Joe Rogan Experience #2398 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1. 0:00 – 0:34

   Banter about Britain ‘sinking’ and the risks of speaking freely

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) So what's happening?

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin0:13

      It's all good, man.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      When are you bailing out of your country? It's sinking.

   5. NANarrator0:16

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      That is the fucking-

   7. NANarrator0:17

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      ... Titanic and you're one of the last deck hands. (laughs)

   9. KKKonstantin Kisin0:20

      We're gonna, we're gonna stand and fight, man. It's-

   10. NANarrator0:23

       Yeah. Are you really?

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin0:23

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Good luck.

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin0:25

       No, we are.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Good luck.

   15. NANarrator0:26

       (laughs) Yeah, we're the guys playing-

   16. KKKonstantin Kisin0:27

       As long as it's still okay.

   17. NANarrator0:28

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       They're gonna arrest you for saying, "Stand and fight."

   19. NANarrator0:31

       Yeah.

   20. KKKonstantin Kisin0:31

       It's-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       It's incitement of violence.

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin0:33

       Yeah.

   23. NANarrator0:34

       Yeah, yeah.

2. 0:34 – 1:55

   ‘Non-crime hate incidents’ and UK policing of speech

   1. KKKonstantin Kisin0:34

      Yeah. No, but it's got, it's interesting. I mean, obviously you had Graham Linehan on the show. We're gonna have him on as well, uh, soon to talk about it. But he, his, um... They're not gonna prosecute him. And not only that, they also said they are not going to investigate non-crime hate incidents anymore. Do you know what those are?

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:52

      Oh, interesting.

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin0:53

      It's basically when you've committed no crime but you're still, like, hateful.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:57

      Oh, okay.

   5. KKKonstantin Kisin0:58

      So they-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:58

      But that's also s- very subjective too.

   7. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00

      Yeah, of course.

   8. NANarrator1:01

      Of course.

   9. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01

      So they're not gonna-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Of course.

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin1:02

       ... they're not gonna investigate them anymore.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Yeah.

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin1:04

       But they're still gonna keep track of them, is what they said.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Oh, keep track.

   15. NANarrator1:08

       (laughs)

   16. KKKonstantin Kisin1:09

       (laughs)

   17. NANarrator1:09

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Just, we've got an eye on you. Yeah.

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin1:10

       We're gonna make a, we're gonna make a record of it, but won't investigate. No, it's-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       So are they gonna stop arresting people for social media posts then?

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin1:17

       What do you think, Joe?

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       I think no.

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin1:18

       Yeah, I think-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       I think it's profitable.

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin1:19

       ... that's... Well-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Yeah. It's probably a nice fine, right? What do you get? You get a fine?

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin1:23

       Uh, I don't think it's about that. I think the, you know, during the, the uber woke era they put all these laws on the stature book and the police have to enforce the law.

   28. NANarrator1:31

       Mm.

   29. KKKonstantin Kisin1:31

       Right? They have no choice, 'cause if a bunch of people complain and then they don't investigate the people that have been reported-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Oh, that's what it's all about.
3. 1:55 – 6:46

   Woke-era ‘fever dream’: pandemic, BLM, and why LA became unlivable

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      And the heavy woke w- It's almost like a fever dream, you know? When you really go back and-

   2. NANarrator2:00

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:01

      ... pay attention to some of the more insane woke stuff from, like, just five years ago.

   4. NANarrator2:05

      Mm. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:05

      Like, everyone was losing their fucking mind. It, but, like, if I was an elite, if I was one of those lizard people running the world-

   6. NANarrator2:12

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      ... I would've been like, "Well, looky here."

   8. NANarrator2:15

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:15

      "This is really interesting."

   10. NANarrator2:17

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       Like, "This was just a cold. Was just a cold and a little bit of social media input and we got these people behaving in a way that they'd never behaved before."

   12. NANarrator2:25

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       "Admitting to things they'd never admitted to before, adhering to rules that never existed before."

   14. NANarrator2:32

       Yeah, I think the thing that I found the most... The, the worst bit about it wasn't necessarily the behavior of the elites. It was the behavior of ordinary people during that time.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   16. NANarrator2:41

       The fact that your neighbor was so willing to snitch on you because you went for a second walk.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       But that's why I was interested in it as a lizard person.

   18. NANarrator2:48

       Mm-hmm. (laughs) Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       If I was a lizard person elite, I'd be like, "Look, these people are dumb."

