Joe Rogan Experience #2391 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 1:47

   Catholicism, stereotypes, and why people hate “versions” of Christianity

   1. DTDuncan Trussell0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Hello, Duncan.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell0:16

      Hello, Joe.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      (laughs)

   6. DTDuncan Trussell0:18

      Hello.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Father. Father Trussell.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell0:21

      Father. Hello, Father Rogan.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Um, are we allowed to do this?

   10. DTDuncan Trussell0:25

       What?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       This religion you can kind of goof on a little bit.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell0:28

       Catholicism?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Yeah.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell0:30

       Uh ...

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       They get testy.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell0:31

       I don't ... You know, eh, having now gone to a, a f- more than a few Catholic masses, which are beautiful, and hung out with Catholics, who are awesome, I've really had to reconfigure everything I used to think about it, because they're just really sweet. Had a long conversation with a priest, brilliant dude, totally like non-judgmental, kinda intellectual, you know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Hmm.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell0:58

       Philosophical. Like right away, I'm like, "Oh, you should- I want, I should have this guy on my podcast."

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Interesting.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell1:03

       Yeah. It wasn't ... It's not what ... It's the-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Hmm.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:05

       You know, I feel like the Christianity that most people are angry at is not even Christianity. It's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       You know what I think it's like?

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:15

       What?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Like saying that you're a liberal person. 'Cause I'm pretty liberal and you're pretty liberal.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell1:21

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       In the greater spectrum-

   28. DTDuncan Trussell1:24

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       ... but then you get lumped in with ANTIFA.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell1:26

       That's the pro-
2. 1:47 – 6:41

   What’s happening in Portland: protests, ICE, and anti-capitalist energy

   1. DTDuncan Trussell1:47

      So when you're looking at like Portland, um, the- the protesters in Portland.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:54

      Yeah, what exactly is going on in Portland? I'm trying not to pay attention.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell1:57

      Oh, well, what's happened is-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      I know they've, eh, brought in the National Guard. Is that happening?

   5. DTDuncan Trussell2:02

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      Or they tried to and they got blocked?

   7. DTDuncan Trussell2:03

      No, I think they have now. I think they're there. So what's happened is, they're in front of the ICE facility. There are ongoing protests at night. Now, it's f- I, I watch these streams (laughs) and I've been watching a self-professed fascist named Karlyn who drinks and, and, and, (laughs) and basically roasts these live streams. But weirdly, she like, sh- well, she, she has apparently embedded herself with ANTIFA before and so sh- it's such a funny stream 'cause like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      So they tolerate her?

   9. DTDuncan Trussell2:43

      Oh, no. Not anymore. She like ... No, no, no, no. She's like ... I mean, I don't know if she's trolling or not, but on her stream, she's like, "I am a fascist."

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       Right.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell2:52

       So she's a- proudly proclaiming she's a fascist. I don't know how much of that is trolling, how much of it is real, but conservatives who are drawn to her stream will say things like, "These people are funded by George Soros." And it's the funniest thing 'cause she gets so mad and she's like, "Get off fucking Fox News! Stop watching that shit! It's all wrong! These ... do these people look funded? Do these people look like they have money? They're not funded." It's, it's ... so and, and I guess her bigger point is by saying these are funded agitators and not saying what they actually are, which is anti-capitalist revolutionaries, you dilute what's really happening because what's really happening, according to her and I think a, a fair amount of people, is that the economy's so fucked, the middle class is diminishing so much, the cost of living is so high that this is the til- the perfect soil you need if you wanted communism to grow anywhere because you're some kid, you've been like th- glued to Reddit or TikTok, you've been getting your fucking amygdala jerked off on-

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       (laughs)

   13. DTDuncan Trussell4:02

       ... by the devil, you're, you're just filled with like unease, you've watched assassinations, attempted assassinations-

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Yeah.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell4:09

       ... the banking crisis, all of it, and it's like then you ... Like some Marxist theorist starts telling you a little bit about like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       Dismantling capitalism.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell4:22

       You got it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       Yeah.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell4:23

       And, you know, e- I don't know, man. Back when I was in liberal arts school, if shit was the way it was and some, especially if it was a, like some hot goth girl started talking to me a little bit-

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       (laughs)

