Joe Rogan Experience #2378 - Charlie Sheen

1. 0:00 – 4:20

   Red carpets, paparazzi, and why fame can feel like “radiation”

   1. CSCharlie Sheen0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Great to finally meet you, man.

   4. CSCharlie Sheen0:14

      It's great to meet you. It's a trip and, and, uh, you know, walking in and I'm thinking, "Is there... How is it possible that our paths didn't cross-"

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      I know, it's weird.

   6. CSCharlie Sheen0:23

      "... all those years?" I mean, it's- it's- it's conceivable we were in the same venue, or the same building, or at the same party, or at least-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      Probably.

   8. CSCharlie Sheen0:31

      ... something.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      I kind of avoided parties. I avoid basically everything. (laughs)

   10. CSCharlie Sheen0:39

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       I avoided parties, I avoided, uh, premiers, any- anything where there was a red carpet. Uh, like even if I was in a movie, I wouldn't go on the red carpet, I'd go in through the back door.

   12. CSCharlie Sheen0:50

       Seriously?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Yeah, I don't like it.

   14. CSCharlie Sheen0:51

       Wow. Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I don't like all the, that fucking, "Look over here. Look over here."

   16. CSCharlie Sheen0:55

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       That is just-

   18. CSCharlie Sheen0:56

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       ... too fake for me. It just, whatever allergy I have to that flares and I'm like, "I'm going in through the back door. Fuck this."

   20. CSCharlie Sheen1:04

       Yeah. No, I don't, I don't blame you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       I don't like it.

   22. CSCharlie Sheen1:05

       I don't blame you. They, they stopped, um, uh, showing me where the back door was.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       (laughs)

   24. CSCharlie Sheen1:10

       Because I- I- I support a similar, uh, (laughs) entrance thing. Um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       It's just too weird.

   26. CSCharlie Sheen1:18

       But it's that, it's, "Look over here. Look over here."

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Uh-huh.

   28. CSCharlie Sheen1:20

       It's that thing. Something happens in that moment.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Yeah.

   30. CSCharlie Sheen1:23

       And I think it's like, it's, it, it brings you as close to possibly, uh, uh, sterilization-
2. 4:20 – 6:06

   A 2011 tweet comes true: Sheen finally on the podcast

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:20

      It's so odd. Yeah. What's really funny, at the, when I'm, when you first walked into the studio, you brought up a tweet that I had sent-

   2. CSCharlie Sheen4:29

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:29

      ... in 2011, and I think this was when you were going crazy.

   4. CSCharlie Sheen4:33

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      And, uh, I think this was also when my friend, Russell Peters, was doing those tours with you.

   6. CSCharlie Sheen4:39

      Oh, that's right, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:39

      It said, "I need to get Charlie Sheen on my podcast. I know it's a long shot, but a boy could dream. Bet everybody knows him. Help me hook it up."

   8. CSCharlie Sheen4:45

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:45

      Well, here we are-

   10. CSCharlie Sheen4:46

       Wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       ... 14 years later.

   12. CSCharlie Sheen4:47

       Yeah, you know, it takes what it takes, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Yeah.

   14. CSCharlie Sheen4:49

       Um-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       It's funny-

   16. CSCharlie Sheen4:50

       Gosh.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       ... 'cause back then, I don't think, I had no guests.

   18. CSCharlie Sheen4:52

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       I think I had, Anthony Bourdain was the only, like, real guest that I had had, uh-

   20. CSCharlie Sheen4:56

       Seriously?

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       ... by the time... Yeah, he was 2011 as well.

   22. CSCharlie Sheen4:59

       Wow, and, and how many shows had you done by then?

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       Not that many by then. I don't know.

   24. CSCharlie Sheen5:03

       So, were you just doing solo shows, just like covering topics and talking to camera?

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       I would do it mostly with my friends.

   26. CSCharlie Sheen5:07

       Ah, okay.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Mostly with other comics.

