Joe Rogan Experience #2433 - James McCann

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:01

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's happening, baby? Hello. That's fucking good.

   3. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann0:15

      Is this where we start it, that we going?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Where start ... Oh, oh no.

   5. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann0:20

      (laughs)

   6. NANarrator0:20

      Not over the relics.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      The dirty, dirtier this, uh, table is, the better.

   8. NANarrator0:24

      Get it away from the ... What is that?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      The relics. That is, uh, that's from my friend, John Reeves. He gave that to me. That's a mastodon tooth, or woolly mammoth, or what's the difference? What is the difference between woolly mammoth and a mastodon? They must be a different-

   10. NANarrator0:39

       One is a bitch.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       ... age, a different era. But, uh, that's a giant tooth that (grunts) he ... There's a company in Alaska, I forget the name, but they, uh ... It kinda seems fucked to carve into this thing, 'cause it is 10,000 years old at least.

   12. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann0:53

       How many of them are there, though? Do they have heaps of them?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       They have heaps of them.

   14. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann0:55

       Oh, that's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       But this is really cool. It's like they carved, uh, a mammoth in it. So what is the difference? According to our sponsor, Perplexity-

   16. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:03

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       ... a woolly mammoth and a mastodon were related, but quite different ice age elem- elephants. Mammoths were taller, more slightly built grass eaters, while mastodons were shorter, stockier browsers that ate woody plants. Okay.

   18. NANarrator1:17

       I was gonna say the hair, maybe, but I don't ... It's obviously more-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Woolly mammoth, right? Yeah, mastodon looks like a elephant.

   20. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:23

       Yeah, the mastodon horn does look cooler.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       They're pretty cool. They're all pretty cool. Do you know? They lived on an ... Was it ... What ... When were the last mastodons? I wanna think ... I wanna say they lived on island until, like, 10,000 years ago or something like that, 'cause most of 'em died out. They don't, they don't know how they died out, but the- there's two theories. One, one theory is people killed them all, which is a sh- shaky theory, 'cause it's people of 10,000 years ago with fucking sticks.

   22. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:57

       Were they around 10,000 years ago?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they died-

   24. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann2:00

       We definitely did that then.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       I don't think so. I think it was a cataclysm. I think it was the same thing that killed 65% of all megafauna.

   26. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann2:08

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       That's the problem. It killed so many different animals, like, almost instantaneously.

   28. NANarrator2:11

       Uh, mammoths were extinct around 4,000 years ago.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       Yeah, that's it. 4,000 years ago. Wrangel Island, remote Arctic island off Siberia's coast, had the last woolly mammoths-

   30. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann2:20

       Oh.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      away from that life.

   2. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann15:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      That girl, one girl got sober. So there was like a take to it where they realized like, "Hey, this is not sustainable. This is a crazy way to live. I'm a mother. Like, what am I doing?" You know? And she was trying to get out of it. Which I think a lot of people do come to the realization if you're in that kind of a community, "I gotta get the fuck away from these crazy assholes and stop doing meth."

   4. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann15:20

      It is ... Yeah, I think-

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      But it's how do you do it? See, this is the thing. This is the thing. When you say like, is it a, is it true that m- there's a higher percentage of murders that occur in Black communities? Right. Right. But as opposed to poor communities? Like, what about like, in deeply impoverished communities? Like, and then when you introduce a history of gang violence and crime and no one ever does anything to stop it, it's gonna stay the same.

   6. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann15:48

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:48

      Whether it's in Appalachia or whether it's i- ... Like, the Hatfields and the McCoys, all those motherfuckers that were killing each other back in the Wild West days. I mean, it was probably horrible back then. Why? Because they let it be that way. Nobody did anything about it. You couldn't stop them.

   8. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann16:01

      And I think some of the solutions for it are very bad. This is my, it's ... I don't wanna speak outta turn 'cause it's not my country, but like, when I've been driving through-

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:08

      Please. People love to come to America and tell us what to do. I love it.

   10. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann16:11

       Well, I lo- I think it's the greatest country in the world. And I'll repeat that again.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Me too.

   12. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann16:14

       But when I drive through like a bad area and there's like a Planned Parenthood with a line around the block-

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Yeah.

   14. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann16:20

       ... and things set on fire. And you can just t- like, I know that Planned Parenthood started out as a eugenicist organization where they went ... Like, that was the lady who founded it. That was her thing. And you can really see in those neighborhoods, it's like if you have a child here, you're gonna be tied to this community. We want you to get out. We want people who have the spirit to get outta here and to live a good full life in America, not to be tied down to being in like a really difficult crime-riddled area.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Yeah.

