Joe Rogan Experience #2386 - The Red Clay Strays

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Brandon Coleman 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Well, I mean, we haven't done many podcasts but, uh, we were on Theo's last year, and, uh, it -you know, Theo's gets a lot of engagement, a lot of views. Ours didn't do too well. I think Bertcast did all right.

Joe Rogan 0:25 I -you gotta not pay attention.

Brandon Coleman 0:27 I know, I don't.

Joe Rogan 0:27 You do not pay attention. Don't pay attention to numbers, don't pay attention to shit. Don't read the comments.

Drew Nix 0:33 That's where I messed up.

Brandon Coleman 0:34 (laughs)

Drew Nix 0:34 I got called a lesbian so many times.

Brandon Coleman 0:36 Yeah, they let Andrew off with the comments? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:38 He said mustached lesbian. (laughs)

Drew Nix 0:38 Mustached lesbian? (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 0:39 Where'd that come from?

Joe Rogan 0:39 What, he's like, "He looks like Matthew McConaughey." I don't know.

Drew Nix 0:41 Well, it's, uh, might be the chain.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Maybe.

Drew Nix 0:44 That, that looks very lesbian-esque.

Brandon Coleman 0:47 (laughs)

Drew Nix 0:47 My sister-in-law made...

Joe Rogan 0:48 It's not, it's not a bad one. It's not bad. There's nothing wrong with being a lesbian.

Andy Bishop 0:52 It's not that bad. (laughs)

Drew Nix 0:52 (laughs) No, nothing's wrong with being a lesbian.

Joe Rogan 0:53 (laughs)

Drew Nix 0:54 I'm just a heterosexual male.

Brandon Coleman 0:56 That's all-

Joe Rogan 0:57 With a wonderful mustache.

Brandon Coleman 0:59 I went back to the comments last night and, uh-

Drew Nix 1:01 Oh.

Andy Bishop 1:01 Oh, don't do that.

Brandon Coleman 1:02 I did. And somebody was like, uh, "Andrew, come on, man. Don't sit with your legs crossed." That was just the latest one. Was there-

Andy Bishop 1:08 Why, why is it always me getting picked on?

Joe Rogan 1:10 Did you sit with your legs crossed in the typical liberal f- fashion?

Andy Bishop 1:14 I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:14 Like, the Gavin Newsom style?

Brandon Coleman 1:16 Yeah, you can't do that.

Andy Bishop 1:17 I was chilling.

Joe Rogan 1:18 Yeah.

Andy Bishop 1:18 I was, I mean-

Brandon Coleman 1:19 You got a...

Joe Rogan 1:19 You, you got a little bit of a gap there.

Andy Bishop 1:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20 The thing is if you get the real, the, the deep scissor.

Brandon Coleman 1:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:24 The deep scissor-

Andy Bishop 1:24 You gotta, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:25 ... is, like, signaling.

Andy Bishop 1:26 The trick is you gotta, you gotta scoop then.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Yeah.

Andy Bishop 1:29 You gotta get your stuff out the way.

Brandon Coleman 1:31 (laughs) Yeah, but, I don't know. It doesn't, doesn't seem comfortable.

Andy Bishop 1:36 I've been doing it for a long time.

Joe Rogan 1:40 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 1:40 (laughs)

Andy Bishop 1:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:40 So, are you g- you guys are, you were telling me you're kind of burnt right now. So, you guys are fully on the road right now.

Brandon Coleman 1:46 Oh, yeah. I say that and then, and then the next moment I'm walking around, I'm just like, "Dang, this is fun." But yeah, we're just ... But usually about this time of the year, uh, where we have a couple more months left, it's like, "Man, we're almost done. Get to be home for a while more than two days at a time."

Joe Rogan 2:00 How long have you guys been on the road for?

Brandon Coleman 2:02 This year? Or just in general?

Joe Rogan 2:04 Well, all t- all told.

Brandon Coleman 2:06 Uh, we started touring in Andrew's Acadia in 2018.

Joe Rogan 2:09 And has it been flat out since then?

Brandon Coleman 2:12 Pretty much. I mean, we'd usually-

Joe Rogan 2:13 Just a few little breaks?

Brandon Coleman 2:14 Yeah. We, well, I mean, we'd break in December for Christmas. Um ...

Andy Bishop 2:17 Geez.

Brandon Coleman 2:18 And, uh, but it's gotten better. This year, we started touring in July, which was good, 'cause we usually start, um, we would usually start in I- April or May.

Andy Bishop 2:27 When did, when did you end? So ...

Brandon Coleman 2:30 We, we end in December.

Andy Bishop 2:32 Oh, okay.

Brandon Coleman 2:33 Yeah.

Andy Bishop 2:33 That's not too bad.

Brandon Coleman 2:34 No. Not this...

Drew Nix 2:35 Well, this last year, we started in March with Canada.

Brandon Coleman 2:38 Yeah, Canada. But that was, like, a month. That didn't really count.

Joe Rogan 2:42 How long have you guys been together all told?

Brandon Coleman 2:44 We got, so, we g- this, Red Clay Strays got together, uh, in December 2016. But before that, uh, Drew was the manager of a cover band and Andrew was the bass player in the cover band. And, um ...

Joe Rogan 3:01 What, what were you guys covering?

Andy Bishop 3:02 Everything.

Brandon Coleman 3:03 The good stuff.

Andy Bishop 3:04 Yeah, just blues, just, like, really bad blues.

Joe Rogan 3:08 (laughs)

Andy Bishop 3:08 Yeah, we used to run people out.

Brandon Coleman 3:09 Mostly, yeah. And country.

Andy Bishop 3:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:10 And how did you guys all get together?

Brandon Coleman 3:13 Um, I met Drew, um, through the- a mutual friend. Uh, we were working out in the gym together. I was in high school. And Drew, um, this guy was like, "Hey, man, I'm, I got a buddy. He's kinda, he's kinda down on his luck. He's, like, squatting in my dorm and, uh, I wanna give him something to do." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:31 (laughs)

Andy Bishop 3:31 Aw.

Brandon Coleman 3:31 I wanna give him something to do. So, uh...

Andy Bishop 3:33 I didn't think I was down on that, down on my luck that bad.

Joe Rogan 3:36 Nobody ever does, man. Nobody ever does.

Andy Bishop 3:38 Dang, dude.

Brandon Coleman 3:38 I'm just repeating what I heard.

Andy Bishop 3:40 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 3:40 And, uh, yeah, so Drew had never done anything like that. He had never booked or wasn't, he was trying to be a middle school teacher/football coach. That's what he was going to college for.

Joe Rogan 3:50 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 3:50 And, um ...

Andy Bishop 3:51 Why middle school? Uh, high school, college. That's what, that was the goal.

Brandon Coleman 3:54 I know, but ...

Joe Rogan 3:56 Realistically. (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 3:57 Never had any... (laughs)

Andy Bishop 3:58 That's just where I was gonna land, 10-4. (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 4:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:02 (laughs)

Andy Bishop 4:02 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 4:04 Never done anything in the business though and he just, like, "I'm..." What did you say? He's like, "I'm gonna, I'm gonna do everything I can to help you make it." And, uh, I was like 18 and he was like 22, 23. And he had us playing in every single bar on the Gulf Coast and, uh, we didn't know anything about the business either. So, the, the manager booking agent fee is, you know, 15%. We didn't know about that so we cut him in evenly.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Oh, boy.

Brandon Coleman 4:27 Yeah. And, uh, so he'd show up and drink beer at our shows and he'd al- he'd always be at our practices and he was fully committed. And so, he got an even cut and then he, he ended up turning his life around and he was able to scoot around and buy burgers.

Joe Rogan 4:40 Damn.

Brandon Coleman 4:40 And not be down on your luck anymore.

Andy Bishop 4:43 Hallelujah.

Brandon Coleman 4:43 I think that's impressive. Never done anything like that and you stepped up and became a legitimate booking agent and a legitimate manager.

Andy Bishop 4:50 Yeah, I mean, I just saw something on you that was incredible. And I was like, "All right. Well, what do I need to do to get this guy in front of people?" And I just, I would sit and, like, I worked for the equipment staff at South Alabama and I would sit in the equipment room between washing jockstraps and, like, you know, setting up cone drills or whatever and just, like, put Post-It Notes up on the wall and just write numbers down and just call these people until, like, somebody picked up. (laughs) Or, like, "Hey," like, "What's the email for booking?" or whatever. And I'd just book as much as I could and ...

Joe Rogan 5:28 So, it was basically just learning on the job, trying to figure it out as you go ...

Andy Bishop 5:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:32 No experience in it whatsoever.

Andy Bishop 5:34 No.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Wow. That's a cool story.

Brandon Coleman 5:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:38 And it was all just based on your talent?

Andy Bishop 5:40 No, I mean, it, I was ...

Joe Rogan 5:41 But it was, what you saw, right? It was ...

Brandon Coleman 5:44 Yeah, that night, that night you met, the night, uh, the night we met, the night I met you, yeah.

Andy Bishop 5:49 Yeah. I mean, like, the first time I heard you on a cellphone recording, I was like, "Eh." (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 5:55 (laughs)

Drew Nix 5:55 "He's okay."

Andy Bishop 5:57 And then I heard him in person and I was like, "Oh my God! All right, what (laughs) , what, okay, what needs to happen here?" And yeah, I had no idea. I was, I was just fully winging it, you know?

Joe Rogan 6:08 Wow.Those are the best stories, though.

Brandon Coleman 6:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:13 You know? The best stories are not started in some fucking boardroom somewhere, where a bunch of guys sit down with head shots, and demos, and try to put people together. The best stories happen just kind of like, "What?" (laughs) "What were you doing?"

Brandon Coleman 6:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:28 Post-It notes? You just called people? Like, those are the best stories, yeah.

Brandon Coleman 6:31 We didn't even know how to set up music equipment. Like, we would have our, our main setup behind us, and so the microphones would be feeding back into the mains. We didn't know what we were doing.

Joe Rogan 6:41 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 6:41 We just knew we wanted to play music. So we'd show up to these bars, and most of the time run people out and clear the room out because we were ... didn't know how to play music that well either.

Joe Rogan 6:50 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 6:52 We just guitar amps turned up, and we would show up and just ruin people's evening, and clear out a bar. They're trying to watch a football game, and we show up playing Allman Brothers, and just th- our guitar players just always cranked their amps. We did have a, an old man drummer, though. That was the only thing about that band, before Red Clay Strays. Um, so that was ... You didn't have to worry about the drums being too loud, I guess, 'cause he was just doing his thing. He ended up quitting, um, when we started traveling more,

Brandon Coleman 7:23 and, uh, that's when we started holding auditions. And we were gonna audition this one guy, and he flaked, uh, he couldn't make the audition. We rescheduled him, and he couldn't make the audition again, and then we were like ... How did we get in touch with John? What, when did we audition him?

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 7:39 Uh, there's a, um, Ethan, uh, who was in Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet.

Brandon Coleman 7:45 Yeah.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 7:46 Uh, I reached out to him. I was like, "Man, I, I know you play drums." That, that was the best band in town at the time. I was like, "I know you play drums. You probably know a good bit of drummers. Like, you know anybody who could use some work?" And, uh, he, uh ... John was playing in a band called Ryan Dyer Band back home, and he said, uh, "John just, they just separated from that band, so, uh, John's available. You should get him for a tryout." And I was like, "Hey, dude, you want to come play with us or whatever?" And he showed up blaring Skynyrd in a ... with him and his brother (laughs) in like an SUV or something.

Joe Rogan 8:25 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 8:26 Yeah, we had-

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 8:26 We were like, "This is going to work."

Brandon Coleman 8:28 We had the auditions in, uh, Citronelle, Alabama, which is like up in the sticks, and he didn't have a phone.

