Joe Rogan Experience #2393 - Bryan Callen

1. 0:00 – 1:24

   Logan Paul “heals” a dove at the gun range

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. BCBryan Callen0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Let me tell you, I was at- I was at, uh- I was at Tarren Tactical, and I was shooting, and I- I ... and Logan Paul was there, and I'd just met him. And, uh-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      (laughs)

   5. BCBryan Callen0:22

      ... I hit a dove.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      No.

   7. BCBryan Callen0:24

      I grazed a dove somehow, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Oh, no. Yeah, they do fly around there. Oh, no.

   9. BCBryan Callen0:27

      And the dove is dying, but ... yeah, and I ... so, um, Logan and I come up, and I grab the dove, and I'm gonna wring its neck so it doesn't suffer.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       (sighs)

   11. BCBryan Callen0:35

       And Logan, Logan goes, "Wait. Hold. Let me just see it." And he takes it in his hands, and-and-and instead of me wringing its neck, 'cause I don't want it to suffer, I swear to God it was all ... you know how your- the wing is like this?

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Uh-huh.

   13. BCBryan Callen0:49

       His-his Jesus energy (laughs) , his-wh-his whatever his energy is, he held it in both hands, I swear to God, the thing kind of just went (clicks tongue) just kind of put its wing back in and just fucking flew out of his hands. (laughs) And I was like, "All right, well-"

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Thought you were gonna kill it.

   15. BCBryan Callen1:05

       I was gonna kill it. I was like, "All right."

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       They are delicious.

   17. BCBryan Callen1:08

       Maybe that's Logan's celebrity powers.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Do you know that it's, like, the most hunted bird in North America?

   19. BCBryan Callen1:13

       Listen, pigeon's delicious.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Yeah.

   21. BCBryan Callen1:15

       And I was just hunting them in London, sir. On the outskirts of London. I just got back.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Oh, because, like, in the city, I don't think you're allowed to do that.

   23. BCBryan Callen1:22

       Um, this is why-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       But, uh-

2. 1:24 – 2:44

   DIY frustration, directions, and “men don’t read manuals”

   1. BCBryan Callen1:24

      ... this is why I can't do anything. Look at me.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:25

      Wh-what's the matter?

   3. BCBryan Callen1:26

      I'm the ... "I don't know how to do this, help me."

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:28

      It's like a door. Y- you open the-

   5. BCBryan Callen1:30

      Oh, you open it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:30

      ... yeah, like that. I know, it's weird.

   7. BCBryan Callen1:32

      All right. Yeah, but, you know, I should be able to-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      They're all different.

   9. BCBryan Callen1:34

      I- I get pissed when I can't figure out little shit like that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       Yeah.

   11. BCBryan Callen1:36

       Like a child seat. I'm like, "I got it." And I go, I look at my wife, I go, "You- you do it."

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       What is-

   13. BCBryan Callen1:40

       And I just throw my hands up.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       What is it about men that we don't read directions?

   15. BCBryan Callen1:44

       I don't know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       I- I never read directions.

   17. BCBryan Callen1:46

       Never. Never.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       I open the box, I go, "Look at this fucking bullshit." (laughs) Put that aside. I don't need this.

   19. BCBryan Callen1:51

       Just-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       No, I'll figure this out.

   21. BCBryan Callen1:52

       My- my-my wife ... remember one time, when my kid was really young, I had to put together a child's bed. And I'm like, "I can do it." And I go to put the bed together, and-and, um, well, I couldn't. I- I couldn't 'cause there were directions. And I was like ... the screws, you know how they number the screws?

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   23. BCBryan Callen2:11

       And I'm sitting there like this, and I- I'm making noises, I'm going, "Ah! Ah!"

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       (laughs)

   25. BCBryan Callen2:15

       My wife is like, "What's wrong with you?" I'm like, "Stay out of the room!"

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       (laughs)

   27. BCBryan Callen2:18

       And apparently, apparently she can't even ... "Get out of the room! I got this!" So-

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       You should do hard cardio before you put together any child's-

   29. BCBryan Callen2:24

       Dude, no, this is what I did.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       (laughs) Just get calm first.
3. 2:44 – 5:06

   Training at 58: warm-ups, injury prevention, and meticulous prep

   1. BCBryan Callen2:44

      I have soft, I have soft hands. I have, um, by the way, fresh ... if I have some marks on my face, I'm fresh-fresh from the, uh, from the mat of doing take-downs at 58. That's a good time.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:56

      Yeah?

