Joe Rogan Experience #2382 - Andrew Santino

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0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

Joe Rogan 0:12 Hey, Santino, my man.

Andrew Santino 0:15 Mr. Rogan, it's been a long time, I'm back.

Joe Rogan 0:17 When was the last time you were here?

Andrew Santino 0:18 It's gotta be over a year.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Is that real?

Andrew Santino 0:21 Two years.

0:21 Two years?

0:21 Eight years.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Geez, bro.

Andrew Santino 0:22 Yeah, it's gotta be.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Time waits for no one.

Andrew Santino 0:25 I know, man. You left me high and dry in Los Angeles, and two years later I come back down.

Joe Rogan 0:29 Had to go, big dog. Had to go, had to go. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 0:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:33 You're gonna go eventually. You can't hang in there.

Andrew Santino 0:35 Stop.

Joe Rogan 0:35 Eventually it'll just get to be Mad Max and you'll just go, "I, I can't, I can't, I can't." When Newsom becomes president and Kamala Harris becomes governor and then it's, like, full Communist...

Andrew Santino 0:44 You don't think he's gonna become president?

Joe Rogan 0:46 (inhales deeply)

Andrew Santino 0:47 You do?

Joe Rogan 0:48 He could win.

Andrew Santino 0:49 No.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Yep, he could win.

Andrew Santino 0:50 Nah.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 0:51 No, 'cause I think he's one of those guys that left-

Joe Rogan 0:52 She almost won.

Andrew Santino 0:54 Yeah. Ho-

Joe Rogan 0:54 He's better than her.

Andrew Santino 0:56 You think people would like him mor- really?

Joe Rogan 0:58 No, he's better at her, the, uh, and talking. He's better at talking.

Andrew Santino 1:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01 Look, the whole thing is not, like, who's a better government. Look, the guy who, who's the fucking host of The Apprentice is the President of the United States for the second time. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 1:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10 Like, this doesn't... Nothing-

Andrew Santino 1:11 I'm back, baby.

Joe Rogan 1:12 Nothing makes any sense.

Andrew Santino 1:13 No, it doesn't.

Joe Rogan 1:14 So it's like, uh, uh, the, the system is, like, it's a goofy system. It's a popularity contest to see who controls the nukes.

Andrew Santino 1:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:21 It makes no sense.

Andrew Santino 1:22 Who controls the nukes. I just feel like lefties and righties don't like him.

Joe Rogan 1:25 You're right.

Andrew Santino 1:26 Both people don't like him.

Joe Rogan 1:26 But there's no choices other than him on the left, and the people on the left are only gonna vote on the left.

Andrew Santino 1:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:33 And that's it. Unless some Mamdani guy comes out of left field and says-

Andrew Santino 1:38 Is that the New York guy?

Joe Rogan 1:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:39 That's so funny.

Joe Rogan 1:40 He's gonna win.

Andrew Santino 1:41 That's... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:42 He's gonna win. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 1:44 (laughs) The Mamdani guy, what was his policy? What did he run on?

Joe Rogan 1:47 Uh, oh, he ran on everything. Rent control, stabilize rent, uh, he's gonna tax the rich people way more than before. Bu- businesses are gonna run out of that place like it's on fire.

Andrew Santino 1:57 Crumble, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah, it's interesting. But I mean, maybe-

Andrew Santino 1:59 Cheers to Manhattan. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:02 (sighs) You know, look, the thing is, m- maybe what he wants to do is gonna coincide with AI and automation. Which is gonna be a... You're going to have to have someone who has at least some sort of s- uh, not, not, like, pure socialism, but at the very least universal basic income. Like the-

Andrew Santino 2:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:22 ... ideas that they wanna implement. 'Cause if you don't, you're gonna have chaos. You're gonna have... All jobs are gonna, uh, essentially, m- most jobs are on the chopping block. It, it's... Right now if you think about it, the amount of jobs that a robot with AI can't do are so little. They're so little.

Andrew Santino 2:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:42 Like, they're making great songs now. Have you heard the 50 Cent song?

Andrew Santino 2:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 2:46 The Many Men song?

Andrew Santino 2:47 I've heard the band... There's a band that's, that's got, like, four million streams a month on Spotify, and it's all AI.

Joe Rogan 2:53 Oh, there's a bunch of those.

Andrew Santino 2:54 It's so trippy.

Joe Rogan 2:55 There's do- do- does of those. They made this girl who was a, an AI, like a fucking... What, what would you call that kind of music?

Andrew Santino 3:01 What kind?

Joe Rogan 3:02 You know that, that gal that they made that was... We, we played a little bit of it on the podcast? She's, like, kinda emo?

Andrew Santino 3:09 I'm not remembering.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Uh, (sighs) anyway. They, they, they made her in about a minute, and then they made the song in about another minute, and it was great.

Andrew Santino 3:18 It's a hit song. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:18 I was listening to it, I was like, "This is a good fucking song." (laughs)

Andrew Santino 3:20 (laughs) It sucks. It sucks that I like it. I listen to it and be like, "Dude, this is really good."

Joe Rogan 3:24 Have you... You haven't heard the Many Men version, the AI version of Many Men?

Andrew Santino 3:28 No.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Okay. AI did a cover of, uh, 50 Cent's Many Men.

Andrew Santino 3:33 Love that song.

Joe Rogan 3:34 Pfft-

Andrew Santino 3:34 It's such a good song.

Joe Rogan 3:34 ... wait till you hear the AI version.

Andrew Santino 3:36 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 3:37 The, the AI version they did it with, uh, some kind of, like, 1950s, 1960s, like, soul rendition of it.

Andrew Santino 3:48 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Like a soulful blues kind of rendition. Jazz, sorta. Bro...

Andrew Santino 3:54 And it's still 50, though. It's his voice.

Joe Rogan 3:55 No.

Andrew Santino 3:56 No, no, no. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:56 No, no, it's a completely fake human being.

Andrew Santino 3:59 Oh, this is crippling. I don't like it.

Joe Rogan 3:59 It's so good.

Andrew Santino 4:01 I don't... I hate it.

4:02 Wait, yeah, but here's what I'll say. I, I played that one. Did you check out any of the ones I sent you? 'Cause I made, like, a 1980s glam rock one that sounds pretty fucking good, too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:09 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 4:09 You made a glam rock one?

4:10 I know what they're... I know how they're doing it. I can use the same program, so, like, I started fucking around with it, too.

Joe Rogan 4:14 See, you can do it in literally five minutes and you have a hit song.

Andrew Santino 4:16 I'm, I'm, I'm still behind. I'm behind. I haven't done the... I haven't used ChatGBT once. I haven't used it yet.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Good for you.

Andrew Santino 4:21 I'm still a little scar... Well, it's getting implemented whether I like it or not.

Joe Rogan 4:25 Yeah, I mean, if you ask your iPhone a question and it says... I- if it can't figure it out, 'cause your iPhone is basically like a 12-year-old.

Andrew Santino 4:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:31 It's like, it's... Like, if you just ask the iPhone, it doesn't have a lot of access to information. It'll say, uh, "I'm not sure about that. Would you like to go to ChatGBT for the answers?" Like, why don't you go to ChatGBT-

Andrew Santino 4:43 Yeah, you do it.

Joe Rogan 4:44 ... just... But it has to ask you before it does it, I guess.

Andrew Santino 4:46 Yeah, I, I haven't signed up. I've, I'm still... Look, and I know the technology's gonna get even stronger. Your, your guy last night, um, John? What's his, what's the photographer's name? The older guy?

Joe Rogan 4:57 Joe?

Andrew Santino 4:57 Joe. Joe.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 4:59 Uh, he had in the new AirPods, and I was like, "Oh, Joe, keeping up with the times. That's pretty great." He's like, "They're hearing aids now." And I was like-

Joe Rogan 5:06 Oh, yeah. They do.

Andrew Santino 5:07 ... "Wait, seriously?" He's like, "Yeah."

Joe Rogan 5:08 Well, they have these things called... They've had them forever, called Walker's, uh, uh, Game Ears. And you can wear them in the woods and you hear, like, footsteps, like, hundreds of yards away.

Andrew Santino 5:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:20 Yeah, it's crazy. And what the crazy thing is, when a gun goes off, they protect you. So it protects you from loud sounds, but it amplifies regular sounds.

Andrew Santino 5:29 Well, like, it, it... Something has a frequency that pitches up so you-

Joe Rogan 5:32 Exactly.

Andrew Santino 5:32 ... so the gun... Wow.

Joe Rogan 5:33 So it protects you. At a certain point in time, it becomes noise cancellation, or a certain level of decibels that becomes noise cancellation.

Andrew Santino 5:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Play him a little bit of that 50 Cent song.

Andrew Santino 5:42 Hit me that.

Joe Rogan 5:42 You gotta hear some of this, bro.

Andrew Santino 5:44 Blood in my eye, dog, and I can't see.

Joe Rogan 5:49 Look at this, they made a video, too.

Andrew Santino 5:52 I'm trying to be what I'm destined to be.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Look at this.

Andrew Santino 6:01 And niggas tryna take my...

Narrator 6:06 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Woo!

Narrator 6:09 I put a hole in a nickel- (laughs) For fuckin' with me. (laughs) God.

Joe Rogan 6:15 How good is this?

Narrator 6:16 This is so good.

Joe Rogan 6:16 It gets better. Listen to this.

Narrator 6:19 My back on the wall, now you gonna see.

Joe Rogan 6:24 This is my favorite part right here.

Narrator 6:28 Better watch how you talk when you talk about me. Hm. 'Cause I'll come and take your life away.

Joe Rogan 6:41 That's not a person.

Narrator 6:42 God.

Joe Rogan 6:43 That's not a person.

Andrew Santino 6:44 It gives me chills, man. Like, it's uncomfortable in my chest.

Joe Rogan 6:47 (taps chest) Uh.

Narrator 6:48 Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many men.

Joe Rogan 6:55 That's my favorite right there.

Narrator 6:56 Will step on me.

Andrew Santino 6:58 See, that guy-

Joe Rogan 6:59 It's so good, dude.

Narrator 7:00 I know, but I hate it that I like it-

Joe Rogan 7:01 Bro-

Narrator 7:01 ... because it's bad. This is bad. Is this not bad?

Joe Rogan 7:03 I don't know it's not bad. It is. It is. That's what it-

Narrator 7:06 It's bad.

Joe Rogan 7:06 No, no, no. It is. It just is. It is not bad.

Andrew Santino 7:09 It just is.

Joe Rogan 7:09 It's not good. It just is. And if that was a guy, he would be a fucking superstar.

Andrew Santino 7:14 Superstar. (laughs)

Narrator 7:15 Superstar.

Joe Rogan 7:15 Superstar.

Andrew Santino 7:16 It's-

Joe Rogan 7:16 Out of the gate, if that was like some young cat who just came out of nowhere and this... Or, better yet, some dude who's been doing the road for like fucking-

Andrew Santino 7:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:24 ... 20 years and now he's 42 and this is his debut album-

Andrew Santino 7:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:28 ... and he's been, just been fucking grinding it out at these weird bars and shit.

Andrew Santino 7:32 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:32 And then he comes out with that song, you'd be like, "Oh, my god! Where is he?"

Andrew Santino 7:37 (laughs)

Narrator 7:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:37 "I gotta see him in real life."

