Joe Rogan Experience #2468 - Luke Grimes

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 1:42

   Yellowstone’s breakout success & Taylor Sheridan’s “impossible” workload

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

   2. SPSpeaker0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]

   4. LGLuke Grimes0:12

      This is surreal being here, dude.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Is it?

   6. LGLuke Grimes0:14

      Yeah, I've been listening to the show for years.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      [laughs] Well, I've been watching your show for years.

   8. LGLuke Grimes0:18

      Yeah?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Are we rolling, Jamie? All right, beautiful. I love your fucking show. It's great.

   10. LGLuke Grimes0:22

       Ah, thanks, man.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       It's really awesome, man. Espe- well, I haven't watched Marshals yet. Is it out now?

   12. LGLuke Grimes0:27

       It is.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       When did it come out?

   14. LGLuke Grimes0:28

       Um, M- March 1st.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Oh, okay.

   16. LGLuke Grimes0:30

       So they just had the second episode air.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Damn, I like to binge, man.

   18. LGLuke Grimes0:34

       Yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       I like to wait until-

   20. LGLuke Grimes0:35

       Wait a little bit then

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       ... stay offline. I like to sit down and binge 'em.

   22. LGLuke Grimes0:38

       For sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah, but Yellowstone's fucking awesome. It's such a great show. Did you have any idea it was gonna be what it is?

   24. LGLuke Grimes0:45

       Uh, not, no. I don't think anybody did. I thought it would find an audience, for sure. I mean, Taylor was really, you know, hot at the time. He'd, he'd, he'd been nominated for Oscars and I was kinda, like, surprised he was even writing a television show. He was just, like, so hot in the, the film business.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       How the fuck does that guy even sleep?

   26. LGLuke Grimes1:04

       I don't know, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Does... Where does he have the time? Every time I look in the news or I t- there's a new show that he's doing, a new thing he's doing. It's like, what, how are you doing all this?

   28. LGLuke Grimes1:13

       It's impressive, you know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       It's insane.

   30. LGLuke Grimes1:15

       I feel like, uh, there's a lot of people I've worked with where they do things im- that are impressive, but his is impossible.
3. 1:42 – 3:18

   Westerns as realism: why Unforgiven still sets the bar

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:42

      Who did direct Unforgiven?

   2. LGLuke Grimes1:44

      Clint Eastwood.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:45

      That's the fucking greatest Western movie of all time.

   4. LGLuke Grimes1:47

      It is.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      It's the best.

   6. LGLuke Grimes1:48

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:48

      It's like, y- you know what it, what it was like to me? It was like he was making up for all the silly Westerns, and was like, "Let me show you what it was probably really like."

   8. LGLuke Grimes1:59

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:00

      What it was really like when a man was about to get shot. What it was really like when a dude was a stone cold killer.

   10. LGLuke Grimes2:05

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       What, what was it really, like, the hardships of living back then.

   12. LGLuke Grimes2:09

       Yeah, and it's interesting too, because he starts out kind of a loser.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Yeah.

   14. LGLuke Grimes2:13

       Those first, you know, like, the first three quarters of the movie, he's this sort of timid guy who's lost his power, you know? And then he takes that one s- sip of whiskey-

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       [laughs]

   16. LGLuke Grimes2:23

       ... and it's all over for everybody else. [laughs]

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       [laughs]

   18. LGLuke Grimes2:26

       It's a crazy premise.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       It's such a good movie.

   20. LGLuke Grimes2:28

       Yeah. [laughs]

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       It's such a good fucking movie, man. But yeah, Taylor is a, he's a real freak, and, uh, there's not a lot of humans like him. And it's, his background story is so interesting. You know, like, he was just kinda scrambling around till he was almost, like, 40.

   22. LGLuke Grimes2:42

       Yeah. It's like a real life Rocky-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Yeah

   24. LGLuke Grimes2:45

       ... story or something. Like, rags to riches, the whole, the whole thing.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       I know, man. It's just, I just do- I guess that's why he has so much ambition, 'cause he knows what it's like to be poor.

   26. LGLuke Grimes2:54

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       You know? He knows what it's like to, like, barely make it.

   28. LGLuke Grimes2:57

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       And then all of a sudden he's got a kid on the way, and he's like, "Oh, shit, I gotta buckle down-

   30. LGLuke Grimes3:02

       Yeah
4. 3:18 – 6:00

   Golf, obsession, and time sinks: why Rogan won’t start

   1. LGLuke Grimes3:18

      You know what's weird is he does, he does ha- like, have a good time too. It's not like he doesn't hang out with his family or friends or, you know. That's the, the craziest thing to me, is, like, the guy has a really fun life and is able to do all that. I guess, like, the moral of the story is don't play golf, you know? [laughs]

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:36

      [laughs]

   3. LGLuke Grimes3:36

      Then I'll take up all your time.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:37

      No shit, man.

   5. LGLuke Grimes3:38

      [laughs]

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:39

      Tell that to Jamie. [laughs]

   7. LGLuke Grimes3:40

      If I can get out once a week, it's great.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:42

      Yeah, he's-

   9. LGLuke Grimes3:43

      It's hard

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       ... he's an addict. Jamie's an addict. Well, he's got a simulator back there. He's always whacking golf balls.

   11. LGLuke Grimes3:48

       [laughs]

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       Yeah, all my friends are trying to get me to play. I'm like, "I'm not doing it, man. That's a six-hour commitment, fucking around."

   13. LGLuke Grimes3:53

       No, man. The, the, the amount of time it takes to get good enough that it's not the worst thing ever-

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       Right

   15. LGLuke Grimes3:58

       ... is too much time.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       Right. And my problem is I'm, I'm an addict. Like, when I start doing things, I just start, like, "Okay, I need to play in the PGA." [laughs]

   17. LGLuke Grimes4:08

       Yeah. [laughs]

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       I start, I start going crazy. I'll start getting lessons, and fuck that.

   19. LGLuke Grimes4:12

       Yeah, don't do it. We need your show, man.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Yeah.

   21. LGLuke Grimes4:14

       We need you.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:15

       It's, I've... Well, I'm never doing it.

