EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,185 words- 0:00 – 1:36
Setting the stage: ancient mysteries, UFOs, and why Jay’s work resonates
- NANarrator
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- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) We're live. What's happening, man?
- JAJay Anderson
What's up, bro?
- JRJoe Rogan
Very nice to meet you.
- JAJay Anderson
Hey, it's great to meet you as well, Joe. I, uh, really, really appreciate you taking me out here.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my pleasure. I've enjoyed your content for quite a while now, so it's really fun.
- JAJay Anderson
Well, I'd be interested to know when was it that you first started getting interested in what I was doing? What kind of subject, what topic?
- JRJoe Rogan
I wish I remembered. Um-
- JAJay Anderson
'Cause I know you've followed me for a couple years.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJay Anderson
It was before the Khafre Pyramid scans and stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- JAJay Anderson
Like, you know I'm into the UFO subject and things like that, but I wasn't sure what-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's all the silly shit that I love (laughs) .
- JAJay Anderson
(laughs) I hear you, bro.
- JRJoe Rogan
Silly and serious at the same time. Ancient civilizations, mysteries, and obviously aliens.
- JAJay Anderson
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJay Anderson
And it's all cotangent, it all connects together, that's the thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think so too. We actually played a clip. Uh, we had did a podcast yesterday with, uh, Dr. Michael Masters.
- JAJay Anderson
Love him, yeah. I've talked to him a couple times.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he- he was very fun, very smart guy, very interesting guy. But we played, uh, we were talking about the p- he has a theory that aliens are human beings in the future.
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a very strange theory, um-
- JAJay Anderson
Based on like kind of the anthropological-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JAJay Anderson
... view and the physiology and how that might've happened over time.
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's also, what did, what was the model? There's the many worlds theory, and then the, what was his model? There's a different one that, the- the concept is you could, if you lived in the future, you could go back in time and it would not affect the future 'cause everything that's supposed to happen has already happened.
- JAJay Anderson
Right, right.
- 1:36 – 4:11
Nazca tridactyl mummies: CT scans, eggs, fetuses, and the ‘can’t be faked’ argument
- JRJoe Rogan
I try to get my head (laughs) , but anyway, during that time, I asked him about the tridactyl mummies and then we played your clip.
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm, oh, okay, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we played the clip that showed all the scans, we talked about Jesse Michaels and how he went down to Peru-
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and actually touched those things and was there with them.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And how surreal it was.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, I was in Peru recently, not to go and see the Nazca mummies. I wish I could've seen them. I was out there to look at all the megalithic studies and the excavations going on at Sacsayhuaman, which is an incredible megalithic site in Cusco, but the Nazca mummies, I mean, that, what's interesting about it is that obviously you're gonna have a big knee-jerk reaction to something that's so incredibly profound as the idea of these being non-human intelligences that are mummified. But, when you actually look at the CT scans and the X-rays, you start to realize that this can't be faked. You can't fake bone cartilage. You can't fake capillaries and heart valves and a- a fetus inside the body. So-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so nuts.
- JAJay Anderson
Dude, it's crazy. Some of them have eggs inside them, some of them have fetuses, like it's a whole-
- JRJoe Rogan
And it looks like the eggs are big, like they're layer eggs.
- JAJay Anderson
Big eggs like inside them, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like that doesn't even make sense, like what is that?
- JAJay Anderson
And these are small beings. These ones are meant to be like the little, kinda like 60 centimeter beings with like three eggs inside them. Then you've got the big one, Montserrat, which has an actual fetus, like a baby not in an egg. So it's like, if these are all real, it does feel like there was some sort of genetic experimentation going on where they're just churning out prototypes of some form, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think that's it or do you think that there used to be another type of, for lack of a better word, primate?
- JAJay Anderson
Well, the thing is with-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that a primate? I mean, what is that?
- JAJay Anderson
I mean, some of them, they're leaning more towards like reptilian anthropod kind of lineage. So like the bigger ones seem to be more mammalian, whereas the smaller ones with the eggs, they're sharing reptilian traits. So it's like there are all these different variations with these different bodies, different kind of like physiological, um, characteristics, which is why it's like, okay, well is this one lineage or is this just someone kind of like tweaking? All right, well that one failed, that one's not working.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JAJay Anderson
This one grew wings, all right, fuck that one off. Like, you know, it- it's just weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, so that, so your thought is that these are the products of experiments.
