EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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Why UFO disclosure matters: lies to Congress, missing money, and real-world consequences
- JRJoe Rogan
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- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Uh, what's up, Dan? How are you? Good to see you.
- DFDan Farah
Good. Good to see you, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see you again. Uh, first time that I saw you was the first time I saw your documentary, which is fucking excellent.
- DFDan Farah
Thank you, bro.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, The Age of Disclosure, really good. Can't recommend it enough. If you're a UFO dork like myself and you're in and out, like sometimes you're like, "This is bullshit. Maybe it's real. This is bullshit. Maybe I'm wasting my time. Maybe it's real. Maybe it's..." Go see The Age of Disclosure.
- DFDan Farah
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And then you'll be fully in the "I don't fucking know, but who... Something's going on." That's where I am right now.
- DFDan Farah
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know, but something's going on.
- DFDan Farah
Definitely something going on. It's a real situation.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's a real weird one. When you see all these like high-level government employees talking about secret access programs and back engineering programs that have been going on for decades and decades in secrecy, and you're like... Your documentary did a fantastic job of highlighting a couple of reasons why I always... When people are skeptical and they go, "Oh, okay, if there was a program like this, why wouldn't they just tell us?" You, you have to really understand the consequences of what they've done, 'cause what they've done is lie to Congress-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for a long time. It's a misappropriation of funds, clear felonies. Like... (laughs)
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. Lie to the public-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
... lie to Congress, lie to sitting presidents.
- JRJoe Rogan
The m- just the money stuff, and also, let's just be really... Let's be just honest about human nature. If you have complete access to enormous amounts of money that's not under any oversight at all-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for sure some of it-
- DFDan Farah
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Some of it went in the pockets of people that probably shouldn't have got it. 100%.
- DFDan Farah
I think it's safe to say.
- JRJoe Rogan
100%, has to be.
- DFDan Farah
Everyone I've talked to who, who's aware of the details of the deeply hidden legacy program says that it's at least over a trillion dollars spent since the '40s.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- DFDan Farah
It's an enormous amount of money.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- DFDan Farah
And it's a much bigger program than people would suspect.
- 2:17 – 3:10
Can huge secrets really stay secret? Lazar, intimidation, and compartmentalization
- JRJoe Rogan
And the idea, this is another thing that drives me nuts, the idea that people can't keep secrets. Shut the fuck up.
- DFDan Farah
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, they can.
- DFDan Farah
If you're told your reputation-
- JRJoe Rogan
Some people-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Some people can't keep secrets.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But by the time you get to be a high-level operative in the United States government, I'm guessing you can keep a fucking secret.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and if you're told-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
... "Hey, you could d- disappear one day or-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
"... you could have your reputation ruined."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
"You're, you're gonna get blackmailed about this or that," you're just gonna keep quiet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, people can keep secrets.
- DFDan Farah
And-
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, by the way, not everybody does.
- DFDan Farah
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Bob Lazar story, to this day, is like... That, that documentary by Jeremy Corbell was the reason why I went all the way back in with UFOs. I'm like, "All right, goddamn it, I believe Bob." (laughs)
- DFDan Farah
It's a great doc.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a great doc.
- DFDan Farah
It's a great doc.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that o- that one's available. It's, uh, Area 50... Bob Lazar Area 51 and Flying Saucers? Is that the name of it, the title of it?
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Something along those lines. Fantastic documentary.
- 3:10 – 4:16
Dan’s motivation and vetting problem: fear of misinformation vs. convergence of testimony
- DFDan Farah
For, for me like, I... Look, my childhood was the '80s and early '90s, so I grew up-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
... on movies like ET and Close Encounters and TV shows like X-Files and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
... movies like Fire in the Sky. Remember that movie?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- DFDan Farah
And-
- JRJoe Rogan
I had Travis in here.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, you did. I love that interview.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fantastic.
- DFDan Farah
That movie, that movie gave me nightmares. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy, 'cause-
- DFDan Farah
Kept me up as a kid.
- JRJoe Rogan
All those g- A couple of those guys on that crew hated him.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, one of them, he got in a fistfight with that day.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that guy had the exact same story that everybody else had.
- DFDan Farah
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
He got hit by a beam of light. They went back to get him. He was gone. Then five days later he shows up.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, he's not malnourished. He's not like... He's not m- hasn't been sleeping in the woods.