   23. LGLuke Grimes4:17

       We can do both.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

   25. LGLuke Grimes4:19

       We can try it. We can try it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       [laughs]

   27. LGLuke Grimes4:21

       Try it out.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       No, I know. All my friends who play fucking love it. Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe, they go out every day. It's like, it's too much, man. I can't do it.

   29. LGLuke Grimes4:31

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       Yeah, it's, y- you can't play golf and do what Taylor's doing. That's for damn sure.
5. 6:00 – 8:00

   Balancing acting, music, and fatherhood—touring at 40

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:00

      ... you have music and you have acting. Like, you said, that's gotta be kinda hard to manage.

   2. LGLuke Grimes6:06

      Yeah, it's proving pretty difficult, and having an 18-month-old-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:09

      Oh, that too

   4. LGLuke Grimes6:09

      ... in the mix. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:10

      So no sleep?

   6. LGLuke Grimes6:11

      Uh, yeah, we're, we're getting there. I, I... You know, the, the music thing is sort of... It's kinda nice 'cause there's not a lot of pressure on it. You know, for me, I'm, I, I have a day job, you know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:22

      Right.

   8. LGLuke Grimes6:22

      I have this thing that supports my family, and the music I can do to, like, my passion level, uh, you know, and I d- a- and I wouldn't do it to the point where I'm, like, away from my family too much, you know. So I can... I like making the music. Touring is kinda hard, and it's, and it's also new for me, so learning how to do that at 40 was, uh, kind of interesting. You know, I feel like in my 20s that would've been the most fun ever.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:47

      Yeah.

   10. LGLuke Grimes6:47

       Sleeping on a bus with 12 dudes and just going from city to city and, you know, drinking backstage and playing country music. That would've been a blast, but I'm, you know, I'm too old for... to do that the right way. [laughs]

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       Yeah. When you tour, do you go out, or do you do, like, a weekend and then come back? Or do you just-

   12. LGLuke Grimes7:05

       When you're on a full-blown tour, the, the, the way that it financially works the best is to just stay kind of going. So you're doing, like, three shows, like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 'cause you've got the bus rented, you've got all the equipment rented, you got the guys, you know, on salary. So you just have to keep going. It's actually really hard to- for it to pencil out when you're just doing a show here and there.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Right. Yeah. That's... Stand-up comedy is so much easier in that regard. I've only done one stand-up comedy tour tour. I did it with Charlie Murphy and Jon Heffron. We, we did this Bud Light Maxim tour back in 2007, and we did, like, 22 dates in a month. And so it was like, I would wake up, and I wouldn't know where I was. I'd look at the ceiling. I'm going, "Where the fuck am I?" I don't... I, I would have to think, "Uh, Columbus." You know?

   14. LGLuke Grimes7:56

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       I'd have to, like, go through my head and figure out where I am when I woke up.

6. 8:00 – 9:50

   Stage fright, imposter syndrome, and learning live performance late

   1. LGLuke Grimes8:00

      Was there ever, like, a period of stage fright when you started doing stand-up?

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:04

      Oh, yeah.

   3. LGLuke Grimes8:05

      Really?

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:05

      Yeah, yeah. The first day. I was more f- afraid the first time I got on stage than I was the first time I fought.

   5. LGLuke Grimes8:13

      Whoa.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:13

      It was nuts.

   7. LGLuke Grimes8:14

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:15

      I was like, "Why am I so nervous?" I was like r- I was thinking about chickenin' out. I was thinking about not doing it. [laughs]

   9. LGLuke Grimes8:21

      I do that every time I play a music show, dude.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       [laughs]

   11. LGLuke Grimes8:23

       I'm like, "Can I just call it off?" [laughs]

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       [laughs] Do you still get stage fright right now?

   13. LGLuke Grimes8:28

       Really bad. Well-

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       Really?

   15. LGLuke Grimes8:29

       Well, that's the thing, man. I've, I've... I'd always played music b- and, and when I was playing in bands and playing out, I was the drummer.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Oh.

   17. LGLuke Grimes8:36

       So... But I always wrote songs and stuff, but I never thought... I had never had ambition around, like, "I wanna be the guy in front of the microphone." That was never, you know, the plan. And then, you know, to be able to make an album, which I wanted to do, you have to go stand in front of the microphone, and that's the hard part for me. I love being in the studio. I love writing the songs. I love making the music, recording the music, but there's something about knowing that all these people have shown up and bought a ticket-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       Yeah

   19. LGLuke Grimes8:59

       ... to see you, and you're like, all the sudden this thing starts happening in me where like, they bought a ticket, imposter syndrome, you're not good enough for them to have spent their money. You know, it's just this whole thing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:09

       Yeah.

   21. LGLuke Grimes9:09

       And it's like, "Dude, shut up." I know it's gonna be okay, but it doesn't matter. Every time I still get a little bit of the, you know...

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       I think everybody who's sane gets imposter syndrome.

   23. LGLuke Grimes9:20

       Yeah?

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       Yeah.

   25. LGLuke Grimes9:21

       Okay. Gotcha.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:21

       Everybody that I've talked to that's sane.

   27. LGLuke Grimes9:22

       [laughs]

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       It's like the really kooky ones don't. Like, I don't think Kanye's ever gotten imposter syndrome. [laughs]

   29. LGLuke Grimes9:27

       [laughs] No, dude.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       You know what I'm saying?
7. 9:50 – 12:23

   How Luke got a record deal: grief, risk, and the first shows

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:50

      When did you first get on stage to sing? How old were you?

   2. LGLuke Grimes9:53

      Um, the very first show I played, I was 39.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:58

      Oh my God. [laughs]

   4. LGLuke Grimes10:01

      Yeah. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:01

      Oh. [laughs]

   6. LGLuke Grimes10:01

      Like, I had done karaoke before.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      [laughs]

   8. LGLuke Grimes10:04

      Right? But, uh, you know, I... It kinda came about in the weirdest way. I, I literally was on set one day and get a call out of the blue from this manager, this music manager, uh, Matt Graham, who's a great manager and a really good friend of mine. But he called and said, "Hey, I know you don't know who I am, but I know that you're a musician, and, you know, I, I love Yellowstone. I love you in that show. Would... Is that something that you would wanna take seriously?" And I was like, like, "What does that mean?" He's like, "I bet I could get you a record deal." And I was like, "No, man. That's... No, no, I don't wanna do that." And we talked for two years, and over the course of the two years, I really started to trust him. He sort of, like, explained to me what, you know, what would be required, and long story short, my f- my father passed away somewhere in there, and sort of one of the last things he sort of conveyed to me was like, "If there's anything you wanna do while you're here, do it." You know? And, uh, something about that moment, I was like, "I'm just gonna fucking do it. You know, I don't care. I'm... What's, what's the worst thing that can happen? I'm another actor who made a goofy album."

