Joe Rogan Experience #2410 - Jeff Dye

Jeff Dye 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Jeff Dye 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) I'm trying to get to that.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Yeah, that's the key. That's the-

Jeff Dye 0:15 But they're tricking me, Joe. They're- they're-

Joe Rogan 0:16 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 0:16 ... they're baiting me in with the algorithm.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Yeah, these motherfuckers. They get me too. They get me in the morning. When I was-

Jeff Dye 0:22 I was just talking about it with Jamie, that like-

Joe Rogan 0:24 Are we rolling?

Narrator 0:25 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 0:25 I was just talking about with him, is like, I'm so good at, like, not caring what people think, sort of. And then I find, no, I really care a lot. Like, I'm like-

Joe Rogan 0:37 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 0:37 ... in a constant tug of war of that.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Everybody cares.

Jeff Dye 0:39 Because I used to have Google alerts on.

Joe Rogan 0:41 Oh, no. For your name?

Jeff Dye 0:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Oh.

Jeff Dye 0:43 Yeah. And then I had to get rid of that.

Joe Rogan 0:45 Oh, how dare you do that.

Jeff Dye 0:46 Yeah. Then I was like, "I'm gonna check the YouTube comments." So that's when-

Joe Rogan 0:49 No.

Jeff Dye 0:49 ... that was a ring that I had to close. I'm slowly closing the rings. The ring I'm stuck in right now is checking what, like, my comedy peers are up to. You know, that kind of stuff.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Oh, no.

Jeff Dye 0:58 The one, the- the- they make videos-

Joe Rogan 0:59 Let me get you a cigar.

Jeff Dye 1:01 The videos they make of like, uh, "Oh, so and so is- is, you know, having a breakdown, or Marc Maron said this." Or those kind of, like those rings, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:11 Oh, no, no, no.

Jeff Dye 1:11 But I need to close that. I wanna get, I wanna have no- none of it. I wanna-

Joe Rogan 1:14 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:14 I don't wanna check any comments or any- anything.

Joe Rogan 1:17 I'm, uh, much better at this stuff than I ever have been in the past, of avoiding most things that are annoying. But every now and then, one will sneak in. And then I'll go-

Jeff Dye 1:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:26 ... "Why did I let that sneak in?"

Jeff Dye 1:28 Yeah, I texted you one.

Joe Rogan 1:28 "Why did I let that bother me?"

Jeff Dye 1:29 Yeah, I texted you. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Dude.

Jeff Dye 1:30 I was going, "Hey, check this out." He goes, "Don't send me shit like this." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:33 The Ronda Rousey one didn't really bother me.

Jeff Dye 1:35 Okay, good.

Joe Rogan 1:35 I- I mean, I know what that is.

Jeff Dye 1:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39 You know? Like, she's a- she's a fucking pit bull, man. That's, uh, the type of human-

Jeff Dye 1:44 Thanks, brother.

Joe Rogan 1:44 You're welcome.

Jeff Dye 1:45 Do you mind if I tell you my opinion of Ronda Rousey, and you tell me if I'm right or not?

Joe Rogan 1:48 Sure. Go ahead.

Jeff Dye 1:49 'Cause you know what you're talking about, and I am not a UFC... Like, I like UFC, but I don't... You know, you know these things.

Joe Rogan 1:55 Right.

Jeff Dye 1:55 So, I've always said, like, Ronda Rousey was a badass.

Joe Rogan 1:59 Right.

Jeff Dye 2:00 And was awesome at fighting when there was like 30 girls doing it. In- like, professionally, at her level.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 2:08 Right? Th- That's why I said I might be wrong. But then there was probably all these girls who could really fight all over the world, like in Japan and other countries, and even maybe even in America that just weren't in UFC. They're like, "I could probably beat this chick." And now that there's so many women competing on this level, like, Ronda Rousey probably isn't in her prime as badass as like the field.

Joe Rogan 2:29 Well, it's very difficult to, when someone's a pioneer, she's a legitimate pioneer.

Jeff Dye 2:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:36 It's very difficult to compare them to the people that have had a chance to study the pioneers and then advance the sport.

Jeff Dye 2:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:43 So, what she was is... Here you go.

Jeff Dye 2:46 Thanks.

Joe Rogan 2:46 Have a lighter, fella. She's a legend. I mean, I got nothing but love and respect for that lady. What she did was so impressive. She was the first legitimate female superstar. She made the UFC female division possible.

Jeff Dye 3:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:03 If it wasn't for her... Dana was very open about never having female UFC fighters. It took someone w- that was that dynamic, that was that special, to open his eyes and go, "You know what? I think this lady's a star." And to be the type of, like... When she said like, "I wasn't an expert." Any- everyone's entitled to their opinion, you know?

Jeff Dye 3:23 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 3:23 But you gotta understand why she thinks like that, 'cause she's a fucking- she has a champion mentality. You never fought, you ain't shit. You know, it's like, it's real simple.

Jeff Dye 3:30 It's why the football guys always do that.

Joe Rogan 3:32 You ain't shit.

Jeff Dye 3:32 "You didn't play?"

Joe Rogan 3:33 You ain't shit.

Jeff Dye 3:33 "You didn't get it? I studied the sport."

Joe Rogan 3:35 Doesn't matter. You ain't shit.

Jeff Dye 3:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:36 I get it. It's totally fine. Um, you can't judge her, like compare her to like Zhang Weili, because like Zhang Weili, who was the 115 pound champion, she had a chance to watch all these other people, learn what they're doing right, what they're doing wrong, what's effective, what's not effective. What- what- what Ronda had is world-class judo. World class. Bronze medalist in the Olympics. One of the best arm bars, period, in the sport, in the history of the sport. Her fucking arm bar, the technique was flawless. There's a fight with her and Cat Zingano. Cat Zingano launches at her, just fucking... Cat Zingano was an animal. Charges at her full speed. Ronda catches her in an arm bar in like 13 seconds. I don't remember the exact time. It was nuts. But it was perfect, perfect technique. You know, you couldn't fuck with that. But then she fought Holly Holm. And when she fought Holly Holm, she was dealing with an elite boxer, an elite kickboxer, and a very physically strong woman who had an awesome game plan and who had a chance to study Ronda. And maybe more importantly, came from a great camp. And that camp, Jackson-Winkeljohn camp, one of the best camps in the world. Jon Jones came out of that camp. Holly, uh, Donald Cerrone originally came out of that camp. A lot of great fighters came out of there. So they were really good at game planning. So they knew how Ronda likes to clinch, they knew how Ronda likes to set up her take downs, and they knew, you know, what to avoid. And then, on top of that, Holly is just an elite striker. So every time Ronda tried to close the distance, the striking that she was very effective with against guys like, uh, Beth Correia, these- these fighters that were a- a lower tier, it's not gonna be as effective with someone like Holly. And Holly started catching her on the feet and had her rocked, and then landed that famous high kick and put her out.

Jeff Dye 5:28 Well, I thought they were like the same age and same era. But like Holly's after.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Not really.

Jeff Dye 5:34 She was able to learn from, uh-

Joe Rogan 5:36 I wouldn't say they're- they are the same era. But Holly, you know, she had wins and losses. She lost to Valentina Shevchenko, she lost to some other fighters, and... But it was, stylistically, it was a great matchup for her, because she's a elite striker. She's really good at counter strikering- striking. She's really good at movement. And when Ronda has to close that distance, every fight starts in the feet. And when you're with a very physically strong woman who's got good takedown defense, and is good at like catching

Joe Rogan 6:06 you as you're charging in, that was- that was the problem in that fight. Also the problem in that fight, I think for Ronda, is...... when you start becoming really famous, then the hyenas s- show up-

Narrator 6:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:21 And they start offering you this and offering you that, and distracting you with this and distracting you with that. And now you're going to meetings and you're talking to agents and you're setting up movies and you're doing this and you're doing that. And all those things take away from the most important thing, which is your fighting.

Narrator 6:39 (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 6:39 Even if they don't take away from the amount of training you do, they take away from your focus. They just, they rob you of the bandwidth. You know, I always tell, uh, comics this when it comes to, like, dealing with, um, haters and things online that you shouldn't read. You only have ... Like, think of your mind as having a number of units of attention. Think you have a, a, like 100 units of focus. Anything that eats into those units, anything that bothers you, that annoys you, that's useless, that doesn't help you, that's stealing from your 100. You know? So now you only have 80 units or 70 units of focus, 'cause 30 of it is concentrated on bullshit. It will, it'll rob you of what makes you great. So there was two factors. There was the skill of Holly, the fact that she had all this opportunity to study Ronda and with a great team and devise a game plan, and then there's also the stealing of focus. You know, Ronda, I was one of the biggest champions of her as a fighter, as a, as a, like, a legitimate pioneer and a star. There was, first, it was Gina Carano and Chris Cyborg to a certain extent, but Cyborg had an asterisk 'cause everybody knew she was roided up. And then it was Ronda, but Ronda b- eclipsed all of them. She was bigger than all of them. I was a huge supporter, and still am, but when you watch a fight and you're watching you get your ass kicked, and the other person is talking about how great the other person is doing and how bad you're doing, that doesn't sit well with a lot of people.

Narrator 8:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:11 Especially like someone who's got that kind of champion mentality, that fucking pit bull mentality. Like, "I thought you were with me, fuck you."

Narrator 8:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:19 And then it was after the fight, I was very public about saying, "I don't think she should fight for a long time." They were talking about doing an immediate rematch, and I was like, "That's crazy." Like, they were talking about doing a rematch in four months or something like that. I was like, when you get head kicked into the shadow realm, you're supposed to take a long time off. When Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, it was a fucking picture perfect right hand who knocked, uh, that knocked Manny Pacquiao out. His coach, Freddie Roach, said, "You can't fight for a year. I don't want you doing anything for a year, for one year." Because you gotta heal up from something like that. It's, it's bad. When you get knocked unconscious, it's not just that you'll be a touch gun shy, which is possible, but also that you're more vulnerable to getting hit. And then you could ruin your chin forever. Like, if you get knocked out, there's certain fighters that used to have iron chins, like Chuck Liddell's one of the greatest examples of that. He had an iron chin. You could hit that dude with a fucking sledgehammer and he would just keep swinging at you. And then eventually it got to the point where he would get clipped and he would just go out. And it wasn't him, it was his ma- his bra- his brain was broken. It was too, it was too many times, too many shots, too many, too many knockouts, too many impacts. You gotta preserve that. You gotta be very careful with that, and you gotta take a long time off. And then there was the Amanda Nunes fight. So the Amanda Nunes fight, I was also very vocal that everybody was putting all of the attention in the promotion on Ronda making this huge comeback. And if you watch the promos for that fight, I thought they were crazy disrespectful, because the promos ... And o- obviously, look, Ronda was a fucking huge star, a much bigger star than Amanda Nunes. And that loss was a shocking upset to a lot of people that didn't understand martial arts and didn't think that Holly had a chance, didn't think anybody had a chance. She was gonna beat everybody forever. But all the promo was Ronda coming back. All of it was like, "She's coming back to take what's hers." It was Ronda in a mansion looking out... It was like the worst-

Narrator 10:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:24 ... promo set. Like, Ronda in a mansion looking-

Narrator 10:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:27 ... out the window saying, "I'm gonna come get my title." I don't know who made that, I don't know what it was, but I remember being backstage the day of the fight and there was all these agents mulling around, all these Hollywood twats. And this guy was like... I forget his exact words. They were talking. He didn't know who Ronda was fighting and he said, "Who-

Narrator 10:49 Who I am is..."

