Joe Rogan Experience #2463 - Steve-O

Joe Rogan 0:02 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

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0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Headphones, no headphones? How you wanna do it?

Steve-O 0:13 Yeah, I don't need headphones.

Joe Rogan 0:14 You don't... We're going no headphones.

Steve-O 0:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 0:16 Fuck it. What's up, dog? How are you?

Steve-O 0:18 Well, dude, it's been a rollercoaster for me, man. It really-

Joe Rogan 0:21 Since the last time I saw you?

Steve-O 0:23 Uh, big time.

Joe Rogan 0:24 What happened?

Steve-O 0:25 Well, um, let's see here. Um. The, uh, the year of 2022. Last time I saw you, I think it was 2023.

Joe Rogan 0:37 Was it that long ago?

Steve-O 0:38 I think it was, man.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Was it? Okay.

Steve-O 0:40 Yeah. And, uh, man, dude, I was on a high the, the year of 2022. Like, we had, uh, our Jackass movie in theaters, number one. It was big, like, you know, my profile was all, you know, like, white hot. Um, the world just opened up from the pandemic, and everybody had stimulus money, and they were just revenge spending. Everyone wanted to go out to shows, and there were no interest rates. Money was free. It was just, like, a perfect storm for me to have the most successful year of my life. Like, more than double what my next most successful year was. And then, like, I don't know, I- maybe I just got, like, uh, super, super high on that, you know? Like, and it was just like m- I, I f- I was just kind of printing money, you know? Like, selling merch like crazy, and, like, everything was just going so well. And, um, I don't know if maybe, like, you become more successful and, like, people get angry at you, [laughs] you know? But, uh, there's a p- like, a point after that where I felt like, man, the internet turned on me, kinda. You know? Like, I saw a lot of negative comments, people saying that, uh, like, all I do is promote merch. You know, like, there was, uh, there was a bunch of different stuff, and I, um, legitimately agree. That's my thing, is w- when I see a negative comment about me, if I agree with it, then it really bothers me, you know? And I gotta do something-

Joe Rogan 2:16 Right

Steve-O 2:16 ... about it, you know? I think... And, and I've heard you say that, that, uh, you know, that, that, that, uh, taking criticism constructively is, like, super helpful.

Joe Rogan 2:26 It's very helpful.

Steve-O 2:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:27 The problem with the internet is there's t- it's overwhelming. It's too many, too many voices.

Steve-O 2:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:32 Too many different people.

Steve-O 2:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:33 That's why I would never recommend for a person like you to even read the comments.

Steve-O 2:37 Right. I... W- what I did was, um-

Joe Rogan 2:40 Do you have a dick tattooed on your right eyebrow?

Steve-O 2:42 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:43 Is that what that is?

Steve-O 2:44 That's exactly what-

Joe Rogan 2:45 How long do you have to keep that for?

Steve-O 2:46 I don't have to keep it for any amount of time, but-

Joe Rogan 2:48 Is it on a bet or anything?

Steve-O 2:49 Uh, I mean, it is a bet, how long it'll last before I get it lasered off.

Joe Rogan 2:53 And is there a, a money-

Steve-O 2:56 No

Joe Rogan 2:56 ... value to this bet?

Steve-O 2:57 No, it's more of a, an experiment. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:00 Oh.

Steve-O 3:01 But I, but I've been doing really well with it and-

Joe Rogan 3:02 It's not even a good dick.

Steve-O 3:03 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:04 It's, like, a weird dick. Like a banana dick. 'Cause it's-

Steve-O 3:08 Um, it, it's, it's, uh, it's pretty awesome. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:11 [laughs]

Steve-O 3:12 And it, and it was, uh-

Joe Rogan 3:13 I thought you were bad at taking criticism. [laughs]

Steve-O 3:17 [laughs] It, uh, it, it, it was done by Post Malone.

Joe Rogan 3:21 Oh.

Steve-O 3:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:21 Well, that makes it even better.

Steve-O 3:22 Very... It makes it awesome. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:24 Yeah.

Steve-O 3:24 I don't expect to keep it forever, but I was very shocked when I got it that my life didn't really change a whole lot.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Eh, it's you.

Steve-O 3:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:33 You know what I mean?

Steve-O 3:33 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:33 Like, if, uh, you know-

Steve-O 3:35 Right

Joe Rogan 3:36 ... Marco Rubio got a dick tattooed on his forehead-

Steve-O 3:38 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:38 ... they'd be like, "Hey, take his-"

Steve-O 3:39 Right

Joe Rogan 3:39 ... "fucking clearance away."

Steve-O 3:41 Yeah. Um, but a- in any case, man, like, um, I, uh, I, I just... And you're, you couldn't be more right. There's so many voices and everything. But I agreed with a bunch of stuff and, um, you know, I spent, like, um, 2024, 2025, like, like, very mindfully, um, addressing the, you know, the criticism with which I agreed. And I felt like I made, like, really good progress, you know? Like, sort of, uh, repairing my, my reputation, even though maybe I didn't even need to.

Joe Rogan 4:16 I don't think you needed to.

Steve-O 4:17 [laughs]

Steve-O 4:18 Maybe not. But, uh... And, and then coming into 2026, I was like, "Wow, I did this." I, I, I, uh, texted you. I was like, "Dude, I've, I've got on this MrBeast thing. I won the whole damn thing." And, uh, you know, the, this video, he made 30 celebrities compete to win a million dollars for charity.

Joe Rogan 4:38 Oh.

Steve-O 4:38 And-

Joe Rogan 4:38 Who were you on with?

Steve-O 4:39 Uh, dude, it was b- uh, so Matt Rife was one of them.

Joe Rogan 4:42 Oh, cool.

Steve-O 4:43 Sal Vulcano.

Joe Rogan 4:44 Oh, nice.

Steve-O 4:45 Howie Mandel.

Joe Rogan 4:47 Nice.

Steve-O 4:47 Diplo.

Joe Rogan 4:48 Nice.

Steve-O 4:48 The Bella twins.

Joe Rogan 4:50 Oh, the... So that's a crazy group of people.

Steve-O 4:52 It was really crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:53 You said there was 20? 20 people?

Steve-O 4:55 30 of them.

Joe Rogan 4:55 30? Oh, wow.

Steve-O 4:56 Yeah, 30.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Wow.

Steve-O 4:57 Like, like, not half-ass celebrities by any measure. And, uh, yeah, I won the whole damn thing, which was-

Joe Rogan 5:03 So what was involved? What'd you have to do?

Steve-O 5:05 Um, there was, uh, the... I mean, it was, it was an exercise in promoting his Beast Games on Prime.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Uh-huh.

Steve-O 5:13 Which, by the way, is the most phenomenal TV show that I've ever watched. It's like-

Joe Rogan 5:17 Yeah, my daughter was just telling me about it. She was saying it's so good.

Steve-O 5:20 It is unbelievably good. And, and I'm not being paid to say that, like-

Joe Rogan 5:24 He's a wizard, man. That dude's very smart.

Steve-O 5:26 Yeah, I got to-

Joe Rogan 5:27 He, he's, like, a really interesting guy, like, 'cause he's kind of open about what he does, and he tells people how to do it.

Steve-O 5:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:33 You know, like, how to manipulate the algorithm and how to get people to get excited and click on your link based on what-

Steve-O 5:39 Right

Joe Rogan 5:39 ... the image is and the text says and-

Steve-O 5:41 Yeah

Joe Rogan 5:41 ... he thinks about all that shit. Yeah.

Steve-O 5:44 I, I was able to have him on my podcast, uh, like, right, right when the thing came out.

Joe Rogan 5:50 Uh-huh.

Steve-O 5:50 And, uh, he was telling me that, um, that he was pretty close to recording a podcast with you on-

Joe Rogan 5:57 In, in, in Asia

Steve-O 5:57 ... the top of the pyramid.

Joe Rogan 5:59 Yeah.I couldn't make it out there.

Steve-O 6:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:02 I didn't have the time.

Steve-O 6:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:04 But-

Steve-O 6:04 But he, no, he, he, he's amazing. And I thought when that thing came out, I was like, "Man, this is just gonna, like, be life all the time."

Joe Rogan 6:10 Well, here's the thing. People got mad at him. They got mad at him when he was filming in Egypt because he was filming with, uh, Zahi Hawass, and Zahi is the... What is he, the head of the Ministry of Antiquities? Is that what it is? [coughs] Or he was at one point in time. He was one of, you know, my most controversial podcast guests. People did not like him.

Steve-O 6:28 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 6:28 Because he's kind of... He pushes a narrative in defiance of a- all the evidence that has been sort of uncovered by all these other people. It's like there's this evidence that shows that, you know, the pyramids are c-

Steve-O 6:49 Okay, so you're not talking about MrBeast

Joe Rogan 6:49 ... built by these guys. Yeah, MrBeast.

Steve-O 6:51 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:51 'Cause MrBeast did something with him, and a lot of people online-

Steve-O 6:54 Oh, right, right, right

Joe Rogan 6:55 ... were mad at him for having this guy on, Zahi Hawass.

Steve-O 6:57 And it's the guy who pushes the narrative.

Joe Rogan 6:59 Yeah. Like, n- look, nobody knows how they built the pyramids, and he's like, "They built it because it was a national project." And I was like, "Come on, bro." Like-

Steve-O 7:06 Right

Joe Rogan 7:06 ... that's a fun thing to say, but that doesn't tell me how they got all those rocks there. How-

Steve-O 7:11 Right

Joe Rogan 7:11 ... tell me how they got 2,300,000 stones that weigh between two and, like, 80 tons-

Steve-O 7:17 Right

Joe Rogan 7:17 ... and they moved them through the mountains, some of them 500 miles away. Like, tell, well, tell me how they did that. Tell me how they aligned it to true source north, south, east, and west 4,500 plus years ago, and it's more likely plus than minus. I mean, nobody knows. So he-

Steve-O 7:32 Right

Joe Rogan 7:32 ... so that was really controversial. A lot of people were mad at MrBeast for that. What... In the, like, the algorithm that I have, people were-

Steve-O 7:38 Right

Joe Rogan 7:38 ... calling him a shill and letting this guy say nonsense on your show.

Steve-O 7:42 Wow, okay.

Joe Rogan 7:43 So that's the point is, like, don't listen.

Steve-O 7:46 Right, right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 7:46 Like, nobody gives a shit. No, none, none of MrBeast's fans are like, "We're gonna abandon him. He had Zahi Hawass on-"

Steve-O 7:51 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 7:51 "... spitting out propaganda." Nobody, nobody cares, man.

Steve-O 7:55 Right, right. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 7:55 There's just too many voices, and if you-

Steve-O 7:57 Right

Joe Rogan 7:57 ... look at yourself. If you feel like, "Oh, I'm kinda whoring out my merch too much," just back off of it.

Steve-O 8:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:02 Just back off.

Steve-O 8:03 That's what I did. That-

Joe Rogan 8:04 But-

Steve-O 8:04 That's what I did

Joe Rogan 8:04 ... he gets shit for everything because he's uber successful.

Steve-O 8:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Right? So everything he does, like, it, it could be like, "He only gave away a million dollars to charity."

Steve-O 8:14 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 8:14 Like, it's fucking, it's fucking ridiculous, man. Like-

Steve-O 8:18 Right

Joe Rogan 8:18 ... you'll never make all those people happy. They don't wanna be happy.

Steve-O 8:22 That's-

Joe Rogan 8:22 That's a big part of what's going on.

Steve-O 8:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:24 You're, you're jumping into a pool of mentally ill people and trying to stay clean.

Steve-O 8:29 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 8:29 You're like washing. "Hey, g- guys, guys, guys, let's be reasonable."

Steve-O 8:32 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 8:33 They're not reasonable. They're fucking suicidal. They know what a gun tastes like. They've had it in their mouth recently.

Steve-O 8:38 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 8:38 This is not a place where you're gonna get, like, rational-

Steve-O 8:41 Right

Joe Rogan 8:41 ... discourse.

Steve-O 8:42 Right. But again, it's when I agree with stuff that, that, that, um-

Joe Rogan 8:46 Right, that it bothers you.

Steve-O 8:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:47 But do that to yourself.

Steve-O 8:48 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 8:48 Just look at yourself. Take a moment.

Steve-O 8:50 Yeah. Like d- like there was a... I don't know if I was burned out, like, if I was touring, but, like, um, there was a point going through 2022 in particular, 2023, where, like, I just... I, I, I would lose my mind over people being disruptive in the audience at my shows. Like, I don't even wanna, um, call them hecklers because I think, like, heckler has, like, a connotation of wittiness to it. I'm talking about just drunk shitheads just-

Joe Rogan 9:22 Right

Steve-O 9:22 ... yelling s-

Joe Rogan 9:23 Yeah

Steve-O 9:23 ... yelling out and then, and disrupting the show, and I would take the position. I would be like, "Man, you know, uh, the, th- this whole audience of people paid their hard-earned money to come see this show, and this one person yelling out is just fundamentally disrespecting everybody who's here, and I'm not standing for it. I'm drawing a hard..." You know?

Joe Rogan 9:45 Right.

Steve-O 9:45 And I would be like... I would, I would s- I would snap, be like, "No," and I would be throwing people out. What happened was everybody thought I was a dick, you know? And, like, maybe so.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Mm.

Steve-O 9:56 Like, maybe I, I was burned out, and it was, like, this-

Joe Rogan 9:58 You were overreacting. Right.

Steve-O 9:59 Overreacting.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Yeah.

Steve-O 10:00 And, and, like, that's, that's another piece of criticism that I really, really took to heart, and now it's been over two years, like, well over two years since I've even scolded an audience member-

Joe Rogan 10:13 That's cool

Steve-O 10:14 ... or throw them out.

Joe Rogan 10:15 That's great. You just gotta kinda put that energy out there at the beginning, we're all here to have a good time, you know?

Steve-O 10:20 Sure.

Joe Rogan 10:20 We're all, we're all here to have a good time. Let them know. It's like, like, if someone's yelling out, like, "Come on, man. Keep it to yourself. Stay, stay calm."

Steve-O 10:28 Well, right. The, the, the-

Joe Rogan 10:29 "Hold it together."

Steve-O 10:30 If I get, like, really pushed in an, in an egregious situation, the farthest I'll go is I'll say, "Hey, you know what, guys? I used to get really bent out of shape over people being disruptive, but I don't do it anymore." And that tends to d-

Joe Rogan 10:43 That's good.

Steve-O 10:43 And, and as soon as I stopped reacting so much, like, the problem mellowed out. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 10:48 Well, you gotta realize, like, your entire career, you've kinda been a disruptor.

Steve-O 10:52 Sure.

Joe Rogan 10:52 So it's kind of natural-

Steve-O 10:54 Right

Joe Rogan 10:54 ... that disruptive people would be attracted to come to your show.

Steve-O 10:57 Of course. Of course. I get it.

Joe Rogan 10:59 And then you're, you're saying, "Please be polite at this m- moment in time." [laughs]

Steve-O 11:03 [laughs] Right. Yeah, like, you're, you're about to see me put some things up my butt, and I demand respect. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 11:08 Is that what you do on your show? You put stuff up your butt?

Steve-O 11:10 I, I... Well, it's a multimedia show, so-

Joe Rogan 11:14 Mm.

Steve-O 11:14 Um, so it, like, it, it, it's-

Joe Rogan 11:15 So of course you put something up your butt.

Steve-O 11:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 11:17 It's multimedia. I mean, that-

Steve-O 11:18 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 11:19 ... self-explanatory, Jamie. Why... What's with the questions, Jamie?

Steve-O 11:23 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 11:23 God.

Steve-O 11:25 Right. Um, but yeah, the-

Joe Rogan 11:26 Bro, I still to this day cringe when Tim Kennedy choked you unconscious-

Steve-O 11:30 Oh

Joe Rogan 11:30 ... and then let you drop. I was m-

Steve-O 11:32 Right

Joe Rogan 11:32 ... mad at him.

Steve-O 11:33 Yeah, that, that was-

Joe Rogan 11:34 I was mad at him. He didn't have to let you drop like that.

Steve-O 11:37 I did ask him to drop me, which was wrong.

Joe Rogan 11:39 I would've said no.

Steve-O 11:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:40 I would've said no. If you made me do that to you, first of all, I would've-

Steve-O 11:43 Right

Joe Rogan 11:43 ... tried to talk you out of it, but then I would've said, "There's no way I'm gonna let you drop."

Steve-O 11:47 In hindsight, it wasn't particularly funny. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 11:51 Not only was it not funny, it was, like, super disturbing.

Steve-O 11:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:54 I would've put a cushion under you at the very least.

Steve-O 11:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:56 You know? Like a nice-

Steve-O 11:58 Like a-

Joe Rogan 11:58 Like a-

Steve-O 11:58 Right

Joe Rogan 11:59 ... like one of them judo pads where they throw people on.

Steve-O 12:01 Especially being choked out in and of itself is not-

Joe Rogan 12:05 Not that bad

Steve-O 12:05 ... it's not, it's not really a dangerous thing.

Joe Rogan 12:06 Probably not the best way.

Steve-O 12:08 Right

Joe Rogan 12:08 Yeah, I don't know what the data is. I don't think a lot of jujitsu people have, uh, done double-blind ple- placebo controlled studies on-

Steve-O 12:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 12:16 ... tap or no tap, what's the best for your brain.

Steve-O 12:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:19 I can't think it's good that your brain gets shut off for a few seconds. I can't think it's good, you know?

Steve-O 12:25 One of the gnarliest things I've ever done in my life, if not the gnarliest, um, way back in 2003, we had just had the first Jackass movie come out. While filming for the first Jackass movie, one of the bits that... It was never used because it was too dark.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Too far tough?

Steve-O 12:45 Too f- yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:45 For, for Jackass?

Steve-O 12:46 For Jackass.

Joe Rogan 12:47 [laughs]

Steve-O 12:48 Right. They got-

Joe Rogan 12:48 Do you have a clip of this?

Steve-O 12:50 Um, of, of what? I, I'm sure that it exists.

Joe Rogan 12:54 Okay.

Steve-O 12:54 But you, you'll appreciate this.

Joe Rogan 12:56 Okay.

Steve-O 12:56 The, the, the legend Gene LeBell.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Oh, Judo Gene.

Steve-O 13:00 Judo Gene, the legend.

Joe Rogan 13:02 A real legend.

Steve-O 13:03 Yeah. Like, they had Gene LeBell, they lined up the whole cast of Jackass, and he just went down the line.

Joe Rogan 13:09 Just choked you all out?

Steve-O 13:10 Just... Yeah. And like the swiftness with which he got it.

Joe Rogan 13:14 Oh, yeah. He was a brutal man.

Steve-O 13:15 I mean, it was just like, and he was just like-

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yeah

Steve-O 13:17 ... I'm sorry. And he made-

Joe Rogan 13:18 Super nice guy, but a brutal man.

Steve-O 13:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:21 You know?

Steve-O 13:21 And it was, it, it wasn't even brutal though. It was, like, gentle.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Oh, really?

Steve-O 13:24 It was just like, I mean, it was just so fast. It was just...

Joe Rogan 13:26 His style was, uh, known for being particularly painful.

Steve-O 13:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 He, uh, my friend Silvio Pimenta was one of his students, and he was one of my first jujitsu instructors, and he taught me a bunch of Gene's stuff, and I was like, "Oh, what a mean guy." [laughs]

Steve-O 13:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:40 Like, some of the stuff was so mean.

Steve-O 13:42 I-

Joe Rogan 13:42 It was like knuckles in your neck and, like, real, real crazy shit that Gene would do to people.

Steve-O 13:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:48 That was, like, particularly painful.

Steve-O 13:49 Yeah, there you go.

Joe Rogan 13:50 There you go. Out cold. Oh, yeah, that looks gentle.

Steve-O 13:52 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 13:54 Super gentle. No, I'm not even kidding, like, the way he's doing it. I mean-

Steve-O 13:57 Right

Joe Rogan 13:57 ... his technique is so flawless.

Steve-O 13:59 You know, that, um, Chuck, Chuck Liddell was really good at it, too. He, he choked me out one time. Um, so, so-

Joe Rogan 14:06 Who, who did he punch, who did he punch in the arm full blast? Some- someone like that, one of you guys.

Steve-O 14:13 Oh, that would've been before Jackass.

Joe Rogan 14:15 Was it Jason Ellis? I forget who it was, but someone let Chuck full blast right-hand them in the arm. I'm like, "Well, that arm's useless for a couple of months now."

Steve-O 14:24 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 14:25 Fucking cra- That's not... Like, your buddy punching you in the arm versus Chuck Lidd- He's gonna rip some stuff apart in there.

Steve-O 14:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:32 He might blow your shoulder out. Like, that's crazy to let that guy hit you.

Steve-O 14:36 Yeah, what a sweetheart, too.

Joe Rogan 14:37 Oh, he's a great guy. Chu- Chuck was the weirdest because when he was in his prime, like, you look at him, he was so scary. 'Cause he's tall, he was fucking built like a brick shit house, mohawk, tattoo on his head. Super kind.

Steve-O 14:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:50 Like, you talk to him, super calm and relaxed-

Steve-O 14:52 Yeah

Joe Rogan 14:52 ... and, you know?

Steve-O 14:53 Yeah, I spent a bunch of time with, with Chuck.

Joe Rogan 14:55 Great fucking guy. Great fucking guy.

Steve-O 14:57 Okay, so Gene LeBell, like, choked Lay- just lays us all down one by one.

Joe Rogan 15:01 Okay.

Steve-O 15:02 It, like, they considered it too dark. They didn't even, like, edit it.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Just 'cause you went unconscious?

Steve-O 15:06 Yeah, yeah, just, like, maybe-

Joe Rogan 15:07 What year was this?

Steve-O 15:08 In 2002 that we filmed the first one.

Joe Rogan 15:10 People weren't used to being, being choked out yet.

Steve-O 15:12 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:12 The UFC didn't really get big until 2005.

Steve-O 15:15 Right, because of Chuck.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Really.

Steve-O 15:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Well, it was really because of Stephan Bonnar and Forrest Griffin.

Steve-O 15:20 Right, right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 15:20 That one fight-

Steve-O 15:22 Yeah

Joe Rogan 15:22 ... on the Ult- It's crazy. One fight on The Ultimate Fighter changed the course of, of the history of the sport.

Steve-O 15:30 That was the premiere on Spike, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:31 Uh-huh. Because there was a good fight before that. D- uh, Diego Sanchez, uh, beat, uh, Kenny Florian, so that was before that. That was a really good fight, too. And then, but, but that was like, you know, Diego beat his ass. B- whereas the, the Stephan Bonnar, Forrest Griffin fight was a crazy, like m- like, completely even fight.

Steve-O 15:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:52 And two dudes who knew each other really well, and they were fucking going for it. They said that during the time, you know, like, maybe a million people were watching it at first, and the peak was, like, six or seven million, which for them was nuts. So what that meant was everybody was calling their friend and go, "Dude, turn on Spike TV right now."

Steve-O 16:10 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 16:10 "This is crazy." And like, "What is this?" Like, no one knew what it was back then. Like, they had heard of Royce Gracie, but no one knew that it was gonna be on TV, and then, like, boom, that was it. And then they had Chuck as the champion, which was-

Steve-O 16:23 Yeah

Joe Rogan 16:24 ... the perfect champion for an emerging sport. This guy was just a seek and destroy psychopath-

Steve-O 16:30 Yeah

Joe Rogan 16:30 ... with a tattoo, like, Kanji tattoo on his head and a mohawk, just fucking starching people. Woo.

Steve-O 16:37 I remember that era, too.

Joe Rogan 16:38 Wild time.

Steve-O 16:39 Uh, it, it, I mean, year 2000 was when Jackass came out on MTV.

Joe Rogan 16:44 Mm.

Steve-O 16:44 And I mean, at that time you couldn't watch video on the internet.

Joe Rogan 16:48 That was the dark times.

Steve-O 16:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:49 That was when it was banned from-

Steve-O 16:52 Right

Joe Rogan 16:52 ... cable, and you could only watch... I got DirecTV because it was the only way you could watch the UFC.

Steve-O 16:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:57 That's why I got DirecTV.

Steve-O 16:59 Um, and, and, and, uh, the media just wasn't so fragmented at that time.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Right.

Steve-O 17:06 There were only so many TV channels. There was no social media, no video on the internet.

