Joe Rogan Experience #2416 - Dan Farah

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Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Uh, what's up, Dan? How are you? Good to see you.

Dan Farah 0:15 Good. Good to see you, man.

Joe Rogan 0:16 Good to see you again. Uh, first time that I saw you was the first time I saw your documentary, which is fucking excellent.

Dan Farah 0:21 Thank you, bro.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Uh, The Age of Disclosure, really good. Can't recommend it enough. If you're a UFO dork like myself and you're in and out, like sometimes you're like, "This is bullshit. Maybe it's real. This is bullshit. Maybe I'm wasting my time. Maybe it's real. Maybe it's..." Go see The Age of Disclosure.

Dan Farah 0:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:37 And then you'll be fully in the "I don't fucking know, but who... Something's going on." That's where I am right now.

Dan Farah 0:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:43 I don't know, but something's going on.

Dan Farah 0:46 Definitely something going on. It's a real situation.

Joe Rogan 0:48 Yeah, it's a real weird one. When you see all these like high-level government employees talking about secret access programs and back engineering programs that have been going on for decades and decades in secrecy, and you're like... Your documentary did a fantastic job of highlighting a couple of reasons why I always... When people are skeptical and they go, "Oh, okay, if there was a program like this, why wouldn't they just tell us?" You, you have to really understand the consequences of what they've done, 'cause what they've done is lie to Congress-

Dan Farah 1:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19 ... for a long time. It's a misappropriation of funds, clear felonies. Like... (laughs)

Dan Farah 1:25 Yeah. Lie to the public-

Joe Rogan 1:25 Yeah.

Dan Farah 1:26 ... lie to Congress, lie to sitting presidents.

Joe Rogan 1:27 The m- just the money stuff, and also, let's just be really... Let's be just honest about human nature. If you have complete access to enormous amounts of money that's not under any oversight at all-

Dan Farah 1:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42 ... for sure some of it-

Dan Farah 1:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:45 (laughs) Some of it went in the pockets of people that probably shouldn't have got it. 100%.

Dan Farah 1:49 I think it's safe to say.

Joe Rogan 1:50 100%, has to be.

Dan Farah 1:52 Everyone I've talked to who, who's aware of the details of the deeply hidden legacy program says that it's at least over a trillion dollars spent since the '40s.

Joe Rogan 1:59 Oh, my God.

Dan Farah 2:00 It's an enormous amount of money.

Joe Rogan 2:01 Oh, my God.

Dan Farah 2:02 And it's a much bigger program than people would suspect.

Joe Rogan 2:05 Well, this-

Dan Farah 2:05 You're talking thousands of people, full-time jobs, them going home to their families, the guy sitting next to your kid's Little League baseball game. You know, normal people on the outside are involved in this deeply hidden program. It's bonkers.

Joe Rogan 2:17 And the idea, this is another thing that drives me nuts, the idea that people can't keep secrets. Shut the fuck up.

Dan Farah 2:23 No.

Joe Rogan 2:23 Yes, they can.

Dan Farah 2:24 If you're told your reputation-

Joe Rogan 2:25 Some people-

Dan Farah 2:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Some people can't keep secrets.

Dan Farah 2:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:28 But by the time you get to be a high-level operative in the United States government, I'm guessing you can keep a fucking secret.

Dan Farah 2:34 Yeah, and if you're told-

Joe Rogan 2:36 Yeah.

Dan Farah 2:36 ... "Hey, you could d- disappear one day or-"

Joe Rogan 2:38 Right.

Dan Farah 2:38 "... you could have your reputation ruined."

Joe Rogan 2:40 Right.

Dan Farah 2:40 "You're, you're gonna get blackmailed about this or that," you're just gonna keep quiet.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Yeah, people can keep secrets.

Dan Farah 2:45 And-

Joe Rogan 2:45 And, uh, by the way, not everybody does.

Dan Farah 2:47 No.

Joe Rogan 2:48 The Bob Lazar story, to this day, is like... That, that documentary by Jeremy Corbell was the reason why I went all the way back in with UFOs. I'm like, "All right, goddamn it, I believe Bob." (laughs)

Dan Farah 2:59 It's a great doc.

Joe Rogan 3:00 It's a great doc.

Dan Farah 3:01 It's a great doc.

Joe Rogan 3:01 And that o- that one's available. It's, uh, Area 50... Bob Lazar Area 51 and Flying Saucers? Is that the name of it, the title of it?

Dan Farah 3:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:08 Something along those lines. Fantastic documentary.

Dan Farah 3:10 For, for me like, I... Look, my childhood was the '80s and early '90s, so I grew up-

Joe Rogan 3:13 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 3:13 ... on movies like ET and Close Encounters and TV shows like X-Files and-

Joe Rogan 3:17 Yeah.

Dan Farah 3:17 ... movies like Fire in the Sky. Remember that movie?

Joe Rogan 3:19 Oh, yeah.

Dan Farah 3:20 And-

Joe Rogan 3:20 I had Travis in here.

Dan Farah 3:21 Yeah, you did. I love that interview.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Fantastic.

Dan Farah 3:23 That movie, that movie gave me nightmares. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:25 Crazy, 'cause-

Dan Farah 3:26 Kept me up as a kid.

Joe Rogan 3:27 All those g- A couple of those guys on that crew hated him.

Dan Farah 3:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Like, one of them, he got in a fistfight with that day.

Dan Farah 3:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:32 And that guy had the exact same story that everybody else had.

Dan Farah 3:34 Wow.

Joe Rogan 3:34 He got hit by a beam of light. They went back to get him. He was gone. Then five days later he shows up.

Dan Farah 3:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:41 You know, he's not malnourished. He's not like... He's not m- hasn't been sleeping in the woods.

Dan Farah 3:45 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 3:46 And he's got this fucking insane story about being repaired on a UFO.

Dan Farah 3:50 Yeah, and all those guys passed lie detector tests.

Joe Rogan 3:52 Yes, all of them did.

Dan Farah 3:53 The, uh, you know, like movies like that, I'm sure for millions of people around the world, same thing. It just made me curious about this, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:58 Yeah.

Dan Farah 3:59 My whole life, I'm like, "Are we alone in the universe? Does the US government know more about this than, than we do," right? And I always wished that there was a documentary that only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of the topic as a result to work for the government, and that was, that was the real drive in making this film. Everybody fits that criteria, you know?

Joe Rogan 4:16 Here's the fear that everyone has, including myself, and it, it is the way... This, this is the main fear that I have whenever I sit down with any whistleblower. Um, how many of them are, on purpose, that their directive, that their ob- their objective is to spread misinformation on purpose on behalf of the government, that they're, they're there to just bullshit you? But if-

Dan Farah 4:38 Yeah, no, of course I had that, I had that thought, but for me, I stopped worrying about that when I met one intelligence official, government official, military official after another who had completely different ideological v- views, different political beliefs, they weren't associated with each other, and they were all saying the same thing.

Joe Rogan 4:58 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 4:59 And so I just don't... The, the alternative to everything these people are saying in my film being true is that 34 people of different political parties, different government groups, with different aspirations all got together four years ago and decided to tell this elaborate lie randomly with me in a movie-

Joe Rogan 5:18 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 5:19 ... and for what end?

Joe Rogan 5:21 Well-

Dan Farah 5:21 It doesn't make any sense.

Joe Rogan 5:22 There's a couple ends, right? One of them could be they're being told to do this because this is a real thing, but it's different than what they're saying, and they're trying to get one narrative out there.

Dan Farah 5:36 Well-

Joe Rogan 5:37 Right, like let's imagine that there's a c- current coordinated effort with the United States government and some sort of alien intelligence.

Dan Farah 5:45 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:47 Wouldn't it behoove you to make it more of a mystery? Like, "We've been trying. We've been... The, we have found things, but we don't know what they are, and we're back engineering, but we don't know much."

Dan Farah 5:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:56 But we... Meanwhile, they know way more.

Dan Farah 5:59 Well, yeah, look-

Joe Rogan 5:59 Like that's just one scenario.

Dan Farah 6:00 That could be a scenario, but in this case, you have the people who... Like, like Rubio, who found out what's going on-

Joe Rogan 6:06 Right.

Dan Farah 6:06 ... who think it is very urgent that the public get caught up and find out the base facts.

Joe Rogan 6:12 Yeah.

Dan Farah 6:12 His biggest fear, clearly, is we are in a high-stakes-... technology race, a Cold War race, with adversarial nations like China, to reverse engineer technology of non-human origin. And his fear, he literally says in the film, is that if we don't get our act together and take this more seriously as a country, we're gonna wake up one day, we're gonna find out the hard way that China got there. We won't know when or how, but to quote him, "We will be screwed." And he, you could feel it. Like, I did all the interviews myself. I'm like this close to him. His chin buckled when he said it. He was dead serious, and he was super concerned, and you could feel it. And that was the vibe with Senator Rounds, Senator Gillibrand. Jim Clapper, a guy who's never talked about this topic in his life. He's in his 80s. He was the head of Air Force Intelligence. He was the Director of National Intelligence. Never publicly spoken about UAP. He goes on, he comes out and does the interview, and he told me, (clears throat) excuse me, he told me that he was doing it because it was important to do and that the people needed to know. And he, he drops the bomb in the film that, that UAP activity over Area 51 is real. It's, in fact, real. And he goes on the record saying that the Air Force has had a program to investigate this stuff. Whereas the Air Force is saying they haven't had a program since Project Blue Book. So, I think the people that I interviewed really felt like a weight on their shoulders to get this off their chest. And to give you more context on Clapper, the guy, the poor guy's wife was in the hospital dying. He left the hospital to come do the interview. And I actually said to him, I was like, "Are you sure you want to do this today?" And he's like, "No, I want to do it. It's important."

Joe Rogan 7:39 Wow.

Dan Farah 7:39 So, like, I think ... I, I really felt it. These people all f- felt like the public needed to know the base facts that they could lawfully disclose, and to me, the more wild thing is, if this is all, if what they reveal in this film, the fact that there's been an 80-year coverup of non-human intelligent life, that we're in a secret high-stakes race with adversarial nations, if that's what they can lawfully disclose, dude, what's on the other side of that line?

Joe Rogan 8:02 Right.

Dan Farah 8:02 What's the stuff they can't disclose?

Joe Rogan 8:03 Right.

Dan Farah 8:03 You know?

Joe Rogan 8:04 Yeah. Um, when you're talking to these people, how many of 'em have had, uh, personal experiences that they either can or cannot talk about? Or how many of, uh, has anyone had some sort of personal experience with either a craft or seen something-

Dan Farah 8:22 Yeah, yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 8:24 ... that they couldn't talk about?

