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Escaping the algorithm: comments, alerts, and attention “units”
- JDJeff Dye
(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JDJeff Dye
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) I'm trying to get to that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's the key. That's the-
- JDJeff Dye
But they're tricking me, Joe. They're- they're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
... they're baiting me in with the algorithm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, these motherfuckers. They get me too. They get me in the morning. When I was-
- JDJeff Dye
I was just talking about it with Jamie, that like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Are we rolling?
- NANarrator
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
I was just talking about with him, is like, I'm so good at, like, not caring what people think, sort of. And then I find, no, I really care a lot. Like, I'm like-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
... in a constant tug of war of that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everybody cares.
- JDJeff Dye
Because I used to have Google alerts on.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, no. For your name?
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. And then I had to get rid of that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, how dare you do that.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. Then I was like, "I'm gonna check the YouTube comments." So that's when-
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- JDJeff Dye
... that was a ring that I had to close. I'm slowly closing the rings. The ring I'm stuck in right now is checking what, like, my comedy peers are up to. You know, that kind of stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, no.
- JDJeff Dye
The one, the- the- they make videos-
- JRJoe Rogan
Let me get you a cigar.
- JDJeff Dye
The videos they make of like, uh, "Oh, so and so is- is, you know, having a breakdown, or Marc Maron said this." Or those kind of, like those rings, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, no, no, no.
- 1:45 – 6:06
Ronda Rousey’s legacy: pioneers vs. the evolved field
- JDJeff Dye
Do you mind if I tell you my opinion of Ronda Rousey, and you tell me if I'm right or not?
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure. Go ahead.
- JDJeff Dye
'Cause you know what you're talking about, and I am not a UFC... Like, I like UFC, but I don't... You know, you know these things.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJeff Dye
So, I've always said, like, Ronda Rousey was a badass.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJeff Dye
And was awesome at fighting when there was like 30 girls doing it. In- like, professionally, at her level.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JDJeff Dye
Right? Th- That's why I said I might be wrong. But then there was probably all these girls who could really fight all over the world, like in Japan and other countries, and even maybe even in America that just weren't in UFC. They're like, "I could probably beat this chick." And now that there's so many women competing on this level, like, Ronda Rousey probably isn't in her prime as badass as like the field.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's very difficult to, when someone's a pioneer, she's a legitimate pioneer.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very difficult to compare them to the people that have had a chance to study the pioneers and then advance the sport.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, what she was is... Here you go.
- JDJeff Dye
Thanks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have a lighter, fella. She's a legend. I mean, I got nothing but love and respect for that lady. What she did was so impressive. She was the first legitimate female superstar. She made the UFC female division possible.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
If it wasn't for her... Dana was very open about never having female UFC fighters. It took someone w- that was that dynamic, that was that special, to open his eyes and go, "You know what? I think this lady's a star." And to be the type of, like... When she said like, "I wasn't an expert." Any- everyone's entitled to their opinion, you know?
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you gotta understand why she thinks like that, 'cause she's a fucking- she has a champion mentality. You never fought, you ain't shit. You know, it's like, it's real simple.
- JDJeff Dye
It's why the football guys always do that.
- JRJoe Rogan
You ain't shit.
- JDJeff Dye
"You didn't play?"
- JRJoe Rogan
You ain't shit.
- JDJeff Dye
"You didn't get it? I studied the sport."