   16. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann16:48

       So abort your children so you can get out seems to be the ...

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Hoo. (sigh)

   18. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann16:52

       I think they're still doing the eugenicist thing of being like, "Just be free." For different reasons, not 'cause they wanna dilute the numbers in the population or whatever. But because they go, "You've gotta be a free person who can leave and children will tie you to a place."

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       Yeah, that's a way to look at it.

   20. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann17:05

       That was ... When I was driving through, I forget what, Wisconsin? Northern Wisconsin? I don't know. I just hit with this s- ah, man, it's like usually the, the rough area of a town is lifted up by a freeway in America. Like you don't see ... If you drive into Chicago, you're just way up here on a freeway and then you come down into like the most beautiful buildings you've ever seen in your life and people go-

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann17:26

       "It's very scary over in the other part of Chicago." And you go, "I never saw it. I was-"

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       Above it in a, yeah.

   24. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann17:30

       "I was 30 feet in the air."

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       Yeah, that's a good move.

   26. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann17:32

       But in some places I have driven through it and I've gone or I've stopped and you go, "This ... Someone's g-" Like, if I lived here ... I mean, there are some areas that are so rough (laughs) where it's like, man, if I lived here, I would go and steal and kill from the people who live 20 minutes up the road for sure. Do you know? Like, you just drive 20 minutes up the road and there's a German town and everything's perfect.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       Right.

   28. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann17:53

       And everyone's rich and everyone's beautiful.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       Yep.

   30. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann17:55

       And you ... This doesn't happen in ... I don't know. I'm from a very flat country by comparison.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      that I've talked to. And he's like, "But Joe Rogan has the biggest audience in the world. He has a, a bigger audience." He's like, "Well, go get a big audience."

   2. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:07

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      "Go get it."

   4. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:10

      It's not like they don't have the finances.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Yeah. "You just go, go figure it out, do it right, and you'll get a big audience. Like, it's not that fucking complicated. I don't have pyrotechnics."

   6. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:19

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      "There's no CGI. There's not even a crew."... I mean, there's a skeleton crew of people who do this.

   8. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:25

      But I think, I think some of it is the... It's this, like, ivory tower mentality of if, if it becomes-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:32

      S-

   10. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:32

       ... like, that they think. There is a, there is a sense in people who have got, like, a very big education and have gone through the whatever system you have to jump through to get to an elite-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Right.

   12. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:42

       ... legacy thing-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Right.

   14. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:43

       ... is that most people are too stupid to, to have, like, an open and honest conversation with.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       Right.

   16. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:49

       And that if stupid people like you, then that's a problem. Th- That's how they're viewing the world, in that there's like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       Well, there's al-

   18. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann30:55

       ... that there are-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       They're also viewing the world in that they're protecting people from opinions they don't agree with. Even though they listen to those opinions, it has no effect on their position.

   20. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann31:04

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       They keep the same position.

   22. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann31:05

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       But they're worried that people dumber than them... It's a very condescending thought process.

   24. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann31:10

       To think that you're the only open-minded person.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       Right.

   26. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann31:12

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       And not only that, and people that are dumber l- is, uh, which is most people, you're- you're going to fall into the trap of what this person's saying that I don't agree with.

   28. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann31:20

       And this... Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       Yeah.

   30. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann31:21

       And that if you, and that the only way to get people to listen to you is to, like, spin lies, but, like-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Bro, bro, they came…

   1. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann45:00

      Eisenhower was like, "Can we get a nuke in there?" And people said, "No, Mr. President."

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Bro, bro, they came real close to nuking things three or four times.

   3. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann45:06

      But what a beautiful thing that you, you held back.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      Yes. Yeah.

   5. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann45:10

      No one else would've. I talk about this, I think about this a lot. That like, r- if anyone else had discovered the nuclear weapon, that's it, you'd have global hegemony by one power forever.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      Well, I think that is one thing about America that most people will agree to, is that we like to think of ourselves as being the best country in America, and that comes with responsibility.

   7. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann45:32

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:32

      Being the greatest superpower comes with responsibility. That's why people get real uncomfortable about, like, drone bombing statistics and shit like that. They get real uncomfortable 'cause it makes you really, really question, like, w- what we do.

   9. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann45:43

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       When you (stutters) , you know, when you tell people, "Did you know that more than 80% of the people that die in drone bombings are civilians? Accidental kills?"