   20. NANarrator2:51

       Mm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       Like, "This is really easy to manip-" Especially, I was just talking to a buddy of mine who's fleeing LA-

   22. NANarrator2:56

       Mm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       ... and, uh, he was like, "I can't anymore. I tried. I just fucking, I hung in there. I can't do it anymore." He's like-

   24. KKKonstantin Kisin3:03

       Mm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       "Everybody went crazy."

   26. KKKonstantin Kisin3:04

       Mm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       It's like it, there's something that happened because of the pandemic and the Black Lives Matter protests and the riots and all that came.

   28. NANarrator3:11

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       It just cha- Like, whatever the temperature of society was, is like it hit societal global warming where it's like, "It's time to investigate Greenland. It's time to move north." (laughs)

   30. NANarrator3:22

       (laughs)
4. 6:46 – 12:31

   Emotional addiction, algorithms, and the return of political violence talk

   1. KKKonstantin Kisin6:46

      So I think part of the problem is, is that people, when they go on these posts, they're not looking for- to learn something, as you just said. What they actually want is an emotional reaction. They wanna feel something.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:57

      Right.

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin6:57

      If you live in a society where it's comparatively the easiest it's ever been and your life is boring 'cause all you do is get up, you go to work, you go ... You have food, you commute, you come back, it's essentially a treadmill where you don't feel any of the ups and downs of emotion.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:12

      Right.

   5. KKKonstantin Kisin7:13

      Then what way would you get that but by going online and d- and seeing something fucking awful happening, you feel terror, you feel sadness, you feel rage. At its most basic, you feel alive.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      Mm-hmm. Well, it's also just that's what you're gonna watch, you know? And so you're getting sucked into it just because of the algorithm, which is crazy. We n- no one ever considered algorithms before.

   7. NANarrator7:33

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:33

      We considered access to information, but we didn't consider the information we curated to hold your attention span.

   9. NANarrator7:40

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       And all of these factors have not been studied well.

   11. NANarrator7:42

       Mm-hmm.

   12. KKKonstantin Kisin7:43

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       You know, there's been a few d- guys like Jonathan Haidt writing about it.

   14. NANarrator7:45

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       A few scholars that are really attempting to, like, say, "Hey, what is the, what's the sociological and what are, what are the, what is the long-term consequences of this happening also for children?" These are the first children-

   16. NANarrator7:56

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       ... in the h- in human history growing up on social media. Never been done before.

   18. NANarrator8:00

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       We don't know what that's like. Like, what is it gonna change in terms of empathy, in terms of hostility, acceptance of violence, which is a completely brand new thing on the left.

   20. NANarrator8:10

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:10

       Acceptance and celebration of gun violence never happened before when I was a kid.

   22. NANarrator8:14

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       It never existed. No one from the left ever celebrated anybody getting assassinated, ever. It just wasn't a thing.

   24. NANarrator8:20

       Mm-hmm.

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin8:20

       It's so crazy, man. And you talking about, like, language as well. Like, we have this ... We have a, the leader of the Green Party in the UK, new guy's coming through, he's very popular with people on the left. Uh, on, on that side of the left, anyway. And it's been what? How long has it been since Charlie Kirk was assassinated? Like a month? And-

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       Yeah.

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin8:38

       ... right? And he's running around calling, like, not, not far right people, just like, "Nigel Farage is a Nazi, is a fascist." And you're ju- and you're go- you've ... And I, and you-

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       (sighs)

   29. KKKonstantin Kisin8:48

       We've discussed this so many times with you, man. It's like when you call people-

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       (laughs)
5. 12:31 – 19:35

   Protest ‘spellcasting’: slogans, paid organizing, and manufactured crowds

   1. KKKonstantin Kisin12:31

      He is right. And I, you know, I'm one of the people that has gone along to a lot of protests. There's a lot of wild people there.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:37

      Oh, yeah. You've done some great interviews at those protests.

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin12:40

      Mm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:40

      Yeah. It's just, when they're confronted with a person who's actually asking them questions, it's remarkable how few people know why (laughs) they're there.

   5. KKKonstantin Kisin12:47

      Mm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:47

      They, they'll, they don't know, like, when you get into specifics. This guy did this thing today, uh, where he was, uh, talking with people, the No Kings pro-... I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie. 'Cause it's, it's f- it's, wh- it... You know. I mean, I understand why they responded the way they did, but it, but it is absolutely fascinating to watch, because it just shows you what... Let me find this real quick. It just shows you wh- how much these things that people get, uh, involved in aren't ba-... Oh, this ain't it. Hold on. Shit, I hate when I do this. I thought I saved it. I might not have saved it. Damn. Oh, I did save it. Oh. No, I might not have.

