Joe Rogan Experience #2367 - Jesse Welles

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. JWJesse Welles0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Cheers, buddy.

   4. JWJesse Welles0:13

      Cheers to you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Nice to meet you, man.

   6. JWJesse Welles0:15

      Good to meet you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I've enjoyed your songs. (laughs)

   8. JWJesse Welles0:21

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      How did you, uh ... Well, first of all, how long you been doing music?

   10. JWJesse Welles0:25

       Um, I think most of my life, you know. Um ...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Did you grow up in a musical family or is it just something you picked up on your own?

   12. JWJesse Welles0:35

       No, I ... Everyone worked and made art when they weren't working.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Oh, okay.

   14. JWJesse Welles0:44

       But, uh, no music really, but that, I, I like to, I like music.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Like what kind of art did your family do?

   16. JWJesse Welles0:52

       Like my mom would always paint. She put like murals on the, on the walls of the house and stuff. And my old man's a mechanic, um, and he would be tinkering around, m- making all sorts of fun stuff, usually with his welder and whatnot. So I, there, I felt like they were artistic folks.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Yeah.

   18. JWJesse Welles1:15

       You know. Um, but they didn't, they didn't necessarily, uh, do music. You know, they're smarter than that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       And so-

   20. JWJesse Welles1:23

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       ... um, I only know of you from the videos that you put up on Instagram.

   22. JWJesse Welles1:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       And specifically, I think it was the United Healthcare guy was the first one.

   24. JWJesse Welles1:30

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Right? Which was really good, dude. It's s- the lyrics, you, and the timing of it all, you captured the moment. And that song, to me, was like, "Yeah, that's what the fuck is going on."

   26. JWJesse Welles1:44

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       That's what's really going on.

   28. JWJesse Welles1:46

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       They don't give a shit about you and they're just trying to make money.

   30. JWJesse Welles1:49

       Mm-hmm.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   For sure. …

   1. JWJesse Welles15:00

      may-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      For sure.

   3. JWJesse Welles15:00

      Maybe you hired, uh... You, you co-opted the bard. You turned him into your fool, your jester or whatever.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      Mm...

   5. JWJesse Welles15:08

      And then he sang songs for you about how fat the neighbor king was.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      I think that's a different guy.

   7. JWJesse Welles15:13

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      I think you're dealing with a different guy.

   9. JWJesse Welles15:16

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       The guy who does the jester? That's the fucking vampire familiar.

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       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       You know? You know? Like in Blade? The guys that always get close to the vampires?

   13. JWJesse Welles15:25

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       'Cause they want, eventually one day wanna be a vampire.

   15. JWJesse Welles15:27

       Who's, who's-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       They're promised it.

   17. JWJesse Welles15:29

       Who was, in Lord of the Rings, who was like Th- Théoden's, uh, dude? Worm, Wormtongue or something? Anyway. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       I don't remember. I don't remember.

   19. JWJesse Welles15:39

       People very close.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       But it's a... There's al- That's always the Dracula story. There's always a familiar. There's always a, a human that does the bidding of the vampire.

   21. JWJesse Welles15:46

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       Oh, that guy.

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       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Yeah, perfect. Exactly.

   25. JWJesse Welles15:52

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yeah. Same kinda guy. Fucking creep with his-

   27. JWJesse Welles15:57

       Oh my gosh.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       ... questionable hard drive.

   29. JWJesse Welles15:59

       Did he... Was he in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Was he? God, that seems weird.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Is it psychedelic? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      your brain, and it, for lack of a better term, looks at addiction. It also is... It's not a drug that you could abuse recreationally. Apparently it's not a fun time. And it's a 24-hour experience. And this 24-hour experience is-

   2. JWJesse Welles30:14

      Is it psychedelic?

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      Yes. And this 24-hour experience is essentially a review of your life.... and showing you, like, "You remember this happened-"

   4. JWJesse Welles30:24

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      "... and these guys beat you up after school, and then that sent you down this road. And then this is why you think about this and this." And it, like, lays out why you're in all these different fucked up patterns in your life.

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      D- do you have a g- like, a spirit guide?