Andrew Santino 7:39 "Where have you been?"

Joe Rogan 7:40 "Where have you been, sir?"

Andrew Santino 7:41 He kind of has that, uh, Aloe Blacc ha- Do you know Aloe Blacc?

Joe Rogan 7:45 No.

Andrew Santino 7:45 He kind of has a little bit of that tone, a little bit of that. But it's just, it's so funny to hear that.

Joe Rogan 7:49 It's Charles Bradley-like.

Andrew Santino 7:50 Yeah, Bradley, little bit of that.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 7:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Little Charles Bradley. Well, I mean, they get the best out of every fucking vocal ever-

Andrew Santino 7:56 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:56 ... and they combine it and make a perfect person.

Andrew Santino 7:59 But that's... The, the infringement on art is what's scary because you're like, "Well, at some point, are people going to not want human art?" Are they just gonna go, "I want..."

Joe Rogan 8:08 No.

Andrew Santino 8:08 "... just give me that. I wanna make-"

Joe Rogan 8:09 No, no, no.

Andrew Santino 8:09 Like, are people gonna go, "I wanna watch a movie with Sharon Stone from '96"?

Joe Rogan 8:14 They've already done that.

Andrew Santino 8:15 I, and you can ju- You... But I mean, at home, just make your own movie at home and go play it.

Joe Rogan 8:19 Y- Yeah. No, that's not... They're doing that.

Andrew Santino 8:20 No, I know they're doing it. I'm saying how quickly is that gonna be-

Joe Rogan 8:22 Have you seen, have you seen Luke Skywalker?

Andrew Santino 8:23 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 8:24 They're doing new Luke Skywalker movies with young Luke Skywalker, like new scenes in Star Wars that never happened-

Andrew Santino 8:31 Oh.

Joe Rogan 8:31 ... but HD.

Andrew Santino 8:32 I don't like it. Yeah, it trips me out, man. I don't know. It just makes me feel like we're getting further and further away from original creation. But it will open a new hole of art, which will be how good can your new art AI be? I just... I'm against it right now.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Listen, you're dead right. N- No argument.

Andrew Santino 8:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:49 Doesn't matter.

Andrew Santino 8:50 I know it's happening.

Joe Rogan 8:51 It's happening.

Andrew Santino 8:51 Whether you like it or not.

Joe Rogan 8:52 It's not just happening. It's happening at a pace that is unstoppable. This conversation we would not have had two years ago.

Andrew Santino 8:59 No.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Because two years ago, no one was even thinking, like, "AI is going to take over art." No way.

Andrew Santino 9:04 No.

Joe Rogan 9:04 But now, it's over because they basically... Look, everything has been said. Everything has been told. Every song has been sung. Smash them all together, make a new version of it. All you need is a prompt. All you need is a prompt and you got-

Andrew Santino 9:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:17 ... a new Bob Dylan who makes the old Bob Dylan look boring.

Andrew Santino 9:20 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 9:21 You got some renegade Bob Dylan, some wild dude who's out there doing yoga in the woods. You know what I mean? (laughs)

Andrew Santino 9:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:29 It's like r- You can't stop it, man.

Andrew Santino 9:31 Bob Dylan doing downward dog in the, in the pines.

Joe Rogan 9:33 E- In the pines. A perfect person. You know, you can't stop it.

Andrew Santino 9:35 No, it's happening. I get it.

Joe Rogan 9:37 But this, what I was saying about New York and this Mamdani guy, like, you're going to have to have some way to feed people. You're going to have to... Like, people are not going to have jobs anymore.

Andrew Santino 9:48 Hm.

Joe Rogan 9:49 They're going to go away. We're- we're inefficient and we are lazy and we are entitled and we like to think we're doing a far more important thing than we really are. And everybody does that. Everybody's like, "Without me, this office would fall apart." (laughs)

Andrew Santino 10:05 (laughs) All right, Linda.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Everybody does that. "I do all the paperwork that you won't do."

Andrew Santino 10:10 Yeah. Yeah, that... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:11 "I never get any credit."

Andrew Santino 10:13 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 10:13 "Tell you what, this guy, this piece of shit. I should be the boss."

Andrew Santino 10:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:17 There's, that is, um, you know-

Andrew Santino 10:21 I mean, it is gonna take away so many jobs, but, but will it create more... Will it create more jobs on the other side of it somehow? That's the... Right? Isn't that the goal? If you're gonna ruin a lot of these jobs and take them... Uh, I- Is something else gonna create another job on the other side, fixing some of the problems?

Joe Rogan 10:38 I think you're thinking it the wrong way. You're thinking that jobs are essential. They're not.

Andrew Santino 10:44 N- I mean, some are, right?

Joe Rogan 10:46 No. No, no, no. This, this thing...

Andrew Santino 10:49 Oh, this is fucking me up, dude.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Th- This is-

Andrew Santino 10:50 You're freaking me out. I shouldn't have taken this gummy this morning.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Oh, you should have.

Andrew Santino 10:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:53 You should have taken two and brought me one.

Andrew Santino 10:55 No, I'm freaking out, man.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Th- This thing-

Andrew Santino 10:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:57 ... is the new dominant life force on Earth, and it's emerging from its cocoon right now in real time. That's what it is. It's just giving you little snippets, like songs and movies and art, and answering your questions, and it's doing all these things. But this is just coming out of the cocoon. It's just going like this right now. It's not out and growing.

Andrew Santino 11:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:19 It's coming, and it doesn't matter. Like, w- what... Aren't... Don't we need... Aren't jobs essential? Well, you... What does that mean? What does that mean? It doesn't... You're, you're talking like a, a, "I'm a flint knapper. I've been making arrowheads for 35 years. You're telling me that flint knapping is going out of style? I don't buy it." Yeah, one day you're not gonna need an arrow because someone's gonna have a gun. Okay?

Andrew Santino 11:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:42 One day, you're not gonna need a flint knap because people are gonna invent alloys, like titanium and steel, and they're gonna use that instead of fucking flint. And this is just how the world works. This is how technology works. This is how innovation works. As long as the Earth stays in a relatively stable environment, we don't nuke each other or get hit by a giant rock from space, this is what happens.

Andrew Santino 12:07 I say speed that rock up. Let's go, dude.

Joe Rogan 12:08 No.

Andrew Santino 12:09 Suck it in, dude. Let's rock.

Joe Rogan 12:10 This is fun. It's exciting.

Andrew Santino 12:11 Let's get out of here. No, it is great.

Joe Rogan 12:13 It's exciting.

Andrew Santino 12:14 No, I just think it's... Uh, I think the, the fear for me is, um, I just hope the younger generation still likes, I think, live art, the shit that we do.I hope that still stays. I-

Joe Rogan 12:27 Oh, it's always gonna stay.

Andrew Santino 12:28 I hope.

Joe Rogan 12:28 I love live art. I love live comedy, I love live music. I love it. I love going to see things live. It's, it's exciting. It's always going to be something because it, it, it resonates with you on like a deeper level than, uh, seeing something on television or watching on a screen. There's a connection that you have with a human being in a room that's singing a song that you can't get anywhere else.

Andrew Santino 12:52 No.

Joe Rogan 12:52 It's amazing.

Andrew Santino 12:52 I saw your boy, uh, I saw Killer Mike at, at Blue Note a couple nights ago. In LA.

Joe Rogan 12:56 Oh, nice.

Andrew Santino 12:57 And he had like gospel singers with him and it was unbelievable. It was so al- you know, it was like alternative to what he usually does, but he played some songs from the Michael album and it was w- uh, I just, those things to me will never get old. Maybe 'cause I love that kind of-

Joe Rogan 13:09 Yeah. Well, no, it doesn't have to.

Andrew Santino 13:10 And I hope that doesn't deteriorate with time.

Joe Rogan 13:12 That might be the only thing that people do. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 13:15 (laughs) Just go see shit. It's all robots and live shows.

Joe Rogan 13:20 I mean, you know, you're gonna say like, "Look, I painted this myself. It took me 60 hours." That's cool. I made a better one in three seconds.

Andrew Santino 13:27 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 13:27 I just pressed a button. Like-

Andrew Santino 13:28 I thought it. No, I didn't even pr- I just thought it-

Joe Rogan 13:30 Right.

Andrew Santino 13:30 ... and it happened.

Joe Rogan 13:31 Right.

Andrew Santino 13:31 It printed out at my home.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Right. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 13:33 Like I had it, I had the-

Joe Rogan 13:33 That's coming too.

Andrew Santino 13:34 I had the idea and when the printer was like...

Joe Rogan 13:36 Oh, is this what you want?

Andrew Santino 13:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:38 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 13:39 What color would you like?

Joe Rogan 13:40 It's not going to matter whether or not you like it or not. It's not going to matter 'cause it's coming.

Andrew Santino 13:46 Well, that's true. What you said is pretty profound and then, and also heavy when you just said, "It is." It just is.

Joe Rogan 13:52 It's just, it is. It is.

Andrew Santino 13:52 You have to just sit in it.

Joe Rogan 13:53 And there's a lot of people that are in denial right now, and they're very silly. And there's a lot of people that, uh, that the term meaning means a lot to them. And I understand that. I've had these conversations like man's search for meaning, what meaning means. The problem with that term is s- space is real. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 14:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:09 Okay? The problem with that term is your search for meaning, when you're lying on your back and you look up and you see hundreds of billions of fucking stars, you go, "Oh, I don't really, it doesn't really mean anything if I lose my job."

Andrew Santino 14:22 Nope.

Joe Rogan 14:22 It means nothing.

Andrew Santino 14:23 Nothing.

Joe Rogan 14:24 It's like you gotta figure it out. Like y- all the industries that you think of, like transportation, um, most white collar jobs, lawyers, any coding job-

Andrew Santino 14:34 Banking.

Joe Rogan 14:35 ... gone. They're going away. They're going away. And here's a real problem. You have encryption, okay? And encryption is very important for Bitcoin, for cryptocurrency, for passwords, for everything. Once you have quantum computing attached to AI, you no longer have encryption. It doesn't mean anything. Okay, so then where is money, okay? 'Cause money right now is just a bunch of ones and zeros.

Andrew Santino 15:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:02 And who's to decide who gets what and where it gets stored and how anybody has access to it? In the beginning, it's only gonna be like the government has access to it, 'cause we, they're the only ones with the super computers. But it's gonna be just like Michael Douglas from that movie Wall Street where he had that big stupid phone and everybody's like, "Look at him-

Andrew Santino 15:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:17 ... he's a baller."

Andrew Santino 15:18 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:18 To everybody has a phone now, man.

Andrew Santino 15:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:20 Everyone on Earth has a goddamn phone. It's r- people in the Amazon have phones and there's a problem because they gave phones to these kids and they all started whacking off.

Andrew Santino 15:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:30 They can't... (laughs)

Andrew Santino 15:32 Not here in Texas, dude. Can't whack off on your phone here.

Joe Rogan 15:34 Yeah, you can.

Andrew Santino 15:35 I saw that. You block porn here.

Joe Rogan 15:36 They all have VPNs. Everybody has a VPN.

Andrew Santino 15:38 That's, that's, you gotta go around it.

Joe Rogan 15:38 Come on.

Andrew Santino 15:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:39 It's a joke. It's one of-

Andrew Santino 15:40 I love pulling it up. It says that.

