Joe Rogan Experience #2376 - Brigham Buhler

1. 0:00 – 1:47

   RFK Jr. at HHS and the "roaches" of corporate capture

   1. NANarrator0:00

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   2. BBBrigham Buhler0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

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   4. BBBrigham Buhler0:12

      What up?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      What up, dog? How are you?

   6. BBBrigham Buhler0:15

      W- we're back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      We're back again. How many text messages have we been exchanging back and forth where we're like, "What the fuck?"

   8. BBBrigham Buhler0:23

      Oh, it's nuts. It goes so deep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      It goes s- it-

   10. BBBrigham Buhler0:26

       (laughs) It's so deep.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       This w- this is, to me, this is one of the most exciting moments in bl- in, in terms of like, p- politics, in terms of like, who's in control. Like, having RFK Jr. at the helm of the HHS and having him, like, really pushing to get peptides through, really pushing to stop all this bullshit that's been going on and, and seeing all these fucking roaches coming running out when the lights come on.

   12. BBBrigham Buhler0:58

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       It's been crazy.

   14. BBBrigham Buhler1:00

       It's definitely been crazy, and, and for anyone who doesn't know my background 'cause if they haven't heard our previous podcasts, you know, I started out as a drug rep for Eli Lilly and I did that for three years, so I saw behind the curtain. This was right outta college, and then I was a med device rep, and then I owned labs, blood labs, toxicology labs, I, uh, pharmacogenetic labs. I tried to go educate clinicians on all this preventative care stuff within the insurance framework, within the system, and I was ... I've been blowing the ... You and I did, I think, the first one four years ago where I was trying to blow (laughs) the whistle on there is a lot of corruption, collusion and corporate capture throughout every one of these organizations, top to bottom. Every alphabet organization whether we're talking the EPA, the CDC, (laughs) uh, the NIH, the FDA-

2. 1:47 – 5:22

   Vaccine policy flashpoint: CDC resignation and Hep B shots for babies

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      Did you see the guy from the CDC that just resigned?

   2. BBBrigham Buhler1:50

      Oh, man.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      The guy who-

   4. BBBrigham Buhler1:51

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:52

      ... he has a, like, literally a pentagram dog collar thing on his chest. Do you know this guy?

   6. BBBrigham Buhler1:59

      Oh, I know, I know which you're talking about.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:00

      This fucking-

   8. BBBrigham Buhler2:01

      Yeah, I've seen it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:01

      ... freak who's upset that they're not giving babies hepatitis B shots.

   10. BBBrigham Buhler2:04

       I saw, he literally in an interview yesterday said his biggest concern is that they're gonna get rid of hepatitis B shots. Children aren't having sex or shooting up drugs. Why do they need a hep B shot?

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Because they're paying.

   12. BBBrigham Buhler2:16

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       'Cause hep ta- hep, hep B shots are paying.

   14. BBBrigham Buhler2:19

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       They're paying.

   16. BBBrigham Buhler2:20

       Well, and that's the-

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       It's money.

   18. BBBrigham Buhler2:21

       ... the problem is as, as you, like, systematically walk through these systems and the history of each one of these organizations, I can show you time and time again. And I went from, you know, coming on this podcast and trying to educate people on the importance of taking themselves out of that system, doing blood work, getting proactive and predictive, preventing chronic disease, don't put your hands in the fate of these broken systems, and that led to getting to meet RFK and being a part of the MAHA Movement, testifying in front of the Senate, and then I've testified at the state level and Joe, (laughs) the fucking level of fuckery and shady shit that I've seen now behind the scenes getting line of sight into the government side 'cause I didn't ... I was on the outside in the periphery somewhat aware of the government stuff, but now having got behind the curtain, dude, it runs so much deeper and it's so much darker and it's so much more controlled than I ever realized.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       Well, it's all money, man, and there's so much money. I mean, it, it, it has to be one of the biggest industries in the country, right?

   20. BBBrigham Buhler3:26

       Oh, it i- I think HHS and e- even, even HHS which all falls under Secretary Kennedy now, I think it's between 70 and 80,000 people, right? And so when people are asking how do ze- h- why aren't we moving faster, why aren't we doing this, why aren't we doing that, it's like, you're trying to move The Titanic. There's all these divisions within HHS, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, and it's Whac-A-Mole, and every day a new fire pops up, and every day you've got industry lobbying, politicking and moving chess pieces to obstruct, delay, deny, depose and prevent any sort of change. And you've got legacy employees. There's literally ... There is literally a memo at the NIH that's being circulated around about how to subvert and ignore President Trump and Secretary Kennedy's mandates which isn't President Trump and Secretary Kennedy. It's the American people's voice. The American people voted for change. We're over the corruption. We're over the collusion. We're over the corporate capture. And-

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       And for m- most people that I know, this was one of the biggest factors in, in this administration, like voting in-

   22. BBBrigham Buhler4:36

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       ... Trump. The ... One of the biggest things was getting Kennedy in there.

   24. BBBrigham Buhler4:40

       Same, yeah. I, I b- I believe that the MAHA moms and this healthcare movement and the frustration with the broken healthcare system was a, a, a deciding factor in Trump winning this election. And my fear is if we don't keep the pressure up at these midterms, it doesn't matter Republican or Democrats. Historically, both sides have been corrupted, uh, and both sides have made catastrophic mistakes. Uh, and if we walk through (laughs) , like, each one of these organizations, like back to the ... even the FDA. Okay, so most recently I'm in Europe and I've got eyes and ears everywhere. Are you telling me where the best place to start is? 'Cause I wanna ... I d-

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       No. Go with that.