   7. NANarrator13:30

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:30

      I'm sorry.

   9. KKKonstantin Kisin13:31

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       Sorry.

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin13:33

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:33

       No, I don't think I did. So, what... Anyway, this guy was, um, he was interviewing people and he was like, uh, "Is this, this is about human rights?" And they're like, "Yeah." Like, uh, "Are you guys, like, fully in support of, of human rights?" See if you can find this guy. He's got a beard and long hair. And, um, they're like, "Yes, absolutely." He goes, "What about for fetuses in the womb?"

   13. NANarrator13:54

       (laughs)

   14. KKKonstantin Kisin13:55

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       And everybody walks away. Everybody was like-

   16. NANarrator13:58

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:59

       ... "That's not human," or that... I, I don't... And he does it to everybody. And then, you know, he looks like a hippie, you know? So he's like, "So you guys are f- for sure for human rights?" And like, "Oh, yeah. Human rights is why we're here." "You believe in human rights for everyone?" "Yes." "What about unborn babies?" And you see this look on their... "Ha ha ha ha ha, uh."

   18. NANarrator14:18

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:18

       It's almost like everybody's under a spell.

   20. KKKonstantin Kisin14:20

       Mm-hmm.

   21. NANarrator14:20

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:20

       Like some evil wi-

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin14:21

       But they are under a spell.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:22

       Yes. This is the guy. Yeah, this is him. This is him. Check this out. This is wonderful. I love when people do things like this. Can you refresh?

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin14:30

       Yeah, I just did.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:31

       Yeah. ... at them?

   27. FFFrancis Foster14:33

       W- we're in favor of them. (laughs)

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin14:36

       Uh, for everybody?

   29. FFFrancis Foster14:37

       Yes.

   30. KKKonstantin Kisin14:38

       How about the unborn? (laughs) Are these for human rights?
6. 19:35 – 37:26

   Sponsor break: AG1 and DraftKings UFC 321

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:35

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   2. NANarrator20:54

      But, you know, we also have to take responsibility for this. The adults, the people, the colleges. All those people need to take responsibility. So, I did... Uh, I went to a Palestine protest at UCLA, uh, last year in May time, and there were... I thought it was run by the kids. There were a lot of adults there who weren't students at UCLA. And the kids, when they saw, some of the kids when they saw what I was doing and I was doing interviews, they were like, "He doesn't go to my college. He doesn't go to my college."

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:22

      Mm-hmm.

   4. NANarrator21:22

      "He doesn't go to my college. That dude's in his early 50s. He's not on the faculty staff. What is he doing here?"

   5. KKKonstantin Kisin21:29

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:29

      Yeah, they're being paid. (laughs) They're, they're part of an NGO. They're a part of something. They're part of something that's, uh, decided that this is a good idea-

   7. KKKonstantin Kisin21:38

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:38

      ... to get these students to be engaged in these things. And, and it's funded. That's what's weird.

   9. KKKonstantin Kisin21:44

      When I went to... We had, uh, protests, I'm sure you saw, which were about illegal immigration.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:49

       Mm-hmm.

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin21:49

       People would protest outside of, like, uh, illegal immigrant hotels where they're kept. And you had protesters and count- counter-protestors. One thing I noticed is, like, all the pro-immigration protesters, they all have, like, professionally made signs. It's all organized.

   12. NANarrator22:05

       Uh-huh. Oh, yeah.

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin22:05

       Um, and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:05

       No misspellings. (laughs)

   15. NANarrator22:06

       No. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:08

       No.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin22:08

       And I'm wo-... And when you dig... We... When you, when you dig deep, it's, it's organized by the, all these very well named organizations, you know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:15

       Yes.

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin22:15

       Stand Up to Racism, or whatever.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       Yep.

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin22:17

       And then you dig deeper and it's the Revolutionary Socialist Worker's Party or whatever-

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       Mm-hmm.

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin22:23

       ... behind it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       And this is all the stuff that Mike Benz covered.

   25. NANarrator22:26

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       A lot of that stuff is being funded by USAID.

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin22:28

       Mm-hmm.

   28. NANarrator22:29

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       You know Rep. Paulina Luna? You know who she is?

