Joe Rogan Experience #2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) So what did you think about the whole UFO thing before you got into office?

Anna Paulina Luna 0:15 Um, so I actually had, when I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an air field manager, so I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. (smacks lips) And so, um, there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the Guard. And I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it and I was like, "What was that?" And they're like, "Eh, we can't really talk about it." And no one really wanted to address it. And so from what I'd gathered, that had been likely a UAP. Um, and so that kind of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in the generation of The X-Files and, you know, I don't know if you remember 94 Independence Day. So like for me specifically, I didn't look at it with like a crazy lens and perspective. I'm like, you know, you, you never know if, you know, we're the only ones out there essentially.

Joe Rogan 1:03 But why did you assume that if it's a top secret incursion that he couldn't talk about, that it wasn't just a military craft from another country?

Anna Paulina Luna 1:09 Because of the way that he was discussing it.

Joe Rogan 1:10 How did he... What did he say?

Anna Paulina Luna 1:11 So he had been, um, (smacks lips) he, he didn't wanna, from what I gather, get taken off flight status, and he's like, "I really can't discuss it." Um, we couldn't really, like, identify it essentially. And it had outperformed them. And so that was my first, from a military perspective, kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community, um, do you want to lose your security clearance? Um, what... You know, is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career.

Joe Rogan 1:43 But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet?

Anna Paulina Luna 1:45 Well, at the time, right? So it was an old- an older platform, but-

Joe Rogan 1:49 Mm-hmm.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:49 ... he really w- didn't wanna even talk about it. And I bring that up because now with our investigation and the task force that I run, actually the reason why the task force was formed was because of a, uh, event that happened at Eglin Air Force Base, where both myself, Representative Matt Gaetz, and Representative Tim Burchett actually had responded and gone to investigate mult- multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred, and they were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up.

Joe Rogan 2:17 Interesting.

Anna Paulina Luna 2:18 Yeah. So that was... That and like, I'm happy to go into detail on that one, but what I will tell you is the stuff that I saw at Eglin, how the military responded, me being, uh, you know, a former service member and then ultimately what I saw with the t- the pushback of the military not even wanting to share with Congress information, which is a big problem. Because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people, the oversight body, and you're being denied access, not just from a base commander, but high level up at the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense, it's a problem.

Joe Rogan 2:46 (smacks lips) Do you think that it's possible that these are US vehicles that are top secret?

Anna Paulina Luna 2:52 I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the US government has. And I think that that i- that tech can be housed within the defense contract around- realm, and of course some information's gonna be classified. But I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy, but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, okay, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out there with that we don't have the ability to reproduce. Because it would basically be like dropping a cellphone, a cellphone, right, off back during the time of m- maybe cavemans. So like we just don't have the tech to develop it yet. What I can also tell you is based on our interviews, and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually able, able to ask some of the witnesses, you know, "What are these things?" And they keep saying interdimensional, and then when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of, you know, are these things preexisting, maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension, um, that stuff can kind of all sound crazy. But at the end of the day, you know, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately from a congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government, I mean, there's budgetary issues. But there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently.

Joe Rogan 4:12 So when you say that it, it operates outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying? Like what, what happened?

Anna Paulina Luna 4:20 (smacks lips) To, to, I guess break it down in simple terms is that I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have, these energy things have, um, can-

Joe Rogan 4:31 Energy things?

Anna Paulina Luna 4:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:33 What do you mean?

Anna Paulina Luna 4:33 Well, they call them inter, interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have. And that's not something that I came up with on my own. That's based on stuff that we've seen, that's based on information that we've, uh, been told. And then also too, I think that there's this historical aspect of, you know, this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion and, and I think the history that we currently know. And, and that kind of spins off into another topic of, you know, you have the modern day Bible, you have this aspect of Bibles that, or, uh, books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these topics. And I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a, um, a vast amount of q- information that we have access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the internet. And so it's really changing the way that we understand, you know, the origins of life and, and the spiritual reality that we know currently.

Joe Rogan 5:30 When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are interdimensional beings. How do they know that?

Anna Paulina Luna 5:36 (smacks lips) That... So, um, based on testimony would be based on witnesses that had come forward. But what I can tell you is I've-

Joe Rogan 5:45 So the witnesses just were told that they were interdimensional?

Anna Paulina Luna 5:47 No, no, that they've, that they've seen things. And what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations, um, is that there have been incidences that I believe where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space.

Joe Rogan 6:07 That's very vague. (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 6:09 Yeah, so... Look-

Joe Rogan 6:10 Unfortunately.

Anna Paulina Luna 6:11 Yeah, yeah. Look, um, have I seen a portal open? No. Have I seen a spaceship personally? No. Have I seen evidence of this? Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes. Is there historical significance to this? Yes. Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have documented this in text? Yes. So do I believe that the government has access to certain technology? Yes, to an extent. And I believe that certain contractors potentially have back engineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing. But I also believe that this is a dangerous level of hidden information from the American people, because if you have an aspect of the federal government, which I can tell you, I ha- with two other members of Congress, were denied access to information at Eglin Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers because of the fact... And we can get into that story on what happened at Eglin in a second, but we were di- denied access and told that we don't have security clearance or the read-in authority on a special access program. That's a problem because I'm supposed to represent and be an investigative body, and you have then people who are unelected that are operating basically in secrecy. Um, and, and that's a problem. That's a big problem.

Joe Rogan 7:33 And so how do these people have the authority to do that?

Anna Paulina Luna 7:37 I think it's been decades of classified secret information, then also this aspect of the intelligence community that's been empowered. And it's kind of serendipitous with timing because when you talk about the intelligence communities and what they've done essentially to the trust in this country with the American people, I think this goes all the way back even into JFK, um, with how they basically have operated outside of the purview of Congress. And, and basically to an extent have gone rogue up until recently. You're seeing a big push and pull to try to rein in these intelligence agencies currently.

Joe Rogan 8:11 Yeah. So what... I wanna bring it back to evidence. You said that you've seen evidence. Like what kind of evidence have you seen?

Anna Paulina Luna 8:18 I have seen photos, I have seen, um-

Joe Rogan 8:22 What have you seen photos of?

Anna Paulina Luna 8:24 So I was in a skiff, and I can't discuss all that was in a skiff, but what I can tell you is based on the photos that I've seen, I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Phew. It seems crazy that people have access to information that shows that there's something outside of us that is more intelligent, at least more capable than we are, and they hide it from everybody else.

Anna Paulina Luna 8:50 What I can tell you is that when you have thousands upon thousands of people around the planet throughout time that have reported something-

Joe Rogan 8:58 Right.

Anna Paulina Luna 8:59 ... to say that those people are crazy, to say that, you know, the whole concept of even just asking the question that you might not necessarily be psychologically sound, that in itself, you know, that's a disinformation campaign-

Joe Rogan 9:10 Yes.

Anna Paulina Luna 9:10 ... to get people to shut up about it. And that's, that's a problem. We know that the US government has not exactly been clean in a lot of what they've done with the American people, specifically to the topic of UFOs, you had-

Joe Rogan 9:21 Which makes you think that it's probably because there's something there. If you think about the motivation they had with P- Project Blue Book-

Anna Paulina Luna 9:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:29 ... when J. Allen Hynek was running Project Blue Book, this specific intention was to discredit all stories.

Anna Paulina Luna 9:35 And he ended up ultimately though-

Joe Rogan 9:36 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 9:36 ... after all of his investigations becoming someone that was like, "Ah, I think there's something to it." But th- that's true. Um, by the way, a lot of people might not necessarily go onto Google and look up that information, but you can actually look up the declassified reports from Project Blue Book. What's also interesting though is when we're talking about tech, right? The ability for this tech being that it exists to change dependence for entire governments on things like fossil fuel, et cetera. You know, it's, um... Look, I think everyone has a moral obligation to do what they think is right. Okay? And so if you're in a position of power and you see something wrong and you're not addressing it, I think, you know, this in itself, getting the truth out there for people to decide for themselves. I'm not telling you what to believe. I'm just telling you in our investigations and what we are pushing for in regards to transparency. I would like to see the federal government roll out some of the stuff that we've been given access to, because I think that that information belongs in the hands of the American people. And it's not even just the US government. I mean, there's other countries around the world that have done certain things like this. Now, look, I've had a lot of crazy people show up at my office and say, "You know, I..." Like "I've heard it all."

Joe Rogan 10:45 Been to Mars.

Anna Paulina Luna 10:45 Yeah, "I've been to Mars."

Joe Rogan 10:46 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 10:46 Um, you know, "I have a chip in my bra- brain," all this stuff.

Joe Rogan 10:48 Oh, yeah. They all have chips.

Anna Paulina Luna 10:49 We had this one guy that showed up that was like trying to give us a USB. He's like, "Put this in your computer or they're gonna kill me for this."

Joe Rogan 10:54 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 10:54 And like runs away. And I'm like, "I'm not putting that in my computer."

Joe Rogan 10:57 (laughs) Mm-hmm.

Anna Paulina Luna 10:58 But based on our investigations, what I will tell you is, you know, there's been, um, two members of Congress that are actually helping to lead out these investigations with me. And the reason I say that is because up until last Congress, if you even said the word UAP or UFO, people actually told us that if we went forward with these investigations, that we were gonna ruin our political careers. And so, you know, we're in the mindset of, "Well, like why wouldn't we ask these questions?" And also too, if no one wants to touch it, like there has to be something here, right?

