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150 min read · 30,000 wordsIntro
Speaker 0:00 [upbeat music]
Special promotion, the dog in-studio, and the “too much content” era
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Joe Rogan 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.
Speaker 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]
Mark Normand 0:13 Yep.
Joe Rogan 0:15 Hey.
Mark Normand 0:15 Hey, Charlie Kirk.
Joe Rogan 0:16 Say hi to the little... No.
Mark Normand 0:18 [laughs] Don't shoot him.
Joe Rogan 0:20 No. No, don't say that. No, don't say that.
Mark Normand 0:22 The dog's a Nazi. All right.
Joe Rogan 0:24 He's gonna sit right here and chill out. What up, dog? New Netflix special, out now.
Mark Normand 0:30 You got that right, fatty.
Joe Rogan 0:31 Let's fucking go.
Mark Normand 0:32 None Too Pleased. Check it out.
Joe Rogan 0:33 Let's fucking go.
Mark Normand 0:33 We, we just hit number five-
Joe Rogan 0:35 Woo
Mark Normand 0:35 ... so I'm trying to get to, to Uno.
Joe Rogan 0:37 Well, maybe this will do it.
Mark Normand 0:38 Hopefully.
Joe Rogan 0:39 Hopefully. I'll put it up on my Instagram when the show runs, too.
Mark Normand 0:42 All right. Thank you, thank you. Everything helps.
Joe Rogan 0:45 It's a, a saturated market.
Mark Normand 0:47 I know. There's 19 comedy specials a day now, YouTube and Hulu and the other thing-
Joe Rogan 0:52 It's not-
Mark Normand 0:52 ... 4chan.
Joe Rogan 0:53 It's not just that. There's like... It, it just, you're competing with content. Like, you think about how many fucking shows there are now. It's kind of nuts.
Mark Normand 1:01 I mean, forget shows. There's shows, there's TikToks, there's Reels, there's Shorts.
Joe Rogan 1:06 It-
Mark Normand 1:06 It never ends
Joe Rogan 1:06 ... never been a time where there's more things to watch and divide your attention.
Mark Normand 1:11 [laughs] I know.
Joe Rogan 1:12 And then, and then there's the war. Yay.
Mark Normand 1:13 [laughs] There's the war, there's-
Joe Rogan 1:15 So much to pay attention to, right, Charlie?
Mark Normand 1:16 ... there's politics, there's OnlyFans.
Joe Rogan 1:18 Damn. So much to pay attention to, buddy.
Mark Normand 1:22 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:23 So much, Charlie.
Mark Normand 1:25 We'll just pretend that's Ari.
Joe Rogan 1:27 Uh, he's back.
Mark Normand 1:28 [laughs] Well, you know Ari always gets too high, and an hour in he just shuts up.
Joe Rogan 1:32 [laughs] Don't fall off the table. Hey.
Mark Normand 1:36 He looks like the Ayatollah now. Have you seen him? He's got the beard.
Joe Rogan 1:38 I know. Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:39 Crazy. And he's gay.
Joe Rogan 1:40 He came to the club the other day. He's gay now, too?
Mark Normand 1:42 [laughs] Yeah, the Ayatollah.
Joe Rogan 1:43 Oh, the new Ayatollah is gay.
Mark Normand 1:44 Yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:45 Is that real?
Mark Normand 1:46 Eh, that's what Trump said.
Joe Rogan 1:47 I think that's Israel.
Mark Normand 1:48 He's never lied. Oh, okay.
Joe Rogan 1:51 [laughs] I think they're just trying to fuck with the guy.
Mark Normand 1:52 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 1:53 'Cause if you get... If you're gay in Iran, they just throw you off a building, right?
Mark Normand 1:56 [laughs] He's gonna have to throw himself off.
Joe Rogan 1:57 You know that was, like, one of the first places or the number one place in the world for transgender surgeries?
Mark Normand 2:03 I heard that.
Joe Rogan 2:03 Because you couldn't be gay.
Mark Normand 2:05 So you'd rather be a woman?
Joe Rogan 2:06 You'd say you have to be a woman.
Mark Normand 2:07 Wow.
Joe Rogan 2:07 You, you gotta get fucked in the ass.
Mark Normand 2:09 That's kind of progressive.
Joe Rogan 2:10 I can't get fucked in the... Well, you can, I guess. They don't check.
Mark Normand 2:12 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:13 But you get fucked in your fake cooter.
Mark Normand 2:14 [laughs] Fake cooter. That's only an Austin bar.
Joe Rogan 2:19 Woo. [laughs]
Mark Normand 2:19 Fake cooter.
Joe Rogan 2:20 It probably will be-
Mark Normand 2:21 Yeah
Joe Rogan 2:21 ... after this.
War footage, ‘surgical strikes,’ and targeting journalists
Mark Normand 2:22 Ah, Iran. I, I mean, they've gotta be terrified. I don't know much about anything, but, uh, I would be scared to fight a country that is having a f- a fist fight on the White House lawn.
Joe Rogan 2:33 Uh-
Mark Normand 2:33 That's how badass and crazy we are. They're like, "We're fighting at the president's house, each other."
Joe Rogan 2:38 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:39 "We're gonna fuck you up."
Joe Rogan 2:40 I'm not thrilled about that.
Mark Normand 2:42 You're gonna be there?
Joe Rogan 2:43 Yeah, I'll be there, but I'm not thrilled about it.
Mark Normand 2:45 Did you see this today?
Joe Rogan 2:45 Doesn't seem like a wise idea. Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:47 Oh.
Joe Rogan 2:48 It looks like they're targeting the fucking reporter.
Mark Normand 2:50 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 2:51 Hey, Charlie. Come here, buddy.
Mark Normand 2:53 Oh, this dog's gonna be a, uh, it's gonna be a whole different show here.
Joe Rogan 2:56 Nah, he'll calm down. He just has to relax. He's never, uh, been with me alone before.
Mark Normand 3:03 Oh.
Joe Rogan 3:03 He's only been with my wife alone, but he loves me. He slept with me last... He sleeps in the bed-
Mark Normand 3:08 Ah, jeez
Joe Rogan 3:08 ... with my daughter, so he slept with me last night.
Mark Normand 3:11 Oh, boy.
Joe Rogan 3:12 You're a little buddy.
Mark Normand 3:14 You, you bitch. That's good.
Joe Rogan 3:15 You're a buddy.
Mark Normand 3:15 We got, we got diversity here. It's a brown dog.
Joe Rogan 3:17 [laughs] Yeah, they, they attacked that reporter, man.
Mark Normand 3:21 Crazy.
Joe Rogan 3:21 It looked... I mean, unless it was a wayward missile-
Mark Normand 3:24 Mm
Joe Rogan 3:24 ... which is like, what happened to precision strikes?
Mark Normand 3:27 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 3:27 I thought they were surgical.
Mark Normand 3:28 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 3:29 Remember they would call them surgical?
Mark Normand 3:30 That's right.
Joe Rogan 3:31 Imagine calling a bomb that's going, like, 5,000 miles an hour surgical.
Mark Normand 3:35 I think they got old equipment over there. They got Atari and shit.
Joe Rogan 3:38 [laughs]
Mark Normand 3:38 They're way behind. But we hit a school. That was on us, I think.
Joe Rogan 3:43 Yeah.
Mark Normand 3:44 Yeah. But anyway-
Joe Rogan 3:44 100%
Mark Normand 3:45 ... even in our other countries we're shooting schools.
Joe Rogan 3:47 Well, the school was, uh, unfortunately al... What is it, Jamie? That's a missile right before it.
Mark Normand 3:51 Whoa. Is that the r-
Joe Rogan 3:52 Whoa
Mark Normand 3:52 ... damn, that's quite a hit.
Joe Rogan 3:55 Whoa, that's nuts.
Mark Normand 3:56 Jesus, God. It looks like LA.
Joe Rogan 3:58 What a... It's crazy that you can capture it. Like, how good are these cameras? Meanwhile-
Mark Normand 4:03 Yeah
Joe Rogan 4:03 ... they couldn't catch that plane flying into the Pentagon.
Mark Normand 4:05 [laughs] That's true.
Joe Rogan 4:07 Right? When you see that thing, that, that thing looks just like a missile, too.
Mark Normand 4:10 Right.
Joe Rogan 4:11 What do you think that was, that plane that hit the Pentagon? It doesn't really look like a plane. Why would they be shooting a missile into a h- a place that's already been hit by missiles?
Mark Normand 4:18 And why is it in Russia?
Joe Rogan 4:20 Oh, that's just the, uh, reporter. Russia-
Mark Normand 4:22 Oh, the-
Joe Rogan 4:22 Russia Today reporter.
Mark Normand 4:24 Oh, got it, got it. Sorry.
Joe Rogan 4:25 Yeah, RT, you know that channel. Oh. I... In Lebanon. Oh, in Lebanon. I wonder if they're t- uh, going after press, 'cause they've gone after press before.
Mark Normand 4:36 Interesting.
Joe Rogan 4:37 Yeah. I mean, they've been accused of shooting press in Gaza.
Mark Normand 4:40 Right.
Joe Rogan 4:41 Yeah.
Mark Normand 4:42 Smart, 'cause they wanna tell their own story.
Joe Rogan 4:44 [laughs] Yeah.
Mark Normand 4:44 They don't want you in there with their, your cameras.
Netanyahu ‘AI cafe’ videos and the problem of believable fakes
Joe Rogan 4:46 Yeah. What do you think about these Netanyahu AI videos?
Mark Normand 4:50 I haven't seen them.
Joe Rogan 4:51 You haven't seen them?
Mark Normand 4:52 No.
Joe Rogan 4:52 Oh, they think he might be dead.
Mark Normand 4:54 What?
Joe Rogan 4:55 Yeah. There's a bunch of AI videos that Israel has released that are, like, clearly AI.
Mark Normand 5:01 What?
Joe Rogan 5:02 Show, show him the one where there's, in the c- the cafe. This one's nuts. Like, this one I would assume that some kid made.
Mark Normand 5:11 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 5:11 He was fucking around on his computer.
Mark Normand 5:13 All right.
Joe Rogan 5:13 Like, I saw it, I was like, "There's no way they're really trying to pass this off as an actual video of Netanyahu at a cafe-
Mark Normand 5:20 Yeah
Joe Rogan 5:20 ... in the middle of the war, like everything is calm and peaceful." Uh, I couldn't tell. Was it that one? Yeah, this one. Well, that's one- Well, that's just a clip ... from a different video. Show the actual- Well, I can't, it said I didn't, um-
Mark Normand 5:30 BB
Joe Rogan 5:30 ... It's on the Israel website, uh, or the Israel Twitter page. Oh, really? Yeah. No, they released it. I didn't know that.
Mark Normand 5:37 Holy moly.
Joe Rogan 5:38 Yeah, it's-
Mark Normand 5:38 He's dead. That's crazy.
Joe Rogan 5:39 Oh, s- well, his brother's dead. His brother got killed in a missile strike.
Mark Normand 5:43 Recently?
Joe Rogan 5:44 Yes.
Mark Normand 5:44 What?
Joe Rogan 5:45 Yes. They, they-
Mark Normand 5:46 What a battle to lose
Joe Rogan 5:46 ... struck his h- Are you just not online? What's going on?
Mark Normand 5:49 I just watch funny shit and goof around.
Drinking reset, club lifestyle, and slipping back into booze
Joe Rogan 5:52 Pour some of that. Let's-
Mark Normand 5:53 I got you, baby
Joe Rogan 5:53 ... let's fucking go. Come on, give me some.
Mark Normand 5:55 Oh, hey, I thought you quit the sauce.
Joe Rogan 5:56 Oh, no, I got back on.
Mark Normand 5:57 Hey.
Joe Rogan 5:59 I'm back.
Mark Normand 5:59 I thought you got, you turned Muslim or something. I didn't know what happened.
Joe Rogan 6:02 Jihad. I'm back.
Mark Normand 6:02 Hell yeah.
Joe Rogan 6:03 Alhamdulillah. P- pour me one.
Mark Normand 6:05 Easy, Zoram.
Joe Rogan 6:07 [laughs]
Mark Normand 6:08 Bodega Cat
Joe Rogan 6:09 Cheers, sir.
Mark Normand 6:10 Cheers. Hey, good to be back
Joe Rogan 6:12 Yeah
Mark Normand 6:12 Without Ari's dead weight-
Joe Rogan 6:14 Mm
Mark Normand 6:14 ... holding us down.
Joe Rogan 6:16 I don't get drunk. Oof. I might piss off this stuff, though. But, uh, I have started drinking again. I took like eight months off. It was a good reset.
Mark Normand 6:23 I mean, I- you're so sure. I'll take a week off, and I'm like limitless.
Joe Rogan 6:27 Yeah. Well, I realized that, uh, because of the club, I was just drinking too much.
Mark Normand 6:31 Right
Joe Rogan 6:32 And I was just tired all the time. Like, and I'd go to work out the next day, I was like, "God, I feel like shit. Why am I doing this to myself?" And then I took eight months off, then I had a glass of wine with dinner. I was like, "Ooh, I like it."
Mark Normand 6:43 Right.
Joe Rogan 6:43 And then I had a margarita, and I was like, "Ooh, I'm back."
Mark Normand 6:45 It's a great time.
Joe Rogan 6:46 This one. So look at this.
Mark Normand 6:47 Oh.
Joe Rogan 6:47 This is AI.
Mark Normand 6:48 That's fake.
Joe Rogan 6:49 Well, people have zoomed in on the, the, um, signs and stuff, and it's not even real writing.
Mark Normand 6:55 Mm.
Joe Rogan 6:55 And he's saying, "Look, I have five fingers."
Mark Normand 6:58 Weird.
Joe Rogan 6:58 He's joking around. You know, because there was an AI video before that people were criticizing 'cause it looked like one of his fingers had grown an extra appendage.
Mark Normand 7:07 Right.
Joe Rogan 7:08 I think that just looked like the crease of his hand, honestly, to me.
Mark Normand 7:11 Yeah. And he, his-
Joe Rogan 7:13 But this looks fake as fuck. First of all, it's weird because he sips out of the cup-
Mark Normand 7:18 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 7:18 ... and yet the cup stays exactly the same level, and no matter where he moves the cup around, it doesn't spill.
Mark Normand 7:26 Right.
Joe Rogan 7:26 Like, there's, there's a moment where he turns the cup, like, almost sideways.
Mark Normand 7:31 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 7:32 Like, it moves way too much for it to not spill at all.
Mark Normand 7:35 And why would he just be doing... It looks like an ad for this coffee shop.
Joe Rogan 7:37 Yeah.
Mark Normand 7:37 He's just hanging out at a coffee shop-
Joe Rogan 7:39 Yeah
Mark Normand 7:39 ... during a war?
Joe Rogan 7:40 All, and al- and also, like, how's everybody so casual?
Mark Normand 7:43 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 7:44 And-
Mark Normand 7:44 He didn't tip though, so that's, that's, the Judaism is coming through
Joe Rogan 7:47 ... Eh.
Mark Normand 7:47 But yeah, no, this is crazy
Joe Rogan 7:48 It also looks like AI. Like, he looks like he's got a beauty filter on. That doesn't look like a human being.
Mark Normand 7:54 Totally. This is silly.
Joe Rogan 7:56 Let me hear what he's saying. What is he saying? Is it in Hebrew?
Guest 7:59 [laughs]
Mark Normand 8:01 Look, everybody's happy to see him.
Joe Rogan 8:18 Yeah. Can you imagine if you were in that coffee shop, and be like, "Please leave. Please leave before the bombs come."
Mark Normand 8:22 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 8:23 "Please leave before they target you."
Mark Normand 8:24 Right.
Joe Rogan 8:25 They're, they're trying to find that guy everywhere he fucking goes.
Mark Normand 8:27 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 8:27 But this-
Mark Normand 8:28 Oh, look at that. See, we got the Ayatollah in there too
Joe Rogan 8:30 [laughs] They, they faked that one. Look at that. They're, they're just showing you-
Mark Normand 8:33 Ah
Joe Rogan 8:33 ... how easy it is.
Mark Normand 8:34 [laughs]
Guest 8:35 Yeah, that's... There's some really good AI platforms now, and to know what they would have that they're not showing is... Who knows?
Mark Normand 8:41 This is silly.
Joe Rogan 8:41 Yeah.
Mark Normand 8:41 He's got... Come on. He can't be dead.
Joe Rogan 8:44 He might be dead. His brother's... See, that's like... Look at this.
Mark Normand 8:46 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 8:47 Like, the coffee, look how turned it is.
Mark Normand 8:50 Right.
Joe Rogan 8:50 But it doesn't spill at all.
Mark Normand 8:52 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 8:52 It just wiggles to the edge. And then they've also shown that, like, on the register, and in some of the signs, the, the writing's not real.
Mark Normand 8:59 Mm. Damn.
Joe Rogan 9:00 It's very, very fucking weird, man.
Mark Normand 9:02 Well, RIP.
Joe Rogan 9:03 Very weird.
Mark Normand 9:04 We'll drink one for, for Yahoo.
Joe Rogan 9:06 Well, he hasn't been seen publicly in over a week.
Mark Normand 9:09 Mm.
Joe Rogan 9:09 So he might be gone.
Mark Normand 9:11 Yeah, there's a lot of crazy shit going on. I can't keep up with the Hormuz. Uh, I don't know what that's about, but-
Joe Rogan 9:16 It's completely closed now. They, they even bombed... Like, the Saudis had another way to move oil out into another direction across the Red Sea, I believe it is.
Mark Normand 9:26 Mm.
Joe Rogan 9:26 And, uh, the, the Iranians bombed that yesterday.
Mark Normand 9:30 Oh, yeah?
Joe Rogan 9:31 Yeah.
Mark Normand 9:31 Woo.
Joe Rogan 9:32 Yeah, it's getting hot, dude. It's, it's fucking scary.
Guest 9:35 He's actually speaking live as we, uh-
Joe Rogan 9:36 Oh. In front of people?
Mark Normand 9:37 Okay. He's alive
Guest 9:38 ... yeah, I guess.
Joe Rogan 9:39 In front of people?
Guest 9:39 I don't know. Just opened Twitter back up and this was there.
Joe Rogan 9:42 I wonder... So if he is alive, I wonder why they would release that clearly AI video. 'Cause that... Like, this looks like a normal human, right?
Mark Normand 9:50 Yeah, kind of. It does-
Joe Rogan 9:51 This doesn't look-
Guest 9:52 They say that privately, but I say it publicly
Mark Normand 9:54 ... it's a little glossy. No
Guest 9:56 ... the world owes a debt of deep indebtedness, deep indebtedness to President Trump for leading this effort to safeguard our future.
Mark Normand 10:08 Mm.
Guest 10:08 Thank you. Well done.
Mark Normand 10:09 I, I-
Joe Rogan 10:10 Man, but this guy's been trying to get war with Iran for decades, man
Mark Normand 10:15 Yeah. Oh yeah, he's loving this
Joe Rogan 10:16 Fucking... And if he's not... By the way, if he's not in war, he's not in office anymore. And then-
Mark Normand 10:21 Ooh
Joe Rogan 10:21 ... and then he gets indicted. Like-
Mark Normand 10:23 Right
Joe Rogan 10:23 ... he's in the middle of at least one case, one corruption case.
Mark Normand 10:29 Mm-hmm. Well, this is his Super Bowl. He's, he's in heaven.
Joe Rogan 10:33 So there's people in the audience, right? So this is real.
Guest 10:35 Well, I, I mean, there's, that, that... They're not, at this angle, it doesn't show them. It's like a static angle, but you can hear people's voices, which, that, you know, if we wanna be-
Joe Rogan 10:43 Oh, they don't show the people?
Guest 10:45 You could say that's fake, but-
Joe Rogan 10:46 Mm. I need to see the people. I need to see somebody hug him.
Mark Normand 10:50 So wait, why, why aren't you guys-
Joe Rogan 10:50 I need to see somebody jerk him off.
Mark Normand 10:52 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 10:53 I wanna know it's real.
Mark Normand 10:54 Let's see that no foreskin.
Joe Rogan 10:55 Do you imagine if they did show that, they'd just show him just blasting, like, 12-foot arcs.
Mark Normand 11:00 [laughs] Of rope.
Joe Rogan 11:02 [laughs]
Mark Normand 11:02 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 11:03 Just fire hose of jizz-
Mark Normand 11:05 Oh, yeah
Joe Rogan 11:05 ... to show how v- virile he is.
Mark Normand 11:07 Man of Chevits.
Joe Rogan 11:08 Yeah.
White House lawn fight card logistics + politicians should fight instead
Mark Normand 11:08 Now, why are you not, why are you not looking forward to the White House fight?
Joe Rogan 11:12 Um, well, it's kind of a gimmick, you know?
Mark Normand 11:14 Of course.
Joe Rogan 11:16 There's that. And, you know, people are criticizing the card, but if it was any other card, it's a great card.
Mark Normand 11:21 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 11:22 It just, they're criticizing it 'cause they said it was gonna be the greatest card of all time. And it's also, it's just gonna be a security nightmare.
Mark Normand 11:28 That's true.
Joe Rogan 11:29 You're on the White House lawn. Also, they're fighting outside. What if it rains? What if it's hot?
Mark Normand 11:33 Mm.
Joe Rogan 11:34 You're in the middle of June.
Mark Normand 11:35 Right.
Joe Rogan 11:35 June in DC can get pretty warm.
Mark Normand 11:37 Yep, yep.
Joe Rogan 11:38 That, that affects fighters. Like, we only did one outside fight that I was a part of, and that was in Abu Dhabi, and it was a nightmare.
Mark Normand 11:46 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 11:46 It, it was really hot, and there was bugs flying around that were si- of f- size of fucking birds.
Mark Normand 11:51 Oof.
Joe Rogan 11:52 It was crazy.
Mark Normand 11:53 It's like stand-up.
Joe Rogan 11:54 Yeah.
Mark Normand 11:54 You, you gotta do it indoors.
Joe Rogan 11:55 100%.
Mark Normand 11:56 Outside is hell-
Joe Rogan 11:57 Yeah
Mark Normand 11:57 ... for stand-up.
Joe Rogan 11:57 Yeah, it's terrible. Terrible.
Mark Normand 11:59 Yeah. Most shows are bad outside. But here's my idea. We do White House fight, but we fight politicians.
Joe Rogan 12:04 Mm.
Mark Normand 12:05 Huh? Get Boebert versus AOC.
Joe Rogan 12:07 Ooh.
Mark Normand 12:07 Now that's a fight
Joe Rogan 12:08 I like that
Mark Normand 12:09 But I think, I think, uh, RFK would win everything.
Joe Rogan 12:11 I think Jasmine Crockett whoops them all.
Mark Normand 12:13 Oh yeah, she's feisty.
Joe Rogan 12:15 Yeah.
Mark Normand 12:15 She'd take a, a shoe off.
Joe Rogan 12:16 She pulls the wig off-
Mark Normand 12:17 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 12:17 ... stuffs it in your mouth.
Mark Normand 12:18 [laughs] When a black lady-
Joe Rogan 12:19 You can't breathe
Mark Normand 12:20 ... takes her earrings off-
Joe Rogan 12:21 [laughs]
Mark Normand 12:21 ... I'm terrified.
Joe Rogan 12:22 Well, she's not a politician anymore. She lost, right?
Mark Normand 12:25 Yeah, but she'll be around.
Joe Rogan 12:26 Maybe.
Mark Normand 12:26 They never leave.
Joe Rogan 12:28 Maybe.
Mark Normand 12:28 They go forever, these guys.
Joe Rogan 12:30 Maybe.
Mark Normand 12:30 Bernie's still cooking.
Joe Rogan 12:32 Yeah, but he's a senator.
Mark Normand 12:33 Oh, that's true.
Joe Rogan 12:33 He's been a senator forever.
Mark Normand 12:34 That's true.
Joe Rogan 12:34 I mean, she, she's lost, so who knows what's gonna happen now.
Clintons, Epstein, ‘body count’ lore, and who’s culpable
Mark Normand 12:38 But Hillary's around. What is she doing?
Joe Rogan 12:40 She's, uh, probably eating pussy.
Mark Normand 12:43 Ah.
Joe Rogan 12:44 You think?
Mark Normand 12:45 I hope. I mean, she needs-
Joe Rogan 12:46 [laughs]
Mark Normand 12:46 ... a relief. This gu- this lady's... I kinda like Hillary just 'cause she's, you know, she got cheated on publicly with the Monica thing, now she's doing the Epstein's Island stuff. She lost the presidential race, and she's still out there. She's kind of a badass. I would kill myself at this point.
Joe Rogan 13:03 Well, she's also got, like, a list of people that have mysteriously disappeared-
Mark Normand 13:08 Oh, is that right?
Joe Rogan 13:08 ... that are attached to her and Bill.
Mark Normand 13:11 Oh, really?
Joe Rogan 13:11 Yeah, you don't know about that?
Mark Normand 13:12 No.
Joe Rogan 13:14 For real?
Mark Normand 13:14 I know-
Joe Rogan 13:15 You don't know about the Clinton body count?
Mark Normand 13:16 I know Norm was on The View years ago, and he said Clinton killed a guy.
Joe Rogan 13:20 Yeah, he said he killed a bunch of people, I think.
Mark Normand 13:22 That's where I get my information.
Joe Rogan 13:23 [laughs] It's a good way to get it, from The View.
Mark Normand 13:25 [laughs] But, uh-
Joe Rogan 13:25 Super solid, detailed information.
Mark Normand 13:27 But she's getting, like, grilled by the Epstein people, or about Epstein-
Joe Rogan 13:31 Yeah
Mark Normand 13:31 ... and she's just, like, going off. And Bill's reminiscing.
Joe Rogan 13:35 Well, she walked... She stormed out because, uh, Lauren Boebert took a picture of her-
Mark Normand 13:39 Oh
Joe Rogan 13:40 ... and posted it online. Like, "That's it. I'm leaving."
Mark Normand 13:43 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 13:44 Like, how are you allowed to leave?
Mark Normand 13:46 Yeah, exactly.
Joe Rogan 13:46 'Cause somebody took a picture. Sit the fuck down.
Mark Normand 13:49 Right.
Joe Rogan 13:49 You're not even in office anymore. You're just a civilian.
Mark Normand 13:52 That's crazy.
Joe Rogan 13:52 Sit your fucking ass down and answer the questions.
Mark Normand 13:54 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 13:55 Like, it's just an excuse to leave.
Mark Normand 13:57 But you gotta hand to Bill. He's denying till he dies. Like, he will-
Joe Rogan 13:59 "Hey, I did nothing. I was, uh, only there for humanitarian purposes."
Mark Normand 14:04 [laughs] We got photos and everything.
Joe Rogan 14:05 "I was just getting massages and hugging nice people."
Mark Normand 14:09 [laughs] Exactly.
Joe Rogan 14:10 "Nothing untoward was done to me or anyone else that was there as far as I know."
Mark Normand 14:17 [laughs] Yeah. This is pretty good.
Joe Rogan 14:18 "I didn't see that side of Jeffrey Epstein."
Mark Normand 14:21 [laughs] You gotta bring this back.
Joe Rogan 14:23 Hey. [laughs] Look at-
Mark Normand 14:27 Look at this guy. We got photo evidence.
Joe Rogan 14:28 I got a little... That lady's smiling. If she claims victim, I call horseshit.
Mark Normand 14:31 Nah.
Joe Rogan 14:32 She looks like she's having a good time. Also, that's a woman, you know?
Mark Normand 14:35 That's true.
