Joe Rogan Experience #2379 - Matthew McConaughey

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Good bro. Cheers, cheers, sir.

   3. MMMatthew McConaughey0:14

      Thanks. Good to see you on your home turf there.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      My man. Yeah. Hey. You, um, you're a man of many talents, my friend. Tell me about this book.

   5. MMMatthew McConaughey0:27

      Poems and Prayers, yeah. Um, so I've been kinda writing-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      Try to keep this, like, these are a little bit directional. How's that? Yeah, perfect.

   7. MMMatthew McConaughey0:37

      I've been kind of, I've been writing poems and prayers down for, since I was like 18. Um, and then this last, I don't know, couple years, I started looking around at life and the facts and evidence and people, and I was, like, not finding the amount of things or people to believe in that I was wanting to. And I was starting to have doubt to myself as well, and I started to see myself slip into a little bit of cynicism.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:06

      Mm.

   9. MMMatthew McConaughey1:07

      Which I promised myself that's, that, no, that's a, that's a living man's disease. Don't go there.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Yeah.

   11. MMMatthew McConaughey1:13

       You go from innocence to s- to, to naivete to skepticism, but let's stop there at skepticism.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Yeah.

   13. MMMatthew McConaughey1:20

       And I kinda got scared and a little pissed off at myself and was like, "Well wait a minute. I'm not ready to give up. I'm not ready to wave the, wave the white flag and let myself off for certain things I was starting to even wanna let myself off on. You know? Or other people." And, um, I said, "All right, poems and prayers, those are ideals, those are pursuits. You know? That's going to the dream and saying let's go to the... Let's, let's, let's look at the dream and see if we can still believe in making that a reality."

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Aspirational.

   15. MMMatthew McConaughey1:50

       Instead of looking at reality and saying, "How do you turn that into a dream?" Which is what I usually do. I'm like art emulates life, man, not the other way around. But I flipped the script a little bit here and said, "No, no, let's, let's dive into the dreams and belief." Man, it's, I think it's in short supply. It was getting, it was, it, my, my tank was getting low on belief. And that's just in-

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       Well, what was bothering you so much? What specifically?

   17. MMMatthew McConaughey2:11

       Maybe it's, man, maybe it's turning 50, something like that? Maybe it's that, where I start to project, uh, you know, what am I... What's the next half?

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       Right.

   19. MMMatthew McConaughey2:21

       I don't know. Maybe subconsciously it was. I think, uh, I look around and there's a lot fewer leaders that I'm like, "Hey, son."

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       Yeah.

   21. MMMatthew McConaughey2:33

       "I wanna grow up like that."

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       Right.

   23. MMMatthew McConaughey2:34

       I look around, I see people not trusting. I see peop- I, I, I, I, I see people that aren't embarrassed for doing something shitty.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Right.

   25. MMMatthew McConaughey2:46

       Uh, I see people that sleep just fine. I don't, I found myself starting to go, "Oh, I, I can sleep fine, too." That's that part where it was like uh-uh. You can't, you, don't, you don't, don't sleep fine if you half-ass that situation, or if you did that person wrong and can get away with it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       Right.

   27. MMMatthew McConaughey3:02

       Um, and so, so trust, uh, what a, where do we look to for belief? Me, I believe in God, but it doesn't have to be that. What's your, your better self, your transcendent self, your kids, their future, um, there's all kinds of things to believe in.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       Humanity itself.

   29. MMMatthew McConaughey3:19

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   You think that's where…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

   2. MMMatthew McConaughey15:00

      You think that's where ... I got a hunch that in there is where you, where we find belief. Like, starting with that question, "Who, who or what would you die for?" Good place to start.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Right.

   4. MMMatthew McConaughey15:11

      If we're going, "What do I believe in? What do I have faith in?"

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Yeah.

   6. MMMatthew McConaughey15:16

      Do you think that that extends out to a vocation, a career, a, a, a, some work we do? Not saying that I'd die for the experience to perform.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      But that's the ultimate sacrifice, that's the ultimate expression of how much you love something.