Joe Rogan 8:34 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 8:35 Um, so he's like, "Meet me at the Hardee's at like, you know, 6:30," or whatever time it was, 'cause he di- we couldn't call him once he left his house. (laughs) And, uh, so Andrew left ... You were driving the Firebird at the time.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 8:45 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 8:45 He left it in the Firebird and, and met him and brought him back, and we auditioned him then. And the audition went great. He showed up with his, with his brother, who, uh, played piano. And, um, his brother wasn't trying to join the band, but his brother just played with us. And, uh, just the first song we played, we, we tried him out with a, an original that we were working on, which was a terrible song also, but, um ...

Joe Rogan 9:10 (laughs)

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 9:11 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 9:11 Andrew and John locked in immediately and just, they hit the, all the pauses together, and I just remember still being blown away by that, just how quickly y'all locked in. And, um, and it still shows today on stage, their, their chemistry. They're just, they've got some kind of telekinetic thing going on, I think, 'cause they-

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 9:30 I think the big thing was coming from that old man drummer.

Brandon Coleman 9:33 (laughs)

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 9:33 And then that's the first time I've ever played with like a, a real drummer besides my own dad.

Brandon Coleman 9:39 His name was Ray.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 9:40 And me and John, I mean, we can, we s- it's really weird how, when we first started, like, we can, we know a l- a lot when we played in those bars, it was improvised. You know, we're playing covers. We're not even playing them the right way. And we can hit those pauses without even looking at each other.

Joe Rogan 9:54 Mm-hmm.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 9:55 Like, we just know what each other's gonna do. So as a bass player, your drummer's your best friend. Even though we were ... me and John probably butt heads more than anybody in the band, but-

Brandon Coleman 10:03 (laughs)

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:03 ... that's the relationship.

Joe Rogan 10:04 That is a big part of the problem with a band, is that you guys just get on each other's nerves, right?

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:09 Uh, I mean, just like any other-

Joe Rogan 10:11 Yeah.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:11 I mean, we're just like brothers. Like-

Joe Rogan 10:12 'Cause well, it's a group of guys, and you're traveling-

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:15 ... all year round.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:16 You'll get pissed off at each other, for sure. If, if a band says they're not, they don't get pissed off, they're lying, or they just don't like each other for real.

Joe Rogan 10:22 (laughs)

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:22 But you just, we just l- something we actually learned as men were, was how to talk about your feelings with each other too. 'Cause in the early stages it was ... You know, I had anger issues. I'd just get pissed off real quick.

Joe Rogan 10:34 Was it about the mustache?

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:35 No, I didn't have the mustache yet.

Joe Rogan 10:37 (laughs)

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:37 Maybe that's what it was. I was immature.

Joe Rogan 10:40 (laughs)

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:41 I was in ... Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 10:41 You had long hair.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:44 These are just guys who had to learn how to communicate and set boundaries.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:47 And be cool with each other.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:48 I didn't talk about my feelings growing up as a kid.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Oh.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:50 Supposedly, that's not healthy.

Joe Rogan 10:52 No, that's not good.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:53 (laughs) But, uh, John, you know, he would show up hammered to the bus, and-

Joe Rogan 10:57 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 10:57 (laughs)

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 10:58 ... I would, I just had to learn to, to just bite my tongue. Like, you're not gonna change somebody's mind. Just let them go and talk about it tomorrow. But we all had things we worked on together, stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Well, it's ... The final product's amazing, and the new album is really fucking good. It's coming out in June of next year? Is that-

Brandon Coleman 11:18 I don't-

Joe Rogan 11:18 ... when it's supposed to come out?

Brandon Coleman 11:19 We're shooting for summer of next year. We don't really know yet. Um, 'cause we're still-

Joe Rogan 11:23 The press thing that I got said June of next year. I'm like, "This should go out now." (laughs)

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 11:28 You're probably the only one that's supposed to know that.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Oh, really?

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 11:30 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 11:31 Well, everybody knows now.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 11:32 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 11:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:33 But-

Brandon Coleman 11:33 But w- I mean, we're still working on mixes. Hopefully, hopefully June is, is gonna be the ticket. We'll see.

Joe Rogan 11:38 Well, it's really good. And the final product, well, you guys are very unique. You have a very unique sound, and it's very fun.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 11:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:45 So it's ... You know, I know it's gotta be a lot of work. Whenever I do shows, and I show up at a place, and you know, like if I do an arena, it's just me and my friends. We just have to roll in there and, "Hi."

Brandon Coleman 11:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:56 And I see you guys. You got fucking trucks-

Brandon Coleman 11:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:59 ... and this and that, and there's so many fucking people involved, and it's-

Brandon Coleman 12:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:05 Whoo.

Band member / associate (likely touring or former member mentioned, e.g., Ethan from Paw Paw's Medicine Cabinet) 12:06 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 12:06 You just-

Joe Rogan 12:07 It's a lot. There's a lot of moving pieces to keep together. So for you guys to consistently do it and to bang out amazing music over and over and over again, it's, it says something.

Brandon Coleman 12:18 Yeah, man, and it ... We just had to grow together. I mean, even at that rehearsal, we were like, "We got one more rehearsal. We got one more tryout with the guy who flaked out on us, and-

Joe Rogan 12:29 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 12:29 ... John was like, "Who is it?" And I was like, "Uh, tr- Travis Patch," and he was like, "Oh, you're gonna hire Travis Patch."

Joe Rogan 12:35 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 12:35 But I think Travis Patch, he couldn't make the next tryout too or something. And then so-

Joe Rogan 12:39 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 12:40 ... like ... And then that band played for a couple more months and broke up, and then we hired Zach, and just tried out Zach immediately. He just came in shredding and, um, he was just always a great guitar player. And then that's when we became Red Clay Strays.

Joe Rogan 12:55 Who came up with the name?

Drew Nix 12:57 My brother.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Oh, really?

Drew Nix 12:58 Yeah, of all of... It's not an interesting story at all.

Joe Rogan 13:00 No?

Drew Nix 13:00 We get asked all the time. No, we were at a, just in that first stage of... Like, coming up with a band name is the hardest thing in the world. And we had nothing really we, that we liked. We had the- the Dirt, the Dirt Leg Trio.

Brandon Coleman 13:12 Mm-hmm.

Drew Nix 13:13 Brandon Lane and the Hurricane.

Brandon Coleman 13:15 Yeah. That's my middle name, Brandon Lane. And then-

Drew Nix 13:18 And then he shot that over.

Brandon Coleman 13:20 Yeah. And I didn't like Red Clay Strays y- ... I don't think any of us did.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Brandon Lane and the Hurricane sounds good too.

Brandon Coleman 13:26 Yeah.

Drew Nix 13:26 Yeah. We're only on-

Joe Rogan 13:26 I might have voted-

Drew Nix 13:27 ... gold coasts.

Brandon Coleman 13:28 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 13:30 (laughs)

Drew Nix 13:30 When Drew came up with that one.

Brandon Coleman 13:31 I like that. But Red Clay Strays is great too.

Drew Nix 13:35 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 13:35 That was...

Drew Nix 13:36 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 13:36 Yeah, that's good. You have two great ones to choose from. Uh, if I need to start another band, I- I have it in the chamber. (laughs)

Drew Nix 13:42 Wow.

Brandon Coleman 13:43 Talk about that another time.

Drew Nix 13:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:44 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 13:45 I'm just kidding.

Joe Rogan 13:46 God, hopefully not.

Drew Nix 13:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:47 It seems like once you got it all together and it's working, like don't fuck that up.

Brandon Coleman 13:51 Yeah, man. I don't, I don't, I don't understand why bands break up. I don't get it.

Joe Rogan 13:56 I don't know how they can stay together.

Drew Nix 13:58 Really? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:59 Yeah, I just can't imagine.

Brandon Coleman 14:01 I've had so many... Why do you say that?

Joe Rogan 14:03 Well, because of the internal conflicts, because of the traveling, because of the stress, you know?

Brandon Coleman 14:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:10 It just, it just seems like it's very difficult. It's very difficult to manage all these different personalities and to, to keep everything rolling and keep all the- the people happy and make sure that everybody feels appreciated and everybody feels like they're doing their part.

Brandon Coleman 14:24 Yeah. I think you gotta have your, your mindset correct, man. Um, and, uh, for us it's a God thing. If you are just chasing worldly things, I guess, and worried about me and how I'm getting done wrong or how, you know, he's getting on my nerves, and that's what dictates your decisions, I can see, you know, you're gonna walk away from that, 'cause people suck and people are always gonna fail you at the end of the day. But when you turn it into a, "I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this to fulfill my calling that God's giving me," um, and then it becomes a selfless thing. You know? "He who is greatest among you, let him be your servant," is what I, is just always pops in my head. So it's like, if I want to make this thing work, how can I serve these guys? How, you know? When we'd have to share a hotel room, we would all, all five of us be like, "I'll sleep on the floor." "No, no, you're good, you take the bed." "I'll sleep on the floor." We'd have to fight over who gets the floor, you know what I mean? And then once it becomes a selfless thing instead of a selfish thing, you're not... I don't know, and when everybody shares that mindset, we're all worried about one another, I don't, I don't really see how you could break up.

Joe Rogan 15:32 Well, that's very unusual. And that sounds fantastic 'cause that's kind of the opposite of most rock and roll bands. Like, most rock and roll bands, it is all about, you know, the lead singer or the lead guitarist and who's the most famous, who gets the most chicks and who gets the most attention.

Brandon Coleman 15:47 Yeah, we don't care about any of that.

Joe Rogan 15:48 So where did that, this mindset start with you? How did you guys develop this mindset?

Brandon Coleman 15:55 Uh ...

Joe Rogan 15:56 Is that how you grew up?

Brandon Coleman 15:57 I- I grew up, um, that way, yeah. My, my mother used to read us the Bible as, as children and stuff, so we always grew up knowing about Jesus and everything. And then, so that's pretty much what led me to make the leap, I guess. You know what I mean? We ... I never had parents that were pushing me to go to college or pushing me to do something. They were just like, "Have a relationship with God." That's really the only thing that I got pushed by my parents. And so, um, I've always been blessed or cursed with kind of looking at all this as temporary, you know? "What's the point in it," kind of thing. You can't take any of it with you and there's nothing new under, under the sun. It's all chasing wind. What's the point in all this? And so that, really getting into, well, a creator created you, he created all of this and he put you here for a reason. Well, if that's the case, what's the reason? Okay, if this is the reason, then, um, I'm, here I go, God, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna make the leap and I don't know what, how it's gonna work out, but I'm just gonna trust you, work hard and trust you. And, uh, and that's really all we've done. You know? There's no plan to it. Every... We get asked quite often, "How do you make it?" And, um, I just work hard and trust God. That's, that's all, that's the only thing that I can ever think to answer with, because the shows we've played and the doors we've walked through led to new opportunities, you know, many days, many months, many years down the road that we could have never planned. And we've just been, just ... And then you can look back and acknowledge the, the stone, the stepping stones that he was placing the whole time. And, uh, even if it doesn't make sense in the moment, you know, just being able to go back and look at like, "Wow, I see, I see why that happened now. I see why we went through that. I see ..." That's, that's just crazy to, crazy to go back and look at. God's-

Joe Rogan 17:48 But that's very wise-

Brandon Coleman 17:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:50 ... for a young person to think that way. Like, how old are you, how old are you now?

Brandon Coleman 17:55 29.

Joe Rogan 17:56 Yeah, you're very young. And when you started, that's even younger, that like, to be able to think that way at an early age, there's nothing new under the sun, like, "What's my purpose? My purpose is to serve. My purpose is to do something with this gift that I've been given and to follow this path." That's, that's very unusual.

Brandon Coleman 18:15 I, I ... Cool. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:18 (laughs)

Drew Nix 18:18 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 18:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:18 I mean, it's great.

