Joe Rogan Experience #2457 - Michael Malice

1. 0:02 – 2:20

   Michael Malice’s pop-art face paint and internet-era visual stunts

   1. SPSpeaker0:02

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   2. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      So-

   3. MMMichael Malice0:12

      Put my pants on?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      We can.

   5. MMMichael Malice0:15

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      What are you doing? [laughing]

   7. MMMichael Malice0:16

      What do you mean?

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Your face.

   9. MMMichael Malice0:19

      It's... I have carprosti sarcoma.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Oh, I didn't know.

   11. MMMichael Malice0:22

       [laughing] Yeah. No, I, I just wanted to have a fun look. It's my tenth time.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       And what is, uh, a Lichtenstein? Is that what you said?

   13. MMMichael Malice0:30

       Roy Lichtenstein.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Who's that?

   15. MMMichael Malice0:32

       He's the-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Do you know who it is?

   17. SPSpeaker0:33

       Yeah.

   18. MMMichael Malice0:34

       You know the pictures. Pull up Drowning Girl. Jamie, pull it up. I get to say it. This guy-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Oh, he's a comic book artist.

   20. MMMichael Malice0:40

       No, he's a-

   21. SPSpeaker0:41

       Pop artist

   22. MMMichael Malice0:41

       ... pop artist.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Pop artist.

   24. MMMichael Malice0:42

       He drew comic books into paintings-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Oh, okay

   26. MMMichael Malice0:44

       ... in the '60s. You've seen his stuff.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Oh, I'm sure.

   28. MMMichael Malice0:47

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       I have now. I've seen them in memes.

   30. MMMichael Malice0:50

       Exactly.
2. 2:20 – 5:13

   Jordan Peterson’s health, online cruelty, and AI validating extremism

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      Uh, how is Jordan doing? Is he okay?

   2. MMMichael Malice2:23

      I think he's doing better. I just talked to Micaela a couple of days ago. Um, I think he's out of the woods. I don't know how much I'm allowed to say, uh, or what's my place to say.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      Can you say what happened to him?

   4. MMMichael Malice2:33

      I don't really know. Um, I think you'd have to talk to her. This is really something I don't, uh-

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:39

      Mm

   6. MMMichael Malice2:39

      ... I don't know what I'm supposed to-

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      He just keeps going through this series of ongoing health crisises.

   8. MMMichael Malice2:44

      Yeah, and it's very... What's- what bothers me a lot is how much glee people seem to have with this.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:51

      Mm.

   10. MMMichael Malice2:51

       And, and I think, uh, like I was just saying a second ago, I think the internet's going in a dark place, and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       People. People are going in a dark place. The internet's leading them there, but it's people.

   12. MMMichael Malice3:01

       Well, I think it's like a snake eating its own tail, don't you think? I think... And, and when AI starts validating, you know, your preconceptions, I, I, I'm very scared about the near future.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       I'm very scared, too, because so many people are so easily led and so prone to whatever the ideology is at the moment, just full, full-scale adopting it.

   14. MMMichael Malice3:19

       I was on Gutfeld a couple months ago, and they were talking about how Sam Altman said ChatGPT is gonna have erotica now. And everyone's like: "Well, what's erotica?" They're making jokes, and I go, "Listen," I said, "Not that long ago, um, John Hinckley shot... In 1981, he shot President Reagan 'cause he thought Jodie Foster was gonna fall in love with him, you know, and thereby turning her away from men forever, right?" And I said, "What happens when ChatGPT, you really hate Trump, or you really hate Joe Rogan, or you really hate Fauci or Kamala Harris, and your AI friend is ginning you up, being like, 'Yeah, they're terrible.'"

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       Yeah.

   16. MMMichael Malice3:54

       "These..." Like, there's 350 million people. You're saying out of those, 350 aren't gonna try to do something?

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       Right. I mean, they've already had ChatGPT talk people into killing themselves.

   18. MMMichael Malice4:05

       I know, I know, and that's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       Whether it's ChatGPT or whatever AI-

   20. MMMichael Malice4:08

       Whatever AI, right, right

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       ... large language model, whatever you-

   22. MMMichael Malice4:11

       Yeah, I am... And I don't see any brakes on this, and it's happening, I think, faster than we can... You know, the whole point of the paleo di- not the whole point, but a large part of the paleo lifestyle is, you know, our biology has not kept up with our technology, right? And that kind of makes sense in a food thing. Push comes to shove, processed food, you should avoid. Whole food, natural food is probably better for you. That's a, just a good heuristic for anyone. But when you're talking about the mind, you know, I- people argue, are human beings basically good, human beings basically bad? I think human beings are basically animals, and animals can be enormously collaborative and wonderful and work together, even across species. You see these videos of, like, a, you know, a dog saving a cow or s- whatever it is.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Mm-hmm.

   24. MMMichael Malice4:54

       But animals are also... I don't need to tell you, you know, there's that chimp in all of us.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       Yeah.

   26. MMMichael Malice4:59

       And when that mob starts fomenting, like, people want blood, and, and they love it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       Yeah. You also get all this powerful reinforcement from other people in the group that tell you that you're doing the right thing, and they support you, and-

3. 5:13 – 7:46

   Epstein docs discourse: hysteria, moral accusations, and code-word ambiguity

   1. MMMichael Malice5:13

      And, and if you d- the thing with the Epstein stuff online is just really kind of... Like, I remember five minutes ago, right, for the, for the, the blue-pilled people on COVID, "If you don't care about COVID as much as I do, and if you aren't as informed as COVID as much as I am, you want to kill Grandma," right? Like, that's- you're told this explicitly.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:34

      "Your kids should be taken away from you, should be banned from society."

   3. MMMichael Malice5:37

      Right. And, and my buddy, Lu- uh, Lou Perez, who's a great comic, he had a great tweet. He goes, "If you don't have COVID, you can't spread COVID." I can't give it to you just 'cause I'm a bad person, right? But that was the mindset. And now there's so much... There's what, 300- three million Epstein docs? If you are not as invested as some people, you are a kid toucher, you're covering for them, you want this to happen, you're complicit retroactively somehow.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Yeah.