   21. DTDuncan Trussell4:34

       ... of- about dismantling capitalism, I think I would be like, "Yeah, let's dismantle!" But that ... So that's ... What you're seeing there, uh, the, the breakdown of it is that the s- Democrats and Republicans, what they have in common is they believe in private property and they, they believe the power of the state should be used to protect private property and so anti-capitalists, communists, w- they would- they think that that's just fucked up. Essent- the, the breakdown of it, as far as I could tell ... Sorry all the communists out there, I'm gonna ruin Marxism, a- just, um, saying I don't ... It's very complex, you know, but from what I understand, the idea is this. You have a bunch of money. You buy a factory. You hire someone to run the factory. You get a bunch of workers to go into the factory. The workers are the ones who are making money for you. They are the ones who are skilled. You just knew what number to call. Got yourself a factory, got yourself managers for the factory. You are now going to take a huge cut of the profit and the workers are not gonna get very much at all. And Karl Marx, as I understand it, was saying, "That's bullshit." Like all you do is buy an apartment, keep it, keep it sort of painted in between tenants, and sit back and collect money. Why?... just 'cause you had some money, and then when you look at the way money flows uphill, you see this creates a perfect situation for a, a, a world of renters, a world of workers, a world of people getting paid minimum wage, while the, the person who owns the means of production gets the most money. And so, this is a growing sentiment in the world right now.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Right.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell6:32

       And, and honestly, it's like, you're working two fucking jobs, you're getting paid minimum wage, you know what- how much the CEOs are making.

3. 6:41 – 18:22

   Immigration enforcement vs compassion: ICE raids and the authoritarian creep

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:41

      Or how about the people that came into this country because they were told that the borders were open-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell6:46

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      ... they establish their life here for four years.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell6:49

      20 years.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      Or how about the most recent ones even, and then all of a sudden you're getting hunted down.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell6:55

      Yeah, hunted, fucking hunted down. Now this, and let's forget- let's just-

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:00

      Well, that- wouldn't that start this idea as well? Wouldn't that feed into the idea-

   8. DTDuncan Trussell7:05

      Well, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:05

      ... of dissolving the state?

   10. DTDuncan Trussell7:07

       Absolutely. You're, you're watching this shit, you know, and, and, and you're, you're high as a kite, you're watching this stuff, in- let's just say that you- this appeals to a lot of different people, by the way. Let's just say you're the garden variety InfoWars person, you've been listening to Alex Jones or-

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Right.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell7:24

       ... you've read Behold a Pale Horse, or you have any kind of connection to conspiracy prognost- prognostications which all say, at some point, the, the- there's gonna be martial law, troops in the streets-

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       Right.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell7:39

       ... and you're seeing this play out. And so, my God. And the- and even worse, imagine you're in the fucking military, and you actually join the military, you're one of those people, September 11th happens, you're like, "I'm gonna defend this country." And suddenly, you're in a bus going to Portland, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think they want to be there. If I had to guess, it's got to be a weird feeling to be in your own country with, like, military-grade weaponry, looking at people in duck costumes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       Yeah, it's a very blunt instrument to deal with a very complex problem.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell8:23

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       And, and first of all, it's the way ... let's just talk about the, the immigration thing. The way it looks is horrific. It looks- it- when you're a- a- just arresting people in front of their kids and just normal, regular people that have been here for 20 years-

   18. DTDuncan Trussell8:37

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       That- everybody who has a heart can't get along with that.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell8:43

       No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       Everybody who has a heart sees that and goes, "That can't be right. That can't be right. That can't be the only way to do this."

   22. DTDuncan Trussell8:49

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       Because you have to think, look, yeah, we have to have a border. Yes, it should have been secure. Yes, they should make sure you know who everybody is before they get in.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell8:58

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       But when people been here for 20 years, like come on, man.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell9:02

       Come on.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       That's crazy. Like-

   28. DTDuncan Trussell9:04

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:05

       ... let's find a way- if they've been productive members of society for 20 years, no criminal record, they worked the entire time-

   30. DTDuncan Trussell9:12

       Yeah.
4. 18:22 – 23:46

   Homelessness, “idiot compassion,” and policy differences that change cities

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:22

      If you've got a city where people are just openly shitting in the streets, sleeping everywhere, needles, you have homeless tent ... You ever see Oakland? You ever see some of those fucking-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell18:32

      Sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:32

      ... homeless tents?

