Joe Rogan Experience #2405 - Luis J Gomez & Big Jay Oakerson

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum roll)

Luis J. Gomez 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Yeah. Well, he's the nicest guy in the world. That's part of the problem.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:17 No, he's very sweet-

Joe Rogan 0:18 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:18 ... but it was like, like the, when they tell you the story of it, it was, he was like at a comedy club once and like somebody in the audience made fun of him. (laughs) And he's like, "I'm gonna go to a place where no one upsets anybody ever."

Joe Rogan 0:28 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:28 "I'm gonna make a place like that." And that was the Comedy Magic Club.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Still, they would let us roll in there. They did stop Joey from doing shows there though.

Big Jay Oakerson 0:35 Did they really?

Joe Rogan 0:35 'Cause there's too many-

Big Jay Oakerson 0:36 I've done spots there.

Joe Rogan 0:36 ... people that were like normal people that would come in when Joey was opening for me. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:42 And Joe, "You're eating her ass from behind. You're doing the pigeon-"

Big Jay Oakerson 0:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:45 "... when your nose goes in her asshole." (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:47 They seem-

Joe Rogan 0:48 People are like, "No way." (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 0:49 ... they let, uh, Tosh do whatever he wanted, I think.

Joe Rogan 0:51 Yeah, Tosh-

Big Jay Oakerson 0:52 Tosh did whatever, and they, and when I, when they asked me to do spots there f- like eventually when I went there, I was like, I, I kinda, I don't know. It's like, it's a weird spot for me to do if it's a clean club. And then, no, they're like, "You can do your thing." Like-

Joe Rogan 1:02 Clean clubs are odd. There used to be this place in, uh, Mount Vernon, New York called, uh, the Champagne Comedy Club. It was like an all black room, and the guy who ran it was like very Christian, very religious, and he was like, "No motherfuckers."

Big Jay Oakerson 1:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16 He goes, "I don't wanna hear no motherfuckers." He goes, "You don't say, 'That bitch had a big ass.' You say, 'That woman had a wide behind.'"

Big Jay Oakerson 1:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:22 Like, he had a whole-

Luis J. Gomez 1:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:23 ... speech he would give you before you would work there.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26 What you would say, you know.

Luis J. Gomez 1:28 I've, I've only tried to work clean a few times. I, uh, so I used to open for Nate Bargatze, who is, like, super clean.

Joe Rogan 1:33 One of the cleanest.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:33 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 1:33 I mean, one of the cleanest.

Joe Rogan 1:35 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 1:35 But he, uh, w- w- brilliant.

Joe Rogan 1:36 Hilarious.

Luis J. Gomez 1:36 You don't even know that he's clean until-

Joe Rogan 1:37 Exactly.

Luis J. Gomez 1:37 ... somebody points it out.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:38 Oh, yeah. That's why he's phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 1:39 Like, like Gaffigan. Like same-

Luis J. Gomez 1:40 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:40 ... thing as Gaffigan.

Luis J. Gomez 1:41 But he's-

Joe Rogan 1:41 Like, nobody cares-

Luis J. Gomez 1:42 ... even cleaner than Gaffigan.

Joe Rogan 1:42 ... that he's clean.

Luis J. Gomez 1:42 Gaffigan will curse once in a while. Nate, he's never said a curse word on microphone.

Joe Rogan 1:46 No.

Luis J. Gomez 1:46 Ever.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:47 Oh, that's not true.

Luis J. Gomez 1:47 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Uh, I don't think so.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:49 Nah, he was hammered one night-

Joe Rogan 1:50 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:51 ... at the New York Comedy Club. He called a lady a cunt immediately.

Joe Rogan 1:54 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:54 (laughs) No.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:54 We had to stop her boyfriend from attacking him. He doesn't, he- he-

Luis J. Gomez 1:57 Is on, was it on camera though?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:59 No.

Luis J. Gomez 2:00 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:00 Oh, I mean, maybe like the in-house of the comedy club.

Luis J. Gomez 2:03 Maybe.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:03 But man, it was great.

Luis J. Gomez 2:04 What a great viral video that would be.

Joe Rogan 2:06 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 2:06 Oh, I wish that existed somewhere. He was, we took him to a Korn concert. He got obliterated, and then that was a set where he, like Mr. Magoo'd through a mosh pit like I've never seen somebody before.

Luis J. Gomez 2:15 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 2:15 I mean, bodies flying all around him on a hill in mud, and Nate just walked through like... Do you remember this story at all? It was Family Values Tour that we went to.

Luis J. Gomez 2:24 Oh, yeah, I remember. Yeah, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 2:25 And he walks through, and no one, like every, no one hit him at all. And then he just looks at us and gives a thumbs up.

Luis J. Gomez 2:30 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 2:30 And then he, he sees this big muscly guy next to him and he just goes, "Eh," and shoves that guy. And then the guys shove Nate pretty much across the pit again, and he just came back over to us laughing and smiling. And then he demanded that we go do a spot at New York Comedy Club. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:44 That's hilarious.

Luis J. Gomez 2:45 He, uh, he was at Skankfest one year. We do, we, you know, Josh M. Meyer's Goddamn Comedy Jam.

Joe Rogan 2:49 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 2:49 So, and it's always very heavy metal at Skankfest. We all do like metal songs, you know, Tony's s- singing System of a Down. Jay always does Slipknot. And, uh, what, what song was it? Was it, uh, it was Slipknot, right? We were doing the, the Wall of Death.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:02 Oh, oh. No, no, no. It was Break Stuff, Limp Bizkit.

Luis J. Gomez 3:04 Limp Bizkit, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:05 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:05 So there's a breakdown where like-

Joe Rogan 3:06 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 3:06 ... the, the music kinda like is just playing, right? And Jay starts a Wall of Death. If you've never been to a, like a heavy metal concert, essentially the entire floor splits open.

Joe Rogan 3:16 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 3:16 And it's just two, like on both, uh, two walls of people just staring at each other, just ready. And then when the music drops, they all converge and just like kill each other.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:23 There's great video, there's videos of it.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Jeez.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:25 Uh, Rob Dukes from Exodus has like one of the biggest ones ever. We started one.

Luis J. Gomez 3:28 Yeah, Wall of Death. It's a great thing at a metal concert. So we did, we did this-

Big Jay Oakerson 3:31 It looks awesome.

Luis J. Gomez 3:31 ... at Skankfest.

Joe Rogan 3:31 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 3:31 And Nate, Nate's never been to a metal concert.

Joe Rogan 3:34 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 3:34 So he's just hammered. This is when he was drinking. He's just like bopping around like in the middle of it. He doesn't realize-

Big Jay Oakerson 3:38 Everyone splits. He's staying in the middle, and I'm, uh, you know, it's, I'm doing the song so I'm going at one point-

Luis J. Gomez 3:44 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:44 ... off microphone though, I'm just trying to go, I'm like, I'm like, "Nate." I'm like-

Luis J. Gomez 3:46 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:47 ... I'm like, "Dude, you gotta like, you know what..." And he just keeps raising his beer. He's like...

Luis J. Gomez 3:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:51 And I was like-

Joe Rogan 3:52 That's hilarious.

Big Jay Oakerson 3:53 No but, and like we couldn't in-

Luis J. Gomez 3:54 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:54 ... we couldn't interlude anymore.

Joe Rogan 3:56 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 3:56 The bass player's fingers were gonna start bleeding if he kept interluding, so we had to get to the end of this song. And then, uh, and then so, uh, I'm on microphone at that point going, I'm like, "Nate, move. Nate, you gotta move."

Luis J. Gomez 4:05 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:05 And he's just like, "I'm good, but-"

Luis J. Gomez 4:07 He's like, "I am moving, man."

Joe Rogan 4:08 (sighs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:08 And we hit that, uh, uh, break.

Luis J. Gomez 4:11 Break your fucking face to nothing.

Big Jay Oakerson 4:12 Fucking face, break your fucking face. This audience-

Joe Rogan 4:14 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:14 ... converges. And I remember just seeing Nate, like I mean, like they smash in and Nate went like this, "Boop." Like you just saw him like pop up and go-

Joe Rogan 4:20 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:20 ... back down in the pile. He was in there somewhere, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:23 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:24 Feeling no pain.

Luis J. Gomez 4:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:26 Who started the mosh pit?

Big Jay Oakerson 4:28 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 4:28 That seems like one of the craziest elements in all of music is that there's-

Big Jay Oakerson 4:32 I'm gonna go with the black people.

Joe Rogan 4:33 ... agreed upon... (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 4:36 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:36 Shh. We stole it. We stole it from-

Joe Rogan 4:37 We stole those things from them. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 4:38 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 4:38 We stole, we stole it from them.

Joe Rogan 4:40 I mean-

Big Jay Oakerson 4:40 Jazz, rock, the mosh pit.

Joe Rogan 4:42 Right. Oh, rock and roll for sure.

Luis J. Gomez 4:43 It had to be punk rock, right? Probably '70s, like, uh, Sex Pistols.

Joe Rogan 4:47 I guess. I wish I knew. I, uh, I remember I was dating a girl when I was 20, 21, and she was really into like these crazy bands. And she went to this band and she was in a mosh pit and got k- a fucking concussion from a headbutt. And then-

Luis J. Gomez 5:01 What-

Joe Rogan 5:01 ... came over to my apartment afterwards. I'm like, "Why are you doing that?" Uh.

Luis J. Gomez 5:04 Sex Pistols, hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Sex Pistols.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:06 What is funny, the difference in like what, like people that are like hardcore metal people would think of a band like Korn or Disturbed or bands like that. Where it's like those are the mosh pits more that I've been around in my life where there's almost like a, the guy on stage is even making it soft. He's like-

Joe Rogan 5:22 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:22 ... "If a brother falls down..." And it's always like some kind of Valhalla speech.

Luis J. Gomez 5:26 Oh, boy.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:26 "If a brother falls, you pick your brother up. You don't stomp him uh." And it's all about like, you know, pulling each other off the ground and banging into each other and, and walking in circles.

Luis J. Gomez 5:34 You kind of just bump into each other.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Oh, okay.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:35 I, I went to a small show at the, uh, the old Knitting Factory in Manhattan for a band. I forget what they were called, but it was like, they stopped the show because the mosh pit... I was like watching from above, but the mosh pit was like-... punch, kick-

Joe Rogan 5:47 Oh, jeez.

Big Jay Oakerson 5:48 Like, kind- and people were getting fucked up.

Joe Rogan 5:49 That's like hardcore shows.

Luis J. Gomez 5:50 Yeah, but that's-

Joe Rogan 5:50 Hardcore shows are, are, it's like fist fighting. Yeah. If you're a crazy person and you know how to fight-

Big Jay Oakerson 5:55 The Blend.

Joe Rogan 5:55 ... and you just decide to, uh, go into a mosh pit, 'cause you could just start tuning up on people.

Luis J. Gomez 5:59 I don't think you're... So here's what happens. If there's videos that go viral all the time, like if, there are guys that do that, they just try to hit people. Those guys will typically get jumped by everybody in the mosh pit, 'cause you're supposed to be punching and kicking, but you're not supposed to be actually targeting somebody with it. If an accident happens, it happens, but it's like the-

Joe Rogan 6:16 So ridiculous.

Luis J. Gomez 6:17 Yeah, yeah. But you'll see people get jumped.

Joe Rogan 6:18 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 6:18 There'll be, there'll be guys that are being dickheads in the mosh pit and then-

Big Jay Oakerson 6:21 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 6:21 ... everyone will beat the shit out of them because they're not being violent the right way. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:26 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:26 I gotta tell you, it was maybe the funniest thing.

Luis J. Gomez 6:28 What a weird agreement goes. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:29 It was the funniest concert experience I've ever had, was with Louis at Pantera. We went to go see them. It was like, it was two times ago that we saw them.

Luis J. Gomez 6:37 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:37 At Madison Square Garden.

Luis J. Gomez 6:39 Pantera's love.

Big Jay Oakerson 6:40 You were just... Y- Louis was just having... Again, some of... I'll, I'll always call Louis to go to a few... He doesn't go to a lot of concerts with me, but like the nostalgic ones that'll hit him, he'll go to, uh, sometimes. So Pantera, he'll always wanna bring his sister, and we go. And he goes... He's in a good mood. He's feeling good and we're in our 40s, so he's not looking to really get in the mosh pits or anything.

