Joe Rogan Experience #2405 - Luis J Gomez & Big Jay Oakerson

1. 0:00 – 1:28

   Comedy Magic Club’s “no one gets upset” origin story + clean-club rules

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum roll)

   3. LGLuis J. Gomez0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Yeah. Well, he's the nicest guy in the world. That's part of the problem.

   4. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:17

      No, he's very sweet-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah.

   6. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:18

      ... but it was like, like the, when they tell you the story of it, it was, he was like at a comedy club once and like somebody in the audience made fun of him. (laughs) And he's like, "I'm gonna go to a place where no one upsets anybody ever."

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      (laughs)

   8. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:28

      "I'm gonna make a place like that." And that was the Comedy Magic Club.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      Still, they would let us roll in there. They did stop Joey from doing shows there though.

   10. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:35

       Did they really?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       'Cause there's too many-

   12. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:36

       I've done spots there.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       ... people that were like normal people that would come in when Joey was opening for me. (laughs)

   14. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:42

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       And Joe, "You're eating her ass from behind. You're doing the pigeon-"

   16. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:45

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       "... when your nose goes in her asshole." (laughs)

   18. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:47

       They seem-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       People are like, "No way." (laughs)

   20. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:49

       ... they let, uh, Tosh do whatever he wanted, I think.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Yeah, Tosh-

   22. BOBig Jay Oakerson0:52

       Tosh did whatever, and they, and when I, when they asked me to do spots there f- like eventually when I went there, I was like, I, I kinda, I don't know. It's like, it's a weird spot for me to do if it's a clean club. And then, no, they're like, "You can do your thing." Like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Clean clubs are odd. There used to be this place in, uh, Mount Vernon, New York called, uh, the Champagne Comedy Club. It was like an all black room, and the guy who ran it was like very Christian, very religious, and he was like, "No motherfuckers."

   24. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:16

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       He goes, "I don't wanna hear no motherfuckers." He goes, "You don't say, 'That bitch had a big ass.' You say, 'That woman had a wide behind.'"

   26. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:22

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Like, he had a whole-

   28. LGLuis J. Gomez1:23

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       ... speech he would give you before you would work there.

   30. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:26

       Yeah.
2. 1:28 – 2:45

   Nate Bargatze: the clean comic who can still get wild offstage

   1. LGLuis J. Gomez1:28

      I've, I've only tried to work clean a few times. I, uh, so I used to open for Nate Bargatze, who is, like, super clean.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      One of the cleanest.

   3. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:33

      Yeah.

   4. LGLuis J. Gomez1:33

      I mean, one of the cleanest.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:35

      Yeah.

   6. LGLuis J. Gomez1:35

      But he, uh, w- w- brilliant.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:36

      Hilarious.

   8. LGLuis J. Gomez1:36

      You don't even know that he's clean until-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:37

      Exactly.

   10. LGLuis J. Gomez1:37

       ... somebody points it out.

   11. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:38

       Oh, yeah. That's why he's phenomenal.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       Like, like Gaffigan. Like same-

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez1:40

       Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       ... thing as Gaffigan.

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez1:41

       But he's-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       Like, nobody cares-

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez1:42

       ... even cleaner than Gaffigan.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       ... that he's clean.

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez1:42

       Gaffigan will curse once in a while. Nate, he's never said a curse word on microphone.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       No.

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez1:46

       Ever.

   22. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:47

       Oh, that's not true.

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez1:47

       That's crazy.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       Uh, I don't think so.

   25. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:49

       Nah, he was hammered one night-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       (laughs)

   27. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:51

       ... at the New York Comedy Club. He called a lady a cunt immediately.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       (laughs)

   29. LGLuis J. Gomez1:54

       (laughs) No.

   30. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:54

       We had to stop her boyfriend from attacking him. He doesn't, he- he-
3. 2:45 – 4:26

   Skankfest metal chaos: Wall of Death and a lost Nate in the crowd

   1. LGLuis J. Gomez2:45

      He, uh, he was at Skankfest one year. We do, we, you know, Josh M. Meyer's Goddamn Comedy Jam.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:49

      Mm-hmm.

   3. LGLuis J. Gomez2:49

      So, and it's always very heavy metal at Skankfest. We all do like metal songs, you know, Tony's s- singing System of a Down. Jay always does Slipknot. And, uh, what, what song was it? Was it, uh, it was Slipknot, right? We were doing the, the Wall of Death.

   4. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:02

      Oh, oh. No, no, no. It was Break Stuff, Limp Bizkit.