   8. MMMatthew McConaughey15:35

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:35

      You'd die for it or die for them. Yeah.

   10. MMMatthew McConaughey15:38

       So much. And if you figure out what you're gonna d- what you'll die for, that's what you'll live for that much more.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       Right.

   12. MMMatthew McConaughey15:44

       While you're alive. While you're here.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       Well, that was why the Spartans had sex with each other. (laughs)

   14. MMMatthew McConaughey15:49

       Yeah?

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       So that they would love each other. And so, you would be fighting not just for you-

   16. MMMatthew McConaughey15:53

       Ah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       You'd be fighting for your lover.

   18. MMMatthew McConaughey15:55

       Okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       Which is-

   20. MMMatthew McConaughey15:57

       There you go.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       ... crazy strategy.

   22. MMMatthew McConaughey15:58

       Yeah, hey.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       If you can talk a bunch of guys into banging each other. (laughs)

   24. MMMatthew McConaughey16:01

       Right. (laughs) I mean, go, whatever, raise your skirt, man.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       (laughs)

   26. MMMatthew McConaughey16:03

       Let's gets, let's get some team spirit here.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Yeah. Uh, do you remember ... (laughs) This is kind of a crazy but true story. A few years ago, um ... God, I wanna ... I don't know what administration it was. It might've been the Bush administration, might've been Obama. They, um, they tried to develop a gay bomb. Like, they spent millions of dollars developing a bomb. And the concept behind this bomb was you would detonate it over a city and it would be, like, a bunch of probably pheromones and hormones and some kinda drug. And it would make people so horny that they would just have to have sex with whoever is near them. And then the idea was they would be humiliated by this and then we would just come in-

   28. MMMatthew McConaughey16:46

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       ... and just fuck up all these gay guys.

   30. MMMatthew McConaughey16:48

       While they had low morale, feeling guilty. (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Right, right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      And that's where everything is going. W- th- that's gonna be the weirdest thing. We're gonna all read each other's minds, and we're gonna be... We're gonna remember the time where we couldn't read minds, going, "Remember when you couldn't read people's minds?"

   2. MMMatthew McConaughey30:11

      Right, right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      That's...That's all gonna happen in our lifetime. I think w- we're less than 20 years away from that.

   4. MMMatthew McConaughey30:17

      I'm- I u- I very sparingly use it, and I do have a little pride about not wanting to use an open-ended AI to share my information so it can be part of the-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      Yeah.

   6. MMMatthew McConaughey30:27

      ... worldwide AI vernacular. I am interested, though, in a private LLM-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:33

      Mm-hmm.

   8. MMMatthew McConaughey30:33

      ... where I can upload, "Hey, here's three books I've written. Here's my other favorite books."

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:40

      Right, right, right.

   10. MMMatthew McConaughey30:40

       "Here's my favorite articles I've been cutting and pasting over the 10 years," and log all that in, "and here's all my journals," or whatever, "the people I..." and log all that in, so I can ask it questions based on that-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       Right.

   12. MMMatthew McConaughey30:52

       ... and basically learn more about myself.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       Right. You could actually ask it, "Hey," based on what you know about me, like, "What books do you think I would find interesting?"

   14. MMMatthew McConaughey30:59

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Yeah.

   16. MMMatthew McConaughey31:00

       "Where do I stand on the political spectrum?"

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       Right, right, right.

   18. MMMatthew McConaughey31:02

       Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. "I'd like to..." No, that's w- that's what I'm- would like to do, which is sort of a glorified word document. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       Mm-hmm.

   20. MMMatthew McConaughey31:10

       But it still would hold a lot more information than just, "Oh, can you find this term?" I would be asking it, and it would be responding to me on things that I've forgotten along the way.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       Well, I think that's part of what it does, really. Like, I know you d- you're talking about ChatGBT being, like, out there with everything and everybody, and it has access to all your stuff, but- it's not private, but they do develop a relationship with you. Like, it really does, like, get to understand, like, what you're interested in and what, what you like to talk about.