Joe Rogan 17:10 Right.

Steve-O 17:11 So when something hit on basic cable-

Joe Rogan 17:14 It hit big.

Steve-O 17:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:15 Yeah.

Steve-O 17:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Yeah.

Steve-O 17:16 And, uh, I think the most views, the most, uh, concurrent viewers on MTV that we got was, like, 4.5 million. So-

Joe Rogan 17:24 Mm

Steve-O 17:25 ... and, and that-

Joe Rogan 17:27 For cable, that's a lot

Steve-O 17:28 ... that moved the needle in a big way back then.

Joe Rogan 17:29 That's unheard of now.

Steve-O 17:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Which is really kinda crazy if you think about it.

Steve-O 17:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 17:34 So much things have gotten diluted because there's so many sho- It's impossible to watch everything.

Steve-O 17:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Every time I turn on Apple TV, there's some new interesting show.

Steve-O 17:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:44 There's a fucking million of them on Amazon Prime that you've never even heard of that are really good. They're all over the place.

Steve-O 17:50 Right. Man, you know, um, I had, uh, the, a really great conversation with Mark McGrath, the guy from Sugar Ray.

Joe Rogan 17:57 Oh, really?

Steve-O 17:58 Yeah, he's a... Like, I just fell in love with this guy. I had him on my podcast. And, um, he made such a valid point about how the '90s, '90s nostalgia is so rad because it was really the last time when everybody-Watched the same shows on TV together.

Joe Rogan 18:18 Right.

Steve-O 18:18 You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 18:19 Yeah

Steve-O 18:19 ... every, like all the albums came out on the Tuesday or like whatever-

Joe Rogan 18:22 Uh-huh

Steve-O 18:22 ... you know, like everything, every... It was a, a communal audience for everything.

Joe Rogan 18:26 Right.

Steve-O 18:27 We don't, we don't have that anymore.

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Joe Rogan 19:45 Well, we knew when albums were gonna be released, and everybody got excited about it.

Steve-O 19:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Oh, a new Van Halen. Ooh.

Steve-O 19:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:52 Yeah, it was, it was a fun time. It was a, an interesting time, and it was a, a time, like before the internet, you had to find out about stuff from friends.

Steve-O 20:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:01 You know? Like I remember, uh, I was headed to a, a gig with this dude... God, I wish I could remember his last name, but he was really funny. His name, Johnny something. Fuck. I'll, I'll, I'll remember it eventually. But we were on our way to this g- uh, comic from Connecticut. We were on our way to a gig together and, uh, he's like, "Have you, uh, heard of The Brand New Heavies?" And I go, "No. W- who are they?" He goes, "It's a jazz band, and they linked up with a bunch of rappers and made this, uh, Heavy Rhyme Experience album." It was fucking incredible. I'm like, I would've never found out about this.

Steve-O 20:32 That sounds sick.

Joe Rogan 20:32 Oh, it's sick, dude. There's, there's one with, uh, Gang Starr that's great. It's Getting Hectic. It's fucking great 'cause it's like you got this music that's like this, like real live band music. Sort of like how that Tiny Desk show does it now.

Steve-O 20:48 See, I don't even know the Tiny Desks. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 20:49 Um, but like you got-

Steve-O 20:51 I do

Joe Rogan 20:51 ... like Kool G Rap.

Steve-O 20:53 Oh, dude, Kool G Rap.

Joe Rogan 20:54 That's it, Johnny Rizzo. How did you do that?

Speaker 20:57 Just another trick. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 21:00 How the fuck did you do that?

Speaker 21:00 There's tr- you've studied this show before

Joe Rogan 21:02 Shout out to Johnny Rizzo

Speaker 21:03 ... you can. There's transcripts online.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Is he around still?

Speaker 21:05 Uh...

Joe Rogan 21:06 He was a funny dude.

Speaker 21:10 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 21:11 He had like a rubber face. The dude could make the craziest faces. You're like, it w- it was so funny.

Steve-O 21:16 Yeah. Back to the, the choking out thing, I think the reason why it was, uh, the dark and disturbing-

Joe Rogan 21:22 'Cause you guys were twitching when you were out?

Steve-O 21:23 Well, yeah, it's the twitching.

Joe Rogan 21:24 Yeah.

Steve-O 21:24 When, when you, when you get choked out, you're twitching, and then-

Joe Rogan 21:27 Ah

Steve-O 21:27 ... that's a little bit of-

Joe Rogan 21:28 That's just waking up

Steve-O 21:29 ... it's a little bit upsetting.

Joe Rogan 21:30 It's not-

Steve-O 21:30 But the, the, the-

Joe Rogan 21:32 That's hilarious, all the shit you guys did that they left in.

Steve-O 21:35 Well, yeah, and, and another big problem is that with the choking out, it's particularly imitatable. That's something that we gotta worry about.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Oh. Okay.

Steve-O 21:44 If, um-

Joe Rogan 21:45 Yeah

Steve-O 21:46 ... i- if it's something that little kids could, like pretty easily imitate, then, uh, that's more problematic for us. But in that whole, you know, experience, Ryan Dunn just came away feeling qualified [laughs] to start choking people out himself.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Oh, no.

Steve-O 22:06 I don't know that Ryan Dunn had any kind of a combat sports background. I kinda doubt it. I think it was literally just from this one experience with Gene LeBell, kind of watching it happen, h- having the experience himself. He just started choking people out.

Joe Rogan 22:22 Oh.

Steve-O 22:23 And, and, uh, back then I w- I had a, a, a wildly different style of tour, but I was on tour nonetheless, and Ryan Dunn would be with me on tour. He would say to the audience, "Who wants to get on stage and get choked out?" And even back then, I was like out of my mind on drugs, and, and I was like, "Please don't be doing this." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 22:43 [laughs]

Steve-O 22:43 It just like, it, it really, really bothered... It made me so uncomfortable. I would leave the stage when Ryan Dunn was choking out audience members, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:50 Oh, that's so crazy-

Steve-O 22:51 Yeah

Joe Rogan 22:51 ... that they signed up for that.

Steve-O 22:52 Right. And, uh, people would be jumping up and down like, "Please, please, please."

Joe Rogan 22:56 Did he let them down? He didn't drop 'em?

Steve-O 22:58 He did, he did let them down gently.

Joe Rogan 22:59 Oh, that's very kind of him. [laughs]

Steve-O 23:00 Um, but, uh, but it, it bothered me so much until the one day when I'd been on cocaine for like three days in a row-

Joe Rogan 23:09 Oh

Steve-O 23:09 ... and I was feeling a little bit self-conscious about how little, like, uh, very intense footage that I had been generating. And I was like, "You know what?"

Joe Rogan 23:19 Oh, man.

Steve-O 23:19 "Today's my day. Ryan Dunn, choke me out." And so he did it once, and then [laughs] he did it again. He... We spent the whole day. He... Six times in a row. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 23:33 Um.

Steve-O 23:34 And each time it became more like, uh, violent, throwing me down.

Joe Rogan 23:40 Yeah, it seems-

Steve-O 23:40 He says, "That's number two." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 23:43 It seems like he's, uh, having fun with your body after it's out. [laughs]

Steve-O 23:47 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 23:48 He's sort of just ragdolling you.

Steve-O 23:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:51 Dude.

Steve-O 23:51 Six of them in one day.

Joe Rogan 23:53 That's too much.

Steve-O 23:54 Oh my God, the last one-

Joe Rogan 23:56 I would imagine that n- rarely happens in training.

Steve-O 23:58 [laughs] Right.

Joe Rogan 23:59 Usually you tap out.

Steve-O 24:00 Yeah. The... After this one, I think there's two more, and the, the last one is just so upsetting.

Joe Rogan 24:07 This one?

Steve-O 24:08 Yeah, I guess it's the one where, uh, where he threw me on my head.

Joe Rogan 24:12 Oh, dude.

Steve-O 24:13 Yeah. Like right-

Joe Rogan 24:14 I don't wanna see... No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Steve-O 24:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 24:17 No, I don't wanna see it.

Steve-O 24:17 Yeah, I landed right on my face, dude.

Joe Rogan 24:19 Fuck, man. Why did he do that?

Steve-O 24:21 I... Because it, it-

Joe Rogan 24:22 He wanted it to be more exciting?

Steve-O 24:24 I, I think that, like-

Joe Rogan 24:25 And the cocaine.

Steve-O 24:26 Yeah. There was cocaine falling out of my nose-

Joe Rogan 24:29 Oh

Steve-O 24:29 ... in the shot 'cause I put it there. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 24:33 Jesus.

Steve-O 24:34 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 24:35 Jeez, boy.

Steve-O 24:36 Right. It's... I think that's probably the gnarliest thing.

Joe Rogan 24:39 Yeah.

Steve-O 24:39 But, um, it... But in any case, so-

Joe Rogan 24:42 Did you get hurt from that at all? Like, from-

Steve-O 24:44 Uh, I think I had a broken-

Joe Rogan 24:44 ... the repeated-

Steve-O 24:46 ... tooth.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Oh, from falling on your face?

Steve-O 24:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Did you get hurt at all from the repeated chokings?

Steve-O 24:50 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 24:51 No?

Steve-O 24:51 It's pretty amazing-

Joe Rogan 24:52 Yeah

Steve-O 24:53 ... given what I've put myself through-

Joe Rogan 24:55 Oh, incredible

Steve-O 24:55 ... both, both, both professionally and personally, that, like, I've s- I have good recall.

Joe Rogan 25:00 Yeah.

Steve-O 25:00 Like, you know, you know, pretty-

Joe Rogan 25:02 How many times ha- Johnny told me he's been knocked out unconscious 16 times.

Steve-O 25:06 Oof.

Joe Rogan 25:06 How many times do you think-

Steve-O 25:07 Nah, I, I'm not at that level. Um, I got knocked out, um, in the WWE ring-

Joe Rogan 25:16 Oy

Steve-O 25:16 ... on Monday Night Raw. It was... Dude, this was, this was a, a heavy one, man. Everybody-

Joe Rogan 25:21 What'd you get hit with?

Steve-O 25:23 Uh, and it was an elbow that really put me out.

Joe Rogan 25:26 Who hit you?

Steve-O 25:27 Umaga. This is... They, they call his, his fighter name-

Joe Rogan 25:30 [laughs]

Steve-O 25:30 ... in the WWE was the Samoan Bulldozer.

Joe Rogan 25:33 Bro, Samoans got some heavy bones.

Steve-O 25:35 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 25:35 You don't wanna get hit by a Samoan. [laughs]

Steve-O 25:37 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, dude, I bet you can bring that one up. It really is-

Joe Rogan 25:40 Oh, my goodness

Steve-O 25:41 ... the, the Monday Night Raw, Steve-O and Chris Pontius. We were promoting the second Jackass movie.

Joe Rogan 25:47 Pontius is-

Steve-O 25:47 So we're gonna get in the ring. We're, we're, we're getting in the ring. We're, we're doing a whole match, and it's, it's fascinating the way that they kind of block out what the matches are. It's, it's kind of like a jam band.

Joe Rogan 26:00 Right.

Steve-O 26:00 You know? Like a jam band that you've got, like, the kinda tentpole moments, and then you just kinda fill it in. But it's like w- there's gonna... This is gonna happen, this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen. And, um, what was to be the last move, uh, it's called a splash, where this 350-pound Samoan Bulldozer's gonna jump off the top rope and j- with, with me laying on the ground, and, like, body slam, you know-

Joe Rogan 26:26 Uh-huh

Steve-O 26:26 ... off the top rope. But what I didn't understand, what I didn't know, is that the match, for it to be over, that means the person who lost, like, stops moving, you know? You're not s-

Joe Rogan 26:38 Oh, that's the only way?

Steve-O 26:39 You're, well, you're not supposed to move around after that.

Joe Rogan 26:41 Oh, you moved around.

Steve-O 26:42 I moved. And so, like-

Joe Rogan 26:43 And so he put you to sleep.

Steve-O 26:44 Yeah, like, he jumped off the top rope, and it was such a devastating blow that I couldn't help but react, you know? I was like, "Oh," you know, like, "Whoa," like, and I'm laughing and rolling around. Like, I can't even believe it.

Joe Rogan 26:56 Oh, no.

Steve-O 26:57 And he, and he's looking at me like, oh, now I'm disrespecting him because I'm moving around.

Joe Rogan 27:02 Oh.

Steve-O 27:02 So, so he hits me again, and, and I'm confused because I understood that what just happened was supposed to be the final move. But now he just hit me again, and I'm like, "What, what are you doing?" You know? Like th- but he's like, if I'm gonna move around, he's gonna keep hitting me. So-

Joe Rogan 27:18 Nobody told you that?

Steve-O 27:19 [laughs] Right. And so then he hits me again, and, and then-

Joe Rogan 27:23 Give me one right there. This is gnarly.

Steve-O 27:26 Yeah, we, we got pretty radical-

Joe Rogan 27:28 Oh

Steve-O 27:29 ... on, on the... Yeah, there's a... Okay, this, this is... Dude, they, he drops this elbow. They, they didn't even show the end of the match. They went to commercial because it was too dark for the WWE to show. [laughs] See, right there. Now, it's supposed to be over, but, but I'm moving around.

Joe Rogan 27:57 And so then he hits you-

Steve-O 27:58 Yeah, so now he's kicking me, and I'm like, "Wait, but..." That, dude, I d- that, I think that elbow p- was what put me out, and they, [laughs] they cut to the commercial. I don't remember leaving the ring.

Joe Rogan 28:10 Wow. Yeah, that elbow looked pretty fucking hard, dude.

Steve-O 28:14 Yeah, they, right there, they-

Joe Rogan 28:15 But it's also all the other banging of your brain.

Steve-O 28:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:18 I mean, this is a lot of banging of your brain. The body slam's a banging of your brain.

Steve-O 28:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:23 Yeah, you definitely got a concussion from that one, son.

Steve-O 28:25 [clears throat] Yeah, um-

Joe Rogan 28:27 Those dudes get concussions all the time.

Steve-O 28:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:29 You don't think about it 'cause you think, "Oh, it's wrestling. It's pro wrestling." But just the physical contact's unavoidable.

Steve-O 28:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:36 Those guys, when Hulk Hogan came in here, man, it was one of the saddest things. I had met him a long time ago, um, in Beverly Hills. I ran into him in front of a cigar bar. I was like, "Holy shit, he was gigantic."

Steve-O 28:49 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 28:49 And then I met him the second time when he d- well, I met him another time when he, uh, he and I did a Spike TV thing. It was awesome. Uh, and then he came in to do the podcast, and he had had so many back surgeries that he was, like, six inches shorter.

Steve-O 29:02 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 29:02 It was crazy. It's because they have to fuse all of his disks.

Steve-O 29:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:06 And he had a cane everywhere, man. He was fucked up, and he said it was from that thing that he would do where he would drop down on his ass with an elbow. So every time he did that, he fucked his back up. I mean, think about how big he was in his prime.

Steve-O 29:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:18 300-plus pounds, right?

Steve-O 29:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:20 So every time you're dropping down, your body's taking the shock on your ass bone of 300-plus pounds flying through the air and bouncing off the ground. So all of his disks got herniated. He had to get them all fused. It was horrible, man.

Steve-O 29:35 Yep.

Joe Rogan 29:36 Those guys get fucking busted up.

Steve-O 29:38 [clears throat] Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:39 The Rock is, like, a f- a weird... Well, he's an outlier 'cause I don't know what kind of physical issues he has, but he doesn't seem to have any.

Steve-O 29:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:47 Like, I worked out with him. He's mobile. He could do stuff.

Steve-O 29:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:50 He looks amazing. It's like, I don't know how he got through that insane long career and not got busted up.

Steve-O 29:57 Yep. I feel like, uh, Stone Cold Steve Austin, uh, is in reasonably good shape, too.

Joe Rogan 30:04 I don't know. I don't know about that one. But I know a lot of those guys, man, they, they leave that career, and, you know, they have fake hips, fake-

Steve-O 30:11 Yeah

Joe Rogan 30:11 ... backs fused. Everybody has something wrong.

Steve-O 30:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 30:15 Fucking-

Steve-O 30:15 I've been pretty lucky. Like, for the most part, I, you know, I've, uh, I've had some hardware in my ankle. I've had hardware in my collarbone. I had meniscus surgery on my knee.

Joe Rogan 30:28 That's it for your knees, just one?

Steve-O 30:30 Just one, and, and-

Joe Rogan 30:31 Wow

Steve-O 30:31 ... it was an elective one, too. Like, it was a partially torn meniscus.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Why'd you decide to have it, get it snipped?

Steve-O 30:36 Because, um, I was told that, um-That it would be better, it would-- I don't know, like, uh, in the long run it would, my knee would be better for it.

Joe Rogan 30:46 Hmm. Yeah, I had it done on my left knee, and it was pretty good until a skiing accident a few years ago, and it's been like irritating the shit out of me since then. Then I've had a few other little injuries with it. But, um, the thing about it is, like, that cushion, once it's gone, it's gone. Like-

Steve-O 31:04 Yeah

Joe Rogan 31:04 ... it doesn't come back. And that cushion's kind of important. Like, my knee always felt a little loose, like that cushion really goes banging around in there.

Steve-O 31:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:11 They do replace meniscus. They use cadaver meniscus, but it's not 100%. It doesn't always work. I don't know, I think they have to cut the entirety of your meniscus out and put a cadaver one in there-

Steve-O 31:24 Man

Joe Rogan 31:24 ... and then sew it in place.

Steve-O 31:26 That recovery from that meniscus surgery was rough.

Joe Rogan 31:29 Really?

Steve-O 31:30 Yeah. Like that, like-

Joe Rogan 31:31 I thought that was one of the easiest ones.

Steve-O 31:33 For me, man, it, my, my knee really hurt for quite a while.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Um, were you doing anything for it? How long ago was this?

Steve-O 31:39 I mean, I did physical therapy.

Joe Rogan 31:40 2006, is that what you said?

Steve-O 31:41 Uh, well, no. The-

Joe Rogan 31:42 How long was it, the knee surgery?

Steve-O 31:44 The, the, the meniscus was recent.

Joe Rogan 31:45 Oh, recent.

Steve-O 31:45 That was 2023.

Joe Rogan 31:47 Oh, okay. Well, um, get on some peptides. That's, that'll probably help it.

Steve-O 31:52 I, I, I was. I was doing peptides.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Yeah?

Steve-O 31:55 Donald Cerrone.

Joe Rogan 31:56 Oh, there you go.

Steve-O 31:56 He got, he got me, uh, dialed in with the folks at Transcend.

Joe Rogan 32:00 Right. He works with those guys.

Steve-O 32:01 Right. And, um-

Joe Rogan 32:02 That's how he got super jacked after he retired.

Steve-O 32:05 Right. I just travel so much-

Joe Rogan 32:07 Right

Steve-O 32:07 ... that, like, all of these things that need to be refrigerated-

Joe Rogan 32:11 Mm-hmm

Steve-O 32:11 ... and you're traveling with the ice pack, and it was like-

Joe Rogan 32:14 Yep. I get it

Steve-O 32:14 ... it's just, like, kind of too much, and I just, like-

Joe Rogan 32:17 You know what a simple solution though is?

Steve-O 32:19 What's that?

Joe Rogan 32:19 Just get yourself, like, uh, one of them little Yeti thermoses. Put some ice in there, and put your peptides in there, throw it in your bag. Simple.

Steve-O 32:27 Okay.

Joe Rogan 32:27 That's it.

Steve-O 32:28 Okay.

Joe Rogan 32:29 It keeps it cold, seals up.

Steve-O 32:31 I was doing testosterone too.

Joe Rogan 32:33 You stopped?

Steve-O 32:34 I did.

Joe Rogan 32:34 Why'd you stop?

Steve-O 32:35 I just, uh, k- like, kept forgetting. I was like, "Oh." [both laughing] And I didn't re- I mean, I, I f- I, I don't wanna say I didn't notice anything, because there are different things going on in my life that I could've attributed, see. But, like, having stopped taking it, I don't notice really any difference.

Joe Rogan 32:56 Hmm.

Steve-O 32:57 And-

Joe Rogan 32:57 Oh, did you get your blood work done before you took it?

Steve-O 32:59 Well, I d- I got my blood work done by the folks at Transcend.

Joe Rogan 33:02 Right.

Steve-O 33:03 And, you know, they prescribed it to me.

Joe Rogan 33:05 What did they say your levels were?

Steve-O 33:06 I think, uh, my testosterone was, like, 300.

Joe Rogan 33:09 Oh, that's pretty low. Yeah.

Steve-O 33:11 It's on the low end of normal.

Joe Rogan 33:11 There's other stuff you could take though. There's, uh, stuff called... Well, you know, I mean, taking peptides, but there's other stuff you could take that could r- ramp up your natural testosterone.

Steve-O 33:21 Right. I've been doing more, like, strength training too, and I know that that-

Joe Rogan 33:24 Yeah, that does it

Steve-O 33:25 ... helps a lot.

Joe Rogan 33:25 Yeah. There's a bunch of different things, like deadlifts and squats, they ramp up your testosterone, especially Zercher squats.

Steve-O 33:32 I could s- I could certainly get back into all that, because I, you know, I love the idea of, like, being super healthy, longevity.

Joe Rogan 33:38 No, it's good for you. Feel better. Feel better, think better.

Steve-O 33:42 Yeah, and, and, uh, my baseline's pretty good too. Like, I've got my Whoop band, and, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 33:48 Seeing you with a Whoop is kind of hilarious.

Steve-O 33:50 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 33:50 I'm a little concerned about my health.

Steve-O 33:52 I love it. I do.

Joe Rogan 33:53 Contrary to all my actions for the past 40 plus years. [laughs]

Steve-O 33:56 Right. I mean, I love it so much. And, um-

Joe Rogan 33:58 It's great, right? You get so much data.

Steve-O 34:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:00 Find out if you're sleeping well.

Steve-O 34:01 Well, what's your HRV like?

Joe Rogan 34:03 I don't know, man. I, I haven't worn one in a while.

Steve-O 34:05 Right. Because, uh-

Joe Rogan 34:06 It's pretty good

Steve-O 34:07 ... like, today I'm 113 HRV.

Joe Rogan 34:10 Uh, I don't know if that's good. Is that good?

Steve-O 34:12 It's super good.

Joe Rogan 34:13 Oh yeah. Congratulations.

Steve-O 34:14 Yeah. And, like, my-

Joe Rogan 34:15 That's awesome

Steve-O 34:15 ... my average is, like, 90. I don't know. Like, uh-

Joe Rogan 34:17 That's great, man. So you're working out, feeling good.

Steve-O 34:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Nice.

Steve-O 34:21 Taking, taking care of myself.

Joe Rogan 34:21 Just avoid those blows to the head, son.

Steve-O 34:23 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 34:24 Especially as you get older, there... It seems like-

Steve-O 34:26 Right

Joe Rogan 34:27 ... a lot of people, when they get older, they're really hard to recover from.

Steve-O 34:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:31 You know?

Steve-O 34:31 The, uh, the, the last Jackass movie we did, the, the fourth one, Jackass Forever-

Joe Rogan 34:36 Uh-huh

Steve-O 34:36 ... they had this huge treadmill. It's like treadmill for horses, and they got us, they, they got it just humming, and, uh, all of us, they got a bunch of us, the, the cast, dressed up in marching band, like, with marching band. And, like, we're marching, playing our instruments, and one by one, we jump on this treadmill.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Right.

Steve-O 34:56 And, uh, it was hilarious. But dude, I got knocked out so cold. [both laughing] I wonder if you could bring that up, Jamie. Like, I, like, I was out, out for, like, a, a, you know, prob- maybe the longest I've ever been.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Did y- how did you get knocked out? What happened?

Steve-O 35:13 I hit my head. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:15 You just fell?

Steve-O 35:15 Yeah. Like, uh, as I got spit off the end of this treadmill.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Steve-O 35:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:21 You just kinda jumped on it?

Steve-O 35:24 So it looks like Knoxville went first.

Joe Rogan 35:26 Oh my God. Oh my God, dude.

Steve-O 35:33 So I'm like... E- everyone is awake-

Joe Rogan 35:35 Oh, boy

Steve-O 35:35 ... and I am, like, super not awake at all.