   3. BCBryan Callen2:56

      Oh, it's a great time.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:56

      How's your back? You all right?

   5. BCBryan Callen2:57

      You know what, dude? My back is actually good because I- I've mastered the art of warming up.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:02

      Oh, that's good. That's smart.

   7. BCBryan Callen3:04

      I'm pedantic about it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:05

      Got it.

   9. BCBryan Callen3:05

      Like, they make fun of me, and I'm like, "Fuck off."

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       Yeah, you should.

   11. BCBryan Callen3:08

       I do my bird dogs, my fire hydrants, all that shit.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       You know Muhammad Ali used to work out for, uh ... well, he used to warm up, rather, for an hour before he worked out?

   13. BCBryan Callen3:14

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       Yeah, I watched Manny Pacquiao-

   15. BCBryan Callen3:17

       I didn't know that, but that's how you stay from getting injured.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       I did this thing with, uh, Tosh, Daniel Tosh and I, um, at-the-at, uh, Wild Card Gym where Tosh was getting punched by Manny, and I was like, "Help."

   17. BCBryan Callen3:28

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       It was like some silly sketch we were doing.

   19. BCBryan Callen3:30

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       And, uh ... but Manny was there for a real workout day.

   21. BCBryan Callen3:34

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       And just kindly, uh, allowed Tosh, like, 20 minutes of his time, and they did this little thing. Um, but I got to see Manny work out, and it is very meticulous.

   23. BCBryan Callen3:45

       Yes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       It's all, like, these ... he's working out with rubber bands-

   25. BCBryan Callen3:48

       Yep.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       ... where it's, like, short little movements.

   27. BCBryan Callen3:50

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       And-and it's all these twisting and turning, and he's got guys stretching him, he's like, you know, he's moving around.

   29. BCBryan Callen3:56

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Like, everything's very slow.
4. 5:06 – 11:47

   Endurance obsession: Ironman at 80, Goggins, monks, and addiction

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      Did you see that video I sent you of that 80-year-old woman who completed an Ironwan?

   2. BCBryan Callen5:10

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:11

      80 years old, she completed an Ironman Triathlon.

   4. BCBryan Callen5:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:13

      Which is, I think it's 120 miles on a bike, and then it's a marathon-

   6. BCBryan Callen5:19

      It's crazy.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:19

      ... and how ... what is ... how long is the swim? Did I send it to you, Jamie?

   8. BCBryan Callen5:22

      I think it's two miles, 2.6 miles.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:24

      That is-

   10. BCBryan Callen5:24

       It's crazy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       ... so crazy.

   12. BCBryan Callen5:27

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:27

       She's 80 years old.

   14. BCBryan Callen5:29

       Yeah. Yeah. But I think if you keep ... if you do something every day like that, I- I actually think you can-

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:36

       Yes.

   16. BCBryan Callen5:37

       It's- it's just true.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       You keep a lot.

   18. BCBryan Callen5:38

       Like- like, what people never do is they- they don't do the sprints.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:41

       Natalie ... I don't know how to say her last name. Gribau? Gribau?

   20. BCBryan Callen5:44

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       Either way.

   22. BCBryan Callen5:45

       Dani Gribau.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       Natalie, you're a monster. Amazing. 80 years old.

   24. BCBryan Callen5:50

       So nuts.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       She became the oldest woman to finish the Ironman World Championship.

   26. BCBryan Callen5:54

       God.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       That is so incredible.

   28. BCBryan Callen5:56

       A 3.8 kilometer swim.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       Wow.

   30. BCBryan Callen5:58

       180 kilometers.
5. 11:47 – 15:46

   Doing something hard daily: mastery, identity, and avoiding “grown-up babies”

   1. BCBryan Callen11:47

      But do you remember I said to you ... I, I remember we were talking, and I said ... I think you had gotten some ... You know, it was in the press, you made some- signed some deal or something. And I said, (clears throat) "You know, I've known you 30 years, (clears throat) and the one thing- the, the only thing that's changed about you is you've gotten more peace of mind. Like, you just haven't changed really. Like, you're just not ... You haven't changed." And, um, I said, "What do you think it is?"... which I'm always careful about talking about, 'cause I don't want anybody, any of my friends to get into their head about it, right? (laughs) Just like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:12

      Right. You could get in your head.