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:07

      Right.

   10. LGLuke Grimes11:08

       "So what? I got to do it, you know?" Um, so I did, and then immediately it's like, well, now you have to go tour it. Otherwise, you know, they're not gonna put up the money for you to make these things if you don't go sell it, you know? So the tour is sort of to get the music out there and get people buying it. Um, and so yeah, first show, it was in Billings, Montana, for I think it was 1,200 people.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:30

       Whoa.

   12. LGLuke Grimes11:31

       Um, at this place called, I think it was Pub Station.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:33

       What was that like first time doing it? [laughs]

   14. LGLuke Grimes11:35

       Dude, I blacked out, man.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:37

       [laughs]

   16. LGLuke Grimes11:38

       Like, not drinking. Like, I just blacked out on nerves, dude.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       [laughs]

   18. LGLuke Grimes11:42

       Like, it, you know, it started, my knees were shaking, my hands were shaking. This is before I knew about, like, beta blockers or anything like that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       [laughs]

   20. LGLuke Grimes11:49

       And I... The show was over, and I was like, "How, how was... Was that okay? How, how'd that go?" And everybody's, "It was good. You know, it was good. It was fine." The fourth show I ever played was Stagecoach.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       Whoa.

   22. LGLuke Grimes12:02

       Yeah. Um-

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:03

       That's nuts.

   24. LGLuke Grimes12:04

       It was crazy. I mean, it was earlier in the day. It's not like I had, you know, 100,000 people out there, but still, that's a big stage.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       That's a big stage.

   26. LGLuke Grimes12:12

       And, um, yeah. I, so, but, you know, little by little it got somewhat better. I don't black out anymore. I kind of, I know where I'm at, and I'm, I'm there. But, uh, it's still something I deal with.

8. 12:23 – 15:55

   Fame rockets & music-industry ‘vampires’: the Oliver Anthony lesson

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:23

      Oliver Anthony, the first show he ever played live in front of people was like 20,000 people.

   2. LGLuke Grimes12:29

      That's insane. [laughs]

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:29

      It's so nuts. [laughs]

   4. LGLuke Grimes12:30

      That's insane. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:32

      Wasn't it like that? It was huge, right? It was like, it was some... It was a gigantic crowd. I, I don't think I'm exaggerating. Because he got really famous before he ever went on tour.

   6. LGLuke Grimes12:42

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:42

      That one song, Rich Men North of Richmond, that, that song, like in- instantly made him famous.

   8. LGLuke Grimes12:50

      He rode a rocket, dude.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:52

      Pkh.

   10. LGLuke Grimes12:52

       That rarely happens. There's, there's, you know... Few people know that feeling. I've, I, I can't imagine.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       But he, he was freaking out. Like, uh, I became friends with him, like, right when it was happening, 'cause he was, like, a little lost, and he said a bunch of people... I go, "Let's talk." So we got on the phone. Like, it was before he had, you know, he'd gotten a ton of record deals, and all these different people were saying, you know, "Hey, sign with me. We'll give you a X amount of money in advance." I go, "Don't sign nothing."

   12. LGLuke Grimes13:20

       Mm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       And he was like, "Everybody's telling me that I gotta ac- strike while the iron's hot." I go, "No, no, no, no, no." I go, "Dude, you got talent."

   14. LGLuke Grimes13:27

       Mm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       I go, "You got real talent. You're always gonna have talent. It's just a matter of putting in the work, and you're gonna be huge. You don't need these people. These people are all vampires."

   16. LGLuke Grimes13:36

       Mm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:36

       "They're all just trying to suck on your neck. Don't let 'em."

   18. LGLuke Grimes13:39

       [laughs]

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       "Don't let 'em." Thank God he listened, because he was getting offers, like $7 million and shit, and he, he was a fucking heavy equipment salesman, you know? And so then all of a sudden, dude's like, "What the fuck is going on?"

   20. LGLuke Grimes13:50

       [laughs] That's insane. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:51

       One song with him and a guitar, just standing in a field.

   22. LGLuke Grimes13:55

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       And that's all it took.

   24. LGLuke Grimes13:57

       That's amazing. I mean, that's how it should be, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:58

       It's cool.

   26. LGLuke Grimes13:59

       I had the complete opposite story.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:00

       [laughs]

   28. LGLuke Grimes14:00

       My story's not cool at all.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:02

       [laughs] But it's still cool.

   30. LGLuke Grimes14:02

       I'm, like, I'm a successful actor, and I got a record deal for no reason.
9. 15:55 – 22:31

   Rogan’s career zigzags: early UFC, podcast timing, and leaving LA culture

   1. LGLuke Grimes15:55

      Yeah. And with the UFC stuff, too.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      Yeah.

   3. LGLuke Grimes15:56

      That was-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:57

      That, too. That was fun, too.

   5. LGLuke Grimes15:59

      Did you think that would become what it became?

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:01

      No. No. When I first started doing it was in 1997, [clears throat] and it was, uh, in a high school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama, and we had to take a propeller plane to get there. And, uh, it was banned from cable, so you could only watch it on DirecTV. This was UFC 12, and-

   7. LGLuke Grimes16:19

      Wow

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:20

      ... there was no one in the audience, and no one was watching it. And I was already on a TV show. I was on news radio. And the people on news radio, like the actors and the producers, they were like, "What are you doing? You're flying to go do cage fighting?" It, it was almost like I was doing porn. [laughs]

   9. LGLuke Grimes16:34

      [laughs]

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       You know? It's like... Or s- fucking snuff films or something.

   11. LGLuke Grimes16:38

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       It's like, "Dude, you're gonna ruin your life doing this." I was like, "I don't, I don't know what you guys are talking about. This is what I've always wanted to see. I've always wanted to see all the best martial artists of different styles get together. Nobody ever did it. These guys are doing it. I'm gonna go."