   26. BBBrigham Buhler5:20

       There's so much ground to cover.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       Go ahead. Go.

3. 5:22 – 6:49

   Inside the FDA meeting: "They’ll smile… and screw you"

   1. BBBrigham Buhler5:22

      Okay. So, uh, Secretary Kennedy set up a meeting for me with the FDA back in January and he said, "I want you to come with an open mind, open heart. They're gonna do the same, and I want you to just sit down and lay out for these folks what you've seen, what you've experienced, and help them understand what compounders, telemedicine companies, stem cell companies, regenerative medicine practices, cash pay practices across the country are experiencing because of the FDA's choices and decisions made in a vacuum." And so I went to this meeting, flew to DC, sat down with all these folks. They're taking notes. They all seemed really friendly. There was probably eight or nine people in the room, and I left there, and a day later ... And I ... And, uh, and everyone's like, "How do you think it went?" I said, "They seemed very receptive, like, everyone was nice. Everyone smiled and everyone was ... just seemed friendly." Hand to God, I get a call from a person at the FDA-... and they say, "I want you to know, they're gonna smile. Fuck you." And I said, "What?" And this person said, "They're gonna smile. Fuck you." And I go, "What do you mean?" "They're gonna smile to your face, and they're gonna ramrod all the things that you went in to talk to them about." So, like, one of the things that I wanted to talk to them about was the GLP-1s. Forget whether good or bad. Let's just shelf that for the moment. GLP-1s have their origination at the National Institute for Health.

4. 6:49 – 10:39

   GLP-1s, compounding, and dosing incentives: why side effects spike

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      Let's explain to people, that's Ozempic, Wegovy-

   2. BBBrigham Buhler6:51

      Yes, correct.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:52

      ... those weight loss peptides.

   4. BBBrigham Buhler6:53

      All, all these blockbuster weight loss peptides. But it's bigger than them being a weight loss peptide. They fall under the category of peptides, and it's a slippery slope, because if we allow the pharmaceutical industry to capture peptides, it will shut down all future innovation of peptides for compounding pharmacies, for telemedicine, for any of these things.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:15

      Unless they have patents on it.

   6. BBBrigham Buhler7:16

      Correct. And, and you and I talked about this the last podcast, and I was spot on. All the things I was telling you, I have now confirmed, having gone to meetings with the FDA. I said in that meeting, I said, "You g-" So what happened is Eli Lilly is now one of the largest makers of this weight loss peptide. It's, it's essentially Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly. They have lobbied hard with the FDA to say, "We can meet the needs of the American people. There is no reason why anybody should be compounding any of these peptides. They're dangerous. You guys don't inspect compounding pharmacies. There's no FDA oversight. These products are made in garages and there's no, uh, FDA ingredients in them. They're not the same product." XYZ, just go down the list of all those narratives that they're spinning to the FDA. And when the FDA's only hearing one side of the story, and 60% of their funding comes from industry, what you will see is time and time again, they side with industry. So the FDA defaulted right before, to their generic answer, right before Secretary Kennedy and Donald Trump took control, they ex- expired the exemption that was allowing compounding pharmacies to make cost-effective alternatives that patients could utilize. And this is crucial. The reason that you're seeing side effects, the reason you're seeing this cascade effect of issues, is because they are not treating patients with the most efficacious dose for that patient. They're treating patients with a dosage that reimburses the highest reimbursement rate on the insurance formulary. And I can prove this. They are overdosing people under, like, literally they're not taking the time to do the consult, to educate the patient on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition. There is zero doubt that GLP-1s are over-utilized in America. There's zero doubt that they should not be a front line defense. There is zero doubt that they don't come with some sort of risk factors. But most of those risk factors are found in higher dosages. So why would you start a patient on a higher dosage? Why would you rapidly titrate them up to a higher dosage, where you're causing catastrophic muscle loss? It's because it reimburses more. It's not because it's what's better for the patient.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:29

      Jesus.

   8. BBBrigham Buhler9:29

      It's 'cause it's what's better for Wall Street.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:31

      Jesus Christ.

   10. BBBrigham Buhler9:32

       Okay. And then their answer is, "Compounding pharmacies, we titrate at a lower dosage. We're unique to the patient, so what we try to do is start you at a micro dose. And then also what we do is comp- compound it and add other, uh, peptides." So, like, one example of, uh, they're literally working to patent a combination of a GLP-1 and IGFLR3. We've been making that for five years, like four years.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Say that again. Uh, GL-

   12. BBBrigham Buhler10:02

       So GLP-1-

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:02

       What is an IGF?

   14. BBBrigham Buhler10:03

       ... the weight loss ... And IGF, insulin growth factor, LR3, time released insulin growth factor. And the reason being, IGF preserves lean muscle mass.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       Oh.

   16. BBBrigham Buhler10:11

       IGF preserves bone mineral density. IGF helps reduce visceral fat. IGF has a cascade of benefits that allow us to micro dose a GLP-1 at a much lower dosage, where you don't get the muscle wasting.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       Ah.

   18. BBBrigham Buhler10:25

       And so this compound in trials right now is showing 20% body fat loss, and it, or 20% l- uh, loss relative to the GLP-1s, but all of it's body fat. Almost all of it is fat. You're not losing the muscle.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:39

       Oh.