Luis J. Gomez 6:58 Well, the other thing about now, like, and it's a generational thing. Like Pantera, when I first saw Pantera live, Ozzfest '97-

Big Jay Oakerson 7:05 Scary.

Luis J. Gomez 7:05 Giants Stadium, the entire floor became a mosh pit.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:08 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 7:08 And I was a kid. It was the scariest thing I'd ever seen. People started jumping over the rafters. There's videos of this. Um, like jumping off... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:16 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 7:18 I was like, okay, okay.

Luis J. Gomez 7:19 He's got a weapon. Jesus Christ, he's in a flashback right now.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:22 Yeah, this is how your father got put down.

Luis J. Gomez 7:23 Let's, uh, see if we can find a video of that.

Joe Rogan 7:25 People started jumping over the, um, the barriers, like from above at Giants Stadium and just spilling into the floor. The entire floor turns into a mosh pit. It's... I'm 13 years old, 14 years old.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:36 Imagine you're working security at that place and, you know, you're just a kind of retired guy who takes a security job. Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 7:43 That's it.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:44 It's the worst.

Joe Rogan 7:44 You're, you have to go to the mosh pit. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 7:47 Pull people apart.

Joe Rogan 7:48 You're 62.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:49 You know.

Luis J. Gomez 7:50 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 7:50 Hey, somebody get Old Blend from the front. We need more people in the pit.

Joe Rogan 7:52 (laughs) He used to work-

Luis J. Gomez 7:53 Is this it?

Joe Rogan 7:53 ... for like some Long Island police station.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:56 This is it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:57 Now he's security.

Luis J. Gomez 7:57 This is literally it, dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 7:59 Ozzfest '99.

Joe Rogan 8:01 There's me, there's my sister. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 8:04 Ozzfest '99. Less rapey than Woodstock that year.

Luis J. Gomez 8:07 No, this is '97. I... This is '97.

Joe Rogan 8:11 So it's weird too, 'cause they're just playing for the field. Like everyone's just walking around. There's no seats.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:20 Oh yeah, on the floor, there's standing shows.

Joe Rogan 8:21 Yeah, they're not... Like they're... That doesn't look like there's any seats there anywhere. Looks like everybody's just kind of jammed in there.

Luis J. Gomez 8:27 No, the whole floor is standing room and then there's seating in the stands.

Joe Rogan 8:32 So you're a pussy if you're in the stands.

Luis J. Gomez 8:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:34 That's why these people in the stands are hopping the fence right now.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:37 Bro, there is zero security in this joint. (laughs) This is it. Look how far these guys are jumping, too.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:42 Again, this is like probably like the second or third Ozzfest maybe.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Yeah, it's early.

Big Jay Oakerson 8:46 So it's like it was, uh, like no one knew what to expect from this thing.

Luis J. Gomez 8:49 It was g- it was Fear Factory, Marilyn Manson. Uh, it was a, it w- they tried to ban Marilyn Manson from this. Uh, this was like a big controversy on MTV.

Joe Rogan 8:58 That's great. Why?

Luis J. Gomez 8:58 Because he was the devil.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:00 Getting, getting lost in those things. Yeah, I remember, uh-

Luis J. Gomez 9:02 That's it?

Big Jay Oakerson 9:02 ... my ex-wife.

Luis J. Gomez 9:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:04 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 9:04 She's the devil.

Narrator 9:05 They had a big fire right in... when they were in Columbus. I think it was that year, so it might have been part of that.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:10 My ex wi- my ex-wife on one of our earliest like dates, I took her to Ozzfest, lawn seats. I was pretty proud that I got them for free. And, uh, we were in the middle of a song for Slipknot doing Spit It Out and got stuck in like a thing where they make everybody get on the ground and you're locked in. And then, again, the whole lawn turns into a crazy mosh pit.

Luis J. Gomez 9:27 And if you're not like a metal head, she's like just a normal chick. She's like a comedy club waitress. She's not into Slipknot and devil music. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 9:35 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 9:35 So he brings her on a second date to this place which is just-

Big Jay Oakerson 9:37 Yeah. She was a Latina.

Luis J. Gomez 9:39 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 9:39 And not super into Slipknot. She got into it though. It was a pretty exhilarating moment for her. But, um, when we went to see Pantera at the Garden, we were right near the mosh pit. And, um, these two guys, like these two Mexican guys and two white guys, like middle-aged white guys started getting into it. And really like fighting. Like they were throwing punches. The white guys had a kid with them. And then Louis went and like pulled, like pulled people apart. He like jumped in pretty early in it to pull them apart and be like, "Everybody chill."

Luis J. Gomez 10:08 I need to, I need to make sure justice is being served at all times.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:12 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 10:12 When I see some, whatever it is, if there's not justice happening, I gotta jump in.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:15 Yeah. As a self-hating Hispanic, you were really rooting for those white guys.

Luis J. Gomez 10:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:21 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 10:21 But he pulled them apart and then, I don't know, he, we could see... Like even though these guys got separated, you can see the Latino guys are fucking... They're plotting. They're not done yet. And, uh, and Lou- and we're just kinda semi-observing it, but it really, it piqued Louis' interest for some reason. And he did a, I mean, a mother of the neighborhood, like walks... Did you walk the white guys over or the Hispanic guys over?

Luis J. Gomez 10:46 I don't remember who I did but I walked them together.

Big Jay Oakerson 10:47 You walk one to the other, like, like arm, like arm, like wrist-

Luis J. Gomez 10:49 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 10:50 Hand in wrist like this. Goes, "Come on, guys. This is enough. We're gonna..." And I'm watching from a distance. These guys beating each other's face again. Louis is be- you know. Pantera is playing and I just see Louis be like, "Come on." You know, he's doing...

Luis J. Gomez 11:00 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 11:00 And like making them hold hands and like touching them hands.

Luis J. Gomez 11:02 I made them shake hands. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 11:03 He made them shake hands in front... And then, yeah, I watched them reluctantly do it. But it never changed... Louis came back with a real sense of like, I did something good there. But those guys never stopped glaring at each other the whole time. And then-

Luis J. Gomez 11:14 They probably killed each other in the parking lot afterwards. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 11:16 And then the guy comes over to Louis, but towards the end of the thing. Or maybe it was to me he just did it. But like he came over, and I was like, "Uh, you guys all good?" And he goes, "What the fuck was that, man?"

Luis J. Gomez 11:27 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 11:27 He's like, "Those guys fucking started shit with us and then your friend made us shake hands with them?" (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 11:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:32 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 11:32 They had no- there was no beef squashed whatsoever. Louis, he really...

Luis J. Gomez 11:36 Uh.

Big Jay Oakerson 11:36 But just the fact he went over there and ma- he made them shake hands. They did it.

Joe Rogan 11:39 But at least even if you just make someone shake hands, it deescalates a little bit.It definitely deescalates more than there's no out.

Luis J. Gomez 11:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:47 'Cause the problem with guys is when they don't feel like they have an out with dignity, they just keep talking shit-

Luis J. Gomez 11:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:52 ... and then they get themselves into a problem.

Luis J. Gomez 11:53 There's an ego thing that happens-

Joe Rogan 11:55 Yes.

Luis J. Gomez 11:55 ... where you're like-

Joe Rogan 11:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 11:55 ... "Well, there ha- there has to be an end to this story."

Joe Rogan 11:57 Exactly.

Luis J. Gomez 11:58 And in my mind, when I'm angry, it has to be me beating your fucking ass.

Joe Rogan 12:01 Right. Or-

Luis J. Gomez 12:01 If the end is, the cops come-

Joe Rogan 12:03 ... a guy comes in and makes you shake hands-

Luis J. Gomez 12:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:04 ... and that's the end.

Luis J. Gomez 12:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:05 And you avoid the violence.

Luis J. Gomez 12:07 It's a logical-

Joe Rogan 12:08 And then there's-

Luis J. Gomez 12:08 ... a logical end.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:09 The problem we're having now, especially if we go to, like, these metal shows, is, uh, Louis, uh, had a, a, a gripe with a guy at a concert, two concerts ago, we went to. A real thing, it's like-

Luis J. Gomez 12:20 '90s nails.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:21 Yeah, '90s nails. He's like, "This fucking guy over here." And then Louis was having a hard time letting it go, and then when it got, push came to shove, near each other, it's like, security was coming over. He goes, "Hey, that guy's, like, a fan of yours."

Luis J. Gomez 12:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:34 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 12:34 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 12:34 I can't freak out anymore.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:36 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 12:36 I do the, I do Rogan and Kiltonny-

Big Jay Oakerson 12:38 I mean, Louis was-

Luis J. Gomez 12:38 ... now people know who I am, so I can't have public outbursts.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:40 Louis-

Joe Rogan 12:41 Sick.

Big Jay Oakerson 12:41 ... Louis, since we were, since I was, I was kind of almost, like, making us move, so Louis would stop obsessing over, like, dealing with the guy, 'cause that guy... Like, me and Louis share a lot of similar traits in that way. I do the same thing. So I'm like, "We're gonna move somewhere else." And as we're moving, Louis (laughs) goes up to the guy, in his ear, and starts whispering in the guy's ear. And I'm watching the guy nod his head yes. He's like, "Yeah. Yeah, yeah." And then they finally kind of get Louis away, and I go, "What did you say in his ear?" He goes, "A bunch of terrible, awful things that I was gonna do to him." (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 13:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:09 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:09 I go, "He was just nodding yes." And then the security came over, like, 15 minutes later and was like-

Joe Rogan 13:14 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:14 ... "Hey, that guy just went..." You know, he said, "He's a fan."

Luis J. Gomez 13:16 Ugh.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:17 "He's a fan of yours." And like- Yeah. And the security knew us too. He was like-

Luis J. Gomez 13:20 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:20 ... "Also, I love your guys' stuff too, but that guy, I think, is also a fan."

Joe Rogan 13:23 I lost a fan that day.

Luis J. Gomez 13:24 He's a freaking fanboy.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:25 Like, that guy literally will never like my shit ever again.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:28 Yeah, he fucked up.

Luis J. Gomez 13:29 Yeah, it's all right.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:30 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 13:32 It's also one point- Also, '90s nails is such not a tough-

Big Jay Oakerson 13:34 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 13:34 ... like, it's not tough music. It's like goth chick music.

Joe Rogan 13:36 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 13:37 Like, you know, dudes would be.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:37 All of us had mascara ringed on our face having these fights.

Luis J. Gomez 13:41 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:41 "I'm gonna punch you because my dad didn't care."

Luis J. Gomez 13:43 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 13:45 What's the... Did you go, did you go to a lot of concerts growing up?

Joe Rogan 13:47 Yeah. I, yeah, I did, but, you know-

Big Jay Oakerson 13:48 What kind of bands were you into, though? Were they crazy shows?

Joe Rogan 13:50 ... I'm so much older than you guys, so w- when I was in high school was the '80s. So, like, the first band I ever went to see live was the J. Geils Band.

Big Jay Oakerson 13:57 Nice.

Joe Rogan 13:58 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 13:59 Peter Wolfe?

Joe Rogan 13:59 Like <singing .

Luis J. Gomez 14:00 Of course.

Joe Rogan 14:01 Remember that?

Luis J. Gomez 14:01 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 14:01 Angus as the centerfold. He was huge back then. And, um, and then I saw George Thorogood. I saw George Thorogood-

Luis J. Gomez 14:09 Nice.

Joe Rogan 14:09 ... with some other dude. Oh, Johnny Winter, that's who it was.

Luis J. Gomez 14:12 Damn.

Joe Rogan 14:12 The albino dude.

Luis J. Gomez 14:13 Had his ugly motherfuckers and went to go see.

Joe Rogan 14:14 Oh, my God, it was amazing. Uh, that was amazing.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:16 George Thorogood looks like fucking Rusty from European Vacation.

Joe Rogan 14:20 Does he look like that now? Is that what you're saying?

Big Jay Oakerson 14:22 Now he looks terrible.

Joe Rogan 14:23 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:23 No, back then he always-

Luis J. Gomez 14:24 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:24 ... he always... That really is, it's music for, like, ginger guys to fix a car and do this to-

Joe Rogan 14:29 It's a, it's a-

Big Jay Oakerson 14:29 ... George Thorogood.

Joe Rogan 14:29 It's a-

Luis J. Gomez 14:29 Look, man.

