Joe Rogan Experience #2444 - Andrew Wilson

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   [upbeat music] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

   2. SPSpeaker0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. [upbeat music] Prove me wrong type things, you know, way before Charlie Kirk was-

   4. AWAndrew Wilson0:18

      That changed my minds?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Changed my mind.

   6. AWAndrew Wilson0:20

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      What does Charlie... What did Charlie say? Prove me wrong or something like that?

   8. AWAndrew Wilson0:24

      Yeah, it was something akin to that. My understanding was that es- essentially, uh, TPUSA ripped that idea off from Crowder.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:34

      Yeah, essentially.

   10. AWAndrew Wilson0:36

       Yeah. And then, uh, he w- I think he feels a lot of, like, responsibility for what happened with Kirk, because-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Is he the Mossad?

   12. AWAndrew Wilson0:48

       What's that?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Is he the Mossad? [laughing]

   14. AWAndrew Wilson0:49

       Is he the Mossad? Yeah, exactly. That's so funny. I don't know, let's k- have you got, you got Candace's number? We can ask her.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       [laughing]

   16. AWAndrew Wilson0:56

       We can ask her.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Candace is getting, uh... She's getting dragged on Twitter today, because-

   18. AWAndrew Wilson1:01

       [coughs]

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       ... uh, she's like: "I've, I've lived in Connecticut. I've never seen this much ice on trees, and, uh, it's 30 degrees out." And everybody's like, "Yeah, 30 is freezing." [laughing]

   20. AWAndrew Wilson1:13

       Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny. Ice on trees.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       And then people are like, "This is the people- "

   22. AWAndrew Wilson1:16

       Do you see all the Miss Cleo memes?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Miss Cleo?

   24. AWAndrew Wilson1:19

       It's... Oh, it's so funny.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Who's Miss Cleo?

   26. AWAndrew Wilson1:21

       You remember... You don't remember the Miss Cleo-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Oh, the psychic?

   28. AWAndrew Wilson1:23

       Yeah, the psychic.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       The psychic.

   30. AWAndrew Wilson1:24

       They keep on [chuckles] putting the Miss Cleo memes out for Candace, 'cause she's a psychic, you know? [laughing]
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   The interesting thing about that, though, is…

   1. AWAndrew Wilson15:00

      you seen any pheasant?" "No, shut up!" [laughing] Shut up.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      The interesting thing about that, though, is pheasant's an invasive species. That's not a natural North American species either.

   3. AWAndrew Wilson15:10

      True.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      They brought those fuckers over, and they are delicious.

   5. AWAndrew Wilson15:13

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      And it's fun to hunt them.

   7. AWAndrew Wilson15:14

      Well, they would always just walk those train tracks, those old abandoned train tracks, you know, and, and, uh, they'd have the dogs, dogs kick up the pheasant, and they'd shoot them from the track. Dog would bring it up. That was, like, a Michigan pastime.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Yeah, the c- the coyote thing's a real problem, 'cause coyotes are now... They used to be a western animal, and now they're in all 50 states.

   9. AWAndrew Wilson15:32

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Not only that, they're in virtually every city in America.

   11. AWAndrew Wilson15:35

       Well, they've been wiping them out in Michigan pretty good-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Yeah?

   13. AWAndrew Wilson15:37

       ... in the rural areas. Oh, yeah. Well, what they do now is they have the GPS trackers. They put them on the dogs.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       Ah.

   15. AWAndrew Wilson15:42

       Old boys will get in with AR-15s, and those dogs will run them for 200 miles, and then they finally take a shot, and they just will do that all winter long, man.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       That's good, but it's hard to wipe them out-

   17. AWAndrew Wilson15:54

       [clears throat]

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       ... because what they do is, you know, when you hear coyotes calling, it's like roll call. Like when they're, [howls] they're letting... Sometimes, there's a lot of confusion to what they're doing. Some people think that they're letting the other coyotes know that they've killed something, that we have food, but it's also a roll call. And when one of the coyotes is missing, the females have more pups.

   19. AWAndrew Wilson16:14

       Really?

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Yeah, some weird natural reaction. Also, their natural enemy is gray wolves, and when, um, they evolved, they evolved to, when the gray wolves killed them, 'cause the, the gray wolves don't breed with coyotes, but coyotes do breed with red wolves. That's why you have these, like, coy wolves on the East Coast.

