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Joe Rogan Experience #2391 - Duncan Trussell

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast, and voice of "Hippocampus" on the television series "Krapopolis." https://www.duncantrussell.com https://www.youtube.com/@duncantrussellfamilyhour Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/ROGANYT to get 4 months free! Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan

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  1. 0:00 – 1:47

    Catholicism, modern stereotypes, and why labels get “muddy”

    1. DT

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Hello, Duncan.

    4. DT

      Hello, Joe.

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. DT

      Hello.

    7. JR

      Father. Father Trussell.

    8. DT

      Father. Hello, Father Rogan.

    9. JR

      Um, are we allowed to do this?

    10. DT

      What?

    11. JR

      This religion you can kind of goof on a little bit.

    12. DT

      Catholicism?

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. DT

      Uh ...

    15. JR

      They get testy.

    16. DT

      I don't ... You know, eh, having now gone to a, a f- more than a few Catholic masses, which are beautiful, and hung out with Catholics, who are awesome, I've really had to reconfigure everything I used to think about it, because they're just really sweet. Had a long conversation with a priest, brilliant dude, totally like non-judgmental, kinda intellectual, you know?

    17. JR

      Hmm.

    18. DT

      Philosophical. Like right away, I'm like, "Oh, you should- I want, I should have this guy on my podcast."

    19. JR

      Interesting.

    20. DT

      Yeah. It wasn't ... It's not what ... It's the-

    21. JR

      Hmm.

    22. DT

      You know, I feel like the Christianity that most people are angry at is not even Christianity. It's-

    23. JR

      You know what I think it's like?

    24. DT

      What?

    25. JR

      Like saying that you're a liberal person. 'Cause I'm pretty liberal and you're pretty liberal.

    26. DT

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      In the greater spectrum-

    28. DT

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... but then you get lumped in with ANTIFA.

    30. DT

      That's the pro-

  2. 1:47 – 6:41

    Portland protests, ANTIFA, and why economic stress fuels revolution fantasies

    1. DT

      So when you're looking at like Portland, um, the- the protesters in Portland.

    2. JR

      Yeah, what exactly is going on in Portland? I'm trying not to pay attention.

    3. DT

      Oh, well, what's happened is-

    4. JR

      I know they've, eh, brought in the National Guard. Is that happening?

    5. DT

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      Or they tried to and they got blocked?

    7. DT

      No, I think they have now. I think they're there. So what's happened is, they're in front of the ICE facility. There are ongoing protests at night. Now, it's f- I, I watch these streams (laughs) and I've been watching a self-professed fascist named Karlyn who drinks and, and, and, (laughs) and basically roasts these live streams. But weirdly, she like, sh- well, she, she has apparently embedded herself with ANTIFA before and so sh- it's such a funny stream 'cause like-

    8. JR

      So they tolerate her?

    9. DT

      Oh, no. Not anymore. She like ... No, no, no, no. She's like ... I mean, I don't know if she's trolling or not, but on her stream, she's like, "I am a fascist."

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. DT

      So she's a- proudly proclaiming she's a fascist. I don't know how much of that is trolling, how much of it is real, but conservatives who are drawn to her stream will say things like, "These people are funded by George Soros." And it's the funniest thing 'cause she gets so mad and she's like, "Get off fucking Fox News! Stop watching that shit! It's all wrong! These ... do these people look funded? Do these people look like they have money? They're not funded." It's, it's ... so and, and I guess her bigger point is by saying these are funded agitators and not saying what they actually are, which is anti-capitalist revolutionaries, you dilute what's really happening because what's really happening, according to her and I think a, a fair amount of people, is that the economy's so fucked, the middle class is diminishing so much, the cost of living is so high that this is the til- the perfect soil you need if you wanted communism to grow anywhere because you're some kid, you've been like th- glued to Reddit or TikTok, you've been getting your fucking amygdala jerked off on-

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. DT

      ... by the devil, you're, you're just filled with like unease, you've watched assassinations, attempted assassinations-

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. DT

      ... the banking crisis, all of it, and it's like then you ... Like some Marxist theorist starts telling you a little bit about like-

    16. JR

      Dismantling capitalism.

