EVERY SPOKEN WORD
135 min read · 27,169 words- 0:00 – 15:00
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- SPSpeaker
[upbeat music] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day! [upbeat music]
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah, he's the dude who said, "Fuck you," all day, and he choked you to sleep.
- SPSpeaker
Oh. [laughing] I would pay for to see that.
- JRJoe Rogan
How did you meet judo Gene LeBell?
- SPSpeaker
I met him first on Men in Black II.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, he was-
- SPSpeaker
He was a stuntman.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- SPSpeaker
A stunt- And, uh, people would... The stunt people would line up outside his trailer, so they, uh... So he would choke them out.
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
And he would give you that little-- he would give you a patch afterwards. "You've been choked out by judo Gene LeBell."
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, God. [groans] He had all those cartoonish patches.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He'd, like, give you a bunch of those. He's a character, man.
- SPSpeaker
He, uh... One guy, I saw one, uh, the stuntman, right before Gene choked him out, he goes, "One second," this Irish dude. And he, and he turned around, and he slapped Gene in the face. And Gene's like... "Okay."
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
And then, w- after Gene choked him, they were standing up, Gene just dropped him- [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh!
- SPSpeaker
... straight to the ground for slapping him. [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh. You can get hurt like that.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, well, that's what you get for slapping Gene LeBell.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, don't slap him. Give him a kiss. Kiss him on the cheek before he chokes you out.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, God.
- JRJoe Rogan
Don't slap him. [laughing] Do you remember, he had one of the very first ever mixed martial arts fights.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, yeah, it was the... He fought-
- JRJoe Rogan
Milo Savage.
- SPSpeaker
Yes!
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
And didn't Milo Savage grease himself up-
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh
- 15:00 – 30:00
[laughing]…
- SPSpeaker
other, so if we wanna smoke one another, so-
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
... But the guys don't have any idea what's happening. [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
So by the second week, you can just literally go up and put your finger on someone's shoulder, and they're like, "Jesus!" [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
They're so, so nervous, and I, and I, I don't blame them.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, like, when you film one of those movies, like, how long is a shoot? Like, how, how many m- months do you film for?
- SPSpeaker
Well, that depends. On Jackass Number Two... Usually, about, we go two weeks on, two weeks off over four, five months, but I think Jackass Number Two, it was eight or nine months.
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
And finally, they had to have an intervention with me to stop shooting.
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
They, "Hey, like, come down to the office tomorrow. We're gonna finalize the edit or, or do something in the edit." I'm like, "All right," and I get there, and it's Spike, Jeff, a few of the cast, and, uh, and they're like, "We're, we're not here to talk about the edit." I'm like, "Okay." "Like, we have to stop shooting. We're, like, so far over." And then it was also about I was going to do the ski jump. You know, the Olympic ski jump, and it was, uh... They're like: "You... We have too much footage. You can't. Let's just not... You've already put yourself on the line so much, you can't." And, and then it became like, well, I'm not... I didn't... I, I decided not to because I felt like this big intervention, they had... It was, like, doomed. The stunt was doomed in my mind then, that something negative was gonna happen. So I ended up not doing the, the ski jump, but I did negotiate two more weeks of shooting out of them.
- JRJoe Rogan
[chuckles] How far were you supposed to jump?
- SPSpeaker
It's... Until I went kaboom. I don't know. It was going to be a, the Olympic ski jump.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, when they fly?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And do you know how to ski?
- SPSpeaker
Not at all.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh! [laughing]
- SPSpeaker
[laughing] Yeah, I don't wanna be good at the stunt.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-
- SPSpeaker
Nobody wants to see that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I mean, you'd have to train for years to be good at it, but I mean, I was just-
- SPSpeaker
I, I had about 20 minutes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- SPSpeaker
So that didn't happen, but, um, uh, I don't even know how we got on this. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
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- SPSpeaker
Ooh, wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
But, uh, so are you done with all that stuff, or would you consider doing it again?