Joe Rogan 15:41 You should have a VPN anyway.

Andrew Santino 15:42 I have one on my phone.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Of course you do.

Andrew Santino 15:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:44 And then on top of that, you just, you just whack off from New Mexico. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 15:49 I say, I always set it to Chicago. Makes me feel-

Joe Rogan 15:52 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 15:52 ... back at home.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Nostalgic.

Andrew Santino 15:53 Like I'm jerking off in my, in my mom's house.

Joe Rogan 15:55 It's nostalgic.

Andrew Santino 15:55 I'm a teenager, yeah. Throwback to the old school.

Joe Rogan 15:58 That's very funny.

Andrew Santino 15:58 I just hope, I just hope that it's, uh, I don't know. I hope it's not as, as fast as we know it's gonna be.

Joe Rogan 16:06 Oh, it's gonna happen like a tidal wave, dude.

Andrew Santino 16:08 Train, just a fucking train. It's gonna crush us.

Joe Rogan 16:10 Yeah. It's gonna be like a tsunami. It's gonna come rolling in and we're gonna have to adapt, and that's just what we do. Look, we didn't, we didn't used to always live in cities with electricity, uh, travel around in cars, fly around in airplanes. This is all relatively new. We adapted to this, a new environment that we find ourselves in currently. And we're going to adapt to another one.

Andrew Santino 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 It's going to happen.

Andrew Santino 16:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:33 It's gonna be really fucking weird, man. It's gonna be really weird. Speaking of adapting, like this, uh, this whole Jimmy Kimmel situation that is, is happening right now.

Andrew Santino 16:44 Yeah. Wild.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Very wild. Okay, first of all, um, the FCC is, uh, you have to have a license to broadcast, which is kind of crazy when you think about what that means now 'cause like what does it mean? It used to mean that you used to have a license to broadcast because you were gonna influence so many people they had to make sure that you were on the up and up, right?

Andrew Santino 17:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:06 So they had to make sure that you didn't swear. So if you had a license and you were on CBS or NBC or ABC, you could not swear, right? That was the rule. And then along came cable.

Andrew Santino 17:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 17:19 And somehow or another, cable-

Andrew Santino 17:20 Changed the game.

Joe Rogan 17:20 ... is a different thing, right? Because cable, you just, you, you have to pay for it, I guess, so it's different. And so then some of the channels th- they don't have to pay for it. It used to be the only ones that swore were like HBO-

Andrew Santino 17:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:33 ... where you had to pay for. And then all of a sudden it became kinda any of 'em because they-

Andrew Santino 17:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:37 ... realized like, "Hey, we don't..." Like FX, we, we can swear, guys. Like we, we only don't swear because we wanna think of ourselves as TV.

Andrew Santino 17:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:46 But HBO was like, you know, with The Sopranos, with HBO comedy specials in be- in the beginning that was a big one. You could just swear. Movies, you didn't have to bleep anything out. Just wild. And so these, what, what you're dealing with, with e- even the like, first of all, I definitely don't think that the government should be involved ever in dictating what a comedian can or cannot say in a monologue.

Andrew Santino 18:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:09 That's fucking crazy.

Andrew Santino 18:10 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Now, if the com- the problem is the companies, if they're being pressured by the government, so if that's real and if people on the right are like, "Yeah, go get 'em." (sighs) Oh my God, you're crazy. You're crazy for supporting this because this will be used on you. You don't think they, that the fucking globalist lizard people who run the world are sitting here going, "Great, what do we got? Three years? We'll wait this out. We'll wait this out." Yeah, yeah, yeah, let them say the government should be involved in, in censoring people's speech.

Andrew Santino 18:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah, let them support that. Let these fucking dumbasses-

Andrew Santino 18:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:47 ... because Jimmy Kimmel's a leftist, let these dumbasses think it's a good idea and we should celebrate that the g-

Andrew Santino 18:54 Yeah. That's the most toxic shit I keep seeing online-

Joe Rogan 18:56 Ugh.

Andrew Santino 18:56 ... where people are like, "Yeah, shut him down." Now, there, this-

Joe Rogan 18:59 It's crazy.

Andrew Santino 18:59 ... goes into a lot... Just to jump back, what you said, you just brought me back in my mind. Like, I remember first watching Married With Children, and I remember like, 'cause they were like a racier show-

Joe Rogan 19:08 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Santino 19:09 ... for TV.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 19:10 And I remember the shift, and my mom didn't like that I liked it.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 19:13 And she was like, "What do you like about this show?" I was like, "They talk like people we know."

Joe Rogan 19:17 Right.

Andrew Santino 19:17 It just kinda sounded like someone you... So what TV started to do, it started to sound like your actual community instead of this very, you know, kind of, this veneer of everyone kinda speaks very cleanly and politely. Married With Children talked how you heard a guy ta-... how your dad would talk or your uncle would talk.

Joe Rogan 19:35 Yeah, it was like one notch in a, in a different direction above, uh, like, uh, Archie Bunker.

Andrew Santino 19:42 Right. Th-

Joe Rogan 19:42 All in the Family-

Andrew Santino 19:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:43 ... was like one of the first shows like that where you, the dad was kind of an asshole and a racist.

Andrew Santino 19:48 He was so funny, man.

Joe Rogan 19:48 And funny.

Andrew Santino 19:49 Yeah, he was so funny.

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Andrew Santino 21:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:28 It makes his show bigger, uh, much more support. I'm sure he's get-... there's a lot of hate as well, which is not fun, but at the end of the day, if the show comes back, which this is my suspicion. My suspicion is they suspend it for a short amount of time and then they bring it back and then there's a lot of lawyers going back and forth in meetings and rooms-

Andrew Santino 21:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:47 ... and somehow or another it gets worked out that he has a show. He comes back to a standing ovation. Donald Trump tweets mean shit about him-

Andrew Santino 21:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:54 ... and then the world moves on.

Andrew Santino 21:55 The show still sucks.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 21:56 It still sucks.

Joe Rogan 21:57 I think that is also fucking insane. I don't have time to do that. How do you have time to do that? How do you have time while you're running the world to be tweeting that you don't like talk show hosts?

Andrew Santino 22:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:08 That is so-

Andrew Santino 22:09 So crazy.

Joe Rogan 22:09 ... crazy.

Andrew Santino 22:10 And he was going after like Letterman too for some reason, like he posted something about Letterman.

Joe Rogan 22:13 'Cause Letterman went off about him-

Andrew Santino 22:14 I know, I saw on, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 ... and Letterman said it was a criminal organization. You can't support in any way, shape, or form the government censoring speech-

Andrew Santino 22:22 No.

Joe Rogan 22:22 ... because once they start do... It's just like you shouldn't be on ABC anymore. It's like, don't go on AM radio. It's not worth it. Like, why do you wanna have an AM radio show? Like if somebody (laughs) somebody offered me an AM radio show and I'd be like, "Really? It's a good deal?"

Andrew Santino 22:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:35 "Yes, it's a good deal. It's a wonderful contract. You're gonna get healthcare and all these benefits and this and that and a 401K, but you can't say this, you can't say that." I'd be like, "What?"

Andrew Santino 22:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:44 "Why would I do that?"

Andrew Santino 22:45 I'm out.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Like, this is 2025, why would I do AM radio?

Andrew Santino 22:47 Well, well, you used to want it, you used to love it.

Joe Rogan 22:48 Yeah, I used to want it.

Andrew Santino 22:49 I think that's what, well, that's what they press on the old days, but I think the problem is... I was, I... Look, when I was a kid, I was fascinated with Carson and the idea of The Tonight Show. He got pressed a lot about why he didn't express his political beliefs-

Joe Rogan 23:02 Right.

Andrew Santino 23:03 ... and he often, I mean, there's a clip of him that everyone's probably seen where he says-

Joe Rogan 23:07 It's a great clip.

Andrew Santino 23:07 ... "That's not, you know, that's not my job." And I don't know if he said this or I heard this somewhere else, but someone had said something to the effect of, "The job is to put America to bed at night, not give them nightmares."

Joe Rogan 23:18 The thing is though, he existed in a time before social media-

Andrew Santino 23:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:22 ... when people hadn't lost their fucking minds.

Andrew Santino 23:23 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:24 And this is the problem is that Hollywood in particular is, they're in a fever pitch of if we don't get our eyes, uh, our, our ideas across, if we don't promote our ideas, then the other side wins.

Andrew Santino 23:39 Wins, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:40 And it's become this sort of self-fulfilling prophecy on both sides. Like, everyone is in this fucking fever of war, of like a culture war that's k-... it's, it's... and a giant percentage of it is being manipulated by these overseas bots. Like, I tweeted this thing, I retweeted this thing a couple of days ago 'cause I, I was like people need to see this every time it comes across my feed, I'm just gonna send it to them. What you see when you see a bot farm, so there's bot farms that have, uh, essentially an unlimited number of social media profiles and they just go after whatever subject it is, whether it's climate change or an election or even sports, and all they're trying to do is get people to hate each other. And this is, this is a bot farm. And someone wrote, what is this, the...See the caption? It says, "What ..." So this guy, Andrew Fox, wrote this. It says, "Want to know what Dave123456789 10 blah-de-blah-de-blah is? Who y- who it is you're arguing with online most of the time, who's liking those pro-Hamas posts?" And it's that. And it's a TikTok that he put up.

Andrew Santino 24:44 Now, who's sponsoring, who's funding these bot farms?

Joe Rogan 24:47 Many, many countries are doing this. China's doing this for sure. Russia's doing this for sure. But Iran is probably doing this for sure. Israel's probably doing this for sure. We're probably doing it as well. We're doing it to them. We're all doing it to each other. That's 100% real. And this is another creepy aspect of AI that was exposed fairly recently. Um, some accounts got suspended because they realized that the CCP was using ChatGPT to run these kind of bot farms. So you have this thing, and you could tell it how to behave. "And I want you to pretend that you are an unhinged leftist that wants to kill all white men and then get in there and argue."

Andrew Santino 25:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:19 And then people ... (laughs) And then the right-wing people are like, "Oh my God. These fucking leftists want us dead."

Andrew Santino 25:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:25 "Strap up." And then you have, like, this Charlie Kirk incident, and then everybody starts to really believe it now. Like, "Yeah, they want us dead." And then you see the response, and you go, "Oh my God. People are going along with ... Like, people are losing their morals and their ethics, and they're cheering that someone got murdered on television." Because they're all ramped up with this social media bullshit, and a lot of it is being amplified by people that aren't even real people, and a lot of it is just getting everybody in this fucking fever pitch of culture war.

Andrew Santino 25:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:53 And that's why you're seeing these young kids cheering. Did you see that TMZ clip?

Andrew Santino 25:58 Uh, well, I've seen a bunch of these different clips of people, like, going off about it.

Joe Rogan 26:00 Did you see the TMZ thing-

Andrew Santino 26:02 No.

Joe Rogan 26:02 ... where they find out that, uh, the, the moment they find out-

Andrew Santino 26:05 Oh, you hear people cheering in the room.

Joe Rogan 26:06 You hear people cheering?

Andrew Santino 26:07 I did see that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:08 The moment they find out Charlie Kirk is dead?

Andrew Santino 26:10 They're clapping.

