Joe Rogan Experience #2464 - Priyanka Chopra Jonas

Priyanka Chopra Jonas is an actor, producer, entrepreneur and former Miss World. She stars in the ongoing series “Citadel” and the film “The Bluff,” both streaming on Prime Video. https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0G565KPS4 https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1231899 Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Now This is Taxes. Visit https://turbotax.intuit.com

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Mar 5, 20262h 25mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:02 – 0:51
First-time meeting nerves and what makes the show work
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day.
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [upbeat rock music] I won't lie, I am nervous to talk to you.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Come on.
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Just slightly.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  How can you be nervous?
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
9. JRJoe Rogan
  That's ridiculous.
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Like, I came in slightly intimidated.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Why?
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I actually don't know the answer to that, 'cause we've never met.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So it's not like you've intimidated me, but I just, I'm really, um... I think I, what I really enjoy about your show is just such an eclectic perspective on so many diverse things, and it comes, like, so naturally to you. Um, I really admire that.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, fortunately-
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I don't have anybody pick my guests.
18. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Right.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  So it's all people that I'm actually interested in talking to, so it's easy. It's just stuff that-
20. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Oh, that's nice
21. JRJoe Rogan
  ... stuff that I'm interested in.
22. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Well, thank you for, for picking me. [laughs]
0:51 – 3:55
‘The Bluff’ surprises: ultra-violence, realism, and staying present in choreography
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, my pleasure. I'm excited to talk to you. I r- uh, your movie is fucking crazy. Like-
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It is
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I knew it was a pi- a pirate movie, but I, I just did not expect the ultra-violence.
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, from the beginning I was like-
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... yo. Like, I locked in immediately. I was like, first scene I was like, holy shit. Like, this is crazy.
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Well, thank you. That's a-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  What was that like-
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... good thing, right?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... to feel? I mean, is it... When you're doing something that's that hyper-violent-
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Mm-hmm
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like, is that, does that freak you out at all? Like, you're cutting people open with swords and stabbing them in the neck, and it's like, holy shit.
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  No, when you're doing it, you know, it's like make believe, so it's so much fun to be like, yeah, playing pirates-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... and I'm gonna behead you. But, um, I mean, whe- in moments of, like, scenes and stuff where I actually had to think about what it must have been like to be a female at that time, or... Because they existed. Women, female pirates existed, and we just, we didn't hear many, much about, stories about them. I mean, I heard about Grace O'Malley, maybe, um, there was Mary Read, like a few famous ones.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
18. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Um, Ching Shih, after I did my research. But, like, in those moments you're like, this stuff must have, like, this was real. They lived at a time where it was survival of the fittest. It was barbaric. Um, and I wonder what that must have been like. But besides that, the stunts and stuff, like, I really have so much admiration for the amount of, um, precision it requires to pull that stuff off from so many people, not just the stunt department, but, like, the cameras, because they're also moving in sync with you.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Um, and that's cool. [laughs]
21. JRJoe Rogan
  It is cool.
22. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Is it hard to stay in the moment when all that is happening? Because you have so much coordination and so, there's, there's so much choreography. There's like, he's gonna swing this way, and you're gonna block it, and you're gonna dive do- it was like, it's so complex. Like, these are long, extended fight scenes.
24. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah. We had, like, a lot of oners too, like, full, the whole scene in one shot.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Whoa.
26. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Um, which, Frankie, our director, really loved the idea of, and I honestly love it because it, it brings you into that, that moment is so enriched with everything that you're supposed to feel-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
28. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... between action and cut. So I do love a long oner. Um, but you know I come from Bollywood movies, so we have a lot of choreography, choreography for, like, dance sequences where stories are also moving forward, like, between, you know, your exchange of expression or something's happening somewhere else, you come back. So I treat sort of fight sequences like dancing.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Hm.
30. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It's, you learn the choreography, but that doesn't stop your face from telling the story.
3:55 – 8:14
Training like an action athlete: swords, ambidexterity, and practical sets over VFX
1. JRJoe Rogan
  How much training did you have to do? Like, when you found out that you were gonna take the role-
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... um, how much preparation did you have to do physically to get ready for all that stuff?