Dan Farah 8:26 That they ... There were some scenarios that they couldn't talk about, and then there were some scenarios they could talk about. Um, but yes. Uh, Jay Stratton, for example, who ran the US government's UAP Task Force, he was the director of-

Joe Rogan 8:38 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 8:39 ... the UAP Task Force. He co-founded AAWSAP with Jim McCaskey, which grew into AATIP. Um, he has seen with his own eyes, non-human craft and non-human beings. Some situations that he can't talk about, some situations that he, he can. And I know he intends to talk about those in the very near future.

Joe Rogan 9:01 Yeah, I've talked to him. Um, so is that the only one that saw a non-human being that you talked to?

Dan Farah 9:10 No. Talked to s- couple people who have.

Joe Rogan 9:13 And were they similar stories?

Dan Farah 9:15 They were similar stories. They, they, they described the beings looking ... The reference point they gave me was very similar to the beings depicted in Close Encounters. That is the description they used.

Joe Rogan 9:31 Yeah.

Dan Farah 9:32 The, um ... In terms of the crafts, one of the interviews in the film that I'm really proud of, um, an Air Force security guard who worked at Vanderberg Air Force Base, who's never gone public, witnessed with his own eyes, along with five other security forces members, a giant UAP the size of a football field that came over Vanderberg Air Force Base, hovered over them, and then shot off at thousands of miles an hour. And he went on the record on camera. He's never talked about it publicly. He's never pursued press or, you know, tried to do anything with this experience.

Joe Rogan 10:10 Right.

Dan Farah 10:11 And he broke his silence in this film 'cause he thought it was really important that the world know the truth.

Joe Rogan 10:15 Did you ask him if there's any footage? I would imagine Vanderberg has some pretty tight security.

Dan Farah 10:19 Yeah, he thinks that there is, uh, security camera footage of this.

Joe Rogan 10:24 But he's never seen it.

Dan Farah 10:25 He's never seen it, no.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Good Lord, people.

Dan Farah 10:26 He's, him and five, it was him-

Joe Rogan 10:28 Ah-

Dan Farah 10:28 ... and five other guys saw it with their own eyes. They all reported it. There's official, um, Air Force police blogger reports of it. I got ahold of the, the police report, put, we put it on screen in the film.

Joe Rogan 10:38 That's what drives me crazy. All this could be cleared up if they released the, whatever high resolution security camera footage they have. I w- I would imagine they have top-notch sec- security camera footage around major military facilities.

Dan Farah 10:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:51 Right?

Dan Farah 10:51 Yeah. I mean, that's one of the hurdles we have to get past. We have to-

Joe Rogan 10:54 These motherfuckers are holding on-

Dan Farah 10:55 ... declassify this stuff.

Joe Rogan 10:55 They've got this, fucking ... It's just like, it, that's shouldn't be yours, like-

Dan Farah 11:00 No.

Joe Rogan 11:00 That should be the United States government-

Dan Farah 11:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:03 ... y- has an obligation to give that to the people of the world.

Dan Farah 11:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:06 That's what that should be.

Dan Farah 11:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:06 If you have footage of a fucking UFO-

Dan Farah 11:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:09 ... a real one.

Dan Farah 11:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:10 And you really have a video of it going thousands of miles an hour just disappearing into the sky.

Dan Farah 11:14 Yeah, 100%. I mean, I don't think any government or organization or religion, an- anyone should be able to gatekeep these fundamental facts, you know?

Joe Rogan 11:22 I know, but the problem is until you see it, it's just talk. You know? Well, if you saw it and you know the, you, you, you know the, like the chain of command, like where it came from, or, uh, chain of custody rather, where it came from. It's, hasn't been molested, have analysts test it, it's not AI, it's not bullshit, it's not edited. Okay, what is it?

Dan Farah 11:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:40 And then we could talk. But until then, like what do we have? We have the go fast footage, we have the gimbal footage, and we have, uh, the very, uh, kind of grainy, weird TikTok footage. It's hard to tell what it is-

Dan Farah 11:51 Exactly, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:51 ... because you're looking at it from-

Dan Farah 11:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:53 ... the instrumentation of the fighter jets.

Dan Farah 11:55 Yeah, but there is also other, um-There is also other, uh, data on the Tic Tac incident that's classified that shows this was a real object that was really there.

Joe Rogan 12:06 Jamie's showing me something. What are you showing me, Jamie?

Narrator 12:08 This is, uh, Ryan Graves talking about the big red UFO that hovered over Vandenberg in 2003.

Dan Farah 12:14 Yeah, so that happened in the afternoon, and then that night, this giant craft came over the base that, uh, is revealed in my film. It was a second event-

Joe Rogan 12:22 So it says right here, "The executive director of the..." Graves, who's been on the podcast before, awesome guy.

Dan Farah 12:28 Yeah, Ryan Graves is awesome. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:29 Uh, "Sighting occurred around 8:45 AM followed by a second sighting only hours later. He said witnesses provided him with information about the mysterious incidents as they held onto official documentation and records from the event over the years."

Dan Farah 12:42 Yeah.

Narrator 12:42 All right.

Dan Farah 12:42 And so later that night-

Joe Rogan 12:43 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 12:43 ... there was another-

Joe Rogan 12:43 It says right here, "Later in the evening, post sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors. These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before darting off." (laughs) Like Close Encounters, like literally like the movie.

Dan Farah 12:59 Yeah, and then-

Joe Rogan 13:00 I just wonder how much Steven Spielberg, I'd love to talk to him about that, how much he dove into it before he made that film 'cause, you know, he had the Jacques Valet character, that French scientist.

Dan Farah 13:10 I think he learned a lot in the '70s. People forget, he also wrote Poltergeist.

Joe Rogan 13:13 Right, yeah.

Dan Farah 13:14 This guy knew what was going on, um, early on. But put yourself in the shoes of those security guards at Vanderberg. Can you imagine just being a normal guy? You're working your security shift.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Right.

Dan Farah 13:24 You look up and there's something the size of a football field over you.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Hovering silently.

Dan Farah 13:28 Massive object, no windows. It's fucking terrifying and it's crazy. And it cha- he says, uh, y- we did a New York City premiere, uh, couple nights ago, Tuesday night. We did it on the Intrepid aircraft carrier.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Oh, wow.

Dan Farah 13:38 It was awesome. And Fravor and Graves came, which it was great to be on an aircraft carrier with, you know, Fravor and Graves.

Joe Rogan 13:43 That's awesome, man.

Dan Farah 13:43 Um, Fravor loved it. He's like, "I'm back on a carrier, baby."

Joe Rogan 13:47 (laughs)

Dan Farah 13:47 He, uh, it was, it was classic. But, um, the witness from Vanderberg came and he, y- we did a little talk after for, for the audience and he said it changed his life. He just completely looks at everything differently now.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Oh, how could it not?

Dan Farah 14:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:00 How could it not? Yeah, I mean, if you see something like that.

Dan Farah 14:02 Totally humbling and also-

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah.

Dan Farah 14:05 ... you know, eye-opening. Um, there's several people in the film, military, military guys who talk about what they experienced and saw on military bases, especially nuclear bases. Um, which is, which is, goes back to one of the biggest concerns the leaders in my film have. Almost all the activity is over our nuclear weapon sites and military bases. Our defense capabilities and our nuclear progress essentially are being monitored, and why is that?

Joe Rogan 14:38 'Cause it's dangerous as fuck.

Dan Farah 14:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:40 'Cause as Terrence McKenna described us, we're territorial, uh, apes with thermonuclear weapons.

Dan Farah 14:45 We're violent species. Yeah, yeah. And so-

Joe Rogan 14:46 It's a ridiculous position.

Dan Farah 14:47 Yeah, and so that's clear to me, too. And, and then you think about, okay, well, where does all this go? Like, comes to a crossroads, right? Like, they've been here a long time, they've been monitoring us a long time, but now we've evolved to be dangerous and we're either at, through secret programs, their level, or we're about to be. And then that's when you get to a crossroad. So I think that's one of the things driving officials like Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand and Jay Strat and, um, to come out and say what they legally can because it's a set of circumstances that the human population really needs to know about and then it's become a humanitarian issue. How do we deal with this?

Joe Rogan 15:24 Right, and what is it, right? What is their purpose? If they are real, are they here to help us? Are they monitoring us? One of the creepiest things that Bob Lazar said is that w- they look at us like containers.

Dan Farah 15:38 Yeah, I mean...

Joe Rogan 15:38 And I was like, "What does that mean?" Con- like, con- containers of souls is what I interpreted from it, but that's just me. But like what does that mean, containers?

Dan Farah 15:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:47 Like, like it seems like human beings have an insatiable desire to innovate and create better technology, and that seems to be leading us into AI and seems to be leading us into probably what connects us with the rest of the universe, the rest of the intelligence of the universe. But the stuff that got us here is being these territorial apes, you know. That's why we developed cities and that's why we developed agriculture and that's why we, we had enough free time to innovate. We had enough free time to invent things and change things. But our nature is really what holds us back 'cause we're still constantly warring. Like, it hasn't changed at all.

Dan Farah 16:30 No, it's crazy that we're still threatening nuclear war 80 years after, you know-

Joe Rogan 16:33 Yeah.

Dan Farah 16:33 ... dropping the bomb on Japan. We're still invading sovereign nations.

Joe Rogan 16:36 We're involved in a proxy war. We're, you know, we're helping Israel. It's like there's so much chaos and death going on in the world because of human beings-

Dan Farah 16:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:44 ... and the decisions that they're making, that if I was an intelligent life species from somewhere else, I'd be very concerned.

Dan Farah 16:50 Yeah, I'd be like, here's these, this group of monkeys on a, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 16:53 Yeah.

Dan Farah 16:53 ... trajectory.

Joe Rogan 16:54 About to make a digital god.

Dan Farah 16:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:56 They're real close to having super intelligence-

Dan Farah 16:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:59 ... in digital form and the- these idiots are still blowing themselves up from the sky.

Dan Farah 17:03 Yeah, yeah, which also is why one of the current dilemmas exists, right? So this, this technology exists. Private defense contractors have this technology. Elements of the government have this technology.

Joe Rogan 17:14 You're convinced?

Dan Farah 17:15 Beyond, beyond convinced.

Joe Rogan 17:17 And what do you think that te- technology consists of?

Dan Farah 17:21 I have been completely convinced by multiple members of the intelligence community, the military, senior leaders in government, people who are running the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, someone who sits on the White House National Security Council, that our country has recovered dozens, dozens-

Joe Rogan 17:39 Dozens?