- JRJoe Rogan
Doesn't matter. You ain't shit.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I get it. It's totally fine. Um, you can't judge her, like compare her to like Zhang Weili, because like Zhang Weili, who was the 115 pound champion, she had a chance to watch all these other people, learn what they're doing right, what they're doing wrong, what's effective, what's not effective. What- what- what Ronda had is world-class judo. World class. Bronze medalist in the Olympics. One of the best arm bars, period, in the sport, in the history of the sport. Her fucking arm bar, the technique was flawless. There's a fight with her and Cat Zingano. Cat Zingano launches at her, just fucking... Cat Zingano was an animal. Charges at her full speed. Ronda catches her in an arm bar in like 13 seconds. I don't remember the exact time. It was nuts. But it was perfect, perfect technique. You know, you couldn't fuck with that. But then she fought Holly Holm. And when she fought Holly Holm, she was dealing with an elite boxer, an elite kickboxer, and a very physically strong woman who had an awesome game plan and who had a chance to study Ronda. And maybe more importantly, came from a great camp. And that camp, Jackson-Winkeljohn camp, one of the best camps in the world. Jon Jones came out of that camp. Holly, uh, Donald Cerrone originally came out of that camp. A lot of great fighters came out of there. So they were really good at game planning. So they knew how Ronda likes to clinch, they knew how Ronda likes to set up her take downs, and they knew, you know, what to avoid. And then, on top of that, Holly is just an elite striker. So every time Ronda tried to close the distance, the striking that she was very effective with against guys like, uh, Beth Correia, these- these fighters that were a- a lower tier, it's not gonna be as effective with someone like Holly. And Holly started catching her on the feet and had her rocked, and then landed that famous high kick and put her out.
- JDJeff Dye
Well, I thought they were like the same age and same era. But like Holly's after.
- JRJoe Rogan
Not really.
- 6:06 – 13:56
Holly Holm and the cost of fame: game plans, camps, and distraction
- JRJoe Rogan
you as you're charging in, that was- that was the problem in that fight. Also the problem in that fight, I think for Ronda, is...... when you start becoming really famous, then the hyenas s- show up-
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And they start offering you this and offering you that, and distracting you with this and distracting you with that. And now you're going to meetings and you're talking to agents and you're setting up movies and you're doing this and you're doing that. And all those things take away from the most important thing, which is your fighting.
- NANarrator
(sniffs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Even if they don't take away from the amount of training you do, they take away from your focus. They just, they rob you of the bandwidth. You know, I always tell, uh, comics this when it comes to, like, dealing with, um, haters and things online that you shouldn't read. You only have ... Like, think of your mind as having a number of units of attention. Think you have a, a, like 100 units of focus. Anything that eats into those units, anything that bothers you, that annoys you, that's useless, that doesn't help you, that's stealing from your 100. You know? So now you only have 80 units or 70 units of focus, 'cause 30 of it is concentrated on bullshit. It will, it'll rob you of what makes you great. So there was two factors. There was the skill of Holly, the fact that she had all this opportunity to study Ronda and with a great team and devise a game plan, and then there's also the stealing of focus. You know, Ronda, I was one of the biggest champions of her as a fighter, as a, as a, like, a legitimate pioneer and a star. There was, first, it was Gina Carano and Chris Cyborg to a certain extent, but Cyborg had an asterisk 'cause everybody knew she was roided up. And then it was Ronda, but Ronda b- eclipsed all of them. She was bigger than all of them. I was a huge supporter, and still am, but when you watch a fight and you're watching you get your ass kicked, and the other person is talking about how great the other person is doing and how bad you're doing, that doesn't sit well with a lot of people.
- NANarrator
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Especially like someone who's got that kind of champion mentality, that fucking pit bull mentality. Like, "I thought you were with me, fuck you."
