Joe Rogan Experience #2423 - John Cena

John Cena is a WWE 17-time World Champion wrestler, bestselling author, and actor whose on-screen career includes installments of the “Fast & Furious” franchise, “The Suicide Squad,” and its spinoff series “Peacemaker.” https://www.wwe.com/superstars/john-cena Tony Hinchcliffe is a comedian, writer, actor, and host of the podcast and live show “Kill Tony.” His Netflix special, “Kill Tony: Kill or Be Killed,” is streaming now. https://www.tonyhinchcliffe.com https://www.youtube.com/@KillTony Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit https://gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit https://ccpg.org (CT), or visit https://www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $200 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Token expires 1/11/26. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 1/4/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK.

John CenaguestJoe RoganhostTony Hinchcliffeguest

Dec 5, 20252h 11mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:00 – 15:00
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast.…
1. JCJohn Cena
  (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
2. NANarrator
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (instrumental music plays) We're rolling.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  What's up? (claps hands) John Cena in the fucking house.
6. JCJohn Cena
  Hey, what you eating? Put these on? Yeah.
7. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, let's put these on. Pretend we're professional.
9. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
10. JRJoe Rogan
  What's up? Good to see you, man.
11. JCJohn Cena
  Thank... Man, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate you guys for being here.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  My pleasure. And there's no way I'm having a pro wrestler on without Tony Hinchcliffe.
13. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Of course.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  It's impossible. He's the expert. He knows more about pro wrestling than I know about (laughs) UFC.
15. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
16. JCJohn Cena
  (laughs)
17. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Sometimes I translate little things here and there.
18. JCJohn Cena
  That's cool. That's all right.
19. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. He has to. He has to. And he's a giant fan of yours, too. You know who else is a giant fan of yours is Brian Simpson. Brian Simpson was going on last night about how intelligent you are. It was really interesting. You know, he-
21. JCJohn Cena
  You sure it was me?
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, man.
23. JCJohn Cena
  (laughs)
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you do speak fucking Mandarin, which is kinda crazy.
26. JCJohn Cena
  Uh, yeah. Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  How long did it take you to learn that?
28. JCJohn Cena
  Th- Uh, man, I, I was, I was doing that for quite a long time. I've since kinda, um, kinda declined on the studies. Uh, I, a wonderful takeaway from the study of Mandarin, um, just because you know a language doesn't mean you know the culture.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah.
30. JCJohn Cena
  So, that was a fantastic experience with, I... But I, I studied Mandarin for, like, a decade, and I would say, like, um, not even conversationally fluent. It, it was a really tough hill to climb for me.
15:00 – 30:00
No, he's out. …
1. JRJoe Rogan
  he, uh, still involved? Is he out?
2. JCJohn Cena
  No, he's out.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Is he in? He's out.
4. JCJohn Cena
  He's out.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  He's out totally?
6. JCJohn Cena
  Yep.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It seems like he's the guy that'll be out for a little while and then something will happen that'll bring him back in.
8. JCJohn Cena
  No, uh, well...
9. JRJoe Rogan
  No?
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Well-
11. JCJohn Cena
  I don't know. Again, that's, that's way... We were talking about like, "Why is your last event in this place?" I'm like, "Man, 'cause I don't choose the events." Like, I don't... It, that, all that stuff is so far above me. But I know now he's out. I, I... In my eyes, I, I'd like to think that like time heals everything, and yeah, I believe in forgiveness. And, uh, I also believe in like looking at the body of work. But I als- I also know there's a lot of fragile stuff going on there. I don't know, I don't know, man. I don't know.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. It's a hot subject. It, it-
13. JCJohn Cena
  It is.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... could get us into another Chinese Taipei incident (laughs) just discussing it.
15. JCJohn Cena
  Well, no, no. I, man, I'm, I'm...
