Joe Rogan Experience #2453 - Evan Hafer

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 1:48

   Desk curios, mammoth grips, and why tactile gear matters

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. [upbeat music] Oh, man, what's happening, baby?

   4. EHEvan Hafer0:14

      Everything-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      I'm-

   6. EHEvan Hafer0:15

      ... and nothing all at the same time.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      I was just explaining all the shit that's on this desk. It's like everybody likes to give me something that sits here, which is kinda cool. Like, uh, Ed Calderon gave me this. It's like a WD-40 with a lighter attached to it.

   8. EHEvan Hafer0:31

      [chuckles]

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      You can fucking blast people.

   10. EHEvan Hafer0:34

       Is it like a self-defense...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       I don't- he's always got these things, like cartel things.

   12. EHEvan Hafer0:39

       That looks like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       And he's like the cartel-

   14. EHEvan Hafer0:40

       ... 3D printed. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   16. EHEvan Hafer0:42

       Got it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       I think it is.

   18. EHEvan Hafer0:42

       Yeah, yeah. That's cool.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yeah. I mean, it's a-

   20. EHEvan Hafer0:45

       Little things-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       ... portable flamethrower.

   22. EHEvan Hafer0:47

       [chuckles] Holy shit. I love this.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       From two common items. [chuckles]

   24. EHEvan Hafer0:51

       [chuckles]

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       And then, um, [clears throat] I think it was Luke Caverns gave me this. Is that who gave me this? The m- the Ol-

   26. EHEvan Hafer0:56

       No, the-

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Olmec head

   28. EHEvan Hafer0:57

       ... Mexican.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       It's from the Olmecs.

   30. EHEvan Hafer0:59

       Oh, is that what it is?
3. 1:48 – 7:17

   Archery grip preferences, release styles, and training limits at heavy draw weights

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:48

      It's interesting, like, Hoyt doesn't have a whole lot of options. Like, Ultraview doesn't make their, their handles for Hoyt, but they make them for, uh, Matthews-

   2. EHEvan Hafer1:55

      Yeah

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:56

      ... 'cause he, he shoots Matthews. But it's a nice handle upgrade. It really does... Like, the way it sits in your hand, it really does feel, like, a little better, just the touch of it.

   4. EHEvan Hafer2:04

      Are you still, are you still putting them on your, your Hoyt for every one?

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:08

      The Rattler Grips.

   6. EHEvan Hafer2:09

      You do?

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      Yeah.

   8. EHEvan Hafer2:10

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:10

      Yeah.

   10. EHEvan Hafer2:10

       Yeah. That's great.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       He just sent me some new ones.

   12. EHEvan Hafer2:12

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       It feels better. And the bone, there's something about the bone. It's more tactile in your hand-

   14. EHEvan Hafer2:17

       Yeah

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       ... than plastic.

   16. EHEvan Hafer2:18

       Well, I've been wrapping mine with that camouflage athletic tape.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       Oh, really?

   18. EHEvan Hafer2:22

       Yeah. [chuckles] It's sticky.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       Bowmar sells stuff like that. He sells specific bow grip.

   20. EHEvan Hafer2:26

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       It's got a little bit of tackiness to it, but some people think you shouldn't have that. They think your hand should be so relaxed that it should be able to slip around your hand, so there's, like, no torque whatsoever in your front hand.

   22. EHEvan Hafer2:36

       I don't like that. I like to feel, I, I like to feel the, the, uh, dexterity of it, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       Mm.

   24. EHEvan Hafer2:41

       I like to have a little bit of relief in the hand in the context of, like, I've gotta have some grippiness to it. Just like a baseball bat or any other things-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       Right

   26. EHEvan Hafer2:51

       ... any- even all of the, like, Glocks and 2011s-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Mm-hmm

   28. EHEvan Hafer2:54

       ... I'll still do an upgrade on the stippling and-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       Yeah

   30. EHEvan Hafer2:57

       ... clean it a bit more. But I've also got giant hands for a, a s- well, I shouldn't be- I shouldn't say I'm small. Like, I am two inches taller than the average Asian woman, so I-
4. 7:17 – 10:11

   Company archery culture: giving away bows, liability, and skill degradation

   1. EHEvan Hafer7:17

      I had- so I had a archery, little archery range in the back of my Salt Lake City-

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:21

      Mm-hmm

   3. EHEvan Hafer7:21

      ... building, and every, like... And I used to let everybody use it in the company. And then after you've worked for the company for a while, you'd get your choice. You'd get, like, a staccato or a rifle or a bow, and then we're doing... We still do, right? We still do a lot of veteran adaptive athlete shoots, and the tactical or tactical games, and the total archery challenges. So I've given away 100 bows, probably-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:45

      Oh, that's awesome

   5. EHEvan Hafer7:46

      ... in the company.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:47

      Do you let them-

   7. EHEvan Hafer7:48

      Here's the problem

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:48

      ... pick their brand and the whole deal?

   9. EHEvan Hafer7:49

      No, no, no. We partner, we partnered with Hoyt on the last batch.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       Oh, cool.

   11. EHEvan Hafer7:53

       Then we partnered with PSE. We partnered with kind of-

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:55

       Oh, nice

   13. EHEvan Hafer7:55

       ... anybody that wants to, like, go in 50/50 on us, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       Oh, great.

   15. EHEvan Hafer7:59

       Like, and, um-

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       That's awesome.

   17. EHEvan Hafer8:01

       But then we'll make them Black Rifle custom, right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:03

       Mm.

   19. EHEvan Hafer8:03

       So it's cool camouflage, a little branding on it. But here's the downside to that, is when you got a bunch of people shooting in the back, and I had a storage facility in the back, there were always arrows in the-

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       [chuckles]

   21. EHEvan Hafer8:15

       ... in this, like, storage unit. [chuckles] And so finally, my, my, uh, our general counsel came to me and he's like, "No more. You gotta stop. You can't shoot any more arrows." So I banned it for everybody except for me. [laughing]

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       [laughing]

   23. EHEvan Hafer8:28

       Me, Logan, you know, Matt, basically the people that could either absorb the legal fees or at least, like, explain it away.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Well, the thing about archery is, it's such a- it's, it's a skill that 100% degrades.

   25. EHEvan Hafer8:42

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       Like, you have to stay on it.

   27. EHEvan Hafer8:43

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       And you just can't trust that everyone's staying on it.

