Joe Rogan Experience #2451 - Cheryl Hines

Cheryl Hines is an Emmy Award-nominated actress, director, producer, and comedian. While she is best known for her role as Cheryl David on the HBO series “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” Hines has appeared in numerous films and television series over a career spanning more than 30 years, and is married to U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Her book, “Unscripted,” is available now. https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781944824365/unscripted/ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan

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0:02 – 0:49
Cheryl Hines returns: the chaos of RFK Jr. running for president
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
2. SPSpeaker
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. [upbeat music] Cheryl.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Joe.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  So good to see you.
6. CHCheryl Hines
  It's really good to see you.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  What's happening?
8. CHCheryl Hines
  Everything.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Are you good? You all right?
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah, I am.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Everything good?
12. CHCheryl Hines
  I'm good now.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah? Woo!
14. CHCheryl Hines
  Woo! It's been a, it's been a few years-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  I thought about you-
16. CHCheryl Hines
  ... chaos -
17. JRJoe Rogan
  -the moment Bobby said he was gonna run for president.
18. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing]
19. JRJoe Rogan
  You were the first thing I thought of.
20. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing] Thank you.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause I'm a huge fan of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
22. CHCheryl Hines
  Thank you.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  I thought you were amazing-
24. CHCheryl Hines
  Oh, thanks
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... on that show.
26. CHCheryl Hines
  Thank you.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  It's such a good show.
28. CHCheryl Hines
  Thank you.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's maybe one of the greatest comedy shows of all time.
30. CHCheryl Hines
  Thank you.
0:49 – 1:51
Tribal rejection, political “cults,” and why smart people comply
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Trump is the only person I've ever met that somehow or another survives it and seems exactly the same. But most people who are attacked like that, it's just like, it is a natural human instinct when you are rejected by your tribe to feel terrified, uh, and filled with anxiety. But that's why people do it.
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's what encourages groupthink.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Because you're terrified, and you wind up agreeing to things that are fucking insane-
6. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... because you don't even know what you're agreeing to. You just don't wanna be rejected by your tribe.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And this is how they keep people involved in these, where ideologies eventually become cults.
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Yes.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And I think you could make a really good argument at both the right and the left, that at a, in a certain, s- certain section of each one of these political parties, it's a cult.
12. CHCheryl Hines
  Yes, because they're... You know, m- most of us are sort of in the center.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
14. CHCheryl Hines
  Right? And then you have the 10% on this side, the 10% on this side, that are, uh, so extreme-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
16. CHCheryl Hines
  ... and loud, and they keep everybody fired up, and it-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes
18. CHCheryl Hines
  ... it is cult-like.
1:51 – 4:24
When politics breaks friendships: Bill Maher, Jimmy Kimmel, and lost civility
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. Yeah, and it's, it's weird. It's weird to watch intelligent people get captured in it. I was just watching this, uh, video with Bill Maher, and Bill Maher had Adam Carolla on, and Bill Maher was talking about how Jimmy Kimmel won't talk to him anymore. Like, they have this, like, spat because of politics. Bill Maher is very much a left-wing person.
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  He has been his whole life.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  He has not changed his opinions at all.
6. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  But he's always been very reasonable and willing to criticize the left as well as the right.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  Yes. Yes.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And I th- I don't know if it was because he had dinner with Trump, and he met with him-
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Probably
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... which is just crazy.
12. CHCheryl Hines
  I know.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You're not supposed to talk to people that are the President of the United States.
14. CHCheryl Hines
  It is crazy. I know, I, I was just talking to Bill Maher, and we were talking about this.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, okay.
16. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah, because he was like... He said exactly what you said.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It's crazy.
18. CHCheryl Hines
  "I sat down and had dinner with the president, and people went insane." Yeah, and so people... Listen, I know that feeling, 'cause even when Bobby started running for president, even when he started running as a Democrat-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
20. CHCheryl Hines
  ... people were angry.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, they're just-
22. CHCheryl Hines
  D- Democrats were angry.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  They're just mean.
24. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing]
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, when it comes to politics, people just get so mean. It's like, these are not the type of people you ever want in any position of power.
26. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing]
27. JRJoe Rogan
  People, the least charitable, most vicious people, the moment you are running against them in a political party, they will pull out all the stops-
28. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... take things out of context, lie about you.
30. CHCheryl Hines
  Yes. Even if they're, i- i- even if you're in their party-
4:24 – 7:51
Debates as theater: insults, catchphrases, and ‘this isn’t productive’
1. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, a good indication how they come after themselves, each other, rather, is during the debate with Kamala and Biden, when Kamala was accusing Biden of, at the very least, sexual assault, right? Like, this-
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah, the sort of creepy-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It seemed like she was accusing him of sexual assault. And then, when they confronted her on it, she's like, "It was a debate."
6. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing] Well-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  That's literally what she said.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  That is the w- s- really a strange thing about politics that I'm, I'm still getting used to, is they will viciously attack each other, and then a minute later in the hallway, it's like, "Hey, how's it going?" [laughing]
9. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughing]
10. CHCheryl Hines
  And I'm, I'm still in shock, you know? I'm still, um, angry about what just happened in there, and they're, uh, they're already over it, and they're already like, "Yeah, that's politics. That's h- what we do."
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you ever see the debates with Mitt Romney and Barack Obama?
12. CHCheryl Hines
  I'm sure I did, but I don't nothing-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Jamie, see if you can pull some of that up. God, why can't we go back to that? Like, they-
14. CHCheryl Hines
  Oh, were they, like, civilized?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, completely.
16. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  For Mitt Romney, uh, R- Mitt Romney's like, he's Mormon-
18. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like, super religious guy, never swears, probably doesn't do anything, right?
20. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  So he's, like, super polite.
22. CHCheryl Hines
  Yes.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  And then Barack Obama, because, you know, m- he, they're matching each other's energy.
24. CHCheryl Hines
  Yes.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  He was very polite, too.
26. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  They disagreed-
28. CHCheryl Hines
  Right
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... on many things, but they were talking about what they wanted to do.
30. CHCheryl Hines
  Right.
7:51 – 8:29
Media power and narrative warfare: Hunter S. Thompson to the pandemic
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... all the news stories about you. They controlled everything. There's a great story with, uh, Hunter S. Thompson, and Ed Muskie's running for president, and Hunter S. Thompson makes this crazy rumor about how he's addicted to ibogaine-
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and he has a Brazilian witch doctor comes in and treats him.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And this guy literally cracks on the campaign trail because Hunter S. Thompson said this, made up this crazy story about him. And this guy, you see him having nervous breakdowns on the campaign trail. Like, his-
6. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... subsequent speeches are all, like, nuts, and he falls off.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah. Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  But he was, like, a front runner at one point in time, or at least he was very competitive, and it just pfft!
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah. [laughing]
11. JRJoe Rogan
  [chuckles] 'Cause just, they killed him.
12. CHCheryl Hines
  Well, it's the power of words.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
8:29 – 14:06
RFK Jr. on JRE as a ‘game changer’: Fauci book, footnotes, and credibility
1. CHCheryl Hines
  Which, um, by the way, uh, you know, when Bobby decided to run, and he ca- and I talk about this in my book, Unscripted. Uh, but when he came on your podcast, was a game changer, right? Because everything that you're saying, it is true, and, and the press was going hard. They still do. They're going- they were going hard at Bobby, like, "He's this, he's that. Here's what he thinks. Here's what he-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
3. CHCheryl Hines
  ... you know, represents." And then he came on your podcast, and you guys had a conversation. [chuckles]
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
5. CHCheryl Hines
  And you know what? You're curious, and you're a great listener, and you're not judgmental, and people heard what Bobby had to say, and it changed everything for him.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I think it helped also that I knew who he was. Uh, I read his book, and I had also had negative opinions of him before I actually read what he said.
7. CHCheryl Hines
  Interesting.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. No, they-
9. CHCheryl Hines
  What were your opinions?
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Before the-
11. CHCheryl Hines
  Or was it-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  So-
13. CHCheryl Hines
  ... not gonna-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... before the pandemic-
15. CHCheryl Hines
  I forgot what I was gonna say
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... before the pandemic-
17. CHCheryl Hines
  Okay
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I was firmly on the side of science.
19. CHCheryl Hines
