EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,003 words- 0:00 – 1:35
Islam Makhachev at 170 and why dominance can look “boring”
- BSBrian Simpson
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience. (drumbeats)
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Uh, did you watch it, did you watch the UFC?
- BSBrian Simpson
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- BSBrian Simpson
I saw the fights, dude. Islam Makhachev's ... Fuck, dude goes up one weight class, goes up to 170. He was the 55-pound most dominant champion ever, most title defenses at 55 ever, just dominates at 170. Like- Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... every round. People are g- saying it's boring, but listen, man, (sighs) it's boring if you're a casual. The fact that he was able to do it every round ... It was a little frustrating 'cause you wanted Jack to try to adjust, but he couldn't, man. Is- Islam shut his game down right away. He low-kicked the shit out of his front leg real quick, had him limping real quick. Like, within the first round, he had h- hit it three or four times bad.
- BSBrian Simpson
I mean, I- I- I imagine being Khabib, you know, just your protege is just coming in.
- JRJoe Rogan
And Khabib's even better than him.
- BSBrian Simpson
E- right.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what's so crazy. That's how good those guys are.
- BSBrian Simpson
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, but Khabib's not better standup, though. He is... Islam has really good standup. Like, his standup... Khabib's standup was a means to an end. It was like his standup was to crack you so he could get ahold of you and fuck you up, just drag you to the ground and smash you. That was Khabib's move, but Islam's fucking KO-ing people, man. It's different.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's different. He's headkicking Volkanovski. That's a ... It's like a different level of standup.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, Khabib's saying, "You're gonna be better than me."
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy. Crazy.
- BSBrian Simpson
Them Pakistani boys is here to stay. (laughs)
- 1:35 – 3:00
Dagestan’s training culture: discipline, religion, and consequences for disrespect
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what's crazy, dude? Uh, Belal Muhammad, you know, who was the champ at welterweight, went down to Dagestan and trained with those guys, and he was like, "I thought I trained hard. I really did. I thought I trained hard until I trained with those guys."
- BSBrian Simpson
That's why I'm gonna follow that vi- if I ever have a son, I'm just dropping him. As soon as he's-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrian Simpson
... hit puberty, I'm dropping him off in Dagestan.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrian Simpson
Say, "Leave him here. Forget."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) That's that thing they always say. "Take him to Dagestan. Two, three years, forget."
- BSBrian Simpson
For- yeah, for real.
- JRJoe Rogan
For real.
- BSBrian Simpson
Then he comes back, he comes back telling you what to do.
- JRJoe Rogan
How are you gonna fuck with that? 'Cause that's real. That's how those dudes are really rolling out there. That's how they're really living. They're v- they pray five times a day. They're super religious. There's no gambling, there's no drinking, there's no partying, there's just training.
- BSBrian Simpson
Just training.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just training and training with a bunch of fucking animals. Eating together, training together. Just getting after it every day, and then it's iron sharpens iron 'cause everyone who comes out of there is a fucking killer.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. Yeah, you gotta be real, real-
- JRJoe Rogan
You ... No more ... Most people don't want to live that life.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, and they don't forgive the disrespect.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- BSBrian Simpson
You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
They just fucked Dillon Danis up this past weekend. Did you see that?
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was the-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
... fight in the crowd.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. You gotta watch what-
- JRJoe Rogan
They don't forget.
- BSBrian Simpson
You gotta watch what you say.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro, and they're, you know-
- BSBrian Simpson
(laughs) Them Dagestanis, they not talking shit for promotional purposes.
- 3:00 – 4:48
Can rivals truly reconcile? Conor vs. Khabib and the limits of public apologies
- BSBrian Simpson
Do you think that, that there would ever be like a ... Do you think Conor could ever apologize to Khabib and like sc- bury the hatchet? Or is it too-
- JRJoe Rogan
He would have to ... It would have to be in private, and he would have to really mean it, man, you know? He would have to really mean it, and you'd have to convince Khabib that you really meant it and that it was all ... You know, 'cause he just doesn't play that game, that talking shit to sell a fight game. He doesn't play that game.
