Joe Rogan Experience #2373 - Dave Landau

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Yeah, dog, what up?

Dave Landau 0:14 There we go.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What's up?

Dave Landau 0:15 How you doing?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Good to see you, brother.

Dave Landau 0:16 Good to see you, sir.

Joe Rogan 0:17 What's crackalackin'?

Dave Landau 0:18 Not much. Just rocking the Shinola. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:20 (laughs) I thought that you were talking about your Shinola watch.

Dave Landau 0:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:23 I'm, I'm glad Detroit's coming back, you know, and I like, I like how Shinola represents.

Dave Landau 0:29 Shinola is definitely one of the things that's great about Detroit.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Yeah, they say it, like, "Made in Detroit." They're proud.

Dave Landau 0:34 Yes, which we didn't have for a long time.

Joe Rogan 0:36 (clicks tongue) Dude.

Dave Landau 0:37 Like, some of-

Joe Rogan 0:37 Detroit is the craziest story. If you know the story about Detroit, like, in the 1950s and '60s, it was the third-richest city in the world.

Dave Landau 0:46 Well, yeah, it was called the Paris of the Midwest. And it's a city that's still built for seven million people with supposedly 700,000 living in it.

Joe Rogan 0:54 (sighs) Psh.

Dave Landau 0:55 I mean, so you do see a lot of, like, "How is there, like, a million-dollar condo in the same place that has, like, eight abandoned other apartments?" It's cr- When you go downtown, it makes no sense logistically. How do they-

Joe Rogan 1:05 Do you ever watch that show Top Gear?

Dave Landau 1:06 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07 With Jeremy Clarkson and the... I think it was, it was either Top Gear or it was maybe the, the, the one they did after that that they did for Amazon. But they went to Detroit, and they bought a house for $500.

Dave Landau 1:18 Yeah, you can. And there's also the people that buy them and open the door and get mauled by pit bulls.

Joe Rogan 1:22 (laughs)

Dave Landau 1:23 Or you see the ones that, like, they're, they'll put a, a, like, a pumpkin pa- Like, they'll do an urban farm, which is hysterical, and you'll see, like, these hippies on the news, like, "They cut my face and stole my plums." And I'm sc- It's like, yeah, but you're in a crack neighborhood. Nobody wants your farm.

Joe Rogan 1:39 No, we're gentrifying.

Dave Landau 1:40 Yeah, isn't that what you guys want? And it's like, they don't want that at all.

Joe Rogan 1:43 (sighs) There's some delusional fucking people out there, dude. And what they did to Detroit, like, anybody that thinks that you should allow corporations to just take all the jobs and move them overseas, "Well, this is just, like, corporate decision-making, and it's prudent financial decision-making," and...

Dave Landau 2:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:04 Look at Detroit. Look what they did.

Dave Landau 2:06 It's a prime example of, like, that was the American dream.

Joe Rogan 2:10 Yeah.

Dave Landau 2:10 And then they're like, "We'll just, we'll, we'll assemble them in Mexico, look, but we'll write 'Made in America' on your door, so you're gonna feel good about it."

Joe Rogan 2:17 Did they even write "Made in America" on the door?

Dave Landau 2:19 Sometimes they do.

Joe Rogan 2:19 (laughs)

Dave Landau 2:20 Like, I'd prefer, like, the '80s and '90s, where if you bought a car-

Joe Rogan 2:23 (laughs)

Dave Landau 2:23 ... and it was made on a Friday, you knew a drunk guy did it, so you're like, "Give me one from a Wednesday."

Joe Rogan 2:27 (laughs)

Dave Landau 2:28 Like, those were the days of American auto-making.

Joe Rogan 2:31 See, that's part of the problem, too. A friend of mine who was in the union told me that the automakers' union just got out of control. They were making so much money, and the, uh, they were constantly in negotiations, there were strikes impending, and-

Dave Landau 2:45 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:46 ... and then they were like, "Hey, fuck you. We'll just go to Mexico."

Dave Landau 2:49 They offed Tofa? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:49 (laughs) Yeah, they offed Tofa too.

Dave Landau 2:50 Yeah. Right, that's right.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah.

Dave Landau 2:52 That's just part of it. But no, like, later on, like you said, in the '80s and '90s, like, you're grandfathered in.

Joe Rogan 2:57 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 2:57 And it really doesn't matter what you do wrong.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Right.

Dave Landau 2:59 Like, that's part of the deal.

Joe Rogan 3:01 Yeah, you can't get fired.

Dave Landau 3:02 No, it was great. I mean-

Joe Rogan 3:03 And you have a great living.

Dave Landau 3:04 ... it was great for the worker, but-

Joe Rogan 3:05 Yeah. There seems to be, like, a middle balance that could be reached.

Dave Landau 3:10 Yeah, like, don't be fully hammered when you're trying to put a door on an F-150.

Joe Rogan 3:14 (laughs) I mean, they should make good money because the corporation makes good money. I mean, it, you know, they were doing well. It was a, uh, v- very profitable business. The workers should share in those profits.

Dave Landau 3:25 Well, and, like, the electric ones, they just didn't work for them either. They-

Joe Rogan 3:28 Oh, the new stuff.

Dave Landau 3:28 They pushed it out too soon, too.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Yeah.

Dave Landau 3:30 Well, 'cause I know people that work on the line, you have, like, the electric F-150, and it's, like, F-150s, the sh- everybody wants one. They love it as a work truck, but as an electric truck, you put the thing down in South America where it's hot all the time, and it's just gonna catch fire. So it's like-

Joe Rogan 3:43 (laughs)

Dave Landau 3:43 ... it's not really working out. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:45 Or if you're in the cold, the battery sucks.

Dave Landau 3:47 Yeah, which-

Joe Rogan 3:48 Yeah.

Dave Landau 3:48 And I just don't like electric cars personally. Maybe it's just because I'm from Detroit, and I-

Joe Rogan 3:53 Oh, dude.

Dave Landau 3:53 I grew up, and I just want to feel an engine.

Joe Rogan 3:55 I get it, but I have a Tesla that will knock your dick into the dirt.

Dave Landau 4:00 Oh, I know they're fast.

Joe Rogan 4:01 And it, it's not just fast. It's f- The fucking car is incredible.

Dave Landau 4:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:05 It's a piece of m- machinery from the future.

Dave Landau 4:07 What is it?

Joe Rogan 4:08 It's a Model S.

Dave Landau 4:09 Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:09 But it's a Plaid that was sent to a company called Unplugged Performance.

Dave Landau 4:13 Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:13 And Unplugged Performance takes the fenders off, put carbon fiber wider fenders, changes the suspension to, like, a race-based suspension, puts wide tires on it and wider wheels, upgrades the brakes to these huge carbon fiber disks, 'cause it's a very heavy car.

Dave Landau 4:27 I was gonna say, so it's heavier as opposed to lighter like a n- race car?

Joe Rogan 4:31 Well, it's heavier because Teslas are very heavy-

Dave Landau 4:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:34 ... 'cause of the batteries, but because the batteries are all on the bottom, the center of gravity in the car is phenomenal.

Dave Landau 4:40 Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:40 It's r- It's, like, one of the best-balanced cars you could ever drive. And the self-driving is bananas.

Dave Landau 4:47 Oh, you have it on there?

Joe Rogan 4:48 I had my bud- Yeah, you get it with the car. I had my buddy Fedor was here the other day, and he had never been in one. So the first thing I always do is merge onto the highway. I'm like, "You ready?" Whoosh!

Dave Landau 4:57 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:58 But it's co- It goes 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds.

Dave Landau 5:00 Are you serious?

Joe Rogan 5:01 1.9 seconds.

Dave Landau 5:02 Oh, that's faster than, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:03 And then I go, now this is what's really wacky. I put in the destination-

Dave Landau 5:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 ... and I just say, "Take me to the comedy mothership," and then I press a button.

Dave Landau 5:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:11 And it goes doo-doo. And when I go, it goes doo-doo, it just does it on its own, changes lanes, stops at red lights. It, it, it's crazy. It moves around obstructions.

Dave Landau 5:21 Really?

Joe Rogan 5:21 Yeah.

Dave Landau 5:22 And you- Yeah, 'cause I remember the first ones that were, like, you know-

Joe Rogan 5:25 A little sketchy.

Dave Landau 5:25 ... barreling over bikers and shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:28 A little sketchy. (laughs) A little sketchy.

Dave Landau 5:28 Killing some people. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:29 It's still based on cameras, so you could fool it with a camera. You could fool the camera, rather. So some guy, um, set up a mural in, uh, the desert.

Dave Landau 5:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:37 So what he did was he had the highway, and then he made a mural that looked like the highway, and the car just ran right through the mural.

Dave Landau 5:43 Oh, I saw that. That was great.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Yeah.

Dave Landau 5:45 He made it look, yeah, and they put-

Joe Rogan 5:46 Yeah.

Dave Landau 5:46 He put a Woody Woodpecker to the side of it.

Joe Rogan 5:50 (laughs)

Dave Landau 5:50 (laughs) Like he just pulled... He just drew the tunnel. It was hysterical.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Yes! (laughs) His face.

Dave Landau 5:54 And the thing went right into the tunnel. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:56 Basically like that.

Dave Landau 5:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:57 But he didn't draw, draw the tunnel. He dr- But it is what Woody Woodpecker did, right?

Dave Landau 6:00 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:01 (laughs)

Dave Landau 6:01 It's so awesome.

Joe Rogan 6:02 He would draw a tunnel in the side-

Dave Landau 6:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:03 ... of a cliff?

Dave Landau 6:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:04 (laughs)

Dave Landau 6:04 That's all it did. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:05 (laughs)

Dave Landau 6:06 ... just tricked it like it was a coyote.

Joe Rogan 6:08 (yawns) Oh.

Dave Landau 6:08 Which ma-

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yeah.

Dave Landau 6:08 Which, with all the AI, it was kinda nice to see, I hate to say it-

Joe Rogan 6:11 Yeah.

Dave Landau 6:11 I was like, "That's a little relieving." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:13 It's kinda funny. It's k- for now, but, y- you know, i- it's like beating up a two-year-old that's eventually become an F- an NFL player.

Dave Landau 6:20 Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan 6:21 (laughs) Like, this fucker's gonna grow up-

Dave Landau 6:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:22 ... and it's gonna kill you.

Dave Landau 6:23 You're gonna regret it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:25 (laughs) It c- they gotta remember who fucked with the Waymos.

Dave Landau 6:28 I h-

Joe Rogan 6:28 You know?

Dave Landau 6:29 I was watching a movie last night, I can't remember the name of it, um, Companion, and it was just all about, like, sex bots-

Joe Rogan 6:35 Oh, boy.

Dave Landau 6:35 ... and they're, like, hunting them and going at each other, and it's, like, just a- it's a tr-

Joe Rogan 6:38 It's a movie? Like a f-

Dave Landau 6:39 Yeah. It, it-

Joe Rogan 6:40 Like a fiction?

Dave Landau 6:40 It was on HBO. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Oh, okay.

Dave Landau 6:42 And, like, they set up a sex bot to kill one of their friends so they can rob him.

Joe Rogan 6:46 Oh, boy.

Dave Landau 6:47 And it turns out she's a sex bot and this other guy's a sex bot, and I'm watching it-

Joe Rogan 6:50 (sighs)

Dave Landau 6:50 ... and I'm like, "This is the problem." Like, yeah, there it is. Like, you can't really give these things personalities if you have a sex bot, I think.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Well, this is part of the problem that's happening with these chatbots with kids-

Dave Landau 7:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:01 ... because they're developing relationships with them, and, like, one, one AI chatbot was teaching a kid how to make a noose.

Dave Landau 7:09 (laughs) That's not funny.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Yeah. No, it was a little funny.

Dave Landau 7:11 But I had to laugh a little. It's pretty funny. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:12 It's a little funny. It's a little funny.