  Okay.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  I was much more of a left-wing-leaning person.
21. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  I just assumed these people running these u- universities, these academics, whatever they said was accurate.
23. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Everybody else was a fool-
25. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm
26. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and they believed in snake oil and witchcraft, right?
27. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  This is what I thought.
29. CHCheryl Hines
  Okay.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  And then during the pandemic, I was like, "Okay, these experts are clearly lying. C- I know they're lying 'cause they're literally lying about me," right? So-
14:06 – 17:20
Vaccine injury taboo and why questioning becomes social exile
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and his questioning of the vaccine narrative, which is now way more mainstream. Um, because I, like many people, said, "The scientists must be correct. Everybody else is a kook. You gotta get your vaccines. You gotta do whatever you have to do." But I was also pretty aware of... I had a, a friend who had a child that they vaccinated him, and when they vaccinated him, he stopped responding, and he never responded again.
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  He became non-verbal autistic for his whole life.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And he firmly believed it was because of the child's reaction to the vaccines. That's a taboo to bring up. When you bring that up, people immediately back off.
6. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  They get scared. They get nervous. I firmly believe that when you have this sort of a visceral reaction to any sort of a subject like that, without a, a rational examining of what is objective truth-
8. CHCheryl Hines
  Right
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... when you have that visceral reaction, something's happened.
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Right.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You've been co-opted. There's a thought in your head that you can't question this, or you'll be ostracized.
12. CHCheryl Hines
  Right.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You'll be cast out of the crew, you, the crew, the tribe.
14. CHCheryl Hines
  Yes.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  You're out. Yeah-
16. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and that's what everyone's afraid of.
18. CHCheryl Hines
  That is what- because that is what happens-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly
20. CHCheryl Hines
  ... as we, as, as we've seen. But to that point, you know, as mother, I- it's so frustrating to hear parents say, "This is my experience. This is the, the experience I had with my own child, I'm with this child every day. After the vaccine, there was a change. This is what hap-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
22. CHCheryl Hines
  ... this is my experience." And for people to get mad at them for even, like you're saying, talking about it-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm
24. CHCheryl Hines
  ... they're not allowed to talk about the experience they had or-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  It's crazy
26. CHCheryl Hines
  ... ask why it happened or, uh, you know, let people talk to each other to see if they have shared experiences that can lead us to something better?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
28. CHCheryl Hines
  It's crazy.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's crazy, and it shouldn't be, uh, it shouldn't be accepted. We shouldn't communicate like that. It's not smart. It's... W- we've been lied to so many times. I mean, why would you just assume that that stopped, that that has ended? You know, if you just go back and think about all the different things that both the government and, of course, pharmaceutical drug companies have lied about-
30. CHCheryl Hines
  I know
17:20 – 18:33
Sponsor break + the X-ray horror story that resets the risk conversation
1. JRJoe Rogan
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2. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah. Yeah, it's intense.
18:33 – 26:10
Airports, flights, EMF fears, and what ‘safe’ actually means
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you ever see those images of, uh, what happened to the women that used to work in those X-ray offices? So every day, they used to have to turn on the X-ray machine, and they would X-ray their hand to make sure that it would work.
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Oh, no, I don't know.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And they all got, like, hand cancer.... Oh, it's horrible.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Right?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It's weird because they have one hand that looks normal and one hand that looks like a, like a wicked witch hand.
6. CHCheryl Hines
  Right. So-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  See if you can find some of those. It's very strange-
8. CHCheryl Hines
  [chuckles]
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 'cause we didn't know any better.
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Right, because we didn't-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  We didn't know any better.
12. CHCheryl Hines
  Nobody, nobody was out to-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
14. CHCheryl Hines
  ... kill anybody-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  No
16. CHCheryl Hines
  ... to murder, to do harm, but it was doing harm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
18. CHCheryl Hines
  So let's take a step back-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly
20. CHCheryl Hines
  ... readjust, and do something different.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the extreme amount of money that pharmaceutical drug companies have put into making sure that they're in control of the narrative, or at least they're influencing the narrative. So, like, this is this lady.
22. CHCheryl Hines
  Wow!
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Isn't that crazy?
