Joe Rogan Experience #2458 - Matt McCusker

1. 0:00 – 0:12

   Intro

   1. SPSpeaker0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

   2. SPSpeaker0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. SPSpeaker0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]

2. 0:12 – 1:33

   Face filters, flattering lighting, and why “you look like you look”

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      A lot of people have lights on their tables now to light up their face to make them look more pretty.

   2. SPSpeaker0:16

      Really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Yeah, they have, like, a slight, like a, like a opening in the table, and then a light that gets on you so you don't see, like, the shadows in your face, so you don't look, look shitty. [chuckles]

   4. SPSpeaker0:27

      I feel like... Doesn't- isn't that what you do, like, in a scary story? You put a flashlight under your chin.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      [laughs]

   6. SPSpeaker0:31

      Like, to make it scary.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      No, but they're not trying to do that. They're trying to, like-

   8. SPSpeaker0:33

      Yeah

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      ... balance it out-

   10. SPSpeaker0:33

       Yeah, yeah

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       ... so you look flat.

   12. SPSpeaker0:35

       That's crazy, man.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       [sighs] You look like what you look like.

   14. SPSpeaker0:38

       Yeah, you gotta give up after a while.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       The weirdest shit is men who use filters when they take pictures.

   16. SPSpeaker0:44

       That's insane.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       I've... There's comedian men that use filters.

   18. SPSpeaker0:47

       Really?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Yes, it's very odd.

   20. SPSpeaker0:49

       How do you know? How do you tell?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       You know what they really look like.

   22. SPSpeaker0:51

       True. Oh, yeah, duh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       And then you-

   24. SPSpeaker0:53

       Duh question

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... see them, and they look like a cartoon. Like, uh, Netflix does that with their, um, the pictures that they use when they promote your special.

   26. SPSpeaker1:01

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Like, the picture of you, they'll put that bitch through a filter, and you-

   28. SPSpeaker1:04

       That makes sense

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       ... you look so pretty.

   30. SPSpeaker1:06

       Yeah. [laughing]
3. 1:33 – 6:42

   Creatine, diarrhea math, kale smoothies, and diet confusion (fiber vs carnivore)

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      Yeah. You know what's really good for that? Creatine.

   2. SPSpeaker1:35

      I have, I've been taking it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:36

      Yeah, creatine, they say 20 grams a day. Start, like, with five and work your way up to 20, and check to see how your butthole holds up, 'cause the seal might be loose. [laughing]

   4. SPSpeaker1:46

      I've, I've ran this experiment actually. [laughing]

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:48

      [laughing]

   6. SPSpeaker1:49

      20 gets my guts going, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      Bro, it does. It does. I don't do 20 in a dose. I do 10 in the morning-

   8. SPSpeaker1:55

      Oh

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      ... and 10 at night.

   10. SPSpeaker1:56

       I do 20.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       'Cause I was doing 20 in a dose, and it was just like, "Everybody out of the pool!" [chuckles]

   12. SPSpeaker2:01

       I, I'm also not convinced diarrhea is bad for you.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       [laughing]

   14. SPSpeaker2:03

       I swear to God, like, not shitting for sure, but diarrhea is just like, "Let's speed this up."

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       Well, isn't that what, um... Is that consumption? What is the disease where you can't stop having diarrhea?

   16. SPSpeaker2:14

       Uh, dysentery.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       Dysentery, that's it.

   18. SPSpeaker2:15

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       Yeah.

   20. SPSpeaker2:16

       Shit, all right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       Yeah.

   22. SPSpeaker2:17

       Well, if you, if you can't stop having it, sure. But like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       Well, that's like, you can't digest food. It just goes right through you, and you just shit constantly.

   24. SPSpeaker2:23

       Now you're shit starved?

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       Yeah.

   26. SPSpeaker2:25

       That sucks, actually.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Yeah. [chuckles]

   28. SPSpeaker2:27

       [laughing] That sucks.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       Not good.

   30. SPSpeaker2:28

       Once a week, though, that's fine.
4. 6:42 – 8:42

   Hidden carcinogens and modern paranoia: asbestos, talc, LED lights, and “everything causes cancer”

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:42

      Well, there were so many things that caused cancer that no one knew about at the time.

   2. SPSpeaker6:47

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:47

      Like, how about baby powder?

   4. SPSpeaker6:49

      Yeah, dude, I didn't know about that either.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      Well, the thing is, what... I think what the story is, is that where they mine the talc, that the talc is not always pure, and the talc has other stuff mixed in it, and they don't filter that stuff out. Is it asbestos that it's mixed with?

   6. SPSpeaker7:04

      I'll check.

   7. SPSpeaker7:05

      I thought that stuff was cornstarch.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:06

      Run that into Perplexity, please. [laughing]

   9. SPSpeaker7:09

      [laughing] Uh, I-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       I thought it was cornstarch.

   11. SPSpeaker7:11

       What? Baby powder.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       It's baby powder.

   13. SPSpeaker7:13

       Baby powder? No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       So it's talc.