- BSBrian Simpson
No, especially when it comes to like his wife, his people, his business.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, everything, man. Everything.
- BSBrian Simpson
I saw a clip of DC just saying like, uh, he did ... He had like Conor on his show one time and Khabib was like, "No. What's that about?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, like, "That's my enemy."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BSBrian Simpson
And, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
And, "You're my friend."
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
And, and, you know, DC was like, "Oh, yeah. I had to ... I didn't look at it that way, but I had to check myself." Like ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, 'cause you're ... If you're a journalist, if you're ... or if you're doing a podcast, you're gonna have some people on that don't like people that are t- close to you, but you gotta like ... That can only go to a certain level. You know, if someone is your, like, sworn enemy-
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh, right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and this other guy's your training partner and your brother, you can't really have that guy on.
- BSBrian Simpson
R- oh, yeah. Of course not.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
Absolutely not. Like, there's, there's no scenario where, where Khabib is gonna be friendly with Jon Jones 'cause he knows-
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- BSBrian Simpson
... the history.
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- BSBrian Simpson
Like, he might be respectful-
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- BSBrian Simpson
... but he, he ain't gonna catch him kicking it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I think Jon and DC have pretty much buried the hatchet.
- BSBrian Simpson
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I think they have. I think they communicated. I think they, I think they've had some interaction. You know, it's like ... Look, when you have two bitter rivals like that and one guy comes out on top, it's just always gonna be that way, always, forever.
- 4:48 – 8:19
Wrestling as MMA’s base: suffering, weight cuts, and long-term damage
- JRJoe Rogan
And like wrestlers, like elite wrestlers are the only people that train the way like Khabib and his crew train. Like, in, in, uh, any other combat sport, like if you're coming over from kickboxing and, you know, and then you want to fight MMA and, you know, you think you ... "Well, I've already trained like an animal already," like, "Mm." (groans)
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a difference. There's a difference in the kind of exhaustion that you get from like hardcore wrestling training, and that's something that these guys have that, uh, it's like ... That's why wrestling is the number one base for MMA. 'Cause anybody who gets really good at wrestling-
- BSBrian Simpson
Facts.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you gotta be a fucking animal. You gotta be a fucking animal.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. I wrestled in high school for the first couple years and it was like ... I was like, "This ain't for me."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrian Simpson
You know? It was (laughs) it, it was hard. It's hardcore, man. Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
So hard.
- BSBrian Simpson
It's a, it's ... Because besides the technique and stuff, you have to be able to suffer.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yup.
- BSBrian Simpson
You're training to suffer.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yup. Yup.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, they, and they break you all the way down every single practice.
- JRJoe Rogan
Training to suffer and then the losing weight. The losing weight and competing on the same day, you know? I, I went to school with this kid. He was 5'6". H- all his brothers were like six foot, six foot one. It's 'cause he wrestled all throughout his childhood and cut weight all through his childhood. He essentially starved himself and stunted his growth.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. Well, my, my friend Jeffrey, um ... You know Bernard used to work at the club? He, uh, or used to perform at the club, but he-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrian Simpson
He's a, he was a wrestling guy, you know.... did, did real well in California-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrian Simpson
... and all that. And now, he, like, he doesn't kno- he doesn't know when he's hungry.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
- BSBrian Simpson
You know, like, he's, he just to has to eat, 'cause he's like, "Oh, I haven't eaten in..." But-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- BSBrian Simpson
... his, whatever connection it is, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
He broke it.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, like, he'll forget to eat.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's crazy.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. It's like, that, that, it can really fuck with you.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, usually it fucks with guys the other way, where they cut way too long and then they just blow up like balloons when they don't have to fight anymore.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, right.
- 8:19 – 10:49
Calories, carnivore dieting, and the mental game of discipline
- JRJoe Rogan
You ever n- figure out how much calories you actually, like, w- burn when you do a hard workout? It's not as much as you think.
- BSBrian Simpson
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, this dude, I forget what he ate, but he had some crazy meal, with like, fucking pancakes, pizza, and all kinds of shit. Like, th- 10,000 calories or something like that. And then he went running to burn off the calories, and he tracked it, like, on an app. He ran for 10 hours. He ran like 30 miles.