24. CHCheryl Hines
  Ah. [gasps]
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Isn't that crazy?
26. CHCheryl Hines
  That's crazy.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's just from X-raying your hand. [clears throat]
28. SPSpeaker
  So they would use it to calibrate the machine every day.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, my God.
30. CHCheryl Hines
  Oh.
26:10 – 29:03
Film sets, celebrity “royalty,” and how fame warps development
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, there's a thing, there's an indulgence on sets, too-
2. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing]
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... from actors that's like... [sighs] There's a l- kind of a lack of appreciation sometimes of, uh, because you just get accustomed to it, of how fortunate you are to be able to do what you do.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, very few people get to be an actor in a movie-
6. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and you're spazzing out because you didn't get enough sleep.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah, and then meanwhile, the crew-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
10. CHCheryl Hines
  ... really didn't get enough sleep.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  They didn't get enough sleep either.
12. CHCheryl Hines
  They're wo- they're working-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
14. CHCheryl Hines
  ... two hours before you and two hours after.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  But if they spazz out, they'll get fired.
16. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah, immediately.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, and that's the difference. Like, it's not an equality thing.
18. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  So these people, oh, they're aw- they're aware they're like royalty-
20. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
21. JRJoe Rogan
  ... walking around this film set. You know, it's kind of odd.
22. CHCheryl Hines
  Well, it is odd, and at the same time, it's, it's a s- it's a very, uh, unique experience, right? Because this person has to be on camera-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm
24. CHCheryl Hines
  ... and every inch of their face is, you know, gonna be six feet tall in a movie theater, and so everybody's just making sure that person is doing okay-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughing]
26. CHCheryl Hines
  ... and they look okay, and they feel okay. 'Cause if they don't-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh-huh
28. CHCheryl Hines
  ... then the, they don't, you don't have anything.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
30. CHCheryl Hines
  You don't have anything to shoot.
29:03 – 37:14
Joe’s early career: LA discomfort, Hollywood groupthink, and NewsRadio breaks
1. CHCheryl Hines
  Wait, when did you get, uh... What, what was your first break? Was it, was it Newsradio, you said?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Well, I was on another show before Newsradio called Hardball.
3. CHCheryl Hines
  Hmm.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  It was a sitcom that was on Fox. That's what I actually moved out to LA for, and if, if that show got canceled, and if I didn't have a lease on an apartment, I would've went back to New York. I hated it. I didn't-
5. CHCheryl Hines
  Why, why did you hate it?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, [exhales] uh, I didn't like the whole scene. Uh, it felt... I was used to, um, fight gyms-
7. CHCheryl Hines
  [chuckles]
8. JRJoe Rogan
  ... pool halls-
9. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and comedy clubs.
11. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Those are the people I was used to.
13. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  They're, they're the funniest-
15. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like, most brash, blunt people-
17. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm-hmm
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and everybody's cracking on everybody, and it's like, it's jolly. These are, those are jolly places-
19. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for the most part.
21. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  And then I went from there to this weird world of groupthink, and, uh, seeing people read The Hollywood Reporter every day-
23. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and get really upset.
25. CHCheryl Hines
  Yes!
26. JRJoe Rogan
  And I would keep telling them, like, "That's the devil's rag. Like, why are you reading that? Like, don't read that."
27. CHCheryl Hines
  Right, because they're just mad-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  They're just getting mad
29. CHCheryl Hines
  ... that they didn't get the role-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly
37:14 – 41:09
Fear Factor: eating bugs, rats, bull riding dangers, and reality-TV ethics
1. JRJoe Rogan
  It's pro- that's why I got, uh, Fear Factor, because I was the only one who made fun of it.
2. CHCheryl Hines
  And did you... You never had to do- you never had to, like, eat the spiders?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  I, I ate a bunch of stuff.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Did you?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  I ate some spiders. Yeah, I ate a, a Iraqi cave spider.
6. CHCheryl Hines
  Ew!
7. JRJoe Rogan
  I ate a Madagascar hissing cockroach. I ate a tomato hornworm. I ate a sheep's eyeball.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  That's-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  I ate a bunch of stuff, 'cause I ate it just to show the people that you could eat it.
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Ew. Did you ever throw up after?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  No. I only threw up once at home. [laughing] I was watch-
12. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing] You, like-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, yeah, yeah
14. CHCheryl Hines
  ... waited until you got home?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Although it was really good editing.
16. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing] Oh, my God.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  They did a great job. And there was this girl that was-
18. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing] Oh, my God.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  She was- she had a-
20. CHCheryl Hines
  You sound like Bobby. Bobby has never thrown up. It's just that a, a, he doesn't... So he will eat anything and do anything, and it's like-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I've definitely thrown up. Um, but this time it was this lady was eating worms, and she had to swallow the worms, and she couldn't, so she spit them up into the glass, and then she had- she could keep going if she could re-drink what was in the glass-
22. CHCheryl Hines
  Ew
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that she already spit up, and so she did it. I went, "Blah!" [laughing]
24. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing]
25. JRJoe Rogan
  I just ran into the kitchen and threw up in the sink.
26. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing]
27. JRJoe Rogan
  And I was like, "How... " And I kept thinking, "How odd." Like, what a great job they did with, like, the editing and the music, that it got me so wrapped up in it, even though-
28. CHCheryl Hines
  You were-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I was at home. I was, like, five feet away from that lady while she was doing that, and I didn't throw up.
30. CHCheryl Hines
  And it didn't bother you? Like, imagine if-
41:09 – 43:20
RFK Jr. unexpectedly calls in: quick on-air moment with Bobby
1. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
2. SPSpeaker
  Did you see it?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  What a cute-
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Bobby!
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... ringtone.
6. CHCheryl Hines
  That's awkward.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Hey, put him on speakerphone. [laughing]
8. CHCheryl Hines
  Seriously? [laughing]
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, why not?
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Honey, you're on speaker. I'm here with Joe.
11. SPSpeaker
  Hey, Joe.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  We're on the podcast. You're on the podcast, so don't swear.
13. SPSpeaker
  Hello? [laughing]
14. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughing]
15. CHCheryl Hines
  Can you hear me, honey? You're on, uh-
16. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
17. CHCheryl Hines
  We're talking to Joe right now. You're live. [laughing]
18. SPSpeaker
  [laughing] Well, thanks, baby. Hey, Joe, I'm looking forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you, too. You probably shouldn't have told people that, 'cause then they'll start attacking you.
20. CHCheryl Hines
  Is there anything you need to tell me, or...? [laughing]
21. SPSpeaker
  I was just gonna ask Joe to be nice to my wife. [laughing]
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, why didn't you call me? [laughing]
23. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing] You should- I'm in tears over here, honey. It's really, it's going horribly.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughing]
25. SPSpeaker
  [laughing] All right, well, bring me back some of that Alpha-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Alpha Brain.
27. SPSpeaker
  Um, yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, will do.
29. CHCheryl Hines
  Okay, baby. I love you.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Take care.
43:20 – 1:10:31
Nature’s brutality: monkeys, emus, hawks, owls—and Bobby’s falconry
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I'd- I, I have a healthy respect for animals-
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... especially big ones. I think people get super delusional. And we also get super delusional when we compare size. Like, if you say, "Oh, a monkey's smaller than me"-
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that thing will fucking kill you.
6. CHCheryl Hines
  I know.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, don't get crazy.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  It'll pick your, it'll pick your eyes out, right?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, they'll rip your face apart.
10. CHCheryl Hines
  They-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. There, there's a crazy video of this guy in India who's sitting down, and he lets this monkey-
12. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm, mm
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like, sit on his lap, and he's, like, being all calm with the monkey, and then the monkey just decides to tear a giant chunk off his scalp.
14. CHCheryl Hines
  [gasps]
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And the way it does it, it just bites his head and just yanks, like, a football-sized piece of meat off this guy's head. And you're like-
16. CHCheryl Hines
  And there's just no stopping it. There's no stopping it-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  You-
18. CHCheryl Hines
  ... when it starts happening.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  You don't know how strong they are.
20. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, imagine being so strong you could just rip someone's skin clean off their head?
22. CHCheryl Hines
  That's-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  And it's, like, a little thing, a little 30-pound monkey.
24. CHCheryl Hines
  It looks adorable.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, and he thought he was being cute. It's like, "I'm going to be peaceful."
26. SPSpeaker
  I'm not gonna- I won't play it, because I don't know if she wants to see it.
27. CHCheryl Hines
  Oh, yeah, no, I can't watch it, but-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you wanna watch it?
29. CHCheryl Hines
  No, I don't.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Come on.
1:10:31 – 1:19:19
From dinosaurs to AI: surveillance ads, universal income, and loss of purpose
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I loved it because it, for me, it, it's a real potential possibility. I'm friends with the guys over at Colossal. Those are the guys that brought back the dire wolf. Like, they have actual dire wolves now.