   11. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann45:52

       Well, also, every time someone tries to be nice about Obama, then they have to go, "Well, the drone bombings, he did-"

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Yeah.

   13. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann45:57

       "... drone bomb a lot of innocent people."

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       I know. They always have to do that. You know, listen, I think we found out through Obama most likely what you find out through anybody that gets through there that's not Trump, is that they immediately co-opt you into the system. You had no idea how the system worked until you got in there. You were a senator for two years, and then all of a sudden you're president. You had some amazing ideas and you're a great spokesperson, and probably the best statesman we've ever had. Like, the best representative of the best about America. A guy who is from a single mom, you know, grew up poor, didn't, you know, didn't have a silver spoon in his mouth.

   15. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann46:30

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       Forget about all the narratives of hi- him being nar- uh, uh, related somehow to the Bushes. There's a lot of that.

   17. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann46:35

       I didn't know that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       Oh, there's like a whole conspiracy theory. But point is that what you got is a guy who was promoting hope and change, right? And that's what we were all really hoping was gonna happen. But not, it was really kind of like another Bush term in terms of like foreign policy, in terms of a lot of things. In terms of like the way America felt about America though, it was good. It was like, hey, racism has obviously like stopped being an issue to get you to be the President of the United States because a, a Black man just won. And it's not saying that racism doesn't exist, but we're doing better than we used to do. This was not possible when Martin Luther King Jr. Was making his I Have a Dream Speech, but it is possible now. So, we have progressed. And he's brilliant. So it's per- and he's, and he's, like, well measured and calm and peaceful, and he never calls reporters piggy. He never (laughs) he never makes mean tweets when his enemies die. You know, like, so as a representative of America-

   19. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann47:31

       I'm not even gonna, I'm not even... I mean, I, it's gotten to the point where the Rob Reiner tweet just went over- it just like...

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:35

       It killed it for a lot of people. Yeah.

   21. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann47:37

       Is that it? But like, no, I mean, I saw it and I was like, "Oh yeah, of course, he's mocking a dead man."

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:42

       Oh, well, that guy-

   23. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann47:43

       That's why he's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:43

       ... tried to jail him for, you know, year... And this is not forgiving him for that. This is not excusing him.

   25. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann47:48

       Rob Reiner tried to jail?

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:49

       Oh my God, there's a video of him working with intelligence, uh, agents. He was working with James Clapper and, um, who's the other guy? Clapper and... Why, h- how come I can't remember that?

   27. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann48:04

       I just, I, I still think it's a good policy that once a guy dies-

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:07

       But there's like a well-produced... Oh, 100%. I am 100%-

   29. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann48:09

       Just, it was with McCain as well.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:10

       Yes.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:00

   Because it's- …

   1. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:00

      Newsom bent, but I don't understand why he's the guy the Dems are pushing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Because it's-

   3. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:05

      He's from a state that everybody agrees is in a huge disrepair.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      He doesn't agree to that. He thinks it's killing it.

   5. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:11

      They can't build a train.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      No, no, no, it's great.

   7. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:13

      They've wasted billions of dollars-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      No, no, no.

   9. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:14

      ... trying to get a reasonably short distance covered with a train.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       Listen-

   11. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:18

       And he can't do it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       They're gonna get it worked out. He's gonna be president and then he's gonna fix it all. The problem is Trump. The reason why it's Trump, Trump is the real reason why California has failed, is Trump. Once he gets into office, Trump will be out and he'll fix the whole country and say, "Guys, you gotta trust me on the long plan."

   13. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:34

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       People will buy into it. The reason why is 'cause there's no one else. This is the reason.

   15. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:40

       There must be so many charismatic-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       They force so many people that are rational out.... so many people that aren't corrupt, they force them out, and then other people don't want their laundry dug up. They don't want fake stories-

   17. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:51

       Yeah. They don't do this.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       ... told about them. They don't want ex-girlfriends to get paid off to come up with crackpot theories of them being a satanic person or, you know, what- whatever.

   19. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:00:59

       This is why-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       Drug addict, abusive.

   21. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:01:01

       All right, this-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       You did this.

   23. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:01:02

       Only people who are s-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Left a dead bear in the park.

   25. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:01:05

       You should get, like, Bill Cosby as the candidate. Or people of Bill Cosby-level stature. This is my new idea.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       Okay.

   27. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:01:12

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       Let me hear it.

   29. JMJames Donald Forbes McCann1:01:14

       Just someone who is so ... You, there's nothing to blackmail them with. People already think this is one of the worst people imaginable.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       R. Kelly for president.

Episode duration: 2:56:50