Joe Rogan Experience #2434 - Kurt Metzger

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. SPSpeaker0:00

      (drumming music)

2. 0:02 – 2:15

   John C. Lilly, isolation tanks, and the “one trip back in time” joke

   1. SPSpeaker0:02

      Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Feel good.

   3. KMKurt Metzger0:13

      I was trying to get a John Lilly picture. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   5. KMKurt Metzger0:15

      It's John Lilly Awareness Day.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      D- is the Carhartt, uh-

   7. KMKurt Metzger0:20

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      ... specific time period appropriate? No?

   9. KMKurt Metzger0:22

      (clicks tongue) It's, uh, it's supposed to be, like, a boiler suit.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Ah.

   11. KMKurt Metzger0:26

       But, uh, my... it didn't arrive.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       What is a boiler suit?

   13. KMKurt Metzger0:29

       Like a coverall.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Oh, like something would wear in the boiler room?

   15. KMKurt Metzger0:33

       Yeah. But there's-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Is that, uh-

   17. KMKurt Metzger0:34

       The best kind to get, I would have done a mashup. Now, see, here he's got kind of a pleather jumpsuit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       (laughs)

   19. KMKurt Metzger0:39

       He's got a lot of great looks.

   20. SPSpeaker0:41

       That guy was out there.

   21. KMKurt Metzger0:42

       Now the two diamond studs... Oh, let me take off my John C Lilly glasses. (laughs)

   22. SPSpeaker0:49

       (laughs)

   23. KMKurt Metzger0:49

       Oh, yeah. He invented, uh, the isolation, uh, goon tank, right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

   25. KMKurt Metzger0:54

       You go in there and goon, it's like you're in space-

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah.

   27. KMKurt Metzger0:56

       ... dude.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       My friend actually went in his tank and did ketamine with him before he went in his tank.

   29. KMKurt Metzger1:01

       Who? Who?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Todd McCormick.
3. 2:15 – 6:44

   Paid influence campaigns: bounties, engagement-for-cash, and narrative control

   1. KMKurt Metzger2:15

      How do you like that Nicki Minaj, huh? Really a g-... Uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:17

      What about her?

   3. KMKurt Metzger2:18

      Did you watch... You, you... We've been covering, uh, TP USA all week.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      Okay. You're deep in the woods. I'm not. I stay out of that. If- it seems like-

   5. KMKurt Metzger2:26

      Why? It's such g-... It's so great.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:27

      'Cause it seems like the, the, the, the right wing of this country is in some sort of a weird gang war.

   7. KMKurt Metzger2:35

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:36

      (laughs)

   9. KMKurt Metzger2:36

      There never was a fucking united right wing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       No.

   11. KMKurt Metzger2:38

       It was a bunch of people who needed some shit done that didn't get done, and now they're upset about it. And so, the thought... So, the... 'Cause here's the thing, the important part-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Well, it's a bunch of people scrambling to be in control of the narrative too, right?

   13. KMKurt Metzger2:49

       The polymarket dudes have some network. They, there's also, like, the show I sold, called The Cutout. They do these cutout things where it's like pl-... Y- you pay a, uh, company to put up... Remember when, when, uh, Elon showed what countries all the, the tweets are coming from?

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       (clicks tongue) Right.

   15. KMKurt Metzger3:04

       Okay. Why the fuck are Indians and Sri Lankans tweeting about Israel-Palestine shit, right?

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Right.

   17. KMKurt Metzger3:10

       Well, it's because there's these bounties they put up, and you can get invited to, like, a circle. Remember when you would show me those things people would get of like, "Hey, say this shit, and we'll give you this money"?

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       Mm-hmm.

   19. KMKurt Metzger3:19

       Well, now there's a bounty system.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Mm.

   21. KMKurt Metzger3:21

       It's on Jimmy's channel. It's fucking amazing. So, all these... So, a bunch of people that I, I would watch them just, like, flip and say a thing like it's their job to say it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Mm-hmm.

   23. KMKurt Metzger3:29

       It was their job, but they're trying to hit a certain amount of engagement, and then you get, like, 50 grand. Uh, I, I can't remember the name of the guy that, that pointed out, but it's r- really good fucking work.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       Wow.

   25. KMKurt Metzger3:40

       Oh, shit. I should have looked it up.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       So, it's not just bots. It's-

   27. KMKurt Metzger3:43

       The bardo!

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       Bardo of Becoming, a Tibetan teaching. After death, consciousness passes through several bardos, culminating in the Bardo of Becoming, where karmic visions of one's next life arise. During this phase, there are increasingly frequent flashes of the environment, parents, and circumstances in which one will be conceived, and one is drawn towards these as a kind of refuge or new home.

   29. KMKurt Metzger4:07

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       That's interesting, but not as interesting as the influencers.
4. 6:44 – 13:39

   Bohemian Grove: Nixon tape, owl symbolism, and ritual-as-compromise theory

   1. KMKurt Metzger6:44

      ... I mean, the Bohemian Grove thing is hilarious.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:45

      Yeah.