Joe Rogan 10:49 "I don't know what her name is, but whoever it is, it's her funeral." That's what he said. And I was like, "Oh my God."

Narrator 10:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:55 Like, these are the people ... Meanwhile, Amanda Nunes was the scariest person at 135, and that what I, that's what I had said before she fought Holly Holm. I mean, like, Dana and I talked about it. I said, "I think Amanda's the scariest title challenger," because she can flatline chicks with one punch.

Narrator 11:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:11 She's very different than all the other ones. She went up flatlining Chris Cyborg. It was a crazy fight. She beats the fuck outta everybody. She hits so hard, like way harder than most women. And I was like, "That's a dangerous fucking opponent." And they're making it seem like this is all about the Ronda comeback when Amanda was the champion. So Holly had beaten Ronda, Miesha Tate had beaten Holly, and then Amanda had beaten Miesha Tate.

Narrator 11:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:36 So am- Amanda was the fucking champion, but all the promotion was all about Ronda. And then-

Narrator 11:42 They were trying to do like pro wrestling, like ...

Joe Rogan 11:44 I don't know what they were doing.

Narrator 11:45 "She'll come back."

Joe Rogan 11:46 I think, you know, they were just selling the fight.

Narrator 11:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:48 They were selling it. And the best way to sell it is I guess that way.

Narrator 11:51 Who's more famous?

Joe Rogan 11:51 But it's disrespectful-

Narrator 11:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:53 ... to the champion, especially a fucking dangerous champion.

Narrator 11:57 It is.

Joe Rogan 11:57 And if she l- if the champion wins, which I thought she was going to win, it sets up ... Well, it's not good to set her up. Like, you should set her up-

Narrator 12:06 Sure.

Joe Rogan 12:06 ... like how fucking dangerous she is. Now you got a bigger star. Obviously she wound up being a bigger star and Amanda's the greatest of all time, like widely considered to be the greatest mixed martial arts female fighter in history 'cause she fucks everybody up. She's just so dangerous.Um, so, and then that fight happens, and then that lady takes Ronda out in the first round. Just beats the, the piss out of her. Just stops her standing, just, it was brutal. You know, I never had a bad thing to say about Ronda. I still don't. I understand her mentality. I mean, she's a champion-minded person. Like, she's like, "You're fucking with me or against me. It's me against the world." You know, she doesn't have a chip on her shoulder. She's got a forest.

Jeff Dye 12:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:47 She's got a whole forest on her shoulder.

Jeff Dye 12:49 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:49 You know what I mean?

Jeff Dye 12:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:50 Like, but that's why she was so good. And we're lucky she's a woman. If that lady was a man, she'd be Genghis Khan.

Jeff Dye 12:56 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:56 Okay. She'd fucking take over the world. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 12:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:58 She's an animal.

Jeff Dye 12:59 It's scary.

Joe Rogan 13:00 So, that's why she has that opinion.

Jeff Dye 13:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:02 That's just how she thinks about things, which is-

Jeff Dye 13:04 I was mad at her, just as an everyday man, because my nieces love any woman that's famous for any reason, you know. And my nieces also aren't experts about UFC, they're little girls, and they just think it's cool that a woman's a badass, you know. They like that kinda stuff. And so then when she lost to, like, you know, be on TikTok ... I mean, actually people made TikToks of it. It's not like Ronda Rousey was on TikTok, but like she was like, on Ellen being like, "I just wanted to quit, and I saw my man, and I just realized I wanna have babies." And I was like, this is not really the message, you know, if, if, if you lose to just go be a pro-wrestler or have babies. Like that's not like ... I don't know. I felt like that was a strange way for a champion to talk.

Joe Rogan 13:46 Yeah, but that's her legitimately as a human being. That's what she wanted.

Jeff Dye 13:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:50 And there's a, there comes a time-

Jeff Dye 13:51 That's good. No, that would be a fine way-

Joe Rogan 13:53 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 13:53 ... to frame it.

Joe Rogan 13:54 Well, she was being honest. She wanted to have babies.

Jeff Dye 13:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:56 She didn't wanna do it anymore. And that, there comes a time where, look, every fighter can only red line for so long, and the reality of fighting is you're red lining.

Jeff Dye 14:05 What does that mean?

Joe Rogan 14:06 Wh- you know what a red line, when the, the engine, you know, when your tachometer reaches-

Jeff Dye 14:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:10 ... like 8,000 RPMs like (imitates engine revving) .

Jeff Dye 14:13 Right, at the top.

Joe Rogan 14:13 You can only do that for so long or your engine blows. But to, to be in peak physical condition, to be able to fight in a championship fight, you essentially have to red line your body through camp. You have to get your body to a place where it's at a ra- you can't maintain fight shape.

Jeff Dye 14:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:30 It's not possible. You get to a certain part, you peak, and then the last week you kinda drop off so that you can recover, and so that Saturday night, when Saturday night rolls up and the lights go on in Madison Square Garden, you are as fucking ready as a human being can get. But you can't maintain that, and you can't-

Jeff Dye 14:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:48 ... do that forever. There's only ... And they think that, there's a theory amongst, uh, mixed martial arts commentators and experts and what have you, that it's about nine years. Nine years is all that it's possible to compete at a, at a peak level, and then you get a drop off. Some people have more longevity than others. It varies. Some people it's a much shorter reign, and you gotta kinda look at who they were when they were at the top. You can on- you can only look at them when they're at that peak. Like guys like Anderson Silva, he gets, gets kinda dismissed because later in his life the performances weren't the same. They weren't elite performances. But I say that's just human.

Jeff Dye 15:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:30 You gotta look at him when he was the champion. He was one of the most elite guys that's ever competed in the sport, period. He's one of the greatest of all time. But you can only, you gotta look at when he was in his prime.

Jeff Dye 15:39 Sure.

Joe Rogan 15:40 You know? And there's only a certain amount of time he can do that. And then when a fighter doesn't want to do that and only that anymore, you gotta get out. You gotta get out, 'cause there's some fucking 20-year-old Mike Tyson out there. There's some animal.

Jeff Dye 15:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:54 There's some dude that lives, breathes, sleeps fighting, and they, all they wanna do is land shots and take you out. They just, they, that's their whole focus in life. They don't give a fuck about relationships. They don't give a fuck about where they live. They don't f- give a fuck about anything, just winning. And that's how you become a world champion. That's how you become elite. But you can only maintain it for so long. It's not a normal way for a human being to exist. It's very, it's a very strange way to live.

Jeff Dye 16:21 Yeah. (laughs) For sure.

Joe Rogan 16:22 You know? And for her it's natural. Like, she's a woman. She's like, "I wanna have babies. I have this great man, and-"

Jeff Dye 16:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:27 ... and she's married to Travis Browne, who's also a beast, who was a elite UFC heavyweight, top 10 heavyweight. You know, she's like, "I'm done. I'm gonna make some warrior kids." I get it.

Jeff Dye 16:37 I saw it and I was like, what the hell does that mean?

Joe Rogan 16:39 Boo.

Jeff Dye 16:40 She's quitting?

Joe Rogan 16:41 She just didn't want to beat up-

Jeff Dye 16:42 You don't wanna fight anymore?

Joe Rogan 16:42 No, no, no. She-

Jeff Dye 16:43 Now my niece is rooting for Holly Holm. Good lady.

Joe Rogan 16:46 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 16:46 Holly Holm's nice.

Joe Rogan 16:47 She is nice.

Jeff Dye 16:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 16:48 That's what we like.

Joe Rogan 16:49 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 16:50 We like the winners who are nice.

Joe Rogan 16:52 I, yeah, I get it, but there's something about Ronda being Ronda that made the sport what it is.

Jeff Dye 16:59 But I root for-

Joe Rogan 17:00 That's, that's what-

Jeff Dye 17:00 ... Luke Skywalker-

Joe Rogan 17:01 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 17:01 ... not Darth Vader.

Joe Rogan 17:02 She's not Darth Vader.

Jeff Dye 17:03 Sure, Darth Vader's cooler-

Joe Rogan 17:04 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 17:05 ... and he's probably more strong, he's got the thing, you know, but you know, Luke's the good guy, and I like the good guy.

Joe Rogan 17:10 She's not-

Jeff Dye 17:11 And I root for the good guy.

Joe Rogan 17:12 She's not a bad guy. She's, you know, like look, her mother was a badass. Her mother was a ab- elite judo competitor.

Jeff Dye 17:20 Actually, I hate disagreeing with you, Joe, but she's, she went to wrestling, Ronda, and then she said all these terrible things about the wrestlers. She said terrible things about you-

Joe Rogan 17:31 But it's not, it wasn't about-

Jeff Dye 17:31 ... who I love.

Joe Rogan 17:32 ... she, she-

Jeff Dye 17:32 She-

Joe Rogan 17:32 ... doesn't say anything terrible about me.

Jeff Dye 17:33 She said you're not an expert about UFC.

Joe Rogan 17:35 That's all she said. That's als- that's not terrible. That's just an opinion.

Jeff Dye 17:38 Seems mean to me.

Joe Rogan 17:38 No, no, no. That's all ... Look, if I was a pussy, it would be mean.

Jeff Dye 17:42 (laughs) Well, I'm a pussy. I'm defending you.

Joe Rogan 17:43 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 17:43 That's what I'm doing.

Joe Rogan 17:44 If I was like, "Hey."

Jeff Dye 17:44 That's what we do, dude.

Joe Rogan 17:46 "That's my whole identity."

Jeff Dye 17:47 No, I'm just saying, I, uh, you know, she, she's kind of a grumpy, gnarly warrior, and warriors-

Joe Rogan 17:54 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 17:54 ... can be a little prickly.

Joe Rogan 17:55 She's definitely prickly.

Jeff Dye 17:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:56 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 17:56 That's all.

Joe Rogan 17:57 But that's why she was awesome. You know?

Jeff Dye 17:59 Yeah, that's what-

Joe Rogan 17:59 Just like-

Jeff Dye 17:59 ... made her great at what she did.

Joe Rogan 18:00 That's what made her great.

Jeff Dye 18:01 100%.

Joe Rogan 18:01 She broke that door wide open, and all the women that came afterwards, follow. And it's hard for women to become famous in, in MMA because it's hard for them to have the kinda spectacular results that men have. They generally don't have as much power, and unless they're like elite at judo or something like that, like she was, where they get arm bars and finish people quickly, but that's what everybody likes. Everybody likes dominance.

Jeff Dye 18:25 And I want them to be hot.

Joe Rogan 18:27 ... that helps.

Jeff Dye 18:28 That's a good one.

Joe Rogan 18:29 That helps.

Jeff Dye 18:29 But it's hard to mix those worlds.

Joe Rogan 18:30 Yeah, you get Misha-

Jeff Dye 18:31 Niche warrior.

Joe Rogan 18:32 ... her, Holly, there's only a few of them that were, like, really hot and elite.

Jeff Dye 18:36 In the old days, they weren't looking at the battle lines and then going, "Eh, I wish these warriors had more tits."

Joe Rogan 18:40 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 18:42 Like, that's what, I'm like a very conflicted person. I wanted to be badass, but also hot.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Yeah. And crazy.