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It was a cool year for me because I was filming three jobs which were all action and stunts.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So this movie called Heads of State, which I did for Amazon again, and then Citadel, and this movie. So it was a year of three action-packed jobs. So the, you know, being agile and being in it was already part of what I was doing 'cause that's what I was filming every day, but the swords training was tough, and to be ambidextrous with it as well. Um, so I had, um, my, my stunt coordinator who was doing all three movies with me, she, in between shots, she and I would just take our rubber swords out and do, like, choreography and rehearsals.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  And, but, like, it took at least three or four months of just staying in it and getting loose with it. Also because Karl Urban, my co-actor, had, casual, learned, [laughs] uh, how to do, like, sword fights in The Lord of the Rings.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So he was amazing at it. So I didn't, you know, in that last duel, I didn't want to be any less than, so I kind of went at it.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  No, you looked very good at it. It was really good.
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Thank you.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  So I, I was, like, did you work with some sort of a, like a kendo specialist or, uh, some fencing specialist? Like, how did you learn how to move the sword correctly?
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It wasn't kendo, for sure, and it definitely wasn't fencing. It was uniquely, because the swords were m- our director was very, very excited about the weapons in this movie and wanting to get it really right from the period, whether it was the guns-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Hm
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... that we used or the blades that we used. Um, the machete was one of my favorite weapons in the movie because that's, like, her weapon in the movie 'cause it's practical. Use it for coconuts, use it for skulls, same-same. [laughs] And that was really fun. But, um, our, our, you know, second unit director, Rob Alonzo, had so much experience in, in the amount of work that he's done prior. He came in with a very specific idea of wanting to make the fighting style super unique, and each-Set piece, like a different design of choreography. So, you know, there was one which was in a dark cave, so the only time you saw people was when the gunshot went off, and just different styles of fighting, um, which I thought was really cool.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  So, but did you have, like, a professional trainer that-
18. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yes
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... taught you how to do that?
20. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yes.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  And s- so how would you do it? Would you do it with a real sword? Did you do it with, like-
22. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Well, we had three different kinds of swords. The real sword, like, weighs more than me. It was insane. [laughs] I couldn't do it with a real sword as much. But for filming, and this is the magic of the movies, you know, you have four different weights of it.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
24. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  One is, like, the real sword, where you need it for, like, you know, where it's a close-up or the sword is really, really visible. Um, but when you're doing the big choreography, you have, like, a lighter sword, which is created by the props department, and then another lighter one, and when you need to flip it, it's the lightest one. [laughs]
25. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause I was thinking-
26. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I'm telling you all my secrets
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... all the te- that's good.
28. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's good to know.
30. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  That sucks. [laughs]
8:14 – 9:40
Pirates and the East India Company: how a corporation reshaped nations
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Well, the, the whole history of piracy is so fascinating, and one of the things that the movie is about is this g- the Carl Urban character is from, he was one of the soldiers of the East India Trading Company.
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Then I went on a deep dive on the East India Trading Company.
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  You did.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  That is crazy. When you learn the history of that-
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... one corporation, it was one of the first publicly traded corporations, that essentially was in control of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, went to war with China over opium, and that's how they took over Hong Kong. You're like, "Holy shit." One crazy fucking corporation involved in the slave trade, the opium tra- just a, a corporation, a publicly traded corporation.
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  People could buy stock in it, like one of the first ones, and it just went haywire to the point where it got so big there was a revolt and then the British government took over it and nationalized it. But it's, the whole story is insane.
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  If you think about how much, in their minds, they were able to achieve and how much they were able to destroy, um, in that duration is crazy if you go down history. Um, and-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Changed the course of countries forever
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... human lives forever.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Forever.
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Like, the amount of-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Millions and-
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... pillaging that happened.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
9:40 – 11:54
Indentured servitude and erased identity: the Caribbean’s Indian diaspora
1. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Millions and millions of lives. And this movie actually has a really interesting slice of what they were capable of doing. They utilized pirates in order to, you know, take over new lands, right, and in their conquests. And then, um, when piracy was abolished, they, you know, went after them, and they, they wanted to arrest them, and they vilified the same people that helped them build their entire empire. So this was really interesting because, um, my character's story, her, her parents and her family are indentured servants, which was the truth of many, many people, especially in India, um, where young people were, um, you know, told better opportunities, new lands, more money, um, come with us, and take them off as servants and then drop them in different parts of the world, in islands. And the Caribbean has a huge Indian community, um, whose history started with, um, just being displaced from their lands and, and dropped somewhere else in the world, and then having to figure out what your future looks like. I mean, it still happens to many, many people around the world right now, but, um, I thought it was really interesting that my character came from that and her i- entire identity was erased, taken from her. She had no idea. She was 12, so she had no idea what it meant to have that identity. And I met so many people, actually, when I went to the Cayman, um, who don't know anything about their family tree beyond, like, five generations.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
3. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Or they know where their family may have come from, from Sri Lanka or from India or, you know, um, any other nation, but have no idea what, like, what it was, where, from what village, like, what was your culture. Um, and that ambiguity in, in a history of a human being erases a part of you. It, it, it denies you of, of knowing the depth of your culture or where you come from or your roots. And, um, I thought that was really, really interesting for my character to play and, and then reclaim herself, um, through the journey of the movie.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's a fascinating part of human history.
5. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
11:54 – 15:53
Colonization’s cultural wipeout: Mexico’s lost languages and India’s extreme diversity
1. JRJoe Rogan
  And it's taken place all over the world, and for a lot of cultures, they, they don't have an understanding of exactly what happened before they were colonized.
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, one, one of the great examples is Mexico. I went on a long, deep dive on Mexico recently, over the last few months, 'cause I've had a bunch of-P- people who are, uh, historians who came on the podcast who are just researching these ancient Inca and Mayan sites and-
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Wow
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... talking to them about it. And then I went into it, and it's like there was over 100 different languages that are just lost forever in that whole, what is now called Mexico. And that's the reason why everybody over there speaks Spanish and is Catholic. Like, it's not because that was their language and that was their religion. They were all conquered.
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Absolutely. I mean-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  By, like, 600 guys. That's what's nuts.
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  600 guys in the 1500s came over, took over, you know, what was the Aztec Empire, with help of the people that they were in conflict with, and changed the course of the entire country.
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  From-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's, it's a nuts-
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So many generations
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for forever. Like, to this day, people in Mexico think they speak Spanish and they have a Catholic religion. Well, that's all brought over from Spain. Like, the entire country. They had wild names, too, like Cacao Thunder Sky God, and all these different... Like, almost like Native-
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Really?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... American-type names.
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Wow.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  They looked like Native Americans. I mean, but if you think about it-
18. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I mean-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... doesn't that make sense?
20. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  That makes so much sense.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It, they probably, like, shared land and crops and, like-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, there was no real-
24. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  There were no borders at that time.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  No. Back then, I mean-
26. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... what, what were countries in the 1500s in-
28. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in North America? Like, what was, w- we don't even know. Like, what was North America like?
30. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I mean, I think about how young America is, technically.
15:53 – 22:33
Ancient India’s carved wonders: temples, caves, and ‘holes’ in the historical record
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I wanna go just to see if, if, for many things, but just to see that one immense temple that was carved entirely out of stone-
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Oh, yeah
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... is one of the great mysteries of archeology.
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  But there, there are quite a few if you go, especially so- south of India, and the caves, if you go inside the Andaman and Nicobar, like, the caves, you'll see from thousands and tens and thousands of years ago, um, illustrations that, that you're like, "How, how did this happen? How could this temple have been chiseled?" Or, "How could, you know, these stones have been moved at that time?"
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It's just, it makes you, it made me very, very curious about, like, what kind of tools did we have back then?
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, there's a lot of holes in human history.
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, for sure.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, Graham Hancock has a great quote. He says that we are a, a species with amnesia, and I think that's accurate.
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And I, I think when you find some of the great archeological wonders where, where people just have decided, oh, they built it this way, and then just let it go. And then other people start looking at it and go, "Wait a minute, how? How did they do this?" Like, "When did they do this?"
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, "What's the, what's the historical record of this? Because this is kinda nuts." This seems to indicate, like, a very advanced, sophisticated society.
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, a very advanced civilization. Like, one of the oldest civilizations in the world, along with the Mayans, is the Indus Valley Civilization, which is the north of India.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Um, and I just remember studying about it in school, and that's my, my, my maximum understanding of that civilization, but also, like, having visited the Indus River, I guess. But, um, I remember, like, the, the artifacts that were found and, um, like, if you do a, a deep dive into how that civilization existed and then how it was erased, and w- you know, it makes you question, like, it's, there had to be some seriously advanced, like, scientific, um, understanding that was eventually lost as, you know, as human evolution happened, where we lose a civilization and then comes back again. But it just makes you wonder about early humans and how fascinatingly advanced we would've had to be to do all of that then.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  100%. Yeah, the-
18. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Without the technology and stuff that we have, I mean.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  I think they had technology. I think they had different technology.
20. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I, I, I think so too.
21. JRJoe Rogan
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22. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I think it's, yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  This is crazy.
24. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  This is what I meant. The-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Because the precision and v-
26. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... agenda and Laura caves
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... first of all, there's no, like, understanding of where the stone went. Like, they moved who knows how many-
28. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  And how did you take out-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
30. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... all of those tons of rocks?
22:33 – 28:12
Pyramids, hidden structures, and looted history: Egypt theories and the Koh-i-Noor
1. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Do you know, like, you know, the theories around the, um, Egyptian pyramids, obviously, like, how were those blocks carried up and-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  There's no valid theory. Zero.
3. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  How was it in that shape and so precisely geometrically, you know?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's even more complicated now because there's a, an Italian scientist that we had on recently-
5. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Mm-hmm
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... called Filippo Biondi. Am I saying that right? Biondi? He's, amazing accent, this guy. He's fucking incredible.
7. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Um, but he's using, what is it? Radio Doppler tomography.
9. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Wow.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  So it's, it's a type of satellite imagery that uses some technology to get an, a, a vision of what's under the ground, and they've used this successfully to show known, um, caverns in the ground and known pyramids, and they even used it in Italy to show that they can look through a 1.2 kilometer mountain and see underneath it this particle collider and have an exact dimension of the particle collider and see what the-
11. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Wow
12. JRJoe Rogan
  ... the outl- So they used this on the pyramids-
13. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  And?
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and they found these immense structures under the pyramids that go over a kilometer into the ground with massive, these, these huge 20 di- 20-meter diameter columns that have these huge circular coils wrapped around them. No one knows what the hell they're looking at, but they're in very precise positions. They've done over 200 scans of these things. They don't know what they are. They don't know w- w- what's the purpose of all this, who made this.
15. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Wow.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  So if this turns out to be accurate, and they're very confident that it, they're, that it's accurate, and they're starting to look into it deeper, and they're trying to figure out how to get down in there and, and explore with drones or, or somethingThen the whole thing gets thrown into question because it's preposterous enough that you have someone who's able, able to cut and place 2,300,000 stones that's-
17. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Right
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west. Some of them weigh as much as 80 tons.
19. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Tons, which is insane.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  That are come, that come from 500 miles away through the mountains, no roads. Like, how'd you do it? That's crazy.
21. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  That's crazy in itself.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  But if there's structures underneath that that go a kilometer into the ground and it, like, there's a, a giant, like, huge square at the bottom. They don't know what it is, but these are structures. These are not like something that is just a naturally occurring stone.
23. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, it was man-made and-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Show her an image of it. It's fucking kooky.
25. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So what, is that like how-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  So these are these columns. This is, like, what the images are showing, and the three-dimensional-
27. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  That's wild
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... replication of what they think is ... That's what they think it looks like underneath there. They have no idea what these things are.
29. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  What?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  There's also, um, is that Hawara that has that underground, um, labyrinth? They've, they've also found these, the, this, Herodotus wrote about these labyrinths. There's a great channel on YouTube called UnchartedX-
28:12 – 31:38
Vedas, Vimanas, and myth as memory: ancient ‘technology’ and cycles of time
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the history of India is fascinating, like in the, the Vedic texts and the, the, the, the descriptions of Vimanas. Have you ever read any of that stuff?
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, the Vedas.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Not, and not extensively, but clearly you have.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  The Vimanas are, it's like, what are you talking about? You're talking about flying crafts?
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, what are you-
