EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…
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(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- BBBrigham Buhler
The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)
- BBBrigham Buhler
What up?
- JRJoe Rogan
What up, dog? How are you?
- BBBrigham Buhler
W- we're back.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're back again. How many text messages have we been exchanging back and forth where we're like, "What the fuck?"
- BBBrigham Buhler
Oh, it's nuts. It goes so deep.
- JRJoe Rogan
It goes s- it-
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs) It's so deep.
- JRJoe Rogan
This w- this is, to me, this is one of the most exciting moments in bl- in, in terms of like, p- politics, in terms of like, who's in control. Like, having RFK Jr. at the helm of the HHS and having him, like, really pushing to get peptides through, really pushing to stop all this bullshit that's been going on and, and seeing all these fucking roaches coming running out when the lights come on.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's been crazy.
- BBBrigham Buhler
It's definitely been crazy, and, and for anyone who doesn't know my background 'cause if they haven't heard our previous podcasts, you know, I started out as a drug rep for Eli Lilly and I did that for three years, so I saw behind the curtain. This was right outta college, and then I was a med device rep, and then I owned labs, blood labs, toxicology labs, I, uh, pharmacogenetic labs. I tried to go educate clinicians on all this preventative care stuff within the insurance framework, within the system, and I was ... I've been blowing the ... You and I did, I think, the first one four years ago where I was trying to blow (laughs) the whistle on there is a lot of corruption, collusion and corporate capture throughout every one of these organizations, top to bottom. Every alphabet organization whether we're talking the EPA, the CDC, (laughs) uh, the NIH, the FDA-
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you see the guy from the CDC that just resigned?
- BBBrigham Buhler
Oh, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
The guy who-
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... he has a, like, literally a pentagram dog collar thing on his chest. Do you know this guy?
- BBBrigham Buhler
Oh, I know, I know which you're talking about.
- JRJoe Rogan
This fucking-
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah, I've seen it.
- JRJoe Rogan
... freak who's upset that they're not giving babies hepatitis B shots.
- BBBrigham Buhler
I saw, he literally in an interview yesterday said his biggest concern is that they're gonna get rid of hepatitis B shots. Children aren't having sex or shooting up drugs. Why do they need a hep B shot?
- JRJoe Rogan
Because they're paying.
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause hep ta- hep, hep B shots are paying.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're paying.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Well, and that's the-
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- BBBrigham Buhler
I worked for Eli Lilly. In- ... Eli Lilly owns the State of Indiana. E- and they absolutely own the state, or the city of Indianapolis. And this guy did his first stint, uh, in politics under a congresswoman, congressman, sorry, in the State of Indiana in Indianapolis. And this congressman has released multiple, multiple tweets and messages, and attends Eli Lilly factory openings-
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- BBBrigham Buhler
... and is a huge proponent of Eli Lilly. And this is just one example of the issues with that system. You have-
- NANarrator
It's also the statement that peptides have no medical use when GLP-1s are fucking peptides.
- BBBrigham Buhler
That's literally what I said. That's lit-
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- BBBrigham Buhler
I said, "You do understand that a GLP-1's a peptide?" Insulin is a peptide.
- NANarrator
(laughs) Yes.
- BBBrigham Buhler
There are over 150 peptides that big pharma is attempting to patent right now, because the future of medicine is peptides, and here's why. Uh, we don't ... We aren't compounding a drug. We're taking something found naturally in nature, a signaling cell found in your body, just like stem cells, just like amnion, just like all of these crucial building blocks to our health and longevity, that are deficient in our foods, deficient in our diet, deficient in our lifestyle. We don't get enough sun, we ha- have too much screen time, we're inactive, and all of that shit's tanking in our bodies. Shocker, right? And as we age, the- there's a precipitous decline in peptides, in building blocks. One example, GHK, copper peptide. We know we have roughly 30 to 40% of the level of GHK in our bloodstream in our 40s that we had in our teens. Why is that important? It's an important signaling cell that tells your body that you're young. Your cells are young, your skin's elastic, heal this injury, heal this wound, reduce this inflammation. Right? It's safe, it's benign, it's found in nature. We're synthesizing that. That's what peptides are. And big pharma got beat to the punch by compounding pharmacies, and compounding pharmacies have an array of peptides in their tool belt. And the war on peptides has gone beyond the GLP-1s, and this is what I wanted to explain. So, it's very complicated and I gotta make sure I nail this right, because it's important for President Trump to understand this. President Trump, the art of the deal, the master negotiator, is attempting to play hardball with big pharma, and he is gonna negotiate a deal for best-in-class, b- best-in-the-world drug pricing for the American people. And that's very admirable, and I respect the hell out of him for trying to get it done. But the devil is in the details, and my fear is historically, big government has been co-opted and colluded by pharma. And when they're not able to pull a lever and move a chess piece, they outmaneuver them, and it's already happening. Eli Lilly's CEO announced he's going to raise the prices of drugs in Europe to offset the price reduction in America.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- BBBrigham Buhler
But what that really means is-
- NANarrator
Ugh.