   13. LGLuke Grimes16:51

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       I'm like, "This is..."

   15. LGLuke Grimes16:52

       I remember renting the, like, first few from Blockbuster.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       Yeah.

   17. LGLuke Grimes16:56

       Remember that?

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       Yeah.

   19. LGLuke Grimes16:56

       Oh, it was the best. It was like Bloodsport back then.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       Oh, yeah. Oh, it changed my life. I got UFC 2, was the first one. The first one wasn't available. You had to get 2 was the only one, and it was on VHS tape. And I had a buddy of mine who told me about it. He's like, "Dude, you gotta see this thing, man." He goes, "They got these guys, they're fighting in a cage, and this one dude's just choking everybody, and he's wearing a gi." I was like, "Really? What is it?" And then I watched it, and I was like, "Holy shit."

   21. LGLuke Grimes17:22

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       I was hooked, like, right away. I was like, "They fucking did it. They actually did it." 'Cause, like, when I was a kid, everybody thought that what they were... If you did karate, you thought karate was the best. If you thought judo, you thought judo was the best. And nobody really knew what was the most effective martial art, 'cause nobody had ever put together anything like the UFC.

   23. LGLuke Grimes17:40

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:41

       So once it happened, I mean, it was just such a huge part of my life. I was like, "I'm not gonna not do this just 'cause it's bad for my acting career." I'm like, "If my acting career goes away, I, I don't... You know, whatever. I'm only doing this for money anyway. So, like, I'll just figure it out." [laughs]

   25. LGLuke Grimes17:58

       [laughs] You were the only person in LA with that mentality, by the way. That really served you well.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       Well, I wasn't supposed to be in LA, you know? I mean, I only came to LA for money. I, um, the, and I would've moved back. I was living in New York, and, um, I did a show called Hardball, and that got canceled. And the only reason why I stayed is 'cause I got a lease on an apartment.I was fully ready to get out of there. I was like, "I gotta get the fuck out of this place." I hated it. I hated being around actors. I hated being around producers and casting agents. I was like, "These people are so fake." I was used to being around fighters and comedians and pool players.

   27. LGLuke Grimes18:34

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       Like, the, the rawest, funniest, like, o- outcasts of society. Like, those were my people. I was used to, like, cracking jokes with friends, and everybody was, like, busting on each other, and everybody had a great sense of humor, th- just silly weirdos. And then all of a sudden I'm around these people that, like, all had these, like, predetermined things that they thought they should say, so they would say them, you know? And everybody had, like... It was all group think.

   29. LGLuke Grimes19:00

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:00

       It was like, "Ugh, this is fucking horrible."
10. 22:31 – 24:38

    Acting as a craft: childhood movie obsession, set realities, and true masters

    1. LGLuke Grimes22:31

       Right. Which how could you be when... You know, I made the decision that I wanted to be an actor when I was, like, five years old.

    2. JRJoe Rogan22:36

       Really?

    3. LGLuke Grimes22:36

       I didn't know what a- the craft of acting was. My thing, though, honestly, was I loved movies so much, I think I just, because I, I, I liked them more than my life.

    4. JRJoe Rogan22:48

       Mm.

    5. LGLuke Grimes22:48

       You know? I wanted to live in the movie.

    6. JRJoe Rogan22:51

       Right.

    7. LGLuke Grimes22:51

       I didn't know what making them would actually be like. I didn't know what that career looked like. I didn't know what acting was. But I would go to the movie theater and wanna be in it.

    8. JRJoe Rogan23:00

       [laughs]

    9. LGLuke Grimes23:00

       And I'd also see the guy... And I, I don't know, whatever the skill set was, I was like, "Whatever they're doing, I think I can do that. I, I think I have whatever that is." And, you know, thank God I was at least somewhat right or I'd be waiting tables in LA right now.

    10. JRJoe Rogan23:14

        Well, it's a interesting thing, right? Because it's a craft that seems like you're just doing normal life, right? Like, you're, you're pretending, but you're, you're acting and behaving in a way that people do act and behave. Like, that's the key to it. It has to be believable.

    11. LGLuke Grimes23:35

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan23:36

        So most people watch it go, "I can do that."

    13. LGLuke Grimes23:39

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan23:39

        Like, it's, this is normal life. They're ac- just acting like they're in normal life.

    15. LGLuke Grimes23:44

        Right. But what you don't realize is that there's, like, a dude with a beard with a microphone in your face-

    16. JRJoe Rogan23:48

        [laughs]

    17. LGLuke Grimes23:48

        ... and 200 people standing around waiting for you to be done so they-

    18. JRJoe Rogan23:51

        Yeah

    19. LGLuke Grimes23:51

        ... can do their job again.

    20. JRJoe Rogan23:52

        Sipping coffee.

    21. LGLuke Grimes23:53

        Yeah. [laughs]

    22. JRJoe Rogan23:54

        Shaking their head. [laughs]

    23. LGLuke Grimes23:56

        Right at their lot. [laughs]

    24. JRJoe Rogan23:58

        And if you fuck up a line, like, "Oh, Jesus."

    25. LGLuke Grimes24:00

        Yeah. [laughs]

    26. JRJoe Rogan24:01

        "This fucking guy. Fucking unprofessional."

    27. LGLuke Grimes24:03

        [laughs]

    28. JRJoe Rogan24:03

        Yeah.

    29. LGLuke Grimes24:04

        Exactly.

    30. JRJoe Rogan24:04

        Yeah. It's a weird gig, man. It's a weird gig, and it's not what most people think it is. And you can tell that by, like, the masters, the real masters. You know, when you see, like, a Daniel Day Lewis do it, and you're like, "Okay, whatever he's doing, I'm not doing that."
11. 24:38 – 28:39

    Antiheroes and TV’s evolution: Slow Horses, Tony Soprano, and Gandolfini’s intensity

    1. JRJoe Rogan24:38

       You ever watch that show, um, Slow Horses?

    2. LGLuke Grimes24:41

       I love it.

    3. JRJoe Rogan24:41

       Fucking great show, right?

    4. LGLuke Grimes24:43

       Yeah, it's really good.

    5. JRJoe Rogan24:43

       It's a great show. I can't wait for the new season. I've been hooked. Somebody told me about it, and I was a little skeptical at first. I was like, "All right."