Joe Rogan 14:35 It's like, once you're a woman, okay, you know, unless someone's holding a gun to your head... If we're talking about children, we're talking about a different thing, but there's a lot of these ladies that were grown women-
Mark Normand 14:47 Mm
Joe Rogan 14:47 ... when they were doing this, and the emails that were exchanged between Epstein and these women, like, they were well aware of what's going on, at least some of them were. There was this Russian lady who was talking... She was recruiting girls.
Mark Normand 14:59 Mm.
Joe Rogan 14:59 She was saying, "This one's, this one's a fat ass."
Mark Normand 15:02 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 15:02 "She needs to lose some weight." Like, she's trying to get these girls to work with Epstein.
Mark Normand 15:06 Right. Who? Ghislaine?
Joe Rogan 15:08 No, it wasn't Ghislaine. It was some other Russian lady.
Mark Normand 15:11 Oh, damn.
Joe Rogan 15:12 It... Like, these... Some of these ladies at least were in... Like, look, the real criticism, the real legitimate criticism is, were there underage girls involved? Now, clearly they were in Epstein's past.
Mark Normand 15:25 Mm.
Joe Rogan 15:26 He went, he went to jail for it. The whole Palm Beach thing-
Mark Normand 15:28 Yeah
Joe Rogan 15:28 ... with the underage masseuses. But some of these are just ladies-
Mark Normand 15:34 Mm
Joe Rogan 15:34 ... who did bad things. They made bad decisions, and they probably wound up on that island for money.
Mark Normand 15:40 Yeah. Okay. Couple of whore moos.
Joe Rogan 15:43 Oh, hey, where you going, buddy? Charlie?
Speaker 15:45 Bye, buddy.
Joe Rogan 15:45 He snuck out, little fucker.
Speaker 15:48 Hi.
Joe Rogan 15:48 I'm a little worried about-
Speaker 15:49 Come here.
Joe Rogan 15:49 I was har- hoping... He looked like he was totally calm just sitting in that chair. Oh, Jamie's got him now.
Speaker 15:55 How you doing?
Joe Rogan 15:55 Bro, you're locked up.
Mark Normand 15:57 Oh.
Joe Rogan 15:57 Jamie's used to having a little dog, and he's like... Oh, he's giving you kisses.
Speaker 16:01 I can see.
Mark Normand 16:01 Damn, not a Rogan fan, huh?
Speaker 16:03 No.
Mark Normand 16:03 Doesn't like the pod. He's bored.
Joe Rogan 16:04 No, he just, he's just, doesn't know this environment.
Mark Normand 16:07 Sure.
Joe Rogan 16:07 I think he's a little weirded out. And then he was out there with the mountain lion, stuffed mountain lion-
Mark Normand 16:11 [laughs] That's true
Joe Rogan 16:12 ... and the alligators, like, and the f- werewolf. He's like, "What the fuck is this place?"
Mark Normand 16:15 Right.
Joe Rogan 16:15 He's never been here before.
Mark Normand 16:16 Then there's weed smoke, there's dogs-
Joe Rogan 16:18 I think he's a little weirded out
Mark Normand 16:19 ... the scent. Yeah, I get it.
Joe Rogan 16:19 The cigars.
Mark Normand 16:20 Right.
Joe Rogan 16:21 Everything. Whiskey in here. He probably smells that.
Cigars, reality TV, and why true crime dominates women’s media
Mark Normand 16:24 Speaking of which-
Joe Rogan 16:24 Yeah
Mark Normand 16:24 ... have you got any of those Stogies?
Joe Rogan 16:26 Yeah, let's bust them out.
Mark Normand 16:27 I would love a Stogie.
Joe Rogan 16:28 Let's go.
Mark Normand 16:29 Hell yeah.
Joe Rogan 16:30 Let's go.
Mark Normand 16:30 Boy, I... See, I can't keep up with all the news. You know about Epstein, you know about Iran, you know about Israel, you know about Hillary. This is, uh-
Joe Rogan 16:38 Yeah. I barely know. I'm off, uh, social media. I've been off social media for a while. The only time I'm on is when someone sends me something funny.
Mark Normand 16:46 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 16:46 And then I go and check it, and then, uh, I find myself scrolling for, like, 30 seconds, and I go, "Stop."
Mark Normand 16:51 That's how they get you.
Joe Rogan 16:52 "Stop fucking scrolling."
Mark Normand 16:53 It's impossible.
Joe Rogan 16:54 Um, these-
Mark Normand 16:55 They're so good at it
Joe Rogan 16:56 ... these say Knuckle Sandwich. Where did these come from?
Mark Normand 16:59 Hmm.
Joe Rogan 17:00 Knuckle Sandwich is, uh... That can't be the same place, 'cause there's a... Isn't there a place? There's Knuckle Sandwich, which is the sandwich truck in Austin, which is awesome.
Mark Normand 17:13 And it's Chris Brown's album.
Joe Rogan 17:14 Hey. Ga, ga, ga, ga, ga.
Speaker 17:17 Guy Fieri cigars.
Joe Rogan 17:18 Oh, these are Guy Fieri cigars. All right, let's hope they're good.
Mark Normand 17:21 Did you see that Bachelorette who got kicked off for beating the shit out of her husband?
Joe Rogan 17:25 Yo.
Mark Normand 17:25 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 17:26 For real?
Mark Normand 17:26 My wife-
Joe Rogan 17:27 On the show?
Mark Normand 17:27 My wife's a big, uh, reality lady.
Joe Rogan 17:30 Oh.
Mark Normand 17:30 And, uh-
Joe Rogan 17:31 That's healthy.
Mark Normand 17:32 I know, right?
Joe Rogan 17:32 [laughs]
Mark Normand 17:33 She loves it, all of those.
Joe Rogan 17:34 That's good.
Mark Normand 17:34 90 Day Fiancé.
Joe Rogan 17:35 Chicks love that shit.
Mark Normand 17:36 They love it, that and true crime.
Joe Rogan 17:38 Yes. Right?
Mark Normand 17:39 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 17:39 Isn't it weird?
Mark Normand 17:40 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 17:40 I get the true crime because they don't really commit those kind of violent acts-
Mark Normand 17:45 Mm
Joe Rogan 17:45 ... so they probably need to understand, like, the male mind.
Mark Normand 17:48 Right, right.
Joe Rogan 17:48 That makes sense to me.
Mark Normand 17:50 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 17:50 But what I don't understand is the-
Mark Normand 17:51 Thank you
Joe Rogan 17:52 ... I, I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm just-
Mark Normand 17:55 You
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Mark Normand 19:02 Well, they say it's biological. They're like, "Oh, I'm learning how to avoid these-"
Joe Rogan 19:06 Yeah
Mark Normand 19:06 ... scary moments.
Joe Rogan 19:06 No, I get that because it is. Like, my daughters, young daughters, they all love it.
Mark Normand 19:11 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 19:11 Everyone loves it. Their friends love it.
Mark Normand 19:13 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 19:13 It's like the number one show with ladies.
Mark Normand 19:15 Oh, yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 19:16 Like, the number one podcast with ladies is true crime.
Mark Normand 19:21 It's great.
Joe Rogan 19:21 You know what the number two show for ladies is?
Mark Normand 19:23 What?
Joe Rogan 19:24 You're on it.
Mark Normand 19:25 Hey, get out of here.
Joe Rogan 19:26 Yeah.
Mark Normand 19:26 Really?
Joe Rogan 19:27 Number one with Black people, too. Holla.
Mark Normand 19:28 Hey.
Joe Rogan 19:30 Holla.
Mark Normand 19:30 Take that, Shay Shay.
Joe Rogan 19:31 Holla.
Mark Normand 19:35 All right.
Joe Rogan 19:36 Shout out to all, all my African American friends.
Mark Normand 19:38 Hell yeah.
Joe Rogan 19:39 Let's fucking go. These are not bad. Guy Fieri.
Mark Normand 19:42 Aw.
Joe Rogan 19:42 Let's go, Guy.
Mark Normand 19:43 I love Guy.
Joe Rogan 19:46 He's a fun dude.
Mark Normand 19:47 Cool dude.
Joe Rogan 19:48 Got a bunch of yellow cars, though. That's odd.
Mark Normand 19:50 Yeah. Yeah, he- well he- not the, not the best, uh, fashion sense. You know, shirts with flames on it, frosted tips.
Joe Rogan 19:57 Yeah, but you're paying attention, right?
Mark Normand 19:58 [laughs] That's true. He's got me.
Joe Rogan 19:59 Like, if you wanna be a s- a chef and you wanna be, like, a celebrity chef, you gotta either be a great narrator and a great writer like Bourdain-
Mark Normand 20:07 Yeah
Joe Rogan 20:07 ... or you gotta be, like, angry.
Mark Normand 20:09 Like, uh, Gordon Ramsay.
Joe Rogan 20:10 Gordon Ramsay.
Mark Normand 20:11 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 20:13 You know?
Mark Normand 20:13 [laughs] That's true, but what, what happened to chef- when I was a kid, chefs were, like, fat guys with beards, and now they all have... They're jacked with tats.
Joe Rogan 20:19 Yeah. Well, they're all, they all look like artists.
Mark Normand 20:21 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 20:21 'Cause they are artists.
Mark Normand 20:23 I guess, but it's-
Joe Rogan 20:24 I, I didn't really think of that until I watched Bourdain's show, and then I was like, "Oh, these guys are making temporary art."
Mark Normand 20:29 That's true, and then you have to eat it.
Joe Rogan 20:30 Yeah, but it is art.
Mark Normand 20:32 It is art. Yeah, they're mixing oils. There's a lot of chemistry involved.
Joe Rogan 20:36 Mm, mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 20:36 But they kind of went the same path as porn stars. Porn stars used to be, like, voluptuous and hairy, bush, and now they're all like-
Joe Rogan 20:44 [laughs]
Mark Normand 20:44 They're all, like, MMA fighters. They're jacked and taking it in the ass.
Joe Rogan 20:48 [laughs]
Mark Normand 20:49 It's wild. They're all tatted up and pierced and shit.
ASMR street food and ‘satisfying videos’ as mental escape
Joe Rogan 20:52 One of the things that I've been watching a lot when the world is going completely crazy, I watch people making street food in other countries.
Mark Normand 20:59 Oh, that's-
Joe Rogan 20:59 With no language, no talking. It's all ASMR. It's all them cooking.
Mark Normand 21:03 Oh, yeah, and no regulations either.
Joe Rogan 21:05 Bring 'em over here. Bring 'em over here. Come on over.
Mark Normand 21:07 I mean, they're, they're not washing hands over there.
Joe Rogan 21:09 Come here, Char Char. Char Char, have a seat.
Mark Normand 21:12 And they'll use roadkill, whatever. Like, they don't, they, they don't give a shit.
Joe Rogan 21:15 No, they're, they're, they're using good food. It was Afghanistan. They were making roast chicken.
Mark Normand 21:19 Ugh, come on.
Joe Rogan 21:20 Dude, I'm telling you. I'll, I'll send it to Jamie, and you'll watch it.
Mark Normand 21:24 All right. All right.
Joe Rogan 21:24 It's exciting.
Mark Normand 21:25 I mean, I ate halal trucks for 10 years when I was broke in New York.
Joe Rogan 21:28 Oh, they're great.
Mark Normand 21:29 They're great.
Joe Rogan 21:29 They are great.
Mark Normand 21:29 But I, I could be eating pigeon and, uh-
Joe Rogan 21:31 Yeah, you probably are
Mark Normand 21:32 ... children.
Joe Rogan 21:33 Not children, but definitely pigeon. Probably a pigeon's made it into your mouth a couple of times.
Mark Normand 21:38 [laughs] All right.
Joe Rogan 21:39 Let me find these motherfuckers. I watch so much too. YouTube is my number one thing-
Mark Normand 21:44 Same
Joe Rogan 21:44 ... 'cause I'm off social, social media.
Mark Normand 21:45 I love it.
Joe Rogan 21:46 It's my number one thing for distraction.
Mark Normand 21:50 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 21:51 Oh, yeah, this is exactly... Jamie, you're the best. This is it, most cheap food in Afghanistan. This guy, uh, he sets up. They cook all this stuff, and you, you wa- I mean, it's like a 40-minute video or something. How long is it?
Speaker 22:03 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 22:03 Yeah.
Speaker 22:04 40 minutes.
Joe Rogan 22:04 It's like a 40 [laughs] 40-minute video.
Mark Normand 22:05 Wow.
Joe Rogan 22:05 I watched the whole thing just, like, at home, chilling after a long day's work, just watching people cook street food in Afghanistan.
Mark Normand 22:13 Wow.
Joe Rogan 22:13 It looked fucking delicious, man.
Mark Normand 22:15 Look at those spices. My God.
Joe Rogan 22:18 Yeah. Yeah, and they, they have, uh, meat in this stew pot, and they... Well, it's like, you know, a big wok it looks like.
Mark Normand 22:25 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 22:26 And they boil it up with all this salt and all these herbs-
Mark Normand 22:29 Oh, mama
Joe Rogan 22:29 ... and spices, and then they got these roast chickens, and they take these chickens and they stick them in spikes. If you back up the video a little bit, it's earlier in the video. You show they take these chickens, and they just have this big flame in the middle.
Mark Normand 22:41 Mm.
Joe Rogan 22:42 And then they stick these chickens all around the flame.
Mark Normand 22:45 This is hell for a vegan.
Speaker 22:47 Um, the shape of that fun fact, I think, if this is true, uh, that's because that's, they used to flip their shields upside down and cook on them.
Mark Normand 22:53 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 22:54 Oh.
Speaker 22:55 It's sort of like what the Genghis Khan stir-fry type thing-
Joe Rogan 22:58 Oh.
Mark Normand 22:58 Hell yeah
Speaker 22:59 ... makes sense.
Joe Rogan 23:00 Genghis Grill.
Speaker 23:00 It's all about.
Mark Normand 23:01 I love it.
Joe Rogan 23:01 That makes sense.
Mark Normand 23:02 Yeah, man.
Joe Rogan 23:03 That totally makes sense.
Mark Normand 23:04 Wouldn't it be great if the end is just a big drone strike?
Joe Rogan 23:06 [laughs] Well, we don't bomb Afghanistan anymore. We send them money.
Mark Normand 23:10 Oh, is that right?
Joe Rogan 23:11 Now we send the Taliban money.
Mark Normand 23:12 Man.
Joe Rogan 23:12 Yeah, we send them a ton of money.
Mark Normand 23:14 We hook up everybody. Ukraine.
Joe Rogan 23:15 Yeah. Should go to, back to the chickens, though. If you back up-
Mark Normand 23:18 Whoa, he's got a little brush.
Speaker 23:19 Oh, they're there.
Joe Rogan 23:19 No, you... Yeah, there it is. So this is how he does it. So they have this-
Mark Normand 23:22 [laughs] Oh, wow
Joe Rogan 23:22 ... this fire in the middle, and they just take these chickens on a stick, and they just rotate them, and they put them in the center. They put the fire in the center and the chickens all around them, and they rotate them.
Mark Normand 23:31 Yikes. This-
Joe Rogan 23:31 I got so hungry. I had to go in the kitchen to make myself food afterwards.
Mark Normand 23:35 This is a chicken holocaust.
Joe Rogan 23:37 Yeah, it looks good, right?
Mark Normand 23:39 Man, it does look amazing.
Joe Rogan 23:40 Yeah, dude, it looks fucking delicious. But-
Mark Normand 23:42 I mean, you, you ever get the rotisserie chicken at the grocery store?
Joe Rogan 23:44 Oh, that's de-
Mark Normand 23:45 There's nothing better
Joe Rogan 23:46 ... pretty good.
Mark Normand 23:46 It's good. You just eat it with knife and fork.
Joe Rogan 23:48 I know.
Mark Normand 23:49 No, no, uh, no nothing.
Joe Rogan 23:50 I know. You... Like, that's a good thing to do when you just wanna be completely distracted. That's what I like when I... What, I like watching people make, like, tables.
Mark Normand 24:00 Yes.
Joe Rogan 24:01 Furniture and shit. That's it.
Mark Normand 24:02 That, that, the horse hoof cleaning is great.
Joe Rogan 24:05 I do. I watch that too. Farriers.
Mark Normand 24:07 That's... What is that? Is that so- something innit, I think.
Joe Rogan 24:09 I-
Mark Normand 24:09 In, inate to old times.
Joe Rogan 24:11 It must be.
Mark Normand 24:11 It must be.
Joe Rogan 24:12 Like, there's a nail in his hoof.
Mark Normand 24:13 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 24:14 Oh, get it out.
Mark Normand 24:14 Get it out.
Joe Rogan 24:15 Get it out.
Mark Normand 24:15 Get the gunk out.
Joe Rogan 24:16 Help, help the horse.
Mark Normand 24:17 Yeah, and the horse loves it. That's a good one. What else is good? Uh, the, the pressure washing is kind of fun.
Joe Rogan 24:23 Yeah.
Mark Normand 24:23 That's when I'm really high. I'll take an edible. I just watch a guy, he's just washing a wall-
Joe Rogan 24:27 [laughs] Jesus
Mark Normand 24:28 ... and it goes from black to, to cement.
Joe Rogan 24:29 Yeah, farriers.
Mark Normand 24:30 This is 32 million views.
Joe Rogan 24:31 32 million.Okay, so what is that? Why, why are we so interested in watching people clean up horse hooves?
Mark Normand 24:38 Well, I think part of it is it doesn't hurt the horse, and it f- looks like it would.
Joe Rogan 24:42 Yeah.
Mark Normand 24:42 So that's kinda fascinating, 'cause it's all... What is that, like cartilage or-
Joe Rogan 24:45 It's all, like, fingernail stuff.
Mark Normand 24:47 I guess so.
Joe Rogan 24:47 It's like giant, fat fingernails.
Mark Normand 24:49 Wow.
Joe Rogan 24:50 That's what it's like. I mean, that's what a horse hoof is. And if they don't take care of the hooves, they get real weird and they look like, like Arab shoes-
Mark Normand 24:57 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 24:57 ... where they, like, curl up at the tips.
Mark Normand 24:59 [laughs] Yeah, right, right. There it is.
Joe Rogan 25:00 Yeah, like that. Like that.
Mark Normand 25:01 There it is. Oh.
Joe Rogan 25:02 So this must be somebody just, like, completely neglected that poor horse.
Mark Normand 25:06 But what do the horses do when they, uh, you know-
Joe Rogan 25:08 They wear off from running around.
Mark Normand 25:09 Oh, I see.
Joe Rogan 25:11 Yeah, just like a dog's fingernails.
Mark Normand 25:13 Right.
Joe Rogan 25:13 Like, you have to trim your dog's nails, unless the dogs run around outside a lot, then you don't have to do anything.
Mark Normand 25:18 Got it.
Joe Rogan 25:18 You know, the dogs all ha-
Mark Normand 25:19 It's like rat teeth
Joe Rogan 25:20 ... the horse is all happy now.
Mark Normand 25:20 They never stop growing.
Joe Rogan 25:22 Rat teeth don't stop growing?
Mark Normand 25:23 Mm-mm.
Joe Rogan 25:23 But beaver teeth don't, right?
Mark Normand 25:25 Oh, is that right? I didn't know.
Joe Rogan 25:26 Oh, shearing sheep.
Mark Normand 25:26 Oh, this is good stuff.
Joe Rogan 25:27 Yeah.
Mark Normand 25:28 Wow.
Joe Rogan 25:29 Isn't it amazing how many views you... How many, how many views does that have?
Speaker 25:33 I guess.
Joe Rogan 25:33 Uh, yeah, 23 million.
Mark Normand 25:35 I'm gonna go-
Speaker 25:35 It's three million subscribers on the channel.
Mark Normand 25:37 I'm gonna go 80 million.
Joe Rogan 25:39 [laughs]
Speaker 25:39 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 25:39 Three million subscribers.
Speaker 25:41 Yeah, 3.7.
Joe Rogan 25:42 Thir- 3.7 million.
Mark Normand 25:43 Oh, God.
Joe Rogan 25:44 Wow.
Mark Normand 25:44 This is just a Greek guy-
Joe Rogan 25:45 Look at that
Mark Normand 25:46 ... at the barber.
Joe Rogan 25:46 There's another guy that I love. It's, uh, the channel's called Wilderness Cooking.
Mark Normand 25:50 Mm.
Joe Rogan 25:50 And this guy lives in Azerbaijan, and he cooks in the mountains. It always looks delicious. And then at the end of it, he has a bite of it, and he looks at you, and he goes, "Super."
Mark Normand 26:00 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 26:00 He, like, puts, gives you a thumb up.
Mark Normand 26:02 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 26:02 It's a great channel. It's, like... And that guy's got millions and millions of views.
Mark Normand 26:06 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 26:06 This dude. So he's always, like, he catches fish, and he does all the things. He, he makes his own fire, and he's always cooking in weird ways.
Mark Normand 26:15 Wow. Now, see, this guy's way happier than all of us.
Joe Rogan 26:18 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's having a good time. Well, he lives in peaceful mountains. He's making delicious food.
Mark Normand 26:22 Mm-hmm. Imagine him on Cameo just saying, "Super."
Speaker 26:26 He probably does.
Mark Normand 26:27 He could make a billion dollars.
Joe Rogan 26:28 He probably does. Yeah, but just, "Happy birthday. Super."
Mark Normand 26:31 Wow.
Cameo economy and the weirdness of monetized shout-outs
Joe Rogan 26:32 Who's, who makes the most on Cameo? They're still doing that?
Speaker 26:35 Yeah.
Mark Normand 26:36 Really?
Speaker 26:36 Yeah.
Mark Normand 26:37 Wow.
Joe Rogan 26:37 Who's, like, the number one earner on Cameo?
Mark Normand 26:39 That's a great question.
Speaker 26:40 Uh-
Mark Normand 26:40 I'm sure Dynomite had a run. It's gotta be somebody with a catchphrase.
Joe Rogan 26:44 Is Jimmy Walker still alive?
Mark Normand 26:46 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 26:46 Is he still touring?
Mark Normand 26:48 I, I'd imagine. I don't know how he pays the bills.
Joe Rogan 26:51 Yeah.
Mark Normand 26:51 These old guys, you wonder how they have money.
Joe Rogan 26:54 Right.
Mark Normand 26:54 Can that last? Like, how long does Dynomite-
Joe Rogan 26:57 You know what I worry about? Guys who were, like, middle acts-
Mark Normand 26:59 Mm
Joe Rogan 26:59 ... like, 20 years ago-
Mark Normand 27:01 Yes
Joe Rogan 27:01 ... and they just faded out. Like, what are you doing now?
Mark Normand 27:05 I assume Uber or something.
Speaker 27:07 Currently, currently number one, John Kiracou.
Joe Rogan 27:08 John Kiracou is number one?
Speaker 27:10 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 27:11 That's crazy.
Speaker 27:13 He's a starter.
Joe Rogan 27:13 So he does Cameos?
Speaker 27:14 And that's my buddy Bob.
Mark Normand 27:14 Who's that? I don't even know who that is.
Joe Rogan 27:16 Who are all the... John Kiracou?
Mark Normand 27:18 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 27:18 The former CIA guy, went to jail.
Speaker 27:20 That's my buddy Bob.
Mark Normand 27:20 What?
Joe Rogan 27:20 On, yeah. They, they put him in jail.
Speaker 27:22 He's a golfer.
Joe Rogan 27:23 A golfer?
Speaker 27:23 That's my buddy Bob.
Joe Rogan 27:24 Oh, you know him?
Speaker 27:24 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 27:25 And he's number two?
Speaker 27:26 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 27:26 How much money is he making?
Speaker 27:27 I mean, he does a lot of these.
Joe Rogan 27:29 $149.
Speaker 27:29 He is always in a fight, like, with Santa during Christmas time, and-
Mark Normand 27:32 Whoa
Speaker 27:33 ... John, John Green's been up here for a while, but he's not currently on here.
Joe Rogan 27:35 Oh, that dude, Soy Tiet-
Speaker 27:37 Yep
Joe Rogan 27:37 ... the guy who sings.
Speaker 27:38 That's Brother Percussive.
Mark Normand 27:38 Oh, yeah, he's fun.
Joe Rogan 27:40 Yeah. And then r- who's Red? Is that one of the Island Boys?
Mark Normand 27:43 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 27:44 Who's that guy in the-
Speaker 27:45 Yes
Joe Rogan 27:45 ... lower-left corner?
Mark Normand 27:46 Oh, wow, that guy.
Joe Rogan 27:46 Those guys are still at it.
Speaker 27:48 Then the rest of these, I don't know who they are.
Joe Rogan 27:51 So John Kiracou costs $179-
Speaker 27:53 Bam
Joe Rogan 27:54 ... for one of those.
Mark Normand 27:55 Oh, bam.
Joe Rogan 27:56 Bam, Margera's in there.
Mark Normand 27:56 Good for him.
Speaker 27:57 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 27:58 Who else is in there? Anybody you know?
Speaker 28:00 No.
Mark Normand 28:01 No.
Speaker 28:01 Some names I do not recognize. Nick Foley.
Joe Rogan 28:03 Interesting.
Speaker 28:04 Yeah.
Mark Normand 28:04 Oh, Red Dead Redemption guy.
Joe Rogan 28:06 Oh, Nick Foley, the, uh, wrestler.
Speaker 28:08 Yep.
Mark Normand 28:08 There you go.
Joe Rogan 28:09 How odd.
Mark Normand 28:10 Weird.
Joe Rogan 28:10 What an, what an odd thing.
Mark Normand 28:12 Who's buying a Rapaport?
Joe Rogan 28:14 President Donald Trump parody-
Speaker 28:15 Parody
Joe Rogan 28:15 ... is number 37.
Mark Normand 28:18 What?
Joe Rogan 28:18 Michael Rapaport.
Mark Normand 28:19 He's screaming enough for free.
Joe Rogan 28:20 Yeah.
Speaker 28:21 Oh, but why would you buffer-
Mark Normand 28:22 Oh, Buffer has gotta be up there
Joe Rogan 28:23 ... Buffer's at the top, of course. Of course, Buffer.
Speaker 28:24 Yeah.
Mark Normand 28:24 Of course, Buffer.
Joe Rogan 28:24 $349.
Speaker 28:25 I've seen people, uh, in a hotel, they've, like, heard him doing them-
Joe Rogan 28:29 Oh yeah, I've seen him do them
Speaker 28:30 ... just practicing all that stuff. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 28:30 I've seen him do them. I've, I've been with him when he's doing them.
Mark Normand 28:33 How crazy, his story with his brother.
Joe Rogan 28:35 Crazy.
Mark Normand 28:35 Isn't that bananas?
Joe Rogan 28:36 Yeah.
Mark Normand 28:37 That kind of shit blows my mind.
Joe Rogan 28:38 Didn't even know his brother till they were, like, 30.
Mark Normand 28:41 And they just found each other with the, with the voice, both fighting.
Joe Rogan 28:44 Yeah. Well, he was, like, the budget Buffer in the beginning. Like, he was like, if you couldn't afford Michael, you got Bruce.
Mark Normand 28:51 Ah.
Joe Rogan 28:51 But now Bruce is way better than Michael.
Mark Normand 28:54 Mm.
Joe Rogan 28:54 No disrespect to Michael.
Mark Normand 28:55 Oh, boy.
Joe Rogan 28:55 But Michael gets... You know, Michael's smooth.
Mark Normand 28:58 Yes.
Joe Rogan 28:58 "Let's get ready to rumble," which is perfect for boxing. But Bruce is perfect for MMA.
Mark Normand 29:04 Yeah, he's got more flair.
Joe Rogan 29:05 He gets you fucking hyped.
Mark Normand 29:06 Oh, yeah. He's got the suit on.
Joe Rogan 29:08 He's gonna drop dead doing that one day.
Mark Normand 29:09 I know. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 29:09 We've all called it.