- DFDan Farah
It's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he's got this fucking insane story about being repaired on a UFO.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and all those guys passed lie detector tests.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, all of them did.
- DFDan Farah
The, uh, you know, like movies like that, I'm sure for millions of people around the world, same thing. It just made me curious about this, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
My whole life, I'm like, "Are we alone in the universe? Does the US government know more about this than, than we do," right? And I always wished that there was a documentary that only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of the topic as a result to work for the government, and that was, that was the real drive in making this film. Everybody fits that criteria, you know?
- 4:16 – 8:04
Urgency narrative: Rubio, Gillibrand, Clapper, and the China reverse-engineering race
- JRJoe Rogan
Here's the fear that everyone has, including myself, and it, it is the way... This, this is the main fear that I have whenever I sit down with any whistleblower. Um, how many of them are, on purpose, that their directive, that their ob- their objective is to spread misinformation on purpose on behalf of the government, that they're, they're there to just bullshit you? But if-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, no, of course I had that, I had that thought, but for me, I stopped worrying about that when I met one intelligence official, government official, military official after another who had completely different ideological v- views, different political beliefs, they weren't associated with each other, and they were all saying the same thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
And so I just don't... The, the alternative to everything these people are saying in my film being true is that 34 people of different political parties, different government groups, with different aspirations all got together four years ago and decided to tell this elaborate lie randomly with me in a movie-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
... and for what end?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well-
- DFDan Farah
It doesn't make any sense.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a couple ends, right? One of them could be they're being told to do this because this is a real thing, but it's different than what they're saying, and they're trying to get one narrative out there.
- DFDan Farah
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, like let's imagine that there's a c- current coordinated effort with the United States government and some sort of alien intelligence.
- DFDan Farah
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wouldn't it behoove you to make it more of a mystery? Like, "We've been trying. We've been... The, we have found things, but we don't know what they are, and we're back engineering, but we don't know much."
- DFDan Farah
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
But we... Meanwhile, they know way more.
- DFDan Farah
Well, yeah, look-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like that's just one scenario.
- DFDan Farah
That could be a scenario, but in this case, you have the people who... Like, like Rubio, who found out what's going on-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
... who think it is very urgent that the public get caught up and find out the base facts.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
His biggest fear, clearly, is we are in a high-stakes-... technology race, a Cold War race, with adversarial nations like China, to reverse engineer technology of non-human origin. And his fear, he literally says in the film, is that if we don't get our act together and take this more seriously as a country, we're gonna wake up one day, we're gonna find out the hard way that China got there. We won't know when or how, but to quote him, "We will be screwed." And he, you could feel it. Like, I did all the interviews myself. I'm like this close to him. His chin buckled when he said it. He was dead serious, and he was super concerned, and you could feel it. And that was the vibe with Senator Rounds, Senator Gillibrand. Jim Clapper, a guy who's never talked about this topic in his life. He's in his 80s. He was the head of Air Force Intelligence. He was the Director of National Intelligence. Never publicly spoken about UAP. He goes on, he comes out and does the interview, and he told me, (clears throat) excuse me, he told me that he was doing it because it was important to do and that the people needed to know. And he, he drops the bomb in the film that, that UAP activity over Area 51 is real. It's, in fact, real. And he goes on the record saying that the Air Force has had a program to investigate this stuff. Whereas the Air Force is saying they haven't had a program since Project Blue Book. So, I think the people that I interviewed really felt like a weight on their shoulders to get this off their chest. And to give you more context on Clapper, the guy, the poor guy's wife was in the hospital dying. He left the hospital to come do the interview. And I actually said to him, I was like, "Are you sure you want to do this today?" And he's like, "No, I want to do it. It's important."
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- DFDan Farah
So, like, I think ... I, I really felt it. These people all f- felt like the public needed to know the base facts that they could lawfully disclose, and to me, the more wild thing is, if this is all, if what they reveal in this film, the fact that there's been an 80-year coverup of non-human intelligent life, that we're in a secret high-stakes race with adversarial nations, if that's what they can lawfully disclose, dude, what's on the other side of that line?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
What's the stuff they can't disclose?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
You know?
