Joe Rogan Experience #2364 - Brandon Epstein

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   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. BEBrandon Epstein0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      I was wondering how many episodes with guys you've had on who fall into the camp who had their YouTube channel deleted and were talking about, like, wellness. Like, doctors talking about COVID stuff.

   4. BEBrandon Epstein0:25

      There was a bunch of doctors that had their, their YouTube accounts deleted.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      Really?

   6. BEBrandon Epstein0:28

      Yeah. It was a weird time, you know? It was a, it's a weird time. The, um, the world of medicine is interesting, because you've got so many positives, right? Like, people are healthier. They live longer today than they ever have been before. If you get certain diseases, they have cures for it that didn't exist before. But there's financial incentives involved in prescribing medications that maybe people don't fucking need, because they can make more money if more people take these drugs. And that's the problem. Like, there's ... We gotta separate the baby from the bathwater, and know what to throw out, right? And it's, you, you can't throw out medicine. Like, that's crazy. It's amazing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:11

      Mm-hmm.

   8. BEBrandon Epstein1:11

      Like, what these pharmaceutical drug companies, in coordination with all these brilliant scientists, have created is the greatest medicine system the human race has ever known. At least, probably-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:22

      As long as-

   10. BEBrandon Epstein1:22

       ... like, maybe the Mayans knew some shit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Yeah, yeah.

   12. BEBrandon Epstein1:24

       Like, you know what I mean? Like, they, he-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       They were doing some magic back then.

   14. BEBrandon Epstein1:26

       Yeah. Maybe some, like, civilizations that collapsed because the Europeans gave them all fucking smallpox, ironically.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       Mm-hmm.

   16. BEBrandon Epstein1:33

       Who knows what the Egyptians knew? You know, who knows what those people knew about health and about medicine? But what we know today is that there's incredible stuff that comes out of the pharmaceutical drug companies. But also, they fucking lie to you. They also, they'll publish fake studies. Or not st-... Fake studies. But they'll, they'll publish studies that they've engineered to be successful, even though they're not going to be. They'll hide data that shows that it causes side effects. They wanna make money. And it's not the people that are making the medicine, that's what's crazy. Like, the people that are making the medicine are fucking geniuses. It's the money people.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       Mm-hmm. Of course.

   18. BEBrandon Epstein2:10

       It's always the money people, in everything. And that's the same thing with YouTube, and that's the same thing with everything. It's the money people. And there's, there's, uh, when, when you have a giant corporation, you have, like, all kinds of stuff going on. But the number one thing that's going on is everybody has to make more money every quarter.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       Mm-hmm.

   20. BEBrandon Epstein2:28

       And that's where it gets nutty.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       Yeah. It does. And we also live in a culture that wants that, like, fast food experience, right?

   22. BEBrandon Epstein2:35

       Oh, yeah, man.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       The shortcut. And so it's, we're so susceptible to it.

   24. BEBrandon Epstein2:39

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:39

       Right? For everything. For weight loss, to any issue you have.

   26. BEBrandon Epstein2:43

       We're experiencing it a little bit in the comedy community, because, uh, and this is, by the way, this is like a normal thing that happens to young comedians. They wanna be further than they are. Maybe they think they deserve more than they're getting. They think they deserve more shows, better spots on shows. And it, it does happen. And then there's also, you know, like, there's a competitive drive involved in it. So there's a little bit of delusion, a little bit of a competitive drive. It's very similar, I would imagine, to fighters.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Mm-hmm.

   28. BEBrandon Epstein3:12

       First of all, we should just tell everybody, Success Code. You're a mind coach.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       Yes, sir.

   30. BEBrandon Epstein3:16

       You, uh, worked famously with Sean Brady-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. BEBrandon Epstein15:00

      at these launches forward and blitzes, and they're really good at getting outta the way, 'cause guys are blitzing at them all the time. So because of the style of the competition, they developed this very unique skillset of being able to close the distance extremely fast with a lot of s- lot of distance in between them and land very unpredictable shots. Like, he's super creative.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Yeah.

   3. BEBrandon Epstein15:24

      And he also knows how to wrestle now, and he also knows jujitsu now. So like now he's a mixed martial arts fighter, but he's got this one skillset that's crazy unique. And I always said that's the thing that's missing in MMA-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      Mm-hmm.

   5. BEBrandon Epstein15:37

      ... because we see what happens when you get like a really elite boxer. We've seen what happens with a really elite kickboxer, a really elite jujitsu guy, or wrestler. We haven't seen a really elite point fighter who learns all those other skills, 'cause it's a different thing. It's not like, like you know Pereira fights, he's not moving around a lot, dude. He's coming right at you.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      Yep.

   7. BEBrandon Epstein15:56

      There's not a lot of dancing-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:58

      Stalking move.

   9. BEBrandon Epstein15:58

      ... and there's not a lot of, you know, fucking, there's not a lot of-

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Finesse. He's just grinding into you.