    17. DT

      You got it.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. DT

      And, you know, e- I don't know, man. Back when I was in liberal arts school, if shit was the way it was and some, especially if it was a, like some hot goth girl started talking to me a little bit-

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. DT

      ... of- about dismantling capitalism, I think I would be like, "Yeah, let's dismantle!" But that ... So that's ... What you're seeing there, uh, the, the breakdown of it is that the s- Democrats and Republicans, what they have in common is they believe in private property and they, they believe the power of the state should be used to protect private property and so anti-capitalists, communists, w- they would- they think that that's just fucked up. Essent- the, the breakdown of it, as far as I could tell ... Sorry all the communists out there, I'm gonna ruin Marxism, a- just, um, saying I don't ... It's very complex, you know, but from what I understand, the idea is this. You have a bunch of money. You buy a factory. You hire someone to run the factory. You get a bunch of workers to go into the factory. The workers are the ones who are making money for you. They are the ones who are skilled. You just knew what number to call. Got yourself a factory, got yourself managers for the factory. You are now going to take a huge cut of the profit and the workers are not gonna get very much at all. And Karl Marx, as I understand it, was saying, "That's bullshit." Like all you do is buy an apartment, keep it, keep it sort of painted in between tenants, and sit back and collect money. Why?... just 'cause you had some money, and then when you look at the way money flows uphill, you see this creates a perfect situation for a, a, a world of renters, a world of workers, a world of people getting paid minimum wage, while the, the person who owns the means of production gets the most money. And so, this is a growing sentiment in the world right now.

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. DT

      And, and honestly, it's like, you're working two fucking jobs, you're getting paid minimum wage, you know what- how much the CEOs are making.

  3. 6:41 – 13:47

    Immigration enforcement vs compassion: the moral and practical collision

    1. JR

      Or how about the people that came into this country because they were told that the borders were open-

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... they establish their life here for four years.

    4. DT

      20 years.

    5. JR

      Or how about the most recent ones even, and then all of a sudden you're getting hunted down.

    6. DT

      Yeah, hunted, fucking hunted down. Now this, and let's forget- let's just-

    7. JR

      Well, that- wouldn't that start this idea as well? Wouldn't that feed into the idea-

    8. DT

      Well, yeah.

    9. JR

      ... of dissolving the state?

    10. DT

      Absolutely. You're, you're watching this shit, you know, and, and, and you're, you're high as a kite, you're watching this stuff, in- let's just say that you- this appeals to a lot of different people, by the way. Let's just say you're the garden variety InfoWars person, you've been listening to Alex Jones or-

    11. JR

      Right.

    12. DT

      ... you've read Behold a Pale Horse, or you have any kind of connection to conspiracy prognost- prognostications which all say, at some point, the, the- there's gonna be martial law, troops in the streets-

    13. JR

      Right.

    14. DT

      ... and you're seeing this play out. And so, my God. And the- and even worse, imagine you're in the fucking military, and you actually join the military, you're one of those people, September 11th happens, you're like, "I'm gonna defend this country." And suddenly, you're in a bus going to Portland, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think they want to be there. If I had to guess, it's got to be a weird feeling to be in your own country with, like, military-grade weaponry, looking at people in duck costumes.

    15. JR

      Yeah, it's a very blunt instrument to deal with a very complex problem.

    16. DT

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      And, and first of all, it's the way ... let's just talk about the, the immigration thing. The way it looks is horrific. It looks- it- when you're a- a- just arresting people in front of their kids and just normal, regular people that have been here for 20 years-

    18. DT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      That- everybody who has a heart can't get along with that.

    20. DT

      No.

    21. JR

      Everybody who has a heart sees that and goes, "That can't be right. That can't be right. That can't be the only way to do this."

    22. DT

      Right.

    23. JR

      Because you have to think, look, yeah, we have to have a border. Yes, it should have been secure. Yes, they should make sure you know who everybody is before they get in.

    24. DT

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      But when people been here for 20 years, like come on, man.

    26. DT

      Come on.