- JAJay Anderson
I mean, if you look at, uh, Jesse, when Jesse Michaels, uh, did his documentary, one thing he mentioned, I can't remember, um, where he got this from, but he was saying that the original translation of the area of Nazca from the original language was like, uh, uh, the area of experiment and genetic cloning? Or it was like a really strange definition for the actual area that kinda says experimentation and genetic modification. I can't remember the exact quote, but this was something that he brought up in the documentary and I was like, "Huh? Okay." Then you have all of these various different examples.
- 4:11 – 4:56
‘Laboratory of insemination and cloning’: the Nazca name controversy and Jesse Michaels’ source
- JRJoe Rogan
Can I pa- Can you, I ask you?
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
W- w- who said that? Who called it that?
- JAJay Anderson
So Jesse, when Jesse Michaels put out his documentary, there was just a scene in it. Now, uh, my memory is failing me a little bit, but there's a scene in it where he was talking about the Nazca region, and he said that the original, in the original language, this translates roughly to the area of experimentation and genetics of some form.
- JRJoe Rogan
But how do they know-
- JAJay Anderson
Well, that, I agree.
- JRJoe Rogan
... even what those terms were?
- JAJay Anderson
I- I agree, I agree, but it's just a weird little caveat-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJay Anderson
... that he brought up in the documentary. I'm not quite... He'd probably be rolling his eyes at me now like, "Dude, I actually fucking know exactly what this is." Like d-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JAJay Anderson
Making me look like an idiot.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're butchering it (laughs) .
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, I'm butchering it, but no.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I do that all the time.
- JAJay Anderson
No, for sure, but I, but just the fact that these things exist and they exist in an area of the world which is full of mystery.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- 4:56 – 7:20
Peru’s megalithic architecture: Sacsayhuamán, stone ‘softening,’ and older-than-Inca foundations
- JAJay Anderson
I mean, the megalithic sites around there, like I said, that's what I was out there for, to see these different megalithic sites.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Nazca lines.
- JAJay Anderson
The Nazca lines and, uh, you know, Sacsayhuaman and in the Sacred Valley. You just have like incredibly complex architecture. You know, rose quartz, granite, diorite, andesite, these incredibly hard stones, like in Egypt, but honestly I find Peru even more baffling than Egypt with the architecture because of just the- the level of interlocking precision that you see and the- the fact that it looks like they've softened the stone. In Sacsayhuaman it looks like marshmallows, like all squished together, and it just invokes a lot of different theories from people about how they were actually manipulating the stone.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, because it doesn't seem like it was just carved.
- JAJay Anderson
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? Like it d- it does seem like there's some areas where chunks are, have been removed-
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... from, you know, the quarries, but when they're all pieced together, when you see those weird like curvatures to it, it's like, what were you guys doing? And perfect precision.
- JAJay Anderson
Perfect precision, and like-... sometimes you'll see, like, these corners where just a tiny bit of stone is jutting up and then the other two are connecting into it. So, this is such a ridiculous level of complexity for an apparent 600-year-ago bronze age, bronze chisels and stone hammer tool-wielding civilization.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJay Anderson
And, and also in Peru is, what I find very interesting is you've got a brilliant visual contrast to use when you look at what is the Inca work, which is the rough-cut stone, the mortar brick using walls. Like, this is all present in Peru next to the megalithic sites. And the mainstream will attribute all of this to the Inca of 600 years ago, but you'll see that the stone walls that are rough-cut and use cement and mortar, they're still standing. They're pretty pristine. They're looking good next to megalithic multi-ton slabs of granite that are broken into pieces and strewn across the hillside. So, it just looks like there was a lot of desolation, potentially geological trauma in this area, and then these people, the Inca, discovered these sites, built around them. You can see in, like, the cracks and corners of all these megaliths, so there's, like, stone walls that they've tried to kind of, you know, reinforce. It's very visually obvious, actually, when you go out to these places.
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't it fascinating that people aren't willing to consider the possibility that this is from an older time? Like, the- it's heresy.