Joe Rogan 14:30 ... 1981 song. That's what it is. It's, like, a great song from '81.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:34 It was great.

Joe Rogan 14:35 That's what he was.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:35 The speech-

Joe Rogan 14:36 There he was. <singing Bad to the bone <singing .

Big Jay Oakerson 14:39 The speech in the, in the beginning of one bourbon, one shot, one beer-

Joe Rogan 14:42 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:42 ... one of my favorite things. <singing Look, man.

Joe Rogan 14:44 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 14:45 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 14:45 <singing Come down now.

Joe Rogan 14:47 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:48 So I, yeah, I did, I did see a bunch of concerts when I was in high school. Uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 14:52 Boston, Boston, I mean-

Joe Rogan 14:53 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:53 ... it's a big city for shows.

Joe Rogan 14:55 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 14:56 But did you go as a kid? I, I, I feel, but I never went-

Joe Rogan 14:59 Well, I worked at a-

Big Jay Oakerson 15:00 ... as a kid.

Joe Rogan 15:00 ... concert venue too for a while. I worked at Great Woods.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:03 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:04 So I was a security guard, and, uh, Great Woods was this performing s-... Uh, I think it's still around.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 15:10 Ampitheater.

Joe Rogan 15:11 Yeah, it's like an amphitheater. And the problem with that place is, if anybody was, um, talking on stage, you could only hear it underneath the thing. You couldn't hear it in the lawn. So, like, lyrics would bleed out into the lawn, like, or, you know, someone doing comedy would bleed out into the lawn. It was a nightmare when comics performed there-

Big Jay Oakerson 15:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:31 ... 'cause you got tickets on the lawn, you couldn't understand what the fuck they were saying. It was just all this weird echo shit.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:37 I did comedy in front of Slipknot (laughs) and Korn there (laughs) in that place, in, in that venue particularly.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Did you really?

Big Jay Oakerson 15:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:44 I saw Dangerfield there when I was working there. I saw-

Big Jay Oakerson 15:47 Wow.

Joe Rogan 15:47 ... Bill Cosby there when I was working there. The Cosby, I wasn't paying attention though. I w- I had no intentions-

Big Jay Oakerson 15:52 Oh, you gotta-

Joe Rogan 15:52 ... of being a comedian-

Big Jay Oakerson 15:52 ... you gotta pay attention-

Joe Rogan 15:53 ... at the time.

Big Jay Oakerson 15:54 ... to that guy.

Joe Rogan 15:54 Well, I was 19 years old and I just had no patience. I had no intentions of ever, ever being a comedian back then.

Luis J. Gomez 15:59 Well, he would do, like, three hours, right? Like, he would do, like, really, really long shows, but it was the same, it was always the same act, right?

Joe Rogan 16:05 Mm-hmm.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:06 Yeah, uh, were they that long?

Luis J. Gomez 16:07 Uh, two and a half? I heard it was a, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:09 He was there, I believe... I'm trying to remember who else. Uh, definitely I s- I paid to see Kinison there. That was wild. And then-

Big Jay Oakerson 16:18 Do you think people like Kinison would've, uh, grown with the times?

Joe Rogan 16:24 No.

Luis J. Gomez 16:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:26 I think Kinison, well, he would've had to sober up. And if he sobered up, I don't know if he'd be the same thing. He's like-

Luis J. Gomez 16:32 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 16:32 ... the best example of a guy who was maybe the greatest and most influential comedian of all time for, like, a year.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:43 Like, when he came... There was a, a moment when he was talking about, like, Jesus on the cross. You know, I think his lapse words were-

Big Jay Oakerson 16:50 I'd be okay.

Joe Rogan 16:50 ... <sorority 1"Oh, not my left hand! Not my left"-

Luis J. Gomez 16:52 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 16:53 <laughing You can help me if I, if you get, if you get a back of a hammer." You could help-

Joe Rogan 16:55 It was, like, a completely different kind of comedy.

Big Jay Oakerson 16:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:57 The thing about homosexual necrophiliacs paying money to be with the freshest male customers.

Luis J. Gomez 17:02 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 17:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:03 The go... You know, going to the mortuaries and paying money. That bit is fucking crazy. It's so funny.

Luis J. Gomez 17:08 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:08 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 17:08 The bit about the starving kids in Africa, like, holy shit, man.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:12 But it, it only lasted for a short window, and then the stuff after that, he was partying so much. The material was not anywhere near as good. It was all... Like, the points weren't interesting.

Big Jay Oakerson 17:26 But do you think he had-

Joe Rogan 17:26 It was just-

Big Jay Oakerson 17:26 ... it in him to evolve?

Joe Rogan 17:28 He would've had to fucking clean his act up, I think. I think what you're seeing is a guy, first of all, who develops his act over, like, 10 years before he gets... before he makes it. And when he makes it, he's fucking good. I mean, he's, like, one of the best ever. And then he has to come up with a whole new act in a year, but he's just doing coke and he's partying and he's hanging out with Bon Jovi, and it's like-

Luis J. Gomez 17:50 Well, that's, that's, like, what it, it's, like, with everybody. It's like everyone does their first, like, album or special-

Joe Rogan 17:55 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 17:55 ... and it's like a collection of everything for a decade-

Big Jay Oakerson 17:57 Oh, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 17:57 ... or 15 years, and then it's like you're supposed to reproduce that every year or two after that.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 18:02 Like, Bill Burr and Louis C.K. sort of created this standard of putting out a brand new hour every year or two, which is, like, almost-

Big Jay Oakerson 18:10 Ginger assholes.

Luis J. Gomez 18:11 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 18:11 You heard it here first. Where's my camera?

Joe Rogan 18:12 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 18:12 You ginger asshole. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 18:13 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 18:14 It was almost unsustainable to, like, do it that way.

Joe Rogan 18:16 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 18:16 Who's the George Thorogood, you fucking rusty-

Joe Rogan 18:18 Well-

Big Jay Oakerson 18:18 ... looking piece of shit?

Joe Rogan 18:19 The thing is, it's like why-... why do we care if that's what they wanna do? Like, why don't we just do what we do? Why, h- why are we even comparing? That's the thing.

Luis J. Gomez 18:28 Because when I show back at, uh, when I show back into another market a year later and I'm doing the same material, I feel like a fucking asshole.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:34 I do.

Joe Rogan 18:35 Yeah. Well, you probably should, but you also probably should just go at your own pace. You know, some people wanna think of a special as a special. Like, "This is the best shit that I've come up with over the last five years," or whatever.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:47 And some people wanna think, like, no, just, like, keep releasing new comedy. But we all know that your comedy, your jokes get better when you keep tuning 'em up.

Big Jay Oakerson 18:55 Of course. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:56 Right? And it, I think it's a certain amount of a cooking process that they all need.

Luis J. Gomez 19:01 Well, it'll, m- th- it'll just continue to get better. I just filmed a special and now I've been work-... 'cause it's not out yet, so I've still been working the material.

Joe Rogan 19:07 And now you got new tags. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 19:08 Ugh, it's pissing me off.

Joe Rogan 19:10 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 19:10 It's gonna come for you.

Joe Rogan 19:11 The worst.

Luis J. Gomez 19:11 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 19:12 It's the worst.

Luis J. Gomez 19:12 They're the best tags.

Joe Rogan 19:13 They're the best tags and they're useless.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:15 That's also, it's also comfort, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:15 Always, always.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:16 That's 'cause you're, that's 'cause you're more comfortable now.

Luis J. Gomez 19:17 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:18 I set your best recording... Who said it recently? Your best recording of your hour is never gonna be the hour you recorded. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:23 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:24 Like, it's not gonna be that one.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Right. Yeah, you can't.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:25 And I remember when I did my, when I did my last, like, material special, uh, Dog Belly, it, it was like, "Man, really wish we could've gotten that w- seven o'clock show on Friday in Buffalo."

Joe Rogan 19:35 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 19:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:36 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 19:36 Buffalo helium just ate it up. That's the f- show where you were done and I was like, "This is it. This is the rhythm of it and this is the one."

Joe Rogan 19:42 Yeah, it's like when there's something on the line and it's like ready, record, it's just a different thing. It's just like-

Big Jay Oakerson 19:47 Well, it's live. You're doing like a live one. And the live one is crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Yeah. But I did that because I was scared of it.

Luis J. Gomez 19:52 How ner- how nerve-wracking was that?

Joe Rogan 19:53 Oh, it was so weird. It was so much different.

Luis J. Gomez 19:55 Was yours before or after Chris Rock's?

Joe Rogan 19:57 After.

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Joe Rogan 21:27 So I take-

Luis J. Gomez 21:27 Were you freaking out 'cause he flubbed his joke?

Big Jay Oakerson 21:28 Another thing stolen from the Black man.

Luis J. Gomez 21:30 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 21:31 Write it down, Louis.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Uh, it wasn't my idea. I just wanna say it was Netflix' idea.

Luis J. Gomez 21:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:35 Um, but-

Luis J. Gomez 21:35 'Cause he, he flubbed the line in his, like, la-

Joe Rogan 21:37 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 21:37 ... his last bit, which was, like, the line.

Joe Rogan 21:39 I know. Whoopsies.

Luis J. Gomez 21:40 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:41 Yeah. I definitely treated it different than any other set.

Big Jay Oakerson 21:43 He's like, "When I freshed the slap prints, shit."

Joe Rogan 21:46 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 21:47 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 21:47 "Fuck me running."

Luis J. Gomez 21:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:50 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 21:50 Uh, uh, cut it. Oh, no.

Luis J. Gomez 21:54 Positions. First positions, everyone.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Yeah. It's a weird thing, man, to just, just go ready, live, go to, like, millions of people. It's a weird thing. But I, I was in, in my head I was like, "But why? Why is it any different than a show?" Well, it's all you're mind fucking yourself. So what it, what would prevent you from mind fucking yourself? Just go over your material with such a fine-tooth comb that when you get up on stage you'll, you can be just loose and completely relaxed. You're not even thinking about where to go and how to do it. You're just thinking about, like, locking in and you're gonna be live for an hour. And I was like, "God, it's fucking terrifying." Like let's see what-

Luis J. Gomez 22:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:29 ... let's see what that feels like.

Luis J. Gomez 22:30 Did you fuck up anything that we don't know about?

Joe Rogan 22:32 No. Nope. Felt exactly like a regular set.

Luis J. Gomez 22:35 Perfect.

Joe Rogan 22:35 Uh, I did one set there Friday night that we filmed as well that didn't go live, and then the Saturday night one was completely live. And it was, uh, you know, I'd already done the room so I was relaxed. I got a feel for the room, you know, because it was Friday night. It was a lot of fun. The show was great. And I was like, "Okay, we're ready." And then Saturday just all day going over material, watching recordings. I just s- saturated my brain so that I could just be completely relaxed when I went out there. So it was, like, 100% prepared. As opposed to, like, a regular Tuesday night where you could just kinda go on stage. Like, you know-

Big Jay Oakerson 23:08 Sure.

Joe Rogan 23:08 ... you know your acts. You know you go on stage, you start opening up and getting into your bits, but-

Big Jay Oakerson 23:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:12 ... you're not, like, meticulously dialed in.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:15 No, I told Netflix I would, that I would do it with crowd work, live.

Joe Rogan 23:20 Oh, you totally should.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:20 And they, I mean, they were, they were, they were very quick no.

Joe Rogan 23:22 They didn't even respond to his email. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 23:24 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 23:24 (laughs) No, they, they were-

Luis J. Gomez 23:25 I said the same thing.

Joe Rogan 23:26 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 23:26 They responded. They just-

Joe Rogan 23:28 They're like, "We don't wanna get sued." (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 23:31 (laughs) I told Netflix I would do a feature film for them. They just didn't get back to me, so.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Ah, bro. They'd have just seen you one weekend. They'd be like, "Are you fucking crazy?"

Big Jay Oakerson 23:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:39 No. No, no, no.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:40 I'd love that for myself, but I, again, almost like what you're saying though, to me it's like I- I'm not, I'm not saying that I wouldn't be nervous. I would be very nervous doing that and that would be kind of the fun of it. Like being-

Joe Rogan 23:48 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:48 ... amped up to do it.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Yeah, it'd definitely make it a little more fun.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:50 You'd see it... Because I think it also, like, especially with it being crowd work, I was like, you'd see it kinda unfold. You know what I mean? Like you'd kinda-

Joe Rogan 23:56 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 23:56 ... see, like, the, the pacing and the build of it 'cause I have to do it for an hour. It'd be interesting.

