Joe Rogan Experience #2444 - Andrew Wilson

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 2:32

   Conspiracy culture, Candace Owens backlash, and why channels “crash out”

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

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      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. [upbeat music] Prove me wrong type things, you know, way before Charlie Kirk was-

   4. AWAndrew Wilson0:18

      That changed my minds?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Changed my mind.

   6. AWAndrew Wilson0:20

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      What does Charlie... What did Charlie say? Prove me wrong or something like that?

   8. AWAndrew Wilson0:24

      Yeah, it was something akin to that. My understanding was that es- essentially, uh, TPUSA ripped that idea off from Crowder.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:34

      Yeah, essentially.

   10. AWAndrew Wilson0:36

       Yeah. And then, uh, he w- I think he feels a lot of, like, responsibility for what happened with Kirk, because-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Is he the Mossad?

   12. AWAndrew Wilson0:48

       What's that?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Is he the Mossad? [laughing]

   14. AWAndrew Wilson0:49

       Is he the Mossad? Yeah, exactly. That's so funny. I don't know, let's k- have you got, you got Candace's number? We can ask her.

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       [laughing]

   16. AWAndrew Wilson0:56

       We can ask her.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Candace is getting, uh... She's getting dragged on Twitter today, because-

   18. AWAndrew Wilson1:01

       [coughs]

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       ... uh, she's like: "I've, I've lived in Connecticut. I've never seen this much ice on trees, and, uh, it's 30 degrees out." And everybody's like, "Yeah, 30 is freezing." [laughing]

   20. AWAndrew Wilson1:13

       Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny. Ice on trees.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       And then people are like, "This is the people- "

   22. AWAndrew Wilson1:16

       Do you see all the Miss Cleo memes?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Miss Cleo?

   24. AWAndrew Wilson1:19

       It's... Oh, it's so funny.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Who's Miss Cleo?

   26. AWAndrew Wilson1:21

       You remember... You don't remember the Miss Cleo-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Oh, the psychic?

   28. AWAndrew Wilson1:23

       Yeah, the psychic.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       The psychic.

   30. AWAndrew Wilson1:24

       They keep on [chuckles] putting the Miss Cleo memes out for Candace, 'cause she's a psychic, you know? [laughing]
3. 2:32 – 3:47

   Art Bell memories: time travelers, aliens, and the ‘give them rope’ interview style

   1. AWAndrew Wilson2:32

      "Ah."

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      I mean, you can do that if you're that guy, if you're Art Bell-

   3. AWAndrew Wilson2:35

      [laughing] Yeah

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:35

      ... you know, if you w- [laughing]

   5. AWAndrew Wilson2:37

      Well, you know, but Bell, I, I, I remember l- I used to listen to Bell all the time.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      He's the GOAT.

   7. AWAndrew Wilson2:41

      Oh, yeah, he was great.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      That's why I got him up on the wall over there.

   9. AWAndrew Wilson2:42

      You remember that intro? Boom, boom, boom, boom-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Yeah

   11. AWAndrew Wilson2:44

       ... boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, so he-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       From the Kingdom of Nye.

   13. AWAndrew Wilson2:47

       Yeah, yep.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       [laughing]

   15. AWAndrew Wilson2:48

       I remember, I remember listening to him, uh, for years, it... When I'd drive around with my dad.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Yeah.

   17. AWAndrew Wilson2:54

       And he was a... Like, it was a big deal. I remember the very first episode I heard from him, it was something about the Nim. It was like, you know-

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       What's the Nim?

   19. AWAndrew Wilson3:02

       The Nim were like... This guy called in, he was a time traveler.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       [laughing]

   21. AWAndrew Wilson3:06

       Right? And he came back in time, because his whole, his, his whole thing was, like, he had to stop the weather patterns from destroying the future. Because the Nim, an alien race of greys, had come, and they were heating up the planet slowly-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       [chuckles]

   23. AWAndrew Wilson3:20

       ... to change it to be the conditionals that were necessary for them to then live on the planet.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       Ah. [laughing]

   25. AWAndrew Wilson3:24

       And you know, Art Bell, he's always playing into it with the lunatics-

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       Sure

   27. AWAndrew Wilson3:27

       ... you know? And he's like, "And does the CIA currently know that you're there doing this?" [laughing] You know? And the guy, and the dude's just like, "Uh..." [laughing]

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       [laughing] Yeah, Art would give you all the rope.

   29. AWAndrew Wilson3:43

       Oh, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       You could call up, "Art, I'm a werewolf." "Interesting."
4. 3:47 – 5:53

   Bigfoot humor and Missing 411: mystery stories vs. mundane explanations

   1. AWAndrew Wilson3:47

      Oh, have you ever heard the Bigfoot episode?

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      How did you get that... No.

   3. AWAndrew Wilson3:49

      Oh, my God, that's the funniest episode you'll ever hear.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:52

      Really?

   5. AWAndrew Wilson3:52

      So a redneck calls into Art Bell and talks about how he killed Bigfoot and where he buried it.

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      [laughing]

   7. AWAndrew Wilson3:56

      And the guy has... It's like, I don't know if it was early trolling-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:00

      Uh

   9. AWAndrew Wilson4:00

      ... like before trolling was trolling, but it was... Like, this guy, he was like, "Yep, you know, me and Timmy, we, uh, we took him out back there, and we shot him right in the chest twice. And, uh, there was some young'uns, and they spread out a little bit, and then we, you know, we packed up the Bigfoot and buried him in the backyard." [laughing] You know?

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       Jesus Christ.

   11. AWAndrew Wilson4:17

       And Bell's just like, "And you said there was young'uns?" [laughing]

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       [laughing] The Bigfoot people are the weirdest.

   13. AWAndrew Wilson4:24

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       Duncan Trussell and I went, uh, hunting for Bigfoot once. We did this, uh... I used to do this TV show for a while called Joe Rogan Questions Everything, and I would be like: "All right, tell me about chemtrails." You know? And I'd go meet with all the loons and all, all, all the people that are, like, really involved in UFO, anything like that.

   15. AWAndrew Wilson4:41

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       And we went and hung out with the Bigfoot people. So we went Bigfoot hunting for, like, two days in the Pacific Northwest and talked to all these people, and they're all, like, the same person. The... I just said it's like a team of unfuckable white guys. It's like, that's what you find. Like, these guys are just like, they've found their calling.

   17. AWAndrew Wilson5:00

       Oh, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       It's just, like, looking for a mystery in the woods-

   19. AWAndrew Wilson5:02

       Yeah

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       ... that you'll never solve.

   21. AWAndrew Wilson5:04

       Well, the... There was a guy you used to have on your podcast, and he was, he was huge for a long time, and I think he still is. It's, uh... You remember those missing cases?

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Mm-hmm.

   23. AWAndrew Wilson5:13

       Right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       Yeah.

   25. AWAndrew Wilson5:14

       That was, that's a big deal. And I was always, like, anytime I heard anything about that, I always was enthralled with it, because some of the stories were demented.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Yeah.

   27. AWAndrew Wilson5:22

       You know, like kids appearing 500 miles away and all this.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Uh-huh.

   29. AWAndrew Wilson5:26

       But that guy always had you edged, 'cause people would always go, "What do you think is going on?" You know, and he'd go-

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       What was that guy's name?
5. 5:53 – 11:46

   Predators, scavengers, and the reality of dying in the wild

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      There is. There is, but the reality is, if you die in the woods, you get consumed pretty quick. That's the reality. That's why you don't find mountain lion skeletons. Mountain lions are a real thing. I've never found a down- dead mountain lion skeleton in all the times I've been hunting. Never, not once. You'll find, uh, elk bones, you know, you'll find stuff like that.