- BBBrigham Buhler
... we're not gonna get the price concession that Donald Trump, President Trump is working for. Right? Because what he's doing is the same thing we already see with the pharmacy benefit managers that I've explained on this podcast before. The PBMs artificially inflate the price because they get a rebate on the backend from the big pharmaceutical companies that's hidden, that's not disclosed to the public. Then, when they negotiate a deal with Medicare, Medicaid, TRICARE, they tell the government, "We're giving you 30% off." You're giving us 30% off a bullshit price that you created 'cause you set the market. And if we give these people a monopoly, we already know where it goes. We can see it time and time again.Eli Lilly's price of go- production on insulin became one tenth of what it used to be, and they charged 10 times the dollar amount of r- the retail price of insulin. And I've, on, also, Jamie, on any of this stuff, on the Ways to Well website, I did the JRE experience, uh, links again, because I'm referencing so many things that people are gonna say, "No way!" So Lilly literally- So go to ways2well.com and... And, and there's JRE links. Okay. Uh, there's a links page where I reference everything I'm talking about. There it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
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- BBBrigham Buhler
President Trump is, is attempting to go shape these pricing. This is where I'm... Industry's already moving the needle. That's just one piece of it though, Joe. Here's where it gets even more fucked up. This is how crazy this shit is. It just happened with thyroid medicines, okay? D- a- animal-derived thyroid has been around since 1890. We have compounded it for over a decade. I have had not one adverse event in a de- not fucking one. We sit- we ship 6,000 bottles of medication a day at my pharmacy, Revive. We have had minimal side effects in literally over a decade. Big Pharma has lobbied the FDA to say, "These thyroid medicines are dangerous. We need you to shut down animal-derived thyroids." Why? Because they're attempting to launch a thyroid medicine, and they want the thyroid labeled as a biologic. Why would you label it as a biologic? Because by labeling it as a biologic, you subvert President Trump's mission to reduce the price of a drug, because it's not a drug. I'm selling you a biologic, so now I can bend you over the barrel and screw you again on the price. Here's where it runs even deeper. (exhales) This is where it gets crazy. A patent on a drug is usually five years. Do you know what the patent life is on a biologic? 12 fucking years. So Eli Lilly, all of the Novo Nordisk, all of these entities are attempting to put pressure on the FDA to reclassify drugs as biologics. They want GLP-1s as biologics, they want HCG as biologics, they want all of these amazing compounds that we've been providing for people for over a decade to all be reclassified as a biologic. And that is the fucking straw that will break the camel's back, the final death blow to telemedicine and compounding pharmacies. Because the third part of the equation is, you cannot compound a biologic. The FDA stance is, it is illegal for me as a compounder to compound a biologic. So now you give a monopoly to Big Pharma, you get rid of all price competition in a market where the president's main goal is to reduce the price of drug costs. If you wanna reduce the price of drug costs, the way you do it is through competition, and we saw it with the GLP-1s. The only price concession that any of these motherfuckers have given the American people in the last 20 fucking years is because the pressure of an open market. People quit going and buying these retail drugs at $1300 a month because they couldn't get the dosage they wanted. They're getting titrated up to these mega dosages that are causing muscle wasting, bone mineral density loss, loss of vision. There's a $2 billion lawsuit against these scumbags right now. And I'm sorry, I've, I've bit my tongue historically and tried to be, like, politically correct to an extent on here, but I can't do it. Like, this is insane. And I go back to if RFK and, and this administration was not in power, all of this would have just happened. So I tets- texted th- texted the secretary and his team and I said, "I have to ring the bell on something." And I've educated them on what's happening and all the moves that are being made. And the FDA was reviewing in a court document that nobody knew about, this is the problem with having 70,000 employees, there are legacy employees that have tight collusion relationships with industry that have been there 20 fucking years, that they're gonna do what you let them do. And their offense is you run the Big Pharma offense. We're gonna, we're gonna obstruct compounders, we're gonna prevent telemedicine, we're gonna push people back to sick care, we're gonna launch drugs into the marketplace. And let's look at the history of safety, Joe. If we look at, a- and I'm, I'm gonna keep hammering on Lilly. Lilly, in a lawsuit against Mochi Health last week at a f- at a federal judge,... is suing Mochi for using GLP-1s for weight loss, and their claim is, "You are violating our patent," which you're not, because it's patient unique. "You are, uh, and it's a peptide, which is naturally found in the human body, and you didn't create the peptide, the NIH did, our taxpayer dollars 'cause we fund the NIH." That's where all of these originated. Out of the last ... There's so much, but ou- out of the last 210 blockbuster drugs between 2010 and I think 2016, 210 blockbuster drugs, how many of those do you think big pharma, started at big pharma versus started at the NIH?