   28. CSCharlie Sheen5:08

       Okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       We would just sit and talk shit and then eventually-

   30. CSCharlie Sheen5:11

       At, at like your house or... Oh, okay.
3. 6:06 – 8:45

   The ‘winning’ era as a public train wreck—and the reinforcement that fueled it

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:06

      Yeah. Yeah. Um-... but we did it. We're here. That, those things that you did with Russell Peters were so fascinating. It was... The whole thing was so fascinating. I watched the Netflix thing. I watched the first episode, and, uh, the, the, the whole experience of watching the guy from Platoon, the guy that everybody knows, this is like this gigantic, super cool movie star, Hot Shots, all these different things, to watch you just- not just go off the rails with drugs, but like, be super open about it. You were like the first guy super open about it, you know? And everybody just embraced it. Instead of it being like, "Oh, Charlie Sheen's doing drugs. That's so sad." It was like, "We love him!"

   2. CSCharlie Sheen6:52

      Keep going.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:53

      It was kind of crazy.

   4. CSCharlie Sheen6:54

      Keep going.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:55

      All the tiger blood stuff, and winning. Everybody was saying winning all the time, and it, it-

   6. CSCharlie Sheen7:00

      It was...

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:01

      What was that like for you? Was that like... Was it the worst kind of reinforcement? Or what, or did it let you-

   8. CSCharlie Sheen7:09

      That's-

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:09

      Like, were you surprised by it?

   10. CSCharlie Sheen7:11

       That's a great way to describe it. It was... It, it is, yeah, I, uh, the worst kind of reinforcement. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       Yeah.

   12. CSCharlie Sheen7:16

       It was like, uh, s- unintentionally or otherwise celebrating a d- the, the, the, the, a guy's demise.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       Right.

   14. CSCharlie Sheen7:25

       You know? And, and, and I guess the, the, the train wreck was so spectacular that, or it was such a spectacle that they couldn't turn away. But they were also being invited in to, to follow it down the tracks.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:37

       Yeah.

   16. CSCharlie Sheen7:38

       You know? And, and, and somebody asked me about it, and, and, and I, you know, I don't know if I was the conductor or if I was riding the caboose or both simultaneously. Um, it was a trip, because thinking back on it, it's... You know, some of it just kind of exists in, in, uh, just Polaroid snapshots that kind of drift past through the mist, you know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       Mm-hmm.

   18. CSCharlie Sheen7:59

       Uh, other, other moments are in high def but kind of seen through a tunnel vision.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:04

       Hmm.

   20. CSCharlie Sheen8:05

       Like, and it, and, and it's... It was... Uh, there was an energy, or s- uh, it was... There was an energy I tapped into that felt like I was playing a role, but I couldn't figure out f- uh, wha- you know, what the movie, what the plot was.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       (laughs)

   22. CSCharlie Sheen8:20

       Who my costars were. (laughs) Where somebody, you know... If somebody'd show up with a, like a jig- page one re-write.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       Right.

   24. CSCharlie Sheen8:27

       That's what we fucking need, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       Yeah.

   26. CSCharlie Sheen8:29

       Um, and it, and it got away from me, and, and had it not been encouraged, I think it could've been curtailed. It could've been shut down a lot sooner. You know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       Right. But you, you become kind of captured to the image.

   28. CSCharlie Sheen8:44

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       Yeah.

4. 8:45 – 13:57

   Cocaine, testosterone, rage: bullying energy and losing the plot

   1. CSCharlie Sheen8:45

      And there was something that, uh, just recently, something I stumbled onto. Um, it's, um... I was, I was... In, in some way, um, I was being a bully. It had a bullying kind of energy about it, you know? And I've never been that guy. Like, I-

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:01

      How so? How so, like bullying?

   3. CSCharlie Sheen9:03

      The way I was attacking people, and the way I was challenging people.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:05

      Oh.