- 8:04 – 14:05
Firsthand encounters in the film: beings, Vandenberg’s massive craft, and missing footage
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Um, when you're talking to these people, how many of 'em have had, uh, personal experiences that they either can or cannot talk about? Or how many of, uh, has anyone had some sort of personal experience with either a craft or seen something-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, yeah. So-
- JRJoe Rogan
... that they couldn't talk about?
- DFDan Farah
That they ... There were some scenarios that they couldn't talk about, and then there were some scenarios they could talk about. Um, but yes. Uh, Jay Stratton, for example, who ran the US government's UAP Task Force, he was the director of-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
... the UAP Task Force. He co-founded AAWSAP with Jim McCaskey, which grew into AATIP. Um, he has seen with his own eyes, non-human craft and non-human beings. Some situations that he can't talk about, some situations that he, he can. And I know he intends to talk about those in the very near future.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I've talked to him. Um, so is that the only one that saw a non-human being that you talked to?
- DFDan Farah
No. Talked to s- couple people who have.
- JRJoe Rogan
And were they similar stories?
- DFDan Farah
They were similar stories. They, they, they described the beings looking ... The reference point they gave me was very similar to the beings depicted in Close Encounters. That is the description they used.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
The, um ... In terms of the crafts, one of the interviews in the film that I'm really proud of, um, an Air Force security guard who worked at Vanderberg Air Force Base, who's never gone public, witnessed with his own eyes, along with five other security forces members, a giant UAP the size of a football field that came over Vanderberg Air Force Base, hovered over them, and then shot off at thousands of miles an hour. And he went on the record on camera. He's never talked about it publicly. He's never pursued press or, you know, tried to do anything with this experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And he broke his silence in this film 'cause he thought it was really important that the world know the truth.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you ask him if there's any footage? I would imagine Vanderberg has some pretty tight security.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, he thinks that there is, uh, security camera footage of this.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he's never seen it.
- DFDan Farah
He's never seen it, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good Lord, people.
- DFDan Farah
He's, him and five, it was him-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah-
- DFDan Farah
... and five other guys saw it with their own eyes. They all reported it. There's official, um, Air Force police blogger reports of it. I got ahold of the, the police report, put, we put it on screen in the film.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what drives me crazy. All this could be cleared up if they released the, whatever high resolution security camera footage they have. I w- I would imagine they have top-notch sec- security camera footage around major military facilities.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right?
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. I mean, that's one of the hurdles we have to get past. We have to-
- JRJoe Rogan
These motherfuckers are holding on-
- DFDan Farah
... declassify this stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
They've got this, fucking ... It's just like, it, that's shouldn't be yours, like-
- DFDan Farah
No.
- 14:05 – 17:03
Nukes, oceans, and ‘bait’: why UAP cluster around military and nuclear assets
- DFDan Farah
... you know, eye-opening. Um, there's several people in the film, military, military guys who talk about what they experienced and saw on military bases, especially nuclear bases. Um, which is, which is, goes back to one of the biggest concerns the leaders in my film have. Almost all the activity is over our nuclear weapon sites and military bases. Our defense capabilities and our nuclear progress essentially are being monitored, and why is that?
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause it's dangerous as fuck.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause as Terrence McKenna described us, we're territorial, uh, apes with thermonuclear weapons.
- DFDan Farah
We're violent species. Yeah, yeah. And so-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a ridiculous position.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and so that's clear to me, too. And, and then you think about, okay, well, where does all this go? Like, comes to a crossroads, right? Like, they've been here a long time, they've been monitoring us a long time, but now we've evolved to be dangerous and we're either at, through secret programs, their level, or we're about to be. And then that's when you get to a crossroad. So I think that's one of the things driving officials like Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand and Jay Strat and, um, to come out and say what they legally can because it's a set of circumstances that the human population really needs to know about and then it's become a humanitarian issue. How do we deal with this?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, and what is it, right? What is their purpose? If they are real, are they here to help us? Are they monitoring us? One of the creepiest things that Bob Lazar said is that w- they look at us like containers.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, I mean...
- JRJoe Rogan
And I was like, "What does that mean?" Con- like, con- containers of souls is what I interpreted from it, but that's just me. But like what does that mean, containers?
- DFDan Farah
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, like it seems like human beings have an insatiable desire to innovate and create better technology, and that seems to be leading us into AI and seems to be leading us into probably what connects us with the rest of the universe, the rest of the intelligence of the universe. But the stuff that got us here is being these territorial apes, you know. That's why we developed cities and that's why we developed agriculture and that's why we, we had enough free time to innovate. We had enough free time to invent things and change things. But our nature is really what holds us back 'cause we're still constantly warring. Like, it hasn't changed at all.
