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(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast.…
- NANarrator
(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) No. 85?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Drop some headphones on, no trouble.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Damn.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you have to... Well, see, if you- if you're gonna shoot something at 45, you really wanna be comfortable at twice that.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
So I'll shoot 90, I'll shoot 100 yards.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Jesus.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah, because that way-
- TKTaylor Kitsch
That's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
... when you get into 40 it seems normal.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It seems easy.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
It's the easy day.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's all just about, like, effective distance.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Would you take a shot at 85?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
That's far.
- JRJoe Rogan
You might take a follow-up shot. Like if you know-
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the animal's already gonna go down.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you can... If you can, you should always get a second shot on them.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So I'll take a second shot at 85, but I would never-
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Have you had one and- and it just fucking ran, just gone?
- 15:00 – 30:00
Yeah. …
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And, uh, it's those moments though that, that he allows you to just go, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he's such a smart guy.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
He is, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's such a-
- TKTaylor Kitsch
When he's dialed, he's like ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
... Lone, he was just so present and early, and he just, w- I mean, we were surrounded by SEALs, as you know, every take. And, um, I don't think you could do what we did to f- in prep of just like, no producers, no Pete, no nothing. It's just every morning, 7:00 AM, 8:00 AM, we're up in the mountain, uh, with SEALs, with Ray Mendoza and, uh, amazing guys. And, uh, we s- oh, first week is like first day, man. I'm Canadian so I haven't shot a fucking gun in my life. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And-
- JRJoe Rogan
The first time you ever shot a gun was in Lone Survivor?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
W- yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's hilarious.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
So first, Chris Karachi, who's a fucking legend, a man's man, um, and he, I think he was like one of the, on the first team, uh, SEAL team units, and the deepest voice you've ever heard in your life, and like a fucking man. And, uh, he took me under his wing, and so our first day was live fire. And Karachi took me aside, he's like, "Hey, it's you and me." And I'm like, "Let's go." And I'm like as fit as I ever have been. I was running Town Lake doing the Murph every fucking three times a week with weighted vests. And, uh, just at Lake Travis High School there doing pull-ups, and it was unbelievable fun training for that. And, um, first day was live fire, and that fucking gets you right. That d- you do not fuck around, and, uh, they make sure of it. And then, uh, I haven't, I hadn't met Markus yet, and Foster, uh, had drove down I think from Texas to, uh, New Mexico with, with Latrell. I was pretty jealous of that. I was like, "Ah, you got to spend some real time with Markus." And I was playing Mike obviously, and, and, uh, who is Markus' best friend. And so we're on this fucking range doing live fire, like upside down reloads, combat reloads, jamming, blindfold, it was just, it was full on. And Emile's actually a great shot. Um, Markus comes, everything goes full stop, and right when he's coming there's a PA on the other side, and she's bringing fucking banana, uh, shakes out, which is not a good look for these actors.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And Markus looks at these shakes, and he looks at the actors, and he's like, "What the fuck is happening? You guys don't get shakes in between fights." (laughs) And one of the actors just shamelessly goes up and grabs one of these banana shakes, and he's just talking to Markus-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TKTaylor Kitsch
... meeting him for the first time. (laughs) And I'm like, "You might wanna put that down." Like wait 'til he fucking leaves before-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
But, and then, uh, it's just a beautiful experience, man. Um-... the second week of training, we were doing simunitions. Have you done that?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Oh, you would love it. So this'll break skin, and, uh, they hurt. It's like a hard plastic, paint-tipped, and they fly like that, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
They arc?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause they don't go as fast?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And, uh, so we have sims now, and Mike would... I- my guy decides if we push left, push right, if we engage, get the fuck outta here, let's buy ourselves some time, whatever. I gotta make these calls. And, um, so the SEALs are in tally gear, and they're like, "Go up the mountain."
- JRJoe Rogan
What's tally gear?
- 30:00 – 45:00
Was it weird watching…
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And then I had explosions in my head and I was like, "Goddamn, this is too..." Like, you're overwhelmed with emotion. And Pete comes up and he's like, "Get it out." And so I took five minutes, camera crew's waiting. We did like... I told Pete I want that rifle to, him to climb up with the, the rifle. And, um, I think we did three takes. And then the camera crew, Jacques was a, he's a DP. He DPed American Primeval, but he was a camera op on, on Lone. And, uh, he was working that slow-mo camera, and he just goes to Pete, he's like, "We've got it. We've got it."
- JRJoe Rogan
Was it weird watching it on film knowing-
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that you shot it in a parking lot? Like, trying to...
