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Joe Rogan Experience #2418 - Chris Williamson

Chris Williamson is a podcaster, YouTuber, and host of the "Modern Wisdom" podcast. See him live on his "Mostly Wise" tour. https://chriswillx.com/modernwisdom Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Buy 1 Get 1 Free Trucker Hat with code ROGAN at https://happydad.com Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan

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  1. 0:0015:00

    (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

    1. JR

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. CW

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) What am I doing?

    4. NA

      (laughs)

    5. CW

      Just looking. To feel a bit less shit about myself.

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. CW

      Just stave off death.

    8. JR

      Well, doesn't it do something for your mind?

    9. CW

      Of course.

    10. JR

      Doesn't it help you?

    11. CW

      Yeah, of course it, of course it does, but when you compare it with life and death, there's a little bit of a difference.

    12. JR

      Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's a def- definitely a difference, but, uh, just for mental health, that's the main reason to do it for me-

    13. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JR

      ... is mental health. It's, it's such a difference between not doing it and doing it.

    15. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    16. JR

      I'm like two different, totally different people. You got notes on that thing or something?

    17. CW

      Always.

    18. JR

      You gotta get one of these babies, the little kickstand jammies. Those are the shit. I love-

    19. CW

      Oh, sexy.

    20. JR

      I love those. Look at that. It's flat.

    21. CW

      Sexy, sexy.

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. CW

      All right. All right.

    24. JR

      Encourages you to waste your time watching YouTube videos. (laughs)

    25. CW

      Yeah, without having to hold it.

    26. JR

      'Cause it props up, yeah.

    27. CW

      Beautiful.

    28. JR

      You feel like a fool sitting there, staring at your camera, holding it in your hand.

    29. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    30. JR

      I always said like, if there was a drug that made people stare at their hand for six hours a day, everybody'd be like, "Oh my God, we're, there's really a problem in this country. People are just staring at their hands." Yeah.

  2. 15:0030:00

    Hmm. …

    1. JR

      a part of the equi... Is it good that we're burning stuff and putting it in the atmosphere? No, I do not think it is. No.

    2. CW

      Hmm.

    3. JR

      I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that our impact on the environment that is tangible and disgusting is pollution. That's the impact on the environment.

    4. CW

      Hmm.

    5. JR

      And if you're really thinking about our carbon footprint and carbon taxes and carbon incentives and car-, you got to follow the money. Like, what- what is happening here? Well, there's a bunch of green initiatives, and those green initiatives get funding, and they get funding to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. And if you know anything about any sort of nonprofit, like someone just pulled up some n- There's a, a nonprofit about animals, and they just released what a f- what a fucking scam it is. There's so many of these nonprofits where the vast majority of the money is going to salaries. Like, the- most of the money is going to salaries, and there's a tiny fraction of that money that gets allocated to whatever that cause is.

    6. CW

      Which is why it justifies people who work for the organization to sustain the organization's existence-

    7. JR

      100%.

    8. CW

      ... because that's the-

    9. JR

      100%.

    10. CW

      ... interest.

    11. JR

      But there's no data. Here's the thing. All of their predictions, all of the climate change predictions are totally inaccurate, every single one-

    12. CW

      Interesting.

    13. JR

      ... by all the doomsayers. So, you would think they would course correct. You would think they would say, "Okay, no one's arguing that the particulates that get emitted into the atmosphere by coal plants are not terrible for everyone. No one's arguing that glyphosate is good for you. No one's arguing that the poisons we're putting in rivers and streams, no one's arguing that's good for you. The stuff that gets into groundwater, no one says that's good. That's our real problem. Our real problem is pollution. It's fucking terrible. There's a real problem with waste. There's a real problem with landfills. All that's real."

    14. CW

      Hmm.

    15. JR

      This carbon thing is a weird one. It's a, it's a weird one to concentrate on solely, because it seems to have an effect on the atmosphere. It has an effect on the temperature of Earth, but not what they're saying.

    16. CW

      Can you think of a perverse incentive, other than people just want to keep their jobs? Is there something else af-

    17. JR

      Peop- It's people keeping their jobs. It's righteousness. It's virtue-signaling.

    18. CW

      Hmm.