   3. BCBryan Callen12:12

      ... shut the fuck up. You know what I mean?

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:14

      Yeah.

   5. BCBryan Callen12:14

      Like, don't start asking too many questions. But I was, like, gently kinda going, "I wonder..." We were kind of exploring what it is that keeps you grounded. And I, you said to me, "I like to do something really hard every day, so it reminds me of what a bitch I am." And what, that, that's the same thing I feel about the... I wrestle almost four days a week now-

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:32

      (laughs)

   7. BCBryan Callen12:32

      ... which is ridiculous. It's actually embarrassing, right? But I do it because it r- it, it's hard.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:39

      Yeah.

   9. BCBryan Callen12:39

      And I don't want to, and I have to warm my frame up, and then I have to go wrestle around with these fucking monsters. But there's something about it, getting better at it, kind of s- slowly, the incremental-cremental getting better at something. And I do it because it's hard. That grounds me. No matter what, I know I did that today. And that's a really good starting point. That's a good place-

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:02

       There is something-

   11. BCBryan Callen13:02

       ... to jump off of.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:03

       There's something th- that, you know, and, and if s- someone's listening and they're not into that, you don't, definitely don't have to do that. Just try to do yoga every day. Try to go to, uh, one of those Bikram 90-minute hot yoga classes. Some of the hardest shit I've-

   13. BCBryan Callen13:16

       Bro.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       ... ever done physically in my life.

   15. BCBryan Callen13:18

       No shit.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:18

       So you don't have to, like, go wrestle.

   17. BCBryan Callen13:20

       No.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       You can do something that more aligns with your political ideology. (laughs)

   19. BCBryan Callen13:24

       (laughs) No, I always say-

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       It's like-

   21. BCBryan Callen13:25

       ... that. If you're a, especially, I can't speak to women, but if you're a young man, you wanna find yourself, just get really good at something. Like, just get good at fucking the piano. I don't care what it is. I, I always used jujitsu or something like that, just 'cause it's hard. But it's, it's a, it's a placeholder for a lot of other things.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       Well, it also lets you know that there's a process in life that you can apply, like, universally.

   23. BCBryan Callen13:45

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       And that is, like, focus and attention, and, uh, you know, and this objective goal of getting better, and then you see progress. And then you realize, like, "Oh, this is kind of applicable to just being a human being." Like, you can get better at being-

   25. BCBryan Callen14:02

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:02

       ... a human being by, by thinking about, "Okay, I fucked that up. I fucked this up."

   27. BCBryan Callen14:07

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:07

       "But I did that good. Uh, what did I do differently? Oh, okay, let's do more of that." And then-

   29. BCBryan Callen14:12

       That would get... Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:13

       Over time, you get better at being a human being.
6. 15:46 – 19:48

   Protests, UK speech arrests, and UK/Ireland warrior culture (plus mob dramas)

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:46

      Some political thing. Yeah, all those people that are protesting on the streets, uh, uh, 99% of them are losers.

   2. BCBryan Callen15:51

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      The other ones work for the Fed.

   4. BCBryan Callen15:53

      I have a whole joke about that. It's like a fucking, uh, you know, if I was-

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      It's FBI agents and losers.

   6. BCBryan Callen15:57

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:57

      That's all it is. The whole fucking... Every protest-

   8. BCBryan Callen16:02

      Dude.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:02

      ... is FBI agents and losers.

   10. BCBryan Callen16:04

       I talk about this all the time. I'm like, "For, for me, you want me to join a protest? You want me to get out on the street? First of all, to make a sign? The fuck outta here." And then I'm so-

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       You don't have to make the sign.

   12. BCBryan Callen16:13

       Oh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       There's g- there's a guy with a van who's paid by George Soros-

   14. BCBryan Callen16:16

       Yes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       ... and he's got stacks of-

   16. BCBryan Callen16:17

       He's handing them out?

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       ... signs that were made at Kinko's.

   18. BCBryan Callen16:20

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Okay? They're not homemade at all. And you can just fucking, just pass those bad boys out.

