Joe Rogan Experience #2455 - Donnell Rawlings

1. 0:02 – 4:31

   Red meat, Tito’s & tonic, and getting older digestion-wise

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

   2. SPSpeaker0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Trainer by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Really? Red meat.

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings0:13

      It's unfortunate. That's just-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      In any form?

   6. DRDonnell Rawlings0:17

      You know, like, I've... I know it's weird. If I eat a burger, it's different if I eat a steak.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Steak is a problem?

   8. DRDonnell Rawlings0:25

      Yeah, I don't know if my digestive system just, like, you too old to fucking, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      How old are you?

   10. DRDonnell Rawlings0:30

       bust this down. I'm 58.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       I- I'm 58, too. I eat mostly meat. I don't think it's age.

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings0:37

       What is it, then?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Well, what are you eating it with?

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings0:41

       Uh, Titos. We rolling?

   15. SPSpeaker0:43

       Uh-huh.

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings0:43

       Titos. Titos and tonic.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Titos Vodka?

   18. DRDonnell Rawlings0:46

       Well, it can't be that, right? [laughing]

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       [laughing]

   20. DRDonnell Rawlings0:47

       No, T- [laughing] Titos, I'm eating a steak, and I wash it down-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       You just eat, [laughing] you eat steak with Titos?

   22. DRDonnell Rawlings0:53

       I eat a steak, and I wa- and I wash it down with Titos and tonic 'cause it's r- it resembles H2O so much, sometime I get thrown off until I do it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       What? [laughing]

   24. DRDonnell Rawlings1:00

       Yeah, I think I'm gonna-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Titos and tonic resembles water?

   26. DRDonnell Rawlings1:03

       The look of it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       The look of it.

   28. DRDonnell Rawlings1:05

       It's clear.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       That's all it matters to you?

   30. DRDonnell Rawlings1:07

       Yeah.
2. 4:31 – 6:47

   Exercise, drinking, cigarettes—and the ‘get your body right’ debate

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:31

      Do you exercise at all?

   2. DRDonnell Rawlings4:33

      A little bit. Usually, during sexual intercourse is when I get my-

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      [laughing]

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings4:36

      ... most of my cardio.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:37

      Get your push-ups in? [laughing]

   6. DRDonnell Rawlings4:38

      Yeah, [laughing] and it's not as strong. Damn, man, you ever get... I don't know if this apply to everybody. You get to a age where you start looking at your history, and you like: "Damn, 2000 was my best years." Like, right now, I'll just give up.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:54

      You give up?

   8. DRDonnell Rawlings4:55

      I don't put no pressure in it. I give up. I start asking, like, "What's your shoe sizes?" or whatever. I'd rather go shopping than to really try to-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:02

      [laughing]

   10. DRDonnell Rawlings5:02

       ... pound somebody out for three hours.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       [laughing]

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings5:04

       I'm at that age now where I have... I call it, um, certain times, like, you gonna get a work- good workout-

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       I probably shouldn't given you that gum.

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings5:13

       It's gonna-

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       That gum's gonna be a real problem on the microphone.

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings5:15

       Is it... Is it... [mouth open] Oh, okay. I-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:18

       People, people are gonna get annoyed with you.

   18. SPSpeaker5:20

       Yeah, as long as you can tell.

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings5:20

       All right. I don't know what to do. [laughing]

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Just chew it a little and spit it out.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings5:24

       Okay.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       You'll get the effects of it pretty quickly anyway.

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings5:27

       I'm at the age where my best work is, like, holidays.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       Holidays?

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings5:32

       Like, I'm, I'm an animal.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:34

       Why don't you hire a trainer? You got some money.

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings5:39

       And what are the trainer gonna do that-

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:40

       Get you in shape.

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings5:41

       I think I need a therapist before I get a trainer. [laughing]

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       [laughing]
3. 6:47 – 9:59

   Nicotine as a ‘cognitive enhancer’ and the American Spirit ‘natural’ marketing myth

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings6:47

      I saw one of your podcasts. I forget how you explained what made you not want to smoke anymore. What was that?

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:56

      Well, cigarettes are a cognitive enhancer. They are. It's a fact.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings7:01

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:01

      Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. There's no doubt about it, it's a fact. And it does things to, to your mind. It stimulates your mind in a way that-

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings7:10

      [clears throat]

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:10

      ... very few other things do. That's why a lot of intellectuals, a lot of professors use nicotine. A lot of academics use nicotine. A lot of people that rely on their brain use it. A lot of writers use nicotine, and there's different delivery methods that have different effects. Unfortunately, smoking has a very potent, instantaneous effect, uh, and that's why people like it, but it comes with a cost.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings7:32

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:33

      You know, the, the physical health, you know, repercussions of cigarettes are well known.

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings7:38

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       Not good. And also, you're, you're smoking Marlboros. There's a... We had a doctor on the other day-

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings7:43

       Lights

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       ... that thinks that, um-

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings7:45

       Marlboro Lights. Don't just-

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       ... regular cigarettes are not nearly, like, American Spirits are not nearly as bad for you as, uh, these.

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings7:52

       I understand they have some type of... Uh, the, the American Spirits, I'm not even, like, advocating for what you should, shouldn't smoke, but they're supposed- they say that's supposed to be the most natural, if there's such a thing.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       It's just tobacco, I believe. Is that a fact?

   17. SPSpeaker8:04

       Nope.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       No? What's in there besides tobacco?

   19. SPSpeaker8:07

       I don't know. I've been trying to... They're, they got... I don't know how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued for the advertising of saying it's additive-free and all that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Oh, did they?