   15. SPSpeaker7:14

       No, it's talc, I believe. "Evidence of small but real cancer risk with some talc-based baby powders, mainly due to genital use and possible asbestos contamination." Yeah, that's it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       Damn.

   17. SPSpeaker7:24

       "But the data are mixed, and the absolute risk for any one person is low. Talc, uh, itself as a mineral can be mined near asbestos, so contamination is the main worry. Asbestos is a known cause of mesothelioma-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       Yeah

   19. SPSpeaker7:39

       ... mesothelioma and other cancers." Yeah, a lot- quite a few women. I think there was a lawsuit.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       I remember hearing that.

   21. SPSpeaker7:45

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       I remember I was dismayed 'cause that was like... I had a weird thing when I was younger. I used to use baby powder to masturbate.

   23. SPSpeaker7:50

       Yo.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       'Cause it just, like, makes everything feel so... So it was kinda nice. And the smell, if I smell baby powder to this day-

   25. SPSpeaker7:55

       [laughing]

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:55

       ... it's like a trigger for me.

   27. SPSpeaker7:56

       [laughing]

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Yeah. If I smell it, I'm like, "Goddamn, bro. [laughing] Get that shit away from me."

   29. SPSpeaker8:00

       Well, I used to use it a lot to play pool.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       Oh, yeah.
5. 8:42 – 10:03

   Doomscrolling, outrage addiction, and the sense we’re always on the brink

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:42

      Bro, I'm scared of everything. I have to fucking stay offline.

   2. SPSpeaker8:45

      I know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:45

      I, I, the... I'm reading too much of the news, and it's, it's overwhelming me. Like, sometimes at nighttime, like, I can't wind down.

   4. SPSpeaker8:52

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:52

      It's just like, there's too much news.

   6. SPSpeaker8:54

      I-

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:54

      There's too much fucking madness. We're about to go to war with Iran.

   8. SPSpeaker8:57

      I know.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:57

      Like, we're... The... Everyone's eating beef jerky and pizza. Like, what are these-

   10. SPSpeaker9:01

       [laughing]

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       ... epiphy- what the fuck is pizza?

   12. SPSpeaker9:03

       [laughing] I know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       You know, who... How far does this go? How come this never got released before? Like, what is happening?

   14. SPSpeaker9:08

       I mean, my thing is, like, I'm not... First of all, the news for me is like, w- a- aside from all, like, the disastrous wars, it's just so, like, negative. When you read, the news is mostly people being like, "Guess who's a giant piece of shit?"

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:18

       Right.

   16. SPSpeaker9:18

       You read that over and over, and you get, like, addicted to being like, "Yeah, that guy sucks. I'm good."

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       Well, there was an article that I read recently about people being addicted to outrage.

   18. SPSpeaker9:27

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       And that's a real thing.

   20. SPSpeaker9:28

       Oh, for sure.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:28

       Being addicted to being upset about stuff and addicted to out- you'll search for it, which is why your algorithm shows you all that shit.

   22. SPSpeaker9:34

       Yeah, no, it, it, I mean, it, li- I th- I, I don't know if this is true, but I feel like they watch your facial, uh, expression through your phone camera and feed you stuff if you're making, like, interested or outraged or whatever.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       I wouldn't be shocked.

   24. SPSpeaker9:46

       'Cause I've heard they, like, track your eyeball movement, and they're like, "Okay, this is holding his eyes," and they just keep feeding you more.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       Really?

   26. SPSpeaker9:51

       I, I've heard that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:52

       [sniffs] Should pr- probably put a piece of tape over that bitch.

   28. SPSpeaker9:55

       I know. [laughing] I know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:56

       You know? I wonder if you did, how much would change?

   30. SPSpeaker9:59

       I don't know.
6. 10:03 – 23:12

   Epstein rabbit hole: Prince Andrew, arrests, “plot holes,” and the cellmate mystery

   1. SPSpeaker10:03

      But yeah, the new... Dude, that, the... Yeah, all that Epstein shit is like, I can't follow it. It's too much.

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:08

      It's too much.

   3. SPSpeaker10:08

      There's too many names. I don't know state representative... They're, like, naming all these people. It's like, damn-

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:12

      Right

   5. SPSpeaker10:12

      ... I wish I knew who that was.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:13

      And it's dark, too.

   7. SPSpeaker10:14

      It's horrible.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:16

      And it goes so high. There's so many levels to it. You know, Sagar and Yeti was just on-

   9. SPSpeaker10:22

      Mm-hmm

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       ... Flagrant, and they were reading off files and talking about the... And it's just like, what the fuck, man?

   11. SPSpeaker10:28

       Yeah, it's... Y- you need to study all day to, like, follow it. Prince Andrew's crazy, him getting arrested.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       [exhales]

   13. SPSpeaker10:32

       He's the fir- who... What other prince has gotten ar- it must have been, like, not since 500 years ago.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       Yeah, when's the last time a prince was arrested?

