Joe Rogan Experience #2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

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   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) So what did you think about the whole UFO thing before you got into office?

   3. ALAnna Paulina Luna0:15

      Um, so I actually had, when I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an air field manager, so I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. (smacks lips) And so, um, there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the Guard. And I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it and I was like, "What was that?" And they're like, "Eh, we can't really talk about it." And no one really wanted to address it. And so from what I'd gathered, that had been likely a UAP. Um, and so that kind of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in the generation of The X-Files and, you know, I don't know if you remember 94 Independence Day. So like for me specifically, I didn't look at it with like a crazy lens and perspective. I'm like, you know, you, you never know if, you know, we're the only ones out there essentially.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:03

      But why did you assume that if it's a top secret incursion that he couldn't talk about, that it wasn't just a military craft from another country?

   5. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:09

      Because of the way that he was discussing it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:10

      How did he... What did he say?

   7. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:11

      So he had been, um, (smacks lips) he, he didn't wanna, from what I gather, get taken off flight status, and he's like, "I really can't discuss it." Um, we couldn't really, like, identify it essentially. And it had outperformed them. And so that was my first, from a military perspective, kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community, um, do you want to lose your security clearance? Um, what... You know, is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:43

      But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet?

   9. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:45

      Well, at the time, right? So it was an old- an older platform, but-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Mm-hmm.

   11. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:49

       ... he really w- didn't wanna even talk about it. And I bring that up because now with our investigation and the task force that I run, actually the reason why the task force was formed was because of a, uh, event that happened at Eglin Air Force Base, where both myself, Representative Matt Gaetz, and Representative Tim Burchett actually had responded and gone to investigate mult- multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred, and they were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       Interesting.

   13. ALAnna Paulina Luna2:18

       Yeah. So that was... That and like, I'm happy to go into detail on that one, but what I will tell you is the stuff that I saw at Eglin, how the military responded, me being, uh, you know, a former service member and then ultimately what I saw with the t- the pushback of the military not even wanting to share with Congress information, which is a big problem. Because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people, the oversight body, and you're being denied access, not just from a base commander, but high level up at the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense, it's a problem.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       (smacks lips) Do you think that it's possible that these are US vehicles that are top secret?

   15. ALAnna Paulina Luna2:52

       I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the US government has. And I think that that i- that tech can be housed within the defense contract around- realm, and of course some information's gonna be classified. But I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy, but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, okay, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out there with that we don't have the ability to reproduce. Because it would basically be like dropping a cellphone, a cellphone, right, off back during the time of m- maybe cavemans. So like we just don't have the tech to develop it yet. What I can also tell you is based on our interviews, and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually able, able to ask some of the witnesses, you know, "What are these things?" And they keep saying interdimensional, and then when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of, you know, are these things preexisting, maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension, um, that stuff can kind of all sound crazy. But at the end of the day, you know, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately from a congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government, I mean, there's budgetary issues. But there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       So when you say that it, it operates outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying? Like what, what happened?

   17. ALAnna Paulina Luna4:20

       (smacks lips) To, to, I guess break it down in simple terms is that I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have, these energy things have, um, can-

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       Energy things?

   19. ALAnna Paulina Luna4:32

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       What do you mean?

   21. ALAnna Paulina Luna4:33

       Well, they call them inter, interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have. And that's not something that I came up with on my own. That's based on stuff that we've seen, that's based on information that we've, uh, been told. And then also too, I think that there's this historical aspect of, you know, this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion and, and I think the history that we currently know. And, and that kind of spins off into another topic of, you know, you have the modern day Bible, you have this aspect of Bibles that, or, uh, books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these topics. And I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a, um, a vast amount of q- information that we have access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the internet. And so it's really changing the way that we understand, you know, the origins of life and, and the spiritual reality that we know currently.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are interdimensional beings. How do they know that?

   23. ALAnna Paulina Luna5:36

       (smacks lips) That... So, um, based on testimony would be based on witnesses that had come forward. But what I can tell you is I've-

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       So the witnesses just were told that they were interdimensional?

   25. ALAnna Paulina Luna5:47

       No, no, that they've, that they've seen things. And what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations, um, is that there have been incidences that I believe where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       That's very vague. (laughs)

   27. ALAnna Paulina Luna6:09

       Yeah, so... Look-

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       Unfortunately.