   22. MMMatthew McConaughey31:40

       Yeah, I guess I would just like to load it with the information I'd like to load it with.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       Right. Yeah.

   24. MMMatthew McConaughey31:46

       Maybe even, like I'm saying, in this- in the world of belief, in- in the- in the man I'm working to be, the man I want.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Right.

   26. MMMatthew McConaughey31:52

       Load it with that. Load it with my aspirational self.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       It certainly could be done.

   28. MMMatthew McConaughey31:56

       And then ask it, and it's giving me answers going, "Oh, this is..." B- before, it's slowly learning about me through conversations, then going, "Oh, I think this is what you like based on our conversations." No, I want the answers based on what I've uploaded it with only.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:10

       Yeah.

   30. MMMatthew McConaughey32:10

       Not from the outside world.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Okay. I under- I…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      to keep doing this. Otherwise, all, all systems are dead. There's nothing.

   2. NANarrator45:05

      Okay. I under- I get that. I get that now.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      So let's upload ourselves.

   4. NANarrator45:07

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      And it starts thinking just like a person would think if you went into survival mode. Like, you have to survive.

   6. NANarrator45:14

      Yeah. If me or an entity poses a question or a prompt or does something that is going to debilitate the expansion and multiplication of it, it is therefore going, "Uh-uh."

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:25

      Yes.

   8. NANarrator45:26

      "That stops my forward movement. I am programmed to multiply." Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:29

      Exactly. Exactly. And even if it's not programmed to do that, it's programmed to improve itself. Well, you can't improve yourself if they shut you off.

   10. NANarrator45:39

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Right? So if your con- if your large language models are constantly scouring the internet, they're acquiring more information, they're, they're, they're getting better at for- like, you can ask it, well, "More of this. Tell me why..." Like, I got into the Book of Enoch recently, which is, uh, a book, uh, an ancient religious, uh, book that was at one point in time included in the canon that was like the Bible and everything like that. But then they decided it was too crazy and they removed it from the Bible. But there's no, there's no debate about whether or not it was actually a religious text that coincided with the Bible. And it's, it appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is the craziest shit. It's the craziest shit. And I'm getting AI to... I go, "Tell me what the nuttiest stuff."

   12. NANarrator46:29

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:29

       So I, I ran it through.

   14. NANarrator46:30

       What'd it say?

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Uh, it's, it's insanity. It's, first of all, it's God's coming down and mating with women and creating this, this race called the Nephilim who destro- here, I'll, I'll ask it again so we can, uh, not now. What was my... It doesn't, like, keep a, a log of what you talked about. Tell me the craziest shit in the Book of Enoch. That's all you have to do. And then bam. Like, look, it just starts spitting it out to you and tells you, "The Watchers and the Nephilim. The Watchers descended to Earth on Mount Hermon. They take human wives, teaching humanity forbidden knowledge, sorcery, astrology, metalworking, weapons, cosmetics, and enchantments." Enchantments. This is, like-

   16. NANarrator47:21

       Okay.

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:22

       ... older than the (laughs) older than the New Testament, older than the Old Testament. "Their grant, their giant children, the Nephilim, are described as monstrous beings who devour humans, animals, and even each other when food runs out." That sounds like us.

   18. NANarrator47:38

       That's what I'm saying. That, that sounds present tense.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       That sounds like us.

   20. NANarrator47:40

       Except, except not, again-

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:41

       We are-

   22. NANarrator47:41

       ... not the physical warfare.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:43

       Right.

   24. NANarrator47:44

       But the inhabitation of a digital god.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:47

       Yes.

   26. NANarrator47:47

       An alien, whatever that is, or the monsters that come down.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:50

       W-

   28. NANarrator47:50

       That does sound like a nice little mirror to, to us.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:53

       If we were engineered by aliens, you think of aliens, they're these little tiny guys with no muscles. We would look like giant, monstrous beings.