   15. SPSpeaker10:38

       I have no idea. And also, he's... If he goes to jail, if he goes to real jail-

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Yeah

   17. SPSpeaker10:42

       ... he's getting clapped.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       Yeah, with-

   19. SPSpeaker10:44

       He's a known... You know, it's very, very likely he, he was a pedophile, if pedophiles go to jail.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       Well, what do they know that they're putting him in jail first, or they're arresting him first? Like, what do they know? Because they did a bunch of things-

   21. SPSpeaker10:58

       Mm

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       ... right? The first thing they do is they, they stripped him of his princehood, right?

   23. SPSpeaker11:02

       Exactly.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       And then they banished him to a, some estate somewhere around the country, and then they removed him from the estate. They kicked him out of that estate.

   25. SPSpeaker11:08

       Y- yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:09

       So it's been, like, levels upon levels. So what do they know?

   27. SPSpeaker11:13

       I think the royal family gets to see the real deal.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       [exhales]

   29. SPSpeaker11:15

       So they probably saw the real deal and were like, "Bro, you're fried.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       God.
7. 23:12 – 25:40

   Random violence is everywhere: street fights, road rage, and not knowing who’s unhinged

   1. SPSpeaker23:12

      Yeah, that's scary, though, man. That's... Yeah, the, the whole thing of, like, altercations and people popping off to each other anymore is just like... I was walking down the street recently, and, and, like, you know, I, I had the right of way. I walked, and I didn't even, like, rush in front of the car, but the car pulled up and was like, "Get the fuck out..." He, like, threatened to shoot me in the face. I was just like, "What the hell, man?"

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:29

      Whoa.

   3. SPSpeaker23:30

      Yeah, it was like he had pulled off far enough, and he's like, "I'll shoot you in your fucking face," and I was just like, "Please don't," like, you know, "What the fuck, man? What are you doing?" [chuckles]

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:37

      Bro, you never know who's unhinged.

   5. SPSpeaker23:39

      I know.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:40

      You never know what's going on in that life, the divorce, fucking this, that, just got fired, about to go to jail. Who knows?

   7. SPSpeaker23:48

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:49

      Who knows?

   9. SPSpeaker23:49

      Dude, yeah, it's-

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:50

       Best friend was fucking your wife.

   11. SPSpeaker23:52

       Could be literally anything.

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:53

       Anything.

   13. SPSpeaker23:53

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:54

       Anything.

   15. SPSpeaker23:54

       It's like, I, I never... It's like, yeah, whatever, man.

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       So many people are barely hanging on out there, doing something all day they hate.

   17. SPSpeaker24:01

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       Just fucking tired, life's in a shambles.

   19. SPSpeaker24:05

       Dude, I, I don't... And e- especially, like, people just talk shit to strangers. Like, you have no idea who that person is. My... I don't know if, you know, who knows if this is, like, just, like, an old construction worker tale, but my dad was telling me some guy he knows-

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:16

       ... his mom or whatever, or like, you know, his friend's mom was at the grocery store, someone backed- they were, like, both going for a parking spot. It was, like, an old lady, and the guy was like, "Fucking bitch, get the hell out," blah, blah, blah. Started cursing her out. Her son came out of jail for like, you know, like, he was, like, a biker, all this stuff, and they all, like, knew each other in the neighborhood, and apparently the guy who had, like, cursed out the mom, they were like... Nobody ever saw him again.

   21. SPSpeaker24:37

       Lee.

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:37

       So if that's true, it's like, gee, I always think about that. I'm like-

   23. SPSpeaker24:40

       Yeah

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:40

       ... "Dude, that's, you know, you just can't be..." You shouldn't yell at an old lady anyway, but you just have no idea who you're dealing with.

   25. SPSpeaker24:45

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:46

       Just might as well chill.

   27. SPSpeaker24:47

       That was one of the creep- creepier things about the Epstein emails or the, the files, the data, was that he ordered 330 gallons of sulfuric acid after he'd been indicted.

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:00

       What does that do?

   29. SPSpeaker25:01

       Dissolves bodies.

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:02

       Oh, no.
8. 25:40 – 35:08

   Sharks, alligators, and invasive reptiles: Florida as a monster ecosystem

   1. SPSpeaker25:40

      Uh, do they have a lot of sharks down there?

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:42

      I would think.

   3. SPSpeaker25:43

      Yeah, like the Bahamas, right? It's like Bahamas area.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:47

      Yeah, I would, I would think so. There's, like, sharks in Florida. I was just in-

   5. SPSpeaker25:50

      Florida, Florida has a lot of sharks.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:51

      Yeah.

   7. SPSpeaker25:51

      Especially bull sharks.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:53

      Yeah, exactly. I w- I was swimming. I brought my friend with me to do shows, and we, he was like, "I'm worried about sharks." I was like, "There's no fucking sharks out here." And we got back, and the Uber driver was like, "Yeah, this is, like, shark season right now." I was like, "Oh, my bad."

   9. SPSpeaker26:02

      Shark season?

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       Yeah, they... And it's, I think it's the bull sharks. I see them all the time down there.

   11. SPSpeaker26:06

       Bull sharks are scary.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:07

       They're the ones that they think are responsible for the murders in New Jersey that inspired Jaws.