   2. AWAndrew Wilson6:15

      ... I found some coyote-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:17

      Yeah

   4. AWAndrew Wilson6:17

      ... coyote skeletons before-

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:18

      Mm-hmm

   6. AWAndrew Wilson6:18

      ... out in the Nevada desert.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:20

      But mountain lions are a real thing. You very, very, very, very, very rarely find a dead mountain lion.

   8. AWAndrew Wilson6:26

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      And there's so many of them. Now, think about how few people actually go, like, hiking-

   10. AWAndrew Wilson6:31

       Yeah

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       ... into the deep wilderness. Your body just gets consumed.

   12. AWAndrew Wilson6:35

       Sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       You know, there's so many animals that come along, rats, all kinds of things eat your bones.

   14. AWAndrew Wilson6:40

       Well, yeah, it's a free meal.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       Yeah, it's so easy.

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       And they can smell it for miles.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       Sure, bears.

   18. AWAndrew Wilson6:45

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       Anywhere there's wild pigs, and then, then it's over, then there's nothing left.

   20. AWAndrew Wilson6:49

       Yeah, yeah, they can smell that stuff for miles.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       But it's like people always want to attach some crazy, deeper, weird, m- you know, UFO, Bigfoot meaning to it. It's like, no, that's... You're in the wild, and nature has a whole plan for dead things, and it does a really good job of consuming them.

   22. AWAndrew Wilson7:04

       Oh, yeah, they don't last.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       Not at all.

   24. AWAndrew Wilson7:06

       Well, that's the thing. If you live out in the country, it's... You see this all the time. Uh, you know, a raccoon will be around getting in someone's trash. They'll walk out, bam! Raccoon's done. They just go throw it in the bushes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       Mm-hmm.

   26. AWAndrew Wilson7:17

       You don't need... That's it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       That's it. Yeah.

   28. AWAndrew Wilson7:19

       Problem, problem solved.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Problem solved, and it disappears quickly, and-

   30. AWAndrew Wilson7:23

       Mm
6. 11:46 – 17:14

   Reintroducing wolves, urban coyotes, and mismanaged wildlife policy

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:46

      Well, that's gone so far the other way, that fucking retards are bringing wolves into places.

   2. AWAndrew Wilson11:51

      Yeah, [chuckles] I know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:53

      It is so dumb. You know, I have a good friend who-

   4. AWAndrew Wilson11:56

      Didn't they take it over, like, in, in Yellowstone or someplace? They reintroduced wolves-

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:00

      Yes

   6. AWAndrew Wilson12:00

      ... and it just decimated the deer population.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:02

      Well, the, the elk population, but that's actually arguable that that might have been a good thing.... um, in some ways, because it was getting to- elk need natural predators, and mountain lions can only kill so many elk.

   8. AWAndrew Wilson12:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:17

      Um, but what's really interesting is mountain lions kill way more elk when wolves are around, 'cause the wolves find the mountain lions and take their elk, and so then the, the mountain lions have to go kill another deer or, you know, whatever they-

   10. AWAndrew Wilson12:30

       Why, why, like, just issue more hunting elk permits, though? Like, why do that?

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:34

       Well, d- you have to have some natural predators i- in, in a good, healthy ecosystem. And there's a good argument, particularly in Montana, that at one point in time, it had gotten to a, a, a point where you're gonna have, like, rampant disease. Because they were, they were issuing-

   12. AWAndrew Wilson12:50

       Mm-hmm

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:50

       ... these, uh... They were issuing, like, unlimited or a large amount of tags for people in the midwinter, so that you can catch these elk in deep snow and just pick them off, because they were having so many of them, and that they, they weren't sustainable, that they were hitting these massive populations. So their populations are down to, like, [sighs] I wanna say less than 40% of what they were at their peak when they brought in the wolves. But the problem is, these wolves, like, what they did in Colorado recently, is the dumbest of all time. Because they brought these fucking wolves outside of Aspen, and they took wolves from Washington State... Washington State or Oregon. But whatever it was, these, these wolves from the Pacific Northwest were wolves that already had been killing cattle. So they captured these wolves instead of killing them, and then they relocated them [snaps fingers] to Aspen, where they're killing cattle. So they, they relocated them onto my buddy's ranch. Like, there's five of them.

   14. AWAndrew Wilson13:49

       And he had a cattle ranch, did he?

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:51

       He didn't have... He doesn't have cattle on his ranch, but his fucking neighbors do.

   16. AWAndrew Wilson13:54

       Okay.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       And his neighbors are losing cattle left and right, and he's w- and so now they've killed off a couple of them, and they're trying to... It was a disaster, and it's because the governor, the governor's husband, he's a, uh, wildlife lover, and he thinks, "It would be amazing if we had wolves in our community."

   18. AWAndrew Wilson14:11

       You ever talk to those old deer hunters in Michigan?

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       In Michigan?

   20. AWAndrew Wilson14:14

       Yeah, they've been pissed off for... Like, every deer hunter I know in Michigan has been pissed off, who's a native, for years because they all, they all used to shoot pheasant. That was the big deal in Michigan, was pheasant.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       Mm-hmm.

   22. AWAndrew Wilson14:26

       And then here's the story I heard. I don't know if it's true or not, right? Um, but the DNR, the Department of Natural Resources, imported a bus- a bunch of western coyotes-

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       Oh!

   24. AWAndrew Wilson14:37

       ... in order to thin out the deer population, because the deer population was basically mangling all these farm crops.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:45

       Oh, boy.

   26. AWAndrew Wilson14:46

       And those w- now, that's an all-you-can-eat buffet for a coyote in Nevada, these ground birds that are just these fat-

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:54

       Yeah

   28. AWAndrew Wilson14:54

       ... fat little ground birds, and they decimated the population. So you, you'll talk to these old deer hunters, "Have you seen any pheasant?" "No, shut up!" [laughing] Shut up.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       The interesting thing about that, though, is pheasant's an invasive species. That's not a natural North American species either.

   30. AWAndrew Wilson15:10

       True.
7. 17:14 – 19:43

   California decline and political corruption talk, then an ad break

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:14

      Well, that's just 'cause California has the dumbest fucking laws when it comes to those things.

   2. AWAndrew Wilson17:18

      Yeah. Well, they have terrible gun laws, too. They have terrible-

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:21

      They have terrible laws.

   4. AWAndrew Wilson17:21

      They have terrible laws, period.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:22

      They have terrible laws, t- terrible everything.

   6. AWAndrew Wilson17:24

      Terrible politicians.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:25

      Yeah.

   8. AWAndrew Wilson17:25

      You know what's, is a shame, too? Like, I grew up in Santa Rosa, and, um, that's the most beautiful area.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:33

      Yeah.

   10. AWAndrew Wilson17:33

       The Napa Valley area is the most beautiful area on planet Earth.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       Yeah.

   12. AWAndrew Wilson17:36

       The weather's always perfect. It's January 15th, it might as well be July 15th.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:42

       Yep.

   14. AWAndrew Wilson17:42

       Right? It's always perfect, it's always gorgeous, and they fucked it all up.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:46

       They fucked it all up.