Joe Rogan 11:25 Right.

Anna Paulina Luna 11:25 And so in these investigations, I mean, the amount of people that will come up to us, very successful people, to multiple members of Congress that believe the same thing, it's definitely changed in regards to the stigma that used to exist about disclosure and all this.

Joe Rogan 11:39 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 11:40 And so what we're trying to do currently was... There's a big documentary that was filmed about a year and a half ago, and we're trying to get a screening up on Capitol Hill. But look, I, I think a lot of people say, "Well, this is a distraction from everything else happening in the country right now." And all I'm simply trying to say is, it's not a distraction. The people that are kind of helping to divulge all this information, you have an intelligence community, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, Ratcliffe, Kash Patel, they're, they have been...... truly, in regards to our other investigations, extremely transparent and wanting to get this information out. But it doesn't mean that within these intelligence communities, there isn't pushback. And so, part of the reason why the task force was formed pertaining to things like UAP, pertaining to things like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, pertaining to things like, um, the JFK, MLK, and RFK investigations is because even though we don't hold declassification authority, what we're trying to do is push these agencies and be, if you will, the pit bull and the attack dog on trying to get this information released. And to a lot of these agencies' credits, they've been extremely transparent and we have gotten one specifically on the JFK stuff, and we're still looking to declassify and ask specifically on the UAP topic.

Joe Rogan 12:43 What would be the rationale for keeping a photograph of a known ab- a- absolute not of this world craft from the American people or from the world? Why, why would anybody think that that would be the smart thing to do is to limit the access of that information to a very small amount of people?

Anna Paulina Luna 13:02 I think that part of the fear is, is that you have advisors that think that, you know, um, the American people or humanity might not be able to handle it cr- There's this, like-

Joe Rogan 13:12 Mm-hmm.

Anna Paulina Luna 13:13 ... protective complex. But then also too, I think when you are talking about these things, for a lot of people, I think that it kind of can rock your world a little bit in regards to where you stand in a faith perspective and then also too, um, an aspect of, well, how do you even begin to explain it? And all I'm gonna say is, look, um, and we can go into some of the books that were remov- removed from what we know as the modern day Bible, but I read through the Book of Enoch multiple times, and I'm not saying that these things are angels, okay? That's, that's not at all what I'm saying. But what I am saying is that depending on where you are in regards to your whole perspective on whether or not God exists, like, I believe in God, I'm a Christian. Um, there has to have been, and there's admissions that there was other creations that God made, but that we were the most prized creation. And so, I think that this can open up a bigger topic of discussion. What I will say is that what's been interesting is, and I've had a, a mass array of people that have come in, right? Like, we have people that come in that claim that you can use this ability to basically dog whistle these things in from a, like a psychic ability.

Joe Rogan 14:26 Yeah, I've heard people say that.

Anna Paulina Luna 14:27 And I think that there's some- something there, otherwise they wouldn't necessarily be able to provide some of the video evidence that they have. But then that also brings up the question of if these things are interdimensional, which we've had witnesses testify to to members of Congress, and that was all publicly out there, um, that would then bring up the whole, well, if this is really transcending dimension, the power of what you say, thought, all of that, and then, you know, you can look into our own government's declassified documents that the CIA had on different experiments. I mean, you can literally at ... The last week, I was going through, actually on a Friday night, I'd just put my son down, and I was going through some of the declassified. You go to cia.gov/readingroom and you can see all the declassified documents. And so, I b- I believe it was called Stargate, and it was talking about, you know, the basically psychological experiments where they were trying to basically remote view and all that. Why would our own government be looking into that if, if there wasn't something there? And so, I'm- I'm appreciative to all that information being publicly out there, but I think this whole idea and stigma of trying to make it sound crazy when people actually have these questions, that needs to stop, which is why the task force is in existence. And then also too, they need to release information.

Joe Rogan 15:38 Um, if I was gonna play devil's advocate, I would say that the government would look into that to find out if there's anything there, and that would probably take a long time if they're really being careful. So, if I was gonna fund a program, if someone told me that there's some people in Russia that can remote view military sites in America, I'd be like, "Are you sure?" And they're like, "Yeah, yeah. There's a technique involved, and we know the technique."

Anna Paulina Luna 15:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:59 Uh, "And we wanna fund some sort of a study to see if we can do it." I'm like, "Let's go. What do you need?" 'Cause if, maybe it's real. So, I don't buy that they wouldn't spend money on it unless it's real. I say they would spend money on it-

Anna Paulina Luna 16:13 They for sure look into it.

Joe Rogan 16:13 ... to find out. If, if you're really looking out for national security, right? You've got 300 and plus million people that you're responsible for, you gotta dot your i's and cross your t's. And like, if, if, if I'm, you know, uh, if I'm good at my job and I'm not an egomaniac, I'm gonna go, "Maybe there's some shit I don't know."

Anna Paulina Luna 16:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:33 You know?

Anna Paulina Luna 16:33 Well, there's- there's looking into it and then there's expanding, right? And so if you look at all those declassified files, you know, you can pull up, and this is just wild, but there's one where I was looking through and they had basically, you know, the Coast Guard had called in. There was a ship that they had been given information on that was running drugs. And so they called in one of their remote viewers and they're trying to give coordinates, coordi- uh, coordinates of the ship and actually, like, basically locate these things. And actually I was laughing because I was reading this off the website and I'm telling my husband, I'm like, "Imagine, you know, you're trying to run drugs and then all of a sudden you have some like weirdo at Langley." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:06 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 17:06 Or like in a basement and they're like, "Nope, just like doo, doo, doo."

Joe Rogan 17:09 Dude.

Anna Paulina Luna 17:09 "Here's the coordinates, you know, beam me up, Scotty," but ...

Joe Rogan 17:11 Yeah, I don't know if they write things down or type them out or what, but I talked to Hal Puthoff about it and he said they used it to s- to very specifically find the location of a downed Russian craft within like a couple kilometers, which is nuts. If you think about the area where this thing crashed-

Anna Paulina Luna 17:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:27 ... it's like remote wilderness, the middle of nowhere. Russia hadn't found it yet, and apparently we found it first, according to Hal Puthoff. It's just because I haven't done it and because I don't know that it's real doesn't mean it's not real. And that's, this is a problem with people that they, they don't wanna get duped and they don't wanna look stupid. They wanna, don't wanna look naive, and so they dismiss things. They dismiss that there's, there might be frequencies that you don't tune into all the time and someone might get really good at that and they might be able to see things remotely. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. I think we can all agree that eating highly processed food for every meal isn't optimal. So, why is processed food the status quo for dog food? Because that's what kibble is, an ultra-processed food.But a healthy alternative exists, The Farmer's Dog. They make fresh food for dogs. And what does it look like? Real meat and vegetables that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients and help avoid any of the bad stuff that comes with ultra processing. And it's not just random ingredients thrown together. Their food is formulated by on-staff board certified vet nutritionists. These people are experts on dog nutrition and they're all in on fresh food. The Farmer's Dog also does something unique. They portion out the food to your dog's nutritional needs. This ensures that you don't overfeed them, making weight management easy. Research shows that dogs kept at a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer. Head to thefarmersdog.com/rogan to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. This offer is for new customers only.

Anna Paulina Luna 19:09 Well, I think that this gets into the bigger discussion of what do we know, right? Going back to some of these books that were moved. Um, there's a good podcast right now called The Autistic Tapes, and it talks about how some non-speaking or non-verbal autistic kids actually are exhibiting, um, telepath-

Joe Rogan 19:25 You mean the Telepathy Tapes?

Anna Paulina Luna 19:26 Yeah. They're the t- Yeah, sorry, the Telepathy Tapes.

Joe Rogan 19:28 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 19:28 Non-verbal autistic kids are exhibiting telepathy. You know, this concept, again, if you were to talk about it 20 years ago, people would call you crazy. But, you know, I think based on what we're seeing now, based on the fact that our own government's looked into it, um, based on the stuff that you were saying, I mean, you can find all this information publicly available and it's out there. And, and I think that there's something to it. And so, you know, we're seeing, and we've heard this is in non-classified settings, we've heard from people that have come forward that are saying, "You know, we're being able to, via meditation, we're be- essentially like downloading information and we can communicate with these things." Granted, you know, when I'm sitting in my congressional office and I'm hearing this, I take it with a grain of salt because we do get a lot of crazy people. But when you have people that are high level executives, very successful, clean cut, not on drugs, they're coming in and they're telling you this stuff. And then, you know, you're kind of cross-refering- cross-referencing it with various people in intelligence agencies, I just, I think that there's something there we need to be at least open to hearing the discussion and the argument for these things.

Joe Rogan 20:30 Oh, for sure. I mean, like I said, if there's a photo out there, I think you owe humanity a service. You, you're supposed to release that photograph. Like, there's no reason why a small group of people in the government should have photo conclusive evidence that aliens are real.

Anna Paulina Luna 20:46 And there's a-

Joe Rogan 20:46 That's crazy.