   13. SPSpeaker26:12

       Really?

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:13

       Yeah. Do you-

   15. SPSpeaker26:14

       How big, how big do they get?

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:16

       They don't get as big as, like, great whites, but the thing about them is they can swim in fresh water.

   17. SPSpeaker26:21

       Ee.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:22

       So those murders that... Uh, murders, those deaths by shark-

   19. SPSpeaker26:25

       Yeah

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       ... uh, in New Jersey in, like, the early 1900s, they were in a river.

   21. SPSpeaker26:31

       What?

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:31

       Yeah.

   23. SPSpeaker26:33

       Damn.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:33

       So these people were swimming in a river, and they got killed by sharks.

   25. SPSpeaker26:36

       Yeah, you would never expect it either.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:38

       Bull sharks are, like, very aggressive, too.

   27. SPSpeaker26:40

       Are they really?

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:41

       Super aggressive.

   29. SPSpeaker26:42

       Damn.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:42

       They, um... There's the Florida Keys, like, guys fish off the piers down there.
9. 35:08 – 41:39

   How humans used to live: eating less, preserving meat, brutal weather, and vitamin D depletion

   1. SPSpeaker35:08

      So how much do you think we really have to eat? If alligators... If bears don't have to eat all winter, alligators can go one year. Like, do you think we're... I always think, like, oh, do we have to eat every day?

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:17

      Well, we definitely eat more than any people have ever have-

   3. SPSpeaker35:20

      True

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:21

      ... except, like, royals.

   5. SPSpeaker35:22

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan35:22

      You know, that's why people were so tiny. Like, you go back to, like, the Civil War, the average man was, like, 130 pounds.

   7. SPSpeaker35:27

      Yeah, that makes sense.

   8. JRJoe Rogan35:29

      Yeah, 'cause nobody had any food. You know, nobody had any protein.

   9. SPSpeaker35:32

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       But if you think about, like, how much we eat, morning, noon, and then evening, hunter-gatherers, they, they got a meal a day.

   11. SPSpeaker35:43

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:44

       You know? Like, if you got lucky, you had a meal, and you ate as much as you could 'cause there's no way to preserve it, and then you went out the next day and hoped you got another animal.

   13. SPSpeaker35:52

       Yeah, that's kind of wild.

   14. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       Yeah.

   15. SPSpeaker35:53

       You must have spent, like, 6,000 calories a day just trying to get one meal.

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:57

       Yeah, and then other than, like, drying your meat out, there's no way to preserve it.

   17. SPSpeaker36:01

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan36:01

       So they would make jerky or, you know, like, uh... I know in, uh, Mexico, some friends of mine went down there, and they have this traditional way of taking buffalo, and they slice it, like, really, really thin, and then they hang it on, like, a clothes hanger and dry it out.

   19. SPSpeaker36:17

       Really?

   20. JRJoe Rogan36:18

       Yeah.

   21. SPSpeaker36:18

       That's what we need to do.

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:19

       Well, that's what they had to do. They had to figure out how to dry stuff-

   23. SPSpeaker36:22

       Yeah

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:23

       ... 'cause, you know, there's no refr- man, how fucking hard life must have been with no refrigeration.

   25. SPSpeaker36:27

       Dude, it would suck so bad.

   26. JRJoe Rogan36:29

       Suck so bad, man.... I mean, that's like when you go back to the turn of the century, all the diseases that were happening in America, just think about it: no running water, everybody's like shitting in holes in the ground outside the houses. There's no ventilation-

   27. SPSpeaker36:43

       Yeah

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:43

       ... there's no air conditioning-

   29. SPSpeaker36:45

       Oh, yeah, we're, we're fucked

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:46

       ... no vitamins.
10. 41:39 – 53:10

    Caffeine sensitivity, dreams, creativity, and the stimulant culture (Adderall to crack stories)

    1. SPSpeaker41:39

       Yo, I, I remember I heard, um, Huberman had this thing about cortisol, and he's like, "You need to spike your cortisol early in the morning," which I... You know, if I get up and exercise in the morning, like, yeah, that's seems true 'cause I feel good. But then I was like, I, I can't have caffeine anymore. I had to get off completely.

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:53

       Really?

    3. SPSpeaker41:54

       Dude, I have... I, I can't have it. I'm, like, super sensitive to it. If I had a cup of coffee... What time is it right now? If I had a cup of coffee now at 2:00, I would not sleep till midnight.

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:04

       Is that because you don't drink much of it, or is it just-

    5. SPSpeaker42:06

       I don't metabolize it.

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:07

       Oh, interesting.

    7. SPSpeaker42:08

       That's my mom... My dad can drink coffee and fall asleep, but if my mom has coffee, she's... It just, it, like, you have it, and I can feel it just in my body for hours, and I, it's just like a nonstop cor- Like, I love caffeine, the mental effects. My body just can't stand it.

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:22

       ... Have you ever tried, um, nootropics, like theanine-

    9. SPSpeaker42:26

       I've not at all

    10. JRJoe Rogan42:26

        - or acetylcholine?