   20. BCBryan Callen16:24

       Y- I'm never leading a revolution. My problem is my sign would say, "Ugh," or, "It's complicated."

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       Yeah.

   22. BCBryan Callen16:30

       You know? That's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Well, if you're really trying to get your life together... But there's some things, you know, that people feel need to be protested, like-

   24. BCBryan Callen16:38

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       ... people in the UK. Like, they're a polite group. There's a polite society in England, for the most part, you know? And they've gotten to the point where they're like, "Okay, this is kinda nuts."

   26. BCBryan Callen16:48

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       Like, "What are you guys doing?" Uh, they've arrested 12,000 people this year-

   28. BCBryan Callen16:54

       Correct.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       ... for social media posts.

   30. BCBryan Callen16:55

       Isn't that insane?
7. 19:48 – 22:20

   Bryan’s UK hunt: pheasant shoots, loaders, sarcasm, and shotgun mechanics

   1. BCBryan Callen19:48

      Uh, dude, how, they're so sarcastic. I'm sitting there with my, my friend. We're, we're in a shoot, we're doing a shoot, which would mean you wear a, a, you wear a collar and tie, sir, with, with, n- those knickers, those, uh, those-

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:00

      Are you talking about, like, a, a shoot with a gun?

   3. BCBryan Callen20:02

      I did a, I did a pheasant shoot.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:04

      Oh, you went hunting?

   5. BCBryan Callen20:05

      Sir, yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:05

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. BCBryan Callen20:05

      And now, at night, we shot deer. But in the mo- in the morning time, you have, w- they do drives. And please follow along. We, we, we wake up, we have a, a wonderful breakfast at the estate, and, uh, I'm paying for none of this, and then we, uh, we go out and we have a loader. I had a loader 'cause I can't load my own shells. I had a loader, who's a British guy, and that's what they do.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:26

      Oh, boy.

   9. BCBryan Callen20:26

      And then the villagers beat the bush to get the partridges that have been stocked in the-

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       Partridges or pheasants?

   11. BCBryan Callen20:31

       I'm sorry, uh, both. Sorry.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:33

       Oh, both. Okay.

   13. BCBryan Callen20:33

       Both. Now, it's a- a huge business. It, it supports an entire community. So these shoots are, you know, they're very expensive, so the person sponsoring it pays, essentially, all these... Everybody's making money. It's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:42

       Rich people recreation. I get it.

   15. BCBryan Callen20:43

       It's a hu-... Rich people recreation. And, um, but, uh, there's something, there's something... I don't know what I was... W- what were we talking about? W- I lost my train of thought. (crashing sound) Fuck.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:53

       (laughs) You're talking about English people.

   17. BCBryan Callen20:55

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're so sarcastic. So I've got this loader, um, who's next to me, and, uh, I'm missing the birds. I'm not good with a shotgun, and I just... They're coming right at us, and I'm fucking literally just missing all of them. And at one point, he looks at me and goes, "Are you a vegan?" (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       (laughs)

   19. BCBryan Callen21:12

       I was like, "Fuck you, dude." Like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:15

       (laughs)

   21. BCBryan Callen21:15

       ... he just quietly said that to me.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:17

       That's hilarious.

   23. BCBryan Callen21:17

       He goes, "Swing your barrels."

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:20

       Oh, you have to learn how to do that. I, um, actually in the UK learned how to do it. I learned how to do it in Scotland.

   25. BCBryan Callen21:26

       Oh, you did that there. You did that-

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       Yeah. No, I did clay pigeons.

   27. BCBryan Callen21:29

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:29

       You know, the, the, the-

   29. BCBryan Callen21:30

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       Those were really fun.
8. 22:20 – 24:31

   Mounted archery, stirrups, and the realities of savage warrior athleticism

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:20

      ... and staying calm and not flinching when you pull the trigger. But this is so different. It's like, you know, they used to say that, like, the Comanche, one of the things that was crazy was the, some of 'em weren't even really accurate with a bow.

   2. BCBryan Callen22:33

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:33

      If you just gave them a bow and told them to shoot it at, like, a target-

   4. BCBryan Callen22:36

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:37

      ... they weren't accurate.

   6. BCBryan Callen22:38

      Really?