Joe Rogan 26:11 Cheering. Um-

Andrew Santino 26:12 He's dead, and they're clapping.

Joe Rogan 26:13 But this is not just one person. There was a guy who was at the scene, at the scene. They got ... I mean, they have ... Look, I just wanna say-

Andrew Santino 26:22 The guy cheering.

Joe Rogan 26:23 ... that I'm not pro-doxxing people. I'm not pro any of this, but this is just what's gonna happen. You know, you, you cheer when a guy gets shot, and you can see the guy who got shot.

Andrew Santino 26:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:32 You're in the, you're in the general vicinity of this guy, so a bullet whizzed over your head, shot that guy in the neck, and now you're cheering. Good luck finding a job.

Andrew Santino 26:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:41 Right? And this is the reality that we're living in, right? So, but why is a person reacting like that? People wouldn't have reacted like that 20 years ago, man. It's not, not a normal thing for a 20-year-old kid to do, who's in the audience of some college thing where, you know, "Change my mind," or whatever he says.

Andrew Santino 26:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Whatever his, his slogan is. But that was what Steven Crowder would say, right? "Change my mind."

Andrew Santino 27:01 Yeah, I don't know what his was. I think-

Joe Rogan 27:03 Something similar.

Andrew Santino 27:04 I don't know what Charlie Kirk was.

Joe Rogan 27:04 But the p- point is, it's like, this is, uh, this is the, the weird shit that happens on social media where people behave in this insane and vicious way that you would never experience like this commonly in real life.

Andrew Santino 27:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:20 And it's more ubiquitous online than anywhere else in most polite social circles. But all the same people that are in these polite social circles with you are m- ... They're feeling vindicated and saying the most evil shit. "Fuck Charlie Kirk. Rest in piss." I saw this lady who was a NASDAQ lady. She worked at NASDAQ, and she was at a conference, and she's like, "We're pausing the conference to say, 'Fuck Charlie Kirk.'" Like, this well-dressed lady with a very high profile job, and then it said, "Rest in piss." Like, oh my God. Like, what is that?

Andrew Santino 27:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Well, that's social media infecting your mind and getting you to do things and, and say things in a way that no one would have done 20, 30 years ago.

Andrew Santino 28:05 No.

Joe Rogan 28:05 No one.

Andrew Santino 28:05 No way.

Joe Rogan 28:06 No way. And so this is like all boiling up with this Charlie, this, this Charlie Kirk thing and this Jimmy Kimmel thing. The two ... Look, the Jimmy Kimmel thing is, unfortunately, what I think what he was trying to do was just set up a joke. He was trying to knock on the, the MAGA people but also set up a joke, which was good. It was very funny, like when he showed, uh, the president's response to Charlie Kirk. He's like-

Andrew Santino 28:36 Yeah, the new ballroom they're building?

Joe Rogan 28:38 And he said like, "The fourth stage of"-

Andrew Santino 28:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:41 ... "The fourth stage of grief is construction." (laughs)

Andrew Santino 28:43 "Stage of grief is destruction." Just fantastic joke.

Joe Rogan 28:44 But he also said that's not how, uh, a grown adult reacts is, uh, the death of his friend. It's like a four-year-old mourns the loss of a goldfish.

Andrew Santino 28:52 Goldfish, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Very funny.

Andrew Santino 28:52 It's a great joke. He was trying to set it up.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 28:55 But, but de-

Joe Rogan 28:55 But he set it up in a way that like, okay, you're saying something that's actually factually inaccurate-

Andrew Santino 29:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:01 ... according to the narrative. Now, let's be real clear. I don't necessarily think they know what's going on yet. There's a lot of weird shit going on with this.

Andrew Santino 29:10 I know.

Joe Rogan 29:11 First of all, there was that one guy who was the decoy. All right, so you got this guy who's an older guy who starts yelling out ... Didn't he take his pants down? He took his pants down? This guy, uh, was at 9/11. He was at the Boston bombings.

Andrew Santino 29:26 All the hits, this guy.

Joe Rogan 29:27 He, he called in a fake bomb at another place, and then he did this at this thing. Right aft- ... So, somehow or another, this guy has the state of mind that the moment someone gets shot, he yells out and says, "I did it, I did it," and takes his pants down or something like that. I don't know exactly what he did. Then, ready for this? He gets arrested for child porn right away.

Andrew Santino 29:50 Right after this happens?

Joe Rogan 29:51 Oh, right away. He's in jail for child porn. Why is that? Well, now you can't interview him.

Andrew Santino 29:56 Right. He's ... uh, right.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Right, and when ... 'Cause when the internet people start going, "Hey, how do you ... How are you at all these different things?" Like, what are the odds? Like, has someone ran it through, uh, one of the ChatGPT fucking perplexity things? Like, what are the odds-

Andrew Santino 30:09 Odds of this?

Joe Rogan 30:09 ... that this guy-

Andrew Santino 30:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:10 ... would be at all those different events and be involved? Like, zero.

Andrew Santino 30:14 This is the guy?

Joe Rogan 30:15 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 30:17 I just like that the pants down part is just insane to me.

Joe Rogan 30:19 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 30:19 It's like, why is your dick out, dude?

Joe Rogan 30:21 I'm not saying-

Andrew Santino 30:21 I did it. I did it.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Listen, I'm not saying this guy isn't insane. He's clearly insane.

Andrew Santino 30:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:25 And, or not. Or he's professionally insane.

Andrew Santino 30:29 Right. I, I, I almost-

Joe Rogan 30:30 That's where it gets squirrelly.

Andrew Santino 30:31 I almost texted you when the Charlie Kirk thing happened because my ...... my antennas went up about, they showed the photo of that kid. The guy that they have, the 22-year-old-

Joe Rogan 30:41 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 30:41 ... whatever. And I was almost gonna be like, "Dude, that... You think he's got the capability to do that?"

Joe Rogan 30:47 Yeah. Well, listen, there are people that look like that that have the capability to do that, yes.

Andrew Santino 30:51 Pretty accurate.

Joe Rogan 30:52 Nope. Nope.

Andrew Santino 30:53 No?

Joe Rogan 30:53 Not hard. Not hard at all.

Andrew Santino 30:54 Not hard?

Joe Rogan 30:55 Let me dispel that.

Andrew Santino 30:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:55 Let me dispel that. Okay, 200 yards from a prone position with a dead-on rifle. So if you have a dead-on rifle, so you set this rifle, you set your zero to 200 yards, right? You know how far you're gonna shoot. It is not hard at all.

Andrew Santino 31:10 He shot a lot?

Joe Rogan 31:11 You don't have to shoot a lot.

Andrew Santino 31:12 So-

Joe Rogan 31:12 I could do it tomorrow.

Andrew Santino 31:14 If you're a fir-... No, but you are experienced. If it's a fir- if it's someone that's never shot, could they do it?

Joe Rogan 31:18 100%.

Andrew Santino 31:19 Really?

Joe Rogan 31:19 Not if they've never shot. They wouldn't know where to look. They'd have a hard time acquiring the, the, you know, like, when you look through a scope, like, wh- the reticle is weird. Like, it takes... It's sometimes hard.

Andrew Santino 31:30 Takes a minute.

Joe Rogan 31:30 You gotta know the distance that you have to be from it to really line it up in your sights. But you could get a guy like my friend, Andy Stumpf, who was a, a sniper in the SEALs. You could get him and he could show you how to do it in an afternoon, and then you could hit steel at 200 yards every time you pull the trigger.

Andrew Santino 31:48 One day you could learn that?

Joe Rogan 31:49 Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 31:50 Wow.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Not that hard.

Andrew Santino 31:51 'Cause it feels insane to me. I'm like, "That seems tough."

Joe Rogan 31:54 No. It seems tough. It seems tough. We still haven't figured out whether or not the gun that shot Trump had a sight on it, 'cause we weren't sure if it had a sight on it or if this guy was using iron sights. That was 140 yards. If he shot it with iron sights, that's a lot harder, 'cause iron sights is you're lining up, so you have these two things in the back and there's one thing at the front of the barrel.

Andrew Santino 32:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:14 And you gotta line those bitches up perfectly and that's how you stay accurate. That is a lot harder to do.

Andrew Santino 32:20 It's like old shotguns have those, right?

Joe Rogan 32:22 Sure.

Andrew Santino 32:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:22 Pistols.

Andrew Santino 32:23 Yeah, pistols got them.

Joe Rogan 32:23 But you buy a Glock-

Andrew Santino 32:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:24 ... that's what it comes with.

Andrew Santino 32:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:25 But this, this kid had a rifle with a scope. Now, here's where it gets weird. The first images of this rifle with a scope, I swear to God, it looks like he has a composite stock on it. Like, it looks like a, like a modern 30-06 rifle. So a 30-06, so that's the rifle, 30-06 is like, that looks like a very modern looking stock. I mean, it might not be. It might n- it might be just a bad resolution. It might be wood. It's hard to tell. But if you showed me that and you said, "Hey, this is my cousin's rifle. Is this any good?" I'd be like, "Looks like a standard bolt-action rifle with like a sophisticated modern scope on it." "Sure." Now, apparently, the narrative is that this is his grandfather's rifle from World War I and doesn't have a serial code.

Andrew Santino 33:17 Hm.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Okay.

Andrew Santino 33:20 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 33:21 Okay. Why... Wait, wait, wait, wait. Why are you using such an old gun? Like, that's kind of crazy. Like, i- is it possible that an old gun can be that accurate? If you have a gunsmith and they work on it, yeah, it's totally possible. If you have a really good gunsmith and he sets... If you're l- if you're like a nostalgic person, you like driving an old car, you could bring it to a mechanic. They could redo the brakes.

Andrew Santino 33:43 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:43 So if you had a good gunsmith and he took a look at that and, and the action was true and, you know, the bolt... The, the bore is good, you know, yeah, you could conceivably shoot with a gun for hundreds of years. Right? Guns don't, they don't necessarily go bad.

Andrew Santino 33:56 Right. They don't expire.

Joe Rogan 33:58 Right. And especially because all the stuff, like the trigger and the action and all that different stuff is replaceable. So you could just like... It's comp- it's compartmentalized. It's, uh, uh, its components. That's the other thing. They said that he took it apart and then put it back together again. Shut the fuck up.

Andrew Santino 34:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:15 Do you know how much time it would take to do that if you were highly skilled?

Andrew Santino 34:19 To disassemble a gun?

Joe Rogan 34:20 To disassemble a rifle so that you can get it in a backpack, and by the way, not gonna fit.

Andrew Santino 34:25 Not gonna fit in a backpack.

Joe Rogan 34:26 Not gonna fit. And then somehow or another, reconnects it once he gets off the roof? What? What's-

Andrew Santino 34:33 That-

Joe Rogan 34:34 What's that about?

Andrew Santino 34:34 That's what they're pitch- is that what they pitched, huh?

Joe Rogan 34:35 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 34:36 Yeah.

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Joe Rogan 36:28 If you shoot something, okay, like say if y- if I take you to a long range, uh, shooting range, and we sit there and we get you on a bench, and you're sitting there and you, you go, "Okay, we're going live." Chk. And you flip off the safety and then you squeeze off that trigger. You hear boom, pink.There's a, there's a gap in 200 yards between the shot going off and the impact. There's a gap. It's like boom, tink, boom, tink, because it's far.