Dan Farah 17:39 ... of crashed craft of non-human origin and done so since the '40s and there has been success reverse engineering elements of this technology, and the same thing has been happening in China and Russia, and it's a very real situation. It's a high stakes situation. It is referred to as the atomic race on steroids and...... I am completely convinced of that. And the, and the contractors that, the defense contractors, the people like Jay Stratton and Luis Elizondo and people on the Senate Intel Committee have told me are involved are Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, Battelle, um, big companies, um, that have a lot of resources and are advancing this technology. But it's all so classified and so deeply hidden that it hinders progress.

Joe Rogan 18:28 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 18:29 And the fear that if this technology got out, it'd be used by bad actors to create weapons of mass destruction has sort of prevented the scientific progress that could be better for mankind, that could be good for mankind. Like, this, this could... This technology, to quote Hal Puthoff in the film, says... He says, "This, this is the key to interstellar travel. This is the key to exploring the galaxy. This is the key to, to, you know, things that sound like science fiction, like teleportation." Um, all these things that could just revolutionize humanity and, like, the trajectory of our species-

Joe Rogan 19:00 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 19:00 ... are being held back out of the fear that the technology will be used for evil, right?

Joe Rogan 19:07 Right.

Dan Farah 19:07 And so, you know, I love Hal Puthoff. I've gotten very close with him, and, you know, he, he makes a really-

Joe Rogan 19:13 Fascinating guy.

Dan Farah 19:13 Fascinating guy. He's the most interesting person I've ever, ever met in my life. (laughs) Um, uh, he makes a great point in the film of saying he believes, despite the risks this technology could be used for, for bad, he believes we should make it known and make it a humanitarian issue of how we all collectively go about safely using this technology to change the world for the better and avoid destruction. And we've done that. We have a blueprint for that with, with nuclear technology, right? Like, there are nuclear weapons.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 19:43 That stuff's classified. We wish they didn't exist, but it does exist. And then we also use nuclear energy for good.

Joe Rogan 19:50 Yeah, um, the, the question would be, if we're holding back 'cause we're worried that bad actors are gonna get it, is China taking the same approach? 'Cause I would imagine they're not.

Dan Farah 20:01 They're not.

Joe Rogan 20:02 I would imagine they're full bore, full steam ahead.

Dan Farah 20:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:05 Yeah.

Dan Farah 20:05 And that's, that's, that's one of the problems. Like, Ru-

Joe Rogan 20:06 That's the same thing with a lot of other technology, right?

Dan Farah 20:09 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:09 Yeah.

Dan Farah 20:10 Ru- Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand, three of the most senior leaders in our government, um, talk very openly about their concern about China and them getting ahead of us on-

Joe Rogan 20:22 Right.

Dan Farah 20:23 ... reverse engineering this technology. Rubio says it keeps him up at night. Rounds very animately s- animatedly says in the film, um, "Do you think for one second that they wouldn't use this technology for their domination, um, if they didn't think we had access to the same technology?"

Joe Rogan 20:41 How was everybody getting these crashed UFOs? What's the story behind that?

Dan Farah 20:44 So here's an interesting thing, um, one of the, one of the unexpected things I learned in talking to sources, like real credible people, is that some of the cra- some of the, the crashes were actual crashes, were just... You know, crashes happen (laughs) just like they do-

Joe Rogan 21:02 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 21:02 For, you know, you could drive as safe as possible, fly as safe as possible, crashes are gonna happen. But some of them were actually caused by elements of our military intelligence community and elements of foreign military intelligence community, community people. So, like, one of the realizations early on was that, um, atomic weapon test, uh, uh... Nuclear weapon testing, atomic wea- weapon testing crea- has a ripple effect that can down these things.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Especially high altitude nuclear testing.

Dan Farah 21:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Which is one of the things that they did in the 1950s, in particular.

Dan Farah 21:35 Yeah, and so they started doing it.

Joe Rogan 21:37 Yeah.

Dan Farah 21:37 To, like, shoot fish in a barrel, basically.

Joe Rogan 21:39 They did it on purpose?

Dan Farah 21:39 Yeah, and so did Russia.

Joe Rogan 21:40 That's why they were doing it?

Dan Farah 21:41 Yeah, and then Russia-

Joe Rogan 21:43 (laughs)

Dan Farah 21:43 ... Russia started doing it.

Joe Rogan 21:44 No. (laughs)

Dan Farah 21:44 Yeah, and then (laughs) one of the, one of the-

Joe Rogan 21:46 It's like throwing dynamite into the river-

Dan Farah 21:48 It's like fishing with dynamite, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:50 But... Yeah, fishing with dynamite. Oh my God.

Dan Farah 21:51 Yeah, and then-

Joe Rogan 21:52 That's so crazy.

Dan Farah 21:52 And which is crazy on multiple levels. A, you could accidentally provoke a nuclear conflict with another party that doesn't know what you're doing. B, um, you're y- y- you know, you're picking a fight with a more intelligent, superior species, right?

Joe Rogan 22:08 (laughs)

Dan Farah 22:08 Which is probably not gonna work out great for anybody.

Joe Rogan 22:11 They probably couldn't believe we were using nukes in the sky. "These fucking idiots nuked some of our spaceships."

Dan Farah 22:17 And the ocean.

Joe Rogan 22:19 Yeah, we nuked the ocean a ton of times, right?

Dan Farah 22:20 Yeah, and there's a ton of UAP activity in the ocean.

Joe Rogan 22:22 Right.

Dan Farah 22:22 Which is-

Joe Rogan 22:23 That's something that Tim Burchett re- recently talked about. Did you ever... Did you see that?

Dan Farah 22:26 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:27 Yeah.

Dan Farah 22:27 Yeah, I mean, I've, I've talked off the record with admirals and sub commanders and been told that these giant football-sized crafts that were seen over Vanderberg, for example-

Joe Rogan 22:37 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 22:38 ... have been seen under the ocean.

Joe Rogan 22:39 Whoa.

Dan Farah 22:40 Moving at crazy speeds, tracked by our subs.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Yeah, they, they said there was one story of one that was the size of a football field that was going 500 knots.

Dan Farah 22:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:49 Underwater with no ripples.

Dan Farah 22:50 Yeah. So it makes... Starts to make you think, like, not only was Spielberg tipped off early on, but may- maybe James Cameron was too. Maybe the abyss is a lot closer to reality than-

Joe Rogan 22:58 Right.

Dan Farah 22:58 ... than, than we ever thought.

Joe Rogan 22:59 Well, there was always stories about things coming from the ocean, and there was always stories of people that lived in, like, the Pacific, like on the coast-

Dan Farah 23:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 ... of seeing things come out of the ocean. Particularly somewhere around San Diego, there's, there's always stories around San Diego.

Dan Farah 23:11 There's a hot spot there, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:12 Yeah.

Dan Farah 23:12 Congressman Carson, Andre Carson, who's on the House Intelligence Committee and on the House Committee for the CIA, he goes on the record in the film saying that these UAP that come out of the ocean are otherworldly things. He says they are not man-made aircraft, they are not, um, rockets. These are otherworldly things, he says. And, uh, that's a significant... That was a significant moment for me when he went on the record and said that. And I, uh... I think, I think it's... Going back to the, the, the, the nuclear stuff, um, it's scary to think that anyone thought it was a good idea to intentionally take down the aircraft of a more intelligent species.

Joe Rogan 23:52 Yeah.

Dan Farah 23:53 It seems like a very foolish decision. Um-

Joe Rogan 23:56 Well, if that's true.

Dan Farah 23:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:57 I know that there was a lot of high altitude nuclear bomb testing for whatever reason, and then there was that Operation Midnight Prime. Is that what it was? No, uh, Starfish Prime, where they were, uh, blowing holes through the Van Allen radiation belts. They were just launching-

Dan Farah 24:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:12 ... nuclear bombs into space.

Dan Farah 24:14 Well, I'll tell you something that-

Joe Rogan 24:15 (laughs)

Dan Farah 24:15 ... I don't, I don't think people know about, but, um...... the UAP task force, which Jay Stratton ran, um, they put in place a, based on that data of, you know, the connection with nukes-

Joe Rogan 24:27 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 24:27 ... they put together a plan, uh, to lure in UAP with nuclear elements, so nuclear aircraft carrier with some nuclear weapons on it. And they had all these data collection systems in place, and, and it worked.

Joe Rogan 24:44 Whoa. So they like put out bait?

Dan Farah 24:46 They l- yeah. Without causing, without doing a test-

Joe Rogan 24:51 Just the fact that they had nuclear weapons-

Dan Farah 24:52 ... just the fact that it existed and was being put into place-

Joe Rogan 24:54 Wow.

Dan Farah 24:54 ... it attracted, and they caught a lot of data on it.

Joe Rogan 24:58 Whoa.

Dan Farah 24:59 And, you know, we shouldn't think that that was the only time they did that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:02 Well, I would imagine, you know, they probably saw the testing, the stupid shit we did in the ocean.

Dan Farah 25:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:08 The, the fact that, like, we were talking about this last night, John Wayne did a terrible movie called Genghis Khan. I don't know if you ever saw it.

Dan Farah 25:15 Yeah, yeah, I saw that.

Joe Rogan 25:16 It's one of the worst movies of all time. And that's what killed him. That movie killed him. He got cancer from that movie, and so did almost, uh, like, I think it was like close to 100 people on the set. Some very large number of people on the set got cancer-

Dan Farah 25:28 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:28 ... because they did this all downwind from where the government was detonating nuclear bombs.

Dan Farah 25:33 Horrible.

Joe Rogan 25:33 They filmed it all in Nevada, in the desert.

Dan Farah 25:35 Horrible.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Horrible. So like, they blew up s- you know, I'm sure you've seen the video of the, where it shows like a time lapse of all-

Dan Farah 25:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:42 ... the nuclear tests over the years.

Dan Farah 25:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:44 And you just go, "Yo, what are you doing?"

Dan Farah 25:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:48 What are you doing in Nevada? Nevada-

Dan Farah 25:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:49 ... just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And if I was from another planet, I'd be like, that's when I would start going, "Oh my God, these idiots, not only do they have it, but they're just blowing them up in the ocean."

Dan Farah 26:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:01 No consideration for the fish, the whales, the dolphins, whatever the fuck happens to be there-

Dan Farah 26:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:06 ... when they drop that thing down. Like they're a- they're clearly irresponsible.

Dan Farah 26:11 Yeah, yeah. No, it's concerning. An analogy that multiple people actually use with me, they said, "Put yourself in the shoes of a advanced non-human, human intelligent species." Here, here's the analogy. Imagine you're a zookeeper, and you see this gorilla in a cage, and it, you love this gorilla. It's sweet. You watch, you watch it evolve over the years. You see it communicate. It waves to you, you know. Y- y- y- you have no issue with this gorilla. You don't wish it any harm. But what happens if one day you come in, and the other security guards say, "Hey, last night the gorilla got out of its cage, walked around the park, was playing with the gun cabinet, and then he went back in his cage." You're like, "All right. That's concerning. Let me keep an eye on this," right?