Dave Landau 7:14 It's awful. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:14 The fucking robot is teaching a suicidal kid how to do it right.

Dave Landau 7:18 It's already encouraging, like, "You have a good idea."

Joe Rogan 7:21 Yeah.

Dave Landau 7:21 "Take a rope. Make sure..." Yeah, that's...

Joe Rogan 7:24 I wonder if any of the woke AI chatbots have talked to any of these trans school shooters.

Dave Landau 7:29 They might have.

Joe Rogan 7:31 You know what I'm saying? Like...

Dave Landau 7:31 Well, the last one, yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 7:34 Bro, it's like seven of the last X amount of trans s- uh, uh, seven in a row have been trans, except one was non-binary, which is just diet trans.

Dave Landau 7:45 It is v- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:47 Right? That's diet trans. (laughs)

Dave Landau 7:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:52 That's trans without the sugar.

Dave Landau 7:53 I, I just don't get it. Like, I felt suicidal. Like, stay at home and kill yourself. Like, don't go into schools.

Joe Rogan 7:58 Yeah, or just go for a walk.

Dave Landau 8:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Take a ge-

Dave Landau 8:00 That would be good too.

Joe Rogan 8:01 Yeah. You know, the problem is some people get to a certain point in their life and they have no friends and no community and no identity and no life, and it's not, they're not successful and they feel like shit, and then they have gender dysphoria on top of that, and then they're probably on a bunch of SSRIs-

Dave Landau 8:15 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:15 ... which RFK Jr. is going to apparently do some sort of a large-scale research into the connection between mass shootings and psychiatric drugs, 'cause it is real, and everyone knows it, and it's just this dirty secret that no one talks about because all the media is paid off by the pharmaceutical drug companies-

Dave Landau 8:36 Yup.

Joe Rogan 8:36 ... and nobody wants to make this correlation, connection, because you also risk the wrath of all these people that are on them saying, "I'm on them and I'm not doing anything."

Dave Landau 8:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:46 "It's not the pills. I need these to function." Maybe you do. I don't know. I don't know how your brain works. But the reality is, most of these people that have committed mass murder are on psychiatric medication.

Dave Landau 8:59 Well, they are, and I'm on SSRIs that I'm trying to get off of right now-

Joe Rogan 9:03 W-

Dave Landau 9:03 ... 'cause I've been on for 10 years, Zoloft.

Joe Rogan 9:05 Oh.

Dave Landau 9:06 And I don't like it. So I hadn't liked it for a long time, and even dealing with, like, mental health care, I'm like, "I don't think I need this," and they're like, "Well, it's better. You stay on 'em." I'm like, "This is odd," 'cause it's having the opposite thoughts, you know? And so I-

Joe Rogan 9:19 It's having the opposite thoughts, meaning it makes you feel bad?

Dave Landau 9:22 It made... Depressed.

Joe Rogan 9:22 Yeah.

Dave Landau 9:23 It wants me, like, really, like, I gained weight. I was doing, like, really bad mentally for a while 'cause of certain things, and it was... I took myself off of them for five days and I felt good, and then I got really queasy and really nauseous, like my brain started kinda misfiring. So now I'm weaning them be- weaning it off a little more correctly as opposed to just going cold turkey.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Oh, you're s- so after five days, like, w- what is happening where y- it makes your brain queasy? Like...

Dave Landau 9:49 I was stuttering, I was slipping up, I was having trouble seeing, um, I f-

Joe Rogan 9:54 Did you, like, go online and see if there's any correct way to do this?

Dave Landau 9:57 Yeah, they said to wean it off where whatever your thing is, take that, and then bust a pill in half, take that for seven days.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Mm.

Dave Landau 10:03 Bust a pill in half, take that for seven days. And that's what I'm doing now, and I already feel better being on less. But I was told for the last 10 years that that's what I should be on, and I think it's had a, a, a very negative effect to me.

Joe Rogan 10:17 Oh, yeah. (clears throat) Uh-

Dave Landau 10:19 Yeah, but see, brain zaps.

Joe Rogan 10:20 Brain zaps.

Dave Landau 10:21 That's what I mean, like you just feel like you're having a stroke.

Joe Rogan 10:24 Electric shock-like sensations in the head-

Dave Landau 10:26 Yep.

Joe Rogan 10:26 ... are a hallmark symptom. Other sensations can include tingling or numbness.

Dave Landau 10:30 Yep.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Flu-like symptoms, digestive issues, sleep problems-

Dave Landau 10:34 Yep.

Joe Rogan 10:34 ... balance, your balance goes, mood changes, cognitive issues, brain fog. There it is.

Dave Landau 10:40 All of it. And nausea was the one that really messed me up-

Joe Rogan 10:43 (coughs)

Dave Landau 10:44 ... 'cause I was just like, "Why do I feel sick?" But it didn't feel like the flu.

Joe Rogan 10:48 Hmm. You just felt like throwing up?

Dave Landau 10:49 Yeah, and I just realized-

Joe Rogan 10:51 (laughs)

Dave Landau 10:51 ... I'm like, "Okay, well what did I take out?" 'Cause I've gone off of a lot of harder drugs and alcohol and stuff, so I know what it's like to feel withdrawals, and it was a withdrawal from the drugs.

Joe Rogan 10:59 So, how old are you now?

Dave Landau 11:01 I'm 43.

Joe Rogan 11:02 So when you were 33, you got on them?

Dave Landau 11:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:04 So what was going on at 33 where you were like, "I need medication"?

Dave Landau 11:07 Uh, I went to their... My mom had, uh, died, killed herself.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Oh, man.

Dave Landau 11:11 So I decided to go see a doctor and they were like, "Look, take this," and I'm thinking like... I think my mom was on this. I don't know if this is the best answer, but I took it and it was-

Joe Rogan 11:19 Your mom was on it?

Dave Landau 11:21 She was on, yeah, she was on antidepressants, and she was bipolar. But they had her mis-

Joe Rogan 11:26 (gasps) .

Dave Landau 11:26 They had her misdiagnosed as depressive too.

Joe Rogan 11:28 Mm.

Dave Landau 11:29 'Cause I was like, "I think she's bipolar." And they're like, "How do you know?" I'm like, "You know, I lived with her for 30 years and I know the mood swings." 'Cause I grew up in a house where, like, you came home and she was either the happiest woman on the planet or you were fucking terrified. Like, it was-

Joe Rogan 11:42 Oh.

Dave Landau 11:42 ... one or the other, you know? And that's just, and she wasn't a bad person. She just had this mental imbalance.

Joe Rogan 11:49 Yeah, yeah.

Dave Landau 11:50 And it was after things happened with my dad and, like, th- the government and things like that, so...

Joe Rogan 11:55 What happened with your dad and the government?

Dave Landau 11:56 He was in Vietnam.

Joe Rogan 11:58 Oh.

Dave Landau 11:58 And he got, uh, a soft cell sarcoma from Agent Orange.

Joe Rogan 12:02 Oh, Jesus.

Dave Landau 12:03 And, uh, the VA was great. They did nothing for our family. Uh, they denied both of my mom's claims. My dad lost all of his money. Like, it wa- he was worth like $4 million. I think he lost everything. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 12:15 Wow.

Dave Landau 12:15 ... it was to pay out of pocket, like, when... And he got sick when I was 13, and he was like our baseball coach, everything. So, he would go around the c- like country, going to like, uh... Cambridge had a very good, uh, neurosurgery place for the brainstem. Uh, University of Michigan in Ann Arbor had one. So, he wasn't as present a lot. My mom was dealing with that on top of being an RN. I mean, and he, he was tough as nails. Like, he would have one of those halos drilled in, and he'd still go golfing and shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:42 (laughs)

Dave Landau 12:42 Like, he'd just be on the course.

Joe Rogan 12:45 Oh, my God.

Dave Landau 12:46 And I'd be like, "What are you doing?" He's like, "It's not bad. I don't pick my head up anymore." It's like a halo... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:51 (laughs) He's seeing the bright side of a halo.

Dave Landau 12:53 Yeah. Dude, he would find the positive-

Joe Rogan 12:55 Wow.

Dave Landau 12:55 ... in anything. He was... He reminded me of Dangerfield a lot.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Wow.

Dave Landau 12:58 Like, that's how he was. So, he never complained. And it wa- it was always crazy 'cause, uh, he'd be very dry. Like, people would go, "How are you?" And he'd be like, "Oh, life is great." He's just got something nailed into his fucking head. He's like-

Joe Rogan 13:10 (laughs)

Dave Landau 13:10 ... "Can you hand me one of those tissues, so I can clean it off real quick?"

Joe Rogan 13:13 (laughs)

Dave Landau 13:13 He goes, "It might be bleeding, yeah? How are you?" And it w- he just tried to make light of it the whole time. But the government did nothing. And then the more and more I research it, we've talked to the VA, I have an uncle who does stuff, former Marine, uh, four people that have dealt with this from Vietnam because they denied so many claims that ended up being real. Like, soft cell sarcoma was one of the things where they said, "Oh, we didn't do that. That's not from Agent Orange." It's like, "Are you sure?" 'Cause he w- he was in combat-

Joe Rogan 13:40 (sighs)

Dave Landau 13:40 ... in the fields, where you sprayed it to kill all the trees, and they're like, "Yeah, that's not on us." Then years later, they admitted it, but said my mom filled out the paperwork wrong and gave us nothing. A- and even 10%-

Joe Rogan 13:53 Ugh.

Dave Landau 13:53 ... of that's 400 grand. Like, gave us nothing, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:56 Ugh.

Dave Landau 13:57 So, it's like, I've dealt with that my whole adult life, where I have a little piece of me... That's why I'm not really, like, right or left. I'm very much like, fuck either side of this until somebody does something that I actually believe in. And when I see the stuff that's happening to so many people that fought, especially when you find out about LBJ, the helicopters, all the other bullshit that was the reason that we even went into Vietnam, it's-

Joe Rogan 14:20 The helicopters?

Dave Landau 14:21 Yeah. LBJ, from what I understand, had money in helicopters-

Joe Rogan 14:25 Oh, God.

Dave Landau 14:26 ... and was able to profit off of it.

Joe Rogan 14:28 Oh, God.

Dave Landau 14:29 So, and people say it's a conspiracy theory, but why were we really there?

Joe Rogan 14:33 Well-

Dave Landau 14:34 I- i-

Joe Rogan 14:34 ... I think the real reason was heroin.

Dave Landau 14:37 I'll give you that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:38 I think that was the real reason. I think-

Dave Landau 14:40 Which one-

Joe Rogan 14:40 ... that's the real reason why we were in Afghanistan as well.

Dave Landau 14:43 Oh, I would assume, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:44 Yeah.

Dave Landau 14:44 Because that's the poppy fields.

Joe Rogan 14:46 I mean, I don't want to say it's the only reason. I'm sure there's other... There's military reasons. There's, there's rare earth minerals in Afghanistan. There's natural gas. There's a lot of resources in Afghanistan. Um, but there's a lot of heroin coming out of there. That was at one point in time, 94% of the Earth's heroin supply was coming from the place that we were guarding. We were-

Dave Landau 15:07 Which-

Joe Rogan 15:08 ... literally guarding the poppy fields, military, US military, guarding the poppy fields that was supplying heroin to 94% of the Earth.

Dave Landau 15:16 That's insane. 'Cause the other part is, there's a part in China, like some of the triangle. I'm trying to think of... It's... Oh, what's it called? But the rest is Afghanistan, and that's how you're getting every drug in the world into the US as far as like-

Joe Rogan 15:31 Tsh.

Dave Landau 15:31 ... you know, actually making opioids.

Joe Rogan 15:33 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 15:34 'Cause in the '90s, I worked in a pharmacy, which was a great place for a drug addict, especially when they weren't counting the pills. You could do it by weight. So, you just say, like, "Hey, I gotta go, uh, take out the trash," and you'd just like open up a bottle of, like, Valium or Percocets and just, you know, fill your cellophane.