Andrew Santino 36:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:58 200 yards is far. Even if that bullet is fucking going (imitates fast music) it still takes time to get there. And really long shots, like g- I know guys who do... Like my buddy Justin, he does these long-range competitions where they'll shoot out to a mile plus. They're shooting steel targets like that big at a mile plus and he's like, "Dude, the hang time is crazy. It's like seconds."

Andrew Santino 37:21 You could hear, you hear separation just-

Joe Rogan 37:23 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Santino 37:24 ... like, it's a trip.

Joe Rogan 37:24 When you're watching it through the binoculars, too. It's like somebody else is watching it. So you got a guy next to you that's a spotter and you shoot, boom, and he's like, "Hit."

Andrew Santino 37:35 Nuts.

Joe Rogan 37:35 Literally.

Andrew Santino 37:36 Nuts.

Joe Rogan 37:36 It's that long. So that, the Charlie Kirk thing seemed instant. It was like boom, he's, he was down.

Andrew Santino 37:44 Instant?

Joe Rogan 37:44 Boom, down.

Andrew Santino 37:45 So you think it was closer?

Joe Rogan 37:47 It could've been closer or it could be the echo from that gun. By the time the sound gets to you, the bullet gets... Because it takes longer for sound to get there, right?

Andrew Santino 37:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:57 'Cause these bullets are supersonic. So the bullet will actually get there before the sound gets there, so that's something to take into consideration. God, it's a trip. So it probably can... Now that I'm thinking of it myself, I'm like, well, that's a dumb, like, I had a dumb point. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 38:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:13 (laughs) 'Cause the bullet, the bullet is actually faster than sound.

Andrew Santino 38:16 Faster than sound.

Joe Rogan 38:17 But I don't, I don't buy the assembly, reassembly. I do not buy that. They said he had a screwdriver up there. Fuck yourself-

Andrew Santino 38:25 A screwdriver?

Joe Rogan 38:26 Yeah, you need more than a screwdriver. You need multiple tools, okay? You need Allen wrenches-

Andrew Santino 38:30 He's cranking away.

Joe Rogan 38:30 You need, like, specific gunsmith tools. It's complicated. Oh, I've got a video. I've got a video of a guy breaking down a Mauser and so this Mauser is the same exact gun that supposedly this dude had in, his grandpa had in World War I. So this guy breaks down this Mauser and... Here it goes. Let me see.

Andrew Santino 38:53 What's the fastest amount of time you can do that?

Joe Rogan 38:55 Many seconds. This guy's very good, very good. So this, this guy who's doing it has clearly got military s- experience, or gun experience. I don't, I don't remember, but we'll, we'll see when we watch the video. But this guy knows what the fuck he's doing and i- it would take me a lot longer than it took him.

Andrew Santino 39:12 And that kid, it would take a forever.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Unless this kid has secretly been training like John Wick for the past six months. Unless...

Andrew Santino 39:21 Un- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:21 So watch this guy break this down.

Narrator 39:24 It takes two different tools to take it apart. It takes a Torx key and an Allen key. (instrumental music plays) Now if I take a shot and immediately disassemble this, I have to remove the bolt, remove the magazine, grab my Allen key, hit the two bolts on the bottom, put those away in the Allen key, grab my Torx key, remove the scope, put everything in the backpack, make sure I have everything, and make my way downtown, okay? Which is gonna take a lot longer for him than it is for me, especially because his fine-tuned motor function, something as simple as grabbing an Allen key to a little bolt is gonna be extremely impaired due to a dump of adrenaline throughout his bloodstream. An extreme elevated heart rate is gonna make these fine-tuned skills extremely difficult. I mean, just for him to think and analyze of what needs to be done to disassemble this rifle and get away would be difficult. And we're not even gonna touch the topic of him assembling the rifle on top of the roof, which if you reassemble a rifle and you take it apart-

Joe Rogan 40:06 So the people that are listening to this, just listening, he is at 38 seconds right now.

Narrator 40:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:11 And all he's got, he's got the barrel, um, away from the stock. He's removing the scope from the barrel and he's on- right now he's 47 seconds and he's struggling and he's totally calm.

Andrew Santino 40:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:24 And he didn't just shoot a guy.

Andrew Santino 40:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:26 And, and then he's supposed to get it in that stupid fucking backpack. It's literally... It makes no sense.

Andrew Santino 40:32 And the elevator music was a nice touch, by the way.

Joe Rogan 40:34 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 40:34 It was a nice- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:35 So this is, this is just a narrative, right?

Andrew Santino 40:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:38 We watch a guy jump off the roof and then we, we supposedly find this rifle. So if you can have a guy that's in the audience that's yelling, "I shot him, now shoot me. I shot him, now shoot me," and then that guy gets arrested for child porn charges, like he's... Like, what is, what is going on here?

Andrew Santino 40:55 That's so weird.

Joe Rogan 40:56 And then you find this rifle and then you say, "Oh, he assembled it and he reassembled it." Like, okay. (clears throat)

Andrew Santino 41:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:02 A l- I, if I was... I wish I was a cop. I'd sit in a room like, "This story is horseshit." Like-

Andrew Santino 41:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:07 ... none of these, none of these things make any sense to me. Like you're telling me that this kid who's not military trained, this guy... First of all, how did he get to the roof? H- how come nobody was looking? How come nobody was like... There's a direct line of sight between where he's sitting and those roofs. You guys didn't check? You don't have a drone? Like, that's insane. So he's on the roof, he shoots, he jumps from the roof. He jumps down 14 feet.

Andrew Santino 41:32 Yeah, we saw they had-

Joe Rogan 41:33 So-

Andrew Santino 41:33 Didn't they have video of him jump? Somebody had, had a cellphone video of him jumping down, right?

Joe Rogan 41:35 Yeah. There's a video of him jumping. So this guy-

Andrew Santino 41:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:37 ... whoever it is, jumps off of the roof and lands on- Whether or not he's even the guy who shot him.

Andrew Santino 41:42 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:42 Maybe he thought he was gonna shoot him, maybe he's a patsy, maybe he did it.

Andrew Santino 41:46 I feel like he has a plan. Did you see the video?

Joe Rogan 41:48 I don't know.

Andrew Santino 41:48 Did you see the, the person doing investigating on his mom's Facebook?

Joe Rogan 41:52 No.

Andrew Santino 41:52 You haven't seen this? Have you seen that, Jamie? Some dude online is-

Joe Rogan 41:55 His mom's got a weird Facebook name, Spilled Coffee.

Andrew Santino 41:57 It's very trippy. It doesn't make any sense. Like the more they keep looking into it-

Joe Rogan 42:01 But here's the thing, dude.

Andrew Santino 42:02 ... the more they're like, this doesn't feel-

Joe Rogan 42:03 But-

Andrew Santino 42:03 ... like a real... It feels super fabricated.

Joe Rogan 42:06 But here's the thing, just like I was talking about when people are arguing on social media, th- it's all part of the plan. If you want things to be co- Ah, fuck, I wanna...

Andrew Santino 42:14 Oh, I wanted it so bad.

Joe Rogan 42:15 I wanna so bad.

Andrew Santino 42:15 Buckets, I was, buckets.

Joe Rogan 42:17 If, if you want people to, to lose all faith that anyone is gonna solve anything-

Andrew Santino 42:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:25 ... you add a bunch of... You're gonna kill a guy. You add a bunch of other wacky shit that doesn't make any sense and you spam it out there at the same time.

Andrew Santino 42:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:33 You leave a gun that didn't do it-

Andrew Santino 42:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:35 ... out in the woods. You do a bunch of shit like that, you get some furry-

Andrew Santino 42:38 You have an old man put his dick out and yell, "I did it, I did it, I did it."

Joe Rogan 42:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you get some kid who, uh, has, uh, a boyfriend who's a furry and you, uh-

Andrew Santino 42:46 His boyfriend is a furry?

Joe Rogan 42:47 ... you talk to him on Discord. I think he's a furry.

Andrew Santino 42:49 Is that what-

Joe Rogan 42:49 I don't wanna disrespect him.

Andrew Santino 42:50 I don't know if that's a real thing.

Joe Rogan 42:51 He's definitely a... His, his boyfriend's definitely a guy who became a girl.

Andrew Santino 42:55 ... and wears furry stuff.

Joe Rogan 42:56 I think they do furry sex. They, I think, or, or, uh, furry games, excuse me. My apologies. I don't wanna disrespect the furry sex or furry game community.

Andrew Santino 43:04 Shout out to the furry community. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Bro, shout out to the furries, because me and Duncan Trussell, we did a podcast once with the mascot outfits-

Andrew Santino 43:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:10 ... and we took the masks off after, like, five minutes. We were like, "Bro, shout out to the furries. Like, this is fucking hard."

Andrew Santino 43:16 Tough, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:16 It's hard. We had this big-

Andrew Santino 43:17 Sweating.

Joe Rogan 43:18 ... we have this big chipmunk h- head on all day. They're heavy.

Andrew Santino 43:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:21 You're hot in there. We couldn't breathe. Like, "Oh, dude."

Andrew Santino 43:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:24 We took it off, and we were like, "Shout out to the furries."

Andrew Santino 43:27 Shout out to the furries. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:27 'Cause these guys are out there rocking that-

Andrew Santino 43:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:29 ... all day long. Like that-

Andrew Santino 43:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 ... is a commitment to being weird.

Andrew Santino 43:33 I don't, I just don't know. I just don't... Something doesn't add up about that kid.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Something doesn't add up.

Andrew Santino 43:37 It feels weird.

Joe Rogan 43:38 The whole thing feels weird.

Andrew Santino 43:39 Between that... This was my story. Between that, the 9/11, Charlie Kirk, Kimmel-

Joe Rogan 43:47 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 43:47 ... I was on the phone with my agent. I was like, "Good time for me to put out a fucking special."

Joe Rogan 43:51 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 43:51 This is the fucking worst, dude. Like the worst week.

Joe Rogan 43:55 It's not, though. It's a good time-

Andrew Santino 43:56 Well-

Joe Rogan 43:57 ... 'cause people want to get away.

Andrew Santino 43:58 It's just so stupid to think, though, that I was like, "Oh, this is..." But this is the world we live in. If someone is... I said if you're waiting for a gap for, like, a good time-

Joe Rogan 44:05 There's no good time.

Andrew Santino 44:05 ... to... It doesn't exist.

Joe Rogan 44:06 Doesn't exist.

Andrew Santino 44:07 You just have to just... You just have to keep going, 'cause this is insane.

Joe Rogan 44:10 But see, that, that way of thinking that there's a gap, like there's a season. This is summer, springtime. It's pilot season.

Andrew Santino 44:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:16 All that shit's gone.

Andrew Santino 44:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:17 Pilot season doesn't exist anymore.

Andrew Santino 44:19 No.

Joe Rogan 44:19 That was the fucking... Everybody would structure their year around pilot season.

Andrew Santino 44:24 Going back to LA, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:25 Yes. It was huge. All my friends from New York would all come out to LA. It was a great time at the store.

Andrew Santino 44:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:29 Pilot season. Look, everybody's here.

Andrew Santino 44:31 I did love that.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Everybody was there to try to... It was great.

Andrew Santino 44:33 People came from New York, and they'd stay for a month, and you're like, "Oh, I see these guys."

Joe Rogan 44:36 It was great.