   29. ALAnna Paulina Luna6:11

       Yeah, yeah. Look, um, have I seen a portal open? No. Have I seen a spaceship personally? No. Have I seen evidence of this? Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes. Is there historical significance to this? Yes. Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have documented this in text? Yes. So do I believe that the government has access to certain technology? Yes, to an extent. And I believe that certain contractors potentially have back engineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing. But I also believe that this is a dangerous level of hidden information from the American people, because if you have an aspect of the federal government, which I can tell you, I ha- with two other members of Congress, were denied access to information at Eglin Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers because of the fact... And we can get into that story on what happened at Eglin in a second, but we were di- denied access and told that we don't have security clearance or the read-in authority on a special access program. That's a problem because I'm supposed to represent and be an investigative body, and you have then people who are unelected that are operating basically in secrecy. Um, and, and that's a problem. That's a big problem.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       And so how do these people have the authority to do that?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Um, if I was…

   1. ALAnna Paulina Luna15:00

      I mean, you can literally at ... The last week, I was going through, actually on a Friday night, I'd just put my son down, and I was going through some of the declassified. You go to cia.gov/readingroom and you can see all the declassified documents. And so, I b- I believe it was called Stargate, and it was talking about, you know, the basically psychological experiments where they were trying to basically remote view and all that. Why would our own government be looking into that if, if there wasn't something there? And so, I'm- I'm appreciative to all that information being publicly out there, but I think this whole idea and stigma of trying to make it sound crazy when people actually have these questions, that needs to stop, which is why the task force is in existence. And then also too, they need to release information.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:38

      Um, if I was gonna play devil's advocate, I would say that the government would look into that to find out if there's anything there, and that would probably take a long time if they're really being careful. So, if I was gonna fund a program, if someone told me that there's some people in Russia that can remote view military sites in America, I'd be like, "Are you sure?" And they're like, "Yeah, yeah. There's a technique involved, and we know the technique."

   3. ALAnna Paulina Luna15:59

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:59

      Uh, "And we wanna fund some sort of a study to see if we can do it." I'm like, "Let's go. What do you need?" 'Cause if, maybe it's real. So, I don't buy that they wouldn't spend money on it unless it's real. I say they would spend money on it-

   5. ALAnna Paulina Luna16:13

      They for sure look into it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:13

      ... to find out. If, if you're really looking out for national security, right? You've got 300 and plus million people that you're responsible for, you gotta dot your i's and cross your t's. And like, if, if, if I'm, you know, uh, if I'm good at my job and I'm not an egomaniac, I'm gonna go, "Maybe there's some shit I don't know."

   7. ALAnna Paulina Luna16:32

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:33

      You know?

   9. ALAnna Paulina Luna16:33

      Well, there's- there's looking into it and then there's expanding, right? And so if you look at all those declassified files, you know, you can pull up, and this is just wild, but there's one where I was looking through and they had basically, you know, the Coast Guard had called in. There was a ship that they had been given information on that was running drugs. And so they called in one of their remote viewers and they're trying to give coordinates, coordi- uh, coordinates of the ship and actually, like, basically locate these things. And actually I was laughing because I was reading this off the website and I'm telling my husband, I'm like, "Imagine, you know, you're trying to run drugs and then all of a sudden you have some like weirdo at Langley." (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       (laughs)

   11. ALAnna Paulina Luna17:06

       Or like in a basement and they're like, "Nope, just like doo, doo, doo."

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       Dude.

   13. ALAnna Paulina Luna17:09

       "Here's the coordinates, you know, beam me up, Scotty," but ...

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Yeah, I don't know if they write things down or type them out or what, but I talked to Hal Puthoff about it and he said they used it to s- to very specifically find the location of a downed Russian craft within like a couple kilometers, which is nuts. If you think about the area where this thing crashed-

