucking defense was incredible.

Mike Vecchione 58:39 Yeah. Defense and he, he stayed... And that, that guy was putting-

Joe Rogan 58:42 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 58:42 ... the guy from, uh, Golden Boy. Uh, I can't remember his name, who, who he fought, but was just a good fighter-

Joe Rogan 58:48 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 58:48 ... and was really pressuring him-

Joe Rogan 58:49 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 58:50 ... and Shakur stayed in the pocket.

Joe Rogan 58:52 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 58:52 He stayed in the pocket.

Joe Rogan 58:53 He also said he's not gonna fight that way anymore.

Mike Vecchione 58:54 'Cause people were calling him a runner before, he's not a runner, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:56 Yeah. But he said after that fight, "I'm not gonna fight that way anymore." He said, "I took too many shots."

Mike Vecchione 59:00 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 59:00 Yeah, because he wanted to, like, put on a show-

Mike Vecchione 59:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:03 ... and show everybody he's not just a runner, he could stand in the pocket.

Mike Vecchione 59:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:05 But then he's like, "Why am I doing this?" (laughs)

Mike Vecchione 59:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:08 "I'll box the shit outta these motherfuckers."

Mike Vecchione 59:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:10 Which I get too.

Mike Vecchione 59:10 I mean, he's silver medalist, that guy.

Joe Rogan 59:12 Yeah. Oh, he's elite.

Mike Vecchione 59:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:13 He's elite. And just one of the best, like, as, as far as skill.

Mike Vecchione 59:16 Who do you think will croff with Canelo?

Joe Rogan 59:18 I love it.

Mike Vecchione 59:19 Do you?

Joe Rogan 59:19 Yeah, I love that Cro-

Mike Vecchione 59:20 See, I don't.

Joe Rogan 59:20 ... Crawford wants to do it.

Mike Vecchione 59:21 I don't love it.

Joe Rogan 59:22 Why?

Mike Vecchione 59:22 I think it's Crawford's last fight, so I'm happy he's gonna cash out and I'm rooting for him, but I would like to see him stay at 54 and fight Virgil Ortiz.

Joe Rogan 59:31 I'd like to see that too-

Mike Vecchione 59:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:32 ... but the big money is Canelo.

Mike Vecchione 59:34 I know.

Joe Rogan 59:34 And why not do it? I mean, what a ballsy move. You go 47 to 54 and you go, "Fuck 60." Go right up to 68. That's crazy, 'cause he's really not even a 54.

Mike Vecchione 59:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:44 He's taken the fight at 54, he took Madrimov-

Mike Vecchione 59:46 Madrimov.

Joe Rogan 59:46 ... because it was a big fight.

Mike Vecchione 59:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:48 Wins another world title.

Mike Vecchione 59:49 Right. And he won that f-... People were, like, trying to discredit, like he fought... First of all, Terence fought great.

Joe Rogan 59:54 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 59:55 Madrimov is great, he's a great fighter.

Joe Rogan 59:57 Madrimov is good, dude.

Mike Vecchione 59:57 And fought him differently-

Joe Rogan 59:59 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 59:59 ... than he fought every other guy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Yeah, 'cause he's dangerous.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:00 He did fight him differently. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 He's dangerous and he's big.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:03 And Madrimov is a great athlete. Anybody who does a back flip-

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:06 ... in the, in the ring-

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:07 ... like that guy, he's a great athlete. And, and he is like, uh, all these Eastern Bloc fighters always have like seven... They're like seven and oh, and it looks like nothing, it's like yeah, but he has 400 amateur fights.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Exactly. Like Artur Beterbiev-

Mike Vecchione 1:00:21 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 ... is a perfect example.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:23 That guy's a beast.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 He had like 300 amateur fights.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 So did Lomachenko. They, they have hundreds-

Mike Vecchione 1:00:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 ... of amateur fights. And by, and by the time they get to the professional ranks, like, yeah, this isn't a regular one and oh guy.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:33 No.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 These are, these are guys that just... They can do stuff that you can't even imagine being able to do.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:38 They're unreal. So who do you have in the fight?