Wrap your head around it.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
This is the first time I've told this story. Um, very much. Like, we would go... We went and scr- The first time I saw this film, man, was in, uh, I think it wasn't Redskins, it was Denver. The Broncos. We go and show this to the Broncos, and, uh, Robert Griffin III was the quarterback, I think. Yeah, he was there. And, um, I was with Ben Foster, and Ben had seen it. And I was... I watched it the first time with the Denver fucking Broncos, sitting in this theater, and I was a mess. A mess, yeah. It- it's just the pressure, right? I think.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
But I love it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do it honor.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah, truly. And then my first email was to Dan, his dad, and he thanked me and that's all that really fu- And Marcus. But yeah, they thanked me and that was really all I fucking need.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's got to be a very intense kind of a role because you're playing a real human being whose family's still alive.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Maureen, Johnny, Dan, uh, the whole family. And there's a Destroyer, uh, fucking Beach, uh, uh, uh, mail, uh, uh, mail UPS, or not UPS but like a fucking, um, stamp or whatever named after him. There's fucking... It's insane. There's all these huge, uh, honorary plaques and statues and all this kind of stuff. So if you let it, like, overwhelm you, it definitely can. Yeah, but it- it's been... I mean, that's where all this, my love for these guys, is- is really stemmed from that. You know? Um, that's where it's like... I- I've played SEALs a lot and it's- it's... I'm never raised military or... My grandfather served, but it was... It's an infectious group, man. It's like a brotherhood that's so real.
- JRJoe Rogan
Exceptional humans.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Truly, truly. And people don't understand these guys are the best fucking problem solvers on the planet. They're doctors, they're lawyers, they're fucking smart. And, uh, so, I don't know, I've just been embedded and I think once you're in with these guys, you know, um, you're- you're- you don't take it for granted. It's like, I've made calls to a buddy of mine that, uh... One of the most decorated SEALs alive, and, uh, he trained me for Lone, uh, Ray Mendoza. He just came out with Warfare, uh, that movie. That's, uh, his best friend, uh, his story. And, um, unbelievable guy. But I'll call Ray, and Ray was doing second unit on- on, uh, Terminalist, Dark Wolf, and he's like a brother to me. And l- no joke, you're like, "Hey man, I need a favor," and he's like, he'll fucking bury someone for you, man. (laughs) This guy, like, "Yeah, what do you- what do you need? What- what is it?" And it's like, it's just that whole brotherhood that it's like unquestionably, undeniably loyal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And like Marcus, like, I mean, we're chatting a lot lately just because I'm shooting in Huntsville in a couple weeks and he's not far. But like my- my sister, I took some time off to help my sister because she was using drugs, and, um, and I just needed somewhere to fucking go. Just, I can't be in Austin. I tried LA. She's still using, she's still relapsing. I... Fucking Marcus. Call Marcus, I'm like, "Let's... I... This is what's going on." He's like, "Bring her here. Bring her to the ranch. There's no fucking fentanyl, there's no heroin, there's no meth on this fucking ranch, man. Bring her here." And so I... uh, she's not using at the ranch, so we went to the ranch. In 10 days I know she's gonna be fucking (laughs) clean, 'cause there's just... All we're doing is driving around looking for hogs-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
... or like hanging out, fishing, whatever it is. But he's just a, a beautiful guy, man. And where he is now is just... He's lighter on his feet. It's so beautiful to see. He was hurting on Lone, going through a lot of fucking, um, surgery still, all this stuff. So, uh, they're just so loyal and just great guys.
- JRJoe Rogan
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- JRJoe Rogan
Have you been paying attention to what they're doing in Texas for veterans?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
This ibogaine initiative?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Awesome.
- JRJoe Rogan
Huge.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Awesome.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's so remarkable how effective it is.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
One in 30 days?…
- TKTaylor Kitsch
um, uh, with a psych. And I was like-
- NANarrator
One in 30 days?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
One every week.
- NANarrator
Oh.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And I was like, "We need lot more than one a week." And, um, so I dr- and my sis was a runner. And, uh, so you sign this fucking contract and it's like, if she runs, if she leaves, if she does this, this, this, and that, you, she's out. We kick her out, and we keep your money. Two hours in, gone.
- NANarrator
Ohh.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
I get a call (laughs) yeah. I get a call from this LA number, and I'm like, "No fucking way." Okay, there's 30 grand gone. I'm gonna find another one. She went to another one, little better, cool, yeah, got twice a week. Two days later she runs again. So I'm down 65K in three days. (laughs)
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And I'm like, bleeding cash. And then I figure out, like, another spot. She stayed, like, 30 days, relapsed, and then, um, yeah, she kept relapsing and then, uh, multiple times. Narcan'd up in Calabasas, there's a place, and she left. And, uh, this one girl, she had, uh, night terrors. And, um, so, they would, she had, I would walk around, Joe, with this fucking, uh, Ziploc bag of pills, of like, antidepressants, for her night terrors, sleeping pills, all these things to just take away this trauma, for whatever beat it would be within her, right? And there's an amazing doc up there, an South African guy that deals with women addicts and trauma, and, uh, she was there for a while, and that was really great. And she got a hold of these sleeping pills, and they're supposed to give you one every night, and the girl put the bottle up on the little half door. You know those doors, swinging doors?