5. 10:39 – 20:46

   Manufacturing hypocrisy and the "backorder list" data fight

   1. BBBrigham Buhler10:39

      And compounders are already making this stuff, right? And so where I'm going with this is Lilly lobbies the FDA, and, and Novo Nordisk, and they say these drugs are dangerous. Let's look into that. Step one, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk both have warning letters from the FDA for their manufacturing facilities. Novo Nordisk was cited as having cat hair and pest activity. I don't know if it's rats, if it's roaches, in their sterile rooms. This is the FDA's own inspection. Eli Lilly has been cited time and time again for its egregious actions, destroying records, hiding clinical data, a barefoot woman in their sterile room. The FDA uncovered all of this through whistleblowers. Furthermore, there's over 2,000 major pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities that have not been investigated in five or more fucking years. And so my message to the FDA was, one, "You're wrong. You've inspected me three times in 18 months." Two, "Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk are not making a safer product. They're not at a higher level of manufacturing specs. You guys look at them less often than you do compounders. And they don't make dosages unique to patients. So we're titrating dosages down, allowing patients to optimize the benefits, minimize the side effects, not a one-size-fits-all approach." And then last but not least, "It's cash pay. We aren't billing insurance carriers. We aren't billing Medicare, Medicaid, and we're not charging $1300 a month average wholesale price. We're able to ship these products for a couple hundred bucks to your doorstep with a nutritional consult." And so it's a better mousetrap. And what you'll see time and time again, is if industry's getting beat, if big pharma's getting beat, they just change the rules to the game.And so, wha- wha- where this is going though, is so much bigger and grander, Joe. So, th- I asked the FDA, "What made you think that this is no longer on a backlogs list?" Because it was an emergency backlogs list. So, the FDA provides a list every year where they tell compounders, "We can't get these drugs. We need you to compound these drugs." Think of it like the bat signal.

   2. NANarrator13:00

      Right.

   3. BBBrigham Buhler13:01

      Bat signal goes off, we jump to it, we start compounding those drugs. The exemption expired under Biden, right before Secretary Kennedy and Trump took control. The old regime at the FDA ramrodded it through. Now it's an- not exempt. Now 503B pharmacies cannot compound it 'cause they don't make patient-specific, which means a lot of those products are no longer available. But they did that decision based off the fact that these crucial diabetic patients would be able to get the drugs they need. This is where the plot thickens. We called over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months. I turned all of this in to the FDA. Less than 6% of the lower dosages were available for patients, which meant what? They had to go to the higher dosages, which meant what? All of these programs get billed a higher reimbursement rate, a higher billable rate. Eli Lilly and Novo aren't mad that compounders are making the product. They're mad that they're getting exposed for the corruption, collusion, and manipulation of our healthcare institutions time and time again, and it's gonna get 10 times worse as I lay (laughs) this out for you.

   4. NANarrator14:14

      So-

   5. BBBrigham Buhler14:14

      But I'll pause for questions.

   6. NANarrator14:15

      Okay, so pause right here. So, what is the response to this? So, you lay out this information. What can be done?

   7. BBBrigham Buhler14:22

      Yeah.

   8. NANarrator14:23

      And what is the response?

   9. BBBrigham Buhler14:23

      So, they all ... They, they were friendly. They smiled, they were jocking down notes. One of the head clin-

   10. NANarrator14:28

       Probably drawing dicks.

   11. (laughs)

   12. BBBrigham Buhler14:30

       (laughs)

   13. NANarrator14:30

       Probably drawing a bunch of dicks.

   14. BBBrigham Buhler14:31

       One of, one of the clinicians from the FDA, uh, candidly who's never practiced medicine, i- said, "There's no medical need for peptides in this meeting." And he's like, "But today, we're gonna talk mainly about GLP-1s. There's a need for GLP-1s." Okay, I dig in. Where did this guy do his, uh ... He, he's a, he is a clinician, but his first stint in politics was in the State of Indiana, in Indianapolis, Eli Lilly's headquarters. I worked for Eli Lilly. In- ... Eli Lilly owns the State of Indiana. E- and they absolutely own the state, or the city of Indianapolis. And this guy did his first stint, uh, in politics under a congresswoman, congressman, sorry, in the State of Indiana in Indianapolis. And this congressman has released multiple, multiple tweets and messages, and attends Eli Lilly factory openings-

   15. NANarrator15:26

       (laughs)

   16. BBBrigham Buhler15:26

       ... and is a huge proponent of Eli Lilly. And this is just one example of the issues with that system. You have-

   17. NANarrator15:33

       It's also the statement that peptides have no medical use when GLP-1s are fucking peptides.

   18. BBBrigham Buhler15:38

       That's literally what I said. That's lit-

   19. NANarrator15:40

       (laughs)

   20. BBBrigham Buhler15:40

       I said, "You do understand that a GLP-1's a peptide?" Insulin is a peptide.

   21. NANarrator15:44

       (laughs) Yes.

