Joe Rogan Experience #2361 - Graham Linehan

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   1. NANarrator0:00

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   2. GLGraham Linehan0:12

      Yeah. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Yeah. (laughs) So you were telling me about the scar you got on your forehead recently.

   4. GLGraham Linehan0:17

      Yeah, I, uh, I got into a bar fight with some, some guys were insulting a woman.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      You had to take care of business, right?

   6. GLGraham Linehan0:23

      I had to take care of a bit of business.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      (laughs)

   8. GLGraham Linehan0:24

      No, I, I fell off a scooter. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      (laughs)

   10. GLGraham Linehan0:26

       I fell off a scooter. I was riding around Scottsdale, uh, feeling great and free because I'd never ridden a scooter before, because I always thought they ... We called them scooter nonces in, in the UK. And, and because there was no one around to see me, I just thought, "Oh, this is great. I can do this all the time." (laughs) But I just immediately fell flat on my face. But ...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Did you hit something or did-

   12. GLGraham Linehan0:48

       No, I saw-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       ... how did you fall?

   14. GLGraham Linehan0:49

       I saw what looked like a ramp.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Ah.

   16. GLGraham Linehan0:51

       But it was a single step down.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       (sucks in breath)

   18. GLGraham Linehan0:54

       So I went flying through the air. And I remember when I landed, there was a weird moment when I landed, where I thought, "Oh, that wasn't so bad. I didn't, I didn't screw myself up too badly." But then there was a second crunch, and I remember thinking, "Oh, I'm dead." (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       What was the second crunch?

   20. GLGraham Linehan1:11

       I don't know. Some- somehow I fell and it went boom, boom.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Double, so you double fell. Oh.

   22. GLGraham Linehan1:15

       Yeah, yeah. And you know, I kind of like it, 'cause it makes me f- it, it makes me look how I feel internally.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       (laughs)

   24. GLGraham Linehan1:24

       (laughs) You know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Busted up and changed.

   26. GLGraham Linehan1:25

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been eight, eight-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       So did it break your nose?

   28. GLGraham Linehan1:28

       No. Oh, I did break my nose, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       Yeah.

   30. GLGraham Linehan1:30

       Yeah. But, uh, you know. But you know, it's one of those things. I, again, as I say, I quite like it. I think it gives me some character.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

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   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      men in dresses to get into women's spaces, and you frame it that way, you say this is about women's rights, then it's chaos.

   2. GLGraham Linehan15:08

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Then there's no rational conversation when it should be totally rational.

   4. GLGraham Linehan15:12

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      With those factors, knowing that some men are creeps, knowing that women are more vulnerable, and you're gonna allow these potential creeps to have carte blanche and just go into the women's spaces. Like...

   6. GLGraham Linehan15:22

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      That is an- that you, th- screaming at me-

   8. GLGraham Linehan15:25

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      ... and the calling me a Nazi makes me think I'm over the target.

   10. GLGraham Linehan15:29

       Well, you know, I think, I could be wrong here, this is a theory. You m- you obviously know more about it than me. But, like, I think that when they tried to get you for COVID, I actually think that that was sort of left over from you interviewing Meghan Murphy and Abigail Shrier. I think they really hated that you were giving them a platform. 'Cause when you think of it, no one else did. No one else did. If you look back at Meghan Murphy and Abigail Shrier's appearances, and Abigail Shrier wrote the most important book about transitioning, uh, d- the transitioning of young women, Irreversible Damage, and she's had a terrible time as well. She has-

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       She has had a terrible time.

   12. GLGraham Linehan16:04

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       And- and unfairly because it's a real issue. But this is the thing about a real issue. When real issues come up, the, when there's a real, like, ideological b- debate going on, like, "Hey, what is actually really going on?" That's when things get the most hostile.