Brandon Coleman 18:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:19 It's great. It's a great example for people.

Brandon Coleman 18:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Because it is a mindset, and that mindset will serve you so much better than the other mindset.

Brandon Coleman 18:26 Yeah, man.

Drew Nix 18:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:26 The other mindset of chasing things is how you lead to Elvis on pills.

Brandon Coleman 18:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:30 You know? He was my favorite Elvis.

Brandon Coleman 18:32 Yeah, dude.

Drew Nix 18:33 That was the fun Elvis.

Joe Rogan 18:34 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 18:34 '70s Elvis, karate?

Joe Rogan 18:36 Yeah. Uh, I love the fake karate.

Brandon Coleman 18:38 (laughs)

Drew Nix 18:38 Fake Elvis.

Brandon Coleman 18:39 Was there-

Joe Rogan 18:39 And all the people who play along with it.

Brandon Coleman 18:41 Would you have wanted to spar with Elvis?

Joe Rogan 18:42 No.

Brandon Coleman 18:43 Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 18:43 I would've been nice to him.I, well, you had to lose.

Brandon Coleman 18:46 Yeah, he would've made sure-

Joe Rogan 18:47 To spar with Elvis, you had to lose.

Narrator 18:49 (laughs)

Drew Nix 18:49 I wanna see Elvis or Steven Seagal do some sparring.

Narrator 18:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:52 Ah. Well, Steven Seagal's legit at Aikido.

Brandon Coleman 18:56 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 18:56 Yeah. I mean, he was, like, the first American to h- to run a dojo in Japan.

Brandon Coleman 19:00 Hm.

Drew Nix 19:00 Dang.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Yeah, he was a legit at... He was a leg- legit Aikido practitioner. Now, the benefits and the practicality of Aikido are hotly debated. It's not really a great martial art, as a standalone martial art. It's really for samurais to fight against someone who has a sword. So, if you lose your sword in combat, you have to understand how to transfer the momentum of energy that someone's co... Attacking you with a sword, you have to be an expert at manipulating their attack and using it against them. But as a standalone martial art, it's not very effective.

Drew Nix 19:33 See, I thought he had some of his videos where he was like... He'd just touch somebody and they would fly across the room.

Joe Rogan 19:37 Not really. He had videos where guys... It was demonstrations, so guys would run at him with a very specific thing and he would flip them.

Drew Nix 19:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:45 Um, but he could fuck you up, you know, if you didn't know what you were doing. But the problem is, if you knew what you were doing, you'd fuck him up.

Drew Nix 19:52 Yeah.

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Drew Nix 21:12 And now, the Dagestanis are taking over.

Joe Rogan 21:14 Yeah, well that's... Grappling's been around forever with wrestling.

Drew Nix 21:18 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 21:18 But what Elvis was doing was Kenpo, Kenpo karate, with Ed Parker. And it's pretty clear that he took, like, a f- some classes, you know? Like, he'd throw his kicks in the air and stuff, but it wasn't very good.

Brandon Coleman 21:32 He wasn't a blackbelt.

Joe Rogan 21:33 Eh.

Drew Nix 21:34 Did he have a blackbelt?

Joe Rogan 21:36 Yeah.

Drew Nix 21:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:36 He had, like, a seventh degree or some crazy shit.

Narrator 21:38 (laughs)

Drew Nix 21:38 He had the Elvis blackbelt.

Joe Rogan 21:40 Yes, sir.

Brandon Coleman 21:40 See, I, I did, uh, martial arts, uh, in middle school. I did Shotokan karate, and I loved it, and it... A part of me wants to get back into it, but there's the whole Elvis thing.

Drew Nix 21:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:51 (laughs)

Drew Nix 21:52 He'd never be able to live it down.

Joe Rogan 21:52 Yeah, this is Elvis.

Brandon Coleman 21:53 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 21:54 But by the way, back then, nobody knew what was legit and what was not legit. Like, these thrusts, like this... They're pretending they can hit him and he doesn't feel it. One of the... My fl- this is so crazy.

Drew Nix 22:06 Whoa. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:06 Like, all this, this is just fucking nonsense.

Drew Nix 22:08 This is, this is gonna be branded on Halloween party.

Joe Rogan 22:09 This is fucking nonsense. (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 22:11 Yeah. Hey dude, he was on top of the world.

Joe Rogan 22:15 He was. Not only was he on top of the world, he was the first guy on top of the world. That's really the important point-

Brandon Coleman 22:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:21 ... is that he went crazy, for sure, but everybody goes crazy when you get that famous, and no one had ever been that famous before.

Brandon Coleman 22:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:28 There was no guidebook for him to follow. There was no Michael Jackson before him, there was no Prince, there was no nobody. So, it's just... Nobody can handle that kind of fame, especially in the, you know, 1970s. Like, nobody could.

Brandon Coleman 22:42 Well, he-

Joe Rogan 22:43 What was going on?

Brandon Coleman 22:44 ... he blew up at 19, I think.

Joe Rogan 22:46 Yeah. No way you're gonna be normal.

Brandon Coleman 22:48 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 22:49 Good luck. And then you got a, an evil manager that's feeding you pills and-

Brandon Coleman 22:53 Hm.

Joe Rogan 22:53 ... and you're all fucked up, and-

Brandon Coleman 22:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:55 ... you're stuck in Vegas, and he's gambling everything away.

Brandon Coleman 22:58 That's- yep. That's gonna be my manager.

Joe Rogan 23:00 (laughs)

Drew Nix 23:00 Dang.

Brandon Coleman 23:01 Now, we've-

Joe Rogan 23:02 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 23:02 ... we, we pick on Cody who just met him back there. It's like, you're just gonna end up being colonel, bro. One day.

Drew Nix 23:07 The snowman.

Brandon Coleman 23:09 No, we hold each other accountable.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Well, that's good, 'cause at least now, uh, for famous people, there's a roadmap.

Brandon Coleman 23:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:15 And you can kind of see where the pitfalls are. You can see, "Oh, that's Britney Spears' road. Don't go down there."

Drew Nix 23:20 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:20 You know what I mean? Like, you can see all the, the things that people have-

Drew Nix 23:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:25 (laughs) You know what I'm saying?

Brandon Coleman 23:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:26 Like, you've seen all the different ways that you can ruin your life-

Brandon Coleman 23:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:31 ... and get caught up in the moment. And, and then also, the fact that you're very religious helps a lot because you don't believe the hype, right?

Brandon Coleman 23:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:42 Like, you believe in higher power. You believe in something that's bigger and greater than all of us. If you be- believe in that, you, you will not get caught in this bizarre mindset that befalls many, many stars-

Brandon Coleman 23:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:54 ... where they think they're superior to everyone else, because they get treated that way. That's the reinforcement they get.

Brandon Coleman 23:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:59 Everywhere they go, people are cheering when they see them, people want them to sign things and take selfies with them, everybody wants a hug and everybody wants to be your best friend. And you really start to believe because of the, the information that you're getting. The information you're getting is, "I'm better than everybody else." Right? And if you don't have a lot of personal insight, and if you're not very objective and introspective, you will buy into that and you'll start behaving and believing like that, and then comes the pills.

Brandon Coleman 24:25 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 24:26 (snaps fingers)

Drew Nix 24:26 I think that's-

Brandon Coleman 24:26 Pick yourself back up.

Joe Rogan 24:27 (laughs)

Drew Nix 24:28 I, I think that's where we benefit from, like, a solo act, is that we have five, we have five individuals that are gonna check each other.

Joe Rogan 24:34 Mm-hmm.

Drew Nix 24:34 We always say the pack will correct.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Yes.

Drew Nix 24:37 So, if somebody acting out, you know, we might let you go for a couple days, but then you're gonna wake up and we have a come to Jesus meeting.

Joe Rogan 24:44 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Drew Nix 24:44 We've done that a- uh, all of us have had that at some point-

Brandon Coleman 24:47 Yeah.

Drew Nix 24:47 ... in our careers together.

Joe Rogan 24:48 That's great.

Brandon Coleman 24:49 And we-

Joe Rogan 24:50 That will- that's very good.

Brandon Coleman 24:51 ... we always, too, um...... just think about wh- what you were talking about, uh, we're, we're, we think we suck.

Joe Rogan 24:58 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 24:58 So ...

Joe Rogan 24:59 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 24:59 Like, the, the feeding into the, "I'm better than everybody. Oh, I'm famous," it's like, well, it's just probably downhill from here, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:06 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 25:06 People, there's, they find new hobbies and new things to like, especially now faster than ever. People's attention spans are so short nowadays, it's like-

Joe Rogan 25:13 Oh, yeah. They forget about you quick.

Brandon Coleman 25:14 We're on top right now, yeah, but they'll, they'll forget about us, that's-

Joe Rogan 25:18 I think you're much better off being heavily critical of yourself.

Brandon Coleman 25:22 Yeah.

Andy Bishop 25:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 25:23 I think so too.

Andy Bishop 25:23 I 100% agree.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Yeah.

Andy Bishop 25:24 Like, I don't never want to be content with anything I'm doing. Like, I, I always will have notes for myself. Like, even after we have, like, a solid show or something, I'm like, "Well, I just missed, like, 10 notes and it felt like Guitar Hero in my head." You know, when you're (mimicking instruments)

Joe Rogan 25:41 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 25:42 (laughs)

Andy Bishop 25:42 And they start booing you? That's what happens in my head. Just like, "Get it together, man," you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:48 It's better that way.

Brandon Coleman 25:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:49 I mean, that's going to force you to constantly work at it and constantly try to get better. The people that believe that they're the best already, you know, where are you going to go from there? It's-

Andy Bishop 25:58 That's exactly how we think.

Brandon Coleman 25:59 Yeah. There was-

Joe Rogan 26:00 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 26:01 There was ... We get asked a lot at VIP, "What was the moment you knew you made it?" And I'm just like, "I don't, I don't want to make it."

Joe Rogan 26:07 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 26:07 What's after making it, you know?

Joe Rogan 26:09 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 26:09 I don't want to just be there and make it.

Joe Rogan 26:11 Making it to me is, like, the film where the people hold hands and walk off into the sunset.

Brandon Coleman 26:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:17 Well, that's a crock of shit.

Brandon Coleman 26:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:19 Then-

Brandon Coleman 26:19 I don't want that.

Joe Rogan 26:19 ... you got to wake up in the morning, "Okay, what do you want for breakfast?"

Brandon Coleman 26:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 You know? It's like, life goes on and this idea that there's going to be a goal where you're going to get to a spot someday where you could rest, that's nonsense.

Brandon Coleman 26:30 That's when you die.

Joe Rogan 26:30 Yeah.

Andy Bishop 26:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:31 Take a day off every now and then.

Andy Bishop 26:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Nothing wrong with that. But this idea that you're going to get to a place where, "Well, I made it, it's over. I'm set-"

Brandon Coleman 26:39 You did it.

Joe Rogan 26:39 "... for life." Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 26:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:40 "I did it."

Brandon Coleman 26:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:41 That's all bullshit.

Brandon Coleman 26:41 Yep.

Joe Rogan 26:43 And if you get really, really rich, you want to get really, really, really, really rich. It never ends.

Brandon Coleman 26:47 Really?

Joe Rogan 26:48 I- if you, if you think like that, yeah, if that's the thought process of you're just chasing after goals and looking for this one moment where you can say, "Okay, we did it," it's never happening.

Brandon Coleman 26:58 Yeah, I kind of, uh, I s- I say that to people too. Um, just from the outside looking in, you think, like, if you've never done it before, "Man, it'd be cool to get a song in a show. It'd be cool to get a platinum single. It'd be cool to-"

Andy Bishop 27:09 Mm-hmm.

Brandon Coleman 27:10 "... sell out Red Rocks." And once you do it-

Joe Rogan 27:12 'Cause you-

Andy Bishop 27:12 Mm-hmm.