   21. SPSpeaker8:15

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       What, what are the additives?

   23. SPSpeaker8:17

       I've not decided. I've definitely looked the ingredients on it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       Well, let's look into it.

   25. SPSpeaker8:19

       I've tried to look. I mean, there's a big... Here's, like, the website about the lawsuit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       What's the accusation?

   27. SPSpeaker8:25

       That, uh... Here you go. It's on the screen.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       Here we go. "Lawsuit questions natural claims. Natural American Spirit cigarettes are made by Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company and parent company Reynolds American, R.J. Reynolds." They fuck with you. "American Spirits has been sold in the US since 1985, purch- under the original name, Original American Spirit." Do, do-do, do-da, organic. Oh, you got us, you fucks. Um, "Unadulterated tobacco. Suit claims such marketing language has endeared American Spirit cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes them a healthier alternative. Despite cigarette sales declining 17% between 2009 and 2014, American Spirit sales have increased 86% over the same period." Huzzah! Uh, "A regulatory filing on the Reynolds American website states, 'American Spirit is the leading super premium cigarette brand that is a top 10 best-selling cigarette brand, priced higher than most other competitive brands, and is differentiated from key competitors through its use of all-natural, additive-free tobacco, including styles made with organic tobacco.' But words like "all-natural" and "additive-free" on American Spirits labeling, the suit says, belies the fact that Santa Fe Reynolds adds ammonia to their cigarettes-

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings9:40

       Damn!

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       ... to maximize the amount of nicotine a smoker receives, with the result that American Spirits contain significantly more freebase nicotine than other major cigarette brands." Mm.
4. 9:59 – 13:23

   Menthol cigarettes, community targeting, and why ‘Kool’ was called Kool

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings9:59

      And Newport's probably, like, 10 times worse than... Uh, menthol cigarettes are probably 10 times worse to, for your body than-

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:06

      I was talking to Cat about that. I was like-

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings10:08

      Cat Williams?

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:08

      Yeah, I was asking him, like, "Why, why do you like menthols?" And he's like, uh... He was speaking on behalf of the Black community. He said, "W- we like things that are more potent."

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings10:19

      I believe that that's possibly part of it, but I also believe that back in the day, and this apply... I don't know if I talked about this, it was certain brands that targeted certain communities-

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:27

      100%

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings10:27

      ... just for the loyalty of it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:29

      Yeah.

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings10:29

      And I think Newports was targeted. I don't know if it was a situation where Newport came out, they were spending more ad money with advertising and everything, 'cause I, I don't know if I shared this story with you, but um, uh, Pepsi was a company that did that, where they targeted the Black community. So I think even though, I understand when you said more potent, but I think it was something that was in our community, whether that was, like, cheaper prices or whatever, and I think it's generation to generation. Like, "You need to do this, because Black people did this because it was cheaper or whatever." I think that that might be the case with Newport.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       Probably both.

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings10:58

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       Probably both. What is the, the menthol effect? What, what is the, what is the difference in the way a menthol cigarette is?

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings11:04

       I know when I smoke menthol, I s- I sound like Cat Williams the next day.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       [laughing]

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings11:08

       They ruin... That's one of the reasons I had to downgrade to, like... Some people think that I started smoking Marlboro Lights 'cause I started dating white women, which is more-

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:16

       [chuckles]

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings11:16

       ... appealing. Unless you date a white woman from the Midwest, then she probably smoking Newports and drinking Pepsis and Coca-Cola just like you.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       [laughing]

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings11:23

       But I think that pa- But I got so many bad habits that I need to change.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:32

       Here we go, and our sponsor, our AI sponsor, Perplexity, says: "The menthol effect of cigarettes come from the chemical menthol itself, which is added as a flavoring and a sensory agent to the tobacco. Menthol is naturally found in peppermint and other mint plants. It could also be made synthetically in a lab. Menthol activates cold-sensitive nerve receptors in the mouth, throat, and airways, creating a cooling sensation when you inhale smoke. It's a mild anest- a mild anesthetic, numbing effect that reduces pain and irritation from hot, harsh cigarette smoke, making it feel smoother. Menthol can suppress the cough reflex and dull early warnings or, ea- early warning signs of airway irritation, which make it easier to inhale more deeply and more often."... menthol reduces the perceived harshness of nicotine and smoke. Uh, the minty taste and smell, plus the cooling feel, act as a pleasant sensory cues that many smokers come to associate with satisfaction and craving. Menthol can alter nicotine metabolism and the way nicotine acts on brain receptors, which may increase nicotine's reinforcing addictive effects. In short, the menthol effect is not from nicotine, but from added menthol, which cools and numbs the airways, max- masks the irritation, and can make cigarettes feel smoother and more addictive without making them any safer.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings12:49

       So menthol cigarettes appeal to Black people because it's a cool cigarette.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:54

       It's cool.

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings12:55

       That's what-

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       It's cooling

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings12:56

       ... now it makes so much sense why the brand Kool cigarette, 'cause it makes you... That makes sense.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       Right, that's why they called it Kool, I bet.

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings13:02

       Damn, what white people do to destroy my community, man.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:05

       Destroy everybody.

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings13:06

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:06

       They don't give a fuck about anybody.
5. 13:23 – 17:45

   Prison ‘economy’ talk: cigarettes, Tang, honey buns, and coded trades

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings13:23

      In jail.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:24

      Only in jail?