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then it was after the fight, I was very public about saying, "I don't think she should fight for a long time." They were talking about doing an immediate rematch, and I was like, "That's crazy." Like, they were talking about doing a rematch in four months or something like that. I was like, when you get head kicked into the shadow realm, you're supposed to take a long time off. When Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, it was a fucking picture perfect right hand who knocked, uh, that knocked Manny Pacquiao out. His coach, Freddie Roach, said, "You can't fight for a year. I don't want you doing anything for a year, for one year." Because you gotta heal up from something like that. It's, it's bad. When you get knocked unconscious, it's not just that you'll be a touch gun shy, which is possible, but also that you're more vulnerable to getting hit. And then you could ruin your chin forever. Like, if you get knocked out, there's certain fighters that used to have iron chins, like Chuck Liddell's one of the greatest examples of that. He had an iron chin. You could hit that dude with a fucking sledgehammer and he would just keep swinging at you. And then eventually it got to the point where he would get clipped and he would just go out. And it wasn't him, it was his ma- his bra- his brain was broken. It was too, it was too many times, too many shots, too many, too many knockouts, too many impacts. You gotta preserve that. You gotta be very careful with that, and you gotta take a long time off. And then there was the Amanda Nunes fight. So the Amanda Nunes fight, I was also very vocal that everybody was putting all of the attention in the promotion on Ronda making this huge comeback. And if you watch the promos for that fight, I thought they were crazy disrespectful, because the promos ... And o- obviously, look, Ronda was a fucking huge star, a much bigger star than Amanda Nunes. And that loss was a shocking upset to a lot of people that didn't understand martial arts and didn't think that Holly had a chance, didn't think anybody had a chance. She was gonna beat everybody forever. But all the promo was Ronda coming back. All of it was like, "She's coming back to take what's hers." It was Ronda in a mansion looking out... It was like the worst-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... promo set. Like, Ronda in a mansion looking-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... out the window saying, "I'm gonna come get my title." I don't know who made that, I don't know what it was, but I remember being backstage the day of the fight and there was all these agents mulling around, all these Hollywood twats. And this guy was like... I forget his exact words. They were talking. He didn't know who Ronda was fighting and he said, "Who-
- NANarrator
Who I am is..."
- JRJoe Rogan
"I don't know what her name is, but whoever it is, it's her funeral." That's what he said. And I was like, "Oh my God."
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, these are the people ... Meanwhile, Amanda Nunes was the scariest person at 135, and that what I, that's what I had said before she fought Holly Holm. I mean, like, Dana and I talked about it. I said, "I think Amanda's the scariest title challenger," because she can flatline chicks with one punch.
- NANarrator
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
She's very different than all the other ones. She went up flatlining Chris Cyborg. It was a crazy fight. She beats the fuck outta everybody. She hits so hard, like way harder than most women. And I was like, "That's a dangerous fucking opponent." And they're making it seem like this is all about the Ronda comeback when Amanda was the champion. So Holly had beaten Ronda, Miesha Tate had beaten Holly, and then Amanda had beaten Miesha Tate.
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So am- Amanda was the fucking champion, but all the promotion was all about Ronda. And then-
- NANarrator
They were trying to do like pro wrestling, like ...
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know what they were doing.
- NANarrator
"She'll come back."
- JRJoe Rogan
I think, you know, they were just selling the fight.
- NANarrator
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
They were selling it. And the best way to sell it is I guess that way.
- NANarrator
Who's more famous?
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's disrespectful-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- 13:56 – 18:49
Champion mentality, retirement, and “redlining” the body
- JRJoe Rogan
She didn't wanna do it anymore. And that, there comes a time where, look, every fighter can only red line for so long, and the reality of fighting is you're red lining.
- JDJeff Dye
What does that mean?
- JRJoe Rogan
Wh- you know what a red line, when the, the engine, you know, when your tachometer reaches-
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like 8,000 RPMs like (imitates engine revving) .
- JDJeff Dye
Right, at the top.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can only do that for so long or your engine blows. But to, to be in peak physical condition, to be able to fight in a championship fight, you essentially have to red line your body through camp. You have to get your body to a place where it's at a ra- you can't maintain fight shape.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not possible. You get to a certain part, you peak, and then the last week you kinda drop off so that you can recover, and so that Saturday night, when Saturday night rolls up and the lights go on in Madison Square Garden, you are as fucking ready as a human being can get. But you can't maintain that, and you can't-
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... do that forever. There's only ... And they think that, there's a theory amongst, uh, mixed martial arts commentators and experts and what have you, that it's about nine years. Nine years is all that it's possible to compete at a, at a peak level, and then you get a drop off. Some people have more longevity than others. It varies. Some people it's a much shorter reign, and you gotta kinda look at who they were when they were at the top. You can on- you can only look at them when they're at that peak. Like guys like Anderson Silva, he gets, gets kinda dismissed because later in his life the performances weren't the same. They weren't elite performances. But I say that's just human.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You gotta look at him when he was the champion. He was one of the most elite guys that's ever competed in the sport, period. He's one of the greatest of all time. But you can only, you gotta look at when he was in his prime.