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh. I would bet most of them started at NIH.
- BBBrigham Buhler
100% of the compounds that became blockbuster drugs had their roots at the NIH.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, taxpayer funded, and then these pharmaceutical drug companies get a monopoly on them.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Boom.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- BBBrigham Buhler
And then we get rammed in the ass for the next, if they get what they want.
- JRJoe Rogan
And we fund it.
- BBBrigham Buhler
The next 12 years.
- JRJoe Rogan
And we fund it?
- BBBrigham Buhler
100%.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- BBBrigham Buhler
And the, so the FDA, my argument to the FDA in this-
- JRJoe Rogan
What a scam.
- BBBrigham Buhler
It's nuts.
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- BBBrigham Buhler
Trump's ass. I was with another high, high, high level person at HHS and their phone kept ringing, I swear to God, kept ringing, and they looked at their phone and they go, "God, man, these people from Eli Lilly are aggressive."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BBBrigham Buhler
And all of this was happening in the dark. And so what we can do is what we're doing, this, podcast, getting President Trump's attention, gaining the attention of Secretary Kennedy and the team at the FDA. And Secretary Kennedy and his team are playing Whac-A-Mole, you know? Because it's ... You gotta think, it's not just the FDA. It's the CDC, it's the NIH-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BBBrigham Buhler
... 80,000 employees. I think they have 200 appointees from the new administration. You got ... You're literally ... It's like the Spartans versus the Persians.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BBBrigham Buhler
You got 200 hard hitters trying to fight 80,000 people that have been co-opted. And I'm not there to say all those people are bad. There's a lot of good things that have d- been done at all of these organizations.But there's also a natural, innate bias when a big chunk of your funding pivoted in the '90s where over 60% of the FDA's funding is based off fee schedules. And those fee schedules generate the revenue that create your jobs. And you have an open door policy to meet with the FDA, but you're not meeting with compounders, and you're not reading the emails from compounders, right? And so, e- there, when I told the FDA, w- what made you decide this backlog was over? They said, "Well, industry told us they could meet the need." And I said, "Okay, well, did you see the email I sent you where we contacted over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months and they can't meet the need? Less than 6% of prescriptions were available. They cannot meet the need. They're gonna force people to higher dosages and it's gonna cause a catastrophic health consequence to the American people, and it's gonna bankrupt our systems. Did you not see these emails?" And they just sat there, dead quiet. And so, (laughs) jump forward, I get wind that in a court document ... And it's all in f- it's all in secret, right? All this shit happens in the shadows, and then they play dumb. "Oh, we didn't know. What do you mean? We didn't understand. We, we ... That's just a court document, Secretary Kennedy." Bullshit. It's a court document that sets precedent, and that precedent says that peptides have no medical necessity while at the same time, you have Big Pharma trying to patent 140 fucking peptides as biologics that we were already making for the last decade.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Is it about safety? Is it about safety? Because all of the adverse events that have been reported, almost all of them, a huge majority of the adverse events, which aren't even that many, came from black market peptides. And that's what Lilly's tr-... Lilly in the court case two weeks ago presented to the judge all the adverse events, and the judge said, "Where are they?" And Lilly said, "Right here in this Reddit forum." I swear to God.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- BBBrigham Buhler
And the judge said-
- JRJoe Rogan
A, a Reddit forum.
- BBBrigham Buhler
... "Are you really telling me that your documentation of adverse events is coming from a Reddit forum?"