   14. GLGraham Linehan16:21

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       Because when you can't really defend your position logically, then you start using pejoratives and turning everyone into Nazis and everyone into fascists, and you start th- really fucking the argument up in a way that, like, if you're a normal person and I'm talking to you, well, I'm gonna choose to not talk to you anymore, 'cause you're not rational. I don't like talking to Mike. He goes crazy and calls me a Nazi-

   16. GLGraham Linehan16:43

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       ... every time we disagree with something that is logically something that you should be debating, whether or not children have the ability to make these decisions at an early age and whether or not there's some kind of social contagion going on.

   18. GLGraham Linehan16:55

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       That's what Abigail brought up. And I think-

   20. GLGraham Linehan16:57

       Oh, uh, uh, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       ... that's super accurate.

   22. GLGraham Linehan16:59

       Yeah. And it, I mean, like... Uh, you know, this... I don't want to go too strong too early, but w- w- let me take an example, right? The word trans people. I see, I see people using it all the time as if it has...... a- a- a- a- as if it is a stable category, and it's not. It's not a stable category at all. It, you know, w- when most people hear the word trans people, they think transsexuals. But the number ... according to, I think, a 2016 study, the number of men who identify as trans and aren't having any surgery at all is something like 90%. Right? So you have a whole, whole group of people out there who are transvestites, okay, to give them the actual word that, that, that refers to their condition. They're-

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:45

       Or used to forever.

   24. GLGraham Linehan17:46

       Yes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:47

       Until it became a pejorative.

   26. GLGraham Linehan17:48

       Well, then it, it just disappeared. It was-

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:50

       Well, it's not, it's-

   28. GLGraham Linehan17:51

       ... all, all the transi- transvestites just disappeared overnight.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       I think it's offensive now. I don't think they like it.

   30. GLGraham Linehan17:56

       They don't like it because they know that if you use that term, it, it reveals the truth. And the truth is that 90% of these men are putting on a dress and expecting to be given every single right that women have. And it's, and it's an absolute lie. It's a, it's a delusion. It's a mass delusion. It's a cult. It's, it's like ... and I, uh, I genuinely don't think it would've existed without the internet, you know? The internet superpowered it, and they gave rise to things like ... you, you, you see it online, the same repeated phrases over and over again.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

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   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      for these ideologies.

   2. GLGraham Linehan30:02

      Yeah. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      And it gets contagious. And then, it turns into some sort of a weird culture war that's, uh, akin to a religious war.

   4. GLGraham Linehan30:09

      They call it c- b- be... They, the other side call it a culture war to try and, to try and, uh, to try and f- make it only that, right? You know, the- they, they, they, they, they talk about it as a culture war to try and, uh, uh, kinda keep it under, uh, uh, in, in a framework they understand.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      Yeah.

   6. GLGraham Linehan30:28

      But it's not a culture war, really. It's, like, it's, it's, it's women's lives, you know? You're talking about 51% of the population, you know? They fought for these rights 100 years ago. And, and now, they're, they're trying to take them away by stealth. There's a wo- there's a nurse in the UK at the moment, her name is Sandy Peggy, and she w- had a doctor, six foot two, rugby-playing doctor, who had started identifying as a woman, I think, in 2022, right? Using the women's toilets in an NHS hospital-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:58

      Mm.

   8. GLGraham Linehan30:59

      Every time. She was bothered by this, but she tried not to say anything, okay? Until finally, she had her period and she went in, and he was there. And he asked her to leave. She's now going through the whatever week tr- uh, tribunal-

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:12

      Wait, he asked her to leave?

   10. GLGraham Linehan31:13

       No, sorry. I put that wrong.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       She asked him-

   12. GLGraham Linehan31:15

       He asked him to leave.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Oh, oh, I see.

   14. GLGraham Linehan31:16

       And he refused. He took it up as a complaint, and now, she's going through a work tribunal. Not him. He's not, he's not in trouble for going into women's toilets. She's in trouble. And that's the whole of the UK at the moment. This-

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       How did this happen? Let's, let's, let's... You're an intelligent guy, and you've had eight years to think about this.

   16. GLGraham Linehan31:35

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       What do you think happened where people lost all ability to objectively analyze all the various little things that are at work in this?