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  That's the thing. You go, and if you do a deep dive into the mythology of India and the stories that come from there, the kind of technology that has been mentioned in these ancient texts, like the Vimanas you're saying, you have flying objects. You have, um, spears with some sort of energy. You have bows and arrows with some sort of energy that travels beyond time and light. Um, and there's so much of all of this stuff referenced back then, which maybe humans thought was magic but was some form of ancient technology. Like, who's to say? But we do definitely believe, um, in Indian mythology, if you go back into Hinduism and, and the incredible stories that exist. Like, I love to think about where the origin, like where it must have come from.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Um, but there's so many fascinating, fascinating stories from then.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I, I have an opinion that most people that were writing things down back then were trying to document a truth.
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, for sure.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think they were trying to make up stories.
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  No, I think it was definitely their truth.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  But from our perspective now, we have to be like, how do you break down the truth of, you know, that there was this light that arrived from miles and miles away, and it felt like, I don't know, was it a bomb? Like, what was it of-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
18. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... what was it of that time?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
20. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So it's cool to kind of try and interpret that. I mean, I, I believe in the mysticism and the magic of ancient humans and, you know, the beginning of time. There's no way to explain what and how that was. You know, we have the information we do from religious texts and historians of the past, but, um, it's just really fascinating to think about how resilient and human beings have been and how evolutions have had the same problems over time, but we kind of just navigate it through different worlds, you know?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I think, yeah, I think it's hard for us to grasp timelines, and-And then when-
22. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  How would that be impossible? Think about, like, how short a human lifespan used to be-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
24. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... to where it is now. How, the bas- our stories have to come from, like, people telling people stories or documenting them, right?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. Right. And those stories, like, when, when you're talking about certain passages in the Bible or certain passages in any religious text, a lot of those were stories that were just handed down for generations and generations before anybody wrote anything.
26. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  So it's like, what were they trying to remember? Like, when they're talking about flying Vimanas, like, what were they talking about? Like, what did they experience? And how long ago was it? 'Cause I don't think we have a real understanding of how long ago it is.
28. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I mean, 17,000 BC is where, or around that time. That's that many years ago is what they say, but again, who-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  That makes sense
30. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... who knows?
31:38 – 1:05:24
Catastrophe and reset theories: Younger Dryas impacts, extinction evidence, and ‘helped’ evolution
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... there's a guy named Randall Carlson who's been on my podcast a few times, and he's a really fascinating guy. And he's an expert in a- asteroid collisions with Earth.
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Wow.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  He's a, an expert in all the different times that Earth has been slammed by comets and meteors and, and-
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Is that how the dinosaurs-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... were... So it did-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... it was an asteroid.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, they believe so.
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Okay.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It was in the Yucatan, that one. That's the 65 billion years ago one. But there's other ones that are pr- that are before that.
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  More before that.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. And then there's other ones that are after that.
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And one of the more interesting ones is called the Younger Dryas impact theory, and that one's from about 11,800 years ago. And then again, they think somewhere in the 10,000 years, that happened. So there's a t- comet storm that we pass by. I think it's every June and November. I forget what those, the time is. But this is like, also aligns with... Do you know about the Tunguska event? Have you ever heard of that?
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  No.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  In the early 1900s, um, a meteor exploded in the sky above Russia and devastated like a million acres of land. And it was during the same time period. And they realized, like, there's this comet storm that we pass through. Like, when you see meteor showers during-
18. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, yeah
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... the sky, it's because we're passing through these areas of our solar system that have these comets. This is the Tunguska event. So it just... And to this day, that area has no trees on it.
20. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Whoa.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. So it just flattened everything, and it didn't even impact the ground. It blew up in the sky above it. And this was not even a big one. So-
22. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So how does, like, nothing grow again? Like, what-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  I know. That's a good question
24. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... what is that asteroid made of that you can-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
26. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Like, Earth has been able to come back from so much.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. It's a good question.
28. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  That's crazy.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's just, maybe it's just not enough time. I don't know. I mean, 117 years, maybe some, maybe eventually.
30. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah. It needs, like, a millennia.
1:05:24 – 1:09:54