    11. SPSpeaker42:28

        I'm, I, not acetylcholine, but I've taken L-theanine with it, which helped a little bit, but then I'll just drink more coffee, 'cause I-

    12. JRJoe Rogan42:32

        No, I don't mean with coffee.

    13. SPSpeaker42:34

        Mm.

    14. JRJoe Rogan42:34

        I mean by itself as, like, a little bit of a pick-me-up.

    15. SPSpeaker42:37

        Oh, yeah. No, I, I like, uh... Yeah, I take, I take L-theanine before I go to sleep. I think it kinda helps me sleep.

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:42

        Yeah, I hear that too-

    17. SPSpeaker42:43

        Yeah

    18. JRJoe Rogan42:43

        ... which is interesting, 'cause it helps with your memory. Like, how does it help with your memory and also help you go to sleep?

    19. SPSpeaker42:48

        I don't know.

    20. JRJoe Rogan42:48

        Here it says, "Vitamin D is a fat-soluble nutrient, so pairing it with dietary fat maximizes its absorption in the gut. Take vitamin D supplements with a meal containing fats for optimal uptake. Studies show you can boost serum levels by about 50%. Foods like fatty fish, avocados, olive oil, nut, seeds, or full-fat yogurt provide these fats effectively. Supportive nutrients: Magnesium aids in converting vitamin D to its active form and transporting it in the body. Vitamin K2 works synergistically to direct calcium to bones, enhancing benefits for bone health. Omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil also improve absorption alongside fats." All right, so that's it. So vitamin D you should take with magnesium and K2 and probably some fish oil.

    21. SPSpeaker43:31

        Nice.

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:32

        There you go.

    23. SPSpeaker43:32

        I was eating it after breakfast, though. There we go.

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:34

        Yeah.

    25. SPSpeaker43:34

        I was getting my fats.

    26. JRJoe Rogan43:36

        Yeah.

    27. SPSpeaker43:36

        But, yeah, the caffeine for me, I can't, like... You know, everyone's different, but I, I can't have it. Like, I had-

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:40

        I could drink two double espressos and go to sleep.

    29. SPSpeaker43:43

        That's crazy.

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:43

        Yeah.
11. 53:10 – 1:12:14

    Building stand-up: bombing as fuel, writing methods, and the trap of “the same 45 minutes forever”

    1. SPSpeaker53:10

       I know. That is the... I- kind of is the funnest part, though, to me. Like, when I moved here, I had just, uh... I think, yeah, I think I had just put out an hour or, like, recorded, so I had no... I had to, like, start with, like, new material, which sucks. You move somewhere, you have new stuff, and you're like, "Dude, I have only new shit." It's a bad feeling, but it's like, it, it's exciting 'cause you're like, you don't know how it's gonna go every night. I don't know. I like, I like that.

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:32

       I think it's good. I think it's like... We were talking the other day, uh, about loss, about failure. Like, w- I was talking with Michael Malice about bombing on stage. I think bombing's good, 'cause what happens if you bomb, that feeling, you feel terrible the next day, you feel terrible that night, and then you're like, "I gotta fucking get back on stage-

    3. SPSpeaker53:52

       Yeah

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:52

       ... and really, like, tighten up my shit." And I always have, in the past, made big leaps after I bombed.

    5. SPSpeaker53:58

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:59

       I'm like, I think it's important. Like, failure is important. It sucks. You don't like it, but you gotta go through that. Like, maybe you got overconfident, or maybe you were in a bad mood, or maybe it was, like, whatever.

    7. SPSpeaker54:12

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:12

       So-

    9. SPSpeaker54:12

       No, it, it helps... That, that's what, like, motivates me to write stand-up. If I bomb, I'm like, "All right, now let me, let me, like, dial it in."

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:18

        Right.

    11. SPSpeaker54:19

        'Cause I, I have, like... I'm always doing a bunch of stuff, and like, I'm like, "Oh, I got a show," and I, like, you know, organize kind of against the gun. But yeah, a good... A bomb really is like a [laugh] clarifying... It's good for you, honestly.

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:29

        Yes.... It's good to have a bomb. Well, I used to say that to fighters, too. You lose a fight, it's good, as long as you didn't get really hurt.

    13. SPSpeaker54:35

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:35

        It's good because you... Like, that feeling, go home with that feeling and think about all the stones that you left unturned, all the times where you skipped road work, all the times you skipped strength and conditioning, all the times you were half-assing it in the gym. That guy didn't do that. He just beat you.

    15. SPSpeaker54:51

        Mm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:51

        Now you know.

    17. SPSpeaker54:53

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:53

        You know, you know... Like, you have to understand that there's levels to these- there's levels to dedication, there's levels to competency, and, you know, a good loss is good for you.

    19. SPSpeaker55:03

        Yeah, it kind of, like, you know, again, if you have your tried and true, and you're just going on stage, you know, it's working night after night, you just go home, and you're like, "Ah, whatever." But yeah, when you bomb, it like, for me, it does something in my brain where I go... My thoughts start flying. That, you know-

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:15

        Yeah

    21. SPSpeaker55:15

        ... whatever that is, just helps me get stuff out there.