Joe Rogan 35:38 Oh, Knoxville's bleeding from the head.

Steve-O 35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:41 You guys are so ridiculous.

Steve-O 35:42 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:43 What a silly way to make a living.

Steve-O 35:45 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:47 Yeah, don't do that anymore.

Steve-O 35:48 Yeah, that-

Joe Rogan 35:49 Oh, boy.

Steve-O 35:50 [laughs] Yeah, that was, that, that might've been my worst concussion. But-

Joe Rogan 35:54 Really?

Steve-O 35:54 ... but there's been, there's b- there's been s- like, more than that even, you know. Not 16, but-

Joe Rogan 35:59 The one that hurt me the most was Johnny Knoxville when he was, uh, in that store and Butterbean beat him up.

Steve-O 36:05 Yeah. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 36:06 That was crazy.

Steve-O 36:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:09 That one bothered me. 'Cause if you know how hard Butterbean hits, that's just a silly thing to sign up for.

Steve-O 36:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:14 Let that guy beat the shit out of you.

Steve-O 36:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:16 And then even after he's down, Butterbean had him get back up and put him away. Like, don't let him do that.

Steve-O 36:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:24 Especially Butterbean, man. That guy... There's a highlight reel of him putting giant men to sleep.

Steve-O 36:30 [laughs] Right. And-

Joe Rogan 36:30 You know, you do not want that guy punching you in the chin.

Steve-O 36:33 Talk about sweethearts too, man. What? And Butterbean.

Joe Rogan 36:36 Yeah, up until that moment.

Steve-O 36:37 [laughs] Right.

Joe Rogan 36:38 There's a thing with those guys, though. They're so accustomed to hurting people.

Steve-O 36:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:43 It's like, "You, do you wanna sign up for this? You sure?" "I'm sure." "Okay."

Steve-O 36:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:49 And they're just gonna do to you what they've done to a bunch of other people that decided to box them.

Steve-O 36:54 Yeah.Man, looking at that trip, that really was gnarly [laughs]

Joe Rogan 36:57 Gnarly. Not good. I mean, you were flying through the air and landed on your fucking head.

Steve-O 37:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:04 Not good, dude.

Steve-O 37:05 Yeah, that-

Joe Rogan 37:05 Not good

Steve-O 37:06 ... yeah, that, uh-

Joe Rogan 37:07 That's probably why you forget to take your peptides [laughs]

Steve-O 37:11 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 37:12 That's... They... I read a story about Jim McMahon, the football player, and, uh... That's his name, right? The guy from the Chicago Bears?

Steve-O 37:19 Yeah, Jim McMahon.

Joe Rogan 37:19 Yeah.

Steve-O 37:19 Was the quarterback, right?

Joe Rogan 37:20 Yeah, the quarterback. And, um, it w- I think it was a Sports Illustrated article, and they were, they were talking about how, like, he can't remember anything. He'll be standing in the middle of his living room not knowing why he's there, where he was going.

Steve-O 37:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:32 D- doesn't know where his keys are, doesn't know where his pho- Just, like, can't... It's just likeurt. Like, it just blacks out, comes back, blacks out, comes back.

Steve-O 37:41 Yeah. You'd imagine that that would be more for, like, linemen because-

Joe Rogan 37:45 No

Steve-O 37:45 ... every single play, like, that's-

Joe Rogan 37:47 Those days, though, the quarterbacks got taken out back in those days. That's the '80s.

Steve-O 37:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 37:54 You gotta think of how much harder the game was back... I'm not, obviously not a football aficionado or expert by any means, but from what I've been told, the rules are much more favorable today to protect the quarterback.

Steve-O 38:05 Right. Okay.

Joe Rogan 38:06 And back then, those dudes got hit. And it's not just that, man, it's also all the different years you played. Those all count. Like, just because you're only getting knocked out a couple of times as a professional in the NFL, what about all the times you got knocked out in high school? What about all the times-

Steve-O 38:22 Right

Joe Rogan 38:22 ... you got knocked out in college? Those guys, man, I have a massive amount of respect for football players. I mean, I've watched a lot of high school games in Texas, and I watched a lot of college games at UT. It is a fucking brutal sport. I mean, it's no wonder that's the American pastime, 'cause it, it is a psychotic fucking sport.

Steve-O 38:42 [laughs] I, I love it.

Joe Rogan 38:43 It's fun to watch, man.

Steve-O 38:44 You know-

Joe Rogan 38:45 I've become a fan.

Steve-O 38:46 Um, I... What, what really I think was the smartest thing the NFL did, they got into the, the routine with their You- the NFL YouTube channel. At the conclusion of every game, they upload a video to YouTube, which is a condensed version of the game that runs anywhere from, like, 10 to-

Joe Rogan 39:07 Mm

Steve-O 39:08 ... you know, like, 10 to 15 minutes. So, like, you, you can watch-

Joe Rogan 39:12 All the highlights

Steve-O 39:12 ... it's super digestible. More than highlights, like, m- more than SportsCenter. But, like, you know, you're only seeing the awesome stuff.

Joe Rogan 39:19 McMahon was involved in an X this is one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history.

39:22 Oh.

39:24 Oh. He just got slammed after the play.

39:26 After the play, slammed on his head.

39:28 Yeah.

39:29 That's crazy.

39:30 I think this is, took this end of this season, this play. I don't know which game of the year it was, but-

39:35 Oh my God.

Steve-O 39:35 Yeah, that's not cool, man.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Yeah.

39:37 Look at him. Oh my God. That's crazy that the dude did that. And what did he get, like, a one-game penalty or something?

39:44 Oh, back then, I don't know.

Steve-O 39:44 Back, yeah, back then it was probably pretty mellow.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Yeah. Back then they probably gave him extra steroids. Good job.

Steve-O 39:48 But I hope this reaches the NFL when I say this, is that as much as... And by the, by the end of the season, whe- whatever it was, 2023, 2024, like, I was so invested because I was watching these digestible, like, uh, YouTube videos, that by the time the playoffs rolled around, I was subscribed to every single different platform because now, like, the stakes are so high, I gotta watch the whole game. Like, they really converted me.

Joe Rogan 40:14 Oh, that's great.

Steve-O 40:15 Yeah, it was the smartest thing they did.

Joe Rogan 40:16 That's wise. I mean, because you think about it, there's a lot of downtime in football.

Steve-O 40:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:19 In between plays, a lot of this, a lot of that.

Steve-O 40:22 Sure.

Joe Rogan 40:22 People talk.

Steve-O 40:23 The, the best thing, but I, but I have a, a really, really important thing that I want the NFL to know, is that they were... The thumbnails, a lot of the times, gave away the outcome of the game.

Joe Rogan 40:35 Oh.

Steve-O 40:36 So... And, and this was a problem that, that the UFC had for a while. Like, um, you know, I would be doing my shows, you know, especially if I'm in a comedy club, you know, I've got the second show on Saturday night. So I've missed the whole pay-per-view event. Now I get back to my hotel room, and I'm gonna watch everything, the whole thing. But then when I go into the video on demand, and the thumbnail shows, like, the, the, the, the winner of the main event, like, celebrating-

Joe Rogan 41:03 Right

Steve-O 41:03 ... you know? Like, it's like, oh. So I reached out to Dana. I'm like, "Dana, the thumbnails are giving it away." And he's like, "Took care of it, man. Just got off the phone with the head of Disney-"

Joe Rogan 41:11 Wow

Steve-O 41:11 "... the president of the..." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 41:13 That's nice to have that kind of pull.

Steve-O 41:14 Right. And, uh, man, I wish they could do that for the NFL, but... And they don't always do.

Joe Rogan 41:18 Maybe they will. Maybe they will now.

Steve-O 41:19 Yeah, they don't always give away the game. But for the love of God, please make the thumbnail neutral so that... Because the reason why we're clicking on this video is because we want... We, we don't wanna know what happened.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Right.

Steve-O 41:30 We wanna watch it and enjoy it.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Right. And so how long are these condensed games?

Steve-O 41:34 Anywhere from, like, eight to 16 minutes.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Wow. That's smart.

Steve-O 41:39 And it's so exciting because if you see, um, a, like, a punt or a kickoff-

Joe Rogan 41:46 Mm-hmm

Steve-O 41:46 ... you know something awesome's gonna happen because they'll never include a punt or a kickoff unless it gets run a- all the way down for a touchdown or if there's a turnover or something like-

Joe Rogan 41:56 Right

Steve-O 41:56 ... So it's like, ooh, there's pu- You know, like, you get excited when you watch these videos if there's a punt.

Joe Rogan 42:01 Right. That makes sense.

Steve-O 42:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:02 The UFC does a good job with, uh, they, they do these videos that shows, like, all the knockouts from a particular event.

Steve-O 42:09 Yeah. I've, I've-

Joe Rogan 42:09 So anybody who just wants to see knockouts.

Steve-O 42:11 Yep, I've been seeing that.

Joe Rogan 42:12 Yeah.

Steve-O 42:12 And, um, you know, I, I've been in situations already since the Paramount deal where, uh, I gotta go back and watch the whole card.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Mm.

Steve-O 42:21 And, and Paramount, like-It's, it's pretty awesome, man. Like, uh, on ESPN-

Joe Rogan 42:26 It's not very intuitive, I gotta say. It's a little clunky when you're searching for the show 'cause you go to, like, live TV to watch it, and then if it's not on live TV anymore, like if you go out and you pause it, and you come back and try to... And you click on it, it doesn't work, and then you gotta find it, and then you gotta go to Home, and then you gotta go down to the UFC, and then search out each individual. And then it brings you up a grid of all the stuff that's on TV right now. And then if you click on that, it's not playing anymore.

Steve-O 42:56 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:56 So it tells you it's not on. You gotta go back again to Home. It's like, where the fuck is it? Like, just have a little UFC thing where I could click at the homepage, and it shows all the matches, what's live, what's not. Just a little clunky. E- I think ESPN+ kinda had it down, and I'm, uh, I w- I'm just starting to get-

Steve-O 43:15 You know what another problem with ESPN+ was, though?

Joe Rogan 43:17 What?

Steve-O 43:18 Is that, you know, y- you scroll through to get to the main card. They would have each fight individually up there, and you gotta, like, blur your eyes because on the thumbnail-

Joe Rogan 43:28 Right

Steve-O 43:28 ... it says the duration of the fight.

Joe Rogan 43:30 Right. Right, right, right.

Steve-O 43:31 You got, you got a little timestamp, and it's like, "Oh, damn it. I'm gonna ru- Like, I just saw that the-"

Joe Rogan 43:36 You gotta not look at that.

Steve-O 43:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Yeah, don't look at that.

Steve-O 43:37 You gotta unblur your eyes, look through the cracks and fissures.

Joe Rogan 43:39 The problem is when you play it, it'll show you how short the amount of time is.

Steve-O 43:43 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 43:43 You know, how quickly the time is going. Like, oh, great.

Steve-O 43:46 Right. Yeah. Well, you can't, like-

Joe Rogan 43:47 It's gonna be quick

Steve-O 43:47 ... you can't ever skip anything because then the time bar will come up.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Do you watch anything else other than, uh, UFC?

Steve-O 43:55 Uh, sports-wise or just-

Joe Rogan 43:58 No, or fighting-wise.

Steve-O 44:00 Oh. Man, I... No. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 44:05 No?

Steve-O 44:05 Not, no.

Joe Rogan 44:07 I've been trying to get Dana White to do a striking league. I'm b- trying... 'Cause, like, you know, p- people still boo and complain when things go to the ground. And if the UFC has time to do, like, slap fight, which I'm not r- really into, but if they have time to do that, like, d- do a stand-up only league 'cause there's other organizations that are doing that.

Steve-O 44:28 You know what? Like, the, uh, [lip smacks] the Mike Tyson-Jake Paul thing.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 44:34 I understand that they had [clears throat] a, a hundred million viewers.

Joe Rogan 44:40 Is that real?

Steve-O 44:41 I think, I think they did. And then the Jake Paul-

Joe Rogan 44:43 That makes sense

Steve-O 44:43 ... Anthony Joshua had, like, maybe 30 million.

Joe Rogan 44:47 Right.

Steve-O 44:47 You know, so it was nowhere near. But God, I thought that, I thought that the-

Joe Rogan 44:52 Where'd you get those numbers?

Steve-O 44:54 Just what- whatever. I just saw it on the internet.

Joe Rogan 44:55 'Cause I don't know if Netflix gives those numbers out, or maybe they did. Did they say it? Um-

Steve-O 45:01 108 million

Joe Rogan 45:03 ... 108 million. Paul-Tyson [clears throat] had 108 million.

Steve-O 45:05 And then Jo- Anthony Joshua I think was, like, 30.

Joe Rogan 45:09 Interesting.

Steve-O 45:10 So-

Joe Rogan 45:10 108 million's crazy.

Steve-O 45:12 But you know what?

Joe Rogan 45:12 That's a lot of fucking people.

Steve-O 45:13 It's a lot of people, but what a blown opportunity when you think, like, okay, now Netflix had... They knew they were gonna have that many viewers. Or-

Joe Rogan 45:21 Right

Steve-O 45:21 ... if not that many, they knew they were gonna have a lot.

Joe Rogan 45:23 Right.

Steve-O 45:23 They had the opportunity to take the, the boxing model and fix it. And, you know? And, and I don't know, like n-

Joe Rogan 45:32 That Netflix did?

Steve-O 45:34 Yeah. I mean-

Joe Rogan 45:34 Netflix has only had a small handful of events, though.

Steve-O 45:37 Understood. But if you look at the UFC broadcast, just how-

Joe Rogan 45:42 Right

Steve-O 45:42 ... like, there's just not downtime.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Right.

Steve-O 45:44 You know? It's like the people care about the, the undercard. I mean, you, you know me, like, I'm there-

Joe Rogan 45:49 Yeah

Steve-O 45:49 ... I'm there, like, for the first fight past prelim.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Oh, some of the undercards are the best fights.

Steve-O 45:53 [clears throat] For sure.

Joe Rogan 45:54 Yeah, and especially-

Steve-O 45:55 And that's why the Contender Series is so good

Joe Rogan 45:56 ... particularly, yeah. Right. Exactly. Espe- especially when you see some of these guys coming out of the Contender Series that are so high level already.

Steve-O 46:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:03 There's guys that are getting matched up in the undercard that no one's ever heard of that are two undefeated fighters that could be world champions.

Steve-O 46:08 For sure.

Joe Rogan 46:09 There, there's guys that are that good now.

Steve-O 46:10 Right. And that's what's so great about, about the UFC is that the whole card's good. The production's insane. There's no downtime. It's just like, you can sit there for f- fucking six hours.

Joe Rogan 46:22 Right.

Steve-O 46:22 You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 46:23 Right, right

Steve-O 46:23 ... and be, be thoroughly happy that you're watching the whole time. But with boxing, there's so much time in between the bouts.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Yes.

Steve-O 46:31 Like [laughs]

Joe Rogan 46:31 Yeah, they don't do as q- nearly as good a job of... UFC, without doubt, is the best promotion in all of combat sports.

Steve-O 46:38 100%.

Joe Rogan 46:38 In terms of entertainment, production value-

Steve-O 46:41 For sure

Joe Rogan 46:41 ... the people in the truck, the, the experts.

Steve-O 46:44 Right, 100%.

Joe Rogan 46:44 Like, they're the best. They're the best.

Steve-O 46:46 That, that's what I'm saying about Netflix is that they, they, they-

Joe Rogan 46:51 They could've fixed it

Steve-O 46:52 ... they, they could've fixed it.

Joe Rogan 46:53 Well, Zuffa's trying to do that now.

Steve-O 46:54 Right. And, and thank God they are.

Joe Rogan 46:54 You know, Zuffa's trying to do that. They're basically using the promotion machine behind the UFC s- to start-

Steve-O 47:01 Sure

Joe Rogan 47:01 ... promoting boxing, and they're just getting rolling right now. But they signed some really big guys. They signed Conor Benn, they signed Jai Opetaia, who's a fucking beast. They signed some legit boxers, so it should be interesting.

Steve-O 47:15 Yeah. The, uh-

Joe Rogan 47:15 Boxing is, uh, it is a fascinating sport.

Steve-O 47:18 It's a mess, I mean, as far as the broadcast goes.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Well, um, I think there's a few, um, companies that know how to do it right, and HBO was the best. And when HBO went off the air with boxing, uh, it was a real bummer because HBO Boxing had been around for decades. They were the peak. That was, like, the best production team. It was Jim Lampley, Larry Hazzard, or, or, uh, Larry Merchant rather, um, Roy Jones Jr. sometimes, George Foreman sometimes, and d- different fighters would sit in sometimes. And it was the ab- Jim Lampley is the [laughs] fucking best. It was the best. It was, like, the smoothest production. They were the best with the cameras and the production quality, and-

Steve-O 47:59 Ah

Joe Rogan 47:59 ... they'd get you hyped up about the fight with the, the little pre-made videos. They didn't drag it out. That, that, they knew how to do it. HBO did it right. They did it right. But I guess it was, like, either it was not profitable or something. They just decided to... When they canned HBO Boxing, I couldn't believe it. I was like, "After all these years."

Steve-O 48:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:19 It's such a crazy thing to do. They were the bestIf you had an HBO boxing card and it was a big fight, fuck, I was pumped. It was like the pr- the quality of the product was so high level, and they only put on really great fights. Like if it got to HBO, that was gonna be a great fucking fight.

Steve-O 48:38 Right. Well, comedy specials were the same way, right?

Joe Rogan 48:40 Sure. Yeah. Um, now, you know, now it's weird 'cause it's like the landscape is so filled with different platforms, and some guys take money over visibility.

Steve-O 48:51 Sure. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:51 Like there's young guys that have gotten o- offers from places, and I was like, "Listen, man, I think you should put it on YouTube."

Steve-O 48:57 For sure.

Joe Rogan 48:58 You're not gonna make any money, but you gotta think about that money investing in yourself-

Steve-O 49:02 Right

Joe Rogan 49:02 ... 'cause I think you're really good. And I think that this material, if you put it on YouTube, it's gonna go viral. It'll spread around-

Steve-O 49:07 Right

Joe Rogan 49:08 ... and way more people will know about you.

Steve-O 49:09 For sure. I, I sorely regret my approach 'cause, 'cause my, my comedy specials are multimedia and, like, I got stuff in there... I mean, the whole point of, of my comedy with the multimedia is to have stuff that you can't even show on Jackass.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Right.

Steve-O 49:28 You know?

Joe Rogan 49:28 Right.

Steve-O 49:28 Like just, like, s- super extra naughty Jackass movie-

Joe Rogan 49:31 Right

Steve-O 49:31 ... collides with the stand-up show.

Joe Rogan 49:33 Right.

Steve-O 49:34 And, uh, and I love that. I have so much fun with that. And, um, when I put out my last one, um, I d- I did, uh, this thing that Andrew Schulz did, The Moment. You know, like, uh, it's a paywall.

Joe Rogan 49:48 Oh.

Steve-O 49:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Steve-O 49:49 Like my... It's his company Moment.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Right.

Steve-O 49:51 And I... And, and that was me trying to make money off this special. I mean, I spent so much making it, you know, but whatever. I wish that I would've had no paywall whatsoever. Just, you know, I can't put it on YouTube, but put it on my website so that I could get the eyeballs because I think in the long run that would benefit way more.

Joe Rogan 50:08 Why can't you put it on YouTube? 'Cause of the content?

Steve-O 50:10 Because the, like-

Joe Rogan 50:11 It's too extreme?

Steve-O 50:12 ... nudity, violence. [laughs] Like, uh, like literally-

Joe Rogan 50:16 That's gonna be hard to distribute anywhere.

Steve-O 50:18 Well, right.

Joe Rogan 50:18 Even on a website, even on your website, that's just hard.

Steve-O 50:21 Well-

Joe Rogan 50:21 That's just hard to get out.

Steve-O 50:23 Now I have my multimedia specials on my website with no paywall, totally free, like no ads.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Yeah.

Steve-O 50:30 Just go to steveo.com and check it out.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Well, Andrew did it very smart. Like, "If you wanna see it now, pay, and then I'm gonna put it on YouTube in X amount of months."

Steve-O 50:37 Right. A lot of people got mad about that.

Joe Rogan 50:39 People get mad-

Steve-O 50:40 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 50:40 ... about everything.

Steve-O 50:42 Understood.

Joe Rogan 50:42 You gotta always remember that, man.

Steve-O 50:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:44 People get mad about everything.

Steve-O 50:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:46 You can't concentrate on that.

Steve-O 50:48 I think that, uh, maybe that a little bit more of a, of a window 'cause for the people who are like, "Man, I just s- spent," you know-

Joe Rogan 50:55 Well, tell them what the window is.

Steve-O 50:56 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Just if you, you wanna do it that way, just tell them.

Steve-O 51:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:00 "I'm gonna put it on YouTube in three months."

Steve-O 51:02 Right. Understood.

Joe Rogan 51:03 But it, it, it, it all is, like, how successful are you, right? So if you're a successful comedian, you do that, and then your fan's like, "Hey, why do you need more money out of me? Why can't you just release it?"

Steve-O 51:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:14 But if you're a successful comedian that's been kind of banished like Louis CK was for a while, and then Louis CK's done a brilliant job-

Steve-O 51:22 He's so good at it

Joe Rogan 51:22 ... of putting everything on his website.

Steve-O 51:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:25 Like Harold and Pete, his animated show, Lucky Louie-

Steve-O 51:28 [coughs]

Joe Rogan 51:28 ... all the different Louis-

Steve-O 51:29 Yeah

Joe Rogan 51:30 ... the episodes. So what he did was really create his own thing that is like a one-stop shop of all things Louis CK.

Steve-O 51:39 100%.

Joe Rogan 51:39 And it's, and it's really good.

Steve-O 51:41 And his mailing list.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah.

Steve-O 51:42 I'm on his mailing list.

Joe Rogan 51:43 Me too.

Steve-O 51:44 And, and whenever I see, uh, an email from Louis CK, I absolutely click on it because he does it-

Joe Rogan 51:50 Yeah, 'cause it's gonna be funny

Steve-O 51:51 ... he does it so masterfully.

Joe Rogan 51:53 Yeah. It's interesting and funny, and it's entertaining. It's an entertaining little thing that you get, and then he lets you know what he's doing, and he's never pressuring you into like...

Steve-O 52:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:00 He's so... He's got the perfect balance, I think, of, like, capitalism and still being an artist.

Steve-O 52:06 Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:06 You know? It's the way to do it. But, you know, everybody's at their own little path, and the problem with someone like Andrew is he's already, like, r- really successful. So it's like asking for money for a special. At this point, people are like, "Come on, man."

Steve-O 52:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:20 "Just fucking put it on YouTube," you know?

Steve-O 52:22 My, my next one I'm absolutely determined to have no paywall.

Joe Rogan 52:26 Stanhope always said it best. He said, "Basically, your special's just an ad to get-

Steve-O 52:30 For sure

Joe Rogan 52:30 ... people to come see you."

Steve-O 52:31 Bill Burr said that.

Joe Rogan 52:32 Yeah. That's the-

Steve-O 52:32 Yeah

Joe Rogan 52:32 ... that's, that's really what it is.

Steve-O 52:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:34 And, you know, it's also like you gotta retire material.

Steve-O 52:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:38 You know, just let it go.

Steve-O 52:39 Oh, it's so hard for me.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Let it sail out to sea and light it on fire.

Steve-O 52:42 It's so hard for me. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 52:45 [laughs] Of course it is.

Steve-O 52:46 I, uh-

Joe Rogan 52:46 Of course it is. It's hard for everybody.

Steve-O 52:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:48 It's hard for everybody, but it's probably even harder for you because a lot of your stuff is physical.

Steve-O 52:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:52 So you have to, like, come up with new things that you could do to yourself. Staple your lips shut and-

Steve-O 52:57 Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 52:57 ... tie your dick to your asshole. The... [laughs]

Steve-O 52:59 I, I'm s- I'm so, I'm so happy with, with what I've got now. Like it's-

Joe Rogan 53:03 That's good.

Steve-O 53:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:04 All right.