- JAJay Anderson
It's just such a knee-jerk reaction, man. Like, I think, at the end of the day, we're still using models from, like, 1800s explorers, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JAJay Anderson
(laughs) And it's like, what the fuck? Like, we've moved forward.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 7:20 – 9:26
Underground Peru: the Chincana labyrinth legend and new excavation hints
- JAJay Anderson
There's a lot of contradicting evidence and data in a lot of these countries, whether it be, you know, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey or the potential infrastructure below the Giza Plateau, and then the incredible, uh, megaliths in Sacsay- in Peru, like Sacsayhuaman. It just feels like what we're doing is rehashing the same status quo orthodoxy, and it's coming up against a ever-piling higher mountain of evidence. And one of the cool things that I got to do out in Peru was go to, uh, Sacsayhuaman where they've got current archaeological digs going on, uh, through the Chincana project, which is an archaeological team out there, and they're doing digs. And they have actually discovered below, like, 10 meters down into the ground, precision-carved blocks of stone that are coming out of the earth. And this is where, in this region, in Cusco, the Andean legends are that there is a vast labyrinth below ground connecting Cusco to Sacsayhuaman, connecting Sacsayhuaman to the Sacred Valley, all spreading out across the Andean mountain range. And this is, like, an old legend. This is what the shamans and the, you know, sacred keepers of knowledge would say in Peru. We're finding evidence for it. We're literally going underground now and seeing that there are actually really precise elements of infrastructure below Sacsayhuaman, and they're just beginning to uncover this. So, I was one of the first to go down there and actually see these blocks myself. And it's just like, this is happening now, th- You know, we're actually getting to a place where we can start to validate some of these forgotten myths and folklores, or if you want to call them conspiracies or pseudoscience from the archaeological side of things. It's being evidenced now.
- JRJoe Rogan
That- That's mad. So, these tunnels and ca-
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what- what is exactly the structure that's supposed to be down there, and what have they discovered?
- JAJay Anderson
So, it's- it's supposed to be called the Chincana, like the labyrinth, and there's a few different Chincana entrances around the region.
- JRJoe Rogan
How big is it supposed to be?
- JAJay Anderson
Vast. Multiple kilometers. It's stretching from down Sacsayhuaman, down into Cusco, and then off into the Andean mountain range to the Sacred Valley.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, so it's very similar-
- JAJay Anderson
Similar to Egypt.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to some of the stuff they found in Egypt.
- JAJay Anderson
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's-
- JAJay Anderson
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... bananas.
- 9:26 – 10:58
Global stone ‘knobs’ and the archaeology gatekeeping problem
- JAJay Anderson
Yes. Yes. And then what's interesting is you have the same hallmarks and signatures that you see in Egypt. So, you see the stone knobs, you know, these little protrusions that you get?
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh.
- JAJay Anderson
I'm- I'm addicted to those, man, 'cause they are all over the world.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you have any theories?
- JAJay Anderson
All... I mean, I've listened to a lot of theories. I- I certainly think that the-
- JRJoe Rogan
We should show an image of it for people that aren't-
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, like, uh, stone-
- JRJoe Rogan
... still know what we're talking about.
- JAJay Anderson
... stone knobs.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's all these incredible massive stones that have been, somehow or another, moved from a quarry, sometimes that were hundreds of miles away.
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
They have these weird nubs on them, and no one knows what they are. There's a bunch of theories, like, maybe they helped them move-
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, there's things.
- JRJoe Rogan
... these things. You see them all over the place.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And no one quite knows what those are.
- JAJay Anderson
You see them in India, you see them in, um, Egypt. You see them in Peru. This is in Ollantaytambo in the Sacred Valley.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're missing... This is one of the things that's so infuriating about people that are arrogant about gatekeeping information-
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and being the only ones that are allowed to distribute the truth.
- JAJay Anderson
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Air quotes.
- JAJay Anderson
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're missing so much.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's no way you really know.
- JAJay Anderson
Huge gaps of knowledge. Huge.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're missing so much, and more time goes on. As Graham Haw- Graham Hancock always says, "Shit just keeps getting older." And now they just pushed back the use of fire by 300,000-plus years.
- JAJay Anderson
Right. Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- 10:58 – 21:11
Cataclysms, bottlenecks, and ‘ancient memory’: survival as a driver of culture
- JRJoe Rogan
Th- This is what weirds me out a- about these creatures.
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, human beings have gotten to the point, uh, m- multiple times where we're almost extinct. Uh, the Toba volcano, I think-
- JAJay Anderson
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... we got down to... God, was it 7,000 people? Is that, like, the low estimate?