   5. LGLuis J. Gomez3:04

      Limp Bizkit, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:05

      (laughs)

   7. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:05

      So there's a breakdown where like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      (laughs)

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez3:06

      ... the, the music kinda like is just playing, right? And Jay starts a Wall of Death. If you've never been to a, like a heavy metal concert, essentially the entire floor splits open.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       (laughs)

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez3:16

       And it's just two, like on both, uh, two walls of people just staring at each other, just ready. And then when the music drops, they all converge and just like kill each other.

   12. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:23

       There's great video, there's videos of it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       Jeez.

   14. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:25

       Uh, Rob Dukes from Exodus has like one of the biggest ones ever. We started one.

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez3:28

       Yeah, Wall of Death. It's a great thing at a metal concert. So we did, we did this-

   16. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:31

       It looks awesome.

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez3:31

       ... at Skankfest.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       (laughs)

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez3:31

       And Nate, Nate's never been to a metal concert.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       (laughs)

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez3:34

       So he's just hammered. This is when he was drinking. He's just like bopping around like in the middle of it. He doesn't realize-

   22. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:38

       Everyone splits. He's staying in the middle, and I'm, uh, you know, it's, I'm doing the song so I'm going at one point-

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez3:44

       (laughs)

   24. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:44

       ... off microphone though, I'm just trying to go, I'm like, I'm like, "Nate." I'm like-

   25. LGLuis J. Gomez3:46

       (laughs)

   26. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:47

       ... I'm like, "Dude, you gotta like, you know what..." And he just keeps raising his beer. He's like...

   27. LGLuis J. Gomez3:51

       Yeah. (laughs)

   28. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:51

       And I was like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       That's hilarious.

   30. BOBig Jay Oakerson3:53

       No but, and like we couldn't in-
4. 4:26 – 6:29

   Moshing etiquette, hardcore violence, and why “wrong violence” gets punished

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:26

      Who started the mosh pit?

   2. BOBig Jay Oakerson4:28

      Ooh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      That seems like one of the craziest elements in all of music is that there's-

   4. BOBig Jay Oakerson4:32

      I'm gonna go with the black people.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:33

      ... agreed upon... (laughs)

   6. LGLuis J. Gomez4:36

      (laughs)

   7. BOBig Jay Oakerson4:36

      Shh. We stole it. We stole it from-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:37

      We stole those things from them. (laughs)

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez4:38

      (laughs)

   10. BOBig Jay Oakerson4:38

       We stole, we stole it from them.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       I mean-

   12. BOBig Jay Oakerson4:40

       Jazz, rock, the mosh pit.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Right. Oh, rock and roll for sure.

   14. LGLuis J. Gomez4:43

       It had to be punk rock, right? Probably '70s, like, uh, Sex Pistols.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       I guess. I wish I knew. I, uh, I remember I was dating a girl when I was 20, 21, and she was really into like these crazy bands. And she went to this band and she was in a mosh pit and got k- a fucking concussion from a headbutt. And then-

   16. LGLuis J. Gomez5:01

       What-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       ... came over to my apartment afterwards. I'm like, "Why are you doing that?" Uh.

   18. LGLuis J. Gomez5:04

       Sex Pistols, hell yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       Sex Pistols.

   20. BOBig Jay Oakerson5:06

       What is funny, the difference in like what, like people that are like hardcore metal people would think of a band like Korn or Disturbed or bands like that. Where it's like those are the mosh pits more that I've been around in my life where there's almost like a, the guy on stage is even making it soft. He's like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Yeah.

   22. BOBig Jay Oakerson5:22

       ... "If a brother falls down..." And it's always like some kind of Valhalla speech.

   23. LGLuis J. Gomez5:26

       Oh, boy.

   24. BOBig Jay Oakerson5:26

       "If a brother falls, you pick your brother up. You don't stomp him uh." And it's all about like, you know, pulling each other off the ground and banging into each other and, and walking in circles.

   25. LGLuis J. Gomez5:34

       You kind of just bump into each other.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:35

       Oh, okay.

   27. BOBig Jay Oakerson5:35

       I, I went to a small show at the, uh, the old Knitting Factory in Manhattan for a band. I forget what they were called, but it was like, they stopped the show because the mosh pit... I was like watching from above, but the mosh pit was like-... punch, kick-

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       Oh, jeez.