   11. BEBrandon Epstein16:02

       San Hagen moves.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Mm-hmm.

   13. BEBrandon Epstein16:03

       You know, San Hagen is like constantly giving you different looks and overloading your mind. Pereira's stalking you, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Yeah.

   15. BEBrandon Epstein16:09

       It's very... What V- MVP is doing is something totally different. Like you can't even touch him. He's f- he's hitting guys, like g- guys that have like a lot of experience in the UFC, he's hitting them with shots they don't see coming, they can't hit him. Kevin Holland was like, "Where the fuck is he? I can't even find him. This is nuts." The guy just launches himself at you, pops you, cracks you, and then he's gone, and you're like, "Okay." He's moving way faster than anybody you've ever fought before, and covers way more distance quicker than anybody you've ever fought before. S- it's like the difference between someone who, uh, is like standing in front of people and knocking sticks and an elite fencer.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Hmm.

   17. BEBrandon Epstein16:50

       You know, you ever see those-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Yeah.

   19. BEBrandon Epstein16:51

       ... elite fencers? They dive forward-

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       Yeah.

   21. BEBrandon Epstein16:53

       They dive forward and crack you.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Yeah.

   23. BEBrandon Epstein16:54

       This guy can do that with like knockout shots.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       That's wild.

   25. BEBrandon Epstein16:58

       Is this is him when he was an, uh, elite karate fighter. So this is point fighting. This is what it looks like. It's really weird, because the judges make decisions after each contact, but, a-

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       This is against Raymond Daniels here.

   27. BEBrandon Epstein17:10

       This is Raymond Daniels, who's also, uh, he was an elite point fighter who then went on and had big success in Glory, and also big success in Bellator. Because of that style. It's like a nutty style. He pulled off one of the greatest... Raymond Daniels pulled off one of the greatest KOs I've ever seen in my life in kickboxing. It was a jumping sidekick that, in mid-air, he turned into a spinning back kick to the face.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       Psh.

   29. BEBrandon Epstein17:36

       It's, I've, I've done it to a bag before.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:38

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   I don't think you…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      you know, millions of people read his book, and then such a small percentage of people can kind of replicate that example he's setting?

   2. BEBrandon Epstein30:06

      I don't think you wanna replicate it. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Not to his degree-

   4. BEBrandon Epstein30:09

      Just saying.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      ... but to any degree, right?

   6. BEBrandon Epstein30:10

      Yeah, I think it-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Just exercise three times a week.

   8. BEBrandon Epstein30:13

      It definitely moves your... What your water line is.... right? It moves what you expect out of yourself. Moves that up a few notches. 'Cause you know a guy like that's out there. If you didn't think a guy like that's out there, and you worked out at the Y three days a week and no one else did, you'd probably be impressed with yourself. You know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      Yeah.

   10. BEBrandon Epstein30:28

       I'm at that fucking Y three days a week using the Nautilus machine. You know? (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       Yeah.

   12. BEBrandon Epstein30:33

       It's all in who you're comparing yourself to.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Yeah.

   14. BEBrandon Epstein30:35

       And, you know, obviously I can't compare to David Goggins. But when I s- when I know that a guy like that is out there in the world, it raises my own personal standard up a notch. I don't ever, I'm never gonna hit where, what he does. I don't have the time. He's working out four or five hours every day.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       Yeah.

   16. BEBrandon Epstein30:50

       It's crazy. I don't have that commitment either. It's not what I'm interested in. But him doing that has, like, raised mine. When I look at, like, Jocko's Instagram and every day it says 4:30 on his Timex. He, like, shows his-

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Mm-hmm.

   18. BEBrandon Epstein31:04

       ... you know he's got one of those mer- What is that watch called? What's that watch that he has that everybody wears? That digital Timex watch. It's, it's a famous classic. Ironman? That's it, right? Is the Ironman.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

   20. BEBrandon Epstein31:19

       Yeah. This fucking bulletproof watch. Of course that's what he wears. Like, 4:09 AM. That's when he gets up to work out.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       Yeah.

   22. BEBrandon Epstein31:25

       Every day.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       But guys like that, guys like you, you guys are dogs. Right? You want it. You get inspired by that. Some people, they just feel deflated when they see that level.

   24. BEBrandon Epstein31:34

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       Right? They're just like, "Oh, God." That's-

   26. BEBrandon Epstein31:36

       No, man. You gotta embrace it. It's defl-

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       You've got to, but-

   28. BEBrandon Epstein31:39

       It is inf- deflating because you're so far from the finish line. It's deflating, you know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       But that's why there, there are fundamental ways to actually build belief within yourself.

   30. BEBrandon Epstein31:49

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Like I have so many of these, right? It might be like someone has like, uh, a hamstring that just nagging, right?

   2. BEBrandon Epstein45:05

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      A lot of athletes, like, "Ah, I popped my hamstring, it just won't feel normal again." Right?