Jeff Dye 18:48 It's tough to get both of them.

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Jeff Dye 20:01 (laughs) Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 20:02 Especially while they're fighting. You know? It's like, you don't really want that in your life.

Jeff Dye 20:06 No.

Joe Rogan 20:06 It's like-

Jeff Dye 20:07 No way.

Joe Rogan 20:07 You know what it's like?

Jeff Dye 20:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:08 It's like a muscle car. Like, muscle cars are great to drive, but you don't wanna take them on a road trip.

Jeff Dye 20:13 Oh, dude. Schauby took me to... So I have a great Lakers hookup, right? I li- I go to all the Lakers games. And, uh, I invited Brandon Schaub when we first became friends. I said, "You wanna come to the Lakers game with me? You'll like it. We, we, we sit, we have great seats. We'll put you in the back and we'll meet the owner, it'll be great." So that's what my only kind of flex, you know, that I can bring people to these kind of things. It's a mu- I don't have a lot to offer, but I can offer that. So he's like, "Yeah, I'll pick you up." And he comes to my house, Brandon Schaub comes to my house in like a race car. I mean, this thing is, it's got the big spoiler on the back. Also, we're both-

Joe Rogan 20:42 What was it?

Jeff Dye 20:42 ... we're both big guys. I'm 6'4", he's, I don't know how tall he is, but he's taller than me. And we're in this tiny thing-

Joe Rogan 20:50 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 20:50 ... in traffic on the 101 going to a Lakers game.

Joe Rogan 20:52 (sighs)

Jeff Dye 20:52 And we can barely talk. We're both talkers, you know? And it's like (imitates engine sputtering) the whole time.

Joe Rogan 20:59 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 20:59 And I was just sit, like a what? And halfway through the drive, I'm, as, even though we were like new friends at the time, I'm like, "What made you pick this car? You have other cars."

Joe Rogan 21:07 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 21:07 And he goes, "Well, you're like a little kid, and my son loves this car, so I just-"

Joe Rogan 21:10 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 21:10 "... I, I picked it 'cause of you." You're like a little kid. (laughs) That's hilarious. Yeah. (laughs) And he was right, 'cause when he pulled up, I was like, "Oh, this is awesome." But then I got in and I was like, "Bro, we're not built for this thing. It's tiny."

Joe Rogan 21:21 (laughs) Yeah.

Jeff Dye 21:21 But that's not a, like your analogy, like that's not a day-to-day...

Joe Rogan 21:24 No, that's not a road trip car.

Jeff Dye 21:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:26 You wanna be in a Cadillac.

Jeff Dye 21:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:28 You know? You wanna be in something that's quiet and real smooth and handles bumps well.

Jeff Dye 21:33 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 21:33 Like a person.

Jeff Dye 21:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:35 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 21:35 Someone-

Joe Rogan 21:36 Yeah. Like, you want-

Jeff Dye 21:37 Comfortable.

Joe Rogan 21:37 ... you want a one-night stand, you want a muscle car.

Jeff Dye 21:39 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 21:40 You want a long-term relationship, get a Lexus. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 21:42 And if you're going to a Lakers game, bring a goddamn SUV or something.

Narrator 21:45 (laughs) Yeah, bring something nice.

Jeff Dye 21:46 So I can reel around the traffic.

Joe Rogan 21:47 Bring something quiet with good air conditioning.

Jeff Dye 21:50 It's amazing. His thought, his heart was in the right place. And he was completely right.

Joe Rogan 21:53 What car was it? Do you know?

Jeff Dye 21:54 I don't know what it was. It was like a, I'm, I'm, I wouldn't even be able to guess.

Joe Rogan 21:57 You don't-

Jeff Dye 21:57 It was cool though.

Joe Rogan 21:57 ... you not into cars at all?

Jeff Dye 21:58 I love cars, but I like the cars I like. I've always loved big, stupid things.

Joe Rogan 22:02 Okay, like what?

Jeff Dye 22:02 Like I love like, uh, big military vehicles. Love the H1-

Joe Rogan 22:05 Have you seen his Hummer?

Jeff Dye 22:06 Yeah, love all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah. He's got a h- a real Hummer-

Jeff Dye 22:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:09 ... with like a crazy diesel turbocharged engine.

Jeff Dye 22:12 L- last time I was here and I did his podcast, he had this huge Bronco that he was like doing something where he's selling it, like enough people buy tickets for it or something like that.

Joe Rogan 22:20 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 22:21 But that truck was a beautiful truck. And I like, like, that's what I like is like big, stupid tires.

Joe Rogan 22:26 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 22:26 Anything in Mad Max, I loved. Anything the military drives. I'm always like, "Can I buy that?" They're like, "No, this is-"

Joe Rogan 22:31 Ugh.

Jeff Dye 22:32 "... it's not built for that."

Joe Rogan 22:33 You can buy a lot of things.

Jeff Dye 22:34 Those, yeah, but the, like though you gotta go to those auctions and shit.

Joe Rogan 22:37 Yeah, you just gotta know people.

Jeff Dye 22:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:39 You can get a lot of things these days.

Jeff Dye 22:41 I would love that.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Yeah. There's some crazy armored vehicles.

Jeff Dye 22:42 I've never owned anything that fits in my garage. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:45 No?

Jeff Dye 22:45 No, I have to park on the street all the time. I had to get rid of my last Jeep because I put like four six-inch tires on it.

Joe Rogan 22:50 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 22:50 And I lifted it up. And like, it has no doors and no top.

Joe Rogan 22:54 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 22:54 And, um, so it's just parked in Sherman Oaks on the street. And I'm on the road so much.

Joe Rogan 23:00 And it's just sitting there.

Jeff Dye 23:01 Just sitting there. So I come back, there'd be, you know, just like, someone would walk by with like a soda and just throw it in there, you know? Because-

Joe Rogan 23:07 Ugh.

Jeff Dye 23:07 ... you know, they don't care. They-

Joe Rogan 23:09 Then they get mad at you.

Jeff Dye 23:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:10 What, you have this.

Jeff Dye 23:11 What a douche. Yeah, and where I am it's not popular to have cool, big shit like that.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Right.

Jeff Dye 23:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Sherman Oaks, it's popular to have a Prius with a Coexist bumper sticker.

Jeff Dye 23:18 I know. It's so annoying.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Dude.

Jeff Dye 23:20 I have a Cybertruck, and uh, I, I, you can't really lift it, but since it has an air suspension-

Joe Rogan 23:26 Right.

Jeff Dye 23:27 ... you can buy pins that make the air suspension one inch larger than whatever it's adjusting to. 'Cause if you put a lift on it, the, the, it's gonna screw it all up. So anyways, long story short. I have a lifted Cybertruck with big, stupid tires on it, and I drive into The Comedy Store parking lot, and I'm like, "This really isn't helping my reputation right now."

Joe Rogan 23:48 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 23:48 Every time I roll in, everyone's like, "What is that?"

Joe Rogan 23:51 It used to be that if you had a Tesla, you were, you were signaling that you were a left-wing person.

Jeff Dye 23:56 100%.

Joe Rogan 23:56 You know, you're environmentally conscious, worried about carbon.

Jeff Dye 24:00 Yeah. That, that was the, one of the more crazy shifts. And we could come up with a thousand of these, but like EVs used to be considered like this great thing you're doing.

Joe Rogan 24:10 Well, they still are, you know-

Jeff Dye 24:11 Unless it's a Cybertruck.

Joe Rogan 24:12 Unless it's a Tesla, 'cause then you support Trump.

Jeff Dye 24:14 I get flipped off every day...

Joe Rogan 24:15 Really?

Jeff Dye 24:16 ... in my Cybertruck. Yeah, every day.

Joe Rogan 24:18 There's a video of this lady in New Jersey, she gets out of her Cybertruck. Just gets out, she was a passenger. And this lady who's walking her dog goes, "How's it feel to be racist?" (laughs) And she's like-

Jeff Dye 24:28 ... for driving a car.

Joe Rogan 24:28 ... "What are you-" She's like, "What are you talking about?" She got a ride. She wasn't even driving.

Jeff Dye 24:30 Oh, it wasn't even hers.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Someone dropped her off. She's like, "What are you talking about?" "Yeah, you're a racist. You're in a Cybertruck. You're a racist." And she's like, "What the fuck is wrong with you? You're, you're crazy."

Jeff Dye 24:40 It blows my mind.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Well, people are always looking for every possible opportunity to be a shithead. And if they can be a shithead, if they're justified in being a shithead because they disagree with you, they would be the meanest motherfuckers-

Jeff Dye 24:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:55 ... just to be a shithead. And that activity happens primarily on the left, primarily. Like, you don't see that from the right.

Jeff Dye 25:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Like, if, if someone pulls up in a Prius with a Coexist bumper sticker, you don't see a bunch of guys going, "Oh, you fucking pussy."

Jeff Dye 25:13 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 25:13 "What are you, what are you supporting fucking Iraq? What, you fucking-"

Jeff Dye 25:16 "Get out of our town."

Joe Rogan 25:17 "... supporting ISIS with your fucking-"

Jeff Dye 25:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:19 "... bullshit fucking bumper sticker on your-"

Jeff Dye 25:21 Go back to Portland.

Joe Rogan 25:21 "... shitbag car?"

Jeff Dye 25:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:23 "How's it feel to be an ISIS supporter?" You don't get that.

Jeff Dye 25:26 Ever.

Joe Rogan 25:26 But you get that from the left, and I don't... I think it's the Trump thing. I think Trump was such a figure, is such a figure of, like, an attack vector that they look at him like, "Ehh."

Jeff Dye 25:38 It's fun for them.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Yeah, it's fun.

Jeff Dye 25:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:40 They have an enemy.

Jeff Dye 25:40 It occupies their brain at all times.

Joe Rogan 25:43 They have an enemy.

Jeff Dye 25:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:44 Yeah, like, Jimmy Kimmel's wife was doing some podcast recently, Jimmy and the wife, and the wife was saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives 'cause they voted for Trump. 'Cause she says, like, "If you vote for Trump, you're voting against my-"

Jeff Dye 25:56 She stopped talking to them.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Yeah. "You're voting against my husband and my family." Like, "What?"

Jeff Dye 25:59 "What are you talking about?" Well, I think that that's the big psyop. They've made everything racial.

Joe Rogan 26:04 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 26:05 Right? Everything is racial. And so the last thing you wanna be called is a racist, right? So, when you make it as simple as race, like just racial, like just that blanketly simple, then anything another color does, you'd be considered r- So you'd go, "Oh, well, I don't really believe," or, "I think Muslims are blank." Whatever that sentence is, they go, "Racist." And you go, well, there's surely some things we could criticize about, uh, maybe North Korea. They go, "Oh, you're racist." So it's like, it's... 'Cause it's so simple and it's so vague, and people love to keep vague things-

Joe Rogan 26:37 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 26:37 ... because then they can make their... I saw a comedian, I won't say her name because I can't pronounce it, but it's... (laughs) That's why I won't say it, not 'cause I'm holding back names. Uh, Mary Lynn Rajskub, or Rajskub, or whatever her name is.

Joe Rogan 26:48 Oh, I know Mary Lynn.

Jeff Dye 26:49 Yeah, she used to-

Joe Rogan 26:50 Very well.

Jeff Dye 26:50 ... be really nice to me, and then, uh-

Joe Rogan 26:51 She used to be?