   5. MMMichael Malice6:02

      And I can't make heads or tails of it. I had Luke, Luke Rutkowski on my show, who's-... been a conspiracy. I'm not saying in a negative way. Conspiracy guy for a very long time. He used to work with Alex. He broke it down. Then I had Michael Tracey on my show, and he said, "Look, a lot of this is hysteria." I don't know who is right, who is wrong, but if I have any kind of skepticism, I am somehow wanting children to be abused.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:25

      Yeah.

   7. MMMichael Malice6:25

      It's, it's insane.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      Well, it's also, it's like so much of it is cryptic, like we don't necessarily understand what they were talking about.

   9. MMMichael Malice6:33

      Right, and if you say-

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       Like, what's beef jerky?

   11. MMMichael Malice6:35

       If it's... Here's the thing: it's obviously kids. It's not just that it might be kids or probably, it's obvious. And if you're denying that jerky is obviously kids, you're denying that people are children. I'm not denying people are children. I'm just saying, what if it's heroin? What if it's weapon- I don't, I haven't read all those emails, but the idea that it's definitely, literally infants, i- it seems like I wanna see some receipts.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       Yeah, it could be many things. I mean, it, it certainly is a code, which-

   13. MMMichael Malice7:04

       Right

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       ... indicates, at least to me, that they were doing something they didn't want people to know about.

   15. MMMichael Malice7:08

       And I remember, uh, with the Pizzagate stuff-

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       Yeah

   17. MMMichael Malice7:10

       ... I talked about this in my book, In The Right. I had to get through this through the legal, 'cause there was an email where it's like, "Oh, the, the maps or the flags are really angry today." So they're obviously not talking about maps or flags. It was obviously about something, we don't know what.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Right.

   19. MMMichael Malice7:23

       But to pretend that there was nothing there is also disingenuous. There- it's clearly code, but how do we know eating is not code also? Like, eating jerky could be like beating off, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       Right.

   21. MMMichael Malice7:33

       Or it could be killing someone.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       Right.

   23. MMMichael Malice7:35

       But the idea that, no, the eating part is true, the jerky part is kids, I, I, I... And I- frankly, what bothers me is, don't you want to hope that they're not eating kids? [chuckles]

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       Yeah.

   25. MMMichael Malice7:46

       Like-

4. 7:46 – 10:59

   Epstein’s intelligence ties and the ‘Russian operative’ angle

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:46

      Well, it's like people just wanna know, and if they already were and have been doing it for a long time, th- that seemed outrageous before a gigantic ring was exposed, where there really was a sex trafficker who was compromising people, and really was doing it at the behest of at least an intelligence agency-

   2. MMMichael Malice8:09

      Yes

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      ... whether it's ours or the Israelis or whoever it is.

   4. MMMichael Malice8:13

      Or the Russians.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:13

      A lot of people-

   6. MMMichael Malice8:14

      Yeah

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:14

      ... wanna say it's the Russians. Well, is there any validity to the Russian thing?

   8. MMMichael Malice8:17

      I have no idea. The reason I al- said the Russians is because I was on Drudge, and the headline was, "Epstein Was Russian Operative." So it was presented on Drudge-

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:24

      Uh-huh

   10. MMMichael Malice8:25

       ... don't take my word for it-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       Right

   12. MMMichael Malice8:26

       ... as, oh, there's the receipts. This is why I'm saying there's, there, there's Mossad connections with him, obviously, especially through Gilaine. CIA is, is a no-brainer, 'cause why didn't they bag this guy for years?

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Right.

   14. MMMichael Malice8:35

       I'm- I talked to Kurt Metzger about this, and, uh, broadly speaking, and he makes the point, like, these are all interconnected. This idea that we're gonna separate out, like the CIA from MI6, is- they're buddies with each other.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       Right.

   16. MMMichael Malice8:47

       And then frankly, that's, in many cases, a good thing. You wanna be working with other countries if you have international trafficking or, or terrorism or crimes. But i- i- I don't know, we don't... I, I, I can't even finish the sentence.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       Right. Right. No, that's... Well, but you're honest, that's why.

   18. MMMichael Malice9:02

       [chuckles]

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       Now, the Russian thing, is there anything that makes sense to you to that?

   20. MMMichael Malice9:07

       What did Drudge-

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       What is going on here?

   22. MMMichael Malice9:08

       Okay.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       New documents show Justice Department documents mention Russia thousands of times, and Vladimir Putin over a h- a thousand times, reflecting extensive Russia-related communications and contacts in Epstein's network. Emails, travel records-

   24. MMMichael Malice9:23

       Oh, okay

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       ... indicate, okay, so there's real something to it. Epstein made multiple trips to Russia, obtained business visas, had scouts there recruiting young Russian women for him, of course, similar to his operations elsewhere. The files describe Epstein cultivating ties with Russian political and business elites, acting as a facilitator in deals and introductions, not just sexual encounters. Epstein repeatedly sought a meeting or back-channel communications with President Vladimir Putin, at times suggesting he had advice or insight to offer about dealing with Donald Trump. He had documented ties to at least one former Russian official with a background in the FSB, whom he used to gather information on a woman he claimed was trying to extort his business partners. Well, for sure you're gonna have that-

   26. MMMichael Malice10:10

       But yeah, the other thing-

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       ... you got a bunch of Russian hookers-

   28. MMMichael Malice10:12

       Pe-

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:12

       ... that you're bringing over there, some of them are gonna try to extort you.

   30. MMMichael Malice10:14

       Here's the thing, Putin was ex-KGB.
5. 10:59 – 11:55

   Why men are easy to compromise: blackmail, sex, and different leverage on women

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:59

      Right. And for men, it's so easy to get us. Like, God, it must be hard to get women.

   2. MMMichael Malice11:04

      Yeah. How would you blackmail a woman?