   21. AWAndrew Wilson16:32

       Just like coyotes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       'Cause a coyote is a wolf. It's a wolf.

   23. AWAndrew Wilson16:34

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       It's just a small wolf. And so their natural inclination is when they're getting chased, they move to a new area, and then they have even more pups. So that's how they've spread out through the entire country. So if you go back to, like, the turn of the century, like, the 1900s, coyotes were exclusively a western animal.

   25. AWAndrew Wilson16:53

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       [clears throat] Now they're in New York City.

   27. AWAndrew Wilson16:56

       Yeah, they're everywhere.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       Which is crazy. They have them in Central Park.

   29. AWAndrew Wilson16:58

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       They have fucking coyotes running around Central Park. Some lady this morning posted on X, uh, a mountain lion in San Francisco, sitting on a porch in the city of San Francisco, a big one, just sitting there. It's like [laughing] ...
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      till the wheels fell off, and then, um, the drinking was the big one. You know, he went to a doctor, and the doctor's like, "You're gonna die."

   2. AWAndrew Wilson30:08

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      "Like, your liver is not in good shape. Like, if you back off now, you'll probably live. If you don't, you're not... You got, like, a few years left."

   4. AWAndrew Wilson30:16

      Well, and alcoholics, too, they have it... I don't know if he was one or not. He might have just been, like, a heavy social drinker, but, like, real alcoholics-... that's no way to live.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      No.

   6. AWAndrew Wilson30:25

      I mean, uh, they stink.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      Mm-hmm.

   8. AWAndrew Wilson30:28

      They, they're like, I mean, kind of everything about a real alcoholic is just they look completely unwell. They're just kind of mangled, you know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:36

      Yeah. [scoffs] It's a weird disease, too, uh, in that that addiction is one that you can't quit. You can't just cold turkey.

   10. AWAndrew Wilson30:43

       Yeah, you'll die.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       You'll die!

   12. AWAndrew Wilson30:45

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       There's only a couple of things that'll just kill you if you quit right away-

   14. AWAndrew Wilson30:49

       Yeah

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       ... and alcohol is one of them, which is really crazy, 'cause it gets integrated into your biological system, where you need it to stay alive. Your body's like, "Okay, we're gonna use this for fuel. We're gonna use this to function," even though it's poison.

   16. AWAndrew Wilson31:00

       Yeah, they've been weaning people off alcohol with beer for centuries.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Is that what they used?

   18. AWAndrew Wilson31:05

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       Beer?

   20. AWAndrew Wilson31:05

       Yeah, they used beer.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       Interesting.

   22. AWAndrew Wilson31:06

       They would just go, "Okay..." And well, it was pretty common to drink beer and ale with dinner, you know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       Right.

   24. AWAndrew Wilson31:11

       They'd just wean you off with beer.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       That makes sense.

   26. AWAndrew Wilson31:14

       They knew, they knew that hundreds of years ago. There's books on and, how alcohol, you know, what are they... Consumption or whatever-

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       Yeah

   28. AWAndrew Wilson31:20

       ... they called it. Uh, they, it killed you if you just, if you just quit, if you were an alcoholic, and so they'd wean you off with beer.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Wonder when they started making w- hard liquor? 'Cause you would imagine, like, fermented things like wine and beer were, like, the first things that people consumed.

   30. AWAndrew Wilson31:36

       I think it's been around for thousands, I mean, several thousand years.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yes…

   1. AWAndrew Wilson45:00

      to the federal police to do this, right? In this case, ICE is gonna protect its own buildings, the FBI is gonna protect its own buildings. If the local police aren't gonna protect it, and it's surrounded, then who, who does the protection then? And this is why Trump, he unleashes the National Guard, but where? To those federal buildings, to protect those federal buildings. That was the whole point of it. That's wh- and, and basically, anytime he's unleashed the National Guard that I've seen, it's to federal buildings to protect them. And so, uh, the mathematical formula works like this: the longer it is that protesters are engaging with federal officers, whose job is not to do basic street cleanup of thugs, that's the local PD's job, uh, the chances that there's an incident, which is gonna be a bad incident, is going to occur. So basically, the longer you're there, the, the more attrition there is, the more engagements you have with, with these federal officers over time, eventually-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:56

      Yes

   3. AWAndrew Wilson45:56

      ... there's going to be something which is out of pocket that happens or something which is escalatory that happens, and they're banking on that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:03

      Yes.