- 30:00 – 45:00
Negativity, like in what way?…
- SPSpeaker
anyone move behind the fence when it's on, because bulls can easily jump over the fence. They, a lot of them just don't know they can. So if you frighten them or provoke them, they're just gonna jump over the fence, and then they have, like, 35 people they can smoke. [exhales] Yeah, it's, it's, it's... When we work with bulls, the, the set is different. The set is different. [laughing] ... the, the guy, Gary Leffew, who g- supplies our bulls, he was world champion in 1970, and when we first started working with him, and it stuck with us the whole time, he's like, "When we have bulls on the set, I don't want anyone, any kind of negativity going around the set. It's already hard enough with the bull. If there's anyone negative or any negativity, that person's off the set." And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Negativity, like in what way?
- SPSpeaker
Just if there's, uh, any, like, saying negative things, or they've had a fight with someone right before, any kind of negative vibes. No negative vibes.
- JRJoe Rogan
The bull senses negative vibes?
- SPSpeaker
Just... Well, the whole, the whole, everyone on the set senses negative vibes, and everyone has to be completely present and positive for this. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is this voodoo, or is this, like, real science?
- SPSpeaker
N- no, I, I think it, it makes total sense, especially when you're doing stunts. When you're doing a stunt that can forever alter you, n- I, I don't like any negativity either. Everyone c- and also, if you're doing something that can forever alter you, you have to want to be there and want to be doing it. You can't halfway go into it, because then you're really gonna get fucked up. So this is just some of the-
- JRJoe Rogan
And this is knowledge you've acquired over time?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. No, that's true. If you, like, half commit in something that can forev- you're gonna get... Yeah, it's bad. [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
It's gonna be bad anyway, but you, you need to want to be there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, w- what a bizarre life skill.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. Yeah. [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I mean? What a bizarre skill. Like, I know how to survive doing something you really shouldn't do, that could alter you forever. Stay positive.
- SPSpeaker
Well, that's, that... It doesn't, it's not a guarantee, [chuckles] uh, Joe, but it does, I think it does help.
- JRJoe Rogan
We did a bunch of other stuff that was not bulls, like with cars and trucks and stuff, where I was like, "Ooh." Like, we had a close call once with this lady who was strapped to the front of a truck, and she was supposed to go through some sort of an obstacle course. But, like, they blew through some boxes, and the box got on the windshield of the other car, and the other car almost slammed into her legs.
- SPSpeaker
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, and she was screaming 'cause she thought it hit her, and it was like, we were like, "What the fuck are we doing?"
- SPSpeaker
Was that when you guys came back for the second round?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yeah, that was the second round. Yeah, the second round was sketchy. You know, we had people, like, getting... They were attached to a tree, and they had to figure out which key to unlock them, while a bungee cord was attached to them and a helicopter. And so once they got the thing unlocked, they would fucking rocket off of this tree. [laughing]
- SPSpeaker
Up through the limbs.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no, there was a lucky- luckily, th- there wasn't that. There was n- no branches that could have got them.
- SPSpeaker
But, but that would've been funnier.
- JRJoe Rogan
It would've been funnier, like, through the branches and shit.
- SPSpeaker
[chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
So they, they rocket over a fucking giant canyon. Like, we're on the top of this canyon-
- SPSpeaker
[laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they just went flying while they were being bungee jumped on the bottom of this fucking helicopter. It was terrifying.
- SPSpeaker
[laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
They were so high. If anything went wrong, they were dead as fuck.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Multiple times. [chuckles]…
- SPSpeaker
I'd experienced it a few times.
- JRJoe Rogan
Multiple times. [chuckles]
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, yeah. Uh, [sniffs] uh, there's a... You ever heard of Colonel John Paul Stapp?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- SPSpeaker
He was a doctor, a biophysicist, a flight surgeon, and he worked with, uh, Chuck Yeager and all that, uh, out at, uh, uh, Edwards... It was... It's now Edwards Air Force Base, and they were conducting experiments on, uh, what happens to a pilot when they eject at high altitude. And Colonel John Paul Stapp, 'cause th- these experiments were gnarly. They were on deceleration. They built this huge sled out in, uh, the desert, and he would strap himself in because the, the thinking at the time was, if you're gonna do something, a very dangerous, uh, experiment, a lot of times people back then would put themselves at the center 'cause they didn't wanna... Of course, they had other people doing it, and he did it most, though. So they would go hundreds of miles per hour, yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa!