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:06

      I mean, well, how you trick them into fucking some guy they shouldn't be fucking, and why would anybody care? See, no one cares. Like, if a woman has an affair on her husband and has sex with some hot guy on an island, everybody's like: "You go, girl."

   4. MMMichael Malice11:19

      [chuckles] Yeah, she's Stella Got Her Groove Back.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:20

      Yeah, Stella Got Her Groove Back. [laughing]

   6. MMMichael Malice11:23

      How would you, how would you... Yeah, how would... If I wanted... Okay, let's, let's, let's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:25

      [chuckles]

   8. MMMichael Malice11:25

      ... walk through this. If there's a CIA lady, and I wanna flip her-

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:30

      Right

   10. MMMichael Malice11:30

       ... how do I f-

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       You've gotta get her to fall in love with you.

   12. MMMichael Malice11:33

       No, or you gotta g- get her husband to cheat.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:37

       Mm.

   14. MMMichael Malice11:37

       Or go threaten her kids. You gotta threaten her kids.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       Yeah.

   16. MMMichael Malice11:39

       Threaten the kids.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       Yeah.

   18. MMMichael Malice11:40

       But that's a hard one.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       But that's a different thing than-

   20. MMMichael Malice11:43

       How do you blackmail-

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:43

       ... getting her to do something-

   22. MMMichael Malice11:44

       How do you blackmail her?

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       ... that she shouldn't have done be- out of lust?

   24. MMMichael Malice11:46

       How do you black... Yeah, how do you blackmail a woman?

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       Yeah, you don't, don't have a... That's probably why a lot of women aren't in trouble.

   26. MMMichael Malice11:53

       What, why they are in trouble?

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:54

       Aren't.

   28. MMMichael Malice11:54

       Yeah, they aren't. Yeah.

6. 11:55 – 21:11

   Kyrsten Sinema ‘alienation of affection’ lawsuit and the politics of salaciousness

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:55

      Right, because, like, I would imagine you would want them, too. There's plenty of women politicians you'd wanna compromise. I mean, they did get Stacey Plaskett. She was cooperating with Epstein, going back and forth during Trump's administration.

   2. MMMichael Malice12:08

      Did you see also Kyrsten Sinema, that lawsuit?

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:11

      Oh, no, no, no. I didn't see it.

   4. MMMichael Malice12:12

      So she was the senator from Arizona. She was a centrist, and-

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:14

      Right

   6. MMMichael Malice12:14

      ... of course, they ran her out of town. And she-... uh, broke up a marriage, basically. And in North or South Carolina, where she's being sued, you can be liable for damages if you're, like, the side piece.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:26

      Oh, I've seen that.

   8. MMMichael Malice12:27

      And in the lawsuit, it-

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:28

      That's a crazy law.

   10. MMMichael Malice12:29

       [laughing] I know!

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:30

       That's a bitch-ass law.

   12. MMMichael Malice12:32

       [laughing] I know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:33

       [laughing]

   14. MMMichael Malice12:33

       And you're suing a senator, and the thing- And I believe the, the filing completely, 'cause the filing said sh- he had PTSD, so she was offering to give him psychedelics to, to help him heal, which I'm sure she did.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       Mm.

   16. MMMichael Malice12:45

       Uh, and basically, they just started a relationship. He left the wife, and it's like, this is unfortunate, but it happens, but she's facing damages now.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       That's so wild that that's a law!

   18. MMMichael Malice12:56

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       Like, what, what if the person was on the way out anyway?

   20. MMMichael Malice12:59

       Well, that's his argument, I'm sure.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       Yeah, I'm sure.

   22. MMMichael Malice13:02

       No, but the case, "Oh, no, we were a loving couple. We never had any problems-

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:06

       Ah!

   24. MMMichael Malice13:06

       ... and Sinema shows up, and now look at me. Problems-"

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:09

       How is that not the man's fault?

   26. MMMichael Malice13:11

       I don't, I don't... I think it's probably both. Well, I know... He's- No, she's, she's suing Sinema. She's not suing the guy, I don't think.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:17

       That's so crazy.

   28. MMMichael Malice13:18

       Yeah. So-

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       What a stupid fucking law.

   30. MMMichael Malice13:21

       Well, I don't know, North or South Carolina.
7. 21:11 – 24:44

   Performative politics and Lindsey Graham’s phone-number fiasco

   1. MMMichael Malice21:11

      ... that Lindsey Graham is not a pussy hound? Is that [chuckles]

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:13

      It is my position that Lindsey Graham is a- allergic to pussy.

   3. MMMichael Malice21:18

      [chuckles] Yeah. Wait, are they, are they-

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:21

      Remember when they asked him if, you know, he was gonna run for president, you know-

   5. MMMichael Malice21:24

      He ran

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:24

      ... if he was single. Yeah, but he's single.

   7. MMMichael Malice21:26

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:26

      And, uh, you know, "What about a first lady?" He's like, "Maybe I'll have a bunch of first ladies."

   9. MMMichael Malice21:30

      Oh, my- did he say that?

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       Yeah, it was something along those lines. [chuckles]

   11. MMMichael Malice21:33

       I remember-

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:33

       Which is never something a man would say who's into women.

   13. MMMichael Malice21:37

       Barbara Mikulski, uh, who was the senator from Maryland for many years, who was like 4'11" hobbit creature, clearly gay, more- no disrespect to her. She was asked about it, and she turns to the guy next to her and is like, "Hey, good-looking." It was something like that. It was so cringe and awkward. [clapping] Yeah, so...

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:55

       What did Lindsey Graham say about, uh, having many first ladies?

   15. MMMichael Malice21:59

       Oh, my God.

   16. SPSpeaker21:59

       He said it have a s- he mentioned his sister as someone who could fill in for the role, it says.

   17. MMMichael Malice22:03

       Oh, okay.

   18. SPSpeaker22:04

       That he would have a ro- quote, unquote, "rotating first lady."

   19. MMMichael Malice22:08

       'Cause, like, what, Dolly Madison did that. Like, there was... one of the first ear- early Founding Fathers was a widower-

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:13

       Rotating-

   21. MMMichael Malice22:13

       ... so the daughter

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:14

       ... his sister first, and then rotating first lady. What year was this, when he was running? 2015.