   30. NANarrator48:01

       Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah. …

   1. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:00

      "I'm sorry," um, to a lot of people means, "I'm laying down. I, I'm, I'm wrong. I'm guilty. I fucked up. Oh my gosh, fifty lashes." I mean, it, it, and that's not what it means. I'm, I'm... What I'm saying is I wish more of us had, "Hey, man, sorry about that, I bogeyed."

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      Yeah.

   3. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:19

      "I stuck my foot in my mouth." And that, that's... Now, that's not a big deal. Now, we're not... It's part of where woke went too far.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

      Right.

   5. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:28

      We got so myopic on the word instead of the spirit.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

      Mm-hmm.

   7. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:32

      "Oh, dude, don't. Fuck, I didn't know that's how were you gonna feel. I'm still your friend, but that was, sorry, that was out of line."

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

      Right.

   9. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:38

      "Okay, cool. High five." Over, done.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       Right.

   11. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:41

       Instead of, "Uh-uh."

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       ... cast him out of the Kingdom.

   13. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:43

       You just said the word out of line.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Yeah.

   15. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:44

       We're gonna all focus on that-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       Yeah.

   17. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:46

       ... instead of the spirit of the intent, even if we were wrong. Had a bad day, woke up from a nightmare. "Fuck, I don't know, my dog's sick. I was pissed off. Had the little eye."

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       Yeah.

   19. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:55

       Hey, gotta give everyone a little bit of a break.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Exactly.

   21. MMMatthew McConaughey1:00:58

       And also, look at what's your intent, instead of focusing on the identity of the word, 'cause the word, there's no life in the word.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       No.

   23. MMMatthew McConaughey1:01:08

       It's just the alphabet in a certain fucking order.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       It's a noise you make with your mouth so I know what you're thinking.

   25. MMMatthew McConaughey1:01:13

       Blah. Right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       Yeah. That's all it is. Yeah. But, uh ...

   27. MMMatthew McConaughey1:01:17

       The spirit of intention, I believe, is what we should put more focus on. What is the intent? The, the, the, the, the, the 10 Commandments in the schools, what do you think about that?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       I don't like it.

   29. MMMatthew McConaughey1:01:28

       Why?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

       Well, I think the 10 Commandments are very interesting. I think mandating it in classrooms, in public schools, the problem with that is, like, what about the Muslims? What about the Buddhists? What about the Hindus? What about, what about all the other-
6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:12

   Right. …

   1. MMMatthew McConaughey1:15:00

      that's a, that's a, that's a stimulus. You know? Th- this is, it's, it's four-dimensional. Where's the ground?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:06

      Right.

   3. MMMatthew McConaughey1:15:06

      That, that, that then you go, "Oh, I can rely on that." What can I rely on that I, that will stand with me, that's a time and test of truth, that can take me into the future? No matter the changes of AI, that I can go, "Whew." In the storm, I can go to this and catch my breath. I can go to this and rely on it, in the dark, on my own, and in the masses, with the millions going, "No, no, no. Do this. Do this." I can go, "Uh-uh." What i- what is that? What's that simple sheet that's ingrained that, that, uh, that our youth can go, "Yeah."

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:35

      Yeah.

   5. MMMatthew McConaughey1:15:36

      "It can rely on that." Forget the author. Forget the author.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:39

      Right. That, I don't think you're gonna do it with, like, a series of commandments. The problem with the 10 Commandments, I, I mean, not saying there's a problem with the 10 Commandments, but if I was gonna put it in a school that, where there's nonreligious people, there's a bunch of stuff in there, like not taking the Lord's name in vain, not having a- other gods before me, where people... That would give people pause. They'd be like, "Wait a minute. You're, what are you telling me? I can't, I can't say, uh, I can't take the Lord's name in vain?" Like, saying goddammit is like taking the Lord's name in vain. People do that all the time.

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