   5. AWAndrew Wilson46:03

      And that's why ICE is out in front of these bui- or not ICE, the Antifa people are still out in front of the ICE buildings in front of many states night after night after night, and it's designed specifically to make sure... It's just ma- a math formula, right? The longer we're here, and the less the local PD involves itself, the more chance of incident between federal officers and us.

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:23

      You're knocking steel against flint.

   7. AWAndrew Wilson46:25

      Yep.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:25

      Yeah, you're, you're-

   9. AWAndrew Wilson46:26

      Waiting for the fire.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:27

       Yeah, you're waiting for sparks.

   11. AWAndrew Wilson46:28

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       And, um, in this particular instance, this guy, uh, clearly had been very involved. Uh, I don't know if he was, uh, a part of the Signal chats, but when you go to what's supposed to be a peaceful protest, and you're fully armed like that, and with two magazines, it's kind of crazy, right? Like, what do you- why do you need so many bullets?

   13. AWAndrew Wilson46:50

       Now the liberals are all so pro-Second Amendment, too. [chuckles]

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       That is wild! [laughs]

   15. AWAndrew Wilson46:54

       They're all pro-Second Amendment.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:55

       That's absolutely wild, which I'm for.

   17. AWAndrew Wilson46:56

       "He had every right!"

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       I-

   19. AWAndrew Wilson46:58

       I, I tell... He didn't last month, but-

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:00

       Right

   21. AWAndrew Wilson47:00

       ... okay. [chuckles]

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       I like it.

   23. AWAndrew Wilson47:01

       [chuckles]

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       I like where it's going.

   25. AWAndrew Wilson47:03

       Sure.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       I like that, 'cause that's kind of a trap.

   27. AWAndrew Wilson47:04

       [chuckles]

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:05

       Um, did you see what M- MSNBC did to his image?

   29. AWAndrew Wilson47:08

       Yeah. They were they, where they gussied it up?

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       Basically did the opposite of what CNN did to me. You know, CNN, during the COVID times, turned me green-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   What are these chambered in, 940?…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Okay, yeah, and it's because of that. So, um-

   2. AWAndrew Wilson1:00:04

      What are these chambered in, 940?

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      It's nine.

   4. AWAndrew Wilson1:00:07

      Nine?

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      They're nines. But, uh, the um... So that's the gun this guy has.

   6. AWAndrew Wilson1:00:12

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      So when this CBP officer grabs his gun, he was moving off, and it appears, it's very grainy, the video, it appears there's an accidental discharge. Now, you can make an accidental discharge of this gun without touching the trigger. If there's any kind of pressure on the trigger, if it is a modified trigger, if there's anything that engages with it, even, even a slight amount, and you move the slide-

   8. AWAndrew Wilson1:00:43

      Mm-hmm

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

      ... at all, that gun will go off.... and there's videos of it online. You can find videos onli- online. See if you can find videos of it online where a guy shows how you can get that gun to, to negligent discharge, 'cause it will. It will, at least the pre-s- 2017 model. Um-

   10. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:02

       I don't- I didn't see his hand go on the slide of the gun, though.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       Yeah. Well, he's holding it in a... It's- [exhales] the hard thing is, it's fucking blurry as shit.

   12. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:10

       Yeah, you can't see. I looked at it from both angles, but the- it looked to me like he was holding it, um-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Like, by the handle-

   14. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:17

       By the handle

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       ... with no finger on the trigger.

   16. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:19

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       But it does seem like, at least in some of the takes that I've seen, I may be wrong, but it seems like that gun might have negligent discharged. Now, do you-

   18. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:30

       Usually when someone's holding a gun and there's a negligent discharge, it's because they, they pulled the trigger, right? [chuckles]

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       Right, right.

   20. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:36

       So in this case, let's... I'm, I- I mean, I'm gonna assume it for a second. So the gun drops on the side, striker-fired. Let's say it's... I don't know what the mechanism is. We'll say the disconnector, that makes the disconnector go, the hammer drops, bam, hits the primer, gun fires. I get that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       Gun fires, hits the ground.