- JRJoe Rogan
You should send them to the Flat Earth Reddit forum.
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs) Right. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Let's see what else is going on here.
- BBBrigham Buhler
So that's just, like, a, a sliver, Joe-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BBBrigham Buhler
... like, a fucking sliver-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- BBBrigham Buhler
... of what I've been living.
- JRJoe Rogan
With ... W- one of my favorite narratives is that they're trying to do good.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's one of my favorite narratives. One of my favorite narratives, whenever there's any sort of a large-scale government organization is that we are trying to protect people from harm.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're fucking never ... No one is trying to protect you. Everyone at every level of the government, whether it is about climate change, whether it is about, eh, uh, geo-political relationships, whatever the fuck it is, it is all about money.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's not a single thing that you could point to, "Well-"
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"... the government really cares here."
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Two billion dollars? …
- BBBrigham Buhler
CDC, EPA, NIH, every one of these systems have been built, co-opted, corrupted, and developed alongside industry. And even when you talk about chronic disease, so many people... There's a big podcast that dropped that if anyone ... i- i- it's, it gets into antidepressants, and a lot of people don't know this, because I wanna quantify peptides, because you're gonna have academia go, "Well, the difference is, drugs are investigated and peptides aren't, and there's no placebo-controlled, double-blind studies." One, there are, there's a lot, and we can systematically break that down too. They just haven't gone through an FDA approval process, because that costs two billion dollars. Well, who established-
- JRJoe Rogan
Two billion dollars?
- BBBrigham Buhler
Two billion dollars to bring a drug to market.
- JRJoe Rogan
What a great way to be a gateway.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Boom. It was established by big pharma. Big pharma told the FDA, "Let's build this model." Right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Two billion?
- BBBrigham Buhler
So then they capture the molecule at the NIH level, bring it to phase two and three trials, bring it into human trials. The cost of doing that is not what they make it out to be. And then it's a pay-to-play system, and it's an obstructionist system that stifles and prevents innovation, because if I'm a biotech startup or a compounding pharmacy or a stem cell company or a peptide company, or anybody who wants to get into that space, I am gonna be forced to sell my company at some point to Eli Lilly or Pfizer or one of these big conglomerates in order to get it through the FDA approval process. I can't afford two billion dollars. And so what you've given big pharma is the keys to the Ferrari, and they control all the Ferraris that hit the marketplace, but then they co-opt and corrupt the data. So here's an example. When we talk about science, follow the science, follow the evidence, I worked for Eli Lilly. I, that was my first job outta college. We sold antipsychotic drug Zyprexa. Patients would come in and doctors would say, "Brigham, I don't know what's going on, dude. This lady put on 30 fucking pounds in like a, literally a month. This is not good. There's something going on here." And so when we go back to the main goal's safety, where was safety on that drug? Out of 12 blockbuster drugs in the last, I think, 15 years of Eli Lilly's history, 10 of them have black box warnings.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Black box, the most, the harshest warning you can get. The studies oftentimes don't represent long-term data, and the studies oftentimes aren't looking at all of the multifaceted aspects of human nature and life, like comorbidities and what other medications are these people taking and how do all these impact each other, average American's on four or more prescription drugs. All right, so I wanna lay out for the antidepressant, 'cause this one's crazy. Do you, do you, r- how do you, how do you think we diagnose depression, anxiety, ADHD, any of these mental health disorders? And I'm not, I wanna be clear, I'm not saying that these disorders don't exist, and I'm not saying that there is not a medical, uh, issue with patients. They're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's all completely subjective. It's not like a test they can give you, like, "Do you have syphilis?"
- BBBrigham Buhler
Correct.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BBBrigham Buhler
There is no blood test.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BBBrigham Buhler
There is no brain test.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BBBrigham Buhler
There is no chemical brain test.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, not only that, let's, let's be really clear. The established criteria, the idea behind it being that there is some sort of a chemical imbalance has been disproven.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Correct.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's, it's not-
- BBBrigham Buhler
Even in autopsies.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's not real.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Even in autopsies. That, and you know who perpetuated and created that narrative was big pharma.
