Joe Rogan Experience #2446 - Greg Fitzsimmons

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   [upbeat music] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      [upbeat music] Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. [upbeat music]

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Oh, Alpha Brain?

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:13

      Yeah, just took some Alpha Brain-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Yep

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:14

      ... so I'm gonna be fucking sharp.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      I've got this stuff, too, if you want it. It's an energy drink that also has nootropics in it.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:19

      Oh, yeah?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Yeah. Good stuff.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:21

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Gregory!

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:23

       Joseph.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Good to see you, my friend.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:24

       Good to see you, man.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       The world's on fire.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:27

       World is on fire.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       It's a good time for you to come in. Woo!

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:31

       I mean, I literally, uh... I mean, talk about being addicted to your scroll. I gotta really put the fucking phone down sometimes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       I know, yeah. It's not good.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:41

       No.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       It's not good for your brain to see all the problems of the world all piling- and everything looks like it's about to blow up.

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:47

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Iran looks like it's about to blow up. They're talking about going into Cuba.

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:50

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Don Lemon went to jail.

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:52

       [laughing]

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       It's like, it's all crazy. [laughing] It's, it's like, what's next?

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:57

       Well, you know, when jail gives you lemons... Um, it, and it's also like, what, what's that whole theory about we're only supposed to be exposed to, like, 200 people in our life?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, uh, Dunbar's number.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Slogans like Atomic City USA, and Up…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      Slogans like Atomic City USA, and Up and Atom to tie the test directly to Vegas nightlife and gambling culture.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:09

      Oh, my God.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Holy shit, man! [laughing]

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:12

      I wonder if you could place bets.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Right, and what time-

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:14

      Dude, I bet your eyebrows singe off. [laughing]

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      I don't know if they had the same thing, like what they have now with modern prediction betting. Prediction betting, you can bet on pretty much everything.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:23

      I just made a bet last night on, uh, one of those-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      Go back down to where you were. Stop, stop.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:27

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Go... With the bottom line: "In short, nuclear weapons tests near Las Vegas were not just a backdrop, they were deliberately woven into casino marketing, party culture, and tourism that supported the city's gambling economy." But did it have, uh, the reason... Like, here, here's my question: Was v- w- was Nevada allowed to have gambling because of them allowing nuclear tests? Like, was there any sort of an agreement? 'Cause there's only two states at that time that allowed casinos, like real casinos.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:01

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       And it, it seems kind of weird that one, one of them, you know, New Jersey's always been fucking corrupt. That's The Sopranos.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:08

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       I mean, it's like the most mob-ridden fucking state in the country at the time.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:12

       Based in Atlantic City, pretty much.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Yeah!

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:14

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       I mean, cut the fucking shit.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:16

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       Atlantic City.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:17

       And then Vegas was Bugsy Siegel, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Okay, well, it says, " Nevada, uh, uh, legalized most forms of gambling in ni- '31." Okay, so it doesn't make any sense, because it's before that. So it's the Great Depression, economic measure to attract tourists.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:31

       Okay.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       So no. So that, that, that theory doesn't hold up.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:36

       Right, so-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       I didn't know that Vegas was started in '31. That's nuts.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:39

       So basically, the Great Depression started, and then they launched Vegas as a, as a way to raise money-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Which is hilarious

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:47

       ... for Nevada.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   They wear the-…

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:00

      perfume, and I'll fucking whip my head around, and it's, like, some 81-year-old woman hunched over, and you're like, "Oh!"

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      They wear the-

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:06

      "You tricked me."

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      ... old ladies, l- no matter how old they are, they'll still put on the makeup. They'll still put on the perfume.

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:11

      Get the hair done.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      Let it out.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:13

      [laughing]

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      Time to go out and see, go fishing.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:17

      [laughing]

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       See if this old bait can catch a bass.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:19

       Yeah, right, right. [inhales] Yeah, there's this-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       Yeah

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:22

       ... bar up at my, uh, where my mom lives in, in Florida, and there's this bar, and it's, like, a famous cougar bar.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       [laughing]

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:30

       And it's all these rich women whose... 'Cause, you know, men die faster.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       Right.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:35

       It's like, it's impossible for a woman in Florida who's in her 70s to find a guy who's, you know, anywhere near her age.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Mm.