   22. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:52

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       These guys think- they hear, "Gun."

   24. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:54

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:54

       These guys think this guy might have a gun in the scramble. They don't know. This is all seconds-

   26. AWAndrew Wilson1:01:59

       So they open fire.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

       High pressure, they open fire on him.

   28. AWAndrew Wilson1:02:02

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       That's what I believe happened. You know, so when people say, "Oh, they straight-up executed this guy" -

   30. AWAndrew Wilson1:02:09

       Think you better... It- there's a little more nuance there.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:30:00

   Yeah. Um-…

   1. AWAndrew Wilson1:15:00

      And here's what I see, the, the bird's-eye view, right? Trump, what they're gonna do, Democrats are gonna win the midterms. By hook or by crook, they're gonna win the midterms. And when they do, if they have the power in the House to do this, they're gonna impeach him day one, and we'll have- now it'll be the thrice impeached president, right? And they'll obstruct him. They'll obstruct his agenda the entire step of the way under this elongated impeachment, and they'll just run out the clock.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:27

      Yeah. Um-

   3. AWAndrew Wilson1:15:28

      They'll just run it out.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:29

      It's, it's all pretty fucking crazy. It, it's really crazy. Gad Saad has a great, uh, way to describe this. He calls it suicidal empathy. And, you know, a lot of these people that are on the left, that are self-described leftists, they're very kind people, and they, they want, you know, everyone to have a chance to live in America and be good people, and they don't understand they're being used as pawns by much more cynical people that are just trying to get total control. And if you want to know what total control looks like and what kind of restrictions could be imposed on a Western society, look no further than the UK. Look what's going on in, in England right now. 12,000 people have been arrested so far last year for, uh, in the last year, rather, for social media posts, just social media posts criticizing immigration. Um, there was some new thing that they, uh, just passed that makes it so that you're supposed to tell on people who are talking in pubs, who are having conversations in pubs that you think are, are dangerous conversations.

   5. AWAndrew Wilson1:16:40

      There was that woman in the UK who was SA'd and then called the guy a name via text.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:16:46

      Yes. She called him a faggot.

   7. AWAndrew Wilson1:16:48

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:16:48

      Yeah.

   9. AWAndrew Wilson1:16:49

      She called... Yeah, she called him a faggot.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:16:50

       She was sex- she was sexually assaulted. She called him a faggot, and then she was arrested.

   11. AWAndrew Wilson1:16:54

       Yeah, she was arrested. I was- And I remember arguing on Piers Morgan, I was debating with a leftist on this. This was the topic at the time.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:17:01

       Yeah.

   13. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:01

       And the leftist, who looked to me like he, he was a faggot, too, [chuckles] said... Uh, he was defending it tooth and nail, right? "This is a good thing because we want to get rid of stigma." The idea is to try to destigmatize the thing. See, words create stigma, and stigma creates harm values, and harm values are evil. They're bad. That's, that's the whole moral system. If it- if we reduce harm, that's moral. If we increase harm, that's immoral. So that, it, that's the zero-sum way that they look at this, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:17:30

       Yeah.

   15. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:30

       If you're increasing it, bad; if you're decreasing it, good. So if we're decreasing stigmatization of an activity that we think is protected, then that's reducing harm, therefore, that's the moral position.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:17:41

       Crazy.

   17. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:41

       They are crazy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:17:42

       It's crazy!

   19. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:42

       That is actually a crazy way to look at the world.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:17:45

       Well, it's very dystopian.

   21. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:47

       [coughs]

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:17:48

       It's, it's very spooky that it, it's happening so quickly, and that the UK has become the, the leader in the world for arresting people for social media posts. No one would've ever saw that coming five, six years ago. But this is what happens when you get total control of a population. You don't- And you don't stop where you're at. You continue to move forward. You continue to try to get more and more control, and this is this new thing where they're trying to, um, uh, get people to turn people in for bar talk, which is just crazy. It's just crazy. So that's where it goes. If you're really, uh, a liberal, a real liberal, a real progressive person who really believes in free speech, you should believe in all speech, and you have to. I mean, this was the ADL's position way back in the day when they would allow the Ku Klux Klan to march. They would say, "Look-

   23. AWAndrew Wilson1:18:38

       And then fight for the right to do so.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:18:40

       Yeah.