   3. KMKurt Metzger6:46

      'Cause he... It's so funny 'cause he... You could tell he's one of 12 kids 'cause he feels left out of shit still, in a way, with things. And I, I... It's like, "Why didn't I get that thing?" I'm like, "Well, you got an opportunity, and then you brought that Nixon joke about Bohemian Grove."

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:58

      (laughs)

   5. KMKurt Metzger6:59

      You know the Nixon quote?

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:00

      Yeah.

   7. KMKurt Metzger7:00

      He goes, "You heard, you heard that quote, right?"

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:02

      Uh-huh.

   9. KMKurt Metzger7:02

      And they go, "No." They had not heard it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       They had not... Come on.

   11. KMKurt Metzger7:05

       And he said it, and then they didn't laugh.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:08

       (laughs) .

   13. KMKurt Metzger7:09

       They didn't... Nobody laughed.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:11

       Let's play the recording of Nixon saying it, 'cause it's even funnier. Hey, we're back.

   15. KMKurt Metzger7:15

       Hey.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       We've got an issue.

   17. SPSpeaker7:16

       We have not.

   18. KMKurt Metzger7:16

       What happened?

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       Two, two podcasts in a row, the podcast-

   20. SPSpeaker7:20

       The audio just cuts out some, for some reason.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Yeah, we got a, we got a software glitch.

   22. SPSpeaker7:23

       This software just keeps dying.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Um, what were we just talking about?

   24. SPSpeaker7:25

       It's an audio, but it's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Oh, the Nixon audio.

   26. KMKurt Metzger7:26

       Oh, yeah, the sweet audio.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       But in his own voice, "The faggiest thing-"

   28. KMKurt Metzger7:30

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       ... "I've ever seen."

   30. KMKurt Metzger7:31

       "From time to time I've been there."
5. 13:39 – 21:07

   From dolphin research to dolphin “kamikazes”: the wild John Lilly ecosystem

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:39

      My favorite part about the Lily story is the experiments that the lady was doing with the dolphins when she was living in the house with them, and she had to jerk them off, otherwise they wouldn't pay attention. And people found out about it, and they shut the science down. (laughs)

   2. KMKurt Metzger13:49

      It made them more comp- It made the dolphin more comp- Peter, he had a name show. It's Peter the Dolphin.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:54

      Mm-hmm.

   4. KMKurt Metzger13:54

      And, uh, he took his own life after-

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:57

      He took his own life?

   6. KMKurt Metzger13:58

      Peter the Dolphin killed himself, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:59

      How did he do that?

   8. KMKurt Metzger14:02

      I had... It's really dumb and obvious, but I didn't guess what it was.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:05

      Did he just inhale all the water?

   10. KMKurt Metzger14:06

       Yeah, he just drowned himself. I, I thought he like jumped out of the water into like a big fan or something.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       Hmm, right.

   12. KMKurt Metzger14:12

       I couldn't figure out how they do it, but yeah, he just drowned.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       Tied C4 to himself and just flipped over into the crowd. (laughs)

   14. KMKurt Metzger14:18

       Bruce is telling me about all the f- how they would train dolphin jihadis to like blow up... (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:23

       Oh, yeah. Oh, we had dolphin jihadis.

   16. KMKurt Metzger14:24

       We trained dolphin jihadis.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       Yeah. We had dolphin kamikazes. We took dolphins... Like, "We love you. Hey, I'm gonna just give you a little collar. Go find the Russians."

   18. KMKurt Metzger14:34

       Well, let me tell you something. Let me tell you, if you want to do more like... 'Cause I, I texted you some real dolphin info.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:40

       You did?

   20. KMKurt Metzger14:41

       I have, and I have permission to, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:41

       Well, the thing is, when you text me, you text me so much, I can't read it all. It's not possible.

   22. KMKurt Metzger14:46

       Well, that's good, because this is going to be-

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:48

       There's creases.

   24. KMKurt Metzger14:48

       ... a real treat for you to hear.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       I like how you're still going with the old school, uh, white background on your texts.

   26. KMKurt Metzger14:53

       Um, why? Do you think I should change it?

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       Nope. Nope.

   28. KMKurt Metzger14:56

       All right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:57

       You be you. Boo.

   30. KMKurt Metzger14:58

       Is it a bad background? (laughs) Okay, so, you know, they always say dolphins are a little amorous is the term they use in dolphin handling.
6. 21:07 – 24:16

   Real-world dolphin handling story: “protocol” for aggressive sexual behavior

   1. KMKurt Metzger21:07

      This is more important things than a measly genocide in the... Okay. Okay, so I asked if they were smearing dolphins, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:14

      Right.

   3. KMKurt Metzger21:14

      So she said, "What they say about dolphin rape, it's true." All caps. "They are very sexual animals and even masturbate. Young males can get very horny and it's like they go into a trance. For some reason, they like knees. So I was doing a program with a very nice family and I saw Flippy," name changed, "uh, drop to the lady's knees and start buzzing on them." That's echolocation. So they groom your knees with their echolocation abilities.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:41

      Whoa.