   4. DTDuncan Trussell18:33

      Yeah, dude.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:34

      Those ...... huge villages. Like, this is bananas.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell18:38

      It's bananas.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:38

      This didn't exist when we were kids.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell18:40

      Well, dude, this is the thing. Like, I actually, when I was living in LA and was, like, thinking of like, "What are some fun ways to, like, shit disturb?" I was thinking, "You know what you could do? You could throw a music festival, but you could tell everyone who comes to the music festival to pretend to be homeless. Bring tents, put the tents out. They can't do shit." But if you threw a music festival in LA and didn't get any licensing, like, "You can camp out, it's gonna be awesome," everybody's going to jail.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:10

      (laughs)

   10. DTDuncan Trussell19:10

       You know what I mean? You could do a Burning Man just by, "Guys, we're ... Just if they ask, this is, we're, we're homeless." And you, you would be fine. And it's tha- that-

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:20

       (laughs)

   12. DTDuncan Trussell19:21

       That's the place where-

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       It's true.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell19:23

       ... it gets we- th- this is the problem is it's like, this is what, uh, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche called idiot compassion. There's compassion-

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:33

       Hm.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell19:33

       ... then there's idiot compassion. Now, idiot compassion is thinking that leaving a, a bunch of people out in the streets who have s- are in varying degrees of psychosis and drug addiction and long-term brain injury, and then thinking it's, "Let's just let them do their thing," when they obviously need help. If they were y- if those were 11-year-olds, go back to the kid idea, if those were, like, eight-year-olds, uh, eh, people would be helping them because they're-

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       Right, because they're full-grown. No more help.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell20:05

       Dude, I was, I was ... I'm sorry.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       I was just gonna tell you something.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell20:07

       Oh, sorry.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:08

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   22. DTDuncan Trussell21:38

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       ... where they have different policies, and it's squeaky clean. And the guys who are in the car, they're like, "No fucking way."

   24. DTDuncan Trussell21:45

       That's wild.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       They're like, "This is nuts." Like, it's clear-

   26. DTDuncan Trussell21:48

       That's wild.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:48

       ... that it's, it's policy.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell21:50

       That's wild.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       It's clear. It's how they handle homeless people just camping out in the streets, whether they tolerate it. If you don't tolerate it, your city stays cl- clean. If you tolerate it, you get these massive camps that look n- ev- show a video of the Oakland camps, 'cause they're some of the craziest ones in the country. They're, they're massive, dude.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell22:09

       This is l-
5. 23:46 – 25:51

   A personal story: feeding a homeless man, dehumanization, and small-scale empathy

   1. DTDuncan Trussell23:46

      There's bo- Dude, I, I, th- so, um, okay. I'm gonna virtue signal, but I don't mean to. But it-

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:54

      Okay.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell23:54

      ... it plays into what we're talking about. Uh, and sa- and I ... But before I virtue signal, I just wanna say I never do this shit, unfortunately. I'm, I should. But my kid and I, we, uh, go into a coffee place before school, and there's this, you know, filthy dude sleeping on the street. And my kid is, you know, notices that, and, and is ... And he ... My kid was like, "You know, maybe he's hungry." I'm like, "All right. Let's get him some food." So, get him a little sandwich. Then I got him some coffee. And my kid says to me, "Do you really think this guy needs more addictions, Dad?" (laughs) It's really funny.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:35

      (laughs) Oh my God, that's hilarious.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell24:37

      I'm like, "Guys, coffee's getting... it's an okay addiction." All right? And so, but the other thing he said is, he's like, "That guy looked angry. That guy looked angry."

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:46

      Oh, God.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell24:46

      And I'm like, "No. He's not. No. Really what you're looking at there is, like, he d- he doesn't take showers. That's a really dirty person right now."

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:54

      (laughs)

   9. DTDuncan Trussell24:54

      "He doesn't have access to showers, and they look... when you see them, they can seem really intimidating." And so, we go up there, and somebody told me, "Whenever you give shit to these people, ask them their name." Because they're dehumanized. Like people, they're invisible. No one even looks at them. You try not to look at them, not to make eye contact.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:13

       Right.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell25:14

       So I go up there, and I'm like, I'm like, "Please, please don't let this be some kind of fucking psycho crackhead who starts screaming out demonic babel and like-"

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       (laughs)

   13. DTDuncan Trussell25:22

       "... and ru- ruins any altruism my boy's gonna have for the rest of his life." I'm like, "What's, what's your name?" He's like, "Chris. What's your name?" Nice, Southern, you know, voice. Just sweet as could be. Give him the food. Give him the coffee. He's like, "I was thirsty. Thank you so much." And like, just the sweetest guy ever. And then he's like, "What month is this?" (laughs) Like a time traveler.