   22. BBBrigham Buhler15:45

       There are over 150 peptides that big pharma is attempting to patent right now, because the future of medicine is peptides, and here's why. Uh, we don't ... We aren't compounding a drug. We're taking something found naturally in nature, a signaling cell found in your body, just like stem cells, just like amnion, just like all of these crucial building blocks to our health and longevity, that are deficient in our foods, deficient in our diet, deficient in our lifestyle. We don't get enough sun, we ha- have too much screen time, we're inactive, and all of that shit's tanking in our bodies. Shocker, right? And as we age, the- there's a precipitous decline in peptides, in building blocks. One example, GHK, copper peptide. We know we have roughly 30 to 40% of the level of GHK in our bloodstream in our 40s that we had in our teens. Why is that important? It's an important signaling cell that tells your body that you're young. Your cells are young, your skin's elastic, heal this injury, heal this wound, reduce this inflammation. Right? It's safe, it's benign, it's found in nature. We're synthesizing that. That's what peptides are. And big pharma got beat to the punch by compounding pharmacies, and compounding pharmacies have an array of peptides in their tool belt. And the war on peptides has gone beyond the GLP-1s, and this is what I wanted to explain. So, it's very complicated and I gotta make sure I nail this right, because it's important for President Trump to understand this. President Trump, the art of the deal, the master negotiator, is attempting to play hardball with big pharma, and he is gonna negotiate a deal for best-in-class, b- best-in-the-world drug pricing for the American people. And that's very admirable, and I respect the hell out of him for trying to get it done. But the devil is in the details, and my fear is historically, big government has been co-opted and colluded by pharma. And when they're not able to pull a lever and move a chess piece, they outmaneuver them, and it's already happening. Eli Lilly's CEO announced he's going to raise the prices of drugs in Europe to offset the price reduction in America.

   23. NANarrator18:00

       (laughs)

   24. BBBrigham Buhler18:01

       But what that really means is-

   25. NANarrator18:03

       Ugh.

   26. BBBrigham Buhler18:03

       ... we're not gonna get the price concession that Donald Trump, President Trump is working for. Right? Because what he's doing is the same thing we already see with the pharmacy benefit managers that I've explained on this podcast before. The PBMs artificially inflate the price because they get a rebate on the backend from the big pharmaceutical companies that's hidden, that's not disclosed to the public. Then, when they negotiate a deal with Medicare, Medicaid, TRICARE, they tell the government, "We're giving you 30% off." You're giving us 30% off a bullshit price that you created 'cause you set the market. And if we give these people a monopoly, we already know where it goes. We can see it time and time again.Eli Lilly's price of go- production on insulin became one tenth of what it used to be, and they charged 10 times the dollar amount of r- the retail price of insulin. And I've, on, also, Jamie, on any of this stuff, on the Ways to Well website, I did the JRE experience, uh, links again, because I'm referencing so many things that people are gonna say, "No way!" So Lilly literally- So go to ways2well.com and... And, and there's JRE links. Okay. Uh, there's a links page where I reference everything I'm talking about. There it is.

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6. 20:46 – 28:50

   The bigger play: reclassifying drugs as biologics to lock out competition

   1. BBBrigham Buhler20:46

      President Trump is, is attempting to go shape these pricing. This is where I'm... Industry's already moving the needle. That's just one piece of it though, Joe. Here's where it gets even more fucked up. This is how crazy this shit is. It just happened with thyroid medicines, okay? D- a- animal-derived thyroid has been around since 1890. We have compounded it for over a decade. I have had not one adverse event in a de- not fucking one. We sit- we ship 6,000 bottles of medication a day at my pharmacy, Revive. We have had minimal side effects in literally over a decade. Big Pharma has lobbied the FDA to say, "These thyroid medicines are dangerous. We need you to shut down animal-derived thyroids." Why? Because they're attempting to launch a thyroid medicine, and they want the thyroid labeled as a biologic. Why would you label it as a biologic? Because by labeling it as a biologic, you subvert President Trump's mission to reduce the price of a drug, because it's not a drug. I'm selling you a biologic, so now I can bend you over the barrel and screw you again on the price. Here's where it runs even deeper. (exhales) This is where it gets crazy. A patent on a drug is usually five years. Do you know what the patent life is on a biologic? 12 fucking years. So Eli Lilly, all of the Novo Nordisk, all of these entities are attempting to put pressure on the FDA to reclassify drugs as biologics. They want GLP-1s as biologics, they want HCG as biologics, they want all of these amazing compounds that we've been providing for people for over a decade to all be reclassified as a biologic. And that is the fucking straw that will break the camel's back, the final death blow to telemedicine and compounding pharmacies. Because the third part of the equation is, you cannot compound a biologic. The FDA stance is, it is illegal for me as a compounder to compound a biologic. So now you give a monopoly to Big Pharma, you get rid of all price competition in a market where the president's main goal is to reduce the price of drug costs. If you wanna reduce the price of drug costs, the way you do it is through competition, and we saw it with the GLP-1s. The only price concession that any of these motherfuckers have given the American people in the last 20 fucking years is because the pressure of an open market. People quit going and buying these retail drugs at $1300 a month because they couldn't get the dosage they wanted. They're getting titrated up to these mega dosages that are causing muscle wasting, bone mineral density loss, loss of vision. There's a $2 billion lawsuit against these scumbags right now. And I'm sorry, I've, I've bit my tongue historically and tried to be, like, politically correct to an extent on here, but I can't do it. Like, this is insane. And I go back to if RFK and, and this administration was not in power, all of this would have just happened. So I tets- texted th- texted the secretary and his team and I said, "I have to ring the bell on something." And I've educated them on what's happening and all the moves that are being made. And the FDA was reviewing in a court document that nobody knew about, this is the problem with having 70,000 employees, there are legacy employees that have tight collusion relationships with industry that have been there 20 fucking years, that they're gonna do what you let them do. And their offense is you run the Big Pharma offense. We're gonna, we're gonna obstruct compounders, we're gonna prevent telemedicine, we're gonna push people back to sick care, we're gonna launch drugs into the marketplace. And let's look at the history of safety, Joe. If we look at, a- and I'm, I'm gonna keep hammering on Lilly. Lilly, in a lawsuit against Mochi Health last week at a f- at a federal judge,... is suing Mochi for using GLP-1s for weight loss, and their claim is, "You are violating our patent," which you're not, because it's patient unique. "You are, uh, and it's a peptide, which is naturally found in the human body, and you didn't create the peptide, the NIH did, our taxpayer dollars 'cause we fund the NIH." That's where all of these originated. Out of the last ... There's so much, but ou- out of the last 210 blockbuster drugs between 2010 and I think 2016, 210 blockbuster drugs, how many of those do you think big pharma, started at big pharma versus started at the NIH?

