Joe Rogan Experience #2359 - Mike Maxwell

1. 0:00 – 1:11

   Mike Maxwell’s art origin story: the JRE logo and being “discovered”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hey, Mike Maxwell.

   3. MMMike Maxwell0:14

      What's happening, Joe Rogan?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      My man, good to see you. Um-

   5. MMMike Maxwell0:16

      It's good to be here.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      For anybody who doesn't know, Mike Maxwell is an amazing artist, and did not just that painting with Quentin Tarantino in front of it, which is pretty fucking cool, but also the JRE logo.

   7. MMMike Maxwell0:27

      Yeah. A minute ago.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      The infamous logo. (laughs) Geez.

   9. MMMike Maxwell0:29

      Yeah. So funny.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       That was like how many years ago was that? Like 15 fucking years ago?

   11. MMMike Maxwell0:33

       Yeah. It has to be. I think you were, like, on episode 10 maybe.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Wow.

   13. MMMike Maxwell0:36

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       That's crazy.

   15. MMMike Maxwell0:38

       Yeah, and super fucking random too. Like, I get the question all the time, like, "How the fuck did you do that?" You know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       (laughs)

   17. MMMike Maxwell0:45

       And for me, like, my whole, like, art experience has just been, like, make the work, and whatever the fuck happens afterwards is just all bonus, you know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Well, if the work is great, that works, you know. It's like-

   19. MMMike Maxwell0:59

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       ... you kind of have to be discovered. Someone has to find you. But yet, ultimately, it's about talent.

   21. MMMike Maxwell1:06

       Yeah. And, and, you know, hard work too.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Yes.

   23. MMMike Maxwell1:10

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2. 1:11 – 3:59

   How great art gets made: craft, repetition, and the work ‘painting itself’

   1. MMMike Maxwell1:11

      I mean, 'cause that talent really doesn't co-... Like, artists so often are like, people are like, "Oh, I, like, I wish I could draw. Like, you're so lucky, like, God-given talent." I'm like, "Bitch, I had to fucking... I work every day, and have been grinding at this for 25, 26 years."

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:28

      There's, there's no God-given talent with art. There's some people have an openness or maybe an ability to see things differently than others, but when it comes to the actual technique-

   3. MMMike Maxwell1:40

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:40

      ... and developing that fine hand-eye coordination-

   5. MMMike Maxwell1:44

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:44

      ... and the, the ability to draw exact, or paint exactly what you're looking for-

   7. MMMike Maxwell1:50

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      ... God, that's work. That's work, man.

   9. MMMike Maxwell1:51

      Yeah. And it, it... Nothing came easy. Like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       No.

   11. MMMike Maxwell1:54

       ... I feel like there's some artists and, like, some creative people who, they have some, like, uh, inert talent that's in there somewhere, or it's like we have the right brain chemistry to, like, get started. But, like, I'm still improving. 20, 25, 26 years in, I'm still recognizing improvements.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Yeah, I thought that, that particular one that we just posted a picture of, that was, like, one of your best ones.

   13. MMMike Maxwell2:21

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       That w- That is-

   15. MMMike Maxwell2:21

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:22

       ... fucking amazing.

   17. MMMike Maxwell2:22

       Well, I told you, like, I probably put more time and effort into that piece than anything I'd made previously.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       Look at that thing. I mean, that is so sick. That is so sick. And it's like, that is this show. (laughs)

   19. MMMike Maxwell2:35

       Yeah, right? And what's funny, like, that piece was really, like, all the components were just separate drawings that I had been, like, compiling.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       Oh, wow.

   21. MMMike Maxwell2:43

       And then it, like, eventually just kind of formed itself. Like, sometimes I just let the work do, do what it needs to do. Sometimes it's almost like I feel disconnected from it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Yeah.

   23. MMMike Maxwell2:53

       And I ha- Like, there gets to a point after, like, all the, like, prep work where it's like the painting starts to paint itself.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       Right.