Brandon Coleman 27:12 It's like, "Okay, we did it. Nothing changed." It's like y- when your birthday comes, do you feel older? Do you feel older? No, I feel the same with ... It's-

Joe Rogan 27:19 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 27:19 It's here, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:20 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 27:21 So, I mean-

Joe Rogan 27:22 It's good to have goals.

Andy Bishop 27:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:23 It's good to have milestones.

Brandon Coleman 27:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:26 But at the end of the day, I guess the process and the, the thing that you were talking about, like, honoring this gift that you have, that's what it's all about. That's what it's all about. And then recognizing that you're in this very unique position and you, you're very fortunate. And so because of that, you owe it to this gift that you've been given and you owe it to the people that love you, the people that come to see you, to keep doing your best.

Brandon Coleman 27:50 Well, we do stray, to play on our name a little bit, I think we, we do stray a little bit from the industry. Um, 'cause our fan base is a lot of sad people, a lot of depressed people, a lot of people who, you know, are suicidal. Um, so, and we make music for that fan base, I guess. And you're not going to hear that at, like, a country music festival on the beach.

Joe Rogan 28:17 How do you know that about your fans?

Brandon Coleman 28:20 We get messages every day.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Oh, yeah.

Andy Bishop 28:22 Tons.

Brandon Coleman 28:23 We, um ... And sometimes they email, email our agents and stuff. We had one lady who sent us an email saying, uh, she decided to off herself, take a lot of pills, and she wanted to go to sleep listening to music. Well, um, as she was laying there waiting to take the big nap, um, she ... Our, our song I'm Still Fine came on and it kind of, you know, s- snapped her out of it a little bit. And she started crying and immediately regretted it, and got up and called her sister and told her sister what she had just did. And they rushed her to the hospital and did whatever at the hospital for someone who takes a lot of pills at once, and saved her life pretty much. And, uh, she's-

Joe Rogan 29:08 Wow.

Brandon Coleman 29:09 Yeah, it was so moving. And, um, that's what really makes it worth it for us, 'cause touring is a lot. Touring sucks a lot of the times. And if we were just doing it to be popular or to be famous or to be relevant, make money, I'd ... I don't think it-

Joe Rogan 29:25 (clears throat)

Brandon Coleman 29:25 That's enough to keep me going, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 29:27 Hmm.

Brandon Coleman 29:27 ... being on the road is very hard.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 29:29 What, what keeps us going is those stories and seeing how our music at our ... at the concerts, seeing how our music affects people, uh, and helps them in a positive way. And so, I don't know, that's, that's just where we get our fulfillment from.

Joe Rogan 29:42 What do you think is about your music that appeals to people that aren't feeling good?

Brandon Coleman 29:48 A lot of it came from us not feeling good. Uh, Drew and my brother Matthew are the main writers for the band. And, um, uh, you know, they just ... Our song Drowning, Drew wrote that during COVID when we were driving for Uber trying to keep the bills paid. We were ... My goal was to make 100 bucks a day for Uber. And, uh, driving for Uber in Mobile, Alabama sucks. Uh, I'd have to do, like, 12, 14 hours a day to get that. And then most-

Joe Rogan 30:16 To get 100 bucks?

Brandon Coleman 30:17 Yeah. And then most of the time spent-

Joe Rogan 30:18 So that was just five years ago?

Brandon Coleman 30:20 Yeah.

Andy Bishop 30:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:21 Wow.

Brandon Coleman 30:21 Yeah. And we were locally famous at the time, so I was picking up people and they went, "Oh my God, Reclay Strays."

Joe Rogan 30:26 (laughs)

Andy Bishop 30:26 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 30:26 "Yeah, man, get, get in."

Andy Bishop 30:28 "Hop in." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:29 Really?

Andy Bishop 30:29 I don't want to talk about it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:30 (laughs)

Andy Bishop 30:33 Make sure to leave a tip.

Brandon Coleman 30:34 That's-

Andy Bishop 30:34 Dude.

Brandon Coleman 30:34 That's crazy. I, I picked up, like ... And I, I was driving a Hyundai Sonata, and I had to ... I picked up, like, five Black dudes, they wanted to get in the Hyundai Sonata to go to the stripper club.

Andy Bishop 30:46 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 30:46 And I was like, "Y'all can't ... Like, all five of y'all can't fit in here. I can only take, like, four at the most." So they had to leave one behind. (laughs) And I had to take them, like, 30 minutes across town. That's what Mobile is, everything is, like, a 30-minute drive. And so I took them 30 minutes across town to the stripper club. There's some very interesting...... people at nighttime who get Ubers, just so you know.

Narrator 31:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:06 I'm sure.

Brandon Coleman 31:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:07 And they probably wanna talk to you.

Brandon Coleman 31:08 Sometimes. The worst was people with bad BO.

Joe Rogan 31:12 Oh.

Narrator 31:13 Mm.

Drew Nix 31:13 Get in your car with bad BO?

Brandon Coleman 31:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:15 And then leave it-

Brandon Coleman 31:15 I'm like a, a-

Joe Rogan 31:16 ... and leave that smell in your car?

Narrator 31:18 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 31:18 I'm like a germ freak, so-

Joe Rogan 31:20 Are you really?

Brandon Coleman 31:20 Sometimes, yeah. And especially with smells. I's like-

Joe Rogan 31:24 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 31:24 It's like (laughs) , I can't get, like, a, a fresh air. I feel like I'm suffocating. And this frat guy got in my car one time, and he's... He was something. And, um, he was going to Lowe's to get, like, a, something for a beer pong table. He was getting ready to have a frat party, and I had to drive him to Lowe's, and he had... He smelled like he had never taken a shower, and so I was just trying not to freak out. I was just like, leaning my...

Joe Rogan 31:45 Damn, it was that bad?

Narrator 31:46 Damn.

Brandon Coleman 31:47 Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And, um, I was sweating by the time he got out of the car.

Joe Rogan 31:51 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 31:52 Yeah. (laughs)

Drew Nix 31:54 Dry heaving up front.

Narrator 31:56 Driving 100 miles an hour to get him out the car.

Brandon Coleman 31:58 I'd pick some people up... Oh, people just put too much faith in Uber drivers. I'd pick up people from the hospital.

Drew Nix 32:05 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 32:06 I, I picked up a blind lady from the hospital. That's what they do if they don't have any family. They'll call 'em. Uh, they'll get 'em an Uber, and I, I had to help this blind lady get into her house. I picked up this one guy fresh out of surgery. He couldn't walk. I had to get him in my car, and they got him a hotel, I guess, so I had to take him to the hotel, and I had to carry him out of my car and get him in his bed. And I was just thinking, "What if this wasn't me?"

Joe Rogan 32:30 Right.

Brandon Coleman 32:30 (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 32:31 What if it was a 80-pound lady? Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 32:33 Yeah. Or just somebody who didn't even care. "Get out of my car," you know?

Narrator 32:37 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 32:37 It's just, that's just, that kind of blew my mind a little bit how much faith hospitals put in Uber drivers. It's very sad.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Well, one thing I found out during COVID that, it sounds so stupid that I didn't know this, but hospitals are private businesses.

Drew Nix 32:49 Mm-hmm.

Brandon Coleman 32:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:51 I used to... This is how naive I was. I was like, "Well, doctors, they go to universities, they do it so that they can become the best doctor they can, and then they work for these hospitals that are set up so that all the people in the city have medical care, and this is, like, part of the city services." I, I really believed that.

Narrator 33:10 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 33:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:10 I really thought that. And then I have some friends that are doctors, and they would tell me, "No, no, no, not only that, you're incentivized. You're incentivized to push certain medications, you're incentivized to do surgeries that maybe people don't need, and you have to challenge your own ethics, because you, you'll be talked into doing surgeries that this guy, you kinda could justify, but really he shouldn't get it." I'm like, "Oh, fuck, man. Really?" And then, you know, I've had friends that left and started their own practices because of this, 'cause they tell you. Like, you just, at the end of the day, you're like, "Why did I go to school?" Like, I thought I was going to school because I wanted to learn medicine because I thought that would be a really fascinating way to make a living and very rewarding. You're helping people that are injured, that are sick. And then he got just enlightened to, like, what the business really is, so it's just about numbers.

Brandon Coleman 34:04 Yeah.

Narrator 34:04 Mm-hmm.

Brandon Coleman 34:04 And-

Joe Rogan 34:05 He got sick.

Brandon Coleman 34:05 ... Instagram reels will scare you, too, with all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Oh, dude, I went down, down a rabbit hole last night. (sighs) Just sitting in my bed. I shouldn't have done this.

Narrator 34:14 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 34:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:15 It was, like, nine o'clock. There's no reason for me to look at dick lengthening videos.

Drew Nix 34:20 (laughs)

Narrator 34:21 What?

Joe Rogan 34:21 It just popped up on Instagram, you know, in, like, the For You section.

Brandon Coleman 34:26 Yeah, dude. (laughs)

Drew Nix 34:27 Stay away from that For You section. (laughs)

Narrator 34:28 What's up?

Joe Rogan 34:28 I didn't ask for it. I don't know what happened.

Drew Nix 34:30 How many videos did you watch after that?

Joe Rogan 34:31 Oh, I watched a lot of them.

Narrator 34:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:33 I watched hours worth of- It's fucking horrific, man. Three-

Drew Nix 34:36 You get three inches of hidden penis. Everybody's done it.

Joe Rogan 34:38 It's not just that, man. It's like they're... These guys are getting these things put in their dicks so that their dicks are thicker.

Narrator 34:46 (laughs)

Drew Nix 34:46 Woo.

Joe Rogan 34:46 Oh my God. See, the thing about YouTube is, YouTube... You wanna see some videos?

Drew Nix 34:51 Yeah. Might as well. We're here.

Narrator 34:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:53 So, you-

Drew Nix 34:53 Learn something.

Joe Rogan 34:54 I'll pull up my history.

Narrator 34:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:55 YouTube can actually... So the thing is, this guy was like, "Go to my YouTube video and you can see the actual surgeries." I'm like, "No fucking way."

Drew Nix 35:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:06 And yeah, fucking way.

Narrator 35:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:09 So YouTube will actually show you the surgery. We can't show any of this on camera, right, Jamie?

Narrator 35:15 I'm not going to.

Drew Nix 35:16 Why not?

Joe Rogan 35:17 Because these dudes are just digging. They're just digging in dicks and, and it's just horrific.

Narrator 35:27 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 35:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:27 All right.

Narrator 35:27 You know what?

Drew Nix 35:28 Once you get on that dark side of, uh, of Instagram, usually it's when Brandon sends me reels.

Joe Rogan 35:33 Mm, man.

Drew Nix 35:33 Brandon always be finding himself on that bad part, and then he sends it to me, and then I'm 30 minutes deep into-

Joe Rogan 35:39 (laughs)

Narrator 35:39 (laughs)

Drew Nix 35:39 ... feeling uncomfortable with my life.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Yo, why isn't it showing up in my...

Narrator 35:42 I don't really wanna fuck up my algorithm by looking for this. (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 35:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:44 All right, we don't have to. You guys can trust me.

Drew Nix 35:46 Have to start searching hard.

Narrator 35:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:48 Um, so th- this-

Narrator 35:49 Get that one?

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Brandon Coleman 37:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:27 ... this guy's got what looks like a, like a flounder filet.

Brandon Coleman 37:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:31 And he's dipping it in this liquid, and I'm like, "What is that?" I'm like, "Is this guy operating on a dick?"

Brandon Coleman 37:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:39 "Is this what's going on here?" So, it's like this plastic sheet, this flexible stuff that looks like, like a filet. And he's, like, dunking it in this, this stuff. I don't know what this liquid is.