Joe Rogan 24:00 Yeah. And you gotta, you... That's one of the things, like, you have to be doing a lot of sets leading up to that too to be relaxed.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:07 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 24:08 Yeah. They filmed, uh, they secretly filmed... 'Cause I was filming on Saturday and they filmed my Friday shows without telling me.

Joe Rogan 24:16 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 24:16 And I fucking killed and that was, like, the biggest, like, relief 'cause, uh, Bobby Kelly directed it and, uh, he was like, "Dude, we got it." He was like, "We got the show." I was like, "Well" I, I thought they were just testing the cameras.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:26 He just wanted to go home.

Joe Rogan 24:26 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 24:27 I was like, "Dude-"

Big Jay Oakerson 24:27 I think that's the one.

Joe Rogan 24:28 "... I'm hungry. Dude."

Big Jay Oakerson 24:28 Dude, you don't need me anymore.

Luis J. Gomez 24:29 (laughs) "Dude, we got it. Dude. Dude, it's perfect." He's like, "We're watching."

Joe Rogan 24:32 "All set. Dude, you nailed it."

Big Jay Oakerson 24:34 "It looks like we're all set."

Luis J. Gomez 24:34 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:35 But that was, uh, that, like-

Joe Rogan 24:36 Yeah, once you know you got it in the can-

Luis J. Gomez 24:38 Beautiful.

Joe Rogan 24:38 ... then it's lifted off of your back.What a weird fucking art form, you know? Very strange. Don't... Those are Dice's cigarettes.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:45 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:47 (laughs) They're unlit.

Big Jay Oakerson 24:48 Unlit, broken.

Joe Rogan 24:49 He just has these cigarettes and he just breaks them and puts them in there.

Luis J. Gomez 24:52 Jay just quit smoking cigarettes but he needs to-

Joe Rogan 24:54 He's back.

Luis J. Gomez 24:54 ... smoke cigarettes on the podcast. I, I asked... I was like, I was like- He's like, "I'm gonna smoke now." I was like, I was like, "Why?" He's like, "It's like three hours, dude." And I was like, "The hours are gonna exist whether we're on a podcast or not." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:04 But other than that, you would quit smoking?

Big Jay Oakerson 25:06 Yeah, I like to stay loose though, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:09 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 25:09 When I came in, when we did the show last time, uh, two times ago, at the end of the show, I was like, "I gotta go smoke." And Jamie went, "You can smoke in here." I went, "Oh, really?" He goes, "Yes." And then last time we came in, I did smoke. And when I was done, call it like wearing lucky underwear or something, I was like, "We had a good flip back and forth." We were all... Jay, we made the Rogan Sphere.

Joe Rogan 25:27 (laughs) Oh, we did.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:28 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:29 We officially got the Rogan Sphere. We've been repping hard out there, dude.

Luis J. Gomez 25:31 Out there in the streets. You should see us.

Joe Rogan 25:33 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 25:33 We tell everyone.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:35 I get my credits, they go from the Bonfire, Legion of Skanks and most notably-

Luis J. Gomez 25:38 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:38 ... the Rogan Sphere. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:40 The manosphere is a real subject. Like they... People believe that it's real, that there's this like coalition of men like trying to convert young boys into the evil ways of being a man, the manosphere.

Luis J. Gomez 25:53 I think that's the same thing as the Rogan Sphere. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 25:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:55 No, the manos- the manospher- it's like there's h- levels to it.

Big Jay Oakerson 25:58 I think you're saying it wrong.

Joe Rogan 25:58 Like Andrew Tate's the highest level of the manosphere, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 26:01 Oh, right, right.

Luis J. Gomez 26:01 Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan 26:01 Right? That's-

Luis J. Gomez 26:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:02 That's top G of the manosphere.

Luis J. Gomez 26:04 Of course.

Joe Rogan 26:05 If you're like categorizing those things, the thing that you're most terrified of is a guy like Andrew Tate.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:10 I was never like stoked on that kind of like Maxim-

Luis J. Gomez 26:11 Yeah, if, if I'm a young like, uh, Ukrainian girl. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 26:14 Yeah. (laughs) I've never been to that kind of like, uh, the Maxim Magazine, Spike TV, like energy of what they're like, "This is what guys wanna see."

Joe Rogan 26:25 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:25 "A car crash and a girl with big tits in a bikini."

Joe Rogan 26:26 I had a Maxim Magazine subscription.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:28 You had a... Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:29 FHM. I loved it.

Luis J. Gomez 26:29 The thing about it is, yeah, you're right, but also, it works.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:34 No, no.

Luis J. Gomez 26:34 You know, why try to reinvent the wheel? (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 26:36 No, it definitely works. I pulled myself out of that thing because I was like, this isn't my... Like, getting a Maxim Magazine, like hometown chicks in their bikinis. I'm like, "These girls would never talk to me." I just have like, um, like too much self-loathing to be into it.

Joe Rogan 26:48 Dude, if you could make money-

Big Jay Oakerson 26:48 It's like, "Here's fancy clothes." Well, I don't fit in those clothes. Like everything was just gonna bum around those magazines. So I would just get straight pornography.

Luis J. Gomez 26:56 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:57 And even then I would-

Luis J. Gomez 26:57 Because you can, you can get those girls.

Big Jay Oakerson 26:58 No. Well, sometimes I would, uh, I'd always buy, uh, the three-packs and one of them would have to be like jugs or voluptuous magazines.

Luis J. Gomez 27:06 Oh, then in the middle, there's always one with a bunch of gross chicks?

Big Jay Oakerson 27:08 Or just straight trans.

Luis J. Gomez 27:10 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 27:10 But, uh, I always believed... When I was young-

Luis J. Gomez 27:13 Bro. (coughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 27:14 When I was young going through my dad's, I found my dad's porn collection. And there was a couple of weirdies in there, like a couple of trans or like, uh, local personal ads. And then as I got older and started buying the three-packs, I was like, "Let's just believe that was the third one, he didn't know what it was." But then, why'd you keep it?

Luis J. Gomez 27:31 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 27:32 Toss it.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Did y- did you see that Don Lemon got in trouble because he, he said that Megyn Kelly looks trans?

Big Jay Oakerson 27:40 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 27:40 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 27:41 It's just a strong jawl- strong jawline.

Joe Rogan 27:43 Pl- please, please Google this to find if this is true or we'll be in trouble. I don't wanna get sued by Don Lemon.

Narrator 27:48 I believe he said clockable.

Luis J. Gomez 27:49 Sora works again.

Joe Rogan 27:50 What did he say?

Narrator 27:51 The word was clockable is what I said.

Joe Rogan 27:53 Clockable?

Narrator 27:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:54 Well, just pull up the actual st- thing that he said. (laughs) Like, but people were saying, "Oh my God. Like, he's actually using you look trans as an insult." Do you know how crazy that is?

Big Jay Oakerson 28:04 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 28:07 She doesn't agree with it.

Joe Rogan 28:07 Outspoken LGBTQ ally, Don Lemon, faces backlash after claiming Megyn Kelly looks trans. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 28:15 Oh. Oh, it, it blew up in his face. I see.

Joe Rogan 28:18 (laughs)

Narrator 28:18 Oh.

Joe Rogan 28:19 You know how funny that is?

Luis J. Gomez 28:20 Oh, didn't that happen with what's her name?

Narrator 28:22 Like her chopped.

Luis J. Gomez 28:23 Um, AOC just... She called s- she was making fun of somebody for being short, some like other like dude. And now everyone's like trashing her because she was like, "You can't make fun of short people."

Joe Rogan 28:32 Hey, go back to that. Go back to that, that, what, what he said. It says, "Lemon said he thought Kelly looked chopped." He said, "I think she looks trans," Lemon said. In response, Lemon's co-host wrapped up the show saying, "Let's end on that note." (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 28:50 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 28:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:52 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 28:52 That's fantastic.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Bro, that editor hates him. There's no way that editor doesn't hate him to say, "Let's end on that."

Luis J. Gomez 28:58 Clockable is a hilarious thing to call a woman. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 29:00 Clockable.

Joe Rogan 29:00 That is so crazy. But that's... Well, also he's gay, right? So he doesn't know that Megyn Kelly's hot. She's, she's dangerous like super smart lawyer hot, you know.

Luis J. Gomez 29:11 Is he out gay? I don't follow this. I didn't know if he's like an out gay guy, Don Lemon?

Joe Rogan 29:14 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Don Lemon's married to a guy.

Luis J. Gomez 29:17 Black guy?

Joe Rogan 29:18 Uh, I think he's married to a white guy.

Luis J. Gomez 29:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:20 You're not gonna put a black guy in your butt.

Joe Rogan 29:22 Jesus Christ. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 29:24 That's what they do.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:25 Are you sure?

Luis J. Gomez 29:26 That's what gay sex is.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:28 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 29:28 I don't know. This is probably the first time this has permeated the Rogan Sphere.

Big Jay Oakerson 29:31 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 29:31 With gay sex. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:32 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 29:33 You think the manosphere would know something about this? But...

Joe Rogan 29:35 So when I was a kid, when I was, when I was young, like there was no o- o- o- online obviously. And the first time I ever saw gay porn was a girl that I met at a comedy club. I met this lady at a comedy club. I was like 22 maybe. And, uh, we go back to her apartment in Long Island and she goes, um, "Gay guys lived here before me." And I go, "How do you know?" And she goes, "'Cause they left a tape." I go-

Big Jay Oakerson 30:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:04 "A tape of what?" She goes, "It's a gay porn." I go, "Shut up." And she goes, "Do you wanna see it?" I go, "Okay." So she puts it on and it's these two guys. And this guy pulls this guy's shorts down and pushes him up against a tree and just starts sucking his cock. And, uh, I'm like, "I gotta get outta here." (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 30:24 That's how it always goes. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 30:24 He's like, "That's enough for me."

Joe Rogan 30:26 I was like-

Luis J. Gomez 30:26 "I already came." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:26 I was like, "I didn't know that that-"

Big Jay Oakerson 30:28 Done.

Joe Rogan 30:28 "... really happened."

Big Jay Oakerson 30:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:30 You know what I mean?

Luis J. Gomez 30:31 It looks weird, right? The first time I... 'Cause I moved to New York City when I was 19 and you didn't really experience homosexuality until you're in a big city like that. And the first time I t- saw two guys like kissing, it looked like aliens. Like it was the-

Big Jay Oakerson 30:42 Right.

Luis J. Gomez 30:42 ... the craziest thing ever. And now we're so desensitized to it 'cause everything in the media-

Joe Rogan 30:46 Well, because of porn. We're so desensitized 'cause so many people have seen porn. But like seeing gay porn when I was 22. (laughs) I knew that they had sex. I didn't have a problem with that at all. But it was the shocking reality of watching a guy just go... another guy. And you're like, "Yuck!"Oh. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 31:01 It's jarring, no doubt.

Joe Rogan 31:02 I gotta get outta here. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 31:04 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 31:04 Yeah, it's definitely jarring.

Luis J. Gomez 31:05 Can I take this tape with me?

Joe Rogan 31:06 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 31:07 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 31:08 Did you ever see-

Joe Rogan 31:09 I was like, "That's disturbing." It was very disturbing.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:11 Yeah. I s- still... If... Anytime you see it, it's... It just looks wrong. Looks like the wrong thing is happening.

Joe Rogan 31:17 Oh, then shut it off. Shut it off. I can't.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:18 But they seem to have a fantastic time doing it.

Joe Rogan 31:20 They seem to have a wonderful time. Some people like spicy food. Right? Some people don't.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:24 Uh, did you ever see, did you ever see the movie Fright Night?

Joe Rogan 31:26 Probably.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:27 The old, or 976-Evil? They were two, like, hor- popular horror movies because the k-

Joe Rogan 31:31 I think I remember Fright Night.

Big Jay Oakerson 31:32 Fright Night, the one that played Evil Ed, his best friend, the kid's best friend, uh, when times got tough, did gay porn. Man, he got... It was, like, really hardcore. (laughs) Okay?

Joe Rogan 31:42 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 31:42 It was as jarring as, like, I said, when, like, China did pornography. You're like, "Damn, dude. This guy was not in this world." And then the girl from Boy Meets World does porn now, aggressive, Black gangbang pornography.