    19. JR

      And, and it's also the extraordinary amount of money that gets put into green initiatives. It also helps people campaign. When you're campaigning, if you say, "Climate change is real. We will follow the science," "Oh, thank God! You get my vote!" (laughs) That's what happens, and these fucking dumbasses just fall for it every time. It's, it's not that it's a real impending doom scenario. That's not real.

    20. CW

      Hmm.

    21. JR

      It's not real. It's not real. But what is real is humans' impact on Earth. So, you got to figure out, why is this one thing ... Why are they concentrating so much on carbon-

    22. CW

      Hmm.

    23. JR

      ... when it's not an- a measurable thing? It's not a thing where that you're- you're seeing this hugely detrimental effect by this one action that we have. Oh, because someone's trying to make money. That's it. No one's doing it for your own good. There's not a fucking single person on Earth that's involved in any of these big causes that's really concerned about us. No, they're all making money, and they're all ma... A- and if they're not...... making money other than their salary. If your salary is a million dollars a year to run a charity, maybe that charity is fucking horse shit. You know? Be- (laughs) 'Cause if you make a million dollars a year, you're rich as fuck. This episode is brought to you by Happy Dad Hard Seltzer. A nice cold Happy Dad is low carbonation, gluten-free, and is easy to drink. No bloating, no nonsense. When you are watching a football game, or you're golfing, watching a fight with your boys, or out on the lake, these moments call for a cold Happy Dad. People are drinking all these seltzers and skinny cans that are loaded with sugar, but Happy Dad only has one gram of sugar in a normal-sized can. You could buy Happy Dad on the Gopuff app and your local liquor and grocery store, including Walmart, Kroger, Total Wine, and Circle K. And you can't decide on a flavor? Grab a variety pack. Lemon lime, watermelon, pineapple, and wild cherry. They also have a grape flavor in collaboration with Death Row Records and Snoop Dogg. They have their new lemonade coming out as well. Visit happydad.com for a limited time offer and use code ROGAN to buy one Happy Dad trucker hat and get one free. Enjoy a cold Happy Dad. Must be of legal drinking age. Please drink responsibly. Happy Dad Hard Seltzer, Tea & Lemonade, is a malt alcohol located in Orange County, California.

    24. CW

      What the argument would be, uh, in order to get somebody of the standard that you need to run this charity at the level that it needs to be run at, you need to give a competitive salary.

    25. JR

      What an amazing job they're doing where 95% of the money goes to overhead.

    26. CW

      (laughs)

    27. JR

      What an amazing job you've done in having zero progress-

    28. CW

      Please show me your efficiency plans, the blueprint.

    29. JR

      ... zero progress in any of your, air quotes, "science" that you're sh- you're pointing to that's w- showing these prediction models. All their prediction models are wrong.

    30. CW

      Mm-hmm.

  3. 30:0045:00

    I just, I was…

    1. JR

      incorrect... (laughs)

    2. GU

      I just, I was already asking, "What, what did it get right and what did it get wrong?"

    3. JR

      Yeah. What did it say?

    4. GU

      It's typing it up right now.

    5. JR

      Oh, it gets fucking... I guarantee you they didn't get nothing wrong or they didn't get nothing right.

    6. GU

      Do you wanna... Which one do you wanna start with, right or wrong?

    7. JR

      Um, what are the, the predictions for cata- catastrophic events? What did it get wrong about the predictions for catastrophic events?

    8. GU

      It's just, uh...

    9. JR

      Traditions that were incorrect. Rapid sea level rise, 20 feet. The film depicted a potential sea level rise of up to 20 feet, six meters, in the near future from the collapse of Greenland or West Antarctic ice sheets. While this extreme scenario is considered possible over centuries or millennia, scientific consensus does not support this happening imminently. Current rates are much slower, even with acceleration. Uh, reaching 20 feet would take many centuries. Uh, another one, Mount Kilimanjaro glacier melt caused by global warming. Goll attributed the shrinking of Kilimanjaro's glaciers mainly to global warming, but later research points to other major causes like sublim- sublimation and reduced snowfall, unrelated primarily to temperature. Uh, impression of imminent chaos. The film often implies that catastrophic outcomes, like rapid ice sheet collapse and dramatic sea level rise, might occur within decades, when in reality such processes are expected to take much longer, often centuries or more. And then legal findings. A U- a UK court found nine errors of exaggerations in the film, mostly involving a lack of clarity on timescales or oversimplified at- attributions, like Kilimanjaro.