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:38

      But on a horse-

   8. BCBryan Callen22:39

      Uh-huh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:40

      So on the horse, the gallop, and they had this fucking zap!

   10. BCBryan Callen22:43

       Wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:43

       They knew where that arrow was going.

   12. BCBryan Callen22:45

       Wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:45

       So they're using the chaos, so what, the movement-

   14. BCBryan Callen22:50

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:50

       ... and all the, like, the darting around, like they just n- guide the arrow, like, in the middle of chaos and war.

   16. BCBryan Callen22:57

       So you love archery. Do you know what, what was a game changer with art- with, with shooting? Shooting o- or a bow from a horse, you know, you know what invention changed everything?

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:07

       Probably it's the stirrups.

   18. BCBryan Callen23:08

       Thank you.

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:09

       Yeah.

   20. BCBryan Callen23:09

       Stirrups.

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:09

       Because they can hang over the side.

   22. BCBryan Callen23:10

       That's right. Well, you can also stand up and br-

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:12

       Yeah.

   24. BCBryan Callen23:13

       You know, so it's like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:13

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BCBryan Callen23:14

       ... you can stay steady and then shoot. The Mongols-

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:16

       The Comanche used to run, uh, like very similarly. Like, that guy is fucking badass.

   28. BCBryan Callen23:20

       That d-... That's a m-... That's a mongol boss.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:22

       That guy is so badass.

   30. BCBryan Callen23:23

       That's where that guy Shavkat comes from, I think. Look at that.
9. 24:31 – 36:34

   Knee reconstructions, rehab reality, hanging for spine health, and neck training

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:31

      Like, Shavkat unfortunately just injured his knee again.

   2. BCBryan Callen24:35

      He did?

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:36

      Yeah, man. He had surgery on his knee, he was rehabbing his knee, and blew it out again.... and now he has to have another surgery, and now-

   4. BCBryan Callen24:44

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:44

      ... it's 10 months. There's a few guys that I know who have done that, where they got ACL reconstruction. I don't know if Shavkat had ACL. But any kind of reconstruction of the ligaments, you, um, you feel better before you're better.

   6. BCBryan Callen24:58

      He should, he should do my-

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:58

      And you gotta be real careful.

   8. BCBryan Callen24:59

      ... he should do my work.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:00

      You gotta be real careful-

   10. BCBryan Callen25:01

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:01

       ... because what happens is, y- y- when you get a, a reconstruction of your knee, so like say if they use a cadaver, that does not become your new tendon. What that does is becomes a scaffolding for your new-

   12. BCBryan Callen25:14

       Hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       ... tendon. And so your body has to proliferate that scaffolding of the c- dead guy's tendon-

   14. BCBryan Callen25:20

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:20

       ... with fresh tendon meat.

   16. BCBryan Callen25:22

       Really?

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:22

       And eventually, it becomes your tendon.

   18. BCBryan Callen25:24

       But you have to wait for it to do that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       You have to wait. But it feels good right away, but you've got a rotten old piece of meat in there that your body is taking over with its own tissue.

   20. BCBryan Callen25:33

       Wow.

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:34

       Yeah.

   22. BCBryan Callen25:34

       Did you, didn't you have that done?

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       I had that done, yeah.

   24. BCBryan Callen25:35

       And, and how long did it take you?

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:37

       Six months.

   26. BCBryan Callen25:38

       Really?

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:38

       Yeah. Six months, I was doing jujitsu again.

   28. BCBryan Callen25:41

       But you couldn't do anything until then?

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:42

       No. I was being really smart.

   30. BCBryan Callen25:43

       Yeah.
10. 36:34 – 46:14

    Foot pain fixes, barefoot training, and Joe’s strength-training philosophy (Pavel method)

    1. BCBryan Callen36:34

       Yeah. You know who the, um, you know Squat University? You ever follow that, that account?

    2. JRJoe Rogan36:39

       Mm-mm.

    3. BCBryan Callen36:40

       Oh, dude.... that guy, everybody I know who, like, he trains Olympic weightlifters and real Olympians, and he'll show you what, what he's, he knows the body so well, and this is the greatest. I, I DM him 'cause people I respect were talking about how they, they follow him, like, I know a lot of trainers who follow him and stuff. And if you, if you go to his thing, you'll see, he demonstrates how somebody will have an impingement, this is an Olympic weightlifter or something, p- pain for two years, and then he'll give them an exercise, literally an exercise, and it will actually change them almost instantaneously or within a couple of days, right? And because he really understands the body. So I had heel pain, really bad heel pain. I would wake up and I couldn't walk, so it's like, "Was it plantar fasciitis? What's going on?"