   15. ALAnna Paulina Luna17:27

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       ... it's like remote wilderness, the middle of nowhere. Russia hadn't found it yet, and apparently we found it first, according to Hal Puthoff. It's just because I haven't done it and because I don't know that it's real doesn't mean it's not real. And that's, this is a problem with people that they, they don't wanna get duped and they don't wanna look stupid. They wanna, don't wanna look naive, and so they dismiss things. They dismiss that there's, there might be frequencies that you don't tune into all the time and someone might get really good at that and they might be able to see things remotely. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. I think we can all agree that eating highly processed food for every meal isn't optimal. So, why is processed food the status quo for dog food? Because that's what kibble is, an ultra-processed food.But a healthy alternative exists, The Farmer's Dog. They make fresh food for dogs. And what does it look like? Real meat and vegetables that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients and help avoid any of the bad stuff that comes with ultra processing. And it's not just random ingredients thrown together. Their food is formulated by on-staff board certified vet nutritionists. These people are experts on dog nutrition and they're all in on fresh food. The Farmer's Dog also does something unique. They portion out the food to your dog's nutritional needs. This ensures that you don't overfeed them, making weight management easy. Research shows that dogs kept at a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer. Head to thefarmersdog.com/rogan to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. This offer is for new customers only.

   17. ALAnna Paulina Luna19:09

       Well, I think that this gets into the bigger discussion of what do we know, right? Going back to some of these books that were moved. Um, there's a good podcast right now called The Autistic Tapes, and it talks about how some non-speaking or non-verbal autistic kids actually are exhibiting, um, telepath-

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       You mean the Telepathy Tapes?

   19. ALAnna Paulina Luna19:26

       Yeah. They're the t- Yeah, sorry, the Telepathy Tapes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       Yeah.

   21. ALAnna Paulina Luna19:28

       Non-verbal autistic kids are exhibiting telepathy. You know, this concept, again, if you were to talk about it 20 years ago, people would call you crazy. But, you know, I think based on what we're seeing now, based on the fact that our own government's looked into it, um, based on the stuff that you were saying, I mean, you can find all this information publicly available and it's out there. And, and I think that there's something to it. And so, you know, we're seeing, and we've heard this is in non-classified settings, we've heard from people that have come forward that are saying, "You know, we're being able to, via meditation, we're be- essentially like downloading information and we can communicate with these things." Granted, you know, when I'm sitting in my congressional office and I'm hearing this, I take it with a grain of salt because we do get a lot of crazy people. But when you have people that are high level executives, very successful, clean cut, not on drugs, they're coming in and they're telling you this stuff. And then, you know, you're kind of cross-refering- cross-referencing it with various people in intelligence agencies, I just, I think that there's something there we need to be at least open to hearing the discussion and the argument for these things.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       Oh, for sure. I mean, like I said, if there's a photo out there, I think you owe humanity a service. You, you're supposed to release that photograph. Like, there's no reason why a small group of people in the government should have photo conclusive evidence that aliens are real.

   23. ALAnna Paulina Luna20:46

       And there's a-

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:46

       That's crazy.

   25. ALAnna Paulina Luna20:47

       W- And there's an overclassification aspect of this too, right? Like, if you're serving in the military and you're taking a photo on your personal device or a video on your personal device, that shouldn't be the purview of the federal government. And either which way, I mean, there's been now so much stuff... There's, granted there's been a lot of fake stuff put out there.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       Right.

   27. ALAnna Paulina Luna21:03

       But the stuff that is legitimate that we are seeing, the stuff that we had people testify to in our congressional hearings, I mean, that's not a joke. And what's even more interesting to this is that I was actually able ta- to talk to David Grusch, who now is actually working with the task force to kind of chase down a lot of these leads in regards to some of these contractors that allegedly have this tech, right? So in talking with him, um, again, not in a SCIF, we were able to actually flush out that prior to him testifying that he actually received very real threats against his life and his wife, his wife's life. Um, he's a sound guy. And then shortly after he testified, this was, there was this massive smear operation that was launched against him to try to discredit his testimony. And so, you know, again, going into, well, if this stuff wasn't real or if he wasn't telling the truth, why would there be this massively orchestrated effort to, you know, um, completely just disprove what he was trying to say or to discredit his actions and his testimony? And so it is kind of coming full circle, right? Going back to what the task force has been able to find out. I mean, we're conducting these investigations simultaneously, and we're doing this in addition to everything that we, um, to everything else that we have to do as members of Congress, right? So although I would love to just dedicate my full time and attention to this, we still have to balance it out. And so I've again had some great investigators who are working with us on oversight, as well as a lot of cooperation from the intelligence agencies. And we are going to be asking for this information to de- be declassified, at least information that has been showed to us.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:34

       I think the first break in the wall was that 2017 New York Times report where they were talking about it in logical, sensible language that these things might be from another world. But I think that movie that you're discussing, which is The Age of Disclosure, right?