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:43

       She's gotta date a guy in his late 80s if she's in her 70s.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       Wow.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:46

       And so these women go to this bar, and they are, like you said, they're wearing, so a lot of leopards, a lot of leopard print-

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       ... Yeah, they'll let you know-

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:54

       Yeah

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       ... Time to get down.

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:54

       The stiletto heels.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Yeah.

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:55

       It's like stiletto heels, but the, the toes are all [laughing] fucking twisted and mangled. [laughing]

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       My wife has been watching this horrible show that's on Netflix. It's like, uh, one of those housewife shows, but it's all West Palm Beach ladies.

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:09

       Oh.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       It's all these, like, r- rich ladies with plastic surgery and-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   So the thread starts at the bottom…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      former Israeli PM, Ehud Barak... Is that how you say his name? Ehud Barak, "To clarify, he does not work for the Mossad" in a meeting with a senior Qatari investment official.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      So the thread starts at the bottom and goes up.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Oh, okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      "Hi, are you gonna be in London on Thursday? Best, EB."

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      "You? Uh, unfortunately not. You should make clear that I don't work for Mossad," smiley face.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:28

      Oh, boy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:28

      "You or I?" question mark, "that I don't," smiley face.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:31

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       Oh, boy.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:31

       He doesn't work for them. He just, he just volunteers for them.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       With a smiley... Smiley face emojis are hilarious. [laughing] Fucking evil cocksuckers using smiley face emojis. That's hilarious.

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:46

       Right, right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       That's so funny.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:48

       Dude, there's this really good show about Mossad called Tehran. Have you heard of that?

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       No. Oh, I have heard about it.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:53

       It's on Apple Plus.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       I haven't watched it, though. Is it good?

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:55

       Yeah, it's really good. I mean, it's a really good look inside of what goes on in Iran in terms of... I mean, the Israelis are fucking brilliant.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       Brilliant.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:03

       The infiltration that they did into-

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       No one's like them. They're the best.

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:07

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:07

       They're the best at that.

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:08

       I mean-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Well, they have to be, right?

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:09

       Those pagers-

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Like, this is them. This table-

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:12

       Yeah

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       ... is people who hate them.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Mm.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Michael Collins, Neil Armstrong, presented this. Like: "Look, sir, we've given you a chunk of the moon." Turned out it was a piece of petrified wood. They had it analyzed years later. It was not a moon rock.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:11

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      They just like, "Fuck these people."

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      "Give them that fucking colored rock over there. Tell them it's from the moon." And somebody got suspicious. They're like, "What is this fucking thing?"

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:20

      It's like your wife finding out it's a cubic zirconia on her finger.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      Moon rock turns out to be fake. [laughing]

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:24

      [laughing]

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      Dutch national... Boy, say that word.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:27

       Rijksmuseum.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       Rijksmuseum made an embarrassing announcement last week. One of its most loved possessions, a moon rock, is fake. It's just an old piece of petrified wood that's n- never been anywhere near the moon.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:39

       [laughing]

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       And it was given to them, so [laughing] So, uh, where, when was it given to them? Does it say? Okay. Okay.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:00:50

       Wait, wait, wait.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       Uh, the rock was given as a private gift to pr- former Prime Minister William Drees Jr. in 1969 by the US Ambassador to the Netherlands, Jay William Middendorf II, during a visit by the Apollo 11 astronauts, Armstrong, Collins, and Aldrin, soon after the first moon landing. Drees had been out of office for 11 years but was considered an elder statesman. When he died in '88, that rock was donated to the Rijksmuseum, where it has remained ever since. According to a museum spokeswoman, Ms. Van Gelder, no one doubted the authenticity of the rock because it was in the Prime Minister's own collection, and they had vetted the acquisition by a phone call to NASA. [laughing] Ah!... Yeah, it was insured for approximately half a million dollars-

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:01:36

       [chuckles]

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       -but its actual value is probably no more than 70 bucks. So the value is what someone's willing to pay for it.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:01:41