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings13:25

      I think that, I think... I don't know what the, [laughing]

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:28

      [laughing]

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings13:28

      -the ratio, the ratios, what, what cigarette gets you more money in a dice game. But whenever I hear people telling war stories, they like, "Man, I got a pack... I got a carton of Kools for a bag of Doritos or something." But the value of a Kool cigarette is, is, is higher in, in prison.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:45

      Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison? That's crazy. It's like the only drug you can get in prison.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings13:50

      Yeah, and those, the-

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:51

      You can't get alcohol, right?

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings13:53

      Well, you can get hooch. Well, you can't-

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       Right

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings13:55

       ... get alcohol, but they make their own type of-

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       But you... It's all under the table.

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings13:59

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:59

       Yeah.

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings14:00

       But I think in prison, the things that hold the most value, I think it's Tang, right? It's that, uh, artificial-flavored drink you do. I think that it's-

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       Astronaut shit.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings14:13

       Yep. Cigarettes, Doritos. I heard honey buns hold their value, and I heard candy bar. But candy bars, you gotta be particular with that, you... 'Cause if you offer... This is what I hear. If you offer a person a certain amount of candy bars, then what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:34

       Interesting.

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings14:34

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:35

       Candy bars.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings14:35

       Yeah, like, you... I don't think you wanna-

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       Do you want some candy bars?

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings14:38

       I don't-

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       And that's like code.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings14:39

       Yeah, it's like candy bars.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:40

       Like Pizzagate-

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings14:41

       Yeah

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:41

       ... with pizza.

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings14:42

       Mr. Goodbar, for his good bar.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       Oh, okay.
6. 17:45 – 22:51

   Salt vs. sugar: health myths, diabetes, and why soda is the real villain

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings17:45

      But I will say this: as much as, you know, community make fun of, um, white people and their lack of seasoning, th- that can save your life.

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:56

      Lack of seasoning can save your life?

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings17:58

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:58

      How so?

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings17:59

      When you think about... You look at somebody, one of the, the most, the country, uh, uh, home-cooked soul food spot, the one ingredient that's in everything that you taste right off the rip is salt. How good is salt for you?

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:13

      Salt's not bad for you at all. It's all bullshit.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings18:14

      Then why do we think salt is bad for us?

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:16

      It's all bullshit. If you're feeling a little off, it's okay. It's February. Everybody feels a little off in February. It's darker, it's colder. You probably already gave up on some New Year's resolutions.... but you don't have to wait till spring to get yourself right again. It all starts with making small changes to your routine, and one of those is AG1. It's not some big, dramatic reset. It's one small thing that you could do every morning to keep consistent when everything else is chaos. One scoop, done. AG1 can help support your energy, your gut health, and can support you through the darker evenings. It gives that foundational support from morning to night, and it all comes down to getting your daily nutrition. There's more than 75 ingredients, including antioxidants, minerals, probiotics, and functional mushrooms to support your immune health and overall health. And this is the time of year when it can really help. If you want to check it out, go to drinkag1.com/rogan, and you'll get three AG1 travel packs, vitamin D3 plus K2, and other gifts free in your welcome kit with your first subscription. That's drinkag1.com/rogan. All right. Salt is an essential mineral.

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings19:29

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:29

       You need salt to survive. Salt is not the problem. They associate salt with high blood pressure, salt with this, salt with... It's not true. It's bullshit.

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings19:38

       What type of salt? Is it a different salt?

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:39

       Is it-

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings19:40

       Is it like-

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:40

       No, it's not. Salt's not bad for you. Well, the, first of all, there's iodized salt, which is actually good for you 'cause it contains iodine. They add iodine to it-

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings19:48

       Mm

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:48

       ... which is good for you. But salt is not a bad thing. I mean, you shouldn't have too much salt.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings19:54

       So why do my-

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:54

       Look, salt, if you eat... Look, if you eat enough salt, Joe, you could die.

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings19:57

       Joe, you can't be the person to educate me on this. So all of these years-

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:00

       It's a, it's a total-

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings20:01

       ... these people getting their toes chopped off, amputated.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:05

       That's not why.

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings20:06

       It's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       That's not why. If you're getting diabetes, it's usually from sugar.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings20:09

       Okay.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:09

       You know, there's been a lot of misinformation that's spread because of a- actual scientists that were bribed by the, the sugar industry.

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings20:19

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:19

       So the sugar industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard scientists... It was Harvard, right? I believe it was. They didn't even give them a lot of money. Uh, was it the 1950s or 1960s, Jamie? Do you remember? W- So this has all been outed now, but what they did was they tried to associate saturated fat and, and foods with saturated fat with being responsible for heart disease.

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings20:42

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:42

       And they did that to try to get the blame off of sugar, 'cause sugar is fucking terrible for you. It's terrible in, in basically every way, especially added sugar.
7. 22:51 – 27:10

   Adam & Eve wasn’t necessarily an apple: Bible translation, belief, and meaning

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings22:51

      Apples were bad for Adam.

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:53

      Uh, I don't even know if it was an apple.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings22:56

      It was an apple.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:56

      It was a fruit.

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings22:57

      It was an apple.

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:58

      It was a fruit from the tree of knowledge, the tree of good-

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings23:00

      It was an apple.

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:01

      Uh...

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings23:02

      It was an apple.

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:03

       But it wasn't an apple tree. What it- what specifically does the Bible refer to as the fruit that-

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings23:08

       Adam and Eve. Adam, Eve-

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:09

       You know the truth?

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings23:10

       What?

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:11

       Eve never talked to God. Adam talked to God. Adam told God not to eat the fruit. There's nowhere in the Bible does it say that Adam went and told Eve.