   29. ALAnna Paulina Luna22:51

       Yeah. I haven't seen it. Have you seen it?

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:52

       It's very good.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Well- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      is maybe a multiple step, very s- agonizing, frustratingly slow process, rather than a big dump of all the information that they've had from Roswell, to the, the Aztec one, to this, uh, uh, apparently there's a, a, a whole slew... I don't know if it's Aztec, I forget the name of it. But there was a- another, during that same time period, there was a, a really prominent UFO, uh, recovery thing that was not as publicized as the one in Roswell. The big mistake with the Roswell one was the newspaper printed it.

   2. ALAnna Paulina Luna30:35

      Well-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:35

      And so then they had to backtrack, and then they had to do the press conference where they had like some scattered pieces of a weather balloon that didn't look anything like a UFO.

   4. ALAnna Paulina Luna30:43

      And then-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      And they said, they say, "Sorry."

   6. ALAnna Paulina Luna30:44

      ... the Air Force was like, "That is nothing" (laughs) .

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:45

      Yeah, but meanwhile they flew the wreckage to Right Field. They flew the- the wreckage and Truman met them there, supposedly.

   8. ALAnna Paulina Luna30:52

      Well, I can tell you that in our hearing, we are actually notified, and you can pull this up, um, we were... I think it was, uh...W- one of the witnesses had talked about what had happened at Vandenberg Air Base, where there was this thing that appeared over the base. It actually had multiple blotters reporting on it from phone calls in to law enforcement from, like, hundreds of people. And whatever had appeared over the base was basically bigger than a football field and basically a cube, a red cube, with some weird thing in the center of it. Um, I actually had our witness draw this out. This guy's sober, is a priest, I mean, was a great pilot, and he's talking about all this. And so, you know, you talk about this as if it seems like a sci-fi movie, but based on the evidence that we've seen, I don't have any reason to believe that these people are lying. Based on the evidence that I've seen from our own government, I think that there's something there that the American people deserve to have access to. And so I've been ... This is not just on this topic, but again, in other topics as well, this has been my perspective, is transparency is what builds trust. Other governments have revealed certain information on it. To think that we are the only, you know, life form on this planet or in this galaxy I think is a little bit crazy, given, you know, the fact that I also think God exists and that there's other creations. But then again, you get into this aspect of, you know, why is it that you also have this aspect of, you know, a certain religion that has been very controlled and I think ruled out in a certain aspect. And, you know, when you have certain books that are removed because they don't think that people should have access to this information or know it, you know, why remove a book from a Bible, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:20

      Was ... Did Wes Huff, did, did he touch on that? Did he talk about that? Are there people that don't believe the Book of Enoch was really a part of the Bible?

   10. NANarrator32:32

       I don't remember how, I don't remember how he discussed the missing books.

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       Yeah, he was-

   12. NANarrator32:36

       I think we brought it up, but I don't remember how he answered.

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:38

       That's the guy to talk to.

   14. ALAnna Paulina Luna32:39

       Yeah, so what ... From what I gather-

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:40

       That's the guy to talk to about it. You know what I mean? Because you have to really understand the history of the Bible to, to be able to figure out w- you know, like, what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the New Testament. I had some very erroneous ideas about it until I talked to intelligent people that really, really know the history of it. And it's, it's very strange stuff.

   16. ALAnna Paulina Luna32:58

       Well, so from, from what I gather, and by, by the way, I'm not a theologian in any capacity, but just from my personal opinion on this. So, you have the Ethiopian Orthodox text, which has, I think, 88 books in the Bo- of the Bible, um, in total. But in the Ethiopian Orthodox text, it's basically kind of like a, a mainline, OG version of the Bible. And then sometime in the fourth century, there was actually a group that came together, and they removed certain books. And, uh, th- The story goes, uh, that Revelations actually had replaced Enoch. And so it's interesting because when you're looking kind of full circle on, you know, you hear the stuff that some of these people are talking about, and then you see and you read the Book of Enoch, which is a wild read, okay? And then you look at kind of what our modern day description is of what angels and entities are versus what Enoch was seeing and reporting in his language and ability at that time. I just ... I think that there's a lot that brings you to then ask the question, well, why would they remove this information? If it's truly, you know, written and, and part of the oldest Bible in the world, why would they then take it out and, and water it down? And I'm not saying that you can't find God through the new Bible, right? Like, everyone's on their own spiritual journey, and I think everyone can pray and you can as- access God. But, um, I just find that very interesting. And so what I will say is that I like to have the whole kind of, um, picture in front of me. And so I feel like to fully understand A through Z, you kind of have to be able to read it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:23

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   18. NANarrator36:02

       The Book of Enoch?