- JRJoe Rogan
Of course.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Big pharma created that narrative, sold that story. It was never a serotonin deficiency. There's zero evidence to show that. So the screening tool we use to tell you if your child has ADHD was developed by a doctor in the '70s who was a consultant for Ritalin.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, Jesus.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Now, jump to the '90s. Eli Lilly, Pfizer, everyone's launching antidepressants into the marketplace under the guise that these serotonin, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, are going to fix your chemical imbalance in your brain. The measuring stick to decide whether you're depressed or not was a questionnaire developed by a consultant for Pfizer-... a doctor who worked for Pfizer developed that test, and the goal of the test was to simplify depression so simplistically that any primary care in America could prescribe an antidepressant through a simple questionnaire.
- JRJoe Rogan
Then I bet most people-
- BBBrigham Buhler
They set the rules, they set the protocols, they set the- the everything. But there's no quantifiable data that says that that actually is-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just a questionnaire.
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Mm-hmm. …
- JRJoe Rogan
to every mass shooting. Do... You don't think that that would be brought up, like fucking full-court press in the front page of the New York Post and The New York Times and all over CNN and MSNBC? They would start talking about it. If it was some, some masculine thing, like if it was testosterone.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was, like, inj- testosterone therapy. So tes- testosterone replacement therapy is involved in 100% of school shooters. Jesus Christ.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They would be feminizing the world.
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"You boys need to eat more soy."
- BBBrigham Buhler
Uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
"You need to get tofu into schools."
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, we need-
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? We need to stop weightlifting.
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
No more weightlifting, n- no more cold plunges, 'cause they increase testosterone as well. No more, you know, no more fucking going outside in the sun. Th- sunlight gives you vitamin D. Vitamin D increases testosterone. Get out of the sun.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It's causing mass shootings.
- BBBrigham Buhler
And there's a, there's a ton of stuff str- correlating D, uh, lack of vitamin D to depression.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- BBBrigham Buhler
I mean, there's... It's, it's all-
- JRJoe Rogan
Of course.
- BBBrigham Buhler
... of these different things.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's terrible for your immune system.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you have a low level of vitamin D, you're chronically susceptible to all kinds of pathogens. Your immune system fucking sucks.
- BBBrigham Buhler
And the challenge is that same level of money and power that they're feeding to the media is also happening in politics. So, like, testifying here at the state level on these MHA bills. Three bills got passed in the state of Texas. Joe, I don't know if you've been following all that. Um, but these bills, I mean, you would think they... (laughs) I, I... You would think we were asking to, like... I don't even know. Like, the level of fuckery that went down with these bills was crazy. So first off, industry didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell...... that we were gonna get MAHA bills passed in the state of Texas, 'cause it's so Republican-intensive. And a lot of these politicians have, you know, relationships and ties with industry. Uh, and we're an industry-forward state. And we always wanna be an industry-forward state. But we can make money without killing people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BBBrigham Buhler
And we can make money without chronically and systematically poisoning people.
- JRJoe Rogan
You just can't make the most money.
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs)
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That's it, if it's…
- BBBrigham Buhler
I have good data recall.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's it, if it's something you're interested in.
- BBBrigham Buhler
If it ... If it ... If it's, like, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, and it's some mundane-
- JRJoe Rogan
Bueller.
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs) Yeah, just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Bueller.
- BBBrigham Buhler
It's torture, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Yes.
- BBBrigham Buhler
And I can't sit still in this environment?
- JRJoe Rogan
But that's why you're successful.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is what people don't understand. That's a superpower.
- BBBrigham Buhler
But I know for sure that I would have anxiety-
- JRJoe Rogan
The thing they're trying to medicate kids for.
- BBBrigham Buhler
... if I didn't work out. I have anxiety.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- BBBrigham Buhler
The other ... Like, when we were in Europe and I didn't work out, day three, I'm, like, restless, man. And that anxiousness comes out and-
- JRJoe Rogan
To me, that's like going somewhere and not eating. I'm not gonna do that either.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, if I go on vacation, I literally bring kettlebells.
- BBBrigham Buhler
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I have two 70s and two 50s. They travel with me.
- BBBrigham Buhler
You put them in a suitcase?
- JRJoe Rogan
I get them there.
- BBBrigham Buhler
Oh, my God, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
I ship, ship them to where I'm going.
- BBBrigham Buhler
That's hilarious.
- JRJoe Rogan
I have them delivered. I don't give a fuck, dude. I'm working out, because I'm ... I, I have a problem-
- BBBrigham Buhler
I think Cam Stane said he did that with that rock. Did he tell you? I swear he told me a story. He, he fucking packed that rock that they has people carry.
- JRJoe Rogan
Cam did that?
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