   18. GLGraham Linehan31:45

       It's partly a problem with the internet, I think. I think, it's, it's first of all, the internet spread it. One of the things that happened was, uh, the, the, the, uh, there was a real supercharged moment, uh, for trans ideology when Tumblr banned porn. Because all the trans-identified kids from, to, who were, who were all over Tumblr, and, and porn was a big thing on Tumblr. They all-

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       I don't remember Tumblr.

   20. GLGraham Linehan32:08

       Yeah, yeah. It was a big kind of visual site, like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:11

       I never used it. Did you ever use Tumblr? Didn't use it, but I know what he's talking about. Yeah, it was big for Generation Z. Was it a social media thing?

   22. GLGraham Linehan32:19

       Yeah, it was big amongst-

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:19

       Right.

   24. GLGraham Linehan32:19

       ... teenage girls, of course.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       Okay.

   26. GLGraham Linehan32:21

       You know, so you've already got a, a, a, a, a worry there, you know? Um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       Oh, now I remember it.

   28. GLGraham Linehan32:26

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:27

       Okay.

   30. GLGraham Linehan32:27

       And, uh, they all came over to Twitter, and that's the moment when Twitter became extremely toxic in terms of talking about this issue. And so, there was a kind of a Th- a double thing going on. Like, I remember when I was talking to people I knew about the issue, they simply couldn't talk about it. It was the strangest thing. I went-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Sure. …

   1. GLGraham Linehan45:00

      ache, because there's always tissue left behind after those operations, and it will ache because it wants to feed the baby, but they can't. Oh, my God. You know? No one tells these kids that, you know? The younger men who are... I've, I met a detransitioner, his name's Richie Tulip, he told me that there are... Oh, and actually, no, let me stick to transmen for a moment, you know? The only time that transmen get famous in the same way that transwomen do is if they get pregnant, right? Right. And then it's like they're on the cover of Time Magazine or something. Yeah. Because, oh my God, a bearded pregnant lady, you know? Right. Right, right. And it's, it's, it's just ... i- we've always known it. We've seen fairgrounds with bearded ladies. It's just testosterone. It's just an excess of testosterone. There's nothing magical or, or, or, or great about it. In fact, it's very dangerous for women on testosterone to, uh, have, get pregnant, because they could pass on... I mean, this is how horrible it is. There was a study in the UK published by a gender sociologist, I think she is, who works for Sheffield University, and, and the study said ... this is, uh, what's her name? Sally Hines. And the study said that even if there's a risk of deformity to a baby, a, a trans-identified woman should continue taking testosterone, because there was too much of an emphasis on babies born with normative bodies. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I mean- So, preventative medication is a denial? Yeah, yeah. It's just insane. Preventative medication would be a denial because you, you, you, you, you're denying the existence of people with disabilities as if they're not real- Yeah. ... or th- th- they're not equal. It's something like that. That is so crazy. It, it, basically, they can, they, you know, that's another thing with this debate, and there's other, there's, there's ... well, anyway, sorry, I wanna stick to transmen because- But just that language is so Orwellian. Yeah. But if you look, look up, uh- How cra- but what a crazy way to justify potentially harming a child. Yeah. That we're putting too much emphasis on children that aren't harmed. Yeah, her, herself, identity is more important. When you can inst- That is so nuts. Yeah. And I'm try- I've been trying to tell people that this has been going on for years. That's the second-most shocking story I know in this...... fight. Uh, will I just tell you this first one?

   2. JRJoe Rogan47:23

      Sure.

   3. GLGraham Linehan47:24

      Okay. You know WPATH?

   4. JRJoe Rogan47:26

      WPATH. What is that?

   5. GLGraham Linehan47:27

      WPATH is meant to be the world leader for trans healthcare. It is where the whole world gets their orders for how to treat trans people. Okay? It is- (laughs) I, I, I- this is going to blow you away, Joe. So, there's a, there's a woman named Mia Hughes, and she published a piece called, uh, she published a study called, uh, The WPATH Files. It hasn't been reported on anywhere. No one is talking about it. It's not a, it's, it, it came and went without, without causing barely a ripple. She found out that WPATH, which briefly tried to make eunuch a gender identity, right? She found out that they were linking to a website called the Eunuch Archives. And the Eunuch Archives is mainly a repository of about, I don't know, I don't have it written down, but it's something like 8,000 short stories, something like that. And they're just pornography about people cutting their dicks off.