Luis J. Gomez 31:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Gay porn?

Big Jay Oakerson 31:55 No, no, no. She's a... It's a girl.

Joe Rogan 31:56 Oh, which girl?

Big Jay Oakerson 31:58 She was on later seasons of Boy Meets World. I think Maitland Ward, her name is. Uh, fuck, she just does pornography now, but, like, like, a lot of it, in her butt.

Joe Rogan 32:07 Whoa.

Luis J. Gomez 32:08 Okay.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah. BBC.

Luis J. Gomez 32:10 Thank you, Jay.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:10 It's an industry term.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Jesus Christ.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:12 That's an industry term for-

Joe Rogan 32:13 Conversation took a dark turn.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:14 Big Black cock, nice.

Joe Rogan 32:16 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 32:16 Good work. Dark turn.

Joe Rogan 32:17 Dark turn. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 32:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:19 Meow.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:20 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 32:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:20 Meow.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:20 We'll be right back after these messages.

Luis J. Gomez 32:22 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:22 Porn, p- I, I still watch porn here and there, but it's just gotten to the point where it just, every time I watch it and I start jerking off, I feel, like, this sense of, like, p- like, almost like if somebody was watching me right now, how pathetic this would look.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:34 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 32:34 Like, you're, like, beating your dick like a monkey, like-

Joe Rogan 32:36 Somebody probably is watching you.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:38 Probably.

Joe Rogan 32:39 There's probably, yeah. There's probably someone's collecting information of you.

Luis J. Gomez 32:42 Of how I jerk off?

Joe Rogan 32:43 Yeah, for either through your front-facing camera or through the, the camera on your... (laughs) on your-

Big Jay Oakerson 32:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:48 ... computer.

Big Jay Oakerson 32:48 Good thing that on my facial recognition pictures are this.

Joe Rogan 32:50 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 32:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:55 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 32:55 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 32:55 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 32:55 Take that picture all you want.

Joe Rogan 32:56 Yeah, it's-

Big Jay Oakerson 32:56 You're not gonna get any doors with that. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 32:57 It's pathetic, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:57 We e- we all kinda know it, right? Like, they, we know that the cameras are on, but we still jerk off right in front of our computers. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 33:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:02 You know what's weird? What's weird-

Big Jay Oakerson 33:03 You just put a piece of tape over it, and I'm like, "Let 'em see."

Joe Rogan 33:06 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 33:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:07 Weird, it's weird that porn is f- free, basically. Like, you just go on a website and you could watch it. But also, they're still making it. Like-

Luis J. Gomez 33:18 Sort of. I think the studios are, like, almost barely making anything anymore. It's all, like, OnlyFans chicks now.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:22 Yeah, I think it's-

Joe Rogan 33:22 But even that.

Luis J. Gomez 33:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:23 Like, just imagine, this is the thing. What I'm saying is, nobody's seeing it at all. Why are you making new ones? Like, no-

Big Jay Oakerson 33:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:29 ... there's no way there's enough supply for the d- or demand, rather, for, for, for the supply. There's so much porn.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:37 People-

Luis J. Gomez 33:37 It's weird though. I still will go back to, like, my favorites though.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:39 I was just gonna say, but also if you, if you're pretty genre-specific-

Joe Rogan 33:43 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 33:43 ... you will see them all eventually.

Luis J. Gomez 33:44 Yeah. You seen every... Jay's seen everything. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:47 (laughs) Which is-

Luis J. Gomez 33:47 If you're genre-specific. That's such a good quote.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:50 Well, Lobster Tube takes me through it alphabetically, you see, so...

Luis J. Gomez 33:53 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 33:54 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 33:54 AI, AI porn is... Not AI porn. Um, VR porn.

Joe Rogan 33:57 Oh, AI porn is coming, bro.

Luis J. Gomez 33:59 Oh yeah? AI porn already exists?

Joe Rogan 34:00 We're gonna, we're gonna be able to have Art Bell having sex with, you know...

Luis J. Gomez 34:04 Me?

Joe Rogan 34:04 You.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:05 Fine with me.

Joe Rogan 34:05 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:06 Um, finally.

Joe Rogan 34:06 Lose Ja- Jay Gomez.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:07 Well, they already did the... Remember, was that all the Taylor Swift getting, like, gangbanged by the Kansas City Chiefs?

Luis J. Gomez 34:13 Oh, like the president smacking her ass too? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:15 They have that already?

Big Jay Oakerson 34:16 Oh, yeah. That was a-

Luis J. Gomez 34:17 Not gangbanged.

Joe Rogan 34:17 It was... They were very good-

Big Jay Oakerson 34:19 It was a while ago.

Joe Rogan 34:19 ... AI pictures of Taylor, and she was just, like, in, in a crowd and, like, there's just-

Big Jay Oakerson 34:23 Taylor? This guy knows her.

Joe Rogan 34:24 ... there's guys, like, grabbing her ass for, like- First name basis.

Luis J. Gomez 34:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 It was her, like, sitting on Trump's lap, and it was like... But they were, like, actually really good.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:31 Yeah. And then Tae Tae, they took some pictures of her. I call her Tae Tae.

Luis J. Gomez 34:34 Nice.

Big Jay Oakerson 34:34 Uh, they... (laughs) But no, I thought there was her, her getting, like, fucked by, like, the Chiefs and stuff. But I think it was funny 'cause I, I believe she came out and was like, "Everyone, those aren't me." (laughs) Which is, like, fu- it's a funny acknowledgement to have to make. "Guys, I didn't get gangbanged by the Kansas City Chiefs."

Joe Rogan 34:48 Well, you know, some 15-year-old girl's in school and her friend's like, "Yeah, it was real. She really did get gang..." Like, you need Taylor to come out and say it.

Luis J. Gomez 34:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:56 Right? "Hey guys, it wasn't me."

Big Jay Oakerson 34:59 Everybody, that wasn't me.

Joe Rogan 35:00 But isn't it crazy that it's-

Big Jay Oakerson 35:01 Someone's been reading my dreams.

Joe Rogan 35:02 ... that good now that you can't tell?

Big Jay Oakerson 35:04 I feel like you could tell.

Joe Rogan 35:05 And then it's-

Big Jay Oakerson 35:05 That's almost the thing.

Joe Rogan 35:06 Yeah. It's, I, I don't think anymore, man. They seem to have a wonderful time. Some people like spicy food. Right? Some people don't.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:08 I don't know why they can't figure out... Remember the big tell? Is like-

Joe Rogan 35:10 Fingers.

Big Jay Oakerson 35:11 ... hands and fingers.

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Luis J. Gomez 36:38 Oh, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 36:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:38 ... looks terrible.

Luis J. Gomez 36:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:40 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 36:40 My mom used to have a, an I Am Legend poster on our bedroom wall that I assume she masturbated to. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 36:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:45 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 36:45 And then you'd forget the name of the movie all the time.

Luis J. Gomez 36:48 Not I Am... Oh, oh, I'm sorry, not I Am Legend. I was thinking, uh, uh, Legends of the Fall.

Joe Rogan 36:51 (clears throat)

Luis J. Gomez 36:52 What?

Joe Rogan 36:52 That's very different.

Luis J. Gomez 36:53 It was Legends of the Fall.

Joe Rogan 36:54 You don't give-

Big Jay Oakerson 36:54 But I do have an I, I do have a Legend tattoo because I forget the name of the movie I Am Legend all the time.

Joe Rogan 36:59 I, I think they're real close to AI being as normal looking as any 4K video. I don't, I don't think... I think they could just make it look-

Luis J. Gomez 37:08 Oh, we're, we're a couple years away from it being, like, straight up-

Joe Rogan 37:11 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 37:11 ... you could generate a whole movie.

Joe Rogan 37:12 Anything.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:12 No, but what generation is...... gonna be generally into, like, consuming and giving a shit about an AI made movie. There's something about-

Joe Rogan 37:20 I think there's going to-

Big Jay Oakerson 37:20 There's something still about... Didn't you even feel like... Sometimes I go back and watch a little bit older movies and it's good. Like, thank God, like, The Thing, the movie, The Thing-

Joe Rogan 37:29 John Carpenter.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:29 ... with Kurt Russell, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:30 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:30 Thank God it was, like, practical effects time still, and it wasn't just like... 'Cause now you're just watching a, uh, a video game-

Joe Rogan 37:36 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 37:36 ... essentially on screen.

Luis J. Gomez 37:36 Yeah, I was thinking about that exact thing. You can't go back and watch... Like, if you try to watch Psycho now, right, compared to, like, it just... It's not scary. When peop- when Psycho came out, people were vomiting in the movie theater, and they were running out, like, freaking out. You get used to whatever it is. Like, my son can't watch a movie from the '80s really. He, like, he can't hold his attention. Like, whatever... So I think as the technology goes on and as we're more-

Big Jay Oakerson 37:56 He's more and more autistic.

Luis J. Gomez 37:57 (laughs) As we- as we're doing more and more AI content, people are gonna get used to it and that's what they're gonna be used to consuming. It's like short videos. Everyone watches short 30 second, one minute long clips now. Nobody really watches TV shows or movies.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:10 I mean, people are still watching movies I think. But it's just like-

Luis J. Gomez 38:13 I think older people.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:14 Maybe. That's what I'm saying. We might be the dying breed of giving a shit about that at all. Some people will be like, "Yeah, if you can get every star I love and to be in one movie, I'll watch it even if it's fake."

Joe Rogan 38:23 I think you're definitely gonna get people that accept that. And you're gonna be able to just generate it instantly with a prompt. You know, they're doing... (clears throat) They do L- Star Wars scenes that never happened with young Luke Skywalker now. Have you seen them?

Big Jay Oakerson 38:35 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 38:35 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:36 You've seen them, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 38:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:37 J- Jamie, put one up just so we could look at it. It's fucking incredible. It looks better than the original Star Wars footage, right? Because that stuff wasn't in HD back then. And it looks exactly like young Luke Skywalker and in the s- exact same voice because they just take the voice from Luke Skywalker from the movies, regenerate it, and it can say anything you want it to.

Big Jay Oakerson 38:56 It's better than, like, animated stuff. But I've never even been able to follow when they, like, do animated versions. I think there's, like, an animated Predator movie coming out that I'll never watch.

Joe Rogan 39:05 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:05 Just because it's animated.

Joe Rogan 39:06 It's all just CGI weird stuff. It's like that uncanny valley. Rick Baker talked about that. He's the guy that made The American Werewolf in London.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:15 Thriller.

Joe Rogan 39:15 Yeah, he made Thriller too.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:16 That, that, the werewolf that's in the lobby. That's what that's from.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:19 A- and he said, "When you're seeing something and you know that it's real, you know, you know it's a physical thing," he goes, "it just looks better." Like, you're, when you're creating everything with computers, your brain knows that. Your brain knows that's not really a dragon.

Big Jay Oakerson 39:33 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 39:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:34 That's not really a dragon. But if you make something that actually looks like a dragon, it's gonna be, even if it's darker and even if it's not as clear, it's gonna be way more effective. Like the Alien movies.

Luis J. Gomez 39:45 It's like when I watch a movie and I know somebody in the movie, like it's a friend of mine acting, it's hard for me to suspend disbelief.

Joe Rogan 39:51 Look at this. This is crazy. Like, this is a scene that never happened in any of the Star Wars movies, and you, you can generate it with a prompt.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:08 I guess I would watch it.

Joe Rogan 40:09 Yeah, you'd watch it, dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:10 Because I just-

Joe Rogan 40:11 Especially if it was good.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:12 ... given the whole, what a heartfelt speech it just gave to turn around immediately when I saw it and go, "Oh, I'd watch a movie that looked like this."

Luis J. Gomez 40:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:17 Yeah, look how good that looks. Like, and the Alien movies are a good example. Like, you go and see, like, like, Alien 1, it's a dude in a suit. Okay? And there's something about the way it moves, that it looks like a real thing. But then if you get to, like, later movies, not n- necessarily even in the Alien genre, but any genre where you have, like, CGI monsters running around.

Big Jay Oakerson 40:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Like, you know, the Underworld series, like the werewolves-

Big Jay Oakerson 40:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:45 ... were like CGI. It just doesn't...

Big Jay Oakerson 40:48 No, it doesn't feel the same at all. It's like it's just-

Joe Rogan 40:49 You're just kind of accepting that this is happening.