   23. SPSpeaker22:21

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       Hey.

   25. MMMichael Malice22:23

       Do you remember, the thing I remember about his campaign is Trump had a rally, and he gave out Lindsey Graham's phone number, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:31

       He did? [chuckles]

   27. MMMichael Malice22:32

       Oh, you don't remember this?

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       [chuckles]

   29. MMMichael Malice22:33

       So Tr- this is the best part. No, no, this-

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:34

       [chuckles]
8. 24:44 – 30:44

   Social media agitation after COVID and Elsagate’s algorithmic horror show

   1. MMMichael Malice24:44

      Do you know what I th- here, I wanna hear your thoughts on this. So during COVID, there was a huge, uh, amount of time that everyone was spending online.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:54

      Yeah.

   3. MMMichael Malice24:54

      Everyone's stuck in their COVID, we're all... Everyone's constantly agitated.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:57

      Mm-hmm.

   5. MMMichael Malice24:57

      And my concern is that these social me- Mark, Mark Zuckerberg's job is to keep you on Facebook as much as possible, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:03

      Mm-hmm.

   7. MMMichael Malice25:04

      All that data that they had during COVID is still there.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:07

      Right.

   9. MMMichael Malice25:07

      And I think all these social media companies are still keeping us in a constant state of agitation, so that you're stuck watching these screens, and it's really doing harm, and it's not getting better.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:20

       That's a fact.

   11. MMMichael Malice25:21

       Okay.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       Yeah.

   13. MMMichael Malice25:21

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       Yeah, that's a fact.

   15. MMMichael Malice25:22

       But I don't think-

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:23

       Well, isn't he testifying? They're, they're testifying soon, uh, about whether or not they set up their algorithms to harm children.

   17. MMMichael Malice25:31

       It's-

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       They set up their alg- algorithms to addict children to, uh, their social media platform.

   19. MMMichael Malice25:36

       Well, you remember Elsagate?

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:38

       Elsagate, yeah.

   21. MMMichael Malice25:39

       Yeah, that was the whole thing.

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:41

       Yeah. Explain that to people.

   23. MMMichael Malice25:42

       Elsagate was this... I, I still don't think we have an answer. People made these, uh, they don't even know where it came from-

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       Right

   25. MMMichael Malice25:48

       ... other than overseas. There are these bizarre YouTube videos with millions of views, where it'd be, like, the Hulk, but he's, like, sniffing kids' feet, and Elsa's just doing, like, putting in a cage. Like, bizarre things that is kind of sexual, but not really, and you don't know what the purpose is. But because they were, like, gaming the algorithm, you know, YouTube... This, Trump got in trouble with this. When Trump was sharing that video, the very end of it went to a Lion King video making fun of the Democrats.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:18

       Yes.

   27. MMMichael Malice26:18

       There was that one second of the Obamas as apes from the beginning.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:22

       Right.

   29. MMMichael Malice26:22

       They cut there, and it looked like he was sharing that. It was just the next video that was queued up, and it looks like Trump shared a video of, of the Obamas as apes on purpose.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:29

       Well, they were all in it, in the same video.
9. 30:44 – 35:45

   Democratic strategy pivots, Newsom, and assisted-suicide ‘MAID’ slippery slope

   1. MMMichael Malice30:44

      Uh, I don't know if you saw... Did you see Nancy Pelosi's retirement video? [chuckles]

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      No.

   3. MMMichael Malice30:48

      Well, you laugh, but you sh- Nancy Pelosi's probably the smartest politician in Washington in terms of being crafty. Like, she knows how to fucking get a bill passed. She knows how to make people walk the plank. So she's retiring from Congress this year. She had this 10-minute-long video about, you know, saying goodbye to San Francisco. Ten minutes. She, she talks about AIDS at length, right? Uh, 'cause obviously it affected San Francisco. Doesn't mention the word gay once, even in the context of AIDS. Doesn't mention LGBT, doesn't mention Black people, people of color. She mentions how much she loves going to church, St. Thomas of Assisi, and Veterans Day. So I'm like, "She knows what you're saying-

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:23

      Yeah.

   5. MMMichael Malice31:23

      "You've got to pivot and start talking to people about pocketbook stuff." But then Gavin Newsom recently d- undid his... You know, he backtracked with Charlie Kirk, when he's just like, "Yeah, I know about, about, uh, men and women's sports," and now he's doubling down on trans kids, which is-

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:37

      Is he really?

   7. MMMichael Malice31:38

      Oh, yeah, he just started doubling down.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:40

      God, how does he think that that's gonna work now? Like-

   9. MMMichael Malice31:43

      I think he thinks he's got to get through that primary.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:46

       Right, but do you... D- does he not know that people are done?

   11. MMMichael Malice31:50

       No, 'cause I'm sure he has better polling than you or I.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:54

       [exhales]

   13. MMMichael Malice31:54

       And I'm sure-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Maybe I'm just naive about California.

   15. MMMichael Malice31:57

       Well, it's not California, it's this, the Democratic base is gonna vote for him.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       [exhales]

   17. MMMichael Malice32:01

       You know, he's also killed his mom.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       What?

   19. MMMichael Malice32:04

       Yeah, he, he did assisted suicide on his mom. He bragged about it to the Washington Post. You didn't know this?

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       No. What was wrong with his mom, though?

   21. MMMichael Malice32:10

       I, I'm sure it was something awful, but when I, I... When I hear a politician talking about something that personal, that publicly-

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       Oh

   23. MMMichael Malice32:17

       ... I am not gonna look at it through a positive vein.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:20

       Oh.

   25. MMMichael Malice32:20

       And this MAID stuff is in 14 states now. Did you know this?

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       Yeah. Well, in Canada, it's off the hook.

   27. MMMichael Malice32:26

       You know, Kelsey Sharon, I've been talking to her about this.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:28

       Mm-hmm.

