Joe Rogan Experience #2400 - Katee Sackhoff

1. 0:00 – 15:00

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   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Especially in Hollywood, right? You always have a little bounce, this guy standing there with the big reflective thing.

   4. KSKatee Sackhoff0:17

      You always need someone, like, wandering around-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Yeah.

   6. KSKatee Sackhoff0:20

      ... in front of you, especially when you get to a certain age. You're like, "Can we just put Vaseline on the camera?" (laughs) At certain points.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Oh, like a filter?

   8. KSKatee Sackhoff0:27

      Yeah, exactly.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      Yeah. My wife actually likes it when her lens on her camera phone is, like, blurry.

   10. KSKatee Sackhoff0:33

       A little dirty?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       She's like, "Gives you, like, a little filter." Like...

   12. KSKatee Sackhoff0:35

       Yeah. I'm sure they offer that filter.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah. Sure.

   14. KSKatee Sackhoff0:38

       Slightly dirty lens. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah. Smudgy lens.

   16. KSKatee Sackhoff0:40

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah. So, uh, really nice to meet you.

   18. KSKatee Sackhoff0:43

       It's nice to meet you.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       You were a part of, I think, the most underappreciated sci-fi show ever.

   20. KSKatee Sackhoff0:50

       I think at the time, absolutely. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       I mean, even now, I don't think people talk about it enough. It was a fucking great show.

   22. KSKatee Sackhoff0:55

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       And I was so skeptical about Battlestar Galactica 'cause when I was a kid, I watched the original series. And then there was a new one coming out, and I was like, "Oh, come on." And then somebody told me. I forget, one of my friends, one of my comedian friends. Like, "Dude, you gotta watch this show. It's fucking great. Like, it't not what you expect." Like, you'd think it'd be like the old Battlestar Galactica, which is kinda sorta corny a little bit.

   24. KSKatee Sackhoff1:17

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       But it was a really fucking good show.

   26. KSKatee Sackhoff1:19

       When did you watch it? When it was on or after?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Yeah. No, when it was on.

   28. KSKatee Sackhoff1:22

       Okay, so originally.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Yeah.

   30. KSKatee Sackhoff1:24

       Yeah. It was, um... God, like, when I first got the script, it was like 2001. And I was a 21-year-old kid. And at that point, I'd been playing, like, stereotypical blond roles. You know, I was in a movie where you were like, "Please die." (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   No way. …

   1. KSKatee Sackhoff15:00

      It was pretty, um...

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      No way.

   3. KSKatee Sackhoff15:02

      Yeah. So I & I had learned... Because everyone... The internet did not exist yet, mind you. It was, like, brand new.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Right.

   5. KSKatee Sackhoff15:09

      You had to go down to the internet cafe, buy 30 minutes, log on.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      By the way, how crazy is that to say?

   7. KSKatee Sackhoff15:14

      Yeah, right? That the internet didn't exist?

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      Right. That wasn't that long ago.

   9. KSKatee Sackhoff15:16

      No. 2003, we were shooting.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       That's crazy.

   11. KSKatee Sackhoff15:19

       Isn't that crazy?

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       It was barely an internet back then.

   13. KSKatee Sackhoff15:20

       Barely an internet. So, um, I went down to an internet cafe, because someone was like, "They're, I guess they're talking about the show in these message boards." And I was like, "What's the internet?" So I went on down, I logged on, and I saw this thread and just the hate that I was getting in this thread. I was like, "Oh, don't Google yourself." Google, I don't even think was a thing. I was like, "Don't search yourself."

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       Don't Netflix Navigator yourself.

   15. KSKatee Sackhoff15:47

       Ever. Um, and, and then, you know, we went to Comic-Con and I was booed. And I think it upset me a little bit. I think it did. I mean, I would, I would be, I would be lying if I said it didn't upset me. Um, but luckily there were enough people that were championing the show, um, that I really didn't pay any mind of it. And, and I was also in that age where it was the perfect age. I mean, I think now it would probably break me. Um, but at 23, I was like, it was like the blissful ignorance of youth, you know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Mm-hmm.

   17. KSKatee Sackhoff16:20

       Like, I didn't think the show would last anyway. So it was like, you know-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Right.

   19. KSKatee Sackhoff16:25

       ... whatever. Like, not a big deal. Just a blip on the radar. Like, "I'm in Hall H," you know?

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Right.

   21. KSKatee Sackhoff16:30

       Um, and then I think that it slowly started winning people over. Um, and then I would go to cons after that, and the line would be longer and the people would be more supportive. And people would say, "I didn't want to like it, and I love it." And, um...