    10. CW

      Overall, climate scientists judged An Inconvenient Truth is mostly accurate with its projections, particularly in broad trends, but criticized its presentation for occasionally exaggerating the speed and certainty of some changes. Well, I think this is-

    11. JR

      Yeah, well this is the thing, it's most, it's climate scientists judged it. I'd like to keep this climate hustle going on, so, "Well, they were mostly accurate. We do have a sincere problem."

    12. CW

      Stop putting a British accent on when you do that.

    13. JR

      Leave it to me.

    14. CW

      Stop putting a British accent on when you do that.

    15. JR

      That's not even British.

    16. CW

      When you do that.

    17. JR

      That's like a fake British guy. That's like a posh shithead from Connecticut.

    18. CW

      Okay, okay, okay.

    19. JR

      (laughs)

    20. CW

      Uh, but no, t- you're- you're right. The- the lack of scrutiny that people have of their behavior, the distance between our opinions and our deeds-

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. CW

      ... never been greater. That's the internet.

    23. JR

      Right.

    24. CW

      And what it means is you're allowed to do good while appearing bad and do bad while appearing good.

    25. JR

      Right.

    26. CW

      And it's way easier to do bad or to just not research or, and it's significantly harder if you're like, "I'm gonna go out, try and invent something, try and push against a- an idea or an ideology or a- a campaign for a- a- a movement that I think is really, really important, and people are gonna say that I'm doing something mean or people are gonna call me names for doing it." There's no incentive to do it.

    27. JR

      Right.

    28. CW

      Why would someone go, why would somebody do that? And I think that's what Elon's point is, right?

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. CW

      What I'm interested in is, uh, doing good, not the appearance of it. And I see a lot of people who are doing bad while appearing good.

  4. 45:001:00:00

    Oh my God. …

    1. CW

      literally our equivalent of the atomic bomb, right? He was, uh, a very British version as well. It wasn't kinetic, it was cognitive. So he decodes the machine that the Germans are using to send their secret messages. This means that we're able to detect exactly where the U-boats are going to be, and it results in some really awkward situations. Like, if we, uh, before we're going to use all of our force to try and take Germany down, if we avoid all of their planned bombings, they're gonna guess that we might have the keys to some of their communication. So they had to start making decisions about which boats needed to be let attacked and which boats needed to be saved.

    2. JR

      Oh my God.

    3. CW

      They knew all of the different attacks that were coming, but if they got rid of all of them, if they were safe from all of them, the Germans would start to catch on. So they had this really-

    4. JR

      Oh, God.

    5. CW

      So this guy, this guy is, is our equivalent of the atomic bomb, right? He's our Oppenheimer. He gets chemically castrated just after World War II.

    6. JR

      That's in the '50s, right?

    7. CW

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he kills himself. He takes his own life. He puts, uh, cyanide in a, in an apple. Oscar Wilde in the 1800s, one of the greatest writers of all time, he's jailed and then dies in exile as a peasant in France because he was gay. And then 70 years after, uh, Turing, Gordon Brown, it's like 2008, 2009, publicly apologizes. They bring out this thing called the Turing Act, which, uh, uh, gets rid of the criminal records of all of these people from history, like posthumous, and some of them are probably still alive actually. Like, some of these people that had been, uh, whatever it was, uh, convicted of indecent behavior, improper behavior at the time. Uh, and then they put Turing on the £50 note. So Britain has, for all that it's fantastic and I love it and it's the country that I came from, like, it does have a history of fucking persecuting people for what's deemed improper behavior at the time and then apologizing for it a couple of decades later. And I think with the Online Safety Bill thing, just I think it's gonna be the sort of thing that you look back on and go, "That, that was not..." I- i- in no one's world was that a smart move. I don't think that it's a, I don't think that it's, it's helping anybody at all.

    8. JR

      Well, it just appears that they want total complete control over what people say over there and that they don't want criticism of the government and criticism about immigration and criticism about, you know, fill in the blank. They don't want it. And the best way to stop that is to keep everybody scared, make everybody self-censor.

    9. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      What's the best way to make everybody self-censor? Put a bunch of fucking people in jail. So last year, what, was it 12,000? 12,000 people got arrested for social media posts?

    11. CW

      Uh-huh. Supposedly more than Russia, although the Russian-

    12. JR

      A lot more than Russia.

