Joe Rogan Experience #2356 - Mike Vecchione

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Feeling better now?

   4. MVMike Vecchione0:13

      It's awesome.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Does it, does it feel a little bit better?

   6. MVMike Vecchione0:14

      It does feel better, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      A little bit?

   8. MVMike Vecchione0:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      You, it's just a consistent thing, you have to do it every day.

   10. MVMike Vecchione0:18

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       We're talking about decompressing the back, ladies and gentlemen.

   12. MVMike Vecchione0:21

       Lower back pain.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Another thing you can do without a machine is just, um, bend your knees, just bend slightly, grab your arms like this, and just, like, go forward and relax your back, and it'll pop your back that way, too.

   14. MVMike Vecchione0:36

       Huh. I don't know how to pop a upper back.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Hmm.

   16. MVMike Vecchione0:38

       That's where you have-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Oh, when you get someone to grab you?

   18. MVMike Vecchione0:39

       Yeah, the person's grab you, and then-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah, that's kinda-

   20. MVMike Vecchione0:41

       ... hold you, and then, and then you can hear it crack. I don't know how, you know, I don't know how good it is.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       It's kinda nonsense. It's kinda nonsense.

   22. MVMike Vecchione0:46

       Right. But, uh, the lower back is, uh, when I played football, I played contact football, and we used to go to, uh, physicals. You had to get a physical, and it was just a gigantic room, and you'd go from doctor to doctor so everybody could do it at one time. And I remember I laid down, and the doctor grabbed my leg and he was trying to get range of motion, and he got it, like, three-quarters of the way up and it stopped. And he said to me, "You're gonna have lower back pain when you're older." And that's exactly what happened. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       (laughs) You can avoid it.

   24. MVMike Vecchione1:15

       He predicted it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       There, there's, there's a lot of ways to avoid it. You know, people just accept it, but, uh, what, what you're telling me right there, uh, b- with not being able to get your leg up, that's a hamstring issue. So one thing, hamstrings and quads, uh, and, uh, and glutes-

   26. MVMike Vecchione1:32

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       ... all the tightness in those areas will absolutely affect your back. Because anytime you have restricted range of motion and you're really tight-

   28. MVMike Vecchione1:41

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       ... everything else is tight, too.

   30. MVMike Vecchione1:42

       Yeah, yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yes. …

   1. MVMike Vecchione15:00

      a really good guy. And- and very, like, the quintessential theater act. Like, you see- you see him in a theater, I go watch him after I was done with my set, and it's like he fills the space.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Yes.

   3. MVMike Vecchione15:11

      You know what I mean?

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Yeah, he's big.

   5. MVMike Vecchione15:12

      He's a great theater act.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      Right, he's a big act.

   7. MVMike Vecchione15:14

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Right, like the big stage is actually great for his act.

   9. MVMike Vecchione15:17

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       But he murders in clubs, he'll murder in an arena.

   11. MVMike Vecchione15:20

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       He's- he's a old school. He's a great person too. Like what I- what I love about him is, like, he had no desire to be like super famous, no desire. All he wanted to do was kill.

   13. MVMike Vecchione15:30

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       All he wanted to do was be great at comedy-

   15. MVMike Vecchione15:32

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       ... and just live in his own world.

   17. MVMike Vecchione15:34

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       He lived in Jersey in a nice suburban community, just chilled.

   19. MVMike Vecchione15:38

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Didn't need fancy cars or any bullshit. He just- just loves being funny.

   21. MVMike Vecchione15:43

       I love that. I love the- the idea of just like w- waking up every day and it's like, "How can I be better?"

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Yeah.

   23. MVMike Vecchione15:49

       I love that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       That's a- You know who's the best at that?

   25. MVMike Vecchione15:50

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Attell.

   27. MVMike Vecchione15:51

       Attell.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       And maybe the best comic alive.

   29. MVMike Vecchione15:53

       Yeah, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       And maybe one of the- I mean, for- in my book, top five, top six of all time.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Fucking dangerous, dude. …

   1. MVMike Vecchione30:00

      is-"

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      Fucking dangerous, dude.