   5. KMKurt Metzger21:42

      "So I'm like, 'Fucking great.'" That's all caps. "So I followed protocol and put myself in between the dolphin and the guests and asked them to get out of the water." So (laughs) so you understand there's a protocol in place for when Flippy starts echolocating your knees? Okay.

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:56

      Oh my God.

   7. KMKurt Metzger21:58

      "Flippy then starts circling me fast with his dick out, hooking my leg and dragging me into deep water. As he's doing it, it literally looks like the scene in Jaws where the shark's hitting the girl and she's, like, whipping around, uh, and she's jerking around and you can't see what's happening under the water. Ob- Obviously I'm fucking terrified and I'm trying to play it off to the guests like everything is fine, so I'm laughing and saying, 'You know how dogs get a lo- a little rough when they play?'" (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:26

      That's what she's saying to the guests?

   9. KMKurt Metzger22:28

      She's whipping like Jaws, like, whoa, it's like a dog.

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       Oh my God.

   11. KMKurt Metzger22:32

       Okay, that's protocol, by the way, so I guess good work. Um, "Then my shoes come off and so I'm floating and the guests try to get back in the water to get my shoes for me and I yell, 'No!'" (laughs) LMAO.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:43

       Oh my God.

   13. KMKurt Metzger22:44

       "I manage to get away and walk out, only mental scars. Thank God." All caps, you know. "I was wearing a wets- Thank God I was wearing a wetsuit or I would have felt that slimy dick hooking my legs." It's like a Japanese anime hanging out with dolphins.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:56

       But you know what? Look, it's, it's terrible, but they're prisoners and they didn't do anything wrong. That's what's weird.

   15. KMKurt Metzger23:03

       Yeah. Well, uh, no court will convict them. That's what I, John C Lilly-

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:07

       They're just dolphins. Why are they in prison?

   17. KMKurt Metzger23:10

       They're a lot like, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:10

       They just got unlucky. They're basically dolphin slaves.

   19. KMKurt Metzger23:13

       Yeah, they're kind of like, uh, the dogs of the sea, I think. I don't think they're, like, uh, human intelligence. Sounds like they're like, uh-

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:19

       They have a cerebral cortex that's 40% larger than a human being's. They have language and dialects-

   21. KMKurt Metzger23:23

       But how wrinkly is it?

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:24

       We don't even understand what their language is, but they can understand ours.

   23. KMKurt Metzger23:28

       Well-

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:28

       Like, they can learn things and-

   25. KMKurt Metzger23:29

       Look, I'm trying to defend dolphins from the rape charges here. If you wanna-

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:32

       I see what you're saying.

   27. KMKurt Metzger23:33

       ... say it's their fault. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:33

       I think... Well, do you know what else they do that's really awful?

   29. KMKurt Metzger23:36

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:37

       They kill the babies.
7. 24:16 – 27:23

   Sharks, ocean fear, and old-school comedy detour (Land Shark + SNL sketches)

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:16

      A guy... Who was it that had that theory about sharks? And I think he's right.

   2. KMKurt Metzger24:20

      What?

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:20

      He was like, sharks are not just targeting people because they're hungry. They're targeting people 'cause they're pissed off that people in their water and they're getting in the way of their fishing.

   4. KMKurt Metzger24:30

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:30

      They're getting in the way of their eating seals.... they're pissed off. They, you, they're not supposed to be there, so they just bite you. Like, "Get the fuck out of here." That's part of it.

   6. KMKurt Metzger24:37

      A little nibble from a shark is probably a real strong message. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:40

      They just lost a lady in Santa Cruz, triathlete. She was, uh, with a whole group of people that were swimming, and someone saw her get taken. Someone saw this shark breach the water with a human body in their mouth, and then they, she was gone. And then they just found her remains, uh, yesterday. But, uh, Santa Cruz, like that whole coastline is r- filled with great whites. There's great whites all over the place out there.

   8. KMKurt Metzger25:08

      Um-

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:08

      I think they breed in San, outside of San Francisco.

   10. KMKurt Metzger25:12

       Uh, I mean, I never surf, so I'd never-

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:15

       Fuck that.

   12. KMKurt Metzger25:16

       Yeah, like, uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:17

       Fuck swimming in the ocean and rolling the dice-

   14. KMKurt Metzger25:20

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:20

       ... that a monster i- s- doesn't decide to just snap you in half.

   16. KMKurt Metzger25:24

       I just, the worst way to get grabbed, uh, just like, uh, in a-

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:27

       Bro.

   18. KMKurt Metzger25:27

       ... not in your environment.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:28

       It must be so terr- You're so weak and slow there in the ocean. You're so helpless.

   20. KMKurt Metzger25:32

       But you know what? Let's see a shark take me up here. I bet I could take him.

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       That's what I'm saying.

   22. KMKurt Metzger25:36

       Not so tough.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:37

       Zero shark attacks on the shore. Remember that, uh, Saturday Night Live sketch, Land Shark? That was hilarious.