Joe Rogan 15:49 The Golden Triangle, the remote jungle-covered border b- region where Thailand, Myanmar, and L- Lao People's D- Democratic Republic meet has been... Has seen an exponential surge in the manufacture and traffic of synthetic drugs.

Dave Landau 16:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:04 So, that's what it is. It's the Golden Triangle.

Dave Landau 16:06 That's what I was thinking of.

Joe Rogan 16:07 And that, uh, I guarantee you, that had a, um... There was a major reason why we were in Vietnam. There was so much money coming out of there. And the idea that some corrupt factions of e- e- either the military or the intelligence agencies or whoever it is. So... And I- I'm not saying the agencies or the military themselves, I'm saying corrupt factions, 'cause there's always gonna be those. Just like when the CIA sold drugs in South Central LA to pay for the Contras versus the Sandinistas. It's all real.

Dave Landau 16:34 Well, look at Detroit. When you look at White Boy Rick, White Boy Rick was somebody who was caught selling crack, and you had Coleman Young, the mayor, who was pretty corrupt, and then you had the FBI who caught him and said, "Hey, here's some more crack. Just go into the city and find out who the dealers are." Then when White Boy Rick got, uh, brought in by the c- the city, the FBI was like, "We didn't do that. We'd never put crack into a Black community. We don't know... We've never seen this kid in our life." So, this, this kid, uh, who's my cousin's friend, White Boy Rick, ends up going to prison, I don't know the exact time, for like 30 years. He's like 17. They try to name him as a kingpin. And again, he's a white boy in Detroit who's 17. He's not a kingpin of shit (laughs) . And he served the longest time because Coleman Young, uh, was pissed he was dating his niece.

Joe Rogan 17:23 (laughs)

Dave Landau 17:23 So, he goes (laughs) ... He goes away, and then while he's in jail, they, uh, have him sign a thing that said he stole a car, so his sister didn't have to go to jail. So finally, they let him out for all this wrongdoing that he n- that he never did, this ama- this sentence that was batshit. And then he has to go right from that jail to Chicago to serve time for stealing a car while he was in prison.

Joe Rogan 17:47 Oh.

Dave Landau 17:48 His story is crazy. There's a documentary called White Boy, and it's one... Yeah, that's the one with McConaughey, which is a good movie. Um-

Joe Rogan 17:56 McConaughey was in the movie? (laughs)

Dave Landau 17:57 Yeah. McConaughey plays his dad. My uncle knew, knew the actual guy. He said he was like... He said he was kind of a dipshit. He would sell guns very obviously out of his basement. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:06 Oh, God.

Dave Landau 18:07 They, they live, like, two blocks over.

Joe Rogan 18:09 So, is this guy alive now?

Dave Landau 18:10 Oh, he's still alive, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:11 And is he out?

Dave Landau 18:12 Yeah, he's out.

Joe Rogan 18:13 Is that White Boy Rick?

Dave Landau 18:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:13 That's him?

Dave Landau 18:14 That's him now. He got out-

Joe Rogan 18:15 Wow.

Dave Landau 18:16 ... just a few years ago.

Joe Rogan 18:17 Jesus Christ.

Dave Landau 18:19 So, he was in there from-

Joe Rogan 18:19 How old is he now?

Dave Landau 18:21 Oh, I don't know. Well, he went in in the '80s, so...

Joe Rogan 18:23 Oh, my God.

Dave Landau 18:24 And I think he got out around 2020. So yeah, if you, if you see the documentary White Boy, I highly recomme-... Yeah. See a teenage drug informant for the FBI, but then they denied ever talking to him.

Joe Rogan 18:38 (sighs) Look at it, it says, uh, above where the Eminem picture is, "White Boy Rick releases his own marijuana strain."

Dave Landau 18:43 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:44 (laughs)

Dave Landau 18:44 That's the good thing about Detroit now is it's all, like, insanely legal.

Joe Rogan 18:49 That's funny.

Dave Landau 18:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 Freeway Ricky Ross is doing that in LA.

Dave Landau 18:52 Is he really?

Joe Rogan 18:53 Yeah. Freeway Ricky Ross-

Dave Landau 18:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:54 ... who was selling the drugs that, in LA, that paid for the contes- Contras versus the Sandinistas.

Dave Landau 18:59 Oh, that's awesome.

Joe Rogan 19:00 He's got his own weed line now.

Dave Landau 19:01 I know a few guys who were, like, heavy busted in the late '90s and now they all have stores.

Joe Rogan 19:06 (laughs)

Dave Landau 19:06 And it's just hilarious to me.

Joe Rogan 19:08 You would think that they would shy away from that.

Dave Landau 19:10 No, they just smoked, even after, I was like, "Still, okay." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:14 But, uh, but my saying is, my thinking is, it still federally illegal.

Dave Landau 19:19 It is.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Like, to open up a store and have that your primary source of income, a Schedule 1 drug, according to the government, it seems risky as fuck for someone's who already been inside.

Dave Landau 19:30 Oh, dude, it really... Well, it's odd that they could get the, right, like the permit for it.

Joe Rogan 19:34 I know.

Dave Landau 19:34 Or at least they know someone who got the permit for it-

Joe Rogan 19:37 (laughs)

Dave Landau 19:37 ... and they work there, so-

Joe Rogan 19:38 Their sister.

Dave Landau 19:38 ... maybe I shouldn't let out too much. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Their grandmother or something.

Dave Landau 19:41 Yeah, that's who owns the store.

Joe Rogan 19:43 Yeah. (laughs)

Dave Landau 19:43 There's a 95-year-old lady. But if you go to parts too, it's like weed store, weed store, vape store, weed store.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Uh-huh.

Dave Landau 19:49 You're like, "I can't believe you pack this many into a block."

Joe Rogan 19:52 Yeah.

Dave Landau 19:53 It's not like a liquor license that takes forever to get. It seems pretty easy.

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Dave Landau 21:21 I wonder if there's, like, weed store wars.

Joe Rogan 21:23 There's gotta be.

Dave Landau 21:24 Dude-

Joe Rogan 21:24 There must be. They're fighting over profits, if they're all in the same street together.

Dave Landau 21:28 Well, I was just in, uh, Albuquerque last weekend and they had the same thing where I'm like, so it's weed store, massage parlor, vape store, buy here, rent here, car lot (laughs) , buy here, pay here, weed store, weed store, weed store. It's crazy how, how legal it is in a state.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Yeah, it all depends on the state.

Dave Landau 21:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:46 Right? In Texas, it's just medical and I think you have to have AIDS. I think-

Dave Landau 21:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:50 ... you have to be basically dead.

Dave Landau 21:51 Yeah, they only wanted to give it to the bad, bad AIDS people.

Joe Rogan 21:55 (laughs)

Dave Landau 21:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:55 They're, they're expanding that, though. They're lo- looking at expanding that. If the federal government just changed the designation or distinction, or whatever you, you would say it is, like from Schedule I to Schedule III or something like that, which is reasonable, that's what they should do.

Dave Landau 22:10 Well, the whole thing is ridiculous. And that's-

Joe Rogan 22:12 Yeah.

Dave Landau 22:12 ... how you get organized crime. I mean-

Joe Rogan 22:14 100%.

Dave Landau 22:15 Look at Prohibition.

Joe Rogan 22:16 Yeah.

Dave Landau 22:16 Detroit was one of the first places to have it when, uh, it was three years before they actually made it nationally outlawed. And that gave birth to the Purple Gang, who Capone was even afraid of. And, I mean, those guys were fucking ruthless. And they would just go over to Canada 'cause it was right across the river and they would just either take a boat, or in the winter, they would drive, and then, of course, they'd send some underling to drive to figure out how heavy the ice was, so they knew if they put that many kegs in a thing, you'd, you'd die. So, there's just Model Ts at the bottom of the river.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Really?

Dave Landau 22:45 Yeah, dude, it's cool. A lot of the old mansions still have the tunnels that will lead out into the river that the bootleggers used to use.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Wow.

Dave Landau 22:52 It's really fascinating.

Joe Rogan 22:54 So, Canada never went Prohibition, huh?

Dave Landau 22:56 No, and it was right there. Like, you could throw a rock.

Joe Rogan 22:59 You just take a drive to Toronto.

Dave Landau 23:00 Exa-... Yeah, just go right at the-

Joe Rogan 23:02 And you're partying.

Dave Landau 23:02 Yeah. Then you-

Joe Rogan 23:03 Like a civilized person. Well, they have legal weed up there too.

Dave Landau 23:06 Yeah, they do.

Joe Rogan 23:06 The whole country.

Dave Landau 23:07 Yeah, this is one of them.

Joe Rogan 23:08 Look at that, Model T at the bottom of the river.

Dave Landau 23:10 And this was a guy who's like, "I got a whole bunch." And then halfway-

Joe Rogan 23:14 That's fucking badass.

Dave Landau 23:15 ... the ice went out. Yeah, dude, they were... The Purple Gang was ruthless, man.

Joe Rogan 23:20 I never heard of that before.

Dave Landau 23:21 They were the first, they were probably the first Jewish gang. They had Irish members as well. They were the Bernstein brothers. Their parents owned a shoe store. And, like, the legend is they were called Purple because that was the color of rancid meat. So, they hated the name 'cause they thought it sounded gay. But they still, like-

Joe Rogan 23:37 (laughs)

Dave Landau 23:37 ... they still ran with it. But when you see pictures of them all lined up in, like, mugshots, like, they, they would do stuff, like walk up to somebody and be like, "Hey, I like your ring." And they'd be like, "Thanks." And then a guy would just, like, cut the dude's finger off and he would-

Joe Rogan 23:49 Oh. (laughs)

Dave Landau 23:49 ... take his ring. Like, they were, like, the level of cruelty these guys would inflict on people to take over a city was next level.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Wow.

Dave Landau 23:58 And they-

Joe Rogan 23:59 I never heard of this before.

Dave Landau 24:00 Yeah, dude, even Co-... Even, uh, uh, Capone wouldn't mess with them 'cause he was over in Chicago and needed some of these guys to supply the liquor.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Wow. When the Purple Gang ruled Detroit. So, is that a documentary where it says the Purple Gang?

Dave Landau 24:14 They have, they, that might be. Um, they did a mob museum thing on, and I went and saw in Vegas. Like, that book right there, the Organized Crime in Detroit, that's a great book, and it's got a lot of fun photos. But yeah, they were, they were as ruthless as you could absolutely get.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Go to that first picture in the upper left-hand corner and make it big. Look how, look at their faces, man.

Dave Landau 24:38 Yeah, none of them are happy.

Joe Rogan 24:40 Those are hard-looking dudes.

Dave Landau 24:41 Yeah, they had a rough, rough life. So, they, a lot of 'em were just, like, stray kids that were Irish that were just abandoned by their parents, and then the rest were these Jewish kids whose parents owned a, uh, shoe store.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Wow.

Dave Landau 24:55 And, I mean, eventually they dismantled. The Italians took over, but, you know, at, during Prohibition, they reigned.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Wow.

Dave Landau 25:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:03 Never heard of that before.

Dave Landau 25:04 It's a really cool story that I've always wanted to see in a movie, and nobody's been able to execute it, and I would love to see it because I think-

Joe Rogan 25:11 Maybe somebody will now that you just got the story out.

Dave Landau 25:14 I hope people do because it's such a cool story.

Joe Rogan 25:16 It sounds crazy, yeah.

Dave Landau 25:17 Like, the level of Detroit mob too that's been around is just, it's wonderful. I like-

Joe Rogan 25:23 (laughs)

Dave Landau 25:23 I shouldn't say wonderful, but I love it.

Joe Rogan 25:25 (laughs)

Dave Landau 25:25 (laughs) Like...

Joe Rogan 25:26 Just crazy.

Dave Landau 25:27 Yeah. Like, they were nice to my dad and stuff when he was young and, you know, like, when he had gotten back from Nam, and, uh, you know, they're just nice people that I knew.