- SPSpeaker
Hundreds of miles per hour and stop within, uh, uh, eight feet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Geez.
- SPSpeaker
And at the time, I think they thought you could only experience, uh, maybe 18 Gs of deceleration. He, at one time, experienced 49 Gs of deceleration. I think it's the most ever that any human is... And he went blind for a little bit, and he knew that was going to happen because he'd had that happen before in these experiments. And the night before, the one where he got 49 Gs, experienced 49 Gs, he went around his house with his eyes closed, uh, and just trying to do things like cook, and if, if he did go blind forever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Geez.
- SPSpeaker
He's one of the most... He w- he, at one time, he was known as the fastest man alive. On that sled, he went faster than anyone at the time. He- and he's the reason we have seatbelts in cars. He's one of the most brilliant men of the 20th century. He was on the cover of Time magazine. No one knows who he is today.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- SPSpeaker
Um, but he talked about survivor's euphoria, uh, and that's where I, I learned about it.
- JRJoe Rogan
What did he say about it?
- SPSpeaker
Just the, just the endorphins that get released after going through something like that, and that you did survive, and it's just... It, it just fills you up.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so he knew he was gonna go blind, and he did it anyway?
- SPSpeaker
He knew that there was a high probability of going blind.
- JRJoe Rogan
And a possibility of being blind forever.
- SPSpeaker
Yes, and he was blind for, like, a couple days before it s- he started getting, sensing light again.
- JRJoe Rogan
Phew!
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. He's, he's an amazing, amazing person.
- JRJoe Rogan
I did a flight with the Blue Angels once.
- SPSpeaker
How was that?
- JRJoe Rogan
It was amazing. Um, first of all, you, you don't... You never think of, like, that being a physical thing, that those guys have to be physically fit.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
When you go to... When we went to the base, before you, you know, do the whole safety thing, they explain everything, what you're gonna have to do, you see, like, that these guys are all fucking jacked. They're all like superheroes.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's 'cause they have to-
- SPSpeaker
And they're not the bigget- they're, they're compact.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, they're short like me.
- 1:00:00 – 1:15:00
And then there's probably, my wires got…
- SPSpeaker
And then there's probably, my wires got crossed somehow, and then I, I learned to like it. I looked... I would love it, you know? Uh, I guess it's like a comedian, uh, learning to love bombing, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
No one learns to love bombing.
- SPSpeaker
I, uh... Really, I've talked to a coup- couple comedians, and they're like, "If, you gotta learn to, like, love it, and b- basically not fear it."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
And, and I kinda did that with stunts, I guess. I, like, learned to... I just, I just liked it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- SPSpeaker
Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
You ever talk to a shrink about that?
- SPSpeaker
Well, while I was doing... I have talked... I, no, I have a therapist, and I'm like, "Okay, we can talk about all, everything in my life, but not the part of me that does stunts."
- JRJoe Rogan
... Really?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, because-
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause you don't wanna fix that, right?
- SPSpeaker
I didn't wanna unwind that, even though it, it, it went sideways quite a few times.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a wild statement: "I didn't wanna unwind that."
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. So I've, I've looked into it a little now that I can't get any more concussions, but, uh [laughing] Don't crush my career!
- JRJoe Rogan
What is... Yeah, right, what a crazy job for the therapist.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, the one area where you really probably should address. [laughing] You know what I mean?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You have this, like, overall, "What is Johnny Knoxville? What's going on in his head?"
- SPSpeaker
[laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's this one door, "Yeah, you can't go in that room."
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, we can't, can't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
The biggest problem we can't address, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's kind of a crazy thing.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. Well, again, I should've went to college.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you get, uh, annoyed having to answer all these questions all the time about that kind of shit? Because after a while, I would imagine, like, that is the most common thing that people would wanna talk to you about. Like, "How many times you been hurt? What happened? What is it like?"
- SPSpeaker
No, I don't. I, I mean, I, I, uh... Again, I get the joke, what I would be doing if I wasn't doing this, so-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- 1:15:00 – 1:30:00
Oh.…
- SPSpeaker
her lower back. She w- she was doing a thing. Uh, we're doing a, just an, it was a pretty tame stunt compared to the ones we do. She was going down, uh, like, a, it was grass, but it was, like, a big hill on a, like, a r- some kind of rubber raft, and she had her lav mic at the lower, on her lower back.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- SPSpeaker
And she came off, and that was the impact area. And for the longest... And it really was a bummer for everybody, you know? And, and I'm like, "I don't..." I didn't have, we didn't have a female cast member for a long time.