Brandon Coleman 37:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:52 It's like there's a dark liquid and a clear liquid, and this guy's explaining he's gonna have so much more confidence. He's gonna have so much more girth and this... And I'm like, "No fucking way."

Brandon Coleman 38:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:02 "You're getting your dick operated on? This is crazy." Like, i- if you have to get your dick operated on, like, "Okay, I gotta do this. I can't believe-"

Brandon Coleman 38:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:10 ... "I gotta do this. I've got a, I've got a dick problem."

Brandon Coleman 38:12 Some people sign up for it.

Joe Rogan 38:12 "I've, I've got a, a dick cancer or something. Like, the dick has to get fixed. I gotta get it fixed." This is just regular dicks that people are like, "I'm not happy with my dick."

Brandon Coleman 38:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:22 "I, I wish my dick was hard all the time."

Brandon Coleman 38:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:25 And so one of the guys, like, his dick was, like, eight inches, flaccid all the time.

Brandon Coleman 38:31 God.

Joe Rogan 38:31 Because he had this fucking tube stuck in there.

Brandon Coleman 38:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:34 This fucking PVC pipe that they-

Brandon Coleman 38:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:37 ... stuffed into his hog. And it's just...

Brandon Coleman 38:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:40 And so, in YouTube, because it's medical, they can show you.

Brandon Coleman 38:43 It's educational.

Joe Rogan 38:43 So the guy just drops his shorts. I'm like, "No, fuck."

Brandon Coleman 38:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:47 And this guy's get this Franken-penis, and with like... B- by the way, he's got the head of a little dick-

Brandon Coleman 38:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:54 ... but the body of a giant dick. So it's like, you know, like they, they took a guy who's, like, got a little tiny body, and they popped his head off and put it on a bodybuilder's body. (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 39:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:04 Jesus Christ.

Drew Nix 39:05 How do you deal with that on a daily basis?

Brandon Coleman 39:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:09 Well, this fellow seems like he was getting a lot of play. Um, he was in the-

Brandon Coleman 39:13 Good for him, dude.

Joe Rogan 39:14 He was in the rainbow community, and, uh-

Brandon Coleman 39:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:16 ... it seemed like he was just slinging that dick all over town.

Brandon Coleman 39:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:20 And, and quite happy that it never got soft.

Brandon Coleman 39:22 Quite literally laying pipe.

Joe Rogan 39:23 Yeah, literally. Literally piping.

Brandon Coleman 39:25 Do you ever-

Joe Rogan 39:26 Oh, Jesus, Jamie.

Drew Nix 39:27 That's a banana. That's a banana.

Brandon Coleman 39:28 Oh, okay.

Drew Nix 39:29 They're showing how they do it with a banana.

Joe Rogan 39:30 Yeah. Well, this... What is this one? This is girth?

Brandon Coleman 39:33 Oh, they squirted some stuff in there.

Drew Nix 39:34 That's very weird.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Oh, this is a fat injection, and this guy was p-... He was dismissing fat injections. Like, "Fat injections are nonsense."

Drew Nix 39:40 Oh. All right.

Joe Rogan 39:41 "You need the plastic."

Brandon Coleman 39:42 I think I would pass out.

Joe Rogan 39:44 (snorts)

Brandon Coleman 39:44 You wouldn't even need to do-

Drew Nix 39:45 You'd probably wouldn't be awake.

Brandon Coleman 39:45 Y- yeah. You wouldn't need anesthesia on me.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 39:47 'Cause I'd just, I'd pass out.

Drew Nix 39:49 There's a lot... Oh, that's actually kinda tall.

Joe Rogan 39:50 And then one guy, they installed... Oh, that's crazy too.

Drew Nix 39:53 Oh, those legs extending?

Joe Rogan 39:53 ... where they, they break their legs.

Drew Nix 39:55 That's some wild stuff.

Joe Rogan 39:55 And they stretch it out.

Brandon Coleman 39:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 39:56 There's a guy that I've been watching. What is it? Brian the Sasquatch? Is that... That's his new Instagram? The guy was already six feet tall, but he wanted to be 6'6", and he's a gigantic dude, like, built like a brick shit house. And he got his legs stretched out, like, a year and a half ago, and he still hasn't recovered.

Brandon Coleman 40:13 Yeah.

Drew Nix 40:13 How far-

Brandon Coleman 40:14 I'm, I'm imagining not.

Joe Rogan 40:15 Well, your, your mechanics are all off.

Brandon Coleman 40:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:17 So if you're an athlete and you're used to having a legs of a six-foot man, and now your legs have grown six inches, like, you're (groans)

Brandon Coleman 40:25 (laughs)

Drew Nix 40:25 Yeah, your arms aren't gonna be proportionate either.

Joe Rogan 40:28 But he had very long arms.

Drew Nix 40:29 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:29 Unusually long arms.

Drew Nix 40:30 So does it look proportionate?

Joe Rogan 40:32 Totally looks normal.

Drew Nix 40:33 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Looks like he's just a giant dude. For him. But for other people, yeah, it looks fucking weird. This is the guy. So this is him trying to jump rope now.

Drew Nix 40:40 Oh, wow.

Brandon Coleman 40:41 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 40:41 It's like he could barely walk.

Brandon Coleman 40:42 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:43 But look at the size of this motherfucker. So he's got kinda, like... This is him now.

Brandon Coleman 40:47 His knees aren't even.

Drew Nix 40:48 That's awkward.

Joe Rogan 40:49 No. He's all messed up.

Brandon Coleman 40:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:50 Like, that's why he's got, like, knee braces on. I'm sure his knees are super confused.

Brandon Coleman 40:54 What-

Joe Rogan 40:54 Look, he could barely walk.

Drew Nix 40:55 Oh.

Brandon Coleman 40:55 What are we doing to ourselves?

Joe Rogan 40:57 (sighs) People are crazy.

Drew Nix 40:57 I mean, do you think eventually you would, you would get the, the strength in the right places to-

Joe Rogan 41:02 Yes, eventually. There's a guy. We looked up this one guy who did it. Remember that one guy who was running those, uh, athletic drills?

Drew Nix 41:09 Yeah, he was sprinting.

Joe Rogan 41:10 He was doing sprinting and plyometrics. Some people have do it, but I don't think he gained six inches. This guy gained, like, half a foot. Look, they're gonna get to the point where, with CRISPR, they're just gonna edit your genes, and there's gonna be no normal looking people anymore.

Brandon Coleman 41:23 Yeah.

Drew Nix 41:23 Like, all the interesting personality quirks that you have to develop because you got a weird chin, like, all that shit's gonna go away.

Joe Rogan 41:31 It's getting weird, man.

Drew Nix 41:32 They're trying to get rid of Down syndrome.

Brandon Coleman 41:34 Yeah.

Drew Nix 41:34 I mean...

Joe Rogan 41:34 Well, probably be a good idea.

Drew Nix 41:36 That wouldn't be terrible.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Listen. I mean, there's nothing wrong-

Brandon Coleman 41:39 I mean, I don't mind it.

Joe Rogan 41:40 With... They're sweet people. You know, my friend, Shane, he's got family members that are Down syndrome, and-

Drew Nix 41:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:45 ... he loves them very dearly. But if you could do that and they would be normal functioning members of society, that would be a better thing. Just better for the world.

Brandon Coleman 41:53 They'll have to delete that gene?

Joe Rogan 41:55 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 41:55 Or whatever it is.

Drew Nix 41:55 Just man- yeah, manipulate it.

Joe Rogan 41:56 They're gonna be able to do that. They're gonna be able to do a lot of things.

Drew Nix 41:59 Then we're gonna be birthing super babies once they... Like, you know, uh, things usually always seem like they start good, and then they go really bad.

Joe Rogan 42:06 Well-

Drew Nix 42:06 And then we're creating superhumans in the womb.

Joe Rogan 42:09 We're at the cusp of some really, really wild shit with AI and with genetic engineering and oth-

Brandon Coleman 42:15 But China, they're... I've heard... I read something where they can, like... They're trying to grow babies in an artificial womb now.

Joe Rogan 42:20 Mm-hmm.

Drew Nix 42:20 See, that's where-

Joe Rogan 42:21 Yeah.

Drew Nix 42:21 That's where ethics gets a little weird, 'cause then you're playing, you're playing God then.

Joe Rogan 42:25 Well, there's something that happens. There's communication between the mother and the child-

Brandon Coleman 42:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:27 ... through the entire time. So are you giving birth to a fucking sociopath?

Brandon Coleman 42:30 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:31 You know what I mean?

Drew Nix 42:31 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 42:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:32 Because, like, this, this baby is not gonna get any love, no oxytocin. There's nothing from the mother. There's no bond with the mother. When the mother is stressed, the baby feels stressed.

Brandon Coleman 42:41 Some of the mother's brain, something from their brain, like, goes into the baby.

Joe Rogan 42:46 100%.

Brandon Coleman 42:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:47 100%. There's, there's a lot going... There's communication. This is why, like, the mother has to, like, be up on her nutrients, 'cause the baby's, like, taking nutrients from the mother. And if the, if the mother doesn't have enough, the baby is taking it from the mother. So it's like...An artificial womb is like you're, you're opening the door for Satan.

Brandon Coleman 43:04 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 43:05 Like, if you believe in, in that, like if you want a soulless, bizarrely unempathetic person, what better way than-

Brandon Coleman 43:14 Maybe that's where they-

Joe Rogan 43:14 ... to have no connection? You know, that was what ha- one of the things that happened to the Unabomber. The Unabomber, I watched the Netflix documentary on him, and one of the things that happened to him, when he was young, he had some sort of a disease where he had to be separated from his mom and they put him in a hospital with no contact. He had no co- for a prolonged period of time as a baby. No one picked him up, no one held him, no nothing, for a long, long time. And then, as, as if that wasn't fucked up enough, they entered in- him into the Harvard LSD studies.

Brandon Coleman 43:47 Hmm.

Drew Nix 43:47 Oh. Damn.

Joe Rogan 43:48 And then, so he was in the Harvard LSD studies and he was- they were ... This was during the MKUltra period. So the MKUltra period, they were doing all sorts of experiments with people through the CIA. One of the things they were doing was a thing called Operation Midnight Climax where they were- they opened up brothels in San Francisco and they would, uh, put two-way mirrors in and they would dose these johns up with LSD so the ladies of the night were actually working for the CIA. And they would go in, "Here, have a drink," and the guy would have a drink and then the next thing he knows like, whoa.

Brandon Coleman 44:22 Wow.

Drew Nix 44:23 Damn.

Joe Rogan 44:23 And they were just trying to experiment and see ... This was also a part of what the Charles Manson Family was about and they were doing all kinds of shit with people where they're trying to figure out what can we do to humans-

Brandon Coleman 44:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 ... if we manipulate them with LSD, and they did it to Kaczynski and we saw what happened with him.

Drew Nix 44:39 And Tuskegee, Alabama with the syphilis back in the day.

Joe Rogan 44:42 Well, that was even more evil. That was, that was different.

Drew Nix 44:44 Where they were just seeing what would kinda happen.

Joe Rogan 44:46 Yeah. Yeah. That's-

Drew Nix 44:47 Well, it's still, like, human experimenting with-

Joe Rogan 44:49 Yes.

Drew Nix 44:49 ... without them knowing.

Joe Rogan 44:51 Yes.

Drew Nix 44:51 It's a very scary situation.

Joe Rogan 44:54 Well, it just goes back to what we were talking about with medicine, that there are people that are willing to do things to people that are just entirely evil, for profit, for whatever justification they can come up with.

Brandon Coleman 45:07 No value for human life.

Joe Rogan 45:09 None. None. And I think one of the problems with doctors and, uh, my friend who's a doctor t- told me this, was like, "You just get numb. When you see too many people die," he's like, "it's a very, it's a very dangerous state of mind because you just see someone and you're like, well, he's gonna die, and then you go have a sandwich."