- BSBrian Simpson
A marathon?
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause he was in, re- yeah, dude was in really good shape. But w- when he did this, like, he was tracking, like, where is his cau- how many calories he had burned so far. And it took him, like, a marathon, like 30 hours of running. (laughs)
- BSBrian Simpson
To, to, to burn off 1,000 calories?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) 30 miles, rather, 30 miles-
- BSBrian Simpson
Ah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of running. No, it was more than th- like, it was like 10,000 calories. Whatever it was. You know, I forget what he ate, but it was like pancakes and all kinds of crazy shit. Very calorie-o-... But the p- purpose was, like, to see what happens if you eat all this stuff. Like, what does it actually take to burn this off? So he measures all the calories, and then he just goes out running.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, it's kinda, it's kinda disappointing when you realize-
- JRJoe Rogan
It takes a long time. It takes a long time to burn off 10,000 calories.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, that's a lot of working out.
- BSBrian Simpson
That's why I'm a... I know I'm gonna stay fat 'til I die.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrian Simpson
(laughs) You know? I c- 'cause I (laughs) , I got this, I got this row machine-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrian Simpson
... and it like, it tries to tell you how many. And it's j- it is more discour- uh, discouraging than anything. I had to turn that shit off.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you lose any weight when you did that carnivore diet for a month?
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
How much did you lose?
- BSBrian Simpson
Um, I don't know, maybe like 10 pounds.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, well imagine if you did that for like six months.
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah, the di-
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think you could?
- BSBrian Simpson
The diet is everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
Y-... That's the whole way to lose weight.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You, you don't really lose weight in the gym. I mean, you do, you lose a little weight. Your body gets toned, you get healthier. That's all good. But the r- well, real way you lose weight is your diet.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, yeah. It's just discipline.
- 10:49 – 13:57
David Goggins, rhabdomyolysis, and pushing past human limits (plus AI sponsor moment)
- BSBrian Simpson
David Goggins could j-... could j- could definitely sell a app, just a motivational app.
- JRJoe Rogan
He could, but-
- BSBrian Simpson
Just calls you a bitch every morning.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I mean, really all you need to do is just go watch his videos. If you wanna get motivated, just go watch those, that guy's videos.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. What do... Do people ever go through, like, just go stay with him, and just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he's done that before. David Iler? Is that who it... what... No, uh, what was his name? Uh... Who he stayed with? The d- yeah, the dude that wrote the book. Yeah. Fuck. I can't believe I can't remember his name.
- BSBrian Simpson
Like, he's on some like Diamond Dallas Page shit, where like he'll just...
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he... not, not really. No, this dude was writing a book. Jesse (fingers snap) Itzler? Yes. Yeah. That's it. Um, stayed with him. And, you know, D- David's like, "All right, we s-... we're gonna train. And, you know, you're gonna do whatever the fuck I tell you to do, and we're gonna do it..." I, I forget how many days he did it for. He wrote, Dave wrote a book about it, right? Like Living with a Navy Seal?
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's it. I think, (laughs) I think he did it for like 30 days.
- BSBrian Simpson
You, this... You probably gotta pass a physical just to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, oh yeah, you could die. You could definitely die. He could definitely have a heart attack.
- BSBrian Simpson
But see, that's the thing. He don't care if he die.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's ready to die.
- BSBrian Simpson
Remember he had, he had some, something happen, some kind of heart thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Rhabdomyolysis. He had rhabdomyolysis. He's had a bunch of things. He had, he's had heart surgery, uh, but he had rhabdomyolysis that he got because... Rhabdo is when you push yourself so hard. Let's put that in to Perplexity, our sponsor, and find out exactly what rhabdomyolysis is, 'cause I'm gonna fuck this up. Um...
- BSBrian Simpson
What is Perplexity?
- JRJoe Rogan
We got a, we got a AI sponsor.