   29. EHEvan Hafer8:47

       No. It's, it's even hard for me if I take three weeks off or-

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       Yeah.
5. 10:11 – 12:17

   Lanai axis deer hunting, evolution under predators, and modern softness

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:11

      Yeah, but when we went vacationing in, uh, Lanai, where we could bow hunt.

   2. EHEvan Hafer10:15

      Yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:15

      So we would bow hunt at least once a day, 'cause Lanai, you know you've been.

   4. EHEvan Hafer10:20

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:20

      You've been. It's crazy.

   6. EHEvan Hafer10:21

      Yeah, it's awesome.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:21

      It's one of the craziest places on Earth.

   8. EHEvan Hafer10:22

      Mm, great.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:23

      For people that don't know, there's 3,000 people and 30,000 deer.

   10. EHEvan Hafer10:26

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       And they were given, uh, by, uh, King Kameha- uh, to King Kamehameha by the, um, whoever the head dude was in India. He's like, uh, he gave him a gift of axis deer.

   12. EHEvan Hafer10:37

       Is that where they came from?

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Mm-hmm.

   14. EHEvan Hafer10:39

       I didn't realize that-

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       Yeah

   16. EHEvan Hafer10:40

       ... that had, that was the actual timeline.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Yeah.

   18. EHEvan Hafer10:42

       I didn't realize that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       Yeah, and they're everywhere. They tried, they-

   20. EHEvan Hafer10:46

       They're amazing

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       ... they tried to reintroduce them, uh, try to introduce them to the Big Island. Like, I know Shane Dorian was all pumped about it-

   22. EHEvan Hafer10:51

       Mm

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       ... but then they eradicated them. People killed them. They said they were invasive, but-

   24. EHEvan Hafer10:55

       I think they need to be everywhere they can be.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       They're delicious.

   26. EHEvan Hafer10:57

       They're delicious. [chuckles] They're the most delicious meat.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:01

       Of the deer.

   28. EHEvan Hafer11:01

       Of course.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       Yeah.

   30. EHEvan Hafer11:02

       Yeah, yeah.
6. 12:17 – 20:00

   Coffee culture wars: baristas, “waves” of coffee, and why Starbucks tastes burnt

   1. EHEvan Hafer12:17

      Yeah.... right? You can walk around. I think, well, that's, you know, w- with coffee, right? The best coffee shops are, like, [chuckles] there's so much stuff on Instagram, it's so funny. 'Cause, uh, you walk into a coffee shop, and if you see the craziest-looking freak, it's gonna have the best coffee. [laughing]

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:32

      Yeah. [laughing] What is it about baristas?

   3. EHEvan Hafer12:34

      I don't know, but it's the same-

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:35

      They're just so left-wing weirdo, fucking lip rings.

   5. EHEvan Hafer12:40

      Like, oh, yeah. Yeah, how many nose rings do you have?

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:42

      Yeah.

   7. EHEvan Hafer12:42

      How, like, how many colors do you have in your hair, and how many pronouns do you have?

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:46

      [laughing]

   9. EHEvan Hafer12:46

      'Cause that's like, you're gonna make [chuckles] the greatest espresso I've ever had. And that's the joke, right? 'Cause I'll go cruise around, like, in Austin for the last couple weeks-

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       Yeah, you see a dude who's-

   11. EHEvan Hafer12:57

       ... you-

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       -jacked with a hand tattoo, he's gonna make you a bullshit coffee. [laughing]

   13. EHEvan Hafer13:00

       It's like, "I can make you pour over... I mean, I can just pour it over," you know? [laughing]

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:05

       [laughing] Yeah.

   15. EHEvan Hafer13:05

       Like, "What?"

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:05

       He'll make you some cowboy coffee.

   17. EHEvan Hafer13:07

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       He's got a fucking, one of them tin pots that you put on the fire.

   19. EHEvan Hafer13:10

       Take his sock off or something.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       [laughing]

   21. EHEvan Hafer13:12

       Like, I, I... I'm good. I'm all set, man. Yeah, I'm all set.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       [laughing]

   23. EHEvan Hafer13:17

       Yeah, one hundred percent.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:17

       What is it about baristas? Like, how did that become such a left-wing safe place?

   25. EHEvan Hafer13:23

       Uh, you know, I don't know. I think it, I think the origin of it comes from San Francisco, Seattle, right? All the, uh, we'll say the left-wing, left coast, all of the woke-ism-

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:34

       Hubs.

   27. EHEvan Hafer13:35

       Yeah, because-

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:36

       Yeah

   29. EHEvan Hafer13:36

       ... that also drove most of what I would say is the third and fourth wave. 'Cause there's one, two, three, four basic waves in coffee, but fourth, third and fourth wave are the most recent. And fourth wave would be considered single origin, very lightly roasted coffees, and you've been to these coffee shops. You know what they look like.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       Mm-hmm.
7. 20:00 – 27:44

   Delayed gratification and craft: training the boring parts (writing, comedy reps)

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:00

      kettlebells, yoga, sprints, chasing the dog, whatever you're into. It could be just leaning over to pick up your kids, everything stays on your face and feels great, with crystal clear optics. Check 'em out and feel the difference for yourself. To help you get started, ROKA is offering JRE listeners 20% off your order, so go to roka.com. Well, there's a lot of people that have a hard time focusing on something that isn't exciting-

   2. EHEvan Hafer20:28

      Oh, yeah

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:28

      ... for whatever reason, even if it's, like, important technical details that'll help you do things that are exciting. You know, it's, it's the g- delayed gratification.

   4. EHEvan Hafer20:36

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:36

      They're the same type of people that d- don't like to do cold plunges or don't like to do certain things that, like, you're not gonna feel an immediate benefit. It's gonna suck while you're doing it, so you put it off. Like, you gotta... You've gotta have a mindset that there's some things that suck that will make the things that are exciting way better.

   6. EHEvan Hafer20:53

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:53

      Like, for comics, it's writing, like sitting down and writing. You know, I w- because a lot of comics don't wanna write, they just wanna come out with ideas through the day and then work 'em out on stage. I'm like, "That is great. You can do that, but you should also write, because the ideas that come to you while you're writing-

   8. EHEvan Hafer21:08

      Right

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:08

      ... they won't come any other way. And those are like little gifts from the universe, and you... The only way you get 'em is you gotta sit down with a fucking pad of paper or a computer in front of you and come up with them. You gotta sit down and start working and let the mind just-

   10. EHEvan Hafer21:21

       Yeah

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:22

       ... just slowly but surely pop 'em out.