- JRJoe Rogan
What was the extent of her, extent of her injury?
- SPSpeaker
I, I f- I... It was, it w- she was in the hospital for a little bit. She's fine now. I just saw her at the Jackass art show in November, and she's fine, but i- i- it sucked.
- JRJoe Rogan
You had a Jackass art show?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, yeah. For, 'cause it was our 25th anniversary last year, and I'm like, "Let's have an art show," and have... We have some cast members and crew members who are good artists, and I'm like, "Let's reach out to some big artists to see if they'll do it." And, and we did. It's the first time I ever curated an art show, and, uh, I, I, you know, I even, I was like, "Oh, fuck, I'm gonna reach out to Damien Hirst to see if he'll do it."
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
And he ended up doing 10 pieces of art for it. It was... I was like, "Wow!" You know, I was really blown away by the good vibes and, uh, that we got from everyone over it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, because you guys didn't just create a show. You, you, you know, you created, like, a chapter in modern pop culture history. [exhaling] Really, 'cause it became one of the most entertaining things ever, and one of the most ridiculous things ever.
- SPSpeaker
Wow. Yeah, it's... That's tough to... [exhaling] I never really walked down those roads. Uh... yeah, I don't, I, I don't know. I, I appreciate you saying that, though, but it's, it's, it's odd, you know, to entertain that thought of it, and especially if you see me and Tremaine sitting around writing ideas. You're like, "These two idiots- [laughing] "... did that?"
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
Like, if you could see how we shoot, it's just you... It's amazing we get any footage at all, Joe. Um, Jeff Ross came out with us on Jackass Number Two. We were doing some bit, and s- some prank with me and Spike as old people, and me and Spike would [chuckles] we would, like, hit bus stops and, and anywhere where there was people, and we... But we would jump out and start doing pranks before the cameras even arrived, and it was driving Jeff insane. [laughing] He's like, "You guys shoot a movie like it's a pickup basketball game," and he just roasted us for about five minutes straight. It's so... And it was all accurate. It's like, it's amazing we get any footage.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but, like, that's the spirit of it, is that you're doing it for fun, so you would be doing it if the cameras were on or not.
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're doing it for yourselves-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... as much as you're doing it for the camera.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, for sure. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, which is why it's so good.
- SPSpeaker
The... I, I don't know how to make, like, other people laugh, right? If I'm writing a bit, I don't... That would freeze me. But I know how to make my friends laugh, and if they're laughing, I think, "Eh, we may have something." [laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
And that's, that's the only bellwether... Like, if you do something, like in the, in the, the magic trick, uh, with the bull, we did that twice, 'cause the first time, the first bull just came and, and didn't really knock me up in the air. He just got me on the ground and just started plowing me, stomping me, and I got up, and everyone was looking at me like, "Eh." I'm like, "All right." And I looked at Jeff, and he's like... I'm like, "All right, bring the other bull in."
- JRJoe Rogan
[exhaling]
- SPSpeaker
That sucks.
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughing]
- SPSpeaker
Take two with bulls always sucks.... [chuckles] you're hoping you get that first one.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, God! The, the things with the animals are the ones I think that freak me out the most. So Wild Boys was the hardest one for me to watch. I dr- I really struggled with that show.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, the one that I ... Jeff and I got in a half argument over, I was in Arkansas shooting the riot control test. I, me, Bam, and Dunn were standing in front of the riot control. Shoots like 10,000 hard rubber beads at you. We were shooting that, and they were in New Orleans about to go out and put a hook through Steve-O's jaw, chum up the waters, and cast him out to the water with sharks. I'm like: "What, what, uh, what are we doing, Jeff? What's, what, what, what's the best possible outcome here?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- 1:30:00 – 1:45:00
I don't know. I don't know what…
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know. I don't know what the referee was thinking, because referees have stopped fights for less injuries.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, yeah!