- BSBrian Simpson
No bullshit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Perplexity, yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
What is it, like, a doctor?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, it's a, it's an AI. It's an AI, um, large language model, and it gives you answers.... um, so processes when muscle tissue damaged by trauma, ex- excessive exercise, prolonged immobility, metabolic or genetic disorders, infections, toxins, or certain medications. So obviously in David Goggins' cl- case, excessive exercise. So the muscle cell breaks down substances like myoglobin, creat- uh, creatine kinase, electrolytes, and enzymes leak into the blood. Myoglobin filtered by the kidneys can cause urine to turn dark brown or red, and in large amounts can cause acute kidney failure. So when your piss starts looking like Diet Coke, that's when you know-
- BSBrian Simpson
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you got a problem.
- BSBrian Simpson
I think you just gave Hollywood the worst idea.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nah.
- BSBrian Simpson
Instead of people coughing into a napkin so you know they're sick, (laughs) they gonna be-
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs) Tasting-
- 13:57 – 21:22
Combat sambo, Fedor, and heavyweight GOAT debates (with a sponsor break)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a very high... It's also, like, very high level training too. It's not just discipline. It's like they're very technical. Abdulmanap, who is, uh, Khabib's dad, was a phenomenal trainer. Just, just phenomenal.
- BSBrian Simpson
But where did, where did he learn all of that shit?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's all, you know, Russian sambo and th- they all have, like, a long history of... Like, I, I think his dad... Let's, let's, let's Google this just to make sure I'm not speaking out of my ass. But, you know, you gotta think of like sambo or combat sambo is, that's where Fedor Emelianenko came from too. So Russian sambo is like MMA, but they wear like a judo gi top, and they have shorts on, and wrestling shoes, MMA gloves, and fucking headgear. And they have combat sambo championships. They throw each other using the gi. They, they have ground and pound. They're kicking and punching. It's cr- it's a crazy sport.
- BSBrian Simpson
So it sounds like judo mixed with-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like judo mixed-
- BSBrian Simpson
... boxing.
- JRJoe Rogan
... with MMA.
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
But they're wearing wrestling shoes. Like, it is, it's really kind of crazy.
- BSBrian Simpson
But there's no ground and pound?
- JRJoe Rogan
There's ground and pound. Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
Huh?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's basically kinda MMA. So Abdulmanap, uh, he was named by the Russian Book of Records as the most successful combat sambo coach in the country. Uh, so he was the head coach of Eagles MMA, coached two UFC champions, his son, Khabib Nurmagomedov, as well as Islam Makhachev. Um, but... So he practiced from a young age while serving the Soviet Army, Soviet Army. He began to practice judo and sambo. First big success as a coach came with his brother. Nurmagomed, Nurmagomedov won at the World Sambo Championship for Ukraine's national team in '92. He trained a total of 18 world champions th- through his coaching career. That's how good that guy was, 18 world champions.
- BSBrian Simpson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's crazy. Show, show them a video of combat sambo. Like, um...
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, I will.
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat) How about show Fedor competing in combat sambo? It's kind of crazy when you see him, because he was competing in combat sambo, I believe while he was also fighting in MMA. He was still competing-
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for, for Russia in combat sambo.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. And, and there's a difference between combat sambo and some other kind?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Well, there's sambo, which is like, um, just the grappling art of sambo. But look, look at this. They, they're fighting with punches, with the grappling gi on and shoes on. This is crazy, right?
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh, wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat) Isn't that nuts? They got wrestling shoes on, shin pads.
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh, no knees. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Um, they, they can't throw knees here? Is that what's going on?
- BSBrian Simpson
It, I mean, it l-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know. I don't know what the rules are.
- BSBrian Simpson
'Cause I feel like if they, if they could, he would have thrown one right there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Pretty crazy, man. So that's Fedor when he was world champion in MMA. Maybe the greatest of all time. He's definitely in the argument of the greatest of all time.
- BSBrian Simpson
Fedor?
- 21:22 – 26:19
Altitude strategy: Mexico City, oxygen tents, and comedy festivals at elevation
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, what happened with Cain is he didn't adjust to Mexico City, so they had a fight. Cain and Fabricio fought in Mexico City. And, uh, Mexico City I think is like 7,000 feet above sea level.