- JAJay Anderson
Damn, really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It was... It's a crazy story. Like, super volcanoes are unbelievably devastating to just all life, you know, because it just changes the temperature of the earth, the entire resurface. Whatever doesn't get blasted out of the-
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the ground by the actual volcano itself, all the other stuff on the other side of the world gets fucked. Like, it's just-
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It just ruins everything. We got down to, like, a few thousand people, and then there was another time where one of these guys c- came... God, I forgot who that was as well. They were-
- JAJay Anderson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
We were talking about the- the reality of, uh...... glaciation-
- JAJay Anderson
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and about what happens during ice ages and how devastating it can be. And they were saying that we had gotten at least multiple times in the history of the Earth to the point where it was incapable of sustaining life.
- JAJay Anderson
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
But within a few-
- JAJay Anderson
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you know, like whatever parts per million of carbon dioxide are necessary to support plant life, we literally got to the part where there was almost impossible to support life, and then it rebounded-
- JAJay Anderson
Right, right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and everything's fine. So there's so much we don't know.
- JAJay Anderson
Absolutely, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is so crazy to try to pretend, you know, that people 600 years ago made this, because we know people 600 years ago lived there. We have a lot of archeological evidence, and we have... But you have weird structures on top of obviously much more intricate and complex structures.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah. And again, they share the same signatures as places like in Egypt and in, uh, you know...
- JRJoe Rogan
But if you bring this up, they think you're a kook.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, they do. Uh, it's just a knee-jerk reaction. It's, it's... Again, it's adherence to a status quo and, and, you know, you get channeled through a very kind of fine wall in academia. And I, I, I think that it can, it can be a real detriment actually to opening up your, uh, ideas and, and being a little bit more expansive with what could be possible. Because you do get put into a very restrictive, uh, format in, in the traditional academic sense. And then obviously you have, you know, the pressures of, of funding and, and things like this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JAJay Anderson
And it's, you're not gonna get the funding if you're talking about this crazy shit. And it's just like a self-fulfilling, uh, censoring, you know? Um, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's really too bad.
- JAJay Anderson
... with the rise of alternative media, we're changing the game a bit because you can actually put a voice out there. You can put an idea out there. It's not completely stonewalled by the academic circle. They can't actually prevent people from discussing these ideas in an open medium format like this.
- 21:11 – 23:00
Why early structures look too advanced: alignments, engineering, and the timeline problem
- JAJay Anderson
And that's why pre-history is so fascinating, and the, the Neolithic and the Stone Age, because, okay, so this is a time when we were just basic hunter-gatherers. We had no i- i- you know, intelligence, no language, no real understanding of the world, according to the mainstream. But this is where you have multi-ton, geodetically aligned solar equinox, and, and, uh, um ... What's the, the lunar alignment? Um, I've completely just blanked just 'cause I'm a little bit nervous of being on here, but- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JAJay Anderson
Um, like, you know, like equinox alignments-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JAJay Anderson
... and, and, and, like, alignments to the, to the Sun and the Moon, uh, mathematically, geodetically aligned to what look like telluric currents, like electromagnetic flows beneath the ground. A lot of these stonehenges and dolmens are placed on places where you have strong electromagnetic concentrations. And just the, the, the, the package of, um, mathematics and engineering and stone crafting, and the knowledge of the Sun and the stars and your placement on the planet to create things like, you know, Stonehenge and these other areas in the world, how, how can you do that if you're just hunter-gatherers coming out of, you know, animalistic behavior? It doesn't make any sense. And then we kind of regress as we go further into history, and, you know, the, the stonework becomes less impressive. The things become less accurate. And I find that very interesting. How is it at the beginnings of our history, some of the most impressive structures exist?
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly. It doesn't make any sense.
- JAJay Anderson
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
And just Egypt alone with the conventional timeline of 2,500 BC for the Great Pyramid doesn't make any sense.
- JAJay Anderson
No, it doesn't. I think that they most likely settled around those pyramids.
- JRJoe Rogan
Most likely.
- JAJay Anderson
Most likely settled around them, and, and, you know, the scans, if these can be validated fully and empirically with digs and confirmation physically, then that changes everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
It changes everything.
- JAJay Anderson
Everything.
- 23:00 – 26:35
Khafre/Giza scan controversy: SAR/radar tomography, deep structures, and mainstream backlash
- JRJoe Rogan
You're seeing a lot of people spazz out online because of it.
- JAJay Anderson
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's wonderful to watch.
- JAJay Anderson
Woo-hoo.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's been wonderful to watch because when people are under pressure, their real character gets revealed.