   29. BOBig Jay Oakerson5:48

       Like, kind- and people were getting fucked up.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       That's like hardcore shows.
5. 6:29 – 13:45

   Pantera at MSG: Luis plays peacemaker (and accidentally makes it worse)

   1. BOBig Jay Oakerson6:29

      It was the funniest concert experience I've ever had, was with Louis at Pantera. We went to go see them. It was like, it was two times ago that we saw them.

   2. LGLuis J. Gomez6:37

      Yeah.

   3. BOBig Jay Oakerson6:37

      At Madison Square Garden.

   4. LGLuis J. Gomez6:39

      Pantera's love.

   5. BOBig Jay Oakerson6:40

      You were just... Y- Louis was just having... Again, some of... I'll, I'll always call Louis to go to a few... He doesn't go to a lot of concerts with me, but like the nostalgic ones that'll hit him, he'll go to, uh, sometimes. So Pantera, he'll always wanna bring his sister, and we go. And he goes... He's in a good mood. He's feeling good and we're in our 40s, so he's not looking to really get in the mosh pits or anything.

   6. LGLuis J. Gomez6:58

      Well, the other thing about now, like, and it's a generational thing. Like Pantera, when I first saw Pantera live, Ozzfest '97-

   7. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:05

      Scary.

   8. LGLuis J. Gomez7:05

      Giants Stadium, the entire floor became a mosh pit.

   9. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:08

      Yeah.

   10. LGLuis J. Gomez7:08

       And I was a kid. It was the scariest thing I'd ever seen. People started jumping over the rafters. There's videos of this. Um, like jumping off... (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       (laughs)

   12. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:18

       I was like, okay, okay.

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez7:19

       He's got a weapon. Jesus Christ, he's in a flashback right now.

   14. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:22

       Yeah, this is how your father got put down.

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez7:23

       Let's, uh, see if we can find a video of that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       People started jumping over the, um, the barriers, like from above at Giants Stadium and just spilling into the floor. The entire floor turns into a mosh pit. It's... I'm 13 years old, 14 years old.

   17. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:36

       Imagine you're working security at that place and, you know, you're just a kind of retired guy who takes a security job. Oh, yeah.

   18. LGLuis J. Gomez7:43

       That's it.

   19. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:44

       It's the worst.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       You're, you have to go to the mosh pit. (laughs)

   21. LGLuis J. Gomez7:47

       Pull people apart.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       You're 62.

   23. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:49

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       You know.

   25. LGLuis J. Gomez7:50

       (laughs)

   26. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:50

       Hey, somebody get Old Blend from the front. We need more people in the pit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       (laughs) He used to work-

   28. LGLuis J. Gomez7:53

       Is this it?

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       ... for like some Long Island police station.

   30. BOBig Jay Oakerson7:56

       This is it, yeah.
6. 13:45 – 16:09

   Joe’s early concerts + working venue security (and comedy’s audio problems outdoors)

   1. BOBig Jay Oakerson13:45

      What's the... Did you go, did you go to a lot of concerts growing up?

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:47

      Yeah. I, yeah, I did, but, you know-

   3. BOBig Jay Oakerson13:48

      What kind of bands were you into, though? Were they crazy shows?

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:50

      ... I'm so much older than you guys, so w- when I was in high school was the '80s. So, like, the first band I ever went to see live was the J. Geils Band.

   5. BOBig Jay Oakerson13:57

      Nice.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:58

      Yeah.

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez13:59

      Peter Wolfe?

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:59

      Like <singing .

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez14:00

      Of course.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       Remember that?

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez14:01

       Yeah, of course.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       Angus as the centerfold. He was huge back then. And, um, and then I saw George Thorogood. I saw George Thorogood-

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez14:09

       Nice.

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:09

       ... with some other dude. Oh, Johnny Winter, that's who it was.

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez14:12

       Damn.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       The albino dude.

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez14:13

       Had his ugly motherfuckers and went to go see.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       Oh, my God, it was amazing. Uh, that was amazing.

   19. BOBig Jay Oakerson14:16

       George Thorogood looks like fucking Rusty from European Vacation.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:20

       Does he look like that now? Is that what you're saying?