    6. LGLuke Grimes24:50

       And you never see, like, a lead, your, your number one-

    7. JRJoe Rogan24:53

       Right

    8. LGLuke Grimes24:53

       ... being, like, a total piece of shit.

    9. JRJoe Rogan24:55

       Right. [laughs]

    10. LGLuke Grimes24:56

        [laughs]

    11. JRJoe Rogan24:56

        Total piece of shit.

    12. LGLuke Grimes24:57

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan24:57

        Except Tony Soprano.

    14. LGLuke Grimes24:58

        There you go. Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan24:59

        Yeah. That, he w- that was a weird show, right? Like, the guy was a murderer and a thief, and you love him.

    16. LGLuke Grimes25:04

        You loved him. He was so good.

    17. JRJoe Rogan25:05

        [blows raspberry] Yeah. There was another guy, Gandolfini, man, that you fucking believed him.

    18. LGLuke Grimes25:12

        And there wasn't acting like that in television yet.

    19. JRJoe Rogan25:15

        No.

    20. LGLuke Grimes25:16

        That was, like, the first of its kind.

    21. JRJoe Rogan25:17

        Yeah.

    22. LGLuke Grimes25:18

        And even within that show, he was doing something no one else was doing.

    23. JRJoe Rogan25:22

        Right.

    24. LGLuke Grimes25:22

        And that's hard to, that's hard to keep up for... You know, you can-- If you do it for a film, you're doing it for a couple months-

    25. JRJoe Rogan25:28

        Yeah

    26. LGLuke Grimes25:28

        ... you know, at that, at that level of intensity. But to do that for seven years, for months and months at a time, is impossible.

    27. JRJoe Rogan25:34

        Well, there was a danger in his eyes, like a real danger. Like, there's something about that dude that, that that dude's got... Or while he was alive, he had demons b- in his brain. Like, you could tell.

    28. LGLuke Grimes25:48

        Right.

    29. JRJoe Rogan25:49

        Like, there was moments, the, these menacing moments where he was, like, threatening someone or doing something. You're like, "That's coming from a real place."

    30. LGLuke Grimes25:57

        Right. [laughs]
12. 28:39 – 34:08

    Vegas as the ‘Death Star’: gambling culture, Dana White stories, and slap fighting critique

    1. LGLuke Grimes28:39

       I'll check it out. Do you like Vegas?

    2. JRJoe Rogan28:42

       I mean, I'm there a lot-

    3. LGLuke Grimes28:43

       Right

    4. JRJoe Rogan28:43

       ... for fights. And when I go, we go to a restaurant, I go play pool, I go to the fights. I don't do anything else.

    5. LGLuke Grimes28:51

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan28:51

       So it's like, for me, it's like, yeah, there's great restaurants, you know, the fights are awesome. I love doing that. So it's like, but there's something about it where I ever, every time I go there, I'm like, "Could I live here?" Like, I was actually talking to my friend Tony Hinchcliffe about it this past weekend. We were just there for the fights. And, um, I was saying, like, "What if a..." I went, 'cause, you know, Kill Tony's this gigantic show now. It's huge. He sells out arenas all over the country with it. It's on Netflix. And I was saying, like, "What if a, a Vegas casino offered you a fucking pile of money? Would you, do you think you could ever live here?" And we were just sitting there, and he's like, "I don't... No."

    7. LGLuke Grimes29:28

       [laughs]

    8. JRJoe Rogan29:28

       "I don't wanna do it."

    9. LGLuke Grimes29:29

       I don't think I could do it either.

    10. JRJoe Rogan29:30

        'Cause I, I think it's like sleeping next to a vampire. Like, even if you know that the vampire's in the other room-

    11. LGLuke Grimes29:37

        [laughs]

    12. JRJoe Rogan29:38

        ... and he's not gonna bite your neck, it's like, he's right there.

    13. LGLuke Grimes29:40

        [laughs]

    14. JRJoe Rogan29:41

        You know? It's like-

    15. LGLuke Grimes29:42

        Yeah, for sure

    16. JRJoe Rogan29:42

        ... I don't think it's good for you.

    17. LGLuke Grimes29:44

        Vegas, to me, is like, you know when you, you have a big night out on a certain type of booze-

    18. JRJoe Rogan29:49

        Mm-hmm

    19. LGLuke Grimes29:49

        ... and you get sick?

    20. JRJoe Rogan29:50

        [laughs]

    21. LGLuke Grimes29:50

        And then, then anytime you drink that booze after that, that, that's Vegas to me.

    22. JRJoe Rogan29:54

        Right. Well, you-

    23. LGLuke Grimes29:54

        Any time I land in Vegas, I'm like, "Ugh."

    24. JRJoe Rogan29:56

        [laughs]

    25. LGLuke Grimes29:56

        I just feel gross, 'cause I remember the last time I was there-

    26. JRJoe Rogan30:00

        Right

    27. LGLuke Grimes30:00

        ... or the first time.

    28. JRJoe Rogan30:01

        Yeah. It's, I think the people that live outside of Vegas, like people live in Henderson and places like that, they love it, 'cause it's really nice out there. Like, you go out to the outskirts of Vegas, there's beautiful neighborhoods and nice communities, and, like, great stores and restaurants and stuff. It's nice. But you're still next to the Death Star.

    29. LGLuke Grimes30:20

        Right.

    30. JRJoe Rogan30:20

        It's like this big neon fucking vacuum just sucking people's money out of them.
13. 34:08 – 44:36

    Building comedy scenes: Austin’s boom, the Mothership, and why talent density matters

    1. JRJoe Rogan34:08

       If I lived in Vegas, I'd live way outside of Vegas, and even then I don't think I could do it. 'Cause we've talked about, um, you know, we have a, a comedy club in town, the Comedy Mothership, and we talked about doing another Mothership somewhere, and the two most likely places that we would be able to do it are New York and Vegas. So we talked about doing one in Vegas, but I was like, man, the only way it would work is I'd, I'd have to be there a lot. Like, we'd have to be there a lot, and we'd have to, you know, we'd have to make sure that it's run right, that it's, like, run with the same vibe that we run it here, where everybody's cool. There's no assholes. Everybody's real friendly and real supportive of new comedians, and then I'd have to spend a lot of time there. I'm like, "I don't wanna do that."