- DFDan Farah
No, it's crazy that we're still threatening nuclear war 80 years after, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
... dropping the bomb on Japan. We're still invading sovereign nations.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're involved in a proxy war. We're, you know, we're helping Israel. It's like there's so much chaos and death going on in the world because of human beings-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and the decisions that they're making, that if I was an intelligent life species from somewhere else, I'd be very concerned.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, I'd be like, here's these, this group of monkeys on a, uh, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
... trajectory.
- JRJoe Rogan
About to make a digital god.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're real close to having super intelligence-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in digital form and the- these idiots are still blowing themselves up from the sky.
- 17:03 – 20:41
Crash retrieval claims and defense contractors: ‘dozens of craft’ and a hidden industrial ecosystem
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, yeah, which also is why one of the current dilemmas exists, right? So this, this technology exists. Private defense contractors have this technology. Elements of the government have this technology.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're convinced?
- DFDan Farah
Beyond, beyond convinced.
- JRJoe Rogan
And what do you think that te- technology consists of?
- DFDan Farah
I have been completely convinced by multiple members of the intelligence community, the military, senior leaders in government, people who are running the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, someone who sits on the White House National Security Council, that our country has recovered dozens, dozens-
- JRJoe Rogan
Dozens?
- DFDan Farah
... of crashed craft of non-human origin and done so since the '40s and there has been success reverse engineering elements of this technology, and the same thing has been happening in China and Russia, and it's a very real situation. It's a high stakes situation. It is referred to as the atomic race on steroids and...... I am completely convinced of that. And the, and the contractors that, the defense contractors, the people like Jay Stratton and Luis Elizondo and people on the Senate Intel Committee have told me are involved are Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, Battelle, um, big companies, um, that have a lot of resources and are advancing this technology. But it's all so classified and so deeply hidden that it hinders progress.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
And the fear that if this technology got out, it'd be used by bad actors to create weapons of mass destruction has sort of prevented the scientific progress that could be better for mankind, that could be good for mankind. Like, this, this could... This technology, to quote Hal Puthoff in the film, says... He says, "This, this is the key to interstellar travel. This is the key to exploring the galaxy. This is the key to, to, you know, things that sound like science fiction, like teleportation." Um, all these things that could just revolutionize humanity and, like, the trajectory of our species-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
... are being held back out of the fear that the technology will be used for evil, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And so, you know, I love Hal Puthoff. I've gotten very close with him, and, you know, he, he makes a really-
- JRJoe Rogan
Fascinating guy.
- DFDan Farah
Fascinating guy. He's the most interesting person I've ever, ever met in my life. (laughs) Um, uh, he makes a great point in the film of saying he believes, despite the risks this technology could be used for, for bad, he believes we should make it known and make it a humanitarian issue of how we all collectively go about safely using this technology to change the world for the better and avoid destruction. And we've done that. We have a blueprint for that with, with nuclear technology, right? Like, there are nuclear weapons.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
That stuff's classified. We wish they didn't exist, but it does exist. And then we also use nuclear energy for good.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, um, the, the question would be, if we're holding back 'cause we're worried that bad actors are gonna get it, is China taking the same approach? 'Cause I would imagine they're not.
- DFDan Farah
They're not.
- JRJoe Rogan
I would imagine they're full bore, full steam ahead.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
And that's, that's, that's one of the problems. Like, Ru-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the same thing with a lot of other technology, right?
- DFDan Farah
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
Ru- Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand, three of the most senior leaders in our government, um, talk very openly about their concern about China and them getting ahead of us on-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
... reverse engineering this technology. Rubio says it keeps him up at night. Rounds very animately s- animatedly says in the film, um, "Do you think for one second that they wouldn't use this technology for their domination, um, if they didn't think we had access to the same technology?"
- 20:41 – 28:17
How did they get the craft? Crashes, intentional downing, and nuclear tests as ‘fishing with dynamite’
- JRJoe Rogan
How was everybody getting these crashed UFOs? What's the story behind that?