- JAJay Anderson
Right, right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they're under a lot of pressure right now because those scans, that radio tomography or whatever the fuck it is-
- JAJay Anderson
Synthetic aperture radar, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's super accurate with stuff that we know exists.
- JAJay Anderson
Yes, yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what's a real problem for these people.
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You wanna believe it exists when it can map out all these chambers in the pyramid. You wanna believe it exists when it can map out things that are ... that we know-
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that exist 50 feet underground.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You wanna map ... You're, you're cool with that.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, yeah. But one kilometer of, uh, subterranean-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJay Anderson
Oh, no, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
Also-
- JAJay Anderson
No, no, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
... multiple scans from multiple-
- JAJay Anderson
Multiple, like, over 200. Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. It's all the same message.
- JAJay Anderson
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're getting the same message. There's pillars, enormous pillars. They have coils around them.
- JAJay Anderson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
What?... pillars with coils, all of them have coils.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, dude.
- 26:35 – 30:07
Pyramids as machines: acoustics, hydrology, piezoelectric granite, and energy-generation theories
- JAJay Anderson
Well, you know, Filippo thinks that. He seems to think that the spirals might have actually been tied to hydrology and, uh, using, uh, mechanical stress and the piezoelectric materials used in the, uh, Great Pyramid and the, uh, s- plateau itself because what you have is a very interesting coupling between, uh, limestone and, and rose granite. So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics and rose granite is, uh, becomes electrical, piezoelectric under mechanical stress and acoustics are a form of mechanical stress. So there's like, uh, uh, certainly something to be said about the fact that the, uh, pyramids are acoustically tuned. Like, they're incredible inside, the acoustics. And they've done lots of measurements and experiments on, on validating that, but it almost seems to go up in a perfect scale up to the King's Chamber. Um, and then the King's Chamber itself, I believe, is focused around 110 to 115 hertz which is interesting for neurological, uh, reasons in terms of influencing the brain. But on top of that, you have, again, this incredible coupling between limestone and rose quartz granite where, under the right conditions, you absolutely could get energetic responses from that. But as well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge which is really quite impressive and when you look at places like, uh, the Osirian in Abydos which is, uh, a kind of, um, sunken down temple. We- we call everything a temple or a sacred site, but we really don't know, do we? They could be functional sites, could be a, a power plant-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JAJay Anderson
... of some form, like you said. And, uh, uh, the Osirian in Abydos, next to it you have the Seti I Temple which is incredible, it's beautiful and full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics. And then you have this bare, faceless megalithic place called the Abyd- um, the Osirian which is sunken down into the ground, perpetually filled with water so they try to pump it out and it just fills back up again because it's connected down into the, uh, into the water table.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- JAJay Anderson
And there's all these different shafts and hydrological kind of, um, components in this site that they don't understand the full function of. And then you look at places like, um, the Great Pyramid where you go down to the bottom of the, uh, Great Pyramid, you have like the kind of core and this whole area looks like it's been water eroded as if it was flooded out repeatedly and uses some sort of, uh, like a pump or some sort of like sequencing area where you, you know, push water in and then let it out, push water in and let it out. And so Filippo thinks that maybe these spirals bringing water up and if you're 1,000 meters down you're tapping into like ancient aquifers so you could be drawing up a really impressive amount of like ancient, ancient water. And I just wonder if same with Peru, there's something incredibly important about accessing this kind of water at the real depths of the Earth and they seem to have a real interest in doing that so perhaps the pyramids are in some way like... I mean if these spirals are real it's like a plug isn't it? It's like plugged into the Earth connected down into these aquifers. Perhaps it was utilizing, uh, water as an energetic medium through the materials.
- JRJoe Rogan
I would recommend to anybody to check out Christopher Dunn's work.
- JAJay Anderson
Oh, fantastic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, I had him on the podcast and he explained to us his theory. He's an engineer.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he started studying the structure of the pyramid and his conclusion was the entire thing was probably used to generate energy.
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it's like, "What?" But when he breaks it down in terms of... I'll butcher the math if I even try but in terms of the dimensions-
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the way it's made-
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and the fact that you could have something that was down in the basement that was somehow or another creating a resonance-
- JAJay Anderson
Right, right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that would have this effect, the shafts-
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that go out straight out into space and the fact that there's evidence that they, they, they would possibly use these shafts to pour chemicals in and it would create gases and...
- JAJay Anderson
Well, this is, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's pretty nuts.