   30. NANarrator22:31

       Yeah.
7. 37:26 – 40:44

   Gender ideology vs women’s spaces: Cass Report, puberty blockers, and incentives

   1. NANarrator37:26

      But, you know, it... What's really fascinating is the cognitive dissonance that these people have, because on the one hand they would say that we live in a patriarchal rape culture, where women are subjugated and oppressed and, you know, and how awful it is for women. And then on the other hand, they're like, "Yeah, like, Derek, you now say you're a woman? Right on this way."

   2. JRJoe Rogan37:45

      Th- but they see... They get past that with trans women are women. They just say it. "Trans women are women," and that's it. And then it's like the discussion's over.

   3. NANarrator37:52

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan37:52

      It's like, okay, are you sure?

   5. NANarrator37:54

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan37:55

      Are you fucking sure? You know, like, maybe some of them are.

   7. NANarrator37:57

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan37:58

      Like, what... You don't think there's any perverts left? They all got absorbed into the community and reformed? Like, what happened?

   9. NANarrator38:04

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan38:05

       What happened to the guy from Silence of the Lambs? You know?

   11. NANarrator38:08

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan38:08

       What happened to Ed Gein? He's... You know this Ed Gein documentary on Netflix? Have you guys watched any of them?

   13. NANarrator38:12

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan38:12

       It's not a documentary, I'm... I should say. It's a docudrama with that, uh, heartthrob fella. What's that guy's name who plays Ed Gein? He's really good, man.

   15. NANarrator38:19

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan38:20

       It's really creepy. But a lot of it deals with autogynephilia.

   17. NANarrator38:23

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan38:24

       Where Ed Gein used to wear his mom's clothes and he would jack off, and then he started... After his mom died, he tried to dig his mom up, he couldn't, dug somebody else up, brought her back, skinned her, started wearing her cloth- wearing her skin, and then started killing women and wearing their skin. First he started robbing graves and then cutting up them and turning their, their skin into furniture and all kinds of shit. And... But trans communities are complaining about this because the fact that he was a cross-dressing psychopath, it puts them in danger. Th- a true story about a guy who was really into dressing up like women and wearing their skin, like, that puts them in danger. Like, you know, Netflix did a bad thing by talking about a real event that actually happened, a real fucking crazy person who's one of the worst serial killers in the history of this country.

   19. NANarrator39:18

       It's... You- you have y-... The one thing I will say about the UK, in the UK's defense-

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:24

       Mm-hmm.

   21. NANarrator39:24

       ... is that we looked... We have s-... I think we've turned the corner with this stuff.

   22. JRJoe Rogan39:27

       Well, you stopped the gender surgeries before anybody.

   23. NANarrator39:29

       Yes, and-

   24. KKKonstantin Kisin39:30

       And the puberty blockers.

   25. NANarrator39:31

       ... and the puberty blockers.

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:32

       The puberty blockers. I meant gender surgery-

   27. NANarrator39:33

       Yeah.

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin39:33

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan39:33

       ... surgeries for young kids.

   30. NANarrator39:34

       Yes, and that was as a result of the Cass Report. Now, the Cass Report was conducted by a lady called Dr. Hilary Cass who's one of the most prominent pediatricians in the UK, and it was an independent report funded by the Conservative government at the time. But when she published that report, she was... Said there is no evidence, zero evidence that puberty blockers actually help or alleviate distress in children who say that they are gender dysphoric. So... And to be fair to the Labor government at the time, uh, the Labor government now, they actually ban puberty blockers-
8. 40:44 – 44:40

   Michael Jackson tangent: puberty blockers theory, talent, and art vs scandal

   1. JRJoe Rogan40:44

      It's really wild. You want to hear something even more wild?

   2. NANarrator40:47

      Go on.

   3. JRJoe Rogan40:47

      Michael Jackson's doctor claims that that's what his father did to him, and that completely makes sense to me, um, because Michael Jackson, when he was young, w-... Had a fucking insane talent. Like, insane.

   4. NANarrator41:03

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan41:03

      He was so good, and his voice was so... And they were so huge. And his father was so overbearing that I could imagine a world where he would decide, like, what's the way to keep his voice the way it is, and you'd use puberty blockers.

   6. KKKonstantin Kisin41:20

      Make him a castrato, basically.

   7. JRJoe Rogan41:22

      Exactly.

   8. NANarrator41:22

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan41:23

      Make him a castrato.