- NANarrator
Word?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Put that in there. Let's see what Plexity says about that. I'm pretty sure that's the case though. I think it's about 7,000 feet above sea level and it's real thin air. Also, it's a lot of pollution, so it's not like the best air. Like it's- it's not much air and it's polluted.
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, um, Fabricio got there way early, like months, months in advance. Uh, 7,350 feet, yeah, above sea level. So real, real high altitude already, so your cardio's already gonna be taxed-
- NANarrator
Yeah, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
... if you're a heavyweight.
- NANarrator
Yeah, that's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's 2,000 feet above Denver.
- NANarrator
But why didn't he go? Did he have a good reason?
- JRJoe Rogan
I think there was some domestic issues.
- NANarrator
Oh, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
So I think someone didn't want him leaving, you know? And he got y- he only got a chance to be out there I think for two weeks, and that's not enough time.
- NANarrator
That's not even close.
- JRJoe Rogan
Not even close. Uh, Fabricio was up there I think for six months. I think they told him that he was gonna be fighting for the title, and I think he went up there for... I might be talking out of school, but it was many months. It was at least four months, and he was up in the mountains above Mexico City. So he's like, "Fuck it. Let's go 9,000 feet. Let's get crazy." And so got accustomed to even higher altitude, and then when he came down he was in prime shape, and he caught Cain in a guillotine and submitted him. It was nuts. It was like seeing him... He's s- li- like I said, he submitted three of the greatest of all time. Like that- that alone you gotta think... So he showed up two months earl- Werdum did his homework prior to the fight, showed up two months early, and established a training camp in the mountains, conditioning his body to even higher elevation around 12,000 feet. So I was wrong on both counts. It wasn't four months, it was two months, and he was at 12,000 feet, which is fucking crazy.
- NANarrator
Yeah, that's, um, yeah, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
He said, "For the first two weeks, uh, I was here, it felt as if I'd never trained before at all. I was so tired." So if you got r- used to doing that... Okay, so... Okay, Cain only went 10 days early. Oh my God.
- NANarrator
See, I feel like that's some shit that Georges St-Pierre would do just for every fight. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Go to 12,000 feet-
- NANarrator
Just (laughs) get on a oxygen deprivation tank or something.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, BJ was doing that for a while. BJ Penn was sleeping in a tent. See, it was a plastic tent that he would, uh, seal off and he would sleep inside of it. Like you put it up around his bed, and there was a thing that you, you s- it sucked oxygen out of the air there, and it made it like you were sleeping at high elevation. Apparently that's the move. The move is sleep at high elevation but train at low elevation, and the reason for that is when you train at lower elevation, you have more oxygen, you can get more reps, you can put in more rounds, you can put in more work.
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So... And then the recovery is where you really want your body to be adapting, so then once you're done training, go back up. Like say if you were training in, like, in, like, in the valley, and then you went up to Big Bear, and you were sleeping at Big Bear, which is like... I think Big Bear's like 6,000 feet or something like that.
- NANarrator
But doesn't that only work if you're- if the fight, isn't...
- BSBrian Simpson
... is not a elevation? Like, if you're fighting it-
- JRJoe Rogan
No. No. The idea is sleeping at altitude is all you need. Sleeping at alti- altitude gets your body... It's, the whole thing is about getting your body to sort of adapt to this new altitude.
- BSBrian Simpson
So, if you just sleep at altitude-
- JRJoe Rogan
And it'll adapt.
- BSBrian Simpson
... you can fight at altitude?
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- 26:19 – 40:02
Comedy gatekeepers, diversity pressure, and why stand-up is a true meritocracy
- JRJoe Rogan
But it used to... See, those things used to be effective. It used to be you would, you know, take time off the road, go to Montreal, do your best set, and maybe you'd get a development deal, and if you got a development deal, maybe you'd get a sitcom. That was the whole... That was the carrot that they dangled on the end of the stick.
- BSBrian Simpson
Right. Like, career changing potential.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Like, for some people it was career changing. It really was. Um, but that stopped. And then so it was like, "Why are we going to these festivals?"
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"'Cause I'm not getting anything out of this other than you selling tickets."