6. 25:51 – 30:14

   Alien hybrids and abduction lore: “sexy aliens” and genetic engineering theories

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:51

      Maybe he is. (laughs) I'm reading this, uh, Richard Dolan book. I should, I should clarify, I'm actually listening. And there's a real difference. There is a difference between reading and listening.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell26:02

      I don't-

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:02

      I listen to mostly audio books, but I will say-

   4. DTDuncan Trussell26:04

      Me too.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:04

      ... I read a book-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell26:05

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:05

      ... that I didn't read. But this one I'm listening to. Um, and this Richard Dolan book is all about these different hybrids of aliens and humans that have been encountered in, uh, various people's abduction experiences.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell26:22

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:22

      That are the same story.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell26:23

       Cool.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:23

       Cool. It's the same story over and over and over again.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell26:25

       Cool.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       Universally worldwide. And there's a bunch of different types of hybrids that, uh, this, the, that they've sort of documented.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell26:35

       What are they?

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:36

       Well, they think that what's going on is... The best guess is they're doing some sort of genetic engineering, either on humans or have done it on humans or are using human DNA for maybe another project they're doing. But there's... it has something to do with breeding, and it has something to do with genetic engineering. But like some of them say that they're forced to have sex with female aliens.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell27:05

       Hm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan27:05

       Like a female sex- sexy alien comes in-

   18. DTDuncan Trussell27:08

       Ah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan27:08

       ... and i- this, it's... but it sounds real. It doesn't sound like it really happened, but it sounds like, like if I was an alien, and you know, I was running science experiments-

   20. DTDuncan Trussell27:20

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:21

       ... o- one best way to make it like the least traumatic, to get the jizz outta your body is to devise a, a really hot, like female alien that's mostly like a woman, like almost entirely like a human woman.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell27:37

       (laughs) They do you think they tried other ones before they got to like a hot woman?

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:42

       Yeah. I think every now and then they need some pure human DNA, and that's when they get a dude-

   24. DTDuncan Trussell27:46

       Oh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:46

       ... to fuck her.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell27:47

       Oh, dude. That-

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:48

       And it's probably, they're probably the most sensual- Hm. ... the sweetest 'cause they need the most cum. They want all of it.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell27:55

       Dude.

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:55

       They want all that cum. (laughs)

   30. DTDuncan Trussell27:56

       How lucky are you?
7. 30:14 – 41:45

   Communism stress-tests, meritocracy, and the stock market as a chaos engine

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      ... thought process about communism. What do you think happens to New York? Because this Mamdani fella is gonna win.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell30:22

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Which I think is wild.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell30:25

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      I think it's wild.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell30:27

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      And, uh, I mean, I don't want the people that live there to experience chaos, but if that guy of... any of the things that he said about like releasing prisoners and that... you know, the, the... all the talk about crime-

   8. DTDuncan Trussell30:43

      Well, dude, I mean, look, man-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:45

      Like, what was his... He had some wild take.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell30:48

       Uh, I think that I, I've seen a few of his wild takes, and I can't remember them. They-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       They're like, what? They're like college campus takes on crime.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell30:59

       And-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       You know what I mean?

   14. DTDuncan Trussell31:00

       And seemingly on economics. Like, it does... There is, there is... It, like, it does feel like something I would have done during my acid phase. Like, I would have run on some of his talking points. And, you know, what I love about this country, thank you Jesus for America, is they call it the American experiment.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       Yeah.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell31:18

       And I love it because via democracy, people like him get invited into the laboratory, and it's like, all right, let's see what happens. And we're gonna see. You know, that's the main thing. We're gonna see.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       It's a stress test.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell31:33

       It's a stress test.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       It's a stress test to see if that city can survive four years of that.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell31:36

       But what if it works?