- 30:07 – 42:18
Lightning rods and ‘Land of Chem’: iron veins at Giza, alchemy roots, and chemical manufacturing ideas
- JAJay Anderson
... it, it is nuts. But, you know, I was ... When I was, uh ... Not the last time I was out in Egypt, but the time before then, I was out there with a guy called Geoffrey Drumm. Uh, he's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Chem, and he's all about this, in terms of the chemical mass manufacturing that he believes was going on in the pyramids and these other areas. And, uh, it ... We filmed all of the, uh, all of the coverage of that, if anyone wants to go and see it on our E- on my YouTube channel. Um, taking us through areas in the Giza plateau where you have an incredible concentration, on the Giza plateau, of iron veins, and they all seem to be emanating from the pyramids. So, if you go around the pyramids, you'll see these iron vein networks that are flowing out from the central point, and these iron veins are heading down into what are called these boat pits, in-
- JRJoe Rogan
When you say iron veins, so like, like-
- JAJay Anderson
Like iron ore. Iron-
- JRJoe Rogan
Iron ore.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, iron ore.
- JRJoe Rogan
And is it ... It's not on the surface. It's deep in the ground?
- JAJay Anderson
I mean, there's some on the surface, so you can actually see the snaking kind of veins of iron that's kind of rusted out and oxidized, and you can, you can make it out, but, um, m- surely it must be deeper as well. But it seems to be stretching out from the pyramids down into these, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like it's emanating from the pyramids?
- JAJay Anderson
Well, it ... So his theory is that they built the pyram-
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. We're going deep here.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay?
- JAJay Anderson
His the- his theory is that they built the pyramids on top of these iron veins, particularly because this place was getting lightning strikes, uh, frequently.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, boy.
- JAJay Anderson
And that they were using y-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, I know. I know. I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a giant lightning rod.
- JAJay Anderson
Dude, I mean, these things are built in a way, and they were gold-capped at one point, like highly conductive.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. And gold is a really good conductor. Right?
- JAJay Anderson
Conductor of electricity.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why they like it for electronics.
- JAJay Anderson
And the Giza plateau is covered in these conductive iron vein networks, which the pyramids do seem to be built upon. Now, this is, you know, his personal theory, but he- you know, he's an American who's been living out in Cairo now for about six or seven years, I believe. He's been ... He just decided to up and, uh, move out there and dedicate his life to exploring these places. And so he took us across, uh, you know, all of these amazing areas and, and showed us things that I'd never seen before in Egypt. Um, but his theory on, on the, on the pyramids, uh, is similar to Christopher Dunn in terms of some form chemical manufacturing taking place and ... If you know, um, the original name for Egypt was Kemet, that's why this guy has got his YouTube channel The Land of Chem. Kemet is the beginning of chemistry and alchemy, so this is whe- uh, one of the root words where we then got chemistry and alchemy from. So, it is the land of chemistry and alchemy, and, uh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's bananas.
- JAJay Anderson
There you go. Is this, uh-
- NANarrator
Yeah, it's from his videos.
- JAJay Anderson
Oh, this is one of his videos. Great, so-
- JRJoe Rogan
These are ... This is the iron ore?
- JAJay Anderson
So these are the ... Yeah. I believe he's probably highlighting the iron veins, and these iron veins head out into what are called, uh, boat pits, which they believed, in the mainstream, uh, interpretation, we-
- JRJoe Rogan
You're freaking me out with The Land of Chem. That's, that is crazy. But when did they name that?
- 42:18 – 44:49
From ancient aliens to ancient civilizations (and both): Joe’s ‘cognitive dissonance’ journey
- JAJay Anderson
W- was there, like, a choice, like, a conscious decision for you to kind of, like, evolve it from just, you know, c- comedians talking shop to actually getting different guests on from a variety of subjects? 'Cause I know you're a curious person, and you've probably been researching these things even at the point before you were doing that kind of podcast, 'cause well, clearly you were. But yeah, like, what was the natural evolution of that for you?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I was always into books about-
- JAJay Anderson
Ah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... ancient history, and whether it's r- you know, like, modernly ac- you know, commonly accepted-
- JAJay Anderson
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... narrative, or-
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Graham Hancock stuff. But I got into Graham Hancock stuff, I think, in the '90s, Fingerprints of the Gods came out.