   5. CSCharlie Sheen9:05

      I was like the tough guy on the block, and had all these soldiers. I had this whole cadre behind me, and it was like, you know, inviting people into the ring. I've never been in the ring. What are we doing? You know? (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:16

      (laughs)

   7. CSCharlie Sheen9:16

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:16

      You're on coke. (laughs)

   9. CSCharlie Sheen9:19

      (laughs) Yeah. I'm on, I'm on-

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:19

       That's what it is. It's total cocaine behavior.

   11. CSCharlie Sheen9:21

       Among other things. Um, yeah, and, and I think, um, it, there was a whole testosterone component as well-

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:28

       Hmm.

   13. CSCharlie Sheen9:28

       ... that was, um, out of hand, just out of control. Because there's... You know, what do they recommend? Like, a quarter-sized dollop in, like every other day, and... No. Uh, I, there's a line in the book where I say, "I was s- I was slathering that, that shit on like a fucking Ponds commercial."

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       Oh, so you were using the cream?

   15. CSCharlie Sheen9:44

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Yeah.

   17. CSCharlie Sheen9:45

       Yeah. Which is hard to measure.

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       It's not just hard to measure, it gets on other people.

   19. CSCharlie Sheen9:49

       Oh.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       I read this story about this guy who was on TRT Cream, and his child started like showing signs of, uh, premature development.

   21. CSCharlie Sheen10:00

       Oh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       And they realized that this kid's testosterone level was through the roof because it's through the dermis, right? It's through the skin.

   23. CSCharlie Sheen10:07

       Right, right, right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       So he's getting it on his arms, and then he's hugging his child-

   25. CSCharlie Sheen10:11

       Hugging, wow.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       ... and the kid is getting juiced.

   27. CSCharlie Sheen10:13

       Like, what were the kid's numbers? Do we know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       We don't know.

   29. CSCharlie Sheen10:15

       Like into seven, eight hundreds? Or...

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:16

       I don't think they released that, but-
5. 13:57 – 16:42

   Reconciling with Chuck Lorre and the weight of unresolved conflict

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:57

      Did you ever talk to Chuck? Did you ever, like-

   2. CSCharlie Sheen13:58

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:58

      ... Chuck Lorre-

   4. CSCharlie Sheen13:59

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:59

      ... like, sorry about-

   6. CSCharlie Sheen14:00

      Yeah, no, it was-

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:01

      Yeah?

   8. CSCharlie Sheen14:01

      Yeah, no, that was, I was really grateful we were able to do that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:04

      Oh, that's nice.

   10. CSCharlie Sheen14:04

       Because, yeah, I was carrying that around for too long, you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:06

       Yeah.

   12. CSCharlie Sheen14:07

       He hired me for a show he had a few years ago called Bookie with Sebastian Maniscalco, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       Oh, yeah, that's right.

   14. CSCharlie Sheen14:14

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       Yeah.

   16. CSCharlie Sheen14:14

       So I came in and did, I played myself, did w- a few scenes, did a cameo, you know, did some fun stuff, and just back on a set with Chuck, and, and it was like, it was, it just felt like it, like it, like it, like it did in the, in the early parts of-

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:26

       Well, that's, well, good on him-

   18. CSCharlie Sheen14:27

       ... yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:27

       ... for not holding a grudge, too.

   20. CSCharlie Sheen14:29

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       That's, that's awesome.

   22. CSCharlie Sheen14:31

       Sorry I lost that thought earlier.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       Yeah.

   24. CSCharlie Sheen14:32

       I was kind of like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       No, no, no, no, no.

   26. CSCharlie Sheen14:32

       ... "Where the hell was I going?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       Well, it's a, it's a complicated thing to think about, like, "Why did I go off the rails?" You know? It's like, and it's very reasonable. (laughs)

   28. CSCharlie Sheen14:42

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:42

       Here's the thing. Uh, d- I don't think anybody but Charlie Sheen knows what it's like to be Charlie Sheen, and in my estimation, there are a scant few people that have become massive superstars at a young age-

   30. CSCharlie Sheen14:58

       Right.
6. 16:42 – 22:28

   Why memory fails: false memories, trauma, and rewriting the past

   1. CSCharlie Sheen16:42

      Can I just get a tissue, do you mind?