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:21

      Ooh. I would bet most of them started at NIH.

   3. BBBrigham Buhler25:25

      100% of the compounds that became blockbuster drugs had their roots at the NIH.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:32

      So, taxpayer funded, and then these pharmaceutical drug companies get a monopoly on them.

   5. BBBrigham Buhler25:38

      Boom.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:39

      Wow.

   7. BBBrigham Buhler25:39

      And then we get rammed in the ass for the next, if they get what they want.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:43

      And we fund it.

   9. BBBrigham Buhler25:43

      The next 12 years.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:44

       And we fund it?

   11. BBBrigham Buhler25:45

       100%.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       Wow.

   13. BBBrigham Buhler25:47

       And the, so the FDA, my argument to the FDA in this-

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:49

       What a scam.

   15. BBBrigham Buhler25:50

       It's nuts.

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:51

       What a scam.

   17. BBBrigham Buhler25:52

       And my argument to the FDA in this meeting was, "These compounds are safe." One, they're safe. They're, they're naturally occurring in nature, they're prescribed under the supervision of a board certified clinician, they're compounded at a compounding pharmacy that is inspected by the FDA, right? That you've inspected me three times in 18 months. All of our API and ingredients are sourced from the same exact suppliers as Novo and Lilly and all of the big pharma, pharmaceutical cartels. We all buy the ingredients from the same places. The only difference is, and this is what I told Secretary Kennedy and the FDA, the difference between me and Novo and me and Eli Lilly is I actually manufacture and produce my product here on American soil and employ over 500 hardworking American people. Ask big pharma why they're moving all their facilities to India and Ireland. To escape the scrutiny of the FDA. They don't want you in their factories. They don't want you able to challenge them or stifle their ability to print cash. Right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:56

       (laughs)

   19. BBBrigham Buhler26:56

       I can't play by those rules. I can't jockey that. The State of Texas is currently suing Eli Lilly. This came out, Ken Paxton sued Eli Lilly like three weeks ago, uh, because of fraudulent activity where they were providing kickbacks to providers, and this is important too. If you have a clinician and you go to your doctor and they will not prescribe you a medication, you need to understand, you the patient get to decide where that prescription goes. Not your doctor. That is not your doctor's decision. So when a doctor says, "I'm not gonna let you go to a compounding pharmacy," you need to fire that fucking doctor. That is not their choice. They cannot force you to go pay $1,300 at CVS. That is not their choice. And there are academic institutions like Methodist Hospital that have policies that say, "We're not gonna prescribe compounded medicines on GLP-1s. You've gotta go to the retail drug. Because we think compounds are dangerous." Where is this coming from? Where ... I- in, in this court document I was going to that just came out last week, Eli Lilly sued Mochi Health, uh, claiming that they're violating the corporate practice of medicine. So they're not just attacking the compounding process, they're also trying to obstruct via the FDA, and they're now suing everybody and their mom in this industry who compounds or runs a telemedicine practice, and Lilly is challenging that telemedicine is legal.

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:18

       Jesus.

   21. BBBrigham Buhler28:19

       Eli Lilly is literally challenging that telemedicine is legal, because one of the ways that so many patients are getting accessibility to cost-effective care is telemedicine. And Lilly thinks if we can shut down the pathway of telemedicine, we can force them to our own company, which Lilly launched their own little telemedicine (laughs) branch that you can call in. But in the meantime they're claiming that, that these companies are violating the corporate practice of medicine because-

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:44

       They just want full monopoly.

   23. BBBrigham Buhler28:46

       100%.

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:47

       So what can be done?

   25. BBBrigham Buhler28:48

       We're doing it. (laughs) Like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:50

       You know?

7. 28:50 – 47:22

   Court documents, legacy staff, and RFK’s "Whac-A-Mole" enforcement problem

   1. BBBrigham Buhler28:50

      ... uh, candidly, we're doing ... So I leave that first meeting with the FDA. I, I get that message from this individual at the FDA, and I thought, "I'm gonna wait and see. I ho- I hope this person's wrong. Um, let's see what happens." And, uh, when we were in Europe, I get a call, uh, from another source that said, "Hey, they're, they're doing it. They're ... In a court document, the FDA is going to make a stance that says there is no medical necessity for peptides." Which would ineffectively, in effect ban over 50 peptides that have been being compounded. Now remember, they already put I think over a dozen peptides on a bulks list a year ago. That's all separate from the GLP-1. Why did they do that? Because of the lobby of big pharma. You have people at the FDA who are legacy employees of the FDA, who have legacy relationships with big pharma. W- we've already gone over how many heads of the FDA have gone to work for industry and then come back to work for the FDA and then go ... It's a revolving door. They're sw- they're swapping spit, they're lobbying together, they're going to dinners together, they're spending time together, and the CEO of Lilly is up Trump's ass. I was with another high, high, high level person at HHS and their phone kept ringing, I swear to God, kept ringing, and they looked at their phone and they go, "God, man, these people from Eli Lilly are aggressive."