- JDJeff Dye
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? And there's only a certain amount of time he can do that. And then when a fighter doesn't want to do that and only that anymore, you gotta get out. You gotta get out, 'cause there's some fucking 20-year-old Mike Tyson out there. There's some animal.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's some dude that lives, breathes, sleeps fighting, and they, all they wanna do is land shots and take you out. They just, they, that's their whole focus in life. They don't give a fuck about relationships. They don't give a fuck about where they live. They don't f- give a fuck about anything, just winning. And that's how you become a world champion. That's how you become elite. But you can only maintain it for so long. It's not a normal way for a human being to exist. It's very, it's a very strange way to live.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. (laughs) For sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? And for her it's natural. Like, she's a woman. She's like, "I wanna have babies. I have this great man, and-"
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and she's married to Travis Browne, who's also a beast, who was a elite UFC heavyweight, top 10 heavyweight. You know, she's like, "I'm done. I'm gonna make some warrior kids." I get it.
- JDJeff Dye
I saw it and I was like, what the hell does that mean?
- JRJoe Rogan
Boo.
- JDJeff Dye
She's quitting?
- JRJoe Rogan
She just didn't want to beat up-
- JDJeff Dye
You don't wanna fight anymore?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no. She-
- JDJeff Dye
Now my niece is rooting for Holly Holm. Good lady.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
Holly Holm's nice.
- 18:49 – 20:13
Sponsor break and a relationship analogy: muscle cars vs. road-trip cars
- JRJoe Rogan
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- JDJeff Dye
(laughs) Yeah, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Especially while they're fighting. You know? It's like, you don't really want that in your life.
- JDJeff Dye
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like-
- JDJeff Dye
No way.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what it's like?
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like a muscle car. Like, muscle cars are great to drive, but you don't wanna take them on a road trip.
- 20:13 – 23:20
Schaub’s “race car” Lakers pickup and Jeff’s love of big, absurd vehicles
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, dude. Schauby took me to... So I have a great Lakers hookup, right? I li- I go to all the Lakers games. And, uh, I invited Brandon Schaub when we first became friends. I said, "You wanna come to the Lakers game with me? You'll like it. We, we, we sit, we have great seats. We'll put you in the back and we'll meet the owner, it'll be great." So that's what my only kind of flex, you know, that I can bring people to these kind of things. It's a mu- I don't have a lot to offer, but I can offer that. So he's like, "Yeah, I'll pick you up." And he comes to my house, Brandon Schaub comes to my house in like a race car. I mean, this thing is, it's got the big spoiler on the back. Also, we're both-
- JRJoe Rogan
What was it?
- JDJeff Dye
... we're both big guys. I'm 6'4", he's, I don't know how tall he is, but he's taller than me. And we're in this tiny thing-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
... in traffic on the 101 going to a Lakers game.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- JDJeff Dye
And we can barely talk. We're both talkers, you know? And it's like (imitates engine sputtering) the whole time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
And I was just sit, like a what? And halfway through the drive, I'm, as, even though we were like new friends at the time, I'm like, "What made you pick this car? You have other cars."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
And he goes, "Well, you're like a little kid, and my son loves this car, so I just-"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
"... I, I picked it 'cause of you." You're like a little kid. (laughs) That's hilarious. Yeah. (laughs) And he was right, 'cause when he pulled up, I was like, "Oh, this is awesome." But then I got in and I was like, "Bro, we're not built for this thing. It's tiny."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
But that's not a, like your analogy, like that's not a day-to-day...
- JRJoe Rogan
No, that's not a road trip car.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You wanna be in a Cadillac.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? You wanna be in something that's quiet and real smooth and handles bumps well.