   21. BOBig Jay Oakerson14:22

       Now he looks terrible.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:23

       (laughs)

   23. BOBig Jay Oakerson14:23

       No, back then he always-

   24. LGLuis J. Gomez14:24

       (laughs)

   25. BOBig Jay Oakerson14:24

       ... he always... That really is, it's music for, like, ginger guys to fix a car and do this to-

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       It's a, it's a-

   27. BOBig Jay Oakerson14:29

       ... George Thorogood.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       It's a-

   29. LGLuis J. Gomez14:29

       Look, man.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       ... 1981 song. That's what it is. It's, like, a great song from '81.
7. 16:09 – 21:27

   Kinison, special-release pace, and the ‘recording is never your best hour’ problem

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:09

      He was there, I believe... I'm trying to remember who else. Uh, definitely I s- I paid to see Kinison there. That was wild. And then-

   2. BOBig Jay Oakerson16:18

      Do you think people like Kinison would've, uh, grown with the times?

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:24

      No.

   4. LGLuis J. Gomez16:25

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      I think Kinison, well, he would've had to sober up. And if he sobered up, I don't know if he'd be the same thing. He's like-

   6. LGLuis J. Gomez16:32

      (coughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:32

      ... the best example of a guy who was maybe the greatest and most influential comedian of all time for, like, a year.

   8. BOBig Jay Oakerson16:43

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:43

      Like, when he came... There was a, a moment when he was talking about, like, Jesus on the cross. You know, I think his lapse words were-

   10. BOBig Jay Oakerson16:50

       I'd be okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       ... <sorority 1"Oh, not my left hand! Not my left"-

   12. LGLuis J. Gomez16:52

       (laughs)

   13. BOBig Jay Oakerson16:53

       <laughing You can help me if I, if you get, if you get a back of a hammer." You could help-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       It was, like, a completely different kind of comedy.

   15. BOBig Jay Oakerson16:57

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       The thing about homosexual necrophiliacs paying money to be with the freshest male customers.

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez17:02

       (laughs)

   18. BOBig Jay Oakerson17:03

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       The go... You know, going to the mortuaries and paying money. That bit is fucking crazy. It's so funny.

   20. LGLuis J. Gomez17:08

       Oh, yeah.

   21. BOBig Jay Oakerson17:08

       Oh, no.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:08

       The bit about the starving kids in Africa, like, holy shit, man.

   23. BOBig Jay Oakerson17:12

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       But it, it only lasted for a short window, and then the stuff after that, he was partying so much. The material was not anywhere near as good. It was all... Like, the points weren't interesting.

   25. BOBig Jay Oakerson17:26

       But do you think he had-

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       It was just-

   27. BOBig Jay Oakerson17:26

       ... it in him to evolve?

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:28

       He would've had to fucking clean his act up, I think. I think what you're seeing is a guy, first of all, who develops his act over, like, 10 years before he gets... before he makes it. And when he makes it, he's fucking good. I mean, he's, like, one of the best ever. And then he has to come up with a whole new act in a year, but he's just doing coke and he's partying and he's hanging out with Bon Jovi, and it's like-

   29. LGLuis J. Gomez17:50

       Well, that's, that's, like, what it, it's, like, with everybody. It's like everyone does their first, like, album or special-

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       Mm-hmm.
8. 21:27 – 25:40

   Live Netflix special nerves + preparation rituals + crowd-work fantasies

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:27

      So I take-

   2. LGLuis J. Gomez21:27

      Were you freaking out 'cause he flubbed his joke?

   3. BOBig Jay Oakerson21:28

      Another thing stolen from the Black man.

   4. LGLuis J. Gomez21:30

      (laughs)

   5. BOBig Jay Oakerson21:31

      Write it down, Louis.

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:32

      Uh, it wasn't my idea. I just wanna say it was Netflix' idea.

   7. LGLuis J. Gomez21:34

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:35

      Um, but-

   9. LGLuis J. Gomez21:35

      'Cause he, he flubbed the line in his, like, la-

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       Yeah.

   11. LGLuis J. Gomez21:37

       ... his last bit, which was, like, the line.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       I know. Whoopsies.

   13. LGLuis J. Gomez21:40

       Ugh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       Yeah. I definitely treated it different than any other set.

   15. BOBig Jay Oakerson21:43

       He's like, "When I freshed the slap prints, shit."

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:46

       (laughs)

   17. LGLuis J. Gomez21:47

       (laughs)

   18. BOBig Jay Oakerson21:47

       "Fuck me running."

   19. LGLuis J. Gomez21:50

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       (laughs)

   21. BOBig Jay Oakerson21:50

       Uh, uh, cut it. Oh, no.