    13. CW

      ... the Russian stats might not be, uh... (laughs)

    14. JR

      Yeah. (laughs) Well, they didn't arrest them. They just shot them in the face. (laughs)

    15. CW

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      They don't count that.

    17. CW

      Gulag, gulag for you.

    18. JR

      Yeah. They just kill folks over there. But yeah, it's really bad. It's really bad, and it just doesn't seem very progressive. It doesn't seem like you're moving towards the future. It's not progress. Like, this, we figured out a long time ago that free speech is very important to figure out what's right and what's wrong. And when you suppress people's speech, you can get away with a lot of fucking horrible things-

    19. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JR

      ... because you stop people from being able to protest it. You know, and in a small part, we saw a lot of that during the pandemic. And, you know, and you, you see what, what the consequences of that are. You, you can't trust people that want power. You just can't.

    21. CW

      What do you mean?

    22. JR

      Well, anybody that wants any kind of control over a group of people. If you wanna control what they say, if you wanna control where they go, you wanna put them in 15-minute cities, like, you can't trust that because the natural inclination when someone has power is to never let it go.... and to ramp it up.

    23. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    24. JR

      They're in the power business. If you're in the power business, you don't wanna keep making the same amount of money every year. You wanna... You don't wanna have the same power every year. That's boring, right? Like, if you're an insurance salesman, you wanna be the fucking employee of the month. You wanna make more money next year. You got your eyes on a new Lexus.

    25. CW

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      You're trying to make more. You're not trying to stay maintained. That's not the game you're in.

    27. CW

      Mm-hmm.

    28. JR

      And if you're in the power game, and if you're in the game of enacting new laws in order to... We need safety. Safety. Under the guise of safety, you can get so much evil shit done. And if you start doing that, you're not gonna say, "You know what, guys? We were... That safety bill, we were really wrong, and what's really important is discourse. What's really important is that maybe I wonder why you think the way you think, and, you know, maybe part of this polarization process is, uh, not enabling us to see valid points the other side has. Let's all come together and talk about this as reasonable human beings." Th- It's... No, that's not what they're gonna do. They're gonna just f- come up with more fucking reasons to put you in a cage.

    29. CW

      (laughs)

    30. JR

      They want you to shut the fuck up 'cause they wanna make more, they wanna have more, they wanna get more power. They wanna be the best leader.

  5. 1:00:001:15:00

    Oh, world's strongest woman…

    1. CW

      and 400 pounds. She makes the current World's Strongest Man look- (laughs) look like an infant.

    2. JR

      Oh, world's strongest woman wins, stripped of title after organizers discover she was born a man.

    3. CW

      That was an hour ago, dude.

    4. JR

      Okay, so an hour ago they stripped her?

    5. CW

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      Is that the person?

    7. CW

      Yep. Jamie Buker, disqualified-

    8. JR

      So, that's a man?

    9. CW

      Uh...

    10. JR

      Are you sure?

    11. CW

      Y- It appears the athlete who is biologically male and now identifies as female competed in the Women's Open- Open category, uh, they were unaware of this fact ahead of the competition and have been urgently investigated. I wanna know what urgent investigation is-

    12. JR

      Interesting. They went on Twitter. (laughs)

    13. CW

      (laughs) Uh, what-

    14. JR

      They did a se- So, that's- that's a biological male, that's interesting.

    15. CW

      Correct.

    16. JR

      It looks like just a big lady.

    17. CW

      Had we been aware or had this been declared at any point before or during the competition, this athlete would not have been permitted to compete in the Women's Open category. The move comes after runner-up, uh, Andrea Thompson, British, hey, uh, was filmed storming off the podium as she raged about the bullshit decision to award the title. So, the other com- uh, competitors evidently knew.

    18. JR

      Oh, okay. So Thompson is now the winner, so UK gets the gold.

    19. CW

      Bro, I think- I think about this so much when it comes to sporting competitions, and it's not just with the- the- the trans thing, although this is a huge deal and I did think that we'd kind of got past it.How horrible is it to be the person who won, but had that moment, the podium moment, stolen from you-

    20. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

    21. CW

      ... by somebody? I think there's a, a weightlifting, w- Olympics, uh, w- weightlifting championship final where currently, like, the 11th place finisher is now first because each person has progressively got popped for PEDs.