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings23:21

       This is why we should start not just shutting women down to listening to them. [laughing] It all start, is all biblical.

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       Genesis does not specifically... specify, rather, what kind of fruit Adam ate, only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Yeah, so it's not necessarily an apple. We call it an apple. Uh, the text never names the species, apple, fig, et cetera. The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning fruit, without a botanical detail. Where the apple idea came from, over time, Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates, including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others. Now, common idea is that an apple developed later in European tradition, helped by wordplay in Latin and Old French, where the words evil and apple or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly. So it's not necessarily an apple.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings24:15

       I really don't know what to believe-

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:17

       Well-

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings24:17

       ... and I feel like I get so much more information when I come here.

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:20

       Yeah. [chuckles]

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings24:20

       I don't know if people understand that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:22

       Well, the crazy thing is that, I mean, I, I've found this out recently, because I've actually been reading the Bible, that the, there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve, "You're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant, uh, with, with the knowledge of good and evil."

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings24:38

       ... I never knew that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:39

       Yeah.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings24:40

       I just know that-

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:40

       It's just, Adam just-

   27. DRDonnell Rawlings24:42

       There was a white woman with an apple, and the shit got fucked up after that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:44

       What happened was God created Adam... This is what Genesis says: God created Adam, and then told Adam, "Go and name all the animals." And then when he was done with that, Adam made Eve.

   29. DRDonnell Rawlings24:55

       Hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:55

       But he never said... It never says in the Bible, Adam told Eve, "Do not eat the apple."
8. 27:10 – 29:33

   Megachurches and the lottery: legalized predation, desperation, and ‘the house always wins’

   1. DRDonnell Rawlings27:10

      And then with that, with these, like, uh, Drewski just did a, a, a skit that went viral, right? And it was like he was making fun of the megachurches and everything. But these churches, like, they give these people something to believe in, make them feel better, and they're charging people. Do you think that there should be a separation? If I, if I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to wanna do something and change your life and b- be, uh, more financially secure, do you think these people are entitled to, like... Okay, almost like agencies. If I get you to work or get you this, should you hit me off? Or the megachurches, is it so wrong for people just to pour all their money into them, or are they giving these people something to believe in? If that's the case, do I supposed to get a piece of that?

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:53

      I think they're preying on people's need to believe in things.

   3. DRDonnell Rawlings27:56

      Right.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:56

      And I think they're very predatory, and I think that's why they're flying private jets and driving Rolls-Royces and living in mega mansions on giant ranches, and they're doing it all off of donations of people that are barely getting by. That's a lot of it. You know, I think it's a scam that's legal. I think if we were a just and righteous society, it wouldn't be legal.

   5. DRDonnell Rawlings28:17

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan28:17

      I mean, it's... You're taking advantage of people when they need something to believe in, and you're asking for all their money. Like, I remember I was watching this guy on TV once. Like, televangelists are the worst, and this guy was saying that if you are broke, you should borrow money to donate it to the church, and it will be paid back to you tenfold.

   7. DRDonnell Rawlings28:40

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:40

      That God will pay you back tenfold. And then he had all these examples of people that did it, and they would call in and say, "I, I was $1,000 in debt," and this and that, "but I borrowed $100, and I donated it to you, and now all of a sudden, I drive a Rolls-Royce." And it's all horseshit, you know?

   9. DRDonnell Rawlings28:54

      But those are all desperate, desperate people.

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:58

       Desperate people.

   11. DRDonnell Rawlings28:58

       Those are the same people that-

   12. JRJoe Rogan28:59

       Yeah

   13. DRDonnell Rawlings29:00

       ... I'm gonna spend $30 on the lottery every day for, like, fucking 50 years and don't know how much time-

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:04

       That's another scam.

   15. DRDonnell Rawlings29:05

       Yeah, the lottery.

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:05

       That's another scam. Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery: Not only does... Like, say, if everyone pumps money into the lottery. Say, you, you buy $100 worth of tickets, and Jamie buys $100 worth of tickets, and I buy $100, so there's $300 in the lottery.

   17. DRDonnell Rawlings29:21

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:21

       There's not even $300 available-

   19. DRDonnell Rawlings29:23

       To pay you back

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:24

       ... to win.

   21. DRDonnell Rawlings29:24

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:25

       So and then if you win, you don't get all the money. You get the money over a long period of time.

   23. DRDonnell Rawlings29:31

       But they always give you options, but-

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:32

       Right, right, right.

   25. DRDonnell Rawlings29:33

       Yeah.

9. 29:33 – 40:15

   Epstein lottery story, mob laundering, and ‘snitches get stitches’ across cultures

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:33

      But if you, if you take the second option, it's a significantly... Like, here's a good example of it. Speaking of the Epstein files, his-

   2. DRDonnell Rawlings29:40

      What do you mean, speaking of the Epstein files?

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:41

      ... company, Zorro Trust. [laughing]

   4. DRDonnell Rawlings29:44

      [laughing] I didn't like that transition. You looked me right in my eyes and said, "Speaking of the Epstein files."

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:48

      Well, Epstein, we were talking about it before the podcast.

   6. DRDonnell Rawlings29:50

      No, you were talking about-

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:51

      Epstein came to see you.

   8. DRDonnell Rawlings29:52

      No, Epstein did not fucking come to see me.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:54

      They came... They loved your show.

   10. DRDonnell Rawlings29:55

       D- yo-

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:55

       He was your... He was a number-one fan.