   24. KMKurt Metzger25:42

       (laughs) Oh, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:43

       It was so stupid.

   26. KMKurt Metzger25:44

       That is hilarious, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:44

       The shark would just knock on your door. (laughs)

   28. KMKurt Metzger25:47

       (laughs) Hi, this is

   29. SPSpeaker25:48

       Land Shark.

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       Land Shark. It was so silly. Saturday Night Live used to have some great sketches, man. They used to be so silly. I haven't watched it in forever.
8. 27:23 – 32:48

   Nicki Minaj alter egos, branding, and AI hallucinations as modern misinformation

   1. KMKurt Metzger27:23

      Um, yeah, well, it's, uh, it is the weirdest thing. But I, I would say, don't focus too much on one person having an alter ego. The, o- uh, Nicki Minaj has that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:34

      Yeah, but the Chris Gaines thing was nuts.

   3. KMKurt Metzger27:37

      Did.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:37

      In the middle of being the biggest superstar in country music, he decides he's gonna be emo and wear a wig.

   5. KMKurt Metzger27:42

      Yeah, I remember.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:43

      And change his name, and let everybody know he's doing it.

   7. KMKurt Metzger27:46

      Mm-hmm. It's just, uh-

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:46

      At least Stephen King, when he wrote his, like, Richard-

   9. KMKurt Metzger27:49

      The Bachman books?

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:49

       Bachmans, yeah, at least he just, just said, "Listen, I'm writing too many books for people to buy. I'm gonna write them under a different name."

   11. KMKurt Metzger27:56

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:57

       That's how crazy he was. It, that's what cocaine'll do to you. (laughs)

   13. KMKurt Metzger28:01

       Um, y- yeah. Uh, yes, it will. It-

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:03

       Those are the good days.

   15. KMKurt Metzger28:04

       Um, so I sent this to whatever. I was looking up... So have you ever heard when, um-

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:10

       (laughs) What?

   17. KMKurt Metzger28:11

       ... Nicki Minaj would talk about there's a-

   18. SPSpeaker28:12

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:12

       You're just fucking fixated on Nicki Minaj.

   20. KMKurt Metzger28:15

       No, the, because of the alter ego thing.

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:17

       Oh, she's got an alter ego?

   22. KMKurt Metzger28:18

       "Let me raise my skeleton." Um, yeah, his na- name, Roman. "Roman is a crazy boy who lives inside me, who says the things she doesn't want to say. He threatens to peep people, and he's violent. I ask him to leave, but he can't."

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:30

       Whoa.

   24. KMKurt Metzger28:31

       Um, she also notes, "He was born just a few months ago and born out of rage." This is, like, in 2010. His last name is Zolanski. Roman-

   25. JRJoe Rogan28:38

       Roman Zolanski?

   26. KMKurt Metzger28:40

       Um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:41

       "An angry, outspoken-"

   28. KMKurt Metzger28:42

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan28:42

       "... often homosexual British character who delivers raw, aggressive verses, featured heavily in Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded."

   30. KMKurt Metzger28:50

       Right. And then the Harajuku Barbie, which is the doll thing.
9. 32:48 – 44:39

   Faith parody to group hypnosis: ‘Penelope Christ,’ healing theatrics, and comedy as trance

   1. KMKurt Metzger32:48

      The point is, this is why Jesus won't be an AI, because Jesus isn't a fucking liar that you gotta tell to go back and look stuff up.

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:54

      Eventually he'll get it right.

   3. KMKurt Metzger32:56

      It ju-... Also, Jesus wouldn't be made by a tech freak with a weird dick.

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:59

      I think the AI's gonna make Jesus. I don't think it's Jesus now.

   5. KMKurt Metzger33:03

      I think it's going to make... Okay, if an AI makes Jesus, by the way, and this is just in lore.

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:07

      Mm-hmm.

   7. KMKurt Metzger33:08

      Again, I'm not Chris- I'm, I'm a-

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:09

      Yeah, in lore.

   9. KMKurt Metzger33:10

      You know my religion, Christ Penelope, which I disclosed to you.

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:13

       I thought you were a Scientologist.

   11. KMKurt Metzger33:15

       No, I'm a follower of Christ Penelope, uh, the guy who farts in your nostrils to get the thing out.

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:21

       (laughs)

   13. KMKurt Metzger33:22

       Remember I told you?

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:22

       Yeah, you totally did. (laughs)

   15. KMKurt Metzger33:22

       I notified you. I think it should be Penelope Christ, but whatever.

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:26

       (laughs)

   17. KMKurt Metzger33:27

       Anyway, uh, I'm sorry. I was thinking about Christ Penelope. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:31

       You forgot what we were talking about?

   19. KMKurt Metzger33:32

       Yeah. I might need a healing from Penelope Christ.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:34

       Om... What were we talking about?

   21. KMKurt Metzger33:36

       Oh, the P-... Yeah, so that would be... automatically, that would be an anti-Christ.