   16. AWAndrew Wilson17:46

       They fucked it all up.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:47

       Yeah. Well, they-

   18. AWAndrew Wilson17:48

       And they fucked it up real bad, too.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:50

       Oh, it's un- almost unfixable now.

   20. AWAndrew Wilson17:52

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       Especially, like, the San Francisco area. Like, the whole Pacific Northwest is just almost unfixable.... it's like they double down, and they keep going. Like, Seattle now has a communist mayor-

   22. AWAndrew Wilson18:05

       Yeah

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:06

       -who's been living with her parents.

   24. AWAndrew Wilson18:07

       So New York had [laughs] they all got communist mayors. [laughs]

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       Yeah, isn't that-

   26. AWAndrew Wilson18:11

       Black Lives Matter had- they were- their head organizers, they were communist, avowed communist, like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:16

       Until it came to buying property with-

   28. AWAndrew Wilson18:18

       Yeah

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:18

       ... Black Lives Matter money.

   30. AWAndrew Wilson18:19

       Yeah.
8. 19:43 – 22:19

   ‘Organic protests’ vs coordination: Don Lemon in Minnesota and policing tactics

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:43

      What's going on?

   2. AWAndrew Wilson19:44

      No idea.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:45

      [laughs]

   4. AWAndrew Wilson19:45

      I have no idea why... Well, I don't, I don't know why the, the heads of many of these organizations aren't being rounded up and summarily arrested.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:51

      Yeah.

   6. AWAndrew Wilson19:51

      I mean, if we're watching these... I've been covering the riots nonstop-

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:55

      Mm-hmm.

   8. AWAndrew Wilson19:55

      I'm sorry, protests, the, the completely organic protests, which are com- totally organic.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:00

      Yeah.

   10. AWAndrew Wilson20:00

       Um, and it's been interesting to watch. I was watching one the other day, we, we were live, and it was Don Lemon, and he had showed up in Minnesota, and the first thing Don Lemon does, right? I hate Don Lemon, by the way, but the first thing he does-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:14

       He is one of the dumbest motherfuckers-

   12. AWAndrew Wilson20:16

       Oh, yeah

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:16

       ... that has ever gotten on television.

   14. AWAndrew Wilson20:18

       Yeah, he's terrible. First thing he does, he gets... He drives up in this car, he's in the backseat, and he jumps out of the car, and he has this shit-eating Lemon smile on his face, you know, and he runs over with Starbucks to these people.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:29

       Mm-hmm.

   16. AWAndrew Wilson20:29

       And he's like, "Here you go!"

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       Yeah.

   18. AWAndrew Wilson20:31

       And then he jumps back in the car, right, and they drive off. Now, here's, here's what's interesting about this: he comes back, and he's in there with the protesters, you know what I mean? And he's interviewing them. Most of the protesters are saying, "We're coming from out of town. We're from this state. I'm from two states away. I'm from three states away," you know, for this totally organic protest. Well, the cops, what they start doing, they have these guardrails on the, the sidewalk in front of the ICE facility, and there's gaps inside of that barrier, and so they pull their police cruisers in just to fill those gaps so that they stay behind the barrier. And Lemon's like: "Why would they do that? Why would they, why would they keep us compressed, uh, you know, behind this barrier?" And I'm thinking, "Because you just stopped your car in the middle of the street to run across the road and give these guys Starbucks, you idiot!" You know-

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:18

       Yeah

   20. AWAndrew Wilson21:18

       ... they want to keep the roadway clear so that they can get their people in and out. You literally stopped your car in the middle of the road, ran across the street to give these people Starbucks, and then got back in your car. And you're like, "Why, why is it that they're trying to kid- keep us from getting into the road?" [laughs] You know? I'm like: "What are you talking about?"

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:34

       [laughs]

   22. AWAndrew Wilson21:35

       I just couldn't believe it. I was like, "What?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       It's amazing when these people that are so smug, uh, when they're protected by a large organization, by CNN, [lips smack] and then they get fired, and then they get l- they're, they're basically like, like a dog, like Carl, getting released into the woods, and then they have to fend for themselves. And you see them in the world of podcasting, where you don't have anybody writing things for you, and you have to express your own opinions. You're like, "Oh, this is the real you."

   24. AWAndrew Wilson22:05

       It turns out you're a moron.

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:07

       [laughs]

   26. AWAndrew Wilson22:07

       That... Well, I didn't know. Whoa! You know, the whole time, imagine you're thinking the whole time, uh... You know, I never thought I'd be an entertainer. I didn't think I'd do anything with podcast. Never. Never in a million years. I never would've thought that.

9. 22:19 – 25:42

   Andrew Wilson’s origin story: from gunsmith/robotics to online debater via COVID

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:19

      You were a... What were you, an engineer or a robotics guy?

   2. AWAndrew Wilson22:21

      Robotics mechanic, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:22

      A robotics mechanic?

   4. AWAndrew Wilson22:24

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:24

      How did you get involved in that?

   6. AWAndrew Wilson22:26

      Uh, well, [laughs] I was a, I was a gunsmith for years, and, um, there, there's no real applicable skills outside of that for anything, actually. There- it doesn't really carry over in anything. It's really its own thing. You know, bluing, things like that-

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:41

      Mm-hmm

   8. AWAndrew Wilson22:41

      ... it just doesn't carry over. Um, a friend of mine said, "Hey, look," 'cause I told him, I was like: "I need a job. Um, you know, I, I'm, I'm not making it. What do you, what do you think?" He's like, "You know, you should apply to be an industrial mechanic." And I was like, "I don't know much about it." You know, he's like: "Well, just go apply." So I did. Took an aptitude test, and so, uh, the guy was like, "Well, I want to hire you at a level three," which was high, high... You know, it was like mid-range, wasn't the highest, wasn't the lowest. I was like, "Damn, okay. You know, what's the pay?" He was like, "Well, it's like 30 an hour." You know, that to me, was, was life-changing. So I took the job, and I got... I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but they trained me up well. And then, um, there were some robots on the floor, and I started working on those, and then from there, they trained me in robotics, and so, uh, it was, it was all done on site.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:29

      Like what kind of o- automation? Like car assembly-

   10. AWAndrew Wilson23:32

       Automation, yep, automation, and it was all food-related.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       Food-related?

   12. AWAndrew Wilson23:34

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       Mm.

   14. AWAndrew Wilson23:35

       All food robots. Yep. So we weren't dealing with Johnny 5. We were dealing with, like, vacuum systems and ovens and, uh, various robots which were associated with those. Like, for instance, there was a packaging machine that would ju- all it would do is form boxes. That's all it did. It just... That's it. But it would form, you know, 1,000 boxes a minute, and it was a, it was a giant robot, and it had a huge sequence of functions on it. You know, when people think robot, they always think humanoid, but almost-

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       Mm

   16. AWAndrew Wilson24:02

       ... no robot-... is, is in any way humanoid at all.

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:05

       Right.

   18. AWAndrew Wilson24:06

       You know, they're, they're- that's just not what they're for.

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:08

       It is weird, right? That we think of robots as, like, movie robots.

   20. AWAndrew Wilson24:12

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:12

       We think of iRobot.

   22. AWAndrew Wilson24:14

       Yeah, if, if you came across a robot in a factory, you would have no idea it was a robot. You, you'd be like, "What the hell was that?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:21

       So how did you go from that to debating people online?

   24. AWAndrew Wilson24:25

       Uh, COVID.

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:27

       Really?