    27. JR

      That's crazy. Like-

    28. DT

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... let's find a way- if they've been productive members of society for 20 years, no criminal record, they worked the entire time-

    30. DT

      Yeah.

  4. 13:47 – 20:08

    Authoritarian creep, “Death Wish” politics, and the appeal of troops in the streets

    1. DT

      No idea. No idea. But you, you see how, you know ... And I hate using this word because the word is getting thrown around so much and it's a stupid fu- Well, you didn't say that word. I'll say authoritarianism.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. DT

      You see how it, how authoritarianism, when it begins to emerge, um, it's not like it's, like, non-consensual. You see how it slowly, slowly creeps in and how there's a great many people directly impacted by, um, people who have, um, uh, y- crossed the border without using the right protocol and in a terrific way. And, and there are gangs that have been in apartment complexes. There's, there's people who've seen those videos too.

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. DT

      And they're like, "Fuck yeah. Yeah, fu-" And also, a lot of people who got citizenship the regular way and went through fucking hell to get citizenship here, they're also like, "Fuck them. They're cutting in line, these motherfuckers. They're w- gumming up the system. They're making it so that we who f- are following the rules, not only it's taking us longer, but also now we have to deal with ICE too." So, those people are pissed. So there is a contingent of people, uh, who maybe feel the same thing all of us are feeling but also are like, "But, you know, w- w- what's worse?" You know? "I, I ... Like, I'm ..." You know?

    6. JR

      This is how I think the, the only way to do it would be where you could get a- everyone on your side. Borders are closed, and we're gonna find out who's committed felonies, who out of the people that are illegal that have committed felonies. And if you've committed X amount of felonies, you have, you have to leave the country.

    7. DT

      Sh- Yeah.

    8. JR

      Right?

    9. DT

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      If you've been robbing people for the last 10 years and you're an illegal, you have to leave the country. Right? That makes sense.

    11. DT

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      But if you've been here for 25 years, you have a family, your kids go to school here, you speak the language, you're just illegal. But you're a contributing member to the community-

    13. DT

      Totally.

    14. JR

      ... that up until now has been protected. This is crazy to ask lower income and, and middle income people who are, you know, kinda getting by, and then all of a sudden you're about to ship them to a country where they've never been, they haven't been since-

    15. DT

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... they were four.

    17. DT

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      And you're gonna, you're gonna b- pull up their family and pull up ... And th- they've been in the community like that. That s- that shows no heart, and that's the problem. Like, you're not gonna get any reasonable people to wanna go along with that. Any kind person would look at that and go, "There's ... This can't be the only way to do this."

    19. DT

      Damn right. But, but, you see, once authoritarianism starts creeping in and it makes some inroads, which it's definitely making right now, man, it's definitely making right now. And when ... And you know, I think one thing both of us have in common is we're really good at, like, thinking from the other perspective. Like-

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. DT

      ... I can put myself fully into the mind of like a super paranoid person who lives in a city that's all fucked up and who's like, "Yeah." It's like y- Remember that awesome show where it's like one of those vengeance shows where that, that this dad, his family gets fucked up by gang members and then he just goes and starts shooting people? In ... Charles Bronson?

    22. JR

      Oh, yeah. Death Wish.

    23. DT

      Death Wish!

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. DT

      Right? So there's a lot of people who are in Death Wish mode right now, and they're just like, "Fuck yeah! Get the troops in the fucking streets. These motherfuckers, I get my car broken into-"

    26. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    27. DT

      "... every fucking night. Nothing's happening. Let's go!" And from, you know, their perspective, it all makes sense. But the problem is once we all start getting used to the military in the streets ...

    28. JR

      And once we just accept it, yeah.

    29. DT

      That's no good.

    30. JR

      But it's like, how bad does the police have to get at doing their job? Or is it the upper management that institutes policies, or is it that the people vote these policies in? But whatever it is that allows the kind of fucking chaos that you can find in Portland.

  5. 20:08 – 23:46

    Homeless encampments, ‘idiot compassion,’ and policy borders you can see on the street

    1. JR

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    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... where they have different policies, and it's squeaky clean. And the guys who are in the car, they're like, "No fucking way."

    4. DT

      That's wild.