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:17

        Well, when I lived in Boston, one of the things that was a real problem was there were these, there was these local headliners that had these fucking acts, man. They had 45 minutes of, like, hammered samurai sword.

    23. SPSpeaker55:31

        [chuckles]

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:31

        It was so good, 'cause they had been doing that 45 minutes-

    25. SPSpeaker55:34

        [laughs]

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:34

        ... for a decade and a half.

    27. SPSpeaker55:35

        That's crazy, dude.

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:36

        It was so good. Their timing was so good.

    29. SPSpeaker55:39

        Mm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:39

        Their, the, the pacing was so good. They would crush every night. But after a while, they never added anything new to it.
12. 1:12:14 – 1:21:26

    COVID era memories: fear of infecting others, hospital rules, and how families reacted

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:12:14

       That was the thing that we experienced after COVID. [clears throat] There was a, a moment where I hadn't done stand-up in, like, four or five months.

    2. SPSpeaker1:12:21

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:12:21

       It was... It felt so weird, and then Houston had, uh, stand-up. They, they had clubs open-

    4. SPSpeaker1:12:27

       Mm

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:12:27

       ... and they'd, like, space people out and put masks on them. I'm like, "This is so ridiculous."

    6. SPSpeaker1:12:31

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:12:32

       And, uh, we were doing shows inside, and I only did one weekend, and then I got super paranoid. I'm like, "What if I give it to someone, and then they die?"

    8. SPSpeaker1:12:41

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:12:41

       "Like, why am I being so selfish that I wanna do these shows?"

    10. SPSpeaker1:12:44

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:12:44

        "So I gotta stop." So I-... I had, uh, this old lady on the podcast, and my first thought was: What if I have it and I give it to her?

    12. SPSpeaker1:12:53

        [sighs] Damn, that would suck.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:12:54

        I was so freaked out.

    14. SPSpeaker1:12:56

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:12:57

        I didn't ha- I wasn't even remotely sick. That was what was crazy. Like, uh-

    16. SPSpeaker1:13:00

        Yeah

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:13:00

        ... it was just a, it was a boogeyman.

    18. SPSpeaker1:13:02

        For sure.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:13:03

        You know? It wasn't like, "I'm coughing. Maybe I shouldn't come into work." No, it was like, "I feel great, but what if I have it and I don't know-

    20. SPSpeaker1:13:09

        I know

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:13:09

        ... and I give it to this lady?"

    22. SPSpeaker1:13:11

        Yeah, I... Dude, I had my first kid, right, r- like, March of 2020.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:13:15

        Ooh.

    24. SPSpeaker1:13:16

        So it just... We got out of the hospital, and like a week later I was, like, holding my face in a grocery store and being like, "Fuck, what the hell is going on?"

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:13:22

        Well, at least you could be with her when she gave birth then.

    26. SPSpeaker1:13:24

        Yeah, that was cool.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:13:25

        That was what was crazy.

    28. SPSpeaker1:13:27

        Yeah, I felt bad.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:13:27

        They wouldn't let people... People were dying alone-

    30. SPSpeaker1:13:30

        Mm-hmm
13. 1:21:26 – 1:32:28

    Road life hacks, altitude training, sprinting for aging, and Jelly Roll’s transformation

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:21:26

       You know what my, uh, trick for that is? The moment you land, the moment you land, put your shit in your hotel room, go straight to the gym.

    2. SPSpeaker1:21:34

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:21:34

       No if, ands, or buts about it, you gotta get a workout in.

    4. SPSpeaker1:21:38

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:21:38

       And you gotta sweat, like, really sweat.

    6. SPSpeaker1:21:41

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:21:41

       Just really get it going. Do, do some push-ups, some... Whatever the fuck you wanna do, but just really sweat, and then it feels like it resets your system.

    8. SPSpeaker1:21:50

       I can see that. That would wake you up and kind of calm you down.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:21:52

       Yeah, it w- it resets your system. Like, whatever the fuck happens when you're on a plane, when you get off, you're just like, "Brr."

    10. SPSpeaker1:21:58

        Dude, I feel like I've been microwaved. I get off the plane-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:22:00

        Yeah

    12. SPSpeaker1:22:00

        ... I'm just like-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:22:01

        Well, you have been, kind of.

    14. SPSpeaker1:22:01

        Yeah, [chuckles] pretty much.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:22:02

        Yeah, wow.

    16. SPSpeaker1:22:02

        I feel... Oh, I smell weird.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:22:04

        It's like an X-ray. You're getting X-rayed.

    18. SPSpeaker1:22:05

        Oh, fuck.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:22:06

        Yeah.