    4. JRJoe Rogan37:24

       You had gout, son.

    5. BCBryan Callen37:26

       Yeah, right? (laughs) And so I go to a couple of podiatrists and they make me the implants, it's like, "You just need arch support and all that." I DM him, I can't remember his name, and he, um, he said, "You know, I'm gonna send you a video on a guy, your shoes may be too narrow, and what's going on-"

    6. JRJoe Rogan37:45

       You do wear those fucking goofy ass-

    7. BCBryan Callen37:47

       No, not anymore, bro.

    8. JRJoe Rogan37:48

       ... fucking dress shoes.

    9. BCBryan Callen37:48

       No, hold on-

    10. JRJoe Rogan37:49

        What are you wearing today?

    11. BCBryan Callen37:49

        ... one second. I got my Nikes on. But I did, I would wear those kind of, you know, you want to be cool, and-

    12. JRJoe Rogan37:54

        That doesn't look cool.

    13. BCBryan Callen37:54

        ... what was happening is my big toe's being pushed... (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan37:57

        (laughs)

    15. BCBryan Callen37:57

        Every time I would wear a blazer-

    16. JRJoe Rogan37:59

        (laughs)

    17. BCBryan Callen37:59

        ... every time a blazer w- I would, sometimes I'd be like, "I'm gonna wear a blazer and a collared shirt," and I'd walk in and you'd go, "Hey, you teaching substitute school? You a substitute teacher again?" I'd be like, "Fuck this, man," and take it off. So much for that.

    18. JRJoe Rogan38:10

        (coughs)

    19. BCBryan Callen38:10

        Any time I wear a collared shirt, it's you.

    20. JRJoe Rogan38:12

        Well, you were wearing slippery shoes.

    21. BCBryan Callen38:14

        Oh, yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan38:14

        You were wearing those weird dress shoes that are slippery.

    23. BCBryan Callen38:17

        I try to, I try to, I try to change it up. I'm, I'm like, "I'm gonna dress like an adult, I wanna be like Jordan Peterson," but it never lasts.

    24. JRJoe Rogan38:21

        (laughs) "I wanna be an adult."

    25. BCBryan Callen38:22

        I can't do it.

    26. JRJoe Rogan38:23

        Yeah, you gotta give up on that.

    27. BCBryan Callen38:24

        But he told me, he goes, he said, "I think what's happening is your sh- your big toe's being pushed in, and sometimes that cuts blood off to your heel. So your-

    28. JRJoe Rogan38:35

        Whoa.

    29. BCBryan Callen38:35

        ... heel is actually atro- is actually getting necrosis, it's actually dying. You're not getting blood there."

    30. JRJoe Rogan38:40

        But wait a minute, the blood has to go through-
11. 46:14 – 1:03:59

    Technique over toughness: UFC grappling, boxing mastery, and corrupt judging

    1. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       Like, you can actually l- learn better if you're not exhausted, right? But there's, like, a lot of jujitsu schools that have you do shit like, like, when I used to train at Carlson Gracie's, the warmup was so brutal-

    2. BCBryan Callen46:27

       Ugh.

    3. JRJoe Rogan46:27

       ... that by the time you got to actually training, that was like a break.

    4. BCBryan Callen46:31

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       It was a break. It was at least I can hold onto this guy.

    6. BCBryan Callen46:34

       Ugh.

    7. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       You know? I don't have to fucking do somersaults over and over again.

    8. BCBryan Callen46:38

       No.

    9. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       You would do all these different body weight things. They would do, like, duck walks and bear claw- crawls. But the, their idea was, hey, you should be fit enough that you could do all this shit and it's easy, and then you start training, and then you're fit to train-

    10. BCBryan Callen46:53

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan46:53

        ... and it'll help your training. And there's, they're right. They're right. However, if you're trying to teach people something, the worst way to teach them is when they're exhausted.