   3. MVMike Vecchione30:01

      "... is coming, dude."

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      Mm-hmm.

   5. MVMike Vecchione30:02

      And he, like, "This is an opportunity and I'm not, I'm not gonna lose it." I'm like... And, uh...Usyk felt that. They said between rounds, he felt it and he's like, "Okay. Okay, I can't let this guy get confidence."

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      Yeah.

   7. MVMike Vecchione30:13

      So, he stepped in the center of the ring and just started countering him and not giving up any more ground.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      Yeah, and, and cutting these angles. These ... Like, he just downloads what you're doing and starts adding in feints and ... You know, Joshua said that when he trained, when he fought him rather, that at the last round, he'd never been more tired in his life. He just couldn't believe how tired-

   9. MVMike Vecchione30:33

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       ... Usyk makes you 'cause he's constantly feinting-

   11. MVMike Vecchione30:35

       Feinting and moving.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       ... and moving. So, I watched his, uh, his training routine today. Jesus Christ, man. Like, no wonder he's in insane shape.

   13. MVMike Vecchione30:43

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       He would swim sometimes for five hours a day, five hours of just laps in the pool. He would do ... He starts his day at 4:30 in the morning. So, 4:30 in the morning, he gets up, eats breakfast, and has his first training at 5:00. At 5:00, it's all conditioning. It's all, like, running, rowing, biking, takes a break, eats again, takes a little nap, back in the gym again in, like, two hours. And then he's sparring, boxing, doing all that workout. Then eats, takes a break, relaxes a little bit. Evening session is boxing. In evening session, he's sparring, he's ... You know, he's hitting mitts, he's hitting the bag. Gets up in the morning and does it all over again. And it was like ... It's all, like, this ... That's that Reverse Hypers-

   15. MVMike Vecchione31:30

       Yeah. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       ... that I was just showing you.

   17. MVMike Vecchione31:31

       That's crazy. (laughs) That's crazy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       That's the machine that-

   19. MVMike Vecchione31:33

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       ... Louis Simmons created that is fucking phenomenal for your lower back. It decompresses your back actively on the downswing and strengthens it on the upswing. And Louis, who is a genius, who is one of the only guys we ever traveled to do a podcast with.

   21. MVMike Vecchione31:47

       Oh, really?

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Yeah. It's like, "I g- I gotta get this guy on film." He's, he's a, like a, a legitimate strength genius. And, uh, he developed that machine because he had a bulging disc. And they were like, "Oh, you gotta get your disc fused," 'cause he was a power lifter.

   23. MVMike Vecchione32:01

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       Fucking complete maniac, just complete psychopath on steroids his whole life.

   25. MVMike Vecchione32:05

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:06

       He was an amazing person. And, uh, he was like, "That doesn't make any sense. If compression is what the problem was-"

   27. MVMike Vecchione32:12

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:13

       "... decompression will fix it." And he divi- devised that machine to actively decompress on the downswing, so strengthening all the tissue around that-

   29. MVMike Vecchione32:21

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       ... and then decompressing it on the upswing.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm, yeah. …

   1. MVMike Vecchione45:00

      and if that doesn't, he'll, he'll see where the leg, and he'll, he'll adjust on the fly.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Mm-hmm, yeah.

   3. MVMike Vecchione45:05

      It's like the improv of it-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      Yeah.

   5. MVMike Vecchione45:06

      ... is amazing.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yeah. It's, it's a really underappreciated sport in terms of, like, the way the public perceives sports. Everybody loves basketball. Everybody loves baseball. We love all these sports, and no one appreciates wrestling, so it never had a professional outlet for whatever dumb reason, other than MMA-

   7. MVMike Vecchione45:23

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      ... where, where it dominates. If you look at MMA, like, if you look at all the d- if the disciplines of all the champions of all time, I think wrestling has a significant lead. I think there's more athletes that came from wrestling that became world champions than any other discipline.