   12. EHEvan Hafer21:25

       How, how often do you do that?

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       At least four days a week.

   14. EHEvan Hafer21:29

       For an hour, two hours?

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       Yeah, yeah, at least, at least an hour. I try to write 1,000 words, so it, it might be an hour, it might be two hours, and then out of those 1,000 words, I might get a paragraph, like, "There it is."

   16. EHEvan Hafer21:41

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       "That's what I was looking for." You're basically looking for arrowheads in a field.

   18. EHEvan Hafer21:46

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:46

       You know, you're picking up a giant clump of dirt and you're shaking it out or washing it over and, "Ah, got one!"

   20. EHEvan Hafer21:52

       So do you try that out on anybody before you actually-

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:54

       No.

   22. EHEvan Hafer21:54

       No, you're just like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:55

       No

   24. EHEvan Hafer21:55

       ... "Okay, this is the concept."

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:56

       I'm pretty sure I got something. When I got something-

   26. EHEvan Hafer21:59

       Right. Yeah, yeah

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:59

       ... I'm pretty sure I got it, but I don't know what it's gonna be until the audience tells me. Like-

   28. EHEvan Hafer22:03

       When you have your own club, so you can just try it out.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:05

       That helps. Yeah, that helps a lot. [laughing]

   30. EHEvan Hafer22:06

       [laughing] You just, like, drive in. "It's Wednesday, let me try this out."
8. 27:44 – 36:59

   True crime obsession and real-world danger: Lady Bird Lake drownings & serial killers

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:44

      Kids love that

   2. EHEvan Hafer27:45

      ... a dude that killed his wife. And I'm like-

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:47

      They love that.

   4. EHEvan Hafer27:47

      They love it. Why?

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:48

      Why do they love that?

   6. EHEvan Hafer27:50

      It's so weird.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:51

      It's, like, genetic that they love it, 'cause my kids love those shows.

   8. EHEvan Hafer27:54

      Really?

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:55

      They love serial killer expose shows and all these true crimes.

   10. EHEvan Hafer28:00

       And I don't like any of that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:01

       I was talking to my daughter about it, and she said, "Because girls don't do things like this, so we kind of wanna see, like, what's going on in a man's mind that makes him..."

   12. EHEvan Hafer28:11

       [chuckles]

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:11

       It's a- such a mystery. You know what I'm saying?

   14. EHEvan Hafer28:14

       [chuckles]

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:14

       Like, it's such a mystery. Like, most men can imagine a scenario where there's a bunch of people that did some horrible shit in a room, and you just go in there and fucking kill all of them.

   16. EHEvan Hafer28:28

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:28

       Most men-

   18. EHEvan Hafer28:29

       Yeah

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:29

       ... most men can say, "Oh yeah, there's a place."

   20. EHEvan Hafer28:31

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:31

       "There's a place. Like, if someone did something, and I knew they did something, and they're in that room, and they need to go, they need to go."

   22. EHEvan Hafer28:38

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:38

       Most women can't think like that.

   24. EHEvan Hafer28:40

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan28:40

       They don't, they don't think like that. It's not inside their head. And then there's the darkness of it. Like, these aren't men that are doing something to someone who deserves it. They're just doing it to vulnerable people. They're just evil creatures who just wanna go out and hunt vulnerable people. And I think women want to know that there are men like that out there, that are so different than them, so they can put it in their head, like, "Okay, serial killers are real."

   26. EHEvan Hafer29:06

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:06

       "Like, these true crime shows have shown me this, and I wanna know, like, what to look for."

   28. EHEvan Hafer29:11

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:13

       That's what I think.

   30. EHEvan Hafer29:13

       Whereas, have you ever spent a second of your life in fear or fearing a serial killer?
9. 36:59 – 44:58

   Pacific Northwest darkness, pollution theories, and cities “going woke”

   1. EHEvan Hafer36:59

      The Pacific Northwest is like, that's a spot. These guys love it up there.

   2. JRJoe Rogan37:03

      Absolutely.

   3. EHEvan Hafer37:03

      I don't know if it's, like, the rain-

   4. JRJoe Rogan37:04

      Crazy out there

   5. EHEvan Hafer37:04

      ... you know, like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan37:05

      Well, we had a lady that was connecting it. She came on the podcast, and she was connecting a bunch of serial killers from a very specific area that did a lot of... It was mining, right?... wasn't it mining and the, the, the, uh, industrial pollution?

   7. EHEvan Hafer37:19

      Oh, so it was like increased-

   8. JRJoe Rogan37:21

      Uh-huh

   9. EHEvan Hafer37:22

      ... the increased lead or something, right, in the water or something?

   10. JRJoe Rogan37:24

       Well, it was the, the, the, the processing of it. Like-

   11. EHEvan Hafer37:29

       Oh, the-

   12. JRJoe Rogan37:30

       What are those? The, when they're burning it.

   13. EHEvan Hafer37:32

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan37:33

       What's that called?

   15. SPSpeaker37:34

       Le- lead leaching.

   16. EHEvan Hafer37:35

       Leaching.

   17. SPSpeaker37:35

       It was lead, this-

   18. JRJoe Rogan37:36

       Yeah, it was lead, but it was other stuff. It was other stuff like, oh, there's arsenic in it, and there's a lot of sh- but what, what am I looking for? Not... What is it- what, why, why can't I come up with that term? The plants where they burn all the shit. Power plants. What, what's the term? God damn it.

   19. SPSpeaker37:53

       Caroline Frazier-

   20. EHEvan Hafer37:53

       Smelting? [chuckles]

   21. SPSpeaker37:54

       ... is her name, though. [chuckles] I don't know.

   22. JRJoe Rogan37:55

       What's her name?

   23. SPSpeaker37:56

       Caroline Frazier.

   24. EHEvan Hafer37:57

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan37:57

       Caroline Frazier.

   26. EHEvan Hafer37:58

       Maybe, maybe Paul would know if he got Stamets on here-

   27. JRJoe Rogan38:01

       Get that lady

   28. EHEvan Hafer38:01

       ... and she could talk about, he could talk about the mushroom or the fungi in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe it has something to do with it. [chuckles]

   29. JRJoe Rogan38:07

       I don't think so.

   30. EHEvan Hafer38:07

       [chuckles]
10. 44:58 – 52:07

    Vanlife vs methlife: minimalism, climbers, and the ‘dirtbag’ ethic

    1. EHEvan Hafer44:58

       It's almost the difference between #vanlife and #methlife.