- JDJeff Dye
Exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like a person.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
Someone-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Like, you want-
- JDJeff Dye
Comfortable.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you want a one-night stand, you want a muscle car.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs) Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You want a long-term relationship, get a Lexus. (laughs)
- 23:20 – 25:44
Cybertruck backlash and political signaling through consumer choices
- JDJeff Dye
I have a Cybertruck, and uh, I, I, you can't really lift it, but since it has an air suspension-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJeff Dye
... you can buy pins that make the air suspension one inch larger than whatever it's adjusting to. 'Cause if you put a lift on it, the, the, it's gonna screw it all up. So anyways, long story short. I have a lifted Cybertruck with big, stupid tires on it, and I drive into The Comedy Store parking lot, and I'm like, "This really isn't helping my reputation right now."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
Every time I roll in, everyone's like, "What is that?"
- JRJoe Rogan
It used to be that if you had a Tesla, you were, you were signaling that you were a left-wing person.
- JDJeff Dye
100%.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, you're environmentally conscious, worried about carbon.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. That, that was the, one of the more crazy shifts. And we could come up with a thousand of these, but like EVs used to be considered like this great thing you're doing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they still are, you know-
- JDJeff Dye
Unless it's a Cybertruck.
- JRJoe Rogan
Unless it's a Tesla, 'cause then you support Trump.
- JDJeff Dye
I get flipped off every day...
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- JDJeff Dye
... in my Cybertruck. Yeah, every day.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a video of this lady in New Jersey, she gets out of her Cybertruck. Just gets out, she was a passenger. And this lady who's walking her dog goes, "How's it feel to be racist?" (laughs) And she's like-
- JDJeff Dye
... for driving a car.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "What are you-" She's like, "What are you talking about?" She got a ride. She wasn't even driving.
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, it wasn't even hers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Someone dropped her off. She's like, "What are you talking about?" "Yeah, you're a racist. You're in a Cybertruck. You're a racist." And she's like, "What the fuck is wrong with you? You're, you're crazy."
- JDJeff Dye
It blows my mind.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, people are always looking for every possible opportunity to be a shithead. And if they can be a shithead, if they're justified in being a shithead because they disagree with you, they would be the meanest motherfuckers-
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... just to be a shithead. And that activity happens primarily on the left, primarily. Like, you don't see that from the right.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, if, if someone pulls up in a Prius with a Coexist bumper sticker, you don't see a bunch of guys going, "Oh, you fucking pussy."
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
"What are you, what are you supporting fucking Iraq? What, you fucking-"
- JDJeff Dye
"Get out of our town."
- JRJoe Rogan
"... supporting ISIS with your fucking-"
- 25:44 – 38:08
Polarization, “racist” as a blunt weapon, and the Charlie Kirk clip problem
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, like, Jimmy Kimmel's wife was doing some podcast recently, Jimmy and the wife, and the wife was saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives 'cause they voted for Trump. 'Cause she says, like, "If you vote for Trump, you're voting against my-"
- JDJeff Dye
She stopped talking to them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. "You're voting against my husband and my family." Like, "What?"
- JDJeff Dye
"What are you talking about?" Well, I think that that's the big psyop. They've made everything racial.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
Right? Everything is racial. And so the last thing you wanna be called is a racist, right? So, when you make it as simple as race, like just racial, like just that blanketly simple, then anything another color does, you'd be considered r- So you'd go, "Oh, well, I don't really believe," or, "I think Muslims are blank." Whatever that sentence is, they go, "Racist." And you go, well, there's surely some things we could criticize about, uh, maybe North Korea. They go, "Oh, you're racist." So it's like, it's... 'Cause it's so simple and it's so vague, and people love to keep vague things-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
... because then they can make their... I saw a comedian, I won't say her name because I can't pronounce it, but it's... (laughs) That's why I won't say it, not 'cause I'm holding back names. Uh, Mary Lynn Rajskub, or Rajskub, or whatever her name is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I know Mary Lynn.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, she used to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Very well.
- JDJeff Dye
... be really nice to me, and then, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
She used to be?