Mark Normand 29:10 I know.
Joe Rogan 29:10 'Cause he gets beat red, and now he's, like, deep in his 60s.
Mark Normand 29:14 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 29:14 I don't, I don't know how old he is.
Mark Normand 29:15 And he parties too, I think.
Joe Rogan 29:16 Bruce parties?
Mark Normand 29:17 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 29:18 How do you know?
Mark Normand 29:18 There's a bunch of videos of him. He got into a fistfight in an elevator with an MMA fighter.
Joe Rogan 29:22 Oh, that was with Frank Trigg? Yeah.
Mark Normand 29:23 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 29:24 Like, kind of a fistfight.
Mark Normand 29:25 Wow.
Joe Rogan 29:25 Like, a little bit of a pushing, shoving probably. Frank Trigg would literally kill him.
Mark Normand 29:31 [laughs] I know, that's why I'm impressed, 'cause he, he, he stood up to him.
Joe Rogan 29:34 Frank Trigg was a animal when he was young.
Mark Normand 29:37 Yeah. I would not fuck with that guy.
Joe Rogan 29:38 And this was like, I think it was when Frank was still fighting.
Mark Normand 29:41 That's crazy.
Joe Rogan 29:41 I, I don't think Frank really fought him back.
Mark Normand 29:43 Ah.
Joe Rogan 29:44 I think that would be a very quick encounter.
Mark Normand 29:46 But just the fact that he, he was up for it.
Joe Rogan 29:48 I don't know what really happened.
Mark Normand 29:50 I think the story's online somewhere, but-
Joe Rogan 29:52 Yeah. It's Bruce's version of the story.
Mark Normand 29:54 Yeah, that's true. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 29:55 You know what I mean? I don't know. Not that Bruce is lying. Bruce might've thought he was in a fight, and Frank might've thought it was hilarious.
Mark Normand 30:01 Right, right.
Joe Rogan 30:02 I don't know.
Mark Normand 30:03 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 30:03 But Bruce, uh, did martial arts most of his life.
Wild coincidences, morphic resonance, and survival stories with ants
Mark Normand 30:06 The craziest coincidence of all, and, and get, get your fingers ready, Jamo.
Speaker 30:11 Uh-oh.
Mark Normand 30:11 Dennis the Menace, the cartoon, was invented in England and in America on the same day.
Joe Rogan 30:18 What?
Mark Normand 30:19 Put that in your pipe and jizz on it. Get, get that cooking.
Joe Rogan 30:23 What?
Mark Normand 30:23 Oh, yeah. 'Cause they were like, "Oh, you must have stolen this." So they went back and, and researched it. They were both invented, same character, same name, on the same day in the same year.
Joe Rogan 30:33 That makes no sense.
Mark Normand 30:34 Isn't that bananas? My brain blew up.
Joe Rogan 30:37 That literally makes no sense.
Mark Normand 30:38 It's crazy.So that's a fun one.
Joe Rogan 30:41 How is that possible?
Mark Normand 30:42 I don't know. Just, you know, a monkey's writing on a typewriter, eventually you get Shakespeare. Two guys thinking of the same thing-
Joe Rogan 30:49 Hmm
Mark Normand 30:49 ... same day across the pond.
Joe Rogan 30:50 Maybe that's one of those things. Like, what is that called? Like, um, like Berenstain Bears, The Mandala Effect.
Mark Normand 30:58 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 30:58 Oh, that's not the same thing, 'cause that's like when it's not real.
Mark Normand 31:01 Oh.
Speaker 31:01 This is something that's real. [laughs]
Mark Normand 31:02 That's true.
Joe Rogan 31:03 Right. That's right. Right.
Speaker 31:04 There's a-
Joe Rogan 31:05 No, I'm thinking of the wrong things. [laughs]
Speaker 31:06 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 31:07 What does Perplexity say? Our lovely AI sponsor Perplexity says there's actually two completely separate Dennis the Menace comic strip characters that debuted almost simultaneously in 1951, created independently in the UK and the US. So how would they even know about each other back then?
Mark Normand 31:23 Oh, sorry, it's 17th and 12th, so they're five days apart.
Joe Rogan 31:26 Who started first? British was the 17th.
Mark Normand 31:29 Okay.
Joe Rogan 31:29 On sale, issue dated 17 March, on sale 12 March, created by these guys, American, on 12 March. No. Like-
Mark Normand 31:40 Oh, it is
Joe Rogan 31:40 ... basically the same day on sale. On sale the same day.
Mark Normand 31:44 Unbelievable. Blonde hair-
Joe Rogan 31:45 That's insane
Mark Normand 31:46 ... overalls.
Speaker 31:47 There's some images.
Joe Rogan 31:48 And it said... Hold, go back to what the saying was again. It said, "Your son is a menace." Is, did they both say that? No.
Mark Normand 31:56 I don't know.
Joe Rogan 31:57 Wow. Both mischievous little boys, but they look different. UK Dennis has black hair-
Mark Normand 32:03 Hmm
Joe Rogan 32:03 ... red and black jumper. US Dennis, blonde hair, overalls. They live in different fictional worlds. Creators worked entirely independently. No evidence either knew about the other before publication, so it's treated as a famous coincidence rather than copying. Wow.
Mark Normand 32:19 Unreal. There they are side by side.
Joe Rogan 32:23 Wow.
Mark Normand 32:24 That kind of shit is kooky.
Joe Rogan 32:26 It's weird. That's like when rats, you, like, if you teach a rat how to get out of a maze on the East Coast, rats on the West Coast get out of the maze quicker.
Mark Normand 32:36 No fucking way.
Joe Rogan 32:37 Yeah.
Mark Normand 32:38 What?
Joe Rogan 32:38 There's a, a guy named Rupert Sheldrake, he calls it morphic resonance. He thinks there's, there's some sort of, like, communication that all animals have with each other all over the world that we can't quantify-
Mark Normand 32:51 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 32:51 ... that we can't measure, but it seems real.
Mark Normand 32:54 Yeah. Well, apparently I got caught in an ant pile when I was a kid, and all the ants swarmed on me, and they all bit me at once. I felt it.
Joe Rogan 33:01 Oh, yeah.
Mark Normand 33:01 I was like, "Ah!" It was just one big just wave of pain.
Joe Rogan 33:05 Oh, yeah.
Mark Normand 33:05 They communicated.
Joe Rogan 33:07 Well, ants just immediately attack, though-
Mark Normand 33:09 Yeah
Joe Rogan 33:09 ... as soon as you get on the ant hill.
Mark Normand 33:11 But ants are, they're on another level.
Joe Rogan 33:13 You hear about the lady that fell, uh, she was, her parachute didn't deploy, but she landed in an ant pile of fire ants?
Mark Normand 33:20 [laughs] No.
Joe Rogan 33:21 And she survived because she was bit, like, 1,000 times by these fire ants, and somehow or another, the ant bites and the adrenaline that caused it hel- helped... Hey, don't jump down. Stay up there, buddy ... is what, what kept her alive.
Mark Normand 33:35 What?
Joe Rogan 33:36 Yeah.
Mark Normand 33:37 Wow. That's when you start going religion shit.
Joe Rogan 33:41 I know. Like you-
Mark Normand 33:41 Like, how did that happen?
Joe Rogan 33:43 Stay up here, buddy. Stay up here.
Mark Normand 33:45 Ant bites.
Joe Rogan 33:46 Yeah. 1999, her parachute malfunctioned. She fell 4,500 feet.
Mark Normand 33:52 Hmm.
Joe Rogan 33:52 Her backup parachute opened at 700 feet but quickly deflated. She continued to plummet towards the ground at 80 miles an hour. Miraculously, she survived the fall, thanks to the fact she landed directly on a mound of fire ants. Doctors believe the intense shock of being stung over 200 times by the ants released a surge of adrenaline, which kept her heart beating.
Mark Normand 34:12 Oh, it's like a clear tsh-tsh.
Joe Rogan 34:13 Yeah.
Mark Normand 34:13 She got cleared by ants.
Joe Rogan 34:15 Isn't that nuts?
Suicide, Golden Gate Bridge regrets, and the cost of untreated depression
Mark Normand 34:16 That is kooky. It's like when those guys jump off the Golden Gate Bridge, and a seal... A guy jump off, broke all his bones, and a seal pushed him to the shore.
Joe Rogan 34:25 Whoa.
Mark Normand 34:25 That's in the documentary, The Bridge, and-
Joe Rogan 34:28 A f- a friend of mine did that and died.
Mark Normand 34:30 Really?
Joe Rogan 34:30 Yeah, he killed himself.
Mark Normand 34:31 It's the number one spot to kill yourself.
Joe Rogan 34:33 Yeah. RIP Tony Antigone. He's a buddy of mine that, uh, was a professional pool player-
Mark Normand 34:38 Hmm
Joe Rogan 34:39 ... that, uh, I did commentary with him on a pool match in the '90s. He was in a book called Playing Off the Rail. It's a great book by this guy, uh, David MacComber, who was Hunter S. Thompson's editor-
Mark Normand 34:51 Ah
Joe Rogan 34:51 ... in, I wanna say Seattle, something like that. I forget what newspaper. But, um, when Hunter was, like, off the rails and out of his fucking mind too-
Mark Normand 35:00 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 35:00 ... it was perfect, another different kind of off the rail.
Mark Normand 35:03 Right. Right.
Joe Rogan 35:03 So he followed my friend Tony all across the country, uh, gambling. They-
Mark Normand 35:08 Hmm.
Joe Rogan 35:08 It, it's a great book about, like, pool hustling.
Mark Normand 35:10 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 35:11 Tony was, like, a world-class professional pool player, and they went around the country gambling, and I don't know what happened with him, but I lost touch with him. And then, uh-
Mark Normand 35:19 Was he Golden Gate?
Joe Rogan 35:21 Yeah.
Mark Normand 35:21 Oh, damn.
Joe Rogan 35:22 Yeah.
Mark Normand 35:22 It's like they all know to go there.
Joe Rogan 35:23 Well, he was a San Francisco guy.
Mark Normand 35:25 Ah.
Joe Rogan 35:25 He lived, he lived up there his whole life, and, um, I got this message from a friend of mine. Tony jumped off the bridge. I was like, "No."
Mark Normand 35:32 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 35:34 [sighs]
Mark Normand 35:35 Crazy. Well, it's weird.
Joe Rogan 35:36 'Cause I, I watch matches sometimes on YouTube-
Mark Normand 35:39 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 35:39 ... and he's doing the commentary for the matches.
Mark Normand 35:40 Oh, that's crazy.
Joe Rogan 35:41 It's so strange, 'cause he seems so happy. He's enjoying himself. They're cracking up, and I'm like, what is it that makes someone wanna end it? You know, what is it? Like, what was... I guess he had, like, some failed business ventures, and he was going bankrupt and-
Mark Normand 35:57 Hmm. Well, depression is, you know, way, was way more, uh, unresearched back then.
Joe Rogan 36:03 Yeah.
Mark Normand 36:03 You know, he probably just thought, "Ah, something's wrong with me. I gotta end this pain."
Joe Rogan 36:07 Yeah.
Mark Normand 36:08 But damn. But yeah, everybody who lived, they said, each of them said separately, "Right when my hand left the rail, I was, I, I regretted it."
Joe Rogan 36:17 Oh, yeah. They all say that.
Mark Normand 36:18 Every single one.
Joe Rogan 36:18 They all say that, yeah, everybody who lives.
Mark Normand 36:20 Don't do it.
Joe Rogan 36:21 It's, it's a terrible idea.
Mark Normand 36:23 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 36:23 Do you remember the one in Downtown LA where the guy was, like, on... I think he shot himself with a shotgun, and he was, like, standing on the edge of a bridge, and it was live on TV. Do you remember that one?
Mark Normand 36:35 No, no.
Joe Rogan 36:36 There was, like, a standoff. They were trying to get him to not jump, but he had a shotgun. Some-
Mark Normand 36:39 What?
Joe Rogan 36:40 I think I'm conflating it.
Mark Normand 36:41 Pull it up.
Joe Rogan 36:41 But I'm pretty sure he blew his brains out-
Mark Normand 36:43 Ah
Joe Rogan 36:43 ... on TV.
Mark Normand 36:44 Damn.
Joe Rogan 36:45 Yeah.
Mark Normand 36:45 I knew about the fat guy with the gun in the mouth.
Joe Rogan 36:48 Oh, yeah.
Mark Normand 36:48 The old politician guy.
Joe Rogan 36:50 Was he a judge? Was he a dirty-
Mark Normand 36:51 Maybe a judge
Joe Rogan 36:52 ... a dirty judge?
Mark Normand 36:53 Yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan 36:53 That's, that song Hey Man, Nice Shot.
Mark Normand 36:55 Exactly.
Joe Rogan 36:56 Yeah.
Mark Normand 36:56 Yeah. And that was a hot video when I was a kid.
Joe Rogan 36:59 Oh, yeah.
Mark Normand 36:59 Like ta- what is it? Taste of Death or-
Joe Rogan 37:01 Bud Faces.
Speaker 37:01 Bud Dwyer.
Mark Normand 37:02 Faces of Death.
Joe Rogan 37:03 Bud Dwyer.
Mark Normand 37:03 Bud Dwyer! That's it.
Joe Rogan 37:04 That was one of the first ones where you got to see a guy die, like a viral vid- He put a giant gun in his mouth.
Mark Normand 37:10 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 37:10 It was like a .44.
Mark Normand 37:11 And everybody goes, "No, no, don't do it!" Oh.
Joe Rogan 37:14 Yeah.
Mark Normand 37:14 Great. He's like, "Stay back."
Joe Rogan 37:15 Hang on, relax. Everyone, stay calm.
Mark Normand 37:17 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 37:17 He just shoved it in his mouth and boom.
Mark Normand 37:19 Woo.
Joe Rogan 37:20 Blew the top of his dome off.
Mark Normand 37:21 And now we just see people getting shot on Twitter every 10 seconds.
Joe Rogan 37:24 Every day.
Mark Normand 37:25 I mean, the Kirk thing, I remember waking up and being like, "Good God."
Assassination attempts, ‘conspiracy’ stigma, and living in an AI/info fog
Joe Rogan 37:28 The Kirk thing's weird. The Kirk thing's weird because now there's video footage from behind.
Mark Normand 37:33 Is that right?
Joe Rogan 37:34 Yeah. It, it... I mean, the round that he was supposedly shot with was a .30-06, which is a big round. That's a round that you'd kill a moose with.
Mark Normand 37:42 Uh-huh.
Joe Rogan 37:43 And it doesn't even have an exit wound.
Mark Normand 37:45 Right.
Joe Rogan 37:45 It don't make no sense. It makes zero sense.
Mark Normand 37:48 Well, you hear about this Joe Kent.
Joe Rogan 37:50 Yeah.
Mark Normand 37:50 Yeah, they told him not to research or investigate.
Joe Rogan 37:53 Yes.
Mark Normand 37:54 So what's up with that?
Joe Rogan 37:55 He said that they were told to stop their investigation-
Mark Normand 37:59 Yeah
Joe Rogan 37:59 ... and that they were gonna handle it.
Mark Normand 38:00 And he just resigned.
Joe Rogan 38:01 And meanwhile, have they handled it? Like, we haven't seen that guy, the, the guy who loves furries, who supposedly killed Charlie Kirk.
Mark Normand 38:07 Tyler... Something.
Joe Rogan 38:09 Robinson.
Mark Normand 38:09 Yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan 38:10 Yeah. We haven't seen him talk. He hasn't-
Mark Normand 38:12 No
Joe Rogan 38:13 ... he hasn't said he did it. He hasn't said he didn't do it. There's no known, like, independent video of him talking about it.
Mark Normand 38:19 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 38:20 And then there was footage of him, like, at a yoga shop-
Mark Normand 38:23 Right
Joe Rogan 38:23 ... like way across town, like 20 minutes later. The whole thing is, like, super sus.
Mark Normand 38:27 It's similar with the goat shot Trump, whatever his name was. He had three names.
Joe Rogan 38:31 Oh yeah, that kid.
Mark Normand 38:33 That-
Joe Rogan 38:33 That kid was in a BlackRock commercial two years before.
Mark Normand 38:36 Exactly. He had no silverware, and look, I, I-
Joe Rogan 38:37 His house was professionally scrubbed.
Mark Normand 38:39 I... And no one can ask questions about that? We can't, uh, deep dive on that?
Joe Rogan 38:44 If you do, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Mark Normand 38:46 [laughs] He shot a b- a presidential elect.
Joe Rogan 38:49 Well, yeah, not only that, but isn't that a fucking conspiracy? Like, that's a conspiracy.
Mark Normand 38:53 Right.
Joe Rogan 38:54 He conspired to murder the president of the United States. And-
Mark Normand 38:57 Yeah
Joe Rogan 38:57 ... it seems like he had help.
Mark Normand 38:59 Of course.
Joe Rogan 38:59 Like, how the fuck did he get up onto that roof? How did they not have people on that roof? They said the slope was too steep.
Mark Normand 39:05 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 39:06 But meanwhile, there were snipers on another roof that had a sharper angled roof.
Mark Normand 39:10 Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then he has no social media.
Joe Rogan 39:13 Yeah.
Mark Normand 39:13 He has no history. It's all kooky.
Joe Rogan 39:16 Super suspect.
Mark Normand 39:17 Yeah. And we can't ask questions or else we're assholes.
Joe Rogan 39:20 Well, not only that, the, the kooky people online now think that that was staged, and that-
Mark Normand 39:25 Right
Joe Rogan 39:25 ... you know, Trump had that guy shoot his ear. Like, you don't know jack shit about guns if you think that that was staged.
Mark Normand 39:32 I will say the flag going up with the photo op was pretty, was pretty, uh, perfect.
Joe Rogan 39:37 But sometimes that's like Dennis the Menace.
Mark Normand 39:39 Ah.
Joe Rogan 39:39 Shit just lines up perfectly.
Mark Normand 39:40 I guess so.
Joe Rogan 39:41 You know what I mean? Sometimes weird stuff happens.
Mark Normand 39:44 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 39:44 That you're like, "How is this so perfect?"
Mark Normand 39:46 Right. Right. But-
Joe Rogan 39:48 You know?
Mark Normand 39:49 Yeah, we gotta get to the bottom of that, I mean-
Joe Rogan 39:50 But he got shot in the ear, man. I saw his fucking ear. He had, like, a little mark on his ear-
Mark Normand 39:54 I remember that
Joe Rogan 39:54 ... where it hit him.
Mark Normand 39:55 Get, get Nick Shirley on this shit. He's cracking all kinds of cases.
Joe Rogan 39:58 Bro, the, the stuff that he just found in California is bonkers.
Mark Normand 40:02 If you see that guy in your town, you're fucked.
Joe Rogan 40:04 Yeah. Well-
Mark Normand 40:05 He has a, a per- persistent little queef, that guy.
Joe Rogan 40:08 But did you see what the governor posted, what Newsom's press office posted? They posted a photo of Nick Shirley, like a fake Nick Shirley, like a meme.
Mark Normand 40:16 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 40:16 Like Nick Shirley peeking into windows.
Mark Normand 40:18 I saw that.
Joe Rogan 40:18 Like, hey, he's doing your job.
Mark Normand 40:21 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 40:22 He's uncovering fraud, and what you're doing is mocking him?
Mark Normand 40:26 Right. You should go, "Oh shit, that's fraud."
Joe Rogan 40:28 Yeah.
Mark Normand 40:29 "I'm the governor."
Joe Rogan 40:30 They should just open up the investigations into all these places immediately if you cared, but all they wanna do is just obfuscate, cover it up, make it look silly.
Mark Normand 40:41 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 40:41 Make it look like he's something, whatever he is, white supremacist.
Mark Normand 40:44 Right, right. MAGA.
Joe Rogan 40:46 Nazi, whatever, MAGA. Phil- come up with a name.
Mark Normand 40:48 I don't wanna get too... My kid's at a Somali daycare right now.
Joe Rogan 40:51 Yeah.
Mark Normand 40:51 So I don't wanna-
Joe Rogan 40:52 Ga, ga, ga, ga, ga, ga, ga
Mark Normand 40:53 ... I don't wanna say anything crazy. But yeah, that was, that was all kooky. And look, I don't know what's real and what isn't anymore, s- you know? And you, if you ask questions, you're this, you get labeled. I don't know.
Joe Rogan 41:03 I know.
Mark Normand 41:03 It's a wacky time, and-
Joe Rogan 41:05 Yeah
Mark Normand 41:05 ... no one's happy.
Joe Rogan 41:06 It's, uh, a time where we've never had more information, and no one's sh- less sure about anything.
Mark Normand 41:12 Yes. And the same with lo- we're more lonely than ever, and we have more connectivity than ever.
Joe Rogan 41:17 Yeah, but it's the kind of connectivity that people have just... It's not... That's why I'm off social media. It's just not good for you. It's not-
Mark Normand 41:24 No.
Joe Rogan 41:25 I hop on to post things, and then I get the fuck out of there.
Mark Normand 41:28 But you seem to know a s- a ton of stuff, so I'm like, how are you off social media but also-
Joe Rogan 41:31 The news
Mark Normand 41:31 ... knowledgeable?
Joe Rogan 41:32 Google News feed, and then things that informed people send me.
Mark Normand 41:36 Uh-huh.
Joe Rogan 41:36 I rely on people sending me things now, which is way better.
Mark Normand 41:39 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 41:39 'Cause everybody's always sending you things that are f- "Have you seen this shit? Holy fuck."
Mark Normand 41:43 I say something yesterday about that.
Joe Rogan 41:44 Always.
Mark Normand 41:45 YouTube deleted it.
Joe Rogan 41:46 Yeah. I don't think they did.
Mark Normand 41:47 Oh, really?
Joe Rogan 41:48 Yeah, I think it's back, or if it was deleted, it was pulled back up.
Mark Normand 41:50 Mm.
Joe Rogan 41:50 The, the Nick Shirley thing.
Mark Normand 41:51 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 41:52 Yeah.
Mark Normand 41:52 Okay.
Joe Rogan 41:53 Yeah.
Mark Normand 41:53 Well, good.
Joe Rogan 41:54 'Cause other people said, "I found it. It's r- it's right here." So it might've just been a glitch.
Mark Normand 41:58 Right.
Joe Rogan 41:58 Or it might've been they thought about deleting it, and someone said, "That's gonna make it worse."
Mark Normand 42:02 Exactly. Exactly.
Joe Rogan 42:04 'Cause it definitely makes it worse, but...
Government fraud, DOGE claims, and why big systems resist scrutiny
Mark Normand 42:05 But if it is true, I don't know if it all, it all is true with the fraud and everything, but I'm like, can we stop it? Can we get the money back? Can we help people who are paying taxes who are not getting anything out of it, and it's all going to some guy in a Cybertruck? Like-
Joe Rogan 42:20 [laughs]
Mark Normand 42:21 ... wh- when, where, where's the redemption? Where's the, uh, comeuppance or the...
Joe Rogan 42:25 Well, this is the thing that Elon Musk told me about during the DOGE stuff. He said the biggest fraud in this country is Medicare fraud, Medicaid fraud.
Mark Normand 42:33 Ooh.
Joe Rogan 42:33 He's like-
Mark Normand 42:33 Right
Joe Rogan 42:33 ... and that, if that gets... He goes like, "I don't even wanna talk about it 'cause I don't want them to kill me."
Mark Normand 42:37 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 42:38 He literally said that. He's like, "We're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud."
Mark Normand 42:42 But don't we have the worst healthcare or whatever?
Joe Rogan 42:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mark Normand 42:45 Huh.
Joe Rogan 42:46 But it doesn't matter. It's not about actual healthcare. It's about using the system to extract money, pretending you have a daycare-
Mark Normand 42:53 Mm
Joe Rogan 42:53 ... pretending you have a hospice-
Mark Normand 42:54 Mm
Joe Rogan 42:54 ... pretending you have a this and a that, and really you're just lying about who's there and collecting checks from the government.
Mark Normand 43:02 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 43:02 'Cause if you have a bunch of clients... Like, there was one place in Minneapolis that was saying they were feeding, like, 5,000 people a day. They never saw more than 40 people there. They investigated.
Mark Normand 43:10 Wow.
Joe Rogan 43:10 Like, this is just, they're just taking money.
Mark Normand 43:13 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 43:13 And they're getting millions and millions of dollars.
Mark Normand 43:15 Millions.
Joe Rogan 43:16 It's crazy. But you gotta think, if this thing has been going on for so long, they probably have a whole system, no one's ever investigated it, it's been happening for over a decade, and they just like, "This is what we do," and they-
Mark Normand 43:27 Yeah
Joe Rogan 43:27 ... they're all just cashing in.
Mark Normand 43:29 Yeah, but I don't know. Like, my friend lives in Minneapolis. He's a, an old pal, and he's like, "I've known Tim Walz my whole life. He was always the governor, and he's a nice guy." But then you see this shit, and you're like, so is he stupid or is he, uh, corrupt?
Joe Rogan 43:43 Well, you can know someone and think they're a nice guy 'cause they're a nice guy to you.
Mark Normand 43:47 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 43:48 You know what I mean?
Mark Normand 43:49 Right.
Joe Rogan 43:49 Like, I know a lot of people, and people will say, "That guy's a piece of shit." I'm like [sighs] maybe. But to me, all I can judge is how he treats me and how he talks to me.
Mark Normand 43:58 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 43:58 But he's gonna talk different to me than he's gonna talk to people that don't matter-
Mark Normand 44:03 Right
Joe Rogan 44:03 ... to him.
Mark Normand 44:04 Yeah, and you only know of his online-
Joe Rogan 44:06 Yeah
Mark Normand 44:06 ... perception.
Joe Rogan 44:07 Tim Walz just seems weird.
Mark Normand 44:10 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 44:10 Like, it just... There's no humans that I know like that, that wave like that, that walk around-
Mark Normand 44:15 Right
Joe Rogan 44:15 ... like this. It's just not normal behavior.
Mark Normand 44:18 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 44:18 And he stopped his run for re-election-
Mark Normand 44:21 I saw that
Joe Rogan 44:22 ... because of this Minneapolis fraud.
Mark Normand 44:23 Ooh.
Joe Rogan 44:24 So there's something to it.
Mark Normand 44:25 But he just wants some acknowledgement. He just want them to go like, "Jeez, that is crazy. Holy shit." But instead it's like, "Shut it down. Don't listen to that guy."
Joe Rogan 44:32 Exactly.
Mark Normand 44:32 I just... Just, just stop making me feel crazy.
Joe Rogan 44:35 You're not crazy. It's real. It's real. The... I mean, maybe Nick Shirley, 90, maybe 100% of it isn't fraudulent that he uncovered. Maybe some of it's legit. But there's definitely some fraud involved.
Mark Normand 44:47 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 44:47 And it's enough that you realize, like, this is... You're talking about enormous amounts of money.
Mark Normand 44:53 Right.
Joe Rogan 44:53 And how long, how long has this been going on?
Mark Normand 44:54 I know.
Joe Rogan 44:55 And, and also, who's getting paid?
Mark Normand 44:57 Yes.
Joe Rogan 44:57 Is anybody getting backdoor deals? Is there any offshore accounts that other people have access to?
Mark Normand 45:02 Exactly.
Joe Rogan 45:02 And they're funneling money, and no one knows about it, and...
Mark Normand 45:05 Well, let's paper trail this shit and get to something. We don't make any arrests. Like, all the Epstein guys are out there. In, in England and Norway, they, they popped a few guys at least.
Joe Rogan 45:13 Well, that was what the Doge stuff was all about. That was the, the whole purpose for it all.