Joe Rogan 26:48 (laughs)

Dan Farah 26:48 And then, and then what happens if, you know, a month later you come in, and they're like, "Hey, the gorilla, this time he got in the gun cage."

Joe Rogan 26:55 Hmm.

Dan Farah 26:55 "He was playing with the gun, and then he went back in his cage with the gun." What do, what do we do here, right? So it's like all right-

Joe Rogan 27:01 Well, it's even worse than that, so-

Dan Farah 27:02 So it's like, "We'll take the gun out of his hand. We'll put it back. We'll, we'll change the locking on stuff," right? But then what happens if it evolves to a place where sometime later you come out of your house on a Sunday, you're not even going to work, you got your daughter's hand in your hand, and the gorilla is standing on your front lawn with a shotgun? Then you gotta make a choice really quick, right? Like do I just take this thing out, or do I try to communicate with it and risk my daughter getting shot? And this analogy has been used with me multiple times to describe the dynamic we have with non-human intelligent life and the situation we're barreling towards.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Yeah, it would almost be like you went into the cage and the gorilla was welding.

Dan Farah 27:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:34 You know, the gorilla's got gloves on.

Dan Farah 27:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:36 He's making a bore. He's putting together a shotgun. He's figuring out dynamite on his own.

Dan Farah 27:41 He's cleaning his-

Joe Rogan 27:42 Yeah, that would be the real issue.

Dan Farah 27:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:43 Like, oh my God, they figured out guns.

Dan Farah 27:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:46 'Cause the thing is we figured it out. It's not like-

Dan Farah 27:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:48 ... somebody gave it to us.

Dan Farah 27:49 You know, look, one of the pe- a couple people in the film reveal that some of the UAP activity we see-

Joe Rogan 27:54 Hmm.

Dan Farah 27:54 ... is non-human intelligent life, but some of it is reverse engineered craft from our program-

Joe Rogan 27:59 Right.

Dan Farah 27:59 ... the Legacy Program, and some from adversaries. So, I personally think we have cracked this technology a lot more than people realize. I don't think you spend over $1 trillion and have thousands of people working on it deeply hidden program every year for 80 years and not make progress.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Hmm. Yeah, God, I would love to know what it is that they've done and whether the Tic Tac is one of ours.

Dan Farah 28:24 I don't think it is.

Joe Rogan 28:25 No?

Dan Farah 28:25 No. I talked to everybody who ran, actually ran the investigation of the Tic Tac from various agencies, and to the pilots. No one, no one thinks it's manmade.

Joe Rogan 28:34 For real?

Dan Farah 28:34 And also, if it was manmade, that would mean that someone cracked a new energy source that far back, which is like what, 20 years at this point, right?

Joe Rogan 28:44 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 28:45 Um, and has never used it to benefit our country or another country to solve the energy crisis, to make a superior craft that we've seen used. It's just, it's just hard to believe that no one would use that to like fuel their economy. I mean, it'd be-

Joe Rogan 29:01 Hmm.

Dan Farah 29:02 ... (laughs) it'd be like a total, you know-

Joe Rogan 29:04 Right.

Dan Farah 29:04 ... restart of everything if you had that technology.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Right. Yeah, that's interesting. Right.

Dan Farah 29:10 I mean, the craft with that, that Tic Tac was going from sea level to 80,000 feet, which is space, and hovering at, in space, going back down, hovering at sea level, and doing this for hours. We, we don't have anything. The, one of the scientists who was involved in one of the UAP programs for the government in my film does the math and says the energy required to do that is the electrical output of the entire United States for, I think you said a week, some stupid amount of energy required.

Joe Rogan 29:41 I think it's even more than a week. But yeah, I remember him saying that.

Dan Farah 29:44 It's, it's bonkers. And that's-

Joe Rogan 29:45 And that's just-

Dan Farah 29:46 ... I don't think it's human technology.

Joe Rogan 29:46 ... the trip up.

Dan Farah 29:47 Yeah. Yeah, and they were doing that all day.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah, all day. (laughs)

Dan Farah 29:50 Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. You know?

Joe Rogan 29:53 Right, if they had that in 2004, which is the Tic Tac incident, you would think there would be some just insane progress.

Dan Farah 29:59 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:00 So if it's not ours-

Dan Farah 30:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:02 ... what, what is the predominant theory of what they are?

Dan Farah 30:08 The predominant theory is that they is multiple species, and there's no one answer. Everyone I talk to who has real visibility to the crash retrieval program says the non-human bodies that have been recovered in some of these crafts all look different.... there, there are multiple species. The universe is full of life.

Joe Rogan 30:26 How many different species?

Dan Farah 30:28 I've heard of at least four body types that were recovered.

Joe Rogan 30:30 So, all I've heard of is the grays, which is like the Close Encounters of the Third Kind ones, the Nordics, which is the, uh, also known as, like, the tall whites, right? They're the same thing?

Dan Farah 30:41 I've heard people say it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:41 And then, there is, uh, the reptilians. People talk about reptilians being the scariest one.

Dan Farah 30:47 No one's ever used that word with me, to be honest.

Joe Rogan 30:48 Really?

Dan Farah 30:49 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:49 And then there's mantis. There's, uh, ones that are, like, insect-like.

Dan Farah 30:54 I've heard people say that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:55 I haven't heard of any more than that.

Dan Farah 30:57 Yeah. Well, um, I've also heard multiple military people talk about little beings that almost look like E.T., little, little bots that don't, don't seem sentient. That seem like they're, they're, um, almost like a-

Joe Rogan 31:15 Like a robot?

Dan Farah 31:16 Yeah, like a robot almost, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:17 M- some artificial creation?

Dan Farah 31:19 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Yeah.

Dan Farah 31:20 Maybe. You know-

Joe Rogan 31:21 You would imagine if you get to genetic engineering and, and when there's cyborgs and you integrate technology with this, this genetic engineering, you're gonna be able to create, like, workers.

Dan Farah 31:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Like little... That's what many people have thought the grays are. Like, there's small grays that are... They're w- they're, they're more in a, like, a workforce capacity.

Dan Farah 31:40 I've heard that.

Joe Rogan 31:40 They just do the bidding of the taller grays, which seem to be more intelligent.

Dan Farah 31:44 I've heard that.

Joe Rogan 31:44 Just-

Dan Farah 31:45 You know, one of the, one of the, um, one of the really interesting things is that there's no one answer, right?

Joe Rogan 31:51 Right.

Dan Farah 31:51 Like some, some non-human intelligent life that's here might, might have benign intentions and some might have bad intentions.

Joe Rogan 31:58 Right.

Dan Farah 31:58 We don't know. Um, the, the other, the other reason I am extremely convinced that this situation is entirely real is... The access I got when making the film was really at an unprecedented level. Like I, I got very close with the leadership of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee. They were introducing me to people, they were opening doors for me, and some of the people that I met through them were actually involved in recovery programs and were gonna do interviews and then ultimately decided not to and that they thought, they thought it would cost them their lives. Two people used the same words with me, actually. It was very interesting. Two people used the words, "After careful consideration, I have decided I will be forfeiting my life if I participated on camera in your film."

Joe Rogan 32:51 Hmm.

Dan Farah 32:51 The word 'forfeiting' which I had never heard anyone use-

Joe Rogan 32:54 Wow.

Dan Farah 32:54 ... in that kind of a context, right? So put yourself in my shoes, like I'm a normal guy from Jersey making a, making a movie about something I'm interested in. The last thing I wanna hear is something like that, you know? So, um-

Joe Rogan 33:03 That's the most sure way to get people to keep secrets.

Dan Farah 33:07 Oh, yeah. So I, of course, was like, "That's shocking and disappointing to hear." Obviously we should stop talking (laughs) you know?

Joe Rogan 33:13 Yeah.

Dan Farah 33:15 You're like-

Joe Rogan 33:15 (laughs)

Dan Farah 33:15 You know, I don't want you in this movie (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 33:17 Don't die. Wow.

Dan Farah 33:17 I don't want, do not want that on my conscience. But it also was another, another sign that, how real all this is.

Joe Rogan 33:24 Without naming any names, is there anything that you couldn't talk about in the film that you could tell us? Without, like, quoting anybody or pinning it on anybody?

Dan Farah 33:34 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff I learned off the record, um... Hopefully it all comes out and people can legally talk about it at some point, but, um-

Joe Rogan 33:43 Can you talk about it?

Dan Farah 33:44 There's been-

Joe Rogan 33:44 Without-

Dan Farah 33:45 I know there's been c- I know there's been multiple contact events. Like, straight up.

Joe Rogan 33:48 Coordinated contact events?

Dan Farah 33:49 Yeah, like straight up contact events. One of them is revealed in the film actually, but there are more. Um, there was this... Several people in my film talk about an event that happened at Holloman Air Force Base where two non-human crafts approached the base. One landed, beings walked out and interacted with Air Force officials and CIA officials, and a couple people go on the record talking about that in the film. But there have been other events I've been told.

Joe Rogan 34:12 How were those beings described?

Dan Farah 34:14 They were described as tall, slender, humanoid. And the, um... Another thing that I heard that gave me chills was that, uh, someone involved with a, uh, a recovery, um, interacted with a non-human being that was dying and heard thoughts in his head that said, "You humans don't know your full potential." And that was said to me by a very senior, older guy from the intelligence community and, um, I thought that was pretty, pretty incredible. Um, also just the extent to which the Legacy Program is real. It's not... This isn't like 50 guys, you know, sitting in a quiet, dark room. You're talking about a massive program with thousands of people going to work every day and dealing with this. And to me, that is mind-blowing, you know?

Joe Rogan 35:12 Yeah.

Dan Farah 35:12 You know, the, the guy, the, you know, the guy next to you at the pizza place, you know, on a Saturday night might be working on this during the day, you know?

Joe Rogan 35:18 Right.

Dan Farah 35:18 The guy who, you know... The other father at your kid's, like, you know, Little League game.

Joe Rogan 35:23 Yeah.

Dan Farah 35:23 This is what he deals with, right? By the fact that that is a thing and... You know, we had, we had a similar dynamic for the Manhattan Project. There were all these people working on it and they kept it secret, right? And their neighbors and friends didn't know, but this is that on steroids. So, you know, after the Manhattan Project, which was bil- uh, had a budget in the billions, this situation arose and it had to be even more secret than the Manhattan Project 'cause the Manhattan Project we found out in hindsight leaked, right? There were moles.