   12. DRDonnell Rawlings29:57

       First of all-

   13. JRJoe Rogan29:58

       [laughing]

   14. DRDonnell Rawlings29:59

       ... I, I never, I've never-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:00

       He came to w- you don't know. Look, he, they came to West Palm Improv because you're a famous comedian, and you were playing in the town where he lived.

   16. DRDonnell Rawlings30:09

       So what are you saying?

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:09

       Nothing. But what I'm saying is that-

   18. DRDonnell Rawlings30:11

       I'm on... I'm actually-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:12

       What I'm saying is Epstein won the lottery. His company, Zorro Trust, won an $80 million lottery, and then they paid... They, they took the payoff, and the payoff was only $30 million.

   20. DRDonnell Rawlings30:24

       What you mean $80 million from a ticket, or you mean in, with, in comp- corporation? What do you mean when you say won eight-

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       They... His company bought a ticket for the lottery.

   22. DRDonnell Rawlings30:31

       Oh, really?

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       The... Yes, Zorro Trust, which is his company. They won the lottery, which is very suspicious. Not only that, he won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for fucking kids-

   24. DRDonnell Rawlings30:41

       Right

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       ... or having sex or whatever he, whatever he was arrested for, sexual hand jobs, whatever it was. So after-

   26. DRDonnell Rawlings30:47

       There's nothing wrong with a sexual hand job.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       With underage... No, but when they're underage girls, probably not good.

   28. DRDonnell Rawlings30:50

       Oh, I didn't know that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       So then when he went, um, and got the lottery money, the company took the payoff.... the payoff out of an $80 million payment, the $80 million jackpot, was only 30 million. So if you want the money, you take 30.

   30. DRDonnell Rawlings31:06

       That's after, before-
10. 40:15 – 48:12

    Comedy culture vs. clickbait: negativity podcasts, ‘beef’ economics, and Katt/Diddy discourse

    1. DRDonnell Rawlings40:15

       Yeah, I don't know. I'm just so... The, this, the culture, everything is... There used to be a phrase, "Snitches get stitches." Now, I don't know if this just everywhere, but everywhere I go, it's like the most interesting thing now that's selling on any platform, especially social media, is beef. And I don't understand why people gravitate toward negativity more than anything.

    2. JRJoe Rogan40:36

       That's normal.

    3. DRDonnell Rawlings40:37

       Why? Well, but, but you know what? It's interesting. Your platform is not known for that.

    4. JRJoe Rogan40:42

       No.

    5. DRDonnell Rawlings40:42

       Your platform... But I go to these other platforms, and I don't know, I think these guys, the people, they just sit back and it's like, "Okay, what can I say to make people upset, get them riled up, and then I take advantage of the engagement that they do?"

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:59

       They're in a different game than me, all right? Their game is trying to get engagement.

    7. DRDonnell Rawlings41:03

       But-

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:03

       My game is talking to people that are interesting.

    9. DRDonnell Rawlings41:05

       But then that d- don't, doesn't that become... I don't wanna be triggering anything, but doesn't that become destructive-

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:11

        100%

    11. DRDonnell Rawlings41:11

        ... after a while?

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:12

        100%.

    13. DRDonnell Rawlings41:13

        And do you, have you noticed, ch- especially, I'll put it like this, especially with comedians, with podcasts. Every... There used to be a time where, like you say, a person would go on a podcast because it was interesting, they told funny stories-

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:28

        Right

    15. DRDonnell Rawlings41:28

        ... or they was good at their craft or whatever. But now it feels like all these platforms, and I don't know if that's just in, in my community... When I say that, Black people, it's like the only way I can find myself interesting, if I talk shit about people.

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:42

        Right.

    17. DRDonnell Rawlings41:42

        And motherfuckers are going away from being, being funny when you get interviewed. Like, every fucking podcast I turn on now, it's somebody, "I'm gonna expose this person. I'm gonna tell this about what you didn't know." And the one thing they're not doing, especially as a stand-up comedian, motherfuckers don't give a fuck about being funny no more. Are those days over?

    18. JRJoe Rogan42:05

        But, no. No, no, no. Those people that do that are almost always not very talented, almost always. The only exception to that-

    19. DRDonnell Rawlings42:13

        So who they fooling?

    20. JRJoe Rogan42:14

        The only exception to that is Cat. And I think what Cat was doing was different, 'cause what Cat was doing was exposing what he thought was snakes and liars.

    21. DRDonnell Rawlings42:22

        Okay, are you-

    22. JRJoe Rogan42:23

        It's a different thing.

    23. DRDonnell Rawlings42:24

        Okay, okay. I... Okay.

    24. JRJoe Rogan42:28

        Okay.

    25. DRDonnell Rawlings42:28

        This is my question.

    26. JRJoe Rogan42:29

        Okay, okay.

    27. DRDonnell Rawlings42:30

        This is my question, okay?

    28. JRJoe Rogan42:32

        Okay.

    29. DRDonnell Rawlings42:32

        This is my question, and people can take it-

    30. JRJoe Rogan42:34

        Okay. [laughs] Okay.
11. 48:12 – 1:06:41

    Donnell vs. Kill Tony: ‘walk-off’ controversy, edits, being sensitive, and learning the format

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:12

       Come on, you, you get this all the time because you ride with Dave, and Dave's number one, right?

    2. DRDonnell Rawlings48:16

       This is what I...

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:17

       So you, you always get-

    4. DRDonnell Rawlings48:18

       This is what I... Listen

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:18

       ... you always get this label-

    6. DRDonnell Rawlings48:19

       This is why, fucking-

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:19

       ... even though you're a great comic, you get this label of being a coattail rider.