Jeff Dye 26:52 Yeah, she, she got caught talking shit about me, and I DMed her immediately. And then she was like, "Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh." And, uh, you know, I think she's a nice person. Uh-

Joe Rogan 27:01 She's a very nice person.

Jeff Dye 27:02 Yeah, she's nice. And, um-

Joe Rogan 27:04 People get caught up in that shit, man.

Jeff Dye 27:06 I saw her do a bit the other night, uh, in the lab, where she was like, the, the, she was like, "I'm texting with this guy, and he said," uh, she said, "How are you?" And he said, uh, "Oh, I'm just really sa- sad today about Charlie," about Charlie Kirk. And ch- and then she goes, "And my hand was like, my phone was on fire." I was like, "Ah, ah." Like, "What?" And then the crowd laughed at her defense. Like, the, the lab at the Improv thought this was a hilarious premise. And then she said, um, she was like, "Uh, what part of his ideas did you find so, uh, uh, gripping? What, was it his racist..." And she just started launching into, like, about how, like, the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about Charlie Kirk's assassination was the biggest turnoff to her that she wrote, like, a whole bit about it.

Joe Rogan 27:54 Hmm.

Jeff Dye 27:55 And I was just, in my mind, I was like, "I can't believe that this is her take, I can't believe it's a take that the crowd is on board with, and I can't believe I'm in this town, uh, anymore." Like, I, it was like a, a moment for me where I was like, "What? How, am I, am I insane?"

Joe Rogan 28:16 No.

Jeff Dye 28:16 Like, that's what makes me... Those are the moments where you go, "I think I'm the crazy person." There's a room full of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing, and hence deserves being publicly assassinated. And if you feel sad about it, you're gross to her.

Joe Rogan 28:33 And she wants to throw her phone away.

Jeff Dye 28:34 And she wants to go, "Ah." And that's hilarious to everyone-

Joe Rogan 28:37 Wow.

Jeff Dye 28:38 ... because the simple vagueness of race, you know? Like, it's like this, this, this constant obsession with, you know, you, you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York, or you must be a racist, or Islam pho... They've just made it so vague that it's very easy to always label or, or put thing in, things in a thing.

Joe Rogan 28:59 Well, there's, there's certainly cult-like thinking involved in both the right and the left.

Jeff Dye 29:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:05 There, there's... That's a, it's a real problem with people that identify with any political ideology, whether they're c- identifies as being a conservative or identifies as being a liberal. It's a real problem, because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports. And generally, th- that's never a good thing-

Jeff Dye 29:27 No.

Joe Rogan 29:27 ... to just agree with, like, a swath of-

Jeff Dye 29:30 Ever.

Joe Rogan 29:30 ... predetermined ideas.

Jeff Dye 29:32 Ever.

Joe Rogan 29:32 Yeah. And one is that public assassinations are okay, and, and that they're not sad. They're sad-

Jeff Dye 29:40 It's sad.

Joe Rogan 29:40 ... no matter who it is.

Jeff Dye 29:41 And I would say, even if Charlie Kirk was a terrible person, even if he was, which he was not-

Joe Rogan 29:47 He was not.

Jeff Dye 29:47 I knew him, and he was not. Uh, but even if he was, let's say they're right about all those things. Wh... You're happy that he got shot?

Joe Rogan 29:55 No, the v- the correct way to handle someone who has bad ideas is to confront them with better ideas. It's not a 30-06 round to the neck-

Jeff Dye 30:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:05 ... publicly, where people are cheering. That's crazy.

Jeff Dye 30:08 And they kept it vague. They keep it vague. That's how it always works.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 30:12 It's like, well, I go, "Well, why don't, why are you s- why are you posting on, um, social media that you, that you're happy about i- or that you're not sad about it? Just tell me simply why, why you think that." And they go, "Well, because his ideas were dangerous." Super vague.... didn't say the ideas, didn't say how they're dangerous or why they're dangerous. It's always vague.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Well, there's also a problem with clips. When you take soundbites, like very short clips out of context of what someone's saying, and then you highlight that one particular sentence and the way they said that sentence, you could frame someone in a very different way than-

Jeff Dye 30:47 Yep.

Joe Rogan 30:47 ... who they really are. And I think there was some problems with some of the things that Charlie said, the way he said them, and i- in the fact that you could take it as a clip. And one of 'em was the idea of DEI pilots.

Jeff Dye 30:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:59 Like the idea of any lowering of standards of anyone in a really important job like a pilot because a person is blank, fill in the blank, because they're a lesbian, or because they're gay, or because they're white, or because they're Chinese, or because they're Black, or whatever it is. If you're lowering standards because you want more people of one thing, well, you've just made the skies a little more dangerous.

Jeff Dye 31:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:24 You've made a, a very dangerous thing, which is flying, a little more dangerous. So his statement was, because they're doing this and they're trying to get... They're using DEI to hire people, and when I get on a plane and I see a Black pilot, I hope that they're qualified.

Jeff Dye 31:39 Or he wonders.

Joe Rogan 31:40 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 31:40 He said, "I don't want... I hate that when I see a Black pilot, my mind thinks, 'I wonder if they were part of a DEI hiring'."

Joe Rogan 31:48 Right.

Jeff Dye 31:48 Correct.

Joe Rogan 31:49 Right. That's... It's a problem in the way he said it.

Jeff Dye 31:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:53 Instead of saying that that way, because what... One of the things that I pointed out is that what DEI, especially in regards to education, the people that it discriminates the most against, like people say it's a white supremacists idea to, uh, to be against DEI. The people that DEI discriminates the most against in education is Asians, because Asians fucking kill it in universities. They kill it.

Jeff Dye 32:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 So much so that there was a giant lawsuit at Harvard because they were making their admission standards more difficult for Asian people than they were for white people, for Black people, for everybody else. They made Asians more difficult because if they didn't, half of their fucking population-

Jeff Dye 32:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:36 ... in their classes would be Asian because they work harder.

Jeff Dye 32:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:40 It's a cultural thing. You know, I grew up in Taekwondo, and I grew up around a lot of Koreans. And man, you haven't seen work ethic until you've seen first generation Koreans who come over to America and, you know, they have those tiger moms and tiger dads. That's a real thing, dude.

Jeff Dye 32:59 That's good.

Joe Rogan 32:59 That is a fuck... I guess-

Jeff Dye 33:01 Well, I mean, for these sort of subjects.

Joe Rogan 33:03 It's good for getting things done.

Jeff Dye 33:05 Not great for trauma.

Joe Rogan 33:06 It's not great for your head.

Jeff Dye 33:06 And not great for those things.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Yeah, it's not-

Jeff Dye 33:08 But if we're talking about the workforce-

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 33:10 ... or symphony or-

Joe Rogan 33:11 If we're... If it's just a meritocracy-

Jeff Dye 33:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:13 If it's just a meritocracy, it's like who is the best student, who is the best this, who's the best that. Yeah, it's good for that. You know, but it's like... It's the same thing. It's like trying to be a champion. Like you can only red line for so long before you go fucking crazy.

Jeff Dye 33:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:26 And the, the lack of balance between pleasure and, and struggle and discipline and fun. You have to balance if you wanna have a good life. And ultimately, you're supposed to be enjoying your life. I don't think you could truly enjoy your life without some measure of discipline. I think discipline is important. It's the reason why you can enjoy the relaxing moments 'cause you earn them. You have to earn them. And I, but I do think you should have them too.

Jeff Dye 33:52 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:52 And when I was around a, a lot of Korean guys, like the, my friend Jung Sik, I've talked about him before, but he was a national champion. When we were kids, he was not as talented as other people. He wasn't as fast. He wasn't, he didn't have any unusual genetic gifts that some people had, but that motherfucker worked so hard. He was in residency, okay? So he was in medical school while he was on the national team. So he would go to school all day, and for workouts sometimes, he would take all his books, put them in his backpack, and run upstairs at, at the school. Just run upstairs at the university.

Jeff Dye 34:31 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 34:31 And that's how he'd get his, some of his cardio in. And then he would come to the gym and he would be... You know, he'd come to the gym for nighttime training, we'd train at like 6:00 at night, 7:00 at night, and he would be just drained. But he would fucking ah!

Jeff Dye 34:43 Yeah, I love it.

Joe Rogan 34:44 Just dig in and get to it, man, and it was just... It's that mentality is why Asians do so well in school.

Jeff Dye 34:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:52 It's like this pushing from their parents, the high pressure. And again, I don't think it's so good for you psychologically. I don't do that with my kids.

Jeff Dye 34:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:59 My kids do very well in school, but they do very well in school because of the example that I and my wife set of be a nice person, work really hard, have discipline, do the stuff you're supposed to do, don't fuck off. You know, get, get the things done that you're supposed to do. The, but would they be able to compete with some kid who just came over here from China? I don't know, you know.

Jeff Dye 35:20 Which is why other countries like America so much.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Right.

Jeff Dye 35:21 It's because they realize, "Oh, if I work as hard as I can," maybe in wherever they live-

Joe Rogan 35:26 Yes.

Jeff Dye 35:26 ... you know, India or some of these other places, it's not a promise that they'll succeed, and but they love a capitalistic America where like-

Joe Rogan 35:33 Right.

Jeff Dye 35:33 ... yeah, if I put in the work and my kids put in the work and I force my kids to put in the work, it'll work.

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Jeff Dye 37:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:05 W-Asians are part of diversity.

Jeff Dye 37:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:07 They're a small percentage of the population in America, but they're fucking killing it. So they try to hold them back.

Jeff Dye 37:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:12 'Cause it's bullshit.

Jeff Dye 37:13 But that's a problem.

Joe Rogan 37:14 Because in their mind, Asians don't complain as much. They're- they're- they get to work more. They're not the ones that are out there organizing-

Jeff Dye 37:21 Making signs.

Joe Rogan 37:21 ... and making signs. They're not doing that. They're fucking working.

Jeff Dye 37:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:24 They don't have time to be going to these rallies-

Jeff Dye 37:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:26 ... and cheering and chanting. They fucking get to work.

Jeff Dye 37:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:29 So because of that, they're not as represented when it comes to, like, grievances.

Jeff Dye 37:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:33 So they, they... You know, you can get away with being racist against them.

Jeff Dye 37:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:37 And you can get away with discriminating against them in higher education universities-

Jeff Dye 37:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:42 ... like Harvard.

Jeff Dye 37:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:43 Which is just crazy, because it shows you're lying. You're- you're not really caring about minorities. You're caring about very specific minorities, because they give you social clout to represent and to, to fight for them. Like, if you're fighting for Black people, if you're fighting for trans people, thou- those are the people that are really noisy-

Jeff Dye 38:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:02 ... and really loud. And if you're on their side-

Jeff Dye 38:03 And you look good if you defend them.

Joe Rogan 38:04 ... you're virtuous.

Jeff Dye 38:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:05 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 38:06 Exactly. That- that-

Joe Rogan 38:06 'Cause that's what it is. It's performative.

Jeff Dye 38:08 I think about it every week almost. It sounds strange, but, like, it can... These kind of things consume me. I don't have a wife and kids, you know? Like, I think-

Joe Rogan 38:15 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 38:15 ... about these things all day.

Joe Rogan 38:16 You got time.