Brandon Coleman 45:27 We're getting numb as a society of seeing people die.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Well, the Charlie Kirk thing fucking opened up my eyes.

Brandon Coleman 45:33 Yeah.

Drew Nix 45:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:34 I, I never expected so many people would celebrate that man's murder.

Brandon Coleman 45:38 That is evil. That's-

Joe Rogan 45:40 Bizarre. It was just bizarre, like normal people that I think think they are good people and they think, they genuinely think that guy was a bad guy, and I don't think they were right and I think they were indoctrinated and I, I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said or did, but it's-

Brandon Coleman 45:55 I don't care if he was a bad guy or not.

Joe Rogan 45:56 He's not a bad guy. He was-

Brandon Coleman 45:57 I don't wanna see him- I don't wanna see anybody die.

Joe Rogan 46:00 First of all, he's fucking your age, right?

Drew Nix 46:01 Yeah, he's in his 30s.

Brandon Coleman 46:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:02 He's a young guy, right? And he, you know, would go around to college campuses and have arguments with people or have discussions with people or have debates with people.

Brandon Coleman 46:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:11 But it infuriated p- people because they felt like this guy is going against the progress that was being made in society, but what he did not feel like was progress, like it was a progressive agenda that was being pushed in most college campuses. It's a leftist, Marxist sort of agenda. He didn't feel like that was the correct way to live and f- he felt like he had arguments against it and he wanted ... And it was, you know, it's a business too, right?

Brandon Coleman 46:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:41 Like, he developed this big social media platform because of it and I, you know, I don't, like I said, I don't agree. I don't think he- some of the things he said he should've said, but the fact that people were cheering when he died, normal people, housewives, moms, like, fucking people working at banks, people working at various industries, celebrating a man getting shot in front of his kids-

Brandon Coleman 47:05 That's-

Joe Rogan 47:05 ... and in front of the whole world.

Brandon Coleman 47:06 That's evil.

Joe Rogan 47:06 What the fuck is wrong with us?

Brandon Coleman 47:08 Yeah. That's, that's evil. Um, I don't know. That kind of ... I think it, it really, it made me feel extra weird too because it was an innocent man. I'll give some leniency, you know, maybe, uh, they're doing a public execution of like a mass murderer or-

Joe Rogan 47:24 Right.

Brandon Coleman 47:24 ... a child rapist.

Joe Rogan 47:25 Child molester.

Brandon Coleman 47:25 You know, something like that.

Joe Rogan 47:26 Right.

Brandon Coleman 47:26 But that- seeing an innocent man trying to have a conversation get shot in front of his kids-

Joe Rogan 47:30 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 47:30 ... and people celebrate that, it made me feel, uh, it made me feel a certain way. It was just-

Joe Rogan 47:35 Yeah, it wa- it was not justice, but I think people are poisoned by social media.

Brandon Coleman 47:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:39 I really, really firmly believe that. I think, I think social media has people completely twisted and I think a lot of what has people completely twisted is not even organic. I think it's all on purpose, that you're being manipulated by foreign governments, by bot farms, and by various elements, either in our government or other governments, and they do it for their own agenda, for their own ends, and it's dark.

Brandon Coleman 48:05 There's a Proverbs verse that, um, it's- I can't remember where it's at, but it's like, "He who doesn't find me harms himself and he who loves death hates me." And that, you know, it's ... If you love God and you- you- you can't love death, you can't love somebody getting killed.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Right.

Brandon Coleman 48:25 That's just, there's the line right there. There's evil and good right there.

Joe Rogan 48:27 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 48:28 And so there's, there's no justification for that. And we actually ... 'Cause I- we've always made a point in the band to not get political. We don't care what your politics are. We just, come listen to our music and come have fun at our show. We don't care. Every one of us in the band originally, we all have different views politically and religiously in some type of way, but we manage to be brothers and, you know, be in a band together. So we- I've just gotten ... And I love a good political talk, but lately I've just been so jaded from it. So- Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:02 And I don't wanna ever, like, divide my fan base or anything, you know? How you vote or how you believe is none of my business. We are here to entertain you.

Brandon Coleman 49:09 And, uh, so I'd never wanna use my platform to, to do that. But we're just s- uh, uh, we got so sick of seeing people put politics above humanity, we actually, we had wrote a song about it, um, in April in the studio, uh, called People Hatin'. And th- that's, we wasn't gonna put it out as a single at first, we were gonna do another s- another song. But after the, the Charlie Kirk thing, it's just like, hey, uh, we got together and we went, "I think we need to put People Hatin' out instead for the first single." Because it's, uh, just, we, we, we've gotta start, we've gotta stop killing each other over beliefs and stop hating each other over beliefs, you know?

Joe Rogan 49:46 Yeah, it's fucking insane.

Brandon Coleman 49:47 Everybody's race is different, everybody's experiencing life different, and everybody's trying to figure it out the same as you are.

Joe Rogan 49:53 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 49:53 And it's just really weird now.

Joe Rogan 49:55 It's really weird, and it's celebrated to hate people. And that's, that's the weird part. And most of us know that that's wrong, and that's why, like, when this Charlie Kirk thing happens, there's a giant blowback. And most people recognize, like, hey, th- as a collectively, as, as a society, this is not right. Regardless of whoever that person is, whether that person's on the left or the right, they just got shot in front of the whole world. This is, it's not a thing to celebrate ever. And especially when you're seeing people on the left that are supposed to be progressives, these are supposed to be the kind, compassionate, inclusive people that are celebrating gun violence.

Brandon Coleman 50:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Public execution.

Brandon Coleman 50:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Like, that's insane. That's, uh, that's in- a public assassination, that's insane.

Brandon Coleman 50:40 Yeah, I mean, you can't, you can't be for, you can't be against guns and then celebrate when someone is killed by a gun.

Joe Rogan 50:45 Right. Yeah. No, it doesn't make any sense. But that's, that hypocrisy is just a symptom of where we, where we find ourselves. We're, we're all just, so many of us are confused because of the rhetoric online. And again, a lot of that's not normal, it's not organic, it's not real, it's not real people, and it's not what you would ever get in real social circles of healthy people.

Brandon Coleman 51:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:10 You're only getting it through this very bizarre filter of just text on social media, and videos where someone's just talking to the camera celebrating on social media. It's like, it's very strange.

Brandon Coleman 51:22 Most of the time you walk around, 'cause we travel all over the place, and most of the time when you walk around, stop watching the news, get off your phone and just walk around in society-

Joe Rogan 51:31 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 51:31 ... it's really, really not that bad.

Joe Rogan 51:33 It's not that bad. And it, that is the key. But most people are not gonna get off their phone.

Brandon Coleman 51:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:38 And that's what's fucked.

Brandon Coleman 51:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:39 Most people, most people are just fully hooked on that damn thing.

Brandon Coleman 51:43 Yeah. You think it's weird now, wait till all these, uh, wait till all these iPhone babies grow up and all these-

Joe Rogan 51:47 Mm-hmm.

Brandon Coleman 51:47 ... tablet babies grow up.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Mm-hmm.

Brandon Coleman 51:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Oh, yeah.

Brandon Coleman 51:49 You seen the videos of 'em taking the tablets away and the babies are, like, freaking out-

Joe Rogan 51:52 Freaking out, yeah.

Brandon Coleman 51:52 ... and having withdrawals and stuff?

Joe Rogan 51:53 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're being raised with it.

Brandon Coleman 51:56 Yeah.

Drew Nix 51:57 Our generation was probably the, the last to not have, I mean, we didn't have technology growing up. We had dial-up internet and we didn't get that till I was, you know, going through middle school.

Brandon Coleman 52:06 I didn't have a smartphone.

Drew Nix 52:06 I didn't have a smartphone till I was 16.

Joe Rogan 52:08 Well, you still have an Android.

Brandon Coleman 52:09 Yeah, dude, but that's better.

Joe Rogan 52:11 (laughs)

Drew Nix 52:12 (laughs) All right, buddy.

Brandon Coleman 52:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:13 Why d- w- why are you an Android guy?

Brandon Coleman 52:15 I've always been an Android guy 'cause I was... I'll give you some, I was, we, we didn't grow up rich, so...

Joe Rogan 52:21 (laughs)

Drew Nix 52:22 (laughs) That's my argument, uh, just to play around that...

Brandon Coleman 52:25 Yeah, we couldn't afford iPhones, and neither, I really didn't care, I didn't even know what an iPhone was. I just got whatever phone I could buy, um...

Joe Rogan 52:32 To text people.

Brandon Coleman 52:33 My dad got me the, I mean, my, my parents got me the, uh, the-

Drew Nix 52:36 Little Sidekick.

Brandon Coleman 52:36 ... you know, the little Sidekick-

Drew Nix 52:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:38 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 52:38 ... and stuff, so I've always been on the Android side. And then when I started working as a teenager, I, I saved up and I bought my own, like, smartphone from one of those, uh, cellphone shops on, like, in the strip mall. And, uh, it was just, it was Android. I never, I never really got into the... I never cared, first of all, what p- phone people have. It's you guys who care.

Drew Nix 52:59 Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan 53:00 Hold on.

Brandon Coleman 53:00 Y'all pay attention.

Drew Nix 53:00 This is...

Joe Rogan 53:01 I have both.

Brandon Coleman 53:02 (clears throat) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:02 But it is a w- it's a weird thing in our society where if a kid has, uh, an Android phone, they're looked down on, and it's...

Brandon Coleman 53:09 Yeah, dude, so weird.

Joe Rogan 53:10 It's like something like 80-plus percent of kids have iPhones.

Brandon Coleman 53:14 Man, I was, it was after a show one time-

Drew Nix 53:17 Green bubbles.

Brandon Coleman 53:17 ... it was after a show one time-

Joe Rogan 53:18 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 53:18 ... a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 53:19 Weird.

Brandon Coleman 53:20 And I was talking to this girl, this was like way back in the day and, uh, she's like, "Yeah, well, I'm gonna f- maybe we get your number." And then I pulled out my phone, she's like, "Oh, you have an Android?" I just walked off and said, "Yep."

Drew Nix 53:31 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 53:31 Just walked off, I don't...

Joe Rogan 53:32 She didn't like you anymore?

Brandon Coleman 53:33 Green bubble. Yeah, it was after a show.

Joe Rogan 53:35 That's crazy.

Brandon Coleman 53:36 Yeah, it's weird.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Isn't that weird? It's weird. It's weird, but it's like it just shows you how easy people fall into tribes.

Brandon Coleman 53:44 (clicks tongue) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:44 You know?

Drew Nix 53:45 Over anything.

Brandon Coleman 53:45 What we were just talking about.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Yeah.

Drew Nix 53:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Oh, yeah.

Drew Nix 53:48 Even down to the, to pho- if you have something different than somebody-

Brandon Coleman 53:51 Uh-huh.

Drew Nix 53:51 ... they automatically don't like you.

Brandon Coleman 53:53 When the iPhone babies-

Drew Nix 53:54 It can be religion, it can be politics, it can be the, the dang phone in your pocket.

Joe Rogan 53:57 Yep.

Brandon Coleman 53:57 When the iPhone-

Drew Nix 53:58 Wow.

Brandon Coleman 53:58 ... babies grow up, they're gonna be killing each other over phones.

Drew Nix 54:01 What about the Android babies? Is it the same thing?

Brandon Coleman 54:02 We just wanna be left alone, man.

Joe Rogan 54:04 (laughs)

Drew Nix 54:04 See, this is, this is the identity.

Joe Rogan 54:07 It's a rebel's phone now.

Drew Nix 54:09 Oh, rebel's phone, yeah, dude.

Brandon Coleman 54:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:10 If you choose it. If you choose it, it's a rebel's phone. If, if y- it chooses you, it's like, "One day I'm gonna get a fucking iPhone. Like, get out of this job."