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very subjective.
- SPSpeaker
Usually, when it goes from your eyebrow to the top of your skull. [chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's very subjective. Like, one referee or one doctor will say, "Let it go," and then another doctor will go, "It's over." And if the doctor says it's over, it's over.
- SPSpeaker
But a referee inspected it when it-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm
- SPSpeaker
... when it split up her head.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. They wiped it down. They allowed her to continue. Yeah, she, she got cut, and she-
- SPSpeaker
Who was that referee-
- JRJoe Rogan
... went back to her round
- SPSpeaker
... who looked at it and said, "Yeah, you're fine.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, look at that.
- SPSpeaker
Get back in there, kid."
- JRJoe Rogan
See if you can find video of it while it's happening.
- SPSpeaker
Look at her nose! The nose would've stopped the fight.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nose is destroyed, forehead's destroyed. I don't remember what she got hit with. It was most likely an elbow that did that. Who was she fighting? Norma Dumont. Norma Dumont. Norma Dumont's a beast, too.
- SPSpeaker
And who won?
- JRJoe Rogan
There are two... Norma did. Norma won. But I don't... What did she, uh... Like, see if you can find a video of it. The video of it is gnarly, because, like... And we're freaking out, 'cause we're doing the commentary, I'm like: "Oh, my God, this lady is a savage!"
- SPSpeaker
What round did that happen in?
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a good question. I want, I wanna say it was the second round, but I don't totally recall.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, my God!
- JRJoe Rogan
... wh- what did you just have? You just had a-
- SPSpeaker
It was a video game.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, it's a video game. [chuckles] The video games are so good-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, the video's not going on right
- JRJoe Rogan
... you can't tell the difference now, that's the problem. [chuckles]
- SPSpeaker
In the fight in the video game.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's, uh... But again, it's, I don't know why, it's like when a woman gets knocked out, it bugs me way more.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- 1:45:00 – 2:00:00
Mm…
- JRJoe Rogan
had all these films-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- JRJoe Rogan
... of all the old-school fighters. Sandy Saddler-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, he's a big-
- JRJoe Rogan
Willy Pep. Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so Mike would just sit and watch all these great fighters, all the old-school guys, all the old Joe Louis fights on film, you know, all the Sugar Ray Robinson fights, and-
- SPSpeaker
Which there are not a lot on film. I wish there were-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right
- SPSpeaker
... 'cause we never have prime Sugar Ray Robinson. Like, there's not a lot of films.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you can watch them on YouTube.
- SPSpeaker
But I, I don't think, like, prime, prime. I think after a certain-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, no, there's some prime Sugar Ray Robinson. Yeah, you can watch some great Sugar Ray Robinson KOs that are on.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He was another guy, I mean, I think he had, like, 90 fights. W- I think he was, like, something like 90 and 0 before he-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... f- had his first loss.
- SPSpeaker
And then he went another 40 fights before he lost the second.
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy!
- SPSpeaker
Insane, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy. And they were fighting all the time back then.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Those guys would fight multiple times in a year. It wasn't like today, where, you know, guys will, like Canelo and Crawford, they talk about it. Like, Crawford hadn't had a fight in, like, a year and a half, like...
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It wasn't like that back then.
- SPSpeaker
They were fighting a few times a month.
- JRJoe Rogan
Constantly.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But also, you know, then the end is so sad, because in the end, Sugar Ray Robinson had dementia, and it's like-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- 2:00:00 – 2:15:00
[laughing]…
- JRJoe Rogan
made this documentary, and it's, it's a really interesting documentary because he made the documentary ... The, this was the plan of it. He was an endurance racer, so he was gonna do a cycling race, and he was gonna do it naturally. So he does, does it, compares his numbers, and then he hires this guy, uh, Grigory Rodchenkov. Is it Rodchenkov? Yep. Yeah, you got it. I think you said it right. Rodchenkov? Yep. Um, he was ... That's the guy who was the head of the Russian anti-doping, and I'm making air quotes, "anti-doping program."