Luis J. Gomez 40:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:52 It doesn't, doesn't look as fun.

Luis J. Gomez 40:53 I think they had to use better, like, cinematography and tricks and sound. They had to, they had to literally be perfect on everything in order to bring it to life.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 41:00 Whereas, like, now you can just computer generate anything and...

Joe Rogan 41:03 They also, like, hid stuff and it made it scary. Like, The American Werewolf in London, one of the scariest things about it is you don't see the full werewolf for longer than, like, a second at a time ever. You just see it right before it's attacking people. You see it right when it's at the bottom of the escalator. You don't get a lot of v- until later-

Big Jay Oakerson 41:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:21 ... in the movie.

Luis J. Gomez 41:22 'Cause I think Jaws, right, they don't show the shark until the end, like the very, like, end of the movie you don't see the shark.

Joe Rogan 41:27 Is that true?

Luis J. Gomez 41:27 I think so, yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:28 You know they show in the making, I used to watch the making of Michael Jackson's Thriller a lot. And, uh-

Luis J. Gomez 41:33 More than once?

Big Jay Oakerson 41:35 So much.

Luis J. Gomez 41:36 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 41:36 I have a lot of fun facts.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Rick Baker was the fucking man, dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:39 R- Ri- Rick Baker himself, uh-

Joe Rogan 41:40 He's the man.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:41 ... is, he's in, uh, Thriller. He comes out of the mausoleum. He's the zombie that comes out of the mausoleum. It's Rick Baker.

Joe Rogan 41:46 The shark in Jaws is a total about four minutes of screen time with the first full appearance not occurring till one hour and 21 minutes into the film.

Big Jay Oakerson 41:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 That's crazy.

Luis J. Gomez 41:56 But if you wanna see something funny- It's all music. The, the tone is, like, it's just all, the whole m- the whole, everything scary about Jaws is just the music.

Joe Rogan 42:03 Wow.

Narrator 42:04 There's similar with Jurassic Park and-

Big Jay Oakerson 42:04 Spielberg, more Julys.

Narrator 42:06 ... the dinosaurs come, 15 minutes.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:08 I, um, more Julys of course, Spielberg.

Joe Rogan 42:11 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 42:11 What'd you say, Jamie?

Narrator 42:11 The dinosaurs in Dr- the first Jurassic Park are only on screen for like 15 minutes total.

Joe Rogan 42:16 That was the best CGI ever up until that point.

Luis J. Gomez 42:19 Oh, that was crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:20 But wait, they got in Thriller-

Narrator 42:21 It's still pretty good.

Luis J. Gomez 42:21 Do you wanna something funny?

Joe Rogan 42:22 It's still pretty good.

Narrator 42:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:22 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:22 Jamie, if you could bring up Michael Jackson filming, like, the audio while he's in, like, werewolf makeup of Changing, and they want him to, like, scream. You know, he's growling 'cause it's like the pain of changing into a werewolf. And they just keep going back and forth.

Luis J. Gomez 42:36 He's not officially a werewolf, right? He's a cat, isn't it? It was like the official statement from the director.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 42:40 That's it.

Joe Rogan 42:40 He's like a were-cat or something.

Big Jay Oakerson 42:42 Well, whatever he's doing while he's changing, they keep bouncing back from the sound booth to the actual video where it's like he's changed he goes, "Ah." And then in the booth he's going, "Ow. Yowies."

Joe Rogan 42:55 (laughs)

Narrator 42:55 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 42:55 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 42:55 Michael Jackson. It's so goddamn funny.

Joe Rogan 43:02 Sheesh.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:02 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 43:03 Dude.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:03 It's definitely the... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:05 Music videos used to be the shit, especially ones like that.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:08 That literally, when he said Get Away-

Joe Rogan 43:09 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:09 ... I jumped from the couch to a living room floor.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Got to live.

Narrator 43:12 His eyes start changing.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:13 So yeah, it scared the shit out of me.

Joe Rogan 43:13 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:13 'Cause also I'm like, Michael Jackson, my hero. Yeah, here, that's Rick Baker.

Joe Rogan 43:17 Yeah.Can you find the scene in Thriller where he becomes, uh, a w- a were-cat, or whatever the fuck he is? 'Cause it's not really a werewolf, right? It's like something else.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:30 Yeah. I think they, they officially came out and said it was, like, a, a cat-like creature.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Yeah. I mean, it was such a good fucking video, man. Do you remember-

Big Jay Oakerson 43:38 That's earlier in this... Yeah, it's ear- it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 43:41 How old were you guys when this came out? This was before your time, right?

Big Jay Oakerson 43:44 Oh, this would have come out in '88, maybe?

Joe Rogan 43:47 Yeah, so you were a little kid.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:47 I was six.

Joe Rogan 43:49 Yeah. I was, uh, (beeping) in high school when this came out.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:51 I think it was when she's getting scared. I'm so sorry I'm talking over her.

Joe Rogan 43:54 No. No worries. But-

Big Jay Oakerson 43:54 It's right there, when he's changing, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:56 What year is this, Jamie?

Big Jay Oakerson 43:57 '83?

Joe Rogan 43:59 Yes.

Big Jay Oakerson 43:59 '83? Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 44:00 Wow. Look at that thing.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:03 Back up a little bit.

Narrator 44:05 Be kind to others. (Retro music playing)

Big Jay Oakerson 44:07 Yeah, here.

Narrator 44:16 And we see ******* kids.

44:16 And slate. Excellent. And slate.

44:19 And slate.

Big Jay Oakerson 44:20 Wow. Yeah, it's in this.

Narrator 44:22 Okay, we're gonna do this metamorphosis on Michael Jackson. So first we're gonna do-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:25 Rick Baker.

Narrator 44:25 ... his color Xerox of-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:26 As we live and breathe.

Narrator 44:27 ... Michael, the Rolling Stone. Did these overlays on acetate. First we had to paint out the Rolling Stone and all that. This is just-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:34 Is, like, does that exist still? Like, how... Would they, would they create this sort of, like, image to even do this anymore?

Narrator 44:39 Next time you see him, he's now got a wig on.

Joe Rogan 44:40 He would.

Narrator 44:41 Full face foam rubber appliance. We're going to have bladders and little- (rock music playing) Ah. Whoa. Ah. (screaming) (rock music playing)

Big Jay Oakerson 44:56 Yeah, this was actually kinda shitty-

Joe Rogan 44:58 Dude-

Big Jay Oakerson 44:58 This was as shitty to do to kids as Miley Cyrus punching her fucking pussy on the MTV Awards that one year.

Joe Rogan 45:04 (laughs) Did she punch her pussy?

Big Jay Oakerson 45:05 Oh, my God. And my daughter-

Joe Rogan 45:06 She punched it?

Big Jay Oakerson 45:07 My daughter was right in the wheelhouse of being a Hannah Montana fan. And then one year we were watching the MTV Awards and she's like, "Miley Cyrus would be good." And she came out Robin Thicke, and she just kept... Had she, like, number one finger and she keeps, like, ramming it in her snatch and shit.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Ugh.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:21 And I was like, "Oh! Hey."

Joe Rogan 45:23 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 45:23 And then I became a Miley Cyrus fan. That was it?

Joe Rogan 45:26 Wah.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:26 And my daughter was not allowed to be a-

Joe Rogan 45:28 Wah.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:29 ... fan anymore. (sniffs) Yeah, that was a... Like, a borderline good movie, was, uh, Thriller.

Joe Rogan 45:36 Yeah, man.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:37 Like, it's what? It's like 20 minutes? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:38 That scene, the transformation scene when he turns around and his eyes look weird.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:43 Get away. So good.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Yeah. Kinda like, "It's fucking amazing."

Big Jay Oakerson 45:45 The, uh... It's so funny that, like, Michael Jackson is, like, the one guy who, like... It's basically confirmed that he fucked kids. Like it's, it's all-

Joe Rogan 45:52 I don't think that's, that's confirmed.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:54 It's not confirmed?

Joe Rogan 45:54 No.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:55 Is it not confirmed?

Joe Rogan 45:56 Are they... Hold on, let's watch this.

Big Jay Oakerson 45:57 Oh, this is it?

Joe Rogan 45:57 I'll, I'll definitely wanna talk about it.

Narrator 45:59 Get away. (screaming) Oh. (screaming) Oh! Oh. (screaming)

Joe Rogan 46:04 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:05 I'm gonna have to edit this out, just so you know.

Narrator 46:08 (screaming)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:12 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:12 It was heavy for a kid. (upbeat music playing)

Narrator 46:19 (screaming)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:19 Oh, if she would have already run. She's, she's screaming for so long.

Narrator 46:26 (screaming)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:31 Meow.

Narrator 46:32 (screaming)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:41 Ola Ray, the girl who plays the girl. Fun fact. You got him screaming?

Joe Rogan 46:47 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 46:48 Ola Ray, uh, fun fact, uh, did, uh, Playboy, full bush.

Joe Rogan 46:53 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 46:54 (clapping)

Joe Rogan 46:55 Full bush. It's funny, 'cause this is so corny today. But back then it was, like, legitimately good. We were like, "Wow, that looks so real."

Big Jay Oakerson 47:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:06 People were so dumb in the '80s. We were like, "That looks so real."

Big Jay Oakerson 47:10 Oh, it did.

Joe Rogan 47:11 But this-

Big Jay Oakerson 47:11 That's such a great meme, too.

Joe Rogan 47:12 This whole scene where he... It goes from that to, like, him being a zombie.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:17 Fucking amazing, man. It was like a movie, and a good one. And he's dancing.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:23 (Partysquash - Are You Gonna Be My Baby playing)

Joe Rogan 47:24 Looking so cool.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:26 I really di-

Joe Rogan 47:26 I know, we can't play the music, but-

Big Jay Oakerson 47:27 I really did think it was cool. Did you find the screaming at all, Jamie? I'm- No, no, no. Sorry, man. I'm in on this.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Just scooch up to where he becomes a zombie.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:38 It's probably gonna be here. Yeah. He's betrayed her twice in this video-

Joe Rogan 47:43 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:43 (laughs) ... by the way.

Joe Rogan 47:43 I know. She... It's men. They're a real problem.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:48 (laughs) They don't dance. And then the message of this.

Joe Rogan 47:50 Is that the most famous dance ever? Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:52 Maybe.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:53 I, I used to do it for my great-grandmother, Selma Eisenstein. She didn't love it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:56 There's probably some sort of conspiracy theory.

Big Jay Oakerson 47:58 But this part, though, I could still nail today. (laughs) Uh, if there was more room in here?

Joe Rogan 48:01 Big Jay, please.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:02 Yo, if there was more room in here.

Joe Rogan 48:05 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 48:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:05 I wanna see you do that part right there.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:08 Oh, my God. (laughs) (Laughs) Shit.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Do, do, do, do, do.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:13 Yeah, shit. The Thriller dance.

Joe Rogan 48:15 We... I always thought that-

Big Jay Oakerson 48:16 By the way, this is by the... This is... The story of this is, he does... He betrays her twice.

Joe Rogan 48:20 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:20 In the movie. He lures her out when he knows it's gonna be a full moon, turns into a werewolf and hunts her.

Joe Rogan 48:24 It's about to be a third time, by the way.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:25 Hey, no. Exactly. She goes for it in two seconds. He goes, "Hey, what's going on?" She goes, "Oh, I must be crazy." And then he fools her yet again.

Joe Rogan 48:33 The third time. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 48:33 Yeah. This chick, at this point, she deserves whatever she gets.

Joe Rogan 48:36 That's how the devil works, Big Jay.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:39 Look, right there.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:39 By the way, inconsistency. He doesn't turn back into the zombie. He's now gonna be the werewolf from the movie.

Joe Rogan 48:45 Weird.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:46 Yeah, it's a lot of different things.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:48 They threw a lot at you. And then Vincent Price.

Joe Rogan 48:51 So he didn't fuck kids?

Big Jay Oakerson 48:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:53 So here's the thing.

Big Jay Oakerson 48:54 (clears throat) I don't think it's confirmed, but I'll tell you what-

Joe Rogan 48:55 This is why-

Big Jay Oakerson 48:56 ... a lot of his birthdays he danced good.