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       I almost feel like the show-

   23. KSKatee Sackhoff16:47

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       ... was burdened by the original show. That sounds crazy, but I think initially it was burdened by the expectations of the original show.

   25. KSKatee Sackhoff16:55

       Well, I think everything is burdened by expectation, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       Sure.

   27. KSKatee Sackhoff16:57

       I mean, I think that that's absolutely true. And so it's, it's, um... I'm sure it was. I, I... There are still people that say that they can't do it, that they were such a fan of the original, and, and my response to them is always like, "Do you love sci-fi? Do you love good sci-fi?" And they say, "Yes." And I'm like, "Then separate it, have zero expectation, and just give it, give it three hours of your time. If you don't get through the miniseries and love it, so what? You lost three hours. Okay." But I don't think that'll happen.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       No. If you're a fan of sci-fi, it's one of the best ever.

   29. KSKatee Sackhoff17:30

       Yeah. So I've actually, I've actually never seen it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       You just did it. You never saw it?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Oh, wow. …

   1. KSKatee Sackhoff30:00

      and things around medicine that can vastly change, uh, people's lives. It can change the way that we track records, uh, change the way that we keep track of patients all over the world, that, you know, like, uh, our daughter has a very rare form of, of cancer with this like, you know, genetic mutation that is... there's no other patients in the United States. There was one kid like a few years ago, but they've lost track of him.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      Oh, wow.

   3. KSKatee Sackhoff30:27

      Well, AI would be able to tell us in other countries, "No, no, no, there is a little boy in Germany that has the same genetic mutation," and then the doctors could talk to each other.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      Hmm.

   5. KSKatee Sackhoff30:38

      And so AI...... could and will, uh, help a lot of people that way. Um, so I- I do see it as a tool in a lot of ways that we shouldn't be scared of, that we should be sort of welcoming it in. Um, but man, (laughs) I don't want it to blackmail me.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:59

      I don't think it's gonna blackmail you. I think it's gonna-

   7. KSKatee Sackhoff31:01

      (laughs) .

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:01

      Once it becomes sentient, and it probably already is-

   9. KSKatee Sackhoff31:04

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       And then once it becomes autonomous, then I don't think it's gonna care what we do.

   11. KSKatee Sackhoff31:09

       About us.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Yeah. I think it's gonna be so superior. And it's also gonna be able to make better versions of itself.

   13. KSKatee Sackhoff31:15

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       That's, that's gonna be re- That's where people don't understand exponential increase in technological innovation-

   15. KSKatee Sackhoff31:21

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       Because once it knows ... and once it has a mandate to make better versions of itself-

   17. KSKatee Sackhoff31:27

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       Find better power sources-

   19. KSKatee Sackhoff31:28

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       The changes are gonna be daily, like-

   21. KSKatee Sackhoff31:31

       Of course.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       Giant, huge leaps.

   23. KSKatee Sackhoff31:33

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       And it's gonna make a digital god.

   25. KSKatee Sackhoff31:36

       Well, so, okay, so you bring up something really interesting because I'm so ... As a mom to a little girl and a little boy, I'm really concerned about this because so I see this actress that's been created, this Tilly person.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Right, the artif- the AI actress.

   27. KSKatee Sackhoff31:49

       The AI actress.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       Yeah.

   29. KSKatee Sackhoff31:50

       So I-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       How is there only one?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Well, that's very nice…

   1. KSKatee Sackhoff45:00

      me to stop being so sensitive. "Stop being so sensitive, Katy. Stop taking your- you're taking yourself so seriously. Oh, my God. Like, stop, Katy." I mean, my entire fucking life. And he came to me a couple years ago and he said, "I am so sorry I told you to stop being so sensitive, because it's your job. Your job is to be sensitive to everything around you, to accurately portray emotions. That's your job, and you're very good at it."

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:28

      Well, that's very nice of him, to recognize that.

   3. KSKatee Sackhoff45:29

      It was very nice of him. So, I think that, yes, do people have a lot of mental illness in, in Los Angeles? Are they suffering from depression? I would argue that, uh, it, the majority of the population is, and it's not just reserved to California, but I do think that a lot of artists are, because they're more in touch with their, their emotions and their mental health.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:51

      Yeah, there's probably some truth to that, for sure. Does your father have... Do you have brothers?

   5. KSKatee Sackhoff45:55

      I do.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:56

      Okay, so that's the difference. So, I have all daughters.

   7. KSKatee Sackhoff46:00

      Okay.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:00

      And when you have all daughters, one of the things you realize is, like, oh, they're so different.

   9. KSKatee Sackhoff46:04

      (laughs) Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       (laughs) It's like they're just a totally different kind of human.