    5. JR

      They're like, "This is nuts." Like, it's clear-

    6. DT

      That's wild.

    7. JR

      ... that it's, it's policy.

    8. DT

      That's wild.

    9. JR

      It's clear. It's how they handle homeless people just camping out in the streets, whether they tolerate it. If you don't tolerate it, your city stays cl- clean. If you tolerate it, you get these massive camps that look n- ev- show a video of the Oakland camps, 'cause they're some of the craziest ones in the country. They're, they're massive, dude.

    10. DT

      This is l-

    11. JR

      It's like ... Downtown LA is another one.

    12. DT

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      Downtown LA has some pockets where you're like, "This is"-

    14. DT

      Holy shit.

    15. JR

      ... "nuts."

    16. DT

      Holy shit. It's an open-air combination mental asylum, drug market, uh-

    17. JR

      They had a fire. They're tapping into-

    18. DT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... electrical lines.

    20. DT

      Yeah, yeah, and they just, it just happens. Like, you, you, you ... And they, and they do, you know-

    21. JR

      Look at this.

    22. DT

      Holy shit.

    23. JR

      Dude.

    24. DT

      Wouldn't want to walk barefoot around there, man.

    25. JR

      It says, the, this video is the Oakland, California homeless problem is beyond belief.

    26. DT

      Wow.

    27. JR

      So it's just shanty towns-

    28. DT

      Wow.

    29. JR

      ... of crazy people.

    30. DT

      Wow.

  6. 23:46 – 25:51

    Humanizing homelessness: Duncan’s story with his kid and the power of asking a name

    1. DT

      There's bo- Dude, I, I, th- so, um, okay. I'm gonna virtue signal, but I don't mean to. But it-

    2. JR

      Okay.

    3. DT

      ... it plays into what we're talking about. Uh, and sa- and I ... But before I virtue signal, I just wanna say I never do this shit, unfortunately. I'm, I should. But my kid and I, we, uh, go into a coffee place before school, and there's this, you know, filthy dude sleeping on the street. And my kid is, you know, notices that, and, and is ... And he ... My kid was like, "You know, maybe he's hungry." I'm like, "All right. Let's get him some food." So, get him a little sandwich. Then I got him some coffee. And my kid says to me, "Do you really think this guy needs more addictions, Dad?" (laughs) It's really funny.

    4. JR

      (laughs) Oh my God, that's hilarious.

    5. DT

      I'm like, "Guys, coffee's getting... it's an okay addiction." All right? And so, but the other thing he said is, he's like, "That guy looked angry. That guy looked angry."

    6. JR

      Oh, God.

    7. DT

      And I'm like, "No. He's not. No. Really what you're looking at there is, like, he d- he doesn't take showers. That's a really dirty person right now."

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. DT

      "He doesn't have access to showers, and they look... when you see them, they can seem really intimidating." And so, we go up there, and somebody told me, "Whenever you give shit to these people, ask them their name." Because they're dehumanized. Like people, they're invisible. No one even looks at them. You try not to look at them, not to make eye contact.

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. DT

      So I go up there, and I'm like, I'm like, "Please, please don't let this be some kind of fucking psycho crackhead who starts screaming out demonic babel and like-"

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. DT

      "... and ru- ruins any altruism my boy's gonna have for the rest of his life." I'm like, "What's, what's your name?" He's like, "Chris. What's your name?" Nice, Southern, you know, voice. Just sweet as could be. Give him the food. Give him the coffee. He's like, "I was thirsty. Thank you so much." And like, just the sweetest guy ever. And then he's like, "What month is this?" (laughs) Like a time traveler.

  7. 25:51 – 30:14

    From homelessness to aliens: hybrid abduction lore, ‘sexy alien’ tropes, and pop culture detours

    1. JR

      Maybe he is. (laughs) I'm reading this, uh, Richard Dolan book. I should, I should clarify, I'm actually listening. And there's a real difference. There is a difference between reading and listening.

    2. DT

      I don't-

    3. JR

      I listen to mostly audio books, but I will say-

    4. DT

      Me too.