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:40

       This is the guy-

   23. KMKurt Metzger33:40

       Oh.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:41

       ... that farts-

   25. KMKurt Metzger33:41

       Now, here's the-

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:42

       ... farts in your face. He literally sits on your nose-

   27. KMKurt Metzger33:44

       Now here's... Number one-

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:44

       ... and farts.

   29. KMKurt Metzger33:45

       ... the true... it has to go in the nostrils, and he's very specific about that.

   30. SPSpeaker33:49

       Yeah.
10. 44:39 – 50:19

    Propaganda, education, and culture steering: brands, modern art, and ‘gatekeepers’

    1. KMKurt Metzger44:39

       Well, we, we only have school. I always like to bring it up, public school, kindergarten because 70% of guys didn't wanna pull the trigger in battle and that had to be fixed with the Prussian system, which is why it's called kindergarten, the Aus- you know, Prussian word.

    2. JRJoe Rogan44:51

       Mm-hmm.

    3. KMKurt Metzger44:52

       To get you away from mommy at age five instead of age six.

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:55

       And they could teach you about war. (gasps)

    5. KMKurt Metzger44:57

       Well, they could just, the state can get a foothold.

    6. JRJoe Rogan44:59

       They could teach you about everything. Yeah. They can design the way-

    7. KMKurt Metzger45:01

       It's not just that. Isn't the industry?

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:03

       Right. Well, that's o- I mean, indoctrination of children is a real thing. That's why when people scoff at it being used for, like, trans indoctrination, like, "Why would anybody do that?" Like, stop. The, p- people do that with-

    9. KMKurt Metzger45:15

       To neuter your kids.

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:15

        They, they'd do that to try to get you on an Android phone. Okay? People try to indoctrinate you with everything. Everything-

    11. KMKurt Metzger45:21

        Right.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:21

        ... that's ever existed, people try to get you to do.

    13. KMKurt Metzger45:23

        Well, that's w- why sigils and brands are so important, you know?

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:27

        Yes. Absolutely. I mean-

    15. KMKurt Metzger45:28

        There you go.

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:28

        ... they try to get you to wear what they're wearing. They try to get you to do what they're doing.

    17. KMKurt Metzger45:32

        Well, you also, it helps if you have a few gatekeepers, like in ar- I can't remember the guy's name, but there's, like, one guy who... And the reason he's, like, the guy is because h- the investments he picks pay off, I guess, in the art world.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:43

        Oh.

    19. KMKurt Metzger45:43

        He's some famous, like, who has, like, been around forever and I'm sure he's some kinda hack and whatever, but why are these people installed there? We already know that Rothko and all the modern art, ma- the, American abstract modern art was launched by the CIA through a cutout.

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:57

        Oh, yeah. That's right.

    21. KMKurt Metzger45:58

        That's public record. So, you think they stopped at that? You don't think they got involved with all the arts?

    22. JRJoe Rogan46:03

        Well, they definitely got involved in that because the Soviet art was so valuable. Soviet art was more skillful and they tried to prop up American... Like, Jackson Pollock, that's one of them-

    23. KMKurt Metzger46:14

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan46:14

        ... that they connect to being a... Which t- when you look at the Jackson Pollock artwork that's worth fucking millions of dollars, it- y- I- no disrespect to anybody who's a fan, but shut the fuck up. Like, just shut up. Just shut the fuck up. It's splatter. And the idea that, oh, this one guy-

    25. KMKurt Metzger46:31

        Well, you're letting Steve Martin have it, dude.

    26. JRJoe Rogan46:32

        ... you had splatter better than anybody splattered. I mean, there's nothing wrong with splattering paint. A lot of people do it. It looks cool.

    27. KMKurt Metzger46:37

        If it were in fractals, no one could ever recreate...

    28. JRJoe Rogan46:39

        Yeah.

    29. KMKurt Metzger46:40

        I mean, it-

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:40

        Shut the fuck up.
11. 50:19 – 1:07:09

    Geoengineering and weather modification: cloud seeding, ‘chemtrails,’ and the SATAN experiment

    1. KMKurt Metzger50:19

       Um, my buddy, uh, Eric Hecker, the guy, uh, that, he was in Antarctica, was a, the guy who worked at the Raytheon-

    2. JRJoe Rogan50:24

       Oh, you know that guy?

    3. KMKurt Metzger50:25

       Yeah, yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan50:25

       Okay. I saw that guy on Sean Ryan Show.

    5. KMKurt Metzger50:28

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:29

       And I was like, "Wait, what is going on?"

    7. KMKurt Metzger50:30

       That's where I first saw him, yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan50:31

       He's... It's a neutrino detector that's also a direct energy weapon that can make-

    9. KMKurt Metzger50:35

       Okay, so Ice Cube-

    10. JRJoe Rogan50:36

        ... earthquakes.

    11. KMKurt Metzger50:37

        I was already aware of Ice Cube neutrino detector 'cause I just like looking up science shit, and, uh-

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:41

        Right.

    13. KMKurt Metzger50:41

        ... you know, neutrinos are wacky. So when I first heard of it, they had built this detector in Antarctica. They didn't mention it's Raytheon, but that's who built it.