Joe Rogan 48:57 This is why I'm saying that. The... You know, the doctor that went to jail for pro- providing him with that, uh, propofol.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:04 Propofol? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:04 That, that doctor said that he was chemically castrated when he was young, which is why he kept that voice. Which also kinda makes sense when you look at his physique, right? Because he was, like, very slight. And if you look at his brothers, they're all, like, way bigger guys. The... I don't know if the doctor's telling the truth, but if he was, that's not an unprecedented thing. They used to do that with-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:24 You get some less if you're chemically castrated.

Joe Rogan 49:25 They used to do that with opera singers.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:26 No.

Joe Rogan 49:27 They used to do that with opera singers.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:28 It was called a castrata.

Big Jay Oakerson 49:30 Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think either that there's a... There's like, uh-

Joe Rogan 49:35 (clears throat)

Big Jay Oakerson 49:35 ... like, anal sex accusations on him or stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 49:38 No, I just think-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:39 I think it's all, like, t- like, touching and-

Joe Rogan 49:40 Yeah, it was like-

Big Jay Oakerson 49:41 ... sleeping together.

Joe Rogan 49:42 It could be inappropriate behavior. First of all, he became famous when he was, like, six years old and became, like, the most famous person ever. Like, you're gonna get fucked up.

Luis J. Gomez 49:51 Yeah, it's like, suspended-

Joe Rogan 49:52 You're gonna get- Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 49:52 You see it happen with-

Joe Rogan 49:53 Exactly, suspended childhood.

Luis J. Gomez 49:54 ... with, uh, you know, Britney Spears now.

Joe Rogan 49:56 Yep.

Luis J. Gomez 49:56 And, uh, who else is the other one that's kinda going crazy? Oh, Ariana Grande. She's like, if you watch interviews with her now, she is gonna be a whack-a-doodle Michael Jackson-

Joe Rogan 50:04 Uh, uh. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 50:04 ... Britney Spears type in the future, guaranteed. She's like, all like, she talks like a fairy. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 50:10 (splutters) Well, I saw that one where, with her with the other lady from Wicked were, like, talking cr-

Luis J. Gomez 50:14 Yeah, the blackjack?

Joe Rogan 50:14 And then there was a lesbian saying you guys are holding space and-

Luis J. Gomez 50:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:17 ... everyone's like, "The fuck are you guys talking about?" (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 50:20 Who talks like this?

Big Jay Oakerson 50:21 Did you see-

Luis J. Gomez 50:21 It's fucking crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:22 Did you see, there was a, did you see a lady... There was some, like, backlash 'cause a lady made, like, a mockup. I guess the Wicked Playbill.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Wicked is really good, by the way.

Luis J. Gomez 50:31 But I'm saying the movie was great. The movie was great.

Joe Rogan 50:32 The movie's amazing.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:33 But the-

Joe Rogan 50:33 Ariana Grande and that lady, the other lady, I for-

Big Jay Oakerson 50:36 But the Playbill.

Joe Rogan 50:36 I forget her name. So talented.

Luis J. Gomez 50:37 The Playbill-

Joe Rogan 50:38 What's her name?

Luis J. Gomez 50:38 Um, uh... (smacks lips)

Big Jay Oakerson 50:40 Wow, you knew Ariana Grande. Wow.

Luis J. Gomez 50:42 No, no, no, no, no. Uh, what-

Joe Rogan 50:43 Wow.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:43 Wow.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Wildly inappropriate.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:45 Oh, I call her Nose Ring Baldhead. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:48 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 50:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:48 Oh, that's her Indian name. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 50:51 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 50:51 Me, I call her Nose Ring Baldhead.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Oh my God.

Big Jay Oakerson 50:54 Um, but she... There was a... So the Playbill for the movie on, or the show on Broadway is a silhouette of the Wicked Witch and, uh, I guess Glinda, like, whispering in the ear, but, like, really covering the face. Um, her own face. In the movie poster, it's clearly Ariana Grande whispering into the ear of the lady who plays, uh, Nose Ring Baldhead.

Joe Rogan 51:18 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 51:19 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 51:19 And then a lady made a mockup of the movie poster as the Playbill. So, like, shadowed out the, the Witch, and, you know, moved Ariana Grande's hand to, like, cover the face. And it got all this backlash because that lady was like, "Uh, I'm a proud Black woman. You cover my face in this thing." And she was like, "No, I was just making it like that." And then she got all this backlash and she, like, removed the post eventually.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Oh, boy.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:42 She had to take it down for, like, a thing. She was like, "I just thought it was a fun mockup to make the p- movie poster look like the Playbill."

Joe Rogan 51:49 (sighs)

Big Jay Oakerson 51:49 And it's like, once again, putting a Black woman in the background. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:52 Oh.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:52 And I don't know if that's what was going on there.

Joe Rogan 51:54 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:54 Come on, Nose Ring Baldhead.

Luis J. Gomez 51:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:56 Well, here's the thing.

Big Jay Oakerson 51:57 This ain't the way you're supposed to act, Nose Ring Baldhead. Everyone's been... Loves the movie.

Joe Rogan 52:01 In order for you to act in that style as well as they did, you've gotta be a little crazy. You- you're gonna pretend you're a fucking witch and you're flying around destroying everything and you're doing it really well. You're probably a little kooky. And if you weren't that talented, you're gonna get kooky.

Luis J. Gomez 52:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:17 And if you give Kooky the reins to, you know, to do-

Luis J. Gomez 52:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:20 ... those kooky interviews where they're talking about holding space and... And like, let him-

Luis J. Gomez 52:24 Well, that was kinda like... We grew up in a time where it's like, you'd hear about, like, a director, like, coming in and, like, assaulting an actress in order to get the scene out of her. (laughs) And it'd be like-

Joe Rogan 52:32 Jesus Christ.

Luis J. Gomez 52:33 He'd punch her in the face and be like, "All right, action." (laughs) And it'd be like Stanley Kubrick.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:36 It'd be like Stanley Kubrick.

Joe Rogan 52:36 And Steve McQueen-

Luis J. Gomez 52:37 Famously.

Joe Rogan 52:38 And Steve McQueen did that.

Luis J. Gomez 52:40 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 52:40 To, uh, whatever the, the woman he was dating in that movie. There's a scene where she didn't know that he was gonna hit her and he just starts smacking her around. And it's... What, what was her name? Ally? Ally McGraw. Ally McGraw.

Big Jay Oakerson 52:52 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:52 And I think they were dating at the time. And he smacks the shit out of her, like, for real, for real.

Luis J. Gomez 52:58 To get the shot?

Joe Rogan 52:59 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 53:00 She used to-

Joe Rogan 53:00 And I don't think she knew.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:02 Ow. (slaps) (gasps)

Joe Rogan 53:02 Look at this.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:03 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 53:03 She used to turn up in Celebrity Sleuth Magazine-

Big Jay Oakerson 53:05 Ow.

Luis J. Gomez 53:05 ... when I was younger, big nips.

Joe Rogan 53:08 Bro, he's really slapping her. This is real. And so she's actually really freaking out because he just beat her in front of the cameras.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:17 That looked a little bit-

Luis J. Gomez 53:17 This is acting. This is why I wanna become an actor.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:20 What, she wanted to be-

Joe Rogan 53:21 Uh, was, was that in, uh... Translated in Russian?

Narrator 53:25 Yeah, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 53:26 It's like a famous scene, like, uh, where it's like-

Joe Rogan 53:28 What's with Russian?

Narrator 53:29 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 53:30 The little kid who's, like, crying on the porch.

Big Jay Oakerson 53:32 Well, Russia, in Russia, in Russia there's a story of triumph.

Joe Rogan 53:34 But who was it that was like, "Why do those slaps sound fake?"

Narrator 53:37 They added something back. They added some of that.

Joe Rogan 53:39 (laughs) You get a Russian version of it, dub sound too.

Narrator 53:43 It doesn't look good. It's just a widescreen.

Joe Rogan 53:44 That sound is terrible. It's like you're hitting a-

Big Jay Oakerson 53:47 She put it in wooden box with a bat.

Joe Rogan 53:49 ... wooden box with a bat. Jesus Christ. But yeah, he smacked the shit out of her for real in that scene.

Luis J. Gomez 53:53 There was a scene where, uh, I don't know what movie it was, but it was a little kid who was crying on a porch and the, the director told the kid that their, like, their parents were dead or something. Maybe they told him that their pet was dead or whatever to get the kid crying. But it's like, that was great movie-making. (laughs) That was real.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:08 Yeah, yeah. That's, that's Stanley Kubrick and, um... What's her name? The one who played Wendy in The Shining.

Luis J. Gomez 54:14 Was she ever naked in anything?

Big Jay Oakerson 54:16 Shelley Duvall.

Joe Rogan 54:16 What, did he freak her out?

Big Jay Oakerson 54:17 No, no, nobody wanted to see her naked. He would, like, f- be shitty to her to get her, like, all frazzled.

Joe Rogan 54:22 Really?

Big Jay Oakerson 54:22 She talked about it famously in interviews that she didn't like it at all. And she doesn't look back on it like, "Oh, we, we did, we had to do it to get in the movie." She was like, "I think he's a bad person." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:30 Oh, Jesus Christ. (laughs) Didn't she retire? She like, was like-

Big Jay Oakerson 54:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:35 ... did a few more movies and then like, "Fuck this."

Big Jay Oakerson 54:37 Yeah. Basically you could play Olive Oyl or scared lady-

Joe Rogan 54:39 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:39 ... who lives in a tucked away winter hotel.

Luis J. Gomez 54:42 Yeah, I just, I just saw her in something recently. Did she die recently?

Big Jay Oakerson 54:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 54:45 But she's, yeah, she's-

Big Jay Oakerson 54:46 Where'd you see her, huh?

Luis J. Gomez 54:47 She looks like a crazy (laughs) old woman now. Like-

Big Jay Oakerson 54:49 Yeah, she looks old.

Luis J. Gomez 54:49 ... she's, uh, missing a tooth.

Big Jay Oakerson 54:51 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Oh, boy.

Luis J. Gomez 54:52 Yeah, it wasn't good.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Yeah, that-

Luis J. Gomez 54:53 Poor women. We just get better with age. Women fall apart. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:57 Especially that business. That business. Only a certain number of jobs for old ladies and Faye Dunaway takes all of them. (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 55:03 Why, isn't it interesting?

Big Jay Oakerson 55:05 I'm, I'm trying to think of, like, the most contemporary I could think of, like, change in seeing somebody go from, like, can do no wrong, gorgeous to, like, a lady. And that was Pam Anderson.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:16 That was at the set, so-

Joe Rogan 55:16 No, she's doing a good job at it. Like Meryl Streep?

Big Jay Oakerson 55:19 No, no, she's doing a... She's actually doing a great job. But there was a, like a out of the limelight for a while and then showing back up major difference in her looks.

Joe Rogan 55:27 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:28 Like, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 55:29 Well, she gave up on makeup.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:30 Well, she... But she, you know, she left the public spotlight like Kid Rock's girlfriend and then came back like a grandmother. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:36 Age appropriate. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 55:37 Yeah, yeah. Very into that.

Luis J. Gomez 55:38 But I think they should be age appropriate. You see, like, Dolly Parton now and she looks like, just like, she still looks like she's 35 years old.

Joe Rogan 55:44 Oh, really?

Big Jay Oakerson 55:44 Well-

Luis J. Gomez 55:44 Yeah, it's crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 55:45 She's dressing like she's 35.

Luis J. Gomez 55:46 No, of course. But it's like, she's, like, still stuck in this, like, sort of, like, big hair and makeup-

Big Jay Oakerson 55:51 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 55:51 ... and, like, big fat titties and, like...

Big Jay Oakerson 55:53 She comes from fucking-... way, like, '60s and shit, like, uh, like, showmanship.

Luis J. Gomez 55:57 You're 104 years old. (laughs) Just get old already.

Joe Rogan 55:59 Oh, yeah. Well, I think if you... The thing is if you're a woman and you... A lot of, like, the value that you bring to a conversation is that you're unbelievably beautiful, like, people are excited to talk to you. And then whatever else you have to say is just a, a bonus on top of it. But if you're really hot, people just wanna talk to you. And then you get to a point in your life where that just stops. So, like, your life's focus has been about being attractive, looking great, you know, being really fit, looking hot. So you walk in the room, "Oh my God, look at her, she's a firecracker." And then that just goes away. And if your whole life is based on just that one thing and you don't pivot to something else, like, "Okay, let's just find a hobby. (laughs) Let's just find some other... Let's just n- try not to be hot at 80," you know?