Mark Normand 45:18 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 45:18 The whole purpose for the Doge stuff was to try to uncover a lot of this stuff, and they found fucking tons of it, hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud, and what happened to those guys? Those guys are getting... You know, they're getting questioned now, and, uh-
Mark Normand 45:30 Okay
Joe Rogan 45:31 ... and people are... You know, the guys, the Doge guys are, like, having to give testimony.
Mark Normand 45:36 Uh-oh.
Joe Rogan 45:36 They're like, they're like, like, you know, "You shut down important government functions."
Mark Normand 45:39 Right. Right.
Joe Rogan 45:39 It's like, well, actually these fucking things didn't... No- nothing was getting done, and these people were making enormous amounts of money.
Mark Normand 45:46 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 45:47 It's like, did you see that fucking bridge that they're building in California-
Mark Normand 45:50 I did, the Wildlife
Joe Rogan 45:51 ... up the mountain lions?
Mark Normand 45:51 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 45:53 It's over $100 million.
Mark Normand 45:54 I know.
Joe Rogan 45:55 And they need more money-
Mark Normand 45:56 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 45:56 ... for a fucking bridge.
Mark Normand 45:58 I know.
Joe Rogan 45:59 Meanwhile, Colorado built, built one, a similar one, for a fraction of the cost.
Mark Normand 46:03 No, I think it was 5 million.
Joe Rogan 46:04 Yeah. Fraction of the cost-
Mark Normand 46:05 Yeah
Joe Rogan 46:05 ... and, and completed it.
Mark Normand 46:07 Right.
Joe Rogan 46:07 And it's done. And in California, like, "We need more money to save the fox."
Mark Normand 46:12 Well, there's so many regulations that you can't... There's so much red tape, you can't get anywhere.
Joe Rogan 46:16 I- It's a little bit of that, but they're blaming tariffs and the government, but-
Mark Normand 46:19 Oh
Joe Rogan 46:20 ... shut up. Shut up.
Mark Normand 46:21 Tariffs.
Joe Rogan 46:21 I doubt, I doubt that's what it is. I doubt it's $100 million and you can't finish it because of tariffs. That don't make any sense.
Mark Normand 46:28 Well, we're still waiting on the bullet train. That started 25 years ago.
Joe Rogan 46:31 Oh, that was billions.
Mark Normand 46:32 Billions.
Joe Rogan 46:33 Billions.
Mark Normand 46:33 Still not done.
Joe Rogan 46:34 Billions, nothing.
Mark Normand 46:34 Meanwhile, Japan is whizzing all over the place at light speed.
Joe Rogan 46:37 Have you ever seen... I think it's in China. There's one that they debuted, they showed in China, and it's just whizzing by these people, and you get to see how fast it is in real time when you're standing next to it.
Mark Normand 46:46 No.
Joe Rogan 46:47 It's bonkers, dude.
Mark Normand 46:48 Man.
Joe Rogan 46:49 It's just... And you just think, the problem with that is, how much track is there?
Mark Normand 46:55 Mm.
Joe Rogan 46:55 There's a lot of track.
Mark Normand 46:57 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 46:57 How many psychos are out there that could just lay something on the track?
Mark Normand 47:01 [laughs] Well, that's more American. They don't do that shit.
Joe Rogan 47:04 Yeah, but-
Mark Normand 47:04 They're raised better
Joe Rogan 47:04 ... someone can do it.
Mark Normand 47:06 They could, but they're J- Japanese. They're repressed, so they get it all out with those, those trains.
Joe Rogan 47:12 [laughs]
Mark Normand 47:13 Right? It, it's like Nick Shirley, he's a virgin. So he's, uh, he's motivated.
Joe Rogan 47:17 Yeah, that's weird, right?
Mark Normand 47:19 It is a little weird, but I'd rather that an incel do that shit than, uh, you know, shoot up a place.
Joe Rogan 47:24 Well, there's a lot of these virgin influencers now.
Mark Normand 47:27 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 47:27 Like Nick Fuentes is a virgin, allegedly.
Mark Normand 47:29 Yeah. Weird.
Joe Rogan 47:30 This guy's a virgin.
Mark Normand 47:31 I don't trust... I don't know a lot about these virgins. That- that's, uh, feels unnatural.
Joe Rogan 47:35 It is unnatural.
Mark Normand 47:35 Go get laid. You're young. You're, you're-
Joe Rogan 47:37 It's very unnormal.
Mark Normand 47:38 Very, very strange.
Joe Rogan 47:40 Very.
Mark Normand 47:40 It's like Zoran. I don't trust an Indian who never had a job.
Joe Rogan 47:43 Ah.
Mark Normand 47:44 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 47:44 Is he Indian?
Mark Normand 47:45 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 47:45 Mamdani?
Mark Normand 47:46 I believe he's Indian.
Joe Rogan 47:47 Is he?
Mark Normand 47:48 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 47:49 So what is he? Is he Indian Muslim?
Mark Normand 47:49 I think he's from Africa, but he's, he is Indian.
Joe Rogan 47:51 Right. Yeah, he's from Africa.
Mark Normand 47:53 But have you... You never had a job? Every Indian guy I know is the hardest working dude on the planet.
Joe Rogan 47:57 He's never had a job at all?
Mark Normand 47:58 No. I think he was a rapper.
Joe Rogan 48:01 Mamdani's never had a job?
Mark Normand 48:03 No, I don't believe so. This is his first gig.
Joe Rogan 48:05 That's crazy.
Mark Normand 48:06 I know. It's-
Joe Rogan 48:07 Imagine your first gig, you're the mayor of New York City.
Mark Normand 48:09 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 48:10 On one hand, super impressive.
Mark Normand 48:11 Very impressive.
Joe Rogan 48:12 First gig, way to go. This guy's, the sky's the limit for this guy.
Mark Normand 48:15 I know.
Joe Rogan 48:16 His first job, he's the mayor-
Mark Normand 48:18 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 48:18 ... of New York City.
Mark Normand 48:19 Yeah, it's like losing your virginity to, you know, Heidi Klum.
Joe Rogan 48:22 But I think he won because he said he's not going to Israel.
Mark Normand 48:26 That was smart. And affordability.
Joe Rogan 48:29 Yeah.
Mark Normand 48:29 New York's so expensive.
Joe Rogan 48:30 Well, also, yeah, people are like, "We're tired of all the-"
Mark Normand 48:32 We're broke.
Joe Rogan 48:32 Well, the n- the narrative is the rich people are causing all your problems-
Mark Normand 48:35 Right
Joe Rogan 48:35 ... and we need to tax the rich people. But meanwhile, the rich people in New York are responsible for more than 50% of the taxes.
Mark Normand 48:40 Sure. Well, Hochul just said, "Please come back." Did you see that clip?
Joe Rogan 48:43 Yeah, good luck.
Mark Normand 48:44 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 48:45 Good luck. Good luck-
Mark Normand 48:46 And I think he seems like a nice guy. I think he's got good intentions, but it just, uh, you know, you need some experience, and you need money.
Joe Rogan 48:53 Yeah.
Mark Normand 48:53 'Cause he keeps saying free. Free buses, free healthcare, free childcare, and you're like-
Joe Rogan 48:58 Yeah
Mark Normand 48:58 ... "Stop saying free. That should be illegal." 'Cause someone has to pay for it.
Joe Rogan 49:01 Right.
Mark Normand 49:01 So-
Joe Rogan 49:01 There's nothing free.
Mark Normand 49:02 Nothing is free.
Joe Rogan 49:03 You're just adding to the bureaucracy. You're adding to the government waste. You're adding to the possibility of fraud.
Mark Normand 49:09 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 49:09 And meanwhile, you're just releasing people on the, on the streets.
Religion vs extremism: Islamists, Christian Armageddon beliefs, and cult logic
Mark Normand 49:12 Yeah, and I think, I have a theory that Muslim is cool. Muslim is like the new Black. It's cool. Muslim's hip now. It's different. It's, uh, exotic. It's fun.
Joe Rogan 49:23 The... I think the, the problem is people conflate Muslim and Islamist.
Mark Normand 49:28 Sure.
Joe Rogan 49:28 And that's two very different things. Like, I know a lot of Muslims, and they're great people.
Mark Normand 49:31 Totally.
Joe Rogan 49:32 But Islamists are people that want a global caliphate, and they want-
Mark Normand 49:36 Yes
Joe Rogan 49:36 ... you know, they want death to the infidels.
Mark Normand 49:38 Mm.
Joe Rogan 49:38 This is the difference between Iran and, like, Saudi Arabia.
Mark Normand 49:42 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 49:42 Like, Saudi Arabia are Muslims. The Iranians are Islamists.
Mark Normand 49:45 Right.
Joe Rogan 49:46 And they're, they're state-sponsored terrorism, the whole deal.
Mark Normand 49:48 Yeah, yeah. Well, any extreme. You know, like a Hasidic Jew versus a Paul Rudd.
Joe Rogan 49:53 Yes.
Mark Normand 49:54 You know?
Joe Rogan 49:54 Right, right, right.
Mark Normand 49:54 Paul Rudd's a fun guy, has a cocktail. He's a funny movie. And then a, a Hasidic Jew is like, "All right. Let me cut your foreskin off and suck the blood."
Joe Rogan 50:03 Right. Give you herpes.
Mark Normand 50:05 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 50:05 Or these crazy fucking right-wing radical Christian nationalists-
Mark Normand 50:09 Mm
Joe Rogan 50:09 ... that think that we're supposed to be over in Israel so that Jesus can come back on a white horse.
Mark Normand 50:14 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 50:15 Have you seen that?
Mark Normand 50:16 No, no.
Joe Rogan 50:17 Oh, Jamie, pull that story up that I sent you, or I could resend it to you if you want. There's-
Mark Normand 50:21 Wow
Joe Rogan 50:21 ... there's a crazy story that was on Yahoo about this guy who's a non-commissioned officer that went to a military debriefing.
Mark Normand 50:28 Wow.
Joe Rogan 50:28 So it was like a, a, a, an operation readiness meeting or a war meeting.
Mark Normand 50:33 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 50:33 And one of these fucking guys, one of these high-level commanders says, "Don't be worried because Trump is anointed by Jesus Christ to bring back the return-
Mark Normand 50:43 Oh, no
Joe Rogan 50:44 ... to bring back Jesus' return on Earth." "Commander claimed Trump was anointed by Jesus to cause Armageddon to justify the Iran attacks."
Mark Normand 50:52 Wow. [laughs] See, that's like up there with Allah will protect me.
Joe Rogan 50:57 Exactly.
Mark Normand 50:57 Same shit.
Joe Rogan 50:58 It's the same shit. It's just coming from a different religion.
Mark Normand 51:00 Yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan 51:01 But it's the same mindset. Like, look what he said. Um, see what he said... Did you find the actual quote?
Mark Normand 51:11 There you go.
Joe Rogan 51:11 "He urges to tell our troops this is all part of God's divine plan, specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelations referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ."
Mark Normand 51:22 Ay, yay, yay.
Joe Rogan 51:23 And he said, added, "The superior had a big grin on his face when he said all this, which made his message seem even more crazy."
Mark Normand 51:30 Wow.
Joe Rogan 51:31 Bro.
Mark Normand 51:32 Scary shit.
Joe Rogan 51:33 That's just as scary. Those are just-
Mark Normand 51:34 Completely
Joe Rogan 51:35 ... as scary as suicide bombers. It's like people that are, like, true believers-
Mark Normand 51:39 Yes
Joe Rogan 51:40 ... in something that, you know, objectively-
Mark Normand 51:42 Ugh
Joe Rogan 51:42 ... sounds a lot like nonsense.
Mark Normand 51:43 I would say there's less blowing up shit-
Joe Rogan 51:45 Yeah. A little, little now
Mark Normand 51:46 ... with the extreme, uh, Christian guy.
Joe Rogan 51:48 Sure, because they won. Go back to the Inquisition.
Mark Normand 51:50 Oh, okay.
Joe Rogan 51:51 When they were fucking torturing people and-
Mark Normand 51:53 That's a good point
Joe Rogan 51:54 ... you know, people for, you know, for God's word or for, you know, to, for God's service, in service of God, have done some wild shit.
Mark Normand 52:02 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 52:03 But it's just people. You know? It's just people, when they get into positions of radical belief-
Mark Normand 52:08 Mm
Joe Rogan 52:09 ... they just, they go nutty.
Mark Normand 52:11 Yeah, it's like a cult. The cult is just a microcosm of a full religion.
Joe Rogan 52:14 Exactly.
Mark Normand 52:14 You know? It's just some crazy guy who's like, "I'm gonna fuck all of you, and then we'll drink Kool-Aid."
Joe Rogan 52:19 I used to do a joke about it where I said, "A cult is a thing where a guy creates it, and that guy knows it's bullshit. In a religion, that guy's dead."
Mark Normand 52:30 Wait a minute.
Joe Rogan 52:31 Yeah.
Mark Normand 52:32 Oh, I see.
Joe Rogan 52:33 In religion, the guy who created it is dead.
Mark Normand 52:35 [laughs] Oh, right, right.
Joe Rogan 52:36 So it's like everybody just believes.
Mark Normand 52:37 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 52:38 But if, in a cult, you know, like David Koresh-
Mark Normand 52:40 Sure
Joe Rogan 52:41 ... or, you know-
Mark Normand 52:42 The, the-
Joe Rogan 52:42 ... fill in the blank, the Moonies, whatever it is.
Mark Normand 52:44 Yeah, the Kool-Aid guy.
Joe Rogan 52:44 Some guy created it, and he knew it's bullshit.
Mark Normand 52:47 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 52:47 Scientology, that guy is a science fiction author.
Mark Normand 52:50 Completely.
Joe Rogan 52:50 Exactly.
Mark Normand 52:50 L. Ron Hubbard.
Joe Rogan 52:51 But now he's dead, so it's a religion.
Mark Normand 52:53 Ah.
Joe Rogan 52:53 And they have tax-free exempt status.
Mark Normand 52:56 That's good.
Joe Rogan 52:56 They're exempt from taxes.
Mark Normand 52:58 Is that right?
Joe Rogan 52:59 Scientology.
Mark Normand 52:59 No.
Joe Rogan 53:00 Yes.
Mark Normand 53:00 That's how they can afford all that real estate in LA.
Joe Rogan 53:02 Oh, they have so much real estate.
Mark Normand 53:04 Crazy buildings.
Joe Rogan 53:05 Yeah. Crazy buildings.
Mark Normand 53:05 Right in down- downtown.
Joe Rogan 53:07 And that's the nuttiest thing about L. Ron Hubbard, is like he's one of the worst authors of all time.
Mark Normand 53:12 Oh, he stinks.
Joe Rogan 53:13 Terrible.
Mark Normand 53:14 And he's a weird-looking dude. I think he beat his wife.
Joe Rogan 53:16 Did he?
Mark Normand 53:17 Oh, yeah. He was a troubled-
Joe Rogan 53:18 You can say that 'cause he's dead.
Mark Normand 53:19 [laughs] I watched a little documentary on him. He's a troubled individual.
Joe Rogan 53:22 Well, he was definitely troubled, which is why he came up with Dianetics in the first place.
Mark Normand 53:26 Right.
Joe Rogan 53:26 He was trying to self-diagnose. He was trying to fix his own brain.
Mark Normand 53:30 But it also shows how sad and sheep-like people are, 'cause we're like, "We need something."
Joe Rogan 53:35 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 53:35 "I need something to believe in, something to go for. I'll support you. I'm alone."
Joe Rogan 53:38 Well, everybody's so lost that anybody who comes along that confidently claims they have the answer, people just follow.
Mark Normand 53:46 Yep.
Joe Rogan 53:46 Very odd.
Mark Normand 53:47 Every time.
Joe Rogan 53:47 Very odd. It's a-
Mark Normand 53:48 I-
Joe Rogan 53:49 It's like, I think it's programmed into us just, like, from the time that we were in tribes, and, you know, we had to count on the chief to be correct.
Mark Normand 53:56 Right.
Joe Rogan 53:57 You know what I mean?
Mark Normand 53:57 But I'm sure you got some, some psychos who are up your ass.
Joe Rogan 54:01 Who believe everything I say? Yeah.
Mark Normand 54:02 Yeah, 'cause you're so big. You got such a big, uh, umbrella.
Joe Rogan 54:05 Yeah, but I'm very clear that I don't know what I'm talking about.
Mark Normand 54:08 That's the key.
Joe Rogan 54:09 And if I do, uh, it's, like, very specific things. So I'm like, "I can tell you for sure that this is a fact."
Mark Normand 54:15 Right.
Joe Rogan 54:15 You know, because, you know, I'm an expert in a few things.
Mark Normand 54:18 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 54:18 But other things, I'm like, "You know, don't listen to me."
Mark Normand 54:20 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 54:21 "But this is what I think."
Mark Normand 54:23 Well, you're one of the few guys who will go, "Uh, you know what I said last week? I was wrong about that."
Joe Rogan 54:28 You have to.
Mark Normand 54:29 Nobody does that.
Joe Rogan 54:30 You gotta... Well, 'cause they're all... They all just want to be right all the time.
Mark Normand 54:33 Yes.
Joe Rogan 54:34 And they all, they all connect their identity with being correct about a... whether it's COVID or-
Mark Normand 54:40 Right
Joe Rogan 54:41 ... like COVID ruined a lot of people's credibility.
Mark Normand 54:43 100%.
Joe Rogan 54:44 Because they were all in on the vaccine, all in on this-
Mark Normand 54:46 Mm
Joe Rogan 54:46 ... all in on the lockdowns, all in on the masks.
Mark Normand 54:49 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 54:49 And then once it was revealed that all that stuff was bullshit, the vaccine didn't really prevent infection, didn't really... Those people just never came out and said, "You know what? I was wrong."
Mark Normand 54:58 I know, and that would go so far-
Joe Rogan 55:01 Mm-hmm
Mark Normand 55:01 ... but nobody will do it. And, and, and then the right and the left, they both just want their side to win, so they're like, "Just-"
Joe Rogan 55:06 Exactly.
Mark Normand 55:07 It's like when the ball goes out of bounds on your team, you're like, "I didn't see shit."
Joe Rogan 55:10 Exactly.
Mark Normand 55:10 And then the other team's like, "What are you, crazy? We got video footage."
Joe Rogan 55:13 Yeah. It's cheating.
Mark Normand 55:14 It's cheating.
Joe Rogan 55:15 You're cheating in the game of discourse.
Mark Normand 55:17 Right. Right.
Joe Rogan 55:18 Yeah. The game of discourse is you're supposed to say what you really think, and then when you think something differently, you say, "Okay, I was wrong."
Mark Normand 55:24 Yes.
Joe Rogan 55:25 You have to be able to say, "I... I was in- misinformed. I thought it was this, but it's actually that."
Mark Normand 55:30 Yeah. That's why those videos are so fun when they go to a college campus. They're like, "Can you believe what this... Trump said this?" And they go, "That's racist. He's a piece of shit." And they go, "Actually, that was Biden."
Joe Rogan 55:38 [laughs]
Mark Normand 55:38 And then they go, "Oh, well, what are you gonna do? I got class in a minute. I gotta go." [laughs]
Joe Rogan 55:44 "You don't vote for me, you ain't Black."
Mark Normand 55:46 [laughs] Yeah. He's got a-
Joe Rogan 55:47 Remember that?
Mark Normand 55:47 He's got a couple N-words too out there, by the way.
Joe Rogan 55:49 Does he?
Mark Normand 55:49 Oh, yeah. Pull it up. Biden had a few.
Joe Rogan 55:52 Well, I remember when he, he called, uh, African Americans super criminals, right?
Mark Normand 55:57 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 55:57 Or super predators. That was during the 1994 Crime Bill, which is... He was really responsible for a lot of that.
Mark Normand 56:03 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 56:04 The '94 Crime Bill, and people forget about that. Like, during the, uh, um, Clinton administration, like, Clinton, in a lot of... Clinton was a great president-
Mark Normand 56:13 Yeah, sure
Joe Rogan 56:13 ... in terms of what he did. Balanced the budget, great... Got head in the office, but, you know-
Mark Normand 56:18 Eh
Joe Rogan 56:18 ... let it go.
Mark Normand 56:19 Oral office.
Joe Rogan 56:20 Let it, let it go.
Mark Normand 56:21 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 56:21 Let it go.
Mark Normand 56:22 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 56:22 But other than that, like, he did a lot of things that were really good, but one of the things that he did that wasn't really good was the '94 Crime Bill. So many people wind up going to jail for the rest of their lives.
Mark Normand 56:33 That's true. That's true.
Joe Rogan 56:34 For that. They ruined so many families, so many lives lost.
Mark Normand 56:37 Mm. Yeah.
Joe Rogan 56:38 People that could have turned their life around, never got a chance, locked up forever.
Mark Normand 56:42 Yeah, and deported a lot of people too.
Joe Rogan 56:44 Oh, yeah. Not as much as-
Mark Normand 56:45 Big deporter
Joe Rogan 56:45 ... Biden. Or excuse me, not as much as Obama.
Mark Normand 56:47 Well, yeah. He was the king of that.
Joe Rogan 56:49 Not only did Obama deport more people than Trump, they arrested more Americans accidentally-
Mark Normand 56:56 Really?
Joe Rogan 56:56 ... than Trump. Yeah, the percentage of Americans arrested was higher, and also the deaths were higher. Also, he had two terms.
Mark Normand 57:03 True.
Joe Rogan 57:04 So you gotta think about that.
Mark Normand 57:05 True, yeah. But nobody got shot in the street.
Joe Rogan 57:09 What do you mean?
Mark Normand 57:09 Like, his ICE-
Joe Rogan 57:11 Oh
Mark Normand 57:11 ... didn't shoot anybody-
Joe Rogan 57:12 That's true
Mark Normand 57:12 ... that I know of.
Joe Rogan 57:13 No, they did. They did-
Mark Normand 57:14 Oh, come on
Joe Rogan 57:15 ... they did kill people. Yeah, they killed people. They-
Mark Normand 57:16 Civilians?
Joe Rogan 57:17 Um, I don't know if it was civilians or if it was actual, uh, illegals that they were trying to deport, but-
Mark Normand 57:24 Hmm
Joe Rogan 57:24 ... there was definitely a bunch of people that were killed. I wanna say it was somewhere in the range of 30.
Mark Normand 57:30 30?
Joe Rogan 57:31 Yeah.
Mark Normand 57:31 Well, no social media back then either.
Joe Rogan 57:34 Right. That's big.
Mark Normand 57:35 Big.
Joe Rogan 57:36 That changed everything.
Mark Normand 57:37 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 57:37 They could cover up everything back then.
Mark Normand 57:39 But wouldn't you like to talk to Obama and go, "Ah, come on," that was crazy, right?
Joe Rogan 57:42 Well, Marin talked to Obama, and he just kind of softballed him. You know, he just was like... He let Obama just kind of talk.
Mark Normand 57:50 Well-
Joe Rogan 57:50 He did it recently. He, he did it twice.
Mark Normand 57:52 Oh.
Joe Rogan 57:52 And both, both times it was kind of the same thing.
Mark Normand 57:55 But he is an icon, and he was a good president, and he seems like a cool guy.
Joe Rogan 57:58 He was a very good statesman.
Mark Normand 58:00 Yes.
Joe Rogan 58:00 Like, the way he talked was great, but he also said he was gonna protect whistleblowers, and he went back on all that. They even removed that part of the Hope and Change website.
Mark Normand 58:10 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 58:11 The Hope and Change... His Hope and Change website, when he was running for president, was all about removing whistleblowers. So what does it say here? "No documented cases of ICE agents directly killing anyone-
Mark Normand 58:21 There you go
Joe Rogan 58:21 ... such as through shootings or excessive force during Obama's presidency. However, 56 individuals died in ICE custody over that period."
Mark Normand 58:30 Hmm. Well, he did the cages.
Joe Rogan 58:31 From med... Okay, so that's how they died. So it wasn't shootings. Primarily from medical issues, like they had lead poisoning-
Mark Normand 58:39 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 58:39 ... from bullets.
Mark Normand 58:40 Whoa. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 58:40 Uh, inadequate care or, whoops, he hung himself in a two-foot cell.
Mark Normand 58:44 Ah.
Joe Rogan 58:45 With reports highlighting substandard medical treatment contributing to at least eight cases between 2010 and 2012. Most custody deaths under Obama were attributed to natural causes, heart disease. Well, you, you definitely, you're dealing with a lot of people that snuck in.
Mark Normand 59:00 Hmm.
Joe Rogan 59:01 Not suicides, hanging, or violence by agents.
Mark Normand 59:04 Aha.
Joe Rogan 59:05 Interesting.
Mark Normand 59:06 Interesting. And what's up with that wife dick?
Joe Rogan 59:09 [laughs]
Mark Normand 59:10 [laughs] Just a little levity, folks.
Joe Rogan 59:12 I wish that was true.
Mark Normand 59:14 I know. It's just a goof.
Joe Rogan 59:14 It'd be so fun.
Mark Normand 59:16 Just a goof.
Joe Rogan 59:17 I think the French one's true.
Mark Normand 59:18 The, the chef?
Joe Rogan 59:19 No. The... Candace Owens, when she was saying that, uh-
Mark Normand 59:22 No
Joe Rogan 59:22 ... Macron's-
Mark Normand 59:23 Get out of here
Joe Rogan 59:23 ... wife is a man.
Mark Normand 59:24 Come on.
Joe Rogan 59:25 Yeah.
Mark Normand 59:26 No way.
Joe Rogan 59:26 Yeah.
Mark Normand 59:27 I don't think so.
Joe Rogan 59:27 I don't... I might be wrong.
Mark Normand 59:29 I mean, she's a little, uh-
Joe Rogan 59:30 Something's odd
Mark Normand 59:31 ... she's odd. She's a little transy.
Joe Rogan 59:33 Yeah.
Mark Normand 59:34 But I don't think-
Joe Rogan 59:35 You ever see the way she sits?
Mark Normand 59:36 Pull it up. I have not.
Joe Rogan 59:37 Sits like a dude.
Mark Normand 59:39 No. What, manspread?
Joe Rogan 59:40 Oh, yeah. Yeah, manspread.
Mark Normand 59:41 Is that right?
Joe Rogan 59:42 Odd, odd l- alignment of the hips.
Mark Normand 59:45 Interesting.
Joe Rogan 59:45 Seems very masculine.
Mark Normand 59:47 Hmm.
Joe Rogan 59:47 You know, that's why men sit like that. It's not 'cause we're dicks.
Mark Normand 59:50 Right.
Joe Rogan 59:50 It's like your legs go out like that.
Mark Normand 59:52 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 59:52 Whereas women's legs go inward-
Mark Normand 59:54 Sure
Joe Rogan 59:54 ... because they have birthing hips, and the angle is different.
Mark Normand 59:58 Oh, I thought it was the ball bag.
Joe Rogan 59:59 Eh.
Mark Normand 1:00:00 Well, I'd say-
Joe Rogan 1:00:00 It's a little bit of it
Mark Normand 1:00:01 ... you're airing it out a little bit, whereas a woman-
Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Little bit
Mark Normand 1:00:03 ... has a clam, so she's... there's no, um, resistance.
Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Well, that's why you don't trust guys who sit like Ari.
Mark Normand 1:00:08 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:00:09 With that leg over the top, that cross-legged thing.
Mark Normand 1:00:12 Yeah, and ironically, he's got a huge bag.
Joe Rogan 1:00:14 He's got a big bag and a big cock.
Mark Normand 1:00:15 Crazy ju-
Joe Rogan 1:00:16 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:00:16 ... jew hog on that guy. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Little baby arm.
Mark Normand 1:00:21 [laughs] Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Big old fucking sack.
Mark Normand 1:00:24 He's doing good.