   29. MMMichael Malice32:29

       She completely blew my mind. So first it used to be... 'Cause it's always a, um... Oh, yeah, 55.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       "Long battle with breast cancer. Deeply personal event he has described as a complex experience involving assisted suicide. The Washington Report, a Washington Post report and his memoir expressed deep grief and remorse regarding her death."
10. 35:45 – 58:46

    New York City’s budget shock, migrants spending, and ‘decarceration’ concerns

    1. MMMichael Malice35:45

       Um, I, I just... I go back, you know, once a month to do Gutfeld, and I can't believe I'm saying this as a former New Yorker, but I like LA better now than New York.

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:56

       Whoa!

    3. MMMichael Malice35:56

       It, it hurts me physically to say this.

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:58

       What's wrong with New York now?

    5. MMMichael Malice36:00

       ... there's no-

    6. JRJoe Rogan36:01

       Here it is. [clears throat]

    7. MMMichael Malice36:02

       One hundred and twenty-

    8. JRJoe Rogan36:03

       Eye-popping amount, insider called insanity, is up around 11 billion from the current year.

    9. MMMichael Malice36:08

       So that's like 9% up.

    10. JRJoe Rogan36:09

        Yeah.

    11. SPSpeaker36:09

        That's nine and a half percent.

    12. JRJoe Rogan36:10

        A record $127 billion budget proposal on Tuesday. The socialist leader- city leader's plan includes a whopping 9.5% proposed property tax hike.

    13. MMMichael Malice36:21

        Holy crap!

    14. JRJoe Rogan36:21

        9.5 hike on New Yorkers-

    15. MMMichael Malice36:24

        Holy crap

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:24

        ... which he claims would be a last resort, while allocating another $1.2 billion for migrants. Migrants. [clears throat]

    17. MMMichael Malice36:33

        What's the Florida budget, Jamie?

    18. SPSpeaker36:34

        Uh, scroll-

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:36

        Scroll down a little? Oh, okay. Uh, wow!

    20. SPSpeaker36:40

        But that's what-

    21. MMMichael Malice36:41

        Oh, my God, it's the same. It's about the same.

    22. SPSpeaker36:42

        Yeah, the New York one would've been not this year, I think.

    23. MMMichael Malice36:45

        Yeah, but it's comparable. Holy sh- crap!

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:47

        So it's not three times more or whatever the fuck it is more? [clears throat]

    25. MMMichael Malice36:51

        Like-

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:51

        No, three times more people, right?

    27. MMMichael Malice36:53

        Right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:53

        Um-

    29. MMMichael Malice36:53

        So that is triple per capita.

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:55

        Yeah, triple per capita.
11. 58:46 – 1:01:57

    Epstein files again: missing records, video ‘rendering’ loopholes, and mass-arrest fantasies

    1. MMMichael Malice58:46

       I don't think we're ever... Here, I, I- the other thing that I'm kind of stunned at is there's this belief online that if there's enough agitation, like QAnon, we're all gonna have these mass arrests, and I don't see that happening, and I don't think you can do anything to force them to release the really bad stuff if they haven't.

    2. JRJoe Rogan59:08

       [tsks] So what else is left? There's 3,000- 3 million other files-

    3. MMMichael Malice59:12

       Right

    4. JRJoe Rogan59:12

       ... that they have from-

    5. MMMichael Malice59:13

       They said they've released everything.

    6. JRJoe Rogan59:16

       Well, they also said there wasn't anything.

    7. MMMichael Malice59:17

       Right. [laughing]

    8. JRJoe Rogan59:19

       You know, when Kash Patel was on here, he's like, "There's no videos, there's no evidence, there's no nothing."

    9. MMMichael Malice59:24

       The craziest for me was when Pam Bondi said, "I've got the list," and I said to myself, and I, I talked to my friends, and they all agreed with me. I'm like, "I really don't think he had, like, clientslist.doc on his desktop."

    10. JRJoe Rogan59:36

        Right.

    11. MMMichael Malice59:36

        That's not a thing, right?

    12. JRJoe Rogan59:37

        Right.

    13. MMMichael Malice59:37

        So I would... I, I believe he doesn't, like, have a literal list, and then later she goes, "When I said list, I meant blah, blah, blah." And I'm like: But you said list.

    14. JRJoe Rogan59:45

        Right. Well, they had those binders.

    15. MMMichael Malice59:47

        Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan59:47

        They were all s- performatively holding those binders.

    17. MMMichael Malice59:49

        Right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan59:49

        "We have the files. We're gonna go through them. Heads are gonna roll." Nothing happened.

    19. MMMichael Malice59:53

        Right.

    20. JRJoe Rogan59:54

        And then Les Wexner, what did he say today? Jamie, you were saying that he said he got-

    21. SPSpeaker59:58

        A con man, he was conned or something by a con man.

    22. MMMichael Malice1:00:00

        He was conned for so many years. [laughs]

    23. SPSpeaker1:00:02

        ... I've been seeing online, I don't know the accuracy, that there's-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

        Uh

    25. SPSpeaker1:00:05

        ... a bunch of missing files from specifically 1999 through 2001.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

        Right, and that people are connecting that to 9/11.

    27. SPSpeaker1:00:12

        Yeah.

    28. MMMichael Malice1:00:13

        Oh, wait!

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

        Yeah.

    30. MMMichael Malice1:00:14

        I ha- wait, 1990? Okay.
12. 1:01:57 – 1:07:14

    Scott Adams memorial, ‘turbo cancer,’ and the rising-young-cancer question

    1. MMMichael Malice1:01:57

       Do you wanna talk about... I wanna talk about Scott Adams.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:59

       Sure.

    3. MMMichael Malice1:01:59

       I was just at his memorial. So are you- w- was he ever on your show?

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       Yes.

    5. MMMichael Malice1:02:03

       Um, I got invited to speak, and it was really a great, um, uh, experience. I got a- 'cause I'm a mental patient, I got a Dilbert mask.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:02:13

       Mm.