- JAJay Anderson
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I fucking loved it. I, I was so fascinated by it. I couldn't shut the fuck up about it.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I would tell people-
- JAJay Anderson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and be like, "You gotta see this." Like-
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "I think this guy's right." I, I think we're, we are a history with amnesia-
- JAJay Anderson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... or a, a race with amnesia.
- JAJay Anderson
Race with amnesia.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then, um, of course, I watched Chariots of the Gods, that film, which I thought was very kooky and fun.
- JAJay Anderson
(laughs) It's fun.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very campy-
- JAJay Anderson
It is fun. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and fun.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And here's the thing about that. I dismissed it for a long time, and I said it's nonsense. And I was... Y- I actually had lunch once. Eric Weinstein-
- JAJay Anderson
Nice, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... took me to, uh, lunch at Peter Thiel's house-
- JAJay Anderson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... where we talked to, uh, von Däniken, and-
- 44:49 – 52:22
Bigfoot, interdimensional possibilities, and perception limits
- JAJay Anderson
I had a Ro- had a Russian astronaut tell me a Bigfoot story.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What did he say?
- JAJay Anderson
Well, he, I mean, you know, pinch of salt, but he, uh, he claimed that he had been told this by a military guy out in, uh, out in Russia that a, uh... (laughs) they were, they were in the rec room of this, like, air force base, and apparently (laughs) , this is according to, uh, this, uh, Russian astronaut trainer at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Moscow, and he said that, uh, this, uh, this yeti Sasquatch-type being apparently just waltzed in, like, just walked into their rec room, helped itself to some water from the water, uh, thing, waved, and then vanished. I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, so this guy, what was his job?
- JAJay Anderson
He was a trainer of astronauts at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Star City, Moscow.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro, they probably dosed him up with so many-
- JAJay Anderson
I bet they did.
- JRJoe Rogan
... fucking MKUltra drugs.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you, you're holding onto that kind of information-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's an interesting story.
- JAJay Anderson
... they would probably experiment on you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJay Anderson
They probably gave that guy some medicine- Oh, I, I never saw Bigfoot.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and he said Bigfoot was.
- JAJay Anderson
I've never given the, the Sasquatch thing its, uh, its due course in, in researching it, to be honest. I've been very dismissive of that. But maybe it's real.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I have.
- JAJay Anderson
I mean, maybe, you know, I mean, like, the p-
- JRJoe Rogan
I have.
- JAJay Anderson
... the demographic behind it.
- JRJoe Rogan
I spent years with... I used to have a Sasquatch, Bigfoot footprint, like a cast-
- JAJay Anderson
Oh, yeah?
- JRJoe Rogan
... like a plaster cast on the desk-
- JAJay Anderson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... that, uh, rest in peace Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum-
- JAJay Anderson
Nice.
- JRJoe Rogan
... he just recently died.
- 52:22 – 1:10:11
CE5 and Jay’s UFO account: ‘asked them to come’ and the orange-orb triangle event
- JAJay Anderson
Yeah. I, I, I can't speak to technologically assisted psionics and all that kind of stuff, but, um, do you wanna hear my UFO story?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JAJay Anderson
I can. (laughs) So-
- JRJoe Rogan
100%. First of all, where... Did you come up with this idea on your own? Or did you hear about people doing this?
- JAJay Anderson
No, I, I, uh, I heard of it from someone who's a quite polarizing figure in the UFO community. I don't know if you've spoken to him, Dr. Steven Greer. Um, but, uh, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Polarizing people are right sometimes.
- JAJay Anderson
He's right on this. Um, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they could be right on a lot of things.
- JAJay Anderson
He's right on this. And, uh, you know, I, uh, I, I, I know that a lot of people have issues with, uh, with Greer. But I... He was actually my intro into the UFO subject. So I'll tell you the story. (clears throat) Sorry about my throat. Let me just take a sip of water actually.
- JRJoe Rogan
No worries.
- JAJay Anderson
So, um, this was, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
How did he find out about it?
- JAJay Anderson
That's a good question. Um, he had a near-death experience, I believe. And from that, was actually apparently communicated to and shown things that when he came out of that experience, he became a Samadhi-type, you know, teacher-
- JRJoe Rogan
Of course.
- JAJay Anderson
... and, uh, you know, got profoundly interested in consciousness.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a great origin story.