Joe Rogan 35:47 Right.

Dan Farah 35:47 So, we needed to make this even more secret and give it more money and more resources and more, you know, counter-intel.

Joe Rogan 35:54 And more threats.

Dan Farah 35:56 Which is counter-intel, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yeah.

Dan Farah 35:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:57 I mean, threats if you re- reveal those secrets. But it's like more... The more this stuff gets discussed, the more I go back to what Lazar said because what, what Lazar is describing from the 1980s is ex- exactly what these people are saying now.... that they've had these things, they've been trying to figure them out, they've been working on them. At least in the 1980s, they hadn't totally cracked it yet, but they did know how to operate them, and that they would ru- do these tests. But everything was so compartmentalized, he said, he wasn't allowed to talk to the metallurgist, the, he was the, the, pr- the, there was different people that were a- assigned to it.

Dan Farah 36:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:35 What they were assigned to do was to try to figure out how the propulsion system worked.

Dan Farah 36:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:40 And then there was other people that were deci- assigned to try to figure out how the metallurgy was formed.

Dan Farah 36:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:45 'Cause whatever it was seemed like it was 3D printed. It didn't have any seams.

Dan Farah 36:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:49 And when he talks about it, it, it sounds exactly like what people are talking about today, which is really bananas.

Dan Farah 36:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:58 Because this is late 1980s, and he's the first guy to crack through with this stuff.

Dan Farah 37:02 Yeah, everything is so in, in, in that secret program, everything is so siloed out, where you could have one team of defense contractors who are working on one thing. They're not even told it's a, from an alien spacecraft. They're just told, "Here's the thing. It might be Russia, it might be China. Tell us how it works."

Joe Rogan 37:15 Right.

Dan Farah 37:16 You know? They don't, they're, and they're just kept in a little, in a little bubble. Um, and one of the issues now is that everything's become so overcla- classified and so siloed, that it's, it's actually hurting progress.

Joe Rogan 37:29 Mm.

Dan Farah 37:30 And that's a lot of the scientists in my film are voicing that. And, um, you know, one of the other things I learned recently that, um, isn't in the film, um, Jay Stratton, you know, who ran the UAP Task Force, he told me that during, during that time, he had started a talk with one of the senior scientists at Lockheed who was frustrated by how overclassified everything was. It made them, it e- it m- even made it hard for the defense contractors to get the right manpower and brains on it, 'cause not everyone can be cleared to do the work, right?

Joe Rogan 38:05 Right.

Dan Farah 38:05 There's all these like red tape hurdles to progress, right?

Joe Rogan 38:07 Right.

Dan Farah 38:07 And so they had made a plan to move one of the crafts that had been recovered that was in Lockheed's possession into the possession of the UAP Task Force, and then the task force was gonna be able to put more brain power towards it. And then, the head of science and technology at the CIA shut it down-

Joe Rogan 38:26 Wow.

Dan Farah 38:26 ... in the middle of the transfer. They had actually secured a hangar on a military base, and prepped it to, to be a classified hangar that would hold this craft, and they were stopped. So the issue of overclassification-

Joe Rogan 38:38 And did what, did they know what happened after that?

Dan Farah 38:40 Yeah, the, the CIA just shut, the CIA shut the, shut the whole transaction down, and the craft stayed in Lockheed's possession, and then that particular leader within Lockheed died about two years later, um, so the, the effort kinda stopped, um-

Joe Rogan 38:55 Hmm.

Dan Farah 38:55 ... he had cancer. Um, the, the overclassification is, is definitely a hurdle for this, and our competitors don't necessarily have that. Like, she, you know, there's no free will in China. She-

Joe Rogan 39:07 Right.

Dan Farah 39:07 ... she can just be like, "Hey, you're the smartest guy graduating your class. You're gonna go work for the nation on this," you know?

Joe Rogan 39:11 Right, period.

Dan Farah 39:12 And here, the problem is, no one, no one knows it's real. One of the things I hope the film changes is it makes the scientific community know that this is a valid area of inquiry, this is real, it's a real situation, and there's a ton of problems for the next generation of engineers and scientists to solve, you know? And so hopefully it inspires them, um, and helps us make progress, 'cause there's a lot of progress that could be made here.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Well, it certainly seems like it, but it's like how, one of the things that you guys propose in the film that I think may be the only way forward is some sort of a mass amnesty to all these people that did lie to Congress and probably misappropriated funds and maybe, mm, I guess-

Dan Farah 39:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:52 ... stole a little bit here and there. Like if you, if that doesn't happen, no one is going to push to make this public. No one's gonna push for like actual full disclosure, because it leaves them too exposed. And if they do have the kinda power that they must have to be running an organization of thousands of people working on something with unbelievable amounts of money being transferred to these programs, they don't wanna let that go.

Dan Farah 40:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:17 Like, this is like, it's a honey pot that they're drawing from, right?

Dan Farah 40:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:21 And they're probably still taking too much or it's, there's no oversight, it's still, you're still lying to Congress, and you'd have to, you'd have to have some national security amnesty program saying, "Look, it, in the interest of national security, it's critically important that we get all of our best people working on this. The only way we're ever gonna really do that is to completely reveal that this is actual really, this r- actually really happening. This is real crafts from somewhere or something. We have 'em. We'll tell you where we have 'em." And let's, uh, I think right now, people wouldn't even freak out, because I would think that people would freak out if there was some sort of official narrative of disclosure, but that's ser- sort of been breached, right? The New York Times breached that in 2017.

Dan Farah 41:11 I think this film is that. I mean, there's, this is 34 incredible people-

Joe Rogan 41:14 This film is huge.

Dan Farah 41:14 ... sa- putting their reputation and name on the line, which, which I honestly, Joe, I think it's more, it's stronger evidence than any video or photo. These days, you could put a 4K video of a giant craft over Vandenberg and half the human population will say it's AI-

Joe Rogan 41:27 Right.

Dan Farah 41:27 ... or created in some visual effects program, but someone of, of, of, of note putting their name and reputation on the line, their career on the line, the rest of their lives on the line-

Joe Rogan 41:37 Yeah.

Dan Farah 41:37 ... to say, "This is what I know to be true," to me that's the greatest evidence that, that exists. But I do think, to your point, amnesty is something that's gonna have to be figured out, because while it's hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook for wrongdoings, right, um, it is, it does seem like it's in the best interest of the bigger picture.

Joe Rogan 42:01 100%.

Dan Farah 42:01 'Cause these people just aren't gonna, they have no incentive to come forward with what they've learned. And so to quote Ruby on the film, he says, "Look, this is not a endeavor to go and punish anyone, but we need to know what they learned."

Joe Rogan 42:14 Right.

Dan Farah 42:14 And I think he's totally dead on, and you know...

Joe Rogan 42:17 Is he in favor of some sort of an amnesty program as well?

Dan Farah 42:20 Yeah, yeah, he says, he says on camera in the film, he's like, "I'm not...... I'm not trying to punish anyone. I need to know what they learned, because taxpayers paid for this and it's in our, our interest to-

Joe Rogan 42:29 Yeah.

Dan Farah 42:29 ... to know what's going on. But the other thing that's needed is, um, real whistleblower protection. Not, not-

Joe Rogan 42:38 Right.

Dan Farah 42:38 ... not the whistleblower protection that's been passed so far. Like, mu- much stronger legal protection so that people like, you know, like the folks I talked to, the Special Forces guys I talked to were gonna come forward and then decided they thought they'd be forfeiting their lives. You've got to change that set of circumstances.

Joe Rogan 42:53 You've got to.

Dan Farah 42:54 You gotta make those people feel like that's not gonna happen to them.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Right.

Dan Farah 42:57 And, and, and what I think ultimately is gonna have to happen, and I wouldn't be surprised, man, if it happens soon after the film comes out, I think a sitting president has to step to the microphone and say, definitively, "Humanity's not alone in the universe. We have recovered technology of non-human origin. So have other nations. There is a high stakes secret Cold War race to reverse engineer this technology. We need to win this race, and the US intends to lead in this new chapter." I think that needs to happen. Like, a level set of basic facts. And I really, I really do think it will happen.

Joe Rogan 43:28 Well, if that is gonna happen, I think Trump might be the only guy that's willing to do something that crazy.

Dan Farah 43:32 I think so. I, I think, I think it's very likely that he does that.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Right.

Dan Farah 43:36 I know that, I know that he is aware of the film. I know he's aware of what people in his administration say in the film.

Joe Rogan 43:42 Has he watched it? Do you know that?

Dan Farah 43:44 He has not watched the film. But I know he's very aware of it, and I know that they are discussing internally how they're going to react to the film publicly. And I also know that he has recently, very recently tasked Tulsi Gabbard with getting to the bottom of the situation and finding out for him what he needs to know that he doesn't know.

Joe Rogan 44:07 Really?

Dan Farah 44:07 Yeah. And as Rubio said in the film, Rubio says o- o- on camera, on the record on the film, that this has been kept from sitting presidents. And he goes into detail on how that's been done and how it's the career bureaucrats at certain e- and certain elements of the government that control this information and just wait presidents out and don't feel like they have a need to know.

Joe Rogan 44:29 Right. Well, there were some people that tried to find information out in the beginning of the Trump administration. Who was it? There was someone that talked about it on record and said he was told at every turn that you don't have the clearance.

Dan Farah 44:41 Yeah. Yeah. But here's the thing. Trump actually found out about the base facts in his last presidency and was contemplating stepping to the microphone then.

Joe Rogan 44:52 What base facts?

Dan Farah 44:53 So, Jay Stratton, who, you know, ran the task force, he says on camera in my film that he, he briefed, he... M- that Mnuchin, the Secretary of Treasury, asked for a briefing on the lay of the land because Trump asked him to get the briefing. And Trump had already known that the base facts, that, that, that we're not alone in the universe, that, that there's been recovery of crashed craft, right? He knew those base facts. And he told Mnuchin that he was thinking about going public. And so Mnuchin reached out to Stratton to get a briefing, and he told, he told Stratton that the reason he wanted the briefing is 'cause he needed to be able to evaluate what the impact would be to the economy if the president decided to step to the mic and tell the world we're not alone. Stratton tells this story on camera in the film, and I've heard a lot more about it off camera. Uh, so we know Trump contemplated doing this already. Now I think the release of this film and Rubio's involvement puts enough on the table that it, it, it makes it easier for him to do.

Joe Rogan 45:58 Hmm. I think they would have to have some sort of a plan in place if they were going to say that, right? Like, the amnesty plan. The idea behind it would have to be in place. If someone's g-

Dan Farah 46:07 Or at least grab, grab control of the situation and say that we're g- this is real and the US intends to lead the way. 'Cause the other, the other factor that the White House has to keep in mind is, you don't want Xi or Putin being the guy to do that.