   10. KKKonstantin Kisin41:23

       Fuck.

   11. JRJoe Rogan41:24

       Yeah, and I think that's what they did. But that's what... If you look at his body, it shows no sign of testosterone, right? He's just all limbs.

   12. NANarrator41:33

       Mm-hmm. Right? Whereas his brothers... You ever see his brothers?

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin41:35

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan41:36

       They're thick. They look like athletes.

   15. NANarrator41:38

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan41:38

       Like, all of them look like-... thick men. And Michael is, like, a stick, right?

   17. NANarrator41:43

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan41:43

       And he always had that high-pitched voice.

   19. NANarrator41:45

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan41:45

       And he was always able to sing like a castrata.

   21. NANarrator41:48

       Mm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan41:48

       When you listen to his voice, like the song Human Nature.

   23. NANarrator41:52

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan41:52

       You know that song?

   25. NANarrator41:52

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan41:53

       It's a beautiful song. He has an amazing voice. But if you listen to it, you're like, "That i- that is a crazy song for a man to be able to sing."

   27. NANarrator42:00

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan42:01

       It's not normal s- notes, you know?

   29. NANarrator42:04

       Holy shit.

   30. JRJoe Rogan42:04

       We'll cut it out, but let's play a little bit of it. Play Human Nature from Michael Jackson. We have to cut it out because of fucking copyright-
9. 44:40 – 49:39

   From radio DJs to AI music: what curation used to be

   1. JRJoe Rogan44:40

      And there was a radio station that I used to listen to in Boston. It was like the rock of Boston, WCOZ.

   2. NANarrator44:46

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan44:46

      And it had, like, Charles LaCordara in the morning, and it was like r- you know, it was a cool rock station. And this guy was on the air, he goes, "I know this isn't rock." He goes, "But I'm gonna play it anyway 'cause it's that good." And then he put on Billie Jean. You're like, "Holy shit." You're like, "Holy shit." They just started playing it. He's like, "I'm playi-"... 'Cause you could just play whatever you wanted back then.

   4. NANarrator45:07

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      There was no Jack FM.

   6. NANarrator45:08

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      'Cause we're wacky. There was none of that. Do you guys have that? Where it's like a- just all hits and it's like the-

   8. NANarrator45:13

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      ... call is Jack FM? And there's a million Jack FMs in the United States? Just scattered throughout, like if you're-

   10. NANarrator45:19

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       ... scanning through the radio, you just hear the most mundane hits-

   12. NANarrator45:22

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       ... over and over again?

   14. NANarrator45:23

       Would that be Heart in the UK? Yeah, that would be like Heart. We, we do a version of that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       Yeah.

   16. NANarrator45:27

       What's also interesting about Jackson's career is that MTV at the time, now you've got to... That, that was when MTV was starting to reach its peak, early '80s, and they were saying that they wouldn't play a Black artist.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Right.

   18. NANarrator45:40

       Because the moment they played Black artists, they said ratings would go down, viewings would go down, people wouldn't like it. And the person who really broke through and proved that Black artists could be r- hyper-successful on TV, in the mainstream, on a supposedly white inverted commas channel, was Michael Jackson because he was completely undeniable.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       When this was going on, DJs, um, when this guy was playing this song, were allowed to play whatever they wanted. It was a different world.

   20. NANarrator46:08

       Mm. Mm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Like if a DJ was an interesting person.

   22. NANarrator46:11

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Like there was one of the DJs, used to have this-

   24. NANarrator46:12

       In our country, he was a pedophile, but (laughs) that-

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       (laughs) Well, ours was a little, too, I think.

   26. NANarrator46:18

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       I think there was a scandal with one of ours at Boston, too. But the point is like, these... They were interesting people that would say cool things, they would-

   28. NANarrator46:24

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       ... tell you about something they heard of.

   30. NANarrator46:26

       Mm-hmm.
10. 49:39 – 1:00:25

    AI as a dopamine machine: viral ‘50s soul 50 Cent’ and the future of podcasts

    1. JRJoe Rogan49:39

       And unfortunately, a lot of what I'm finding that I really love lately is AI.

    2. KKKonstantin Kisin49:45

       Really?

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:46

       I love it. I love it. I'm gonna play you a song. This is, um... Well, we'll have to edit this out too.

    4. KKKonstantin Kisin49:52

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan49:52

       But I want you to go, people to go look for it. It's a '50s soul version of 50 Cent. Um...