    7. MMMichael Malice1:02:13

       And the thing with the Dilbert mask is there's no mouth, right? So Dr. Drew was supposed to speak, and I was gonna go there and do my little terrorism, where I was gonna have my little phone and say: "Nice to meet you, I'm Dilbert," and wave, and then swipe and be like, you know, "Can you take off your glasses, please?" And he takes off the glasses, and be like, "Uh, nice eyes. May I- I'm going to take them," and just fuck with people at the funeral, uh, like Scott would've wanted. Um, it was really, uh, great, 'cause it was very upbeat. And I was kinda honored. Gutfeld asked me to- Gu- Gutfeld texts me, he goes: "Hey, do you wanna speak?" And I go: "It'd be a huge honor." And he just goes: "Great." And I'm like: "Am I actually speaking, [chuckles] or you're just, you know, quizzing me?" Um, I got to see... Cernovich was there, Posobiec, a few other people, and then afterwards went to his house. And there's something really kind of, um, eerie about walking into the house of someone who had just, uh, passed. His ex-wife, Sherry, let me take two of his markers, which I will, you know, always treasure and, and kind of sh- uh, hang in my house. There were two lines I couldn't say at the memorial, 'cause I knew the fans would get salty, which is: Uh, Scott is in heaven right now, doing what he loved most, avoiding Black people. And the reason Dilbert was a black and white comic strip is 'cause Scott didn't really like the coloreds.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:25

       [laughing]

    9. MMMichael Malice1:03:26

       Right. 'Cause Scott was a humorist, just go for the joke.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:03:30

        Right.

    11. MMMichael Malice1:03:30

        Um, but it w- uh, I mean, it, it's, it's, it's, it's just, it's, it, it's weird, uh, how much he still resonates, I think, with, with people. Um, and I, I don't really have anything else particularly to say, but I just felt it was important to kinda, you know, commemorate his passing, 'cause he's really helped me out a lot in my thinking.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:03:52

        Yeah, it's a real bummer, man, because it happened so quickly. His cancer, he got turbo cancer.

    13. MMMichael Malice1:03:58

        Well, he had it in January 2025.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:04:02

        Uh-huh.

    15. MMMichael Malice1:04:02

        And he said: "I'm gonna wait for my stepdaughter to get married," and she was there, and I got to meet her. She's a lovely kid. "Uh, to get married, and then I'm gonna do it." And then tr- uh, he tweeted something out, RFK jumped in, Trump jumped in. They got him this medicine, and that got him a few more months, and, you know, so he got six more months. Point being, with the MAID stuff, just 'cause someone's terminal doesn't mean they don't have months left.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:04:25

        Yeah.

    17. MMMichael Malice1:04:25

        And you can do a lot in those months. It was funny, there's a, another cartoonist, I apologize, I'm blanking on his name, and, uh, he was friends with Scott for a long time. Scott had promoted his work once, and he went from, like, obscurity to, like, a big name. And Scott asked him: "Hey, can you write the foreword to my forthcoming biography?" And the guy's like: [inhales] "I'm not really gonna have time." So it w- like, Scott was [chuckles] that kind of person, where he's just like: "Just because, you know, I'm about to meet my Maker, I don't want you to be morose." I, I, he- his book, Reframe Your Brain, is a complete masterpiece.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:57

        Yeah?

    19. MMMichael Malice1:04:57

        'Cause what he does is, he goes through, uh, fra- mindsets, and instantly recalibrates them. One of them is, f- the regular framework is, "I should do great at my job." And his reframe is, "My job is to prepare for a better job." And when you think about it that way, having that shitty job is not rough, 'cause you're just laying the groundwork for something better. So when I spoke, I said: The framework is, we're having a memorial for Scott, but the reframe is, we're having a party, and Scott's really late. Right? So if you think about it in that terms, "Hey, we're having fun. Where's this asshole?" Because he didn't want us to be there, like, moping.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:31

        Mm-hmm.

    21. MMMichael Malice1:05:31

        He wanted- he always was positive, always was fun, even [chuckles] during that day. So I, I thought... I, I just owe him a lot. And-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:05:39

        Did he blame his death on the COVID shots?

    23. MMMichael Malice1:05:42

        So he got a lot... Uh, uh, this really bothered me, because he'd be tweeting about stuff, people like, "Should've got the shot!"

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:49

        Yeah.

    25. MMMichael Malice1:05:49

        It's like, this guy's about to die. Like, this is your gotcha moment? This is your, "like I told you so" moment?

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:05:54

        Yeah.

    27. MMMichael Malice1:05:54

        It's just... So he-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:05:55

        So gross

    29. MMMichael Malice1:05:55

        ... he did not blame it. Uh, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the... You saw what just happened. I met James Van Der Beek through you.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:01

        Mm.
13. 1:07:14 – 1:18:33

    Aspartame brain fog, processed-food weirdness, and protein-bar GI disasters

    1. MMMichael Malice1:07:14

       Couldn't possibly be. Do you know what really fucked me up recently? And you're gonna laugh in my face, and every Maha person listening to this is gonna laugh in my face.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:07:23

       What?

    3. MMMichael Malice1:07:23

       And you can feel free to laugh in my face, 'cause it's covered in polka dots.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:07:26

       [chuckles]

    5. MMMichael Malice1:07:27

       Aspartame. I would drink... My main method of hydration was Dr. Pepper Zero. [laughing] It's warranted, I know. This is why I have the polka dots.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:07:39

       [laughs]

    7. MMMichael Malice1:07:39

       And I go to New York, and I'm low on calories for my macros, and I switch to full sugar Dr. Pepper, so it wasn't the caffeine, and my thinking changed. And I'm like, "This is..." And I go online. This has been known for, since the-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:07:53

       Think it changed how so?

    9. MMMichael Malice1:07:55

       I was quicker on my feet. I was having trouble remembering words, remembering names, remembering... Just being- th- my s- verbal cogni- uh, speed of how I speak is something that is part of my job, and I was having issues with that. I'd have to have workarounds when I couldn't think of someone's name or someone's word. And where I was having this false- there you go.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:08:14

        Research has linked high consumption of aspartame to impaired memory, spatial learning deficits, and faster cognitive decline in adults under 60.