    12. BCBryan Callen47:04

        Oh, yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:04

        So if you can say, like, Karl Gotch, famously the, he's a famous catch wrestling guru who was a, a great wrestler back in like, God, I think it was like the '50s and '60s, back when catch wrestling was legit. Like, they would, they would rest-

    14. BCBryan Callen47:17

        What is catch wrestling?

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:19

        It's an American-style submission wrestling that a lot of these submissions actually, you know, when you, you think about, um, sh- sh- to.

    16. BCBryan Callen47:27

        Is that Ken Shamrock and stuff?

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:29

        No, Ken Shamrock, Ken Shamrock had a little bit of that, for sure. You know, Ken Shamrock was m- he was a hybrid. You know, he did a lot of training in Japan.

    18. BCBryan Callen47:38

        Combo, yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:39

        And he did, he was a leg lock guy before anybody was. Like, Ken Shamrock won some of the early UFCs with heel hooks.

    20. BCBryan Callen47:44

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:44

        Nobody even knew what the fuck was going on.

    22. BCBryan Callen47:46

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:46

        Um, and it was, he was also a massive human being too. That was part of it. Like, Ken Shamrock was fucking jacked.

    24. BCBryan Callen47:52

        Strong shit.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:52

        He was so strong. Um, but their whole thing was all about conditioning. Like, the Lion's Den, they had this famous crucible they would put recruits through. Like, if you wanted to train with the Lion's Den-

    26. BCBryan Callen48:03

        You had to go through that.

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:03

        ... you had to go through hell. They had this crazy, like, Bud-style strength and conditioning routine, then you had to spar everybody.

    28. BCBryan Callen48:12

        Fuck, yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:12

        You had to spar the whole team. They beat the fuck out of each other.

    30. BCBryan Callen48:15

        Yeah.
12. 1:03:59 – 1:05:36

    Phones, politics, and narratives: from “False Gods” to AI misinformation and medical ‘truth’

    1. BCBryan Callen1:03:59

       Well, let me ask you this. As you, you know, as... with, with AI and as, as we get better and better at these videos, that you can't tell whether it's real or not. You know, I really wonder-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:04:10

       Maybe it's good. Maybe you just stop looking.

    3. BCBryan Callen1:04:12

       That's, that's what I was thinking.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:04:13

       Because I think half of-

    5. BCBryan Callen1:04:13

       That's what I was thinking.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:14

       ... we're wasting our fucking lives staring at our phones.

    7. BCBryan Callen1:04:15

       I was... That's right. And my... mine... That's what my whole special is about. It's called False Gods because that be-... that has become... That is what we're bent over in prayer with. We're always looking at it all the time.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:25

       Yeah, it's, it's-

    9. BCBryan Callen1:04:25

       That, that dopamine scroll.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:27

        ... a drug.

    11. BCBryan Callen1:04:27

        Right? We're just a nation of drug addicts.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:04:29

        If there was a drug that made you stare at your hand all day-

    13. BCBryan Callen1:04:31

        Fuck, dude.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:04:32

        ... you'd, you'd avoid that drug like the plague.

    15. BCBryan Callen1:04:33

        That's why... That's literally the theme of what I wrote about, because I was like... I, I'm... I find myself... Like, I, I find myself going, "I'm not gonna look at my phone," and then I get sucked in. And there's fun-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:04:42

        Mm-hmm.

    17. BCBryan Callen1:04:42

        ... good things to watch, whether it's old interviews, whether it's snippets of this, but it's a highlight reel, man.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:47

        It's like mining for gold, though, in a really shitty spot.

    19. BCBryan Callen1:04:51

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:04:51

        Like, you're not getting a lot of gold.

    21. BCBryan Callen1:04:53

        No, you're not.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:53

        Every now and then you get a little gold flake.

    23. BCBryan Callen1:04:55

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:55

        Some funny meme. Ah, ha, ha.

    25. BCBryan Callen1:04:56

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:57

        And then I'll send it to all my friends. But I find out the really funny ones, they make it to me anyway.

    27. BCBryan Callen1:05:02

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:05:02

        Like, the... That's what I really want.

    29. BCBryan Callen1:05:04

        (laughs) Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:05:04

        I really want the funny things. So, the funny things, like funny memes and shit like that, they'll make it to me no matter what.

Episode duration: 2:48:07