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, she, she got caught talking shit about me, and I DMed her immediately. And then she was like, "Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh." And, uh, you know, I think she's a nice person. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
She's a very nice person.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, she's nice. And, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
People get caught up in that shit, man.
- JDJeff Dye
I saw her do a bit the other night, uh, in the lab, where she was like, the, the, she was like, "I'm texting with this guy, and he said," uh, she said, "How are you?" And he said, uh, "Oh, I'm just really sa- sad today about Charlie," about Charlie Kirk. And ch- and then she goes, "And my hand was like, my phone was on fire." I was like, "Ah, ah." Like, "What?" And then the crowd laughed at her defense. Like, the, the lab at the Improv thought this was a hilarious premise. And then she said, um, she was like, "Uh, what part of his ideas did you find so, uh, uh, gripping? What, was it his racist..." And she just started launching into, like, about how, like, the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about Charlie Kirk's assassination was the biggest turnoff to her that she wrote, like, a whole bit about it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- JDJeff Dye
And I was just, in my mind, I was like, "I can't believe that this is her take, I can't believe it's a take that the crowd is on board with, and I can't believe I'm in this town, uh, anymore." Like, I, it was like a, a moment for me where I was like, "What? How, am I, am I insane?"
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- JDJeff Dye
Like, that's what makes me... Those are the moments where you go, "I think I'm the crazy person." There's a room full of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing, and hence deserves being publicly assassinated. And if you feel sad about it, you're gross to her.
- JRJoe Rogan
And she wants to throw her phone away.
- JDJeff Dye
And she wants to go, "Ah." And that's hilarious to everyone-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JDJeff Dye
... because the simple vagueness of race, you know? Like, it's like this, this, this constant obsession with, you know, you, you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York, or you must be a racist, or Islam pho... They've just made it so vague that it's very easy to always label or, or put thing in, things in a thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's, there's certainly cult-like thinking involved in both the right and the left.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
There, there's... That's a, it's a real problem with people that identify with any political ideology, whether they're c- identifies as being a conservative or identifies as being a liberal. It's a real problem, because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports. And generally, th- that's never a good thing-
- JDJeff Dye
No.
- 38:08 – 50:33
DEI, meritocracy, and why comedy punishes performative ideology
- JDJeff Dye
I think about it every week almost. It sounds strange, but, like, it can... These kind of things consume me. I don't have a wife and kids, you know? Like, I think-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
... about these things all day.
- JRJoe Rogan
You got time.
- JDJeff Dye
But, like, I think about it with, um... Like, in our, in our business, you know? Like, there are so many women who complain, like, "Oh, no girls on the lineup," or, "Only two girls on the line-" And I'm like, "You're- there's less of you. That's all it is." In fact, the fact that there's less of you in our industry is why you're able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts. So yes, it can feel like a boys' club, 'cause it is. There's plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian, like putting up with these comedy club owners, or working the road, or, like... It is... There's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Fans being creepy with you.
- JDJeff Dye
Creepy fans.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're- they're different. Like-
- JDJeff Dye
100%.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
And I'm sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through. But if they just don't understand the numbers, like there's, there's girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at The Improv and The Laugh Factory and The Comedy Store who have been doing it a few years. And then there's guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who as, you know, subjectively are very, very funny, uh, and fun- uh, subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny. And they've- they can't get any spots at these places because th- we need more women comics, alleg- I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they've-
- JDJeff Dye
... we need more diverse, uh, lineups or whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
They've literally said that. "We have too many-"
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"... white male comics."
- JDJeff Dye
I've heard it my whole career.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's crazy.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. One time-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's too crazy to even say.
- JDJeff Dye
... I was in Boston, and, uh, there was this long line for this festival and all this thing, a little bit... Not, uh... It was to submit, like to do audition. They were- it was during Last Comic Standing times, so they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, "Look how many people are here to try out for our festival," or whatever. And, um, someone came out and goes, "Listen, if you're a straight white guy, you better be real different." And all of us just ki-... 'Cause Boston, we're all-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JDJeff Dye
... straight white guys. And I just remember being like, "Well, that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit." Like, what d- like, what does that imply? I don't know. I only know about my circumstances.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so stupid.