   26. AWAndrew Wilson24:27

       So the... Yeah, the lockdowns happened, and I was laid off. The- all the food plants in Michigan were shut down, especially the meat plants, and that's where I was. I was in the meat plants. And, uh, and they all shut down be- because of the draconian restrictions of one Gretchen Whitmer.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:43

       Mm.

   28. AWAndrew Wilson24:43

       And, um, anyway, while she was out with, you know, on a boat partying with, uh, you know, with her honey, we were all, uh, locked out of work, right? So we-

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:53

       Familiar story.

   30. AWAndrew Wilson24:54

       Yeah, we had the stay-at-home orders, and I would argue with these dumb liberals on Facebook, and, uh, and they... Oh, man, they pissed me off. And so I started crashing their panels, and I would debate with them. And, um, you know, I had a lot to say, and those things started to become more and more popular, and they would move over to YouTube. People would clip it, and then I started getting invited on to do debates with other people, and I didn't know who these people were. It wasn't my world. Like, I didn't know who any of these podcasters were, you know, stuff like that. I'd listened to it maybe occasionally-
10. 25:42 – 31:26

    Fame, humility, Piers Morgan’s injury, and a detour into smoking & alcohol

    1. JRJoe Rogan25:42

       That's so int- well, I never would have foreseen I would've been here either.

    2. AWAndrew Wilson25:46

       It's weird, huh?

    3. JRJoe Rogan25:47

       Yeah, oh, it's weird. Very weird. [chuckles]

    4. AWAndrew Wilson25:48

       And I'll never get used to it.

    5. JRJoe Rogan25:50

       No.

    6. AWAndrew Wilson25:50

       You know, you have people walk over, and they're like, "You're Andrew Wilson!" And I'm like, "I'm fucking nobody." You know what I mean?

    7. JRJoe Rogan25:56

       Yeah.

    8. AWAndrew Wilson25:56

       "But it's nice to meet you," you know? You shake their hand, you have a chat with them. Uh, I'll never get used to it.

    9. JRJoe Rogan26:02

       No, you probably shouldn't. It's probably better to not get... I'm not used to it.

    10. AWAndrew Wilson26:05

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan26:06

        Yeah.

    12. AWAndrew Wilson26:06

        Not used to it, yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan26:06

        It's probably better to not be used to it.

    14. AWAndrew Wilson26:08

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan26:08

        Keep you sane.

    16. AWAndrew Wilson26:10

        And maybe keep you humble.

    17. JRJoe Rogan26:11

        Yeah. The- you need something, you need something to keep you humble. We all know people that did not have something that kept them humble, and they lost their, their way. The wheels fall off.

    18. AWAndrew Wilson26:21

        Yeah, they lose their marbles.

    19. JRJoe Rogan26:23

        Yeah.

    20. AWAndrew Wilson26:23

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan26:24

        Yeah.

    22. AWAndrew Wilson26:24

        Yeah, I think-

    23. JRJoe Rogan26:24

        Especially as you get more and more famous, it becomes more and more unmanageable.

    24. AWAndrew Wilson26:29

        I was... I feel like I- I'm pretty well-grounded, uh, due to the fact that, um, I didn't come from a political background. There's no famous people in my family, you know? There's just none of that. And so I feel like the, the grounding's always there because, uh, you know, even, even from the family, you get the call, like, from, from my brother, for instance, like, he's been calling me the... I don't know if you can say the F slur here, so I won't, but he's been calling me-

    25. JRJoe Rogan26:52

        Faggot?

    26. AWAndrew Wilson26:52

        Yeah, faggot.

    27. JRJoe Rogan26:53

        [chuckles]

    28. AWAndrew Wilson26:53

        He's been, you know, he's been, like, the, the phone call since I was 15-

    29. JRJoe Rogan26:56

        [chuckles]

    30. AWAndrew Wilson26:56

        ... "What are you doing, faggot?" Has not changed.
11. 31:26 – 40:04

    Alchemy to particle colliders: making gold, secret projects, and ‘portal’ lore

    1. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Wonder when they started making w- hard liquor? 'Cause you would imagine, like, fermented things like wine and beer were, like, the first things that people consumed.

    2. AWAndrew Wilson31:36

       I think it's been around for thousands, I mean, several thousand years.

    3. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       I wonder, I wonder, like, how they figured it out, too.

    4. AWAndrew Wilson31:41

       I mean, the biggest, the biggest, uh, what was it? The biggest distributor in Europe of wine was the Catholic Church.

    5. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       Well, wine has certainly been around-

    6. AWAndrew Wilson31:48

       Yeah

    7. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       ... forever. But, like, what about hard liquor? Jimmy, put that into our sponsor, Perplexity. When was the first, uh, well, known... I mean, we don't really know, 'cause there's so much weird shit about history. But, like, what was the first in, like, documented hard liquor, like whiskey, vodka, shit like that? That's the stuff, that's the stuff that kills you. If you die from beer, boy, you- you're fucking... You're going hard. Like, Shane Gillis will sit here on a podcast and drink 16 Bud Lights. [chuckles] Um, first alcohol drinks were fermented things like beer, wine, mead, okay, thousands of years before true liquor. Okay, first lec- recognizable liquor appears when people begin to distill. Archeological evidence shows fermented drinks, okay, that's around 7000 BCE. So clear evidence of true alcohol distillation, Chinese rice beer distil- distillates by about 800 BCE.

    8. AWAndrew Wilson32:48

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan32:49

       So a couple thousand years.

    10. AWAndrew Wilson32:50

        A couple thousand years, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan32:51

        Yeah. Eh, okay. Wine into strong spirits, the Arab alchemists. Al-kuhl. Oh, interesting, using the term al-kuhl, the root of alcohol.

    12. AWAndrew Wilson33:04

        Well, and they used, they used alcohol as a base for, for alchemy, too. That was a base-

    13. JRJoe Rogan33:10

        Really?

    14. AWAndrew Wilson33:10

        ... for trying to transmute metal, yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan33:12

        I wonder if they were ever successful.

    16. AWAndrew Wilson33:14

        They were never successful.

    17. JRJoe Rogan33:15

        Nothing?

    18. AWAndrew Wilson33:15

        No.

    19. JRJoe Rogan33:16

        It seems like a crazy thing to waste so much time on, trying to turn lead into gold.

    20. AWAndrew Wilson33:20

        I mean, there, the, there was whole kingdoms spent trying to figure out how to do this.

    21. JRJoe Rogan33:25

        Wild!

    22. AWAndrew Wilson33:25

        And it's just like... And they never... I mean, you think about it, it makes sense, right? If you're the first one, if you're the one who knows-

    23. JRJoe Rogan33:32

        Mm-hmm

    24. AWAndrew Wilson33:32

        ... like, you can just create as much wealth for yourself [chuckles] as you want.

    25. JRJoe Rogan33:36

        Oh, yeah.

    26. AWAndrew Wilson33:37

        And, uh-

    27. JRJoe Rogan33:37

        It's just amazing that they kept trying.

    28. AWAndrew Wilson33:40

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan33:40

        Must have been someone saying that they got it. "I got it, dude. Just give me some money."

    30. AWAndrew Wilson33:43

        Oh, there was tons of frauds.
12. 40:04 – 41:46

    Minneapolis unrest, ‘color revolution’ framing, and the Cam Higbie on-the-ground model

    1. JRJoe Rogan40:04

       Um, I'm glad you're a, a gun guy, 'cause I want- I wanted to bring up this whole thing with this guy, uh, Pretty.