   6. JRJoe Rogan48:26

      Geez.

   7. GLGraham Linehan48:26

      WPATH linked to this site. Not only that, but f- something like 40% of the stories are tagged minor. Okay? So, these are the people who are cutting off k- young men's dicks, and they are sharing erotic pornography about cutting off young men's dicks. And, and I, uh, Jamie has all the links. This may sound that I'm pulling it out of my ass because it's so hard to believe. That's another problem we have. Some of these stories are so hard to believe that it's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan48:58

      And it's so hard to inform people, because you're only gonna hear about something like this on a podcast.

   9. GLGraham Linehan49:02

      Yeah. Exactly. The, the press won't report on it. And when you think about ... And BBC, the BBC deliberately ignores, ignores this. The BBC is outrageous on this issue. But, um, but-

   10. JRJoe Rogan49:13

       But look what they did with Jimmy Savile.

   11. GLGraham Linehan49:15

       Oh, yeah, yeah. But this is like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan49:16

       Forever.

   13. GLGraham Linehan49:17

       But this is almost worse than Jimmy Savile because there's more kids being hurt. You know?

   14. JRJoe Rogan49:21

       Ugh.

   15. GLGraham Linehan49:21

       And, and the U- UK is addicted to ignoring scandals and to hurting, you know, to allowing children to be hurt. You know, what, what's his name? Keir Starmer, the, our, our, the, the UK Prime Minister. When he came in, he said he would end the culture wars. He hasn't ended the culture wars. He hides from them while ordinary people still have to fight in court, people like me and, and, and various women who are fighting this nonsense. He's an absolute coward on this issue. But the thing about the WPATH Files, is WPATH, this place that's sharing paedophilic castration pornography, is, is, is the world leader on trans healthcare. Okay? They're the ones that are bowed to on everything in this, and they're the reason why doctors all over the world are giving these, uh, protocols to kids, because there's a thing called the chain of trust that Mia Hughes writes about, which is an ear, nose, and throat specialist has to, has to believe that other doctors know what they're doing. And they have to believe that the, the head of, uh, any particular discipline knows what they're saying. And what's happening with WPATH is they're issuing all this stuff, and it's all just crazy nonsense. One, one thing in the WPATH, uh, files they found out was, there was one letter from, I think, uh, one of the doctors associated with WPATH. And she said, "I've only ever refused a, a transition, a transition diagnosis once, and that's when the patient was having a ... That's because the patient had a psychotic episode in my office." That's the only reason she didn't say, "Yeah, you're a man," because she was having a psychotic episode. They were try-

   16. JRJoe Rogan50:58

       (laughs)

   17. GLGraham Linehan50:58

       They, they tried to transition a homeless guy. So, when you think about it, he has the surgery, and the next day he's back in the streets with a wound that needs to be cleaned. They tried to transition a homeless guy. That's the WPATH Files. And b- it's the root-

   18. JRJoe Rogan51:12

       So, what does ... Is it their goal to just transition anybody?

   19. GLGraham Linehan51:15

       (laughs) It is, it's purely a kind of ideological insanity. Like, one of the, one of the people who, who is involved in this, I can't ... uh, her name always jumps out of my head. S- I can't remember her name, but, but she suggested that a baby who fiddles with the buttons on their baby grow is trans, because they're, they're indicating they don't like this baby grow (laughs) . They want to wear a male or whatever, you know?

   20. JRJoe Rogan51:40

       Oh, my God.

   21. GLGraham Linehan51:40

       That woman was involved in the Satanic Panic scandal. So, she's moved from one insane, um, uh, uh, you know, mass delusion to another.

   22. JRJoe Rogan51:50

       What was the Satanic Panic scandal?