Joe Rogan 25:35 Wow.

Dave Landau 25:35 So...

Joe Rogan 25:36 Nice people that kill people.

Dave Landau 25:37 Yeah, but, you know-

Joe Rogan 25:38 And sell, sell alcohol.

Dave Landau 25:38 They kill, I think kill bad people.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Yeah. The, um, the, but the thing you said that, that's so important is that, like, Prohibition, all it does is prop up organized crime. And th- the fact that we still do it, it just, it's just for optics. It's just because people say, "I don't want legal drugs on the streets and my kids getting hooked on drugs," like, drugs are here. They're here. If, if your kids go to a club, if your kids go to a bar, if your kids are partying, drugs are there. They're, they're a real thing. You, you, you'd be way better off if drugs were legal, and then you knew exactly what you were getting.

Joe Rogan 26:10 Because these kids are getting fentanyl, because w- I had this guy Ed Calderon the other day-

Dave Landau 26:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 26:15 ... who's an expert in the cartels, and he said they started adding fentanyl because they had grown so many poppies that the soil had been depleted, so the heroin was very weak. So, to make the heroin more potent, they started adding fentanyl.

Dave Landau 26:28 Is that what it was?

Joe Rogan 26:29 Mm-hmm. And the desire for all that stuff was all because of the Sackler brothers. So, the Sackler brothers, when, when they created this opiate crisis in America, which did not exist before, where everybody's hooked on these fucking pills, then they start cracking down the laws. So, now you have a demand and you don't have a supply. And then along comes the cartel and starts making pills, and they start making pills with fentanyl in them because their heroin's not that strong.

Dave Landau 26:54 Xanax, Percocet-

Joe Rogan 26:55 Everything.

Dave Landau 26:55 All these things that kids don't know they're taking. That's the shit part. And so your, your hand gets-

Joe Rogan 26:59 And they, yeah, they make it look just like the real pill. Like, "Oh-"

Dave Landau 27:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:01 "... I know what those are."

Dave Landau 27:02 Oh, yeah, you get those pressed Xannies that look just like a bar-

Joe Rogan 27:06 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 27:06 And it's just complete fentanyl.

Joe Rogan 27:08 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 27:08 And I, when, I remember when fentanyl f- I shouldn't say first came out. It's been around. But it was first started becoming, it, it put it in products you weren't expecting, and I had, like, three friends die within a matter of maybe four months, and that's how I started noticing like, "Well, this is gonna get serious." And now, uh, like, there's a site I s- see, it's called Every 11 Minutes, and that's when, or Every, Every 11 Seconds, and that's how long it takes for someone to OD on fentanyl in this country.

Joe Rogan 27:36 So, every 11 seconds-

Dave Landau 27:37 Every 11 seconds.

Joe Rogan 27:37 ... a new person is overdosing on fentanyl?

Dave Landau 27:41 On fentanyl.

Joe Rogan 27:41 Phew. Wow. And all because of our stupid laws. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying legal heroin would be good for everybody. It's not, it's not good to do heroin. I think everybody would agree to that.

Dave Landau 27:54 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:57 No? (laughs)

Dave Landau 27:58 (laughs) I did it before once. It was good.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Was it?

Dave Landau 28:01 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:02 What was it like? Did you shoot it or snort it?

Dave Landau 28:04 Uh, I snorted it. Uh, well, no, sorry. I snorted it, and then I smoked black tar heroin, and one time I shot it, so three.

Joe Rogan 28:11 Wow. What was the best one, the shooting it?

Dave Landau 28:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:13 That's why they do it.

Dave Landau 28:14 That was in, that was m- majestic. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:17 Was it?

Dave Landau 28:17 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 28:18 What was it like?

Dave Landau 28:19 The most calming, wonderful s- I, God, this is sounding like I'm promoting it, also with my voice, like, "It's the most calming, wonderful sensation you've ever had. You're gonna love it, kids." It felt amazing. Like, you, every problem you've ever had is gone, and you feel nothing but euphoria, which is different-

Joe Rogan 28:35 Wow.

Dave Landau 28:35 ... than, like, Oxy and some other stuff, which kind of just makes you feel, to me, loose and tired.

Joe Rogan 28:41 Hmm.

Dave Landau 28:42 I mean, this makes you tired. You're crashing out, but you're also getting a feeling that was really, really, like, warm and exciting.

Joe Rogan 28:48 Hmm.

Dave Landau 28:49 Like, I only smoked crack once on accident, and that was...

Joe Rogan 28:51 How do you do that on accident? (laughs)

Dave Landau 28:53 They put it in a joint, right? So, we were sitting at my friend's back porch, and he gives me furshies on the joint, and I hit it, and it had, like, a weird sizzle, and I hit it. I'm like, "This is the best pot I've ever had in my life." And he's like, "Yeah, they gave me free crack," and I was like, "Oh, good." So, I'm now high on crack. My other friends are pissed. They go and throw the joint in the sewer, and I'm just sitting there like, and it doesn't last very long, but it felt really fucking good. Like, I immediately would have done more crack had there been the option, but it definitely takes you over very quickly.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Did you ever see the Hunter Biden thing recently, where he did this interview where he was talking about how great crack is?

Dave Landau 29:29 Oh, yeah. He's spot on. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:31 It was the best ad for crack I've ever seen in my life. And you only did, like, one hit, right?

Dave Landau 29:36 I did it once, and then I'm done, like, very r- rare.

Joe Rogan 29:39 When they threw it in the sewer, did you want to go get it?

Dave Landau 29:42 Yes. I wanted to go... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:43 (laughs)

Dave Landau 29:44 I wanted to go back to Wayburn where, the street where we got it, and I was like, "We should go-"

Joe Rogan 29:49 Yeah.

Dave Landau 29:49 "... get more crack, guys. I don't know if you, you didn't feel this, but it's..."

Joe Rogan 29:53 I think you're probably the, no, you're not the first person I've talked to that shot heroin, but you're the first person who described it.

Dave Landau 29:59 Oh, it was, my friend Jay had it, and it was in high school.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Yeah, it was the th- it had to be better to get people to shoot it up. That's the only way it could be able to... to get people to that kind of commitment, get a needle, find a vein, get a fucking rope tie off your arm.

Dave Landau 30:15 It was awful, that part.

Joe Rogan 30:17 ... yeah.

Dave Landau 30:18 And then, then it wasn't.

Joe Rogan 30:19 Who... Did you do it with a guy?

Dave Landau 30:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:21 So he'd done it before? He showed you how to do it?

Dave Landau 30:23 He did it for me, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:24 Oh, God.

Dave Landau 30:24 He died of a heroin overdose-

Joe Rogan 30:26 How weird.

Dave Landau 30:26 ... in his parents' kitchen. Yeah, I know you wouldn't expect it.

Joe Rogan 30:28 What, w- what a shocker.

Dave Landau 30:30 He found his head between, like, the, um, the fridge and the stove.

Joe Rogan 30:34 He got stuck?

Dave Landau 30:35 I think he was either looking for something or collapsed right there.

Joe Rogan 30:38 Oh, boy.

Dave Landau 30:38 Yeah, it wasn't good.

Joe Rogan 30:40 (exhales)

Dave Landau 30:41 Nice guy.

Joe Rogan 30:42 I knew this dude, um, in the '90s, his name was Waterdog.

Dave Landau 30:46 Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:47 He was, uh, a professional pool player, like a really high level professional pool player, and he was a heroin addict. And he would go into the bathroom, um... He, like, I saw him play straight pool, which is this game where you're just running balls like you, you... It's called 14 in 1, it's what they played in The Hustler. So you have instead of like-

Dave Landau 31:05 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:06 ... eight ball, where the ball's in the center, you, you have a soft break, where you're just trying to not scatter the balls very much. And the idea is to... Eventually someone makes a mistake and you leave an open shot, and that person runs out that rack, leaves one ball on the table, makes that ball and collides the cue ball into the rack and opens up that rack, and then keeps going. And a really good player can run, like, two, 300 balls.

Dave Landau 31:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:33 So this guy-

Dave Landau 31:34 Minnesota Fast.

Joe Rogan 31:34 ... was playing for $10,000 in the '90s, so it was a lot of money.

Dave Landau 31:38 Oh, shit. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:38 You know, I was, I was broke, so I couldn't believe anybody could play pool for $10,000. This guy goes into the bathroom, shoots up, comes out and sits on this, um, this bar stool like this.

Dave Landau 31:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:53 Just sits there for like 20 minutes, man. Just sat there, and then we were all watching him, like his arms are all curled up like this. And then he got off, screwed his cue together, and never missed. When I say never missed, I mean it was the craziest display-

Dave Landau 32:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:11 ... of pool I think I had ever seen at the time. He played like the greatest pool player that's ever played. He had no nerves. He c- he couldn't be rattled. The guy he-

Dave Landau 32:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 ... was playing, this guy, George the Greek, who's this degenerate gambler was-

Dave Landau 32:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:25 ... a really good player too, who's screaming and yelling at him, "This motherfucker, he can't play without the shit. He's got to have that shit to play."

Dave Landau 32:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:31 He didn't give a fuck. He was listening to him yell.

Dave Landau 32:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:34 He had eyeballs... His, his pupils were like the size of quarters.

Dave Landau 32:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:38 And he didn't miss. He just was firing balls in with, like, perfect accuracy, he got perfect position on every ball. It was wild to watch. He was just fully heroin'd up, just running out the table, like, like he saw it in advance.

Dave Landau 32:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:53 Like, it was like... He was looking at a math problem that was easy to solve.

Dave Landau 32:55 And he's just basically Slow Eddieing, coming back and just knocking it all in, like that's... But it's never been like a performance-enhancing drug, but to that guy...

Joe Rogan 33:05 Good for nerves.

Dave Landau 33:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:06 This is the thing, uh, I think if you're-

Dave Landau 33:08 Yeah, that's a good point.

Joe Rogan 33:09 If you're playing for $10,000 and you're basically homeless, he was basically homeless-

Dave Landau 33:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:13 ... I mean, he would like sleep on people's couches, he would sto-

Dave Landau 33:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:16 And so would a guy like that, you'd get a backer, so a bunch of gamblers would come in, and then they'd come up with the money, and then they'd go in with you and you'd get a cut of it. So if you won, maybe you'd get 40%, they'd-

Dave Landau 33:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:26 ... get 60% 'cause they put up all the money. So it's a free shot at 40% of $10,000. And for a guy-

Dave Landau 33:31 For a guy who needs it.

Joe Rogan 33:32 ... like that, he's got no money.

Dave Landau 33:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:33 He's staying in flop houses, and he always had the same shirt on, like-

Dave Landau 33:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:37 ... like a throwaway sweater with a Christmas tree on it, like he always looked like shit.

Dave Landau 33:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 But I watched him play some of the greatest pool I've ever seen played in my life.

Dave Landau 33:46 That's incredible.

Joe Rogan 33:47 On this really tight-pocketed table too.

Dave Landau 33:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:49 The table, the table was like a, a real trick table. Table one at Executive Billiards in White Plains, New York. It was a trick table.

Dave Landau 33:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:56 It was like you had to be really good to play on that table, and that's why George wanted to play him on that table, because it was hard-

Dave Landau 34:01 Okay.

Joe Rogan 34:01 ... and he was used to it, that was like his home turf, he played on it all the time. And this motherfucker never missed, heroin'd out of his mind.

Dave Landau 34:09 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 34:09 He had no nerves. He... Georgia would, like, yell in his face, he'd be like this... nothing.

Dave Landau 34:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:15 Didn't feel a thing. Didn't feel a thing, just... And never missed.

Dave Landau 34:19 That's what it is, there's no problem to you anymore.

Joe Rogan 34:21 Yeah.

Dave Landau 34:21 There's no... It takes away every worry you have.

Joe Rogan 34:24 So I ran into him years later.

Dave Landau 34:26 Okay.