   22. LGLuis J. Gomez21:54

       Positions. First positions, everyone.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:56

       Yeah. It's a weird thing, man, to just, just go ready, live, go to, like, millions of people. It's a weird thing. But I, I was in, in my head I was like, "But why? Why is it any different than a show?" Well, it's all you're mind fucking yourself. So what it, what would prevent you from mind fucking yourself? Just go over your material with such a fine-tooth comb that when you get up on stage you'll, you can be just loose and completely relaxed. You're not even thinking about where to go and how to do it. You're just thinking about, like, locking in and you're gonna be live for an hour. And I was like, "God, it's fucking terrifying." Like let's see what-

   24. LGLuis J. Gomez22:29

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       ... let's see what that feels like.

   26. LGLuis J. Gomez22:30

       Did you fuck up anything that we don't know about?

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       No. Nope. Felt exactly like a regular set.

   28. LGLuis J. Gomez22:35

       Perfect.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       Uh, I did one set there Friday night that we filmed as well that didn't go live, and then the Saturday night one was completely live. And it was, uh, you know, I'd already done the room so I was relaxed. I got a feel for the room, you know, because it was Friday night. It was a lot of fun. The show was great. And I was like, "Okay, we're ready." And then Saturday just all day going over material, watching recordings. I just s- saturated my brain so that I could just be completely relaxed when I went out there. So it was, like, 100% prepared. As opposed to, like, a regular Tuesday night where you could just kinda go on stage. Like, you know-

   30. BOBig Jay Oakerson23:08

       Sure.
9. 25:40 – 32:22

   Manosphere/Rogan Sphere to trans discourse: Don Lemon, Megyn Kelly, and ‘clockable’

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:40

      The manosphere is a real subject. Like they... People believe that it's real, that there's this like coalition of men like trying to convert young boys into the evil ways of being a man, the manosphere.

   2. LGLuis J. Gomez25:53

      I think that's the same thing as the Rogan Sphere. (laughs)

   3. BOBig Jay Oakerson25:55

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:55

      No, the manos- the manospher- it's like there's h- levels to it.

   5. BOBig Jay Oakerson25:58

      I think you're saying it wrong.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:58

      Like Andrew Tate's the highest level of the manosphere, right?

   7. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:01

      Oh, right, right.

   8. LGLuis J. Gomez26:01

      Oh, of course.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:01

      Right? That's-

   10. LGLuis J. Gomez26:02

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:02

       That's top G of the manosphere.

   12. LGLuis J. Gomez26:04

       Of course.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:05

       If you're like categorizing those things, the thing that you're most terrified of is a guy like Andrew Tate.

   14. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:10

       I was never like stoked on that kind of like Maxim-

   15. LGLuis J. Gomez26:11

       Yeah, if, if I'm a young like, uh, Ukrainian girl. (laughs)

   16. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:14

       Yeah. (laughs) I've never been to that kind of like, uh, the Maxim Magazine, Spike TV, like energy of what they're like, "This is what guys wanna see."

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       Oh.

   18. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:25

       "A car crash and a girl with big tits in a bikini."

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:26

       I had a Maxim Magazine subscription.

   20. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:28

       You had a... Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:29

       FHM. I loved it.

   22. LGLuis J. Gomez26:29

       The thing about it is, yeah, you're right, but also, it works.

   23. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:34

       No, no.

   24. LGLuis J. Gomez26:34

       You know, why try to reinvent the wheel? (laughs)

   25. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:36

       No, it definitely works. I pulled myself out of that thing because I was like, this isn't my... Like, getting a Maxim Magazine, like hometown chicks in their bikinis. I'm like, "These girls would never talk to me." I just have like, um, like too much self-loathing to be into it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:48

       Dude, if you could make money-

   27. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:48

       It's like, "Here's fancy clothes." Well, I don't fit in those clothes. Like everything was just gonna bum around those magazines. So I would just get straight pornography.

   28. LGLuis J. Gomez26:56

       Yeah.

   29. BOBig Jay Oakerson26:57

       And even then I would-

   30. LGLuis J. Gomez26:57

       Because you can, you can get those girls.
10. 32:22 – 36:59

    Porn, surveillance paranoia, and AI/VR’s next leap (Taylor Swift deepfakes)

    1. JRJoe Rogan32:22

       Porn, p- I, I still watch porn here and there, but it's just gotten to the point where it just, every time I watch it and I start jerking off, I feel, like, this sense of, like, p- like, almost like if somebody was watching me right now, how pathetic this would look.

    2. BOBig Jay Oakerson32:34

       Yeah.

    3. LGLuis J. Gomez32:34

       Like, you're, like, beating your dick like a monkey, like-

    4. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       Somebody probably is watching you.

    5. BOBig Jay Oakerson32:38

       Probably.