    2. LGLuke Grimes34:51

       Right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:52

       It's just...

    4. LGLuke Grimes34:53

       Wouldn't New York be like returning to where you cut your teeth or something? Is that where you started doing-

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:57

       Yeah, I, I mean, I started in Boston, but I, I did spend a lot of time in New York. Um, New York would be a better option really because there's a lot more talent there.

    6. LGLuke Grimes35:05

       Oh, okay.

    7. JRJoe Rogan35:06

       In, in order to have a really good comedy club, you, you can't y- you can't just start it out... Like, you can't just go, like, to Columbus, Ohio, or Cincinnati or... I guess Columbus has, like, a little bit of a scene. But you would have to have a real scene with, like, real headliners and a l- a, like, top-level talent.

    8. LGLuke Grimes35:23

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       And the way we were able to pull it off in Austin is everybody moved here during the pandemic. Like, me and Tony moved-- Ron White moved here first, and then me and Tony moved here, and then once we started doing shows, we were talking to all our friends in LA, and LA was shut down during the pandemic. And so everybody just kinda moved out here at least temporarily, 'cause comedians are junkies. Like, they wanna go on stage, and, and w- it was taken away from them for a year and a half in LA.

    10. LGLuke Grimes35:50

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:51

        Couldn't perform in, in LA for a year and a half. Made no fucking sense. And out here, we were just doing shows, like, in November of 2020.

    12. LGLuke Grimes35:59

        Wow.

    13. JRJoe Rogan36:00

        Like, it was indoor shows and super spreader shows [laughs] and, and-

    14. LGLuke Grimes36:04

        [laughs]

    15. JRJoe Rogan36:05

        So because of that-

    16. LGLuke Grimes36:06

        Super sp- I forgot about that word

    17. JRJoe Rogan36:07

        ... Tom Segura moved here. Christina Pazsitsky moved here. Tim Dillon moved here. I mean, it's just like ev- Shane Gillis moved here. It was like we had so many, like, national headliners, we could pull off a club.

    18. LGLuke Grimes36:19

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:20

        But you have to have that kinda thing where it's not just the weekends, but you have to have, like, Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows. It just has to be, like, a lot of people around that you-

    20. LGLuke Grimes36:30

        Right

    21. JRJoe Rogan36:30

        ... could have a show with.

    22. LGLuke Grimes36:32

        The infrastructure.

    23. JRJoe Rogan36:33

        Yeah.

    24. LGLuke Grimes36:34

        I randomly lived in Austin during COVID.

    25. JRJoe Rogan36:37

        Oh, really?

    26. LGLuke Grimes36:38

        My wife and I, we got married in November of 2019. She's from Brazil, and I'm from Ohio, so we had no... There was nowhere we were gonna live where it was gonna feel like home. But we, you know, I'd lived in LA for 16 years. I was ready to get out. We wanted to start a family somewhere else, and, uh, we didn't know where to go, so we, we came here in December of 2019, and we had the best two months ever, and then everything shut down, and we're stuck in an apartment, don't know anybody. And, you know, it didn't really get a fair shake. We loved it while it was going, and then, uh, yeah, I, I did about two months of lockdown, couldn't do it anymore, and then we bought an Airstream and just started traveling around, and then I had to be in Montana for work, for Yellowstone, and we parked the Airstream up there and never left.

    27. JRJoe Rogan37:22

        Oh, wow.

    28. LGLuke Grimes37:23

        Yeah, so we've lived in Montana-

    29. JRJoe Rogan37:24

        Montana's fucking awesome.

    30. LGLuke Grimes37:25

        It's the best.
14. 44:36 – 50:28

    Fear, resilience, and losing well: bombing, breakups, and fighters who evolve

    1. LGLuke Grimes44:36

       Man, talk about stage fright. I think that is, that would be the hardest art form.

    2. JRJoe Rogan44:41

       It's scary.

    3. LGLuke Grimes44:41

       Just getting up, you have no help. There's nothing to hide behind.

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:44

       Right.

    5. LGLuke Grimes44:44

       There's no music.

    6. JRJoe Rogan44:45

       Right.

    7. LGLuke Grimes44:45

       There's, like, you know, it's just silence and you and a microphone.

    8. JRJoe Rogan44:49

       You can't just get into your tune and fucking just play-

    9. LGLuke Grimes44:52

       No, yeah

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:52

        ... and close your eyes. [laughs]

    11. LGLuke Grimes44:54

        Yeah. No, there was a, there was a film actually one time that I was attached to, to play a stand-up comedian, and I, I promised the director that if we got our funding and got the green light to go, that I'd go do it. That I'd actually go out and, like, work up 15 minutes and just, you know, do it until I understood what it was like. And that movie fell through, and I was very, very happy about that [laughs] 'cause I didn't want to do it.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:18

        It's hard.

    13. LGLuke Grimes45:19

        I bet, man.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:19

        It's, it's confusing 'cause the people are just talking. You're like, "Why is that hard to do? Everybody talks." You know? Like, everybody could tell a story. Everybody could... And it seems easy to do-

    15. LGLuke Grimes45:31

        No

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:31

        ... until you do it, and then you're like, "Oh, this is..." But I was hooked right away, 'cause ri- I d- I sucked. The first night I did, I bombed. But I was like, I got a couple of laughs on some things, and I was like, "I think I can figure this out." But I was, like I said, I was more scared than when I was fighting. I was more scared before, like, a big fight. Like, it was weird. I was like, "Why am I ner-" Uh, it didn't make any sense.

    17. LGLuke Grimes45:56

        Huh.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:56

        My friend Whitney Cummings explained it to me. She said, "People have this fear of public speaking because in tribal societies back in the day, the only time you spoke in front of a large group of people was when you're being judged because they were gonna kill you."

    19. LGLuke Grimes46:11

        Oh, interesting.

    20. JRJoe Rogan46:12

        Right.

    21. LGLuke Grimes46:12

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan46:13

        Doesn't that make sense?

    23. LGLuke Grimes46:14

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan46:14

        Yeah. So, like, if you're in front of, uh, in front of other people, they're all like, "Ugh, what did he do?"