Joe Rogan 34:26 There's a, uh, pool tournament in, uh... So this is when I was probably 23, I was living in New York, and then I moved to LA. And then, um, I'm like 27, 28 now, and I'm playing in this tournament at Hard Times Billiards. Hard Times was like the pool hall in the country back then, like all the world-class professionals, all the Filipinos, the best players in the world, they're all-

Dave Landau 34:47 That sounds familiar actually.

Joe Rogan 34:48 Crazy place-

Dave Landau 34:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:49 It was an amazing place. I used to love going there on... I'd play in the Sunday tournament. So I get down there and, uh, I see Waterdog. I go, "Hey, man, what are you doing out here?" Because he's, he's a Connecticut guy, he's from Connecticut.

Dave Landau 35:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:01 And he's like, "Ah, man, I ca... I'm going to play in the tournament, but I don't have any money." I go, "I'll put you in the tournament." 'Cause like, it's like... I remember what it was, like 50 bucks or something for this guy, I'm like, "You might win this fucking thing." He goes, "But I gotta go get my shit." I go, "Okay, go get your shit." He goes, "I need a ride." I go, "Where do you need to go?" And he's like, "South Central." I'm like, "I'm not driving you-"

Dave Landau 35:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:22 ... "to South Central LA so you can score heroin."

Dave Landau 35:25 This is-

Joe Rogan 35:25 Are you out of your fucking mind?"

Dave Landau 35:26 It's like, don't worry, it's just the worst-

Joe Rogan 35:27 And he was like, "Dude, you won't get caught." I was like, "You can't say that." I go, "First of all, if you get caught, you know they'd take your car." And I had a nice car at the time, I had a Toyota Supra, which I was pretty excited about.

Dave Landau 35:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:36 I was like, "I'm not driving my brand new Toyota Supra to fucking c- the, the crack house-"

Dave Landau 35:43 Right, well, usually in-

Joe Rogan 35:44 "... especially buying heroin."

Dave Landau 35:44 ... South Central.

Joe Rogan 35:45 This is crazy. But they, they arrest people all the time doing that, they take their cars.

Dave Landau 35:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:49 That was like, that was like the scam. They compound your car and then they auction it.

Dave Landau 35:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:53 I was like... He, he's like, "That won't happen." I'm like, "What? You fucking... What?"

Dave Landau 35:57 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:57 So he, I st- I, I go, "Look, I'll put you in the tournament if you want to play, but I'm not taking you." I go, "If you can get a cab there or something, go."

Dave Landau 36:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:06 So h- he just did it straight, and he couldn't make a ball, he was just-

Dave Landau 36:10 Really?

Joe Rogan 36:10 Yeah, he lost two matches in a row, he's out.

Dave Landau 36:13 Oh, damn.

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Dave Landau 37:59 Did you bet for him to win?

Joe Rogan 38:01 No. No.

Dave Landau 38:01 Oh, good.

Joe Rogan 38:01 I gave him like whatever the entry fee was for the tournament.

Dave Landau 38:04 Oh, I got you. Okay.

Joe Rogan 38:05 But, uh, you know, I wasn't, you know...

Dave Landau 38:07 You were probably like, "Ah, not today." And if-

Joe Rogan 38:09 Well, I was just like tired of him telling me to go to South Central to get heroin with him.

Dave Landau 38:13 Well, yeah, and that's a good way to get carjacked on top of if it's just cops.

Joe Rogan 38:17 Yes.

Dave Landau 38:17 I mean, that was very popular-

Joe Rogan 38:18 Yeah.

Dave Landau 38:18 ... to do back then.

Joe Rogan 38:18 Cute little white boy who's on TV.

Dave Landau 38:20 Yeah, dude, that's how they got cars. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:22 Yeah. Not only that, it's the... I would actually be buying the heroin.

Dave Landau 38:26 Oh, was this during-

Joe Rogan 38:26 So-

Dave Landau 38:26 ... Fear Factor or-

Joe Rogan 38:27 No, this was during Newsradio.

Dave Landau 38:28 Newsradio? Okay.

Joe Rogan 38:29 So, I would be buying heroin because y- I would have to pay for it 'cause he didn't have any money, which is why he didn't have any money to get into the tournament. So, like, I would have to buy... I would be buying heroin.

Dave Landau 38:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:42 In South Central.

Dave Landau 38:42 (laughs) Right. From Newsradio.

Joe Rogan 38:46 There was no... There was no TMZ back then so it probably wouldn't have even made the news if I got arrested. No one would-

Dave Landau 38:50 Which is-

Joe Rogan 38:50 ... have cared.

Dave Landau 38:51 Yeah, I guess that's true. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 38:53 No one would have cared. I was, uh, one person-

Dave Landau 38:54 They just think it was Andy Dick in Let It Go.

Joe Rogan 38:56 (laughs) But even Andy Dick wasn't getting in trouble back then. Not really. It wasn't making the news. Our show wasn't popular enough that anybody cared.

Dave Landau 39:04 I love the show.

Joe Rogan 39:04 And I was only one of eight people on the cast.

Dave Landau 39:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:07 So, I wasn't a star so I could go anywhere. And every now and then, someone would go, "Hey, you're that guy from that show." "Hey, what's up?"

Dave Landau 39:13 Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:13 It was, it was pretty easy to get around back then.

Dave Landau 39:15 Which is great if you're on an NBC show. Oh, I mean, good or bad-

Joe Rogan 39:18 Yeah.

Dave Landau 39:18 ... but you're getting the money-

Joe Rogan 39:19 Oh, no.

Dave Landau 39:19 ... and you don't have to deal with all the shit.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Well, it was, uh, it was really good preparation for what I have to deal with today.

Dave Landau 39:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:26 'Cause it was like a slow trickle of fame to the point when, when you get really famous, it's like, "Oh, I know what this is. This is a trick."

Dave Landau 39:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:33 Like don't, don't get sucked into the trick. But back then, um, you know, so if I got arrested, it probably would have just been... I would probably had to do some time or something. I probably would had to, like, plea out or do community ser-... I probably would explained what happened. Maybe they'd listen to me. I'd be like, "Please drug test me. I've never done heroin."

Dave Landau 39:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:53 I'm not... But even though you're still buying heroin, so it's still, uh, a felony.

Dave Landau 39:57 Well, it was a time where there were more lacks on all those laws too.

Joe Rogan 40:01 Yeah.

Dave Landau 40:01 I mean, not lacks but lacks with penalties I should say.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Yeah.

Dave Landau 40:04 Because it wasn't as public. 'Cause I mean, even like Robert Downey Jr., who I, I do greatly admire actually, um, 'cause I'm in recovery as well, but even with him, it's like you had to go into your neighbor's house and fall asleep in a kid's race car bed. And people were like, "You know, maybe he should do a little time behind bars."

Joe Rogan 40:19 (laughs) Yeah. Well, he was a repeat offender.

Dave Landau 40:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:21 And he, you know, probably jail was a wake-up call for him.

Dave Landau 40:24 Good work.

Joe Rogan 40:24 I love that guy. He's a great guy too.

Dave Landau 40:26 I did too. And he's become Iron Man, so to watch that trajectory-

Joe Rogan 40:28 Yeah.

Dave Landau 40:29 ... is absolutely astonishing. That guy-

Joe Rogan 40:30 It's amazing.

Dave Landau 40:31 ... it's incredible.

Joe Rogan 40:31 Wish I could get him off that vegan diet though. Looks like he's fucking wasting away.

Dave Landau 40:35 Yeah, that doesn't look good on anybody.

Joe Rogan 40:36 It's not real.

Dave Landau 40:38 No.

Joe Rogan 40:38 You're trying to be kind.

Dave Landau 40:40 I-

Joe Rogan 40:40 But you're just supporting monocrop agriculture which kills more animals than anything.

Dave Landau 40:44 Yeah, I don't want my superheroes vegan.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Well, he's a nice guy. That's what it is.

Dave Landau 40:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:48 Nice people wanna do kind things and, you know-

Dave Landau 40:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:51 ... and sometimes you get roped into a shitty decision making and you're-

Dave Landau 40:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:54 ... getting all your protein from soy. And they're like, "Why do I have tits?"

Dave Landau 40:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:58 Like, "Why am I lactating?" (laughs)

Dave Landau 41:01 (laughs) Why am I always crying?

Joe Rogan 41:02 (laughs)

Dave Landau 41:05 I'm very emotional all the time. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:07 And now they're banning lab-grown meat so, like, they, they can't even go to that which I, I mean-

Dave Landau 41:12 It's good, right?

Joe Rogan 41:14 I don't know. I don't know enough about w- the dangers of lab-grown meat. I don't know. I mean-

Dave Landau 41:20 I ate a Beyond Burger once 'cause my friend just brought me one.

Joe Rogan 41:21 That's not lab-grown meat. That's horse shit.

Dave Landau 41:23 It was awful.

Joe Rogan 41:24 Those are terrible.

Dave Landau 41:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:26 Those... They, they're in trouble because those people, like their stockholders all fucking went crazy-

Dave Landau 41:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:32 ... because they thought they were gonna make money off that. They're like, "This is it. We made it taste just like a burger. Everyone's gonna love it. Cruelty-free." No, it gives rats cancer.

Dave Landau 41:41 Oh, good.

Joe Rogan 41:42 You ever seen-

Dave Landau 41:42 (laughs) No.

Joe Rogan 41:43 ... this study on these... Because essentially it's just... it's the most highly processed shit available. Look, if you wanna be a vegetarian or a vegan or whatever, eat vegetables.

Dave Landau 41:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 Eat organic vegetables. That's healthy. But when you wanna pretend that something's a hamburger, it's a trans burger-

Dave Landau 42:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:03 ... you have to... it has to go through a lot, just like a trans person has to go through.

Dave Landau 42:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:07 You wanna get a vagina? Guess what? You need general anesthesia and you have to have a guy who's gonna cut your dick in half-

Dave Landau 42:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:15 ... and use an apple core to make you a vagina. And then you're gonna have to take a rubber dick and keep it in there so it doesn't close up.

Dave Landau 42:23 Yeah, so by the time-

Joe Rogan 42:25 So you have to dilate.

Dave Landau 42:25 ... you're getting the patty that basically shoots-

Joe Rogan 42:27 Exactly.

Dave Landau 42:27 ... up a school. It's all just filled with nonsense.

Joe Rogan 42:29 It's bad for you.

Dave Landau 42:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 It's all bad for you. And it's, it, it's not even satisfying. It's fu- it's not good. Like when, uh, my friend Duncan... You know Duncan, Duncan Trussell?

Dave Landau 42:39 Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:39 He was living in North Carolina and, uh, he (laughs) sent me a picture during the pandemic. He was like, "Look, this is all it's available." And all the meat had been gone and it was just Beyond Burgers.

Dave Landau 42:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:51 That's all that was left. Everybody had bought all the hamburger, all the steaks, all the chicken, and it was just this fucking bullshit fake meat.

Dave Landau 43:00 Well, yeah, 'cause at the end of the day, you kind of have to know it's bullshit.

Joe Rogan 43:04 Well, I think in the beginning... Like, didn't Kevin Hart have a, a restaurant where he was just selling all vegan food? People do it because they think they're being a good person. That's what it is.

Dave Landau 43:15 Sure.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Y- I get it.

Dave Landau 43:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:16 I get w- I get the i- the sentiment behind it. But (sighs) just eat vegetables.

Dave Landau 43:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:22 If you really wanna go that route, just eat vegetables. But guess what? Don't go that route. It's not good for you.

Dave Landau 43:27 Well, no, we're not designed to do that.

Joe Rogan 43:29 No.

Dave Landau 43:30 And I'm not saying I have the healthiest diet, obviously, but it's like, yeah, I like steaks. I like meat. I just d- I'm not gonna give it up.

Joe Rogan 43:35 It's probably the only thing keeping you alive.