   25. AWAndrew Wilson1:18:40

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:18:40

       Yes. I mean, this is what it used to be.

   27. AWAndrew Wilson1:18:42

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:18:42

       It used to be an understanding that as complicated as this thing is, you've got to allow people to say horrible things so that you can counter them with better points, and you make a better argument, and then people see your side, and then society moves forward in a generally positive direction.

   29. AWAndrew Wilson1:18:57

       You know, in the online dialectic-... the way that it moves between group. And I, and I think that now, uh, online influencers, podcasters, political commentators, actually do have political- they have some political capital now, which can be spent the same way low-level politicians have political capital, which can now be spent. They actually are connected oftentimes with politicians-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:19:17

       Right
7. 1:30:00 – 1:45:00

   I agree-…

   1. AWAndrew Wilson1:30:00

      I agree-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:30:00

      Yeah

   3. AWAndrew Wilson1:30:00

      ... but I think that the conservative men seem to, like they have closer longevity with friends than progressive men do.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:30:06

      Yes, and they don't abandon them when they change their opinions on things.

   5. AWAndrew Wilson1:30:09

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:30:09

      Um, so here's the self-reported data. Um, from a 2022 survey analysis found that 51% of conservatives report, report excellent mental health-

   7. AWAndrew Wilson1:30:19

      Mm-hmm

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:30:19

      ... compared to 20% of liberals. That's a big difference.

   9. AWAndrew Wilson1:30:23

      Huge.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:30:24

       It's a giant difference.

   11. AWAndrew Wilson1:30:25

       I don't think stigma could account for that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:30:27

       No, it can't. It's, it's like, it's not just stigma. It's like... [sighs] It's also like, what, like what is, what does it mean to be conservative? Does it mean, you know, taking account for your own actions, discipline, hard work ethic? All those things are a- actually good for your mental health, like, like pulling yourself up, and getting back to work, and doing things.

   13. AWAndrew Wilson1:30:47

       I think, I think now, and I think maybe it always should've been framed this way, I think now for, to, for the label of conservative to apply, we really kind of start with religious foundationalism.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:30:58

       Mm-hmm.

   15. AWAndrew Wilson1:30:59

       That's what d- is becoming, fast becoming the delineation.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:31:03

       Right.

   17. AWAndrew Wilson1:31:03

       Is-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:31:04

       Having a framework.

   19. AWAndrew Wilson1:31:04

       Having the framework, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:31:06

       Yeah.

   21. AWAndrew Wilson1:31:06

       And the religious framework is almost instantly going to put you-... in that moving towards that conservative camp almost every single time. And, uh, and I think, I think that that's a necessary component now. If we're trying to make these political delineations, it becomes tough. What's a Republican or a neocon versus a conservative versus a this versus that? It comes down to foundationalism of framework-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:31:30

       Right

   23. AWAndrew Wilson1:31:30

       ... like you were just saying, and the framework of Christianity and Christian ethics, huge delineation point between the right and the left, who rejects that for harm principles, utilitarianism, and various other, uh, sorts of frameworks.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:31:44

       Yeah, and they'll, they'll also point to, you know, [coughs] what Christianity has done throughout history and the amount of harm that it's caused. [sighs] But it's kind of like every power structure throughout history you could point to-

   25. AWAndrew Wilson1:31:57

       [chuckles]

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:31:57

       -in that way.

   27. AWAndrew Wilson1:31:58

       Well, it was what was there.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:31:59

       Yeah, it's what was there.

   29. AWAndrew Wilson1:32:00

       The thing is, is like, the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church gets a lot of shit for this. Well, look at a- all the horrible things that the Catholic Church did, and it's like, well, the Catholic Church was the whole known world once.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:32:11

       Right.
8. 1:45:00 – 2:00:00

   ... and who gets to fill the…

   1. AWAndrew Wilson1:45:00

      ... and who gets to fill the power vacuum.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:45:01

      Exactly. That's what I think, too.