Steve-O 53:05 I'm, I'm thrilled with it. Okay. So-

Joe Rogan 53:07 So

Steve-O 53:07 ... I was t- I was telling you, like, uh, I spent the, this, uh, you know, a coup- a couple years, like, really fee- like-

Joe Rogan 53:14 In the darkness

Steve-O 53:15 ... in the... kind of in the darkness, yeah. And, and, um, being-

Joe Rogan 53:19 In your feelings

Steve-O 53:20 ... being, being very mindful to adjust my approach in a way that I felt really good about. There was a-

Joe Rogan 53:26 Okay

Steve-O 53:27 ... um, the beginning of 2025, and I got, like, really heavy on, like, you know, spirituality and faith. And I like... I'm that way anyway. Like, I real- I real- really care about that. Um, the January of 2025, I get on a... I, I, I get this opportunity to have Mark Wahlberg on my podcast, right? Like, um, and I'm on there, and he's, he's very, like, big into his faith.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Very Catholic, yeah.

Steve-O 53:53 Yeah. Very, very big into his Christianity. And, uh, and I, and I was in the thick of it too at that point. I was like, man, you know, like, I'd, like I've been criticism for, for being a s- a too much of a shill and this and that. And like-

Joe Rogan 54:07 It really bothered you that much?

Steve-O 54:08 It kind of did.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Yeah.

Steve-O 54:09 Yeah. Because I think because I was, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:11 Well, because it was accurate.

Steve-O 54:12 It was accurate.

Joe Rogan 54:13 Yeah.

Steve-O 54:13 It absolutely-

Joe Rogan 54:14 Right

Steve-O 54:15 ... for, for example, last time I was here, I'm like, "Joe, my, my butt wipes for my butthole." And you're like-

Joe Rogan 54:20 I thought it was-

Steve-O 54:21 ... "That's bad for the plumbing." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 54:22 It is bad for the plumbing.

Steve-O 54:23 You know? Right. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:24 You can't flush those things

Steve-O 54:25 ... dude, I like-What, what I wish I said in that moment when, when, uh, when you'd said that how it's bad for plumbing, I'd seen on, um, a package of Dude Wipes, it said, "Only flush one at a time and you'll be okay."

Joe Rogan 54:40 Uh-uh.

Steve-O 54:41 Are you gonna... Remember me?

Joe Rogan 54:41 No.

Steve-O 54:41 That's true. Now they've got... Uh, dude, I stopped selling those fucking things.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Don't flush anything other than toilet paper, period.

Steve-O 54:47 Right. I-

Joe Rogan 54:47 Talk to any plumber.

Steve-O 54:49 Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:49 They'll all tell you, don't flush anything other than toilet paper.

Steve-O 54:51 But dude, like the, the, the internet had a field day when, when you shut down my, my butt wipes plug on-

Joe Rogan 54:59 Did they?

Steve-O 54:59 ... on here.

Joe Rogan 55:00 See?

Steve-O 55:00 And-

Joe Rogan 55:01 I didn't even know about it. Isn't that better?

Steve-O 55:02 No, I love that.

Joe Rogan 55:03 [laughs] Isn't that better?

Steve-O 55:03 I, well, I lo- I love that. And, um-

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Steve-O 56:17 And, and they had a field day because, like, of the me with the shilling-

Joe Rogan 56:22 Right

Steve-O 56:22 ... and, and you with the, the point about the plumbing, and it was just like... A- and like, fuck, I just... I stopped selling those fucking things. I stopped selling everything. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 56:31 We used to have a sponsor. It's not our sponsor anymore, but I wanna tell people to get it anyway. It's a thing called Tushy. You put it on your-

Steve-O 56:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:37 Oh.

Steve-O 56:37 Oh my God, my fa-

Joe Rogan 56:38 Yeah

Steve-O 56:38 ... dude, every single time I promote Tushy on my podcast, I say it is my favorite podcast sponsor that I've ever had. And I know that-

Joe Rogan 56:46 It's excellent

Steve-O 56:46 ... I know that that's not a, a wise thing to say, like if you're, if you think of all the other sponsors. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 56:51 Right. They'll get mad at you.

Steve-O 56:53 But I don't care. I don't care. I love Tushy the most.

Joe Rogan 56:54 Well, it's not even our sponsor anymore, but, uh, but I tell everybody.

Steve-O 56:58 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 56:58 It's not expensive and it's legit and it cleans your butthole, and then you just need a little wipe to pat it down. And it feels-

Steve-O 57:03 And you're just drying it off.

Joe Rogan 57:05 Also, you feel better. Like, you don't feel like you smeared shit all over-

Steve-O 57:09 Right

Joe Rogan 57:09 ... your butthole. Like, I don't know if you have a hairy asshole, but I do.

Steve-O 57:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:11 I'm hairy everywhere.

Steve-O 57:13 I do.

Joe Rogan 57:13 It's chaos down there-

Steve-O 57:14 [laughs] Yeah

Joe Rogan 57:14 ... if I don't trim it. Uh, so it's like you're getting sh- you're wiping shit on the ass hairs-

Steve-O 57:19 Right

Joe Rogan 57:19 ... and like-

Steve-O 57:20 For sure

Joe Rogan 57:20 ... bleh.

Steve-O 57:21 And, and that's, and, you know, that's wh- like as soon as I started using the Tushy-

Joe Rogan 57:25 Mm-hmm

Steve-O 57:25 ... then I'm like, oh my God, now if I ever find myself having to take a shit and there's not a, a bidet-

Joe Rogan 57:33 Right

Steve-O 57:33 ... now it's a crisis for me.

Joe Rogan 57:35 I know. Now you're like, "Ew."

Steve-O 57:36 Now I've got a problem, and that's why having, uh, the wet wipes, the, the butt wipes-

Joe Rogan 57:43 Yeah

Steve-O 57:43 ... like became so important because if I don't have the bidet, like heaven forbid-

Joe Rogan 57:48 I get it, but if you had shit smeared all over your fingernails and your hand, would you be happy just using a butt wipe and then having a sandwich? No, you would not. You would wanna wash your fucking hands, right?

Steve-O 57:58 Well, yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 57:59 Butt wipes are okay. It's okay. It's, it's better than not having them, but you have to throw them in the garbage. So then you have a-

Steve-O 58:05 Yeah

Joe Rogan 58:05 ... shit-smeared wet wipe-

Steve-O 58:07 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 58:07 ... in the fucking garbage, which is-

Steve-O 58:09 Right

Joe Rogan 58:09 ... kind of nasty.

Steve-O 58:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:10 And you walk in there, you can smell the shit, and no one's cleaned it yet, and so then you have to have-

Steve-O 58:14 It is-

Joe Rogan 58:14 ... a plastic bag liner on your garbage can 'cause otherwise you get-

Steve-O 58:18 There's no good solution. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 58:19 Yeah. The, the, those Tushy things, I have one. We have them here at all the... Not, it's not a Tushy, but it's another company-

Steve-O 58:25 Right

Joe Rogan 58:25 ... on all our toilets. We have it at the mothership.

Steve-O 58:27 The best. Oh my God, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 58:28 It's the best. You have to have those things.

Steve-O 58:30 Yeah. Uh-

Joe Rogan 58:30 It's, it changes your life.

Steve-O 58:31 And dude, the, and, and when you get the, the Tushy Ace, which has the heated seat-

Joe Rogan 58:37 Ooh, yeah

Steve-O 58:37 ... the warm water-

Joe Rogan 58:38 Warm water's the key

Steve-O 58:39 ... and then it blow-dries your butthole. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 58:43 Nice. Nice.

Steve-O 58:44 It's, yeah, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 58:44 It's ready for presentation.

Steve-O 58:46 Okay, so I sit down with Mark Wahlberg, and I, you know, and I'm ta- talking about, about this and, and, um, I say, you know, how like le- you know, leaning into, to f- faith, like really just like, it, it f- it's so important, you know? Like it, like it's so important to me. And then I had this meaningful conversation-

Joe Rogan 59:04 Right

Steve-O 59:04 ... with, with Mark Wahlberg about that. And then with the, the day the episode comes out, it didn't even occur to me until the day the episode came out, I was hiking with my dog through a fucking state park in Tennessee, and it strikes me, oh my God, I had the audacity [laughs] as I knew that the episode went out that day, I, I had the audacity to cut from this thoughtful conversation about faith with Mark Wahlberg to an ad for gambling. [laughs] I was like, "Oh my God." I was like, "I don't have to be in the comment section to know, to see people saying, 'What a hypocrite.'" Like, oh my God, like-

Joe Rogan 59:46 Wait a minute. How does gambling make you a hypocrite?

Steve-O 59:48 I mean, I just-

Joe Rogan 59:50 I don't think that makes you a hypocrite at all.

Steve-O 59:51 Right. I mean-

Joe Rogan 59:52 I don't... Listen, the, the gambling thing online, we should probably address this, is a very hot topic, and a lot of people criticize people for promoting gambling sites online. The problem is not gambling. The problem is people who are addicted to gambling, so the problem is self-control, right? And I'm not saying I, I'm a person-

Steve-O 1:00:09 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 ... who's immune to being addicted to gambling. I am sure that given other circumstances in my life, given... I, I could have easily gotten addicted to gambling. But I'm not-

Steve-O 1:00:21 Right

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 ... and I don't mind gambling on stuff. I think sometimes it's probably fun. The problem is peopleYou, you saw h- um, Uncut Gems, right?

Steve-O 1:00:30 Oh my God, best movie ever.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 That is gambling. That is the problem with gambling.

Steve-O 1:00:35 That movie was so good.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Fucking amazing movie. Adam Sandler killed it in that movie. It's such a good movie.

Steve-O 1:00:42 Never felt so good about-

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 But the whole movie I'm going like, "Oh-

Steve-O 1:00:45 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 ... fucking don't do, Don. What the fuck are you doing, man? Don't do that."

Steve-O 1:00:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Oh, Jesus, Adam.

Steve-O 1:00:51 I-- You know what, though? Like I, I, I made a decision on that day hiking with my dog. I said, "I'm, I'm not gonna promote anything unless it's good for people."

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Wow. Good for you.

Steve-O 1:01:01 I said, I said it like I, I, I don't wanna do harm, man. I don't like, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Good for you. I don't think it does harm. I think it does harm if you let it do harm, but I think food does harm if you let it do harm.

Steve-O 1:01:08 Oh my God, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 I think alcohol does harm if you let it do harm.

Steve-O 1:01:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 I think marijuana, drugs, all kinds of things do harm if you let them do harm.

Steve-O 1:01:15 Right, but it's just that it's in your face every-

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 I understand

Steve-O 1:01:18 ... every, you know, it's shit, and I don't wanna participate in that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 I get it.

Steve-O 1:01:20 You know? And, and I, I just haven't done it since then. I feel good about that, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 That's good.

Steve-O 1:01:24 So all these different things that I've done to, to be mindful, to be, to feel more good about-

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Right

Steve-O 1:01:31 ... like how I approach my life and my career. And then-

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 That's good

Steve-O 1:01:35 ... and then coming into this year, 2026, I was like, oh man, like now with the MrBeast coming out, I'm like, oh, this is gonna change my life. We got a new Jackass movie coming out. Like I feel really good about how I've restored my, uh, my integrity. Like I feel good about myself for myself. And then Joe, [laughs] oh my God. Then I have Harland Williams on my podcast, okay? This guy is the most genius, like the, but like the, he's just so, like you can't even understand the guy. Like he's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Oh, he's one of the weirdest funny guys of all time.

Steve-O 1:02:12 The weirdest, like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 This, this snake is on this desk because he kept it in his pants the entire episode telling us that he had a tapeworm, and then he pulled it out at the end of the episode, and I've left it on the desk ever since. And when Trump was in here, I left it on the desk, and he got so excited. He goes, "Hey buddy, thanks for keeping..." Uh, what did he call it?

Speaker 1:02:29 Dimitri.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 Di-Dimitri.

Steve-O 1:02:29 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 Thanks for keeping Dimitri on the desk while Trump was in there.

Steve-O 1:02:33 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Like he's just such an oddball.

Steve-O 1:02:35 He's so magnificent. I-

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Such a great guy, too

Steve-O 1:02:38 ... you know, and, and I record my podcast in an RV, right? I got like three different RVs that I, I use for it, and, and one I keep in Los Angeles. So we get to Harland Williams' house. For some reason I'm driving, and I'm the fucking worst driver ever, and he's got this small driveway, and I'm trying to maneuver it around. And I get out of the van and I, and I'm like, "I don't know how I, I don't know how I can be such a fucking bad driver." And just like that Harland, Harland Williams says to me, he goes, "It's AIDS, Steve-O. You have AIDS." [laughs] Just like the most fucking absurd thing. And so like going into this podcast, I'm like, all right, like now we're entering the realm of the absurd. You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 Right

Steve-O 1:03:18 ... let's, let's play with Har-Harland Williams.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Okay.

Steve-O 1:03:21 Okay? At, at some point in the episode, the, the most fucking dumb idea that ever popped in my head, but I'm, you know, you wanna be like a step ahead and like figure out how like we're gonna keep this going. Like what am I, you know, what, like what's, where are we going to next?

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Right.

Steve-O 1:03:38 So I say to Harland Williams, I'm like, I think at one point I said like, I said, "How about politics?" You know? Like just thinking to myself, this absurd guy, if you ask him about politics, like h- like how does his absurdity-

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Right

Steve-O 1:03:51 ... like navigate that? And that's what motivated me. So then somewhere in, in this back and forth, like effectively I say like, "Oh yeah, well, all this shit with ICE makes perfect sense because like, because the majority of immigrants are murderers," right? This is the most patently fucking absurd comment that I've ever made on the podcast. And yet after it comes out, it gets clipped on its own, and the, it genuinely looks like I'm not kidding. Even though you cut to Harland Williams-

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Oh

Steve-O 1:04:29 ... but it genuinely looks like I wasn't fucking kidding.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Right.

Steve-O 1:04:33 And then I open up my phone and it's like, basically, rot in hell. You that, like, you know, like you think like all immigrants are murderers. Like Joe, I could not be more the opposite of that. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Right.

Steve-O 1:04:48 You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 You're, you're being sarcastic.

Steve-O 1:04:49 I was, I, I could not have been more, like I could not have been less serious.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Right.

Steve-O 1:04:55 It was the most absurd fucking deliberately sarcastic thing I'd ever said. And, uh, and dude, I just like now, now... And, and I was in this place. I was so excited, like man, and I was so excited about doing my podcast. It was going, you know... And then now I'm just like deluged with this tsunami of hate, and that's what's so, you know, d-

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Did you s- respond?

Steve-O 1:05:20 I did.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 Yeah, just say, "This is just-

Steve-O 1:05:22 I, I, I p-

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 ... you're fucking around"?

Steve-O 1:05:23 I posted on my Instagram.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Okay.

Steve-O 1:05:25 Like, uh, like for, for clarification. I said, "I can't even..." I said, "I was so shocked to believe that this absurd comment that I made was like taken seriously," but like just, you know, I can't believe I'm gonna have to do this, but for the, for the record, you know, less than 0.1% of the population is ever gonna commit murder. Of course, the majority of no group of fucking people is gonna commit murder. But if, if you want to know how I actually feel, if there's a group of people that's more likely to murder someone, it's ICE agents. [laughs] You know, like, and so then as soon as I post that, now like the whole other half of the world fucking hates me. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't have said that either.

Steve-O 1:06:12 Right. There you go. You know, like, and, um, my, my sister is, um, my, my voice of reason. She, like, I was like, "Hey, what do you think about this?" And she like made like one small tweak. She's like, "Go for it." I just posted that. I don't even mind, you know? Like, uh, I don't even mind that. I, I feel like if people are gonna hate me, let them hate me for like how I actually feel, you know? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 RightIs that your watch? How dare you.

Steve-O 1:06:37 Yeah, it's, it's my, my dad.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 [laughs]

Steve-O 1:06:39 I put my shit on don't, do not disturb.

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 Maybe your dad goes through 'cause he's, like, one of your favorites.

Steve-O 1:06:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's on my-

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 Probably.

Steve-O 1:06:45 He's on my speed dial.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:06:46 But yeah, so it was just a terrible fucking episode that I just went through, and, and we set this up, like, a couple months ago. Like, this happened, like, maybe three, four weeks ago.

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 1:06:59 So I was like, when I, like, when, you know, when, when I was texting with you, I was like, "Oh man, I was in a, you know, like, shitty place. I'm feeling really rad, dude. Like, be- it'd be great to get together." And then now since then I'm, like, in a shitty place again. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:07:13 Yeah. Well, you know, obviously that ice subject is a very hot subject.

Steve-O 1:07:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 And people have gotten mad at me for my takes on it as well. You just, you have to come-

Steve-O 1:07:20 Right. And, and you know what? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 You just have to speak your mind, say what you really feel.

Steve-O 1:07:25 If I'm honest, I regret all of it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:07:27 You know? Like, uh, you know, I, I could have, uh, I could have worded my clarification in a way [clears throat] that made a lot more sense. I just... It bothered me so much to be so badly misunderstood.

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:07:40 You know? Like, I'm the most-

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 Well, when you talk sarcastically with a guy like Harlan Williams, when you fuck around and you say things you don't really mean-

Steve-O 1:07:48 Right

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 ... that's gonna happen.

Steve-O 1:07:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:49 I mean, Duncan is the best at that, like Duncan Trussell.

Steve-O 1:07:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 Like, he, he will have entire podcasts where he pretends he's in the Illuminati-

Steve-O 1:07:56 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 ... and he'll talk to another comic who pretends-

Steve-O 1:07:58 I love it

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 ... he's one of the Rothschilds. [clears throat]

Steve-O 1:08:00 I, I love it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 Our friend Tony gets, uh, Tony Casillas gets on his podcast and what does Tony pretend, a Rockefeller or a Rothschild?

1:08:07 It's Rothschild.

1:08:08 One of them.

Steve-O 1:08:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 So he... I think it's a Rockefeller. I might be wrong, but I mean, he, uh, he dyes his hair for the episode and everything-

Steve-O 1:08:15 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 ... and like, it's, it's so ridiculous and, and people think he really is one of those people.

Steve-O 1:08:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:20 Meanwhile, he's a doorman at the mothership. [laughs]

Steve-O 1:08:25 [laughs] Um-

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 But Duncan will go through an entire podcast without breaking character.

Steve-O 1:08:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 And they, they'll talk about how important it is to control the population. They'll talk about how important it is-

Steve-O 1:08:34 Right

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 ... to, you know, spread misinformation and, and keep people in the dark, and how stupid the plebs are.

Steve-O 1:08:40 Yeah. I just, I'm, like, I'm too fucking sensitive, man. [laughs] You know, like-

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 Yeah. Well, it seems like it's not just that you're sensitive. It seems like you're seeking out input. You're, you're seeking-

Steve-O 1:08:50 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 ... you're seeking out feedback.

Steve-O 1:08:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 And I just, I think you're a little too famous for that. I just don't think it's healthy.

Steve-O 1:08:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 I, I've known so many people that are loved, loved by so many, and yet they'll still find the people that hate them and dwell on that. And, uh, I, I've seen it with, like, very successful people.

Steve-O 1:09:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:07 It's just... You... It's just Louis said it best. Louis C.K. said it best. He said, "The internet is just talk. It's just you're wr- it's written down, so it seems more real."

Steve-O 1:09:17 [laughs] Right. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 You know? Because it stays up there forever, but it's just talk. Just like people talk at a bar, "Fuck that guy." You know, people say things-

Steve-O 1:09:23 Right

Joe Rogan 1:09:23 ... and they're not necessarily rational. They're not necessarily... Their opinions aren't necessarily valuable. Some of them are and some of them aren't. But to go through all that and figure it out, the problem is your brain only recognizes threats, danger, and people that hate you, right? So you, you could get 100 people that love you-

Steve-O 1:09:42 Right

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 ... but one person who says you fucking suck, and you'll just think about that guy.

Steve-O 1:09:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 Like, "Oh no, that guy, he used to be a fan." Like... [laughs]

Steve-O 1:09:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 "I unfollowed him a long time ago."

Steve-O 1:09:54 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:09:54 Like, ugh.

Steve-O 1:09:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:56 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:09:56 But yeah, that makes sense. And you know, another thing that, that, to that point, here I thought that, um, when this MrBeast ca- video came out and I, I won a million dollars, I gave it to Doctors Without Borders.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 Uh-huh.

Steve-O 1:10:07 Like, uh, I just thought, "Oh man, this is gonna be life altering." And like, it came and [laughs] you know, like, I had one kid come up to me in an airport and say, "Dude, you're Steve-O from MrBeast." [laughs] And I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:10:19 That's funny

Steve-O 1:10:19 ... "Oh, wow." But-

Joe Rogan 1:10:20 Different generation

Steve-O 1:10:21 ... but other than that, like, my, like, I thought it would be life altering, and it really wasn't, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:10:26 And then so now, like, in this, this little, like, this wha- whatever you wanna call it, backlash, this, like, thing, like, I, to me it feels like the, the whole world hates me, you know? Like, when in reality it's probably not-

Joe Rogan 1:10:41 No. Reality, everybody feels about you the exact same way they did before.

Steve-O 1:10:45 Right. It's crazy, man. It's crazy because, like, I'm just, like, I'll, I'll walk around and think like, "Man, like, people are looking at me and maybe they hate me." [laughs] You know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 I was, I was talking to a friend of mine who was one of the earlier ones to get canceled. This was quite a few years ago. This was, like, more than 10 years ago. Something happened online and someone said something about something that he said that was patently false, but it, a lot of people believed it. And he wa- you know, he made a, a, his own statement and, but then he said, "Everywhere I go," he goes, "I know this was small and it was only in the comedy community, but everywhere I went, I felt like these people hated me."

Steve-O 1:11:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 "They knew who they were and they were judging me. So it was like, it was tainting my feelings everywhere I went."

Steve-O 1:11:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 Now imagine being Monica Lewinsky.

Steve-O 1:11:28 Oh my God. I know.

Joe Rogan 1:11:29 Okay? So no internet, right?

Steve-O 1:11:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:11:31 So this is like, there's no way to tell whether people are siding with you or not.

Steve-O 1:11:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:11:37 And everybody knows you sucked the president's dick and you're 20, and you-

Steve-O 1:11:40 Ugh

Joe Rogan 1:11:40 ... you have to go to the store, you have to date guys.

Steve-O 1:11:43 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:11:43 And if, if you don't blow a guy, he's like, "What the fuck?"

Steve-O 1:11:46 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 You know? [laughs]

Steve-O 1:11:47 I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 You're, like, famous for it.

Steve-O 1:11:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:11:50 I, I, I... It's-

Joe Rogan 1:11:51 Every time she's probably giving head, she's thinking, "Oh my God. Why am I doing this?"

Steve-O 1:11:55 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:11:55 "I, I got, this is what got me in all this trouble in the first place."

Steve-O 1:11:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 You know? I could imagine that kind of weirdness.

Steve-O 1:12:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:01 Do you remember she did an HBO thing? She did an HBO thing way, way back in the day where she sat down to talk about what this experience has been like for her, and it was weird because there was a guy in the audience that, like, she was, like, taking questions, I guess, and the guy in the audience was like, "Why are you doing this? Like, you say you don't want attention, but here you are just getting more attention talking about it." And, like, you could tell, like, she didn't really think that through, like, that someone was gonna have that kind of a response, and it was like that was-

Steve-O 1:12:28 Wow

Joe Rogan 1:12:29 ... kinda like at the end of the thing.

Steve-O 1:12:30 I think that, like, you know, when you're in that kind of a situation, you want to on some level clarify

Joe Rogan 1:12:39 Right

Steve-O 1:12:39 Like, you know, you wanna-

Joe Rogan 1:12:40 Right

Steve-O 1:12:41 You wanna say like-

Joe Rogan 1:12:41 Say your side of it.

Steve-O 1:12:43 You're right, so-

Joe Rogan 1:12:43 But your side of it ultimately for most people is going to be trying to make yourself look better, right?

Steve-O 1:12:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:51 And I think that's a problem.

Steve-O 1:12:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 That's a problem. Because pe- that's very transparent-

Steve-O 1:12:56 Right

Joe Rogan 1:12:56 ... and people kinda know what you're doing. I think it's always better, like what you just did, where you said like, "Maybe I did overreact," or, "Maybe I shouldn't have done this," or, "Maybe I... That's a stupid thing to say." Like be much more real about how you feel about things.