    2. JRJoe Rogan45:02

       Yeah! [laughs]

    3. EHEvan Hafer45:03

       Right?

    4. JRJoe Rogan45:03

       Yeah.

    5. EHEvan Hafer45:03

       There's a big difference. [laughs]

    6. JRJoe Rogan45:04

       Right, van life is like, you want to be a guy who's not saddled down to one particular spot. You have a place that's in this van that has a bed. You have a little tiny kitchen area. You have a little portable fridge. It's all you need.

    7. EHEvan Hafer45:19

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       I don't need a fucking house.

    9. EHEvan Hafer45:21

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:21

        Just travel around. It's probably fun.

    11. EHEvan Hafer45:23

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:23

        The freedom of it, you know? Like Alex Honnold, that crazy dude that just-

    13. EHEvan Hafer45:27

        Mm-hmm

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:27

        ... climbed that tower in-

    15. EHEvan Hafer45:28

        Yeah

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:28

        ... in, uh, Chinese Taipei, he, uh, used to live like that for a long time. He had a big van. He would park it in his friend's driveway sometimes, and he would just travel to trail heads and live out-

    17. EHEvan Hafer45:39

        That's-

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:39

        ... live out of his van.

    19. EHEvan Hafer45:40

        That's, like, the, the minimalist attraction-

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:43

        Mm-hmm

    21. EHEvan Hafer45:43

        ... where you're like, "I, I don't have anything other than what's in my van or on my back," where-

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:48

        Yeah

    23. EHEvan Hafer45:48

        ... life is simple.

    24. JRJoe Rogan45:49

        Yeah.

    25. EHEvan Hafer45:49

        I don't have to organize anything. I can stay focused. I, I-

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:52

        Mm

    27. EHEvan Hafer45:52

        ... I think that's a, it's an interesting thought exercise, especially when you're younger and like, "Okay, cool. I can wrap my head around that."

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:59

        Yeah.

    29. EHEvan Hafer45:59

        And it's completely respectable. A lot of these hippies... I shouldn't say that in the context of, like, hippie, dance around with flowers in my hair. A lot of these, like, climber-

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:08

        Mm-hmm
11. 52:07 – 1:02:17

    Joe’s pool obsession: precision, ratings, pro gaps, and why it ‘cleans the mind’

    1. JRJoe Rogan52:07

       The pool is my number one problem. That's my biggest one.

    2. EHEvan Hafer52:10

       Really?

    3. JRJoe Rogan52:10

       Yeah, that's the one where if I, if I ever wanted to not do anything else, I would just become a professional pool player. If I just said, "Okay, I am done. I'm done podcasting, I'm done with the UFC, I'm done with everything. I'm just gonna travel around and do tournaments"-

    4. EHEvan Hafer52:24

       Huh!

    5. JRJoe Rogan52:25

       ... I could g- I could go crazy. I could go crazy and just do that 100%.

    6. EHEvan Hafer52:31

       Is it just the, the, the game fascinates you, the, the angles, the, the ability to, like, just continue to evolve within that all the time? You can't ever be the best?

    7. JRJoe Rogan52:41

       You definitely never achieve full perfection, but to be really good requires this level of laser focus, and concentration, and an understanding of what's going on.

    8. EHEvan Hafer52:54

       Mm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan52:54

       I mean, you're taking a stick, and you're hitting a ball into another ball-

    10. EHEvan Hafer52:58

        Mm

    11. JRJoe Rogan52:59

        ... with pinpoint accuracy into a pocket that is, on my table, it's four and a quarter inches. So you've got the cue- the ball, the object ball, which is about that big, and then you got that much space on each side. Just a tiny little space on each side, and you gotta slip it through there, oftentimes, like, eight feet away, seven feet away, six feet away with English. So you're putting spin on the cue ball, which imparts a throw on the object ball. So if I put right-hand spin on the cue ball and I hit the object ball, I have to calculate for the fact that it's gonna throw the object ball slightly to the left-

    12. EHEvan Hafer53:33

        Right

    13. JRJoe Rogan53:33

        ... because of the right-hand spin, because it clings to the ball a little bit and shoots. So all this is playing in my head. And then I have to have it at a speed where once the cue ball then collides with the object ball, pockets it, then it's gotta go one, two, three rails for perfect position on the next ball. And I have to have an angle. I have to make sure that I have an angle for the following ball.

    14. EHEvan Hafer53:53

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan53:53

        And you don't wanna be trapped on the rails. You wanna be off the rail. It's like all these different things... You can't think about anything else. Your mind has to be clean. It cleans your mind. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Look, there's a lot of pressure when it comes to dating, especially in February, but you're putting too much on yourself and on your partner. There's no such thing as a perfect relationship, whether you're on a first date or have been together for years. It's completely normal to go through rough patches, and what matters is how you deal with them, and therapy can be a huge help during any stage of your dating life. You can figure out what you want in a partner or get perspective for a growing problem in your relationship. The point is, you don't have to come up with a solution by yourself. Now, finding the right therapist can be tricky, but that's where BetterHelp comes in. They have an industry-leading match fulfillment rate, and they do a lot of the work finding the right therapist for you. Really, all you have to do is fill out a questionnaire and sit back and wait. Tackle your relationship goals this month with BetterHelp. Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/jre. That's betterH-E-L-P.com/jre.

    16. EHEvan Hafer55:08

        So if you've gotten, I, I'm sure you have, like, professional-

    17. JRJoe Rogan55:12

        Coach

    18. EHEvan Hafer55:12

        ... players, yeah, coaching.

    19. JRJoe Rogan55:13

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    20. EHEvan Hafer55:13

        Guys who've come out, like the-

    21. JRJoe Rogan55:14

        Yeah

    22. EHEvan Hafer55:14

        ... best in the world have come out and played with you?

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:16

        Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    24. EHEvan Hafer55:17

        How do you hold up? Like, what's your-

    25. JRJoe Rogan55:19

        Well, I can never beat them.

    26. EHEvan Hafer55:20

        Right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan55:21

        Uh, but I beat them some games.

    28. EHEvan Hafer55:22

        Right.

    29. JRJoe Rogan55:22

        I, I can break and run out. So I'll, I'll break and run out, won two games in a row sometimes.