Drew Nix 54:17 No.

Joe Rogan 54:17 "I'm gonna get a real job and I'm gonna get an iPhone."

Brandon Coleman 54:19 Nope.

Joe Rogan 54:19 But the people that choose it, they're, they're the rebels.

Drew Nix 54:22 I'm glad I married an iPhone user, I'll tell you that.

Joe Rogan 54:24 (laughs)

Drew Nix 54:24 I'm just, I'm glad my wife has an iPhone-

Joe Rogan 54:26 Why?

Drew Nix 54:26 ... and we can send cool emojis.

Brandon Coleman 54:28 See, see you say that? I married an iPhone user, and I don't care if she has an iPhone.

Joe Rogan 54:34 That's sweet.

Brandon Coleman 54:34 You're, you're glad that you married an iPhone user, I don't care that I married an iPhone user, I love her anyway.

Drew Nix 54:39 Ah.

Joe Rogan 54:39 It feels like you're trying to be superior over him now.

Drew Nix 54:41 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 54:42 By virtue of calling-

Drew Nix 54:43 Yeah, Brandon's just, like, left, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Call out your superiority complex-

Brandon Coleman 54:45 Can't win for losing.

Joe Rogan 54:45 ... he's being superior.

Drew Nix 54:46 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 54:47 Can't, just can't win with these people.

Joe Rogan 54:48 (laughs)

Drew Nix 54:49 Yeah, now he's playing, now he's playing victim.

Brandon Coleman 54:51 He wants to say it's an American company, but they're made in China.

Drew Nix 54:53 Well, the owner, Tim, uh, what's his name?

Joe Rogan 54:56 Cook.

Brandon Coleman 54:56 You don't even know.

Drew Nix 54:57 He is from-

Joe Rogan 54:57 The CEO.

Drew Nix 54:57 ... he is from where we are from.

Joe Rogan 54:59 Oh, okay.

Drew Nix 54:59 I'm supporting a local. Now has he ever put an Apple Store in Mobile, Alabama? Absolutely not. Do we deserve one? Probably not.

Joe Rogan 55:06 (laughs)

Drew Nix 55:07 But...

Joe Rogan 55:08 It'll get robbed too. (laughs)

Drew Nix 55:09 Maybe the phone, the phones should be made in America one day.

Joe Rogan 55:13 Yeah.

Drew Nix 55:13 But American company?

Joe Rogan 55:14 Well, if they made it in Amer- I always said that if they made an American phone that had, like, a little American flag on the back but it cost $200 more, I would buy it.

Brandon Coleman 55:21 Yeah, me too.

Drew Nix 55:21 Who do you think is gonna make it?

Joe Rogan 55:22 Well, it would have to be a company that started w- i- th- the problem is that the goal of doing that is a long goal. Like, you would have to develop the chips, you'd have to, uh, have a plant. Like, Samsung tried to put in a, they were putting a, a microchip plant in Texas-

Drew Nix 55:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:39 ... and they had giant issues because they weren't getting enough-... like, so, the, all of them don't meet their standards, you know, and a certain percentage of them weren't, and it was a much lower standard than they needed. And so it didn't work out. It's like, and you're spending billions and billions of dollars to find out that you can't do it. W- so in China, they've got that shit perfected. They've been doing it for so long, 'cause we've relied on them for so long.

Drew Nix 56:02 And don't they have their own phone as well?

Joe Rogan 56:04 Oh, they have a lot of phones.

Drew Nix 56:05 Isn't it... Well, I don't... Forgot what it's called. They have a special Chinese phone.

Joe Rogan 56:09 Well, Huawei, because they were banned here, so Google and, uh, Apple wouldn't let them use their operating systems, because it's basically a spy device.

Drew Nix 56:17 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:17 But guess what?

Drew Nix 56:19 Oh-ho.

Joe Rogan 56:19 So are all of them. If you're hanging around with me, your fucking phone's bugged.

Drew Nix 56:23 Yeah, I-

Joe Rogan 56:23 You know?

Brandon Coleman 56:24 Heck yeah, dude.

Drew Nix 56:24 That's something, that's always been something that does not bother me, personally. I don't have anything to hide, first of all.

Brandon Coleman 56:30 What about your DMs?

Joe Rogan 56:30 It's not-

Brandon Coleman 56:31 Like, your-

Joe Rogan 56:31 The problem is not that.

Brandon Coleman 56:31 ... what we send you too?

Drew Nix 56:32 Well, I-

Joe Rogan 56:33 The problem is not you having something to hide. The problem is no one should have access to your private information.

Drew Nix 56:38 No, they should not.

Joe Rogan 56:40 Whether or not it's, i- it's, you know, bad, it do- that shouldn't mean anything. No one should have access.

Drew Nix 56:46 No, they should not.

Joe Rogan 56:47 Because it's an individual.

Brandon Coleman 56:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:48 No individual should be able to look at your phone, and you can't look at theirs. It's, it's a power thing.

Drew Nix 56:52 And they're-

Joe Rogan 56:53 It's a control thing.

Drew Nix 56:53 But you can guarantee the government's-

Brandon Coleman 56:56 Yeah.

Drew Nix 56:56 ... got everything.

Brandon Coleman 56:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:57 Oh, it's not just the government. It's other foreign governments, especially if you're a controversial person. Like, the foreign governments, there's a thing called Pegasus, too. All they need is your phone number. That's all they need. So if you're not using encrypted apps, all they need is your phone number. And even if you are using encrypted apps, the government can get into those. You know, when Tucker Carlson was trying to interview Putin, the-

Brandon Coleman 57:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:18 ... the government contacted him and said, "We know you're trying to interview Putin. We were looking in your Signal app." And he's like, "What?"

Brandon Coleman 57:23 Wow.

Drew Nix 57:24 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 57:24 "You can, you can read my fucking Signal app?" Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 57:27 So it's just like, the government's saying, "Back off, China. Spying on Americans is our job."

Drew Nix 57:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:32 (laughs) Well-

Brandon Coleman 57:33 Because it's hard.

Joe Rogan 57:33 ... because of the Patriot Act and because of a lot of other things that they've passed in this country, a lot of it's legal. They're allowed to. They're allowed to spy on you.

Drew Nix 57:41 I think they would, can make it illegal and we still wouldn't know.

Joe Rogan 57:44 Well, it probably would be illegal, but it wouldn't matter. They would find some sort of a-

Brandon Coleman 57:48 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 57:48 ... fucking loophole. And, or they would pass some bill, they'd stick it in some farm bill, something. We think like, "Oh, this is good. We're gonna help the farmers." And then you look in there like, "Hey." (laughs) "What's this doing in there?"

Brandon Coleman 58:00 Yeah.

Drew Nix 58:00 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 58:00 I seen-

Joe Rogan 58:01 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 58:01 There's some, some stuff in the, in the Big Beautiful Bill, where it's like they were trying to sell some national park land or something?

Drew Nix 58:06 Yes!

Joe Rogan 58:07 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 58:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:07 Yes, they were trying to sell public land. It was a part of the Big Beautiful Bill. Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 58:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:11 I was one of the people that was trying very hard to try to get that outta there.

Brandon Coleman 58:15 I remember that.

Drew Nix 58:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:16 It's fucking sick.

Drew Nix 58:17 We-

Brandon Coleman 58:17 I thought that was illegal. Like-

Joe Rogan 58:19 It should be.

Drew Nix 58:19 Foreign countries-

Joe Rogan 58:21 It should be.

Drew Nix 58:21 ... own land.

Joe Rogan 58:21 They're trying to change laws.

Brandon Coleman 58:23 They-

Joe Rogan 58:23 But that's the thing, like, foreign countries owning land around military bases, that's crazy.

Brandon Coleman 58:28 That's weird too.

Drew Nix 58:28 Where i-

Joe Rogan 58:29 Yeah.

Drew Nix 58:29 ... where was... Yeah, why is that happening?

Joe Rogan 58:31 Can't do that in China. Meanwhile, China owns land around military bases.

Drew Nix 58:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Yeah, there's a lot of stupidity with our freedom. But that doesn't mean the government should be fucking spying on you. The thing is, in other countries, they just are. Like, in China, they just are. And y- you know, and the argument is if we wanna compete with China, we have to do what they're doing, which I think is insane.

Drew Nix 58:52 Aren't they about to start, or they already have the social point system?

Joe Rogan 58:56 Social credit score. Yeah.

Drew Nix 58:57 Yeah, social credit score.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Oh, yeah. Yeah. So if you jaywalk and they get a photo of your face, so they have biometrics, they get a photo of your face, they know it's you, you think it's ding, now you can't buy a plane ticket.

Drew Nix 59:07 Hmm.

Brandon Coleman 59:07 It's like-

Joe Rogan 59:07 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 59:08 ... Black Mirror stuff to-

Drew Nix 59:09 Yup.

Joe Rogan 59:09 Yeah. Oh, it's just like that.

Drew Nix 59:11 ... like it's becoming a reality.

Joe Rogan 59:11 Well, they're passing that in the UK right now. In the UK-

Brandon Coleman 59:13 Digital ID.

Joe Rogan 59:13 ... you need a digital ID to combat, ready for it, illegal immigration. Well, motherfucker, you let the illegal immigrants in on purpose. Like, you guys knew what you were doing.

Brandon Coleman 59:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:23 And now you're using it as a justification for digital ID.

Drew Nix 59:27 I just watched one this morning, actually, about, it was a British judge, a guy got sentenced-

Joe Rogan 59:31 I saw that, yeah.

Drew Nix 59:32 ... for however many years for a s-

Joe Rogan 59:34 20 months.

Drew Nix 59:34 ... social-

Joe Rogan 59:35 20 months.

Drew Nix 59:35 ... 20 months, for a social media post.

Brandon Coleman 59:36 Yeah. It's, it's getting-

Drew Nix 59:37 'Cause it was about immigration.

Joe Rogan 59:38 It's getting weird.

Drew Nix 59:38 Complaining about immigration. It's wild.

Joe Rogan 59:40 Yeah. It's wild, it's crazy. And you know, it's the best way to control people. You know? And, and keep them at each other's throats. Like, uh, p- bring in a bunch of people that the people that live there don't want there, and let them duke it out, and then start instituting d- tighter and tighter restrictions and control.

Brandon Coleman 59:58 Yeah. I see, I see all that happening, and that, and it always makes me wonder, I wonder how it's gonna go down here, because we are the different ones with the, with the guns and stuff. I wonder how far it's gonna go here before something happens, something pops off.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 They're gonna try. They're gonna ke-

Brandon Coleman 1:00:15 Yeah, you know they are.

Drew Nix 1:00:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 They're gonna try, and they're gonna keep, ke- keep trying. They're gonna continue to try, and they're gonna try to sneak it in. And if it's not for independent journalists that call that shit out, we would be in real trouble.

Brandon Coleman 1:00:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 It would've already happened. It would've already happened. They would've put it... They were trying to institute a vaccine passport, and the vaccine passport would be attached to a digital ID so that you would know. But that digital ID would then be transferred to a social credit score. And, and then they wanted to do a carbon tax. So they wanna do a, a th- a thing that tracks your carbon. So it tracks how many miles you drive, tracks your purchases, so it tracks how much carbon you're com- you're com- commit- com- com- you're contributing to-

Brandon Coleman 1:00:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 ... the environment. It's, it's crazy.

Brandon Coleman 1:00:56 And somehow paying more money will, will stop that, won't it?

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Oh yeah, that's what we need to do. You just need to tax people more.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Tax people more, and it, it's all gonna come and make normal in the end. It'll be perfect.

Drew Nix 1:01:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Utopia.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:07 You're a farmer with cows, you gotta, you know, pay taxes on those cows 'cause they're farting, isn't it?