    2. AWAndrew Wilson40:11

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan40:11

       And I, I haven't talked about it. We haven't done a podcast since, uh, that guy got killed. Um, but that whole thing, for... There's a lot of people that don't understand what's going on, and, um, why riots only in Minneapolis? And why riots-

    4. AWAndrew Wilson40:28

       Mm

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:28

       ... in the place where there's an ungodly amount of fraud that has been discovered?

    6. AWAndrew Wilson40:34

       Coincidentally-

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:34

       Yeah

    8. AWAndrew Wilson40:35

       ... right around the same time.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:36

       Exactly. Like, instantaneously afterwards, the narrative completely changes. Everybody forgets about the fraud. Now, all anybody cares about is ICE, and fascists, and Nazis.

    10. AWAndrew Wilson40:46

        Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:46

        And, um, it's, uh... There's a... You know what a color revolution is?

    12. AWAndrew Wilson40:51

        Of course.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:51

        And for people that don't, it's, it's a coordinated effort to cause chaos, and this is a very coordinated thing. The idea that this is an organic protest, that this is, these are, these riots are organic, is nonsense. Um, it's provably nonsense, 'cause now they have access to the Signal chats, so they know that these... So these people-

    14. AWAndrew Wilson41:13

        Cam Higbie, by the way-

    15. JRJoe Rogan41:14

        Yes!

    16. AWAndrew Wilson41:15

        ... he was a... He's been on the front lines of this. Um, The Crucible has been a big supporter of that effort, uh, my channel. Um, I will often snipe his coverage while it's going on, send my audience over to send in super chats in order to keep this guy going. I think that that work is critical.

    17. JRJoe Rogan41:33

        Yes.

    18. AWAndrew Wilson41:33

        It's critical work, and there's not that many people doing it anymore because of how dangerous it has become.

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:39

        Yes.

    20. AWAndrew Wilson41:39

        And so I'm a big supporter of that. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he says politically, but what he's doing on the ground there needs to happen.

13. 41:46 – 1:09:51

    The ‘Pretty’ shooting: concealed carry rules, chaos dynamics, and SIG P320 discharge theory

    1. JRJoe Rogan41:46

       Right. We need... You need to understand that this isn't organic, regardless of how you feel. I don't feel that that guy should have been shot, um, but I understand what happened, and what happened was chaos. So what hap- first of all, it wasn't ICE. People need to understand that. [coughs] It was, uh, Customs and Border Patrol people. So they were brought in to assist ICE. Um, and they're telling this lady to stand away, and then this cop gets very aggressive and shoves her. Um, you have to understand the situation that they're in, right? And this is not making an excuse for any of it, but you have to just... Just to put it into context, these people are getting harassed outside of any hotel they're at. People blow horns. They try to smash into the hotel.

    2. AWAndrew Wilson42:32

       They dox them.

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:33

       They dox them.

    4. AWAndrew Wilson42:34

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan42:34

       It's why they're wearing masks. It's a coordinated effort.... I'm not saying that guy should have shoved that guy. I don't think he should have, or that woman. I don't think he should have, and then pepper sprayed. And then the guy who got shot, Pretty, he steps in, which is, if you know anything about concealed carry, if you are a concealed carry holder, and you are carrying not just a pistol, but two full magazines as well, you do not ever physically engage with someone. You also are supposed to carry your license on you, and you're supposed to, uh, you're supposed to have ID on you.

    6. AWAndrew Wilson43:09

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:09

       All right? You, you-

    8. AWAndrew Wilson43:10

       And you're trained-

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:11

       Yes

    10. AWAndrew Wilson43:11

        ... specifically for this, by the way. I was a CPL instructor for years.

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:14

        Okay.

    12. AWAndrew Wilson43:15

        And-

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:15

        So you know about it.

    14. AWAndrew Wilson43:15

        The, the thing is, there's a framework here, if you don't mind if I add to your framework-

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:21

        Please.

    16. AWAndrew Wilson43:21

        The framework here is this is a mathematical formula. So I've been following these extremely closely live, um, and looking at, at how this is done. Let's go backwards in time. You remember what was going on in California? Nobody died in California. There was an ICE raid on a Home Depot, and they went nuts, and they started smashing police cars, they were starting fires, right? There, there- this was not over somebody dying, and now the narrative, they're trying to make the narrative shift, the Gestapo is in here, you know, murdering American citizens. Well, and what, what was going on in California then? Because there was no American citizens getting murdered there. What was going on there was they did an ICE raid in a Home Depot, which anybody who's been to California knows, [laughs] that, uh, you know, there's... It used to be that you'd drive down the street, and they would all hang out in front of the Home Depot, and you'd say, "Two."

    17. JRJoe Rogan44:10

        Right.

    18. AWAndrew Wilson44:10

        And they'd hop in the truck, and you would, you know-

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:12

        Day laborers

    20. AWAndrew Wilson44:12

        ... they would go- yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:13

        Yeah.

    22. AWAndrew Wilson44:13

        They were day laborers, right? So it didn't surprise me that they were there doing daily raids. Okay, that doesn't surprise me a bit. Uh, and they, they all went ballistic. Now, here's what was very curious about the coverage of that, and I had a debate with a couple of leftists on this. What I saw was what looked to me to be a police stand-down order. There was people who were breaking in to, I don't remember if it was an Amco or a 7-Eleven, but they were busting into it, and the cops were, were on the side corner watching this go down and didn't do anything. They didn't do anything about it.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:42

        Right.

    24. AWAndrew Wilson44:43

        Okay? They'd- if it got too rowdy, they'd clear it out, and then they let them continue. It looked like a stand-down order, like, you don't, you don't involve yourself. Well, what I think these guys have figured out is a mathematical formula, and it works like this: the, if the local police are not going to protect the federal buildings, then it's left to the federal police to do this, right? In this case, ICE is gonna protect its own buildings, the FBI is gonna protect its own buildings. If the local police aren't gonna protect it, and it's surrounded, then who, who does the protection then? And this is why Trump, he unleashes the National Guard, but where? To those federal buildings, to protect those federal buildings. That was the whole point of it. That's wh- and, and basically, anytime he's unleashed the National Guard that I've seen, it's to federal buildings to protect them. And so, uh, the mathematical formula works like this: the longer it is that protesters are engaging with federal officers, whose job is not to do basic street cleanup of thugs, that's the local PD's job, uh, the chances that there's an incident, which is gonna be a bad incident, is going to occur. So basically, the longer you're there, the, the more attrition there is, the more engagements you have with, with these federal officers over time, eventually-

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:56

        Yes

    26. AWAndrew Wilson45:56

        ... there's going to be something which is out of pocket that happens or something which is escalatory that happens, and they're banking on that.

    27. JRJoe Rogan46:03

        Yes.

    28. AWAndrew Wilson46:03

        And that's why ICE is out in front of these bui- or not ICE, the Antifa people are still out in front of the ICE buildings in front of many states night after night after night, and it's designed specifically to make sure... It's just ma- a math formula, right? The longer we're here, and the less the local PD involves itself, the more chance of incident between federal officers and us.

    29. JRJoe Rogan46:23

        You're knocking steel against flint.