2. CHCheryl Hines
  What is a dire wolf?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  A dire wolf is an extinct breed of wolf, and I know there's geneticists out there that are freaking out, "That's not a dire wolf! It's not. What they've done is just taken the characteristics of a dire wolf and recreated it." Okay, agreed.
4. CHCheryl Hines
  Are they, are they small? Are they-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  No
6. CHCheryl Hines
  ... like the size of a-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  They're very big.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  They're big.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  They're bigger than a regular wolf, and they're weird looking. Like, they have a, a mane, and, you know, they're all white. Like, they're really-
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Wow
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... cool looking. Yeah, they're-
12. CHCheryl Hines
  And they walk on our, all fours, I assume.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah, yeah.
14. CHCheryl Hines
  Done question.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Of course.
16. CHCheryl Hines
  Of course.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. CHCheryl Hines
  Well, now I'm thinking about your, um, wolf in, Werewolf in London. [chuckles]
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, [chuckles] he walks on all fours, too.
20. CHCheryl Hines
  Does he? But he can walk-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  That's from American Werewolf in London.
22. CHCheryl Hines
  But he can go-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  No, not... That's a dire wolf.
24. CHCheryl Hines
  Oh. So wow, they're really pretty.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  So that's the Colossal guys. Yeah, they're, they're really interesting. It's really interesting, 'cause you see him, and you're like-
26. CHCheryl Hines
  Wow, it's really pretty.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  And, um, when I saw them, they were in the, it was in the summertime, and they, uh, apparently, they're, they were about six months old, and they're gonna get a lot larger. [chuckles] And they-
28. CHCheryl Hines
  Oh, wait, so they came back from extinction, is that what you're trying to-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, they bro- they brought them back from extinction through genetic engineering.
30. CHCheryl Hines
  Ah.
1:19:19 – 1:25:03
Control creep: 15-minute cities, COVID-era restrictions, and speech policing
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, Oxford, England just established, like, this new, um... They're, they're doing this thing called, like, 15-minute cities, where you have, like, an area where you're allowed to travel to, and if you decide to travel outside of that area, you get a certain amount of them per year. And, uh, and-
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Wait, you get a certain amount of what?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Travel passes to leave your area.
4. SPSpeaker
  That was a congestion zone.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, whatever it is.
6. SPSpeaker
  I'm just saying, I'm just... That's what it was.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  You call it whatever you want, but whatever it is, it's the government telling you-
8. CHCheryl Hines
  Deciding
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you can't leave an area, and if you leave that area, it costs you money.
10. CHCheryl Hines
  Wow.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  So it costs you the equivalent of, like, $100 a day to leave this area-
12. CHCheryl Hines
  Wow
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... if you get over a certain number of them.
14. SPSpeaker
  That's what they... It's similar to what they did in New York City.
15. CHCheryl Hines
  That's right. Right.
16. SPSpeaker
  However, they stopped it in New York, remember?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, well, it's crazy.
18. CHCheryl Hines
  That's crazy.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  That's why they stopped it, because this is the beginning of a terrible trend. So what this is, is the beginning of them telling you where you can go and how often you can go, and this is the government doing it, and the temporary congestion charge, bullshit. They've been, they've been proposing-
20. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing] Bullshit
21. JRJoe Rogan
  ... stuff like this. It's bullshit.
22. CHCheryl Hines
  [laughing]
23. JRJoe Rogan
  They've been proposing stuff-
24. CHCheryl Hines
  Well, what do you think they're, they wanna do it to-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  They wanna control people.
26. CHCheryl Hines
  Wow.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  They wanna be able to tell you where you can and can't go. The more they can put restrictions on you, the more they can pass laws that they can profit from, the more they can benefit from whatever control they have over you, the more they can tighten down on it. And England's a great place to do this because they've already gotten things passed through in England. Like, England doesn't have jury trials anymore, except for, like, murder and, and rape and a few other things.
28. CHCheryl Hines
  It's just one judge?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a judge, so-
30. CHCheryl Hines
  It's one person deciding
1:25:03 – 1:50:26
Political optics vs governance: campaigns as auditions, deep state friction, and money
1. JRJoe Rogan
  What was the big turning point for you? Was it just being attached to Bobby and watching all that, or...?
2. CHCheryl Hines