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:37

      I don't know.

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      Do you-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      I don't know. I mean, I think it's-

   10. JWJesse Welles30:40

       Like, like, like, a gain counsel?

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       You mean, while you're doing it?

   12. JWJesse Welles30:43

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They, they have centers. What is the place called in Mexico that, uh... Former Republican Governor Rick Perry-

   14. JWJesse Welles30:51

       Right, right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       ... is an advocate of this.

   16. JWJesse Welles30:53

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       And he went to that... Is it Beond, B-E-O-N-D? Um, they have to... They've... For the longest time, they've been doing these things down in Mexico because it's legal there.

   18. JWJesse Welles31:04

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       That's it.

   20. JWJesse Welles31:04

       Does ayahuasca do something similar?

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       Yes. That's... A lot of people go down to Costa Rica and do that. Or there's certain churches that have a religious exemption in America.

   22. JWJesse Welles31:14

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Which is wild.

   24. JWJesse Welles31:16

       What, what? (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       You go to church and really meet Jesus. (laughs)

   26. JWJesse Welles31:19

       Yeah. (laughs) You go, you go-

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       Like, for real, for real. Like are you ready?

   28. JWJesse Welles31:22

       Go out to Utah or Wyoming and...

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       Yeah.

   30. JWJesse Welles31:24

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   The problem is, they've…

   1. JWJesse Welles45:00

      in Vietnam, if, if the, if the folks fighting out there felt, like in that moment, in that moment where you're, where you're killing somebody, if you realize at that point that nothing has ever changed. And that this is, this is, this, there's something primeval in, in man of, with this violence, that this violence is innate. Or c- y- you know, is this violence innate? Is it, is this how f- folks are and there's no helping it and there's nothing that's ever gonna change it? 'Cause you can get kinda cynical that way. Or, and I, and I kinda tend on this more idealistic, and at times it seems naive or stupid, to have an ideal that folks can, could live in harmony, in peace, without taking one another's lives, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan46:01

      The problem is, they've never done it before.

   3. JWJesse Welles46:04

      I, that's, that's mind-boggling.

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:06

      Mind-boggling.

   5. JWJesse Welles46:07

      Because it is in all... I think it's in a l- in, in a lot of us, deep down, to, I don't...

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:14

      Well, it has to be.

   7. JWJesse Welles46:16

      That, to not harm-

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:16

      Because it's the only way we survived. That's the only way we got to where we are today.

   9. JWJesse Welles46:20

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       'Cause we existed before language, we existed before empathy, before we understood each other, before we could communicate.

   11. JWJesse Welles46:27

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       So any being that you didn't know, from somewhere else, wanted what you had and they would try to take it by force. So the bigger, stronger ones survived, and that's why the best genetics kept going and going and going. I mean, it was just survival of the fittest. It exists in nature and it exists with humans. And that's the basis of our DNA, unfortunately. Like, that's how we started, right? And so, that, the way it manifests itself today is fucking drone warfare.

   13. JWJesse Welles46:53

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       And bombs, and, you know, dropping bunker busters out of B2s. You know, that's what it is. Or B12s, is that what it is, the B12? What's the big one? B2. B2? Feels like it should be a bigger number, 'cause it looks like a spaceship.

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       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       (laughs)

   17. JWJesse Welles47:10

       You see how they flew it over Putin?

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       Like, "Look at my dick."

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       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       "My flying dick. Da, da, da, da, da."

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       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       You see? Trump did that when Putin was in Alaska. They flew a, a bomber over his head. Like, "What are we doing? Why are we fly- why are we flying the radar-resistant bomber over Putin's head?"

   23. JWJesse Welles47:30

       That just, it sounds like a show of force.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:33

       Look at my dick.

   25. JWJesse Welles47:34

       Yeah. I, this is what these games... But, uh, like, is it, yeah, I, I just, I, I wonder, is it within humans to, to exist in, like in, in peace, without, without...

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:52

       Well, we certainly can-

   27. JWJesse Welles47:53

       Like, could it be done?