Anna Paulina Luna 20:47 W- And there's an overclassification aspect of this too, right? Like, if you're serving in the military and you're taking a photo on your personal device or a video on your personal device, that shouldn't be the purview of the federal government. And either which way, I mean, there's been now so much stuff... There's, granted there's been a lot of fake stuff put out there.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Right.

Anna Paulina Luna 21:03 But the stuff that is legitimate that we are seeing, the stuff that we had people testify to in our congressional hearings, I mean, that's not a joke. And what's even more interesting to this is that I was actually able ta- to talk to David Grusch, who now is actually working with the task force to kind of chase down a lot of these leads in regards to some of these contractors that allegedly have this tech, right? So in talking with him, um, again, not in a SCIF, we were able to actually flush out that prior to him testifying that he actually received very real threats against his life and his wife, his wife's life. Um, he's a sound guy. And then shortly after he testified, this was, there was this massive smear operation that was launched against him to try to discredit his testimony. And so, you know, again, going into, well, if this stuff wasn't real or if he wasn't telling the truth, why would there be this massively orchestrated effort to, you know, um, completely just disprove what he was trying to say or to discredit his actions and his testimony? And so it is kind of coming full circle, right? Going back to what the task force has been able to find out. I mean, we're conducting these investigations simultaneously, and we're doing this in addition to everything that we, um, to everything else that we have to do as members of Congress, right? So although I would love to just dedicate my full time and attention to this, we still have to balance it out. And so I've again had some great investigators who are working with us on oversight, as well as a lot of cooperation from the intelligence agencies. And we are going to be asking for this information to de- be declassified, at least information that has been showed to us.

Joe Rogan 22:34 I think the first break in the wall was that 2017 New York Times report where they were talking about it in logical, sensible language that these things might be from another world. But I think that movie that you're discussing, which is The Age of Disclosure, right?

Anna Paulina Luna 22:51 Yeah. I haven't seen it. Have you seen it?

Joe Rogan 22:52 It's very good.

Anna Paulina Luna 22:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:53 It's very good. It's very good and it, it doesn't even have any like UFO footage. I mean, maybe like a little bit, but, but-

Anna Paulina Luna 22:58 It's just testimony?

Joe Rogan 22:59 It's just testimony. And at the end of it, you kind of draw this conclusion like, "Oh, this makes sense."

Anna Paulina Luna 23:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Like this, what they're essentially saying is one of the problems is if they have been funding these secret programs, then for all these years they've been misappropriating money.

Anna Paulina Luna 23:14 Oh yeah. And they've been lying to Congress.

Joe Rogan 23:16 And they've been lying to Congress. And that's-

Anna Paulina Luna 23:17 Jinx.

Joe Rogan 23:17 ... super illegal. (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 23:19 (laughs) Very illegal but you know it's like-

Joe Rogan 23:20 It's super illegal.

Anna Paulina Luna 23:20 ... is Congress gonna do anything about it? 'Cause it's not the first time. Like we have the abil- And this is the most frustrating thing. So as a f- This is my second term in Congress now, but as a first term member of Congress, you know, when you, Joe, when you get elected to Congress, you would think that they would bring you in and they'd say, "Okay, this is how you do the legislation." No. You get elected, you show up to kind of a crash course for about like a week and a half on, you know, how to not get in trouble with ethics. And then you're basically wined and dined by lobbyists. They don't actually tell you how to do the legislation. Basically, the only rules that you're told are never vote down a rule, which is a procedural motion to bring legislation to the floor, and don't really ever vote against your party. Of which within the first week I broke both rules and so I was on the naughty list-

Joe Rogan 23:58 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 23:59 ... (laughs) um, per usual. But the thing is, is that-

Joe Rogan 24:00 They tell you how to do it. That's kind of crazy.

Anna Paulina Luna 24:03 Well they tell you basically those are the two ru- two rules and, and don't go against that and you'll, you won't have any issues.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Those are big ass rules though.

Anna Paulina Luna 24:09 Yeah. 'Cause it's like, you know, you're supposed to represent your constituency.

Joe Rogan 24:12 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 24:12 So if you have people calling your office saying, "Don't, you need to vote for this," and then you vote against it, it's like people-

Joe Rogan 24:16 Right.

Anna Paulina Luna 24:16 ... forget that you're supposed to represent, right? Representative instead of just do what the party wants. But you know, there is, there are mechanisms that have existed-... since Thomas Jefferson, who wrote our damn rule manual that enable us to actually pass legislation and actually hold agencies and people accountable from a punitive perspective. And, um, I don't know if you were tracking, but, like, I brought a vote on the former attor- Attorney General for basically refusing to testify to Congress and respond to a subpoena, and that was called inherent contempt. And a lot of congress was like, "What the hell's inherent contempt?" It hadn't been done since the early 1900s and I actually read it in the rule manual, and I read the rule manual twice. It's, like, so crazy what happens when you read books, but we were able to find this out and it was a mechanism that Congress can use to actually basically send the Sergeant-at-Arms to go arrest people.

Joe Rogan 25:06 Geez. Okay, so... One of the things that this documentary was calling for that I think is the only logical way to solve this, is a mass amnesty for these people that misappropriated money and-

Anna Paulina Luna 25:21 Or whistleblowers.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Or whistleblowers. Well, the whi- the whistleblowers thing is crazy, like they... Leave 'em alone. Like, come on, y- of course... Everybody should fucking know this stuff, guys. The ra- the real crime is you keeping this secret from humanity. That's the real crime, okay? You- the other stuff is horseshit. It's just interpretations of what you're writing down on paper. You're making up r- rules.

Anna Paulina Luna 25:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:42 But if you ask the general public how they feel this should go, a rational, normal person-

Anna Paulina Luna 25:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:48 ... would say there's no fucking way the defense contractor should be the only people who know-

Anna Paulina Luna 25:53 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 25:53 ... that we're not alone. Fuck you.

Anna Paulina Luna 25:55 Especially when we're-

Joe Rogan 25:56 That's crazy.

Anna Paulina Luna 25:56 ... facing a massive deficit and you see that they're like, "The Pentagon hasn't been able to pass the audit and I don't know how many-" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:01 Yeah, all that stuff is great-

Anna Paulina Luna 26:02 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 26:02 ... but just for humanity, just for humanity, that is a giant piece of information that no one should have. No one should secretly keep information that would change our entire perspective on our existence.

Anna Paulina Luna 26:18 It's- it's, um, definitely wrong that it's happening, for sure. What I will tell you, though, is the issue that we have with bringing forward legislation that would give mass amnesty and pardon to these people is that there are people within the intelligence community and within Congress, on both sides, that will try to, if you come forward with this, and I'll tell you a very prime example of this in a moment, that they will block it, they don't want it to pass, they will stop it from even coming to the floor. They won't bring legislation that will address it because

Anna Paulina Luna 26:49 they want to keep this information secret. So, repr- uh, Representative Tim Burchett, before-

Joe Rogan 26:53 But why do they wanna keep the information secret?

Anna Paulina Luna 26:55 Because I think that their mouthpiece is in control of the deep state, and that, that's a thing, a- and it exists on both sides, okay?

Joe Rogan 27:01 So someone will come to them with marching point-

Anna Paulina Luna 27:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:03 ... marching orders.

Anna Paulina Luna 27:04 100%. Uh, Representative Tim Burchett, before I got elected, was kind of on his own little island, r- in regards to the UAP stuff, and he will himself tell you that, you know, this is 100%, like, a thing, and that these defense contractors and what he believes, you know, the Pentagon not passing all this, all of this, these blocked budget programs. I mean, like, he will tell you, he's, again, been leading out this effort way before I got there. Um, he had a piece of legislation that was supposed to enable the FAA to report and develop a different reporting res- uh, different reporting procedure for UAP stuff and at the time, the chairman of Intel ensured that that legislation was not brought forward, that it was stopped. The piece of legislation that actually passed out of the Senate, it really had no teeth to it, and then Representative Burchett drew a primary challenger that was being backed by the chairman of Intel. And so, you know, when you are touching these t- it's like, you know that meme where you have that stork that's like, "Don't touch this," and then the little foot comes out?

Joe Rogan 27:59 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 27:59 It's kind of (laughs) like what we're doing, and it's not exactly easy because you will take heat from both sides, but there- it has a bit- uh, been a good group that's been assembled that's bicameral, meaning it's both in the House and the Senate, and bipartisan, meaning both Democrats and Republicans are saying like, "Hey, this should actually happen."

Joe Rogan 28:14 Are they publicly talking about not releasing the information or is all this stuff done in secrecy?

Anna Paulina Luna 28:20 It's done behind the scenes.

Joe Rogan 28:22 Because i- if they how to do it publicly, if it- they had announced their position on it publicly, it would be very damaging, I think, to anybody's political career, on the right or the left.

Anna Paulina Luna 28:32 People would be pissed, right? Because-

Joe Rogan 28:34 Well, they're pissed! Well, because I'm pissed, because if- if they've had it for this long, and if they really did recover something as early as 1947... Excuse me (clears throat) .

Anna Paulina Luna 28:47 Well, I can tell you is, um, for us specifically-

Joe Rogan 28:50 (clears throat) .