Big Jay Oakerson 56:48 Well, did you see The Substance? That's kinda the substance of, uh...

Joe Rogan 56:51 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:51 That was great.

Joe Rogan 56:52 Great movie, man.

Big Jay Oakerson 56:53 (coughing) But it's so funny, like, uh, you know, whatever the message of the movie was, what got me was, like, by the end of it, like, she wasn't bad-looking at all. You know, she looked really great for her age, but she still just didn't want that at all.

Joe Rogan 57:04 There's a few ladies-

Big Jay Oakerson 57:04 So I get it.

Joe Rogan 57:05 ... who age gracefully. Like Julia Roberts is aging gracefully.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:09 You know?

Big Jay Oakerson 57:09 I haven't seen her in a minute.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Meryl Streep, she aged gracefully. It's just-

Big Jay Oakerson 57:14 Helen Mirren.

Joe Rogan 57:15 But then you look over at, uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 57:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:18 ... uh, Kris Kardashian or w- what would you call her? No.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:23 Yeah, Kris Kardashian. But they're get-

Joe Rogan 57:24 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:24 They're getting, like, uh... Well, apparently there's a new surgery that fixes your shitty surgery in Hollywood. That's why... So she looks good again, Kris Jenner.

Joe Rogan 57:32 That's what they did to her?

Big Jay Oakerson 57:33 I think she looks like-

Joe Rogan 57:33 A new surgery?

Big Jay Oakerson 57:34 She looks, she looks, like, good, right, Kris Jenner?

Joe Rogan 57:36 Yes. Yes.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:36 And that's a big change.

Joe Rogan 57:37 And everybody's freaking out, "Oh my God, she got a new head." And all these other ladies want a new head too. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 57:42 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 57:42 'Cause like... (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 57:43 But I think it's-

Joe Rogan 57:43 Have you seen the difference?

Luis J. Gomez 57:44 I s- I haven't seen this one, but I know the daughters. Like, if you watch, like, a young Kendall Jenner compared to-

Joe Rogan 57:48 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This one's crazy.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:50 Yeah, this is great.

Luis J. Gomez 57:50 Yeah, this is the craziest one.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:51 She looks... New head. She looks like a sister.

Luis J. Gomez 57:52 She's got a new head.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:52 She's like one of the sisters.

Luis J. Gomez 57:53 Plus, uh, sh- uh, Kelly Osbourne.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 57:54 Kelly Osbourne has a new head.

Big Jay Oakerson 57:56 Pretty much, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 57:56 Kelly Osbourne is a new human being. 'Cause I just saw an interview with her after her dad died.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 58:01 She's, like, literally-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:02 That's what it took.

Luis J. Gomez 58:02 ... just, like, a hot chick now. She was a, a frumpy, (laughs) square-bodied British chick-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:07 Oh.

Luis J. Gomez 58:07 ... her whole life.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:08 Stop, she was cute.

Joe Rogan 58:08 She looks like you.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:09 I thought she was cute, but that's 'cause I thought I could get her.

Luis J. Gomez 58:11 I think she's a little cuter than you, but-

Big Jay Oakerson 58:12 I thought I could get her.

Joe Rogan 58:14 (laughs) But yeah, she looks like a totally new human being.

Luis J. Gomez 58:16 Yeah, completely new.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Um, what were you g- what were you looking up?

Luis J. Gomez 58:20 Kris Jenner.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Kris Jenner. She's... I wanna know how old she is as well. So when you look at those kind of results, you're like, "Okay, now I get it." (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 58:32 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 58:32 Yeah, man, it's-

Joe Rogan 58:33 Now I get it because before, I was like, "You guys have to perfect this before you, you turn everybody into a lizard."

Luis J. Gomez 58:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:41 Becau- you're doing a weird thing." So, like, look. This is what she looks like now.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:44 Yeah, she looks great.

Joe Rogan 58:45 What are you talking about? This can't be real.

Big Jay Oakerson 58:48 I have no-

Joe Rogan 58:48 First of all, I wanna know who took this picture and w- where'd you get your camera? (laughs) What, what filters are you using? Is that a filterless photo? 'Cause that's insane.

Luis J. Gomez 58:58 Yeah, she looks great.

Joe Rogan 58:59 She looks insanely good.

Luis J. Gomez 59:00 Yeah, how old is she?

Joe Rogan 59:01 A thousand years old.

Narrator 59:02 69.

Luis J. Gomez 59:03 69?

Narrator 59:04 Yep.

Luis J. Gomez 59:05 Toyt.

Joe Rogan 59:05 See, like, that's incredible. Whatever that doctor did. (smacks lips)

Luis J. Gomez 59:10 Yeah, if you're that rich, y- you know-

Big Jay Oakerson 59:12 What's that weird thing on some-

Luis J. Gomez 59:13 But the average, the average person can't afford this type of surgery.

Joe Rogan 59:15 Listen, Captain Blue Collar, settle down.

Narrator 59:18 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 59:18 Now they're doing the thing-

Joe Rogan 59:18 Settle the fuck down. We're working with science here, not equity.

Narrator 59:22 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 59:22 How about, how about the chicks that are taking, uh... The chicks taking the pads out of their cheeks?

Joe Rogan 59:26 Oh, Jesus, don't do that, ladies.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:28 Their face is fucking...

Joe Rogan 59:28 Yeah, the...

Big Jay Oakerson 59:29 Crazy look.

Joe Rogan 59:30 What is it called?

Big Jay Oakerson 59:30 Crazy idea.

Joe Rogan 59:31 Bu- buckle fat? What is it called?

Narrator 59:33 I think so.

Joe Rogan 59:34 Ugh.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:34 Buckle, yeah. It's just a-

Joe Rogan 59:36 Ugh.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:36 It sounds like something so scary to do.

Joe Rogan 59:38 God damn it.

Luis J. Gomez 59:39 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:40 It takes fucking shit outta your face.

Joe Rogan 59:41 See, like, but most plastic surgery, you say, "Oh, that doesn't look better." But with Kris Jenner, that looks better.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:47 I think this is a specific thing that's happ-... There's a, there's some new surgery they're doing that's correcting shitty surgery.

Joe Rogan 59:53 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 59:53 And a few people, you can see are, are weirdly looking better now. Maybe Nicole Kidman, like, got fixed up a little bit.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Yeah, bro, who knows what, what they're doing.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:00 Dude, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get fucking fake abs. If you could see those, the ab implants.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:05 No, I've always said-

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 You know what? I think-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:06 ... I crowdsourced it. My audience will pay for it. I'm gonna fat ass.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Most of what they're doing... Most of what they're doing is they're sucking out the fat in between the ab muscles to make them, like, look like this sculpted thing.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:14 Oh, really? It's, it's lipo around the abs?

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 Yeah. Yeah.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:16 It really what it is-

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:17 I thought they did actual implants.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:18 No, what it really actually is, is fat rolls they just fucking...

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Uh...

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:21 Right? Sort of, right? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 No, no, some people can get implants. Like, there's that one guy that did his whole body, like a Ken doll.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Do you know about that guy?

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Oh, he's had, like, a ton of implants all over his shoulders and his ar-... He looks crazy. Illega- illeg- legitimately crazy. I think maybe some people are doing it with their abs. What a lot of people are doing is just a liposuction sculpture.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Etching, that's what they call it.

Luis J. Gomez 1:00:44 It's so funny. There's like... Oh, you get all these things now for like... 'Cause women have had, like, Spanx forever and, like, just body shaping, like, things to wear under their clothes. And they'll like... They'll advertise them for dudes. I don't know if I could wear, like, Spanx to suck in my body. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:00:58 I cannot possibly dream of a situation taking my clothes off in front of a woman.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:02 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:02 And her having to watch me, like, spill out of a shirt I'm wearing. Like e- with every, like, inch I take off, like, things just, like, start expanding.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:10 So I got... I-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:10 It's like I'm, uh, like I'm vacuum sealed.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:12 I have really bad posture, right? And there's a few things that I've gotten to help with my posture. One of them is, like, a thing that you stick to your back. And if you lean down a little bit, it buzzes and you, you correct yourself. Like it, like it vibrates.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:22 Like a dog?

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:23 Yeah, like a dog. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:24 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:24 But another one that I had was a harness. A, a harness that essentially pul-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:28 Oh my God, it's all, like, a dog stuff.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:30 It, it...

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:31 I put... I hook it up to a runner out back.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:34 And then I can zoom all around-

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:35 No, no, n-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:35 ... with no fear of getting hit by a car.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:36 No, no, no, he's getting a muzzle.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Is it a fucking collar that doesn't let him leave his yard? (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:40 Every time I-

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Zap.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:40 Every time I slouch, uh, I get shocked. (laughs)

Big Jay Oakerson 1:01:43 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:43 No, there's a harness that you wear and it pulls your shoulders back, like this, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Oh, I've seen that, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:48 Yeah, yeah. But I, I got that and I was like, "This one's actually pretty good 'cause it, it corrects your posture naturally."

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 Mm-hmm.

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:53 And I remember I went on a date with a girl and I hugged her and she goes, "Are you wearing a bra?"

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:01:59 (laughs) (clapping) And I was like, "Oh, I'd rather have shitty posture-

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:02:03 ... than be accused of wearing a bra by a woman."

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Oh, that's hilarious. That's so funny.

Luis J. Gomez 1:02:09 Are you wearing a harness?

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 (laughs) Are you wearing a bra?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:02:10 Did you break off of a school trip where you were connected to other kids?

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 (laughs)

Luis J. Gomez 1:02:13 Oh my God. Yeah. Just guys, there's n- there's noth- it's like being bald and wearing a hat. Like, g- girls don't, they'd rather you just be bald. Women don't want an unconfident man. Like, I don't w- men don't really give a shit about women's confidence as much, I guess, maybe.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:02:28 But does a hat reek of l- lack of confidence?

Luis J. Gomez 1:02:31 If you're a r- if you're a bald guy-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:02:32 Maybe other bald guys that got hack-

Luis J. Gomez 1:02:33 ... who wears a hat all the time.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:02:33 Yeah, but a hack is a, is a look, I think, almost.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Yeah, but the, the hat also, as a bald guy-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:02:38 If you're wearing it to cover up-

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 ... a hat will cover up your baldness. A hat covers it up, yeah.

Luis J. Gomez 1:02:42 I used to wear a hat in the beginning because I was going bald when I was like 19. I started going bald with 19.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:02:45 But I was gonna say, wearing a hat because you're going bald, like starting to see like the pattern of-

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 Right.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:02:48 But if you shave your head down, a hat's just like a look, I think.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Right, right.

Luis J. Gomez 1:02:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 If you shave your head down, if you already have a shaved head.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:02:54 But wearing it to hide, like, receding hairline.

Luis J. Gomez 1:02:55 Yeah, when I was like 19, I started going bald and I would wear a hat all the time, uh, all the time before I started shaving my head down. So, apparently-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:03:01 I've seen that before with someone who wears a hat as like their look. And then one day they take it off, they look like fucking Riff Raff from Rocky Horror. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Uh, apparently there's-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:03:09 With nothing on top.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 ... a new drug. What, where was that drug developed? Was it, was it Taiwan? Some, some country developed a drug that's regrowing hair. Like, they, they, they put it on bald mice and they demonstrated you could put it on like a square area-

Luis J. Gomez 1:03:25 Let's do it, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 ... of the mouse's body. I think, uh, I like being bald.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:03:29 Oh, here we go.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 And, uh-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:03:30 The lies start.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 ... even if it grew back, I'd keep it super short. I'd just keep it stubble.

Luis J. Gomez 1:03:35 Let's see. 20 days it grows it back?

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 20 days. Raising questions about what, uh, the finding means for the treatment of human baldness. But if I had a fucked up looking head, like if I had a flat head, I'd definitely want some hair back there.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:03:48 (laughs) Can you go back to that article for a second?

Narrator 1:03:50 Yeah, I was just gonna say though-

Luis J. Gomez 1:03:51 There's a certain look that doesn't work with, uh...

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 See, isn't that crazy? Look, they grew like a square.

Big Jay Oakerson 1:03:56 Uh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 What part do you wanna see?

Big Jay Oakerson 1:03:58 Um, I just see it was something... Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 So-

Big Jay Oakerson 1:04:04 Oh, it was a doctor,