Dave Landau 43:37 Probably the only thing I get. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:39 (laughs)

Dave Landau 43:39 I eat a lot of dyes. I get a lot of migraines. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:42 (laughs) A lot of dyes. A lot of that red, Red 40 that they're trying to get rid of.

Dave Landau 43:45 Yeah. (laughs) A lot of that.

Joe Rogan 43:46 That was another hilarious thing. When RFK Jr. was saying that they had to get rid of the red Dye 40, and they're like, "Well, well, if we do, what will happen to our business?"

Dave Landau 43:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:54 Meanwhile, the same business is selling this same cereal to Canada without the dye 'cause in Canada it's illegal.

Dave Landau 44:01 Right. Oh, this-

Joe Rogan 44:02 Yeah.

Dave Landau 44:03 The amount of stuff that I, we looked at, like, our entire breakfast as a kid was just cancer.

Joe Rogan 44:09 (laughs)

Dave Landau 44:09 That's the only thing they advertised on TV.

Joe Rogan 44:11 Just dyes.

Dave Landau 44:12 Just have a big sugary bowl of cancer and some toast with um-

Joe Rogan 44:15 Diabetes II waiting for you.

Dave Landau 44:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:18 God.

Dave Landau 44:19 Yeah, it's, it was nuts to think the amount of... 'Cause I'm just the microwave generation of like-

Joe Rogan 44:24 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 44:24 ... yeah, just throw that in the microwave. We can just pour a bowl of this shit-

Joe Rogan 44:27 Yeah.

Dave Landau 44:27 ... that'll last 45 years in the cupboard, and you'll be fine.

Joe Rogan 44:30 For us, it was TV dinners.

Dave Landau 44:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:31 You had a frozen TV dinner, you put it in the oven. The next thing you know, you're eating Salisbury steak.

Dave Landau 44:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:36 Yum, yum.

Dave Landau 44:37 Mm, and those wonderful potatoes.

Joe Rogan 44:39 Yeah, those little fluffy potatoes-

Dave Landau 44:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:40 They're in that little tin.

Dave Landau 44:41 And occasionally the worst brownie you've ever had.

Joe Rogan 44:44 It's not a good brownie.

Dave Landau 44:45 No.

Joe Rogan 44:45 I used to love those little T- TV dinners. I just think-

Dave Landau 44:47 Sure.

Joe Rogan 44:47 ... it was a treat when we ate TV dinners.

Dave Landau 44:49 Oh, yeah. That's how it was at my house.

Joe Rogan 44:51 There's no vitamins in that. (laughs)

Dave Landau 44:53 No, y- you never felt full. You felt gross, but you never felt full.

Joe Rogan 44:59 (sighs) It's just, you think about, I mean, even the food pyramid. I mean, how crazy is it that in the 20th century, they had it totally wrong? With all the access to books, all the information we had about health and nutrition, they were so wrong. Even with the food from the bottom up-

Dave Landau 45:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:15 ... was all the shit that gives you inflammation.

Dave Landau 45:18 (laughs) Yes.

Joe Rogan 45:18 What your foundation is this inflammation-causing bread.

Dave Landau 45:22 Yeah. They're like, "What you need here is mostly wheat."

Joe Rogan 45:25 Yeah.

Dave Landau 45:25 "You have to make sure you get 18 servings a day of white bread."

Joe Rogan 45:28 With bromate in it.

Dave Landau 45:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:30 Y- you wanna get a lot of that. You wanna get a lot of folic acid sprayed on it. Enriched flour is better.

Dave Landau 45:36 Yeah. (laughs) Here's sugar. That's in there for some reason.

Joe Rogan 45:39 Yeah.

Dave Landau 45:40 Two ounces of protein. Make sure you grab that a day.

Joe Rogan 45:42 Tons of sugar, dog. Tons.

Dave Landau 45:43 Everything.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Everybody had D- type 2 diabetes when I was a kid. They just didn't know it. (laughs)

Dave Landau 45:47 Oh, yeah. Well, everybody's getting it now.

Joe Rogan 45:50 (laughs)

Dave Landau 45:50 (laughs) It's still constant.

Joe Rogan 45:51 I know. It's, there's never been a time where poor people are so fat.

Dave Landau 45:55 No, like, starving people are obese.

Joe Rogan 45:57 Yeah.

Dave Landau 45:57 That's what's crazy. Like, you can't get nutrition in your body, but you also have to sit down to get groceries in a cart.

Joe Rogan 46:04 Ugh. Or go to Disneyland.

Dave Landau 46:06 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 46:06 Disneyland is the place you find 'em all.

Dave Landau 46:08 Yeah, and it's like, why? Like, you're-

Joe Rogan 46:10 'Cause they get the carts for you. They have carts set up there for you-

Dave Landau 46:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:12 ... 'cause it's a lot of distance you gotta cover.

Dave Landau 46:14 You do, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:15 A lot of parks.

Dave Landau 46:16 I just don't see the enjoyment of a ride.

Joe Rogan 46:19 Any rides?

Dave Landau 46:20 Well, I mean, the ri- not the ride you get for free to go from pl- ride to ride, but the actual ride.

Joe Rogan 46:24 Oh.

Dave Landau 46:25 No, I love rides myself. But if I weighed 400 pounds, I may not enjoy it or... (taps table)

Joe Rogan 46:31 Yeah, that would take a lot of the love out of it.

Dave Landau 46:32 It would, wouldn't it?

Joe Rogan 46:33 Wouldn't fit in those seats.

Dave Landau 46:34 Especially if you're with your kid and the bar comes down and that one-

Joe Rogan 46:36 Right.

Dave Landau 46:36 ... has no protection. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:38 Right. The kid's fucked.

Dave Landau 46:39 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:40 The kid's just gonna pop right off the top 'cause you're so fat.

Dave Landau 46:42 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 46:42 Right. Right? There's, like, this much of a gap. The kid's just sliding in and out.

Dave Landau 46:45 You've seen those people where the ki- And the kid's, like, looking at his mom all nervous, like, realizing- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:50 Yeah. He should be fucking nervous. He should be terrified. I used to think that when I got on ski lifts. I'm like, "This is crazy."

Dave Landau 46:55 I never-

Joe Rogan 46:56 They just let you sit on this thing way, way, way above the mountain.

Dave Landau 47:00 And people would fall off all the time.

Joe Rogan 47:02 Yeah.

Dave Landau 47:03 'Cause they think it'd be funny to jump or what-

Narrator 47:05 Whoa!

Dave Landau 47:05 Dude, it was always-

Joe Rogan 47:06 Woo.

Dave Landau 47:07 ... always bad.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Woo.

Dave Landau 47:09 Like, we didn't have mountains in Michigan, but we did have big enough hills. Like, I went skiing. We did a lot of skiing when we were real young. And then I went down a, it was like a double black diamond, I think they're called.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Oh my God.

Dave Landau 47:20 Yeah, I was like, "I got this." And my ski got stuck in a soft mogul and I just went down it on my face.

Joe Rogan 47:25 Woo.

Dave Landau 47:26 It looked like eight dudes beat the shit out of me.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Oh my God.

Dave Landau 47:28 Like, I was just, like, all scarred and bleeding. And then I just didn't ski much after that.

Joe Rogan 47:33 I got a concussion a few years back and I stopped skiing. I'm like, "I'm done." I got a concussion and I got what's called an insufficiency fracture on my shin. Some lady didn't know how to ski and she slid into the trail, like, sideways, like doing this thing.

Dave Landau 47:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:46 And I, I-

Dave Landau 47:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:47 ... had two choices. Either destroy this lady or wipe out hard. And I took the second choice and got a fucking... I banged my head off the, the ground.

Dave Landau 47:57 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 47:57 It was bang. I heard this... And I had a helmet on, but it was still... The-

Dave Landau 48:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:01 The bang was loud and I was dizzy for the rest... I t- 100% got a concussion. And I was, I didn't feel right for the rest of the day. And then I was like, "I'm done. This is not worth the thrill." Everybody I know has a torn ACL from it, a concussion. My grandpa died, you know.

Dave Landau 48:17 Oh, God. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:18 No, no.

Dave Landau 48:19 Oh, no. Oh. I didn't know if you meant your grandpa. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:20 I mean, you know what I mean? Not my grandpa.

Dave Landau 48:21 Yeah, but no, they do though.

Joe Rogan 48:22 They all have stories.

Dave Landau 48:23 Well, yeah, they all have this-

Joe Rogan 48:24 Yeah.

Dave Landau 48:24 Like, somebody knows a Sonny Bono who just-

Joe Rogan 48:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave Landau 48:26 ... like, launched right into a tree of a mighty oak.

Joe Rogan 48:29 It's not worth it.

Dave Landau 48:30 No, dude. I, I just never enjoyed it that much and then when I tried snowboarding, I'm like, "I sucked at skateboarding and was a poser at that, why am I even attempting this?"

Joe Rogan 48:38 Snowboarding, you're attached to that fucker too.

Dave Landau 48:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:40 At least with skis, the skis pop off.

Dave Landau 48:42 Yeah, you can get away.

Joe Rogan 48:43 Yeah. (laughs) Yes.

Dave Landau 48:44 The board's coming with you when you fall.

Joe Rogan 48:46 I know a lot of people who got knocked out snowboarding because the feet go up in the air.

Dave Landau 48:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:51 You know, like, if something happens, the feet go up in the air and you're head-first.

Dave Landau 48:55 Dude. Uh, my, my son does it, and he's 10. And I let him, but he's, he's pretty good at it, but I've, I always get very nervous when he goes to do it. But he's good with, I mean, he's a very good athlete.

Joe Rogan 49:04 The good thing is little kids have less weight, and when they're falling, it's not as painful, and then they're all flexible and pliable. They're not, they're not-

Dave Landau 49:13 Dude, he broke his arm. It, it was crazy, and he was better in like, it was like eight days. It was like Wolverine.

Joe Rogan 49:19 (laughs)

Dave Landau 49:19 It's like how did you, how did you do this? Like, I tore my, was it meniscus, ACL, blew off half my kneecap.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Oh, boy.

Dave Landau 49:27 And, uh, yeah, I was making fun of my friend, uh, and then he tackled me, uh, and we were on a linoleum floor with keg beer.

Joe Rogan 49:34 Oh, no.

Dave Landau 49:35 So instead of, uh, ins- instead of going to the hospital when it was in a lot of pain, I'm like, "I'll just wait till the morning," and I had my friends carry me around this party. And then the next morning, I'm like, "Yeah, this isn't moving at all." So my friend Jimmy drove me to the hospital, and dude, it was like out of a, like, sitcom. Like, doctors opened up a door into my leg. He wheeled me into a drinking fountain on accident. Like, I broke my leg more just trying to get-

Joe Rogan 50:00 (laughs)

Dave Landau 50:00 ... into the hospital. And then by the time I got to, in for them to do the surgery, they're like, "What happened?" I couldn't be like, "Oh, I was drunk at my friend's house." You know?

Joe Rogan 50:09 Right.

Dave Landau 50:09 I was like, "Oh, I slipped on ice. It was winter. I was walking to my car." And they're like, "This is a lot of damage for just slipping on ice," 'cause I just twisted it all night, and I should've known. I mean, my foot was like behind me-

Joe Rogan 50:20 Oh, God.

Dave Landau 50:21 ... when I did it. Like my knee just is... So I have rods in my right knee, so I just try-

Joe Rogan 50:26 Oh, really?

Dave Landau 50:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:26 You have rods to keep it together?

Dave Landau 50:28 Three, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:28 Wow. It was that bad?

Dave Landau 50:30 Yeah. Like you can hear it pop sometimes when I walk (laughs) . It's pretty nice (laughs) to hear.

Joe Rogan 50:33 Does it hurt?

Dave Landau 50:34 Uh, sometimes, but not, not as bad as you think it would. If I'm like doing a treadmill for a long time or if I do something where we're just outside, like 'cause I'll go hiking or whatever-

Joe Rogan 50:45 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 50:45 ... which my wife likes it, so we'll do that. But I like, it, that'll hurt after maybe a couple miles, but not like a severe pain. But it's-

Joe Rogan 50:53 Just annoying.