- DFDan Farah
So here's an interesting thing, um, one of the, one of the unexpected things I learned in talking to sources, like real credible people, is that some of the cra- some of the, the crashes were actual crashes, were just... You know, crashes happen (laughs) just like they do-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
For, you know, you could drive as safe as possible, fly as safe as possible, crashes are gonna happen. But some of them were actually caused by elements of our military intelligence community and elements of foreign military intelligence community, community people. So, like, one of the realizations early on was that, um, atomic weapon test, uh, uh... Nuclear weapon testing, atomic wea- weapon testing crea- has a ripple effect that can down these things.
- JRJoe Rogan
Especially high altitude nuclear testing.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Which is one of the things that they did in the 1950s, in particular.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and so they started doing it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
To, like, shoot fish in a barrel, basically.
- JRJoe Rogan
They did it on purpose?
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and so did Russia.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why they were doing it?
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and then Russia-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DFDan Farah
... Russia started doing it.
- JRJoe Rogan
No. (laughs)
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and then (laughs) one of the, one of the-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like throwing dynamite into the river-
- DFDan Farah
It's like fishing with dynamite, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But... Yeah, fishing with dynamite. Oh my God.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and then-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's so crazy.
- DFDan Farah
And which is crazy on multiple levels. A, you could accidentally provoke a nuclear conflict with another party that doesn't know what you're doing. B, um, you're y- y- you know, you're picking a fight with a more intelligent, superior species, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DFDan Farah
Which is probably not gonna work out great for anybody.
- JRJoe Rogan
They probably couldn't believe we were using nukes in the sky. "These fucking idiots nuked some of our spaceships."
- DFDan Farah
And the ocean.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we nuked the ocean a ton of times, right?
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, and there's a ton of UAP activity in the ocean.
- 28:17 – 39:37
What the technology implies: Tic Tac performance, multiple species, and transmedium ‘warp bubble’ physics
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm. Yeah, God, I would love to know what it is that they've done and whether the Tic Tac is one of ours.
- DFDan Farah
I don't think it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
No?
- DFDan Farah
No. I talked to everybody who ran, actually ran the investigation of the Tic Tac from various agencies, and to the pilots. No one, no one thinks it's manmade.
- JRJoe Rogan
For real?
- DFDan Farah
And also, if it was manmade, that would mean that someone cracked a new energy source that far back, which is like what, 20 years at this point, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
Um, and has never used it to benefit our country or another country to solve the energy crisis, to make a superior craft that we've seen used. It's just, it's just hard to believe that no one would use that to like fuel their economy. I mean, it'd be-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- DFDan Farah
... (laughs) it'd be like a total, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
... restart of everything if you had that technology.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Yeah, that's interesting. Right.
- DFDan Farah
I mean, the craft with that, that Tic Tac was going from sea level to 80,000 feet, which is space, and hovering at, in space, going back down, hovering at sea level, and doing this for hours. We, we don't have anything. The, one of the scientists who was involved in one of the UAP programs for the government in my film does the math and says the energy required to do that is the electrical output of the entire United States for, I think you said a week, some stupid amount of energy required.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it's even more than a week. But yeah, I remember him saying that.
- DFDan Farah
It's, it's bonkers. And that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's just-
- DFDan Farah
... I don't think it's human technology.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the trip up.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. Yeah, and they were doing that all day.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, all day. (laughs)
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, if they had that in 2004, which is the Tic Tac incident, you would think there would be some just insane progress.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So if it's not ours-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... what, what is the predominant theory of what they are?
- DFDan Farah
The predominant theory is that they is multiple species, and there's no one answer. Everyone I talk to who has real visibility to the crash retrieval program says the non-human bodies that have been recovered in some of these crafts all look different.... there, there are multiple species. The universe is full of life.
- JRJoe Rogan
How many different species?
- DFDan Farah
I've heard of at least four body types that were recovered.
- 39:37 – 1:06:50
Breaking the logjam: amnesty, real whistleblower protection, and a president-level announcement
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it certainly seems like it, but it's like how, one of the things that you guys propose in the film that I think may be the only way forward is some sort of a mass amnesty to all these people that did lie to Congress and probably misappropriated funds and maybe, mm, I guess-
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... stole a little bit here and there. Like if you, if that doesn't happen, no one is going to push to make this public. No one's gonna push for like actual full disclosure, because it leaves them too exposed. And if they do have the kinda power that they must have to be running an organization of thousands of people working on something with unbelievable amounts of money being transferred to these programs, they don't wanna let that go.