- JDJeff Dye
I can't have- I can't... One time my agent said this to me. He, he was talking, bragging about one of his clients, and he was like, "Jeff, listen man, like, you know, I got this one client. He's handsome. He's, uh, his parents are deaf. You know, he's, uh, he's Black. He's got all these great things that make him very indus- interesting for the industry. I think you're gonna have to, like, reinvent yourself or something." I was like, "I can't make things up." Like, I don't know what to tell you.
- JRJoe Rogan
But that's ju-
- JDJeff Dye
I'm a white guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Listen, it's just Hollywood-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and Hollywood's influence with the long tentacles of the octopus. But we don't do that in Texas. Like in-
- 50:33 – 55:43
Leaving LA: Texas house-shopping, Newsom fears, fires, and NYPD rumor-checking
- JDJeff Dye
I am buying a house here.
- JRJoe Rogan
Are you? In Texas?
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeehaw.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, like about, uh, 30, 40 minutes from here.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nice.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You already locked on it?
- JDJeff Dye
No, but I'm shopping for houses on Wednesday, or tomorrow.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JDJeff Dye
Not Wednesday, tomorrow.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- JDJeff Dye
And then, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
I got a good lady if you need s- if you need one. She's the best.
- JDJeff Dye
I have a chick who's pretty good.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- JDJeff Dye
She's like the number one in Arizona. She's ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Arizona's not Texas.
- JDJeff Dye
I know, but she has all these contacts.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- JDJeff Dye
Also, I just know her.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- JDJeff Dye
So that helps.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- JDJeff Dye
I'm traveling abroad.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's good to be loyal.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. And, um, she found a bunch of good stuff, uh, yeah, about 40 minutes from here.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's good too, 40 minutes from here o- out in like Dripping Springs area, it's quiet.
- JDJeff Dye
That's what I want. I want quiet.
- JRJoe Rogan
You go out at night, you hear ... (howls)
- 55:43 – 1:08:58
Canada’s assisted dying numbers and the ethics of “Track Two” eligibility
- JRJoe Rogan
I know a stat that I wanted to look up that I just read. I n- it put this in a perplexity. One out of 20 deaths last year, I read this article, that was saying was assisted suicide. That can't be true. That can't be true.
- JDJeff Dye
Where'd you see it?
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause EQUINOX Canada has an assisted suicide program, a national assisted suicide program. Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
Could you imagine if there's some corruption in that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well-
- JDJeff Dye
Holy crap.
- JRJoe Rogan
... there's corruption in everything-
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Jeff, everything.
- JDJeff Dye
That-
- JRJoe Rogan
Every-
- JDJeff Dye
That's a- Fucking-
- JRJoe Rogan
... that's a bad one to have some corruption. ... thing. There's cor- corruption in religion. There's cor-
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? There's corruption-
- JDJeff Dye
For sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in science.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's corruption in medicine. There's corruption in-
- JDJeff Dye
Which becomes a great excuse to not be a part of those things, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
(whoosh sound)
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, I won't even question if I was... if I have a creator because there's fouled people in the church. You're like, "That's so stupid."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, yeah. Um-
- NANarrator
It's accurate for Canada, not-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JDJeff Dye
One in 20?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, of course not America. Canada.
- NANarrator
I'm not just... Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's Canada.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- 1:08:58 – 1:14:40
Dementia, shock therapy, lobotomies, and why chiropractors freak Joe out
- JRJoe Rogan
I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors.
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, really?
- JRJoe Rogan
There's been a ton of those stories.
- JDJeff Dye
Do you ever go to them?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
You're a f-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't, no.
- JDJeff Dye
... you're a body guy. That's it.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I don't go to them anymore.
- JDJeff Dye
All right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn. You know when they say, "I'm a doctor"?
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They don't go to medical school for three seconds.
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