   11. KSKatee Sackhoff46:08

       True.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       And, you know, and when you're like, "Why are you upset?" Like, 'cause I'm treating him like, uh, you're treating her like she's a boy.

   13. KSKatee Sackhoff46:13

       Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       You cannot treat them like they're a boy. And, you know, uh, over time, it's given me a much greater understanding of females.

   15. KSKatee Sackhoff46:23

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       Of the species.

   17. KSKatee Sackhoff46:24

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:25

       Of, of female human beings. Like, they're not male human beings.

   19. KSKatee Sackhoff46:28

       No. Mm-mm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       Like, when I, oh, I hang out with my, like, if I go out with my wife and all of her friends and I just let them talk and observe the stuff they talk about, like, it's like you're s- you're a totally different culture. This is totally different interests. None of my friends would have any of these conversations.

   21. KSKatee Sackhoff46:42

       But we're also have, uh, a group of women is arguably more disgusting than men. A group of men.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:48

       Oh, sexually? (laughs)

   23. KSKatee Sackhoff46:48

       Uh, no, just in general.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:50

       (laughs)

   25. KSKatee Sackhoff46:50

       Like, have you ever sat down with a group of women and, like, just talked about, like, bodily fluids? (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:56

       Bodily functions? Yeah. Well, they, they're notorious for being the worst in bathrooms. That-

   27. KSKatee Sackhoff47:00

       Oh, my God.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       ... and they, anybody who cleans bathrooms says, "Dude, the women's room is always fucking chaos."

   29. KSKatee Sackhoff47:04

       It's so gross.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:05

       Because they have to be so clean and put together everywhere else. When they get to that bathroom and they don't have any responsibility, no one's looking, they just fucking leave-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:26

   Hmm. …

   1. KSKatee Sackhoff1:00:00

      working with diggers." And it writes a story for you in five seconds to read to your son. Now, yeah, okay, is that, is that cool? Absolutely. Did your son enjoy it? Sure. But you robbed yourself of the imagination and the work that it would have taken to come up with a s- a story for your son. And then you also robbed yourself of that experience with your son creating the story together because his reactions would have changed the story and the way that you were creating it-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

      Hmm.

   3. KSKatee Sackhoff1:00:27

      ... as it was going because he's your audience, right? That's sad to me, like, that, that people are missing out on that. Yeah, cool, you just wri- you might as well just read your kid a story 'cause you really didn't write him a story. That's not... And so I don't know. That's the thing that, that I, I hope as a society, 'cause you're right, it is coming, and it's here, and it's not slowing down. And, but I hope that we can still steal away those moments where we don't want to use it, because Johnny's little dad may have missed his second calling of being a children's story author because he never pushed himself to have to do it. And that could have been really cool. Um, I don't know. I just, that's... I'm not, I'm not completely against AI.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

      (smacks lips) I know what you're saying-

   5. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:12

      But I, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

      ... and you're always gonna have people that give up.

   7. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:17

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

      That's just how life is. You're always gonna have people that don't find another way.

   9. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:22

      It's true.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       You can't save those folks.

   11. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:23

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       And I don't even want to.

   13. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:25

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       Because I think that's part of the whole process of culture. I think we have to figure it out by watching people fail. And unfortunately, some of us have to, have to fail. And it doesn't mean you fail forever.... if that guy figures out that he's on the wrong path and he's got some self-assessment ability, and he looks back and goes, "Okay, what did I do wrong?"

   15. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:42

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       "Why am I, why am I being such a bitch?"

   17. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:44

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

       "Why don't I just get my life together? Like, what the fuck is wrong with me? Why am I drinking? Why am I smoking?"

   19. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:48

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       "Why am I, why am I killing my health? Why am I, you know, p- depress- why don't I just go for a run?"

   21. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:53

       Hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       "Let's see how that goes. When was... I'm gonna sign up for a yoga class. How about that?"

   23. KSKatee Sackhoff1:01:57

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       "I'll just try that for a while. I'll do something different. I will, I'll start taking vitamins." Fucking do something. Figure out something else that you like to do. Are you alive?

   25. KSKatee Sackhoff1:02:05

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

       Are you breathing? Then life isn't over. Stop being a bitch. You could have been born during the time of the Revolutionary War, and you just got shot with a musket and you're bleeding out on a field.

   27. KSKatee Sackhoff1:02:14

       Hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

       No, you're in Santa Barbara, and, you know, you, you don't like that AI just took your job. Find a new job, bitch. Figure it out.

   29. KSKatee Sackhoff1:02:22

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

       Like, that's what we all have to do in this life. There's a lot of different people doing a lot of different things.

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