Jeff Dye 38:16 But, like, I think about it with, um... Like, in our, in our business, you know? Like, there are so many women who complain, like, "Oh, no girls on the lineup," or, "Only two girls on the line-" And I'm like, "You're- there's less of you. That's all it is." In fact, the fact that there's less of you in our industry is why you're able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts. So yes, it can feel like a boys' club, 'cause it is. There's plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian, like putting up with these comedy club owners, or working the road, or, like... It is... There's-

Joe Rogan 38:49 Fans being creepy with you.

Jeff Dye 38:50 Creepy fans.

Joe Rogan 38:51 They're- they're different. Like-

Jeff Dye 38:52 100%.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 38:53 And I'm sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through. But if they just don't understand the numbers, like there's, there's girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at The Improv and The Laugh Factory and The Comedy Store who have been doing it a few years. And then there's guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who as, you know, subjectively are very, very funny, uh, and fun- uh, subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny. And they've- they can't get any spots at these places because th- we need more women comics, alleg- I mean-

Joe Rogan 39:26 Well, they've-

Jeff Dye 39:26 ... we need more diverse, uh, lineups or whatever.

Joe Rogan 39:28 They've literally said that. "We have too many-"

Jeff Dye 39:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:30 "... white male comics."

Jeff Dye 39:31 I've heard it my whole career.

Joe Rogan 39:32 It's crazy.

Jeff Dye 39:33 Yeah. One time-

Joe Rogan 39:34 It's too crazy to even say.

Jeff Dye 39:35 ... I was in Boston, and, uh, there was this long line for this festival and all this thing, a little bit... Not, uh... It was to submit, like to do audition. They were- it was during Last Comic Standing times, so they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, "Look how many people are here to try out for our festival," or whatever. And, um, someone came out and goes, "Listen, if you're a straight white guy, you better be real different." And all of us just ki-... 'Cause Boston, we're all-

Joe Rogan 40:00 Oh.

Jeff Dye 40:00 ... straight white guys. And I just remember being like, "Well, that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit." Like, what d- like, what does that imply? I don't know. I only know about my circumstances.

Joe Rogan 40:08 It's so stupid.

Jeff Dye 40:08 I can't have- I can't... One time my agent said this to me. He, he was talking, bragging about one of his clients, and he was like, "Jeff, listen man, like, you know, I got this one client. He's handsome. He's, uh, his parents are deaf. You know, he's, uh, he's Black. He's got all these great things that make him very indus- interesting for the industry. I think you're gonna have to, like, reinvent yourself or something." I was like, "I can't make things up." Like, I don't know what to tell you.

Joe Rogan 40:33 But that's ju-

Jeff Dye 40:34 I'm a white guy.

Joe Rogan 40:34 Listen, it's just Hollywood-

Jeff Dye 40:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:36 ... and Hollywood's influence with the long tentacles of the octopus. But we don't do that in Texas. Like in-

Jeff Dye 40:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:43 ... in the Mothership, it's a meritocracy. And because it's a meritocracy, it's very diverse.

Jeff Dye 40:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:48 You got a lot of women on the lineup. You got a lot of all kinds of people, a lot of gay people. And the one thing that people keep saying about the, the comedy Mothership is, "Oh, it's right-wing comedy club." The vast majority of comics at my club are left wing, the vast majority.

Jeff Dye 41:03 Yeah. No, I c- I can-

Joe Rogan 41:04 They're artists.

Jeff Dye 41:04 ... personally vouch for that. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 They're artists.

Jeff Dye 41:06 But they're reasonable lefties.

Joe Rogan 41:08 Yeah, they're kind people.

Jeff Dye 41:09 Yeah. Who can sit in a room with a comic who doesn't agree with their politics and still just be human.

Joe Rogan 41:15 That's-

Jeff Dye 41:15 Like, that's a great-

Joe Rogan 41:16 We- we should all aspire to that.

Jeff Dye 41:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:18 And that's what we aspire to at that club. Like, we don't tolerate any bullshit ideologically, one side or the other. It's not supposed to be about that. It's supposed to be about the art form. And, you know, there's... Shit, a lot of my fucking friends are, like, far left. I don't care. Are you nice? Are you cool?

Jeff Dye 41:35 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 41:35 Do you have interesting thoughts? Can we have conversations? I'm down with that. But there's this propensity, this thing that people do where they just decide you're- you have a different ideology than me, so you're the enemy. And I think that is one of the stupidest things you could do as a human being. It's weak. It's- it's simple. It's- you're- you're doing something that's just too convenient, and- and you're doing it because you know it'll be supported by a bunch of other fucking morons, 'cause we're in a TikTok generation where most people don't have nuanced perspectives on things.

Jeff Dye 42:06 Yeah. W- like, I am a Christian, right? I've been a Christian since I was in my young 20s. I talk about it in my act. I talk about it in my life. And guess what? I have never once crashed out because of my Seattle comedian friends going on stage and calling Christians idiots or racists or fools or dummies. I've never once gone, "I can't share a green room with someone who would espouse that type of hatred towards my faith." Right? Never once. I've heard every joke about straight white males. I've heard every... And I'm nice, and I can get laughs, and I'm pleasant to be around in these comedy clubs.

Joe Rogan 42:44 But that's why you're-

Jeff Dye 42:45 And-

Joe Rogan 42:45 ... doing well.

Jeff Dye 42:46 Right, and I'm now, and- and I am. I-

Joe Rogan 42:48 But you're doing well because you became undeniable.

Jeff Dye 42:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:50 And that's the real meritocracy aspect of comedy is that if you kill, if the audience laughs and people keep coming to see you-... you have an audience.

Jeff Dye 42:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:59 And the one thing that drives a lot of people crazy is they've d-... "I've done all the right things and no one comes to see me."

Jeff Dye 43:05 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Because you forgot the one thing.

Jeff Dye 43:07 You might have been doing the wrong-

Joe Rogan 43:08 You forgot the one thing.

Jeff Dye 43:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:09 Be funny.

Jeff Dye 43:10 That's it.

Joe Rogan 43:10 You fell into all the easy stuff.

Jeff Dye 43:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:12 All the easy stuff is align yourself with the group-

Jeff Dye 43:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:15 ... all the group think, all the fucking... Chant all the right stuff, say all the right things, say things that don't even make sense.

Jeff Dye 43:21 Right. But-

Joe Rogan 43:22 So that you appear-

Jeff Dye 43:23 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:23 Well, that's what I'm saying is that, like, when the second-

Jeff Dye 43:25 That's the Marc Maron strategy.

Joe Rogan 43:26 ... I got past at The Comedy Store, multiple comics went to the, to the booker and was like, "He shouldn't be here. Dude, he does jokes about gay people."

Narrator 43:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:36 "And he does jokes about trans..." He goes, "Yeah, yeah, I do. Guess what? And they kill and I get laughs." And I'm... But again, I'm... You could still come up to me and talk to me and, like, I'm, I'm not... I, I like everybody. I like trans people. I have plenty of gay friends. I, I, I, you know... You might have jokes about straight people too, though.

Jeff Dye 43:55 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 43:55 And you are one of them.

Jeff Dye 43:56 That's the thing. It's also-

Joe Rogan 43:57 Yeah, it's all-

Jeff Dye 43:57 ... fun to be naughty, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 43:58 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 43:58 Yeah, I love women, but I trash them pretty hard in my act, you know? And so I... The only reason I was bringing all that up is that, like, I feel like I've never once gone, "I can't talk to someone because of their standup comedy." I'm not gonna go-

Joe Rogan 44:12 Mm-mm.

Jeff Dye 44:12 ... to the Improv and go, "Mary Lynn Rajskub shouldn't be allowed here because what she said about Charlie Kirk, and I was offended." Uh-

Joe Rogan 44:19 I bet if you had a conversation with her about it-

Jeff Dye 44:21 I guarantee-

Joe Rogan 44:21 ... an actual conversation, it would be very reasonable.

Jeff Dye 44:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:24 You know?

Jeff Dye 44:24 Because people are people, and we should be able to share these spaces with these people no matter what we think. I'm not so far right or so far Christian that I go, "I can't be in the same room." That's what cult people think.

Joe Rogan 44:35 Also, if you had a conversation with her and confronted her with the reality of what that guy had said-

Jeff Dye 44:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:40 ... and some of the conversations that he had with both trans people, people of color, all, all kinds...

Jeff Dye 44:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:46 He was a very kind person.

Jeff Dye 44:47 100%.

Joe Rogan 44:48 The problem is, you don't look kind when there's clips, and the clips show you-

Jeff Dye 44:52 Which-

Joe Rogan 44:52 ... saying something-

Jeff Dye 44:53 Aren't you afraid of that?

Joe Rogan 44:54 Yeah. Oh, yeah. And you... Listen, I'm kind of a little bit inoculated against that because I have so many hours of me talking.

Jeff Dye 45:04 So did he. (coughs)

Joe Rogan 45:06 Yeah, but in a different way, where people are listening to me having these three-hour conversations. It's like, it's kinda hard to label me to anybody who's paying attention. And it's just the... It's also the, the benefit of having the biggest platform in the world.

Jeff Dye 45:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:20 Like, it's like, there's enough people that have seen so many shows that, like, "I know who that guy is."

Jeff Dye 45:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:26 "That's not who that guy is." It's-

Jeff Dye 45:28 I think you're giving them a lot of, uh, grace, because-

Joe Rogan 45:32 You have to.

Jeff Dye 45:32 I... 'Cause, like, I... People are just going, "Aren't you afraid of AI?" No, not afraid of AI. What I'm afraid of is clips, short context things. Even recently, I did Howie Mandel's podcast, and I, uh, got asked for the millionth time about the Marc Maron thing. And, and I was like, "What? Dude, the, the good part of that Marc Maron story is that we buried it," I, I think. Who knows? It'll rear its head again, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 45:54 Not with that guy, there's no burying anything with that guy.

Jeff Dye 45:56 Oh, I know, but, like, I was like, "How about that story? Tell that story, Howie, that we shook hands-

Joe Rogan 46:00 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 46:00 ... at The Comedy Store and were able to share a stage, and sh-... Not a stage, but share the, the... A room full of stages." And, um, it just... Howie's... Howie Mandel's team just posted the thing, so, you know, all the comments are like, "Jeff Daw, I can't stop talking about Marc Maron again."

Joe Rogan 46:16 Hey.

Jeff Dye 46:16 And, like, that's what I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk's guilty of... Or not guilty of it, but a victim of it. Um, this, this short real thing that is out of context is not a three-hour conversation. No one's listening to Trump in long form. No one listened to Charlie Kirk in long form. The people that were informed did.

Joe Rogan 46:34 Right.

Jeff Dye 46:34 But I'm saying the, the, the everyday person is kind of just kind of collecting these excerpts-

Joe Rogan 46:40 Right.

Jeff Dye 46:40 ... and then forming a group think about those excerpts. And the group think becomes their reality.

Joe Rogan 46:47 That's very true. It's very true.

Jeff Dye 46:48 And I'm afraid of that for you.

Joe Rogan 46:49 Yeah, that... There's pr-... That's true in some ways, but it's also benefits you in some ways too. It's like there's good and bad. Like, there's little things that you'll say that are funny that make it into clips. And that's good too. It's like the thing... Like, I was tr-... Talking to Tony about this, 'cause we were talking about people that complain about his show and talk shit about his show. I go, "Dude, they work for you. They don't realize it, but they work for you." They're the publicity arm-

Jeff Dye 47:15 Sure.