   25. MMMike Maxwell3:01

       Like, it tells me what it wants.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       Yeah.

   27. MMMike Maxwell3:04

       It's very strange. Like, there'll be a moment where it's like I could feel something's not right, and then, like, I can't consciously think of, "Okay, well, I need to do A, B, and C." But it's kind of like I sit and wait, and something tells me, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       It's so crazy that you say it that way, because so many people, including authors in particular, they, they talk about the exact same kind of process. It's like something just comes to you.

   29. MMMike Maxwell3:29

       Yeah. And that's... I've, I've done a little bit of writing, and I've, I've recognized that in writing too, where, like, I'm telling a story, and then all of a sudden it's like the characters come to life.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       Yeah.
3. 3:59 – 8:10

   Drugs and creativity: Stephen King, Hunter S. Thompson, and the cost of frying your brain

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:59

      I always wondered why that's, maybe that's why Stephen King wrote his best work when he was coked up and drunk, 'cause he was out of his head.

   2. MMMike Maxwell4:07

      Yeah. I think-

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      Like, he, he, he could get away from his own head.

   4. MMMike Maxwell4:10

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:10

      I know that sounds ridiculous, especially to sober people-

   6. MMMike Maxwell4:14

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      ... that don't... You know what I mean?

   8. MMMike Maxwell4:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:16

      Like, they don't want to admit that there's, there's, that's, there's a, a, a net positive effect of some people with drugs and writing. Hunter S. Thompson is a giant example.

   10. MMMike Maxwell4:26

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       He's one of my favorite authors, and it's a giant example. The guy was an inveterate drug user.

   12. MMMike Maxwell4:32

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       He was a fucking complete maniac. He was always drunk. And he wrote some shit that just, to this day, cuts to the core of our society.

   14. MMMike Maxwell4:41

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       Like, he was brilliant.

   16. MMMike Maxwell4:42

       He's one of my all-time heroes. Like, I started reading him when I was in high school, and I've read al- almost everything, I think. Um, I even liked the Hey Rube stuff.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       Yeah.

   18. MMMike Maxwell4:51

       Like, a lot of people are like, "Oh, like, he was in his decline." But I remember when that was coming out, like, pretty early internet, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       Mm-hmm.

   20. MMMike Maxwell4:59

       Like, no social media, but those little articles would pop up. And I, I still enjoy it. Like, I, I love everything that, that he made.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Well, he, at the end, was gone. He was really gone. And McCumber... Uh, so David McCumber, who was his editor, who also co-wrote a book with my friend Tony Anigoni, that's one of the great pool books. It's called Playing Off the Rail. It's a really... And for anybody who's a, a fan of pool, the game, it's an amazing book about a guy whose name's Tony Anigoni, who was a world-class player, who went on the road with a journalist and just gambled across the country.

   22. MMMike Maxwell5:37

       Yeah, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       And did it, did it like a real pool hustler would in the, the most dangerous, dingiest places-

   24. MMMike Maxwell5:43

       Yeah, I love that shit.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:43

       ... playing against high-level guys for-

   26. MMMike Maxwell5:46

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       ... you know, $10,000 sets in 24-hour joints in New York City. It's an amazing book. Well, McCumber was Hunter's editor too-

   28. MMMike Maxwell5:55

       Oh, okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       ... at one point in time. And McCumber got him towards the end, t- Like, there's video of... See if you can find video of Hunter Thompson-... and David McCumber having a conversation. (laughs) 'Cause Hunter was just-

   30. MMMike Maxwell6:09

       It must have been a fucking nightmare.
4. 8:10 – 12:24

   Teen LSD, altered perception, and the early-internet time capsule (Hunter doc + first computers)

   1. MMMike Maxwell8:10

      Like right around normal. And I, I sometimes wonder, like I used to do a lot of LSD when I was-

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:16

      (laughs)

   3. MMMike Maxwell8:16

      ... a teenager. And I w- I wondered like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      Define, define a lot.