    30. AWAndrew Wilson46:25

        Yep.
14. 1:09:51 – 1:15:29

    Immigration politics: deportation numbers, voting incentives, and the ‘power’ argument

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:09:51

       You know, one of the things that we went over the other day, um, is we talked about the deportations, right? And that there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of, uh, 2 million deportations, but 1.6 of them were, like, self-deportations. 1.6 of them were, like, people were notified, and they said, "Well, just get the fuck out of here. I don't wanna be in jail."

    2. AWAndrew Wilson1:10:12

       Yeah, good.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:10:12

       And then a half a million of them-

    4. AWAndrew Wilson1:10:14

       [chuckles]

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:10:14

       ... were- and then but people are saying very few of them would- have been violent criminals. But we found out there was, like, 8%. Th- this is just 8% of what we know has been caught.

    6. AWAndrew Wilson1:10:25

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:10:26

       That is a lot of violent criminals. If you've got a half a million people, and 8% of them are murderers and rapists, and they snuck in dur- not even snuck in, because they were allowed access to the United States over the last four years, somewhere to the tune of... Let's be, like, super charitable. Let's say it's only 10 million, 'cause I think it's a lot more, and they don't-

    8. AWAndrew Wilson1:10:46

       A lot more.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:10:46

       Yeah. They don't really know the number, 'cause it's really, the numbers that they're giving are based on interactions, right? But how many people snuck through, and they didn't have an interaction with them? It's a lot, man. It's a lot of people, and they did this shit on purpose. And they did this shit because they want more congressional seats, because the census doesn't count citizens. It doesn't count legal citizens. It just counts human beings. So the more citizens you have in an area, the more congressional seats you have. And then there's places like California that make it illegal to show your ID. You're not allowed... Not only are you not suppo- which you should have to show your fucking ID when you vote-

    10. AWAndrew Wilson1:11:23

        Yes

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:11:23

        ... right? So we know that you're legally voting. They made it so you can't show your ID, which is the on- the on- you could steel man this to the end of time. The only reason why you would do that is 'cause you wanna cheat.

    12. AWAndrew Wilson1:11:37

        Of course.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:11:37

        It's the only reason.

    14. AWAndrew Wilson1:11:38

        Of course. Well, it's not just that, but you make, you make a good, compelling point here. The idea, even if it was the case, let's just say almost none of them are violent criminals. Let's just give it to them, just kind of for the sake of argument here, we'll give it to them. So what? The people don't want them here. That's it. You're... These are supposed to be the biggest believers in democracy and republicanism ever. That's what they're fighting against, is the evil fascists. It's like, well, here, the people spoke, okay?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:12:06

        I'm gonna say-

    16. AWAndrew Wilson1:12:06

        And the, the people said, "We don't want illegal immigrants here. We want them out of here." It doesn't matter what the conditionals are for violent criminality or not violent criminality. The, the... If you're really a big believer in the Republic, like you claim, why is it that when Trump gets elected to do exactly this job, you impede it at every turn?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:12:26

        Yeah, they don't want it to happen-

    18. AWAndrew Wilson1:12:28

        They don't

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:12:28

        ... because it was a part of the strategy for u- a uniparty. I mean, this is... Elon came on and was, you know, w- was very passionate about wanting to explain this to people. I mean, it's, it's one of the reasons why he did it before the election. Like, you have to understand the plan that's in place, and what they're doing is they're trying to make it so that no one but the Democrats can ever win ever again.

    20. AWAndrew Wilson1:12:52

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:12:52

        And one of the best ways to do that is to ship untold numbers of people to swing states.

    22. AWAndrew Wilson1:12:58

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:12:58

        And then-

    24. AWAndrew Wilson1:12:58

        Which is what they're doing

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:12:59

        ... That's what they did.

    26. AWAndrew Wilson1:13:00

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:13:00

        They didn't just do it, they flew them out there, they gave them EBT cards, they put them on Social Security.

    28. AWAndrew Wilson1:13:05

        Yep.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:13:06

        We had this woman, we documented, uh, we, we talked about this woman who, uh, worked for... God, I forget which department, but her job was to turn these people from illegal immigrants into what h- she described, they described to her as clients. And so you would tell these people, "Are you-

    30. AWAndrew Wilson1:13:25

        Clients?
15. 1:15:29 – 1:26:07

    UK free speech crackdowns, influencer political capital, and violent rhetoric online

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:29

       It's, it's all pretty fucking crazy. It, it's really crazy. Gad Saad has a great, uh, way to describe this. He calls it suicidal empathy. And, you know, a lot of these people that are on the left, that are self-described leftists, they're very kind people, and they, they want, you know, everyone to have a chance to live in America and be good people, and they don't understand they're being used as pawns by much more cynical people that are just trying to get total control. And if you want to know what total control looks like and what kind of restrictions could be imposed on a Western society, look no further than the UK. Look what's going on in, in England right now. 12,000 people have been arrested so far last year for, uh, in the last year, rather, for social media posts, just social media posts criticizing immigration. Um, there was some new thing that they, uh, just passed that makes it so that you're supposed to tell on people who are talking in pubs, who are having conversations in pubs that you think are, are dangerous conversations.

    2. AWAndrew Wilson1:16:40

       There was that woman in the UK who was SA'd and then called the guy a name via text.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:16:46

       Yes. She called him a faggot.

    4. AWAndrew Wilson1:16:48

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:16:48

       Yeah.

    6. AWAndrew Wilson1:16:49

       She called... Yeah, she called him a faggot.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:16:50

       She was sex- she was sexually assaulted. She called him a faggot, and then she was arrested.

    8. AWAndrew Wilson1:16:54

       Yeah, she was arrested. I was- And I remember arguing on Piers Morgan, I was debating with a leftist on this. This was the topic at the time.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:17:01

       Yeah.

    10. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:01

        And the leftist, who looked to me like he, he was a faggot, too, [chuckles] said... Uh, he was defending it tooth and nail, right? "This is a good thing because we want to get rid of stigma." The idea is to try to destigmatize the thing. See, words create stigma, and stigma creates harm values, and harm values are evil. They're bad. That's, that's the whole moral system. If it- if we reduce harm, that's moral. If we increase harm, that's immoral. So that, it, that's the zero-sum way that they look at this, right?

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:17:30

        Yeah.

    12. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:30

        If you're increasing it, bad; if you're decreasing it, good. So if we're decreasing stigmatization of an activity that we think is protected, then that's reducing harm, therefore, that's the moral position.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:17:41

        Crazy.

    14. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:41

        They are crazy.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:17:42

        It's crazy!

    16. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:42

        That is actually a crazy way to look at the world.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:17:45

        Well, it's very dystopian.

    18. AWAndrew Wilson1:17:47

        [coughs]

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:17:48

        It's, it's very spooky that it, it's happening so quickly, and that the UK has become the, the leader in the world for arresting people for social media posts. No one would've ever saw that coming five, six years ago. But this is what happens when you get total control of a population. You don't- And you don't stop where you're at. You continue to move forward. You continue to try to get more and more control, and this is this new thing where they're trying to, um, uh, get people to turn people in for bar talk, which is just crazy. It's just crazy. So that's where it goes. If you're really, uh, a liberal, a real liberal, a real progressive person who really believes in free speech, you should believe in all speech, and you have to. I mean, this was the ADL's position way back in the day when they would allow the Ku Klux Klan to march. They would say, "Look-

    20. AWAndrew Wilson1:18:38

        And then fight for the right to do so.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:18:40

        Yeah.

    22. AWAndrew Wilson1:18:40

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:18:40

        Yes. I mean, this is what it used to be.