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah. And, um, so she grabbed the bottle, and she was, as a lot of these sober livings are, they're pretty incestuous and, and the guys sleep with the girls, vice versa obviously, and um, she was dating a g- a kid named Mike there. And so she went to m- that part of the house and said goodbye to Mike. And to this kid's credit, um, he was like, "That's a little weird. You didn't say goodnight, you just said goodbye." And so she goes up, hammers 60-something sleeping pills-
- NANarrator
Oh, Jesus.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
... yeah, and, uh, he goes and tells. He's like, "Hey, this ain't right. You gotta go check on her." So long story short, call the ambulance, and the medic, to his credit, is like, "Go grab the fucking bottle." And, uh, grabs a bottle, and shows this medic, and he's like, "We're pumping her stomach right now in the ambulance." And, um, what saved her life were their time release.
- NANarrator
Oh.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Isn't that fucking crazy?
- NANarrator
Wild.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah, wild. So I got this call and I lost my mind, for giving her, uh, the bottle. Um, but yeah, she, at that point, she kind of just fucking ran again, went to a drug house. She hates using, uh, needles, so someone would shoot her up. Yeah, so as you know-
- NANarrator
Ugh.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
... if you're fucking sober 92 days, whatever it was, if you use what you were using before, you're fucking gone.
- NANarrator
'Cause your tolerance is gone.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
So they drop... It's a fucking movie. They dropped her off at the stoop of this hospital, and she got Narcan'd. I didn't know any of this part. I didn't, I wasn't privy to this yet.
- NANarrator
Oh my god.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
I'm just driving around looking for her. And, uh, anyway, she's... Just to go back to that environment, I'm like, "I'm outta money. We gotta, I gotta send you back home to Vancouver." And she's like, "You put me to Vancouver, I'm gonna die." And I'm like, "Well, it ain't working well (laughs) here either." And, uh, she was at a psych ward on 34th and Lamar. Uh, that was a fucked up story, but, um, for like ten days. Um, but anyway, she got, she went to this place called the Westy House in New Westminster just outside Vancouver, and it's a, it was a women's only, and she was there. She ran there, and I got her back in, and she got clean, and hasn't looked back since, right.
- NANarrator
Ran again?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
I know, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoo.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Vancouver-
- JRJoe Rogan
Boy, those phone calls must be rough.
- 1:00:00 – 1:15:00
Mm-hmm. …
- TKTaylor Kitsch
and I honestly do believe I've just worked my way through stubbornly. Like, I'll just outwork people. It's not like I was gifted this talent or... It truly isn't. I'll just outwork people, and then now it's like 44 now, which is crazy. And, um, now I'm starting to be like, "Okay, you're thinking about kids. You're thinking about..." I need a little more balance.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
But then I start this balance, and it scares the fuck out of me and I don't like it.
- JRJoe Rogan
How does it scare you?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Just, it's the comfort, right? It's like, "Oh, Kitch, don't take this. Just go keep fly fishing. Keep, you know, just go on a motorcycle trip. Go..." Which is great, and I'll still do it, but I'm just so conscious of it, of like, "Don't get fucking comfortable."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
"Don't think."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
"Don't rest on your-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
"... work." You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Comfort's not bad if you earn it.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you gotta earn the fuck out of it.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Where like, when you're sitting on that couch, you know that you actually need to recover. Like-
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah, true.
- JRJoe Rogan
... if you're gonna keep going, you need to recover. So, like, watching South Park is probably good for you.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Actually like medicine.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah, yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? Just fucking let me just zone out and jiggle.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
True, true.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
But there is that, I think... I don't know, do you have that with the- the fear of failure still of just like...
- JRJoe Rogan
Of it all falling apart?
- TKTaylor Kitsch
That-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
... and like, I'm on set in two weeks, and I'm fucking scared.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 1:15:00 – 1:21:00
Of course. …
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Waco wanted nothing to do with us.
- JRJoe Rogan
Of course.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
So, yeah, rightfully so.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
So we shot that in Santa Fe.
- JRJoe Rogan
They like to change that in history.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
(laughs) Yeah, man. And, uh, his c-
- JRJoe Rogan
Waco's a great town, by the way.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's great.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
It's grown, like, enormously too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Um, but, um, yeah, his motorcycle came for sale, and obviously they knew we were making it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
I kicked tires on it, and, uh, they wanted just... It was probably worth two grand, they wanted 15 or something, and it was just like, "Go fuck yourself." I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, they were just trying to make money off that custom.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
And what... Honestly, like you just said, "What am I gonna do with his moto?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I thought it was, I wa- I thought it was silly at first, and then after a while, I'd be like, "D- dog, I can't do this."
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I, w- when, before we opened up the Comedy Mothership in town, I was under contract for this place called the One World Theater that was also owned by a cult.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Here?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
No way.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, the One World Theater, you know where it is? It's on B-
- TKTaylor Kitsch
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Cave. Well, (laughs) this is what's fucked up (laughs) about the story.
- TKTaylor Kitsch
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Ron White performed there once 'cause they have concerts there. And Ron White did standup, and we were talking about opening up a club, and he said, (imitating Ron White) "You should buy that place down on B Cave. It's the fucking shit. It's a beautiful theater. I think it's for sale."
- TKTaylor Kitsch
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"I played there once, it's amazing." I was like, "All right. Well, Ron White's the fucking man."
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