    6. JRJoe Rogan32:39

       There's probably, yeah. There's probably someone's collecting information of you.

    7. LGLuis J. Gomez32:42

       Of how I jerk off?

    8. JRJoe Rogan32:43

       Yeah, for either through your front-facing camera or through the, the camera on your... (laughs) on your-

    9. BOBig Jay Oakerson32:48

       (laughs)

    10. JRJoe Rogan32:48

        ... computer.

    11. BOBig Jay Oakerson32:48

        Good thing that on my facial recognition pictures are this.

    12. JRJoe Rogan32:50

        Oh.

    13. LGLuis J. Gomez32:53

        (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan32:55

        (laughs)

    15. BOBig Jay Oakerson32:55

        (laughs)

    16. LGLuis J. Gomez32:55

        (laughs)

    17. BOBig Jay Oakerson32:55

        Take that picture all you want.

    18. JRJoe Rogan32:56

        Yeah, it's-

    19. BOBig Jay Oakerson32:56

        You're not gonna get any doors with that. (laughs)

    20. LGLuis J. Gomez32:57

        It's pathetic, yeah. (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan32:57

        We e- we all kinda know it, right? Like, they, we know that the cameras are on, but we still jerk off right in front of our computers. (laughs)

    22. LGLuis J. Gomez33:02

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan33:02

        You know what's weird? What's weird-

    24. BOBig Jay Oakerson33:03

        You just put a piece of tape over it, and I'm like, "Let 'em see."

    25. JRJoe Rogan33:06

        (laughs)

    26. LGLuis J. Gomez33:06

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan33:07

        Weird, it's weird that porn is f- free, basically. Like, you just go on a website and you could watch it. But also, they're still making it. Like-

    28. LGLuis J. Gomez33:18

        Sort of. I think the studios are, like, almost barely making anything anymore. It's all, like, OnlyFans chicks now.

    29. BOBig Jay Oakerson33:22

        Yeah, I think it's-

    30. JRJoe Rogan33:22

        But even that.
11. 36:59 – 42:22

    AI movies vs practical effects: Star Wars prompts, Alien suits, Jaws minimal screen time

    1. JRJoe Rogan36:59

       I, I think they're real close to AI being as normal looking as any 4K video. I don't, I don't think... I think they could just make it look-

    2. LGLuis J. Gomez37:08

       Oh, we're, we're a couple years away from it being, like, straight up-

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:11

       Yeah.

    4. LGLuis J. Gomez37:11

       ... you could generate a whole movie.

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:12

       Anything.

    6. BOBig Jay Oakerson37:12

       No, but what generation is...... gonna be generally into, like, consuming and giving a shit about an AI made movie. There's something about-

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:20

       I think there's going to-

    8. BOBig Jay Oakerson37:20

       There's something still about... Didn't you even feel like... Sometimes I go back and watch a little bit older movies and it's good. Like, thank God, like, The Thing, the movie, The Thing-

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:29

       John Carpenter.

    10. BOBig Jay Oakerson37:29

        ... with Kurt Russell, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:30

        Yeah.

    12. BOBig Jay Oakerson37:30

        Thank God it was, like, practical effects time still, and it wasn't just like... 'Cause now you're just watching a, uh, a video game-

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:36

        Right.

    14. BOBig Jay Oakerson37:36

        ... essentially on screen.

    15. LGLuis J. Gomez37:36

        Yeah, I was thinking about that exact thing. You can't go back and watch... Like, if you try to watch Psycho now, right, compared to, like, it just... It's not scary. When peop- when Psycho came out, people were vomiting in the movie theater, and they were running out, like, freaking out. You get used to whatever it is. Like, my son can't watch a movie from the '80s really. He, like, he can't hold his attention. Like, whatever... So I think as the technology goes on and as we're more-

    16. BOBig Jay Oakerson37:56

        He's more and more autistic.

    17. LGLuis J. Gomez37:57

        (laughs) As we- as we're doing more and more AI content, people are gonna get used to it and that's what they're gonna be used to consuming. It's like short videos. Everyone watches short 30 second, one minute long clips now. Nobody really watches TV shows or movies.

    18. BOBig Jay Oakerson38:10

        I mean, people are still watching movies I think. But it's just like-

    19. LGLuis J. Gomez38:13

        I think older people.

    20. BOBig Jay Oakerson38:14

        Maybe. That's what I'm saying. We might be the dying breed of giving a shit about that at all. Some people will be like, "Yeah, if you can get every star I love and to be in one movie, I'll watch it even if it's fake."