- BSBrian Simpson
Well, I think that, I think that, that's happened, that happened to... What happened to most of the institutions in comedy, or just show business period is the people that used to be the tastemakers, the people that used to tell the business-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrian Simpson
... who was next-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
... I think people get... 'Cause this happens all the time. There'll be some good com... There'll be some, somebody will start a comedy show, then all of a sudden somebody will g- g- make it from that show.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrian Simpson
And then it becomes the show in the scene-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrian Simpson
... or in the city, and then they start wanting to maintain that reputation. So, instead of them just fucking with who they believe in, they'll s- wait to see who has a little momentum.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
So they, they kind of give it up. Th- they wait for the industry to tell them who's popping.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BSBrian Simpson
And yeah, it happened to The Store, it happened to JFL, it happened to all these places. And, and maybe people are... Maybe it's coming back now.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you also have to realize, who are these people?
- BSBrian Simpson
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're just people that got jobs working for whatever media company that is, whether it's NBC or Netflix, whatever it is. They're just people that got jobs. They might not have any idea, like, how a joke is made, what the process is of developing material, who's got talent, who's derivative. They prob- pro- They might not have any idea, but what they do is they lick their fucking finger and they hold it up, and which- whatever way the wind's blowing, they pretend they're a genius.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's what they do. And oftentimes they'll dismiss someone who turns out to be the best one of the lot. It's real common, man. And then they always want to stand by those ideas. Like, "Ah, I don't see it." And like, okay, the guy's fucking selling out arenas.
- BSBrian Simpson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, I think you missed it. And, but it happens a lot.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It happens a lot with these folks 'cause they, they're, they're not artists. They're just businesspeople and they're pretending to be artists. It's weird. Like, some of them give you advice.
- BSBrian Simpson
But some people do have... Like, there's a, there's a, there's a talent for dealing with talent that some people do have. Most-
- JRJoe Rogan
Adam Egott.
- BSBrian Simpson
Right. Exactly.
- 40:02 – 45:37
Viral culture rabbit hole: Baby Shark economics and the rise of mystery-box collectibles
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. I co- I completely missed the, um, the Baby Shark thing. I just started hearing people talk about it in jokes. (smacks lips)
- JRJoe Rogan
Baby Shark?
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, apparently it's like the number one YouTube... It's the most streamed YouTube video, right, Jimmy?
- NANarrator
Um, I mean, it, this, this is a couple years ago, guys.
- BSBrian Simpson
But it's, it's still number one though, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
I, I completely missed it.
- BSBrian Simpson
That's what I'm saying.
- NANarrator
Baby Shark, doo, doo, doo, doo.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
See?
- JRJoe Rogan
Baby Shark, doo, doo, doo, doo.
- NANarrator
Yeah. That's right. I remember it.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah, I, I had literally hadn't heard that song, it had been out for maybe a year and a half and I hadn't heard anything about it. I just heard a comic making jokes about it and usually when something's in the pop culture, everyone will be trying to have their own take on it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrian Simpson
So then I heard another comic say a joke about it, I'm like, "What the fuck is that?" And sure enough, it's like, I completely missed it. How could I? I mean, I don't have kids. That makes sense.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what it is. Okay, this is it?
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
That video? That's a big video? I've never seen that video.
- NANarrator
No, I'm good.
- JRJoe Rogan
The world's most watched YouTube video hasn't made its creator rich. What?
- BSBrian Simpson
Huh?
- JRJoe Rogan
How come? Hold on. Uh, company behind ubiquitous song is hampered by ad restrictions on children's content, wants to raise funds for expansion. What does that mean? Raise funds? You had one viral video. You ain't a company.
- NANarrator
16.4 billion views.
- JRJoe Rogan
(gasps)
- BSBrian Simpson
That's insane.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they can't make money?
- NANarrator
It says roughly equivalent to Taylor Swift's 10 most popular YouTube videos combined.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- 45:37 – 1:02:52
Furries, kink psychology, 4chan trolling, and what counts as “real” online
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, did you hear the latest? That that dude who, uh, shot Trump, um, might have been a furry?
- NANarrator
Yeah, I saw that they found some more stuff.