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, this is like, it's a honey pot that they're drawing from, right?
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they're probably still taking too much or it's, there's no oversight, it's still, you're still lying to Congress, and you'd have to, you'd have to have some national security amnesty program saying, "Look, it, in the interest of national security, it's critically important that we get all of our best people working on this. The only way we're ever gonna really do that is to completely reveal that this is actual really, this r- actually really happening. This is real crafts from somewhere or something. We have 'em. We'll tell you where we have 'em." And let's, uh, I think right now, people wouldn't even freak out, because I would think that people would freak out if there was some sort of official narrative of disclosure, but that's ser- sort of been breached, right? The New York Times breached that in 2017.
- DFDan Farah
I think this film is that. I mean, there's, this is 34 incredible people-
- JRJoe Rogan
This film is huge.
- DFDan Farah
... sa- putting their reputation and name on the line, which, which I honestly, Joe, I think it's more, it's stronger evidence than any video or photo. These days, you could put a 4K video of a giant craft over Vandenberg and half the human population will say it's AI-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
... or created in some visual effects program, but someone of, of, of, of note putting their name and reputation on the line, their career on the line, the rest of their lives on the line-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
... to say, "This is what I know to be true," to me that's the greatest evidence that, that exists. But I do think, to your point, amnesty is something that's gonna have to be figured out, because while it's hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook for wrongdoings, right, um, it is, it does seem like it's in the best interest of the bigger picture.
- JRJoe Rogan
100%.
- DFDan Farah
'Cause these people just aren't gonna, they have no incentive to come forward with what they've learned. And so to quote Ruby on the film, he says, "Look, this is not a endeavor to go and punish anyone, but we need to know what they learned."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And I think he's totally dead on, and you know...
- JRJoe Rogan
Is he in favor of some sort of an amnesty program as well?
- DFDan Farah
Yeah, yeah, he says, he says on camera in the film, he's like, "I'm not...... I'm not trying to punish anyone. I need to know what they learned, because taxpayers paid for this and it's in our, our interest to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
... to know what's going on. But the other thing that's needed is, um, real whistleblower protection. Not, not-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
... not the whistleblower protection that's been passed so far. Like, mu- much stronger legal protection so that people like, you know, like the folks I talked to, the Special Forces guys I talked to were gonna come forward and then decided they thought they'd be forfeiting their lives. You've got to change that set of circumstances.
- JRJoe Rogan
You've got to.
- DFDan Farah
You gotta make those people feel like that's not gonna happen to them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And, and, and what I think ultimately is gonna have to happen, and I wouldn't be surprised, man, if it happens soon after the film comes out, I think a sitting president has to step to the microphone and say, definitively, "Humanity's not alone in the universe. We have recovered technology of non-human origin. So have other nations. There is a high stakes secret Cold War race to reverse engineer this technology. We need to win this race, and the US intends to lead in this new chapter." I think that needs to happen. Like, a level set of basic facts. And I really, I really do think it will happen.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, if that is gonna happen, I think Trump might be the only guy that's willing to do something that crazy.
- DFDan Farah
I think so. I, I think, I think it's very likely that he does that.