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 I would... Listen, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be a great fight. You're dealing with two all-time greats. Crawford's one of the best switch-hitters, I think, since Marvin Hagler, and one of the most skillful boxers alive. And then you have Canelo, who probably isn't the same guy as he was just, like, a few years ago.

Mike Vecchione 1:00:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 But still one of the greatest of all time, still has brutal knockout power. You know, I mean, if you go back to, like, some of his, y- you know, like more impressive fights from a few years ago, like...... like, uh, the Amir Khan KO. You know, like, the Billy Joe Saunders KO.

Mike Vecchione 1:01:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Like, those K... Like, he's probably not that guy anymore.

Mike Vecchione 1:01:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 But he's still, he's still young enough that he's still, like, pretty close to his prime and one of the best of all time.

Mike Vecchione 1:01:27 I'd like to see him fight David Benavidez.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Oh, yeah, of course.

Mike Vecchione 1:01:29 And I think that the WBC should have forced it, that fight. I know, uh, he's the, he's the draw of boxing and he's the face of boxing and all that stuff, but-

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Says a lot that he doesn't want that fight.

Mike Vecchione 1:01:42 ... you, you can't, you can't let the inmates run the asylum, for lack of a better phrase.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Right.

Mike Vecchione 1:01:46 You have to force the fight. Patrick Mahomes comes into, into a football season, he doesn't automatically go to the playoffs.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Right.

Mike Vecchione 1:01:52 He's gotta play every game. And if he loses enough game... He has to go on the road in the playoffs. It's like, the WBC should have forced-

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 1:02:00 ... Canelo to fight David Benavidez. 'Cause that's not fair that David Benavidez, it has to, like, go up to 75 now.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Mm-hmm.

Mike Vecchione 1:02:06 And he has to wait to see the winner of the Beterbiev-Bivol fight.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Yeah. Well, that was the fight. The fight, I mean, for Mexican bragging rights too, you know?

Mike Vecchione 1:02:16 Yeah. What a great fight. And, and in-

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Amazing fight.

Mike Vecchione 1:02:17 ... no way do I think that Canelo was afraid of him or anything. He's just trying to maneuver his career with the least risk.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 And the most money.

Mike Vecchione 1:02:25 And the most money.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 I think he said he wanted to, he'll fight him, but he wanted, like, $200 million or something crazy like that.

Mike Vecchione 1:02:31 I mean, but your mandat- it's your mandatory defense at 68.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 (laughs) But-

Mike Vecchione 1:02:35 It's your mandatory... How do you choose? I know you're the face of boxing, but how do you choose? The WBC gotta force that, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 Yeah, but maybe the Saudis will cough up that money eventually. Like, maybe he beats Crawford and then they say, "Listen," like, Turki Alashikh decides, (blows raspberry) what does this say? David Benavidez, "They offered Canelo 70 million to fight me." That's before pay-per-view. "They offered me a flat fee of five million and I said yes, then we never heard back." Whoa, that's crazy.

Mike Vecchione 1:03:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 But, you know, maybe for him 70 million is not the number he wanted. Maybe he thinks the Saudis will give him 200. They might. Look, if he beats Crawford, that might be the move.

Mike Vecchione 1:03:12 But it speaks to how boxing is organized.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Yeah. That's true.

Mike Vecchione 1:03:16 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Yeah, it's goofy.

Mike Vecchione 1:03:17 It's, like, not organized. It's, it's, it wants to be respected as a sport, but it's not organized that way.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 Well, there's so many sanctioning bodies, you know?

Mike Vecchione 1:03:26 Yeah, I say clean them out.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 Yeah.

Mike Vecchione 1:03:28 Clean out those sanctioning bodies.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 And it's hard to do though.

Mike Vecchione 1:03:30 It's one title.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Because if someone's offering someone a world title fight, they can make so much more money-

Mike Vecchione 1:03:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 ... as a world champion, you know? Like, you win the WBO. Let's say, like, Canelo vacates some titles and a guy picks it up. He's still a WBO champion-

Mike Vecchione 1:03:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 ... or a WBC champion or WBA