Anna Paulina Luna 28:50 ... we actually were made aware, some, uh, people had come forward that said that they- they wanted to brief. So about two years ago when all this kicked off, we had requested briefings from AARO, that's in charge of kind of compiling the investigative aspect of UAP stuff. And by the way, from the get-go, I- uh, like, even in talking to AARO, I was like, "This organization is literally a BS organization, they're never gonna tell us anything," and every interaction that we had in the SCIF, I was like, "This is a nothing burger." But then these people came forward and said that they were actually deny- they were told to not brief our group, specifically on this topic, and that it was from, at the time, members of House leadership, but they wouldn't say who. And so I actually went with another member of Congress and confronted multiple people and they all denied denying us access. So it's done behind the scenes. You'll see these random little troll blockages that might pop up, but what I can tell you is that with the new administration, specifically with the FBI, specifically with ODNI, we have gotten transparency to where previously we would have been stonewalled. We were actually, um, b- given briefings. And so what I will tell you is we are going to push for the information that we sought to be out there for the American people to see.

Joe Rogan 29:57 So do you think that the whole idea of disclosure is maybe a multiple step, very s- agonizing, frustratingly slow process, rather than a big dump of all the information that they've had from Roswell, to the, the Aztec one, to this, uh, uh, apparently there's a, a, a whole slew... I don't know if it's Aztec, I forget the name of it. But there was a- another, during that same time period, there was a, a really prominent UFO, uh, recovery thing that was not as publicized as the one in Roswell. The big mistake with the Roswell one was the newspaper printed it.

Anna Paulina Luna 30:35 Well-

Joe Rogan 30:35 And so then they had to backtrack, and then they had to do the press conference where they had like some scattered pieces of a weather balloon that didn't look anything like a UFO.

Anna Paulina Luna 30:43 And then-

Joe Rogan 30:43 And they said, they say, "Sorry."

Anna Paulina Luna 30:44 ... the Air Force was like, "That is nothing" (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 30:45 Yeah, but meanwhile they flew the wreckage to Right Field. They flew the- the wreckage and Truman met them there, supposedly.

Anna Paulina Luna 30:52 Well, I can tell you that in our hearing, we are actually notified, and you can pull this up, um, we were... I think it was, uh...W- one of the witnesses had talked about what had happened at Vandenberg Air Base, where there was this thing that appeared over the base. It actually had multiple blotters reporting on it from phone calls in to law enforcement from, like, hundreds of people. And whatever had appeared over the base was basically bigger than a football field and basically a cube, a red cube, with some weird thing in the center of it. Um, I actually had our witness draw this out. This guy's sober, is a priest, I mean, was a great pilot, and he's talking about all this. And so, you know, you talk about this as if it seems like a sci-fi movie, but based on the evidence that we've seen, I don't have any reason to believe that these people are lying. Based on the evidence that I've seen from our own government, I think that there's something there that the American people deserve to have access to. And so I've been ... This is not just on this topic, but again, in other topics as well, this has been my perspective, is transparency is what builds trust. Other governments have revealed certain information on it. To think that we are the only, you know, life form on this planet or in this galaxy I think is a little bit crazy, given, you know, the fact that I also think God exists and that there's other creations. But then again, you get into this aspect of, you know, why is it that you also have this aspect of, you know, a certain religion that has been very controlled and I think ruled out in a certain aspect. And, you know, when you have certain books that are removed because they don't think that people should have access to this information or know it, you know, why remove a book from a Bible, right?

Joe Rogan 32:20 Was ... Did Wes Huff, did, did he touch on that? Did he talk about that? Are there people that don't believe the Book of Enoch was really a part of the Bible?

Narrator 32:32 I don't remember how, I don't remember how he discussed the missing books.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Yeah, he was-

Narrator 32:36 I think we brought it up, but I don't remember how he answered.

Joe Rogan 32:38 That's the guy to talk to.

Anna Paulina Luna 32:39 Yeah, so what ... From what I gather-

Joe Rogan 32:40 That's the guy to talk to about it. You know what I mean? Because you have to really understand the history of the Bible to, to be able to figure out w- you know, like, what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the New Testament. I had some very erroneous ideas about it until I talked to intelligent people that really, really know the history of it. And it's, it's very strange stuff.

Anna Paulina Luna 32:58 Well, so from, from what I gather, and by, by the way, I'm not a theologian in any capacity, but just from my personal opinion on this. So, you have the Ethiopian Orthodox text, which has, I think, 88 books in the Bo- of the Bible, um, in total. But in the Ethiopian Orthodox text, it's basically kind of like a, a mainline, OG version of the Bible. And then sometime in the fourth century, there was actually a group that came together, and they removed certain books. And, uh, th- The story goes, uh, that Revelations actually had replaced Enoch. And so it's interesting because when you're looking kind of full circle on, you know, you hear the stuff that some of these people are talking about, and then you see and you read the Book of Enoch, which is a wild read, okay? And then you look at kind of what our modern day description is of what angels and entities are versus what Enoch was seeing and reporting in his language and ability at that time. I just ... I think that there's a lot that brings you to then ask the question, well, why would they remove this information? If it's truly, you know, written and, and part of the oldest Bible in the world, why would they then take it out and, and water it down? And I'm not saying that you can't find God through the new Bible, right? Like, everyone's on their own spiritual journey, and I think everyone can pray and you can as- access God. But, um, I just find that very interesting. And so what I will say is that I like to have the whole kind of, um, picture in front of me. And so I feel like to fully understand A through Z, you kind of have to be able to read it.

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Narrator 36:02 The Book of Enoch?

Joe Rogan 36:03 Yeah.

Narrator 36:03 Uh, yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 36:04 Like, why did they re- 'Cause I, I know there was some kind of controversy that Wes Huff described. I just can't remember it.

Narrator 36:10 Yeah, I don't ... Well, I just looked through a transcript real quick. I didn't see you guys discussing Enoch. We were discussing Isaiah and then the Dead Sea Scrolls and stuff like that. I didn't see Enoch discussion.

Joe Rogan 36:19 No, it must have been me privately talking-

Narrator 36:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:21 ... to him about something, uh, another video that I watched. Um, the, the-

Anna Paulina Luna 36:25 But-

Joe Rogan 36:25 The thing about, like, what Wes Huff does that's so interesting is like he, he, he really understands like the history of the text, the language in which they use, the names in which they chose. And when he breaks it all ... One of the things he told us that was the craziest was that the Book of Isaiah was exactly the same in the Dead Sea Scrolls as it was 1,000 years later. They, they-

Anna Paulina Luna 36:47 A direct translation.

Joe Rogan 36:48 ... found one that was 1,000 years older.... and it was direct. It was word for word, verbatim. I'm like, "That's bananas." A thousand-year-old story that's exactly the same, written, uh, that they didn't know there was a version of it a thousand years ago, and then they, they find it in these caves in Qumran.

Anna Paulina Luna 37:04 It's confirmed in texts, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:06 It's nuts. It's really weird.

Anna Paulina Luna 37:08 And I, I mean, the-

Joe Rogan 37:08 It's really, really weird stuff.

Anna Paulina Luna 37:10 And the fact that, uh, this kid, you know, uh, shepherd kid, was able to even find these scrolls, that they were set up and, you know, just-

Joe Rogan 37:15 Uh-huh.

Anna Paulina Luna 37:15 ... his led to that point right in time where he finds this massive, basically admission that the Bible's real. Um, you can actually look into, you know, uh, there's a new King James, and then you can actually look into the Catholic Bible as well that also has, they call them Apocrypha texts, because the King James Bible doesn't acknowledge them, but there also other books that are not, uh, considered, you know, approved by the King James. So, look, I was, um, on my mom's side, I was actually raised Catholic, and then had my catechism, did all of it, and then on my dad's side, I was raised Christian, and then later on, uh, Messianic Jew. And so, I feel like I kind of have like a good cross-section, and I've been exposed to a lot of this growing up. But, um, it's definitely interesting, and so, uh, look, I don't tell people, like, I'm not, I'm not saying that, like, aliens created mankind. I don't believe that, 'cause I, at the end of the day, believe that God is responsible for our creation. But I do think that what we've been programmed to believe in regards to our ability to be able to use our mind, the spiritual aspect of us, really does exist, and I think that once you kind of remove yourself out of this basically rat race, and you can, like, really reconnect with that, I think that that's when you kind of realize, hey, there's a bigger purpose here in life, and, like, what is our end objective? And if you're given a position of influence, or a position of power, and you're not doing the right thing for humanity, you're not guiding people, then that's something that you have to answer for. So, I wanna make sure that I'm good with God.

Joe Rogan 38:34 I hear you.

Anna Paulina Luna 38:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:35 That's a lot. Um, uh, I think th- these stories, especially when you get to stories like Noah and the Ark, that these stories exist in basically every religion. They're real similar. They're real similar. I think all of these people are trying to document a truth.

Anna Paulina Luna 38:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:53 It's just, what is that truth, is what, w- where it gets weird. And when it gets to, like, other gods and giants, and giants created man, and-

Anna Paulina Luna 39:00 Well, Enoch talks about that.

Joe Rogan 39:02 ... and, and have bred with man. Yeah. Oh, I know.

Anna Paulina Luna 39:03 Which is crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:04 I know. It's, it's wild stuff. It's w- if it's legitimate, it's wild stuff. And then, do, do you know anything about the Ethiopian church that supposedly has the Ark of the Covenant in it?