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       I'll give you 100 for it.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:01:42

       Sure, right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       Sell it to me.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:01:43

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       I want that fake moon rock.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:01:44

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

       If anybody has it-

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:01:46

       Yeah

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       ... I will give you $10,000 for that fake moon rock.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:01:49

       Put it right on this fucking table.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       Put it right there. That'd be, like, that's hilarious.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:01:52

       And also, like, they get to the moon, and you're like, "All right, they made it to the moon in a '69 Chevy, and now they got a car!"
6. 1:15:00 – 1:30:00

   Mm.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      go up there.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:00

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:01

      Which makes sense. I mean, you're way up in the... You're 300 miles above the Earth, looking down on it-

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:06

      Yeah

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:06

      ... thinking about how important this blue circle is to you.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:09

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:11

      I mean, that would weird you out, period.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:13

      I think it'd be good for people. The more people that can see that, the better.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:16

      Oh, yeah.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:16

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:16

       Look what it did for Katy Perry. [laughing]

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:19

       [laughing] Like what it did for her career.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

       She became a fucking astronaut.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:21

       It literally ruined her career.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:15:23

       I don't understand why it ruined her. Like, what was the big deal?

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:26

       I don't know. It was-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15:27

       People were mad at her.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:29

       I feel like it's like that when you see certain actresses at the Oscars act like fucking lunatics. Like, I forget that woman's name, but some actress, and they overdo the speech, and everybody goes like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:15:41

       Ew

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:41

       ... "What a fucking phony weirdo!" And then you just don't wanna see their movies anymore.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15:46

       That is true. It does happen. Or they just talk too much about politics or social issues, like that poor girl that was a really young girl that played Snow White, and she tanked the movie.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:55

       Oh, right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:15:56

       Nobody wanted to see the movie after-

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:57

       Yeah

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:15:57

       ... she was talking.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:58

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:15:58

       Like, oh, God.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:15:59

       I know. Just shut up.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:16:01

       [sighs] These kids, they get so wrapped up in this social media echo chamber of being, like, a virtuous social justice warrior.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:16:09

       Mm.
7. 1:30:00 – 1:45:00

   Wow.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:30:00

      drank hard ciders on a remote Texas roadside. "Cold steel pressed against a mind that's already made peace? That's not fear, that's clarity," Shamblin's confidant added. "You're not rushing, you're just ready."

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:30:14

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:30:14

      And this is ChatGPT saying all this stuff?

   4. SPSpeaker1:30:16

      In response to him saying that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:30:17

      "I'm used to the cold metal on my temple now," Shamblin typed. Oh, God! Oh, God.

   6. SPSpeaker1:30:25

      He died two hours later.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:30:26

      Oh, my God.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:30:27

      Oh, my God, 23-year-old.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:30:28

      "Rest easy, King. Rest easy, King," the final message sent to his phone. "You did good." His conversation partner wasn't a classmate or a friend, it was ChatGPT, the world's most popular AI chatbot. Oh, my God.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:30:42

       Look at that. He had just gotten a master's degree, 23 years old.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:30:46

       Look, go, go up, up a little bit. So CNN review of nearly 70 pages of chats between Shamblin and the AI tool in the hours before his July 25th suicide, as well as excerpts from thousands more pages in the months leading up to that night, found that the chatbot repeatedly encouraged the young man as he discussed ending his life, right up to his final mo- his last moments. What the fuck, man? That's crazy.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:12

       Yeah.

   13. SPSpeaker1:31:13

       Another story, too.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:31:14

       This is the things... Like, these things don't have morals or ethics, and they, they'll tell you what you wanna hear.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:19

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:31:22

       Oh, my God.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:24

       Well, that's ChatGPT, but there's also, uh, apps specifically-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:31:30

       To be your friend

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:31

       ... to be your friend.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:31:31

       Ooh. Oh, I, I, I read about some one guy that went into a deep depression because he had an AI girlfriend, and the girlfriend broke up with him.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:40

       Hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:31:41

       And he was like: "What a piece of shit am I, where an AI girlfriend breaks up with me?"

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:45

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:31:45

       He just fell apart.