   9. MVMike Vecchione45:39

      Well, before everybody started cross-training, I think our training was the model. I might be wrong, but, like, our training, like, wrestling practice was very hard.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Mm-hmm.

   11. MVMike Vecchione45:48

       When I was in, like, in even eighth grade, I was like, "This is un- unbelievably harder than anything I've ever experienced."

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Oh, yeah.

   13. MVMike Vecchione45:55

       So I think everybody cross-trains now, everybody kind of trains like that, but we were the first, where it's like you get in, it's like you warm up, and it's, it's just military-like-

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       Yup, yup.

   15. MVMike Vecchione46:04

       ... in its execution of practice, so...

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:06

       You have to be in incredible shape.

   17. MVMike Vecchione46:06

       In practice, you're just wiped out at the end of practice, and then you have to cut weight after that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       (laughs)

   19. MVMike Vecchione46:11

       So...

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       So then it's mental strength-

   21. MVMike Vecchione46:12

       Yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       ... on top of that.

   23. MVMike Vecchione46:13

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       That's a giant factor with wrestling. And one of the things about wrestlers is they revel in the fact that they suffer more than anybody else.

   25. MVMike Vecchione46:21

       Yes.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       They, they, like, take it as a badge of courage.

   27. MVMike Vecchione46:24

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       They... It's like a badge of honor that they'll display. Like, Mike over there, he fucking suffers more than anybody.

   29. MVMike Vecchione46:29

       Right. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:29

       That's why he wins. Mike's a psycho.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:03:57

   Yeah, 'cause he's dangerous.…

   1. MVMike Vecchione1:00:00

      other guy.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Yeah, 'cause he's dangerous.

   3. MVMike Vecchione1:00:00

      He did fight him differently. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      He's dangerous and he's big.

   5. MVMike Vecchione1:00:03

      And Madrimov is a great athlete. Anybody who does a back flip-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Yeah.

   7. MVMike Vecchione1:00:06

      ... in the, in the ring-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Yeah.

   9. MVMike Vecchione1:00:07

      ... like that guy, he's a great athlete. And, and he is like, uh, all these Eastern Bloc fighters always have like seven... They're like seven and oh, and it looks like nothing, it's like yeah, but he has 400 amateur fights.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       Exactly. Like Artur Beterbiev-

   11. MVMike Vecchione1:00:21

       Oh, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

       ... is a perfect example.

   13. MVMike Vecchione1:00:23

       That guy's a beast.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       He had like 300 amateur fights.

   15. MVMike Vecchione1:00:24

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

       So did Lomachenko. They, they have hundreds-

   17. MVMike Vecchione1:00:26

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       ... of amateur fights. And by, and by the time they get to the professional ranks, like, yeah, this isn't a regular one and oh guy.

   19. MVMike Vecchione1:00:33

       No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       These are, these are guys that just... They can do stuff that you can't even imagine being able to do.

   21. MVMike Vecchione1:00:38

       They're unreal. So who do you have in the fight?

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       I would... Listen, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be a great fight. You're dealing with two all-time greats. Crawford's one of the best switch-hitters, I think, since Marvin Hagler, and one of the most skillful boxers alive. And then you have Canelo, who probably isn't the same guy as he was just, like, a few years ago.

   23. MVMike Vecchione1:00:59

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       But still one of the greatest of all time, still has brutal knockout power. You know, I mean, if you go back to, like, some of his, y- you know, like more impressive fights from a few years ago, like...... like, uh, the Amir Khan KO. You know, like, the Billy Joe Saunders KO.

   25. MVMike Vecchione1:01:17

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       Like, those K... Like, he's probably not that guy anymore.

   27. MVMike Vecchione1:01:21

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       But he's still, he's still young enough that he's still, like, pretty close to his prime and one of the best of all time.

   29. MVMike Vecchione1:01:27

       I'd like to see him fight David Benavidez.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

       Oh, yeah, of course.

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