   3. AWAndrew Wilson1:45:02

      I still think that it's, it, it turned into a dog-eat-dog for the power vacuum fight-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:45:07

      Yep

   5. AWAndrew Wilson1:45:07

      ... and it was a criticism of values, foundationalism, and all of that. But from the left view, if you eat- if you're eating your own, right, and you eat the message apart to the point where you get down to the foundation, and now everybody's in lock and step, is that better for political power or worse? Like, if you constantly are just eating the wrong... You know, "Nope, that message isn't pure enough," and they gobble 'em up-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:45:30

      Right, right

   7. AWAndrew Wilson1:45:31

      ... until you get the monster, right, who has the right message, they're all on board. Is, is that the better way to achieve this kind of, like, political paradigm that they want? That's my question.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:45:41

      It's very naive. It's a, it's a naive perspective that eventually you're gonna boil it down to a purity, and you're not going to. It's not gonna happen. You're, you're never gonna get far left enough, and-

   9. AWAndrew Wilson1:45:51

      There'll always be something else to eat 'em over on.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:45:53

       Yeah. Well, also, you're advocating for communism, and advocating for communism is so wild. And people- there's no examples of it ever being done right. It's... There's zero. Imagine advocating for something that has zero success. Zero. None. Like, you can- it doesn't exist. It does- it's never happened. There's never been w... Why? Well, I'll tell you why. Because if everybody has to share all the money, then who's gonna enforce that? Who's gonna do... Who, who's gonna tell people that you have to give up your house?

   11. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:26

       A state. [chuckles]

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:46:27

       Who's gonna tell people to give up your... The state.

   13. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:28

       The state. [chuckles]

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:46:29

       And the state has guns.

   15. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:29

       Yeah. [chuckles]

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:46:30

       Yeah, so you're advocating for violence.

   17. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:31

       Yeah, well, you-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:46:32

       Well, you don't think you're advocating for violence, but you are.

   19. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:34

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:46:34

       You're advocating for hard men with, with guns-

   21. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:37

       Guns, to enforce your will

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:46:38

       ... and those people are gonna wind up living in mansions and eating filet mignon, and everybody else is gonna be eating oats and gruel, and, uh, that's-

   23. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:46

       Which is exactly what's always happened-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:46:48

       Always

   25. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:48

       ... when it's tried.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:46:49

       Always.

   27. AWAndrew Wilson1:46:49

       And the thing, the thing that's interesting, too, is there's other, there's other value set issues that are really simple to point to. Like, okay, nothing's worth anything. Like, how do I get my guitar?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:46:59

       Right. It's nonsense.

   29. AWAndrew Wilson1:47:00

       Like, just, y- you know, all the communist nations were always setting their market prices based on what capitalists, which markets-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:47:06

       Right
9. 2:00:00 – 2:15:00

   Right.…

   1. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:00

      and stuff like that, I disagree with. 'Cause, like, if you went in there and used strong-arm force and just stopped it immediately, so what?

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:00:07

      Right.

   3. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:07

      So what? How's the world a worse place for this? How is it... You know, like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:00:11

      Right

   5. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:11

      ... and how is that not ultimately stopping an egregious, sinful act, uh, that you can stop with ease?

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:00:17

      Right.

   7. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:17

      Like, why not? Why not do that?

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:00:19

      Well, one of the things, uh... I got really into, uh, Aztecs recently, and because I, I did- I wasn't aware, um, that a lot of those temples that they found- you would think that the people that built those incredible pyramids and temples-

   9. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:35

      No, they found them, didn't they?

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:00:36

       Yeah.

   11. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:36

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:00:36

       You would think they have to be an incredibly sophisticated society.

   13. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:38

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:00:38

       Well, it turns out they didn't really build them.

   15. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:40

       No, they found them.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:00:40

       They found them.

   17. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:41

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:00:42

       And they referred to them as the place where the gods were born. I didn't know that. I, I, I was always told that they built these incredible structures, and then the Spaniards came, and then they found them, and... No, when-

   19. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:52

       No, they were primitives who found, who found something that-

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:00:55

       Exactly

   21. AWAndrew Wilson2:00:55

       ... was extremely advanced and then used it for their primitive applications.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:00:59

       Not just primitive, but barbaric.