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:43

      Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

   3. NANarrator16:44

      Uh-

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:44

      Jimmy, you got a box?

   5. CSCharlie Sheen16:48

      Awesome, thank you. Sorry, I'm just-

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:51

      No worries. Getting sweaty? Is it hot in here? We can turn the AC on.

   7. CSCharlie Sheen16:56

      No, I'll tell you exactly what happened. I got, I f- lost that thought, and then I tried to cover, and then I realized, "This is a, he's not buying this," and then I started sweating.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:03

      (laughs)

   9. CSCharlie Sheen17:03

      And I started fucking sweating. So I'm just gonna (laughs) -

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       No, it's normal, man.

   11. CSCharlie Sheen17:07

       ... lose control. Sorry, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       Just say you lost your thought. It's all good.

   13. CSCharlie Sheen17:08

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       It happens all the time. It happens to me too.

   15. CSCharlie Sheen17:11

       (laughs) Why is that though? Is our brain already trying to figure out the next thing that's going to attach to it, and by doing so, it took that, the main thing and just dismissed it?

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       (clicks tongue) Perhaps.

   17. CSCharlie Sheen17:22

       Okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       It's also brains are just not that good.

   19. CSCharlie Sheen17:24

       Huh.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       You know?

   21. CSCharlie Sheen17:25

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       They're, they're pretty good compared to chimp- panzees and dogs-

   23. CSCharlie Sheen17:29

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       ... and stuff like that.

   25. CSCharlie Sheen17:29

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       But, you know, they have a lot of issues.

   27. CSCharlie Sheen17:31

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       Just like when you were talking about your memories. Like, my me- all, my memories of my whole life are like a series of blurry snapshots that I can go, "Oh, yeah, and then we went there. Oh, yeah, that happened."

   29. CSCharlie Sheen17:42

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:43

       "Oh, yeah."
7. 22:28 – 24:08

   From bad memory to transhumanism: the hard-drive brain pitch

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:28

      You, you, you know, ob- like, you see someone die, you see someone jump off a building, you're gonna remember that. But there's some stuff that it's just our m- you know... This is one of the scariest things about transhumanism, is that it's really appealing in the idea that it... They give you a little hard drive in your brain, and now from now on, every time you want a memory, you can go just like... You know, you look on your phone, like your iPhone. On this day in 2017, you're like, "Oh, look at us. Oh, that's cool." You're gonna be able to do that in your brain, you know? And the way that we're gonna buy into it is because our memory sucks. 'Cause it's just-

   2. CSCharlie Sheen23:02

      That, that's how they're gonna sell it to us?

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:04

      Yeah.

   4. CSCharlie Sheen23:04

      Interesting.

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:05

      Yeah. I mean, do you remember your phone number when you were a kid?

   6. CSCharlie Sheen23:08

      Um, no. But I remember my address because it rhymed.

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:11

      That's nice.

   8. CSCharlie Sheen23:12

      Yeah. It was 7212 Bird View Avenue, Malibu.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:15

      Well, you used to remember your phone number. What happened? It goes away 'cause your memory sucks.

   10. CSCharlie Sheen23:19

       Right. I, I, I, I know my parents' number because they still have a landline.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:23

       Oh, they're still rocking the landline?

   12. CSCharlie Sheen23:25

       Yeah, they are. Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:26

       Wow.

   14. CSCharlie Sheen23:26

       And they have an answering machine.

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:28

       Whoa.

   16. CSCharlie Sheen23:28

       Yeah. That during dinner, they haven't really turned it down far enough.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:32

       Oh, and then people start talking in the background?

   18. CSCharlie Sheen23:34

       Yeah. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:36

       (laughs)

   20. CSCharlie Sheen23:36

       But it's just part of it. It's part of the-

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:39

       What? (laughs) It's wild.