- SPSpeaker
[laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
And so during ... Yeah, Rodchenkov. Grigory Rodchenkov. So during the filming of it, it turns out that the Russians get busted, because during the Sochi Olympics, the entire, the entire roster of Russian athletes-
- SPSpeaker
Oh, yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... was on 'roids.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So what they did was, they cut a hole in the wall, and they would take the-
- SPSpeaker
Boing
- JRJoe Rogan
... the piss that the Russians had given after the competition, they'd sneak it through the hole, and sneak in some new piss and put it in its place.
- SPSpeaker
[laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
But what they had found was that there was micro-abrasions in the jars. They supposedly had these unopenable jars.
- SPSpeaker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And the Russians had figured out a way to, like, snake some sort of a utensil or some sort of a, a, a device and open up these jars, swap out the piss, and put in some cl- fresh, clean piss-
- SPSpeaker
[chuckles]
- JRJoe Rogan
... in the same jar. So this is while they're filming. So he is being taught how to juice up by this guy. So this guy's telling him, "This is what you would take, and this is how much to take." So he's doing this-
- SPSpeaker
Stop at this long before-
- JRJoe Rogan
... preparing, preparing to go do this cycling race juiced up, and while this is happening, this guy has to flee Russia, 'cause now he gets busted. And then he starts telling Bryan Fogel everything. He tells him how they run the program. So now, to this day, this guy's hiding. He's in witness protection. They took his ... They arrested h- his family. I think they took his family's money away. They took their home away. They took everything, and because they want him, them-
- SPSpeaker
Right
- JRJoe Rogan
... to turn this guy in.
- SPSpeaker
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
So he's in witness protection right now, still in America, hiding, 'cause they'll assassinate him if they find him.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... 'cause this guy gave up the entire secrets of the Russian doping program, which led to, in the Brazil Olympics, Russia was banned from the Brazil Olympics.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. Yeah, for the doping in Sochi.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So this documentary is fucking wild because it shows, uh, he tells every- the only people they didn't do it with was figure skaters. They said the figure skaters, it didn't help, and it, it actually hurt a little bit to give them the drugs.
- SPSpeaker
We tried, but it didn't help.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they wanna keep them gay. [laughing]
- SPSpeaker
[laughing]
- JRJoe Rogan
They wanted to keep them, like, whatever they wanted to keep them. They just felt like there's something about giving them testosterone, giving them, uh, human growth hormone, steroids, it fucked with their fine motor skills, and you, you have- it's like a such a delicate sport. You know?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- 2:15:00 – 2:29:12
Yeah.…
- SPSpeaker
stick it to the man. The man stuck it to us, we're gonna stick it to the man."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
With, you know, they're all- they all get checks for disability checks, and, you know, they're ... [sighs] I don't know, it's just, it's, it's pretty sad.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very sad. Entertaining and sad at the same time. Like, it's like you're very conflicted. Like, you wanna laugh at them, but you're also like, "Oh, my God, like, there's kids there. Like, there's, there's families here. They're all fucked up," like the kid doing backflips 'cause he's high on Mountain Dew.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. Yeah, and he's talking about stabbing... I forget which boyfriend of Sue Bob's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- SPSpeaker
... or Sue Perks. It's crazy. It's, it was intense.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but it's both funny and entertaining, but also, like, deeply disturbing at the same time. 'Cause you realize, especially towards the end of the film, where they wanna get out of this life. Like, they're trying to clean up, you know, and she's trying to get off pills, and-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. Yeah. But I... You know, it's tough when you're raised in an environment, and, you know, you don't know how to get out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- SPSpeaker
You haven't-- you don't have those tools.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's no clear path.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's no clear path out of there, and everywhere around you is fucked.
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everything's fucked. Everyone's fucked. There's no good examples of people that figured it out, got their shit together. There's no one cool uncle that, you know, went straight. There's-
- SPSpeaker
Well, there is part of the family that moved to Michigan, and they started flourishing, and I think we-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that's right.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's right.
- SPSpeaker
So-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the movie.
- SPSpeaker
But it's, it's... Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fucking hard.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
It's hard.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's like, I think there's unfor- there's just forgotten sections of our country when it comes to y- just extreme despair and poverty, and just overall, like you said, fucked over by the coal companies, fucked over by pills. Everyone's addicted, everyone's... Just y- like, this long history of crime and-
- SPSpeaker
And when you're raised in that continually-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm
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