   4. BEBrandon Epstein45:10

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Like, I look that type of stuff up. It's like, "All right. Well, why isn't this going away?" Or I work with, like, pitchers in Major League Baseball, it's like, "My hip." It's like, "Well, why are, why is this coming up now?" And usually there's always, like, some kind of root, and if we can get to it, we can relieve it.

   6. BEBrandon Epstein45:24

      I bet there's a lot of guys too that have, if you think about making a living with your body, you make a living in a sport with your body where you're putting your body through explosive movements that could blow joints out, so there's always this anxiety-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      Yes.

   8. BEBrandon Epstein45:36

      ... it all could go away.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:38

      Yes.

   10. BEBrandon Epstein45:38

       One twist of the ankle, one blowout, I mean, look at the people all the time lose their careers in football and in martial arts because they blow a knee out or they blow their back apart.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Bro, there's only like 10 core beliefs that create fear in athletes that I've seen. Like there's not that many. And one of them is the one you're pointing out right now is like-

   12. BEBrandon Epstein45:58

       Life changing injuries.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       ... will I be able to sustain it?

   14. BEBrandon Epstein46:00

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       You know, the core is like, will I be able to sustain this or will I be able to continue to do the thing that I love?

   16. BEBrandon Epstein46:04

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       And of course, like, yeah, if you get injured then you're gonna lose it all.

   18. BEBrandon Epstein46:08

       Did you ever talk to Weidman after he broke his leg?

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       I did.

   20. BEBrandon Epstein46:11

       Did you?

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       I did, yeah. Yeah.

   22. BEBrandon Epstein46:13

       Does he openly talk about that? Are we allowed to talk about this?

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       Yeah. I mean, he gave me a, a testimonial, so I think he's-

   24. BEBrandon Epstein46:18

       Okay.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       ... he's pretty open, like-

   26. BEBrandon Epstein46:20

       He gave it like a d- like online so you could talk about it 'cause-

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       Yeah, yeah. He put like a video testimony. I'm gonna go-

   28. BEBrandon Epstein46:23

       He's one of the toughest guys that's ever fought in the UFC. He's an animal. And that guy in his prime was fucking terrifying.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Yeah.

   30. BEBrandon Epstein46:31

       But that injury that he got is one of the absolute hardest injuries to recover from. That broken leg, when they break their shin in half like that, very few people ever come back.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:08:17

   Drink one bottle instead…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      like, small steps you have to take-

   2. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:02

      Drink one bottle instead of three, is that what you're saying?

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      Like, you know, the tiny bottles. Come on, man.

   4. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:05

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      You know what I'm saying? Like, this is like-

   6. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:06

      If you're drinking vodka in the morning, like, you've got bigger problems.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Bro, I've, I've had clients who are, like, you know, high-level executives that are so stressed that they drink first thing in the morning. I've had, and I've helped them-

   8. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:16

      Oh, God.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      ... get off it completely, but it starts-

   10. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:18

       Hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       ... with something like that, of like, all right...

   12. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:20

       Well, that's a big duh, right? But what I'm getting at is, I think if you want to have less anxiety, you gotta wring some of it outta your physical body as well, and that'll help you achieve clarity. You have to think about it like an, like a nutrient that you're taking or brushing your teeth or doing some, take your medication. You have to really think about it like that. And it doesn't matter what kinda stuff you do. It doesn't matter, whatever you like to do. If you like to do yoga, you wanna go hike with a weight vest on, you wanna do push-ups in the, a parking lot, like, w- do whatever, do something.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       I couldn't agree more.

   14. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:51

       You just have to do something where you push yourself, 'cause if you don't, your body stores up, it seems-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Yes.

   16. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:57

       ... like, all this anxiety.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       Yes.

   18. BEBrandon Epstein1:00:59

       And the reason why I believe this, one of the reasons why I believe this is like, I...... I've had some of, like, the best mindsets ever in my life after yoga classes and long stretching sessions-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       Yes.

   20. BEBrandon Epstein1:01:12

       ... where I, uh, I'm working on something, and I'm just like, "You know what? I'm gonna stretch out here." And I'll just sit and stretch for an hour and a half, two hours. And when I get up, I feel wonderful. I feel like the world is beautiful. I wanna hug people. I feel so peaceful. I love doing that, like, right before I do standup. It's, like, one of my favorite things, is to really stretch out right before I do standup. And I just feel so relaxed. It's so diff- So, you're carrying around actual physical tension-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       Yes.

   22. BEBrandon Epstein1:01:40

       ... that affects your mind. That's why I think, regardless of the tools that you use-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

       All of it.

   24. BEBrandon Epstein1:01:45

       ... in term-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

       All of it.

   26. BEBrandon Epstein1:01:45

       Yes, all of it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       I'm all of it.

   28. BEBrandon Epstein1:01:47

       Like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

       That's why I'm not just mental performance.

   30. BEBrandon Epstein1:01:49

       Yeah.

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