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      (laughs)

   3. BBBrigham Buhler30:16

      And all of this was happening in the dark. And so what we can do is what we're doing, this, podcast, getting President Trump's attention, gaining the attention of Secretary Kennedy and the team at the FDA. And Secretary Kennedy and his team are playing Whac-A-Mole, you know? Because it's ... You gotta think, it's not just the FDA. It's the CDC, it's the NIH-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      Yeah.

   5. BBBrigham Buhler30:38

      ... 80,000 employees. I think they have 200 appointees from the new administration. You got ... You're literally ... It's like the Spartans versus the Persians.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:47

      (laughs)

   7. BBBrigham Buhler30:47

      You got 200 hard hitters trying to fight 80,000 people that have been co-opted. And I'm not there to say all those people are bad. There's a lot of good things that have d- been done at all of these organizations.But there's also a natural, innate bias when a big chunk of your funding pivoted in the '90s where over 60% of the FDA's funding is based off fee schedules. And those fee schedules generate the revenue that create your jobs. And you have an open door policy to meet with the FDA, but you're not meeting with compounders, and you're not reading the emails from compounders, right? And so, e- there, when I told the FDA, w- what made you decide this backlog was over? They said, "Well, industry told us they could meet the need." And I said, "Okay, well, did you see the email I sent you where we contacted over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months and they can't meet the need? Less than 6% of prescriptions were available. They cannot meet the need. They're gonna force people to higher dosages and it's gonna cause a catastrophic health consequence to the American people, and it's gonna bankrupt our systems. Did you not see these emails?" And they just sat there, dead quiet. And so, (laughs) jump forward, I get wind that in a court document ... And it's all in f- it's all in secret, right? All this shit happens in the shadows, and then they play dumb. "Oh, we didn't know. What do you mean? We didn't understand. We, we ... That's just a court document, Secretary Kennedy." Bullshit. It's a court document that sets precedent, and that precedent says that peptides have no medical necessity while at the same time, you have Big Pharma trying to patent 140 fucking peptides as biologics that we were already making for the last decade.

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:22

      Jesus.

   9. BBBrigham Buhler32:23

      Is it about safety? Is it about safety? Because all of the adverse events that have been reported, almost all of them, a huge majority of the adverse events, which aren't even that many, came from black market peptides. And that's what Lilly's tr-... Lilly in the court case two weeks ago presented to the judge all the adverse events, and the judge said, "Where are they?" And Lilly said, "Right here in this Reddit forum." I swear to God.

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:49

       Oh my God.

   11. BBBrigham Buhler32:50

       And the judge said-

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:51

       A, a Reddit forum.

   13. BBBrigham Buhler32:51

       ... "Are you really telling me that your documentation of adverse events is coming from a Reddit forum?"

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:57

       You should send them to the Flat Earth Reddit forum.

   15. BBBrigham Buhler32:59

       (laughs) Right. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:00

       (laughs) Let's see what else is going on here.

   17. BBBrigham Buhler33:02

       So that's just, like, a, a sliver, Joe-

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       Yeah.

   19. BBBrigham Buhler33:04

       ... like, a fucking sliver-

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:05

       Oh my God.

   21. BBBrigham Buhler33:05

       ... of what I've been living.

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:06

       With ... W- one of my favorite narratives is that they're trying to do good.

   23. BBBrigham Buhler33:11

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:11

       That's one of my favorite narratives. One of my favorite narratives, whenever there's any sort of a large-scale government organization is that we are trying to protect people from harm.

   25. BBBrigham Buhler33:18

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:18

       They're fucking never ... No one is trying to protect you. Everyone at every level of the government, whether it is about climate change, whether it is about, eh, uh, geo-political relationships, whatever the fuck it is, it is all about money.

   27. BBBrigham Buhler33:33

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:33

       There's not a single thing that you could point to, "Well-"

   29. BBBrigham Buhler33:36

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:36

       "... the government really cares here."
8. 47:22 – 49:53

   Captured science and psychiatry: SSRIs, screening tools, and placebo-level benefits

   1. BBBrigham Buhler47:22

      Black box, the most, the harshest warning you can get. The studies oftentimes don't represent long-term data, and the studies oftentimes aren't looking at all of the multifaceted aspects of human nature and life, like comorbidities and what other medications are these people taking and how do all these impact each other, average American's on four or more prescription drugs. All right, so I wanna lay out for the antidepressant, 'cause this one's crazy. Do you, do you, r- how do you, how do you think we diagnose depression, anxiety, ADHD, any of these mental health disorders? And I'm not, I wanna be clear, I'm not saying that these disorders don't exist, and I'm not saying that there is not a medical, uh, issue with patients. They're-

   2. JRJoe Rogan48:09

      Well, it's all completely subjective. It's not like a test they can give you, like, "Do you have syphilis?"

   3. BBBrigham Buhler48:14

      Correct.

   4. JRJoe Rogan48:15

      Right.

   5. BBBrigham Buhler48:15

      There is no blood test.

   6. JRJoe Rogan48:16

      Right.

   7. BBBrigham Buhler48:16

      There is no brain test.