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
17. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
18. JCJohn Cena
  A- again, uh, I've learned to become a little bit more accountable for, for what I say.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. JCJohn Cena
  And, and just how, just because I feel a certain way about a person doesn't exonerate them from being accountable for their actions.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
22. JCJohn Cena
  And just because he did start, quote-unquote, "all this gangster shit," uh, that doesn't, that doesn't mean he doesn't need to be accountable for his actions.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
24. JCJohn Cena
  So, let's, let's figure out what that means. And then figure out if we can, if we can move forward and, and, and bring that back in the fold, or if, if it stays the way it is.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  What do you think, Tony? Think he's coming back?
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Uh...
27. JCJohn Cena
  I think he would come here.
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, okay.
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I think he would come here too. And I think he, you know, that's one of the more entertaining people of all time. He created the entire universe. You gotta remember, Hogan's Hogan 'cause of him, Cena's Cena 'cause of him.
30:00 – 45:00
Right. …
1. JCJohn Cena
  like, "I don't wanna do anything," so you won't work... In many cases, you won't work to do the work to get better, to get-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. JCJohn Cena
  Or-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  You're just numb.
5. JCJohn Cena
  ... you don't know the messaging. You can't listen to your body.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. JCJohn Cena
  Like, if it's really, really in pain, maybe it's... maybe your body's trying to tell you something. I don't know.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I always assume that people feel pain differently. I mean, I just would imagine. Like, p- like people feel hot sauce differently. Like, some people, they can't have any spice. Some people fucking can have, like, you know, death peppers and they're fine.
9. JCJohn Cena
  So, all right, I'll throw that out to the group. Is pain a personal experience?
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I mean, there's no way I'm as tough as you guys, so yeah, it has to be. (laughs)
11. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
12. JCJohn Cena
  But I think in other dimensions, you might be way tougher. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
15. JCJohn Cena
  I think there's something-
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  You don't know Tony. I can't imagine the dimension. I went and visited a firehouse the other day and I was going down the pole going, "Whee."
17. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Like, you guys wouldn't do that.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  I would do that. (laughs)
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
21. JCJohn Cena
  So- so in that- in that aspect, you're tougher than me.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, he can take ridicule.
23. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, we can take ridicule really easily.
25. JCJohn Cena
  But I-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  But I don't know how... what it feels like for other people. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I would assume that everybody feels the same. But, you know, one of the reasons why I think maybe it is like...... d- it's different, but c- 'cause my mom, my mom has a crazy tolerance to pain. Like, my guy who, uh... My stem cell guy in LA, um, my mom had a, a real knee issue, and he was treating her as well, and he goes, "It's hilarious. Your mother's just like you. She just takes it." Like, she doesn't even flinch. She's stickin' it, like... He's like, "That doesn't happen with, like, 75-year-old ladies." Like, take a needle and shovin' it into their knee and f- and push it, and she just doesn't move.
27. JCJohn Cena
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  And, you know, she's like, "Oh, it wasn't painful. It was no big deal." It's like, you know, a lot of 75-year-old ladies would be fucking sweating and freaking out, seeing the needle.
29. JCJohn Cena
  Pretty sure I would be, yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
45:00 – 1:00:00
Well, it's that and…
1. JCJohn Cena
  all things WWE.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's that and everything that you do where you wanna really be successful.
3. JCJohn Cena
  It takes... Saying yes to the thing means no to everything else.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I had Jensen Huang on the podcast the other day, who's the CEO of NVIDIA. They're, like, one of the biggest companies on planet Earth, huge company. Fucking dude still to this day works seven days a week. And he was talking about when he goes on vacation, I go, "Do you go on vacation and just put it all down?" He goes, "No, I work." He goes, "Even when I'm with my family, I have to work. I'm working. I work seven days a week, I don't take a day off, I love it." And he goes, "And I'm terrified of failure." He goes, "That's my motivatio- My m- my motivation is not, 'I want to succeed.' My motivation is fear of failure."