    25. LGLuke Grimes46:20

        [laughs]

    26. JRJoe Rogan46:20

        You know? So you have to like, "Guys, I didn't steal the tomatoes." [laughs] Like...

    27. LGLuke Grimes46:25

        Yeah. Yeah, I never thought about that.

    28. JRJoe Rogan46:26

        Yeah.

    29. LGLuke Grimes46:26

        That is weird.

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:27

        That's what it is.
15. 50:28 – 1:32:15

    Jiu-jitsu and obsession: levels of mastery, Bourdain’s late start, and street-fight reality

    1. LGLuke Grimes50:28

       I wish I would've started jujitsu when I was small, 'cause I tried, like, you know, late 30s, and I was like... It was kinda like the golf thing, where I was like, well, first of all, it's way cooler than golf. But I was like, "The, the amount of time it's gonna take me until this doesn't feel like being smothered-

    2. JRJoe Rogan50:42

       Yeah

    3. LGLuke Grimes50:42

       ... is gonna be a long time, and I don't know if I have... I sh- I don't know if I can start now." You know what I mean?

    4. JRJoe Rogan50:47

       It takes forever.

    5. LGLuke Grimes50:48

       I'm sure. Yeah, like, it's, how long would it take for, like, a grown person until it, until you actually know what's going on intuitively, and it doesn't feel like chaos? Like how long-

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:58

       Well, there's, there's layers of knowing intuitively. Like, there's guys, like, even as a black belt, there's guys that I could roll with, and I would just get humiliated-

    7. LGLuke Grimes51:09

       Yeah

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:09

       ... 'cause they're just so much better than I am. Like my friend Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there, Abu Dhabi Champion.

    9. LGLuke Grimes51:15

       Oh, cool.

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:15

        He's the greatest of all time, like, and he's 30.

    11. LGLuke Grimes51:17

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:18

        The, the greatest grappler that's ever lived.

    13. LGLuke Grimes51:19

        The guy looks like He-Man.

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:20

        But he's a, he's a freak.

    15. LGLuke Grimes51:21

        He's amazing.

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:21

        But he trains 365 days a year. He does not take breaks off. Christmas, fuck you. It's your birthday, fuck you. Happy Easter, fuck you.

    17. LGLuke Grimes51:32

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:32

        He trains every day, and he trains, like, twice a day, three times a day. It's like, that is the only way to be the greatest. And, you know, and he's obviously a lot bigger than me, but it's not the best example. But he does that to heavyweight black belts, just humiliates them. They have n- he writes down on a piece of paper what he's gonna do to them and hands it to the judges before the fight. So he's like, "I'm gonna triangle this guy."

    19. LGLuke Grimes51:55

        [laughs] That's crazy.

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:56

        And he, and he's doing it to world champions.

    21. LGLuke Grimes51:57

        That's amazing.

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:58

        Like, guys who have been, like, multiple time world champions.

    23. LGLuke Grimes52:01

        Wow.

    24. JRJoe Rogan52:01

        And he's just predicting what he's gonna do, and then he passes on every submission until he can get them in that. Like, he's having fun. He's like, he's playing with his food. You know, so there's levels to stuff. So to be competent in rolling, you could get there in a couple years, depending on how often you train. Like, Bourdain got really serious at 58.

    25. LGLuke Grimes52:21

        Wow.

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:21

        At 58.

    27. LGLuke Grimes52:22

        That's when he started?

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:22

        That's when he started, yeah.

    29. LGLuke Grimes52:24

        Oh.

    30. JRJoe Rogan52:25

        When I first met him, he wasn't training at all. When I first met him, um, he came to the UFC. His wife was really into the UFC, and she was, she had just started doing jujitsu. And, um, she was getting him into the sport, and he really got interested in it, and then she took him to jujitsu classes, and like, "Fuck, this is actually kind of fascinating."
16. 1:32:15 – 1:39:37

    Risk management: contracts, horseback riding, motorcycles, and Montana toughness

    1. LGLuke Grimes1:32:15

       Yeah. Yeah. That, and that's new for me too, you know? I'd, I'd never been in anything that was, like, a massive hit before Yellowstone, and now with this new show, now it's a hit, and I'm the number one on the call sheet, which is very new.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:32:28

       Mm.

    3. LGLuke Grimes1:32:28

       And so I'm like a, you know, I'm an asset to them in a different way. Um, so-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:32:33

       Yeah

    5. LGLuke Grimes1:32:33

       ... it'll be interesting navigating that. See where that goes.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:32:34

       They'll probably try to talk you out of doing jujitsu.

    7. LGLuke Grimes1:32:37

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:32:37

       That'd be funny. So-

    9. LGLuke Grimes1:32:37

       I'd probably have to sign something that I won't. You know, I'm, I'm not allowed to, like, ski. There's a lot of things because of-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:32:42

        Oh, yeah

    11. LGLuke Grimes1:32:42

        ... the insurance.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:32:43

        Yeah.

    13. LGLuke Grimes1:32:43

        Like, if I get hurt and production has to shut down, it's a lot of money for them, so.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:32:48

        Yeah.

    15. LGLuke Grimes1:32:49

        Yeah. So.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:32:49

        That makes sense, yeah.

    17. LGLuke Grimes1:32:50

        I don't know if that's one of them, though. But, like, yeah, skiing.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:32:52

        Don't ask.

    19. LGLuke Grimes1:32:53

        It's funny 'cause horseback riding usually is, and I have to do that for the show. [laughs]

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:32:57

        [laughs] That's the most dangerous.

    21. LGLuke Grimes1:32:58

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:32:59

        Horseback riding scares the shit out of me.

    23. LGLuke Grimes1:33:01

        Dude, I, me too. It was not, it didn't come natural. That's not, like, a thing that I'm naturally good at or had done before Yellowstone.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:33:08

        My oldest daughter did it for a little bit in California, and she fell a couple times, and one time she hurt her wrist really bad, and I was like, "Please stop. Don't do this."

    25. LGLuke Grimes1:33:16

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:33:16

        'Cause she was doing those things where you had to, like, jump over stuff. Like, you know, it was like-

    27. LGLuke Grimes1:33:19

        Oh, that's so dangerous

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:33:20

        ... oh.