Joe Rogan 1:00:25 He's n- he's doing good down there. Watch how she sits. Boom.
Mark Normand 1:00:27 Oh.
Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Look at that.
Mark Normand 1:00:28 Yeah. Yeah, wow.
Joe Rogan 1:00:29 That's, that's how a dude sits.
Mark Normand 1:00:31 That was a, that was a-
Joe Rogan 1:00:32 That's-
Mark Normand 1:00:32 ... manly sit.
Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Even the walk. Even the-
Mark Normand 1:00:34 I know
Joe Rogan 1:00:34 ... the stature, the skeletal frame, everything.
Mark Normand 1:00:37 Looks like John Denver.
Joe Rogan 1:00:38 That's... It looks like a guy with tits.
Mark Normand 1:00:39 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Right? Boom. Look how he sits. But that's not the weirdest thing.
Mark Normand 1:00:44 Ah, come on.
Joe Rogan 1:00:44 The weirdest thing that everybody accepts, the fact that they started their relationship when "she," air quotes, was 40, and he was, like, 14 or 15.
Mark Normand 1:00:52 That's crazy.
Joe Rogan 1:00:53 That's crazy.
Mark Normand 1:00:53 If that was reversed, guy to girl-
Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Right
Mark Normand 1:00:55 ... that would be a headline.
Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Exactly.
Mark Normand 1:00:57 Big time.
Joe Rogan 1:00:58 But it's French. It's in France-
Mark Normand 1:01:00 True
Joe Rogan 1:01:00 ... so they're like, "Uh, we're different in France."
Mark Normand 1:01:03 They're sexual people. They, they didn't fuck with Me Too.In France
Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:01:06 They were like, "No, no, we like being-
Joe Rogan 1:01:08 'Cause we would take the whole country down.
Mark Normand 1:01:09 Yeah. [laughs] Yeah, that's true.
Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Men and women.
Mark Normand 1:01:11 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Look, that's a woman supposedly.
Mark Normand 1:01:13 Right. Italy, too.
Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Take her down, take 'em all down.
Mark Normand 1:01:15 It- Italy's like, "We hit the ladies and we, we, we, we catcall. That's our thing."
Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Oh, they're animals.
Mark Normand 1:01:20 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:01:21 I was in Rome with my kids in a taxi. It was just me and my kids, and this fucking driver of the taxi stopped the car in the middle of an intersection to catcal- catcall some lady-
Mark Normand 1:01:34 No way
Joe Rogan 1:01:34 ... who had a big ass, who was walking across the street.
Mark Normand 1:01:37 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:01:37 He says, "Mama mia, mama mia, look at that ass."
Mark Normand 1:01:39 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:01:40 And he just kept driving. I was like, "These people are animals."
Mark Normand 1:01:42 It's kinda charming with that voice, though.
Joe Rogan 1:01:45 It is, but you gotta realize, like, if you're in Rome, these are the descendants of the people that were there when the Colosseum was running.
Mark Normand 1:01:53 Sure.
Joe Rogan 1:01:53 These are the people that were there when the fucking Roman games, when Rome was conquering the world. Of course they're savages.
Mark Normand 1:01:59 Right, right. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:02:00 Of course. They're the descendants of savage, direct descendants of the, some of the most savage people that ever walked the face of the earth.
Mark Normand 1:02:07 Yeah, those gladiators and shit.
Joe Rogan 1:02:08 The Roman Empire.
Mark Normand 1:02:09 They fought lions.
Joe Rogan 1:02:10 They took over everything.
Mark Normand 1:02:11 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:02:11 And then they, they got the Vatican right there, which is a weird-
Mark Normand 1:02:14 Oh, yeah
Joe Rogan 1:02:15 ... fucking country that's in the middle of their city.
Mark Normand 1:02:17 I think that's a good balance.
Joe Rogan 1:02:18 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:02:18 They got crazy shit with the orgies, the wine, and then the gay stuff, and then they got the Vatican. That's, to me, that's kinda healthy.
Joe Rogan 1:02:24 Jesus gives you a free pass. You just gotta say you're sorry.
Mark Normand 1:02:27 Right. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Just gotta confess.
Mark Normand 1:02:29 Best loophole of all time was that confession bullshit.
Joe Rogan 1:02:32 I think they did that just to get information on people in, in the town.
Mark Normand 1:02:35 Ooh.
Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Find out what they were doing.
Mark Normand 1:02:36 That's true.
Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Like, "Hey, God says it's okay. You still go to heaven."
Mark Normand 1:02:40 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:02:41 "You gotta tell, tell the priest." And the priest, like, immediately went and told the mayor.
Mark Normand 1:02:44 Oh.
Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Yeah, that's what I think.
Mark Normand 1:02:46 Informing.
Joe Rogan 1:02:47 100%.
Mark Normand 1:02:48 Never thought of it that way.
Joe Rogan 1:02:48 Of course. How else would you get people to tell all the dirty shit that they're doing, all the crime they're committing?
Mark Normand 1:02:54 Oh, God. I-
Joe Rogan 1:02:55 That's the way you get 'em
Mark Normand 1:02:56 ... I went to Catholic school. I told those fuckers everything.
Joe Rogan 1:02:58 Did you?
Mark Normand 1:02:59 I was in the box going, "I jerked off to my aunt." [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:03:02 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:03:02 "She's got huge tits." I, I, I really went off in there. It was like a podcast.
Joe Rogan 1:03:06 I never got to sit in one. I went to Catholic school only for one year.
Mark Normand 1:03:09 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:03:09 When I was first grade.
Mark Normand 1:03:10 Did you make it out?
Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Oh, I made it out, and I was like, "I'm never going back again." It, it queered me off of religion forever.
Mark Normand 1:03:16 [laughs] That's a weird term to go with.
Joe Rogan 1:03:18 I was like, "This is not real." Like, that-
Mark Normand 1:03:19 Of course
Joe Rogan 1:03:20 ... this lady, I don't remember anybody's name from the time when I was six, but Sister Mary Josephine, I'll remember that cunt till the day I die.
Mark Normand 1:03:27 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:03:27 She was so mean, and I was so confused, 'cause I had only been with my mom and my dad and my grandparents, who were all nice to me.
Mark Normand 1:03:36 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:03:37 I'd never been around anybody mean to me.
Mark Normand 1:03:39 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:03:39 And then all of a sudden I'm around this vicious bitch-
Mark Normand 1:03:42 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:03:42 ... who's supposed to be, like, the person of God.
Mark Normand 1:03:45 Exactly, but they would rap your knuckles.
Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Oh, yeah.
Mark Normand 1:03:47 I think they were all repressed or something.
Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Oh, 100%.
Mark Normand 1:03:49 They needed some vitamin D.
Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Yeah, get that dick.
Mark Normand 1:03:52 [laughs] Get that crucifix in there.
Joe Rogan 1:03:53 They didn't get no dick. That's a crazy rule, too. You can't fuck, and you know why they came up with that rule?
Mark Normand 1:03:57 No.
Joe Rogan 1:03:57 'Cause all the priests were fucking everybody, 'cause they were the rock stars.
Mark Normand 1:04:00 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:04:02 They were the guy who talks to Jesus.
Mark Normand 1:04:04 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:04:04 He's the guy on stage.
Mark Normand 1:04:05 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:04:05 The guy on stage. Homeney, homeney, lagena.
Mark Normand 1:04:07 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:04:08 And he's just fucking 'em all.
Mark Normand 1:04:10 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:04:10 And then they decided, "Hey, you can't fuck if you wanna be a priest."
Mark Normand 1:04:14 But then they went to kids.
Joe Rogan 1:04:15 Of course, that's what happens. You're only gonna get gay guys or pedophiles who are interested in that.
Mark Normand 1:04:20 Uh-huh.
Joe Rogan 1:04:20 The gay guys fuck each other. The pedophiles try to get the kids.
Mark Normand 1:04:23 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:04:23 'Cause you get isolated time with the kids.
Mark Normand 1:04:25 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:04:25 Like teachers, like how many teachers get caught?
Mark Normand 1:04:27 Teachers.
Joe Rogan 1:04:28 One of my kids' schools, they just busted a guy.
Mark Normand 1:04:30 Get the fuck outta here.
Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Back in Calabasas.
Mark Normand 1:04:33 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:04:33 Viewpoint. My kid went and took this guy's classes for I think two or three years.
Mark Normand 1:04:38 What?
Joe Rogan 1:04:39 Yep. He was taking upskirts photos-
Mark Normand 1:04:42 Whoa
Joe Rogan 1:04:42 ... inappropriate photos, was jerking off to them, admitted that, uh, they, the ph- the photos made his heart race, and seeing these kids-
Mark Normand 1:04:49 Whoa
Joe Rogan 1:04:49 ... full on pedophile was a part of this, like, very nice private school-
Mark Normand 1:04:55 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:04:55 ... for, I think he was there for six or seven years.
Mark Normand 1:04:58 Did you meet him?
Joe Rogan 1:04:59 I must have.
Mark Normand 1:05:00 Oh my Lord.
Joe Rogan 1:05:00 I must have.
Mark Normand 1:05:01 You shook this guy's hand and-
Joe Rogan 1:05:02 I must have. He was my kid's teacher. I must have met him.
Mark Normand 1:05:05 You-
Joe Rogan 1:05:05 I don't remember him
Mark Normand 1:05:06 ... you got daughters.
Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Uh-huh. Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:05:07 Oh.
Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:05:08 Mama.
Joe Rogan 1:05:09 Luckily nothing happened to them, but they remember he talked too much.
Mark Normand 1:05:12 Huh, interesting.
Joe Rogan 1:05:13 My daughter said he just kept, he just wouldn't shut the fuck up. He talked too much.
Mark Normand 1:05:16 Spitting game.
Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Ah. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:05:19 But what a- what about these, uh, Florida whores who keep banging the students? There's something-
Joe Rogan 1:05:23 Give 'em a pass
Mark Normand 1:05:23 ... there's like an epidemic going on.
Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Give 'em a pass.
Mark Normand 1:05:25 I mean, look, I'm not knocking it, but, uh-
Joe Rogan 1:05:27 That's different
Mark Normand 1:05:28 ... I think that p- beats priests now.
Joe Rogan 1:05:30 It's only okay if they're hot.
Mark Normand 1:05:32 Sure, but they, they, some of 'em are like, "Damn, I'd fuck her."
Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Exactly. Those are okay.
Mark Normand 1:05:36 I don't know about okay, it's still-
Joe Rogan 1:05:37 But if it's some big troll looking lady with no neck-
Mark Normand 1:05:40 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:05:41 ... her, her chin starts at her, her neck, goes straight down to her chest.
Mark Normand 1:05:45 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:05:46 Yeah. Some Jabba the Hutt looking beast, you'd be like, "You monster."
Mark Normand 1:05:49 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:05:49 "What'd you do to that boy?"
Mark Normand 1:05:50 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:05:51 But if it's some blonde lady with big tits and glassy eyes, like, eh, she's probably on SSRIs.
Mark Normand 1:05:55 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Didn't know what she was doing.
Mark Normand 1:05:57 Sure, and maybe, like, the husband can't get it up, and this, 'cause it's a virile-
Joe Rogan 1:06:00 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:06:00 ... 14-year-old, uh, basketball player or something.
Joe Rogan 1:06:03 Yeah. How about that w- lady who was a mayor? She was a mayor at some town in, like, Louisiana, and she was fucking some 16-year-old.
Mark Normand 1:06:10 Yes. That was crazy.
Joe Rogan 1:06:12 Yeah. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:06:12 And they show the husband all over the news. I'm like, "This poor fucking guy. What a cuck."
Joe Rogan 1:06:15 Poor fucking guy.
Mark Normand 1:06:16 Man.
Joe Rogan 1:06:17 Fucking wife is getting banged by a high school basketball player
Mark Normand 1:06:20 And she was pretty
Joe Rogan 1:06:21 She was hot.
Mark Normand 1:06:22 Very pretty
Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Not that, kinda MILFy
Mark Normand 1:06:24 Kinda MILFy, for sure
Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:06:25 But that's the thing, I have a bit about it. They never show the kid. I wanna see that kid.
Joe Rogan 1:06:28 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:06:29 What's he? Is he a, some kinda young stud?
Joe Rogan 1:06:31 Yeah, a lot of them are
Mark Normand 1:06:32 Okay
Joe Rogan 1:06:33 You just can't see him because they're in a... it's inappropriate-
Mark Normand 1:06:35 Sure
Joe Rogan 1:06:36 ... 'cause they're underage, and they're victims
Mark Normand 1:06:38 Of course
Joe Rogan 1:06:38 You ever hear Zach Galifianakis' joke?
Mark Normand 1:06:40 Ah, died high-fiving?
Joe Rogan 1:06:41 Yes. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:06:42 [laughs] That's a great joke
Joe Rogan 1:06:44 Great joke
Mark Normand 1:06:45 He was a great joke writer
Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Oh, he's a great comic
Mark Normand 1:06:47 Great comic
Hollywood, fame, aging, and cosmetic dysmorphia (J.Lo to Barry Manilow)
Joe Rogan 1:06:48 Well, Live from the, the, um-
Mark Normand 1:06:50 Purple Onion
Joe Rogan 1:06:50 ... Purple Onion, yeah
Mark Normand 1:06:51 Yes, yes
Joe Rogan 1:06:51 Great fucking special
Mark Normand 1:06:52 Great special. He had that thing where he'd get fake angry and play the piano. He was-
Joe Rogan 1:06:56 He's a good dude too
Mark Normand 1:06:58 Good guy
Joe Rogan 1:06:58 He's a really good dude. Like, every time I've had interactions with him, I'm like, "This is a so-" He's, like, not Hollywood at all.
Mark Normand 1:07:05 No, no, he's a South Carolina guy
Joe Rogan 1:07:07 Bought a farm, lives on-
Mark Normand 1:07:08 Oh, yeah
Joe Rogan 1:07:08 ... a farm now. Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:07:09 See?
Joe Rogan 1:07:10 I mean, he bar- barely works
Mark Normand 1:07:11 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:07:12 He just ki- kinda lives his life
Mark Normand 1:07:14 I mean, he's kind of a phenom-
Joe Rogan 1:07:15 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:07:15 ... 'cause his stand-up was good, and then he just, like... You know, Todd Phillips fought for him in The Hangover.
Joe Rogan 1:07:20 Oh.
Mark Normand 1:07:20 They're like, "We don't know this fucking guy. He's a nobody." And he's like, "I'm telling you, this guy's good." And he, he stole the movie
Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Stole the movie, yeah. No, he's a great comic. And that Between Two Ferns thing-
Mark Normand 1:07:28 Oh, it was brilliant
Joe Rogan 1:07:30 ... amazing. Amazing
Mark Normand 1:07:30 Brilliant
Joe Rogan 1:07:31 No, he's great, man
Mark Normand 1:07:32 Yeah, he just gets you on, uh... He had Seinfeld on, he's trashing him.
Joe Rogan 1:07:35 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:07:35 He's trashing, uh, Paul Rudd. He's got, like, a, all these... Ah, it's great
Joe Rogan 1:07:39 He was a, a, a great friend to Brody too
Mark Normand 1:07:42 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:07:43 When Brody was going through one of his, uh, moments where he got off medication, and he got a little crazy-
Mark Normand 1:07:49 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:07:49 ... we started noticing it at the store, like, instead of being funny, he was on stage, he would actually get angry. It was, like, really weird.
Mark Normand 1:07:55 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 1:07:56 And he came back, but for... there was a while where he was, like, really lost it, and Zach reached out, and he's like, "Don't interact with him. We're trying to get him treatment. We're trying to get him back on his meds." Like, he's, he went off his meds
Mark Normand 1:08:06 I love it
Joe Rogan 1:08:07 He's a good dude
Mark Normand 1:08:08 Good dude
Joe Rogan 1:08:08 So- solid dude
Mark Normand 1:08:09 There's a video on YouTube
Joe Rogan 1:08:10 They're out there
Mark Normand 1:08:11 Yeah, they're out there
Joe Rogan 1:08:11 They're out there
Mark Normand 1:08:12 He's-
Joe Rogan 1:08:12 Solid, solid people are out there
Mark Normand 1:08:13 He's a normal guy, and you can tell these Holly... I feel like Hollywood is, like, COVID, where it fucks your brain up eventually.
Joe Rogan 1:08:19 Mm-hmm
Mark Normand 1:08:19 And he got out and moved to a farm
Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:08:21 So that's how you know he's sane
Joe Rogan 1:08:22 But there's people that are in Hollywood that stay solid. Like, when I had Matt Damon and Ben Affleck on, I was like, "I'd be friends with these guys."
Mark Normand 1:08:30 Yeah, I listened to that one
Joe Rogan 1:08:31 They're, they're normal off s- off the mic-
Mark Normand 1:08:33 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:08:34 ... on the mic, they're cool. Like, they're-
Mark Normand 1:08:36 They're cool over there in the-
Joe Rogan 1:08:36 They're re-
Mark Normand 1:08:37 ... in the lobby?
Joe Rogan 1:08:37 Yeah, they're regular. They talk to everybody. Like, I've met Matt Damon a few times.
Mark Normand 1:08:41 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 1:08:41 I actually ran into him in Italy.
Mark Normand 1:08:43 Hmm
Joe Rogan 1:08:43 It was really crazy. In a restaurant where he was sitting below a photo of him
Mark Normand 1:08:48 Oh, weird
Joe Rogan 1:08:48 'Cause there's photos of all these celebrities that come and eat at this place.
Mark Normand 1:08:52 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:08:52 And, and he was one of them, and he was there, and he was sitting there, like... And then I wa- I'd met him before, so I, I go, "Hey, Matt." I go... He was like, "Oh, what's up?" I was like, "Cr-" But he's cool. He's normal.
Mark Normand 1:09:03 Wow
Joe Rogan 1:09:03 He's, like, a regular guy
Mark Normand 1:09:04 Well, he hit the lottery with that script
Joe Rogan 1:09:06 I know, right?
Mark Normand 1:09:07 Yeah, and they're both-
Joe Rogan 1:09:08 Aren't they amazing?
Mark Normand 1:09:08 ... like, good-looking. They're nice. They're cool. Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:09:10 They're smart
Mark Normand 1:09:11 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:09:11 They're really s- like, Ben Affleck is underrated intelligence. Like, when he was-
Mark Normand 1:09:15 Really?
Joe Rogan 1:09:15 ... talking about AI and what AI is actually promising versus what they're actually capable of, what they're really trying to do is increase their market cap-
Mark Normand 1:09:23 Mm
Joe Rogan 1:09:23 ... and get more money invested. I'm like, "Oh." Clever
Mark Normand 1:09:27 Clever. And he, I think he sold, signed some deal with them-
Joe Rogan 1:09:30 Mm-hmm
Mark Normand 1:09:30 ... for millions and, like-
Joe Rogan 1:09:31 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:09:31 ... changed the game with Netflix
Speaker 1:09:32 Big time
Mark Normand 1:09:33 Big time
Joe Rogan 1:09:34 Yeah
Speaker 1:09:34 It's a fucking giant, giant deal
Mark Normand 1:09:36 Big deal
Joe Rogan 1:09:37 Was that, that for-
Speaker 1:09:38 For roughly $600 million, they said
Joe Rogan 1:09:39 Was that for The Rip?
Speaker 1:09:40 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He sold an AI company
Joe Rogan 1:09:43 Oh
Speaker 1:09:43 That's why he knows so much about it
Joe Rogan 1:09:45 Oh, that makes sense
Mark Normand 1:09:45 He kinda broke it down on here, and then, like, two weeks later, he sold it
Joe Rogan 1:09:48 Mm, that makes sense
Mark Normand 1:09:49 He's ahead of the curve, that guy
Joe Rogan 1:09:51 Yeah, both of those guys are good, and they've stayed friends forever. Yeah
Mark Normand 1:09:55 And banging JLo for th- that many years has gotta...
Joe Rogan 1:09:58 He gave it his best
Mark Normand 1:09:59 I mean-
Joe Rogan 1:09:59 Tried to tame that horse
Mark Normand 1:10:00 She sucks
Joe Rogan 1:10:02 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:10:03 [laughs] She's quite a Clydesdale
Joe Rogan 1:10:04 Oh, I bet she's so fun though
Mark Normand 1:10:06 Yeah, but I think she's malignant narcissist
Joe Rogan 1:10:09 Duh
Mark Normand 1:10:10 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:10:12 [laughs] But by the way, that's the only way you stay that hot when you're 80 years old
Mark Normand 1:10:16 Smoke show
Joe Rogan 1:10:17 She's a smoke show
Mark Normand 1:10:18 Yeah, that rump is, uh, uh, award-winning
Joe Rogan 1:10:19 She could completely be a granny-
Mark Normand 1:10:21 I know
Joe Rogan 1:10:21 ... and she looks fucking amazing
Mark Normand 1:10:23 I wanna put a blue ribbon on that heinie
Joe Rogan 1:10:25 You gotta be a narcissist to keep that up
Mark Normand 1:10:27 I guess so
Joe Rogan 1:10:28 I mean, the skin, her skin's perfect
Mark Normand 1:10:30 Everything
Joe Rogan 1:10:31 How does it... And it doesn't look crazy, like filler-
Mark Normand 1:10:33 No
Joe Rogan 1:10:33 ... nutty. It just looks, like, pure
Mark Normand 1:10:35 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:10:35 Like she's just not aging
Mark Normand 1:10:37 I know
Joe Rogan 1:10:38 Nuts
Mark Normand 1:10:39 That's, that's the Puerto Rican blood, I guess
Joe Rogan 1:10:41 And maybe it's that. It's good genetics, for sure, but it's also just upkeep and care and aware, being aware-
Mark Normand 1:10:47 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 1:10:47 ... of what you look like and taking care of yourself
Mark Normand 1:10:49 Right
Joe Rogan 1:10:49 Like, I saw, um, one of those Instagram things where they showed people from, like, the '80s, how old they were.
Mark Normand 1:10:55 Yes, I've seen that
Joe Rogan 1:10:56 Like Archie Bunker.
Mark Normand 1:10:57 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:10:57 Archie Bunker when he was playing Archie Bunker, when Ed O'Connell was playing Garphe... He's 10 years younger than me
Mark Normand 1:11:02 Carroll O'Connor
Joe Rogan 1:11:03 Carroll O'Connor.
Mark Normand 1:11:03 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:11:03 That's right. He was 10 years younger than me now
Mark Normand 1:11:05 Whoa
Joe Rogan 1:11:06 Right?
Mark Normand 1:11:07 I think they did a Cocoon one with Paul Rudd-
Joe Rogan 1:11:09 Right
Mark Normand 1:11:09 ... and, uh, Ed, Ed Brimley
Joe Rogan 1:11:11 Yes. Same age
Mark Normand 1:11:12 He was, like, 48. 48. You know Mrs. Robinson was 39?
Joe Rogan 1:11:17 What?
Mark Normand 1:11:17 39 in The Graduate, and she's, like, the old bag
Joe Rogan 1:11:20 That's crazy
Mark Normand 1:11:22 39. Now they got 39-year-olds walking on 6th Street who look like, uh, you know, Cindy Crawford
Joe Rogan 1:11:27 Right. They're hot
Mark Normand 1:11:28 I gotta update my hot women. Megan Fox.
Joe Rogan 1:11:30 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:11:30 There you go. [laughs] I'm stuck in the '90s
Joe Rogan 1:11:32 [laughs] Yeah. It's odd, man
Mark Normand 1:11:36 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:11:38 Oh, she-
Mark Normand 1:11:38 Look at that
Joe Rogan 1:11:38 ... she looked 39
Mark Normand 1:11:39 I guess so
Joe Rogan 1:11:40 Like 39 in the '80s
Mark Normand 1:11:41 But that's Mel Brooks' wife, you know?
Joe Rogan 1:11:43 Yeah, that, that's what 39 looked like. That looks like 69
Mark Normand 1:11:46 I think she's pretty sexy
Joe Rogan 1:11:48 Not bad
Mark Normand 1:11:48 Look at that
Joe Rogan 1:11:49 Ooh, not bad
Mark Normand 1:11:50 Come on. Look at that
Joe Rogan 1:11:50 Especially for someone who never went to the gym. Like-
Mark Normand 1:11:52 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:11:52 ... ladies, they didn't do nothing back then. They w-
Mark Normand 1:11:55 You-
Joe Rogan 1:11:55 They walked
Mark Normand 1:11:56 Well, and the dudes too could be completely no definition and still be, like, a leading man
Joe Rogan 1:12:01 Right. The only one who was, like, really ripped back then was Charles Bronson
Mark Normand 1:12:04 Well, yeah
Joe Rogan 1:12:05 That motherfucker
Mark Normand 1:12:06 Action star
Joe Rogan 1:12:07 Yeah, but he was... I mean, even before he was an action star, like, that guy was just fit
Mark Normand 1:12:11 Fit. He, like, wiry
Joe Rogan 1:12:13 You know, when he did Hard Times, that movie?
Mark Normand 1:12:14 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:12:15 He was 50
Mark Normand 1:12:16 No
Joe Rogan 1:12:16 Yes
Mark Normand 1:12:17 Wow
Joe Rogan 1:12:18 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:12:18 That's impressive
Joe Rogan 1:12:19 Shredded
Mark Normand 1:12:20 Well, all these, uh, Liam Neeson-
Joe Rogan 1:12:20 No TRT
Mark Normand 1:12:21 ... Liam Neeson's old in, uh, Taken
Speaker 1:12:23 I was looking this up. The Golden Girls were all playing, like, 10 years younger than what they were
Mark Normand 1:12:27 Wow
Joe Rogan 1:12:28 Oh, nuts.
Mark Normand 1:12:29 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:12:29 That's nuts
Mark Normand 1:12:31 Wow. 53.
Joe Rogan 1:12:32 They were playing 79, she was 62. She was playing 53, but she was 63? Oh, wow.
Mark Normand 1:12:39 Wow, that was a great show.
Joe Rogan 1:12:40 She's playing 53 and she's 52. The, the one lady, that's crazy.
Mark Normand 1:12:44 She's wonderful.
Joe Rogan 1:12:44 Bea Arthur, Rue McClanahan-
Mark Normand 1:12:46 Wow
Joe Rogan 1:12:47 ... Betty White.
Mark Normand 1:12:47 And is Betty White still alive?
Joe Rogan 1:12:49 Nah, she kicked it years ago.
Mark Normand 1:12:50 Well, how old was she?
Speaker 1:12:51 That's long ago.
Joe Rogan 1:12:52 I don't know, but Keith Rich- Richards beat her.
Mark Normand 1:12:54 That guy. How?
Joe Rogan 1:12:57 How? How? He's like J.Lo. He's the male J.Lo.
Mark Normand 1:12:59 I saw the Stones at, uh, Circuit of the Americas-
Joe Rogan 1:13:01 Mm-hmm
Mark Normand 1:13:01 ... a couple years ago. Fucking incredible.
Joe Rogan 1:13:04 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:13:04 He still shreds.
Joe Rogan 1:13:06 I know, both of them.
Mark Normand 1:13:07 Both of them.
Joe Rogan 1:13:07 Jagger's out there.
Mark Normand 1:13:08 Just dancing around.
Joe Rogan 1:13:09 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:13:09 Like, Jagger's not, like, standing still. Like, have you seen-
Joe Rogan 1:13:13 No
Mark Normand 1:13:13 ... it was one of those old guys, it was in Vegas. Like, one of them guys from, like, the fucking '60s that's-
Joe Rogan 1:13:18 Like a Wayne Newton type?
Speaker 1:13:19 Yeah, I know who you're talking about.
Joe Rogan 1:13:20 Yeah, what is his name?
Speaker 1:13:21 Frankie Valli.
Joe Rogan 1:13:22 Frankie Valli.
Mark Normand 1:13:22 Oh, Valli.