    6. KKKonstantin Kisin49:59

       Wow.

    7. JRJoe Rogan50:00

       This- the- the latest one, the, uh, the Gangsta one, Jamie. What Up Gangsta? You... This is so good, it's crazy. Like if this guy was a real person who's singing this song, he'd be a fucking superstar. 'Cause what AI has done is they've taken the most impactful sounds that everybody has ever made with their- their mouth, everybody's ever made with their voice, and they've figured out like what is the one that keeps you the most engaged? What is the sound that gets you listening again and again? What is the one that's the most popular? What is the one that's the most soulful? And they created a superstar.

    8. KKKonstantin Kisin50:40

       Holy shit.

    9. JRJoe Rogan50:41

       Listen to this. Listen to this. This is gonna freak you out. I rest my case.

    10. KKKonstantin Kisin50:45

        It's incredible.

    11. JRJoe Rogan50:46

        Okay, we're fucked.

    12. KKKonstantin Kisin50:46

        It's incredible.

    13. JRJoe Rogan50:47

        We're in real trouble.

    14. KKKonstantin Kisin50:49

        Bro-

    15. JRJoe Rogan50:49

        Because it's gonna know everything that gets you excited and it's gonna tune into that and keep you excited all the time. That's what AI is gonna do.

    16. KKKonstantin Kisin50:57

        That sounds terrible, Joe. (laughs)

    17. FFFrancis Foster50:58

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:58

        This be- this is the beginning. That is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard in my life.

    19. KKKonstantin Kisin51:02

        That's incredible. How'd you find it?

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:04

        I don't remember. Um, who tur- who turned us onto that, Jamie?

    21. KKKonstantin Kisin51:07

        Where- where is it? Like, what-

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:08

        Many Men was the first one, right?

    23. FFFrancis Foster51:10

        Yeah, it's the song that just been going viral, is all.

    24. JRJoe Rogan51:11

        Oh. Well, did Brian Simpson send me that?

    25. FFFrancis Foster51:13

        He could've, I don't-

    26. JRJoe Rogan51:14

        He sends me most cool things.

    27. KKKonstantin Kisin51:15

        That's fucking incredible.

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:16

        Uh, yeah, there's a Many Men version of it too. We're gonna cut these out anyway.

    29. KKKonstantin Kisin51:20

        Many Men is a good song-

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:21

        So, we can play this one.
11. 1:00:25 – 1:19:14

    Online conflict vs real life: why remote discourse turns people cruel

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       'Cause you're wasting... You don't have real problems, so you're wasting all your time creating problems. And this is just a- a giant portion of our world right now. And people feel like they have no power and they feel completely disconnected from things.

    2. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:38

       Hmm. Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       And the- the... They're also getting most of their interaction with human beings through social media, which is nuts. Either text message or social media.

    4. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:48

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       Like, this is a- a giant percentage of how people would communicate with each other, with no feelings, no- no context, no social cues, nothing.

    6. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:57

       I- I think it's one of the reasons there's so many, like, beefs going on now as well.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       Mm-hmm.

    8. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:01

       Is 'cause, like, you sit down with people, you're- you're gonna behave in a different way.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       100% of the time.

    10. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:06

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

        100%.

    12. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:06

        Mm-hmm.

    13. FFFrancis Foster1:01:06

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

        Yeah.

    15. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:07

        And you can talk things out. Whereas... And I find this in myself, if I'm having a disagreement with somebody online, I always have to stop myself from going personal, which I would never do-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

        Right, in real life.

    17. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:18

        ... if I, if we're having a debate.

    18. FFFrancis Foster1:01:19

        Of course. Yeah, of course.

    19. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:20

        L- like, D- Dave Smith is a good example. Like, Dave and I disagree about literally everything. We've debated each other twice. It was always respectful, we didn't get personal, we debated the issues.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

        That's great.

    21. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:30

        If- if we're having an engagement on Twitter, I literally have to stop myself from calling him a cunt.

    22. FFFrancis Foster1:01:38

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

        (laughs)

    24. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:39

        (laughs)

    25. FFFrancis Foster1:01:39

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

        (laughs)

    27. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:39

        Do you know what I mean?

    28. FFFrancis Foster1:01:40

        That's a good... I do know what you mean.

    29. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:40

        And- and to his face, it wouldn't even occur to me, 'cause he actually seems like a good guy.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

        He's a great guy.

Episode duration: 2:57:07