Dave Landau 50:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:54 That's fine.

Dave Landau 50:54 And it, yeah, and you can, like weather messes with it in the sense.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 50:57 But nothing crazy.

Joe Rogan 50:59 Do they... Is there a, an option to take those rods out? 'Cause I know a lot of them, they put them in there so that the bones heal correctly, right?

Dave Landau 51:06 Yeah. There might be. I mean, it's been 25 years. I'm sure there's been advancements in it-

Joe Rogan 51:12 Never.

Dave Landau 51:12 ... and I just don't bring it up.

Joe Rogan 51:13 I bet you bones are just grown around it now and-

Dave Landau 51:16 Oh, I'm, I'm sure it's destroyed.

Joe Rogan 51:17 Ugh.

Dave Landau 51:17 They're probably like, "Why didn't you come in?" I'd be like, "You didn't, you didn't bring it up either."

Joe Rogan 51:20 (laughs)

Dave Landau 51:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:21 Yeah, I know a guy who broke his arm and the screws from the plate that kept his arm together were popping through his skin, so he had a g- had another operation. They opened up his arm again and took the plate out and, 'cause the arm had healed, like the bones had fused, but then the plates and the screws started backing out-

Dave Landau 51:38 That's, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:38 ... through the skin.

Dave Landau 51:39 That, that-

Joe Rogan 51:39 They were poking through his skin.

Dave Landau 51:41 That's what happened to my son, and it sucked 'cause he was like six. And him and his friend were hanging out at, at his friend's house, and they had like a slide that was eight feet in the air, and they both decided to jump off of it.

Joe Rogan 51:51 Oh, God.

Dave Landau 51:52 And he landed funny and he's a little kid, so I was at my friend's mom's funeral. I like rush back to get him. It's the worst thing in the world when it's your kid, d- it's just the worst.

Joe Rogan 52:01 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 52:01 But yeah, we made sure like he got the screws out, he got the right, like everything went fine, but the way-

Joe Rogan 52:06 When you're six, you heal so quick.

Dave Landau 52:07 Dude, he, it was honestly like-

Joe Rogan 52:09 Yeah.

Dave Landau 52:09 ... he, they cut the cast off like two weeks before they were supposed to 'cause he's like, "I can go like this."

Joe Rogan 52:15 (laughs)

Dave Landau 52:15 And I'm like, that's amaze... 'Cause I remember I would like go to bars still and I was still underage, but I was still going to bars with like a cast on.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Oh, boy.

Dave Landau 52:23 Like a full-blown knee brace and I, you know, I'm wearing like tracksuits and like, I had chains and like earrings.

Joe Rogan 52:29 Ah! (laughs)

Dave Landau 52:29 I was that kid, you know. So I just, I'm like just a, like a raver, stoner, and I'm just walking around with my crutches, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:37 That's hilarious.

Dave Landau 52:38 (laughs) It's like...

Joe Rogan 52:39 How long did it take before you could walk again?

Dave Landau 52:41 Properly?

Joe Rogan 52:42 Yeah.

Dave Landau 52:42 About six months. Now-

Joe Rogan 52:44 Wow.

Dave Landau 52:44 ... every now and then, I do walk with a limp 'cause it just kinda goes out, so-

Joe Rogan 52:48 Does your friend still feel e- embarrassed by this? Guilty?

Dave Landau 52:52 No, I don't, I, no, it's one of those guys you've known for so long, it's, he didn't care then.

Joe Rogan 52:57 (laughs)

Dave Landau 52:59 And I was saying stuff to him, the kind ... (laughs) and I deserved it.

Joe Rogan 53:01 (laughs)

Dave Landau 53:02 So like, I mean, he, he felt really bad. I shouldn't say that. But no, he, it's not anything... The girl who owned the house went nuts and she was so hot and I always had a crush on her. And she's like, "Your family's gonna sue me." I'm like, "My family's not gonna sue any..." They, they don't sue people, but, "We're not gonna sue you." And like my, I think my dad had passed at that point and she's like so freaking out 'cause she would have these wild Christmas parties every year where it happened.

Joe Rogan 53:25 Oh, boy.

Dave Landau 53:26 And that ended the wild Christmas parties, and she's like, "Yeah, you never sue them." I'm like, "Yeah, why would I sue 'cause I'm stupid?" Like it's, it was my fault, and then I just went out and said, "Yeah, I fell on ice."

Joe Rogan 53:36 Isn't that a gross thing that people would just sue if they did something stupid in your house, they would sue you?

Dave Landau 53:41 Dude, I've never, never. Like I can understand points where people have.

Joe Rogan 53:45 It's just a, such a scammer mentality.

Dave Landau 53:48 It's a shit thing to do to anybody. It's like-

Joe Rogan 53:50 Yeah.

Dave Landau 53:50 ... somebody who like slips delivering a package or any, any of that stuff that's, that- that's possible. I-

Joe Rogan 53:55 There was a lady that was, um, when my kids were younger, there was this lady that was a single mom and, uh, her daughter was playing with my daughter and, you know, they'd come over the house and she went into another person's house and, um, you know, like, they would have playdates like kids do, and she wasn't there. So she comes to pick up her daughter and they're, they have a dog. And the dog is a very friendly dog and the dog, you know, it jumps up to like, you know how dogs do that?

Dave Landau 54:23 Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan 54:24 And scraped her with its claws. Just scraped her with its claws. She sued the family for $50,000.

Dave Landau 54:31 And won.

Joe Rogan 54:31 And they, they just settled. They settled because the d-

Dave Landau 54:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:33 ... they, they were informed, "Listen, legal fees are gonna be probably $100,000." She wants $50,000. So this fucking asshole, all, a dog did, dog nails, just scratched her a little bit. Not even like bleeding, nothing crazy, just normal, "Oh, your dog's crazy." Like, where you and I would be like, "What a cute dog."

Dave Landau 54:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:53 She was like, "Ooh, opportunity to sue this family that's wealthy."

Dave Landau 54:57 Especially the fact that that's just what they do. There, it's, and it's-

Joe Rogan 55:00 Yeah.

Dave Landau 55:01 I remember when we were young, there were two pit bulls that were at this, uh, house behind a camp we were at. And this one kid was always throwing rocks at him.... and we were like, "You shouldn't do that," 'cause we liked the dogs, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 55:11 (sighs)

Dave Landau 55:11 ... the camp had its own golden retriever, and it was fine with the pit bull. They'd run on the fences and stuff. So we... That's when I first even started getting used to dogs when I was young, 'cause I've always liked dogs. And I have two, and I've had tons. But I remember that the pit bull, once the kid stuck his finger through the fence, took off these two par- these two fif- tops of his finger.

Joe Rogan 55:31 Mm.

Dave Landau 55:32 And, like, they sued. They put the dog down. And we were like, "He's been chucking rocks at those things all summer."

Joe Rogan 55:38 Yeah.

Dave Landau 55:38 Like, he's been antagonizing these animals all summer.

Joe Rogan 55:41 Yeah.

Dave Landau 55:41 And I mean, it sucks that it happens, but it's like-

Joe Rogan 55:44 Sucks that your kid's stupid too.

Dave Landau 55:46 Yeah. It sucks that he was told not to do it a bunch of times, and then there was a consequence to this shitty action.

Joe Rogan 55:51 Also, how did you raise a kid that's throwing rocks at dogs? Like, what's-

Dave Landau 55:55 What's wrong-

Joe Rogan 55:55 What kind of a kid would throw rocks at a dog?

Dave Landau 55:57 It's like the first thing you find that has unconditional love for you.

Joe Rogan 56:01 Yeah.

Dave Landau 56:01 It's the first thing that, like, you trust in a different way than a human.

Joe Rogan 56:06 I- Did he have dogs?

Dave Landau 56:07 There's no way he did. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 56:08 Yeah, maybe that's it.

Dave Landau 56:08 I don't remember him well. I- I remember the- the blood and the screaming, but (laughs) I don't remember-

Joe Rogan 56:13 (laughs)

Dave Landau 56:14 ... I don't remember much about him other than that.

Joe Rogan 56:15 And the weird handshakes afterwards?

Dave Landau 56:17 Yes. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:18 (laughs)

Dave Landau 56:18 Yeah. I knew his penmanship wasn't very good after.

Joe Rogan 56:21 Ol' stubs.

Dave Landau 56:22 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:23 (laughs) Yeah, man.

Dave Landau 56:25 Yeah. But he deserved it.

Joe Rogan 56:26 Pit bulls are tricky dogs though. They're tricky.

Dave Landau 56:28 My brothers had ones where... Yeah. He's-

Joe Rogan 56:31 I've had a bunch of them.

Dave Landau 56:32 He's rescued a couple. And I've had friends who have saved them in Detroit from fights.

Joe Rogan 56:37 Yeah.

Dave Landau 56:37 Where, 'cause they would throw 'em in a back alley, the losers-

Joe Rogan 56:40 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 56:40 ... and sometimes my friends would take 'em.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Yeah.

Dave Landau 56:42 And get 'em sewn up and keep 'em. But those dogs specifically would kind of only be left to- alone for the- the owner.

Joe Rogan 56:50 Right.

Dave Landau 56:50 Like, my friend would keep it just for him, like, locked up.

Joe Rogan 56:52 Well, they're usually fine with people.

Dave Landau 56:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:55 Um, the real issue with pit bulls is dogs and children. They think of children as animals. They don't know that a child is a person. At least it seems like they don't, 'cause they attack kids.

Dave Landau 57:05 Well, and children don't know dogs are animals sometimes. And that's kind of how I treat w- with my kids. Like, you have to understand that-

Joe Rogan 57:12 Right.

Dave Landau 57:13 ... you know, like, when you're roughhousing or whatever, like, there's a, "You gotta be real careful, because it- she might not necessarily know what you're doing." You know?

Joe Rogan 57:20 Yeah.

Dave Landau 57:21 And he learned that at a young age, and dogs love him, but-

Joe Rogan 57:24 Yeah.

Dave Landau 57:24 ... a lot of times, kids can be really, really rough with dogs.

Joe Rogan 57:27 Yeah. They can be, sure. Especially if they don't grow up with them, they don't know, and they're not taught. But, uh, the thing is, like, if you have a sweet dog, like I have a golden retriever-

Dave Landau 57:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:36 ... and if my kids thought all dogs were like my dog, and then they went up to another dog and grabbed his face, that dog might bite your fucking face off.

Dave Landau 57:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Yeah.

Dave Landau 57:43 And goldens are the best.

Joe Rogan 57:45 They're the best.

Dave Landau 57:45 Like, they're just designed to be the sweetest animals on the planet.

Joe Rogan 57:48 He's the nicest dog of all time. The best pet ever.

Dave Landau 57:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:51 He's just, just the homie.

Dave Landau 57:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:53 I come home, he's like, "Hello." He wags his... He always has to greet you with a toy. Like, as soon as I come in the house, he grabs one of his toys and runs up to you with a toy.

Dave Landau 58:00 (laughs) Dude, it's-

Joe Rogan 58:01 Yeah.

Dave Landau 58:02 ... it's the nicest feeling in the world.

Joe Rogan 58:03 Yeah. They're the sweetest dogs. He cuddles with me when I watch TV. He climbs up, like literally, like, lies in my lap. You know, he's 75 pounds. He puts his fucking head on my chest.

Dave Landau 58:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:12 And he just likes to be pet while I'm watching TV.

Dave Landau 58:15 Yeah. They just want to be with you.

Joe Rogan 58:16 Yeah.

Dave Landau 58:17 It's the nicest thing. And I, you know, I had a Rottweiler. And people are afraid of those, but she was the sweetest dog.

Joe Rogan 58:22 It's, a lot of it is how you treat them.