5. JCJohn Cena
  Yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  "And every day I show up saying, 'If I don't do this, we could fail, and I'm gonna work seven days a week.'" Everybody who thinks they wanna be a CEO, you think you wanna be a billionaire, like, you wanna do that? You wanna do that at, when you're 60 years old? Do you wanna be working seven days a week all day long from the moment you wake up? He wakes up at 4:30 in the morning. He says he answers thousands of emails a day. I'm like, "What? How are you... How is that even fucking possible?" Gets up at 4:30 in the morning, answers all these emails, works all day long constantly problem-solving, making AI chips. It's fucking crazy, right?
7. JCJohn Cena
  Yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's with everything. You wanna be at the top of the heap?
9. JCJohn Cena
  When you see mastery-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  There's only one way.
11. JCJohn Cena
  ... yeah. When you see something difficult look easy, there's a bunch of 4:30 in the morning wake-ups-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. (laughs)
13. JCJohn Cena
  ... that made that happen. You know?
14. JRJoe Rogan
  It's, I think with everything in life.
15. JCJohn Cena
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Anything in life where you really wanna excel at it, there's no shortcuts.
17. JCJohn Cena
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Doesn't exist. That weeds a lot of people out.
19. JCJohn Cena
  It does. It does. And there's a lot of... Man, armchair quarterback is the easiest and best position on the field.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. JCJohn Cena
  "I could do that. All I needed to do was do this." Sure, go right ahead.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
23. JCJohn Cena
  Take your best shot.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, good luck.
25. JCJohn Cena
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  It's in- it's interesting because it must weed out so many talented people. There's probably a lot of talented people that you've seen over the years that just didn't have that drive to constantly improve and succeed and really be thinking about what they're doing all the time.
27. JCJohn Cena
  I, I like that statement, because I think the talent is doing it all. You could, you could have a-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  No, you can have one. You, you can smoke if you want. I don't care.
29. JCJohn Cena
  Smoke 'em if you've got 'em. We're, we're done.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  We have, we have f- we have fans in here.
1:00:00 – 1:09:38
Yeah. …
1. JCJohn Cena
  I wanna make you a bad guy, so we're gonna do that." "Okay, sure we're gonna do that. How do you wanna do that?" But it's, I think it's getting ... We have a lot of talented people, and just allowing them to do their job and, and let you know, like, "Oh, I was kinda thinking this." And then telling them, like, "Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's do that."
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
3. JCJohn Cena
  You know?
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  That's amazing.
5. JCJohn Cena
  'Cause I don't know what I, I don't know what I'd miss if I'm making all the demands.
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  To show you the contrast, his opponent that night came out to, I think it was 40 people on red, white, and blue dirt bikes-
7. JCJohn Cena
  Dirt bikes.
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... all dressed like-
9. JCJohn Cena
  Yeah. It's like ... (laughs)
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... American people. The, uh, they, he-
11. JCJohn Cena
  Nitro Circus. (laughs)
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  He comes out elevated from inside of the stage wearing this super gaudy mask that he has to take off. Fireworks, fireworks, fire, sparks, smoke, all of these different things, and he just comes out blank-faced.
13. JCJohn Cena
  I just got my Bunk sock on the back, just-
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
15. JCJohn Cena
  ... right on.
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
17. JCJohn Cena
  There you go.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  It's so funny hearing Tony talk about this, because for people who don't know-
19. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... the way Tony runs Kill Tony is basically a version of a WWE-
21. JCJohn Cena
  Event?
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... event. I mean, it really is. Like, when he does the arena shows, he's ha- has everything set up like a WWE event.
23. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, even the thing we did with Shane, when Sh- (laughs) when Shane was playing-
25. THTony Hinchcliffe
  (laughs)
26. JRJoe Rogan
  When Shane was playing Trump, when Trump and I were supposedly feuding online. Trump had said something about me online. And then, uh, Trump's talking shit, like as Shane's talking shit, and then the music plays and I show up behind him. It's pure pro wrestling.
27. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  It's pure pro wrestling.
29. THTony Hinchcliffe
  And MSG's on their feet, shocked, you know. You're surprising this crowd that thinks they're just there for a comedy show.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.

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