   5. MMMike Maxwell8:20

      I mean, we had, we had one summer that me and my boys just, it was like every two days.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:26

      Geez.

   7. MMMike Maxwell8:27

      Like, you know, twice a week.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:29

      How old were you?

   9. MMMike Maxwell8:30

      16.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:31

       Boy.

   11. MMMike Maxwell8:31

       Yeah. But also at the-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       (laughs)

   13. MMMike Maxwell8:33

       ... you know, at the same time, maybe that has had some power in the sort of creative aspect too.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       Right.

   15. MMMike Maxwell8:41

       Right? Even, even if it's just like looking at the world differently, which is just so common with psychedelics.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:49

       Right.

   17. MMMike Maxwell8:50

       Right? Just kind of gives you some perspective that's so far removed from our normal day-to-day reality.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       Right.

   19. MMMike Maxwell8:57

       Right? So it's like you, I, I think for me, it's like what more am I not seeing? You know? Like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       Mm-hmm.

   21. MMMike Maxwell9:03

       Like what am I, what am I missing in my normal reality that maybe exists? But I, it could be total bullshit. Like I don't know, it might not have had, done anything for my creativity, but...

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       (laughs)

   23. MMMike Maxwell9:16

       You know? I...

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:17

       It seems to have a profound effect on a lot of people that have experiences and just they'll talk about, like this one, like didn't Steve Jobs talk about it? One Ls- LSD experience and just kind of shifted the way he thought about things? Oh, here it is. (laughs)

   25. MMMike Maxwell9:32

       With those tiny shorts on? It's fucking great.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:35

       So, this is, this is the documen-

   27. GUGuest9:36

       I decided I was going to fire it. There were several-

   28. MMMike Maxwell9:38

       Walking around with a gun.

   29. GUGuest9:39

       ... in the way of my...

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       (laughs)
5. 12:24 – 14:11

   Memes before memes: Dawkins, the dancing baby, and the birth of internet comedy

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:24

      Well, it kind of shows you that there's a lot of, like, untapped comedic talent in the tech industry because memes were one of the first forms-

   2. MMMike Maxwell12:36

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:36

      ... of new comedy-

   4. MMMike Maxwell12:38

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:38

      ... that hit the internet, and it had to be by someone who knew how to work the old school Photoshops.

   6. MMMike Maxwell12:45

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:45

      So you had to have some technical understanding of the programs. You had to have-

   8. MMMike Maxwell12:50

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:50

      ... use... Probably people that were using them already. You know, there were graphic artists, and they were like, "Fuck this guy. Let's make a funny meme." (laughs)

   10. MMMike Maxwell12:57

       Yeah, 'cause, I mean, before, before that, you had to do everything by hand.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       Yeah.

   12. MMMike Maxwell13:00

       It was a lot of, like, cut and paste, and, like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:03

       Yeah.

   14. MMMike Maxwell13:04

       ... and, like, different techniques. It was... Everything was by hand.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       When did memes, like really funny memes first start appearing?

   16. MMMike Maxwell13:11

       I had to f-... I feel like it has to be, like, 2000, '99, 2000.

   17. GUGuest13:15

       I was just looking at this.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       The internet meme. Oh, here we go.

   19. GUGuest13:17

       Richard Dawkins, Concept, 1972.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       Right.

   21. GUGuest13:20

       About internet, and I-

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       That was that book that he had, right? The Selfish M- Gene.

   23. GUGuest13:24

       It's... What was coming up was that-

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       Wasn't it in that?

   25. GUGuest13:26

       That dancing baby was coming up.

   26. MMMike Maxwell13:27

       Yeah, that's, that... I feel like that's the earliest.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       The dancing baby was the first?

   28. GUGuest13:32

       Yeah, the, uh, from, like, a TV show.