   22. CSCharlie Sheen23:39

       It's part of the ex- part of the experience, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:39

       They're rocking a landline with an answering machine in 2025. That is-

   24. CSCharlie Sheen23:44

       Yeah. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:44

       It's probably the way to do it. I used to love the answering machine. When you come home, the light would be flashing like, "Someone likes me."

   26. CSCharlie Sheen23:50

       Right. Right. Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:50

       "Somebody called."

   28. CSCharlie Sheen23:51

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       Yeah.

   30. CSCharlie Sheen23:52

       Yeah.
8. 24:08 – 27:14

   Fame before the internet vs. the livestream era: solitude, anxiety, and attention addiction

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:08

      Yeah. That was a wild time where you could get phone calls. That's the other thing is, like, you got famous before the internet, too.

   2. NANarrator24:15

      ... which is a different world. It's a different world, 'cause there's not that many of you. There's way less famous people. There's way more famous people now.

   3. CSCharlie Sheen24:23

      Yeah.

   4. NANarrator24:24

      You got famous, like super duper famous, at 21 years old with no internet.

   5. CSCharlie Sheen24:29

      Trip out. Yeah, I know.

   6. NANarrator24:31

      (laughs)

   7. CSCharlie Sheen24:32

      (laughs)

   8. NANarrator24:32

      How does anybody expect you to come out normal? Jesus Christ.

   9. CSCharlie Sheen24:36

      And, and, and, and it's... And you try... You can't really even explain to someone that, that, that, that wasn't around during all that. You can't really explain what it felt like, 'cause they, they look at it as the things that were missing. And, and there, there wasn't anything missing, you know?

   10. NANarrator24:51

       Right, right.

   11. CSCharlie Sheen24:52

       It was about having to really be engaged in everything you were doing, you know? You had to show up to, to, to, to, y- you know, uh, to gain... T- t- to get a like, you had to enter the building, you know?

   12. NANarrator25:06

       Right, right, right.

   13. CSCharlie Sheen25:06

       You had to go to a... on a talk show. You had to attend a junket. You... You know what I'm saying?

   14. NANarrator25:11

       Mm-hmm.

   15. CSCharlie Sheen25:12

       And you couldn't... And nobody knew... Nobody knew what the behind-the-scenes of your movie looked like until, you know, years later on the DVD feature or, or the VHS feature-

   16. NANarrator25:21

       Right.

   17. CSCharlie Sheen25:22

       ... that they finally saw some of that stuff, you know?

   18. NANarrator25:24

       Yeah.

   19. CSCharlie Sheen25:24

       It wasn't, it wasn't a- all, all-access 24/7, 365, you know?

   20. NANarrator25:31

       And for some people, they can't leave it alone. They, they have to live stream during the day. They're live-streaming from their trailer. They're live-streaming on... in their car on the way home. They're like...

   21. CSCharlie Sheen25:40

       Yeah, what is that about?

   22. NANarrator25:41

       They're nuts. They're just locked into this weird new world that we're living in.

   23. CSCharlie Sheen25:46

       But is it... I mean, is it because there's genuinely people that are tuning in with enthusiasm, that are looking forward to that live stream in the car ride home? Or because the person f- or, or is it a combination?

   24. NANarrator26:00

       I think it's those things, and it's also that thing that you said that you didn't ever get, they're scared of. You didn't ever get alone time.

   25. CSCharlie Sheen26:07

       Mm.

   26. NANarrator26:08

       Just, just time to decompress and think.

   27. CSCharlie Sheen26:10

       Interesting.

   28. NANarrator26:10

       Just be by yourself. No phone, no TV. Just fucking sit on the couch and just, like, catch, catch your breath.

   29. CSCharlie Sheen26:17

       Right.

   30. NANarrator26:17

       And they don't want that. That's... They're scared of that-
9. 27:14 – 31:57

   Platoon up close: a script that didn’t read like a masterpiece—and why continuity filming mattered

   1. NANarrator27:14

      It's normal. It's normal. When you, um... When you first got Platoon, did you have any idea, like, what the fuck was gonna happen?