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:48

        Neu- neutrinos are passing through us all the time, passing through the Earth.

    15. KMKurt Metzger50:50

        Almost massless particles, and-

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:52

        Yeah.

    17. KMKurt Metzger50:52

        ... the thing is, they all come from space, but for some reason, anomalously, neutrinos seem to be coming out of the Earth at that part in Antarctica. It was the big mainstream science mystery of, that the neutrino detector's gonna find. But, uh, anyway, he started saying you could use neutrinos for all kinds of shit, like, uh, FTL communications if you had to, or you could-

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:11

        What is FTL?

    19. KMKurt Metzger51:11

        Faster-than-light communications through entanglement. You can do that with neutrinos.

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:16

        You could send information through neutrinos?

    21. KMKurt Metzger51:19

        Apparently, uh, now, look, I'm a dolphin expert, not a neutrino expert.

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:23

        (laughs)

    23. KMKurt Metzger51:23

        So I wanna make that clear. I get a couple claws in me, I talk dolphins. But, uh-

    24. JRJoe Rogan51:28

        A couple of claws.

    25. KMKurt Metzger51:29

        ... he had no, he had no seeing-alien stories or something.

    26. JRJoe Rogan51:32

        No.

    27. KMKurt Metzger51:33

        Um, also, uh, he has, like... He, he could explain it scientifically to you. But I, I already think it's a weapon 'cause I already know what HARP is. All the things they told you are not that is a fucking lie. I mean, it's just a lie. There's a treaty to not use weather weapons from '75. Why? Because they had those. You don't make a treaty unless you have those weapons.

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:51

        Mm-hmm.

    29. KMKurt Metzger51:51

        There was no nuclear treaty before nukes, right?

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:53

        Right. Yeah, good point.
12. 1:07:09 – 1:31:00

    Venezuela strikes, drug-smuggling claims, and the ‘oil’ throughline

    1. KMKurt Metzger1:07:09

       Venezuela. That why everybody's going to war-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:07:11

       Okay. So, here's the thing. One, one of the boats, uh-

    3. KMKurt Metzger1:07:14

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:07:14

       ... the remains of the boat just showed up.

    5. KMKurt Metzger1:07:16

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:07:16

       They just found it and it has marijuana in it.

    7. KMKurt Metzger1:07:19

       Oh, well that, you know what? I stand corrected then. Sorry, Joe.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:07:21

       But no, I mean, say, I'm saying t- to prove your point.

    9. KMKurt Metzger1:07:24

       They almost had marijuana in China (laughs) .

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:07:25

        No, they're say, it had, I'm, I think that's true. See if that's-

    11. KMKurt Metzger1:07:28

        Yo-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:07:28

        ... that was something that was in the news today.

    13. KMKurt Metzger1:07:30

        They're calling it a war crime, you know, we didn't, nobody declared war, so it's just a crime to do that. And if you had evidence, remember the ba-, uh ...

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:07:36

        What I'm getting to-

    15. KMKurt Metzger1:07:37

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:07:37

        ... is it would be nice-

    17. KMKurt Metzger1:07:38

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:07:39

        ... if they had one that showed that it's even cocaine. 'Cause if they have one and the only one they have is-

    19. KMKurt Metzger1:07:44

        I thought it was fent-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:07:44

        ... marijuana. Grim evidence of Trump's airstrike washes ashore on a Colombian peninsula, uh, first came the scorched boat, then the mangled bodies, then the packets with traces of marijuana. Now the fishermen fear the ocean that feeds them.

    21. KMKurt Metzger1:07:57

        Yeah, no shit. So that's another bullshit.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:08:00

        Okay, but this is, um, so this was just, they were just bringing in marijuana. So they were trying to smuggle in marijuana.

    23. KMKurt Metzger1:08:08

        To Colombia?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:08:10

        No, wherever they were going. I don't know-

    25. KMKurt Metzger1:08:12

        Ne-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:08:12

        ... where they were going.

    27. KMKurt Metzger1:08:12

        Venezuela is not where we're getting our drugs from, just so everybody knows that.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:08:15

        But was this in Colombia or was this in Venezuela?

    29. KMKurt Metzger1:08:17

        Yeah, they found it in Colombia. It washed up in Colombia.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:08:20

        Right, but the boat was in Venezuela. Where was the boat headed to? The Gulf of Venezuela-
13. 1:31:00 – 1:35:30

    Epstein networks, MKUltra/Monarch, and why ‘disclosure’ never happens

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:31:00

       Like what?

    2. KMKurt Metzger1:31:01

       Okay, so-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:31:02

       Okay.

    4. KMKurt Metzger1:31:02

       ... Epstein, Diddy, fucking the Playboy Mansion, um, the Marc Dutroux case in Belgium, where they all were out in the street over that, which I didn't hear about at the time obviously, why would we ev-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:31:13

       Mm-hmm.