    29. LGLuke Grimes1:33:21

        'Cause they stop-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:33:22

        Yeah
17. 1:39:37 – 2:11:10

    Elk hunting as a ‘vitamin’: fitness, gear, satellite tech, and spiritual reset

    1. LGLuke Grimes1:39:37

       Have you hunted in Montana?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:39:38

       Yeah.

    3. LGLuke Grimes1:39:39

       Really?

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:39:39

       Not, uh, not elk. I've, uh, hunted mule deer in Montana and, uh, pheasant that time I went with Bourdain. Um-

    5. LGLuke Grimes1:39:46

       I've never done elk until I moved up there. I started hunting whitetail when I was like 10, like really young, 'cause we have big whitetail in Ohio. And I thought hunting elk would be similar.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:39:56

       No.

    7. LGLuke Grimes1:39:56

       And boy was I mistaken.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:39:57

       Bro, it is ... When, did, were you bow hunting or rifle hunting?

    9. LGLuke Grimes1:40:00

       I've done both, but my first was a bow hunt. And we went out there, we were camping out there, me and the ... I, I just made friends with this, the contractor that built my house in Montana, and he took me. We went public land around Dillon, Montana. And we went for a week, and I had to tap out day four. Like I couldn't, my, my legs stopped working.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:40:18

        [laughs]

    11. LGLuke Grimes1:40:18

        I didn't, I was like, "I didn't know I had, it was like this." So the next year I went, I was like prepared for it, but I didn't-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:40:22

        Yeah

    13. LGLuke Grimes1:40:23

        ... know, man, you really gotta go for it.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:40:24

        Oh, you gotta get in shape.

    15. LGLuke Grimes1:40:25

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:40:26

        I do a lot of shit before September. I do, I, I have this crazy routine that I do on a AirDyne bike. I do these Tabatas on an AirDyne bike where you sprint for 20 seconds.

    17. LGLuke Grimes1:40:37

        Oh, yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:40:38

        You rest for 10, you sprint for 20 seconds.

    19. LGLuke Grimes1:40:39

        The worst.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:40:40

        And all I'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill.

    21. LGLuke Grimes1:40:42

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:40:42

        Getting over a hill to get a shot. I mean, and then I do like box step-ups. I do all these different things with weighted vests and farmer's carries with fucking heavy kettlebells. All I'm doing is just trying to condition my legs.

    23. LGLuke Grimes1:40:55

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:40:55

        You have to. Like those mountains are brutal.

    25. LGLuke Grimes1:40:58

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:40:59

        There's no mountains here for me to practice on.

    27. LGLuke Grimes1:41:01

        Right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:41:01

        But in California I used to run hills with my dog. It was-

    29. LGLuke Grimes1:41:03

        Yeah. And you're at elevation, which makes it even harder.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:41:05

        Oh, yeah. Yeah.
18. 2:11:10 – 2:26:53

    Grizzlies, Bigfoot, and ancient mysteries: from bear terror to Younger Dryas debates

    1. LGLuke Grimes2:11:10

       Have you ever seen a grizzly while you're hunting?

    2. JRJoe Rogan2:11:12

       Yeah, once.

    3. LGLuke Grimes2:11:13

       Really?

    4. JRJoe Rogan2:11:13

       Yeah, in Alberta. Yeah. It was, uh, very scary. And it wasn't a big one. It was like a six-foot bear. But it looked at me so different than any other animal. Like, I've seen a lot of black bear, and black bear look at you like this, like, "Who are you? What are you doing around here?"

    5. LGLuke Grimes2:11:30

       Right.

    6. JRJoe Rogan2:11:30

       "What are you..." They look at you sideways, and they're like, "Uh, I wanna get out of here." Grizzly looks at you like this.

    7. LGLuke Grimes2:11:36

       Oh.

    8. JRJoe Rogan2:11:36

       Like, locks on you.

    9. LGLuke Grimes2:11:37

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan2:11:38

        Like, "Am I gonna eat you?"

    11. LGLuke Grimes2:11:39

        [laughs]

    12. JRJoe Rogan2:11:40

        And, uh, I was with my friend Jen. She's a guide up there. Jen and John, they run a, um, a hunting outfit up in Alberta. And, um, they, uh, uh, as soon as, like, she saw it, she screamed. She screamed like, "Get the fuck out of here." Sh- sh- she racks her shotgun, cracks a stick against the, the, uh, the tree to scare it off, and then we immediately bailed. We're like, "Let's get the fuck out of here."

    13. LGLuke Grimes2:12:04

        Yeah. I've never seen one. Don't want to.

    14. JRJoe Rogan2:12:06

        They see big ones up there sometimes. And, uh, John, um, the, her husband, he sprayed, um, one. He was in a tree stand, and he sprayed it with, uh, pepper spray, and the thing didn't even react.

    15. LGLuke Grimes2:12:20

        [exhales]

    16. JRJoe Rogan2:12:21

        He's like, like, "You think you're gonna... Oh, bear spray. I'm safe." Sh.

    17. LGLuke Grimes2:12:24

        [laughs]

    18. JRJoe Rogan2:12:24

        And it was like, "Fuck you."

    19. LGLuke Grimes2:12:26

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan2:12:26

        It's just, like, this fucking nine-foot bear, this huge wild dog, you know? This h- this fucking immense, super powerful thing that can run 45 miles an hour.

    21. LGLuke Grimes2:12:38

        Oh, man. Apex.

    22. JRJoe Rogan2:12:39

        Fuck that, man. They're s- they're terrifying. Montana's got a ton of them.

    23. LGLuke Grimes2:12:44

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan2:12:44

        Like, a ton of them.

    25. LGLuke Grimes2:12:44

        That's one thing I didn't have in Ohio, is, like, the fear of getting eaten by something when you're out in the woods.

    26. JRJoe Rogan2:12:49

        Oh, yeah.

    27. LGLuke Grimes2:12:49

        And it's dark, and you're walking through. The first time that, that bow hunt I was telling you about, I... You know, you bring a sidearm when you- all you have is a bow in case you do see-

    28. JRJoe Rogan2:12:57

        Mm-hmm

    29. LGLuke Grimes2:12:57

        ... some mountain lion or something, grizzly bear. And my buddy was like, "What do you got on you?" And I was like, "It's a 9mm."

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:13:03

        [laughs]

Episode duration: 2:40:02