Anna Paulina Luna 39:15 Yeah, I've looked into that. I actually wanted to, and again, um-

Joe Rogan 39:17 But you're w- you're in the government. You can, like, get something done. (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 39:19 Yeah, so I actually wanted to do a CODEL to just get ... but of course, like, we're focusing on other things right now, right?

Joe Rogan 39:24 Sending SEALs. Find that fucking thing.

Anna Paulina Luna 39:25 I was like, I need to pay for this for myself so we're not using taxpayer dollars, but just go check it out. Um, what's interesting is the CIA allegedly located the Ark of the Covenant. I think the, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:34 Remote viewed?

Anna Paulina Luna 39:35 They remote, they remote viewed it.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Oh.

Anna Paulina Luna 39:36 You can actually find that. Uh, you should actually pull it up.

Joe Rogan 39:38 In Ethiopia?

Anna Paulina Luna 39:39 No, not in Ethiopia, but it was in a Middle Eastern country. They weren't able to locate the actual ... I think The New York Post did a article on it, where they actually had the handwritten notes on the Ark of the Covenant location.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Okay.

Anna Paulina Luna 39:47 And they remote viewed it. You should ask them to pull it up.

Joe Rogan 39:50 Hmm.

Anna Paulina Luna 39:50 Yeah. I'm serious about it.

Joe Rogan 39:51 W- Did they go there and see if they were correct?

Anna Paulina Luna 39:52 I don't know if they did. I don't know. This is like Indiana Jones, but ...

Joe Rogan 39:55 What? Decades-old CIA documents on Ark of the Covenant resurface amid classified group text spat. What? (laughs)

Narrator 40:01 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 40:01 Wait, like ... Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:03 It was a, it was a group text argument that caused this stuff to be released?

Anna Paulina Luna 40:06 No, check out, pull up The New York Post one, 'cause they actually have the handwritten notes from the remote viewer that actually, um, documents it.

Joe Rogan 40:12 Okay. (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 40:13 It's, it should be ... I think it's, yeah, like, The New York Post.

Joe Rogan 40:16 That's so funny.

Anna Paulina Luna 40:19 Oh, there we go.

Joe Rogan 40:19 There it is.

Anna Paulina Luna 40:20 Top one. This is wild, because it actually goes into descriptions-

Joe Rogan 40:23 Damn.

Anna Paulina Luna 40:23 ... of angels too. And so, actually, if, so, in Enoch, it talks about ... Well, if you, if you scroll down, now, that's the, you can probably click on the scribed, 'cause it'll show you all the documents from the actual declassified file. This is also on cia.gov.

Joe Rogan 40:35 What year was this?

Anna Paulina Luna 40:36 This happened recently. This was, like, a couple months ago that this just kind of came all out.

Joe Rogan 40:40 Right. But what year was this project? Does it say?

Anna Paulina Luna 40:42 Uh, 1988.

Joe Rogan 40:43 '88.

Anna Paulina Luna 40:44 5 December 1988.

Joe Rogan 40:45 Wow.

Anna Paulina Luna 40:45 So scroll down.

Joe Rogan 40:47 So in '88, they found the Ark of the Covenant?

Anna Paulina Luna 40:49 Allegedly. Allegedly, they remote viewed it. We don't know (laughs) if they've held up on it.

Joe Rogan 40:53 Who was president back then? Reagan?

Anna Paulina Luna 40:55 Go down.

Narrator 40:56 Bush.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Bush?

Anna Paulina Luna 40:57 Senior. Okay, so scroll down, and then you'll see that... So this is like l- they're, so they're going through in the notes. You have to read it. But you can scroll down. This is kind of-

Joe Rogan 41:04 So this is, he's like drawing where it is.

Anna Paulina Luna 41:07 The remote viewer, so you have, like, the different things that are describing it, and if you keep going, you'll see, like, a cherubim ... Keep going.

Joe Rogan 41:14 He's, like, showing the peak of a building.

Anna Paulina Luna 41:15 Oh, wait, wait, sorry. Go up a little bit. So, that's interesting, 'cause if you look into actual ... So, there's like a wheel text. Um, if you look into Enoch's description of angels, and it is equal to, I think, that that's kind of a tithe. But go down more. So, but yeah, you have like the actual... Here. Purpose of container. They should have like a cherubim drawing somewhere down here. Oh, yeah. See, so that would be the seraphim. Um, so it's interesting-

Joe Rogan 41:37 Wait. That would be the what?

Anna Paulina Luna 41:37 The seraph- seraphim. It-

Narrator 41:39 That's how it's opened?

Anna Paulina Luna 41:40 Yeah, so basically, when they, they describe the Ark, and so he's going through describing it. So, these are the hand notes for it, and then it actually says that it's in a Middle Eastern country. Uh, the remote viewer describes the clothing in which individuals are in the area. I feel like I'm describing, like, an Indiana Jones movie.

Joe Rogan 41:54 It sounds like it.

Anna Paulina Luna 41:54 But this is actually from the CIA.

Joe Rogan 41:56 This, this image ... G- scroll back to where that ... What is that thing? Is that the corner of the box?

Anna Paulina Luna 42:01 So, uh, the covenant. Yeah, he's describing, if you go up and these are actually the handwritten notes on what was described by the remote viewer, and you have to go through the entire document. But yeah, that's what's described surrounding the Ark.

Joe Rogan 42:13 Do you know what they asked him to find?

Anna Paulina Luna 42:15 Well, if, yeah, the Ark of the Covenant. You can find a document-

Joe Rogan 42:17 They asked him to go look for the Ark of the Covenant.

Anna Paulina Luna 42:18 Yeah. It's in, if you go higher up in the documents, it's over there.

Joe Rogan 42:20 Right. But if you ask me to go look for the Ark of the Covenant, like, it, it, I know what I'm looking for. Right?

Anna Paulina Luna 42:27 Well-

Joe Rogan 42:27 I, I, I put it in my head.

Anna Paulina Luna 42:27 ... apparently these remote viewers... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:29 ... I draw what I think it's gonna ... Like, show me that they fucking found it. You know what I mean?

Anna Paulina Luna 42:33 I don't, I don't know if they did, but they appeared to try to find it.

Joe Rogan 42:35 I don't know if they did either, but it's like, it's interesting, but it's not as interesting, because you're saying, "Show me the Ark of the Covenant." Right? So he's drawing what we all saw in Indiana Jones.

Anna Paulina Luna 42:43 Or can you locate it? So the descriptions-

Joe Rogan 42:45 Was that the, what year was that? That was before Indiana Jones?

Narrator 42:48 No, that'd have been under the same time period. Like-

Joe Rogan 42:50 When did Indiana Jones come out?What a great movie.

Anna Paulina Luna 42:53 ... the '90s, right?

Joe Rogan 42:55 I don't know. I'm thinking.

Anna Paulina Luna 42:57 And like, the first two are the best. The new ones aren't-

Joe Rogan 42:59 Raiders of the Lost Ark was the first one. That's the one. What year was that?

Anna Paulina Luna 43:03 1981.

Joe Rogan 43:04 Okay.

Narrator 43:04 Yeah. There we go.

Joe Rogan 43:04 So-

Anna Paulina Luna 43:05 Precursor.

Joe Rogan 43:06 So, that's seven years earlier. Everybody saw that movie a hundred times. You know what it looks like. You know what the ark looks like. So, if I tell you, "Go draw me the ark. Where's it at?"

Anna Paulina Luna 43:16 You think that-

Joe Rogan 43:16 All we have is some scribbles on paper, unless they actually went there and found it.

Anna Paulina Luna 43:20 Well, what's interesting... And I, I should probably ask Radcliffe. Like, R- Radcliffe, can you tell me this too? (laughs) I've never looked at an Ark of the Covenant.

Joe Rogan 43:26 What does it say, Jamie? What are you saying, Jamie?

Narrator 43:27 It says the mission is to a- access and describe the target identified by coordinate, and then there's coordinates. The tasking is to see mission statement. Training target is the Ark of the Covenant.

Joe Rogan 43:37 So, they did say, "Go find us the Ark of the Covenant." And then this dude apparently said i- is ig-

Narrator 43:44 It says it's the ability to keep...

Joe Rogan 43:44 ... keep, uh, AOL to a minimum.

Narrator 43:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:46 What is that?

Narrator 43:47 I don't know. I saw that on the paper earlier too.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Uh, "I have to be careful with editing, though this does not seem to be a problem at this time. Just something to watch for. Attained excellent site contact." Okay.

Anna Paulina Luna 43:59 Definitely interesting.

Joe Rogan 44:00 Well, it's weird that they're talking about it like it's a real talent, like some-

Narrator 44:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:04 ... can actually do it.

Anna Paulina Luna 44:05 Well-

Narrator 44:05 This talks about mosq- mosque domes.

Joe Rogan 44:07 Yeah. Target is in a container. This container is in another container. It's, uh, has another container inside of it. The target is fashioned of wood, gold and silver. The target is similar in shape to AOL. Um, so that's that something the v- of location, right? Is that what it means?

Narrator 44:22 Area of location, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:23 Area of lo- Yeah, that's it.