    6. KMKurt Metzger1:31:13

       The, uh, that island in, uh, uh, Wisconsin where they were taking boys, the Franklin scandal. You, you could trace a whole thing where there's clearly a network. And by the way, the smallest part of the network is the child trafficking, even though that's obscene. Epstein, Nick Bryant, you gotta get him on 'cause he's the first guy to get Epstein's black book, okay? And we had him on Jimmy's show. Yo, probably all the Five Eyes countries' intel money goes through f- Epstein was in charge of that. The finance thing is so much bigger, okay? You, you gotta think like a piece of shit dinoid. So, these are all resources, right? Gold, drugs, kids-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:31:48

       Mm-hmm.

    8. KMKurt Metzger1:31:49

       ... human slaves. And so that's... They will never do disclosure. Let me put it this way. With aliens, these are not separate topics, they're all part of one thing, and they're never ever gonna disclose shit, because if they ever do, those f- the rizzler, those fat fucks from that, that family that goes to, what do they, what Walmart eating sausage rolls? They-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:32:06

       What? (laughs)

    10. SPSpeaker1:32:08

        Costco. (laughs)

    11. KMKurt Metzger1:32:08

        The, the Costco family. If the Costco... Listen, if that Costco family finds out what these motherfuckers have been up to for the last... since World War II ended, they will drop their sausage rolls and rip them apart limb from limb like a zombie movie 'cause it's that bad. So, that's why, "Oh, I, I think this year they're gonna have a hearing in a skiff (laughs) and we're gonna find out what the, uh..."

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:32:32

        (laughs)

    13. KMKurt Metzger1:32:32

        Wow, that really paid off, huh? Let's go talk to some fucking, uh, you know, French Illuminati motherfucker. "Oh, the ultra-dimensionals?" Prrt. They, they just string you along with bullshit like a JJ Abrams movie, or fi- or show. Lost, they do Lost. Mystery box.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:32:49

        Do you- so what do you think the whole UFO thing is then? 'Cause it's for sure some of it is a psyop, right?

    15. KMKurt Metzger1:32:54

        I think the names... Clearly because the names change so often from UFO to UAP.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:32:58

        Well, not that often. It's only a couple of times they've done it.

    17. KMKurt Metzger1:33:00

        Every time... So, UFOs don't exist, right? Even though it just means something unidentified but it doesn't exist, it's swamp gas. Then they go, "No, they do exist but we don't know what they are."

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:33:10

        UAP.

    19. KMKurt Metzger1:33:10

        And then they change, the brand change, like Diddy.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:33:13

        Right.

    21. KMKurt Metzger1:33:14

        They, those people get smooshed at his fucking show and now his name is Puffy. You understand?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:33:18

        Got it.

    23. KMKurt Metzger1:33:19

        Like a shitty airline with a, like a-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:33:21

        Frontier or something.

    25. KMKurt Metzger1:33:22

        Yeah, Frontier, some bigger airline-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:33:24

        Spirit.

    27. KMKurt Metzger1:33:24

        ... buys a shitty airline-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:33:25

        Right.

    29. KMKurt Metzger1:33:25

        ... so their substandard planes, they can still use 'em. Then when something bad happens, they just cut that, cut that off and they, they got the maximum value.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:33:33

        Hm.
14. 1:35:30 – 1:59:11

    Plasma physics to UAP theory: orbs, interdimensional projections, and fusion breakthroughs

    1. KMKurt Metzger1:35:30

       Uh, probably a bunch of different stuff. There's probably drones, there's probably just, uh, orbs that... Plasma physics, by the way, uh, uh, uh, I would, uh, tell everybody read Joseph P. Farrell because that's the... The guy's got some of the best work on that. Plasma, the fourth state of matter that in school they didn't teach us about for some reason. There's gas, liquid, solid, right? The three states of ma- no there's four, and the fourth one is plasma, which I would describe imperfectly as like, uh, if you heat up gas till it's like this steam of steam or something. Plasma, the fourth state of matter. Uh, uh, that's what everything has to do with and that got-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:36:07

       Isn't it like 90 something percent of the universe?

    3. KMKurt Metzger1:36:10

       Yeah. And by the way there's cold plasma and hot plasma. You could make an AI-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:36:13

       Look up, look up wha- uh, what percentage of the use- universe consists of plasma.

    5. KMKurt Metzger1:36:18

       So, why would I not learn that in school when I learned the other things? Because they didn't want you looking into it. They classified an area of physics for 80 years, for sure. That's what the Nazis were doing with their stupid bell was plasma shit. And plasma, plasma, that's the thing, plasma. Lex Fridman's dad is a plasma physicist. I was trying to ask him about it when I got interrupted by the QAnon genre.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:36:36

       Dun, dun, dun.Okay. "Plasma makes up about 99% or more of the visible ordinary matter in the universe." Whoa.

    7. KMKurt Metzger1:36:46

       Mm-hmm. So it's-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:36:48

       So nearly all the stuff that is not dark matter or dark energy is in a plasma state?

    9. KMKurt Metzger1:36:54

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:36:54

        Wow.