    11. MMMichael Malice1:08:23

        Yep.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:08:24

        Neuroinflammation, oxidative stress, aspartame metabolize, metabolites could trigger chronic microglial activation and increased oxidative stress in the brain, leading to neuronal damage and potential neurodegeneration. Um, you know who pushed that through, right?

    13. MMMichael Malice1:08:42

        Who?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:08:42

        Aspartame. Rumsfeld.

    15. MMMichael Malice1:08:45

        No.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:08:45

        Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sh- uh, search that.

    17. MMMichael Malice1:08:48

        So here's the thing-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:08:48

        Throw that into Perplexity.

    19. MMMichael Malice1:08:50

        If you're, if you're listening to this, and you're someone like me, who was living on it-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:08:54

        Uh-huh

    21. MMMichael Malice1:08:54

        ... just try for two days, right?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:08:56

        Really?

    23. MMMichael Malice1:08:56

        And you'll know right away if, if... 'Cause I, I also had this low-key anxiety all the time. Like, it was like a one out of 10, but it was there. I thought, "Okay, it's just whatever."

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:09:04

        Life.

    25. MMMichael Malice1:09:04

        It, I thought it was just life. Nope, it's gone.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:09:07

        Donald Rumsfeld-

    27. MMMichael Malice1:09:08

        No!

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:09:08

        ... CEO of GD Searle in the late 1970s, early '80s, played a pivotal role in the FDA approval of aspartame, the artificial sweetener in products like NutraSweet.

    29. MMMichael Malice1:09:17

        Holy crap.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:09:17

        Yeah, um, so they, there was studies back then, um, showing approval due to potential carcinogenic, car- carcinogenicity risks. Uh, Hayes approved aspartame for dry foods shortly after, expanding it to beverages by 1983. What would- there was studies on, I think there was rat studies or something.
14. 1:18:33 – 1:40:40

    Training, peptides/TRT, and the ‘don’t skip legs’ debate

    1. MMMichael Malice1:18:33

       It's just hard for me to get enough calories in a day for what I need.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:18:36

       ... What are you trying to do?

    3. MMMichael Malice1:18:37

       I'm doing lean gains.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:18:39

       Lean gains?

    5. MMMichael Malice1:18:40

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:18:40

       What does that mean?

    7. MMMichael Malice1:18:41

       So you're keeping the same body fat, but you're slowly putting on weight.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:18:44

       Oh.

    9. MMMichael Malice1:18:44

       So it's really a tightrope.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:18:45

        Okay, so you're in- you're involved in that again. I know you bailed on bodybuilding-type activities-

    11. MMMichael Malice1:18:51

        Well, no, I still go to the gym.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:18:52

        But are you trying to get jacked?

    13. MMMichael Malice1:18:54

        I think I'm in good shape. I've been-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:18:55

        But are you trying to get jacked?

    15. MMMichael Malice1:18:56

        I don't know what... Okay. Yeah, [chuckles] take the W.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:18:58

        I don't know why you're doing that. I didn't do that.

    17. MMMichael Malice1:19:00

        What do you mean?

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:19:01

        I'm just asking, are you trying to get jacked?

    19. MMMichael Malice1:19:02

        I, I... Okay, that seems like the kind of question that you cornering me in the gym-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:19:06

        No!

    21. MMMichael Malice1:19:07

        -would be saying.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:19:07

        No.

    23. MMMichael Malice1:19:07

        What do you mean by trying to get jacked?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:19:08

        No, no, no, no. It's a normal thing for people that are trying to get s- swole, you're trying to get, like, big muscles.

    25. MMMichael Malice1:19:14

        I am trying to put on as much mass as I can while maintaining a somewhat lean build.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:19:21

        What are you doing, like, as far as your workouts?

    27. MMMichael Malice1:19:23

        I go to gym four days a week. I-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:19:25

        What, what are you doing with your workout? What kind of workouts?

    29. MMMichael Malice1:19:27

        I do a bro split. Don't make fun of me.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:19:29

        No, there's nothing wrong with a bro split.
15. 1:40:40 – 1:45:07

    Stand-up comedy: bombing, repetition, Austin’s scene, and the 10-year grind

    1. MMMichael Malice1:40:40

       Oh, I got a bone to pick with you.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:40:41

       Ooh, I'm excited.

    3. MMMichael Malice1:40:43

       Oh, you per- you set me up perfectly.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:40:45

       Okay.

    5. MMMichael Malice1:40:45

       You set me up perfectly. I was... I, uh, thank you, Joe Rogan. Bridget Phetasy sat in this very chair-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:40:52

       Right

    7. MMMichael Malice1:40:52

       ... the chair I'm farting in right now. [laughing]

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:40:54

       [laughing]

    9. MMMichael Malice1:40:54

       Because, um, I, my, I had some vintage Olean chips from eBay.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:40:58

        [laughing]

    11. MMMichael Malice1:40:58

        And it's, this chair's gonna be a disaster zone.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:41:00

        That's the Trump chair.

    13. MMMichael Malice1:41:01

        I know. Um, and she told you that I'm starting to do stand-up, and you said, "That's great. He's so funny."

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:41:09

        Yeah.

    15. MMMichael Malice1:41:10

        "He could open for me." And then I was all excited about this opportunity, and I te- and I wait a few weeks 'cause I was scared to, like, whatever, and you text me about some meme, and I go-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:41:18

        First of all, I don't think I said you could open for me.

    17. MMMichael Malice1:41:20

        You did.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:41:21

        I highly doubt I said that.

    19. MMMichael Malice1:41:22

        You did, you did, but that's fine. I'm not holding you to it. I'm just saying you said that. That's fine. Um-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:41:26

        Maybe I was joking.

    21. MMMichael Malice1:41:27

        I'm not holding you to it.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:41:28

        Okay.