   2. CSCharlie Sheen27:23

      I didn't. I didn't.

   3. NANarrator27:25

      Is that... For, for people today, to, to understand how big that movie was, 'cause it was... it was one of the very first realistic war movies. And, I think very importantly, it was done by Oliver Stone, who was actually a veteran of the Vietnam War. You remembering what you wrote down? What you, uh...

   4. CSCharlie Sheen27:44

      Just that, that piece, yeah.

   5. NANarrator27:45

      (laughs)

   6. CSCharlie Sheen27:45

      I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna forget it again.

   7. NANarrator27:47

      Okay.

   8. CSCharlie Sheen27:47

      Pardon. Sorry.

   9. NANarrator27:49

      But that... It was... it was a different kind of war movie, you know?

   10. CSCharlie Sheen27:53

       Yeah, it, um-

   11. NANarrator27:55

       Much in the lines of your dad's movie.

   12. CSCharlie Sheen27:57

       Yeah.

   13. NANarrator27:58

       You know? And that, that was a very different kind of war movie as well.

   14. CSCharlie Sheen28:00

       Yeah, Apocalypse from-

   15. NANarrator28:02

       Mm-hmm.

   16. CSCharlie Sheen28:02

       ... here, Platoon, you know, boots on the ground.

   17. NANarrator28:06

       Mm-hmm.

   18. CSCharlie Sheen28:07

       Um, the script didn't read like it was going to be a masterpiece. The, the script read, um, like a, like a... k- kind of like a docudrama, sort of movie-of-the-week. It didn't-

   19. NANarrator28:25

       Hmm.

   20. CSCharlie Sheen28:25

       Didn't read that script and say, "Oh, wow. Okay, yeah, this is the one. People are gonna really... Wow, they're gonna worship this thing." It didn't... The dialogue was very clipped and very, um, very specific. Um, it, it... You kind of never really knew where you were in the script, in the scene descriptions, you know?

   21. NANarrator28:47

       Hmm.

   22. CSCharlie Sheen28:48

       I- i- the script was so lean. I think it was, like, barely 100 pages.

   23. NANarrator28:52

       Really?

   24. CSCharlie Sheen28:53

       Yeah. Um, so... But it, it... I, I, I didn't realize sort of, um, what, what we were doing until we were actually doing it. Usually I can read a scene and get a sense of, you know, what my responsibilities are gonna be or how we're gonna break it down, or at least, you know, how, how I'm gonna see it on the screen. And I couldn't, I couldn't do that with Platoon, because all the terrain, all the scenes, everything kind of felt very similar, you know?

   25. NANarrator29:25

       Really?

   26. CSCharlie Sheen29:25

       Yeah, and the original title was The Platoon.

   27. NANarrator29:29

       Hmm.

   28. CSCharlie Sheen29:30

       You think it's a- as big a hit if he keeps the "the"?

   29. NANarrator29:32

       Yeah, I don't think it matters.

   30. CSCharlie Sheen29:34

       (laughs)
10. 31:57 – 39:33

    JFK assassination deep dive: magic bullets, missing evidence, and endless rabbit holes

    1. CSCharlie Sheen31:57

       That's deep. That's deep. Yeah. Wow. D- Has he landed on like what... Uh, can he, can he point to or, or is it... Is it, is it several factors?

    2. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       More than anybody can point to, but there's a lot of people that wanted him dead. And for sure, there was a lot of fuckery going on with the Warren Commission, for sure.

    3. CSCharlie Sheen32:13

       Right, right, right.

    4. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       There's a lot of nonsense with the autopsies, there's a lot of nonsense with the single bullet going through both him and Connally, and leaving more bullet fragments in Connally's wrist than that magic bullet was missing, the one they found.

    5. CSCharlie Sheen32:28

       Right, right, right. Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan32:29

       It's like bullshit. The story is filled with bullshit.