    5. JR

      ... I read a book-

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... that I didn't read. But this one I'm listening to. Um, and this Richard Dolan book is all about these different hybrids of aliens and humans that have been encountered in, uh, various people's abduction experiences.

    8. DT

      Wow.

    9. JR

      That are the same story.

    10. DT

      Cool.

    11. JR

      Cool. It's the same story over and over and over again.

    12. DT

      Cool.

    13. JR

      Universally worldwide. And there's a bunch of different types of hybrids that, uh, this, the, that they've sort of documented.

    14. DT

      What are they?

    15. JR

      Well, they think that what's going on is... The best guess is they're doing some sort of genetic engineering, either on humans or have done it on humans or are using human DNA for maybe another project they're doing. But there's... it has something to do with breeding, and it has something to do with genetic engineering. But like some of them say that they're forced to have sex with female aliens.

    16. DT

      Hm.

    17. JR

      Like a female sex- sexy alien comes in-

    18. DT

      Ah.

    19. JR

      ... and i- this, it's... but it sounds real. It doesn't sound like it really happened, but it sounds like, like if I was an alien, and you know, I was running science experiments-

    20. DT

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      ... o- one best way to make it like the least traumatic, to get the jizz outta your body is to devise a, a really hot, like female alien that's mostly like a woman, like almost entirely like a human woman.

    22. DT

      (laughs) They do you think they tried other ones before they got to like a hot woman?

    23. JR

      Yeah. I think every now and then they need some pure human DNA, and that's when they get a dude-

    24. DT

      Oh.

    25. JR

      ... to fuck her.

    26. DT

      Oh, dude. That-

    27. JR

      And it's probably, they're probably the most sensual- Hm. ... the sweetest 'cause they need the most cum. They want all of it.

    28. DT

      Dude.

    29. JR

      They want all that cum. (laughs)

    30. DT

      How lucky are you?

  8. 30:14 – 36:59

    Communism, NYC politics, and the ‘mutual aid’ dog-whistle debate

    1. JR

      ... thought process about communism. What do you think happens to New York? Because this Mamdani fella is gonna win.

    2. DT

      Oh, yeah.

    3. JR

      Which I think is wild.

    4. DT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      I think it's wild.

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      And, uh, I mean, I don't want the people that live there to experience chaos, but if that guy of... any of the things that he said about like releasing prisoners and that... you know, the, the... all the talk about crime-

    8. DT

      Well, dude, I mean, look, man-

    9. JR

      Like, what was his... He had some wild take.

    10. DT

      Uh, I think that I, I've seen a few of his wild takes, and I can't remember them. They-

    11. JR

      They're like, what? They're like college campus takes on crime.

    12. DT

      And-

    13. JR

      You know what I mean?

    14. DT

      And seemingly on economics. Like, it does... There is, there is... It, like, it does feel like something I would have done during my acid phase. Like, I would have run on some of his talking points. And, you know, what I love about this country, thank you Jesus for America, is they call it the American experiment.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. DT

      And I love it because via democracy, people like him get invited into the laboratory, and it's like, all right, let's see what happens. And we're gonna see. You know, that's the main thing. We're gonna see.

    17. JR

      It's a stress test.

    18. DT

      It's a stress test.

    19. JR

      It's a stress test to see if that city can survive four years of that.

    20. DT

      But what if it works?

    21. JR

      Yeah. (laughs)

    22. DT

      What if they're wrong, and suddenly New York turns into this, like, shining utopia, no one starving, everyone's happy? As it turns out, we didn't need to keep people in prisons, no more necrophilia on subways.

    23. JR

      Mm. Decriminalize sex work. Decriminalize sex work. Holla at your boy.

    24. DT

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      Framing it as both mutual aid and an anti-discrimination effort. Oh, mutual aid.

    26. DT

      Now, that's a... That is, uh... Since I've been being educated by Carlin, mutual aid is a Marxist communist talking point. That's what they call it, mutual aid.

    27. JR

      Oh.

    28. DT

      It's also an anarchist talking point. It's not the worst thing ever.

    29. JR

      Interesting.