Joe Rogan 47:15 ... the negative publicity arm for the Kill Tony Show. Do... Don't w-worry about it and don't care.

Jeff Dye 47:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:20 You can't, you know-

Jeff Dye 47:22 Write a book on that.

Joe Rogan 47:23 It's-

Jeff Dye 47:23 Teach me how to not care.

Joe Rogan 47:25 You just gotta get to a point where you don't have to care anymore. Like, it's not gonna affect you. You know what I mean?

Jeff Dye 47:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:31 Like, but that's... If you... But you... If you're in that position, where I'm in that kind of, sort of... You're not totally ever in that position, but you're much more in that position than the average person. It's your duty to not care. It's your duty to set an example and to say, "Look, you're supposed to be..." When you get to the top, you're not supposed to be mean and, like-

Jeff Dye 47:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:50 ... defend it and push everybody down. You're supposed to lift everybody up-

Jeff Dye 47:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:53 ... and be what you would hope the guy at the top would be. Be supportive, try to help other people's careers-

Jeff Dye 48:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:00 ... try to promote them, tell everybody how cool they are, tell everybody how funny they are, tell everybody good things that you know. Instead of complaining all the time about, about everything, find cool shit and inform people about it. Tell people cool shit that you've seen, cool restaurants you've been to, cool music you've listened to, cool people you met. Do that.

Jeff Dye 48:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:18 That's what I try to do. And that, that's my... I... That is my obligation, I think, as... In having the top podcast. You have to set an example that's beneficial for not just me, but for everybody.

Jeff Dye 48:33 Sure.

Joe Rogan 48:33 Yeah, that's...

Narrator 48:34 You're good at that.

Joe Rogan 48:34 And don't care. And don't care as much.

Jeff Dye 48:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Don't care as much about haters. If... You're, you're gonna have haters.

Jeff Dye 48:39 I know.

Joe Rogan 48:39 The idea that you're not gonna have people that hate you is crazy. Fucking... You could get, like, the gr-... One of the things that I know from MMA, the greatest fighters, the best guys in their prime, there's gonna be guys coming up that say he ain't shit, I'll fuck him up, I'll take him out in one round. It's alw-... There's always that.

Jeff Dye 48:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:57 He's got no defense, he's got no chin, he's got no heart, he's only good when he's winning. As soon as it, it gets turned on him, he's gonna fold. There's always-

Jeff Dye 49:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:05 ... someone talking. And if you live your life constantly responding to those people-

Jeff Dye 49:09 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:10 It's a- it's a waste of that 100.

Jeff Dye 49:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:13 Right, that 100 units of att- attention focus that you have. You gotta protect that.

Jeff Dye 49:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:19 You gotta guard that 100 units, man. Don't let anybody steal your units with a comment on YouTube.

Jeff Dye 49:25 It's ... And it's never in real life for me.

Joe Rogan 49:28 Right.

Jeff Dye 49:28 It's never in real life.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Well, that's the problem, people like-

Jeff Dye 49:30 I have to open this shit.

Joe Rogan 49:32 Yeah. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 49:32 Before I spiral out. Even in my town of Los Angeles, you know, people go, "Why you have this-"

Joe Rogan 49:37 Oh.

Jeff Dye 49:38 "... fucking dump." And then I, uh, and then I, I'm walking around in Sherman Oaks, I've got my coffee, I'm seeing dogs, I'm seeing hot chicks, I mean, my barista's like, "Hey, what's up, Jeff?" Like I've ... Friends with ev-

Joe Rogan 49:48 Beautiful weather.

Jeff Dye 49:49 Yeah, wherever I go, like, 'cause I go to the same spots, and I never ... I talk to everyone, so, like, I've accumulated all these people who, who go, "Oh, we know that community's the best," or whatever. Like, in my little community, but then I turn on my phone, you know.

Joe Rogan 50:00 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 50:00 "You seen this Obamababadomi guy? He's a, he's a Muslim."

Joe Rogan 50:03 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 50:03 "He's gonna ruin New York." And then I start going, "Yeah, yeah, what the hell's going on with this?"

Joe Rogan 50:08 I think New York is due for a little socialist wake-up call. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 50:12 Oh, yeah, they'll, they'll wake up.

Joe Rogan 50:13 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 50:13 These things balance.

Joe Rogan 50:14 It's gonna be ... They're gonna have 5,000 police officers have threatened to resign.

Jeff Dye 50:19 Don't you think New York kind of deserves it?

Joe Rogan 50:21 Is that true? Is that true? Find out if that number's true, 'cause here's the problem with those kind of things. It's like right-wing people post stuff like that, and you're like-

Jeff Dye 50:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:27 ... "Is that real?" You know? Are they really gonna defund the police? Are they really gonna, you know, have struggle sessions?

Jeff Dye 50:33 I am buying a house here.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Are you? In Texas?

Jeff Dye 50:36 Yeah, yep.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Yeehaw.

Jeff Dye 50:37 Yeah, like about, uh, 30, 40 minutes from here.

Joe Rogan 50:40 Nice.

Jeff Dye 50:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:40 You already locked on it?

Jeff Dye 50:41 No, but I'm shopping for houses on Wednesday, or tomorrow.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Oh.

Jeff Dye 50:44 Not Wednesday, tomorrow.

Joe Rogan 50:45 Okay.

Jeff Dye 50:45 And then, uh-

Joe Rogan 50:45 I got a good lady if you need s- if you need one. She's the best.

Jeff Dye 50:48 I have a chick who's pretty good.

Joe Rogan 50:50 Okay.

Jeff Dye 50:50 She's like the number one in Arizona. She's ...

Joe Rogan 50:52 Arizona's not Texas.

Jeff Dye 50:53 I know, but she has all these contacts.

Joe Rogan 50:56 Ah.

Jeff Dye 50:56 Also, I just know her.

Joe Rogan 50:56 Okay.

Jeff Dye 50:57 So that helps.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Okay.

Jeff Dye 50:57 I'm traveling abroad.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Well, it's good to be loyal.

Jeff Dye 50:59 Yeah. And, um, she found a bunch of good stuff, uh, yeah, about 40 minutes from here.

Joe Rogan 51:04 Well, that's good too, 40 minutes from here o- out in like Dripping Springs area, it's quiet.

Jeff Dye 51:08 That's what I want. I want quiet.

Joe Rogan 51:09 You go out at night, you hear ... (howls)

Jeff Dye 51:12 (laughs) I wanna go to a lake.

Joe Rogan 51:13 (continues howling)

Jeff Dye 51:14 You know, be able to like ...

Joe Rogan 51:15 Yes.

Jeff Dye 51:15 I'm kind of in this kind of LA thing.

Joe Rogan 51:18 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 51:18 And this ... Um, I could be guilty of, of being a victim of like what I'm absorbing in my algorithm, but like, Gavin Newsom scares the shit out of me, and I, I am, I'm ... I don't wanna be a part of it.

Joe Rogan 51:33 Yeah. He wants to run the whole country too.

Jeff Dye 51:36 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 51:37 Pretty, pretty wild. And by the way-

Jeff Dye 51:38 Those fires were quite a wake-up call for e- even if, you know, whatever you believe about the fires, the way it was dealt with was pretty scary.

Joe Rogan 51:45 It was not competent, that's for sure.

Jeff Dye 51:48 Even the aftermath-

Joe Rogan 51:48 Yeah, and the-

Jeff Dye 51:49 ... was not competent.

Joe Rogan 51:50 ... the, the conversations about talking to different developers about doing stuff with the land and different speculators-

Jeff Dye 51:58 That's what I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 51:59 Like, what are you ... What?

Jeff Dye 52:00 Well, we'll make a smart town. You're like, "That's kind of what the conspiracy people-

Joe Rogan 52:02 He's like-

Jeff Dye 52:02 ... were saying before this stuff happened."

Joe Rogan 52:04 See when he's doing a little dance-

Jeff Dye 52:05 I know.

Joe Rogan 52:05 ... in front of burnt houses?

Jeff Dye 52:07 I know.

Joe Rogan 52:07 Like, that is ... Are you a sociopath?

Jeff Dye 52:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:10 'Cause that's how sociopaths behave. They're not like d- totally broken up by the fact that a giant chunk of your city burnt to the ground. Did 5,000 peace people resign? I don't think they say. They threatened to resign.

Narrator 52:22 No, I just, uh-

Joe Rogan 52:22 There's no credible evidence that 5,000 peace officers resigned. Th- okay, why don't you say, "Did they threaten to resign?"

Narrator 52:28 I did when I t- typed it in Google, and I got the same answers.

Joe Rogan 52:30 Oh, okay.

Narrator 52:31 So ...

Joe Rogan 52:32 Um, In Perplexity, it says, "Did 5,000 people resign? No. What actually happened, official data and statements from NYPD representatives confirm there has been no mass walkout, while police union leaders and some critics have warned of potential wave of resignations or feared attrition." See, that was the thing. Social media posts alleging 5,000 officer ... I didn't see any that said resign. I said thr- I saw something that said are threatening to resign. Uh, go back-

Narrator 52:57 All right, yeah, yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 52:57 ... to where I was reading. Um, uh, once have been debunked as rumors or satire.

Jeff Dye 53:03 Mm.

Joe Rogan 53:04 NYPD has about thirty thou- 33,745 uniform officers as of late 2025, with staffing down only slightly from the previous year. So it's like maybe it's one of those things where someone talked to some people and they said, "I know a lot of guys."

Jeff Dye 53:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:21 "A lot of guys are threatening to resign."

Jeff Dye 53:23 Well, I mean, that's a serious thing to talk about anyways, whether it's true or not on the numbers. Like, it's not a fun time to be a police officer. For the last like, like m- uh, pre-Black Lives Matter, I knew- I've- I k- I know a lot of cops just in li- my life. I used to perform once a year for their like Christmas thing at the LAPD. Great g- audience members, you wanna talk about good audience members.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 53:44 Police, military-

Joe Rogan 53:45 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 53:45 ... nurses, anyone who deals with real life-

Joe Rogan 53:47 Right.

Jeff Dye 53:48 ... is a very good audience members. Um-

Joe Rogan 53:49 They can take a joke.

Jeff Dye 53:50 Yeah, oh great at taking jokes, and they need to see the humor in life, you know. Like, uh, they're like they're looking for a clown to laugh at because they-

Joe Rogan 53:56 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 53:56 ... they deal with real shit. But, uh, that aside, in the last eight years, when cops tell me they're cops at shows, it's like, "Hey, uh, you know, I'm a, I'm a poli-" Like, and I'm like, "What's with this embarrassment?" Like, why are you- why do you feel like you need to be like an undercover police officer when you're like-

Joe Rogan 54:15 You have to w- uh whisper it.

Jeff Dye 54:16 Yeah. Why?

Joe Rogan 54:17 Oh my God. Oh my God.

Jeff Dye 54:17 We sh- I like cops. I think that they're great. They have to go into someone's worst day of their life every day. Any time you've ever had to call a cop, it's not a great day. It's not a great thing that's happening. And they have to enter someone's worst day every 15 minutes or every hour. And I have a tremendous amount of respect for people that do that. And they-

Joe Rogan 54:35 I agree.

Jeff Dye 54:36 They feel-

Joe Rogan 54:37 I agree totally.