   29. MMMike Maxwell13:34

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:34

       Oh, yeah. A terrible animated dancing baby. What year was that?
6. 14:11 – 16:47

   Persistence hunting and human weirdness: why we can run animals to exhaustion

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:11

      No, no, no. It stays just far enough from you that you think you have to run. If it's really joini- trying to scare you, it doesn't want to jump on you, and once it gets really close for a long time-

   2. MMMike Maxwell14:21

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:22

      ... for a long time, so it wears everything out.

   4. MMMike Maxwell14:24

      Yeah, it gets to fucking hang you. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:25

      You wanna wear it out. Like, that's how you do it if you're chasing a person. You don't just run up on 'em. That just spoils all the fun.

   6. MMMike Maxwell14:33

      Right? Isn't that like the old school hunters too? Just, like, chasing a pack of deer for-

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:38

      Oh, yeah. That's why human beings-

   8. MMMike Maxwell14:40

      ... fucking hours.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:40

      ... can run so long. But that's a different thing. They're overheating 'em. It's, that's called s-... Uh, it's called persistence hunting.

   10. MMMike Maxwell14:46

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:46

       That's why there's so many amazing marathon runners come from that part of the world. 'Cause, like, these guys have a history of literally running animals to their death.

   12. MMMike Maxwell14:55

       Right. Watch out for ... Fucking-

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:57

       Freeze.

   14. MMMike Maxwell14:58

       Who had to figure that out too?

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:59

       Bro. Bro.

   16. MMMike Maxwell14:59

       Who's like, "Well, I got five miles in me."

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:02

       Yeah, "Let me just keep-"

   18. MMMike Maxwell15:03

       "Shit, I need 10."

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       ... "Let me just keep running until this deer stops running." Like, how would you ever think that y-... A deer, you would eventually catch it, right?

   20. MMMike Maxwell15:11

       Yeah, especially if they're so fucking fast.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       They're so fucking fast. Like, how would you think that one day that antelope is gonna get tired? Like, how would you even have that in your head?

   22. MMMike Maxwell15:20

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       That it couldn't just take a break? It's gonna be 300 yards ahead of you like that.

   24. MMMike Maxwell15:23

       I love those thoughts.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Just take a break, catch its breath. They didn't even know that... It's... The issue is the animals don't have sweat glands, so they overheat.

   26. MMMike Maxwell15:32

       Shit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Yeah. So, we have sweat glands.

   28. MMMike Maxwell15:34

       And, of course, they weren't biologists, so they also-

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Exactly.

   30. MMMike Maxwell15:37

       ... didn't know that either.
7. 16:47 – 28:59

   Jiu-jitsu as a life practice: boredom, character, and getting hooked by a single throw

   1. MMMike Maxwell16:47

      It, it is... It, it really is interesting 'cause, like, that's... Before I started doing jujitsu, like, that was what I was doing. I was running.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:54

      Oh.

   3. MMMike Maxwell16:54

      Like, and... But it just got fucking boring.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:57

      Yeah.

   5. MMMike Maxwell16:57

      It got boring. And th- that's when I was like, "Okay, I gotta find something else 'cause-"

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:02

      Yeah, that's what most people, the problem they have with the gym. And jujitsu is the opposite of boring. Jujitsu is... It's one of the most rewarding things in life because it's super hard to do. It's really good for your head. Like, jujitsu people in general, like, you get dickheads in all walks of life.

   7. MMMike Maxwell17:19

      Sure.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:19

      And female dickheads too. Um, but... For lack of a better word.

   9. MMMike Maxwell17:24

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:24

       But you, you get the nicest people. Like, for the most part. You get people of character.

   11. MMMike Maxwell17:29

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       Because you have to have character to stick it out.

   13. MMMike Maxwell17:32

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       To be doing jujit-... If you're, if you've been doing jujitsu eight years, I can... 99% sure I can hang out with you.

   15. MMMike Maxwell17:38

       Yeah, exactly.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:39

       Like, you're a dude who's got his shit together.

   17. MMMike Maxwell17:41

       It's almost like we're, we're like distant family members or something.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:43

       100%.