Joe Rogan 1:13:23 Bro, it's like all lip syncing, and he can't-
Mark Normand 1:13:26 Ugh
Joe Rogan 1:13:26 ... move his lips anymore.
Mark Normand 1:13:27 Yeah, believe it.
Joe Rogan 1:13:27 And he looks like a statue.
Mark Normand 1:13:29 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 1:13:30 It's odd.
Mark Normand 1:13:31 That is odd, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:13:32 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:13:32 Those guys have gotta hang it up.
Joe Rogan 1:13:33 Meanwhile, Mick Jagger's, "Button your lip, baby."
Mark Normand 1:13:36 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:13:36 Dancing, moving around.
Mark Normand 1:13:38 I know.
Joe Rogan 1:13:38 I mean, like... And they did a 90-minute show.
Mark Normand 1:13:40 Wow.
Joe Rogan 1:13:41 Cranking it.
Mark Normand 1:13:41 He's gotta be on-
Joe Rogan 1:13:42 Here he is
Mark Normand 1:13:42 ... peptides or something.
Joe Rogan 1:13:43 Look at this guy.
Mark Normand 1:13:43 Oh, this guy's dead in the water.
Joe Rogan 1:13:44 Let me hear some of this.
Mark Normand 1:13:47 This is, like, Mitch McConnell. I mean, he's just stiff.
Joe Rogan 1:13:49 But he's, like, a board.
Mark Normand 1:13:51 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:13:52 You got any volume on this bitch?
Mark Normand 1:13:53 Poor bastard.
Joe Rogan 1:13:54 Here we go.
Speaker 1:13:54 Someone talking about it.
Joe Rogan 1:13:55 Oh.
Mark Normand 1:13:55 Well, hats off to, to still go out there.
Joe Rogan 1:13:58 He probably has to.
Mark Normand 1:13:59 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:14:00 Right?
Mark Normand 1:14:00 He's got debt?
Joe Rogan 1:14:01 Have you seen Barry Manilow?
Mark Normand 1:14:02 No.
Joe Rogan 1:14:03 Ooh.
Mark Normand 1:14:03 Rough?
Joe Rogan 1:14:04 Weird.
Mark Normand 1:14:05 Really?
Joe Rogan 1:14:05 Go to, go to Barry Manilow's Instagram. He sings, but he's got, like, filler, and it looks like his chin's disappearing.
Mark Normand 1:14:14 Ugh.
Joe Rogan 1:14:15 And I don't know how old he is.
Mark Normand 1:14:17 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:14:17 But he's not that old. Like, look at this.
Mark Normand 1:14:20 Oh, they start to look trans.
Speaker 1:14:23 [singing]
Mark Normand 1:14:24 God, this is weird. It's like an animatronic at-
Joe Rogan 1:14:26 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:14:27 ... Chuck E. Cheese.
Joe Rogan 1:14:27 [laughs] Right? That's what it's like.
Speaker 1:14:31 [singing]
Mark Normand 1:14:31 Oh.
Joe Rogan 1:14:31 But that's not even a weird one. Go to his, uh, his, well, the one on the far right. Right there.
Mark Normand 1:14:36 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:14:36 Click on that one. Listen to him talk.
Speaker 1:14:38 Barry Manilow here. Well, looks like I made it.
Mark Normand 1:14:41 [laughs] He's like Kermit the Frog.
Speaker 1:14:42 I think that's fabulous.
Joe Rogan 1:14:43 Look at his hair.
Mark Normand 1:14:44 That's all fake.
Joe Rogan 1:14:44 Is there any chance... How much would you bet that that's a wig?
Mark Normand 1:14:48 I-
Joe Rogan 1:14:48 Everything I own
Mark Normand 1:14:49 ... it's all fake. Everything's fake.
Joe Rogan 1:14:50 Everything. But the, the face is like, guy, let yourself just age. Don't do the filler and the bo- now this is when he was younger.
Mark Normand 1:14:58 Yeah, he's a handsome guy.
Joe Rogan 1:14:58 So this is, this looks good. This looks legit.
Mark Normand 1:15:02 Wow.
Joe Rogan 1:15:02 I mean, it just... When they start pumping stuff into their cheeks, it's just like, look at her, he got stung by bees. It's just weird.
Mark Normand 1:15:09 Yeah, it's weird. And-
Joe Rogan 1:15:10 It's a weird look
Mark Normand 1:15:12 ... we all know. Just what do you do? It looks weirder. It's look- it's worse.
Joe Rogan 1:15:15 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:15:15 Just age.
Joe Rogan 1:15:16 I know.
Mark Normand 1:15:17 We like age.
Joe Rogan 1:15:18 With women it gets really strange, 'cause there's a thing that bodybuilders get and anorexics get, body dysmorphia, where you can't see yourself the way other people see you.
Mark Normand 1:15:28 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:15:28 So you don't realize that it's weird that your cheeks are that big.
Mark Normand 1:15:31 Yeah. Is that what it is?
Joe Rogan 1:15:33 Oh, yeah.
Mark Normand 1:15:34 Well, you know when you're, you're, you're drawing something and you're painting and you're like, "All right, it's done. Eh, I'll add a little more."
Joe Rogan 1:15:38 I know.
Mark Normand 1:15:38 "I'll add a little more." And then before you know it, you ruined it.
Joe Rogan 1:15:41 Well, you get obsessed with the little minutiae, and you're just focusing on weird parts of your face.
Mark Normand 1:15:46 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:15:47 It's like, maybe you got a weird little smile line right here-
Mark Normand 1:15:49 Right
Joe Rogan 1:15:50 ... and you don't like it, and you're like, "Fill it in."
Mark Normand 1:15:51 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:15:52 Like, eh, it swells up, you're like, "Good."
Mark Normand 1:15:54 Yeah, and they get used to it.
Joe Rogan 1:15:55 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:15:55 We see them after eight months, and you're like, "Good God."
Joe Rogan 1:15:58 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:15:59 But they're just gradual.
Joe Rogan 1:16:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mark Normand 1:16:01 So they don't realize how crazy-
Joe Rogan 1:16:02 Didn't Ryan Gosling... Isn't, aren't people accusing him of getting a bunch of stuff in his face-
Mark Normand 1:16:06 Oh, no
Joe Rogan 1:16:06 ... now too? Like, there was some photos of him on a red carpet, it looked real weird.
Mark Normand 1:16:11 I get the hair implants.
Joe Rogan 1:16:12 I get it.
Mark Normand 1:16:13 Do that all day. But as a dude, you can age.
Joe Rogan 1:16:16 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:16:16 We're all right. We're like Jason Statham and all these guys.
Joe Rogan 1:16:18 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:16:18 They look fine.
Joe Rogan 1:16:20 Yeah, let it go. Don't-
Mark Normand 1:16:21 Let it go
Joe Rogan 1:16:21 ... don't do the filler thing. It's just, you're changing the shape of your face. It's also, there's a, th- there's a, a ratio, the golden ratio of your face.
Mark Normand 1:16:30 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:16:30 So, like, when you do something weird to your face, it throws people off.
Mark Normand 1:16:34 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:16:34 Like, your, the width of your face and the closeness of your eyes, the size of your nose, all of it fits within a certain ratio.
Mark Normand 1:16:42 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:16:42 And when that ratio's off, like when you have a really thin face but a small nose, everybody's like, "Hey."
Mark Normand 1:16:47 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:16:48 "Where's that Ari nose?"
Mark Normand 1:16:49 Right. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:16:50 "I, I need to see that big old beak-
Mark Normand 1:16:51 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:16:51 ... that makes sense with this shape."
Mark Normand 1:16:53 We like a b- I mean, look at Jennifer Grey. She cut her nose off.
Joe Rogan 1:16:56 Lost her career.
Mark Normand 1:16:57 Lost her career.
Joe Rogan 1:16:58 I know.
Mark Normand 1:16:58 And she was a cute, you know, little-
Joe Rogan 1:16:59 She was cute
Mark Normand 1:17:00 ... Jew broad.
Joe Rogan 1:17:01 Yeah, she had a big nose. Like, so what? She's beautiful.
Mark Normand 1:17:03 Beautiful.
Joe Rogan 1:17:04 It takes... You don't have to, like, be perfect.
Mark Normand 1:17:06 No.
Joe Rogan 1:17:06 Perfect ain't the way to go.
Mark Normand 1:17:07 Look at Bill Murray. That guy looks like a, an old fart.
Joe Rogan 1:17:10 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:17:11 I mean, he looks crazy, but it's Bill Murray.
Joe Rogan 1:17:13 He's a cool guy.
Mark Normand 1:17:14 I love Bill. He's my childhood hero.
Joe Rogan 1:17:16 I really enjoyed talking to him.
Mark Normand 1:17:18 Oh, yeah, you had Bill on.
Joe Rogan 1:17:19 Yeah. He was a r- he was a good one.
Mark Normand 1:17:20 That must've been pretty nerve-wracking for you, huh?
Joe Rogan 1:17:22 No. No, it was cool. He was real easy. It wasn't nerve-wracking. He was a little, like, nuts when you first meet him, but he had no idea who I was.
Mark Normand 1:17:30 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:17:31 He doesn't watch podcasts.
Mark Normand 1:17:32 Really?
Joe Rogan 1:17:32 Yeah, he had heard of me. He's like, "You're Joe?" I'm like, "Yeah." Like, he wasn't bullshitting like some Hollywood people do.
Mark Normand 1:17:38 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 1:17:38 "I'm sorry, your name is?"
Mark Normand 1:17:39 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:17:39 You know, some people... He wasn't doing that. He's not, not online, doesn't have a phone. He said he had to get a phone to talk to his kids.
Mark Normand 1:17:45 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:17:45 That's it, yeah.
Mark Normand 1:17:47 Man.
Joe Rogan 1:17:47 You know who else doesn't have a phone? Woody. Woody Harrelson, no phone.
Mark Normand 1:17:50 Really?
Joe Rogan 1:17:50 You gotta get ahold of him, you gotta go through his wife.
Mark Normand 1:17:52 Damn.
Joe Rogan 1:17:53 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:17:53 Sucks for the wife, though.
Joe Rogan 1:17:55 He's happy.
Mark Normand 1:17:56 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:17:56 He's like, "Leave me out of everything."
Mark Normand 1:17:58 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:17:59 "Leave..." You, you can't get ahold of him through email. "Leave me out of it."
Mark Normand 1:18:02 He seems interesting. I remember that SNL he did.
Joe Rogan 1:18:04 He's great.
Mark Normand 1:18:05 Where he's just outed COVID shit.
Joe Rogan 1:18:06 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:18:07 That was interesting.
Joe Rogan 1:18:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's great.
Mark Normand 1:18:09 I saw him at Kill Tony once.
Joe Rogan 1:18:11 He hangs out at the club all the time.
Mark Normand 1:18:12 Really?
Joe Rogan 1:18:12 Yeah, he's in the green room all the time. But he, like, hangs out normal. Like, a- talks to everybody, doesn't big time anybody. Like, he's talking to door guys, he's talking to fucking everybody, normal.
Mark Normand 1:18:23 Damn.
Joe Rogan 1:18:24 Yeah. He's cool.
Mark Normand 1:18:25 Cool dude. I mean, White Men Can't Jump is one of my favorites.
Joe Rogan 1:18:27 He's awesome. He's just... He's real. Like, that guy's a real... I've hung out with him multiple times now. I really enjoy talking to him. There's a few of those guys, they make it through and they're still cool, but one thing that a lot of them have in common is they stay out of-
Mark Normand 1:18:41 Right
Joe Rogan 1:18:41 ... like, social media, they stay offline. They just live.
Mark Normand 1:18:45 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:18:45 They just live.
Mark Normand 1:18:46 Yeah. Well, I was-
Joe Rogan 1:18:47 Also, he's in the cloud. You meaning [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:18:50 He's a pothead.
Joe Rogan 1:18:52 Oh.He-
Mark Normand 1:18:53 Oh, yeah
Joe Rogan 1:18:53 ... he's like w- those rappers, they call it living in the cloud.
Mark Normand 1:18:56 I've never heard that.
Joe Rogan 1:18:56 They're never not high.
Mark Normand 1:18:58 [laughs] Like a Lil Wayne or something? Or-
Joe Rogan 1:18:59 They're just high all day.
Mark Normand 1:19:02 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:19:03 Constantly high.
Mark Normand 1:19:04 I don't know how they do that shit.
Joe Rogan 1:19:06 I don't know how they do that shit either.
Mark Normand 1:19:07 Like, those people just wake and bake, and then go out and do stuff, and then they just keep smoking. I mean, there's comics in the green room in New York who'll just smoke weed for like three hours, and then go on, then do another set, and they hang out. I'm like, if I smoke weed for three hours, I'd be crying in a fetal position.
Joe Rogan 1:19:22 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:19:22 It's insane. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:19:24 Yeah, I wouldn't be getting anything done.
Mark Normand 1:19:25 No.
Joe Rogan 1:19:26 You'd be so locked in your own head, thinking about the world. But I think people's mental chemistry is different. For some people-
Mark Normand 1:19:32 Sure
Joe Rogan 1:19:33 ... I think weed is like a legitimate medicine.
Mark Normand 1:19:35 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 1:19:35 It keeps them together.
Mark Normand 1:19:36 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:19:37 And they're not hurting anybody.
Mark Normand 1:19:39 No.
Joe Rogan 1:19:40 Why is it okay to be on SSRIs and Oxycontin, but it's not okay to just live in the cloud?
Mark Normand 1:19:45 That's a good point.
Joe Rogan 1:19:46 Living, man.
Mark Normand 1:19:46 They're, they're medicating a-
Joe Rogan 1:19:47 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:19:47 ... in a little bit.
Joe Rogan 1:19:48 100%.
Mark Normand 1:19:49 I mean, that's what I was doing with alcohol as a teenager. I was so anxious and nervous, and I wanted to fit in, I would just drink for like social lube.
Joe Rogan 1:19:55 Most teenagers are doing that for that same reason. They wanna be able to go to a party and relax-
Mark Normand 1:20:00 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:20:00 ... and not feel like everybody hates them, or isolated, or weird, or-
Mark Normand 1:20:04 Right
Joe Rogan 1:20:05 ... "Who's judging me?" Just wee.
Mark Normand 1:20:07 Yeah. Like my nephew, he's 16, never drank, and he's a virgin. He's got no friends. He plays video games all day, and he gives me shit for drinking. He's like, "It's so, so unhealthy." But I'm like, "This is unhealthy."
Joe Rogan 1:20:16 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:20:16 You're just... You got, y- you got no friends. You never fingered a girl. You, you don't, you don't go to parties. Nothing.
Joe Rogan 1:20:22 It's weird that there's a lot of kids doing that now.
Mark Normand 1:20:25 85%, alcohol sales are 85% down with Gen Z.
Joe Rogan 1:20:29 What?
Mark Normand 1:20:29 85%.
Joe Rogan 1:20:30 Is that real?
Mark Normand 1:20:31 And I just started a liquor, yeah. So I'm fucked.
Joe Rogan 1:20:34 Da-
Mark Normand 1:20:35 But, uh [laughs] but yeah, it's, it's weird. I'm like, how do you cut loose? I think they're all scared of being cringe. They're all scared of being filmed.
Joe Rogan 1:20:41 Ooh.
Mark Normand 1:20:41 We were so lucky. We could just get, get after it, fuck up, drive drunk.
Joe Rogan 1:20:45 You really think that's it?
Mark Normand 1:20:46 I think that's part of it. Somebody told me that kids don't dance at dances anymore-
Joe Rogan 1:20:50 Oh
Mark Normand 1:20:50 ... because they're too scared of being go viral.
Joe Rogan 1:20:53 Oh.
Mark Normand 1:20:53 You know, "Look at this white guy dancing like an idiot. Cringe hashtag." I think that's part of it.
Joe Rogan 1:20:59 People are just so happy to catch people doing something-
Mark Normand 1:21:01 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:21:02 ... and ruining their whole life.
Mark Normand 1:21:03 That gotcha culture, it's horrible.
Joe Rogan 1:21:05 Ugh. It's horrible, and the type of people that wanna do that, they should be shamed.
Mark Normand 1:21:09 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:21:09 That is, that is a horrible behavior.
Mark Normand 1:21:12 Thousand percent agree. That's, that's where we're at. We... I mean, people scan videos just to be like, "Gotcha. Oh, you said this."
Joe Rogan 1:21:19 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:21:19 "You said that."
Joe Rogan 1:21:19 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:21:19 They go through your old tweets-
Joe Rogan 1:21:20 Mm-hmm
Mark Normand 1:21:20 ... whatever it is. But we need to flip it and make those guys get in trouble.
Joe Rogan 1:21:25 100%. It's like when someone has a false rape accusation, how come they don't go to jail? You almost made a person go to jail.
Mark Normand 1:21:32 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:21:32 But it turns out that they didn't do anything, and then you just skate.
Mark Normand 1:21:35 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:21:36 That's insane.
Mark Normand 1:21:37 They were gonna go to jail.
Joe Rogan 1:21:38 Forever.
Mark Normand 1:21:39 Forever for nothing.
Joe Rogan 1:21:40 For nothing.
Mark Normand 1:21:41 That's crazy.
Joe Rogan 1:21:41 For something you made up.
Mark Normand 1:21:42 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:21:42 And then you just skate because you're a woman?
Mark Normand 1:21:44 I know.
Joe Rogan 1:21:44 That's insane. Or you're a guy.
Mark Normand 1:21:46 Sure.
Joe Rogan 1:21:46 Like, there's guys that had fake, uh, rape accusations against other men.
Mark Normand 1:21:50 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:21:50 It's nuts.
Mark Normand 1:21:51 I know. It's a, it's a bummer, but I guess it's human nature. It's powerful. I don't know. They-
Joe Rogan 1:21:55 I know, but we should punish the people that make fake claims.
Mark Normand 1:21:58 I agree.
Joe Rogan 1:21:59 That's crazy.
Mark Normand 1:22:00 They should have to do half the time of the sentence for something.
Joe Rogan 1:22:03 Like, think about the Amber Heard, Johnny Depp thing.
Mark Normand 1:22:05 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:22:05 Like, he gets exonerated at the end of it. Everybody kind of sees her talk, and they go, "Oh, she made up a bunch of shit. He's, he's okay."
Mark Normand 1:22:11 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:22:12 But meanwhile, what happened to her? Nothing.
Mark Normand 1:22:15 Well, she was humiliated, but yeah, she lost the money I guess.
Joe Rogan 1:22:17 But when you falsely accuse someone of crimes-
Mark Normand 1:22:20 Beating her
Joe Rogan 1:22:21 ... like beating you-
Mark Normand 1:22:22 She got a makeup lady-
Joe Rogan 1:22:23 Right
Mark Normand 1:22:23 ... to put shit on her.
Joe Rogan 1:22:23 He could have gone to jail-
Mark Normand 1:22:26 I know
Joe Rogan 1:22:26 ... for 10, 15, 25 years.
Mark Normand 1:22:29 That's cruel. That's unusual.
Joe Rogan 1:22:30 Crazy.
Mark Normand 1:22:31 That psychopath.
Joe Rogan 1:22:31 And tried to ruin his life. Like, that's what... You know, Jordan Peterson talks about that, that women are... They, they're experts in reputation destruction.
Mark Normand 1:22:39 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:22:39 That's what they like to do, and that's what she was trying to do with him.
Mark Normand 1:22:41 Well, they can't fight.
Joe Rogan 1:22:43 Right.
Mark Normand 1:22:43 So that's kind of their way, I guess.
Joe Rogan 1:22:44 You know, when they kill people, you know how they do it for the most part?
Mark Normand 1:22:47 Antifreeze in the oatmeal?
Joe Rogan 1:22:48 Poison.
Mark Normand 1:22:48 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:22:49 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:22:49 They get it slow over time.
Joe Rogan 1:22:51 I was reading about this lady who wrote a book about h- helping her children get over grief.
Mark Normand 1:22:58 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:22:59 And she sold this book 'cause her husband died, and then they just arrested her for poisoning her husband.
Mark Normand 1:23:04 Oh my God. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:23:05 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:23:06 Wow.
Joe Rogan 1:23:07 She killed him. Yeah, she killed him. It was in 2022.
Mark Normand 1:23:09 At least they got her. How'd they find out?
Joe Rogan 1:23:11 But, like, she was like crocodile tears, you know.
Mark Normand 1:23:13 Oh.
Joe Rogan 1:23:13 "It was so hard for me to lose my beloved Steve," or whatever the fuck-
Mark Normand 1:23:17 Right
Joe Rogan 1:23:17 ... his name was.
Mark Normand 1:23:18 What, did she do the Rebel Wilson thing?
Joe Rogan 1:23:20 No. What'd she do?
Mark Normand 1:23:20 Oh, Jamo. She-
Joe Rogan 1:23:22 Oh, that's right
Mark Normand 1:23:23 ... accused a guy of, uh, sh- sex trafficking.
Joe Rogan 1:23:26 Se- and she accused Sacha Baron Cohen of, uh, telling her to grab, to finger his asshole.
Mark Normand 1:23:33 What?
Joe Rogan 1:23:33 When meanwhile, what he really said, it's on camera, like she was supposed to grab his ass in a scene, and he said, "You, you know, you stuck your finger right up my arse. Like, take it easy."
Mark Normand 1:23:43 Uh-huh.
Joe Rogan 1:23:43 And she said, "He told me to finger his asshole."
Mark Normand 1:23:46 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:23:46 Something along those lines.
Mark Normand 1:23:48 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:23:49 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:23:49 Why would he say that? [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:23:51 Well, he is Sacha Baron Cohen.
Mark Normand 1:23:53 Sure, sure.
Joe Rogan 1:23:54 That is Borat. He's just-
Mark Normand 1:23:55 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:23:55 So, so what did she accuse someone of?
Mark Normand 1:23:57 She accused a guy of being a sex trafficker, I believe, with children, and they caught her on a hot mic, or somebody on a hot mic saying their, their plan. They, like, spelled it out.
Joe Rogan 1:24:06 What?
Mark Normand 1:24:06 And so she's, uh, in hot water.
Joe Rogan 1:24:08 Well, she should be going to jail.
Mark Normand 1:24:10 Sure.
Joe Rogan 1:24:10 Like, that... You can ruin someone's entire life. Rebel Wilson versus The Deb. What's The Deb?
Speaker 1:24:17 That was the m- a movie.
Mark Normand 1:24:18 Oh, okay.
Joe Rogan 1:24:19 Four lawsuits explode as leaked audio alleges smear campaign against producer. Well, she was another lady that used to be really big, and then she got kind of hot.
Mark Normand 1:24:30 Eh.
Joe Rogan 1:24:30 She slim, slimmed down a little bit. So what did they actually catch her? Um, okay. Well, it says the producers f- so it says, she alleged this... Page Six reported the dispute intensified after leaked audio raised questions about an alleged smear effort linked to a crisis PR team working on her behalf. Wilson used social media to accuse billionaire Sir Len Blavat-
Mark Normand 1:24:57 Blavatnik
Joe Rogan 1:24:58 ... Blavatnik of funding both the film and the legal actions against her.It dates back to 2024.
Mark Normand 1:25:05 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:25:05 Wilson accused the film's producer, including songwriter Amanda Ghost, of inappropriate behavior towards the lead-
Mark Normand 1:25:11 Ah
Joe Rogan 1:25:11 ... played by Charlotte McInnes. She also accused them of embezzling funds from the film's budget, engaging in retaliatory behavior after she-
Mark Normand 1:25:20 Mm
Joe Rogan 1:25:20 ... raised concerns, and trying to block the film's premiere at the Toronto Film Festival.
Mark Normand 1:25:24 Yikes.
Joe Rogan 1:25:25 Pro- producers later filed a defamation suit against Wilson in Los Angeles. Wilson then filed a counter suit that expanded on her sexual harassment and embezzlement oblig- uh, allegations. Um, McLe- McInnes. McInnes? Is it McInnes? Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:25:40 Uh-huh.
Joe Rogan 1:25:40 McInnes, uh, publicly denied Wilson's claim that Ghost had sexually harassed her, and then filed her own defamation suit-
Mark Normand 1:25:47 Oy vey
Joe Rogan 1:25:47 ... against Wilson in Australia. Wow. So the lady she was saying was being sexually harassed filed a defamation suit against her. Um-
Mark Normand 1:25:57 Another twist. This is when it gets good.
Joe Rogan 1:25:59 Mm.
Mark Normand 1:25:59 Hollywood Reporter published leaked audio that allegedly captures members of Wilson's team discussing fake websites that would paint Ghost as a sex trafficking madam.
Joe Rogan 1:26:09 Wow. In the recording, one person can be heard saying, "We can't just do that. Like, oh, she's a bitch, she sucks. It's like, it's gotta be really, really heavy and connected to something that heavy."
Mark Normand 1:26:23 Ooh-wee.
Joe Rogan 1:26:24 Wow.
Mark Normand 1:26:25 Well-
Joe Rogan 1:26:26 Go to jail.
Mark Normand 1:26:28 Yeah. Well-
Joe Rogan 1:26:29 Go to jail
Mark Normand 1:26:30 ... if canceling works, you can use it, you can weaponize it.
Joe Rogan 1:26:32 She addressed the con- Wilson addressed the controversy in a series of Instagram stories. She says, "I was going to wait to take the stand, but the absolute bombardment on me as a person via heavily paid crisis PR firms recently has taken its toll, and it's impossible to say nothing," she wrote. She also said, "Everyone who knows me knows I a true rebel."
Mark Normand 1:26:53 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:26:53 Oh, she's a rebel 'cause her name's Rebel. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:26:55 Ha-ha.
Joe Rogan 1:26:56 "I say it how it is." Oh, wow. She- another post added, uh, "I am pretty strong," in all caps, "and when push comes to shove, I'm going to get on the stand and tell it like it is." Holy fuck, these people are fucking crazy.
Mark Normand 1:27:10 Scary stuff.
Joe Rogan 1:27:11 There's so many of these people that are just not just narcissists, but sociopaths at the same time.
Mark Normand 1:27:16 Right. Right.
Joe Rogan 1:27:16 Narcissist and sociopath, and then recently hot.
Mark Normand 1:27:20 [laughs] Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:27:21 So it's like new powers.
Mark Normand 1:27:22 Exactly. New powers. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:27:24 New hot powers.
Mark Normand 1:27:25 You know who I'm loving though is this Doja Cat.
Joe Rogan 1:27:28 What about her?
Mark Normand 1:27:28 So she's some pop star who I don't even know. I'm an old boomer queef. But she went after Timothée Chalamet when he made fun of ballet. Did you see that whole thing?
Joe Rogan 1:27:37 Oh, and then she said she was just virtue signaling.
Mark Normand 1:27:39 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:27:39 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:27:40 Which I, I commend her. I'm like, she apologized. She goes, "I was just trying to get clicks. I'm sorry." Like-
Joe Rogan 1:27:44 That's hilarious
Mark Normand 1:27:45 ... that's great that she, she backtracked and I, uh, she came clean. I love that.
Joe Rogan 1:27:49 It is funny that she just admitted it.
Mark Normand 1:27:51 I know.
Joe Rogan 1:27:51 She was probably high.
Mark Normand 1:27:52 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:27:52 She was probably high, like, "What am I doing?"
Mark Normand 1:27:54 Either way-
Joe Rogan 1:27:54 "What the fuck's wrong with me?"
Mark Normand 1:27:55 ... I'm on board. I- we need more of that. We need more people going, "Ah, fuck. I was, I was high and oh well."
Joe Rogan 1:28:00 Well, you know, Louis CK said this about, like, social media stuff. He goes, "It's just talk. But the problem is it's written down." Like, people say things all the time that aren't right.