    22. JR

      (laughs)

    23. CW

      Number one did, then number two did, then number three did. It's like-

    24. JR

      Oh.

    25. CW

      ... e- 11 people have been popped for PEDs now.

    26. JR

      Well, that's the Tour de France. You know, when they took away Lance Armstrong's title, so the Tour de France, what they didn't tell you, that if you wanna go and remove all of the people that have tested positive for something, you gotta go down to, like, 18th place.

    27. CW

      (laughs)

    28. JR

      For real. For real. Like, all those guys were doing something. They were all blood doping. They were all taking EPO. They were all s- they were putting motors in their fucking bikes.

    29. CW

      I've seen a video of that.

    30. JR

      Yeah. They were tr-

  6. 1:15:001:18:12

    Heavy. …

    1. JR

      And then Joshua, check out this, this combination he hits him with. I mean, dude, the speed that he hits him with this? He's so dangerous, man. It's like you're dealing with a guy who's an Olympic gold medalist, and he's enormous, and he's got vicious knockout power, and he's got immense amount of experience at world-class levels. Just think about what we said earlier. Fought Usyk twice. Fought Andy Ruiz twice.

    2. GU

      Heavy.

    3. JR

      Oh, man. Bro, the timing in that right hand, just spectacular.

    4. NA

      That's exciting as well.

    5. JR

      Pictacular. Over the top. I mean, that was a full force shot to the temple. I mean, he's, he's fucked still right now. So, they wipe off his gloves, but you look at him, like he's, he's really feeling it right now. I mean, he probably has no idea where he is. And Anthony Joshua-

    6. NA

      Oh, my God.

    7. JR

      ... flat-lined him.

    8. NA

      Absolutely folded in half.

    9. JR

      Watch. Back that up again. Watch this. I mean, just steps into it with every ounce of his body. Perfect right hand.

    10. NA

      (imitates wind blowing)

    11. JR

      So, the fact that Jake Paul wants to fight that guy, hey, I'll watch.

    12. NA

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      I'm gonna watch. I'm definitely gonna watch. So, you got me there. And if you wanna show you're legit, uh, by taking on one of the scariest fucking heavyweights alive-

    14. NA

      Can you get the tape, the tape of the, of, uh, Paul and Joshua?

    15. GU

      I was gonna say, he has to... They got him to weigh a grade of 245. That's only, like, seven pounds less.

    16. JR

      Yeah, that's nothing.

    17. GU

      Yeah, that's nothing much.

    18. JR

      But, and there's some sort of a rehydration clause. Listen, kids, it ain't gonna matter. You know, there's not a chance that Anthony Joshua is not going to just lose the weight beforehand. He's not gonna come in drained. What he's gonna do is just do extra cardio, and that's just gonna make him more dangerous. He's gonna be terrifying, and he's gonna have a lot to prove. He's gonna be very angry that Jake Paul wants to fight him.

    19. NA

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JR

      Very upset that this YouTuber who's fought Tommy Fury, who's a, a legit boxer, and, you know, a couple other guys that were legit boxers. That's it. Like, everyone else he's fought, he's fought Ben Askren, who's really a wrestler. You know, he fought Tyron Woodley, who's an elite MMA fighter, but, you know, not an elite boxer. He fought Nate Robinson, who was a basketball player. At least, he's fought these guys. He fought Anderson Silva, and he dropped Anderson Silva, and Anderson Silva's a really good striker. But also in his 40s, you know, different time. It's... You know, not the same guy he used to be. This is, this, this is a 34-year-old Anthony Joshua. This is a terrifying human being. Terrifying. Again, a guy who survived Usyk twice. You know, you saw what Usyk did to Dubois? You see Usyk take out Dubois? Did you see that?

    21. NA

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JR

      That's the Usyk you're talking about. This is the Usyk that rocked, um, Tyson Fury, who's a fucking 6'9".

    23. NA

      So, S- Jake Paul's 6'1".

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. NA

      This is 6'6" Anthony Joshua. Jake weighed in for the Tyson fight at 199. (laughs)

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. NA

      Joshua...

    28. JR

      252.

    29. NA

      ... against Ngannou was 252.

    30. JR

      6'6". S- just, not just 6'6", but 6'6" and knows how to use every fucking inch of it.

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