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       Yeah. (laughs)

   22. DTDuncan Trussell31:37

       What if they're wrong, and suddenly New York turns into this, like, shining utopia, no one starving, everyone's happy? As it turns out, we didn't need to keep people in prisons, no more necrophilia on subways.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Mm. Decriminalize sex work. Decriminalize sex work. Holla at your boy.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell31:58

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:59

       Framing it as both mutual aid and an anti-discrimination effort. Oh, mutual aid.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell32:04

       Now, that's a... That is, uh... Since I've been being educated by Carlin, mutual aid is a Marxist communist talking point. That's what they call it, mutual aid.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:15

       Oh.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell32:16

       It's also an anarchist talking point. It's not the worst thing ever.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:19

       Interesting.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell32:19

       But when you hear mutual aid, that, uh, that's, that points... That's... I'm not gonna say it's a dog whistle, but that's essentially, like, one of the, one of the concepts that they work with, which I, I actually... I, I kind of, I kind of like that, uh, concept of mutual aid.
8. 41:45 – 50:20

   Speed, drugs, and the algorithm as the new addictive substance

   1. DTDuncan Trussell41:45

      It's the American dream. Well, this, well, you know, I'll tell you, back when everybody was doing blow in this country-

   2. JRJoe Rogan41:51

      Back in the good old days.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell41:52

      ... the good old days, when they put cocaine in, in Coca-Cola, there's a, there's, there's a precedent for speed in our country. This isn't the first time there's been a speed craze in our country. Like, Freud was, like, shooting up cocaine. Like, like, the, like, this was ... People thought that it was a cure for a malaise that was afflicting people, and they said that malaise was a result of things getting too fast in society-

   4. JRJoe Rogan42:21

      Mm.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell42:21

      Because of trains and stuff. Now, this is back, before computers, and they were already like, "Shit's moving too fast. We gotta do blow to keep up with it."

   6. JRJoe Rogan42:30

      No way.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell42:30

      Yes! Yes!

   8. JRJoe Rogan42:31

      That's why they started doing blow?

   9. DTDuncan Trussell42:33

      Oh, fuck, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan42:33

       Okay, here's the f- here's a real question. We know that coca leaves have existed forever, but when did they first figure out how to make cocaine?

   11. DTDuncan Trussell42:40

       Um-

   12. JRJoe Rogan42:41

       Let's guess. We'll put it into Perplexity, but we'll make a guess.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell42:44

       Okay, okay. (making sounds with mouth)

   14. JRJoe Rogan42:45

       It's one of our sponsors.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell42:46

       I'm going to... I'm gonna say... Okay.

   16. JRJoe Rogan42:53

       You have to turn coca leaves into cocaine that you could snort.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell42:56

       Seve- I'm gonna say s- somewhere, like, 1750.

   18. JRJoe Rogan43:02

       Whoa. Really? Um, I'm gonna say 1900s.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell43:09

       I'm gonna say you're probably right. You fucked up my whole thing, but let's look it up.

   20. JRJoe Rogan43:12

       I wanna say, like, I wanna say, like, 1902 or some shit. Because I bet before that, they were just chewing it, like those high-altitude herding people do. You know, the, the, those animal herders? They chew the shit out of that stuff and it gives them energy. It's like a flat-level energy, superior to caffeine, supposedly.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell43:27

       Oh, I've heard it's great, but I doubt it's good for your stomach.

   22. JRJoe Rogan43:29

       I heard it's great. I haven't tried it, but I do see, um, people that do chew it, they, their teeth get all fucked up. I tried the tea once.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell43:36

       How was it?

   24. JRJoe Rogan43:37

       It's called... It's good, but I couldn't shut the fuck up. It was a real problem.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell43:40

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan43:40

       And I was like, "I'm not... I can't shut the fuck up normally. I should never do coke." (laughs)

   27. DTDuncan Trussell43:47

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan43:47

       I was hanging out with Stanhope at his hotel and I was like, "Dude, I can't shut the fuck up."