Andrew Santino 44:36 Yeah, yeah, it was nice.

Joe Rogan 44:36 It was great. Pilot season was great. It doesn't exist anymore.

Andrew Santino 44:39 Well, it can't, right? There's no-

Joe Rogan 44:41 It can't. There's no shows.

Andrew Santino 44:42 Right. And it doesn't matter anymore now, because what Apple's investment has done, what Netflix has done, what all these streaming services have done-

Joe Rogan 44:49 What YouTube has done.

Andrew Santino 44:50 YouTube. They've basically been like, "We'll, we'll just dictate how the shows exist."

Joe Rogan 44:54 Well, th- they didn't even say that. They just put out content that you can get instantaneously.

Andrew Santino 44:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:59 And they just put out so much of it that they drown the other people without even talking about them.

Andrew Santino 45:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:04 They didn't even have to bring them up.

Andrew Santino 45:06 Well, that's why those numbers... I mean, you know, that's why the numbers for, for TV is so weird and low, because young people are like, "Well, I'll just watch it on my phone."

Joe Rogan 45:13 Yes.

Andrew Santino 45:14 "I'm not gonna... I don't wanna watch that."

Joe Rogan 45:15 So, going back to this Jimmy Kimmel thing. There's a lot going on with this. So-

Andrew Santino 45:19 Do you know him, by the way, or no?

Joe Rogan 45:20 Yes.

Andrew Santino 45:20 You do?

Joe Rogan 45:20 He's a good guy.

Andrew Santino 45:21 I see, I see.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Jimmy's a good guy. He's a smart guy. He's a funny guy. He was always very funny on, when, when, you know, he did that fucking Windy City Heat thing.

Andrew Santino 45:29 I love that. Such a good movie.

Joe Rogan 45:32 I think he tried to distance himself from that. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 45:35 Oh, big time.

Joe Rogan 45:35 He's like very, very, very successful because it's a 25-year prank.

Andrew Santino 45:40 What's his name? Perry Farrel?

Joe Rogan 45:41 Yeah. The- let's not mention him.

Andrew Santino 45:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Let's, 'cause he's-

Andrew Santino 45:45 I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 45:45 ... pretentious. Let's just have people go find it. Windy, Windy City Heat.

Andrew Santino 45:50 Go find it.

Joe Rogan 45:50 But you see that, and you go, "Oh, that's the same guy?"

Andrew Santino 45:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Like, yeah. Well, s- one thing that does happen to guys as they get older is, um, you know, they soften their ways, and they change who they are, and they change how they interface with the world, and you know. And then, if you're in Hollywood, you are also addicted to an ideology. And it depends on what kind of style you have. So if you have a, a s- a funny, mocking style that is, like, satirical, that's always making fun of things tongue-in-cheek, like Norm MacDonald.

Andrew Santino 46:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:22 Perfect example. Norm MacDonald, even if he's making fun of you, is not gonna piss you off to the point where you tweet about him. Because if you do, he kinda won. He kinda got you.

Andrew Santino 46:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:31 You know what I mean? So it's like Kimmel has this sort of a go-fuck-yourself style. Well, 'cause kinda ironically, he celebrated on, in his monologue when Tucker Carlson got fired.

Andrew Santino 46:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:48 It's kind of a problem.

Andrew Santino 46:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:49 And it's also kind of a problem that he, in his monologue, talked about how it was the right thing to fire Roseanne.

Andrew Santino 46:56 Yeah, I remember that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:57 Little bit of a problem.

Andrew Santino 46:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Little bit of a problem. Also a problem that he thought the unvaccinated, he made a joke about the unvaccinated people shouldn't get hospital care if there's people who are vaccinated that need that room. Like, the, I think the joke was, "Oh, vaccinated person who's had a heart attack? Come right in here, sir. Uh, unvaxxed person who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, Wheezy." Like, that was the joke.

Andrew Santino 47:22 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:23 "Look, I'm unvaccinated." And I was like, "That's kind of a fucked-up joke," but I'm not mad at him. You know?

Andrew Santino 47:28 No, it's a joke.

Joe Rogan 47:29 It's just a joke.

Andrew Santino 47:30 It's a joke.

Joe Rogan 47:30 But it's like those things weren't a problem, but this one thing where he said, "It was a low point." What did he say? I don't, I wanna be real clear. Let's, let's, like, pull up his actual quote, because what he said was not bad. It wasn't accurate, though.

Andrew Santino 47:47 It-

Joe Rogan 47:47 But it wasn't bad. He was just trying to set up this joke of Trump-

Andrew Santino 47:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:53 ... which was good.

Andrew Santino 47:53 It was a great joke.

Joe Rogan 47:54 It was very funny.

Andrew Santino 47:55 But the setup was a little wonky. I do remember listening to it.

Joe Rogan 47:57 But it was also like it's like a... It's, the problem with doing it that way on Monday is that by Sunday night, they already knew that this guy, his family had been saying that... Again, I don't even know if he really did it.

Andrew Santino 48:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:12 But this person who they're talking about-

Andrew Santino 48:14 Who they, the plant.

Joe Rogan 48:15 This person who they're talking about, whether or not he did it or didn't do it, well, the FBI's now investigating deeply and further, by the way.

Andrew Santino 48:21 Yeah, we'll find out.

Joe Rogan 48:21 So Kash Patel did say that, um, whatever that means, right? But, so here it is, what he actually says. Here's the actual, the actual-

Narrator 48:32 We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger-pointing, it was-

Joe Rogan 48:45 Okay, stop right there.

Andrew Santino 48:47 Yeah, that was-

Joe Rogan 48:47 Okay.

Andrew Santino 48:47 It's a weird phrasing when he goes, he, "They're trying to pin it as anybody but them."

Joe Rogan 48:52 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 48:52 Asserting that he was a MAGA guy.

Joe Rogan 48:54 Well, this is the thing. In the beginning, people thought he was. So, the first reports were that he was a hardcore right-wing guy, uh, that he was a registered Republican, which he may or may not be. Sometimes people go back and forth.

Andrew Santino 49:06 Sure.

Joe Rogan 49:06 You know? Um, and then the other thing was that he was a groiper. Said he was a, a Nick Fuentes fan.

Andrew Santino 49:12 What's-

Joe Rogan 49:12 That was some other stuff that was going around.

Andrew Santino 49:14 What's groi- what's groiper?

Joe Rogan 49:15 We'll get into that in a bit.

Andrew Santino 49:16 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:16 Hold, please.

Andrew Santino 49:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Um, then it came out that, no, his father is a law enforcement guy?

Narrator 49:24 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 49:25 That's not true?

Andrew Santino 49:26 I think that's what, uh, that was part of the story, but I think later found out that wasn't true also.

Joe Rogan 49:30 Right. Um, so-

Andrew Santino 49:31 I don't know, I'll look it up.

Joe Rogan 49:31 What's true? Family, some family members by Sunday, the Utah governor was saying that family members were reporting that this young man had been, uh, wrapped up in some very hardcore leftist ideology. So, this had already been released on Sunday. Mm. So, on Monday, if Kimmel had just said, you know, "It was a tragic thing that, uh, Charlie Kirk died, uh, and, uh, let's see if the president thinks about it."

Andrew Santino 49:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:57 Goes right to him and like, "What if..." (laughs) This is the four stage of grief.

Andrew Santino 50:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:02 Destruction. It's a great joke. It's a great joke. The whole thing was great. But it, the, the problem is we had already known by then, again, at least the f- the narrative is that this kid is not a, l- uh, a, a MAGA person.

Andrew Santino 50:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:18 The narrative by Sunday night, so a day before, by Sunday night it was this kid was really g- wrapped up in some hardcore leftist, Antifa ideologies. Listen, here's the other reality. If you're 20, you're dumb as shit, and people can get you to be a Nazi.

Andrew Santino 50:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:37 They can g- they can get you-

Andrew Santino 50:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:39 ... to be, be a Muslim. They can get you to be Mormon. They can get you to be a Scientologist. They can get you to be anything. When, when people are young and they don't have any friends and their parents suck, you can indoctrinate them.

Andrew Santino 50:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:51 You know? When I was doing martial arts when I was a kid, I was basically in a cult. I was, uh, just in a cult of how to fuck people up. Like, everybody bowed to everybody. It was bananas. You have to call everyone sir and mister.

Andrew Santino 51:01 Mm.

Joe Rogan 51:01 It's kind of very cult-like.

Andrew Santino 51:03 It is?

Joe Rogan 51:03 It's very disciplined. It creates a great structure. It was good for me growing up. But at the end of the day, it's kind of a cult-like. We're just lucky they didn't take advantage of us.

Andrew Santino 51:11 Right. They didn't, you didn't, they make you stay after and do other shit.

Joe Rogan 51:14 20-year-olds are dumb, dude.

Andrew Santino 51:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:16 It's like we have to have a little bit more grace for people, like, across the bo- not for, obviously not for ones who actually shoot Charlie Kirk, but ...

Andrew Santino 51:23 No.

Joe Rogan 51:23 The problem is everybody, because they're online all the time, genuinely believes that there's this crazy culture war that we have to stand up and fight against. I was telling you about that guy that was saying that you have to be like Neo from The Matrix now, just you're calling him like ... Will you fucking settle down?

Andrew Santino 51:37 Yeah, slow down, dude.

Joe Rogan 51:38 Settle down, 'cause-

Andrew Santino 51:38 Just get your matcha and chill out.

Joe Rogan 51:40 Uh, also it's like g- the last thing the left wants is an actual fight with the right. They are so much more armed.

Andrew Santino 51:48 I was just gonna say, who do you think has all the guns?

Joe Rogan 51:50 Who do you think is former military?

Andrew Santino 51:52 Yeah, who's got all the guns?

Joe Rogan 51:53 Who do you think is law enfor- you think there's a lot of lefty law enforcement people out there?

Andrew Santino 51:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:57 Are you fucking crazy?

Andrew Santino 51:59 Yeah, it's a bad, it's a bad ... Uh, but this is the thing I think where you said the bot farming, the f-

Joe Rogan 52:03 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Santino 52:03 They're plotting really hard for us to hate each other as much as we possibly can. They're p-

Joe Rogan 52:08 That's it.

Andrew Santino 52:08 And so, but what is the-

Joe Rogan 52:09 You can't give into this.

Andrew Santino 52:10 What's the overarching thing? That's the older I get, the more I'm like, "What is really fucking going on?"

Joe Rogan 52:14 That's a big part of it.

Andrew Santino 52:16 Like, what is it?

Joe Rogan 52:16 You can't, you can't let that happen, folks. You can't let that happen. And this is something that I've been saying for a long time. Pretend I didn't say it. Pretend somebody else s- said it if you don't like me.

Andrew Santino 52:24 (laughs) If you don't like him.

Joe Rogan 52:25 We, we have to be a community. This is the United States of America. We're supposed to be a country. Like, we can have differences of opinions. Like, when we're in the mothership green room, I, I, my politics are so different than Ron White's, and Ron White's are so different than Brian Simpson's, and Hasan's somewhere in the middle.

Andrew Santino 52:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:43 His is different, and Tony's, Tony's Tony, he's got his own, like-

Andrew Santino 52:46 Tony's Tony.

Joe Rogan 52:46 We're all sitting here having conversations about things, but we're never like, "Hey, fuck you. You fucking fascist." You don't know sh- like, we're not calling people names.