  Uh, it was, it was Bobby running for president. It was-... It's so crazy! I mean, I really got a crash course in, um, elections, and, um, it is- the craziest shit goes on, and everybody is... That's all they think about. You know, the people that are involved, they get up in the morning, "How can I fuck this guy over?" I'm gonna say- And, and they have these people that their only job is to start a rumor, is to say something, put something in the press that doesn't matter if it's true or not. If, if somebody else picks it up, it, they celebrate for the whole day, and it's like that story, whatever it was, the thing that they said, gets picked up, that is like a day of celebration. It's a celebration from the other camps, and then it's like your camp is now trying to figure out what to do about that i- or what kind of damage it's gonna do, and is it worth even fighting, or is it better to just let it wither on the vine? It's just all day, every day, people are [exhales] trying to find the craziest, craziest... Doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if it's about, certainly, if it's about politics or not. It's more exciting if it's something personal. "Oh, he's wearing lifts in his boots. Oh, she's..." And it's just-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  But that is an important thing. If someone's wearing lifts in their boots, like, "Hey, [laughing] we've- "
4. CHCheryl Hines
  "How are you gonna govern this country?"
5. JRJoe Rogan
  "How did you get so tall [laughing] out of nowhere?"
6. CHCheryl Hines
  It is absurd.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It's so weird. It's absurd.
8. CHCheryl Hines
  But-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  It's absurd behavior
10. CHCheryl Hines
  ... But you don't like that. Well, who gives a shit?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Um-
12. CHCheryl Hines
  Women wear heels.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, but if a man does it and he's lying about it, I think that, as a short man-
14. CHCheryl Hines
  Well, did anybody ask? They didn't.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  I think they did. I think they asked. You're talking about, uh, homeboy from Florida. Yeah, I think they asked, and he denied it, but it was pretty clear. There was, like, one podcast or one, um, talk show, one of those late-night shows where he walked out, and I was like: Why... You're walking like a horse.
16. CHCheryl Hines
  [chuckles]
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, you're clearly on your tippy-toes. This is crazy. You've added, like, five inches to your height. This is bananas-
18. CHCheryl Hines
  But-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and it's all inside your boots.
20. CHCheryl Hines
  And then that's what everybody's talking about.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, don't do that. Don't do that, and no one's gonna talk. You- That's like a self-inflicted wound.
22. CHCheryl Hines
  But then it's like: "Oh, well, he's too short to govern the country."
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's crazy. If people think that, that's their... That's on them.
24. CHCheryl Hines
  Well, pe- people are crazy.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, but they're not gonna think you're taller than you really are. Like, they've seen you for fucking decades.
26. CHCheryl Hines
  [chuckles]
27. JRJoe Rogan
  He's been in the public eye forever, and then all of a sudden he gains four inches? Everybody's like: "What's going on?" Like, people know. You can't... They're, they're scrutinizing everything. You know, you can't-
28. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you can't pull the wool over their eyes that hard.
30. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
1:50:26 – 2:44:16
Conspiracies, labels, and the Epstein darkness: information overload vs truth
1. CHCheryl Hines
  Well, that's why, you know, when people talk about conspiracy theories, right? It's a conspiracy theory until it's proven true.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. CHCheryl Hines
  So if that can happen, if, if people can tell doctors, "This is not addictive"-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm
5. CHCheryl Hines
  ... and doctors believe it, and doctors push it, and then you f- find out later, oh yeah, uh, they knew.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. CHCheryl Hines
  There we have, uh, documents that prove that they knew that it was addictive, they knew how destructive it was-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh
9. CHCheryl Hines
  ... but they did it anyway.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
11. CHCheryl Hines
  It's like, people can believe that.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. CHCheryl Hines
  But then they have a hard time believing it about other things. They ca- can't imagine.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Well, they don't wanna seem foolish, and this is the thing about conspiracy theories. Um, they've done a really good job of making it seem like you're a fool if you believe in conspiracy theories, and this is... They did a really good job of that during the Kennedy assassination. That's when the term conspiracy theorist really became popular.
15. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, it never... It wasn't really a thing that people talked about all the time before the Kennedy assassination, and then after that, that became this term that they would use for kooks.
17. CHCheryl Hines
  Yeah, a label.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  You're a conspiracy theorist.
19. CHCheryl Hines
  A label, yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, they use that for me all the time.
21. CHCheryl Hines
  I, I was about to say.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, all the time.
23. CHCheryl Hines
  You're like the king of conspiracy-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  I am a conspiracy theorist. [laughs] Yes.
25. CHCheryl Hines
  Because, by the way, what is a conspiracy? It's two or more people working together to do something-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
27. CHCheryl Hines
  ... nefarious.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  It's always happened. It's been going on forever. There's a ton of them that I could just rattle off the top of my head, and I've had a few conversations with people on the podcast where they're like, "I think most conspiracies can be attributed to ineptitude, and this," and I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not most. A few, some, but when there's profit involved-
29. CHCheryl Hines
  Mm.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... when there's profit involved, when there's power involved-