- BSBrian Simpson
What?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. They think he was a furry.
- NANarrator
That's like an art piece. It's not really quite a Labooboo, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh. Well, that's not really human-sized either.
- NANarrator
Yeah. Human-sized Labooboo doll sold for $150,000.
- JRJoe Rogan
Let me see what it looks like.
- BSBrian Simpson
But what they mean, might have been a furry? Did... I feel like you would know or not know that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, they're finding stuff... Like, let's, let's find out.
- NANarrator
Oh, this is...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, there it is. There's the big Labooboo. Whatever.
- BSBrian Simpson
This lady invented them?
- JRJoe Rogan
She invented Labooboo?
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
How... Again, how? How does that work? How does that catch on? How does that catch on?
- BSBrian Simpson
I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, Build-A-Bear has been in the fucking mall forever.
- BSBrian Simpson
I mean, I th-... I think I know what it is. It's probably some fucking hot... Smoking hot, uh, K-pop star.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrian Simpson
Probably they saw her with one on.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs) Yeah.
- BSBrian Simpson
You know that there's certain women w-... They follow, and anytime she does any fashion thing-
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh.
- BSBrian Simpson
... it- it just spreads like wildfire.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, there's a thing that does happen when an... Ever... A popular person starts, like, wearing a thing.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. They- they literally tricked all women into wearing di-... And- and wanting a diamond from-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you remember when-
- BSBrian Simpson
Just getting the actress to do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Judas Priest, um, dr-... Had everybody dressing up like a gay motorcycle gang member.
- 1:02:52 – 1:38:12
Distrust and disclosure: infiltration, Epstein/JFK files, and government overreach history
- JRJoe Rogan
Also, all those, whether it's the right-wing movements, like Proud Boys, or whether it's Antifa, they get infiltrated. Those guys get infiltrated by government officials, 100 fucking percent. I guarantee you there's some FBI agents in Antifa, and I guarantee you there's some FBI agents that are in the Proud Boys.
- BSBrian Simpson
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs) I think the head of the Proud Boys was already outed as, uh, an FBI informant. Isn't that true? I think that, uh, find that out. Google that.
- BSBrian Simpson
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- BSBrian Simpson
That's not shocking at all.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think-
- BSBrian Simpson
Every single movement gets infiltrated.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think he still went to jail, too. I think he still went to jail for January 6th.
- BSBrian Simpson
Yeah. I mean, they still locked up, uh, free-
- JRJoe Rogan
Let's see. Let, let's see. What does it say? Have the Proud Boys been revealed to have been an FBI informant? Enrico Tarrio. Tarrio served as the national chairman of the Proud Boys from 2018 to 2021 and was a central figure in the group's activities, including its role in the January 6th, 2021 Capitol riot. However, it was later disclosed that Tarrio worked as an informant for federal and local law enforcement agencies between 2012 and 2014 prior to his leadership in the Pl- Proud Boys.
- BSBrian Simpson
Oh, beforehand?
- JRJoe Rogan
That's even crazier. That's even crazier. Like, what, are they telling us the truth? Like, that he's not doing it anymore? It's like, fucking who knows, man? It's, it's layers upon layers. It's those Russian nesting dolls-
- BSBrian Simpson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and you open it, and there's another one in there, and you open it, there's another one in there.
- BSBrian Simpson
Corruptions it all the time. Bro, the, the, the, uh, the Epstein files.
- JRJoe Rogan
I heard there's no files. I heard it's a, a hoax.
- BSBrian Simpson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And then all of a sudden, he's gonna release the files. Well, I thought there was no files.
- BSBrian Simpson
Man-
- JRJoe Rogan
He wants an investigation now.
- BSBrian Simpson
Listen.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what is going on?
- NANarrator
They voted 427 to one.
- BSBrian Simpson
Who was, who was the one?
- NANarrator
Uh, he re-... I've, I didn't see why he said, but he did say-
- JRJoe Rogan
National security.
- BSBrian Simpson
(laughs) No fucking way you gonna be the one.
- NANarrator
National security.
- BSBrian Simpson
No, no way. If you found out-
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