Mark Normand 1:28:08 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:28:08 They shouldn't have said it, but when it's written down it's like, oh, it's documented.
Mark Normand 1:28:12 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:28:13 You know? And then everyone can read it forever. He goes, "But it's just talk."
Mark Normand 1:28:16 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:28:16 "It's just talk that you could read."
Mark Normand 1:28:18 That's true.
Joe Rogan 1:28:19 It is true.
Mark Normand 1:28:20 And it's in stone forever.
Joe Rogan 1:28:21 Right. Forever.
Mark Normand 1:28:22 On the internet.
Joe Rogan 1:28:23 And people are never gonna forget it. You could say something retarded at a party when you were drunk-
Mark Normand 1:28:26 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:28:26 ... and then call your buddy the next morning. "Bro, I don't know what the fuck I was saying. I'm sorry."
Mark Normand 1:28:30 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:28:30 But if it's written on Twitter-
Mark Normand 1:28:32 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:28:32 ... like, they'll never let you forget it.
Mark Normand 1:28:34 Again, why kids can't fuck around. They can't cut loose-
Joe Rogan 1:28:37 [sighs]
Mark Normand 1:28:37 ... 'cause they'll get written about.
Joe Rogan 1:28:38 They must be so paranoid.
Mark Normand 1:28:39 Of c- I feel bad for them. They can't enjoy youth.
Joe Rogan 1:28:42 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 1:28:42 Youth is when you do stupid shit.
Joe Rogan 1:28:44 And when kids do get shamed, like, it will... Like, if something happens to you in high school-
Mark Normand 1:28:49 Oh, it's traumatizing
Joe Rogan 1:28:50 ... it's traumatizing. And you can go back to high school. I remember going back to high school, like years later, like driving by, and I would get nervous.
Mark Normand 1:28:57 Yes. Yeah, the pit.
Joe Rogan 1:28:58 The same... Yeah. The same feeling that you got when you were going to school there, like-
Mark Normand 1:29:02 Totally
Joe Rogan 1:29:03 ... yeah. And I didn't have a horrible high school.
Mark Normand 1:29:05 No, me neither.
Joe Rogan 1:29:06 But still.
Mark Normand 1:29:07 Still, yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:29:07 Now imagine if I did. Imagine if something terrible went down-
Mark Normand 1:29:11 Right
Joe Rogan 1:29:11 ... in high school.
Mark Normand 1:29:12 Oh.
Joe Rogan 1:29:12 And I was there, like, oh my God.
Mark Normand 1:29:14 Well, you see these poor girls who get bullied for being fat, then they become anorexic-
Joe Rogan 1:29:17 Mm
Mark Normand 1:29:17 ... or whatever. It, the, it goes all kinds of different ways.
Joe Rogan 1:29:21 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 1:29:21 Guys who got beat up. I got, I got bullied pretty bad in, in school.
Joe Rogan 1:29:25 Yeah. And that can fuck with your confidence forever.
Mark Normand 1:29:27 Of course.
Joe Rogan 1:29:28 There, there's some guys that get bullied in high school, and they just never recover.
Mark Normand 1:29:31 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:29:31 Yeah.
Comedy culture wars: ‘punching down,’ pile-ons, and why discourse broke
Mark Normand 1:29:31 Now you can do that on social media in two seconds, and some kid'll kill himself.
Joe Rogan 1:29:35 Yeah. Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:29:36 Happens all the time.
Joe Rogan 1:29:37 And then there's, like, pile-ons that people do.
Mark Normand 1:29:39 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:29:40 When comics do pile-ons, I'm like, good lord.
Mark Normand 1:29:43 It's a-
Joe Rogan 1:29:43 I, I have, like, a mental list of people that do pile-ons that I'm like, I'll never fuck with you again.
Mark Normand 1:29:48 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:29:48 I'll never... I don't wanna ever talk to you.
Mark Normand 1:29:50 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:29:50 If I ever see you, I'm like, you're just, you're waiting to turn on people.
Mark Normand 1:29:54 It's strange.
Joe Rogan 1:29:55 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:29:56 W- a- and as Bill Burr would say, we're all eating a shit sandwich out here. Like, why do you have to make this harder?
Joe Rogan 1:30:00 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:30:01 We're trying to be comedians. It's like a crazy, uh, job to go for.
Joe Rogan 1:30:06 Well, one thing that they all have in common is they're all not doing well.
Mark Normand 1:30:09 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:30:10 Like, it's all comics that are failing.
Mark Normand 1:30:12 I guess so.
Joe Rogan 1:30:13 Yeah. And then they're seeing all these other people that are taking off and doing really well. Like when Shane, when they piled on Shane.
Mark Normand 1:30:18 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:30:19 It was because Shane's talented, and that they were really kinda scared of him.
Mark Normand 1:30:23 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:30:23 'Cause when someone like that guy could take off, and now he has taken off, and now they-
Mark Normand 1:30:27 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:30:27 ... now they're fucked.
Mark Normand 1:30:28 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:30:28 They can't say nothing. And then we all remember.
Mark Normand 1:30:30 Of course.
Joe Rogan 1:30:31 Like, hey, you're the cunt that piled on.
Mark Normand 1:30:33 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:30:33 And that all that shit was going on with SNL.
Mark Normand 1:30:35 You got-
Joe Rogan 1:30:36 Fuck you.
Mark Normand 1:30:36 You got mad at a comic for saying something inappropriate? That's what we do.
Joe Rogan 1:30:39 Not only that, it was completely out of context.
Mark Normand 1:30:42 I know.
Joe Rogan 1:30:42 He was pretending to be a person who'd never been in Chinatown before-
Mark Normand 1:30:46 Right, right [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:30:47 ... who was a racist.
Mark Normand 1:30:48 Exactly.
Joe Rogan 1:30:49 That was his quote.
Mark Normand 1:30:50 But they could get him 'cause he had a big gig.
Joe Rogan 1:30:52 Exactly.
Mark Normand 1:30:52 He, he got a break.
Joe Rogan 1:30:53 Exactly.
Mark Normand 1:30:53 And so now we can take that away, and that's kind of the root of it.
Joe Rogan 1:30:56 It's losers, you know? It's not like Chris Rock's not trying to take people's gigs away.
Mark Normand 1:30:59 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:30:59 You know what I mean?
Mark Normand 1:31:00 Yeah, of course.
Joe Rogan 1:31:00 It's only losers.
Mark Normand 1:31:01 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:31:01 It's only people that don't have anything going on.
Mark Normand 1:31:03 Well, Shane's got a, he's got a, he's like, uh, fucking Buscemi in Billy Madison. He's putting that lipstick on, and he's, he's got a list.
Joe Rogan 1:31:10 Good.
Mark Normand 1:31:11 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:31:11 Good.
Mark Normand 1:31:12 He knows everybody.
Joe Rogan 1:31:13 Yeah, good. Fuck those people. You don't have to do anything to them, but just know them. Know them for what they really are, and never fuck with them again.
Mark Normand 1:31:20 Yeah. Avoid them. Just keep writing jokes, keep killing, and live your life.
Joe Rogan 1:31:23 Yes, just keep killingYou don't need those fuckers. And there's always gonna be people like that in every business, in every industry. There's always people that aren't doing so well, that haven't got their life figured out.
Mark Normand 1:31:33 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:31:33 They wanna attack the people that do.
Mark Normand 1:31:35 Yeah. It's a bummer.
Joe Rogan 1:31:36 Bro, why don't we have beers? What's up with the beers?
Mark Normand 1:31:38 I brought a few in if you want one.
Joe Rogan 1:31:39 Lone Star.
Mark Normand 1:31:41 I don't like that Bud Light shit. No offense, uh-
Joe Rogan 1:31:43 I don't mind it
Mark Normand 1:31:44 ... Mulvaney.
Joe Rogan 1:31:44 I don't mind it, but I prefer a Lone Star.
Mark Normand 1:31:46 Same.
Joe Rogan 1:31:47 Cheers.
Mark Normand 1:31:47 Cheers. Hey, we're, now we're, we're mixing liquors here.
Joe Rogan 1:31:51 My dogs finally went to sleep.
Mark Normand 1:31:53 Ah, hallelujah. Oh, yeah. Oh, ah, shit, I was gonna say something. Doja Cat, that was big.
Joe Rogan 1:31:59 Cunts.
Mark Normand 1:31:59 Cunts.
Joe Rogan 1:31:59 A lot of cunts in the world.
Mark Normand 1:32:00 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:32:00 But there's a lot of great people. I think cunts are important 'cause they make you appreciate nice people.
Mark Normand 1:32:05 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:32:05 You know?
Mark Normand 1:32:06 I, I just wouldn't-
Joe Rogan 1:32:06 If I didn't know any cunts, I might, maybe I wouldn't like you.
Mark Normand 1:32:09 Right? But-
Joe Rogan 1:32:10 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:32:10 [laughs] I, I see the cunts and I wanna hug 'em. I wanna go, "Come on, what are we doing?"
Joe Rogan 1:32:14 I do, too, but it doesn't always happen. You know, I, uh, I made up with Maron.
Mark Normand 1:32:19 I heard.
Joe Rogan 1:32:20 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:32:20 Good on you.
Joe Rogan 1:32:21 Yeah, yeah.
Mark Normand 1:32:21 Well, the funny thing is you never really started anything. It was all him.
Joe Rogan 1:32:24 But it's that thing. It's like he wasn't doing so good. And he's also separate from us.
Mark Normand 1:32:28 He's doing great. He's in movies.
Joe Rogan 1:32:29 I know, but it's like he's not doing as well.
Mark Normand 1:32:32 I guess.
Joe Rogan 1:32:32 It's all comparative.
Mark Normand 1:32:34 Ah, it's so sad. I mean-
Joe Rogan 1:32:35 Comparison is the thief of joy.
Mark Normand 1:32:37 I, I agree, but he, you know, you're... He's in the Joker, he's talking to Obama. He's like-
Joe Rogan 1:32:41 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:32:41 ... he's killing it.
Joe Rogan 1:32:42 He should be killing it.
Mark Normand 1:32:43 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:32:43 You think... But it's like people compare themselves to other people. It's very h- it's very toxic. It's very bad.
Mark Normand 1:32:49 It is. It is, but it's, uh-
Joe Rogan 1:32:50 Compare yourself to who you were yesterday.
Mark Normand 1:32:52 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:32:53 Do a better job.
Mark Normand 1:32:54 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:32:54 That's it. Figure out what you sh- fucked up yesterday, do better. Compare yourself to your friends and get inspiration from it.
Mark Normand 1:33:00 Now, were you ever jealous of a guy? And-
Joe Rogan 1:33:01 Oh, yeah. Definitely
Mark Normand 1:33:02 ... and you go, "Guy, I wouldn't mind taking that guy down, or that gal down."
Joe Rogan 1:33:05 No. No, I never thought like that.
Mark Normand 1:33:07 I don't have that instinct either.
Joe Rogan 1:33:08 No.
Mark Normand 1:33:08 I go, "Ooh."
Joe Rogan 1:33:08 I never wanted to take someone down, but I definitely have felt jealousy. But then I realize that's a bitch feeling.
Mark Normand 1:33:13 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:33:14 You know? And they're like, don't... Like, you should be inspired.
Mark Normand 1:33:17 And nothing comes from it.
Joe Rogan 1:33:18 Nothing. But it's also, I came from a martial arts background where you have to have people better than you or as good as you around or you won't get better.
Mark Normand 1:33:27 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:33:27 Like, if you're, like, in competition... So if you're competing against, like, elite people all over-
Mark Normand 1:33:32 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 1:33:32 ... the country like I was doing when I was in high school and afterwards, if you don't have people in the gym that are better than you-
Mark Normand 1:33:38 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 1:33:38 ... you're gonna get fucked up. Like, you need to be around the best people in the world. Like, I had national champions in my gym.
Mark Normand 1:33:44 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:33:44 And because of that, I had to rise to a very high level. So y- they were very valuable to me.
Mark Normand 1:33:50 Sure.
Joe Rogan 1:33:51 So instead of, like, being jealous, like, "Well, he's the champ and I'm not the..."
Mark Normand 1:33:54 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:33:54 Instead of that, you're like, "I see what this guy's doing. I see what he's going through. I wanna mirror his behavior."
Mark Normand 1:33:59 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:33:59 "I wanna be inspired by him."
Mark Normand 1:34:01 Step it up.
Joe Rogan 1:34:02 And you can do that with comedy, too, with everything else.
Mark Normand 1:34:03 Yeah, but I will say martial arts is a, a more objective. That guy pinned you. That guy-
Joe Rogan 1:34:08 Right
Mark Normand 1:34:08 ... knocked you out.
Joe Rogan 1:34:09 Right.
Mark Normand 1:34:09 This is, this comedy thing is subjective and, uh, people go, "I'm funnier than that guy" And I'm like, "I've never seen you kill."
Joe Rogan 1:34:15 Right.
Mark Normand 1:34:15 So.
Joe Rogan 1:34:15 That's true. That's true.
Mark Normand 1:34:16 That, that makes it harder.
Joe Rogan 1:34:17 That is true.
Mark Normand 1:34:17 That's why we love sports.
Joe Rogan 1:34:18 Right.
Mark Normand 1:34:19 There's an ending. Ah, they, they, you got more points.
Joe Rogan 1:34:21 The basket goes in the net-
Mark Normand 1:34:23 Exactly
Joe Rogan 1:34:23 ... that's it. Or the ball goes in the basket. That's it.
Mark Normand 1:34:25 Yeah, yeah. But that's the problem. We're so tribal now that, like, people vote the right way or they, they tweet the right thing, but they're still mean as shit.
Joe Rogan 1:34:33 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 1:34:34 Like, uh, as Ari would say, good politics, bad people.
Joe Rogan 1:34:36 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:34:37 Ju- I'd rather you, I'd rather you, uh, tweet some horrible slur but be a nice guy.
Joe Rogan 1:34:43 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:34:43 Our priorities are out of whack in society.
Joe Rogan 1:34:45 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 1:34:46 I, I think we're, we're rewarding the wrong things.
Joe Rogan 1:34:48 Well, we're really confused because social media is not real.
Mark Normand 1:34:52 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:34:52 And it's not real human interaction. It's not normal. You're not supposed to be able to just write something and the people that respond just write something back. It's supposed to be dialogue.
Mark Normand 1:35:01 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:35:01 People are supposed to communicate the way we're doing. That's-
Mark Normand 1:35:04 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:35:04 ... that's how normal people talk. That way when someone says something nutty, instead of letting them go on for paragraph after paragraph, you go, "No, no, that's not true."
Mark Normand 1:35:12 Yes. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:35:12 "I never said that."
Mark Normand 1:35:13 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:35:14 "I never said that. No, you're mis- you're mis- first of all, the, you're taking something that was sarcastic-
Mark Normand 1:35:19 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:35:19 ... and you're making it like a quote as if this is, like, what my real feelings were."
Mark Normand 1:35:23 Yeah, and they kinda want it to be real, which is strange. You know, they go, "We hate racism." I heard this thing where they're like, "Bill Burr's a racist," and somebody tweeted his wife's Black. And they were like, "Well, sometimes people marry Black women to dominate them." And you're like-
Joe Rogan 1:35:34 Ah
Mark Normand 1:35:35 ... "Give it up, man."
Joe Rogan 1:35:36 You-
Mark Normand 1:35:36 And then his wife tweeted-
Joe Rogan 1:35:36 ... you don't know that relationship.
Mark Normand 1:35:37 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:35:39 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:35:40 Well, his wife tweeted after, "Shut the fuck up, bitch."
Joe Rogan 1:35:41 Yeah, good for her.
Mark Normand 1:35:42 And you're like, "There you go."
Joe Rogan 1:35:44 Yeah, good for her.
Mark Normand 1:35:45 Just go, "Oh, shit."
Joe Rogan 1:35:45 But also, don't interact with those people.
Mark Normand 1:35:47 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:35:48 They're, it's not, these are not good faith conversations.
Mark Normand 1:35:50 So do you feel good? I mean, it must be a, a load off with the Maron makeup.
Joe Rogan 1:35:54 Yeah, it was nice. I di- I never hated that guy. It was a, and w- it was a nice conversation.
Mark Normand 1:35:58 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:35:58 It was good. And we're gonna get together when he's in town.
Mark Normand 1:36:00 Oh my God.
Joe Rogan 1:36:01 We're gonna-
Mark Normand 1:36:01 This is amazing
Joe Rogan 1:36:02 ... break bread and have dinner.
Mark Normand 1:36:03 Wow.
Joe Rogan 1:36:03 I, I even invited him to the club. I'm like, "Come, come to the club. It's not what you think it is."
Mark Normand 1:36:07 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:36:07 It's like, just all walks of life. There's a ton of lesbians and gay people and-
Mark Normand 1:36:11 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:36:11 ... ah, it's like the most diverse fucking place on earth, but they're all talented.
Mark Normand 1:36:15 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:36:15 It's only diverse by accident.
Mark Normand 1:36:17 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:36:18 It's diverse just because the, the talented people all happen to be diverse.
Mark Normand 1:36:22 [laughs] Yeah. It's like UFC.
Joe Rogan 1:36:23 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:36:24 It's like a Russian guy, a fucking Muslim guy-
Joe Rogan 1:36:26 Chinese guy
Mark Normand 1:36:26 ... Chinese guy-
Joe Rogan 1:36:27 White guy
Mark Normand 1:36:27 ... Korean guy.
Joe Rogan 1:36:28 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:36:28 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:36:28 It's, but that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be, diversity is supposed to occur naturally if you just let the best people excel.
Mark Normand 1:36:35 Right. Right.
Joe Rogan 1:36:35 Especially in something like comedy because there's no barrier to entry. It's an open mic night.
Mark Normand 1:36:41 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:36:41 All you do is write on a pad, come up with some ideas.
Mark Normand 1:36:44 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:36:44 You don't have to have a lot of money to do it. Everybody there that starts out is broke.
Mark Normand 1:36:48 Well, did you see those Oscars regulations?
Joe Rogan 1:36:51 Crazy.
Mark Normand 1:36:51 That was a bummer, 'cause I'm a big movie guy.
Joe Rogan 1:36:54 Crazy.
Mark Normand 1:36:54 And that, that really s- really bummed me out.
Joe Rogan 1:36:56 Good. Fuck the Oscars. Who cares?
Mark Normand 1:36:58 I mean, I-
Joe Rogan 1:36:59 Who cares?
Mark Normand 1:36:59 ... I grew up watching it. I love movies.
Joe Rogan 1:37:00 I know, but who cares?
Mark Normand 1:37:01 But, like, The Godfather, all these movies would never have been made or won.
Joe Rogan 1:37:05 Never. Never. There's a ton of movies that you could never make. You'd never make Braveheart.
Mark Normand 1:37:08 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:37:09 Right. Or Apocalypto.
Mark Normand 1:37:11 Or what about Boy-
Joe Rogan 1:37:11 All brown people. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:37:12 Yeah. [laughs] Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:37:13 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:37:13 Yeah, Boyz in the Hood.
Joe Rogan 1:37:14 Nice.
Mark Normand 1:37:14 There's, there's no Asian guy in there.
Joe Rogan 1:37:15 Nice. It's-
Mark Normand 1:37:16 And it's a great movie
Joe Rogan 1:37:17 ... it's insane that you would have diversity quotas when you're talking about art because you're gonna have a... What if you're doing a film about Scotland in the 1400s?
Mark Normand 1:37:26 Exactly.
Joe Rogan 1:37:26 You, you can't bring Asian people into the mix.
Mark Normand 1:37:28 [laughs] No.
Joe Rogan 1:37:29 They weren't, they don't, they weren't there.
Mark Normand 1:37:30 But now you gotta write one in, like, "Oh, this Asian guy-
Joe Rogan 1:37:33 You cannot
Mark Normand 1:37:33 ... is the best doctor in Scotland."
Joe Rogan 1:37:34 Right.
Mark Normand 1:37:34 And you're like, "Wait, what?"
Joe Rogan 1:37:35 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:37:36 It's the 1400s.
Joe Rogan 1:37:37 Right. If you're gonna write a, a, you know, a thing about feudal Japan, it's gonna be all Japanese people.
Mark Normand 1:37:42 Squid Game.
Joe Rogan 1:37:42 That's about... You're right. Squid Game. It's, that's okay.
Mark Normand 1:37:45 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:37:46 That's okay.
Mark Normand 1:37:46 I love that show.
Joe Rogan 1:37:47 Yeah.Just like Sinners is okay.
Mark Normand 1:37:50 Yeah, I like Sinners.
Joe Rogan 1:37:50 Have, have a movie with all Black people. Like, it doesn't matter.
Mark Normand 1:37:53 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:37:53 It's just like, just make movies, and if people like it, they like it.
Mark Normand 1:37:57 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:37:57 But this idea of having a diversity quota where you have to think about that... Because I've talked to friends that have pitched shows, and when they pitch the show, like Burt was telling me this, that he was pitching a show, and they're like, "Where's the diversity?"
Mark Normand 1:38:10 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:38:11 And he's just like sitting there like, "I don't know what to tell you. It's a movie about Russians in Russia."
Mark Normand 1:38:15 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:38:16 Like, what are you fucking saying to me? Where's the diversity? What does that even fucking mean?
Mark Normand 1:38:20 I know. It's, it's-
Joe Rogan 1:38:21 It doesn't have to be diverse. It just has to be good. And then if you have enough good things, you're gonna have diversity across all these different films-
Mark Normand 1:38:29 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:38:29 ... because there's gonna be films about Black ballerinas.
Mark Normand 1:38:32 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:38:33 There's gonna be films about, you know, b- people, uh, you know, running in the Olympics in 1936 in, in Germany.
Mark Normand 1:38:40 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:38:41 You're g- you're gonna have films that cover all the bases.
Mark Normand 1:38:44 I know. And let it just happen.
Joe Rogan 1:38:46 Let it happen. Just-
Mark Normand 1:38:46 Let the movie be good
Joe Rogan 1:38:47 ... just let people create what they wanna create. And then I think judging art is crazy anyway.
Mark Normand 1:38:53 Well, that's the whole thing.
Joe Rogan 1:38:53 I think awards for art are crazy.
Mark Normand 1:38:55 It's all political, too.
Joe Rogan 1:38:56 It's just nonsense.
Mark Normand 1:38:57 You know, oh, he, the, the-
Joe Rogan 1:38:58 Exactly
Mark Normand 1:38:59 ... Scorsese wins for The Departed, and like-
Joe Rogan 1:39:01 Right
Mark Normand 1:39:01 ... that's not his best movie. But-
Joe Rogan 1:39:02 Like when they were doing the Golden Globes for podcasts, I'm like, good luck.
Mark Normand 1:39:05 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:39:06 Get, get outta here with that.
Mark Normand 1:39:07 Right, right.
Joe Rogan 1:39:07 I didn't even submit.
Mark Normand 1:39:08 I heard.
Joe Rogan 1:39:08 I'm like, get outta here. I'm not, I'm not gonna be a part of your bullshit. Like you can just decide who's the best and who... And who's deciding?
Mark Normand 1:39:14 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:39:14 Like, fuck off.
Mark Normand 1:39:15 Exactly. A-
Joe Rogan 1:39:16 Awards for art are just nuts
Mark Normand 1:39:17 ... it doesn't work, and then we all go, "How'd they win? Is that, is that 'cause of this?"
Joe Rogan 1:39:22 Exactly.
Mark Normand 1:39:22 "Or is, is he actually really good?" You know, and now you're questioning it, and you can't even get into it.
Joe Rogan 1:39:26 Well, do you remember Siskel and Ebert?
Mark Normand 1:39:27 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:39:28 Well, they were the guys-
Mark Normand 1:39:29 I love Siskel and Ebert.
Joe Rogan 1:39:30 Yeah, I loved them, too, until-
Mark Normand 1:39:31 I watched that every week
Joe Rogan 1:39:31 ... I saw the outtakes and I realized they were both cunts.
Mark Normand 1:39:33 I know, but it was fun.
Joe Rogan 1:39:34 And they were going after each other.
Mark Normand 1:39:35 They hated each other.
Joe Rogan 1:39:36 They hated each other.
Mark Normand 1:39:36 Yeah. Those, uh, YouTube outtakes are amazing.
Joe Rogan 1:39:39 Amazing.
Mark Normand 1:39:40 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:39:40 They fucking hated each other.
Mark Normand 1:39:42 Oh, yeah. But that was a fun show. Two thumbs up, though. It was, uh, it was lighter.
Joe Rogan 1:39:46 Yeah. Yes.
Mark Normand 1:39:47 It wasn't like, "This sh- movie was, uh, racist."
Joe Rogan 1:39:50 Right, right, right.
Mark Normand 1:39:51 You know, it was just like good or bad.
Joe Rogan 1:39:52 Right. They just judged it based on what they felt watching the movie, and then they had, they had educated takes.
Mark Normand 1:39:57 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:39:58 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:39:58 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:39:58 And, uh, but that's where a fil- that's where, that's where the... Not awards for art, but recommendations for art-
Mark Normand 1:40:06 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:40:06 ... by people that you appreciate.
Mark Normand 1:40:07 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:40:08 You know?
Mark Normand 1:40:08 But I just picture the Academy going, "Damn, that's a good movie, but you know, uh, there's not a trans guy in a wheelchair."
Joe Rogan 1:40:16 Mm.
Mark Normand 1:40:16 "And this one does that." They used to do it with retards.
Joe Rogan 1:40:19 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 1:40:19 That was a big thing with Oscars. It was like, "Oh, this guy's playing a f- a tard. We gotta give it to him."
Joe Rogan 1:40:24 Exactly.
Mark Normand 1:40:25 And now it's more skin color based or, or gender.
Joe Rogan 1:40:27 And then it got to Tropic Thunder where they had never-
Mark Normand 1:40:29 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:40:29 ... never go full retard. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:40:30 Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Joe Rogan 1:40:31 They killed that genre.
Mark Normand 1:40:32 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:40:33 You never see people playing handicapped people in a film anymore.
Mark Normand 1:40:36 But that movie's great because it shows Robert Downey is in full black everything.
Joe Rogan 1:40:40 Yes.
Mark Normand 1:40:41 And everybody's like, "He nailed it."
Joe Rogan 1:40:42 I asked him about that.
Mark Normand 1:40:44 Oh, wow.
Joe Rogan 1:40:44 I said, "Do you think you could do that movie today?" He goes, "Well, you could do it."
Mark Normand 1:40:47 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:40:48 [laughs] But it'd be a fucking problem.
Mark Normand 1:40:54 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:40:54 He was the last guy to do blackface and not get canceled.
Mark Normand 1:40:57 Yeah, and he fucking killed it.
Joe Rogan 1:40:59 Killed it. It was amazing. That movie was fucking amazing.
Mark Normand 1:41:03 Amazing. It had everything.
Joe Rogan 1:41:04 It's the last completely politically incorrect movie, and it is hilarious.
Mark Normand 1:41:08 I know. It's so good.
Joe Rogan 1:41:09 You know who kills in that movie? Tom Cruise.
Mark Normand 1:41:11 Killed it as the sleazy-
Joe Rogan 1:41:13 Killed it
Mark Normand 1:41:13 ... agent. That dancing.
Joe Rogan 1:41:15 That guy's so good.
Mark Normand 1:41:16 He is good.
Joe Rogan 1:41:17 He's so good in s- I was just talking the other day about that movie Collateral-
Mark Normand 1:41:21 Oh
Joe Rogan 1:41:21 ... with Jamie Foxx where he plays-
Mark Normand 1:41:22 Michael Mann
Joe Rogan 1:41:23 ... a hitman. Oh.
Mark Normand 1:41:23 Great movie.