   19. JRJoe Rogan36:03

       Yeah.

   20. NANarrator36:03

       Uh, yeah, I mean-

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:04

       Like, why did they re- 'Cause I, I know there was some kind of controversy that Wes Huff described. I just can't remember it.

   22. NANarrator36:10

       Yeah, I don't ... Well, I just looked through a transcript real quick. I didn't see you guys discussing Enoch. We were discussing Isaiah and then the Dead Sea Scrolls and stuff like that. I didn't see Enoch discussion.

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:19

       No, it must have been me privately talking-

   24. NANarrator36:21

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:21

       ... to him about something, uh, another video that I watched. Um, the, the-

   26. ALAnna Paulina Luna36:25

       But-

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:25

       The thing about, like, what Wes Huff does that's so interesting is like he, he, he really understands like the history of the text, the language in which they use, the names in which they chose. And when he breaks it all ... One of the things he told us that was the craziest was that the Book of Isaiah was exactly the same in the Dead Sea Scrolls as it was 1,000 years later. They, they-

   28. ALAnna Paulina Luna36:47

       A direct translation.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:48

       ... found one that was 1,000 years older.... and it was direct. It was word for word, verbatim. I'm like, "That's bananas." A thousand-year-old story that's exactly the same, written, uh, that they didn't know there was a version of it a thousand years ago, and then they, they find it in these caves in Qumran.

   30. ALAnna Paulina Luna37:04

       It's confirmed in texts, yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Well, I think there's…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      there. So, eh, it s- somewhere in the Middle East. Visuals of surrounding buildings indicated that the area, eh, uh, the presence of mosque domes. Individuals in the area were clothed in virtually all white, had black hair and dark eyes. One figure I honed in on wore a mustache. The target is hidden underground. Dark and wet were all aspects of the location of the target. See, the, the only problem I ever have with these things is if these places are all controlled by terrorists and it's all, you know, dictators and crazy people over there. If they found out that the ark was there, they would fucking take it.

   2. ALAnna Paulina Luna45:35

      Well, I think there's this aspect of, if you look at from a biblical perspective, no one would be able to access it anyways because it would be protected, right? That's what the Bible says. Um-

   3. NANarrator45:45

      It just says here too, "Cannot be opened until the time is deemed correct."

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:48

      Oh, Jesus.

   5. NANarrator45:49

      (laughs)

   6. ALAnna Paulina Luna45:49

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:50

      "Once the time to open the container, the mechanisms of lock systems will be found to be fairly simple. Individuals opening the container by prying or striking are destroyed by the container's protectors."

   8. ALAnna Paulina Luna46:03

      Well, it's interesting 'cause remember in the Bible, it always talks about how there had to be like a-

   9. NANarrator46:07

      Through the use of power unknown to us.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       "Through the use of p- of a power unknown to us."

   11. NANarrator46:10

       (laughs) They melt you, remember?

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Bro, yeah. In the movies.

   13. ALAnna Paulina Luna46:12

       Well said. They had to, you know, go through this spec- special process of being considered, you know, holy, basically, to access it. So, all that to say that there's something out there, right? I think that obviously God's real and this job has definitely, um, you know, put me in a position to where we're able to help get other truths out there, if you will. And-

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       You need to get the truth of that thing out there.

   15. ALAnna Paulina Luna46:36

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       They need to find out like that-

   17. ALAnna Paulina Luna46:37

       Dear Director Radcliffe, as you look at the Ark of the Covenant-

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       Like, do you know how much the world would change if you found the actual Ark of the Covenant and you could explain a lot of things? Like, ex- look, if these Ethiopians have it, which Graham Hancock believes-

   19. ALAnna Paulina Luna46:50

       Allegedly, they do.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       Yeah. Graham Hancock believes that they do. And he said that these guardians, they all get cataracts and they die of like radiation poisoning.