    7. CSCharlie Sheen32:30

       Yeah, yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan32:31

       And no one really knew how much bullshit it was until, um, they had that video that they played of the Zapruder film on the Geraldo Rivera Show-

    9. CSCharlie Sheen32:39

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan32:40

        ... when Dick Gregory came on and... Who was a comedian, which is pretty wild, came on and had the footage of the Kennedy assassination. Everybody sees Kennedy's head go back and to the left and you're like-

    11. CSCharlie Sheen32:50

        Right. (slaps table)

    12. JRJoe Rogan32:50

        ... "What? What happened there?"

    13. CSCharlie Sheen32:53

        And you immediately apply just ph- s- c- simple common physics to it.

    14. JRJoe Rogan32:58

        Yeah.

    15. CSCharlie Sheen32:59

        You know? Especially anybody who's, who's ever fired a weapon.

    16. JRJoe Rogan33:01

        Also, it clearly looks like he got shot in the chest too, like when he grabs his neck.

    17. CSCharlie Sheen33:06

        Right, right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan33:06

        It clearly looks like he got shot right there.

    19. CSCharlie Sheen33:08

        And there's always that talk about doing a trach.

    20. JRJoe Rogan33:10

        Uh-huh.

    21. CSCharlie Sheen33:11

        He did a trach on uh-

    22. JRJoe Rogan33:11

        But, you know, there's two different autopsies.

    23. CSCharlie Sheen33:13

        Right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan33:13

        There's the autopsy in Dallas that says it's an entry wound, and there's the autopsy in Bethesda, Maryland that says it's a tracheotomy.

    25. CSCharlie Sheen33:19

        Interesting.

    26. JRJoe Rogan33:20

        Yeah.

    27. CSCharlie Sheen33:20

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan33:20

        Two different autopsies.

    29. CSCharlie Sheen33:21

        Make up your mind. (laughs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan33:22

        Yeah.
11. 39:33 – 1:21:56

    From Manson to QAnon: real conspiracies vs. disinformation that discredits truth

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:33

       And then the Jack Ruby thing, where Jack Ruby goes completely insane in jail after he's visited by Jolly West, who was the head of MKUltra-

    2. CSCharlie Sheen39:41

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:41

       ... who was, like, routinely dosing people with acid.

    4. CSCharlie Sheen39:44

       Yeah. Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:45

       He cooked Jolly ... He got like ... Jolly West cooked Jack Ruby's brain in jail, uh, and just-

    6. CSCharlie Sheen39:51

       Wow.

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:51

       ... left him insane.

    8. CSCharlie Sheen39:53

       He's the guy from, um ... what's the book that it's named?

    9. JRJoe Rogan39:56

       Chaos.

    10. CSCharlie Sheen39:57

        From Chaos, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:58

        Yeah.

    12. CSCharlie Sheen39:58

        I actually read Chaos before it got all the attention.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:01

        Really?

    14. CSCharlie Sheen40:01

        Yeah. Um, friend of mine gave it to me, and I was ... and I went, "All right, I'll, I'll read a couple pages." And I was like, "Oh."

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:08

        Yeah.

    16. CSCharlie Sheen40:08

        "Oh, okay."

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:09

        "This is good."

    18. CSCharlie Sheen40:09

        "This is ... This is ..." Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:10

        This is one of the best books.

    20. CSCharlie Sheen40:11

        This is, this is different take.

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:12

        Yeah.

    22. CSCharlie Sheen40:13

        But I'm curious how you felt about the documentary they did about it.

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:18

        I didn't watch it.

    24. CSCharlie Sheen40:19

        Okay. I-

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:20

        I thought it was gonna be too quick. 90 minutes I didn't think was, like, enough time. It's only 90 minutes, right? Something like that.

    26. CSCharlie Sheen40:25

        I thought it was the first episode.

    27. JRJoe Rogan40:28

        Oh, you thought there was gonna be more.

    28. CSCharlie Sheen40:28

        So I watched it sort of like a data gathering thing-

    29. JRJoe Rogan40:31

        Yeah.

    30. CSCharlie Sheen40:31

        ... that you usually do with the first episode-

Episode duration: 2:51:45