   19. MMMike Maxwell17:44

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:45

       100%. It's like you recognize, you've been through this thing.

   21. MMMike Maxwell17:48

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:48

       You know, I started doing jujitsu in '96. So, '96, I was at Carlson Gracie's place.

   23. MMMike Maxwell17:54

       How old were you?

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:56

       I was ... 29? 29? Yeah.

   25. MMMike Maxwell17:59

       Yeah. See, I started, I started at 30.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:01

       Yeah.

   27. MMMike Maxwell18:01

       So, like, around the same time.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       Yeah, around the same time. And, and I started right after... It was kind of, like, a year or two after I first saw the UFC.... you know, it was right around that time.

   29. MMMike Maxwell18:11

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       And so I started at Carlson Gracie's place, in, um, in LA. That was right down the street from The Comedy Store. It was real close to The Comedy Store. And, um, that was when Vitor Belfort was ... He had just fought Jon Hess in Hawaii.
8. 28:59 – 38:27

   Street fights vs trained calm, plus the UFC Apex: the visceral reality of violence

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:59

      You know, one thing I do find that's really disconcerting? When fights break out, I don't get nervous.

   2. MMMike Maxwell29:05

      That's... How beautiful is that? I've, I've had that ex- 'Cause I remember when fights would break out, your an- your anxiety shoots up, your heart rate.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:11

      I get weird if like, someone close to me is with me, and I'm worried about their danger.

   4. MMMike Maxwell29:16

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:17

      But, but the fact that two people are fighting, I'm so used to it.

   6. MMMike Maxwell29:20

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:20

      It's weird.

   8. MMMike Maxwell29:21

      I stopped a bar fight a couple years ago where a group of guys attacked this dude. One of them got ahold of him and he, he sunk in a guillotine. The, the guy got taken down, right away.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:33

      Oh, no.

   10. MMMike Maxwell29:33

       A deep guillotine. Like, all the way up over the shoulder, you know, like-

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:36

       And was not letting him tap?

   12. MMMike Maxwell29:37

       ... I was-

   13. JRJoe Rogan29:38

       Not letting him out?

   14. MMMike Maxwell29:39

       No, no, no, no. And I, I saw it all s- sort of k- kind of unfolding, and I ran up there, and I just whispered in his ear, "If you do jujitsu, you should probably let go right now." That calm. He like, looked at me, let go. Dude was out cold. I actually grabbed the, the guy who was out cold and picked his feet up. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan29:57

       That's a great way to handle it, the way you talked to him.

   16. MMMike Maxwell29:59

       Yeah, and he, uh, immediately looked at me like, "Okay, yeah, I hear what you're saying and I'm gonna let go."

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:04

       But also, like, this could be the difference between nothing happens to you, you're just defending yourself-

   18. MMMike Maxwell30:07

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:07

       ... and you're going to jail-

   20. MMMike Maxwell30:09

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:09

       ... for a long time-

   22. MMMike Maxwell30:10

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:10

       ... 'cause this guy's dead.

   24. MMMike Maxwell30:11

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:12

       Yeah. Especially if the guy's out, you're still holding onto it.

   26. MMMike Maxwell30:15

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       Ooh.

   28. MMMike Maxwell30:16

       Yeah. And it was quick. It was tight. He- he might not have known he was out, but I mean-

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       But I'm s- He was probably so jumped up with adrenaline and chaos.

   30. MMMike Maxwell30:22

       Yeah. He like, had his girlfriend with him and...
9. 38:27 – 53:14

   Aging, injuries, and performance hacks: TRT, knee stability, sugar, fasting, and diet philosophy

   1. MMMike Maxwell38:27

      Right? Like, especially if your knees are fucked. I'm, I'm kind of... I'm 16 years in now, and I'm like, I'm avoiding the, the heavyweight rolls.

   2. JRJoe Rogan38:37

      Right.