    11. KMKurt Metzger1:36:56

        So, you could make a p- I bet you could make a really cool AI with plasma if you knew how to manipulate it right.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:37:01

        That is a crazy statement.

    13. KMKurt Metzger1:37:04

        I'll bet some fucking freak in a underground base knows how to upload their consciousness into some fucking shitty plasma thing.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:37:12

        You think so?

    15. KMKurt Metzger1:37:13

        Yeah. That's what Lucifer, I think, is, a plasma ball of inverted souls. Which they're gonna tell you is Jesus, and it's not, by the way. Anybody telling you that a man-made AI Jesus is a Jesus, I mean, that's a Luciferian. That's how you spot 'em. Just so you know.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:37:26

        Well, then I'm a Luciferian, because I've been telling people that.

    17. KMKurt Metzger1:37:29

        Well, you hang out with tech people, and they probably beam it in your head.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:37:32

        No. It was just a silly idea that I had. The silly idea is that AI is going to make better versions of AI, and if it just keeps doing that, ultimately it's gonna be like a god.

    19. KMKurt Metzger1:37:42

        That means it's already happened and it probably is there, and that's why you're-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:37:45

        I don't think, I don't think it's happened because I don't think they have the power source for it yet. But I think once they figure that out, they will.

    21. KMKurt Metzger1:37:49

        Well, I don't think they can make an AI come to life, but here's one thing that you-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:37:53

        Why not?

    23. KMKurt Metzger1:37:54

        W- Well, I don't think they have yet. Uh, they're faking it with Indians in a room half the time. (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:37:59

        (laughs)

    25. KMKurt Metzger1:37:59

        Okay, I don't know if you know the sc- level of scam here. It's glorified bots. But what you could do-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:38:04

        (laughs)

    27. KMKurt Metzger1:38:04

        Here's something you could do. You could take octopus, fuck... You know how an octopus' brain is spread out?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:38:09

        Mm-hmm.

    29. KMKurt Metzger1:38:10

        There's a lot of ex- You know, like, that butterfly that it's, they grow brain tissue on a chip and it thinks it's a butterfly. You've seen that?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:38:16

        Yes.
15. 1:59:11 – 2:15:01

    Political violence and ‘lone nut’ skepticism: Minnesota letter, Charlie Kirk, and stand-down claims

    1. KMKurt Metzger1:59:11

       Yes.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:59:11

       When she gave the spee- Uh, literally, her voice was cracking, "I know some are going to be harmed by this."

    3. KMKurt Metzger1:59:17

       Uh, it reminded me of Charlie Kirk's final text messages about how they think they're g-... Yo, the things that... We covered this on Jimmy's show. For three weeks before he died, they were all piling on him that he's an antisemite 'cause he had Dave Smith on and fucking...

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:59:31

       Oh.

    5. SPSpeaker1:59:32

       Yeah, this is, uh...

    6. KMKurt Metzger1:59:32

       Laura Loomer, that piece of shit, she goes, "Why don't you admit you're an antisemite?" I don't think Charlie Kirk was an antisemite. He called it ethnic cleansing on, uh, Patrick Bet-Veaud's show.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:59:41

       Called what e- ethnic cleansing?

    8. KMKurt Metzger1:59:43

       Gaza.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:59:43

       Oh, right.

    10. KMKurt Metzger1:59:44

        Where he... That's a big no-no. And then his funders-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:59:46

        Right.

    12. KMKurt Metzger1:59:47

        ... were like, "Hey, what if you die, who's gonna take over?" That's the first thing they say to you when you come in?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:59:51

        He also said, uh, "Was there a stand down? Was there a stand down order?" He talked about that on, on Patrick Bet-David. He's like: I know-

    14. KMKurt Metzger1:59:58

        And guess what? If you watch Israeli news, there was. It's called the Hannibal directive. (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:00:02

        Go back to that, Jamie. What were you pulling up? What were you showing us?

    16. SPSpeaker2:00:04

        Uh, so this is... It's typed out here, obviously. But it says this is the handwritten original.

    17. KMKurt Metzger2:00:09

        Oh, Lance Bolt-

    18. JRJoe Rogan2:00:10

        (coughs)

    19. KMKurt Metzger2:00:10

        This maniac.

    20. JRJoe Rogan2:00:12

        He wrote it.

    21. KMKurt Metzger2:00:12

        Yeah.

    22. SPSpeaker2:00:13

        He said he was trained. He said Tim Waltz wanted this done.

    23. KMKurt Metzger2:00:16

        That's right. Well, th- th- th- yo.

    24. JRJoe Rogan2:00:18

        He says, "Dear Kash Patel, my name is Dr. Vance Luther Boltler."

    25. KMKurt Metzger2:00:22

        Bolter.

    26. JRJoe Rogan2:00:22

        "Bolter, Bolter, Ed."

    27. KMKurt Metzger2:00:23

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan2:00:24

        What is that? Ed, D? What is that?

    29. SPSpeaker2:00:26

        Uh, I think an education degree.

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:00:27

        Okay.

Episode duration: 2:34:29