Andrew Santino 52:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:55 We'll disagree on what happens if you g- look, I think you need a social safety net. And there's a lot of people who don't think that. But when I was a kid, my family was on welfare. We were poor. Like, it helps you. It helps people eat, man. Like, this, this is, you're talking literally about people that could go hungry in the United States of America, which is step one to fix.

Andrew Santino 53:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Like-

Andrew Santino 53:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:15 We, it doesn't mean that you're gonna divide everybody's money amongst everybody else and it's gonna be co- no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta have some social safety net. You have to have food, you have to have housing, you should have education, all of it should be free. College l- level education. Why the fuck do you go broke getting educated? Do we not want people to make ... If we're gonna subsidize anything in this country, wouldn't we subsidize education? No, we're gonna subsidize corn. We need more corn syrup.

Andrew Santino 53:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:42 We need more people getting fat and stupid. Well, it's crazy that-

Andrew Santino 53:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:46 ... there's pushback against that. It doesn't mean that you think equal outcomes should exist. No. Hard work is real. Discipline is real. It's important. You wanna have a good life? You gotta go after something.

Andrew Santino 53:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:57 You don't have equality of outcome because you don't have equality of effort. It's that simple. It really is.

Andrew Santino 54:03 And some people need a little extra help.

Joe Rogan 54:06 Right.

Andrew Santino 54:06 I think the m- and the, look, and this is me saying something about you, knowing you as long as I've known you, the, you're, you're someone that's very generous and you've always been very generous and you kind of instilled that in the community. So, a lot of people learn through you that like, hey man, if you get more you should probably wanna give a little bit more.

Joe Rogan 54:22 You should give more because it feels nice-

Andrew Santino 54:24 It should be instinctual. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:24 ... and it doesn't feel bad to you at all.

Andrew Santino 54:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:26 At all.

Andrew Santino 54:27 And, and it doesn't affect you. You said that one time. I don't know who was saying that you were like, "What do you leave for a tip?" And someone said something, whatever the number was. I'm not gonna call. And then you go, "Why? That's nothing. If you left a little bit more, you wouldn't even know the difference." You said, "Leave that, you won't even know the difference." And they were like, "Well, I don't..." And you're like, "You won't even know it's gone." Because you're doing well, someone else, you can lift up just a little bit more.

Joe Rogan 54:46 You give them a love bomb.

Andrew Santino 54:47 Yeah, dude. It's just a-

Joe Rogan 54:48 It's a love bomb.

Andrew Santino 54:48 Just a love bomb. Give a little bit more.

Joe Rogan 54:50 I love tipping 'cause you, when you, you get, like, if I'm in Europe, it kind of bums me out 'cause nobody wants tips, or they don't have tips.

Andrew Santino 54:57 And they look at you so crazy.

Joe Rogan 54:58 It's a weird system because this system is flawed as it is because I do think that people should be paid a living wage. I don't think you should have to rely on the benef- uh, the, the, the generosity of other people that you're serving.

Andrew Santino 55:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:12 That's kind of crazy too.

Andrew Santino 55:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:13 'Cause not everybody is like me. A lo- a lot of people are fucking really stingy, man.

Andrew Santino 55:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:18 I know some people that really suck at tipping. It's gross.

Andrew Santino 55:20 Call them out. Here we go. Here's the list.

Joe Rogan 55:21 Let's not do it.

Andrew Santino 55:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:23 But the point is, it's like when you do, if you can do it, like if you can live, if you're supposed to leave 10 bucks and you leave 100-... like, you know how good that feels to that person?

Andrew Santino 55:33 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:33 They just like ... You gave them a little love bomb. And if you've got some money in the bank, do you know that $100 is missing? No, you don't know it. You have no idea.

Andrew Santino 55:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:42 You drop a hundy in that fucking Starbucks bowl, who gives a shit?

Andrew Santino 55:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:45 Let's move on. We're going to the, we're going to the airport.

Andrew Santino 55:48 There's a lot of people listening that it's like, "I'm not doing that." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:50 'Cause you don't have to do that, but whatever you can do that doesn't affect you. Look, if you're getting by and you're struggling, I get it, man. I'm ... But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about once you're not, giving people a little is good. It feels good. It's nice.

Andrew Santino 56:05 And I think that carries through. I think people start to see it as a cool thing to do.

Joe Rogan 56:09 It's a nice thing to do.

Andrew Santino 56:10 So then it carries on, right?

Joe Rogan 56:10 Being nice is cool. And it's a ... The other thing is it's like you don't realize how much it benefits you, like it makes you feel good too.

Andrew Santino 56:18 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:19 It makes you feel good.

Andrew Santino 56:20 Oh, I love it. It's a universal thing. It like feed-

Joe Rogan 56:22 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 56:22 It feeds. It's a ... It feeds.

Joe Rogan 56:23 Yes.

Andrew Santino 56:23 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Yes.

Andrew Santino 56:24 I'm gonna say this one thing about the Kimmel thing and then I'm done, because I didn't finish kind of my thought before, but ... I like Jimmy. I texted him just to check in with him 'cause I, I, I've always liked him. He's always been pretty cool to me. Also, my buddy was like, "How crazy, like, one of the last guests on Kimmel," I did it, like, a week before he got dropped (laughs) . I was like, "Oh, that'll be cool. That'll fucking end, end my career of late night," with his canceled show. But I l- I like the dude a lot and I think my beef with that world is, I think they got so political and they had to ground themselves in it so much that it took away from how fun those shows could be.

Joe Rogan 56:59 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 56:59 So that's my biggest problem with all of them. And, uh, it's not necessarily Jimmy's fault, it's not any of their ... Colbert. It's kind of that just the, the system that started to take place.

Joe Rogan 57:07 It's everybody's fault.

Andrew Santino 57:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:08 It's the president's fault too.

Andrew Santino 57:09 Well, yeah. He-

Joe Rogan 57:10 'Cause he's doing it back and forth with them.

Andrew Santino 57:11 ... eggs them on, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 But meanwhile, he got together in a dinner with Bill Maher, who's been talking shit about him for decades. And apparently Bill Maher liked him.

Andrew Santino 57:18 Yeah, I think-

Joe Rogan 57:18 They like each other now.

Andrew Santino 57:19 ... I saw that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Do you know how crazy that is that what works at The Comedy Store also works at The White House?

Andrew Santino 57:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:24 Just talk to 'em.

Andrew Santino 57:25 Talk to 'em.

Joe Rogan 57:25 Like, how many times do you have a, a little beef with a comedian, you get in front of 'em, and you have a conversation with 'em, and then 20 minutes later, Marc Maron, 20 minutes later you're hugging each other? (laughs)

Andrew Santino 57:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:35 Right, because-

Andrew Santino 57:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:36 ... most people in person are cool.

Andrew Santino 57:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:38 But, uh, you get lost in whatever the fuck is in your head.

Andrew Santino 57:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:42 You're arguing with yourself. And with Trump, it's all about disrespect, you know, if he feels disrespected. If he could turn those guys all into fans of his, we might save the world from a war. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 57:52 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:52 And I'm not kidding.

Andrew Santino 57:53 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:54 And it's you're like, "Well, a person like that shouldn't be president." You're right. But also, no one should be president-

Andrew Santino 58:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:00 ... because everybody has a little of that guy in them, which is what drives you the most nuts.

Andrew Santino 58:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:05 Everybody has a little of that fuck you.

Andrew Santino 58:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:08 Even though I'm the president, I'm gonna call some girl I slept with Horse Face.

Andrew Santino 58:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:11 I'm gonna call Kim Jong Un Rocket Man. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 58:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:14 Little Rocket Man. There's ... No one should do that fucking job. Understand it's crazy. It's as crazy as wanting to be on late night TV. (laughs) It's antiquated.

Andrew Santino 58:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:25 It doesn't make any sense anymore. It was a good job when there was, like, 150 different fucking cities and it was like, you know, a million people in the whole country, and you can kind of, like, keep it together. We're at 330 plus who knows how many people snuck in during the last four years.

Andrew Santino 58:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:41 Too many terrorist cells and over ... every fucking thing's ready to spring, th- trick you into, uh, adopting some sort of a digital ID. Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 58:50 It's deep.

Joe Rogan 58:51 It's wild. At the same time, they're making so much AI that they're not even gonna be able to power it. The, the grid's not gonna be able to handle it. If we're gonna really compete in the AI race, we have to substantially improve the power grid and power output.

Andrew Santino 59:06 How do we do that?

Joe Rogan 59:08 Pff. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 59:08 You have to fuckin' know.

Joe Rogan 59:08 You're asking the wrong guy. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 59:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:10 But I know, uh, Brian Simpson sent me this today. I'll send it to you, Jamie. When I was looking at this I was like, "Jesus Christ, this is one of those things where you're like, every time I start to think, 'Well, what if we take care of all ... ' Oh, this too?"

Andrew Santino 59:22 Mm.

Joe Rogan 59:23 "This too?"

Andrew Santino 59:24 I saw this thing. Japan d- has these kinetic energy sidewalks and it's, uh, because of the foot traffic, and so that kinetic energy transfers into stored energy.

Joe Rogan 59:34 We're gonna need nuclear, dude.

Andrew Santino 59:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:35 And we're gonna need a lot of it. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 59:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:38 There's, uh ... They're doing a, uh, a Google AI, and this Google AI they are connecting to the construction of three different nuclear power plants. Three.

Andrew Santino 59:51 Three.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 59:51 Big.

Joe Rogan 59:52 It's-

Andrew Santino 59:52 Big, big, big.

Joe Rogan 59:52 You have to power the new god, Santino.

Andrew Santino 59:56 Ah.

Joe Rogan 59:56 You gotta power the new god. The new god-

Andrew Santino 59:58 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 59:58 ... requires a lot of electricity.

Andrew Santino 1:00:00 Yeah. God, he's hungry.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Look at this.

Andrew Santino 1:00:01 He needs energy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 What ... Now, this may or may not be true, 'cause this is someone ... Wiz of ... What is it? Wiz of Dao? Wi- WizoFi. WizoFi on Instagram.

Andrew Santino 1:00:12 Wizo ... No, Wiz of AI.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Okay.

Andrew Santino 1:00:13 Wiz of AI.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Wiz of A- ... Oh, Jesus Christ.

Andrew Santino 1:00:15 Uh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Oh, my God, I'm retarded. Is this AI then? Um, it might be AI tricking us with a story about AI. It could be.

Andrew Santino 1:00:21 That White-

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Right?

Andrew Santino 1:00:21 ... House tech meeting wasn't about AI. Am- Apple, NVIDIA, Meta came for one reason: to secure electricity before it runs out. The real agenda: a $500 billion electricity crisis that could shut down AI development. Here's what they're not telling you.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Dun, dun, dun. Click on that.

Andrew Santino 1:00:38 I love the Zuckerberg photo they put up there, that they used. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Uh, every major tech CEO at the summit shared the same fear: "We don't have enough power for AI, not enough to run trillion-parameter models, not enough to power hyperscale data centers, not enough to meet the chip demand that doubles every nine months." Dude, doubles.

Andrew Santino 1:00:58 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 The media spun it as historic pledges for AI innovation. But behind closed doors, the conversation was blunt. This might be just, like, a article they write about behind closed doors at the mothership.