Steve-O 1:13:09 Oh, I fucking blew it, Joe. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:13:12 Yeah, I know, but I mean, that's, but it doesn't matter, man.

Steve-O 1:13:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:13:14 I'm telling you, this is all in your head. Everybody still loves you.

Steve-O 1:13:17 Right. Well, it's a bad-

Joe Rogan 1:13:17 You're the same guy. The people who love you will always love you. The people who hate you... Oh, it's like, it's very rare that someone who really loves you hates you. Like, if they do, they're usually mentally ill and they want to. Like they're-

Steve-O 1:13:29 Right

Joe Rogan 1:13:29 I remember when I was a kid, people would get mad if bands became famous, and they'd be like-

Steve-O 1:13:34 Right

Joe Rogan 1:13:34 ... "Fuck those guys. They're sellouts."

Steve-O 1:13:36 Sellouts.

Joe Rogan 1:13:36 And I remember we were in high school, I go, "Let me get this straight."

Steve-O 1:13:39 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:13:39 This is me at like 16. I go, "You love them. You think they're awesome, right?" "Yeah." I go, "But when more people know they're awesome, then they're not awesome anymore because now they're mainstream?" He goes, "Yeah." I go, "Do you know how fucking dumb that sounds?"

Steve-O 1:13:53 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:13:53 Either they are awesome or they are not. If they are awesome, more people should know they are awesome.

Steve-O 1:13:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:13:58 And we're all just sitting around, and a couple of my friends go, "Yeah." Like, yeah. Yeah, this idea of like being underground is fucking retarded.

Steve-O 1:14:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:06 Like, why would you want that? If you're great, people are gonna find out about you.

Steve-O 1:14:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:11 It doesn't mean you sold out. It just means other people found out you were great. Like, you recognize something and you think you're unique in your talent to recognize-

Steve-O 1:14:20 Right

Joe Rogan 1:14:20 ... really good music, and only you can appreciate it, and if other people appreciate it, then all of a sudden it's not good? That is the dumbest fucking way to think I've ever encountered in my life.

Steve-O 1:14:29 I mean, it, to be fair, I think that the criticism at that point is when-

Joe Rogan 1:14:34 They change

Steve-O 1:14:35 ... when they're, when they're trying to-

Joe Rogan 1:14:36 Yes

Steve-O 1:14:37 ... to reach a more broad audience-

Joe Rogan 1:14:39 Right

Steve-O 1:14:39 ... and, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:14:39 But there's a lot of bands, like-

Steve-O 1:14:41 Sure

Joe Rogan 1:14:41 ... for instance, that are not doing that, and they just-

Steve-O 1:14:44 Right

Joe Rogan 1:14:44 ... they just fucking hit. Like, people are mad at Nirvana for getting big.

Steve-O 1:14:48 [laughs] Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:48 Like, okay.

Steve-O 1:14:49 Right. I, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm just being a devil's advocate.

Joe Rogan 1:14:52 Well, I get it.

Steve-O 1:14:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:53 I mean, but it's... My point is, it's a human inclination where you feel like you're a part of a small, select group-

Steve-O 1:15:00 Right, right

Joe Rogan 1:15:00 ... that really values and appreciates something, and all these normies, these fuckheads listening to fucking Debbie Gibson or whoever they're listening to, you don't want those assholes listening to-

Steve-O 1:15:09 Right

Joe Rogan 1:15:10 ... super cool music. But if it's like Nirvana, guess what? It's so good that everyone is gonna wanna listen to that.

Steve-O 1:15:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:16 And then it becomes big and you're like, "Fuck those guys. They fucking sold out." Like-

Steve-O 1:15:20 Right

Joe Rogan 1:15:21 ... it's just a dumb... You're just mad at yourself. You're mad at your life. You're mad at your position in this universe.

Steve-O 1:15:25 Well, I think that life is just getting really difficult, too, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:15:29 Well, this is now true.

Steve-O 1:15:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:32 But we're talking about people were doing this back in the-

Steve-O 1:15:34 Right, right, right, right, right

Joe Rogan 1:15:34 ... fucking '80s. They've always done this, man.

Steve-O 1:15:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:37 This is just how people behave. And you add that to the internet, and it just, everything's-

Steve-O 1:15:42 Right

Joe Rogan 1:15:42 ... accelerated.

Steve-O 1:15:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:43 Times 10, times 100, times a million, whatever the fuck it is now. And, and this is just the beginning. You know, we're, we're at the brink of something really crazy. As soon as, uh, AI takes over our society, which is, like, within years, we're, we're gonna experience the most radical change this civilization has ever seen.

Steve-O 1:16:03 Well, it's a perfect storm.

Joe Rogan 1:16:03 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:16:03 Like, it's, it's, it's literally a perfect storm, um, with the, just the unsustainable debt.

Joe Rogan 1:16:10 Well, that's part of it.

Steve-O 1:16:11 It's, I mean, that's a big part of it, because, because-

Joe Rogan 1:16:13 Yeah, I mean, that's part of it, but it's like even if there was unsustainable debt, you have an artificial life form that's emerging-

Steve-O 1:16:19 Well, right

Joe Rogan 1:16:19 ... that's infinitely smarter than human beings.

Steve-O 1:16:21 What, what I'm saying is that-

Joe Rogan 1:16:22 And has autonomy

Steve-O 1:16:23 ... the, the unsustainable debt, um, like al- already over a trillion dollars just paying for the interest alone.

Joe Rogan 1:16:30 Right.

Steve-O 1:16:31 You know, like there's, the, all the, now, like, you know, o- other nations, central banks, whatever, like they, like the, they wanna de-dollarize. They're not buying the, the United States Treasuries the way they were. And that's like how the United States has, has been able to overspend is because they can sell the Treasuries. Now, without people selling the Treasuries, the only, like the only buyer of the Treasuries is the Fed, and they're buying the Treasuries with printing money. You-

Joe Rogan 1:17:01 Is that accurate?

Steve-O 1:17:02 I think it's pretty cl-

Joe Rogan 1:17:03 Like what you just said?

Steve-O 1:17:03 I think it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:17:04 Other countries aren't buying our Treasuries anymore?

Steve-O 1:17:05 It, it, it, the, less so. It's be- it's becoming less. It's, uh... The, of course, there's still, like the United States Treasuries is the most liquid, like, you know, but less so. So when it becomes more difficult for the United States to sell its Treasuries, they gotta increase the yield, which means bigger interest payments. So at a certain point, it's like just the paying the interest on the debt is like a crippling thing. And by the Fed printing money the way they're printing, you can't inflate the money supply without devaluing the dollar.

Joe Rogan 1:17:41 Right.

Steve-O 1:17:42 So inflation more and more is gonna be a thing. Maybe not Weimar Germany or like Zimbabwe inflation, but still, inflation is not gonna go away. You just can't have the money supply increase without that being the case. And so people's purchasing power goes down. Their wages aren't going up.

Joe Rogan 1:18:04 Right.

Steve-O 1:18:04 So like people's, people are getting more and more squeezed with how much money they can afford to spend, and then on top of that, AI comes and wipes out all the jobs.

Joe Rogan 1:18:13 Yeah. Uh, it's spooky. It's spooky because, uh, no one really knows exactly what's gonna happen.You know, or how it's gonna happen, or how people will be, um, compensated in order to keep society functional. You know, uh, Elon has this, uh, utopian vision of universal high income that people will be-

Steve-O 1:18:33 Yeah, UBI, universal basic income.

Joe Rogan 1:18:34 No, no, no.

Steve-O 1:18:35 Oh, universal high income?

Joe Rogan 1:18:36 Yeah. No, his, his utopian vision is that so much money will be generated from AI that you'll be able to give people universal high income so they won't have to work, and so they'll be able to do whatever they wanna do with their life. That's the ideal perspective. The problem is, obviously, that people find a lot of identity in their work.

Steve-O 1:18:54 Sure. I mean, I got-

Joe Rogan 1:18:55 And especially if you went to school for it, you love it, this is the thing you've done. You've been a lawyer your whole life. You've been a doctor your whole life. You've been a this your whole life, and then all of a sudden, AI comes in and wipes that out, and like, what are you gonna do? You gonna play golf all day?

Steve-O 1:19:07 Right, I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:19:07 And then you have a fixed income now because even if it's universal high income, there's no incentive for you to work harder and get more things done and make more money, which is what drives a lot of people and drives a lot of innovation. So then is all innovation left up to artificial intelligence? Is that what we're really gonna do?

Steve-O 1:19:25 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:19:25 'Cause that seems kinda crazy.

Steve-O 1:19:26 It's so crazy. I kinda wonder, like-

Joe Rogan 1:19:28 Which would cede our power

Steve-O 1:19:29 ... what keeps you going? I mean, like, the, like you, uh, you're in here doing these podcasts all the time with the UFC, with like, you know, like, you don't have to be doing this.

Joe Rogan 1:19:38 Everything I do is fun.

Steve-O 1:19:40 Tell me.

Joe Rogan 1:19:40 I would do everything I do for free, and I do all the time. I do stand-up for free all the time. I do guest spots all the time. Everybody does. Every comic does.

Steve-O 1:19:48 Oh my God, did I have so much fucking fun at Kill Tony last night.

Joe Rogan 1:19:51 Oh, it's the best show. It's the best show on Earth.

Steve-O 1:19:52 He is so unbelievably talented. Like, when, like-

Joe Rogan 1:19:56 He's the best host of any live comedy sp- show, rather, of all time.

Steve-O 1:20:00 There's no way-

Joe Rogan 1:20:01 He's so good at it

Steve-O 1:20:02 ... like, like, the, like, the, the amount of time when something is presented that he nails the funniest possible thing that you could react-

Joe Rogan 1:20:12 Yeah, like it's written.

Steve-O 1:20:13 It-

Joe Rogan 1:20:14 Like you had a team of writers sitting there for-

Steve-O 1:20:16 100%

Joe Rogan 1:20:16 ... a week coming up with the best line, and it busts off the top of his head, and it's always mean. [laughs]

Steve-O 1:20:22 [laughs] Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:20:22 He's the best.

Steve-O 1:20:23 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:20:24 He's the best.

Steve-O 1:20:25 I, I, I, I know that he's sensitive about... Oh, man, he, he wouldn't have wanted me to say I was on it last night.

Joe Rogan 1:20:31 Why?

Steve-O 1:20:31 Because even before the show, he'd ask the audience, "Don't give away the secret of, uh, who's the guest."

Joe Rogan 1:20:37 It doesn't matter.

Steve-O 1:20:37 All right. Then, then I'll say one thing because it was so fun.

Joe Rogan 1:20:40 Don't say what happened 'cause this show's gonna come out before that happens.

Steve-O 1:20:43 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:20:44 Don't do that.

Steve-O 1:20:44 I'll, I'll tell you. The, uh, it's just... Suffice it to say that Tony Hinchcliffe has gotta be the fastest, wittiest fucking comic I've ever-

Joe Rogan 1:20:53 Well, he's the best at that format.

Steve-O 1:20:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:55 Like, and he created it, right?

Steve-O 1:20:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:20:57 So it's, like, a genius idea. Have comics do one minute. Like, dude, comics have done one minute the first time they've ever been on stage at Madison Square Garden-

Steve-O 1:21:08 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:21:08 ... in front of 16,000 people and fucking ate dick.

Steve-O 1:21:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:21:13 Uh, it's a great show. And then he has, you know, guys like Dave Attell, Shane Gillis-

Steve-O 1:21:19 For sure

Joe Rogan 1:21:19 ... you. Fucking Harlan is, like, one of the great- greatest guests of all time.

Steve-O 1:21:22 Donnell. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:21:23 Yeah, yeah. Donnell is amazing. He's got... I mean, g- uh, there's just so many. There's so-

Steve-O 1:21:30 Right, and, and, like-

Joe Rogan 1:21:31 Kyle Dunnigan, who does, like, five different characters that are incredible.

Steve-O 1:21:35 Yeah, such high-level comics.

Joe Rogan 1:21:37 Uh-huh. Adam Ray.

Steve-O 1:21:38 I mean, maybe... Well, r- right. But I'm saying, like, high-level feature comics-

Joe Rogan 1:21:42 Uh-huh

Steve-O 1:21:42 ... you know, who, who aren't, like, super known, but they're so good.

Joe Rogan 1:21:44 Who do one minute as well. Yeah.

Steve-O 1:21:46 They're seeking out to go... I brought my opener from tour, a, a guy who's not, like, widely known, but I just love him, and he's so funny. He's so good. Like, he-

Joe Rogan 1:21:56 And you put his name in the barrel?

Steve-O 1:21:57 Put his name in the barrel, and then-

Joe Rogan 1:21:58 That's the thing, too, if people asking me to get them on Kill Tony, I cannot. No one can. That is true. That barrel is legit. That barrel is legit.

Steve-O 1:22:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:22:08 You reach into that barrel. Tony grabs whatever piece of paper his hands touch-

Steve-O 1:22:11 Right

Joe Rogan 1:22:11 ... and he pulls it out, and that's how it's always been done, and that's how he's always gonna do it, 'cause people come to him all the time, "Hey, could you get my friend on the show?" He's like, "I cannot do that."

Steve-O 1:22:19 He's like-

Joe Rogan 1:22:20 That is the show.

Steve-O 1:22:21 Thank God. I-

Joe Rogan 1:22:22 It's gotta be chance. It's gotta be chaos.

Steve-O 1:22:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:22:24 That's part of the fun of it.

Steve-O 1:22:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:22:26 And then every now and then, someone that you've never heard of comes up and does a minute, and everybody goes, "Fuck yeah, that was awesome."

Steve-O 1:22:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:22:32 And they kill it, and all of a sudden they have a career.

Steve-O 1:22:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:22:35 It's great.

Steve-O 1:22:36 Okay. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:22:37 It's the cornerstone of stand-up, too. It really is because it's wild. All... It's like there are no rules. It's no holds barred, and it's... You, you've got great comics on the panel, and it has launched careers.

Steve-O 1:22:50 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:22:50 So because of that, like, it is so important for us having Kill Tony at the club. It's so important because it sets the tone for all these comics to know, like, hey, this isn't just, like, some random thing of I don't know what I'm doing. How do I figure it out? How do I get seen? Like, you... There's a pathway.

Steve-O 1:23:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:23:08 And if you can get on Kill Tony, and if you can work your ass off before then and build up a real solid routine and go on there and kill it, you can have a fucking career. It's real.

Steve-O 1:23:18 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:23:18 And then the club has two nights of open mic nights, and there's a real development program-

Steve-O 1:23:22 Yep

Joe Rogan 1:23:22 ... and a real talent coordinator, Adam Eget, who watches sets and gives you feedback.

Steve-O 1:23:27 Yeah. The, the, the opener that I'm talking about, and he drove all the way from Tampa to be there last night, uh, his name's Chris Harvey. I love... He's six foot four, 480 pounds, like, missing tooth, beard, funniest guy you-

Joe Rogan 1:23:44 Where's he from?

Steve-O 1:23:45 He's from, uh, Ohio. Um, is it Dayton? I'm not sure where, where now, but, uh, I, I was, I was at a comedy club in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and he just... They, they just set him up to open for me. I watched his set. I was like, "What are you doing for the next three weeks?"

Joe Rogan 1:24:01 Oh, that's awesome.

Steve-O 1:24:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:02 That's awesome.

Steve-O 1:24:03 And-

Joe Rogan 1:24:03 So did he get up on the open mic night?

Steve-O 1:24:05 He, he, uh... That, that's where I, I texted Tony like, "Hey, I've got this opener. Can I get him on?" And, and Tony said, "I can get him in the bucket. Who knows if I'll pull him out, but I can also get him on the open mic to perform for the, the booker." So he did that.

Joe Rogan 1:24:19 Nice. Nice.

Steve-O 1:24:21 And-

Joe Rogan 1:24:21 Yeah. It's important that you can't just get on the show.

Steve-O 1:24:24 Yeah, that's great.

Joe Rogan 1:24:24 Because then hi- his phone would be just overrun with people, "Get my boy on," and then some of them suck and-

Steve-O 1:24:30 That, that makes perfect sense.

Joe Rogan 1:24:31 Yeah, you have to just let it happen.

Steve-O 1:24:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:33 If they suck, they suck. If they don't, they're d- You know, it's like-Anything can happen

Steve-O 1:24:37 Cool.

Joe Rogan 1:24:37 And that's part of the beauty of it. It's like a real magical moment when you reach into that bucket, and you pull out a name and-

Steve-O 1:24:43 Right

Joe Rogan 1:24:43 ... Bob Smith

Steve-O 1:24:44 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:24:44 And then Bob Smith comes on out and gives it a shot.

Steve-O 1:24:46 And the characters.

Joe Rogan 1:24:47 Oh.

Steve-O 1:24:47 I mean, dude, it was-- I just had so much fun, man. And, and Tony-

Joe Rogan 1:24:50 I don't like being on the end.

Steve-O 1:24:52 Okay. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:24:52 'Cause you're, you're too close to these psychos.

Steve-O 1:24:54 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:24:54 I mean, you never know. Like, I'm always on edge.

Steve-O 1:24:56 [laughs] That, that's funny.

Joe Rogan 1:24:58 You wanna be, like, protected by, like, one body.

Steve-O 1:25:00 Apologies to Tony for giving away that I was on it last night. Um, the, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:25:04 He's not gonna care

Steve-O 1:25:06 ... that... You know what I wanna, I wanna tell this s- talk about, I, I watched Brian Callen's special, very recent, at the mothership. Like, uh, it was like, you got all these people, like, you know, whenever anybody put... That's the thing about fucking comedy is it's so subjective.

Joe Rogan 1:25:24 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 1:25:25 That, like, it's just, the, if anybody can shit on a special if they want. And I saw these, like, YouTube videos like, "Oh, Brian Callen's is the most worst bomb. He's gonna, like, end his career." And I was like, come on, like, let me... I was like, uh, let me watch this. I fucking enjoyed the hell out of Brian Callen's special, his, uh, one that he just taped at The Mothership.

Joe Rogan 1:25:47 That's great. You gotta stop paying attention to people.

Steve-O 1:25:49 Yeah. I, I enjoyed-

Joe Rogan 1:25:50 'Cause people want it to suck. Like-

Steve-O 1:25:53 I, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:25:53 ... there's people that think every- They think Chappelle's last special sucked. There's people-

Steve-O 1:25:57 Oh my God

Joe Rogan 1:25:57 That is just-

Steve-O 1:25:57 Can we talk about that?

Joe Rogan 1:25:59 Oh, it's... I didn't wa- I haven't seen it yet, so.

Steve-O 1:26:00 Okay. The, the-

Joe Rogan 1:26:02 But I heard it was awesome

Steve-O 1:26:03 ... the, the Riyadh-

Joe Rogan 1:26:04 From people that I trust

Steve-O 1:26:05 ... the Riyadh Comedy Festival, right? Like, it was such like a, an acop- apocalyptic fucking nuclear bomb in the world cup.

Joe Rogan 1:26:13 Did you go to that?

Steve-O 1:26:14 I didn't, no. But, like, there was s-so much backlash from people who went to it.

Joe Rogan 1:26:19 Uh-huh.

Steve-O 1:26:19 And there were, like, individual comics had their, their, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:26:24 Their takes on it

Steve-O 1:26:24 ... their, their, their own way of kind of defending their move to... You know, a lot of comics were very defensive about how they went, and, and a lot of them maybe, like, were, seemed a little bit disingenuous about, like, about in their defense. And then, dude, Dave Chappelle puts out this special, [laughs] and so unapologetic about him being at the Riyadh Comedy. It was just like he, it was so fucking masterful.

Joe Rogan 1:26:52 Oh, he's a master.

Steve-O 1:26:53 The way he was just like, "Oh," like, "I, I went to Riyadh and got paid, like, a fuck ton of money to do comedy," and, like, so unapologetic, and it was just like, oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:27:05 Well, the idea is that you support the regime by doing stand-up over there, which I think is crazy, 'cause you're doing it for the audience members, and the audience members have no say in who their government is. They're literally in a monarchy.

Steve-O 1:27:15 You know what? I'm not even... I, I, I don't even have a judgment whatsoever, especially because have I ever not watched a UFC event because it happened in-

Joe Rogan 1:27:24 Right, in Saudi Arabia

Steve-O 1:27:25 ... Saudi Arabia? Fuck no.

Joe Rogan 1:27:26 Or, yeah, or Dubai or wherever.

Steve-O 1:27:28 Right, like-

Joe Rogan 1:27:28 Yeah, you, uh, you don't do that with sporting events, but you do it with comedy. I think the idea is that comedians are supposed to be social commentators, and they're supposed to, like, carry a baton for free speech. And the, one of the particularly egregious things that's been a-attributed to Saudi Arabia was the murder of Jamal Khashoggi-

Steve-O 1:27:44 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:27:44 ... who was a journalist from The Washington Post, who was, uh, killed at the Turkish embassy, and they cut him up with a fucking bone saw and some dark shit. Um, yeah, I get it. I get the criticism, and I get people saying, "Well, I'm gonna perform for my audience, and my audience is over there." And if they say, "I can't make fun of..." I think you can't make fun of the monarchy. You can't make fun of the, the leaders or the government, and you can't make fun of Islam or religion.

Steve-O 1:28:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:28:12 I think r- maybe m- it might just be religion, period.

Steve-O 1:28:14 I, yeah, I think it was you can't be disparaging of Islam or the royal family.

Joe Rogan 1:28:19 Yeah. All right. Well, you gotta decide then if you know what those parameters are, you know. If you... Maybe it doesn't fit with your act at all, or maybe you're like, "I don't have any bits about the royal family"-

Steve-O 1:28:30 Right

Joe Rogan 1:28:31 ... "or I could just go over and do my act for a bunch of people uncensored."

Steve-O 1:28:35 Right. I mean, I, I, I, I thought about it. I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:28:38 I see both sides

Steve-O 1:28:38 ... I don't give a shit one way or the other. My only input here is that Dave Chappelle, like, checkmated-

Joe Rogan 1:28:46 Of course

Steve-O 1:28:47 ... the whole fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:28:47 He handles everything perfectly. And again, he's not on social media. He's not paying attention to people's opinions of him. You, you cannot, because there's so many people that had decided that he was a, a horrible transphobe for telling a story about his transgender friend. Like, I mean, l-literally told this story about-

Steve-O 1:29:03 Right

Joe Rogan 1:29:03 ... this person in his act, and pe-people didn't care, 'cause he made jokes about trans people. Like, of course, it's in the public eye. This idea that you can't joke about something is fu- If there's a thing you can't joke about, that thing is fucked up, and that's why the Lakota used to have a, like, a sacred clown. They called it a heyoka, and a heyoka was, like, a member of the community that was supposed to make fun of everything. And if you couldn't make fun of anything, then you knew something was wrong with that thing. Because if you, if there's a thing that you can't joke around about, that thing has been compromised, right? 'Cause you can kinda joke around about everything if it's actually funny-

Steve-O 1:29:40 Right

Joe Rogan 1:29:40 ... no matter what it is.

Steve-O 1:29:41 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:29:41 Even tragedy, given enough time-

Steve-O 1:29:43 [coughs]

Joe Rogan 1:29:43 ... you can joke around about it.

Steve-O 1:29:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:29:45 I mean, y-you could do a 9/11 joke-

Steve-O 1:29:48 Oh my God

Joe Rogan 1:29:48 ... right now, and no one's gonna blink.

Steve-O 1:29:50 Oh, oh my God. You remind me of what I think was the funniest fucking tweet that I ever saw from Jeff Ross going back... The, the year I wanna say was, like, um, 2016. The Magic Castle in Los Angeles. There was, uh, like, in the magicians... You know, when a magician was found hanging in a closet-

Joe Rogan 1:30:14 Yeah

Steve-O 1:30:14 ... in The Magic Castle.

Joe Rogan 1:30:15 Yeah, he committed suicide.

Steve-O 1:30:16 Had taken his own life.

Joe Rogan 1:30:17 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:30:18 That morning [laughs] , Jeff Ross tweeted that his last words were, "Abracadabra." [laughs] That's-

Joe Rogan 1:30:29 Jesus Christ

Steve-O 1:30:30 ... that's fucking funny.

Joe Rogan 1:30:32 That's such a Jeff Ross-type joke.

Steve-O 1:30:34 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:30:34 That's a Tony Hinchcliffe-type joke too.