    8. DRDonnell Rawlings48:23

       Right. And guess what? Everybody don't want... This is what I try to explain to people, Joe. Everybody does not have to be Batman.

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:33

       [laughs]

    10. DRDonnell Rawlings48:34

        I don't have a problem with being Robin.

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:37

        Yeah.

    12. DRDonnell Rawlings48:37

        You know why? 'Cause Robin got the same amount of screen time as Batman. And, and the reason why I say... This is what I get, and I'm, I'm telling you this, Joe, I don't know if this gum is kicking in.

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:47

        Eh. [laughs]

    14. DRDonnell Rawlings48:49

        This is what... This is what g- this is what fucks [laughs] me up, Joe. This is what fucks me up.

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:53

        Oh! [laughs]

    16. DRDonnell Rawlings48:53

        And I'll tell you example. I'm gonna give you example.

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:55

        Don't give me examples.

    18. DRDonnell Rawlings48:56

        No, I'm gonna tell you.

    19. JRJoe Rogan48:57

        Are you pulling out your phone?

    20. DRDonnell Rawlings48:58

        And you, I'm gonna tell you why. Because your fucking shirt is fucking triggering me right now.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:02

        Kill Tony?

    22. DRDonnell Rawlings49:03

        Uh, no, I want to.

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:04

        You mean the greatest, greatest comedy show of all time-

    24. DRDonnell Rawlings49:06

        And you know what?

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:07

        ... in the history of the known universe?

    26. DRDonnell Rawlings49:07

        I know that, but there's a lot of lies involved.

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:10

        [laughs]

    28. DRDonnell Rawlings49:10

        Okay, listen, this is, this is what they say. This is what they say.

    29. JRJoe Rogan49:14

        Don't pay attention to what they say.

    30. DRDonnell Rawlings49:16

        No, listen! No, listen.
12. 1:06:41 – 1:16:25

    Friendship, publicists, and controversial allies: Tony, Rob Schneider, and Kid Rock as a case study

    1. DRDonnell Rawlings1:06:41

       But this is the thing, this is what... That place, that platform is not a place for you to tell how you really feel about somebody, right? And I owe Tony an apology, and I'll tell you why. When Tony did the, um, um, R-I- RNC, um, Republican National Convention, whatever, remember when he did the roasting?

    2. SPSpeaker1:06:58

       Yes.

    3. DRDonnell Rawlings1:06:59

       For that, it was a very, very testy time, you know?

    4. SPSpeaker1:07:02

       Right.

    5. DRDonnell Rawlings1:07:03

       P- politics, everybody said you shouldn't do this and everything.

    6. SPSpeaker1:07:05

       I told him not to do it.

    7. DRDonnell Rawlings1:07:07

       You told him not to do the show or not to do the-

    8. SPSpeaker1:07:09

       The, the Republican Party thing.

    9. DRDonnell Rawlings1:07:10

       Here's the thing, this is what... Just for the people that's listening, this is what happened at the end of that Kill Tony with me and Rob Schneider. All I wanted to do, I've, I, I had the question on, where do you draw the line? Do you draw a line of what people think, how you're supposed to respond to something? Or do you loyal- are you loyal to somebody on how they treat you and not how they are as a friend to you? And Tony wanted me to do that show, and anytime I've called Tony, he's pick up the phone, vice versa. We've been there for each other. My publicist-... I don't know if this is a good idea right now to- 'cause what you think is a nice gesture, you wanna do the show, people are gonna act like it's a political stance. I didn't want that, right? So I had to make-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:07:49

        You can't listen to publicists.

    11. DRDonnell Rawlings1:07:50

        This is what I learned now, Joe. What I'm saying, that was my inexperience, whatever. And something I kept calling him, and I was like, "What if I do this?" 'Cause I had wanted to be reconnected with him, whatever, and I told Tony... He was hot! In a good way, in a positive way. I felt so bad, I called him, I said, "Man, I really wanna do the show, but I think people are gonna take it the wrong way now," right? And this one with me, I felt bad about it. I stood up at your condo. I was on the balcony, bruh, and I watched [laughs] motherfuckers go into the show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it, and the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to apologize to him and say, "You know, as a friend, I probably wasn't there." And he understood. Even though I was like, "He's never gonna let me do the show again," he said, "I'd love to have you there." The only issue I had with Rob Schneider, in that moment, he didn't have the sense of me trying to say something serious, right? And he c- he was getting a laugh off this one joke, and it was at my expense. You know, when I had this moment, I was talking about friendship and everything. Rob kept on with this fucking corny joke, and I didn't wanna flip out, and then people took that as like, [tsks] "Oh, yeah, Rob roasted him." [scoffs] The fuck out of here. I was trying to talk about... And I had this issue, you might have the same issue. Some people know people certain way, you know them different way. And I'll use an example, and, and I'm gonna get shitted on for saying this or whatever. Like, "Oh, how could you say that?" I, um-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:19

        You gotta stop worrying about what other people think.

    13. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:21

        Can't do it. [clears throat] I can't do it. I just-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:09:23

        You gotta stop worrying about what other people think.

    15. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:25

        Okay, I will.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:09:25

        This is, this is the conflict.

    17. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:26

        Right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:09:27

        You, you know how you feel. Just be yourself.

    19. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:29

        I'll just say this-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:09:30

        Oh-

    21. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:30

        ... Kid Rock. Kid Rock, right?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:09:31

        Right.

    23. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:32

        You say that name, for some people in certain places, they went, "Oh, fuck him," or whatever, right?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:09:36

        Right.