   23. AWAndrew Wilson2:01:01

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:01:01

       Um, when they completed the consecration of the Temple of Tenochtitlan, they killed somewhere between 20,000 on the low end and 80,000 on the high end. They sacrificed 20,000 to 80,000 people within four days. In four days. And this was documented by... God, I forget his name. Um, something Diaz. He was a Spanish chronicler. Because so this is before Cortez came. They, you know, they, they, they started, like, trying to figure out what's going on over there, and one, one of the things that this guy came back, he said-... this place is fucking crazy.

   25. AWAndrew Wilson2:01:43

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:01:43

       Like, they killed 80,000 people. And a lot of people have disputed the 80,000 people, but then they found so many bones that they're like, "Okay, it's probably somewhere north of 20,000," which is crazy enough!

   27. AWAndrew Wilson2:01:57

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:01:57

       They sacrificed them in four fucking days.

   29. AWAndrew Wilson2:01:59

       But morality is relative.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:02:01

       Right.
10. 2:15:00 – 2:26:13

    [laughs] That sounds so Republican! In 2010,…

    1. SPSpeaker2:15:00

       no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.

    2. JRJoe Rogan2:15:08

       [laughs] That sounds so Republican! In 2010, that was a Democrat saying that, and everybody was like, "Well, okay."

    3. AWAndrew Wilson2:15:17

       That's reasonable-

    4. JRJoe Rogan2:15:18

       Yeah

    5. AWAndrew Wilson2:15:18

       ... and rational.

    6. JRJoe Rogan2:15:18

       And not that, Tom Homan, who is the head now-

    7. AWAndrew Wilson2:15:22

       I know, was the- yeah

    8. JRJoe Rogan2:15:22

       ... was the guy then, and he gave him a fucking medal. Find the clip of Hillary when she's running in 2012, where Hillary is more MAGA than Trump. The way she frames things is so hardcore right-wing, she sounds to the right of Marjorie Taylor Greene. If you've never seen this... Have you seen this one?

    9. AWAndrew Wilson2:15:44

       I think so, but I'm gonna look again.

    10. JRJoe Rogan2:15:46

        It's wonderful. It's wonderful, 'cause it just shows you how much horse shit- By the way, how good was he? He was such a good spokesperson. Like, the way he talked was so... It was so measured and s- so noble in the way he phrased his, uh, his sentences. Like, it was really- it's really interesting how much perception plays a factor in what you think of as, like, someone being a good president, because everybody on the left thinks of him as being, like, the most amazing president ever.

    11. AWAndrew Wilson2:16:12

        Oh, yeah.

    12. SPSpeaker2:16:13

        I feel like there was an op-ed.

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:16:13

        No, this isn't the one.

    14. AWAndrew Wilson2:16:14

        And he wasn't.

    15. SPSpeaker2:16:15

        Yeah, I know. It keeps coming up, though, when I'm looking for it.

    16. JRJoe Rogan2:16:16

        But this isn't the one. The one is she's giving a speech.

    17. SPSpeaker2:16:20

        That's what I thought I was looking for, but I didn't even type in what I was looking for. I just typed in 2012, and that's the thing that keeps coming up.

    18. JRJoe Rogan2:16:25

        Maybe it's not 2012. It might have been 2008. Don't, don't... D- do, uh, Hillary is more MAGA than, than Trump. See if you can find it. Uh, it's... I know it's on YouTube, but it's this amazing campaign speech, where-

    19. SPSpeaker2:16:42

        I got it.

    20. JRJoe Rogan2:16:42

        You got it?

    21. SPSpeaker2:16:42

        Uh, this is 2008.

    22. JRJoe Rogan2:16:45

        Is it 2008? Yeah, that's it. That's it. Here it is. Listen to this. [laughs] I love this one.

    23. SPSpeaker2:16:52

        So I think we gotta have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they've committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked. They're gone. [clapping] If they-

    24. JRJoe Rogan2:17:02

        Cheers. Cheers from the Democrats.

    25. SPSpeaker2:17:04

        If they've been working and are law-abiding, we should say, "Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes, and you have to try to learn English-

    26. JRJoe Rogan2:17:16

        [laughs]

    27. SPSpeaker2:17:17

        ... and you have to wait in line." [cheering]

    28. JRJoe Rogan2:17:19

        You're gonna learn English! Everybody's cheering. [laughs]

    29. AWAndrew Wilson2:17:21

        Yeah, they love it. They love it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:17:24

        And now- [laughs]

Episode duration: 2:40:50