Andrew Santino 1:01:07 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 Behind closed doors-

Andrew Santino 1:01:08 Closed doors.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 ... at the mothership. They're handing out Nazi paraphernalia-

Andrew Santino 1:01:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 (laughs) ... and sieg heiling each other. Most shocking deal so far, Microsoft just locked up all, a- in all caps, all of the Three Mile Island nuclear output, 837 megawatts, 20-year contract, plant won't even restart until 2028. First of all, Three Mile Island is the place that melted down in, like, the '70s.Do you remember that?

Andrew Santino 1:01:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Remember Three Mile-

Andrew Santino 1:01:34 Three Mile Island? Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Who wants that spot? Is that spot good?

Andrew Santino 1:01:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Is it good now? (laughs) Like, you guys had a meltdown there just 30 years ago.

Andrew Santino 1:01:41 Right. How's that real estate?

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 Oh, like, how many years ago was it? I think it was 50.

Andrew Santino 1:01:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Was it 50 years ago?

Andrew Santino 1:01:45 No, I just Googled on my phone, the, uh, no, NPR article that says, "Three Mile Island nuclear plant will reopen to power-"

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 It's fine.

Andrew Santino 1:01:51 "... Microsoft data centers."

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 It's fine.

Andrew Santino 1:01:53 Microsoft owns it now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Good. It's fine.

Andrew Santino 1:01:57 Fine. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Don't worry about it.

Andrew Santino 1:01:57 Get back out there.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 We covered it in Bill Gates' Apeel, the stuff that they put around avocados.

Andrew Santino 1:02:02 What is that shit?

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 I don't know, you tell me. It helps things stay fresh-

Andrew Santino 1:02:06 No, I don't want... Stay fresh longer?

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Yeah. Or it could- (laughs)

Andrew Santino 1:02:07 Wait, go back to that other slide though. What did that say? The last thing said, "Microsoft already owns every future electron it will produce."

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 (laughs)

Andrew Santino 1:02:14 So they pre-bought... We bought all that shit.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 They bought the whole power plant.

Andrew Santino 1:02:17 It's like a rapper.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 But this is the thing, I think you have to do that.

Andrew Santino 1:02:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 This is just Microsoft's solution to it. Jamie, could you please, uh, Google, uh, Google what Google's AI is, uh, going to need and the amount of, uh, power plants that it's dedicating to this AI thing that it's doing.

Andrew Santino 1:02:37 God.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 And this is, again, not quantum. So quantum computing is a completely different level. You have to, you have to cool things down. The entire... It's like this enormous machine that's entire, uh, b- the, the whole purpose of all this stuff and these tubes and shit is to get this chip so fucking cold it's like it's in space.

Andrew Santino 1:02:58 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 It has to be like space cold, like as cold-

Andrew Santino 1:03:01 Why? What, it runs better when it's freezing?

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 It's the only way it works.

Andrew Santino 1:03:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 I don't understand it.

Andrew Santino 1:03:05 God, I hate that shit.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Do you wanna know how strong it is? Ready for this?

Andrew Santino 1:03:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 This is what Marc Andreessen said. "Quantum computing can take a sol- uh, like an equation that..." This is Marc Andreessen's words, that if you converted the entire universe, every atom in the entire universe into a supercomputer, the universe would die of heat death before it solved this equation. And the quantum computer solved it in minutes.

Andrew Santino 1:03:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 In minutes, like, in the time it takes you to take a shit while you're looking at Instagram.

Andrew Santino 1:03:38 Mm-hmm. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 It figured out something that would take the entire universe until it dies of heat death. If you took every atom of the universe and you converted it into a supercomputer, the biggest fucking supercomputer, it would still... It's so complex that the universe would run out of time.

Andrew Santino 1:03:56 (laughs) Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 And this quantum computer did it in minutes. And they're speculating like, "How could it do it?" And one of the main points of speculation is that it's proof of the multiverse. And so they, they're bend... You know, they have to explore every single possible idea, and one of the most fantastical is that this is evidence that not only is this quantum computer able to harness impossible amounts of computational power, but then it shares it with an infinite number of these quantum computers that are in other direction, uh, other dimensions rather. And so they're all simultaneously working on this project together, and they come up with a solution within minutes.

Andrew Santino 1:04:38 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 So it's far more intelligent than the entire universe. If the universe was a supercomputer, and it's in a room somewhere-

Andrew Santino 1:04:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 ... in Dallas. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 1:04:52 It's down the street.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Jack Carr writes about it in one of his books, in the Terminalist books. And, you know, and he, he kind of really, um, investigated extensively whether or not this kind of thing is possible, and it really is. It's not just possible, they're d- they're demonstrating. So what we know about it, like, as far as, like, press releases, conversations about it, it's very public.

Andrew Santino 1:05:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 But we don't know, like, what it's doing right now.

Andrew Santino 1:05:18 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 What is it doing right now?

Andrew Santino 1:05:19 Yeah, who-

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 You think they're gonna tell us?

Andrew Santino 1:05:20 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 What is today, September 22nd? Is that what it is?

Andrew Santino 1:05:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 September 22nd, 2025, are they gonna tell us-

Andrew Santino 1:05:26 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 ... what it's doing right now? May- maybe it's, like, writing a new Bible.

Andrew Santino 1:05:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 You know?

Andrew Santino 1:05:33 Yeah, its own Bible.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Maybe it's like, "I'm coming back." Maybe it's God, like this is how God comes back, he comes back through a supercomputer.

Andrew Santino 1:05:40 Supercomputer. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:05:42 That's a trip, dude. Well, they're r-

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 It's not just a trip, it's plausible.

Andrew Santino 1:05:46 Yeah, no, it's probably happening right now.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 I know I've been hit in the head a bunch of times and, uh-

Andrew Santino 1:05:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 ... I smoke a lot of weed, I'm half-retarded, but I might be right about this.

Andrew Santino 1:05:53 You might be right about this.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 I think we're making a god.

Andrew Santino 1:05:57 We're creating a new god.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 Yeah, we're creating a new god.

Andrew Santino 1:05:59 Or, or we're-

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 And that's why these fucking arguments that people are having about Jimmy Kimmel are so fucking stupid. You're in the middle of one of the craziest things that's ever happened to the human race and you've got a feud between the president and a talk show host. And the talk show host (laughs) that, like... He's getting... We don't... Here's the thing about this whole deal that's going on. We, 'cause we started talking about it, but we don't know if it affect... We don't know if there was a conversation where someone said, "Hey, if you get rid of this guy, I'll help this thing get across." Because the deal... It looks like the deal was you... It was a, like a, a thing where you can only have certain amount of stations, otherwise you'd have some sort of a monopoly.

Andrew Santino 1:06:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 And they're gonna change the rules, is that correct?

Andrew Santino 1:06:48 'Cause Star... What's the name of the company again? Star- NextStar, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 NextStar.

Andrew Santino 1:06:51 Yeah. It was a FCC... Or I think it's an FCC rule. Either way, it's a rule that the FCC had talked about changing that you can't have over X, like, 34% control or something.

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 They were, they were gonna have the conversation to start it to see if this was possible to let you have more than a certain percentage, right? And this is for TV stations, right?

Andrew Santino 1:07:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 Bro.

Andrew Santino 1:07:07 'Cause they, they own, own 192. Is that f- that's the number? It's something fucking insane.

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 This motherfucker's out here buying AM radio stations.

Andrew Santino 1:07:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 Okay? (laughs) If I was-

Andrew Santino 1:07:16 32.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 If I was Nan- if I was Nancy Pelosi, I'd start betting against him.

Andrew Santino 1:07:19 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 Like, what are you... You're going into TV?

Andrew Santino 1:07:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 Today?

Andrew Santino 1:07:22 Today.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 And you're, you're going to the TV and, uh, to get your deal to go through, you're going to expose the flaws of being on TV publicly to the world where you're gonna get a guy removed-

Andrew Santino 1:07:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 ... to help your deal grease through. You're literally gonna poison your own business because people are gonna start questioning, "How does it... Why do you not... Why do you need a licensed... Why does the FCC..." Like, this is what you're really concerned about?

Andrew Santino 1:07:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:47 Like, who... Is there a, some shen- Can I see some emails?

Andrew Santino 1:07:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 Was... Did you guys have dinner together?

Andrew Santino 1:07:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 Like, can I see some fucking metadata-

Andrew Santino 1:07:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 ... of where the cellphones were three days before this decision was reached? So it's... You don't know, and then you've got Jimmy Kimmel who's like-... a, a feisty dude and he's like, "Hey, fuck you." And if you're the guy who could say, "Hey, fuck you," to the president, he apparently didn't wanna back down. And not only did he not wanna back down, and he kinda ramped it up. And so on Tuesday, he went at him again.

Andrew Santino 1:08:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 And he kinda talked about it, and then they pulled the plug on it. So like, there's a lot of factors there. You could say that maybe they thought that in this incredibly trying time, after the murder of a political guy who was very controversial, like, "Maybe we should take the temperature down a notch as a country." You know?

Andrew Santino 1:08:40 Yeah, but you just said-

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 Maybe-

Andrew Santino 1:08:40 ... that they exposed themselves, though.

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 Exactly.

Andrew Santino 1:08:42 By doing that, now you open up a weird Pandora's box of people going-

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 They didn't play it out.

Andrew Santino 1:08:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 They didn't play it out. You have to play 4D chess with that shit, because like, you, you have a v-... If I was working for them, I would say, "Hold on, you have a very, very vulnerable business."

Andrew Santino 1:08:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 This business is kind of nonsense. (laughs)

Andrew Santino 1:08:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:59 Anybody can, anybody can make a channel and just throw it up on YouTube. Anybody can make a website on Squarespace and stream video. Like, what are you doing?

Andrew Santino 1:09:09 And we're doing it... They're ha- they're happening-

Joe Rogan 1:09:10 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:09:10 ... right now more and more and more.

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:09:12 And, and also the numbers were, they started exposing numbers. It's supposed to do with the, uh... It's 'cause it's the radio spectrum and that has to stay up for, like, emergency purposes.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 (sniffs)

Andrew Santino 1:09:20 It just, like, gets r- way into the weeds with this.

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 Oh, okay. That makes sense-

Andrew Santino 1:09:23 That's why this shouldn't exist.

Joe Rogan 1:09:24 ... too. Yeah.

Andrew Santino 1:09:25 That's why if the power went out- Right. ... YouTube would be gone-

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 Right, right, right.

Andrew Santino 1:09:27 ... but that would still exist.

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 That's interesting. Well, so you need some kind of a way to get signals across, but, but, guess, guess what, kids? If the power (laughs) goes out, that's your last concern.

Andrew Santino 1:09:36 See you later.

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 The last concern is how many bullets does Bobby have?

Andrew Santino 1:09:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:41 Can I borrow some bullets from Bobby? We gotta go shoot squirrels to stay alive.

Andrew Santino 1:09:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 There's no more squirrels. We shot all the squirrels. We have to move to where the animals live, 'cause w-... You think you live around animals, but you live around a relative number of animals for an urban or suburban environment.

Andrew Santino 1:09:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:59 Once people start shooting the pigeons, they go away real quick.

Andrew Santino 1:10:02 Mm-hmm. (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 The passenger pigeon used to be one of