    25. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:37

        I met Kid Rock some years ago when we were doing the, uh, Cornfield shows in, um, in Yellow Springs.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:09:43

        Mm.

    27. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:43

        And I tell people something, we talked about this earlier, some people are provocateurs. I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he say, but I think that he knows it's gonna move the dial, is what it's gonna make him be in the headlines or where people are like, "Oh, shit-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:09:56

        Right

    29. DRDonnell Rawlings1:09:56

        ... he's gonna stick to that." [clears throat]

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:09:58

        Well, we did that show in Nashville. Remember we hung out with him and went to his house?
13. 1:16:25 – 1:47:44

    Comedy careers now: social media crews, ‘specials’ not being special, and being undeniable

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:16:25

       I get it. Um, Greer Barnes, probably one of the most underappreciated talents in the country.

    2. DRDonnell Rawlings1:16:29

       But you know what?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:16:30

       I've known that dude for 30 years. He's a funny motherfucker, and he's been funny forever.

    4. DRDonnell Rawlings1:16:34

       You know, it's so funny that you said underappreciated, because, you know, when you... You know comedians that put the work in and whatever. It's a phrase that people use, underrated, but then you gotta ask, "Who rate it?" You didn't use those words. You said underappreciated. But he is. I don't know, sometimes you gotta ask yourself-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:16:50

       He's not underrated by comics.

    6. DRDonnell Rawlings1:16:52

       Exactly.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:16:52

       He's underappreciated by audience members, for whatever reason. I think it's a social media thing. I just think he doesn't have a big presence on social media, for whatever reason. He's a solid, solid fucking comic, though. Always has been.

    8. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:05

       And a solid guy.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:17:05

       And a good dude.

    10. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:06

        But that's another thing. This is the era that we in right now, and it's like, and you know this, it's m- even more so now, the most talented people aren't getting the shots if you don't know how to evolve.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:17:18

        Well, it's not even just that, 'cause, like, look at Dave Chapp- uh, not Dave Chappelle, excuse me, Dave Attell. Dave Attell, I think, is one of the funniest dudes who's ever lived. Ever.

    12. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:27

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:17:27

        Ever. One of the best comics ever, in the history of comedy, and mostly does clubs.

    14. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:32

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:17:32

        And does, like, theaters and stuff like that. He should be sold-out arenas all across the country, but he does not promote himself. He's not into social media-

    16. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:40

        But I don't even think Attell is cap-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:17:40

        ... he doesn't do much other than specials.

    18. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:43

        I don't think... I think Attell would be petrified. Not that he couldn't do it, and it was prob- remember with the show he had, what was that? The Late Night Show. That was before anybody was doing it.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:17:52

        Yeah.

    20. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:53

        The Late Night Show, he'd go to bars and stuff like that.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:17:55

        Uh-huh.

    22. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:56

        This is before-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:17:56

        Insomniac.

    24. DRDonnell Rawlings1:17:57

        Yeah, Insomniac. This is before anybody was doing it, right? I don't think that... Some people, th- they, like... I think he's always gonna make millions of dollars touring or whatever, but I think his comfort zone is, like, he's a, not a club act, but he's a club comic. I think the best thing for him, he ever wants to be, is in front of 250 to 500 people.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:18:15

        Well, he's awesome in that-

    26. DRDonnell Rawlings1:18:16

        Back in the-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:18:16

        ... but he does, like, when Burt does arenas, he does arenas, and he murders in arenas. I think the, the real thing with him is that he's just focused on his craft only, and the props that he gets from other comedians on podcasts and things along those lines, is what really fuels his popularity, and then when people go to see him, just word of mouth.

    28. DRDonnell Rawlings1:18:35

        Do you think some people might be afraid of a certain level of fame that they don't wanna have?

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:18:40

        There is that-

    30. DRDonnell Rawlings1:18:41

        'Cause you know-
14. 1:47:44 – 2:09:35

    Pandemic-era touring, testing bubbles, and why the lockdown years felt ‘weirdly joyful’

    1. DRDonnell Rawlings1:47:44

       Yeah.

    2. DRDonnell Rawlings1:47:44

       When we was doing shit nobody was doing-

    3. DRDonnell Rawlings1:47:46

       When we were doing those lockdown shows-

    4. DRDonnell Rawlings1:47:48

       Man.

    5. DRDonnell Rawlings1:47:48

       Ooh, that was fun!

    6. DRDonnell Rawlings1:47:49

       Yo, it was so-

    7. DRDonnell Rawlings1:47:50

       That was wild times.

    8. DRDonnell Rawlings1:47:51

       It was, it was... It's al- it was already, we already have a community. We all have mutual respect for each other. But the thing that made that so special, wasn't nobody doing this shit.

    9. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:00

       Right.

    10. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:00

        That's what made it... And, and, and it really, one thing about the pandemic, it made you appreciate life a lot more than before the pandemic.

    11. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:09

        Yeah, it made you appreciate freedom.

    12. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:11

        Freedom.

    13. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:12

        The ability to do shows.

    14. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:13

        Yeah.

    15. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:14

        Remember we did those shows outside, and everybody was wearing a mask? It was so stupid.

    16. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:18

        But we... It did, but we, uh, uh-

    17. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:19

        And they all got tested, too.

    18. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:21

        We got... They was... I, I was- I had so much fun during the [chuckles] pandemic, I was almost embarrassed to show the pictures I wanted to show, like faceless shit. [laughing]

    19. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:30

        [laughing]

    20. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:30

        Yo-

    21. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:31

        No mask!

    22. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:32

        ... we would, we would take the pictures-

    23. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:33

        Yeah

    24. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:33

        ... and people was like this, "Look at him, he could kill my grandmother."