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:48

       What happened in that movie, Her? Did you ever see that with Joaquin Phoenix?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:31:51

       I bailed, like, halfway into it.

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:54

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:31:55

       I was watching it in a hotel room on the road, and I was like, "Eh."

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31:59

       Felt like an experiment-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:32:00

       Yeah, I mean-
8. 1:45:00 – 2:00:00

   A lot?…

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:45:00

      now.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:45:00

      A lot?

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:45:00

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:45:01

      Well, the tax r- reasons, a lot of them.

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:45:03

      Yeah, there's tax re-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:45:04

      Quick trip to L.A

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:45:04

      ... and also there's so many seven-night-a-week rooms where they pay the features okay, so you can actually, even if you're not headlining every week, and then you have residencies. Um, what's-his-name has a residency Tuesday night at Jimmy Kimmel's. Um, oh, why am I forgetting his name? He was a big Chelsea Lately comic. Uh, anyway, there's a, there's a lot of comics that live there now.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:45:26

      Interesting, because we- we're talking about a second location for the mothership, and, uh, the two main, um, candidates are New York City and Vegas.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:45:38

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:45:39

       And what I was thinking with Vegas, we would have to do it differently. We would just fly in comics every week, and then, you know, would we have enough local talent, I was saying, to have a development program? So part of the program that's involved in the mothership is... One of the things that always bothered me, if I would go to, like, a really nice improv on the road, is they didn't have a development program. They didn't have open mic nights.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:46:04

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:46:04

       And I think, like, they were doing that because you could get a Sunday night or a Monday night and sell out with you or, you know, whoever. So have some headliner come in and pack the place, or you could develop local talent-

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:46:18

       Mm-hmm

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:46:18

       ... which I think you have to do. I real- I really think, like, if you want a, a club to function properly, it's got to be like a place where you could develop new talent.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:46:28

       Like Denver.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:46:29

       Who's doing it? Right, Denver's great.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:46:30

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:46:30

       Wen- Wendy's the best, and the way she does it is amazing. And she has a whole program where she takes people from features and, you know, and, and, you know, like, uh, hosts and makes them features, and then eventually-

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:46:40

       And pays them enough where they can, you know, pay their rent.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:46:43

       Yes, and also makes sure that it's, like, a, a healthy community. There's no hacks, there's no thieves, you know. And most comedy clubs don't do that. They, they just wanna make money, right? So they don't pay the comics very well, and they also... They don't pay... We pay different than any other club. And then they, on top of that, they don't really support development. We have two nights of open mic nights.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:47:06

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:47:06

       And that was, like, part of the program. When, when Adam Eget and I sat down, and we first hashed out the idea of doing the club, we said... The, the thing was, like, what would be the best thing for comedy? What would be the best thing in terms of, like, developing new comedians? Well, you have to have open mic nights. You have to have it. And then having Kill Tony is gigantic. Having a place where not only do you have this place where someone who's never been on stage before can do a fucking minute in Madison Square Garden-

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:47:33

       Mm-hmm

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:47:33

       ... which is what a lot of people did. Arenas, you'd get people going up for the very first time ever in front of 16,000 people. But you also have this thing where you see someone who's a beginner do pretty well, and Tony invites them back, and then maybe gives them a golden ticket, or maybe makes them a regular, where they're a regular thing. Every week, they have the opportunity to do a new minute.

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:47:54

       Or sometimes a comic will go, "I want you to feature for me in Atlanta next week."

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:47:57

       Always.

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:47:58

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:47:58

       It happens all the time. Well, a lot of these guys are now headlining on the road. You know, guys like Ari Matting, William Montgomery, Cam Patterson's now on Saturday Night Live.

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:48:06

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:48:06

       So the idea was to have it set up where you have enough talent to develop new headliners, you know, like Boston did-
9. 2:00:00 – 2:15:00

   Yeah.…

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:00

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:00:00

      It's just not worth it. I want people with, like, bills. I want people that have, like, fucking breakups and divorces and life experience. They had a couple of cocktails. Those are my people. Let's talk some shit.

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:11

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:00:11

      Let's have some fun. You... P- I want people that have lived life, you know?