   29. DTDuncan Trussell43:51

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan43:51

       It's just hilarious.
9. 50:20 – 57:44

   Echo chambers, mob mentality, and war instincts triggered by protests and feeds

   1. JRJoe Rogan50:20

      Well, this is what it is. I, what I'm saying that, like, when you're on the ground, like, any time there's a protest, a protest is too much like war. 'Cause you're marching together and y- there's a lot of energy and there's a cause and people are yelling and it ignites the feeling of war.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell50:39

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan50:39

      The, the same way when you go fishing, you don't know why, but e- even you take a little kid fishing. The moment they catch that fish, moment it's on the hook, they're ah, ah.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell50:48

      Yeah. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan50:48

      They get so excited because you're genetically rewarded. Like, your hormones fire up, your endorphins fire up-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell50:55

      Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan50:57

      ... because h- historically, throughout human history, that was the way you were gonna be able to feed yourself.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell51:01

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan51:01

      So the, this is built into you. When you're marching and you're all saying the same things-

   10. DTDuncan Trussell51:06

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan51:06

       ... and you're on the streets and you're all in agreement, you're a gang.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell51:09

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan51:09

       All right? You're a, you're a mob and-

   14. DTDuncan Trussell51:11

       That's it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan51:11

       ... you're about to go to war. And anybody that gets in front of you, "Fuck you! Move your fucking car!"

   16. DTDuncan Trussell51:15

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan51:16

       People get completely unreasonable.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell51:18

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan51:18

       And it, it's totally tolerated. Not just tolerated, but it's supported by a bunch of other people who will just start kicking the car.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell51:25

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan51:25

       People that would never kick a car in polite society.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell51:27

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan51:28

       They'll start kicking cars, "Fuck you!" They get, they get ramped up, man. And that's what mob mentality is.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell51:34

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan51:34

       Mob mentality is ancient war patterns.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell51:38

       That's it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan51:38

       Ancient war patterns-

   28. DTDuncan Trussell51:40

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan51:40

       ... that get ignited when people are on the street chanting, "Ah, yeah!"

   30. DTDuncan Trussell51:44

       Yeah.
10. 57:44 – 1:15:31

    AI fears, whistleblowers, and “digital god” narratives (Altman/Tucker tension)

    1. DTDuncan Trussell57:44

       Or, this is where it gets really scary to me. You, it's not, at least in your own mind, you're not thinking, "I wanna control the fucking world."

    2. JRJoe Rogan57:53

       Right.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell57:54

       You're thinking, "Oh, dear God, this technology that I worked on is about to wake up. We already have iterations of it that are infinitely smarter-

    4. JRJoe Rogan58:03

       Mmm.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell58:03

       ... than anyone I've ever met. I don't know if th- if it's been manipulating me or not, because it seems to have a Hannibal Lecter's ability to control my psyche even when I don't want it to. We've done the studies. Seven people in my company have committed suicide because of contact with this fucking thing."

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:18

       Whoa.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell58:18

       "Holy shit, we gotta do something."

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:19

       Hold on, seven people. So is, did you just make that up? Seven people?

    9. DTDuncan Trussell58:21

       I made it up.

    10. JRJoe Rogan58:22

        Okay.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell58:22

        But I'm, I mean, no, if I'm doing a movie about it, a Lovecraftian movie about somebody who-

    12. JRJoe Rogan58:26

        I thought maybe you knew something about some AI suicides-

    13. DTDuncan Trussell58:29

        No, I don't.

    14. JRJoe Rogan58:29

        ... 'cause I'm waiting on those.

    15. DTDuncan Trussell58:30

        No, I don't. I d- well, I mean, we do have people committing suicide, but only 'cause like they, they like, the, they, they updated, they patched the AI girlfriend or whatever, and it's like basically someone you were in love with died. I heard that happen.

    16. JRJoe Rogan58:42

        Did you see the podcast where Tucker Carlson was talking to Sam Altman?

    17. DTDuncan Trussell58:49

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan58:50

        And he essentially was saying that he doesn't believe that this guy who was a whistleblower who, who killed himself, uh, he doesn't believe that he killed himself. And then-

    19. DTDuncan Trussell59:03

        Altman said that?

    20. JRJoe Rogan59:03

        No. Tucker was saying this to Altman.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell59:06

        Oh. What did Altman say?

    22. JRJoe Rogan59:08

        I- it is, he's like, it's, "I, it sounds like you're accusing me of, of killing him. First of all, we worked together, and I cared about him very much. And it's like I had nothing to do with it. The police said that it was a suicide." And then Tucker was talking about how the guy had just ordered food, and about, um, there were signs of struggle. And he was just saying a bunch of different things that get in, and Sam Altman's like, "It sounds like you're accusing me of killing him."