    25. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:36

        Yeah.

    26. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:36

        I'm like, "All right, first of all, you did it. Dave did it." I was like, people was like this, "Oh, it must be nice to have rich friends that have testing machines." I was like, "You're absolutely right. It is.

    27. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:45

        [laughing]

    28. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:45

        It's beautiful. It is the most amazing shit ever.

    29. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:49

        [laughing]

    30. DRDonnell Rawlings1:48:49

        Dave Chappelle raped my nose for two summers in a row, when it- when we were doing the shows in the, in the cornfields and shit. But this is what people don't understand: He took the opportunity, that village of Yellow Springs, he made it as safe as it could be. Like, any place we would go, hotels, that, everybody had an opportunity to get... Everybody had an opportunity to get tested. And I remember, this was very interesting, when the bubble... We did one, this with Bob Saget, RIP. We were doing these shows, and I think that at, before Bob passed away, when he came out to Yellow Springs and was hanging out with Dave and us and everything, it gave him some incentive to wanna go back on the road and do... He was just got really excited about doing it again. We, we, we did, like, 55 shows. The summer was over. The run was clear. We had no positives or anything. Dave extended the show another week, and that week was when the bubble popped, right? And now everybody's, like, freaking out, like, "Oh, my God!" These same women that was, people was coming out there when they was getting flown out in jets. They wasn't getting traffic, but Dave created an environment. He wanted his friends around. They was... We was going to restaurants. We would have the whole spot. We was just doing all this stuff. Nobody was thinking about the possible consequences of that. And I remember this one girl was like, "Oh, my God, I don't even know why I'm here." Then I looked at Dave, I was like: "Yo, man, damn, we almost made it, man, through" He was like, "Donnell, it's gonna be okay." He said, "You gotta realize, this is the reason why we test." When we first got our first positive, had we not been testing, it could have been crazy.
15. 2:09:35 – 2:18:58

    Origins stories: Charlie Murphy’s stand-up start, touring with Bill Burr, and defining ‘success’ as happiness

    1. DRDonnell Rawlings2:09:35

       What do you, what do you, what is... This is an interesting question: What is your definition of success?

    2. JRJoe Rogan2:09:41

       Happiness. Happiness, and doing something that you enjoy doing, and something that's challenging-

    3. DRDonnell Rawlings2:09:46

       So what is your definition of happiness?

    4. JRJoe Rogan2:09:48

       Something you enjoy doing. Friendship, love, doing something I enjoy doing, doing it well, doing it better all the time, getting better at it, you know? I mean, you, you- and struggle. You're always gonna have some kind of a struggle, and that struggle, hopefully, is you trying to be better at the thing that you're doing.

    5. DRDonnell Rawlings2:10:05

       You, what gives you... This is an interesting question: What gives you the incentive to always continue to want to perform? What gives you incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan and Friends, when you could just sit back and fucking just do whatever?

    6. JRJoe Rogan2:10:22

       'Cause it's fun. It's fun. It's, first of all, the green room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the mothership, some of the funniest times I've ever had in my fucking life.

    7. DRDonnell Rawlings2:10:30

       I can imagine.

    8. JRJoe Rogan2:10:30

       It's so fun. We have so much fun there. There's Ron White there, and Shane Gillis, and Tony, and it's fun. It's, I mean, it's community. We-

    9. DRDonnell Rawlings2:10:39

       It sounds like you're trying to get me to change my flight. [chuckles]

    10. JRJoe Rogan2:10:40

        We enjoy our times. Well, you wanna come on, you gotta show tomorrow.

    11. DRDonnell Rawlings2:10:42

        I gotta come to Tuesday. [sighs]

    12. JRJoe Rogan2:10:45

        What are you doing tomorrow? Come on, Donnell. What do you got going on tomorrow? When, where are you, headed back to Ohio?

    13. DRDonnell Rawlings2:10:52

        No, I'm going to, uh, LA.

    14. JRJoe Rogan2:10:54

        Do you have a show?

    15. DRDonnell Rawlings2:10:55

        I got a son.

    16. JRJoe Rogan2:10:56

        Oh, okay. Well, that's different.

    17. DRDonnell Rawlings2:10:57

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan2:10:57

        That's more important.

    19. DRDonnell Rawlings2:10:58

        But I can just give him some Roblox money, he'll be all right. [laughing]

    20. JRJoe Rogan2:11:01

        [laughing] He'll be like, "Yo!-"

    21. DRDonnell Rawlings2:11:04

        I'll see him Wednesday. I'll give you some Roblox money, he'll be cool. Let me see, I might, 'cause... Damn, I didn't- I wish I would've even thought about it before, but I might, I might do that, 'cause I haven't had that experience.

    22. JRJoe Rogan2:11:15

        Oh, come down then, if you can.

    23. DRDonnell Rawlings2:11:17

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan2:11:17

        If your son's cool with it, do it. If not, there's always another time.

    25. DRDonnell Rawlings2:11:20

        I can bribe him.

    26. JRJoe Rogan2:11:21

        We can look at another time.

    27. DRDonnell Rawlings2:11:21

        And this is another thing about me being an older dad, like, my son is really an age, he could be my grandson. I don't have time to do all those, instill values and morals and shit. I'm like this, "Will Candy shut this motherfucker up?" [laughing]

    28. JRJoe Rogan2:11:35

        [laughing]

    29. DRDonnell Rawlings2:11:35

        Yo, I'm like, "Yo, let's go to McDonald's or whatever." But yeah, I'm-a see. I would definitely consider that. Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:11:39

        Consider it.

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