   3. MMMike Maxwell38:37

      Like, the super tough... Like, I just have to, like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan38:39

      Protect yourself.

   5. MMMike Maxwell38:40

      ... protect myself. And still, like, I never want to stop either, so like, I want to be able to get in there and, and fuck around as much as possible, but...

   6. JRJoe Rogan38:48

      Yeah, you gotta pick who you roll with for sure.

   7. MMMike Maxwell38:50

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan38:50

      That's important, especially as you get older. Are you doing TRT or anything like that?

   9. MMMike Maxwell38:54

      No, I wish.

   10. JRJoe Rogan38:55

       Why don't you do it?

   11. MMMike Maxwell38:56

       I...

   12. JRJoe Rogan38:58

       Oh, you son of a bitch. (laughs)

   13. MMMike Maxwell38:59

       What does that mean? (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan39:00

       (laughs) What does that mean? What does that mean, Mike Maxwell?

   15. MMMike Maxwell39:04

       What does that mean? I, I, I just haven't had a chance, I suppose. I mean-

   16. JRJoe Rogan39:08

       Oh, while you, while you're in town, I'm gonna hook you up with Wei Cewel.

   17. MMMike Maxwell39:11

       Okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan39:11

       How many more days are you here?

   19. MMMike Maxwell39:12

       I leave tonight.

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       Oh, shit.

   21. MMMike Maxwell39:14

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan39:15

       What time tonight?

   23. MMMike Maxwell39:16

       Nine.

   24. JRJoe Rogan39:17

       Oh, yeah, we could do that. We can make it happen.

   25. MMMike Maxwell39:18

       Okay.

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:18

       We'll make it happen. I'll make him a call as soon as we get outta here and I'll have you go over there, uh, right, right before you take off.

   27. MMMike Maxwell39:24

       Yeah, 'cause shit has gone, gone pretty south with the body.

   28. JRJoe Rogan39:27

       You should get blood. At the very least, if you don't do anything, you should get blood work.

   29. MMMike Maxwell39:30

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:30

       Get blood work, find out where your hormone levels are at.
10. 53:14 – 58:04

    ADHD, boredom, and pharma incentives: when ‘focus problems’ are really misfit environments

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:14

       Wow. You see, that's why I have a problem when people use that term ADHD, 'cause I think about myself as a boy and I'm like, "I know they would have fucking diagnosed me." If I had the wrong parents-

    2. MMMike Maxwell53:26

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:26

       ... I know they would have diagnosed me and they would have brought me to a doctor who would have put me on some fucking medication-

    4. MMMike Maxwell53:31

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:31

       ... and it would have ruined whatever weird quality that I have that lets me focus on things intensely.

    6. MMMike Maxwell53:37

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:38

       You know, they wanna pretend that everybody has to be the same thing. Like, everybody can't be the same thing. We, we're all wired different.

    8. MMMike Maxwell53:45

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:45

       I'm not wired normal.

    10. MMMike Maxwell53:47

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan53:47

        I'm wired, like, if you... what you're saying is boring, I'm like, "Oh, God."

    12. MMMike Maxwell53:50

        (laughs) Yeah, how the fuck do I get out of here now?

    13. JRJoe Rogan53:53

        Like, I can't take this. I, I know some people that are gonna, "Well, so what are you gonna do about that, Fred?" They can have the boringest fucking conversations all day.

    14. MMMike Maxwell53:59

        Hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan53:59

        I literally feel physical pain-

    16. MMMike Maxwell54:02

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan54:02

        ... when I'm being bored.

    18. MMMike Maxwell54:03

        (laughs) Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:03

        But if I find something that's really interesting, like really interesting, I can lock on.

    20. MMMike Maxwell54:09

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:09

        And when I lock onto that, I have no problem paying attention.

    22. MMMike Maxwell54:12

        And that's a fucking superpower.

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:14

        I think so, and I think they're fucking kids up, man. And I think they're, there's a lot of lazy parents that don't want to deal with this extraordinary child that has this weird thing that you haven't harnessed.