Narrator 44:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Uh, coffin, and it's decorated with the seraphim. See sketch. This target is located somewhere in the Middle East, as the language spoken by individuals present seemed to be Arabic. Well, wouldn't you want someone who could fucking w- decipher Arabic to do this?

Anna Paulina Luna 44:41 We don't know how far it went, and I definitely have questions. But this would not be the first time that a government would have looked for something, especially because people theorize that the Ark of the Covenant had these abilities as a super weapon.

Joe Rogan 44:53 I know, but I'm saying-

Anna Paulina Luna 44:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:53 ... like, the r- remote viewer is limited by his ability to understand the language. Stop. Stop. Scroll back up, please. There, right there. So, eh, it s- somewhere in the Middle East. Visuals of surrounding buildings indicated that the area, eh, uh, the presence of mosque domes. Individuals in the area were clothed in virtually all white, had black hair and dark eyes. One figure I honed in on wore a mustache. The target is hidden underground. Dark and wet were all aspects of the location of the target. See, the, the only problem I ever have with these things is if these places are all controlled by terrorists and it's all, you know, dictators and crazy people over there. If they found out that the ark was there, they would fucking take it.

Anna Paulina Luna 45:35 Well, I think there's this aspect of, if you look at from a biblical perspective, no one would be able to access it anyways because it would be protected, right? That's what the Bible says. Um-

Narrator 45:45 It just says here too, "Cannot be opened until the time is deemed correct."

Joe Rogan 45:48 Oh, Jesus.

Narrator 45:49 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 45:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:50 "Once the time to open the container, the mechanisms of lock systems will be found to be fairly simple. Individuals opening the container by prying or striking are destroyed by the container's protectors."

Anna Paulina Luna 46:03 Well, it's interesting 'cause remember in the Bible, it always talks about how there had to be like a-

Narrator 46:07 Through the use of power unknown to us.

Joe Rogan 46:08 "Through the use of p- of a power unknown to us."

Narrator 46:10 (laughs) They melt you, remember?

Joe Rogan 46:11 Bro, yeah. In the movies.

Anna Paulina Luna 46:12 Well said. They had to, you know, go through this spec- special process of being considered, you know, holy, basically, to access it. So, all that to say that there's something out there, right? I think that obviously God's real and this job has definitely, um, you know, put me in a position to where we're able to help get other truths out there, if you will. And-

Joe Rogan 46:34 You need to get the truth of that thing out there.

Anna Paulina Luna 46:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:36 They need to find out like that-

Anna Paulina Luna 46:37 Dear Director Radcliffe, as you look at the Ark of the Covenant-

Joe Rogan 46:39 Like, do you know how much the world would change if you found the actual Ark of the Covenant and you could explain a lot of things? Like, ex- look, if these Ethiopians have it, which Graham Hancock believes-

Anna Paulina Luna 46:50 Allegedly, they do.

Joe Rogan 46:51 Yeah. Graham Hancock believes that they do. And he said that these guardians, they all get cataracts and they die of like radiation poisoning.

Anna Paulina Luna 46:58 I mean, there's something to be said about the Ethiopian people as a whole, and going back to the Ethiopian Orthodox text. Actually, when I first launched this task force, I actually went and I met with a Ethiopian Orthodox pastor, if you will, just to kind of see and a- explain and ask questions, um, that I can't exactly go to, you know, the Smithsonian and ask. And, you know, his response was interesting, especially from their perspective. You know, you have a lot of this aspect of, I think, religion that tries to be doom and gloom, and then in the Ethiopian perspective, he's like, "First of all, your timeline's wrong." And I'm like, "What do you mean your timeline?" He's like, "Well, the, the biblical text in modern day Christianity, it's g- it's a little bit off, right? So, we use a completely separate, I think it's, uh, 364 days out of the year." And he's explaining all of it. And he is like, "But even then, so, you know, um, we don't have the perspective of, you know, we're in the end of days, et cetera." But, you know, the way... His perspective just seemed very, um, optimistic as opposed to pessimistic and, and filtering and controlling information. All that to say-

Joe Rogan 47:57 He's probably not online.

Anna Paulina Luna 47:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:59 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 48:01 He's off X. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:01 He's off-

Anna Paulina Luna 48:02 He's off X.

Joe Rogan 48:02 ... he's off X.

Narrator 48:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:02 He's off TikTok.

Anna Paulina Luna 48:04 Yeah. He's not subjecting himself there.

Joe Rogan 48:05 Yeah.

Narrator 48:05 The New York Post thing about that says that the viewer was identified with a target and didn't know what it was-

Joe Rogan 48:10 Oh.

Narrator 48:10 ... and it ended up being the Ark of the Covenant after all the explanation they found.

Joe Rogan 48:14 Oh, well, that's much different. So, that whole thing at the end of it was what they were saying it was-

Narrator 48:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:22 ... when they wrote it in that report.

Narrator 48:23 If you look at all the... It's just a bunch of words they're putting together and like-

Joe Rogan 48:25 Got it.

Narrator 48:26 ... hearing how Puthoff talk about it.

Joe Rogan 48:27 Okay.

Narrator 48:28 Like, they're just getting feelings.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Well, that's way more interesting. If he didn't know what he was looking for and he found something that looked like the Ark of the Covenant, that's pretty crazy.

Anna Paulina Luna 48:34 They kind of like talk him on, right, though? Like, give them something and say like, "Walk us through."

Joe Rogan 48:38 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 48:38 Um-

Joe Rogan 48:38 I'm just doing devil's advocate 'cause I have no skin in the game. I don't know if it's real or not real. I'm open to it. I think there's something going on. I think there's so- more, there's more going on with people-

Anna Paulina Luna 48:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:48 ... than we let on. There's some, some extra thing that's happening with, with human beings, the way we're all connected to each other, that we don't really totally understand. And I think the, uh, uh, uh, idea that you can access information that's not local, I don't think that's w-... that weird. I think that might be an emerging aspect of human consciousness, or an aspect of human consciousness that's atrophied.

Anna Paulina Luna 49:12 Or just an aspect of spirituality that we've previously forgotten, because we're in such a digital age that kind of programs you into the rat race. And I think people, the more that they're kind of like, you know, there has to be more to life than just like a nine-to-five.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Mm-hmm.

Anna Paulina Luna 49:24 And, you know, working for this aspect of materialism, like, don't get me wrong, I like, you know, a nice car and a clean house and all that. But, you know, there's also this aspect of, you know, being a human and, like, you know, if you have kids, I think that's, like, one of the things, like, I have... You have a daughter. I have, um, a son, and it's like when you're a parent, it kind of, like, makes you realize like, wow, there's this aspect of, like, love that I didn't know existed before. And you can kind of really be there and help, you know, grow this next human and influence that person. And it just kind of... The human experience is something that, you know, you can make it as special as you want. And this aspect of, you know, us being able to have those little quantum breadcrumbs is what I like to call them. Like, if you ever... Have you ever been, like, talking about something and, like, you'll go somewhere, h- h- hear something, and there's, like, confirmation of what you've been talking about? Or, you know, something happens, and you're like, you know, asking a question, then all of a sudden, it pops up, kind of there's the answer. And I think that those little things just mean you're on the right path and doing what you're supposed to do in this bigger picture.

Joe Rogan 50:18 Yeah. Well, that's a good way to live life if you believe that. That's healthy, smart. Uh, it's like a good strategy. I wonder, like, why some people seem to have, uh... Like, the idea of if it being an emerging aspect of human consciousness, our ability to, like, sense things and know things that are gonna happen or-

Anna Paulina Luna 50:39 Premonition or-

Joe Rogan 50:40 ... or know if someone's a liar or a weirdo-

Anna Paulina Luna 50:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:43 ... like, instantly. Those... I always wonder if... I- is it that, or is it that we used to have that, like, before language that's all we had?

Anna Paulina Luna 50:54 I think that before tech really evolved, there was a bigger aspect of spirituality that actually talks about that. So, like discernment in the Bible, you can talk about, you know, this aspect of being a... People say like, "Oh, if someone has like really bad energy, you picking up on it." There's something to that. Um, but I think that because... And it's really happened, I think, in the last like 40 years where people are kind of forgetting that. But when you actually go back to like, for example, we're talking just now about the Ark of the Covenant, the Ethiopian Orthodox text and all this, there's more of that aspect of spirituality that I think has been removed from society. I think it's actually taken away our ability to really respect one another and, and value human life. And I think that that, you know, from like a Politico perspective influences decision, like you get really pro-war people. Those people are usually not-

Joe Rogan 51:41 Right.

Anna Paulina Luna 51:41 ... that spiritual, and they really don't have a value for life in that aspect.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Yeah. No, th- that's definitely a real thing. That's unfortunate that there, there's a... (sighs) And the fact that those are the type of people that always want to be in power. That's, that's-

Anna Paulina Luna 51:54 They are.

Joe Rogan 51:54 ... that's really scary.

Anna Paulina Luna 51:54 They're the worst type. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:56 That's the, that's probably the scariest part of it.

Anna Paulina Luna 51:58 I have, um... I actually had a really groundbreak- uh, groundbreaking conversation. So, like I... The way I'll describe Congress is, you ever have like a job where 80% of it, 90% of it's just like really eating shit?

Joe Rogan 52:10 Mm-hmm.

Anna Paulina Luna 52:10 And then like the 10% is like really cool?