   8. JRJoe Rogan48:17

      Right.

   9. BBBrigham Buhler48:17

      There is no chemical brain test.

   10. JRJoe Rogan48:19

       Well, not only that, let's, let's be really clear. The established criteria, the idea behind it being that there is some sort of a chemical imbalance has been disproven.

   11. BBBrigham Buhler48:29

       Correct.

   12. JRJoe Rogan48:30

       So it's, it's not-

   13. BBBrigham Buhler48:30

       Even in autopsies.

   14. JRJoe Rogan48:31

       Yeah. It's not real.

   15. BBBrigham Buhler48:32

       Even in autopsies. That, and you know who perpetuated and created that narrative was big pharma.

   16. JRJoe Rogan48:37

       Of course.

   17. BBBrigham Buhler48:38

       Big pharma created that narrative, sold that story. It was never a serotonin deficiency. There's zero evidence to show that. So the screening tool we use to tell you if your child has ADHD was developed by a doctor in the '70s who was a consultant for Ritalin.

   18. JRJoe Rogan48:55

       Oh, Jesus.

   19. BBBrigham Buhler48:56

       Now, jump to the '90s. Eli Lilly, Pfizer, everyone's launching antidepressants into the marketplace under the guise that these serotonin, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, are going to fix your chemical imbalance in your brain. The measuring stick to decide whether you're depressed or not was a questionnaire developed by a consultant for Pfizer-... a doctor who worked for Pfizer developed that test, and the goal of the test was to simplify depression so simplistically that any primary care in America could prescribe an antidepressant through a simple questionnaire.

   20. JRJoe Rogan49:34

       Then I bet most people-

   21. BBBrigham Buhler49:34

       They set the rules, they set the protocols, they set the- the everything. But there's no quantifiable data that says that that actually is-

   22. JRJoe Rogan49:44

       It's just a questionnaire.

   23. BBBrigham Buhler49:45

       That's it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan49:45

       So it's totally subjective. So, what- what is this questionnaire? Can we take it and find out if I need pills?

   25. BBBrigham Buhler49:49

       Yeah, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan49:50

       Let's take it right now.

   27. BBBrigham Buhler49:51

       It's like, I can tell you had to take it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan49:52

       Should we take it?

   29. BBBrigham Buhler49:52

       Yeah, let's take it.

9. 49:53 – 1:01:06

   ADHD questionnaires in real time, childhood labels, and lifestyle as medicine

   1. JRJoe Rogan49:53

      Let's take it. I wanna see if I need pills.

   2. BBBrigham Buhler49:55

      Let's see. Hold on. That'd be hilarious.

   3. JRJoe Rogan49:58

      (laughs) I've never met a single person that's depressed and has a great life. Is that weird? I never s-

   4. BBBrigham Buhler50:03

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan50:04

      ... I never met a single person that's healthy, has a family where everyone's doing well-

   6. BBBrigham Buhler50:09

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan50:09

      ... they have a good career that they enjoy.

   8. BBBrigham Buhler50:10

      Well, that's why when... What's that dipshit? Colbert is like, "It's multifaceted in healthcare." Yeah, dumbass, it is.

   9. JRJoe Rogan50:17

      Who- who is that?

   10. BBBrigham Buhler50:17

       Uh, Colbert, uh, the Colbert Report guy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan50:20

       Oh, that guy.

   12. BBBrigham Buhler50:21

       He just attacked Malhot a few weeks ago and was like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan50:23

       Did he?

   14. BBBrigham Buhler50:23

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan50:24

       What did he say?

   16. BBBrigham Buhler50:24

       He was saying that t- t- to try and go after food and the drug companies is insane. And so, if you follow even depression-

   17. JRJoe Rogan50:30

       He looks super healthy. I like to see him in his underwear.

   18. BBBrigham Buhler50:32

       When, if you follow depression-

   19. JRJoe Rogan50:34

       (laughs)

   20. BBBrigham Buhler50:34

       ... when did we skyrocket in depression? When did depression skyrocket? It skyrocketed in the '80s. What happened in the '80s? We moved to an ultra-processed food diet. There is more compelling evidence that most depression is tracked back to insulin response and eating ultra-processed foods and sugary foods than any other aspect. We're all gonna go through highs and lows, we're all gonna have tough times, but when we're systematically chronically inflamed and poisoning our bodies through our food systems...

   21. JRJoe Rogan51:03

       You're exhausted and depressed.

   22. BBBrigham Buhler51:05

       And it leads-

   23. JRJoe Rogan51:06

       Yeah.

   24. BBBrigham Buhler51:06

       ... to all these, I don't have-

   25. JRJoe Rogan51:07

       Bro.

   26. BBBrigham Buhler51:07

       ... I don't have cell in here. I'm trying to see what the...

   27. JRJoe Rogan51:09

       I get exhausted and depressed if I eat a bowl of fucking Froot Loops. (laughs)

   28. BBBrigham Buhler51:15

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan51:16

       I mean, think- think about it, as healthy as I am.