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:23

        I think you're definitely gonna get people that accept that. And you're gonna be able to just generate it instantly with a prompt. You know, they're doing... (clears throat) They do L- Star Wars scenes that never happened with young Luke Skywalker now. Have you seen them?

    22. BOBig Jay Oakerson38:35

        Mm-hmm.

    23. LGLuis J. Gomez38:35

        Yeah, yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan38:36

        You've seen them, right?

    25. BOBig Jay Oakerson38:36

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan38:37

        J- Jamie, put one up just so we could look at it. It's fucking incredible. It looks better than the original Star Wars footage, right? Because that stuff wasn't in HD back then. And it looks exactly like young Luke Skywalker and in the s- exact same voice because they just take the voice from Luke Skywalker from the movies, regenerate it, and it can say anything you want it to.

    27. BOBig Jay Oakerson38:56

        It's better than, like, animated stuff. But I've never even been able to follow when they, like, do animated versions. I think there's, like, an animated Predator movie coming out that I'll never watch.

    28. JRJoe Rogan39:05

        Yeah.

    29. BOBig Jay Oakerson39:05

        Just because it's animated.

    30. JRJoe Rogan39:06

        It's all just CGI weird stuff. It's like that uncanny valley. Rick Baker talked about that. He's the guy that made The American Werewolf in London.
12. 42:22 – 54:53

    Thriller deep dive: Rick Baker, iconic scares, and the Michael Jackson controversy detour

    1. BOBig Jay Oakerson42:22

       Jamie, if you could bring up Michael Jackson filming, like, the audio while he's in, like, werewolf makeup of Changing, and they want him to, like, scream. You know, he's growling 'cause it's like the pain of changing into a werewolf. And they just keep going back and forth.

    2. LGLuis J. Gomez42:36

       He's not officially a werewolf, right? He's a cat, isn't it? It was like the official statement from the director.

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:40

       Yeah.

    4. LGLuis J. Gomez42:40

       That's it.

    5. JRJoe Rogan42:40

       He's like a were-cat or something.

    6. BOBig Jay Oakerson42:42

       Well, whatever he's doing while he's changing, they keep bouncing back from the sound booth to the actual video where it's like he's changed he goes, "Ah." And then in the booth he's going, "Ow. Yowies."

    7. JRJoe Rogan42:55

       (laughs)

    8. NANarrator42:55

       (laughs)

    9. LGLuis J. Gomez42:55

       (laughs)

    10. BOBig Jay Oakerson42:55

        Michael Jackson. It's so goddamn funny.

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:02

        Sheesh.

    12. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:02

        Whoa.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:03

        Dude.

    14. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:03

        It's definitely the... (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:05

        Music videos used to be the shit, especially ones like that.

    16. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:08

        That literally, when he said Get Away-

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:09

        Yeah.

    18. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:09

        ... I jumped from the couch to a living room floor.

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:12

        Got to live.

    20. NANarrator43:12

        His eyes start changing.

    21. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:13

        So yeah, it scared the shit out of me.

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:13

        Yeah.

    23. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:13

        'Cause also I'm like, Michael Jackson, my hero. Yeah, here, that's Rick Baker.

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:17

        Yeah.Can you find the scene in Thriller where he becomes, uh, a w- a were-cat, or whatever the fuck he is? 'Cause it's not really a werewolf, right? It's like something else.

    25. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:30

        Yeah. I think they, they officially came out and said it was, like, a, a cat-like creature.

    26. JRJoe Rogan43:33

        Yeah. I mean, it was such a good fucking video, man. Do you remember-

    27. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:38

        That's earlier in this... Yeah, it's ear- it's, it's-

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:41

        How old were you guys when this came out? This was before your time, right?

    29. BOBig Jay Oakerson43:44

        Oh, this would have come out in '88, maybe?

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:47

        Yeah, so you were a little kid.
13. 54:53 – 1:03:09

    Hollywood aging, ‘new heads,’ and the plastic surgery arms race (Kris Jenner, buccal fat, ab etching)

    1. LGLuis J. Gomez54:53

       Poor women. We just get better with age. Women fall apart. (laughs)

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:57

       Especially that business. That business. Only a certain number of jobs for old ladies and Faye Dunaway takes all of them. (laughs)

    3. LGLuis J. Gomez55:03

       Why, isn't it interesting?

    4. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:05

       I'm, I'm trying to think of, like, the most contemporary I could think of, like, change in seeing somebody go from, like, can do no wrong, gorgeous to, like, a lady. And that was Pam Anderson.