    30. EHEvan Hafer55:26

        Right.
12. 1:02:17 – 1:13:25

    Archery and shooting as meditation: purity, stress relief, and why people need a hard skill

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:02:17

       It is pure, and it's also a really good mind exercise.

    2. EHEvan Hafer1:02:20

       Mm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:02:20

       Just like, you know, when you work out, you're cleaning your mind. There's a lot of what working out is, is not just physical, it's mental clarity. You, uh, relax the mind, you calm the mind through hard exercise, and there's something where you're calming your mind through shooting. Because it requires so much of you, everything else just gets- p- get the fuck out of the way. Bills, this, that, you know, "Oh, I gotta call that guy. I don't wanna call him. Fuck, I gotta deal with this thing. Oh, that's falling apart. This deal sucks." It, it all goes away. It has to go away.

    4. EHEvan Hafer1:02:55

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:02:55

       If it doesn't go away, you miss, and then you go, "Fuck, why did I miss?" Um, you missed 'cause you're distracted. Like, let's focus, put the fucking arrow on the nock, you know, put, put it in there, draw it back, center it, calm, relax. At that moment, like, at that moment, there is nothing else in your fucking head. There's nothing in there. Thwack! And it goes in there, thwack, you get this, [exhales] this nice burst of happiness when you watch that fucking arrow just drop right in exactly where you want it to, like, [exhales] and then you go and pull the arrows, and you go right back and start it again. And at the end of that practice, I feel way better. I just always feel better.

    6. EHEvan Hafer1:03:33

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:03:33

       I always feel clearer. My, my head works better. It's just like, it's a focus exercise with ex- which excites all your synapses, and then on top of that, it's a mental clearing thing. Like, Fred Berry used to talk about that, like, something about... I forget the quote, but it's something about, "There's nothing like shooting a bow that clears a man's mind."

    8. EHEvan Hafer1:03:52

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:03:52

       It's totally true. There's something about archery, in particular, that just cleans your mind.

    10. EHEvan Hafer1:03:58

        Yeah, I, I, I 100% agree. I, I used to have this trad bow, which that's how I started. Have I told you this story? Like, so I'd stuff the old coffee bags, the burlap coffee bags-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:10

        Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah

    12. EHEvan Hafer1:04:10

        ... I'd stuff them up and fill them up, and then I started shooting a trad bow originally. Well, the roasting cycle takes about eight, eight and a half minutes, so I couldn't really do anything. I'm, like, watching the, you know, coffee roast, which is just tumbling in a big dryer, and so I'd just shoot a trad bow in the back to try to focus something other than the business, uh, you know, family, whatever it is. I could just shoot my trad bow, and then, uh, Dudley was like, "Why do you shoot that thing? It's so stupid." [chuckles] "Like, don't you like to hit what you shoot at?" I'm like, "I'm just doing it for fun, man. Like, you know, I'm, I'm a happy-go-lucky guy. I just want a, like, active form of meditation." But what, what I did realize was it was such a pure... To your point, it would flush out all this negative shit that I was, like, either working through or dealing, dealing with. That's like... So being able to translate that to other people, especially veterans, huge, huge transformation for guys.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:05:09

        Mm-hmm.

    14. EHEvan Hafer1:05:09

        'Cause they can go out, it's quiet. It's a subculture they can be part of.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:05:14

        Mm-hmm.

    16. EHEvan Hafer1:05:14

        They can geek out on all the new gear and arrowheads and wade into the infinite, never-ending debate around bullshit, around cutting surface area and fucking, you know, mass and velocity, and, like, you'll never get tired-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:05:28

        Right

    18. EHEvan Hafer1:05:28

        ... because it's, like, full of its own little drama-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:29

        Mm-hmm

    20. EHEvan Hafer1:05:30

        ... and it's, like, a bunch of nerd shit that you can actually have a lot of fun with.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:33

        So much nerd shit.

    22. EHEvan Hafer1:05:34

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:34

        That's what people don't understand. You know, and they don't expect nerd shit, like, real complicated, technical nerd shit from archery.

    24. EHEvan Hafer1:05:42

        No.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:05:42

        You don't think of it that way, but it's like many things. Like, once you get into it, you realize, like, "Oh, this thing, there's a learning curve to this motherfucker. There's a lot involved." Like, when every one of my friends is like, "I wanna go bow hunting," I'm like, [exhales] "Do you really? Are you sure? Like, don't tell me you... Like, i-i-it's not that you gotta dive in off of a cliff."

    26. EHEvan Hafer1:06:05

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:06:05

        "This is not like, 'I'm gonna go dip my waters into bow hunting. I wanna go shoot an elk.' Like, Jesus Christ, do you know how hard that is to do? You have fucking... There's so many moving parts. There's so many things. You have to be able to be proficient under extreme stress. There's so much going on there, man. Don't tell me you wanna do that-

    28. EHEvan Hafer1:06:22

        Mm

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:06:22

        ... unless you, you gotta s- you gotta show me-

    30. EHEvan Hafer1:06:25

        Yeah, yeah, yeah
13. 1:13:25 – 1:22:16

    Building courage: Medal of Honor stories, quiet professionals, and classified Cold War missions

    1. EHEvan Hafer1:13:25

       And it's like, it's overused, but the level of endurance, like, and courage, when it's like, that trade alone, just trying to understand courage, like, w- who has it, who doesn't have it, and then the level of commitment to a mission or something bigger than yourself, it's, it's, it's the thing that I think about, uh, I'd say a huge percentage of, of the last several years. Especially, you know, as I get a little bit older, right, a little bit further away from the GWOT in-... I was with, um, uh, I'm doing a documentary on, um, Earl Plumlee. Do you know who that is?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:14:06

       No.

    3. EHEvan Hafer1:14:07

       Um, so he's a Medal of Honor recipient, former Green Beret. We were at the UFC fight with, um, Elliot Miller and Earl Plumlee. Early- Earl Plumlee is a, an incredibly humble guy, like, uh, just an amazing human. Like, you can sit here and talk to him, you'd never in a million years know that this guy had earned the Medal of Honor. Never. Like, because, one, he's never gonna tell you. [chuckles] Two, he's gonna ask you 100 questions about you and be way more fascinated with that. And two-- and three, you know, we were having this conversation, he's like: "Man, it belongs to the guys. Like, I didn't do anything. Like, it belongs to the guys. Like, the guys, any of the guys, if they wouldn't have been shot, would've done the same exact thing that I did." And I was like, "Man, that is an incredible statement from, you know, a guy that's sitting here." And so this documentary follows his path from joining the Marine Corps, which was literally where the, the judge... You know, those, those old stories of the guy that was, like, forced by the judge to join the-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:10

       Yeah

    5. EHEvan Hafer1:15:10

       ... the military or jail?