Jeff Dye 54:37 They feel ashamed to be a cop because they've been vaguely blanketed as like oppressors or racist or some sort of power-hungry bad guys. And that's probably a little worse in NYPD right now as far as, uh, being in the city with what's going on. So I imagine there's a lot of people who are threatening, same way whenever someone's president isn't the president they want, they go, "I'm gonna move." They make those kind of threats.

Joe Rogan 55:02 Some people do move.

Jeff Dye 55:03 Yeah. Some people do.

Joe Rogan 55:04 Like Rosie and Ellen.

Jeff Dye 55:04 A lot of rich guys are really getting out of ... I respect Rosie and Ellen for that.

Joe Rogan 55:08 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 55:08 Don't you respect that? Every celebrity says they're gonna leave.

Joe Rogan 55:11 That is so dumb.

Jeff Dye 55:11 Well, it's dumb that they left-

Joe Rogan 55:12 It's so stupid.

Jeff Dye 55:12 ... 'cause now they just can't vote. And now they, you know...

Joe Rogan 55:14 Not only that, you're living in Ireland.

Jeff Dye 55:16 But at least they said what they were gonna do.

Joe Rogan 55:17 You're living in England and then your neighbors in England don't like you either. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 55:20 Yeah, 'cause they're like... Yeah, exactly. That, well, that's true. But at least they left.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Now you gotta move to a new place in England.

Jeff Dye 55:26 Hundreds of celebrities said they would leave and didn't.

Joe Rogan 55:28 That's true. Yeah, there's always a lot of that.

Jeff Dye 55:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:30 A lot of people said they were gonna move to Canada. Well, great, good luck with that.

Jeff Dye 55:33 But now you're just America lite. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:35 Well, you're America communist.

Jeff Dye 55:37 Now-

Joe Rogan 55:37 Ca- Canada's nuts.

Jeff Dye 55:38 But now you're, like, still reliant on America.

Joe Rogan 55:43 I know a stat that I wanted to look up that I just read. I n- it put this in a perplexity. One out of 20 deaths last year, I read this article, that was saying was assisted suicide. That can't be true. That can't be true.

Jeff Dye 55:59 Where'd you see it?

Joe Rogan 55:59 'Cause EQUINOX Canada has an assisted suicide program, a national assisted suicide program. Yeah.

Jeff Dye 56:05 Could you imagine if there's some corruption in that?

Joe Rogan 56:07 Well-

Jeff Dye 56:07 Holy crap.

Joe Rogan 56:08 ... there's corruption in everything-

Jeff Dye 56:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:10 ... Jeff, everything.

Jeff Dye 56:11 That-

Joe Rogan 56:12 Every-

Jeff Dye 56:12 That's a- Fucking-

Joe Rogan 56:13 ... that's a bad one to have some corruption. ... thing. There's cor- corruption in religion. There's cor-

Jeff Dye 56:16 Oh, sure.

Joe Rogan 56:16 Right? There's corruption-

Jeff Dye 56:17 For sure.

Joe Rogan 56:17 ... in science.

Jeff Dye 56:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:18 There's corruption in medicine. There's corruption in-

Jeff Dye 56:20 Which becomes a great excuse to not be a part of those things, you know?

Joe Rogan 56:23 (whoosh sound)

Jeff Dye 56:24 Oh, I won't even question if I was... if I have a creator because there's fouled people in the church. You're like, "That's so stupid."

Joe Rogan 56:30 Well, yeah. Um-

Narrator 56:33 It's accurate for Canada, not-

Joe Rogan 56:34 Wow.

Jeff Dye 56:36 One in 20?

Joe Rogan 56:36 No, of course not America. Canada.

Narrator 56:37 I'm not just... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:38 It's Canada.

Narrator 56:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Put... Let me see the- the numbers.

Jeff Dye 56:39 That's still a lot, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 56:40 Put those... Show- show the perplexity. Look at this, this is crazy. Medical assistance in dying, known as MAID, also is known as assisted suicide or euthanasia, accounted for approximately 4.7% of all deaths in Canada.

Jeff Dye 56:57 That's wild. But-

Joe Rogan 56:58 That is so crazy.

Jeff Dye 57:00 How do we get more specific? Like, what would be an example of, like, how-

Joe Rogan 57:03 Well, we'll, we'll read into it. This proportion is equivalent to about 1 in 20 deaths across the country. That is so fucking insane. 1 out of 20 people who die in Canada are getting assisted suicide. How many of those fucking people you could have given mushrooms to?

Jeff Dye 57:18 Mm, uh...

Joe Rogan 57:19 They could have g- had an ibogaine journey. Maybe they could have fucking done-

Jeff Dye 57:24 A hooker?

Joe Rogan 57:25 ... something differently with their life to get them out of depression. How many of them have, could, could have gotten alternative medical treatments that have dealt with their condition? So, what are the conditions? Is it s- did you put that in there, Jim?

Narrator 57:38 I think average age of them is 70-

Joe Rogan 57:40 77.

Narrator 57:42 ... 7. So they're very old.

Jeff Dye 57:42 Pretty old.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Yeah, that is old. But however, you know, my mom's 80. She's great, you know.

Jeff Dye 57:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:48 Like, what, what's going on?

Jeff Dye 57:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:50 She doesn't want to-

Narrator 57:51 She has a bunch of underlying conditions.

Joe Rogan 57:51 Like, what-

Jeff Dye 57:52 Like cancer-

Joe Rogan 57:52 ... what is it? Are you not en-

Jeff Dye 57:53 ... which is the most common.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Just because you're 77, are you not enjoying life? Or is it, is it 1 out of 20 people are dying of a terminal illness and I am being shortsighted because I'm not think... I'm... they're, like, going to die soon anyway, they choose to die on their own. Is that the case?

Narrator 58:09 That's track one, is natural death is reasonably foreseeable. And track two is not reasonably foreseeable for natural death.

Joe Rogan 58:16 Right. Um, so track two recipients, this is where it gets weird-

Jeff Dye 58:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:20 ... because some of them were chronically obese, some of them were chronically depressed. They were doing it for people that don't really have a disease.

Jeff Dye 58:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:31 So, what are the parameters? Let's, let's put this, ask a follow-up. What do you have to have wrong with you to qualify for MAID in Canada? Let's just ask that.

Jeff Dye 58:42 How do you qualify for MAID?

Joe Rogan 58:43 Because if it's just you're depressed-

Jeff Dye 58:45 That's scary.

Joe Rogan 58:46 ... that's crazy.

Jeff Dye 58:47 Right. And th- and very irresponsible. If you have cancer and they're trying to just like, "I d- I'm done with my fight. Please help me."

Joe Rogan 58:54 Right.

Jeff Dye 58:55 Is what track-

Joe Rogan 58:56 Right.

Jeff Dye 58:56 ... one is.

Joe Rogan 58:56 That makes sense.

Jeff Dye 58:56 But we're talking about track two.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Be at least 18 years old and capable of making healthcare decisions. Be eligible for publicly funded health service. Okay, that's normal. Voluntary request, informed consent, have a serious and incurable illness, disease or disability causing enduring and intolerable suffering-

Jeff Dye 59:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:16 ... that cannot be alleviated under conditions acceptable to the person, but that's the key wo- the key phrase there, acceptable to the person, is interesting. Be in an advanced state of irr- irreversible decline in capability. Okay. Um, are people with depression... Just write severe. Are people with severe depression eligible for MAID? Write that. Severe depression. 'Cause y- you know, a lot of people would say that is an incurable disease. Where would we be without the red squiggly line? I don't know how to spell anything anymore.

Jeff Dye 59:53 (sighs) I can't spell anything, ever. I never have been.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Jimmy, you're rolling the dice with eligible?

Narrator 59:57 I am. Ed knows that.

Joe Rogan 59:58 You're an animal. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:00:00 (laughs) Ed knows.

Narrator 1:00:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 (laughs) All right, uh, in Canada, people whose sole underlying medical condition is severe depression or any other mental illness are currently not eligible-

Jeff Dye 1:00:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 ... for medical assistance in dying. This temporary exclusion includes psychiatric conditions like depression and personality disorders. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone in March 17, 2027. Uh, however, people with mental illnesses may be eligible if they have a grievious... grievous, grievious, or, uh, ir- irremedible... Boy, that's a word. Have you ever said that word? Irremediable?

Jeff Dye 1:00:36 No, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 Irremediable. I've never said that word.

Jeff Dye 1:00:38 You don't know what you're talking to. I've never said that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Physical, but I've never even seen that. Irremediable? Physical health condition that meets MAID's criteria. The government has delayed eligibility expansion for mental illness due to concerns around safety and appropriate safeguards. Uh, when MAID for mental illness becomes le- becomes legal, they say it like it will be-

Jeff Dye 1:00:56 2027, March.

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 Oh, okay.

Jeff Dye 1:00:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 That's what I'd read. Okay. This was the issue, so they were going to. Okay. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone until March 17, 2027. So, there's a year and a few months, and then these people are eligible for this.... uh, as a 0.5-

Jeff Dye 1:01:15 Numbers go up.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 ... severe depression alone does not qualify. So what it seems like is a lot of people that are just not doing well, it's the end of their life, and they're like, "I'd like to go out on my own terms."

Jeff Dye 1:01:25 That's fair.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 I don't wanna just-

Jeff Dye 1:01:27 Scary.

Narrator 1:01:27 Sad.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 ... walk into a library with a .44 and make people clean up.

Jeff Dye 1:01:31 Or they go, "I'm a f- financial burden on my family."

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Right.

Jeff Dye 1:01:34 Or, or those kinda things.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Yeah, right.

Jeff Dye 1:01:35 When you're an old person, you feel a little guilt that, like, "Ah, my kids are-"

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 That's true. And also, sometimes people, like, one of their loved ones dies and they don't wanna be alone.

Jeff Dye 1:01:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 They just can't... They've been with this person for 45 years.

Jeff Dye 1:01:46 My dad just died, and my mom is not doing great with the... I mean, she's been with him since she was 17.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 It's very hard. My grandfather died one year after my grandmother died, and he was fine up until then. And it was just like the g- the grief was just intolerable.

Jeff Dye 1:02:02 Yeah, and she's feeling a lot of guilt because he was kind of, uh, cognitively m- m... I don't know. I don't know how to say it politely. He was just kind of not, not himself for the last, like, year. And so, when he passed, um, m- my mom did feel a little relief. Like, you know, "Ugh, yeah, I'm kind of his caretaker."

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Right, right, right.

Jeff Dye 1:02:23 And so then feel guilt about the... About-

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 Relief.

Jeff Dye 1:02:26 ... the relief, you know. You go-

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:02:26 ... "I don't wanna feel relief that someone that I'm... That I've, uh, known my whole life is gone." And, and then now trying to mourn that. You know, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:02:33 ... it's very, very complicated, and...

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 It's real hard when-

Jeff Dye 1:02:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 ... someone has dementia or Alzheimer's or anything along those lines, 'cause-

Jeff Dye 1:02:41 I have... The patience that these people have to work with dementia and those kind of... Even an eating disorder is, is... You know, you can't really communicate it to the person-

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 Right.

Jeff Dye 1:02:50 ... when they have this body dysmorphia or these... Like, something-

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 1:02:53 ... as simple as that.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:02:54 Uh, those people are saints that can work with, with-

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Absolutely.