Steve-O 1:30:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:30:36 Yeah, silly.

Steve-O 1:30:37 Abracadabra.

Joe Rogan 1:30:38 Yeah. I mean, if there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that, that thing is usually bullshit, and if that thing is trans people, like, then you're, you're, you are ignoring that there's a glaring hole in this narrative that you're trying to push and whether or not people are accepting that narrative.

Steve-O 1:30:54 You know, um, I, I, I'll be spilling out some of the stuff that I have in my current hour, and I really don't mind. Um, I w- uh, for me, I feel like the bar's gotta keep getting higher and keep getting higher. And so as I went into putting together this new hour that I'm touring with, one of my multimedia bits, like, ended up not being a really great idea, but I thought, "I'm gonna get a fucking boob job." [laughs] Right?

Joe Rogan 1:31:21 Oh yeah, I heard about that.

Steve-O 1:31:22 Right. I did-

Joe Rogan 1:31:22 Did you do it?

Steve-O 1:31:23 I didn't. I, I, I-

Joe Rogan 1:31:25 Good. Good

Steve-O 1:31:25 ... I, that, that was, I was within 10 hours of being under the knife.

Joe Rogan 1:31:29 Yeah, don't do that.

Steve-O 1:31:29 And, and, uh, like, the universe just intervened, right?

Joe Rogan 1:31:32 'Cause they have to cut your muscle, man.

Steve-O 1:31:34 Right. Well, I'm like, I mean, you know the, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:31:36 Don't they? Or do they go under the skin?

Steve-O 1:31:38 Well, it-

Joe Rogan 1:31:38 They go through your nipples?

Steve-O 1:31:39 ... to make it, you can do it in multiple different ways. I was, uh, I was told, um... I was interested in just the, the idea... See, because, like, I, I, uh, I'm, I'm now in my 50s, right? And so, like, my whole new hour is, is, the theme of it is, how the fuck is Steve-O supposed to be in his 50s, you know? Like, and so with the putting the stuff up my butt section is, like, the importance of, like, we're at an age, we gotta get prostate exams, colonoscopies, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:32:10 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 1:32:10 That's a real thing. And so I'm trying to, like, de-stigmatize the prostate exam.

Joe Rogan 1:32:14 Right.

Steve-O 1:32:15 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:32:16 Sure you are.

Steve-O 1:32:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:32:17 You're definitely not putting things up your ass for entertainment.

Steve-O 1:32:19 [laughs] I'm, I'm, I'm blending it together-

Joe Rogan 1:32:22 Oh, okay. Okay

Steve-O 1:32:22 ... and it's pretty awesome. And, uh, you know, one, one of my things is, like, um, you know, it's a rite of passage for men in middle age to, to one day you realize, "Holy fuck, I'm getting tits." [laughs] You know? Like, like, uh, I, I, I noticed it one time. I'm like, "I'm fucking... I got dimples," you know? Like, actual fucking underboob over here. And it's fucking, like, I'm... This wasn't supposed to happen to me. And so, like, that kinda was my motivation. I'm like, if, if this is gonna happen, then, like, I'm lashing out at Father Time. I'm gonna get a boob job. So I had the guy, um, famous plastic surgeon from Botched, D-Terry Dubrow, on my podcast, and I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:33:04 Is he one of those guys that fixes people?

Steve-O 1:33:05 [coughs] Yeah, Botched.

Joe Rogan 1:33:06 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:33:07 He's great. I, I love that guy. Happened to be, uh, brothers with the lead singer of, uh, Quiet Riot, too.

Joe Rogan 1:33:14 No way.

Steve-O 1:33:14 Yeah. Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:33:15 Come on, feel the noise.

Steve-O 1:33:17 Yep. T-Terry Dubrow.

Joe Rogan 1:33:18 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:33:18 And, and-

Joe Rogan 1:33:19 That's crazy

Steve-O 1:33:19 ... he, he was epic. So on the podcast, I was like, "Hey, I'm thinking about a f- wild, crazy stunt, like, uh, get boob, get, uh, you know, a boob job and then just, like, film a bunch of pranks and stunts and then get it out," you know? Like, wild publicity stunt. I feel like the whole world's gonna know about it. And, uh, he, um, he had me take off my shirt, and he's like, he's like, "Yeah, your, your [laughs] your skin is already loose enough. You could fit double D implants." [laughs] He says, "But you gotta get them out within two months, or the stretching would be unmanageable." And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:33:51 Oh, boy

Steve-O 1:33:52 ... and, and in my head, I'm thinking, "This is the loudest, fucking craziest... Like, this is where the bar is at," you know? Like, the, the, the-

Joe Rogan 1:34:01 You need better friends

Steve-O 1:34:02 ... the, the level-

Joe Rogan 1:34:03 You really do

Steve-O 1:34:03 ... [laughs] the level of commitment-

Joe Rogan 1:34:05 Yeah

Steve-O 1:34:05 ... to do something that fucked up, like, uh, it, I just thought... And, and I, I was really into the idea and, and I got, I got s- I got super close.

Joe Rogan 1:34:14 Call me next time.

Steve-O 1:34:15 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:34:16 Just fucking call me, dude. Don't-

Steve-O 1:34:17 You know, Da-Dana said the same thing.

Joe Rogan 1:34:19 Yeah, don't do that. Call me.

Steve-O 1:34:20 Da-Dana said the same thing, but so now, like, uh, I had blabbed it to the media, which is why you would've, you'd heard about it, that, uh, so, you know, there are all these articles.

Joe Rogan 1:34:30 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 1:34:31 It's the night before my fucking operation, and I get a phone call s- like, from the, the doctor's whatever guy. He says, "Hey, buddy, we hit a snag, man. Like, uh, the anesthesiologist backed out. You know, we gotta reschedule the surgery." And I'm like, "Fuck, man." So now the next day, they're trying to reschedule it, and I'm, I'm, uh, buying groceries in the supermarket i- in LA, and the, the person ringing me up on the cash register is, uh, like, seems pretty evidently transgender. And I'm just like, "Dude, it's like, uh, the fucking universe is giving me signs over here," you know? And so, like, I, I ask this... Didn't even occur to me up to this point that I'm gonna, that I need to, like, run it by anybody, b- 'cause I'm like, "Fuck it. My body, my choice. Who cares?" You know? I'm doing a dumb stunt to, like, you know, be crazy. But in this situation, talking to this transgen- this transgender person, I'm like, "Hey, can I run something by you?" And, and I spoke with them. They described to me a level of oppression that genuinely fucking broke my heart. They said, "Hey, let me tell you, like, I am not allowed to use the bathroom at my own place of work. We've got, like, policies-"

Joe Rogan 1:35:43 That's not true. They're just not allowed to use the bathroom if it doesn't align with their biological sex.

Steve-O 1:35:48 Okay. Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:35:50 But you gotta realize, they're not all... Listen, I genuinely think there's people that feel like they are the, in the wrong biological sex.

Steve-O 1:35:59 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:36:00 Right? But there's also people that are fucking perverts, and they have a thing called autogynephilia, and what that is, is they get a turn-on by pretending to be a woman. They get excited by it, and they wanna be around women, and they're creeps. And so you give them a fucking Willy Wonka golden ticket-

Steve-O 1:36:17 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:36:17 ... to go into the Willy W- to the women's locker room and the women's bathroom and stare at women and pretend you're a woman when you're just a crazy man, and you're actually into women.

Steve-O 1:36:26 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:36:26 That's real too, man.

Steve-O 1:36:27 I, I don't doubt that that's real, and I know that it's a super complex, nuanced thing. And, and, uh, I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:36:34 Yeah, but here's what's not complex. What is your chromosomes?

Steve-O 1:36:38 Right. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:36:38 Okay? This is the same thing for competing.

Steve-O 1:36:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:36:41 All these fucking mental gymnastics that seemingly intelligent people do to justify biological males competing with females-

Steve-O 1:36:48 Oh, like, I'm with the... And I don't think anybody's arguing that

Joe Rogan 1:36:50 ... it's the same thing.

Steve-O 1:36:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:36:52 It's the same thing

Steve-O 1:36:53 Right

Joe Rogan 1:36:54 And especially as, uh, speaking as a man who has daughters, like there are creeps, and if you give a creep... A g- and I'm not saying all trans people are creeps-

Steve-O 1:37:03 Right

Joe Rogan 1:37:03 ... but a lot of these fucking people that are in trouble for going into women's bathrooms dressed as m- a woman with a fucking beard and a hard-on are just that. They're creeps.

Steve-O 1:37:14 Right. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:37:14 They're crazy men, and these crazy men, their entire life they would get beaten up for that. Now all of a sudden they have to be accepted. So you've got two things-

Steve-O 1:37:23 Right, right, right, right

Joe Rogan 1:37:23 ... going at the same time.

Steve-O 1:37:24 For sure. For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:37:24 You've got people with gender dysphoria that-

Steve-O 1:37:27 Right

Joe Rogan 1:37:28 ... g- genuinely wish they were a woman or genuinely wish they're a man. And by the way, it's men that are the problem. No one gives a fuck about trans men going into the men's bathroom. Come on in. Who cares?

Steve-O 1:37:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:37:41 Who cares? Oh, a girl's gonna shit next to you or what is she gonna do? She's gonna pee out of a funnel?

Steve-O 1:37:46 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:37:46 What is she gonna do? Like no one's-

Steve-O 1:37:48 Hey, I'm not, I'm not-

Joe Rogan 1:37:48 ... gonna get hurt

Steve-O 1:37:49 ... arguing with you on this

Joe Rogan 1:37:49 No one's gonna get hurt. This is the problem.

Steve-O 1:37:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:37:51 When you allow perverts to have this hall pass to go into women's locker rooms and bathrooms-

Steve-O 1:37:57 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:37:58 ... so you can't say you're not allowed to use the bathroom where you work. That's not true.

Steve-O 1:38:03 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:38:03 You're just not allowed to use the women's room where other women are in there because you're not a woman. And I w- I know you wish you were a woman or whatever's-

Steve-O 1:38:12 Right, right, right

Joe Rogan 1:38:12 ... going on.

Steve-O 1:38:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:38:13 But you're not.

Steve-O 1:38:13 You know what? You make a very, very good point.

Joe Rogan 1:38:16 If you're a woman, talk, talk to most women about this.

Steve-O 1:38:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:38:19 And it's... Unless they're insanely captured by this woke ideology where they can't see reality and the fact that perverts are still a real fucking thing-

Steve-O 1:38:28 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:38:28 ... and this, this loophole. You've given loopholes. Like there's men in prison. I think it's like 47 biological males in California are housed in women's prisons. Some of 'em are sex offenders. Some of 'em in Canada, there's a guy in Canada that they had to pay for his boob job while he was in jail for being a sex offender, and they put him in a women's prison.

Steve-O 1:38:50 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:38:51 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:38:52 I'm not arguing with any of that.

Joe Rogan 1:38:53 There's men who have pretended to be women, gone into women's prison, had sex with women, and impregnated them. There's men who have sexually assaulted and raped women in prison-

Steve-O 1:39:03 Right

Joe Rogan 1:39:03 ... that are pretending to be women with functional dicks. All they have to do is identify, air quotes. When you just have to identify, that's it? No operation, no nothing, identify.

Steve-O 1:39:15 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:15 That is bonkers. And do you think they're giving them estrogen when they get in prison? Do they give hormone replacement therapy to people in prison? I don't know. I don't know, but even then it's still a man with estrogen. The, the... You can't escape your fucking chromosomes, okay? And until you can, until there's some sort of a CRISPR-

Steve-O 1:39:34 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:39:34 ... thing that, what, you really wanna be a woman? We can turn you into an actual woman. Until that happens, what you're dealing with is a form of gender dysphoria, which has always been classified as a mental illness-

Steve-O 1:39:46 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:39:47 ... until people became much more empathetic and sensitive to people that have this problem.

Steve-O 1:39:52 Right. And, and you make a completely valid argument. Um, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:39:57 Nobody should be able to tell you you can't do something fucking stupid like get a boob job-

Steve-O 1:40:02 Well, right

Joe Rogan 1:40:02 ... because they are transgender. That's crazy.

Steve-O 1:40:05 Uh, understood. Understood. My experience was that, um, I didn't get any of this like, you know, sense that this was a, a creepy pervert, anything like that. Um, I just thought, man-

Joe Rogan 1:40:19 They don't have to be a creepy pervert.

Steve-O 1:40:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:40:21 Right. But it's still a man.

Steve-O 1:40:22 Uh, understood. I just thought, man, um, I, I, I heard what they had to say about, you know, politicians trying to put 'em in internment camps and, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:40:34 Who's doing that? Who's... What politicians are saying they should be put in internment camps?

Steve-O 1:40:37 I think that there was some kind of a-

Joe Rogan 1:40:40 There might be one kook out there that's saying that to try to get attention.

Steve-O 1:40:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:40:43 There's no movement to try to put transgender people in internment camps.

Steve-O 1:40:47 Okay. Well, then I- I'll, I'll land on this.

Joe Rogan 1:40:49 Do you know who's killed more people than ICE this year? Trans shooters. Do you know the majority of these high school shootings have been transgender people?

Steve-O 1:40:59 I, I did not know that.

Joe Rogan 1:41:00 Yeah. Well, how many of 'em? There was one recently.

Steve-O 1:41:04 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:41:04 And yeah, it's a lot of 'em. You know why? Because they're giving them psych medications, they're giving 'em a bunch of crazy hormones, and a lot of 'em probably have mental struggles already, and they're ostracized from society, and fill in the blank, and then they're empowered by thinking that the, you know, that the world has done something bad to them and that there's like a, a genocide against trans people.

Steve-O 1:41:27 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:41:27 And they attack JK Rowling, and they attack all these people. Martina Navratilova, who's like a famous lesbian, for being a bigot because she doesn't want biological men competing with women in tennis. It's nuts, man.

Steve-O 1:41:40 But then, yeah-

Joe Rogan 1:41:40 And it's like either you go by biology or you do not. Either you go by XY chromosome or then you're in this weird fucking gray area where someone could just tell you they're a woman. That's how you get men in women's prisons.

Steve-O 1:41:56 Yeah. All right. You've, you've convinced me.

Joe Rogan 1:41:59 It doesn't mean you can't be kind.

Steve-O 1:42:01 Yeah, but you-

Joe Rogan 1:42:01 It doesn't mean you can't... I'm, I am... I try to be kind to everyone.

Steve-O 1:42:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:04 And if, and if I meet someone who's trans, if they want me to call them Stacy or whatever, like I, I know a couple trans people. My friend Jim Norton is married to a trans woman.

Steve-O 1:42:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:13 I'm c- super cool with them, hug her every time I see her.

Steve-O 1:42:16 I, I'm with that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:16 I'm cool with that. But at the end of the day, if I was a woman, I'd, I want biological women in my... The, I think the solution is individual bathrooms whenever feasible.

Steve-O 1:42:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:28 And if you wanna have an all-gender bathroom, phew, good luck with the legal ramifications of that if it's a bar because then any guy can fucking go in there and any guy and girl can get a ba-

Steve-O 1:42:37 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:42:37 ... if it, if it's a multiple stall bathroom.

Steve-O 1:42:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:42:40 But the solution is XY chromosome. The solution is like if a guy walks into the men's room with a dress on and he's trans, just leave him alone.Leave him alone. Let him go to the bathroom. Like, why, what is the big deal?

Steve-O 1:42:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:52 You're... Like at the end of the day, we have to understand that like what is more important, one person's feelings or the safety of all these women?

Steve-O 1:43:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:43:00 And the safety of all these women is much more important.

Steve-O 1:43:03 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:43:04 So you, you gotta be kind to people, but also you gotta have rules. There's a reason why there's a woman's room and a men's room. It's 'cause some men are fucking creeps, and if you allow those creeps to just put on a dress, well you... And again, I'm not saying all trans people are like this-

Steve-O 1:43:18 Right

Joe Rogan 1:43:18 ... at all, but you can't have that loophole. You can't. That's like y- well, you can't have an open border, doesn't mean that all immigrants are murderers, and you don't think that either, right?

Steve-O 1:43:27 Right. I don't.

Joe Rogan 1:43:28 But some people that sneak across the border, if you don't check, are going to be murderers. It's just a fact.

Steve-O 1:43:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:35 So you have to have a fucking closed border check, and you have to have a gender border, too.

Steve-O 1:43:38 Yep. Well, goddamn it. And, and my only takeaway from my experience that I was relating to you is that, uh, it, it made me feel compassionate.

Joe Rogan 1:43:47 Well, that's nice.

Steve-O 1:43:48 And I wanna be, I wanna be a good-

Joe Rogan 1:43:49 That's good. A better reason would be it's fucking stupid to get a boob job.

Steve-O 1:43:53 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:43:53 Don't do it. No one's gonna like you more or think you're cool 'cause you got a boob job at 52.

Steve-O 1:43:59 Right. I'm, I'm glad-

Joe Rogan 1:44:00 Don't-

Steve-O 1:44:00 I'm glad that-

Joe Rogan 1:44:00 How old are you now?

Steve-O 1:44:01 51.

Joe Rogan 1:44:02 Yeah, that's too old for a boob job.

Steve-O 1:44:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:04 Even if you're a girl.

Steve-O 1:44:05 I'm, uh, I'm really-

Joe Rogan 1:44:05 Stop. Unless you got, just got divorced, you're like, "I need some new dick. I gotta go."

Steve-O 1:44:08 I'm really glad that I didn't do it. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:44:10 Yeah, me too.

Steve-O 1:44:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:12 If you were here with a boob, with two giant boobs, I'd be like, "I don't know what to say to this guy. This is so stupid."

Steve-O 1:44:17 You know who was, who was into the idea and thought it was fucking really funny was Bert. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:44:22 Of course. Of course.

Steve-O 1:44:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:24 Also, he has his own boobs.

Steve-O 1:44:26 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:44:26 So, you know.

Steve-O 1:44:28 Right. Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:44:29 Bert goes back and forth, but he's light now. He's, uh, he quit drinking for like six months.

Steve-O 1:44:34 Oh, man, and his-

Joe Rogan 1:44:34 He had a little bit of a health scare

Steve-O 1:44:36 ... his, uh, fucking sitcom on Netflix is so good.

Joe Rogan 1:44:39 It's really good.

Steve-O 1:44:40 So good.

Joe Rogan 1:44:40 He's funny, man. He's a fun dude. It's just like he's another guy that is like c- a little overexposed. He does so much promotion and so much stuff, like you. You know, like the talking about that thing where you get the feed- the, the negative feedback.

Steve-O 1:44:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:53 He's got a lot of negative feedback for overpromoting shows. But don't listen. Don't watch it. Who cares?

Steve-O 1:45:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:45:00 If you d- if you think he's promoting himself too much, just don't pay attention.

Steve-O 1:45:04 Let, let me, let me run this by you.

Joe Rogan 1:45:05 There's shit to be angry about in the world.

Steve-O 1:45:07 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:45:07 Bert Kreischer promoting-

Steve-O 1:45:09 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:45:09 ... a comedy special is not on that list.

Steve-O 1:45:12 Right. Let, let me, let me run this by you. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:45:15 Okay

Steve-O 1:45:15 ... the, uh... Okay. So I decided like, uh, I'm only gonna promote things that, uh, that are healthy, you know, or at the very least don't do harm.

Joe Rogan 1:45:24 Okay.

Steve-O 1:45:24 Kinda felt really good about that.

Joe Rogan 1:45:26 All right.

Steve-O 1:45:26 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:45:26 So what are you promoting that you have a problem with? [laughs]

Steve-O 1:45:30 [laughs] One, I, I see, uh, this, this guy, B- Brian Johnson, the, the-

Joe Rogan 1:45:35 Oh, the guy who wants to live forever.

Steve-O 1:45:37 The, yeah, the guy who wants to live forever. I'm fascinated by him.

Joe Rogan 1:45:39 Okay.

Steve-O 1:45:39 I had him on my podcast, and, uh, I, I, and you know. I mean, he's, he's a unique guy. But I see him, he's on this warpath against AG1, and I'm like, "Goddamn." [laughs] You know, I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:45:54 Right, right. He sells a competing supplement.

Steve-O 1:45:56 Right. That sounds fucking like-

Joe Rogan 1:45:57 Here's the thing about AG1.

Steve-O 1:45:58 I, I... For, for what it's worth, I drink AG1 every goddamn day, and I love it.

Joe Rogan 1:46:02 It's a vitamin. It's a multivitamin. It's not the end-all, be-all, it's gonna fix your health. But uh, uh, vitamins are good for you, and if you can get vitamins in a simple travel pack like AG1 has and throw them in your book bag and take them with you places, it's better than not having vitamins. Period. That's it. That's all it is.

Steve-O 1:46:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:46:21 Um, I think pro- the, part of the problem that people have with AG1 is maybe they overstated some of the benefits of the probiotics and prebiotics. Like when people have analyzed the, um, the nutrient density of these packs and what the ingredients is, that's been their criticism. But criticizing a multivitamin that you're taking in a liquid form, like that seems kinda silly. Like it's... Is it gonna be the best thing that you've ever done for your health? No. Being in shape and eating well is the best thing you've ever done for your health. But having like some sort of, uh, nu- nutritional insurance, some sort of a little thing, little thing that you add to your, your food every day, to your, you know, your-

Steve-O 1:47:00 Fill in... It's designed to fill in the gaps in your diet.

Joe Rogan 1:47:04 It's, it's a good thing to have vitamins, period. That's it. Vitamins are good.

Steve-O 1:47:09 And it tastes good. I li-

Joe Rogan 1:47:10 It's simple

Steve-O 1:47:10 ... a lot of people say AG1-

Joe Rogan 1:47:11 It's very simple

Steve-O 1:47:12 ... doesn't taste good. I like the way it tastes.

Joe Rogan 1:47:13 You know, and if you think it's too expensive or you think it's not good enough, then okay, don't take it. Whatever.

Steve-O 1:47:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:47:18 But if you take it, it's not bad for you. There's a lot of things that are bad for you. AG1's not bad for you. It's fucking vitamins. Like it's-

Steve-O 1:47:24 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:47:24 ... pretty simple. Pretty simple stuff.

Steve-O 1:47:26 Okay, good.

Joe Rogan 1:47:27 Take it or don't take it. Who cares?

Steve-O 1:47:29 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:47:30 You know, people worry too much, again, about stupid fucking shit. You have a brief amount of time in this. You're halfway dead, bubba. You know?

Steve-O 1:47:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:47:37 You don't have much time on this planet to be worrying about stupid shit.

Steve-O 1:47:40 Thank you, Joe. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:47:42 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:47:42 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:47:43 Don't. Don't do it, man.

Steve-O 1:47:44 Okay. I wanna, I wanna... I just wanna be a good guy.

Joe Rogan 1:47:47 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:47:47 That's my thing.

Joe Rogan 1:47:47 Then just be a good guy.

Steve-O 1:47:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:47:49 But don't worry about it all the time.

Steve-O 1:47:51 Good.

Joe Rogan 1:47:51 That shit ain't good for you.

Steve-O 1:47:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:47:53 Don't, don't be in your head like that.

Steve-O 1:47:54 You know, you know what? Um-

Joe Rogan 1:47:55 Like, you're in your head worrying about your public image. You're in your head worried about where you are in your career. You're in your head... Just do your best.

Steve-O 1:48:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:01 Just do your best all the time.

Steve-O 1:48:03 Yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:48:05 If you enjoy what you're doing, and you do your best, everything's gonna be fine.

Steve-O 1:48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:10 Or not.

Steve-O 1:48:11 I, I do-

Joe Rogan 1:48:12 Or you die. You know? Like, you can't control that either. So what do you... Just keep going.

Steve-O 1:48:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:18 Just stop being in your head. Everybody is like, you know, you've got this all mapped out, and a lot of what you're mapping out is other people's opinions of you. Like, oh, there's no better way to fuck up your life-

Steve-O 1:48:29 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:48:29 ... than to live for other people's opinions.

Steve-O 1:48:31 There you go.

Joe Rogan 1:48:32 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:48:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:32 I mean, do self-auditing. Do some self-assessing. You know? There's many times in my life when I'm unhappy with myself, and so I don't. I fix it.

Steve-O 1:48:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:41 Figure it out. Fix it. Do b- do better. Do, fix that, fix this. Don't, don't do as much of that. Do less of this.