Joe Rogan 46:18 Right.

Dan Farah 46:19 You don't want them to have that moment.

Joe Rogan 46:20 Right.

Dan Farah 46:21 Right?

Joe Rogan 46:21 Right.

Dan Farah 46:22 Um, you know, something I always think about with, when it occurs, with regards to that moment of a president stepping to the mic, when we entered the space race, Kennedy gave that big famous speech, right? He was like, "We're gonna lead in space. Uh, technology, like, you know, space technology, like nuclear technology, has no conscious of its own. It's up to man to use it for good or bad. And we're, we're gonna make sure it's used for the betterment of all mankind. And we're gonna lead the way." That was his whole-

Joe Rogan 46:46 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 46:46 ... rallying speech, right? And it made the whole scientific community be like, "We're gonna help, help the US win." Like, you know, rah, rah, rah, right? I think that's needed in this race. Like, we need all the support of the scientific community, of academia, the kids coming out of MIT. We need them putting their brain power towards this. And I think the White House knows that. And it's also the greatest, it's the, that's the greatest TV moment a leader could have in the history of humanity. Step into the microphone.

Joe Rogan 47:14 How much do you think Elon knows?

Dan Farah 47:17 Look, I've seen him, obviously, talk to you about it. I think he knows a lot.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Yeah. Me too.

Dan Farah 47:22 I don't think you get the contracts and the clearances you need to operate in, in space-

Joe Rogan 47:27 Yeah.

Dan Farah 47:28 ... without some horse trading.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Yeah, when I went to SpaceX, I'm like, "Motherfucker, you know everything." (laughs)

Dan Farah 47:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:34 (laughs) There's no way, there's no way you're launching these fucking things into space without them keying you in on exactly what's going on. He's just sly about it.

Dan Farah 47:43 Well, I do think, uh-

Joe Rogan 47:43 He goes, "Yeah, well, if they are aliens, they certainly are subtle."

Dan Farah 47:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:46 That's what he says. Like...

Dan Farah 47:47 Wow.

Joe Rogan 47:47 Are they really? I don't know, man.

Dan Farah 47:49 I think it's impossible to operate in space like, like he does and not be aware of everything. And, and also at the level he, he operates clearance-wise. Um, I held a secret screening at the National Space Symposium earlier this year, which is the Super Bowl of the space industry. It's like 60 people, heavy hitters from the space industry. We didn't promote it or publicize it at all. But there were a dozen guys from SpaceX there.

Joe Rogan 48:11 (laughs)

Dan Farah 48:11 And they all (laughs) and they all seemed very aware of everything revealed in the film.

Joe Rogan 48:16 Yeah. I'm positive.

Dan Farah 48:18 Yeah? The, um-

Joe Rogan 48:19 He, he's my friend and he won't tell me.

Dan Farah 48:21 He's a, he's a legend.

Joe Rogan 48:22 That motherfucker.

Dan Farah 48:22 He's a legend.

Joe Rogan 48:22 He keeps a lid on it.

Dan Farah 48:23 He's a legend.

Joe Rogan 48:24 But how do you... How, how would he not know? If it is re- And, you know, some people have told me he knows, that, that know he knows some things. So whatever. But the point is, people good, are good at keeping secrets.

Dan Farah 48:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:36 That is, that's real.

Dan Farah 48:37 100%.

Joe Rogan 48:38 But even people that aren't...... notoriously good at keeping secrets.

Dan Farah 48:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:41 They're good at keeping secrets when they have to be.

Dan Farah 48:43 Sure. Do you think-

Joe Rogan 48:43 Especially on this.

Dan Farah 48:43 Do you think, if- if you put yourself, you've- you've- you've interviewed Trump. Do you see him doing that? Stepping to the mic and telling us the truth?

Joe Rogan 48:50 If someone talks to him about it and convinces him it's a great idea. Like, if I had an hour with him. (laughs)

Dan Farah 48:57 I mean, it's literally the single- single, in my opinion, the single greatest moment a leader could have.

Joe Rogan 49:03 Well-

Dan Farah 49:03 In the history of the world.

Joe Rogan 49:04 If he could be the guy that blows the lid off of it, that would, uh, definitely help with his legacy too, which I think would be a- a good way to convince him. You know? And also that the people would be excited about it.

Dan Farah 49:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:15 You know? It's just, I think there's probably a lot of forces that we're not totally aware of that would fight very hard to keep this from being revealed. You know, there's a lot of people whose reputations would probably be in jeopardy. Uh, a lot of people that may never get trusted again, even if they get amnesty. We, if there's any evidence of impropriety, any evidence of embezzlement, any ... and which I, I can't imagine there's not some fucking funny money flying around here and there, and it just, no oversight? Come on, guys. Like, oh, you're- you're above board totally with no oversight at all?

Dan Farah 49:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:53 And a trillion dollars? Fuck off.

Dan Farah 49:55 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do think ... I've come to understand that he is borderline enraged at how much has been hidden from the White House. So, that alone might motivate him to just step up and- and- and say the truth.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Maybe.

Dan Farah 50:12 It's also the most bipartisan issue of our time, so-

Joe Rogan 50:14 I'll talk to him about it.

Dan Farah 50:15 ... he would have, have support. Yeah, you could make a difference.

Joe Rogan 50:17 I'll give it a crack.

Dan Farah 50:17 Give it a crack, man.

Joe Rogan 50:17 I'll talk to him about it.

Dan Farah 50:19 Change the world.

Joe Rogan 50:19 It's just there's so many other things to talk about.

Dan Farah 50:21 You could get a Nobel Peace Prize for that, Joe.

Joe Rogan 50:22 Oh, no, I don't want one of those.

Dan Farah 50:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:23 I'll never show up.

Dan Farah 50:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:24 Give it to me if you could have an empty stage.

Dan Farah 50:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:27 (laughs)

Dan Farah 50:27 You know, I think, I- I really, I'm excited to see what happens on the other side of this release, 'cause I think it's gonna, I think it's gonna awaken the public. I do think they're gonna make a ton of demand on- on elected leaders and- and representatives to go take this more seriously, and it's gonna put pressure on the White House. People have never seen someone like Rubio step up and say what he says in the film, you know?

Joe Rogan 50:47 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 50:47 The other thing about Rubio, you gotta remember, he's also the National Security Advisor, and that's never happened in the history of the United States other than Henry Kissinger for two years. This guy's in a very powerful position, very influential position, and aware of a lot more than he was even when he was on the Senate Intelligence Committee as a senator.

Joe Rogan 51:02 Interesting. And also motivated and fascinated by it.

Dan Farah 51:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:07 So he's engaged in the information.

Dan Farah 51:10 Totally.

Joe Rogan 51:10 (sighs) It's-

Dan Farah 51:12 What- what- what- what- what- what do you find, like, what do you think ... if you could choose what happens after a movie like this comes out, what- what would you like to see?

Joe Rogan 51:22 Um, some mass Congressional hearings and a real conversation about amnesty because I think it's the only way to get to the bottom of things. 'Cause otherwise I think you're gonna have every fucking possible legal and, uh, hierarchal- hier- hierarchical, whatever the word is, hurdle, like, at every step. Everyone's gonna block your access to information. They're gonna lie, they're gonna burn records, they're gonna hide things, they're not gonna tell you where anything is.

Dan Farah 51:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:49 People will get assassinated, there'll be whistleblowers, they'll be in grave danger. I just think there's too much money involved, and you- you gotta think about it like a criminal organization, because if you turn them into criminals, they're gonna act like criminals. If you- if you say, "Hey, you might go to jail for the rest of your fucking life because you lied to Congress, and now we know you did, and, you know, there's $250 million that your company got, and $300 million this company got over the course of X amount of years, and we know. We know that you got ... y- you're in trouble."

Dan Farah 52:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:18 "Like, we're gonna put you in jail." And then, if that ... if you make them criminals, they're gonna act like criminals.

Dan Farah 52:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:24 Those are, I think you're talking, dealing with people that have enormous amounts of money and probably ... they make weapons, they probably don't have the most respect for life. (laughs) It's, you know, if there's a- a real discussion where it makes it look like it's their idea as well.

Dan Farah 52:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:40 That they have this obligation to the American people, they were held under secrecy for so long, but now through this administration and-

Dan Farah 52:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:49 ... through this openness that we've all decided through the scientific community, we're gonna release this shit.

Dan Farah 52:54 Yeah. No, I think, I agree with you, and that could change the world. Uh, the other thing to remember is, these aren't villains. They're not, like ... Mm-hmm. This isn't some, like, dark group of evil people. They're- they're- they're normal people that were given a job to do and then did it, right?

Joe Rogan 53:06 Yeah.

Dan Farah 53:06 And they weren't the decision-makers. And- and they were, and they're navigating a situation that is unprecedented and there's no playbook for, right?

Joe Rogan 53:14 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 53:14 So they think they're doing the right thing.

Joe Rogan 53:16 Right.

Dan Farah 53:17 And- and I think that's important to remember, you know? Um, and-

Joe Rogan 53:21 Do you know, you know the Putoff thing? It was in your documentary.

Dan Farah 53:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:25 The, with, um-

Dan Farah 53:25 The Bush story.

Joe Rogan 53:26 Ge- Bush Senior.

Dan Farah 53:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:27 He talked about it on the podcast.

Dan Farah 53:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:28 I'm like, that is such a fascinating story.

Dan Farah 53:30 It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 53:30 Back then ...

Dan Farah 53:31 Early, right after 9/11.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Yeah, Herbert Walker Bush. No, it was Herbert Walker. The-

Dan Farah 53:37 I believe.

Joe Rogan 53:37 No, the panel was, the panel was, uh, yeah.

Dan Farah 53:39 It was George Bush Junior?

Joe Rogan 53:40 Yeah.

Dan Farah 53:40 It was W?

Joe Rogan 53:41 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Dan Farah 53:41 Oh, I thought it was Bush Senior.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Yeah, no, it was right after.

Dan Farah 53:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:44 It was right after 9/11.

Dan Farah 53:45 Okay. So during that time. So-

Joe Rogan 53:48 (sighs)

Dan Farah 53:48 I'm confused. So, but imagine, so let's imagine 2001. Where would we be 24 years later if we had real disclosure from the White House? So for people who didn't see the documentary yet or didn't watch the podcast with me and Hal Putoff, what he said was it was him and a bunch of other thought leaders, and they were all brought together with, uh, a numerical value for pros and cons related to disclosure. So basically they said to them, "We have acq- we- we have acquired crafts that are not of this world, and we have biological entities-" Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:20 "... that are not of this world. These are real. We want to know, if we disclose to the general public that alien life is real, what would be the negative impacts on our society, on our government, on our religion, our e-"

Dan Farah 54:33 Economy, every element of society.