Drew Nix 1:01:11 'Cause they're farting.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Well, how about in other countries? They're killing cows. They're, they're forcing them to kill cows 'cause those cows are producing too much methane, so they're saying you have to kill 2,000 cows, 1,000 cows.

Drew Nix 1:01:20 Wow.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:20 Food.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Yeah, yeah. So they control your food.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 That's exactly what it is.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:24 It was w- I remember when all those, uh, those, uh, chicken farm- or chicken houses burnt down-

Drew Nix 1:01:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:29 ... a couple years ago.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:30 That was really weird too.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Yeah, it's real weird. But the chickens, chicken houses do burn down.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 What's also weird is they, they had to kill a bunch of chickens 'cause some of these chickens had bird flu.

Drew Nix 1:01:40 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:40 Well, hopefully that's true.

Drew Nix 1:01:41 You know, there's people's livestocks ran in, popping up dead too? Bunch of cattle?

Brandon Coleman 1:01:44 There was, uh, a couple years ago-

Drew Nix 1:01:46 Couple years.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:47 ... there was a, this one farmer posted a video, like all of his cattle were just dead in the-

Drew Nix 1:01:51 In the field.

Brandon Coleman 1:01:51 ... in the field. And then they said it was 'cause of the heat.... or something, but this farmer had just tons of dead cows just all of a sudden. And it was going on the same time as the, the chicken houses burning down, so it could've just been, you know, news adding onto news kinda thing-

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Mm-hmm.

Brandon Coleman 1:02:05 ... and this is what's in right now.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Hmm. Maybe it's aliens.

Brandon Coleman 1:02:09 Yeah, maybe so.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Like, cattle mutilations.

Brandon Coleman 1:02:11 Well, the alien thing is-

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 It wouldn't be aliens, but it'd be cool.

Brandon Coleman 1:02:13 ... the alien thing is just another interesting topic. Like, you see, you, I'll get random, there's random times where people are seeing all these crazy things in the sky, and, uh, it's like a big deal for a few days, and then you don't really talk about it anymore. Did you see the, that one thing that lady was filming? She was like, "Hi. Do you know Jesus?"

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 1:02:30 And the wheels were like going crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 No. What is that?

Brandon Coleman 1:02:33 Yeah. It was like a-

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 It's also hard to know what's real.

Brandon Coleman 1:02:35 Yeah. I know. It's 'cause of AI.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Oh, AI. Yeah. You know?

Brandon Coleman 1:02:38 Yeah. See, and it, the interesting thing about that, though, is it, somebody in the Bible described seeing something, uh, one of the angels or something-

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Ezekiel.

Brandon Coleman 1:02:47 Yeah. And, uh, the wheels on wheels.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 The wheel within a wheel. Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:02:49 And that's what this thing was, and she said, "Do you know Jesus?" And then it, the wheels would just start spinning really, really fast.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:02:54 And I was like, "Whoa, man. I hope that was real. That's pretty cool."

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Oh, man, uh, is this it?

Brandon Coleman 1:02:59 Look. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 That looks like a rocket launch.

Narrator 1:03:03 I know I can, but my fingers don't work.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 She says-

Narrator 1:03:06 I'm sorry, guys.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 She zooms in on an orb and speaks to it.

Narrator 1:03:09 Sorry, guys.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 And she says, "Jesus loves me." She definitely have an Android. Look how fucking cheery it is. Yeah. (laughs) It's gonna, it's gonna turn into the moon here in a second. Watch. Well, that's the thing if you zoom in on stuff, it, uh, especially stuff through the atmosphere-

Narrator 1:03:27 That's kind of cool.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 ... things look very blurry. Like, if you zoom in on stars, they totally look like they're some sort of a fucking spaceship.

Brandon Coleman 1:03:33 It, yeah, see how it-

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 But it's just a star.

Brandon Coleman 1:03:35 She said, when she says, "Do you know Jesus?" it starts like, uh, it starts moving. I think it's towards the end, but yeah, you get the idea. It's just...

Narrator 1:03:45 Yes, he is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 That looks like-

Narrator 1:03:46 Do you know Jesus?

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 It kinda looks like a weather balloon. (laughs)

Narrator 1:03:49 This is awesome, isn't he?

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Maybe it's one of them Chinese spy balloons again.

Brandon Coleman 1:03:51 Wait, wait. Play that. Let me hear her say it.

Narrator 1:03:54 Jesus loves me.

Brandon Coleman 1:03:56 (laughs) Look, look, look, look. Look.

Narrator 1:03:59 Oh, you know Jesus.

Brandon Coleman 1:04:01 You know Jesus.

Narrator 1:04:02 You know Jesus. Jesus is awesome, isn't he?

Brandon Coleman 1:04:06 Yeah. Jesus rocks. But if that is real, dude-

Narrator 1:04:10 Yes, he is.

Brandon Coleman 1:04:10 ... and that random lady's just filming that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 Well, that is the weirdness of the people that think that they can call these things in. So there's a, a group of people that supposedly successfully, they sit out and they have this intention, they go out into the desert in the clear night sky and they have this intention to call these things in. And they're all silently calling these things in. And apparently, it's effective. Occasionally, I don't know how often, but it's not zero. Sometimes these things show up. Interesting.

Brandon Coleman 1:04:40 Who's that guy, he was on Sean Ryan? Um...

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:04:42 He's an old man. Chris something. Uh, but he, people like celebrities go out to his...

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Uh-huh.

Brandon Coleman 1:04:49 ... his land, and he's like, "I can call these things on command. They'll show up," and people go out to see it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:04:54 Um...

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 I don't know about all that.

Brandon Coleman 1:04:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 It's hard.

Brandon Coleman 1:04:58 You should go to, you should go there.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 You should go investigate. Nah, I don't want to. People will trust what you say. Yeah, but the problem is I don't know what I'm seeing, right?

Brandon Coleman 1:05:05 Well, don't tell anybody. Just go up for yourself.

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 The thing is, like, you don't know what you're seeing. It could be a b- it could be a drone, it could be anything.

Brandon Coleman 1:05:11 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 It could be fucking Starlink.

Brandon Coleman 1:05:13 This guy said-

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Do you have to pay to go do it? That's a good question.

Brandon Coleman 1:05:18 I can't remember that guy's name. It's driving me crazy. But yeah, he, uh, he wrote a book called UFOs of God, and, uh, I started listening to it, and I'm just terrible about reading books and stuff. So I got, I got like the first three chapters in, but it was really interesting. Um, he's worked with, he's, NASA's showed up at his house.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Here he is.

Brandon Coleman 1:05:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Chris Bledsoe.

Brandon Coleman 1:05:36 Yeah. I watched his, uh, S- Sean Ryan, I think the guy's name is. I watched his podcast. It was an interesting listen.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 And so th- this guy, what does he think these things are?

Brandon Coleman 1:05:48 Um, they're related with God somehow. They're, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 That's what Tucker believes.

Brandon Coleman 1:05:53 Yeah. I, I kind of, I believe it too.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 There's a lot of people, a lot of people believe that these things are not from another world. That they're, they've always been here.

Brandon Coleman 1:06:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 And they're a part of our world, they just don't show themselves to us. Does this guy have videos of these things? Watch this with an open heart, okay? Show me what you got. Okay, something moving. Oh.

Brandon Coleman 1:06:16 There's a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Okay. What the fuck is that?

Brandon Coleman 1:06:20 I think you should go out there and check him out.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Fireflies.

Brandon Coleman 1:06:21 Just don't tell anybody.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 That could be bugs. I see that if I look up at, in the sky in Austin all the time.

Narrator 1:06:27 (laughs)

Brandon Coleman 1:06:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:28 Yeah, but that thing moving across the sky, that is odd. Oh, that's different. Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:06:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 That thing's very odd.

Brandon Coleman 1:06:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 'Cause that's clearly moving. It's- I mean, you see flashes and all that stuff. But the thing is, it's like you're zooming in, right? So you get distortion, right?

Brandon Coleman 1:06:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 So you don't know and then, see, it's going behind the cloud. That, you don't know what that is. Have you ever seen the space station flyover? It kinda looks like that.

Brandon Coleman 1:06:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 It did. Yeah. How... Have you seen the space station flyover? I've seen pictures of it before.

Brandon Coleman 1:06:55 Does it look like that?

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 Yeah, it's really slow moving- It's just a white light? ... I guess. Yeah, it's just a tiny little dot.

Brandon Coleman 1:06:58 It's usually just one, though.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Well, yeah, the rest of those, that's, the rest of that stuff kinda looks like bugs flying by- Yeah, that looks like bugs from your backyard.

Brandon Coleman 1:07:05 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 That's the problem is that like if you're zooming in on this thing, the stuff that flies in between that looks like it's moving really fast and flying across incredible space. Yeah, that easily could be bugs. Yeah, those little things. Especially if you're like in your backyard. But maybe not. Oh, yeah. (laughs) That's the problem. Like- Interdimensional angelic beings. Is that what he's calling them? That's what it says. Hmm. And there's more. I'll have to see some documentation. Sorry. My, my dad was healed-

Brandon Coleman 1:07:31 Go out there, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 Wait 'til the end. What happens in the end?

Brandon Coleman 1:07:34 It goes behind the cloud.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 Oh. "They simply come when I, when we ask in prayer." Hmm. "Countless others were healed too."

Brandon Coleman 1:07:44 Joe, just go out there and see it, and don't tell anybody and (sighs) that's it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 I don't wanna waste my time. I feel like if they wanna show themselves, they should just go ahead and do it.

Brandon Coleman 1:07:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:55 Just do it.

Brandon Coleman 1:07:55 I think they will eventually maybe if it's gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 Maybe-

Narrator 1:07:57 That was a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 ... maybe if things get real messy here.

Narrator 1:08:00 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:08:00 Yeah.

Narrator 1:08:01 We'll find out.

Brandon Coleman 1:08:01 Well, uh, isn't there verses about there will be signs in the sky? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 Well, there's a lot of verses about the sky, and about... I've been in the, into the Book of Enoch over the last couple months.

Brandon Coleman 1:08:11 Yeah, I was wanting to pull that up. I was wanting to talk about that for a minute.

Joe Rogan 1:08:13 So, Rep. Lema came in here and she was explaining to me the Book of Enoch, and I never really got into it. She's like, "You know, it could have been included in the Bible, and it was a part of the, the Dead Sea Scrolls," but-

Brandon Coleman 1:08:24 The first half was, right?

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 The, well, the Book of Enoch is in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Brandon Coleman 1:08:28 The whole book?

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 Yeah.

Brandon Coleman 1:08:29 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 And the, um, at least part... The problem with the book of, uh, the Dead Sea Scrolls rather, is a lot of it has deteriorated and it's missing chunks and stuff, but-

Brandon Coleman 1:08:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 ... the Book of Isaiah is in the Dead Sea Scrolls and it is identical word for word, Wes Huff was explaining that-

Brandon Coleman 1:08:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 ... to a version of it that was a thousand years older, which was the most recent version before they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1940s, which is wild.

Narrator 1:08:53 That is wild.

Brandon Coleman 1:08:53 And that's the book that God predicts his own coming to Earth and his own death, and all that.

Joe Rogan 1:08:59 Well, the Book of Enoch is the one that predicts... The, this is what talks about the watchers-

Brandon Coleman 1:09:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 ... and the sky, and that these gods made-

Brandon Coleman 1:09:07 Trippy alien stuff. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:07 ... with humans and created the Nephilim.

Narrator 1:09:09 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:09:10 That is bizarre.

Brandon Coleman 1:09:11 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 I've listened, re- listened to it twice now, and I keep going back over it and just rewinding and going, "What are they saying?" Like, what, what were they trying to describe? 'Cause this sounds completely insane.

Brandon Coleman 1:09:25 When you get into, like, the... 'Cause isn't there, like, Egyptian stuff where the, there's like s- men coming down from space, and-