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:12

       Yeah.

    7. EHEvan Hafer1:15:12

       He literally has that. And it starts, he goes into, you know, the Marines, and then he's a Force Recon Marine, and, and he'd, he had gone through all the selections, and then he got out of the Marine Corps, joined the Army. And we follow his story through the eyes of his peers and his leaders, because w- uh, we wanted to see from his perspective, what do other people say about him through his entire journey? Not the story from his perspective. One, he'll never tell it the way that it's probably needs to be told. Two, what were the choices that he made throughout his professional life that made the man that was capable of such an incredible act of courage, that it warranted the highest medal, you know, uh, literally earned in the United States military? And that single word, courage, how do you build courageous people-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:16:07

       Yeah

    9. EHEvan Hafer1:16:07

       ... is a fascinating [chuckles] -

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:16:09

        It is.

    11. EHEvan Hafer1:16:10

        It's quite literally, it's such a fascinating subject, and most of it is, i- it's the, the man in the arena, right? It's, it's a poem from, from Teddy Roosevelt. It's like, it's not the critic who counts, it's like the keeping up, stepping back in, this commitment to something greater than yourself, and then making these thousands of choices in your life. Every day, as you wake up, step forward, step back into the fray, and, like, make the active decision to be better. And it's like... It's, it's such a fucking fundamental thing of being able to any, any part of your life, if you don't get up in the morning and, like, commit yourself to something, I'm not, you know, motivational speaker, but it's how are you ever gonna get better if you're not committing to something, like being a better dad or a better husband or a better, you know, better at your profession? And then committing to this evolutionary process takes a, a, not only a huge amount of commitment, but mental and physical endurance. It does. And I'm, I'm never gonna get tired of trying to figure this out because obviously, it's, it's like my peer set... I was having this conversation with, um, [lips smack] Jack Carr and I ran into the airport. Uh, we ran into each other at the airport on the way down here, and we were talking about-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:17:32

        Fucking love that guy.

    13. EHEvan Hafer1:17:32

        Fucking such a good dude. And it's, it's not just in the military, right? It's, it's not. It's just-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:17:40

        Yeah, in all of life.

    15. EHEvan Hafer1:17:41

        Yeah, all of life.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:17:42

        Yeah.

    17. EHEvan Hafer1:17:42

        It's a common thing.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:17:42

        You find exceptional people in all of life, and you can- they're fuel.

    19. EHEvan Hafer1:17:46

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:17:46

        Those people are fuel. And they, and they enhance the lives of the people around them, and then if you become one of those guys, you enhance the lives of the people around you, and then you feed off of them, and they feed off of you, and everybody feeds off of each other. And it's, it's so good for you to know that people like that are out there.

    21. EHEvan Hafer1:18:05

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:18:06

        That there's a guy like that, capable of incredible courage, and that how did he get there? What did he do? What did... Yeah, how did he become the man he is right now? Because, goddamn, that's an admirable man. So how do you- how do I-

    23. EHEvan Hafer1:18:17

        How do you get there?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:18:18

        Yeah.

    25. EHEvan Hafer1:18:19

        It's... And there's all these stories. I, like, we, Jack and I were talking about, um, 'cause, you know, the Navy SEALs, obviously, they've got a lot of, of positive, uh, PR over the last several years, but this, the Special Operations community has got so much just, I don't know, airtime, right? But there are all these other people in the military throughout, you know, generations of war fighters that have gone out and done these incredibly hard jobs. And I, I found this story of the Parche, which is the USS Parche, which is the most decorated submarine and ship in Navy history. They have nine Presidential citations. It's the most decorated group of men in the US Navy, like, in modern history, and everything they've done is still classified.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:19:06

        Whoa!

    27. EHEvan Hafer1:19:07

        It's a Cold War-era nuclear submarine that was modified and pul- ultimately tasked out by the CIA to go out and do collection. And they were the guys that hundreds of feet down, they would land on the bottom of, of the ocean, and the, uh, Soviets had these military communication lines that were basically hard lines that would go under a bay, so they could communicate back and forth, and they've- they felt like they were secure. And one of their jobs, which is... I've, I've never been able to see anything, uh, you know, declassified, but the stories that are out there, these guys would land on the bottom of the ocean, send out divers at hundreds of feet, and these guys would hook listening devices on those lines, hundreds of feet down, like, in cold, dark water. Can you imagine, dude? Like, you're out-... in 400 feet or 300 feet of water, pitch black, you can't see anything, and your job is to go and put a listening device on a Soviet communication line in 1986 [chuckles] or whatever it was?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:20:13

        Whoa!

    29. EHEvan Hafer1:20:13

        And you're in enemy territory, so if you get discovered, you're dead. And none of these guys, that's the incredible thing, none of these guys have ever said anything about it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:20:26

        Wow!
14. 1:22:16 – 1:28:43

    Living behind a closed door: CIA life, DC status games, and why people overshare secrets

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:22:16

       You have to have the right wife.

    2. EHEvan Hafer1:22:17

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:22:19

       If you don't have a woman that can understand that, that becomes a real problem. [chuckles]

    4. EHEvan Hafer1:22:23

       Yeah, I'm sure a lot of them ended up in divorce.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:22:25

       Oh, yeah.

    6. EHEvan Hafer1:22:25

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:22:26

       Well, you know, that was part of the Bob Lazar story. The Bob Lazar was the guy that worked-

    8. EHEvan Hafer1:22:30

       Yeah, mm-hmm

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:22:30

       ... at Area 51.

    10. EHEvan Hafer1:22:31

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:22:31

        He couldn't tell his wife what he was doing, and they would call him at, like, 10:00 pm, uh, "There's a flight for you that leaves at 11:15. Be at the airport," you know, and he had to leave. And he would tell his wife, "I gotta go to work." And she's like, "It's 11 o'clock at night." He's like, "I have to go to work." "What are you doing?" He's like, "I can't talk about it." 'Cause all his phones were bugged, everything was bugged.