Jeff Dye 1:02:57 ... co- anybody cognitively or, like, any kind of, like, dysphoria. Like, that's, that's... I mean, I, I... Those are heroes to me because I don't have the patience for it. I'm very, like, direct. I'm very, like, wanna have a good time.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:03:08 Like, I'm not good at being like, "How don't you see this?"

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Apparently, there's some really promising treatments for dementia and Alzheimer's. Um, one of 'em, one of 'em was dementia or Alzheimer's, was the supplement of, uh, supplementation with selenium. See if you can find what that is. That's one I was doing that, glanced at quickly and I was like, "I better remember this."

Jeff Dye 1:03:29 I probably shouldn't say this on here, but...

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 It's okay.

Jeff Dye 1:03:32 There's a beautiful great woman named Lydia who I've been hanging out with, and, and her mom was, uh... Had some sort of dementia or some, some something like this, and, uh, she gave... Their family had a g- real long debate about, uh, what the doctor recommended. It was shock therapy.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 (inhales deeply)

Jeff Dye 1:03:49 And it worked.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Really?

Jeff Dye 1:03:52 It works for now, I guess. Like, a- at least-

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Oh.

Jeff Dye 1:03:54 ... like, they're all going, "Wait." Now she's saying, "Hey, didn't you just come over last week and we talked about this?" Like, she's having things... Like, I... That's why I'm saying I, I don't know if I should say it on here because there was a positive outcome of the shock therapy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Yeah, that's funny because someone just sent me a, a link to a documentary on shock therapy that it was a negative thing. Can you believe they're still doing shock therapy?

Jeff Dye 1:04:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 And I said, like, "I don't know much about that."

Jeff Dye 1:04:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 You know, the only shock therapy I've ever heard was, like... You hear about the horror stories. I don't know.

Jeff Dye 1:04:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 Like, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Jeff Dye 1:04:26 (laughs) Yeah. Those are, those are lobotomies though, right?

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 Yeah. I think that was a shock therapy thing.

Jeff Dye 1:04:29 Oh, I thought those were lobotomies.

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Well, the l-... Might be.

Jeff Dye 1:04:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 It might be lobotomy.

Jeff Dye 1:04:33 Those we've all agreed, although, dude, they were doing them long after they were out.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Did them forever.

Jeff Dye 1:04:37 Yeah. Because those guys-

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 They did them till-

Jeff Dye 1:04:39 ... wanted money.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 ... the y- d-... Like, I think it was-

Jeff Dye 1:04:41 Healthcare.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 ... like, the year I was born or the year before I was born, they stopped doing 'em.

Jeff Dye 1:04:45 I heard all these stories about there would be, like, people who would still, um, you know, on the fringes of it, like, 'cause they, they didn't wanna, like, shut down their practice. So they'd be like, "Hey, you know, we'll still give it to you." These, this author-

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 Oh, like basement abortions. (groans)

Jeff Dye 1:04:58 Yeah, and they would be like, "This authoritarian government's not even letting people have lobotomies, but we'll still do it. I'm the doctor that'll still do it."

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 It's lobotomy.

Narrator 1:05:06 Yeah, I think it was shock therapy.

Jeff Dye 1:05:07 Is it? Am I saying it right?

Narrator 1:05:07 I think it was shock therapy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Yeah, you say lobotomy. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:05:08 You know, dude, you know what, Joe?

Narrator 1:05:10 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:05:10 For, for a big part of my life, uh, I thought it was Sarah Bell's palsy, so-

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 Hold on, what did you just say?

Narrator 1:05:15 The movie was Shock Therapy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 Yeah, it was Shock Therapy.

Jeff Dye 1:05:16 Oh, it was? Um, and the- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Sarah Bell's palsy?

Jeff Dye 1:05:20 Yeah, so we're watching-

Narrator 1:05:21 Nope, uh-

Jeff Dye 1:05:21 ... this game or something, and the guy looked crazy, and I go, "Looks like he's got Sarah Bell's palsy." And my friend Ka-

Narrator 1:05:27 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:05:27 No one laughed. (laughs)

Narrator 1:05:28 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:05:28 No one laughed. Which is a good comedy note, is that if you say a thing wrong or it's a false premise or something, no one's on board with it. But I-

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 But if you say it around comedians.

Jeff Dye 1:05:36 Well, I said around a bunch of people watching football, I go, "Looks like he's got, uh, Sarah Bell's palsy." And everyone just looked at me. And then my friend Katie's like, "Did you say Sarah Bell's?" And I was like, "Well, isn't that what it is?" And she's like, "It's cerebral palsy." And I was like, "I don't know."

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Just... (laughs)

Narrator 1:05:48 I've never seen the movie, so I don't know how it ended. It says they discovered at the end he had been lobotomized.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 Is that in the book?

Jeff Dye 1:05:52 Right, the, uh... The big chief guy was, uh, lobotomized.

Narrator 1:05:55 That's a part of the movie-

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 That's the part of the movie, so-

Jeff Dye 1:05:56 Yeah, the big, the big boy, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 Oh, so he was lobotomized, but was Jack Nicholson supposedly lobotomized as well?

Jeff Dye 1:06:01 No, they were just in a cuckoo house.

Narrator 1:06:03 He's like the shock therapy here and then at the end-

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 Right, they did shock therapy, but remember at the end, he was, like, totally docile.

Jeff Dye 1:06:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 Maybe they were letting you know he got lobotomized too.

Jeff Dye 1:06:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 Probably. They did that forever. When did they stop doing lobotomies? Was it like '67?

Narrator 1:06:18 Right around... That Dr., uh...

Jeff Dye 1:06:19 Please, lumbotomy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 Lobotomies. When they stop doing lobotomies? (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:06:24 This is a thing I have...

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 What year was it?

Narrator 1:06:27 Uh...

Jeff Dye 1:06:28 I love to talk about plenty of things I know and don't know about.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 You know?

Jeff Dye 1:06:31 It's fine.

Narrator 1:06:32 Finally, it's the one, the one doctor did almost all of them.

Jeff Dye 1:06:35 What?

Narrator 1:06:35 He did one-third of them.

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 (gasps)

Jeff Dye 1:06:36 That's a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 How many did he do?

Jeff Dye 1:06:39 How rich was he? Let's, uh, let's-

Narrator 1:06:40 Yeah, how much money was that-

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 What was his net worth? I bet he had a nice Mercedes.

Jeff Dye 1:06:43 (laughs) Yeah, I bet he had a huge Mercedes.

Narrator 1:06:44 All right, so we got, yeah, one-third of his 3,500 lobotomies-

Jeff Dye 1:06:46 Good God.

Narrator 1:06:47 ... performed were successful, and 490 resulted in fatalities.

Jeff Dye 1:06:51 Wait, hold on. Jamie.

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 He killed 490 people by scrambling their brains.

Narrator 1:06:54 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:06:54 Successful? Which ones were successful?

Narrator 1:06:55 They worked. They worked. One-third.

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 Only one-third.

Jeff Dye 1:06:56 What does that mean?

Narrator 1:06:56 They were perfect. They were perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 What does that mean?

Narrator 1:06:58 He accidentally told-

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 Billy just drools. Now he doesn't fuck the dog anymore.

Jeff Dye 1:07:00 He's not annoying us with his, uh, what... You know, undiagnosed, um, autism. Now he's, like... Now he just sits there.

Narrator 1:07:07 Dr. Framing.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 That's not successful. Hey, he doesn't fuck the dog anymore.

Jeff Dye 1:07:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 It's a success. That's the guy? Oh, that fucking creepy-looking psycho.

Jeff Dye 1:07:15 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 Oh, Jesus Christ. That's how they did it. They went right through the fucking eyeball, man.

Jeff Dye 1:07:19 I thought they went through the nose.

Narrator 1:07:20 No.

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 No, they go through the eyeball.

Jeff Dye 1:07:21 The nether, where-

Narrator 1:07:21 They could do both, probably.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 ... there's one-

Jeff Dye 1:07:24 Oh, there's the nose. That's the one I knew about.

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 No. They do both ways, through the nose, through the fucking eyeball. Fucking, God damn it. And in the end, look, he's happy.

Jeff Dye 1:07:33 Oh, I thought he was giving a thumbs up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 He was a mess.

Jeff Dye 1:07:34 I thought he was going, "Hell yeah."

Joe Rogan 1:07:36 He's like, "Cool."

Jeff Dye 1:07:36 I feel great.

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 Imagine if they just scrambled it a little-

Jeff Dye 1:07:40 Ugh!

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 ... so it's like you're just on ecstasy all day. "Whee, I love everybody."

Jeff Dye 1:07:44 I will say, the first time I did mushrooms, I was like... 'Cause my buddy's like, "The cool thing about mushrooms is that you don't want... It's not like cocaine or- or E or anything. You're not gonna, you're not gonna become, like, addicted to mushrooms. You're not gonna wanna do mushrooms every day." And then the second I did mushrooms, I was sitting in the chair and I was like, "You guys were wrong." And they're like, "What?" I go, "I just wanna feel like this all the time."

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:08:03 Like, like you, you lost your mind. Like, this is the, this is the right state of being for me. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:08:08 ... it's the best.

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 It should be legal. It-

Jeff Dye 1:08:10 It's the best drug.

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 It's b- better at making people better people than anything.

Jeff Dye 1:08:14 Yes. All I wanted to do w-

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 I think-

Jeff Dye 1:08:17 ... and, and still since then, is like, let's just talk and connect, and like, let's, let's find a way-

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 Let's be nice.

Jeff Dye 1:08:22 Yeah, let's be good. Let's be nice to each other.

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 Let's have fun.

Narrator 1:08:24 Nobel Prize for the...

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 Whoa!

Jeff Dye 1:08:26 Oh, wow!

Narrator 1:08:27 (laughs) Not that same doctor-

Joe Rogan 1:08:28 Oh, my God.

Narrator 1:08:28 ... but a different doctor.

Jeff Dye 1:08:29 Oh, okay. Wait, what?

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 Oh, Nobel Prize.

Narrator 1:08:31 That'd make people go ahead and get it, right? Like...

Joe Rogan 1:08:33 So they started getting them in '35, and then in '49, Dr. Moniz won the Nobel Prize for it.

Narrator 1:08:39 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 And so Dr. Freeman was the guy who did one-third of them.

Narrator 1:08:41 Yeah, he made it a 10-minute procedure.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 Nice.

Jeff Dye 1:08:43 Geez.

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 In and out. Nice.

Jeff Dye 1:08:45 It's quick. It's quick. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 You come in, you got an appointment at noon. Come in at 11:00.

Jeff Dye 1:08:49 Yeah, I'll be there.

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 I'll have the kid drooling in the parking lot at 11:35.

Jeff Dye 1:08:53 It's like a chiropractor. "Just come in. We'll give a..."

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 Yeah, we'll snap it. Pop, pop.

Jeff Dye 1:08:55 "Yeah, fast, dude. You'll be at Chipotle in no time."

Joe Rogan 1:08:58 I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors.

Jeff Dye 1:09:02 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 There's been a ton of those stories.

Jeff Dye 1:09:03 Do you ever go to them?

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:09:04 You're a f-

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 I don't, no.

Jeff Dye 1:09:04 ... you're a body guy. That's it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:06 No, I don't go to them anymore.

Jeff Dye 1:09:07 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:07 I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn. You know when they say, "I'm a doctor"?

Jeff Dye 1:09:13 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 They don't go to medical school for three seconds.