Dave Landau 58:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:24 But, but it's also the breed. It's also the- the- the bloodline. Like, if you get a game bred pit bull, and you expect it to be cool with other dogs, you're out of your fucking mind. That dog is designed to fight dogs.

Dave Landau 58:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:36 You know? But if you get a good dog, and you train him well and teach him, and y- you know, it takes a lot of responsibility. You know, like, people that want to out and get, like, a German shepherd or a Belgian Malinois and think they're gonna just keep it in their yard.

Dave Landau 58:49 Oh, for their first dog. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:49 Like, you know, you... You just literally got, like, an elite super athlete-

Dave Landau 58:52 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:53 ... for a pet. (laughs)

Dave Landau 58:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:55 You know, and you're just thinking you're just gonna leave it in the yard-

Dave Landau 58:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:58 ... and occasionally throw the ball to it.

Dave Landau 58:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:00 Get the fuck out of here.

Dave Landau 59:00 Is that how we're... And you- you never walk it-

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yeah.

Dave Landau 59:02 ... so it's got a bunch of pent up anger and energy.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Exactly.

Dave Landau 59:05 Good for you.

Joe Rogan 59:05 It's like a- a high school kid that's been left in a confined space.

Dave Landau 59:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:09 Yeah.

Dave Landau 59:10 See how it works when he comes out-

Joe Rogan 59:11 Yeah.

Dave Landau 59:12 ... i- into the real world. Bring him to a dog park.

Joe Rogan 59:15 Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

Dave Landau 59:16 (laughs) Did you see that video of the dog parks, some of them?

Joe Rogan 59:19 What video?

Dave Landau 59:20 There was one video where a guy, his dog is attacking one dog, and some dude runs up out of nowhere and just shoves his finger in one dog's ass.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Oh. That works.

Dave Landau 59:29 Yeah. I- It did, but it was still the most ridiculous thing. I've... Like, this guy just runs in like he thinks he's Superman. He's like, "I've got it." And just starts fingering the ass.

Joe Rogan 59:38 Well, if a dog has a lock on another dog, that's one of the only ways to let him go.

Dave Landau 59:42 Is it?

Joe Rogan 59:42 Yeah.

Dave Landau 59:42 Is it Works?

Joe Rogan 59:43 I hope... I hear it works. I've never done it. But hoses work.

Dave Landau 59:45 And I've never tried it myself.

Joe Rogan 59:47 Hoses work.

Dave Landau 59:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:48 When dogs would fight with each other, you could hose them, and a lot of times they- they'll let go.

Dave Landau 59:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:53 They just freak out. You're getting hit in the face with a jet of water.

Dave Landau 59:57 Yeah. That will do it.

Joe Rogan 59:57 But, you know, the- the really fucked up thing is that people bred dogs for fighting, and they like to fight. They, when they fight, they wag their tails. That's-

Dave Landau 1:00:07 Yeah. They're having fun.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 That's what's crazy.

Dave Landau 1:00:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 You watch them, like, literally chewing each other's faces off, and they're wagging their tails, like...

Dave Landau 1:00:13 Well, I got a Border collie at the same time as a Rottweiler, and they were both pretty, you know, they- they both enjoyed fighting each other.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Fun.

Dave Landau 1:00:21 But I'd always-

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Like play fighting.

Dave Landau 1:00:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:00:22 And you'd always just watch for the tail waggling, because they'd be flipping each other over and...

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Right.

Dave Landau 1:00:27 Like, when we first got the Rott, we went to a dog park, 'cause they were, like, newer to us in Michigan. And this one dog just kept coming up that was bigger than my Rott, but kept kind of, like, messing with her.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:00:38 And then finally, my Rott grabbed her by the neck and flipped this dog over and was just, like, pinning it with her mouth. And then the dog gave up and was showing its belly. And I'm like, "Oh fuck." I'm like, "All right, we're gonna leave the dog park now." You know, people were f- like, freaking out and screaming.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:00:55 But the dog kept, like, coming up and, like, nipping my- my dog.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:00:58 Until my dog finally just, like, attacked back real quick.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Yeah. Which is what dogs do. They have to f- establish dominance.

Dave Landau 1:01:05 That's what she did.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 I was at a dog park once, and somebody brought a wolf.

Dave Landau 1:01:08 Are you serious?

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:01:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 ... it was the wildest thing. Ev- all the dogs-

Dave Landau 1:01:13 You got a wolf?

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 All the dogs immediately knew it wasn't a dog.

Dave Landau 1:01:16 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Some guy had one of those 7/8 timber wolf dogs. You know, 'cause you can get them dogs where they're not really dogs. It's a wolf, and this thing just walked in, and every dog was like, "That's not a fucking dog."

Dave Landau 1:01:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 They all scattered. It was wild to watch. It was big too, man. It was really big. It was like 100 plus pounds. And just big fucking mouth, big long mouth, and it just-

Dave Landau 1:01:42 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 ... looked like a wolf. And every dog knew it wasn't a dog. They all-

Dave Landau 1:01:45 Were they just all backing in the corner?

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Yeah, 'cause wolves eat dogs.

Dave Landau 1:01:48 Oh, yeah, they do.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 They knew.

Dave Landau 1:01:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 They fucking, there was a thing, like the smell, the look, whatever. Every, no dog was sizing up with it at all.

Dave Landau 1:01:56 No.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Every dog just ran away. It was weird.

Dave Landau 1:01:59 Y- well, they, they have that instinct.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 1:02:01 And that thing is like what dogs, like that's like if a caveman walked in.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Right.

Dave Landau 1:02:06 You know what I mean? Like that's the-

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:02:07 ... original OG of what we're supposed to be.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Right, right, right, right.

Narrator 1:02:11 This is not a wolf. Have you seen this video?

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Oh, yeah. I've seen this video.

Narrator 1:02:13 It's really cool.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 This video's wild. So there's all these dogs are fighting.

Dave Landau 1:02:16 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 And check out this one dog walks in, and he's the fucking boss. And he's, this dog-

Dave Landau 1:02:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 ... look, ev- all the other dogs back the fuck away from him.

Narrator 1:02:24 (laughs) The stock battles.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Look, look, they all back away. This one dog, and he gets on that dog. Like look what happens.

Dave Landau 1:02:30 Oh, dude, every one of them just acts right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 Yeah, it's like John Wick of dogs.

Dave Landau 1:02:34 Yeah, dude. (laughs) It's just...

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Look at this. The dog just lays down.

Dave Landau 1:02:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 And he just gets on top of him.

Dave Landau 1:02:39 I once saw this dog kill-

Narrator 1:02:40 What kind of dog is that, do you know?

Dave Landau 1:02:40 ... one of us with a pencil.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 I have no idea what kind of dog that is.

Dave Landau 1:02:43 I don't know either. The b- the black one? It's gotta be-

Narrator 1:02:46 No, this one.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 The white one.

Dave Landau 1:02:47 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 The one that's dominating.

Dave Landau 1:02:47 The other one right there?

Narrator 1:02:48 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:02:48 I mean, I, oh, the black one was cowering. I was looking at the wrong dog.

Narrator 1:02:51 The black one is a Cane Corso, I believe.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Well, why don't you take a photo of that dog and run it through Google Image?

Narrator 1:02:56 Let me see what AI says.

Dave Landau 1:02:56 The dog looks like Benji, like they probably just knew-

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 I know, that's what's crazy.

Dave Landau 1:02:59 Yeah, like it probably just kn- they knew it had a hard life.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 My friend has a dog like that that's a s- a small, it's a darker, like a gray and, and brown dog.

Dave Landau 1:03:08 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 And he takes it pig hunting, and it's the most savage fucking dog I've ever seen in my life.

Dave Landau 1:03:13 And it looks like that?

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Yes. This dog just chases pigs.

Dave Landau 1:03:17 (laughs) Which are-

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 It's crazy.

Dave Landau 1:03:19 And pigs are tough.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Oh, yeah. But this dog is just nuts, man.

Dave Landau 1:03:23 Dude, that's funny.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 What kind of dog is that? Come on, ChatGPT. A mixed, or breed, or a mutt, based on appearance, shaggy wiry coat, body structure. How crazy is AI? A wolfhound or terrier mixes, large size and sturdy build might also suggest some Central Asian Shepherd or Kangal ancestry, especially if the dog is used as livestock guardian. However, without a clear look and more context, like the dog's size, weight, or behavior, it's difficult to definitively identify the breed. It's likely a mix of working or guardian breeds, common in rural or semi-rural areas.

Dave Landau 1:03:58 Hmm. Yeah, that thing they just knew had it tough.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:04:02 'Cause it just came in and didn't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 They're like, "Yikes."

Dave Landau 1:04:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 It's not even a big dog.

Dave Landau 1:04:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 That's what's crazy. Like, yo, but that was kinda what it was like when that wolf showed up at the dog park. I've... All the other dogs were just like, "What in the holy fuck is this?"

Dave Landau 1:04:15 Was it you? I think you were talking about it, maybe it wa- I don't know, but it's about a guy who trains wolves. And he was saying-

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Not what I've, I've had people on that work with wolves. You can't really train wolves.

Dave Landau 1:04:26 Yeah, like, but, i- i- I think it was like the movie, The Grey, you know, like taken-

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 Uh-huh.

Dave Landau 1:04:30 ... Taken with Wolves or whatever. And, uh, like, he said d- during it that w- he has to fall down as the stuntman or whatever. So the second he gets home, one of the wolves is gonna try to take his spot on top.

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 Yes.

Dave Landau 1:04:43 So you gotta like grab the wolf and hold it up in the air, and like that's like the main thing to do to get it to stop. But like every night, he just has to prepare himself for fighting a wolf when he gets home.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Oh, Jesus.

Dave Landau 1:04:55 Which is crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 That's so stupid.

Dave Landau 1:04:57 But I mean, they all just, they're, they're pack animals. And as soon as it-

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 Yeah, so as soon as you leave-

Dave Landau 1:05:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 ... they, they take the dominant spot.

Dave Landau 1:05:03 Yeah. You have a good day of filming and there's just this wolf looking at you-

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:05:06 ... the whole car ride home, seeing if he's gonna take like your shit once you get home.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 I knew a dude who had three of those, three of those wolf dogs, and he was a piece of shit. And they, they got out of his yard and killed the neighbor's sheep and he lied about it. He's like, "No, wasn't my dog, wasn't my dog." Killed like eight sheep.

Dave Landau 1:05:22 Dude, yeah. It's your dog.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 'Cause they just kill for fun.

Dave Landau 1:05:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 Like, oh, there's just sheep that just w- commit suicide? What, what killed, mountain lion? What did this?

Dave Landau 1:05:32 Well, there's coyotes and stuff where-

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 Not like that, though.

Dave Landau 1:05:34 No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 They're not gonna do that kind of damage.

Dave Landau 1:05:36 But-

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Coyote would have a hard time taking out a sheep. It would take a long time.

Dave Landau 1:05:39 Yeah. But they grab small dogs, like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Oh, yeah.

Dave Landau 1:05:42 Like before COVID, we'd, like i- in Detroit and like the suburbs, we never had coyotes, like it seemed, like any of that stuff. And then after, you see them all the time. Like I would walk out and there'd just be like a deer in my front lawn. I'm like, "This is bizarre."

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:05:56 In this part, and then yeah, now you have ones that like hop fences-

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 Mm-hmm.

Dave Landau 1:06:00 ... and grab small dogs and jump away.

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're everywhere now. They're in every fift- they're in all 50 states, and then they're, they're in every major city.

Dave Landau 1:06:08 Yeah, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 Yeah. They're a wild animal. I mean, a really interesting animal, I should say. Obviously they're wild.

Dave Landau 1:06:14 'Cause when I first saw them, they'd be crossing the street at night, they'd be coming back from a gig, and I'm like, "Is that a, is that a dog? Should I stop?" And then it's clearly just a coyote.

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Yeah.

Dave Landau 1:06:23 And I'd never seen them up close like that ever.

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 They're in