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       ... in small groups, right? Like if you, me and Jamie, I've said this before, but, you know, about other guests, if we were on an island all together, we wouldn't lock each other up. We wouldn't, we'd just-

   29. JWJesse Welles48:05

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:05

       ... kind of, we'd just figure it out.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      realize like oh my god, 80% of the people talking aren't just people.

   2. NANarrator1:00:04

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      They're either being hired to do this or it's AI or they're bots.

   4. NANarrator1:00:09

      It seems to be like manufactured chaos-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Mm-hmm.

   6. NANarrator1:00:12

      ... in order to take the air out of the room, to suffocate information, and-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      Also to make laws so they can clamp down on dissent.

   8. NANarrator1:00:23

      And that, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      So the more, the more you can have chaos online, the more it becomes unmanageable, the more you have to manage it.

   10. NANarrator1:00:30

       Right, right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Right? And the more people ask you to come in and save them, "Please save us. Save us from this." There should be laws.

   12. NANarrator1:00:38

       Uh, I mean that's the-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       You sh- hate speech, that shouldn't be legal.

   14. NANarrator1:00:41

       That's kind of the idea behind like the f- like false flag-

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       100%.

   16. NANarrator1:00:46

       ... gun, gun things.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       Exactly.

   18. NANarrator1:00:47

       Or like, um... I don't know. I think like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       Well, that's what got us into Vietnam.

   20. NANarrator1:00:51

       I think like Vegas.

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       ... yeah.

   22. JWJesse Welles1:00:53

       Like, the Mandalay Bay thing? Like, there was a lot of theories behind-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       The Vegas one's weird. That's a weird one. That's a weird one.

   24. JWJesse Welles1:00:58

       That one's gonna... I... That's gonna bother me forever, uh, that... 'Cause that one actually happened while I was awake and paying attention, and, and, and it just... (laughs) Nothing, nothing lines up with it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       You weren't there-

   26. JWJesse Welles1:01:12

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       ... were you? Were you in Vegas at the time?

   28. JWJesse Welles1:01:14

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       No.

   30. JWJesse Welles1:01:15

       No, I was sitting in Nashville.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:20:48

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      but I was working for the government. I mean, it's okay. I'm fine, right?"

   2. JWJesse Welles1:15:03

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:04

      And then he gets... They all get... Just disappear. Nobody hears them, nobody knows their name, nobody knows who they are. They're probably doing it right now somewhere else.

   4. JWJesse Welles1:15:12

      No, they, they, they go into the private sector. They're, they're with... I don't know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:17

      Who knows?

   6. JWJesse Welles1:15:17

      Maybe they're with the...

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:19

      Who knows?

   8. JWJesse Welles1:15:19

      Over with, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:20

      I mean, who knows who was instructing them to do-

   10. JWJesse Welles1:15:22

       Blackwater or something.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:23

       Sure. Who knows who was instructing them to do what they were doing in the first place.

   12. JWJesse Welles1:15:27

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:15:27

       Like, why did you guys decide that you were gonna kidnap the governor? Did... Is there higher ups that told you-

   14. JWJesse Welles1:15:32

       I don't know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:15:32

       ... this was a good idea to plot this?

   16. JWJesse Welles1:15:34

       I don't-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15:34

       Like, what are we trying to do?

   18. JWJesse Welles1:15:35

       I just wonder how much within those... W- within even these buildings, like, what's the communication like in a huge organization like the FBI or something? Are there, are there people over on floor two that have no idea what's going on on floor four?

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       100%.

   20. JWJesse Welles1:15:55

       You know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15:56

       100%.

   22. JWJesse Welles1:15:57

       And...

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:15:57

       Yeah, 100%.

   24. JWJesse Welles1:15:58

       Just pockets, pockets of intelligence. Little microcosms of, of people working, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:16:06

       Well, talking to people that actually work in the government, they'll tell you, there are people that are in charge of each individual office. And they're like a czar of this office.

   26. JWJesse Welles1:16:17

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16:17

       You gotta get through them.

   28. JWJesse Welles1:16:18

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:16:19

       And they can put the kibosh on anything you're trying to do. And they're hiding information from the rest of the office.

   30. JWJesse Welles1:16:24

       Right.

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