- JAJay Anderson
Brilliant origin story.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JAJay Anderson
Um, my origin story was I was really bored during COVID. (laughs) No, so, like, honestly though, um, it was actually in 2019 that I had these experiences. And I, I do think that it's very important to lay a bit of foundational groundwork because I think a lot of people will recognize this as well. Uh, and it's something that you mentioned, with Bigfoot being in a high-stress environment in the forest, maybe that changes your perception. And, uh, I, I think that there's a degree of trauma and a degree of, uh, intense emotional, uh, moments that can bring about paranormal experiences. Uh, I don't know why, but it does seem to be something that a lot of people relate to. Yes, I was in a very dark time. Yes, I was having a very traumatic time. Or yes, I was going through something, and then this happened.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JAJay Anderson
And so for me, um, I was in my third year of university and struggling. I just had a whole m-mix of personal issues going on, um, so I, I ended up kinda dropping out before I finished and, uh, was just in a really bad rut. And my dad was worried about me and he, uh, he said, "Look, I'm, I'm out in..." Uh, this is a bit of a long story, but it's important to lay this foundation, I think, before I talk about what I actually experienced because it, it plays in. Um, my dad was worried, he, he was out in France at the time and he said, "Look, do you wanna come out and stay at this place with me and just, you know, kind of relax and bring yourself back to normal?" I was like, "Yeah, okay." So I come out and, uh, he was like, uh, "I've got these books that I've been reading. I think they'd be really beneficial for you. Um, you should read them." And I was like, "Ugh, okay." Like, you know, "I don't see how a book's gonna change anything."
- JRJoe Rogan
Does he often recommend books?
- JAJay Anderson
N- not massively, no. In fact, no, no, this was the only time he recommended books, which is interesting. Um, and they were a series of books called Conversations with God by Neal Donald Walsch. Have you ever heard of him?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- JAJay Anderson
Okay. So it's interesting. Uh, it kinda ties into, I suppose, the, the channeled works, things that people believe they receive.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wait a minute, I have heard of this. Yes. Okay, yeah.
- JAJay Anderson
He's, he's quite well-known, he's quite well-known. Um, he, you know, was a, he was a radio DJ, broke his neck in a car accident, became homeless, finally managed to get back on his feet, but was still struggling, wrote an angry letter to God, and then apparently woke up at three o'clock in the morning and was having, like, voices literally telling him to write things down. And so he wrote all of this down and this became Conversations with God. It's literally a dialogue of him asking questions and him receiving answers, which he interpreted as from God. Now, that is intense and I'm definitely not here to say this is a Bible and everyone should read it. However, it was incredibly impactful for me at that time. The things that I was reading about, it was a very different idea of God, universal consciousness, m- leaning towards more than some weird patriarchal cloud-living figure that just never made sense to me. So it, it, it got me in and I was reading it and it helped tremendously, weirdly enough, um, which I didn't expect. And that put me on a path towards researching metaphysics and philosophy and, and science and consciousness, and, and that's where it really started for me. But then a couple of years down the line, I found myself in another depression in a sense because I felt like I'd accumulated a lot of information about various different topics that I thought were, like, these big questions and big answers and big esoteric things, and I- I just got to a point where I was like, "None of this is actually helping me in my life. In fact, I'm actually feeling, like, fucking worse for looking into all of this thing and I don't know how this is gonna benefit me." So I was sitting on my bed one night and I just, I, I guess you could call it a prayer, I just sat on my bed and said out loud to the universe, like, "I, I need something that validates all of this. Like, if I'm meant to be looking into these big picture questions about the universe and consciousness, i- if there's something tangible here, like, I, I, I need to know and I want evidence and I'm ready for it, so give me it, I want that." And then like a week, a week later, my best friend at the time, he was like, uh, "Hey, I've been, I was watching this documentary, you've gotta check it out. It's called, uh, Unacknowledged by this guy called Dr. Steven Greer." And this was my first introduction to the UFO subjects. I was like, "Okay, cool." Sit down, watch that, very good documentary, all of these different, you know, high-level officers and missile launch guys talking about UFOs. It got me in, and then near the end of that is when he brings up this concept of CE5, you know, initiating contact with these. You can actually have your own experiences by getting into a particular meditative state. If I hadn't been making that request on my bed the week prior, I probably just would've watched that documentary and gone about my life, but it felt like a very strong message to me personally because I'd been asking for something to validate these ideas around consciousness. Now there's a guy saying, "Yeah, you can actually have an experience by going out and attempting to, you know, ask for one."
- JRJoe Rogan
So talk me through the process of actually doing that.
- JAJay Anderson
(clears throat) So he has-
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you get it on the first try?
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