   30. Brigham, does this work do you think?
10. 1:01:06 – 1:18:10

    Texas MAHA bills: lobbying warfare over food stamps, school lunches, and labels

    1. BBBrigham Buhler1:01:06

       And the challenge is that same level of money and power that they're feeding to the media is also happening in politics. So, like, testifying here at the state level on these MHA bills. Three bills got passed in the state of Texas. Joe, I don't know if you've been following all that. Um, but these bills, I mean, you would think they... (laughs) I, I... You would think we were asking to, like... I don't even know. Like, the level of fuckery that went down with these bills was crazy. So first off, industry didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell...... that we were gonna get MAHA bills passed in the state of Texas, 'cause it's so Republican-intensive. And a lot of these politicians have, you know, relationships and ties with industry. Uh, and we're an industry-forward state. And we always wanna be an industry-forward state. But we can make money without killing people.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       Right.

    3. BBBrigham Buhler1:01:57

       And we can make money without chronically and systematically poisoning people.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

       You just can't make the most money.

    5. BBBrigham Buhler1:02:02

       (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       That's the problem with all of it. It's not making money; it's making the most money. And, you know, we've talked about this a bunch of times, but it's a real issue. I'm in favor of capitalism. I think it's awesome. I think communism sucks. I think, you know, socialism is... It's contrary to human behavior characteristics that we're all aware of. Right? We can- I think we would all agree on that.

    7. BBBrigham Buhler1:02:20

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:20

       However, when you have a system that's set up where it has to make more money all the time, there's only one way-

    9. BBBrigham Buhler1:02:27

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:27

        ... to do that. You have to abandon ethics and morals or co-opt the fucking law, co-opt the rules, co-opt the regulations, make sure that you can continue to make more money whenever possible. And-

    11. BBBrigham Buhler1:02:39

        And you're nailing it. That's-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:39

        Yeah.

    13. BBBrigham Buhler1:02:40

        Uh, big pharma's not really worried that compounders are gonna take away their profits. They're going to hurt their, their marketing on Wall Street, their shareholder pricing, right? If, if y- if there's competition, if they can shut down all competition and have a monopoly for 12 years on a compound, what does that mean for their shareholder price?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:59

        Exactly. Yeah.

    15. BBBrigham Buhler1:03:00

        How much can they skyrocket that stock price?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:03:02

        Exactly. Exactly. And that's what it's all about. And this is why people need mushrooms.

    17. BBBrigham Buhler1:03:06

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

        For real. I'm not kidding. I'm, I'm not kidding.

    19. NANarrator1:03:09

        Uh...

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:03:09

        'Cause there's, there's gonna come a point in time where people realize, like, th- there's gotta be a way to abandon this rid- ridiculous mindset that our country has been entrapped by.

    21. BBBrigham Buhler1:03:20

        Yeah. Well, and in t- in the state of Texas, how progressive is it that Texas passed that ibogaine bill?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:03:25

        It's amazing. Well, uh, kudos to Rick Perry, because him, as a Republican former governor championing this-

    23. BBBrigham Buhler1:03:32

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:03:32

        ... is so huge, because i- it... He has so many, uh, alliances with-

    25. BBBrigham Buhler1:03:37

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:37

        ... so many different people that will go, "Well, God, if Rick Perry is saying this..." And then, on top of that, it's veterans-

    27. BBBrigham Buhler1:03:44

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:44

        ... that are being positively affected by this compound, by, by ibogaine, by this psychedelic. And to deny veterans is very un-American. Right? So, if you're a Republican, good luck.

    29. BBBrigham Buhler1:03:56

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:56

        If you're, if you're doing something that fucks over veterans, and they organize against you, or people that support veterans o- organize against you... And not just veterans. Anybody who's experienced violent crime, anybody who's experienced horrific things in their life, drug addicts-
11. 1:18:10 – 1:50:48

    Glyphosate, Monsanto, and the push for legal immunity from future lawsuits

    1. BBBrigham Buhler1:18:10

       I think we're gonna ... You, you brought up lead, and I've been ... I wanted to get into the ... One, the state of Texas stuff, but which parallels and, and runs into the glyphosate shit, if you wanna talk about that. Do you want-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:18:21

       I would love to talk about that.

    3. BBBrigham Buhler1:18:22

       'Cause one of the things that's happening-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:18:23

       'Cause I know that they're ... They've got an alternative to l- glyphosate that's even worse.

    5. BBBrigham Buhler1:18:27

       Yeah. They do. And so one of the things that's happening is at the federal level, they are looking to give big ag and big chemical immunity on all these chemicals they're spraying on our food, and they're voting in secret. This is another fuckery moment as part of one of the bills that's being reviewed by Congress. They are attempting to vote in secrecy where we don't know who cast their vote to cast unified immunity on any future lawsuit against glyphosate or Atrazine.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:19:01

       And, well, we know how well that worked for vaccine manufacturers, so maybe we should try it.

    7. BBBrigham Buhler1:19:05

       Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:19:06

       (laughs)

    9. BBBrigham Buhler1:19:06

       And we do know, uh ... Let's, let's point this out that the company, Monsanto, that manufacturers glyphosate is the same company that created Agent Orange, is the same company that created DDT, is the same company that, with Bayer, tested their products on Nazi concentration camp victims, is the same company that pushed product into Third World nations where they didn't have checks and balances and couldn't come after them.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:19:30

        So let's just stop right there.

    11. BBBrigham Buhler1:19:32

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:19:32

        If Satan was a CEO, don't you think he'd be the head of that company?

    13. BBBrigham Buhler1:19:35

        Oh my God, dude.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:19:36

        Could you imagine it? But if it ... Like, if you said, well, there's a company in the world where Satan's the CEO, what, what company do you think that would be? And then you had all this evidence, you lay it out. You're like, "Oh my God. Satan's alive. He's real."

Episode duration: 3:20:07