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Cheryl Hines returns: the chaos of RFK Jr. running for president

Tribal rejection, political “cults,” and why smart people comply

When politics breaks friendships: Bill Maher, Jimmy Kimmel, and lost civility

Debates as theater: insults, catchphrases, and ‘this isn’t productive’

Media power and narrative warfare: Hunter S. Thompson to the pandemic

RFK Jr. on JRE as a ‘game changer’: Fauci book, footnotes, and credibility

Vaccine injury taboo and why questioning becomes social exile

Sponsor break + the X-ray horror story that resets the risk conversation

Airports, flights, EMF fears, and what ‘safe’ actually means

Film sets, celebrity “royalty,” and how fame warps development

Joe’s early career: LA discomfort, Hollywood groupthink, and NewsRadio breaks

Fear Factor: eating bugs, rats, bull riding dangers, and reality-TV ethics

RFK Jr. unexpectedly calls in: quick on-air moment with Bobby

Nature’s brutality: monkeys, emus, hawks, owls—and Bobby’s falconry

From dinosaurs to AI: surveillance ads, universal income, and loss of purpose

Control creep: 15-minute cities, COVID-era restrictions, and speech policing

Political optics vs governance: campaigns as auditions, deep state friction, and money

Conspiracies, labels, and the Epstein darkness: information overload vs truth

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