   21. ALAnna Paulina Luna46:58

       I mean, there's something to be said about the Ethiopian people as a whole, and going back to the Ethiopian Orthodox text. Actually, when I first launched this task force, I actually went and I met with a Ethiopian Orthodox pastor, if you will, just to kind of see and a- explain and ask questions, um, that I can't exactly go to, you know, the Smithsonian and ask. And, you know, his response was interesting, especially from their perspective. You know, you have a lot of this aspect of, I think, religion that tries to be doom and gloom, and then in the Ethiopian perspective, he's like, "First of all, your timeline's wrong." And I'm like, "What do you mean your timeline?" He's like, "Well, the, the biblical text in modern day Christianity, it's g- it's a little bit off, right? So, we use a completely separate, I think it's, uh, 364 days out of the year." And he's explaining all of it. And he is like, "But even then, so, you know, um, we don't have the perspective of, you know, we're in the end of days, et cetera." But, you know, the way... His perspective just seemed very, um, optimistic as opposed to pessimistic and, and filtering and controlling information. All that to say-

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:57

       He's probably not online.

   23. ALAnna Paulina Luna47:59

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:59

       (laughs)

   25. ALAnna Paulina Luna48:01

       He's off X. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:01

       He's off-

   27. ALAnna Paulina Luna48:02

       He's off X.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:02

       ... he's off X.

   29. NANarrator48:02

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:02

       He's off TikTok.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:08:48

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      The president's shot. People don't always think straight when things are going nutty. People have a terrible memory right after traumatic events.

   2. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:00:07

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Like, yes and no. Like he might have been there or he might not have been there. He might have shot at Kennedy or he might not at Kennedy. But for sure, he was some sort of government operative.

   4. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:00:17

      We-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      For sure he was traveling back and forth from Russia. He married a Russian citizen. There was a lot of weird shit with that guy.

   6. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:00:24

      He was under surveillance by the CIA.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      Yeah.

   8. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:00:26

      So there's a lot there. However, I will say this. What the official narrative was, we now know is BS, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

      Yeah.

   10. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:00:33

       And what-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       Well that I thought from the beginning.

   12. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:00:35

       Yeah, uh, but, um, a lot of the American people did, but to have their own government say, "No, that's not true," to gaslight them-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Yeah.

   14. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:00:41

       ... and to push this narrative of, "If you question it, you're wrong, you're crazy," that in itself I think when you're talking about like why do the American people not trust their government, it's really this fracture that starts around the Kennedy era in timeframe. And you can see then that distrust kind of evolves. But why do, going back to your original question, why do people refuse to kind of question conspiracy theory?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       Yeah.

   16. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:00:59

       Maybe there's some substance to it. And I think it's because it's more comfortable for people from a psychological perspective to live in this comfort area that their government might not do something like that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       Right.

   18. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:01:09

       Or might not try to cover up something like that, because that's just an easy way of life. But look-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       It's too scary.

   20. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:01:14

       It's too scary, but the fact is, is that look, I've traveled a lot, I've dealt with a lot of world leaders, we are still the greatest country in the world. Make n- make no excuse about that. But it doesn't mean that we can't call out and hold our own government and officials accountable. And so that's kind of what I've, guess my mission has been this Congress and, and what I hope that it will continue to be. But I'm not trying to do this for like even the next 10 years. So for someone like me, you know, people are like, "Oh," initially, "You're gonna ruin your political career talking about this. This is crazy. Why would you even wanna do that?" And then, you know, they're seeing all these big winds coming out in regards to transparency, and I will say had it not been for the, uh, secretaries that have been appointed by this administration-... this wouldn't have happened because in, under, uh, President Biden, he actually also tried to declassify things pertaining to JFK and the National Archives never released it. And so, in addition to-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       (laughs) That's not a good sign. None of that stuff's-

   22. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:02:06

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:06

       ... a good sign. Like, if you want trust from the American people, do you release information? If you want us to distrust you, you hide everything and you're hiding-

   24. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:02:14

       Exactly.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

       ... everything on one of the most important events in human history.

   26. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:02:17

       They were up until recently. And we're still, documents that, uh, the JFK community, 'cause mind you, I'm work, actually working with, his name's, um, Jefferson Morley, he is not a Republican, he's a Bernie Sanders, uh, Democrat. But on this issue, we're working great together. And he's actually been helping me and he's like, "Look, I've been waiting for this stuff for like 30 years."

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:34

       Yeah, this is a hugely bipartisan issue.

   28. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:02:36

       Yeah, it's super-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:36

       This, this is-

   30. ALAnna Paulina Luna1:02:36

       ... bipartisan, and so-

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