    30. DT

      But when you hear mutual aid, that, uh, that's, that points... That's... I'm not gonna say it's a dog whistle, but that's essentially, like, one of the, one of the concepts that they work with, which I, I actually... I, I kind of, I kind of like that, uh, concept of mutual aid.

  9. 36:59 – 48:21

    Stock market as casino, high-frequency trading, and alienation from “reality, reality”

    1. JR

      It's, uh, it's 100% shareholders.

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      I mean, it's a big part of it. You, you have an obligation.

    4. DT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      If you're the CEO, you have an obligation to your shareholders.

    6. DT

      Your shareholders.

    7. JR

      So is that, and is the whole, the whole, just the stock market thing in general, imagine if there was no stock market, it didn't exist. You could never gamble on companies.

    8. DT

      Yeah. Yeah.

    9. JR

      You couldn't buy a little piece of Apple-

    10. DT

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      ... you know, buy a little piece of IBM.

    12. DT

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      What ... Imagine if that didn't exist, and you could only make a business-

    14. DT

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... and then profit off your business.

    16. DT

      (laughs) Yeah.

    17. JR

      Wouldn't that be, like, steadier? (laughs)

    18. DT

      Comrade, comrade, I love where you're going. The dissolution of the stock market, that's a good place to start.

    19. JR

      It's just, the stock mar- I'm not saying we should, just don't get me wrong, and I'm not saying I don't own stocks. But what I'm saying is, it's a crazy idea to have little pieces of companies that you can buy-

    20. DT

      Crazy.

    21. JR

      ... and then use that money to get the company going, and you go public-

    22. DT

      Crazy. Sure.

    23. JR

      ... and you're taking some fucking money, and then you're on the boat, and then you got the board meeting.

    24. DT

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      It's like ... And you're constantly rising and falling with the Dow.

    26. DT

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Like, what?

    28. DT

      The Dow Jones Industrial Average.

    29. JR

      Oh, God.

    30. DT

      It's like-

  10. 48:21 – 58:42

    Algorithms as the new drug: echo chambers, mob instincts, and engineered fear

    1. DT

      Yeah. Dude, I, it is, that to me, like, and I'm generally, like, I really, like, government regulation freaks me out, uh, most of the time. But fuck, man. We gotta do something about this algorithm 'cause it's driving people crazy. We've got people out of their fucking mind. There needs to at least be education in schools to explain to you that because you are getting...... a certain type of content, that does not mean that's what everybody's looking at. And I'm not sure people realize that and it's making people have very strong opinions that they think are backed up by big groups of people. They don't understand, it's like, no. Like, I sent my wife, I don't know why I did this, I sent her a picture of a legless pregnant woman.

    2. JR

      Jesus.

    3. DT

      Very sexy legless pregnant woman. And then the algorithm, all I'm getting is sexy amputees. And-

    4. JR

      Oh, boy.

    5. DT

      You know what I mean? And I don't think people understand that when you're getting, like, political shit served up to you, that is not indicating-

    6. JR

      What everybody's getting.

    7. DT

      No. It doesn't mean there's-

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. DT

      ... a con- you have a-

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. DT

      There's consensus here.

    12. JR

      Well, that's also why people get so confused when the cultural divide is so, so str- it's such a wall. The difference between what people accept as being reality versus what people are willing to challenge-

    13. DT

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      ... versus, you know-

    15. DT

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... it's just, the difference is on both sides. If they're so ... because they, they have these echo chambers and they really do believe that everybody around them agrees with them. And then if you're in, like, normal jobs, normal castrated jobs, you know, normal job where you have to go in there and pretend to be somebody else-

    17. DT

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... all day long and you're so bored-

    19. DT

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      ... and you can't wait to get the fuck out of there.

    21. DT

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      That's, that's another factor. So-

    23. DT

      Yeah, man. It's nuts, dude.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. DT

      What's that ... At the mothership, you were talking about m- I don't wanna fuck up one of your jokes. You-

    26. JR

      What is it about?

    27. DT

      Mobs.

    28. JR

      Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    29. DT

      But, you know, the-

    30. JR

      Well, this is what it is. I, what I'm saying that, like, when you're on the ground, like, any time there's a protest, a protest is too much like war. 'Cause you're marching together and y- there's a lot of energy and there's a cause and people are yelling and it ignites the feeling of war.