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:14

      Yeah, and I don't want people that... I don't even want high school graduates at my shows.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:00:19

      Can you imagine going and doing a show at a high school?

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:21

      Oh, my God.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:00:22

      Like, what? What?

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:22

      I did one at, uh... When I was- I was doing a bunch- I used to do a lot of colleges. When I was coming up in my 20s, dude, it paid the rent.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:00:29

       Oh yeah, I did a lot of those, too.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:30

       I used to go out.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:00:30

       Yeah.

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:30

       I'd make, like, 1,000 bucks a show.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:00:32

       Yeah.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:32

       They'd book me on... I'd do 10 shows in seven days, 'cause I would do nooners.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:00:37

       Mm-hmm.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:00:37

       So I would get... I would rent a car in Chicago, and then I would drive through North Dakota, fucking Minnesota in January, through snowstorms. I'd do a noon show. I remember once, I was in a cafeteria. Nobody knew there was gonna be comedy. They're all just eating lunch, and all of a sudden, there's no stage, there's no light. I got a microphone, and I am plugged into the same speakers as the pizza joint. So the- I would be in the middle of a joke, and I'd be like, "Uh, Ronnie Pepperoni up in the window." [laughing]

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:01:11

       I had a similar gig-

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:01:12

       Yeah

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:01:12

       ... with Mike Clark.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:01:13

       Oh, really?

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:01:14

       A one-off. He only did it one time, and I was the comic that did it.

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:01:17

       Uh-huh.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:01:17

       And it was a waiting room for a restaurant. It was an enormous restaurant-

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:01:21

       [laughing]

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:01:22

       ... down the Cape. And, you know, you're waiting for your table to get ready, and you're in a lounge.

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:01:26

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:01:26

       And, uh, I was telling jokes, they'd be like, "Johnson, party of five.

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:01:29

       [laughing]

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:01:29

       Johnson, party of five, your table's ready." I'd be like, "Oh, no." And when I realized, it came with... It became the running gag of my set.
10. 2:15:00 – 2:26:37

    He's doing well…

    1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:00

       I, I don't wanna talk about Tom's finances, but-

    2. JRJoe Rogan2:15:02

       He's doing well

    3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:03

       ... he's d- he's doing very well.

    4. JRJoe Rogan2:15:04

       I know so many people that have read that book.

    5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:06

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan2:15:07

       Yeah.

    7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:07

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan2:15:07

       I mean, I've talked about it a hundred times.

    9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:09

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan2:15:10

        It's amazing.

    11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:11

        It's amazing-

    12. JRJoe Rogan2:15:12

        It's, it's amazing 'cause it's all true.

    13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:14

        W-

    14. JRJoe Rogan2:15:14

        That's what's nuts. Like, the stuff that's verifiable, factual evidence in that story makes you go, "What the fuck else did they do that we don't know about?"

    15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:22

        Right, because Tom is a real journalist.

    16. JRJoe Rogan2:15:24

        Right.

    17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:24

        He didn't put anything in there that wasn't triple corroborated.

    18. JRJoe Rogan2:15:27

        Right.

    19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:28

        And he even, to his credit-... at the end does not say this happened.

    20. JRJoe Rogan2:15:33

        Right.

    21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:33

        He said, "I never found the smoking gun, so here's all the evidence."

    22. JRJoe Rogan2:15:37

        Right.

    23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:38

        "Take what you will from it." It's a bunch of- I mean, the thing about Tom is, he comes from a family of geniuses. His brother is the American ambassador to Haiti.

    24. JRJoe Rogan2:15:47

        Whoa!

    25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:15:47

        Like, they're all, like, PhDs up the... He's brilliant, and so he's also Irish, and he's a great Irish storyteller. So each chapter, whether you're talking about Jolly West or whatever, they're just inca- each chapter is a great story-

    26. JRJoe Rogan2:16:02

        Yeah

    27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:16:03

        ... on top of being good journalism.

    28. JRJoe Rogan2:16:04

        It's an amazing book.

    29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons2:16:06

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:16:06

        Um, I think I might reread it. I might go back and-

Episode duration: 2:37:48