    24. AWAndrew Wilson1:18:42

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:18:42

        It used to be an understanding that as complicated as this thing is, you've got to allow people to say horrible things so that you can counter them with better points, and you make a better argument, and then people see your side, and then society moves forward in a generally positive direction.

    26. AWAndrew Wilson1:18:57

        You know, in the online dialectic-... the way that it moves between group. And I, and I think that now, uh, online influencers, podcasters, political commentators, actually do have political- they have some political capital now, which can be spent the same way low-level politicians have political capital, which can now be spent. They actually are connected oftentimes with politicians-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:19:17

        Right

    28. AWAndrew Wilson1:19:18

        ... and operate as mouthpieces, uh, on behalf of whatever that political arm is. Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:19:22

        Well, you would say that about the right, too, wouldn't you?

    30. AWAndrew Wilson1:19:24

        Of course.
16. 1:26:07 – 1:57:19

    Mental health gaps, psychology skepticism, and Christianity as community framework

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:26:07

       Also, SSRIs.

    2. AWAndrew Wilson1:26:09

       Yep.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:26:09

       And this is the other problem, is that, uh, how many of these people are on these psychiatric medications that... Violent ideation is a part of the side effects of these suicidal, or, uh, excuse me, these, uh, psychiatric drugs. There's a, a l- a lot of people that have, uh, psychotic thoughts when they get on some of these different SSRIs and, and different psychiatric medications. So you've got people that are already fucked up mentally, and then you've got them on these medications that cause them to do all kinds of crazy things.

    4. AWAndrew Wilson1:26:42

       And aren't women, aren't women taking much more in the way of SSRI, I, pills than men are?

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:26:48

       Yeah.

    6. AWAndrew Wilson1:26:48

       And who do we see as the- on the bullhorns and loudspeakers at most of these events? It's women.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:26:53

       Well, particularly liberal women.

    8. AWAndrew Wilson1:26:54

       Particularly liberal women-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:26:55

       Like, the statistics-

    10. AWAndrew Wilson1:26:55

        Yeah

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:26:55

        ... I'm sure you've se- seen the statistics, but I, I actually-

    12. AWAndrew Wilson1:26:58

        Very lopsided

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:26:59

        ... saved them 'cause they're kind of nutty. Uh, the- what's, what's interesting is the num- like, the least mentally ill, in terms of numbers, is conservative men. Conservative men, I think it's like-

    14. AWAndrew Wilson1:27:13

        'Cause they're normal? [chuckles]

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:27:15

        Yeah, I think... Uh, okay. Young liberal women, 56% report a mental health diagnosis. Young moderate women, uh, 18 to 29, 28%. Young conservative women, 27%, only slightly less. Um, so for men, it is, uh, 34% of all liberal men. 34%, so a third of all liberal men are mentally ill, 22% of moderate men, and 16% of conservative men.

    16. AWAndrew Wilson1:27:47

        Yeah, but do you know what the lunatics argue when you bring that up?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:27:50

        What?

    18. AWAndrew Wilson1:27:50

        The l- these lunatics, they'll argue, "No, no, no, the conservative men are just as mentally ill. It's just undiagnosed because there's a stigma in conservative communities about going to get your mental illness diagnosed." I always point out, and I think this is a, an interesting way to point this out, like, maybe they're not going to get diagnosed because they don't have a problem. [chuckles] Did you ever think of that?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:28:13

        It's possible. It's possible it's undiagnosed, 'cause I think that is accurate, though, that there is a stigma about mental health, and therapy, and things along those lines in conservative c- I mean-

    20. AWAndrew Wilson1:28:23

        I agree

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:28:23

        ... if you wanna, like-

    22. AWAndrew Wilson1:28:23

        I agree, but I also think that what happens is, um, when you're t- when you're talking especially about the voodoo that is psychology, and it is, it is voodoo-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:28:32

        It is voodoo.

    24. AWAndrew Wilson1:28:32

        I have very little respect for psychology.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:28:35

        Right.

    26. AWAndrew Wilson1:28:35

        I don't even consider it science. I consider that there's scientific methods used for data gathering, but I don't consider psychology a science at all.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:28:43

        And that's psychology. Psychiatry gets even weirder-

    28. AWAndrew Wilson1:28:46

        Yeah

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:28:46

        ... because then you start a- adding medication.

    30. AWAndrew Wilson1:28:48

        Yeah, and it's-
17. 1:57:19 – 2:13:05

    Cultural relativism, ‘noble savage’ myths, Aztec sacrifices, and colonization narratives

    1. AWAndrew Wilson1:57:19

       Who was the guy you brought up? Um, I'm trying to think of his name. It was like, uh, maybe Professor Raft, something like that. He brought up the Papua New Guinea thing. Do you remember the Papua New Guinea thing?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:57:32

       Yes, I do.

    3. AWAndrew Wilson1:57:33

       Yeah, so on the... that little island-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:57:35

       Mm-hmm

    5. AWAndrew Wilson1:57:35

       ... right, they have the Seminal people, and the Seminal people, basically, they molest young boys. That's what they do, right?

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:57:43

       Mm-hmm.

    7. AWAndrew Wilson1:57:43

       Uh, but apparently, the young boys there, they love it because it's a rite of manhood, right? And it's all socially-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:57:48

       Yeah

    9. AWAndrew Wilson1:57:48

       ... conditioned in. The thing is, with suicidal empathy, that's really funny here to point out to a leftist, from their paradigm, there's nothing wrong with that, actually.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:57:57

        Right.

    11. AWAndrew Wilson1:57:57

        Where's the harm, right? That's part of the suicidal empathy, of the part of the ideology of suicidal empathy. So like, for me, from my worldview, it's like, I don't care if you don't think there's harm in that. There is. We're stopping it. Emperor Andrew, pfft, done! That's, that's done. No more... That's not allowed. I don't care if it's relativistic or not, it's over, right?

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:58:20

        Yeah, I mean, it, it's crazy to try to defend that culture. That culture is so wild. The, the semen warriors-

    13. AWAndrew Wilson1:58:29

        Yes

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:58:30

        ... of Papua New Guinea.

    15. AWAndrew Wilson1:58:30

        Yeah, the semen warriors [chuckles] of Papua New Guinea.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:58:33

        For people who don't know... And let's, let's, instead of just talking about this, let's read this from, uh, an actual source so we can explain, because w- they call the, the, the, the children, when I think they're six, the boys have to live with a man that they refer to as the anal father. And this guy-

    17. AWAndrew Wilson1:58:54

        Mm-hmm

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:58:54

        ... and in order for them to grow strong, they have to consume semen-

    19. AWAndrew Wilson1:58:58

        Yes

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:58:59

        ... both orally and anally. And so they get mouth-fucked and ass-fucked by this guy, and then they continue that when they grow up.

    21. AWAndrew Wilson1:59:07

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:59:08

        And-

    23. AWAndrew Wilson1:59:08

        As part of their warrior culture. And what stopped it? You know, what's- what ended up finally stopping a lot of that?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:59:15

        It's not going on anymore?

    25. AWAndrew Wilson1:59:16

        It still is, but it... a lot of it was stopped, depending on the tribe you were in, because of Christian missionaries.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:59:22

        Interesting.

    27. AWAndrew Wilson1:59:23

        Because of Christian missionaries. But here's the thing that cracks me up, right, in this whole culturally relativistic nonsense, harm principle stuff. You're Christopher Columbus, and you show up, and if a culture is doing that, don't you put them to the sword?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:59:36

        Right.