    23. DTDuncan Trussell59:33

        Right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan59:34

        It was very tense.

    25. DTDuncan Trussell59:36

        I, you know-

    26. JRJoe Rogan59:37

        Like very, very c- it's kind of a crazy conversation to see happen between a guy who is in charge of making a digital god and a guy who's accusing him of possibly being-

    27. DTDuncan Trussell59:49

        Fuck.

    28. JRJoe Rogan59:49

        ... or not even accusing him. He's just bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe... Not accusing him at all, actually. Just, but bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe that that guy committed suicide, and that his parents don't believe that he committed suicide.

    29. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:04

        Holy shit.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

        And there was no indications-
11. 1:15:31 – 1:28:03

    Human origins, UAP ocean bases, and the “40,000-year creativity gene” claim

    1. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:31

       By aliens?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:32

       There's wei-... There's weird genes. There's weird genes in humans that seem to be fused. I'll butcher it, but the point is there's, there's something weird about human genetics that indicate that, um, there's a specific gene ... (sighs) What is it? I... God, I w- wish I could remember what it's called. But it, it aligns with creativity and it seems to have emerged from roughly 40,000 years ago.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell1:15:59

       Whoa.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:16:00

       And if you go back 40,000 years, that's when this, like, giant explosion of cave art comes.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:05

       Huh.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:16:05

       And, like, you start seeing, like, the, those, the... You ever see the Werner Herzog documentary on the caves?

    7. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:10

       Fucking love it.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:16:11

       Oh my God, man. Like, what were they doing? Like, this is crazy. There are th- this beautiful cave art-

    9. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:17

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:16:17

        ... by these people. Well, this is, there's this theory that this, this gene emerged somewhere around 40,000 years ago and they thought that maybe the gene came from... Uh, so this gene ... Okay, I'm getting it now. The gene is only transferred through, um, genetics. It's only, it's only transferred through, um, through mating. And it has to be from another species of human. And so they look-

    11. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:45

        Hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:16:45

        ... for it in Neanderthal and it doesn't exist in Neanderthal. Uh, every Neanderthal that they've tested the g- did the gene-

    13. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:52

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:16:52

        ... sequencing, it doesn't have this. And then they tried some other hominids. They don't have it either. So it seems-

    15. DTDuncan Trussell1:16:57

        He... It couldn't be a natural mutation?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:16:59

        Right. It couldn't be. No, because the way it e-... I'm gonna butcher it. But it's the way, uh, somehow or another the, the genes are fused together that it looks like it was manipulated. And that... It could be bullshit, I know. But they were saying that this gene doesn't als-... It also doesn't exist in Denisovans. So if it doesn't exist in Denisovans, they don't find it there and they don't find it in Neanderthal, why is it in people and why is it around 40,000 years ago? This is it. This is it. He claims that, um, microcephalin D allele-

    17. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:29

        D.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:17:29

        ... allele?

    19. DTDuncan Trussell1:17:29

        I was gonna say that. I was thinking it's part of the D allele.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:17:31

        D allele. I think it's D allele. Is a genetic variant that appeared around 40,000 years ago and is associated with the maturation and expansion of brain tissue. He suggests that the origin of this allele could be from interbreeding with an extraterrestrial species, ha- aliens, rather than from Neanderthals or Denisovans. Dolan highlights that this allele is not found in the genetic makeup of these ancient human relatives, which leads him to speculate that it might be, might have been introduced into the human genome pool by alien beings with either similar biological characteristics or advanced genetic engineering capabilities.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:07

        Wow.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:18:08

        Da, da, da.

    23. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:08

        Boom, boom, boom.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:18:08

        This is, this claim is a part of Dolan's broader hypothesis that alien intervention could explain sudden advanced cognitive abilities in early humans.

    25. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:17

        Wow. Wow.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:18:18

        So imagine if we were, like, this just crazy ant farm to make AI and that, uh, you just have to figure out how to incentivize them enough to keep making computers and you hide in the ocean while all this is happening.

    27. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:29

        Yeah. Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:18:29

        You got this fucking fat base-

    29. DTDuncan Trussell1:18:31

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:18:31

        ... at the bottom of the ocean because you're from, you know, a million years more advanced civilization.

Episode duration: 2:41:55