    12. EHEvan Hafer1:22:51

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:22:52

        So his wife is like, "This motherfucker's cheating on me." She, she, she starts fucking her flight instructor. [laughing]

    14. EHEvan Hafer1:22:57

        [chuckles]

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:22:57

        And that's one of the reasons why they removed him from his duties, because they're like, "This guy's gonna be unstable. We have to see how he handles this, because he's in- involved in this top-secret back engineering of a flying saucer program-

    16. EHEvan Hafer1:23:12

        Right, right

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:23:12

        ... allegedly. And we have to, uh, you know, keep an eye on this motherfucker because he, he can't be mentally unstable and have this kind of responsibility." 'Cause he couldn't tell her.

    18. EHEvan Hafer1:23:23

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:23:23

        Couldn't tell her anything.

    20. EHEvan Hafer1:23:25

        He can't tell anybody.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:23:26

        Yeah.

    22. EHEvan Hafer1:23:27

        Right.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:23:27

        And then eventually, he took her to the, the, the sites where he could... He, he explained to everybody when he thought that his life was in danger and that he was getting fired. When things started getting sideways, like, "People need to know about this," he took her out there and he showed her, but he was, he didn't know that she was fucking some other guy by that, by that time.

    24. EHEvan Hafer1:23:42

        That's so unfortunate.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:23:43

        Unfortunate.

    26. EHEvan Hafer1:23:44

        Like-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:23:44

        Yeah.

    28. EHEvan Hafer1:23:45

        "Look at... This is what I'm doing." I wonder if that actually would-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:23:47

        I wonder if she's like, "Fuck-

    30. EHEvan Hafer1:23:48

        "Fuck"
15. 1:28:43 – 1:59:02

    Frauds, fighters, and the making of Joe Rogan: McDojos, brain damage, and stand-up origins

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:28:43

       Well, that's the thing about important people that have achieved a high level of success. Everybody wants to pretend they're that.

    2. EHEvan Hafer1:28:49

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:28:50

       There's a lot of people that wanna pretend they're that person because it's so hard to become that person, but it's... Y- you can convince a lot of people that don't know any better that you are. That was a big thing with martial arts, big thing with martial arts. It was a b- in, especially in the '80s. Well, so in the '80s, when I first started, no one knew anything. It wasn't like today. Today, if you get in a street fight, if you're a high school kid, and you get in a street fight with another high school kid, there's a high likelihood that that kid knows how to leg kick.

    4. EHEvan Hafer1:29:22

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:29:22

       He might know a, a, a blast double. He might know an arm triangle. You might get fucked up. Like, they might know how to fight. Back then, no one knew how to fight. It was very rare. There was, like, one kid who knew how to box. It was always the wrestling team, which were the most-

    6. EHEvan Hafer1:29:34

       Yeah

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:29:34

       ... dangerous people.

    8. EHEvan Hafer1:29:35

       Yep.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:29:35

       Those guys were the worst. Those guys were the- they were the hardest motherfuckers in the school, always. And I didn't even realize that until I started wrestling. I was like: "I'm amongst these fucking elite killers, and they're just walking around with everybody like they're normal." And you realize the level of commitment and dedication involved in being a, an elite high school wrestler, just a high school wrestler, it's fucking off the charts. These kids were going to camps, uh, all through the summer. They would get sent off to wrestling camp. They were training year-round, and I just hopped in on my sophomore year. I, I did one season of wrestling, and I was like: "This is crazy!" Like, the level... I, I had no idea. I was hanging around with these people.

    10. EHEvan Hafer1:30:15

        [laughing]

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:30:15

        I thought they were normal people. They were like kids that were like little soldiers.

    12. EHEvan Hafer1:30:19

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:30:19

        Like, all of them, thick-necked, little fucking soldiers. And you realize, like, wow. It, like, opened my eyes, like, Jesus, there's these people around. And they were never even considered martial artists until the UFC. They... Nobody really understood, unless they actually did wrestling, how helpless the average person is with an elite wrestler. You have no chance. Like, z-

    14. EHEvan Hafer1:30:40

        Yeah

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:30:40

        ... it's not like, oh, maybe you'll be able to hit him before he takes you down. Eh, eh, nope, no chance.

    16. EHEvan Hafer1:30:46

        Mm-mm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:30:46

        He's gonna chew on you.

    18. EHEvan Hafer1:30:47

        Yeah. [chuckles]

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:30:47

        He's gonna pop in- you have no chance.

    20. EHEvan Hafer1:30:49

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:30:49

        You have zero chance. But there was always a bunch of guys who were pretending they were martial arts experts. It was, oh, it was a really common thing. And then you would talk to them like: "Where do you train? What do you, what do you do?" And i- i- it was always some guy who, like, learned some myst- There was one guy. This guy actually wound up getting arrested, uh, for murder, and he's in jail right now. Yeah, he had, uh, lied to everybody and told them that he was a Brazilian jujitsu black belt, [tsks] and, uh, he was even teaching people, and he knew almost nothing. And it, this is like in the early, early 2000s, I guess, like, the late '90s, early 2000s, and it was just starting to catch on. Like, people were just starting to understand the depth of martial arts because of the UFC, but it hadn't really gone mainstream until about 2005.

    22. EHEvan Hafer1:31:36

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:31:36

        And this guy, uh, w- was telling everybody he was a Brazilian jujitsu black belt, and then Eddie Bravo trained with him. And Eddie came back to me, and he's like: "Man, something's wrong." You know, like, "This guy is terrible. He didn't know shit." And, and he's like... And I was like: "Really?" He goes: "Yeah, I think he's a fake. I think he's a fraud." And he wound up con- c- confronting this guy, and then the guy wound up, uh, he was banging some guy's wife and wound up luring the guy back to his karate school and killing him.

    24. EHEvan Hafer1:32:05

        [chuckles] What?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:32:06

        Yeah, yeah. And he went to jail, and, uh, he's in jail right now, but he had a fake name.... his name was Raphael Torri. That was his fake name, but his real name was, like, Ralph something or other, and, uh, he's in jail right now for murder.

    26. EHEvan Hafer1:32:19

        That's a- but that's a super funny character, right?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:32:21

        Mm-hmm.

    28. EHEvan Hafer1:32:21

        Not that guy, but it's a-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:32:23

        But a fake black belt

    30. EHEvan Hafer1:32:23

        ... but a fake martial artist.
16. 1:59:02 – 2:11:40

    Masters of comedy and the Austin shift: Ron White, the club, and leaving LA

    1. EHEvan Hafer1:59:02

       He... The funny thing is, is DeVito's still funny.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:59:05

       Yeah!