    29. AWAndrew Wilson1:59:37

        Like, if you see the pyramids, and they're cutting people's hearts out, and, like, we're holding it up to this-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:59:41

        Uh-huh
18. 2:13:05 – 2:23:40

    Democrats’ past tough immigration rhetoric, power incentives, and Christian nationalism debate

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:13:05

       And by the way, Obama d- I, and I was mistaken on this. I thought that a lot of the people that Obama deported were people that were turned away at the border. Uh-uh. That was a third. Most of the people out of the, I think it was 3 million over the course of his presidency, [tsks] uh, that were deported, were fucking deported, like arrested, deported. A lot of people were killed. Let's put on the headphones so we can listen to this speech, 'cause this, this sounds very MAGA. Listen to this.

    2. SPSpeaker2:13:35

       There are those [coughs] in the immigrants' rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are illegally with legal status, or-... at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. And often this argument is framed in moral terms: Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living? I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument, but I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those think- thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision, and this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally. Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:15:08

       [laughs] That sounds so Republican! In 2010, that was a Democrat saying that, and everybody was like, "Well, okay."

    4. AWAndrew Wilson2:15:17

       That's reasonable-

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:15:18

       Yeah

    6. AWAndrew Wilson2:15:18

       ... and rational.

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:15:18

       And not that, Tom Homan, who is the head now-

    8. AWAndrew Wilson2:15:22

       I know, was the- yeah

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:15:22

       ... was the guy then, and he gave him a fucking medal. Find the clip of Hillary when she's running in 2012, where Hillary is more MAGA than Trump. The way she frames things is so hardcore right-wing, she sounds to the right of Marjorie Taylor Greene. If you've never seen this... Have you seen this one?

    10. AWAndrew Wilson2:15:44

        I think so, but I'm gonna look again.

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:15:46

        It's wonderful. It's wonderful, 'cause it just shows you how much horse shit- By the way, how good was he? He was such a good spokesperson. Like, the way he talked was so... It was so measured and s- so noble in the way he phrased his, uh, his sentences. Like, it was really- it's really interesting how much perception plays a factor in what you think of as, like, someone being a good president, because everybody on the left thinks of him as being, like, the most amazing president ever.

    12. AWAndrew Wilson2:16:12

        Oh, yeah.

    13. SPSpeaker2:16:13

        I feel like there was an op-ed.

    14. JRJoe Rogan2:16:13

        No, this isn't the one.

    15. AWAndrew Wilson2:16:14

        And he wasn't.

    16. SPSpeaker2:16:15

        Yeah, I know. It keeps coming up, though, when I'm looking for it.

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:16:16

        But this isn't the one. The one is she's giving a speech.

    18. SPSpeaker2:16:20

        That's what I thought I was looking for, but I didn't even type in what I was looking for. I just typed in 2012, and that's the thing that keeps coming up.

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:16:25

        Maybe it's not 2012. It might have been 2008. Don't, don't... D- do, uh, Hillary is more MAGA than, than Trump. See if you can find it. Uh, it's... I know it's on YouTube, but it's this amazing campaign speech, where-

    20. SPSpeaker2:16:42

        I got it.

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:16:42

        You got it?

    22. SPSpeaker2:16:42

        Uh, this is 2008.

    23. JRJoe Rogan2:16:45

        Is it 2008? Yeah, that's it. That's it. Here it is. Listen to this. [laughs] I love this one.

    24. SPSpeaker2:16:52

        So I think we gotta have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they've committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked. They're gone. [clapping] If they-

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:17:02

        Cheers. Cheers from the Democrats.

    26. SPSpeaker2:17:04

        If they've been working and are law-abiding, we should say, "Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes, and you have to try to learn English-

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:17:16

        [laughs]

    28. SPSpeaker2:17:17

        ... and you have to wait in line." [cheering]

    29. JRJoe Rogan2:17:19

        You're gonna learn English! Everybody's cheering. [laughs]

    30. AWAndrew Wilson2:17:21

        Yeah, they love it. They love it.
19. 2:23:40 – 2:26:13

    Debate life, disingenuous opponents, and Andrew’s approach to audience responsibility

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:23:40

       Do you, uh... You know, one of the things that I, I, you, you engage in so many fucking debates, man. I've, I've watched- I've consumed a lot of your content online, and I always wonder, like, what... Does that wear on you after a while?

    2. AWAndrew Wilson2:23:52

       Constantly. Oh, yeah, all the time. All the time. Well, the thing is, is it... [sighs] So I, I argue from a worldview. My worldview is Christian ethics, and this is the foundation from which all other arguments are starting and ending. Now, I, I'm happy to meet people in the middle. A lot of people want to argue in the middle, right? We're gonna get past all the foundational stuff, and we're gonna go to the menu, or the middle of the argument and start there. And I'm kind of happy to do that, to kind of move the, move everything backwards or forwards, so we can either get to the end, or we can get to the beginning and get this figured out. Yes, what wears on me the most about it is, there's a lot of people who I debate with who I know don't believe what they're saying.

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:24:34

       Mm.

    4. AWAndrew Wilson2:24:35

       I know. I know for sure, and I... There's moments where I catch myself, where I recognize it, right then, that moment in the debate, and then I'll hammer them. But it happens all the time, where I'm like, "You don't believe that shit." There's no way, and then they'll come back with a, you know, with a re- "I do!" And, and, and you can just tell it's disingenuous.

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:24:54

       Yeah.

    6. AWAndrew Wilson2:24:55

       Right? I can't logically show it. I- there's no way for me to logically show necessarily your mo- your motivation, maybe in extreme contexts. But yeah, man, there's people who are pretty disingenuous about their view, and there's times where it comes out, and the whole audience can see it, and you can see it, and you're just like: Just why? Just why are you d- like, you don't even believe this shit yourself, and you're, you're propagating it on other people, and you know people will follow it. You know, there's some cash there. You know, there's a... But you're doing it anyway. You're doing it anyway. Like, I've always thought in my head, you take a guy like Destiny, right? The Coomer Gremlin, as I like to call him, okay?

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:25:32

       [chuckles] What do you call him, the what?

    8. AWAndrew Wilson2:25:32

       The Coomer Gremlin.

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:25:33

       What's that mean?

    10. AWAndrew Wilson2:25:34

        Well, like, coomer. Like, he just... All he does is, he, he basically-

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:25:37

        What's that word, coomer?

    12. AWAndrew Wilson2:25:37

        ... He's, like, a sexual degenerate, right?

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:25:40

        Is that what a coomer is?

    14. AWAndrew Wilson2:25:41

        Yeah. Well, a coomer, it's, uh, it's a little more mild than that. A coomer is just like, um, kind of, one of the higher values is just kind of having sex with everyone, [chuckles] right, that's around. Like, that's what you do, you coom.

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:25:50

        But he's, like, bisexual, right?

    16. AWAndrew Wilson2:25:52

        Yeah, yeah. He did... Yeah, well, he's all kinds of sexual, apparently. But the thing is, is like, um-... I've often thought that there's times when I'm talking to the guy where I'm like, "I- y- you don't believe that. Like, you just- there's no fucking way you believe that shit. You're making it up, and I know you're making it up," right? And you'll catch him at times, he'll be like, "Whatever I gotta say to win the argument."

Episode duration: 2:40:50