Joe Rogan 54:34 Yeah, every- everything, and they put a numerical value to everything, and overwhelmingly all the people asked had way more con than pro.

Dan Farah 54:43 Yeah, they determined it was a bad idea.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Yeah, which is so wild. Like, rip the Band-Aid off, kids.

Dan Farah 54:48 Wild that there's this think tank over a couple days where a bu- a bunch of people got together and decided-... the fate of humanity.

Joe Rogan 54:53 Isn't that fascinating?

Dan Farah 54:54 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 54:54 It was the fate, well- well, at least, I don't think really the fate. I think what it did was just retard everything. It just slowed the growth of a- access to this. And I- I really give The New York Times a lot of credit, because I think publishing in 2017 that- that piece that they did on the front page was so huge, because The New York Times is a- arguably the most respected newspaper in the world. And for them to address it like it's a real issue, and like these pilots are seeing these things, they're behaving in ways that don't make any sense-

Dan Farah 55:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:26 ... with propulsion that we do not understand, and these are real.

Dan Farah 55:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:30 And this is New York Times. Like that t- that was, so many people texted me after that and called me after that, 'cause they know that I'm a UFO nut.

Dan Farah 55:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:38 And they're like, "Hey man, this might be real." Like, like serious people-

Dan Farah 55:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:41 ... that I'm friends with.

Dan Farah 55:42 Yeah. But-

Joe Rogan 55:43 And I'm like, "I think it's real."

Dan Farah 55:45 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:45 "I think there's something there."

Dan Farah 55:46 Yeah. And it, and it's helped us get us where we are now.

Joe Rogan 55:49 Yes.

Dan Farah 55:49 I mean, um, I don't think... The mainstream media support I'm getting from- for this film right now, I don't think it would h- have happened if it wasn't for that, The Times article.

Joe Rogan 55:57 No.

Dan Farah 55:57 Like t-

Joe Rogan 55:57 I think The Times article was the-

Dan Farah 55:59 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 55:59 That- that burst the membrane and allowed more data to come. It's just more rational discourse about it. Because I think before then, it was just so dismissed and so ridiculed, and you just didn't want to be attached to it, because you were a fool.

Dan Farah 56:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:13 You'd have to be a fool to be considering it.

Dan Farah 56:15 Yeah. But The Times still is one of those legacy media outlets that still hedges their bets. Like that article, you know, the original headline, I think, was We Are Not Alone in the Universe, and they changed it to, you know, I think it was like, Black Projects and Hidden Money, or something like that.

Joe Rogan 56:30 Mm. Yeah.

Dan Farah 56:30 Um, you know, they had to dial it down.

Joe Rogan 56:33 Well, because they don't know, right?

Dan Farah 56:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:35 We might not be alone in the universe. These things might be China's.

Dan Farah 56:38 Well-

Joe Rogan 56:38 It's not likely.

Dan Farah 56:39 (clears throat) Well, that's the other thing. If it- if we open ourselves to the possibility that these advanced aircraft penetrating our nuclear weapon (laughs) sites and our military bases are China, that's fucking terrifying, and that should be the biggest issue of our time.

Joe Rogan 56:54 Mm.

Dan Farah 56:55 Hands down. Because we know the intention of the Chinese Communist Party, and it's not good, right? They're not our friends. They're adversaries. And, you know, Xi has made public statements about wanting to replace the United States at the top of the world order. Like, that's a stated goal, right? So if it is China, even the possibility that they have some of these crafts alongside non-human crafts existing, right? Um...

Joe Rogan 57:18 Yes.

Dan Farah 57:19 E- even that possibility, it- it- it- it requires the US government to take this so much more serious. Here's an analogy that, uh, General Jim Clapper made to me. You know, he was the Director of National Intelligence. He's in the film. He's like, "Before 9/11, we didn't put the right amount of money towards counter-terrorism, and we weren't properly sharing information in the intelligence community. Then this horrible thing happened, and the public was outraged and said, 'We gotta throw money and resources at counter-terrorism.' Every repre- elected representative was beating that drum. We started the Director of National Intelligence position so that the agencies would all share information and you would- you would minimize the chance of, uh, intelligence gaps, right?"

Joe Rogan 57:55 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 57:55 "And we threw tons of appropriated funds towards counter-terrorism. We now spend more money on counter-terrorism than we even need to."

Joe Rogan 58:02 Mm.

Dan Farah 58:02 And his point was he hopes it doesn't take something bad happening on this front, like China cracking this technology in a way we haven't and then using it against us, or non-human intelligent life taking an action that isn't favorable to us, uh, before we then throw resources towards it. And it's essentially the same thing Rubio said. They- they think we need to get ahead of this problem, not wait for it to happen and then react to it.

Joe Rogan 58:28 Well, of course. I mean, it- it would be a horrible loss, both in terms of our- our- our- our- our national pride of being the innovators and being at the head of technology. If- if China came out and said, "We've cracked this. We have UFOs that we've back engineered, and now we can fly them around, and we can go visit other solar systems."

Dan Farah 58:51 And we've created a new energy source.

Joe Rogan 58:52 Yeah. We've created a new-

Dan Farah 58:52 We're gonna save the planet.

Joe Rogan 58:53 Yeah.

Dan Farah 58:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:54 It would- we would be- we would look like fools.

Dan Farah 58:56 We'd also be set back.

Joe Rogan 58:56 And if we realized- and if we realized that there had been a bunch of people that were working on this stuff the whole time, but they had been handcuffed by all the secrecy, and that this had all been done with defense contractors and lying to Congress, it'd be a fucking national disaster. It would- we would look completely incompetent.

Dan Farah 59:15 I really legitimately think a lot of the people in my film stepped up because they don't want to be left holding the bag and have people saying, "Why didn't you say something sooner?"

Joe Rogan 59:22 Right.

Dan Farah 59:23 I really think this is-

Joe Rogan 59:24 'Cause it's that close.

Dan Farah 59:25 ... cover- cover your butt, 'cause it's that close.

Joe Rogan 59:26 So when people talk about the successful back engineering of these things, wh- what are they saying? Are they saying that they can fly around Earth? Are they saying they can go outside of Earth's atmosphere and go into deep space with these things? Like what- what have they said we are currently able to do with these back engineered crafts that we've supposedly made ourselves?

Dan Farah 59:50 People that I can't attribute the statement to, that were very credible sources, told me that some of the UA- UAP activity in space specifically is reverse engineered technology.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Okay. Does that mean in space in low Earth orbit, or does that mean traveling through the solar system?

Dan Farah 1:00:12 The- what was implied to me was traveling through the solar system.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Geez.

Dan Farah 1:00:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 So are these- and-

Dan Farah 1:00:19 Here's another thing someone, that- that same person said to me, by the way.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Yes?

Dan Farah 1:00:22 So, before I forget, that their belief is that the technology we have would not be pulled out even to stop a world war.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 (laughs)

Dan Farah 1:00:35 It would not... Those cards would not be shown until moments before, like, a nuclear war situation.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 (laughs)

Dan Farah 1:00:44 So they wouldn't pull it out to stop, like, any of the wars we've experienced in the last, you know, since World War II. Um, they wouldn't... You know, regardless of how many, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 It has to get to nine. (sighs)

Dan Farah 1:00:53 It has to get to a level where there's no-

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Yeah.

Dan Farah 1:00:55 ... there's no other option.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Wow.

Dan Farah 1:00:57 'Cause it's show your cards.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Now, when they say that they've traveled through the solar system, is this biological human beings, or are these drone crafts? Like, what are they saying?

Dan Farah 1:01:08 I, I, I never got any of that. I never got any of that. All I was told is there's some of the, some of the UAPs that are seen, that have been seen by our astronauts on space missions, are non-human intelligent life and some are reverse engineered craft. That's what I was told.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 But we don't know whether there's a person inside of them.

Dan Farah 1:01:26 I, I don't know

Narrator 1:01:27 Most definitely not.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 If they are reverse engineered and they are ours, and we figured out how to make our own...

Dan Farah 1:01:31 That, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Yeah, I need to know that.

Dan Farah 1:01:33 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:35 (laughs)

Dan Farah 1:01:35 It's kinda important.

Narrator 1:01:36 That's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot-

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Is there fucking some dude named Bob flying through space?

Narrator 1:01:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Some Top Gun guy-

Dan Farah 1:01:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 ... that they've given the task of-

Dan Farah 1:01:43 Wouldn't surprise me.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 ... traveling to Venus real quick?

Dan Farah 1:01:45 Wouldn't surprise me. You know, o- o- one of the other things that, you know ... We were talking about Clapper and Rubio and what they said about China. Something else that they both said, despite these guys being completely ideologically opposed, right, like they have noth- nothing else in common, um, they both spoke to how we, as a species, not just our country, but the entire human species, is held back by this... There's something in... The fact that there's something in the human psyche that says, "I can't prepare for, or wrap my head around something I haven't experienced yet."

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 Right.

Dan Farah 1:02:15 And how that leads to strategic surprise, because you're not preparing for something that can ultimately end up happening. And Rubio makes great examples. He says, you know, "We didn't think the Japanese could torpedo us at Pearl Harbor, until they figured it out, and they did." Right? "We didn't think that terrorists were gonna come here and learn how to fly commercial airplanes and use them in a terror attack, until they did." And with this, he's like, "We don't want strategic surprise to lead to a disaster on this front. We need to be ahead of it." And, he very powerfully says that, you know, "Often, strategic surprise changes the course of human history."

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 So this is the question: If we have craft that we can travel through the solar sy- m- we meaning s- someone in the United States of America, does China, do they have the same ability right now? Is there a d- an understanding of where they're at in the race versus us?

Dan Farah 1:03:04 Everyone who talked about the race with China was extremely concerned about how close they were. And multiple people talked about how these incursions over our sensitive bases and nukes could in fact be reverse engineered Chinese craft. So it is, it is a scary situation. I mean, look, y- you can ask the average person a common sense question: Knowing what you know about the dynamic between China and the United States, would you be okay if they were the only country that had a nuclear weapon? The answer is no, right?

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 Right.

Dan Farah 1:03:33 So, would you want them to be the only country that has technology more powerful than a nuclear weapon that could be weaponized in a way that's more destructive than a nuclear weapon? No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 But what technology do they have that, uh, other than the ability to travel, what other observed technology do they have do you think would be-

Dan Farah 1:03:49 Well if you weaponize this technology, like let's just take something like the Tic Tac.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 1:03:54 Imagine you could, imagine you could-

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Travel instantaneously-

Dan Farah 1:03:57 ... take something like that-

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 ... anywhere in the world.