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:16

       Yeah.

    6. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:16

       That was at the set, so-

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:16

       No, she's doing a good job at it. Like Meryl Streep?

    8. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:19

       No, no, she's doing a... She's actually doing a great job. But there was a, like a out of the limelight for a while and then showing back up major difference in her looks.

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:27

       Right.

    10. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:28

        Like, you know what I mean?

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:29

        Well, she gave up on makeup.

    12. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:30

        Well, she... But she, you know, she left the public spotlight like Kid Rock's girlfriend and then came back like a grandmother. (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:36

        Age appropriate. (laughs)

    14. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:37

        Yeah, yeah. Very into that.

    15. LGLuis J. Gomez55:38

        But I think they should be age appropriate. You see, like, Dolly Parton now and she looks like, just like, she still looks like she's 35 years old.

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:44

        Oh, really?

    17. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:44

        Well-

    18. LGLuis J. Gomez55:44

        Yeah, it's crazy.

    19. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:45

        She's dressing like she's 35.

    20. LGLuis J. Gomez55:46

        No, of course. But it's like, she's, like, still stuck in this, like, sort of, like, big hair and makeup-

    21. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:51

        Yeah.

    22. LGLuis J. Gomez55:51

        ... and, like, big fat titties and, like...

    23. BOBig Jay Oakerson55:53

        She comes from fucking-... way, like, '60s and shit, like, uh, like, showmanship.

    24. LGLuis J. Gomez55:57

        You're 104 years old. (laughs) Just get old already.

    25. JRJoe Rogan55:59

        Oh, yeah. Well, I think if you... The thing is if you're a woman and you... A lot of, like, the value that you bring to a conversation is that you're unbelievably beautiful, like, people are excited to talk to you. And then whatever else you have to say is just a, a bonus on top of it. But if you're really hot, people just wanna talk to you. And then you get to a point in your life where that just stops. So, like, your life's focus has been about being attractive, looking great, you know, being really fit, looking hot. So you walk in the room, "Oh my God, look at her, she's a firecracker." And then that just goes away. And if your whole life is based on just that one thing and you don't pivot to something else, like, "Okay, let's just find a hobby. (laughs) Let's just find some other... Let's just n- try not to be hot at 80," you know?

    26. BOBig Jay Oakerson56:48

        Well, did you see The Substance? That's kinda the substance of, uh...

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:51

        Yeah.

    28. BOBig Jay Oakerson56:51

        That was great.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:52

        Great movie, man.

    30. BOBig Jay Oakerson56:53

        (coughing) But it's so funny, like, uh, you know, whatever the message of the movie was, what got me was, like, by the end of it, like, she wasn't bad-looking at all. You know, she looked really great for her age, but she still just didn't want that at all.
14. 1:03:09 – 1:19:01

    Hair regrowth breakthroughs + Luis’ childhood ‘braid-blade’ weapon fantasy

    1. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:03:09

       With nothing on top.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:03:09

       ... a new drug. What, where was that drug developed? Was it, was it Taiwan? Some, some country developed a drug that's regrowing hair. Like, they, they, they put it on bald mice and they demonstrated you could put it on like a square area-

    3. LGLuis J. Gomez1:03:25

       Let's do it, Joe.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

       ... of the mouse's body. I think, uh, I like being bald.

    5. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:03:29

       Oh, here we go.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:03:30

       And, uh-

    7. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:03:30

       The lies start.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:31

       ... even if it grew back, I'd keep it super short. I'd just keep it stubble.

    9. LGLuis J. Gomez1:03:35

       Let's see. 20 days it grows it back?

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:03:38

        20 days. Raising questions about what, uh, the finding means for the treatment of human baldness. But if I had a fucked up looking head, like if I had a flat head, I'd definitely want some hair back there.

    11. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:03:48

        (laughs) Can you go back to that article for a second?

    12. NANarrator1:03:50

        Yeah, I was just gonna say though-

    13. LGLuis J. Gomez1:03:51

        There's a certain look that doesn't work with, uh...

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:03:53

        See, isn't that crazy? Look, they grew like a square.

    15. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:03:56

        Uh.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:03:56

        What part do you wanna see?

    17. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:03:58

        Um, I just see it was something... Mm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:03

        So-

    19. BOBig Jay Oakerson1:04:04

        Oh, it was a doctor, that's what it was. Um, this guy may have figured out how to regrow hair in people's life. And still as Americans, we can't just, we're not gonna learn Dr. Song Yan, we have to call him Jerry.

Episode duration: 2:52:45