    24. MMMike Maxwell54:23

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:24

        And you're t- putting that kid on fucking speed. They're putting them on Ritalin and shit.

    26. MMMike Maxwell54:28

        Yep. That's... They were gonna try to give me Ritalin when I was a kid. You know, I wasn't a spazzy kid. I wasn't... It just, I was bored as fuck by what-... like, whatever they were trying to do in school.

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:37

        Of course, you're an artist.

    28. MMMike Maxwell54:39

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:39

        But no one can recognize that. It's w- it's almost like they want to pretend that that is not a real option for a human. But why are there so many artists?

    30. MMMike Maxwell54:48

        No, I know, it-
11. 58:04 – 1:20:49

    Austin as a creative hub: comedy community-building, phones in bags, and escaping LA fame culture

    1. MMMike Maxwell58:04

       Have you seen how the comedy scene has kinda started to flourish here? And kinda, like, build it, like, that little 6th Street, uh, uh, way there is pretty wild.

    2. JRJoe Rogan58:14

       Oh, dude, there's five full-time comedy clubs.

    3. MMMike Maxwell58:16

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan58:17

       Right there.

    5. MMMike Maxwell58:18

       I th- I, I hung out with my buddy Roy, um, yesterday, and I, I feel like I met, like, four or five comics just, like, standing around figuring out what we were gonna do.

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:26

       Y- It's the hub and it's also, this is the most important thing, it's the hub for development of young people. It gives young people a real pathway.

    7. MMMike Maxwell58:36

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:36

       A real possibility. And we set it up that way on purpose, like, this is the idea. It's, like, you cannot have a sustainable comedy community without new members.

    9. MMMike Maxwell58:46

       Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I find a little envy, uh, in that, like, wh- it, that's a little tougher in the, like, visual arts world, is because we're so fucking isolated.

    10. JRJoe Rogan58:56

        Mm.

    11. MMMike Maxwell58:56

        We're not, like, hanging out at the same spots all the time. And it's, like, that's how things used to be, like, back in the day, like, the artists would all go to the same bar after they were done working for the day, and there was a-

    12. JRJoe Rogan59:06

        (coughs) Right, like, have an artist neighborhood-

    13. MMMike Maxwell59:08

        Yeah. And, and now it's-

    14. JRJoe Rogan59:08

        ... and, like, LA had a bunch of neighborhoods where a lot of artists lived together.

    15. MMMike Maxwell59:11

        Yeah, I mean, LA is a little bit different from, besides New York, than the rest of the, the, the art world. It's, like, if you're not in one of those two or three hubs, like, you're, you're kinda isolated.

    16. JRJoe Rogan59:25

        Mm-hmm.

    17. MMMike Maxwell59:26

        You're, like, outside of that realm, and, and we don't have that opportunity. I, I, I really, like, enjoy that aspect of the comedy community, towards, like, you see everybody meeting up, like, they see each other every day, they hug-

    18. JRJoe Rogan59:38

        Yes.

    19. MMMike Maxwell59:38

        ... they talk over shit, they can, like-

    20. JRJoe Rogan59:40

        Yeah.

    21. MMMike Maxwell59:40

        ... kinda workshop stuff with each other.

    22. JRJoe Rogan59:42

        Yeah.

    23. MMMike Maxwell59:42

        Like, having that ability is, is, or, like, that community and that aspect is so powerful.

    24. JRJoe Rogan59:47

        Oh, it's so nice. It's so nice. And so when you were there, it's, like, perfect setup. Like, Shane Gillis was there-

    25. MMMike Maxwell59:53

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan59:53

        ... Ron White was there, Brian Simpson-

    27. MMMike Maxwell59:55

        I got to talk with Ron for a while.

    28. JRJoe Rogan59:56

        He's the best.

    29. MMMike Maxwell59:57

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan59:57

        He's the best. He's f- such a fucking character.

Episode duration: 2:30:48