- 1:06:50 – 1:13:11
Cover-up mechanics: CIA as ‘quarterback,’ stigma ops, intimidation tactics, and surveillance pressure
- JRJoe Rogan
Geez. So it's the fucking CIA? (laughs)
- DFDan Farah
(laughs) Well, look, the film, the film, the film reveals that the, uh, the Legacy Program, the Craft Retrieval Reverse Engineering Program-... it has several elements. It's elements of the Air Force, it's elements of the Department of Energy, it's elements of the CIA, and it's defense contractors. And the CIA is the quarterback of the whole thing. The Air Force is used for recovery, like field work, essentially. They have the teams that can, you know, react fast and go to a site and collect materials and classify it, and they have the aircraft to bring it back to a base. The defense contractors have the technology, the know-how, and the engineering skills to do the reverse engineering. The Department of Energy has laws that can be used to classify the material outside of, you know, the President's reach and Congress's reach. They also have, you know, people who are experts at anything that gives off a lot of radiation and energy. Um, and then the, um, the CIA quarterbacks the whole thing. Think of them as, like, operational control. And this is revealed by a number of people in the film, and, um, every single source I talked to. There were a lot of people, Joe, that I talked to in very senior positions that thought the film was important and the only way to bring the truth out to the public, but they couldn't be on camera, and they guided me, you know, filled in gaps for me, helped me-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- DFDan Farah
... understand the lay of the land. There were some people they told me not to interview. There was a couple mol-... There was a couple people that were sent to me. I was... People wanted to trick me into including them in the film-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- DFDan Farah
... 'cause they were crazy people. Um, and I didn't-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DFDan Farah
... I didn't, I didn't, I didn't include them. I got tipped off by people, "Don't. Stay clear of that. That's someone's agenda, trying to sink your ship."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
Um, but, uh, yeah, I had a lot of folks help me. And the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee were extremely supportive. And, you know, I really don't think I would've been able to pull off making this film if not for their, their help. And Rubio, when I started my process, was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and he had already learned a lot about what has been hidden from Congress and thought that what I was doing was really the only way to bring it out. Because none of these, none of these people on their own would go out on a limb by themselves and become subject to ridicule. They didn't wanna be the one guy out there saying all this extraordinary stuff, right? Not only because there, there's this antiquated cultural stigma where they can be made fun of or their reputation will be damaged, but there's also this security system around the deeply hidden crash refuel program that, for years, has just targeted anyone who speaks up. And so what I basically put together was a way for them to safely do it and have strength in numbers and be arm in arm with, you know, several dozen other people. And once Rubio leaned into that, I just started getting tremendous support from the Armed Service Committee and the Intelligence Committee. And then-Senator Rounds became very helpful behind the scenes. Um, intelligence officials, um, who worked this topic, like, like Jay Stratton and Lou Elizondo and Hal Puthoff, um, were extremely helpful behind the scenes, opening doors, introducing me to people. Um, and, uh, yeah, I think that, um, I think this was really the only way this was, this, we were gonna, we were gonna get this level of information out, by giving people that safety in numbers. And then after this, it's gonna require the, the kind of amnesty we talked about.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- DFDan Farah
'Cause this is only what they can lawfully disclose.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- DFDan Farah
There's so much more.
- JRJoe Rogan
S- so when it comes to underground or, excuse me, underwater stuff, um, this is what Tim Burchett was talking about when th- that person was famously interviewing him, and everybody was like, "What? You're just walking across the street casually talking about bases-"
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"... where they're coming out of the ocean?"
- DFDan Farah
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like-
- DFDan Farah
It's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
What do they think that is? D- Is that different from what's going on in the sky or is it-
- DFDan Farah
No, they think it's the same, they think it's the same crafts. They think-
- JRJoe Rogan
So they have a base?
- DFDan Farah
More simply put, if you were here with advanced aircraft and you wanted to hide from humanity, the most logical place is the ocean.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DFDan Farah
It's the majority of our planet. We've barely, we've barely studied it. We've barely... We've s- we've, uh... One of the admirals in my film says, "We've scanned the surface of the moon in more detail than we have (laughs) the bottom of our oceans."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DFDan Farah
It's crazy how much is unexplored, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DFDan Farah
And so it's the most obvious place to hide. There's a lot of activity that happens in the oceans. Um, one of the, one of the, one of the people I talked to thought they would be in the film and then decided it was too risky for them was a special forces guy who was involved in a recovery of a craft that was in the ocean. And when they were recovering it, a giant craft came up next to them, like, a functioning craft. And the helicopter pulled out, and they dropped the line, and the helicopter took off, and the SEAL was in the water and watched this thing take off, and then he had to be recovered out of the water.
- 1:13:11 – 1:14:03
The ‘high strangeness’ frontier: orbs at home, health effects, remote viewing, and human potential
- DFDan Farah
And just start being transparent with, with the public. Um, this, this encounter of, uh, the seal reminded me of another thing that I think is really important and speaks to the accountability issue. There's a number of military personnel and scientists that have worked for defense contractors, who have had, and intelligence officials, who have had encounters and then end up with biological effects, like real issues, cancer, immuni- y- you know, um, uh, um, autoimmune i- issues. Um, a number of people have died of cancer after being around these things. And that's a whole nother level of accountability. You know? There's, there's people whose medical bills should have been paid for, they shouldn't have been put in those situations. You know, there's families growing up without a dad because dad encountered a UFO on behalf of the US government and died.
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