   23. GLGraham Linehan51:52

       Oh, do you not know this? This was like '80s, I think, in the middle of, in kind of Midwestern America. Uh, there was a lot of, um, places that suddenly, suddenly started believing in, in cults that were worshipping the devil and having sex with children. And the thing about it was it was before the internet, so it didn't actually spread that far. You know? There were a few towns where it broke out. Do you remember that three kids who were in jail for years for something they didn't do, and they nearly tried to kill them, and it was found, and they were just goths, you know? Stuff like that. And it didn't break out of Middle America because the internet wasn't there.

   24. JRJoe Rogan52:25

       Mm-hmm.

   25. GLGraham Linehan52:26

       But I have to think now, if you had, if the Satanic sp- scandal broke out again, you would certainly know about it-

   26. JRJoe Rogan52:31

       And-

   27. GLGraham Linehan52:31

       ... because it would be all over the world.

   28. JRJoe Rogan52:33

       And this person was involved in this?

   29. GLGraham Linehan52:35

       Yeah. Yeah. Same, some per- it was something to do, she was something to do with a military base. Um, oh, I wish I could remember her name. She, she, she, as I say, she did this thing about, um, uh, babies popping their mini, their, popping the buttons on their thing, you know, which is ... And it's-

   30. JRJoe Rogan52:53

       So, this is a crazy person?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:20

   On the trans men…

   1. GLGraham Linehan1:00:00

      Here's what's happening on Grindr. Straight men are joining Grindr to predate on those women.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      On the trans men women?

   3. GLGraham Linehan1:00:07

      Yeah, because some of the women-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      (laughs)

   5. GLGraham Linehan1:00:08

      ... some of the women, some of the women haven't, haven't yet, uh, the testosterone hasn't taken over.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      Oh, so they're catching them while they're vulnerable?

   7. GLGraham Linehan1:00:15

      They catch them while they're vulnerable. They say-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      No, what are you-

   9. GLGraham Linehan1:00:17

      ... "Hey, hey, I'm a gay..." Yep. "Hey, I'm a gay man."

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       Oh my God, that's so-

   11. GLGraham Linehan1:00:21

       And so they're predating on these-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       ... sneaky.

   13. GLGraham Linehan1:00:23

       ... on these vulnerable, you know, confused young women who've been told that they are literally now gay men. They're straight women.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       That's so cra... Like, how, what percentage? I mean, how many numbers are we talking about where this is a, a, a strategy for getting laid?

   15. GLGraham Linehan1:00:36

       I d- All I've seen, I have seen a forum discussion between two guys who were just-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       (laughs)

   17. GLGraham Linehan1:00:40

       ... kinda sniggering about it amongst themselves.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       Oh my God.

   19. GLGraham Linehan1:00:43

       It's really fr- It's really, it's really... I mean, you know, these kids, one, one of the things that gets me about this is that these kids are the kids that I was. You know? They're the strange, uh, they, th- th- not well-adjusted, uh-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       Right.

   21. GLGraham Linehan1:00:55

       ... spend a lot of time reading maybe-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Yeah.

   23. GLGraham Linehan1:00:57

       ... sensitive. A lot of girls who are caught up in this are the most emphatic, uh, uh, imaginative girls, you know?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       Right.

   25. GLGraham Linehan1:01:03

       And, and it appeals to them for some reason, you know? It appeals to them m- maybe because it feels so... They see men as just gliding through life in a way that they can't.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       Oh.

   27. GLGraham Linehan1:01:15

       And, and also, they see pornography from, from when they're kids, and the women in pornography are treated appallingly. And so they are, they are saying, "Nope, I don't want any of that." And they're t- they, they think they can just... But what they're really doing is they're stepping into a world where they, they, th- th- they have a four times higher chance of having a heart attack if they're taking testosterone than any, than normal women. Um, they're gonna die younger, you know? They're gonna lose their ability to have children. And, and no one is talking about it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       And they're happening in clusters. Like, that's the-

   29. GLGraham Linehan1:01:45

       And this-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

       ... most disturbing thing that Abigail brought up. A lot of these girls are diagnosed as autistic.

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