    20. SPSpeaker1:22:07

        Trying not to... The, the other day, I was like, "Maybe it's, like, good for me somehow." [laughs]

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:22:10

        [laughs]

    22. SPSpeaker1:22:10

        Like, it's just, like, constricting my blood vessels, and they, like, boost-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:22:14

        Turn you into a superhero? [chuckles]

    24. SPSpeaker1:22:15

        Well, I b- I, like, was in Denver, and I ran... You know, recently, I was, like, running and working out in Denver, and I was like, "I'm probably altered now." I did, like, a 30-minute workout. I'm like, "I'm probably totally different now."

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:22:24

        Well, I lived above Boulder for a while.

    26. SPSpeaker1:22:26

        Oh, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:22:27

        Yeah, and then, uh, I had a gig in Philly. So, uh, I was living up there for a couple of months. I was living at 8,500 feet above sea level, and I'd work out up there.

    28. SPSpeaker1:22:36

        Damn.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:22:36

        And then when I'd go down to Boulder, at 5,500, I had all this endurance. I was like, "This is crazy."

    30. SPSpeaker1:22:41

        Oh, in Denver? Yeah, from Boulder to Denver, you're saying?
14. 1:32:28 – 1:48:09

    Aliens enter the chat: Trump/Obama comments, UAP timing, and Joe’s Bob Lazar deep dive

    1. SPSpeaker1:32:28

       Can I bring your attention to something that's been happening on the internet since we've been live?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:32:32

       Yes.

    3. SPSpeaker1:32:33

       Uh, President Trump was asked about Obama talking about the aliens. I got a video on the screen.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:32:39

       Oh, perfect.

    5. SPSpeaker1:32:40

       I wanna hear it myself.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:32:41

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:32:42

       Barack Obama said that aliens are real. Have you seen any evidence of non-human visitors to Earth?

    8. MMMatt McCusker1:32:50

       Well, he gave classified information. He's not supposed to be doing that, you know?

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:32:54

       So aliens are real?

    10. MMMatt McCusker1:32:55

        Well, I don't know if they're real or not. I can tell you he gave classified information. He's not supposed to be doing that.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:33:00

        Well-

    12. MMMatt McCusker1:33:00

        He made a, he made a big mistake. He took it out of classified information. No, I don't, I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it. Do you believe it, Peter?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:33:13

        I will hit the president-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:33:14

        I do now. [chuckles]

    15. SPSpeaker1:33:16

        ... if he wants to. [chuckles]

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:33:17

        Well, if you wanna make an announcement-

    17. MMMatt McCusker1:33:18

        I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:33:20

        We know illegal aliens.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:33:21

        "I may get him out of trouble by declassifying."

    20. MMMatt McCusker1:33:24

        Legal aliens.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:33:24

        That's hilarious.

    22. MMMatt McCusker1:33:24

        What else?

    23. SPSpeaker1:33:26

        That was it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:33:26

        Ah.

    25. SPSpeaker1:33:27

        That's going around the internet, these, uh, in those circles of these-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:33:29

        "I may get him out of trouble by declassifying." Geez, I, I hope he does.

    27. SPSpeaker1:33:35

        [chuckles]

    28. SPSpeaker1:33:35

        Yeah, really.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:33:36

        Yeah. Can you imagine you can go to... You can get in trouble as a president for saying aliens are real?

    30. SPSpeaker1:33:41

        I, I don't think so, man. I, I don't think he's gonna get in trouble for that.
15. 1:48:09 – 1:56:19

    Media rules vs censorship: Colbert’s “equal time” controversy and a Texas political subplot

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:48:09

       Hey, what is the official story of The Colbert Show, where they had to air that Talarico interview on YouTube? Because I'm hearing two versions. I'm hearing one version is that CBS wouldn't let them air it, because, like, Trump was involved and the government was involved-

    2. SPSpeaker1:48:29

       Mm-hmm

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:48:29

       ... somehow or another, because they're worried about this Talarico guy. He's this very, uh, charismatic guy in Texas that I really like. He's a very nice guy. I had him on the show. Um, Brian Simpson told me about him. And then the other thing that I'm hearing is, no, with FCC equal time rules, if he had Talarico on, he would also have to have Talarico's opponent, which is, I think, Jasmine Crockett. Is that true?

    4. SPSpeaker1:48:53

       I don't even know who he had on.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:48:53

       Or whoever his opponent is. So I think there's rules like that for the FCC-

    6. SPSpeaker1:48:58

       Oh

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:48:58

       ... that don't exist for podcasts. You know what I'm saying?

    8. SPSpeaker1:49:01

       Uh, yeah, yeah, they have to balance it.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:49:02

       Yeah. Like, if you have this person on that's running for office, you also have to have someone that is opposing them running.

    10. SPSpeaker1:49:08

        Okay.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:49:08

        They have to have equal time.

    12. SPSpeaker1:49:09

        I didn't know they had... Is that true? So he was on, he was on Colbert's sh- whose show was he on?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:49:15

        Yeah.... Stephen Colbert show.

    14. SPSpeaker1:49:17

        Okay.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:49:17

        And so they were framing it like it was, uh, the government was censoring this guy 'cause they're wor- and he was saying they're worried that they're gonna flip Texas.