Joe Rogan 52:12 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 52:13 And it makes up for that like 80, 90% that you're just like, "I-"

Joe Rogan 52:15 That's when I hosted Fear Factor. (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 52:18 Okay. (laughs) Okay. So tha-

Joe Rogan 52:18 Just kidding.

Anna Paulina Luna 52:19 Yeah, that aspect of, um, I, I think really exists in politics if you, like-

Joe Rogan 52:22 Oh, yeah, for sure.

Anna Paulina Luna 52:23 ... actually care. And I had a meeting recently where I was with two other members of Congress that were helping me with the JFK investigation, and we actually met for the first time since 1990 with the ambassador to the Russian government. And I bring that up because at the time of the JFK assassination, the, um, KGB had actually come forward with their own independent investigation, and they actually gave it at Kennedy's funeral to US officials. We never got those documents, and it's my belief that the CIA actually destroyed that information and evidence because it would have confirmed what this, the KGB... And mind you, at the time, JFK was actually in talks with the president of Russia at that time, and his perspective is that he actually wanted to do a joint mission between the US government and the Russian government to the moon. And there are aspects and divisions within the intelligence community. You obviously saw the Cold War was happening. They wanted war in Cuba. They wanted war with Russia. So, for them to be able to say that Kennedy, who was not a communist, but that he was a communist sympathizer, and how dare he talk to these dirty communists? I mean, that in itself would have given them any ammunition to turn a blind eye or, or at least not fully figure out who assassinated Kennedy. Um, but I bring that up to say that, you know, when you have these pe- people in power, you know, you can see a lot of it in regards to... There's a summit on the 15th actually with President Trump and Vladimir Putin. And I think the aspect of, you know, anytime you have peace and trade, it's way better than war for everyone involved, for the people of Ukraine, for Russia, for the American people, and I think for the surrounding regions. Like, I recently got back from meeting with government officials in Romania and Moldova, and it didn't matter if... And I actually met an actual member of the Moldovan government who's a communist, like an outward communist, and it didn't matter who I talked to, everyone wanted peace. And then when we had met with the European Parliament and the EU, some of them wanted peace, but then the countries that had the shittiest economies, excuse my language, they were the ones that were advocating for war. Well, you have a war-based economy, it always helps your economy. So, if you ha- have terrible policy perspectives, obviously you would advocate for something like that. But it just goes to show that the people that are going through it, the people that are living it, that are directly impacted, no one would advocate for war. And so even just having this conversation, you know, a lot of people even, you know, two, two admin- or administration ago, maybe two administrations ago probably would not have had that conversation, but to be able to develop that dialogue, the end result of that meeting was the Russian government agreed to release their investigation onto JFK that the previous congressional task force in the '90s had tried to obtain from the Russian government, and they said no. So, they agreed to release that, and they'll be posting it publicly for the American people to go through later on this fall.

Joe Rogan 55:01 Have you seen it yet?

Anna Paulina Luna 55:02 I haven't.

Joe Rogan 55:03 No.

Anna Paulina Luna 55:03 So, I'll be seeing it at the same time everyone else does.

Joe Rogan 55:05 What do you think is in there if you had to guess?

Anna Paulina Luna 55:07 So, when I was talking to the ambassador, he's actually...... a history buff, too. And so, he had actually said that the Russian government, when, um, Oswald was actually in Russia, had done a psychological profile 'cause they thought, you know, they were like, "Is this guy part of American intelligence? Like, what's his story?" And they thought he was basically nuts, and apparently he had c- he tried to go hunting, um, when he was out there and they were observing him, and he couldn't shoot for shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:32 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 55:32 So, so they're like, you know, "He didn't meet our psychological profile." Then, then he shows up to the Russian Embassy in Mexico City with a gun, and they're like, "What the hell?" There's like crazy guys showing up at them. Like, "What's going on?" Um, and then we find out simultaneously as this is all happening, that the CIA, kudos to Director Radcliff, had actually released something called the Joannides File, and George Joannides was actually, uh, he's basically our version of James Bond, but more corrupt. (laughs) And he was basically observing Oswald. He had lied to Congress. This was all in his file. He was then the CIA liaison to Congress during the investigations, stonewalled their investigations, was later awarded something from the CIA. So we have the CIA admitting that they lied to Congress, covered up the assassination ata- or covered up the, uh, investigations. We had admissions from the Warren Commission, um, uh, people that had been subject to the Warren Commission's investigation saying that the Warren Commission engaged in witness intimidation. They omitted evidence. The single bullet theory never exists. The CIA admits that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a lone gunman. People ask, "Well, you know, does this mean that you'll ever get the name of who killed him?" No, because I don't think the CIA was like, "Kill JFK on this day and use this gun and have this person assigned."

Joe Rogan 56:43 Right.

Anna Paulina Luna 56:43 But there was evidence of multiple shooters, for sure.

Joe Rogan 56:45 Well, there had to be multiple shooters. There's, there was injuries, like one of them was to the front of his neck.

Anna Paulina Luna 56:51 We had testimony to that.

Joe Rogan 56:53 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 56:53 And actually, uh, what's interesting is when we first launched the task force, we had left-leaning news outlets that were trying to write hit pieces saying that I was basically launching a conspiracy theory (laughs) task force. And they had to print the truth weeks ago. You can actually pull out-

Joe Rogan 57:09 Well what is, what is it about people that don't want to believe that some conspiracies are real? What did, what did- is it a comfort thing? Is it you think you're gonna, uh, erode trust in the government? Is it you just have such a rigid worldview and in your mind that there's always been Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, that's what happened, and because of that, anything that challenges your belief system, you fight against?

Anna Paulina Luna 57:34 Well specifically to JFK for decades, the intelligence agencies were influencing what the print and press was doing.

Joe Rogan 57:40 100%.

Anna Paulina Luna 57:41 Now-

Joe Rogan 57:41 And Geraldo Rever- Rivera, you know, when Dick Gregory brought that film on the Geraldo Rivera Show and you got to see the Zapruder film and you got to see what looks like a shot that makes his head go back and to the left.

Anna Paulina Luna 57:53 Yeah, and the reaction.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Which would indicate he got shot from the front. I think he got shot multiple times by multiple shooters from multiple different directions. And I don't think n- necessarily Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't in on it.

Anna Paulina Luna 58:05 Well...

Joe Rogan 58:05 The, and the, here's the problem. People say, "Oh, Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't shoot." You don't have to be that good with a rifle to be, uh, you're, you're on a ledge so you have a secure rest. If your rifle's sighted in, and they said his scope was off, but that doesn't mean shit 'cause you could just drop your scope and it's off.

Anna Paulina Luna 58:22 Well-

Joe Rogan 58:22 Like all you have to do is take your rifle off of that ledge, drop it on the ground, and now that scope is off. You never drop your gun like that.

Anna Paulina Luna 58:29 Well the-

Joe Rogan 58:29 And if you do-

Anna Paulina Luna 58:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:30 ... you can knock your scope off.

Anna Paulina Luna 58:31 Well, there's multiple problems though, 'cause the Warren Commission actually never even put into their report, right, so like if you're conducting a-

Joe Rogan 58:37 No, let me finish. Let me finish.

Anna Paulina Luna 58:39 Yeah, okay.

Joe Rogan 58:39 My, my point is, that wasn't a far shot. It was like, what was it, 140 yards from the Book Depository to- with a, with a scope.

Anna Paulina Luna 58:47 Yeah, and he should've been able to take the shot.

Joe Rogan 58:48 And a rifle with a rest. No, you could kill a guy like that and he could have been the shooter.

Anna Paulina Luna 58:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:53 He could've been one of the shooters. But I think there's too much witness testimony, there's too much evidence, there's too... The whole idea of the magic bullet theory was just 'cause they had to account for all the wounds in the bodies with just three bullets, and they found a guy who got hit in the overpass, uh, in the underpass rather-

Anna Paulina Luna 59:11 Oh, the-

Joe Rogan 59:11 ... he got hit with a ricochet.

Anna Paulina Luna 59:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:12 Yeah. So now they knew that bullet couldn't have hit Kennedy or Connally. So how do you attribute all these wounds to two different guys from multiple gunshots to a single bullet?

Anna Paulina Luna 59:21 Well it's a magic bullet, don't you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:22 You have to find this bullet that fucking for sure didn't hit any bones, and there's more fragments in Connally's wrist than there were missing from the bullet. The bullet looks almost pristine. It looks like they shot it through, li- like feathers or they shot it into water, which is what they do when they do ballistics tests on rifles.

Anna Paulina Luna 59:38 Well what's interesting is, is the Warren Commission did omit multiple female witnesses who were actually at the Book Depository that day that actually stated that they had never, um, witnessed Oswald actually in the location or going down the back of the Book Depository. So, that's interesting facts.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Well it could be pas- yeah, it's possible that he could've snuck past them. There was a lot of chaos. You hear gunshots. The president's shot. People don't always think straight when things are going nutty. People have a terrible memory right after traumatic events.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:00:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 Like, yes and no. Like he might have been there or he might not have been there. He might have shot at Kennedy or he might not at Kennedy. But for sure, he was some sort of government operative.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:00:17 We-

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 For sure he was traveling back and forth from Russia. He married a Russian citizen. There was a lot of weird shit with that guy.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:00:24 He was under surveillance by the CIA.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:00:26 So there's a lot there. However, I will say this. What the official narrative was, we now know is BS, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:00:33 And what-

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Well that I thought from the beginning.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:00:35 Yeah, uh, but, um, a lot of the American people did, but to have their own government say, "No, that's not true," to gaslight them-

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:00:41 ... and to push this narrative of, "If you question it, you're wrong, you're crazy," that in itself I think when you're talking about like why do the American people not trust their government, it's really this fracture that starts around the Kennedy era in timeframe. And you can see then that distrust kind of evolves. But why do, going back to your original question, why do people refuse to kind of question conspiracy theory?