    23. MMMichael Malice1:41:28

        You were just encouraging, okay?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:41:30

        I'm-

    25. MMMichael Malice1:41:30

        Let's just leave it at that.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:41:30

        I think you're very funny.

    27. MMMichael Malice1:41:31

        Okay. You text me about some meme. I go, "Hey, I'm getting ready to do stand-up." You go, "You absolutely should. You're very funny." I go, "I have my set. What should I do next?" Do you know what you said?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:41:39

        What?

    29. MMMichael Malice1:41:40

        Nothing.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:41:41

        Yeah.
16. 1:45:07 – 2:05:19

    AI escalation: autonomous weapons, deepfake cinema, and psychological fallout

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:45:07

       You see those robots in China that are doing fucking kung fu?

    2. MMMichael Malice1:45:10

       Are they ready?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:45:10

       Oh, my God, they just did this demonstration, this martial arts demonstration with these robots on a stage.

    4. MMMichael Malice1:45:15

       But I, I, I'm more-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:45:16

       It's crazy how fucking... how they move.

    6. MMMichael Malice1:45:19

       I'm more worried about if anyone can use AI to engineer a bioweapon.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:45:25

       Oh, that. Yeah, that's real.

    8. MMMichael Malice1:45:26

       Because-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:45:27

       Yeah

    10. MMMichael Malice1:45:27

        ... there's a g- I, there was a piece, like, a, a guy, I forget his name, I apologize, where he was... He's one of these big AI people, and he goes, "If you use the paid-for AI," he goes, "I can tell it to write me code, and it also knows, like, idiosyncratic preferences," so it's better than hiring a person, and that's today.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:45:44

        Yeah.

    12. MMMichael Malice1:45:44

        So what's gonna happen in two years, three years? Like, w- how do you put guardrails on that? I don't think you can.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:45:50

        I don't think you can, and there's a lot of people that are resigning from a lot of these companies that are saying, "We're doomed."

    14. MMMichael Malice1:45:56

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:45:57

        Yeah.

    16. MMMichael Malice1:45:57

        I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy, but that, I think, is a much faster path toward something happening than, you know, robots, kung fu robots in China.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:46:08

        Well, there's also automated rep- weapons, weapon systems that are totally autonomous. That scares us-

    18. MMMichael Malice1:46:14

        Is that right?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:46:14

        Yes. The government's working on that, and I believe there was an issue, see if you can find this, with one of the AI companies not willing to partner with the U- or not willing to do something with autonomous weapons programs. I think it's Anthropic.

    20. SPSpeaker1:46:31

        Yeah, the Pentagon was having issue with that.

    21. MMMichael Malice1:46:33

        Oh, wow!

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:46:33

        Yeah, I think Anthropic was like, "Uh, we don't think that's good," and ev- all the other ones were like, "Let's go."

    23. MMMichael Malice1:46:40

        Holy shit, yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:46:41

        Yeah, well, the thing is, is China doing that? They probably are. "Anthropic is clashing with the Pentagon over AI use. Here's what each side wants. Anthropic's relationship with the Department of Defense is-

    25. MMMichael Malice1:46:51

        Wow!

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:46:53

        ... uh, is under review as the two sides negotiate over how the company's AI models can be used. Startup wants assurance that its models will not be used for autonomous weapons or mass surveillance." [laughs] Oh, my God, these pop-ups are brutal. Um, fuck you, CNBC. [laughs]

    27. MMMichael Malice1:47:10

        [laughs]

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:47:10

        "The DOD wants to use Anthropic models for all lawful use cases without limitation-

    29. MMMichael Malice1:47:18

        Oh, my God

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:47:18

        ... according to, uh, Emil Michael, the Under Secretary of War for Research and Engineering."
17. 2:05:19 – 2:23:37

    Search-engine manipulation, election nudges, ICE narratives, and immigration’s no-win politics

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:05:19

       Creepy Line?

    2. MMMichael Malice2:05:19

       There was that-

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:05:20

       What?

    4. MMMichael Malice2:05:20

       ... documentary, The Creepy Line. Uh, Robert something Malone, I think his name was. He's a, he's an academic. His point-- he went through Google, and he goes: "Look, if I'm Google, right, and I r- and I, I... Or I'm Facebook, and I have people who are like Trump and people who are like Hillary. So if I just put out, 'Hey, you should vote,' and send it just to the Hillary people, I'm not on paper endorsing Hillary."

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:05:42

       Dr. Robert Epstein.

    6. MMMichael Malice2:05:43

       Robert Epstein, thank you.

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:05:44

       Oh, that guy.

    8. MMMichael Malice2:05:44

       Yeah, but-

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:05:45

       Yeah, we've had that guy on multiple times.

    10. MMMichael Malice2:05:46

        Right, but then you're going to be getting out that vote in the direction you want.

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:05:50

        Well, his concern is Google searches.

    12. MMMichael Malice2:05:53

        Sure.

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:05:53

        So, like, if you search Trump, it's all negative stories. If you search Hillary-

    14. MMMichael Malice2:05:57

        And you search Hillary, it's all positive

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:05:58

        ... it's all positive stories.

    16. MMMichael Malice2:05:58

        It was also-

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:05:58

        Yeah.

    18. MMMichael Malice2:05:58

        I've talked to him also about the, the Facebook stuff. If you're promoting-

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:06:01

        Yeah

    20. MMMichael Malice2:06:01

        ... go out and vote, and you have this group versus that group, it could nudge it very easily.

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:06:05

        Right.

    22. MMMichael Malice2:06:05

        So it's... That technology is already here and been used.

    23. JRJoe Rogan2:06:07

        And been used, yeah.

    24. MMMichael Malice2:06:08

        Right, so that's 10 years ago.

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:06:09

        That's real election manipulation-

    26. MMMichael Malice2:06:11

        Right

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:06:11

        ... that's already legal and being used-

    28. MMMichael Malice2:06:13

        Right

    29. JRJoe Rogan2:06:13

        ... for whatever reasons.

    30. MMMichael Malice2:06:14

        So, well, you know what reason, but, but like-

Episode duration: 2:41:42