    3. EHEvan Hafer1:59:06

       Like, like he's still funny. Like, I mean, like the, the way that it- he lands jokes, I mean, Always Sunny-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:59:13

       Oh, yeah

    5. EHEvan Hafer1:59:13

       ... how many seasons is that? Like 20 now? I don't know. But I mean, it's crazy.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:59:17

       How many fucking-

    7. EHEvan Hafer1:59:18

       Like-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:59:18

       ... like, things has he done?

    9. EHEvan Hafer1:59:20

       I don't know.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:59:21

        Taxi to Oh, Taxi was when I was a boy-

    11. EHEvan Hafer1:59:23

        Yeah

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:59:24

        ... to Always Sunny.

    13. EHEvan Hafer1:59:25

        That was the thing my dad used to watch.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:59:27

        Yeah.

    15. EHEvan Hafer1:59:27

        And, like, my dad seems old. My dad's 80 years old, right?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:59:30

        [laughs]

    17. EHEvan Hafer1:59:30

        My dad used to watch that. Right, like-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:59:32

        How old is Danny DeVito?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:59:34

        81.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:59:35

        81.

    21. EHEvan Hafer1:59:35

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:59:36

        Still banging it out.

    23. EHEvan Hafer1:59:37

        Still fucking killing it, man.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:59:38

        Still funny.

    25. EHEvan Hafer1:59:39

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:59:39

        Yeah.

    27. EHEvan Hafer1:59:39

        I mean, how old's... I, I'm not trying to equate Ron White to Danny, but I'm saying, like, how old's Ron? 'Cause he's still killing it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:59:45

        70?

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:59:46

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:59:46

        Yeah.
17. 2:11:40 – 2:16:55

    Taxes, sports attention, and why combat sports feel different

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:11:40

       Did you see what they just did to the guys that won the Super Bowl? Did you see the jock tax?

    2. EHEvan Hafer2:11:45

       Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:11:46

       Jamie, you see the jock tax?

    4. SPSpeaker2:11:47

       Yeah, it's not a new thing, though.

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:11:49

       I understand.

    6. EHEvan Hafer2:11:49

       It's not?

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:11:50

       I understand.

    8. EHEvan Hafer2:11:51

       Oh.

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:11:51

       But the t- but it is... It's specific to California.

    10. SPSpeaker2:11:55

        Yeah, I know.

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:11:55

        And this jock tax in California, um, there were s- some of the players m- lost money playing in the Super Bowl.

    12. SPSpeaker2:12:03

        That is not true. [chuckles]

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:12:04

        They had to pay... Oh, no, no, it is true.

    14. SPSpeaker2:12:05

        I don't think so.

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:12:06

        No, no, it is true. I've- I ran it through AI last night.

    16. SPSpeaker2:12:09

        Ah, I don't...

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:12:10

        No, it was in G- they, they pulled it up on Grok-

    18. SPSpeaker2:12:12

        I know

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:12:13

        ... and people analyzed it.

    20. SPSpeaker2:12:14

        Ah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:12:14

        And it's based... No, no, Jamie.

    22. SPSpeaker2:12:16

        I'm just-

    23. JRJoe Rogan2:12:16

        It's ba- Jamie-

    24. SPSpeaker2:12:17

        I-

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:12:17

        ... it's based on the seven days that they had to be there. So you have to pay a fee based on the seven days, dependent upon what your salary is.

    26. SPSpeaker2:12:26

        They played a game there in-

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:12:27

        So it's a percentage

    28. SPSpeaker2:12:28

        ... January, though, too.

    29. JRJoe Rogan2:12:30

        Okay.

    30. EHEvan Hafer2:12:31

        It'll be this year.
18. 2:16:55 – 2:44:04

    Epstein files and elite immunity: redactions, acid orders, and separating fact from influence games

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:16:55

       Who knows what fucking happens with all this Epstein file shit? It just keeps getting crazier and crazier and crazier, and deeper and deeper. And so, uh, Ro Khanna and Massey just released the names of these guys that had been redacted from the list, and one of them is Lex Wek- what is his last name?

    2. SPSpeaker2:17:15

       Less.

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:17:15

       Less Wexner, right, who's the CEO of, uh, Victoria's Secrets. Is he the CEO or the owner?

    4. SPSpeaker2:17:23

       Former CEO, but, or both.

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:17:24

       Former s-

    6. EHEvan Hafer2:17:25

       Both.

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:17:26

       Former owner, CEO of Victoria's Secrets. He's being named as a co-conspirator now.

    8. EHEvan Hafer2:17:31

       What?

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:17:31

       Yes. Yeah, so he's being named, along with Ghislaine Maxwell-

    10. EHEvan Hafer2:17:36

        Mm

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:17:36

        ... and Jeffrey Epstein. He, because, you know, he runs this modeling through Victoria's Secrets-

    12. EHEvan Hafer2:17:42

        Right

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:17:42

        ... hot girls, the whole deal. Somehow or another, he's involved in this, and they had redacted his name up until now, right?

    14. SPSpeaker2:17:49

        Pretty sure, yeah. Uh, that I d- well, two things: I don't think anybody... uh, the, his existence as a co-conspirator is n- new information.

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:17:58

        But it's confirmed now, right?

    16. SPSpeaker2:18:00

        It was... People, I think, are up in arms is that it wasn't supposed to be blocked out from the files-

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:18:04

        Exactly

    18. SPSpeaker2:18:05

        ... because he's, uh, not a victim.

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:18:07

        Right, he's not a victim, so why was his name redacted?

    20. SPSpeaker2:18:09

        Right. Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:18:09

        And so they got it unredacted, and now he's being named.

    22. SPSpeaker2:18:13

        I think he's the fun- the funder of most of it, is what I've seen.

    23. EHEvan Hafer2:18:15

        What?

    24. JRJoe Rogan2:18:16

        Right.

    25. SPSpeaker2:18:16

        Which was in charge of this whole-

    26. JRJoe Rogan2:18:16

        So people knew that there was something going on, but he had gifted Jeffrey Epstein this insane house in Manhattan. So this is, like, a $60 million house in Manhattan. You know, the house where you go into it, and you see Bill Clinton in a dress?

    27. EHEvan Hafer2:18:31

        Yeah, yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan2:18:32

        You know that picture that we have out in the lobby?

    29. EHEvan Hafer2:18:33

        Yeah. Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:18:34

        That's from the foyer-

Episode duration: 2:54:10