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:00:59 Maybe there's some substance to it. And I think it's because it's more comfortable for people from a psychological perspective to live in this comfort area that their government might not do something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Right.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:01:09 Or might not try to cover up something like that, because that's just an easy way of life. But look-

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 It's too scary.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:01:14 It's too scary, but the fact is, is that look, I've traveled a lot, I've dealt with a lot of world leaders, we are still the greatest country in the world. Make n- make no excuse about that. But it doesn't mean that we can't call out and hold our own government and officials accountable. And so that's kind of what I've, guess my mission has been this Congress and, and what I hope that it will continue to be. But I'm not trying to do this for like even the next 10 years. So for someone like me, you know, people are like, "Oh," initially, "You're gonna ruin your political career talking about this. This is crazy. Why would you even wanna do that?" And then, you know, they're seeing all these big winds coming out in regards to transparency, and I will say had it not been for the, uh, secretaries that have been appointed by this administration-... this wouldn't have happened because in, under, uh, President Biden, he actually also tried to declassify things pertaining to JFK and the National Archives never released it. And so, in addition to-

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 (laughs) That's not a good sign. None of that stuff's-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 ... a good sign. Like, if you want trust from the American people, do you release information? If you want us to distrust you, you hide everything and you're hiding-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:14 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 ... everything on one of the most important events in human history.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:17 They were up until recently. And we're still, documents that, uh, the JFK community, 'cause mind you, I'm work, actually working with, his name's, um, Jefferson Morley, he is not a Republican, he's a Bernie Sanders, uh, Democrat. But on this issue, we're working great together. And he's actually been helping me and he's like, "Look, I've been waiting for this stuff for like 30 years."

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Yeah, this is a hugely bipartisan issue.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:36 Yeah, it's super-

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 This, this is-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:36 ... bipartisan, and so-

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 ... something we can all get together. That and UFOs.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Like, what's the one thing-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:41 First thing in the world.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 ... Democrats and Republicans both completely agree on? Like tell us what's up. Tell us what's up. Who killed him and are they real? That's, those are two giant questions that we all have. And-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:50 I think they're real.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:02:51 Uh, the other part is still outstanding, but hopefully when the documents are released from the Russian government later on this fall, that might be able to provide a full picture. Granted, I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt 'cause it's still, you know, it was written by the KGB. Uh, but at the end of the day-

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Yeah, for sure.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:03:06 ... we have a good mosaic that's been put together with at least the documents that have been released with this administration. And for any outstanding documents, I actually have a team assigned to me from the CIA that is actually helping me chase down these documents. And I've already had some interesting experiences. Like, not creepy, but, um, for example, after President Trump signed the executive order, and Radcliffe has been super helpful, we actually, um, were made aware of this. Allegedly, uh, the, there had been a document that was at the CIA that, um, was a report from the inspector general that had implicated the CIA allegedly in the assassination of JFK. So, I'm following up on this lead and trying to find this report and the Archives is like, "We don't have any documentation of this." The CIA says they don't have any documentation and they've been good with us so far. So, I go to the Archives 'cause they're like, "We found this weird bag though and it's in this SCIF and it's been here for five years and it was left by our former attorney for the Archives, and so we don't know what's in it." And I was like, "Well, go open it." They're like, "Well, we don't have the key and it's in a vault." And I said, "Well, I'm coming over." So, I drive over, literally. I like put my son in the car. I get in the car and I go over to the National Archives. We go into the SCIF, I pull out this bag and I'm like, "Does anyone have scissors?" And we like cut open this little folder and, um, there was a CD-ROM in it, and this has again been declassified now so I can talk about it, but there was this CD-ROM of a ton of wires from the State Department. Um, some of the wires were pertaining to the Kennedy family and it was actually a Wikileaks document. And so I think the reason why it was kept at the Archives is 'cause you're not actually supposed to have these documents on government computers. Wikileaks obviously-

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Oh.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:04:35 ... don't happen with that. Um, but here I was like cutting it out of a bag (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 That's crazy that they have-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:04:40 ... at the National Archives.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 ... that makes sense that you would have the most top secret documents burned on CD-ROMs, that way no one could ever get access to it by hacking into your computer.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:04:49 To this day, I don't know even who left the CD-ROM. I don't know. And there's some other stuff in that that I, I don't need to get into. But, um-

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 Why don't you need to get into it? (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 1:04:59 (laughs) Because I don't wanna get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 1:05:00 (laughs)

Anna Paulina Luna 1:05:00 Uh, but the stuff that was on there was interesting and I think I saw, um, recently Tulsi had actually talked about some of the State Department wires that had been found, um, that, and I think these are the same ones, that had talked about the assassination of RFK. It, they were wires going out from the State Department prior to his assassination, which is interesting. So, our next investigation, so we've done multiple hearings-

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 Wh- what do you, what do you mean by that? Like, what were, wh- how did they specifically discuss it?

Anna Paulina Luna 1:05:25 Well, that's, I haven't seen the actual wires themselves yet, but what that would imply is that the State Department knew about the assassination before it took place.

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 Oh, geez.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:05:34 So, and that was something-

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Did you-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:05:34 ... she talked about.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Did you get into the MKUltra stuff at all with Jolly West and-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:05:39 So, I look at that on my free time, but that's not the purview of the task force. But there is stuff that you can, again, ci.gov/readingroom, super creepy. I did find a document on the Archives website that actually ties the initial phases of the MKUltra program to Operation Paperclip.

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 Oh, boy.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:05:58 Interesting. And so-

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 That makes sense. Right?

Anna Paulina Luna 1:06:00 It is there and I'm, I'm, I'm reading this to my husband, like, "Andy-"

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 'Cause for sure, the Nazis were experimenting on drugs with people.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:06:05 They were doing a lot of bad stuff. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 Oh, they were doing a lot of horrible stuff, but for sure they were experimenting on their soldiers and on, uh, prisoners and they were experimenting on all kinds of people.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:06:15 Creepy stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 Yeah, and if we took some of that and applied it, the, the Jack Ruby connection to it is that Jolly West went to visit Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby was like pretty rational before then and then after Jolly West leaves, he's like freaking out, seeing things that aren't there. Uh, I think he said something about Jews burn-... he could see Jews burning alive, like-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:06:41 It's like a psychosis state.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 Full on-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:06:43 Manic state.

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 ... lost it. Most likely got dosed the fuck with acid. Most likely Jolly West just hit him with a fucking giant-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:06:51 Ter- that's a terrible way to go.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 ... shot glass (laughs) of acid. It doesn't, like, he went so far off the deep end and then he died later. I think he died a few years later of cancer, but I think he completely lost his mind after Jolly West visited him and Jolly West was re-, he was involved with the Manson Family thing, he was involved with Operation Midnight Climax where they, uh, they had brothels. The CIA was running brothels and they would get these johns to come in with the prostitutes and the prostitutes would give them acid and they didn't know it. And so they were sitting there and there was two-way mirrors and they were filming them while these guys were like-

Anna Paulina Luna 1:07:28 For blackmail.

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 ... well, for blackmail, for observation. They, they knew these people were never gonna say, "Hey, you did that to me." You know, the, "Look what the government did. It do- dosed me up with acid." No, 'cause they're not gonna admit they went to a brothel.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:07:41 Well, and they say-

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 So you have, like, the perfect group of people to victimize and just try stuff on.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:07:45 Well, and they got in trouble for it too. Like, the CIA had to do payouts. They were getting sued for it, and then when all this did flush out, I mean, you know, it's always, I feel like Congress-

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 Well, the Freedom of Information Act was the only re- and, and then they found a bunch of documents. They found documents that were... I forget who found... I forget... T- Tom O'Neill, who wrote the book, Chaos, goes into great detail about this.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:08:03 Well, it's interesting, so-

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 It's all about the Manson family and MKUltra. It's a fantastic book.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:08:08 Well, even just this conversation right now, there's such a stigma that exists around it because it's such a spooky topic.

Joe Rogan 1:08:13 Yes.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:08:13 And so, it's like, I don't want-

Joe Rogan 1:08:14 And you don't wanna look stupid.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:08:15 You don't wanna look stupid. And so look, uh, anyone watching this can go look at this information, go to cia.gov/readingroom. And no, it's not gonna like, be a phishing website that's gonna steal your information. But like, you can find-

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 Oh, for sure it is.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:08:25 (laughs) The CIA's like, "Where are we accessing?"

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 For sure, for sure.

Anna Paulina Luna 1:08:28 But, um, you know, it's, it's always been one of those things in the... You know, if people ask me, I'm just very transparent about it. And I will say something that started out with a stigma of being, you know,