Joe Rogan Experience #2448 - Andrew Doyle

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4. ADAndrew Doyle0:13

   Hello.

5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

   Good to see you, brother.

6. ADAndrew Doyle0:15

   Good to see you, too.

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   Um, it has been, you said, six years almost to the day-

8. ADAndrew Doyle0:19

   Almost to the day

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   ... last time. So-

10. ADAndrew Doyle0:20

    Lots changed. [chuckles]

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    Right before everything went crazy.

12. ADAndrew Doyle0:23

    That's it.

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    Right before.

14. ADAndrew Doyle0:25

    Yeah, the whole world sort of shifted after that.

15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

    'Cause everything went kooky around March, right?

16. ADAndrew Doyle0:28

    Yeah, so it was February 2020, and then, then we have COVID, and then we have... You know, we've had Trump in between of that. We had BLM. That summer of 2020, everything just exploded and went a bit mad.

17. JRJoe Rogan0:37

    Yeah.

18. ADAndrew Doyle0:37

    And, um, yeah, and then everything shifted, so-

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    And then you wrote a book.

20. ADAndrew Doyle0:41

    I wrote a book.

21. JRJoe Rogan0:42

    It's called The End of Woke: How the Culture War Went Too Far and What to Expect from the Counter-Revolution. Isn't that how it always goes, though? It goes like, we go too far-

22. ADAndrew Doyle0:52

    Yeah

23. JRJoe Rogan0:52

    ... and then we overcorrect, and we become Nazis.

24. ADAndrew Doyle0:55

    Yeah.

25. JRJoe Rogan0:55

    Or [laughing] --

26. ADAndrew Doyle0:56

    That's it, exactly. [laughing] Well, you know-

27. JRJoe Rogan0:58

    Or it's, or it's the opposite: we go socialist.

28. ADAndrew Doyle1:01

    Yeah.

29. JRJoe Rogan1:01

    You know, it's-

30. ADAndrew Doyle1:01

    It's a big pendulum. I get that. It sort of goes back and forth. I mean, I was trying to s- in that book, I was-- I'm trying to make the point that what woke was, was like a kind of the latest manifestation of an, a kind of innate authoritarian impulse. I think human beings are, by default, quite, uh, inclined towards just shutting people up if they don't like them.

Episode duration: 2:39:41