Wildlife reality check: Kenya safaris, predator risk, and influencer recklessness
1. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  That's crazy. I was filming in Africa recently, in Kenya, and we... for this m- Indian movie I'm doing called Varanasi, um, and we shot with wildebeests, and, like, as in, like, in, in the middle of them. I was in... Me and my co-actor Mahesh were in the middle of these wildebeests that were all around us while they were migrating.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Whoa.
3. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It's, like, the coolest thing I've ever seen, but when you see their faces, and for how many years versions of them have existed, you know, you feel the gravity when you, um, see these animals in-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  In the wild
5. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... in the wild.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It's crazy.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  It's so much different than a zoo, right?
9. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Oh, completely.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Because you're like, "Oh, they've always been here like this."
11. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  "This is how-
13. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  This is their home
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... this is what they do."
15. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  We're in it. You, you-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
17. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... feel a sense of, like, stay in your Jeep. [laughs]
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I think we're numb to it because we watch it on film, and so then we get sort of desensitized and normalized to this idea of wildlife. Oh, there's the lion sneaking up on the wildebeest. How cool.
19. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  But when you're there and y- you see a lion or you see a wildebeest, you're like, "This is fucking crazy."
21. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Wow.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, this is all day long, every day, these life forms competing to try to exist and stay alive.
23. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  To survive. That's it, like-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  And there's this weird balance where all of them, you know-
25. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  They still exist.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  They can... There'll be wildebeests right there, and there'll be a lion right here who's eaten, so they're hanging out together. The wildebeest knows that he's eaten. He's not coming after us, and they exist. But at the same time, they're, you know, during hunting season, you see the hunt happen, and I saw a hunt happen, and that's, that's crazy that that's their life.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
29. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Survival.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  With, with their face.
1:09:54 – 1:13:40
Information overload: attention spans, misinformation, and why podcasts still win
1. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I don't know. I mean, I think we are also so desensitized to... There's so much information that comes your way, and misinformation now, where being able to discern what's real and what's not now, that's hard as well.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, it's harder than it's ever been.
3. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Totally. Uh, and then if you do watch something and you're like, "I'm gonna implement in my life," we do it for a very short duration. Very few of us follow through with that, right? Like, you're watching a reel or somebody says something and you're like, "That's really cool." Are we going to pull on that thread, and follow through, and do something about it, or learn from it? I don't know. I feel like we've lost a lot of that, um, space where we had the time or the desire to want to, you know, fulfill ourselves versus just that, that with so much coming at you, you have to be able to-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I think collectively as a society, I think we learn, and then we forget, and then we have to relearn again.
5. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, that's, that's sort of the way it is.
7. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  But the attention span now, where, you know, I remember when I was growing up, like, just having the languidity of time, right? In a, in a, in a very different way, and this is like, say, 30 years ago, 30, 35 years ago, of, um, you know, reading a book, music playing, hanging out with your parents or your friends without being rushed. Just rushed, you know? I, I don't remember feeling as rushed as I do now in the last 20 years, um, when I was growing up. Like, there was time for stuff.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Well, well, certainly the internet has accelerated that, you know? And certainly people's attention spans, um, are at least pulled in the direction of short attention span content. But at the same time, podcasts have emerged-
9. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It's-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... which is interesting.
11. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It's so interesting. Like, I was talking about this to a friend of mine, like, people who have no time or interest in wanting to commit to, like, say, a movie or some, will watch or listen to, like, a podcast for-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
13. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... two or three hours. And for someone like me, who, you know, like, I've been an actor for most of my life, my interface with people would be, you know, an interview. Say, for example, people who knew me or audiences that wanted to know about me, would be an interview, um, where, you know, the highlights are really what you read. The clickbait lines are really what you read, and you form a relationship with whoever this public person is based on those few lines versus this format, where you're just chatting for a few hours, and you have the ability to really be yourself and be seen as yourself, which is why I think people really love podcasts.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I think it's much more illuminating in terms of-
15. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... if you wanna, like, find out who a person really is.
17. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause you can't really hide for three hours. Like, that's who you are.
19. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  And I think for most people, that's scary, right? And so what they like about those fake shows, like Good Morning America or whatever it is.
21. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
22. JRJoe Rogan
  You know what I mean? Like, you're sitting down, you know, the guy's got a piece of paper, so he's got a few-
23. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... questions he's gonna ask you, and they're all gonna be, like, very surface, very jovial. "What's it like to be married?" You know, "What's it like to do this? What's it like to do that? Oh, so you had a baby, congratulations," that kind of shit, and then you're out of there. It's 10 minutes, and you're like, "Oh, that went well," and then nobody knows anything about you.
25. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  It's true, that you're just basically known by the top-... four questions that everybody asks you.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Yeah.
27. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So it's, like, the same four questions that everybody asks.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
29. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Um, and-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  It's what was it like to work with this person?
1:13:40 – 1:19:05
Bollywood vs Hollywood: India’s many film industries and breaking Western stereotypes
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, y- you're fascinating in that you- you've done movies in two different cultures. So, like, I wanted to ask you about that.
2. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, what is the Bollywood scene like? 'Cause I wasn't even aware of it until, like, 20 years ago. I didn't know that, like, Bollywood is, like, this enormous... Like, the amount of films that are produced in India is kind of crazy.
4. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah. Um-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a big business.
6. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Huge.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Huge.
8. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  100 and something years of Indian cinema just recently.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
10. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Um, so a very, very old industry. Um, we started with silent movies and have worked our way now to... And that's not just Bollywood. I'll break that down in a second. Because India is so diverse and we have so many different languages, again, excuse me, I didn't know the exact number, but, um, we have local industries that make movies in those languages. So Bollywood is, um, Bombay. It comes from Bombay. I think that's why it was coined that name, from Hollywood. But, but the Bombay movie industry, again, it was not us that, that... It was a name that was given to us. I don't know by who. But Bollywood is the Hindi language industry which exists in Mumbai, um, which is like LA. It's huge. It's, you know, we make thousands and thousands of movies. But then there is also Telugu, Tamil, um, Punjabi, Malayalam, Marathi, um, Bhojpuri. These are all robust industries that are localized within every state that also exist. So cumulatively, we make thousands and thousands of movies a year, but it's catered to very, very different audiences within the diversity of India.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow. And how many people have come from India, like you, and become stars in Western movies?
12. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I think there have been a few before me, you know, that have, uh, done work-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You're the first one I heard of, so [laughs]
14. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
15. JRJoe Rogan
  No one's made it to me yet.
16. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Well, thank you. Um, yes, I think that it's been few and far in between. I think America is a really hard country to break into, uh, to be relevant in. It's, uh, tough. And also, like, I think Hollywood, um, controls a large part of the global entertainment business. So as an actor from anywhere in the world, if you wanna break into the English language, global entertainment, Hollywood system, um, it's not easy to, to do that. Uh, you know, culturally, it's different. Language is different. Jokes are different.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
18. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Um, so that's a tough transition, but it's also, like, for me, I, I really... I, I went to high school. Oh, by the way, you went to Newton, and I went to Newton, too.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you really? Which-
20. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I went to Newton North, you went to Newton South.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  How crazy is that?
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's funny. That's crazy.
24. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Small world.
26. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, so I was in, I was in high school in the States, and I... You know, so it wasn't, like, alien to me. It's not like I was in India and I was like, "I wanna go to America and start working there." Um, I really wanted to see what it would be like if I came down here. Would there be an opportunity for someone like me to, you know, be able to create an impact? Um, and many years later, I feel like, you know, I'm, I'm on my way there. Uh, but there have been so many actors whose shoulders I've stood on. So Indian, like, Indian casting in English language entertainment, whether it was Hollywood or, you know, British entertainment, wherever, was usually, by us, seen as, you know, a diversity check.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
28. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  So it was mostly a stereotypical actor or a stereotypical character with an actor having to speak in the accent or having to, like-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
30. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... do the-
1:19:05 – 1:32:03
Unexpected overlap: both hosted Fear Factor (and why the gross-outs work)
1. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  You know, I also hosted Fear Factor.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you?
3. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
4. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
5. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yes.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Shut up.
7. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  For one year.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
9. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  I did. Um-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Where?
11. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  In Brazil. In India-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Shut the fuck up. That's crazy
13. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... Fear Factor India. And we shot it in Brazil, in Rio.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
15. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  That's crazy.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  That's nuts. Where did-
17. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  We have such random things in common. [laughs]
18. JRJoe Rogan
  That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in common.
19. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  I need to see that. Let me see that.
21. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs]
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Find a clip.This is hilarious
23. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs] Fear Factor
24. JRJoe Rogan
  What language did you do it in?
25. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Hindi.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
27. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah. Fear Factor India.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  And it was in Rio, huh?
29. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  We shot it in Rio. We had a big budget that year.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  What? [laughs]
1:32:03 – 2:25:08
Parenthood, violence, and the future: protection instincts, war incentives, AI fears, and what matters
1. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, somebody came after my kid, like, what am I capable of? I'd fucking rip your head off, you know? Like, it, it's that... I, I was a new mom at that time when I was filming this movie, and I was very, very aware of that feeling because our daughter had a, you know, she had an intense entry into the world. She was in the NICU for almost three months. And so me and my husband both are very protective of her. And when this movie came across my desk, I was just like, "Man, I understand that feeling for the first time in my life, honestly," that what is a parent capable of doing if somebody came after your kid? Like, imagine you're alone at home at night and you see intruders, and you have your kid at home. Like, what the fuck would you do? You would definitely put yourself... You know, and do whatever you could to make sure that your kid's fine, and it was just that primal e- energy that was my North Star through this whole movie.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  My friend Jim Brewer said it best after he had kids. He goes, "Once I had kids, then I understood murder."
3. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  [laughs] Yeah.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  He goes, 'cause-
5. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Mm
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... the feeling of someone try- Like, normally you'd be like, "Why, what would I need to feel to murder somebody? Like, why would I murder somebody?"
7. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  You're like, "Why would a human being ever..."
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. He goes, "But the feeling of someone trying to harm my kids," he goes, "Oh yeah, I get it." He goes, "I get murder now."
9. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  "I get it." Like, it's in, it's in there. It's just like a door you just-
11. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Ah
12. JRJoe Rogan
  ... open it up.
13. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah. Easy.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, easy.
15. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  You can access that. My mom, when I was a teenager, and pff, I don't know how she raised me, um, but, like, I was a tough teenager. Like, if I... Whatever you wanted me to do, I would do the opposite.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
17. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Just no, and my mom [laughs] would be like, "Come back home at 10:00." I would come home at 12:00, um, just 'cause. So she used to say to me, she's like, "You'll see when you have kids how you'll feel, what worry actually feels like." I mean, my daughter's four, and I'm worried. Like, I-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
19. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... cannot... My husband makes so much fun of me that when I'm not in town, I don't know, and working parents can talk through this, when I'm not in town, like, I'll surround our daughter with, like, multiple people. Nick's definitely around, but the grandparents will be around. Like, there'll be a nanny that'll be around. There'll be, like, multiple people around her just so that I can spy on her [laughs] -
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
21. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  ... and, like, I know what she's doing all day. But-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, so, so you could feel relaxed.
23. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  Yeah, so you, you're traveling and you're like, "Okay, my kid's fine-"
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
25. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  "... and I can go to work." I don't know. My parents were both working parents and, like... And this was at a time where everything was so analog. I used to come back home when the lights turned on on the streets. My parents didn't know where I was.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
27. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  They had no idea.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
29. PJPriyanka Chopra Jonas
  They were like, "Yeah, you're going out to your friends' after school. Come back when the streetlights come on." That w- that used to be my thing.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Most people.

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First-time meeting nerves and what makes the show work

‘The Bluff’ surprises: ultra-violence, realism, and staying present in choreography

Training like an action athlete: swords, ambidexterity, and practical sets over VFX

Pirates and the East India Company: how a corporation reshaped nations

Indentured servitude and erased identity: the Caribbean’s Indian diaspora

Colonization’s cultural wipeout: Mexico’s lost languages and India’s extreme diversity

Ancient India’s carved wonders: temples, caves, and ‘holes’ in the historical record

Pyramids, hidden structures, and looted history: Egypt theories and the Koh-i-Noor

Vedas, Vimanas, and myth as memory: ancient ‘technology’ and cycles of time

Catastrophe and reset theories: Younger Dryas impacts, extinction evidence, and ‘helped’ evolution

Wildlife reality check: Kenya safaris, predator risk, and influencer recklessness

Information overload: attention spans, misinformation, and why podcasts still win

Bollywood vs Hollywood: India’s many film industries and breaking Western stereotypes

Unexpected overlap: both hosted Fear Factor (and why the gross-outs work)

Parenthood, violence, and the future: protection instincts, war incentives, AI fears, and what matters

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