    16. SPSpeaker1:49:26

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:49:26

        That's what he's saying. I don't know if that's true, though, because I, I'm-

    18. SPSpeaker1:49:33

        So it's the diff- I... Honestly, this sounds like it's, uh, Colbert saying one thing, CBS lawyers are saying a different thing.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:49:39

        Oh, okay. What are CBS lawyers saying?

    20. SPSpeaker1:49:42

        They're saying that it's the FT- FCC thing. Colbert says, quote, here: "They know damn well every word of my script was approved by CBS lawyers, who, for the record, approve every script that goes on the air."

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:49:53

        Yeah, but it's not about the script, it's about the humans, the people that are on. If the people are... Yeah, here it is-

    22. SPSpeaker1:49:58

        He stopped this.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:49:58

        "The show provided legal guidance that the broadcast could trigger the FCC equal time rule for two other candidates, including Rep Jasmine Crockett, and presented options for how equal time for other candidates could be fulfilled." So you would have to have equal time. Colbert scoffed at the statement during Tuesday's show: "They know damn well every word of my script..." But it doesn't have anything to do with the script. Said, "They know damn well that every word of my script last night was approved by CBS lawyers, who, for the record, approved every script that goes on the air." But that's just diverting-

    24. SPSpeaker1:50:33

        It really-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:50:33

        ... because that's not what the subject is.

    26. SPSpeaker1:50:35

        It says we're done here.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:50:36

        Okay. "I got called backstage to get more notes from these lawyers, something that had never, ever happened before. They told us the language they wanted me to use to describe that equal time exception, and I used that language," Colbert said, "So I don't know what this is about." He went on to say he wasn't mad at the network and does not want an adversarial relationship. Well, he's on his way out anyway.

    28. SPSpeaker1:50:58

        Yeah, I thought he-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:50:59

        Right?

    30. SPSpeaker1:50:59

        I didn't know he still was doing the show.
16. 1:56:19 – 2:24:22

    Therapy, academia, and ‘woke’ training: Matt’s social work program, clinic realities, and who gets “helped”

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:56:19

       Oh, really?

    2. SPSpeaker1:56:20

       Yeah, I was like a... I, I went to school for social work for a while, and, uh-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:56:23

       So, like, what kind of counseling would you do?

    4. SPSpeaker1:56:25

       Just, like, therapy. I would- There was a... It was a, it was a really cool... The way they did it was, like, it was, you know, it was a charter school, and I was there as an intern, 'cause I was, I was getting my master's in social work. So they would have interns there as therapists for the school kids, basically, so that the kids could get free therapy at school if they were exhibiting kind of problems or whatever.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:56:42

       Mm.

    6. SPSpeaker1:56:43

       So it was like, I worked at a s- like, it was, like, an inner-city school in Philly, and I would just go there and chill in an office, and they would just, like... I'd have to get kids from class, and they would just come. We would, like, talk couple times a week, and then you could bring their family in if they, if they're, like, they had problems at home. You'd be like, "All right, let's call the mom and dad."

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:56:56

       This is what this guy was talking about. This is what Talarico was talking about, what they cut funding for.

    8. SPSpeaker1:57:00

       Yeah, it's a shame, 'cause this-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:57:01

       Yeah

    10. SPSpeaker1:57:01

        ... this school was, like, they kind of, like, ran it thems- They were, I guess they were getting funded by the, uh, state, but they, the way they got around it was just using interns. So it wasn't like, you know-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:57:10

        Mm

    12. SPSpeaker1:57:10

        ... you're not getting, like, the most experienced people in the world.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:57:13

        But you're getting some help.

    14. SPSpeaker1:57:14

        Getting something, man, you know?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:57:15

        Yeah.

    16. SPSpeaker1:57:15

        So.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:57:15

        Well, this kid that he was talking about, he had this very detailed story about this kid, who was, like, a good kid, just came from a fucked-up house.

    18. SPSpeaker1:57:22

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:57:23

        And he wanted... And these people around him were the only positive influences that he had ever had, and he was starting to get better.

    20. SPSpeaker1:57:29

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:57:29

        And then they took it away, and he starts falling apart.

    22. SPSpeaker1:57:32

        Yeah, and it, dude, it's also, like, you don't- you forget, like, you know, 'cause there's, like... For kids, when you, like... Especially you're, like, in a city, and kids are telling you, like, their lives, it's, like, it's fucking heartbreaking.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:57:43

        It is.

    24. SPSpeaker1:57:43

        Like, the shit- like, their day-to-day setup-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:57:45

        Horrific

    26. SPSpeaker1:57:45

        ... you'd be like, "Fucking Christ, man."

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:57:46

        Yeah.

    28. SPSpeaker1:57:47

        And then they're just looking at you like, "What do I do?" And I'm like, "You gotta hang in there. There's nothing I... There's, there's literally nothing I can tell you to do. You just gotta hang in there," and like-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:57:53

        Right.

    30. SPSpeaker1:57:54

        It was sad, but it was, it was one of, like, my favorite... I- if I didn't do stand-up, I would probably do that for a job.

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