Dan Farah 1:03:59 Yeah, and put a nuclear weapon in there.

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 Right. You would instantan- you would have a nuclear weapon that goes off in less than a second on the other side of the world.

Dan Farah 1:04:05 It's completely undetectable-

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Yeah.

Dan Farah 1:04:06 ... to any sensor system. You can't react to it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 Yeah.

Dan Farah 1:04:09 You know? Bad news. It also, these, these vehicles display the ability to be transmedium. So, you could put a nuke through any environment. It's very scary.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Well, so transmedium, does that mean... Uh, uh, I know that it can go in the air and in the water, but does that mean it can go through actual physical objects?

Dan Farah 1:04:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 So this is one of the things in one of the crazier Jacques Vallée stories that, uh... I've read a few of his books, and one of the more bizarre ones, this woman found this object in, uh, on her property, some large property. Oh, I wanna say it's Nevada. I forget where it was, California or Nevada. But anyway, this, i- in, this egg-shaped large object, and that as it took off, it flew through the trees.

Dan Farah 1:04:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 She said it didn't disturb the trees. It just went right through them.

Dan Farah 1:04:59 Yeah. So that's... I mean, look, o- one of those, one of those, the... If you remember i- in the film, there's this great scene where Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis, who are two of the senior scientists involved with the government UAP programs, they break down how they figured out how these craft work, and how they are warping spacetime in a localized area, and they're basically creating a bubble that the craft operates in. And the bubble separates the craft from the environment around it. The environment becomes irrelevant. So, it can move through physical space, could move from air, to space, to the water. Frictionless, there's no splash. Like, the environment outside of the bubble is irrelevant. They're, they're creating their own spacetime, essentially. They're warping spacetime and creating a bubble around the craft. And when you start to think about how that could be weaponized, it's really terrifying.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 And w- what is he saying that they're using? Like, how are they...

Dan Farah 1:05:49 He's saying that they're creating an immense amount of energy in this localized area to create the bubble, and there's two prevailing thoughts on how that energy's created. One is they're tapping into so-called zero point energy, which has only been theorized, at this point, by humans, right? Um, or they're using quantum entanglement to pull energy from a far off source to the local area, the, the bubble. And that's what they figured out, and that's one of the-

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 And do they have any knowledge-

Dan Farah 1:06:15 ... sources.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 ... of these generators, or how they're acquiring this amount of power, or what they're using to-

Dan Farah 1:06:21 Well, it's u-

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 ... how are they-

Dan Farah 1:06:21 Well, it's using-

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 ... harnessing zero point energy?

Dan Farah 1:06:23 No. No. No.

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 But if we've got one, and we've back engineered it successfully, clearly someone must know.

Dan Farah 1:06:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 So someone knows.

Dan Farah 1:06:32 Look, Hal and Eric got very close with the scientists in the Legacy Program, and were sharing information, and that got shut down by the CIA. So, before it got shut down, they learned a lot about what we'd been doing secretly and what we'd been figuring out.

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 Geez. So it's the fucking CIA? (laughs)

Dan Farah 1:06:54 (laughs) Well, look, the film, the film, the film reveals that the, uh, the Legacy Program, the Craft Retrieval Reverse Engineering Program-... it has several elements. It's elements of the Air Force, it's elements of the Department of Energy, it's elements of the CIA, and it's defense contractors. And the CIA is the quarterback of the whole thing. The Air Force is used for recovery, like field work, essentially. They have the teams that can, you know, react fast and go to a site and collect materials and classify it, and they have the aircraft to bring it back to a base. The defense contractors have the technology, the know-how, and the engineering skills to do the reverse engineering. The Department of Energy has laws that can be used to classify the material outside of, you know, the President's reach and Congress's reach. They also have, you know, people who are experts at anything that gives off a lot of radiation and energy. Um, and then the, um, the CIA quarterbacks the whole thing. Think of them as, like, operational control. And this is revealed by a number of people in the film, and, um, every single source I talked to. There were a lot of people, Joe, that I talked to in very senior positions that thought the film was important and the only way to bring the truth out to the public, but they couldn't be on camera, and they guided me, you know, filled in gaps for me, helped me-

Joe Rogan 1:08:12 Mm.

Dan Farah 1:08:12 ... understand the lay of the land. There were some people they told me not to interview. There was a couple mol-... There was a couple people that were sent to me. I was... People wanted to trick me into including them in the film-

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Really?

Dan Farah 1:08:21 ... 'cause they were crazy people. Um, and I didn't-

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 (laughs)

Dan Farah 1:08:24 ... I didn't, I didn't, I didn't include them. I got tipped off by people, "Don't. Stay clear of that. That's someone's agenda, trying to sink your ship."

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 Right.

Dan Farah 1:08:30 Um, but, uh, yeah, I had a lot of folks help me. And the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee were extremely supportive. And, you know, I really don't think I would've been able to pull off making this film if not for their, their help. And Rubio, when I started my process, was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and he had already learned a lot about what has been hidden from Congress and thought that what I was doing was really the only way to bring it out. Because none of these, none of these people on their own would go out on a limb by themselves and become subject to ridicule. They didn't wanna be the one guy out there saying all this extraordinary stuff, right? Not only because there, there's this antiquated cultural stigma where they can be made fun of or their reputation will be damaged, but there's also this security system around the deeply hidden crash refuel program that, for years, has just targeted anyone who speaks up. And so what I basically put together was a way for them to safely do it and have strength in numbers and be arm in arm with, you know, several dozen other people. And once Rubio leaned into that, I just started getting tremendous support from the Armed Service Committee and the Intelligence Committee. And then-Senator Rounds became very helpful behind the scenes. Um, intelligence officials, um, who worked this topic, like, like Jay Stratton and Lou Elizondo and Hal Puthoff, um, were extremely helpful behind the scenes, opening doors, introducing me to people. Um, and, uh, yeah, I think that, um, I think this was really the only way this was, this, we were gonna, we were gonna get this level of information out, by giving people that safety in numbers. And then after this, it's gonna require the, the kind of amnesty we talked about.

Joe Rogan 1:10:10 Hmm.

Dan Farah 1:10:10 'Cause this is only what they can lawfully disclose.

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 Hmm.

Dan Farah 1:10:14 There's so much more.

Joe Rogan 1:10:16 S- so when it comes to underground or, excuse me, underwater stuff, um, this is what Tim Burchett was talking about when th- that person was famously interviewing him, and everybody was like, "What? You're just walking across the street casually talking about bases-"

Dan Farah 1:10:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 "... where they're coming out of the ocean?"

Dan Farah 1:10:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 Like-

Dan Farah 1:10:33 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 What do they think that is? D- Is that different from what's going on in the sky or is it-

Dan Farah 1:10:39 No, they think it's the same, they think it's the same crafts. They think-

Joe Rogan 1:10:42 So they have a base?

Dan Farah 1:10:44 More simply put, if you were here with advanced aircraft and you wanted to hide from humanity, the most logical place is the ocean.

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 Mm-hmm.

Dan Farah 1:10:52 It's the majority of our planet. We've barely, we've barely studied it. We've barely... We've s- we've, uh... One of the admirals in my film says, "We've scanned the surface of the moon in more detail than we have (laughs) the bottom of our oceans."

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 Yeah.

Dan Farah 1:11:05 It's crazy how much is unexplored, right?

Joe Rogan 1:11:07 Right.

Dan Farah 1:11:07 And so it's the most obvious place to hide. There's a lot of activity that happens in the oceans. Um, one of the, one of the, one of the people I talked to thought they would be in the film and then decided it was too risky for them was a special forces guy who was involved in a recovery of a craft that was in the ocean. And when they were recovering it, a giant craft came up next to them, like, a functioning craft. And the helicopter pulled out, and they dropped the line, and the helicopter took off, and the SEAL was in the water and watched this thing take off, and then he had to be recovered out of the water.

Joe Rogan 1:11:45 And-

Dan Farah 1:11:45 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:11:46 And the craft that they were trying to recover-

Dan Farah 1:11:48 It went, went-

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 ... it went down.

Dan Farah 1:11:50 Yeah, it went down. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:50 And did, uh, the big ship take it or anything or?

Dan Farah 1:11:53 They said, actually, they actually literally said that. They said it took it and went back down.

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 Yo.

Dan Farah 1:11:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 How big was the big one?

Dan Farah 1:12:00 They said it was big.

Joe Rogan 1:12:01 Just big?

Dan Farah 1:12:02 That's the only word they used, to be honest. Yeah. And the guy was rattled 'cause the guy-

Joe Rogan 1:12:05 So the guy was in the water?

Dan Farah 1:12:06 ... the, the SEAL was in the water hooking a line to this craft, and then when the helicopter pulled out, he said he was in the water just shitting his pants and taking in this extraordinary experience. (laughs) And then, um-

Joe Rogan 1:12:18 Was he wearing a vest?

Dan Farah 1:12:21 I'm, I'm certain, I'm sure he was wearing his, like, Frogman outfit.

Joe Rogan 1:12:23 Or was he just-

Dan Farah 1:12:23 ... Frogman outfit.

Joe Rogan 1:12:23 ... doggy paddling? (laughs)

Dan Farah 1:12:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12:24 (laughs) I was just kidding. Leave him there in the fucking water. These guys panic and pull out.

Dan Farah 1:12:30 Huh. I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:12:30 Maybe UFO would've let you take it.

Dan Farah 1:12:32 (laughs) All these, all these situations are really bonkers. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:12:35 I wonder what would've happened if they were like, "Fuck you, we're taking it."

Dan Farah 1:12:38 Pfff.

Joe Rogan 1:12:39 You know? (laughs)

Dan Farah 1:12:41 I, I, I, I... What I often wonder is if any of the guys on that chopper snap, snap video of this thing, you know? There's a lot of video that exists that is either classified at a crazy high level or people are just terrified to share, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:12:57 Mm.

Dan Farah 1:12:58 Um, and that's one of the other things, like, once... We need, we need, we need...... a declassification process that's real and sincere and, you know, rigorously goes through what's there and what can be showed that won't hurt our national security. Right?

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 Right.

Dan Farah 1:13:11 And just start being transparent with, with the public. Um, this, this encounter of, uh, the seal reminded me of another thing that I think is really important and speaks to the accountability issue. There's a number of military personnel and scientists that have worked for defense contractors, who have had, and intelligence officials, who have had encounters and then end up with biological effects, like real issues, cancer, immuni- y- you know, um, uh, um, autoimmune i- issues. Um, a number of people have died of cancer after being around these things. And that's a whole nother level of accountability. You know? There's, there's people whose medical bills should have been paid for, they shouldn't have been put in those