Steve-O 1:48:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:48:48 Do, uh, more of what you think is good, you know?

Steve-O 1:48:52 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:48:53 Try to be a nicer person. Try to be kind. Like, it's like you can... But don't sit around worrying about what each individual commenter thinks-

Steve-O 1:49:00 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:49:01 ... about you. God, that's crazy for you.

Steve-O 1:49:03 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:49:03 It's, you're, you're absorbing too much negativity, and it's, this is the message that I give to everybody. Look, there's a l- great benefit to social media. It's an amazing tool, and it's changed society. However, it's just like gambling, it's just like pornography, it's just like food. You can get wrapped up in it, and it could be your whole fucking life if you let it.

Steve-O 1:49:24 It's been over a decade since I watched porn.

Joe Rogan 1:49:27 That's awesome.

Steve-O 1:49:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:49:31 Good for you. In some people, it's been about five minutes. [laughs]

Steve-O 1:49:36 [laughs] Right.

Joe Rogan 1:49:36 Some people are watching porn on a split screen right now while they're watching this.

Steve-O 1:49:40 [laughs] Split screen.

Joe Rogan 1:49:40 They're, they're jacking off right now to a gang bang while you're listening to Steve-O talk about how, "Oh, you're missing out."

Steve-O 1:49:46 [laughs] Damn.

Joe Rogan 1:49:47 You know how many people are subscribed to OnlyFans? We were looking this up the other day. It's like, what are the numbers of Americans? It's something shocking. It's some insanely shocking number. It's like 100-plus million subscribers to OnlyFans.

Steve-O 1:50:01 Man.

Joe Rogan 1:50:03 And then with women, it's some- somewhere between, like, the ages of 18 to, like, 20-something. It's like 10% of the population is on OnlyFans.

Steve-O 1:50:14 As content-

Joe Rogan 1:50:16 As content creators.

Steve-O 1:50:17 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:50:18 Yeah. Yeah. So that's what's weird is 'cause, like, if you think about it, if you fuck on camera, right? You're kind of... You're a porn star, right? But maybe you're only fucking your boyfriend. Maybe you wear a mask. Okay. But you're... Are you doing it for money? What if you have sex with other people for money? Is that prostitution? So what if they just said, "Well, let's just legalize prostitution"? Do you know how many fucking people would become prostitutes if they got desperate? Like Uber driver or prostitute.

Steve-O 1:50:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:50:49 You know? What do you want to do? Like there's a lot of people who would go into prostitution, and some people think they should have that right to do that, and it should be freedom, and freedom of expression, and freedom of occupation. And then other people go, "That might not be the best for society."

Steve-O 1:51:04 I, I had this crazy thought at one point.

Joe Rogan 1:51:07 What are the numbers for OnlyFans?

Speaker 1:51:08 Uh, there's no official numbers. It's somewhere in the range of 100 to 150 million, but-

Joe Rogan 1:51:14 Whoa

Speaker 1:51:14 ... only 4% of those are actually people who pay.

Joe Rogan 1:51:18 Oh.

Speaker 1:51:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:18 How's that work?

Speaker 1:51:19 Well, uh, they're free accounts.

Joe Rogan 1:51:21 Oh, okay. So what percent is people that pay?

Speaker 1:51:23 4%. Sorry. 4%.

Joe Rogan 1:51:24 Four?

Speaker 1:51:25 Yeah.

Steve-O 1:51:25 4.2.

Joe Rogan 1:51:26 Four?

Steve-O 1:51:28 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:51:28 Oh, so there's 100 million people accessing free content, and 4% of the users actually compete paid transactions. Wait a minute, but does it cost money to join?

Speaker 1:51:40 Nope.

Joe Rogan 1:51:41 It doesn't cost to join.

Speaker 1:51:42 It's up to the person who's making the content.

Joe Rogan 1:51:44 So is a paid transaction mean you subscribed?

Speaker 1:51:47 Depends.

Joe Rogan 1:51:48 So like do... So if you go on OnlyFans, um, you have to subscribe to each person's content, right?

Speaker 1:51:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:51:55 Okay. So it's only 4% that are doing that. So over 100 million creepers are just checking it out. Rawr.

Speaker 1:52:03 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:52:03 Rawr

Speaker 1:52:04 ... that's where you go, peop- people have multiple accounts.

Joe Rogan 1:52:06 Right.

Speaker 1:52:07 You know, one-

Joe Rogan 1:52:07 That's a good point.

Speaker 1:52:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:52:09 Um, why?

Speaker 1:52:10 Well, various reasons. I wouldn't get into them.

Joe Rogan 1:52:14 [laughs]

Steve-O 1:52:14 Jamie's got multiple accounts. [laughs]

Speaker 1:52:17 I've never, I've never subscribed to OneOnlyFans.

Joe Rogan 1:52:19 Of course not. I was joking.

Steve-O 1:52:21 I, I-

Joe Rogan 1:52:21 But I mean, so 4% is not as much-

Steve-O 1:52:24 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:52:24 ... but it's still-

Steve-O 1:52:25 ... 4 million people that are paying, f- four or five million people that are-

Joe Rogan 1:52:28 Yeah, still a lot

Steve-O 1:52:29 ... that are paying, and um-

Joe Rogan 1:52:31 And what are the percentage of young girls that are on OnlyFans as content creators? And they're not all showing the cooch. Some of them are just-

Steve-O 1:52:39 Yeah, there's-

Joe Rogan 1:52:39 ... little, little nip sl- slip, maybe just a bikini shot.

Steve-O 1:52:43 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:52:43 You know? G-string, bend over. It, but it's still-

Steve-O 1:52:47 But then you've got, like, the Bhad Bhabie chick make, like, $50 million on there or something.

Joe Rogan 1:52:52 I know, that's crazy. What did she do on there?

Steve-O 1:52:53 I don't know. I have no idea.

Speaker 1:52:55 According to these numbers, four to 4.6 million creators worldwide with one million of them being in America.

Joe Rogan 1:53:02 Oh, that's it? So when they said it's 10% of girls 18 to 49, what percentage of girls, uh, not 18 to four- tw- uh, 18 to 25, it's... I think that was the number. What percentage of girls, put that in, 18 to 25 in America are, uh, have an account on OnlyFans? Percentage of girls between 18 to 25 in America have an account on OnlyFans. Okay, let's see here. Let's see what it says. 10%. 14% of American women aged 18 to 24 have an OnlyFans account. That's crazy, dude.

Steve-O 1:53:42 That is really crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:53:43 That's crazy. 14% of American women aged 18 to 24 have an OnlyFans account. That is wild.

Speaker 1:53:51 It, it's just an estimate, though, just for argument's sake.

Joe Rogan 1:53:54 Yeah.

Speaker 1:53:54 'Cause there are not official numbers, I don't think in any way.

Steve-O 1:53:57 Um, I, I had this crazy thought. Hypothetically-

Joe Rogan 1:54:00 That's a crazy estimate

Steve-O 1:54:03 ... hypothetically, if you had, like, a brick-and-mortar establishment with a bunch of chicks in there, and, uh, and-

Joe Rogan 1:54:09 Or else, you mean.

Steve-O 1:54:10 Right, yeah. And, and an ordained minister so that, like, a guy could walk in, pick out a woman, and, and-

Joe Rogan 1:54:19 Marry them

Steve-O 1:54:19 ... marry them on the spot. So then now that's your wife, and you are, uh, consummating your marriage. That's gotta be totally legal. And then as you leave the establishment, you annul the marriage. [laughs] Is that not, like, a... Would that not just automatically-

Joe Rogan 1:54:37 That's a loophole?

Steve-O 1:54:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:54:38 That's a prostitution loophole? Well, one thing you could do is you could have a thing where you could fall in love immediately and get married, then give someone citizenship.

Steve-O 1:54:47 Right. But as soon as you... As, and [laughs] I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:54:50 But they come and visit you. They wanna see if you're, like, really in love. Like, they're like, "How long have you guys known each other?"

Steve-O 1:54:56 Right. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:54:56 "Hold hand- let me see you hold hands."

Steve-O 1:54:58 I know a b-

Joe Rogan 1:54:58 "Let me see you kiss."

Steve-O 1:54:59 I know a bunch of people who have gotten married for just citizenship purposes.

Joe Rogan 1:55:02 Oh, yeah, I know a dude who married a girl for citizenshipYeah

Steve-O 1:55:06 But, but, uh, you gotta stay married.

Joe Rogan 1:55:09 Yeah. It was-- He did it for her. She was, uh... Fuck, where was she from? I forget. But they didn't even really have a relationship. I think she was from Russia. They didn't really-

Steve-O 1:55:17 Yeah, they, they seem to tend to be from Russia.

Joe Rogan 1:55:20 Yeah. She... It was just like they made a deal. I think it was a financial deal. This is the '90s. She's dead now.

Steve-O 1:55:26 Okay, I wanna ask you, do you believe in reincarnation?

Joe Rogan 1:55:30 I don't not believe in it.

Steve-O 1:55:31 I think that there's, like, pretty, like, solid evidence to, like... I-if not irrefutable, but, like, you got little kids that are, like, giving, like, details that check out-

Joe Rogan 1:55:45 Mm-hmm

Steve-O 1:55:45 ... total, like, you know. And, and they know, like-

Joe Rogan 1:55:49 There's another alternative. The, that alternative is genetic memory. And, um, so we know that some memories are transferred through genes, and this is one of the reasons why arachnophobia exists. Uh, arachnophobia is an irrational fear of spiders.

Steve-O 1:56:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:56:04 The, the idea is that at some point in your genetic lineage, someone got really fucked up by a spider. Either you witnessed someone dying from a spider bite or you almost died from a spider bite, and that memory is transferred through the genes. The same with ophidiophobia, which is, uh, a fear of snakes.

Steve-O 1:56:20 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:56:20 There's irrational fears that some people have that they attribute to a possible genetic memory. And then there's also... There's genetic memories, like, that are in animals that we know for a fact. Like, a dog does not have to be taught... Like, I have a golden retriever.

Steve-O 1:56:36 Marshall.

Joe Rogan 1:56:37 I know. Marshall, he's the best. And y-you don't have to teach Marshall to bring a ball back. He's a retriever. He has some sort of a genetic memory. And he also... I didn't have to teach him to pee in a bush and lift his leg. Like, he knew how to do that.

Steve-O 1:56:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:56:49 He just... It's in their, it's in their system, right? There's a bunch of things that are in their system. There's... They see animals, they get excited, they wanna bite 'em. Like, it, it's not a learned behavior. Like, that dog's super well-fed, but he will fuck a squirrel up-

Steve-O 1:57:02 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:57:02 ... if he catches it. Why? Because it's in his genetics. It's in his-

Steve-O 1:57:05 Predatory instinct.

Joe Rogan 1:57:07 Right. So then with humans, think about all the different things that humans learn, and think of all the different fears that humans have, and how many of them are programmed. Like, um, Rupert Sheldrake had a really important point once about, um, what children are afraid of. He goes, "If you think about it, what are children afraid of? They're afraid of monsters in the dark," right? They're, they're not afraid of child molesters or murderers or rapists, car accidents. They're not afraid of... They're not afraid of things that really can harm them. They're afraid of monsters. And most children, especially living in a city, have never seen a monster, right? So why are they afraid of this thing? Well, it's because there's a genetic memory of us being preyed on by cats, and big cats who killed people forever, hid in the trees, they hid in the dark, and you would go out to get water, and they'd fuck you up and kill you. And so that is in little kids' memories. So if there's, if there's these kind of peripheral abstract memories or, or really radical sharp memories that don't make sense, like arachnophobia and things like that, like, it's so possible that it's not just those things that are transferred through the genetics, but also learned experiences and maybe even information. You just don't have a way of expressing it yet. That's one of the reasons why you'll notice that a lot of the children of talented musicians are really talented, even when they're adopted, even when they grew up in different families. They might have never even been around that parent, but they have, like, some sort of-

Steve-O 1:58:38 Wow

Joe Rogan 1:58:38 ... innate musical talent or literary talent or, or something. It's... I think there's some things that get transferred in DNA that we're not totally aware of. It's not like you get a menu list of all the things that you got from your parents. Oh, like, my dad was into history, that's why I'm into history.

Steve-O 1:58:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:58:55 My... Like, look at all these things. I think there's a lot of stuff that transfers that maybe gets filed away, and maybe other people have access to those memories that you don't. Like, there's weird levels of memory retention. We were talking about Marilu Henner from "Taxi" the other day. What's that disease she has? It's not a disease. It's the opposite of a disease. It's an amazing ability. She has this incredible ability. You can tell her July 2nd, 1976. She could tell you it was a Tuesday. She could tell you what happened, what was in the news-

Steve-O 1:59:27 Wow

Joe Rogan 1:59:27 ... who did what, what she did, what color sh- clothes she was wearing. Highly superior autobiographical memory. Now, imagine if that, whatever that is, that incredible memory, is passed genetically occasionally, and passed into some children, and then they don't just get the memory of their own life, but they get the memory of previous lives that other people have lived.

Steve-O 1:59:52 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:59:53 So you think about how many different generations-

Steve-O 1:59:55 Right

Joe Rogan 1:59:55 ... of human beings had to exist before Steve-O was born.

Steve-O 1:59:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:59:58 You have all of this DNA and all of this information-

Steve-O 2:00:02 Right

Joe Rogan 2:00:02 ... inside of your genes, supposedly. Maybe you can access some of that, and that some of it that you're accessing might be what we're calling reincarnation.

Steve-O 2:00:12 Okay. I, I, I'll-

Joe Rogan 2:00:13 What is this, Jamie?

Speaker 2:00:13 This is the doctor who is a specialist in reincarnation at the University of Virginia. His name's Dr. Jim Tucker. He's continuing the work of anoth- of a previous doctor. I think Hammond is his last name.

Joe Rogan 2:00:24 Interesting.

Speaker 2:00:25 These are the two most repeated stories I've heard about that they, that people talk about. There's a kid that repeats stories of a, a plane crash when he was a pilot.

Joe Rogan 2:00:32 Mm.

Speaker 2:00:33 He's got a lot... The, the... There's further videos I've watched on this kid. So many details are insane.

Steve-O 2:00:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:00:37 Details verified against historical records of a pilot who died 50 years earl-earlier, matching exactly despite no prior family exposure.

Speaker 2:00:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:00:47 Okay. Well, that's very different. So-

Speaker 2:00:48 He went and met people and recognized them, I think, and even pointed out some of the bodies.

Steve-O 2:00:51 Well, yeah. Th-there's-

Joe Rogan 2:00:52 Okay, so that... But here's the thing. If that kid is not related i-in any way to this person who died from the plane crash-

Speaker 2:00:59 I don't believe so

Joe Rogan 2:01:00 ... then we're talking about something totally different then.

Speaker 2:01:02 But what, what you are getting at, uh, there is discussions of this kind of overall work, I think it's on here, where people talk about that it's, it's, uh, D-Deepak Chopra says it's a little bit like quantum physics

Joe Rogan 2:01:14 So how this happens isn't known, obviously, because this guy even says it starts, I think, between like age two, and by age five or so, all the memories are kind of gone and they don't remember the stuff anymore.

Steve-O 2:01:25 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:01:25 It's, it's like very fleeting.

Steve-O 2:01:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:01:26 You can't really ask a lot of questions. They have to just tell you, and if you start asking too many questions, they freak out. Some of the kids start crying, and they don't even... Like, it, it goes away.

Steve-O 2:01:34 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 2:01:35 It's very odd, but there's two new cases.

Steve-O 2:01:37 Well, what's really odd is that it goes away.

Joe Rogan 2:01:39 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:01:39 That's really odd.

Joe Rogan 2:01:40 And then what, as you were saying with Marilu Henner, hers doesn't even start until she was age 11.

Steve-O 2:01:44 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 2:01:45 So she doesn't have that much memory before that.

Steve-O 2:01:47 Yeah, it's always little kids. It's always little kids that have, uh, memories of, of past lives. And they're, they're supposed to name the, um, the Dalai Lama based on a kid having a memory. You know?

Joe Rogan 2:02:02 Right.

Steve-O 2:02:02 It's supposed to be a reincarnation thing.

Joe Rogan 2:02:04 Oh.

Steve-O 2:02:05 Um, you know, I, I'm fascinated by that, and also, um, kind of in the same vein of it, um, so many irrefutable examples of where, um, consciousness is evident separate from the brain. Like, you've got the, um, you know, like, people with no brain activity whatsoever. You know, like, they're, they're officially dead. You know, they're in the hospital, and the, they're, they wake up, come back to life or whatever the case may be, and they're explaining to the doctor what was happening while they were unconscious.

Joe Rogan 2:02:41 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:02:42 And to the extent that that can maybe be explained from what hap- you know, they were in the room, a lot of these cases, they're, they wake up and they say what the doctor was doing in a different part of the hospital. You know? Like there's-

Joe Rogan 2:02:58 Whoa.

Steve-O 2:02:58 There, there, there's a, a case of a guy, a, a doctor, he was like, had, you know, had a, a patient and, you know, he's in the cafeteria at the hospital. He gets, like, spills spaghetti on his shirt or something, and he's like, "Oh man, I got a stain on my shirt." And so he, like, puts his lab coat, you know, over it and, and does it up, and then the patient wakes up and says, "Oh yeah, I saw you spilled shit on your shirt." You know? Like, there's a lot of evidence of consciousness, like, operating separate from the brain.

Joe Rogan 2:03:29 Mm.

Steve-O 2:03:29 And I had the most fascinating conversation with Duncan Trussell about the idea that, that the brain is not a, a generator. It's not a transmitter-

Joe Rogan 2:03:43 It's an antenna

Steve-O 2:03:43 ... of conscious. Yeah, it's an antenna.

Joe Rogan 2:03:45 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:03:45 You know? And that explains a lot of stuff to me, you know, uh, about, about the soul. I was saying, like, to, to Duncan Trussell, imagine that, uh, that we're, like, more, we're more of a radio, like an antenna. You know? Like, you can take a radio and with a sledgehammer just smash it to smithereens. You've done nothing to disrupt the actual signal.

Joe Rogan 2:04:08 Mm.

Steve-O 2:04:09 So the, you know, the, the, you know, that signal can now tune in, be picked up by another radio, and that kind of explains reincarnation to me on some level. And Duncan Trussell hears that. He goes, "Yeah, and you got so many fucking people walking around, they, they, they, they don't realize they're a radio. They think they're the fucking Beatles." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:04:32 [laughs] That's hilarious.

Steve-O 2:04:33 [laughs] Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04:36 Duncan's so funny.

Steve-O 2:04:37 He's so good, man.

Joe Rogan 2:04:38 Such a unique human.

Steve-O 2:04:39 Yeah. And so all of this stuff is, like, super fascinating to me. Um, espe-

Joe Rogan 2:04:44 It is interesting, but there's no answers, so it's like there's a reason why so many societies and so many civilizations for a long time have believed in reincarnation, afterlife, that there's some sort of disembodied consciousness. There's, there's a reason.

Steve-O 2:05:00 Sure. Consciousness. Consciousness goes on.

Joe Rogan 2:05:01 But then it gets really weird. It's like they've also believed in beings that have come down from the heavens. So what are those things?

Steve-O 2:05:08 And built pyramids. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:05:08 Yeah. [laughs] What are those things?

Steve-O 2:05:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:05:11 What's that about?

Steve-O 2:05:12 How-

Joe Rogan 2:05:12 Who are those people?

Steve-O 2:05:13 How about near-death experiences?

Joe Rogan 2:05:15 Well, near-death experiences you could attribute to a lot of things, right? Um, one of the things you could attribute to is an endogenous dump of psychedelic chemicals that we know the brain makes under stress, and one of the big ones is dimethyltryptamine, which we, we know your, your body makes, and it... There's a lot of people that think that it's sort of a chemical gateway, and that, that what you're doing is getting a peek into the afterlife, that when you're having these DMT experiences, and that when you're having a near-death experience, that's your brain flooding with DMT to prepare you for leaving this world.

Steve-O 2:05:53 Okay. Um-

Joe Rogan 2:05:54 It's just weird that they all have a very similar thing about going through a tunnel, and a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like this... It's a journey, and what is... Uh, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience. I don't know what it's like.

Steve-O 2:06:06 You know who, who had one? Jeremy Renner.

Joe Rogan 2:06:09 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Steve-O 2:06:10 With the snowmobile accident.

Joe Rogan 2:06:11 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:06:11 Like, I'm so fascinated by near-death experience, um, videos on YouTube. You got people, thousands of people, who have had the experience of dying-

Joe Rogan 2:06:19 Mm-hmm

Steve-O 2:06:19 ... been on the other side, and they describe what's called life review.

Joe Rogan 2:06:24 Mm.

Steve-O 2:06:24 Okay? Like, the, there's the, the saying that everybody's familiar with that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes.

Joe Rogan 2:06:30 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 2:06:31 However, the way that these people describe it, it's that on the other side of death, like, uh, as, you know, a spirit, like, somehow the concept of time is, like, doesn't apply anymore. So you've got, like... It's not like s- that your life flashes before your eyes, because time isn't, like, a, there's no time constraint. So you've got, like, you know, unfathomable, like, immersion, you know, without time, and that it's not that you're, uh, you know, experiencing your life as you, as you experienced it, but rather you're ex- they describe experiencing your life in the most, like, you know, I guess important, memorable moments from the perspective of the people who-Who you, um, influenced, you know, the people who you had an impact on.

Joe Rogan 2:07:22 Mm.

Steve-O 2:07:23 And, and it's not just from their perspective, but in this near-death experience life review, the way that they describe it, you are those people, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:07:33 Mm.

Steve-O 2:07:33 It's like... And, and every, uh, you know, all the scriptures, all the spirituality, like there's this, this, the idea that, that s-separation is an illusion.

Joe Rogan 2:07:44 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:07:44 That at the end of the day, that there's only oneness. We're all one thing. We're all eyes in the same head, you know? We're all the same thing wearing different costumes.

Joe Rogan 2:07:53 Right. So that begs the question, like why are we separate? Like, what's the purpose for being separate?

Steve-O 2:07:58 The experience. For, like the, the... As I understand it, uh, the way that, that, uh, you know, the, what I've bought onto is that the universe, you know, everything, you know, like God-

Joe Rogan 2:08:11 Uh-huh

Steve-O 2:08:12 ... in the absolute form, God as one thing cannot have experience because there's nothing to, to relate to.

Joe Rogan 2:08:22 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 2:08:22 You know? And so God in the absolute sense is kind of a, it's pure love, it's this pure awesome, but it's very lonely, you know, proposition. So the idea of the separation is the universe, God, like blasts itself into infinite different things to create the realm of the relative. So now there's, you know, we have this separation, so now we can relate to one. This allows for God to experience itself-

Joe Rogan 2:08:56 Huh

Steve-O 2:08:56 ... which you would never be able to do. You would never be able to have up and down or, you know, like anything. And so it's like the, the whole point is for experience. And-

Joe Rogan 2:09:06 Right, but what's the benefit of experience for God?

Steve-O 2:09:09 To, to know itself.

Joe Rogan 2:09:12 So this is in regards only to human beings or to all animals?

Steve-O 2:09:15 Um, different, uh, like s- the souls... And I go down these fucking rabbit holes, dude. Like, particularly, uh, recently, um, I, uh, did this whole audiobook, a modern English version of a book that was published in 1857 by a French dude named Allan Kardec, who, um... They, it's called The Spirits' Book, and, you know, you've like got all these mediums that he's communicating with and putting together all this like, you know, definitive book on spiritism.

Joe Rogan 2:09:52 Right.

Steve-O 2:09:53 And, um, the, the way that that book describes it is that, uh, animals have souls, but not souls that, um, with like m-moral implications of the growth or... You know, the purpose of our separation and, and, and the purpose of our experience is to have free will, to have the choice to do good or bad or, you know, whatever, but to evolve as a soul where you evolve towards being loving and, you know, like to-

Joe Rogan 2:10:30 Where was he getting this from?

Steve-O 2:10:31 From mediums. From the spirit world.

Joe Rogan 2:10:33 From mediums.

Steve-O 2:10:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:10:34 So the spirit world was telling him this.