  11. 58:42 – 1:11:17

    Tucker/Altman tension, ‘political idolatry,’ and Ram Dass-style channel switching

    1. JR

      Did you see the podcast where Tucker Carlson was talking to Sam Altman?

    2. DT

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      And he essentially was saying that he doesn't believe that this guy who was a whistleblower who, who killed himself, uh, he doesn't believe that he killed himself. And then-

    4. DT

      Altman said that?

    5. JR

      No. Tucker was saying this to Altman.

    6. DT

      Oh. What did Altman say?

    7. JR

      I- it is, he's like, it's, "I, it sounds like you're accusing me of, of killing him. First of all, we worked together, and I cared about him very much. And it's like I had nothing to do with it. The police said that it was a suicide." And then Tucker was talking about how the guy had just ordered food, and about, um, there were signs of struggle. And he was just saying a bunch of different things that get in, and Sam Altman's like, "It sounds like you're accusing me of killing him."

    8. DT

      Right.

    9. JR

      It was very tense.

    10. DT

      I, you know-

    11. JR

      Like very, very c- it's kind of a crazy conversation to see happen between a guy who is in charge of making a digital god and a guy who's accusing him of possibly being-

    12. DT

      Fuck.

    13. JR

      ... or not even accusing him. He's just bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe... Not accusing him at all, actually. Just, but bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe that that guy committed suicide, and that his parents don't believe that he committed suicide.

    14. DT

      Holy shit.

    15. JR

      And there was no indications-

    16. DT

      It was weird.

    17. JR

      ... that he was suicidal.

    18. DT

      It was... How, I wonder what Tucker Carlson's security detail looks like.

    19. JR

      It must be like a Chuck Norris movie.

    20. DT

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      (laughs) 'Cause that's what it fucking... (laughs) It sh- it must be like one of them Delta Force movies-

    22. DT

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      ... where there's like 40 Dolph Lundgren buff dudes around him at all times.

    24. DT

      (gasps) Pit bulls.

    25. JR

      Like what the fuck, dude?

    26. DT

      Dude, I know. Like that, I w- yeah, I worry about him of all the people. It's like, holy shit, that guy is not afraid to poke every goddamn wasp nest there is.

    27. JR

      I know, and he's, it's like that's a lot of pressure.

    28. DT

      Dude.

    29. JR

      That is a lot of pressure being that guy.

    30. DT

      Yeah, man. Yeah.

  12. 1:11:17 – 1:28:03

    AI as destiny: superorganism theory, alien genetic interventions, and underwater bases

    1. JR

      And if you- if you think of the human race on Earth, if you thought, you've thought of ... if you thought of us as, like, one giant super organism, you would think, "Oh, they figured out electricity and now they're starting to grow together. Now, they're massing."

    2. DT

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      "And now they're stacking. Now, they've developed these construction methods where they can get 100 floors"

    4. DT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      "straight up in the air."

    6. DT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      "And they're smashing all together and they're kinda dehumanizing each other and they're piling on top of each other in this totally new way-"

    8. DT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... "of- of- of existing together." Like, they've never had people in history stacked on top of each other-

    10. DT

      No.

    11. JR

      ... for 100 floors.

    12. DT

      No.

    13. JR

      You don't even know anybody. You're all stuck in traffic. Everybody's all together in this one thing and you're all working towards a goal-"

    14. DT

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      "... of getting this fucking"

    16. DT

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      "AI on board."

    18. DT

      That's right.

    19. JR

      Everything up until now, every song ever sung-"

    20. DT

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      "... every play that you ever went to on Broadway, all of it was just about getting this AI born."

    22. DT

      That's right. That's right, every comment.

    23. JR

      That's the whole thing. We're, uh, all of our work is really just to make money. All of our money is, after the bills, is really just to buy the best stuff."

    24. DT

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      What's the best stuff? And it's electronics.

    26. DT

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      It's TVs. It's computers.

    28. DT

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      It's a phone. It's gotta get-

    30. DT

      Yeah.

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