Steve-O 2:10:36 Yeah, and like-

Joe Rogan 2:10:37 And-

Steve-O 2:10:37 ... crazy, like, like a lot of, like, like, uh, it's g-

Joe Rogan 2:10:42 The problem with mediums is the problem, the same problem that you have with trans people using the, the bathroom. Some are legit.

Steve-O 2:10:48 [laughs] Sure.

Joe Rogan 2:10:50 And some of them are just not, you know?

Steve-O 2:10:52 Right, right, right. Of course.

Joe Rogan 2:10:53 That, that, that's the issue with anybody saying that they know-

Steve-O 2:10:56 Right, right, right

Joe Rogan 2:10:57 ... exactly why, you know, an- what, what is the difference between the way animals think and behave and humans think and behave.

Steve-O 2:11:03 Well, just I think with animals there's, um, you know, it's, they, they're, like-

Joe Rogan 2:11:09 They're in the wild. They need survival

Steve-O 2:11:10 ... survival.

Joe Rogan 2:11:11 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:11:11 You know? Where like, where humans have kind of a higher level of, like a, a higher bar to meet because we have, like, more, there's more moral implications to the way we conduct our lives.

Joe Rogan 2:11:22 Yeah. Well, we've also figured out shelter, right?

Steve-O 2:11:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:11:26 So n- we're a little bit set. We have doors, and so we're not s- we're separated from the wild world-

Steve-O 2:11:31 Right

Joe Rogan 2:11:31 ... which has all- allowed us to have a lot more time to innovate and think.

Steve-O 2:11:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:11:36 Um, it might be correct.

Steve-O 2:11:38 I think that-

Joe Rogan 2:11:38 But it's just interesting.

Steve-O 2:11:40 It's very interesting.

Joe Rogan 2:11:40 'Cause it's like, the problem is people, like, they buy in to, uh, things as being, like, absolute truth.

Steve-O 2:11:47 Sure.

Joe Rogan 2:11:48 And especially things that are exciting, like spiritual mediums and spirits-

Steve-O 2:11:52 Sure

Joe Rogan 2:11:52 ... and channeling and all that shit.

Steve-O 2:11:55 I, I, w- I think that with the near-death experience, you know, all these thousands of people have had the accounts. There's, um, there's a society of near-death experiencers-

Joe Rogan 2:12:06 Mm

Steve-O 2:12:06 ... like, uh, you know, official, like where, you know-

Joe Rogan 2:12:08 Wonder if any frauds slip in there-

Steve-O 2:12:10 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:12:10 ... with a fake story of almost dying.

Steve-O 2:12:12 I, I don't doubt it.

Joe Rogan 2:12:13 I bet they do, yeah.

Steve-O 2:12:13 I don't doubt it. But the consistency across all of the account, these accounts-

Joe Rogan 2:12:18 Uh-huh

Steve-O 2:12:18 ... it's like, it, it, it kinda, like, lends legitimacy to me, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:12:22 Well, that's the case with the alien abduction experience as well.

Steve-O 2:12:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:12:26 That's a, that's another weird one. It's like I wanna dismiss it out, you know. I haven't had it, so I'm like, "Ah, fuck these people. It's not real."

Steve-O 2:12:33 Sure.

Joe Rogan 2:12:33 But man, it gets weird. It gets real, especially when you go, you read, like, Jacques Vallée's work and you realize this stuff has been going on in the 1700s, 1800s.

Steve-O 2:12:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12:43 They just had a different way of talking about it, 'cause they didn't have the idea that a, a p- physical craft could fly in the sky that's made out of metal.

Steve-O 2:12:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:12:52 To them, that was alien.

Steve-O 2:12:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:12:54 It didn't make... I mean, for lack of a better word. But so they didn't d-describe it that way. But they did describe meeting these creatures and being taken away and waking up in a-

Steve-O 2:13:03 Sucked up in a light.

Joe Rogan 2:13:04 Yeah, things like that. It's like there's so many of those stories. And then the actual stories of people that have been... uh, supposedly abducted that have these stories of these encounters.

Steve-O 2:13:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:13:16 They're oddly similar regardless of where they live in the world-

Steve-O 2:13:20 Yep

Joe Rogan 2:13:20 ... which is real weird.

Steve-O 2:13:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:13:21 And it's one of those things, it's like if d- if it hasn't happened to you, you really wouldn't be able to describe it. Like-

Steve-O 2:13:27 Sure

Joe Rogan 2:13:28 ... and if you di- you wouldn't believe ... And if it did happen to you, you'd be like, "How am I even gonna tell anybody about this?"

Steve-O 2:13:32 Right. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:13:32 'Cause no one else has this experience, so this is gonna be a crazy thing that I'm gonna talk about. Everyone's gonna think I'm a kook.

Steve-O 2:13:38 That's been, that's been a lot of people's experience, I think, up until recently.

Joe Rogan 2:13:42 Sure.

Steve-O 2:13:42 So now, like, with, with the way that people describe the, the life review-

Joe Rogan 2:13:48 Uh-huh

Steve-O 2:13:48 ... you know, and they describe, like, things where they said something nasty, and then, you know, they, they, whatever. They did something, like, you know, hurtful. And in their life review, they are the person. They feel that sorrow.

Joe Rogan 2:14:02 Mm.

Steve-O 2:14:02 And they come back, like, with, like, such a, m- maybe remorse, maybe, like, more, like, heightened compassion.

Joe Rogan 2:14:09 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:14:09 Like less, less interest in material things. And, um, and I just think to myself, oh my God, like, in my life, like, when I was such a fucking nightmare w- with drugs and just sex and all the fucking crazy, you know, just, like, I, I d- I would, did a lot of h- I created a lot of wreckage, you know? I think I was harmful and hurtful. I've been better, but even, like, coming up, I'm, I'm almost 18 years clean and sober. Even in those 18 years I've, you know, I've had a bad temper. I've, like, sort of, you know, whatever.

Joe Rogan 2:14:42 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:14:42 Like, you know, overly in-

Joe Rogan 2:14:44 You're a human being, man.

Steve-O 2:14:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:14:46 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:14:46 The trajectory of my life, I believe, has been much, like, it's upward improvement-

Joe Rogan 2:14:53 Yeah

Steve-O 2:14:53 ... which, which-

Joe Rogan 2:14:53 Good

Steve-O 2:14:53 ... I'm really grateful for. But when I hear about the, these accounts, when, people describing the life review, I think, oh my God, I gotta-

Joe Rogan 2:15:01 You're worried about a comment section in heaven.

Steve-O 2:15:03 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:15:04 That's literally what you're sitting here tweaking out about.

Steve-O 2:15:06 Little bit.

Joe Rogan 2:15:07 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:15:07 Like, a little bit. Like, I wa- you know, I view the remainder of my life as an opportunity, like, a big, gigantic opportunity to stack the good and, uh, you know, like, be, just be, be more ...

Joe Rogan 2:15:19 Well, that's good.

Steve-O 2:15:20 So I'll just go around, like-

Joe Rogan 2:15:21 Look, anything that gives you motivation to be a good person is good.

Steve-O 2:15:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:24 That's great. If that's how you have to do it.

Steve-O 2:15:26 Yeah, I'll keep, like, a big fucking wad of cash in, in my pocket so I can just give 20 bucks to every Uber driver, every homeless person, like, you know? And I think, like, yeah, m- maybe that's just, selfishly I wanna have a better life review. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:15:44 Well, if selfishly wanting to have a better life review makes you be a nicer person, then it's worth it.

Steve-O 2:15:49 100%.

Joe Rogan 2:15:50 Yeah, that's all.

Steve-O 2:15:51 And, and I, I care about that so much.

Joe Rogan 2:15:53 Okay.

Steve-O 2:15:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:54 So you're in your own head a lot, huh?

Steve-O 2:15:55 Yeah, it's, uh, pretty gnarly.

Joe Rogan 2:15:57 Do you have anything else you do that, like, wears you out? Do you do anything physical? Do you do, like, hard workouts that, like, drain you of anxiety and-

Steve-O 2:16:04 I do, uh, you know, I do yoga every day for 30 minutes.

Joe Rogan 2:16:08 Oh, that's good. That's good.

Steve-O 2:16:10 And, and, uh, I got the perfect pushups.

Joe Rogan 2:16:13 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 2:16:13 You ever do those?

Joe Rogan 2:16:14 Sure.

Steve-O 2:16:14 I just got this killer strength machine in, uh, at my house in Tennessee that I haven't been to in fucking two months.

Joe Rogan 2:16:22 Yeah. Um, for a lot of people, that's a relief from anxiety is, like, hard workouts.

Steve-O 2:16:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:16:27 Like this... 'Cause look, there's benefits to having regret because you course correct and you become better.

Steve-O 2:16:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:16:34 But after a while, you can't be thinking about it all the fucking time-

Steve-O 2:16:37 [laughs] Right

Joe Rogan 2:16:37 ... because then what you're doing, you're, you're addicted to self-analysis.

Steve-O 2:16:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:16:41 And there's a lot of people out there addicted to self-analysis.

Steve-O 2:16:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:16:44 There's a lot of people that love going to therapy so they can talk about themselves-

Steve-O 2:16:49 Right

Joe Rogan 2:16:49 ... and talk about their feelings. And some of that is really good for you, and some of that is very beneficial 'cause you could develop tools that could help you manage your life. But there's also people that are just narcissists and just like going to a place where it's all about them for an hour, you know?

Steve-O 2:17:05 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 2:17:06 And, and this is, this is a problem with self-analysis and living in your own head is, uh, 'cause you gotta get outside of your head.

Steve-O 2:17:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17:14 Like, this is the benefit of psychedelics. They get, they get you outside your head, and, you know, and in living in that whole what does everybody think about me-

Steve-O 2:17:22 Right

Joe Rogan 2:17:22 ... let me check. Oh, what do I do? Oh, am I a bad guy? Ha ha ha ha.

Steve-O 2:17:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:17:26 Not good for you, man. And not, it's, it's not just... It's not productive. Like, it doesn't allow you to do the things that you wanna do in life efficiently and effectively.

Steve-O 2:17:37 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 2:17:37 What is it saying you? Sirius listening in?

Steve-O 2:17:39 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:17:40 Why do you have that thing? Get rid of those fucking watches.

Steve-O 2:17:42 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:17:42 Those are ridiculous.

Steve-O 2:17:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17:43 Watch should tell you the fucking time. That's it. Shouldn't be reading emails to you. You have a phone.

Steve-O 2:17:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17:48 Stop.

Steve-O 2:17:49 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:17:49 Stop with all the shit that you carry around with you. It's all s-

Steve-O 2:17:52 Right

Joe Rogan 2:17:53 ... probably addictive to input.

Steve-O 2:17:53 I feel like you're seeing right through me, Joe. Like, uh, I, I do. My, my head is very fucking mean to me, man. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:18:00 Well, um, it also could be the kind of people you surround yourself with. You know, uh, if you're around other people that think more along the lines of, "Look, you gotta have radical self-forgiveness for your past. You gotta let it go. You're not a loser from... You're not the guy who got stuffed into a locker in high school, okay? You gotta let that go."

Steve-O 2:18:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:18:18 And it's hard for people. There's people that were so bullied in high school that they will go to high school as a fucking grown man with children, and they will get anxiety and panic in that same high school because they still associate themselves with who they were back then. And, you know, at a certain point in time, you have to, you have to move on. You know? You have to let it go.

Steve-O 2:18:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:18:39 And, you know, it's good to recognize your f- flaws and wanna improve upon them, up to a point, and then you gotta concentrate on what you're doing and what you enjoy doing-

Steve-O 2:18:51 Right

Joe Rogan 2:18:51 ... and just doing a good job at everything that you do. And one of the things that prevents you from doing a good job at everything you do is constantly being in your own head.

Steve-O 2:18:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:18:59 It can get in the way.

Steve-O 2:19:01 Yep. You know, I, I, I got this, um, [clears throat] I moved out to Tennessee. I got this big property.

Joe Rogan 2:19:07 You out in Nashville?

Steve-O 2:19:08 45 minutes north of Nashville.

Joe Rogan 2:19:10 Okay, so you're out in the woods.

Steve-O 2:19:12 I'm out in the woods. Yeah. All the, you know, fancy, like-

Joe Rogan 2:19:15 Do you ever hear a yee-haw in the middle of the night and get worried, hear shotguns in the distance?

Steve-O 2:19:20 No, but I've got-

Joe Rogan 2:19:21 Da, dun, dun, dun, dun

Steve-O 2:19:21 ... this great neighbors, man. Like, uh, my neighbors-

Joe Rogan 2:19:24 You get lucky

Steve-O 2:19:25 ... my neighbors are so awesome, man.

Joe Rogan 2:19:26 That's cool.

Steve-O 2:19:26 Like, I, I've, I, I got the place in September 2023, so I've been out-

Joe Rogan 2:19:31 How did you choose, uh, that area?

Steve-O 2:19:34 You know what it was? Like, um, I got the, um... I, I, I started hearing about people getting notifications from their insurance companies in LA that their homeowner's policy wouldn't be renewed because of the risk of fires. And I was like, "Dude, I live in the Hollywood Hills. Like, my... It's just a fucking exercise in waiting for my house to burn down. Like, I've got this fucking house is uninsurable." You know? And like, I was like, "Man, I don't wanna be waiting for my house to burn down." I wanted... And, and I wanted to have a bunch of land so I can open up an animal sanctuary, you know? That's my deal.

Joe Rogan 2:20:09 Oh, that's cool.

Steve-O 2:20:11 Yeah. So I knew that I wanted to, to get a place outside of California and, um, j- who, who was... It was, it was supposed to be Corey Saint Hagen against Islam in Nashville, Tennessee, and I was like, "Oh, my fuck." It ended up-

Joe Rogan 2:20:27 They're in different weight classes.

Steve-O 2:20:29 Oh, okay. Wait, no, no, no, no. Okay, yeah, not Islam. Who was-

Joe Rogan 2:20:33 Umar? Umar Nurmagomedov?

Steve-O 2:20:34 Umar. Yeah, Umar.

Joe Rogan 2:20:35 Okay.

Steve-O 2:20:35 Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Um, yeah, good, good catch. Uh, it was supposed to be Umar. Like, uh, I was like, "Oh my God, I gotta be there. Fucking so excited." It ended up being Corey Saint Hagen against Rob Font because-

Joe Rogan 2:20:48 Oh, okay

Steve-O 2:20:48 ... the b- Umar backed out somehow or other.

Joe Rogan 2:20:50 Oh, he got injured?

Steve-O 2:20:51 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20:51 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:20:52 Um, so I'm like, "All right. We're, we're fucking going out to..." So I d- d- I decided that I'm gonna go look at properties in, in Tennessee just for a weekend, and you just... The only motivation was to go for the fights.

Joe Rogan 2:21:07 Oh.

Steve-O 2:21:07 'Cause I fucking love the UFC, man. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:21:09 Oh, that's awesome.

Steve-O 2:21:10 I love the UFC. So I went out there-

Joe Rogan 2:21:12 Good one this weekend coming up.

Steve-O 2:21:13 Yeah, right? The BMF.

Joe Rogan 2:21:14 Yeah, that should be, uh, exciting. Max Holloway-

Steve-O 2:21:17 And Charles Oliveira

Joe Rogan 2:21:18 ... versus Charles Oliveira. That is a great fight.

Steve-O 2:21:20 And dude, the whole fucking card.

Joe Rogan 2:21:22 Uh-huh.

Steve-O 2:21:23 And the, all the way down the prelims.

Joe Rogan 2:21:25 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 2:21:25 Like, get the fuck out of here.

Joe Rogan 2:21:27 Yes.

Steve-O 2:21:27 Some of the names on the prelims.

Joe Rogan 2:21:28 Super solid card. Yeah.

Steve-O 2:21:29 But yeah, so I, I looked at properties. We went down, like, and all around, and when I got to this one, 44 acres, house with the fucking, uh, additional dwelling unit, like apartment on the garage, like, and this trail that goes through the woods in a perfect one-mile loop. They drove us around that trail. I was like, "I got to..." They, they-

Joe Rogan 2:21:49 Oh, that's awesome

Steve-O 2:21:50 ... I'm like, "This place, th- like, the, they can get me for whatever, 'cause I have to have it." [laughs] You know? Like, they, like, they, they're just gonna-

Joe Rogan 2:21:58 Well, it's g- for a guy like you, like, that's probably a great thing to have, too, is just get some peace.

Steve-O 2:22:02 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 2:22:03 Some quiet and, yeah.

Steve-O 2:22:03 When I, when I got out there, I was like, "Oh my God, I'm not, like, chewing on my lip. I'm not-"

Joe Rogan 2:22:08 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:22:08 Like, I can-

Joe Rogan 2:22:08 You're relaxed

Steve-O 2:22:08 ... I can, I can breathe.

Joe Rogan 2:22:09 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:22:10 Now the problem is that I'm, I'm not there very much because I'm always fucking touring and working and chasing and grinding.

Joe Rogan 2:22:16 Listen, that's the... Touring and working is a gift, you know?

Steve-O 2:22:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:22:19 You have the ability to do that. It's way better than wishing you could be touring and working.

Steve-O 2:22:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:22:24 You know?

Steve-O 2:22:24 I mean, that's how, that's how it was when, um, when I started doing comedy. See, I got sober in 2008, right? Up to that p- I was, I was 33, and up to that point, I never thought I was gonna fucking make it to thir- You know?

Joe Rogan 2:22:40 Right.

Steve-O 2:22:40 Like, I was just like, it's just-

Joe Rogan 2:22:41 You were chaos.

Steve-O 2:22:42 Yeah. I was, like, literally just never even imagined... Like, I wasn't worried about saving money. I wasn't worried about... Like, it was just, "Ah, I'm gonna be dead."

Joe Rogan 2:22:50 Right.

Steve-O 2:22:50 And then all of a sudden I got clean and sober, and it's like, "Wow, now I'm s- ceasing to, like, actively kill myself. I'm starting to take care of myself. Maybe I'm gonna be alive for decades to come."

Joe Rogan 2:23:05 Right.

Steve-O 2:23:06 And like, holy shit, like, 2008, like, whatever I had saved at that time was just, you know? Like... And I'm like, "How am I gonna fucking eat if I'm gonna be a- if I'm only, like, less than halfway through my life? I've burned every bridge in my career, and s- you know, they're telling me that if I wanna, like, be, uh, you know, clean and sober and have any kind of a good life, I've gotta deflate my ego. I've gotta practice spiritual principles. How the fuck am I supposed to be Steve-O adv- with a deflated ego and on a spiritual path?" I didn't know if I could continue to have any kind of a career as I knew it. So now I'm like, "How am I gonna eat?" You know? Like, my savings just got blasted, and I started doing comedy. Going to the, like, the Laugh Factory, like, they'd give you, like, 20 bucks. You know? Like, "Sign here," and they'd give you, like, 20 bucks.

Joe Rogan 2:23:58 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 2:23:59 And then, like, uh, when the Jackass 3D came out, I went on The Howard Stern Show, and I'm like, "Howard, I've been in the comedy club every night. I'm having a blast." And just by saying that on Howard Stern, my lawyer called me up, like, in the next week or something. He says, "I've got comedy clubs all over the country calling, trying to book you. Like, what's this about?" And they're offering, like, all this money. I'm like, "Wait, you can make... What? You can make that much money, like, going to a fucking comedy club for a weekend?" Like, holy shit. I'm like, "I gotta fucking figure out how I'm gonna eat for the next, you know, 50 years maybe." So I just fucking started grinding, dude.

Joe Rogan 2:24:37 Yeah, we've talked about this.

Steve-O 2:24:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:24:38 It's, um, uh, you know, I think that anybody who wants to do comedy should do comedy, and there's a weird thing that happens with comedy where it's like there's a lot of gatekeepers. Like, "Oh, what is he doing doing comedy?"

Steve-O 2:24:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:24:49 Which I think is gross. But, uh, yeah. I mean, I'm glad you found something else. But it's just being yourself, you know? You could-

Steve-O 2:24:56 For sure

Joe Rogan 2:24:57 ... you could still be on a spiritual path and still do anything.

Steve-O 2:24:59 Oh, 100%. I've figured that out.

Joe Rogan 2:25:01 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:25:01 I've figured that out completely. And I think that the, the point being that I, like, that in, in 2011, like, Jesus, man. Like, I'd have beenYou know, 52 weeks of the year, like no way that I wasn't like full on fucking engagement for like 45 weeks of that year. You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 2:25:23 That's awesome.

Steve-O 2:25:23 Yeah. And, and just by doing it that much, like the repetition, it's like, "Oh, okay, now like I'm developing a craft." You know?

Joe Rogan 2:25:30 Yeah, if you care about it. If you care about it and you get into it-

Steve-O 2:25:33 I care-

Joe Rogan 2:25:33 ... you'll get better at it.

Steve-O 2:25:34 Dude, I care so much.

Joe Rogan 2:25:35 But it's harder for a guy like you that's already famous to start out because the... You know, some people, they're already famous. Like, I went on the road with Charlie Murphy when he was doing that, and it was like the ballsiest thing ever. Like, Charlie was famous for being on the Chappelle's Show, and then starting out doing comedy. When I went on the road with him, I think he'd only been doing comedy like two years at the time. I'm like, "Man, this is such a ballsy thing to do," because you're... There's so many expectations of you. A, you're Eddie Murphy's brother-

Steve-O 2:26:05 Right

Joe Rogan 2:26:05 ... which is nuts. You, so your brother, one of the greatest of all time, and then on top of that, you're already famous from one of the funniest comedy shows of all time, and you're a beginner-

Steve-O 2:26:14 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:26:14 ... which is wild. You know?

Steve-O 2:26:17 Yeah. It's a blessing and a curse.

Joe Rogan 2:26:19 Mm-hmm.

Steve-O 2:26:20 Because you can sell tickets 'cause people know you, they wanna see you. But-

Joe Rogan 2:26:23 Yeah

Steve-O 2:26:23 ... but you're a-

Joe Rogan 2:26:24 A lot of guys, they get together with other people that can help 'em, you know, formulate an act, maybe help 'em write, help 'em p- piece together, like... Maybe if they're not even writing for you, at least they can help you consolidate your thoughts and, you know-

Steve-O 2:26:36 Right

Joe Rogan 2:26:36 ... put together some... Like, if you're smart, that's the way to do it. Like, hire some people that can help you.

Steve-O 2:26:41 I've never been able to have people write for me.

Joe Rogan 2:26:43 Well, then it's not, it's not necessary. You don't have to. But it's, it's a good idea for like... You're a little bit different than a traditional standup comic-

Steve-O 2:26:50 Right

Joe Rogan 2:26:50 ... though. You have standup comedy, but you also do multimedia stuff-

Steve-O 2:26:53 Right

Joe Rogan 2:26:53 ... and stunts and s- silly things. For s- for people that just... Like, Charlie was just doing comedy.

Steve-O 2:27:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:27:00 You know?

Steve-O 2:27:01 I started out doing that. I would do like, um, a set of standup, and then I would have like a set of sort of repeatable stunts and tricks at the end.

Joe Rogan 2:27:09 Right. This, this is not like Laugh Factory when you're one of the people on the lineup.

Steve-O 2:27:13 Right, right, right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 2:27:13 This is when you're doing your own shows.

Steve-O 2:27:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:27:15 Yeah.

Steve-O 2:27:15 Yeah, that's how the tour began.

Joe Rogan 2:27:17 Oh, that's awesome, man.

Steve-O 2:27:19 But yeah, dude, I'm just fucking stoked. And my, my-

Joe Rogan 2:27:21 You're in a good place. You just gotta get out of your own head.

Steve-O 2:27:23 Yeah. My head terrorizes me a lot.

Joe Rogan 2:27:25 Yeah. You gotta get out of your own head and probably surround yourself more with people that also are not in their own head.

Steve-O 2:27:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:27:31 You know? Because that shit's contagious. Just like being a loser is contagious.

Steve-O 2:27:35 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:27:35 Like, if you're, if you're around people that are losers, like that shit can rub off on you.

Steve-O 2:27:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:27:39 If you're around people that sabotage their life all the time, you're with them, like, ugh, then you're wrapped up in their shit, and you're... Not only are you not progressing, you're regressing. You're, 'cause you're like constantly with this guy who's like fucking his life up all the time.

Steve-O 2:27:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:27:52 Real... You know. Some people have to cut ties. E- just try to surround yourself with, uh, people from your