Joe Rogan 1:41:24 That movie's sh- I just watched it like a couple of months ago. I was like, this movie's so fucking good.
Mark Normand 1:41:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:41:29 He's so convincing-
Mark Normand 1:41:31 So scary
Joe Rogan 1:41:31 ... as a complete psychopathic killer.
Mark Normand 1:41:33 Yeah, and there's not much going on.
Joe Rogan 1:41:35 No.
Mark Normand 1:41:35 But it, they, those two together, the chemistry was amazing.
Joe Rogan 1:41:38 Well, when things happen, they're so crazy.
Mark Normand 1:41:40 Yes, yes.
Joe Rogan 1:41:40 Like that scene in the alleyway where he shoots those two guys-
Mark Normand 1:41:42 Oh
Joe Rogan 1:41:42 ... who are trying to rob him.
Mark Normand 1:41:43 Great.
Joe Rogan 1:41:44 You're like, "Fuck yeah."
Mark Normand 1:41:45 Yeah. And, and hats off to Jamie Foxx. I mean-
Joe Rogan 1:41:48 Ch- he's so good in that movie
Mark Normand 1:41:49 ... he plays like a ner- kind of a nerdy, scared guy.
Joe Rogan 1:41:51 Yes.
Mark Normand 1:41:51 And then he can play Ray.
Joe Rogan 1:41:53 Yes. That guy can do anything.
Mark Normand 1:41:55 Yeah. He had him on.
Joe Rogan 1:41:55 He can do anything. Yeah, I love that guy. He's great.
Mark Normand 1:41:57 He's a talent.
Joe Rogan 1:41:58 He's a super talented guy, and a really nice guy.
Mark Normand 1:42:01 Oh, yeah?
Joe Rogan 1:42:01 Like I've met him off... Like I met him at a gas station once.
Mark Normand 1:42:04 What?
Joe Rogan 1:42:04 He was taking his daughter, uh, uh, home from a martial arts class.
Mark Normand 1:42:09 Wow.
Joe Rogan 1:42:09 And we were just pumping gas next to each other, and some guy pulls up in one of those... Have you ever seen those Rezvani trucks? Do you know what that is?
Mark Normand 1:42:15 No.
Joe Rogan 1:42:16 It's a crazy, like, futuristic looking bulletproof car. It's like a Rezvani tank.
Mark Normand 1:42:22 What? Pull it up.
Joe Rogan 1:42:23 Oh, it's cool looking.
Mark Normand 1:42:24 Is it electric?
Joe Rogan 1:42:25 No. No, this is a long time ago, before electric cars. This is probably 2000... Well, there was some Teslas, the real small ones that were based on the Lotus platform back then, but this is like 2014 or '15 or something like that. That thing.
Mark Normand 1:42:38 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:42:38 He pulled up in, he pulled up in that. That's Jamie Foxx's car. Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:42:41 That's like a Batmobile kind of thing.
Joe Rogan 1:42:43 Exactly. So he pulled up next to me, and I-
Mark Normand 1:42:46 Hell yeah
Joe Rogan 1:42:46 ... I was like, "Who's driving that fucking thing?"
Mark Normand 1:42:48 Damn.
Joe Rogan 1:42:49 And Jamie Foxx got out, "What's up, Joe?" [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:42:51 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:42:51 I'm like, "Oh, what's up, Jamie? What are you doing?" But he's cool. He's like a normal dude.
Mark Normand 1:42:56 Yeah, and he did it all. He did stand-up, he did In Living Color, he'd had his own sitcom.
Joe Rogan 1:43:00 Ultra-
Mark Normand 1:43:00 And then the movies
Joe Rogan 1:43:01 ... ultra talented. Can sing.
Mark Normand 1:43:03 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:43:03 He can act. And he can act in comedy, he can act in drama, he can play a nerd.
Mark Normand 1:43:08 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:43:08 He can play a killer. He can play anything.
Mark Normand 1:43:10 I just rewatched Ray. It's incredible.
Joe Rogan 1:43:12 It's amazing.
Mark Normand 1:43:13 Oh, yeah. He kills that role. Um-
Joe Rogan 1:43:15 And how good is he singing it?
Mark Normand 1:43:17 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:43:18 That's him singing.
Mark Normand 1:43:19 Yeah. I didn't realize Ray was such a junkie.
Joe Rogan 1:43:21 Was he? Yeah, that's right. That's right.
Mark Normand 1:43:22 Big heroin guy. That's why he, that's why he was all moving like that.
Joe Rogan 1:43:25 Mm.
Mark Normand 1:43:25 Shit, he was all wonked out on the, on the H.
Joe Rogan 1:43:28 You know, people say Stevie Ray Wonder can sing, or Stevie Wonder, rather, can sing.
Mark Normand 1:43:32 Can see.
Joe Rogan 1:43:32 Can see.
Mark Normand 1:43:33 I've heard that.
Joe Rogan 1:43:34 What's wrong with me?
Mark Normand 1:43:34 He catches the microphone.
Joe Rogan 1:43:34 I'm trying to talk too fast.
Mark Normand 1:43:35 The microphone falls, and he catches it. So that's a big conspiracy theory, but, uh, looking back, that's, like, the, such a gentle, light conspiracy compared to what we, the fuck we got going on today.
Joe Rogan 1:43:45 I know, right?
Mark Normand 1:43:47 Yeah. That, that Elvis is real. Like, we used to have a fun, kind of playful conspiracies.
Joe Rogan 1:43:51 Tupac's still alive.
Mark Normand 1:43:52 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:43:52 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:43:53 Yeah. And then, and now it's all out of whack.
Joe Rogan 1:43:55 Now it's Macron's got a dick.
Mark Normand 1:43:57 [laughs] Exactly.
Joe Rogan 1:43:59 I've heard Erika Kirke's got a dick. I've heard that one.
Mark Normand 1:44:01 Whoa. She seems thrilled.Right now
Joe Rogan 1:44:04 She's an odd duck
Mark Normand 1:44:05 She's a kook for sure
Joe Rogan 1:44:06 You ever seen the compilation of her making crazy eyes?
Mark Normand 1:44:09 No.
Joe Rogan 1:44:09 There's a video of her making demon eyes, and every time she makes the eyes, the music... [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:44:14 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:44:14 It's so ridiculous
Mark Normand 1:44:16 She's possessed.
Joe Rogan 1:44:17 Well, she just gets intense
Mark Normand 1:44:18 She's like the guy, what, what's the gang guy? What's that guy? Uh, oh my God, look at that.
Joe Rogan 1:44:23 Watch this.
Mark Normand 1:44:23 She looks like a televangelist
Joe Rogan 1:44:24 Give me, give me some, some volume. She's talking to Barry Weiss.
Mark Normand 1:44:27 There you go
Joe Rogan 1:44:28 Watch this. Pay attention to her eyes
Speaker 1:44:30 Charlie said or believed things-
Speaker 1:44:32 Mm-hmm
Speaker 1:44:33 ... that they believed were controversial or even hateful-
Speaker 1:44:36 Mm-hmm
Speaker 1:44:37 ... that he somehow had it coming. What do you say to people who justified? You're sick.
Mark Normand 1:44:43 Mm.
Speaker 1:44:45 He's a human being.
Mark Normand 1:44:48 Oh, boy.
Joe Rogan 1:44:48 Look at the eyes
Mark Normand 1:44:49 Exactly what Barry is saying, they basically said that because Charlie said or bel-
Joe Rogan 1:44:53 Okay
Mark Normand 1:44:54 All right, all right, we don't need the Vincent D'Onofrio
Joe Rogan 1:44:55 That's not, that's not the one that I wanted to hear
Mark Normand 1:44:57 Okay. But yeah, she seems, uh, she's having a good time. Well, she was on a reality show, you know?
Joe Rogan 1:45:01 Yes
Mark Normand 1:45:02 So she's a starfucker
Joe Rogan 1:45:04 A little bit
Mark Normand 1:45:05 Maybe
Joe Rogan 1:45:05 She was also in some weird CIA documents or CIA films
Mark Normand 1:45:08 Is that right?
Joe Rogan 1:45:09 Like yeah. You've never seen those films?
Mark Normand 1:45:10 No, no
Joe Rogan 1:45:11 See if you can find those films. There's some weird like internal films that they made that she was a part of
Mark Normand 1:45:19 She looks like-
Joe Rogan 1:45:20 [coughs]
Mark Normand 1:45:20 ... uh, if a pageant lady, a pageant girl was grown up
Joe Rogan 1:45:23 100%
Mark Normand 1:45:24 There, look at that
Joe Rogan 1:45:25 Yeah. Well, I mean, she essentially was a pageant lady
Mark Normand 1:45:28 Oh, really?
Joe Rogan 1:45:29 Right? Wasn't she in like Miss USA or one of those things?
Mark Normand 1:45:31 Oh, I don't know. Maybe.
Joe Rogan 1:45:32 Wasn't she, Jamie?
Mark Normand 1:45:33 She's got that kind of face
Speaker 1:45:34 Oh, I don't know
Joe Rogan 1:45:35 Well, there's a thing that people want, right? That attention, fame thing.
Mark Normand 1:45:40 Yeah, yeah
Joe Rogan 1:45:41 That, that is what they really want. Okay, so Jamie'll find it
Speaker 1:45:44 What?
Mark Normand 1:45:44 She's got fireworks behind her. She's, she's wild
Joe Rogan 1:45:46 Erika Kirk CIA video-
Mark Normand 1:45:48 Fuck
Joe Rogan 1:45:48 ... releases serious questions
Speaker 1:45:50 That's the one I just played
Joe Rogan 1:45:51 Yeah
Speaker 1:45:51 It didn't ha- It had a five-second clip and the rest was not-
Joe Rogan 1:45:54 Oh. But the, the, the full video's out there. I watched it, and it's very weird
Speaker 1:45:59 So it's the same video
Joe Rogan 1:46:00 So see if you can play it. It's about EMP attacks-
Speaker 1:46:03 Cuts off to the second-
Joe Rogan 1:46:03 ... and power grids
Speaker 1:46:04 ... so I know the whole rest of this was not that clip
Joe Rogan 1:46:06 None of it?
Speaker 1:46:07 Nope
Mark Normand 1:46:07 Well, a gig's a gig. I think if you're a struggling actor, you'd take any kinda employee video or whatever
Joe Rogan 1:46:12 I guarantee that video's out there. I mean, no one could have pulled it. Well, there's a, the Jimmy Dore video there. Here it is. Here it is. Look at this
Speaker 1:46:20 Extremely vulnerable that we've presented to congressional officials. One being cyber, two being hackers, three being physical threats, fourth one is solar EMP, and the fifth one is man-made EMP. So the concern that we have is that we put out this critical information, and when we go over this risk analysis, they hear what we're saying, but, but they don't wanna take action. Take action
Mark Normand 1:46:44 Well, there are-
Joe Rogan 1:46:45 Mm
Mark Normand 1:46:45 ... 18 critical infrastructures
Speaker 1:46:46 It's weird, but-
Joe Rogan 1:46:48 Very weird.
Speaker 1:46:49 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:46:49 She's doing-
Speaker 1:46:49 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:46:49 ... a CIA informational video
Mark Normand 1:46:52 Weird
Speaker 1:46:52 Is this like an acting gig or is this something else?
Joe Rogan 1:46:54 Perhaps, or-
Speaker 1:46:56 I know this is-
Joe Rogan 1:46:56 You know. But even so-
Mark Normand 1:46:57 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:46:57 ... you're doing an acting gig for the CIA. Who calls you for that?
Mark Normand 1:47:01 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:47:02 You ever get one of those calls?
Mark Normand 1:47:03 No.
Joe Rogan 1:47:03 No, I never got one of those calls
Mark Normand 1:47:04 And my agent never hit me with that one
Joe Rogan 1:47:06 Yeah. It's odd. Well, there's a lot of people that think that she was his handler
Mark Normand 1:47:10 Oh
Joe Rogan 1:47:10 ... she was Charlie Kirk's hand- But of course, there's a lot of people think I have handlers-
Mark Normand 1:47:13 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:47:14 ... you know
Mark Normand 1:47:14 Well, you got about nine Navy SEALs out there
Joe Rogan 1:47:16 They're not hand- They're my friends. They're not handlers. I know those guys
Mark Normand 1:47:19 Okay.
Joe Rogan 1:47:20 Well, you think they are?
Mark Normand 1:47:20 Well, they're tough dudes
Joe Rogan 1:47:21 You think they are? They are tough dudes.
Mark Normand 1:47:22 Well.
Joe Rogan 1:47:22 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:47:22 They, they, they know some stuff
Joe Rogan 1:47:24 Well, there's a lot of kooks out there, bro
Mark Normand 1:47:25 [laughs] That's true. I mean, you just had a shooter on Sixth Street
Joe Rogan 1:47:28 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:47:28 Finally, a guy in Austin kills
Joe Rogan 1:47:30 Blah
Mark Normand 1:47:31 Only with three people, though.
Joe Rogan 1:47:33 Blah.
Mark Normand 1:47:33 All right. We have to get to the Austin, uh, New York debate
Joe Rogan 1:47:36 Ba dum bum. That's a stupid debate
Mark Normand 1:47:37 Ah, it's all silly. What are we doing?
Joe Rogan 1:47:39 That's Louis J. Gomez getting involved in these things.
Mark Normand 1:47:41 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:47:42 Settle down
Mark Normand 1:47:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just more comedy the better. Keep putting it in every city
Joe Rogan 1:47:47 I know. I know, right?
Mark Normand 1:47:48 Yeah. Give me more good clubs
Joe Rogan 1:47:49 How is New York these days?
Mark Normand 1:47:51 New York's good. I mean, we're humming. We got all these clubs opening up still, and, uh-
Joe Rogan 1:47:55 More opening, yeah?
Mark Normand 1:47:55 More opening, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:47:56 Nice
Mark Normand 1:47:56 It's crazy. And, uh, comedy's hot, as you know. Comedy has been-
Joe Rogan 1:48:01 The more fucked up the world is, the more hot comedy is
Mark Normand 1:48:04 That's probably true, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:48:05 You think?
Mark Normand 1:48:05 Yeah. But it's, it's legitimized now, you know?
Joe Rogan 1:48:08 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:48:08 Everybody takes it seriously. Before you were kind of a clown. Now they're like, "Oh, let's go see some comedy and listen to them talk about Iran."
Joe Rogan 1:48:14 Well, I think one of the things that helped is podcasts, 'cause people hear-
Mark Normand 1:48:17 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:48:17 ... comics talk about it, and they realize, like, oh, this is, these are thinking people that are going through this, like, very bizarre art form that doesn't have a playbook.
Mark Normand 1:48:25 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:48:26 Right?
Mark Normand 1:48:26 And, and we could, we have no rules.
Joe Rogan 1:48:28 Right
Mark Normand 1:48:28 Where now Oscars have all these rules. We will never have rules
Joe Rogan 1:48:31 Thank God
Mark Normand 1:48:31 And if we do, the whole art form is fucked
Joe Rogan 1:48:33 Well, they've tried to put rules in in certain clubs, and those clubs always fall apart
Mark Normand 1:48:37 That's true
Joe Rogan 1:48:38 You know, you can't do that
Mark Normand 1:48:39 Well, it's so fucking gay, 'cause they're all like, "We love Richard Pryor." I'm like, if he was around today, you'd hate him
Joe Rogan 1:48:44 Right
Mark Normand 1:48:44 He hit his wife. He was a drug addict.
Joe Rogan 1:48:46 Right
Mark Normand 1:48:46 You know?
Joe Rogan 1:48:47 Right. How about-
Mark Normand 1:48:48 He was a psycho
Joe Rogan 1:48:48 ... Kinison?
Mark Normand 1:48:49 Kinison
Joe Rogan 1:48:50 One of the fucking greatest comics that's ever lived, uh, completely out of his mind
Mark Normand 1:48:53 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:48:53 And also the best example of someone who did not punch up
Mark Normand 1:48:58 Yeah, yeah
Joe Rogan 1:48:58 He punched down all the time. He punched down about starving people-
Mark Normand 1:49:02 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:49:02 ... in Africa
Mark Normand 1:49:03 Yeah. I love pu- Why, when did we decide punching down was not funny?
Joe Rogan 1:49:07 They're stupid
Mark Normand 1:49:07 It's hilarious
Joe Rogan 1:49:08 I had a guy on once that was a professor that taught comedy, and he wrote a book on comedy.
Mark Normand 1:49:13 Mm
Joe Rogan 1:49:13 And he tried to tell me that punching down is never funny. I go, "That is wrong."
Mark Normand 1:49:18 That doesn't make sense
Joe Rogan 1:49:18 You're, you're wrong.
Mark Normand 1:49:19 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:49:19 I go, because Sam Kinison, one of the greatest bits of all time was him doing a bit about the starving people in Africa
Mark Normand 1:49:26 Right. Yeah, it's a, a legendary bit. Dave Attell has 18 minutes on midgets.
Joe Rogan 1:49:30 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:49:30 That's literally punching down. Like, it's-
Joe Rogan 1:49:32 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:49:33 ... they're little. But it's funny. If it's funny, it's funny
Joe Rogan 1:49:35 If it's funny, it's funny. And sometimes it's funny 'cause it's wrong
Mark Normand 1:49:38 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:49:39 Sometimes it's funny, it's like, "Oh my God, what is he saying?"
Mark Normand 1:49:41 Exactly.
Joe Rogan 1:49:42 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:49:42 I know
Joe Rogan 1:49:43 Or Holzman
Mark Normand 1:49:44 Holzman, hilarious
Joe Rogan 1:49:45 Perfect example.
Mark Normand 1:49:46 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:49:46 People try to take Holzman literally.
Mark Normand 1:49:48 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:49:48 I've seen comics complain about the mothership 'cause they let a guy come up and say these things like-
Mark Normand 1:49:52 Right
Joe Rogan 1:49:53 ... what guy? Brian Holzman?
Mark Normand 1:49:55 Right
Joe Rogan 1:49:56 Like, talk to Brian Holzman offstage.
Mark Normand 1:49:58 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:49:58 It's Jekyll and Hyde
Mark Normand 1:49:59 Completely. Nicest guy in the world
Joe Rogan 1:50:01 Sweetheart of a guy
Mark Normand 1:50:02 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:50:02 Friendly, every, loves everybody, super kind
Mark Normand 1:50:04 He's like a camp counselor. He's wearing a polo and slacks
Joe Rogan 1:50:07 The nicest fella
Mark Normand 1:50:08 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:50:08 Onstage, he becomes this character that he's created over the years, and it's-Amazing
Mark Normand 1:50:13 But we do the hierarchy thing, and by that logic, I should be able to d- make fun of Asians, 'cause they're doing the best.
Joe Rogan 1:50:19 They are doing the best.
Mark Normand 1:50:19 Asians are number one, then honky, and then who knows. But-
Joe Rogan 1:50:22 Right
Mark Normand 1:50:23 ... so by that logic, I should be able to do a Ching Chong whatever.
Joe Rogan 1:50:26 Right.
Mark Normand 1:50:27 'Cause, you know, by your logic, hey, I'm punching up.
Joe Rogan 1:50:30 Right.
Mark Normand 1:50:30 They're killing it.
Joe Rogan 1:50:31 They are, especially academically.
Mark Normand 1:50:33 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:50:33 I mean, they're, they're killing it so hard-
Mark Normand 1:50:35 Financially
Joe Rogan 1:50:35 ... that they've made rules to try to eliminate Asian people from-
Mark Normand 1:50:38 Yes
Joe Rogan 1:50:39 ... universities.
Mark Normand 1:50:39 From college. Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:50:40 Yes. There's fucking lawsuits about it.
Mark Normand 1:50:42 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:50:42 They made it more difficult. They have to get higher scores.
Mark Normand 1:50:45 That's crazy.
Joe Rogan 1:50:46 It's not, because they kill it.
Mark Normand 1:50:48 They kill it.
Joe Rogan 1:50:48 And they work so hard.
Mark Normand 1:50:49 But what a crazy con- hey, you look like that guy. We got too many of you guys who look like this.
Joe Rogan 1:50:53 You're trying too hard.
Mark Normand 1:50:54 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:50:55 It's like a union job. Hey, slow down, son.
Mark Normand 1:50:57 Right. Right.
Joe Rogan 1:50:58 You're fucking it up for the rest of us.
Mark Normand 1:51:00 Yeah. [laughs] But yeah, let them keep killing it. Let them be smart and invent shit and run the country. I don't care.
Joe Rogan 1:51:06 Exactly. Make, make it so that, you know, there's a legitimate competition where the other people realize, "Okay, we're not working as hard. They're working harder, we gotta catch up."
Mark Normand 1:51:15 Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:51:15 You can't just slow them down and remove them.
Mark Normand 1:51:18 No.
Joe Rogan 1:51:18 There's too many Asians in Harvard. Fuck you.
Mark Normand 1:51:21 Yes. That's why Japan, you can leave a Rolex on a bench-
Joe Rogan 1:51:24 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:51:24 ... because they, they're, they're better in a lot of ways.
Joe Rogan 1:51:27 Exactly.
Mark Normand 1:51:27 Let them be better.
Joe Rogan 1:51:28 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 1:51:28 We don't all have to be the same.
Joe Rogan 1:51:30 You know, that's the same thing about Dubai. A buddy of mine, uh, moved to Dubai, and he said... M- he's Black, and he was saying that in America, he goes, "Dude, I go to a nightclub, I worry about being shot."
Mark Normand 1:51:40 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:51:40 He goes, "There's none of that there." And he goes, "And if you could just leave a diamond, like a diamond ring on the ground, someone will pick it up and turn it into the police."
Mark Normand 1:51:47 Damn.
Joe Rogan 1:51:48 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:51:49 Now how-
Joe Rogan 1:51:49 He goes, there's no theft
Mark Normand 1:51:50 ... how do they do that? Is that cultural? Is that b- raised better? What is that?
Joe Rogan 1:51:54 Laws. Hardcore laws. They have mon-
Mark Normand 1:51:56 Ah
Joe Rogan 1:51:56 ... there's, they have kings. They have a king over there.
Mark Normand 1:51:58 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:51:59 And like you, you can't fuck around. There's no fucking around.
Mark Normand 1:52:02 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:52:02 If you fuck around, they will lock you up, and that's it, and there's no if, ands, or buts. There's no social justice warriors.
Mark Normand 1:52:08 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:52:09 There's no people that are gonna give you no cash bail and let you out because, you know, oh my God, the, the system's racist. No. No, no, no. You commit a crime, you go to fucking jail, so nobody goes to jail 'cause nobody cr- commits crimes.
Mark Normand 1:52:20 Damn. Is that what it is?
Joe Rogan 1:52:21 Yes. Yes.
Mark Normand 1:52:23 Huh. But that's-
Joe Rogan 1:52:23 You, you fuck around over there, like there's a, a American lady went over there, and she got in arguments with people at the airport.
Mark Normand 1:52:29 Uh-oh.
Joe Rogan 1:52:29 And like, you're going to jail.
Mark Normand 1:52:30 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:52:30 They just locked her up. She was yelling at people. She was trying to do the thing they do at Spirit Airlines-
Mark Normand 1:52:34 Right
Joe Rogan 1:52:34 ... in America. Like, uh-uh.
Mark Normand 1:52:36 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:52:37 Not here.
Mark Normand 1:52:37 Well, the fistfights on airplanes has gone up from... If you go 1960 to 2025, it's gotta be up 8,000%.
Joe Rogan 1:52:45 What happened?
Mark Normand 1:52:46 I don't know. What happened?
Joe Rogan 1:52:47 What happened? Why'd we, why'd we lose our fucking marbles?
Mark Normand 1:52:49 Maybe 'cause flights got cheaper, and then you get bus people on a flight.
Joe Rogan 1:52:54 Ah. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:52:54 You know what I mean?
Joe Rogan 1:52:56 Right, bus people are the people who are cutting people's heads off on a fucking [laughs] cr-
Mark Normand 1:52:59 On the Greyhound
Joe Rogan 1:52:59 ... interstate truck. Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:53:01 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:53:02 Right?
Mark Normand 1:53:02 I, I assume that's what it is. Because, you know, back in the day, they wore a suit, and they had a cocktail, and they smoked.
Joe Rogan 1:53:06 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:53:07 But taking a flight back then was a, was a big e- big deal.
Joe Rogan 1:53:10 You ever, you ever travel by bus?
Mark Normand 1:53:12 Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:53:12 I did a few-
Mark Normand 1:53:13 Are you kidding?
Joe Rogan 1:53:13 I did a few bus gigs back in the day because my car broke down.
Mark Normand 1:53:16 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 1:53:16 I didn't have any money.
Mark Normand 1:53:17 It's hell.
Joe Rogan 1:53:17 And so I had to travel by bus. Oh.
Mark Normand 1:53:19 It hurts.
Joe Rogan 1:53:21 The people you have to hang out with are so-
Mark Normand 1:53:23 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:53:23 It's like the dregs of society were on these Greyhounds.
Mark Normand 1:53:27 It really... You know where else you see that is, uh, I still do the, uh, free breakfast at the Holiday Inn.
Joe Rogan 1:53:32 Mm.
Mark Normand 1:53:33 Oh, the characters you see in there. It's like a family, then it's a guy with a neck tattoo-
Joe Rogan 1:53:37 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:53:37 ... an ex-con-
Joe Rogan 1:53:38 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:53:38 ... a, a tweaky meth guy, and then me.
Joe Rogan 1:53:40 I was watching a video about how people that don't stay in that hotel sneak into these hotels.
Mark Normand 1:53:44 I used to do that.
Joe Rogan 1:53:45 Did you?
Mark Normand 1:53:46 Yeah. You like just walk right in. You got pajama pants on. You, you pull an all-nighter. You go get the free breakfast.
Joe Rogan 1:53:51 Ah. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:53:52 They're not gonna stop you. They assume you're staying there.
Joe Rogan 1:53:54 Yeah. Well, they just wanna make it nice for everybody.
Mark Normand 1:53:56 Yeah. You can make a waffle.
Joe Rogan 1:53:58 Yeah, but staying in a shitty hotel teaches you a lot about humans.
Mark Normand 1:54:01 That's true.
Joe Rogan 1:54:02 That's what road gigs are really good for. You, you meet the people that are working the fucking counter.
Mark Normand 1:54:06 Right. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:54:07 Some sad-
Mark Normand 1:54:08 Yeah, you-
Joe Rogan 1:54:09 ... frowny faced dude working the counter.
Mark Normand 1:54:11 The crazy ones are those like... What do they call it when you like you can kinda live there? They have a kitchenette.
Joe Rogan 1:54:15 Oh, yeah.
Mark Normand 1:54:16 You know, the extended stay?
Joe Rogan 1:54:17 Days Inn.
Mark Normand 1:54:17 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:54:18 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:54:18 There's like dogs everywhere, and then there's these people making-
Joe Rogan 1:54:21 It's sad
Mark Normand 1:54:21 ... making crack on the stove and shit.
Joe Rogan 1:54:23 You know who's in a hotel now? Mickey Rourke.
Mark Normand 1:54:26 Really?
Joe Rogan 1:54:26 Yeah, he's in a hotel in Hollywood now. He got evicted.
Mark Normand 1:54:29 Huh?
Joe Rogan 1:54:29 He doesn't have, he doesn't have any money anymore.
Mark Normand 1:54:31 What?
Joe Rogan 1:54:31 Yeah. It's a sad story.
Mark Normand 1:54:34 Oh, he was a hot guy and, and a great actor.
Joe Rogan 1:54:36 Oh, he was great.
Mark Normand 1:54:37 Rumble Fish.
Joe Rogan 1:54:38 Oh my God, dude, so many films. Angel Heart.
Mark Normand 1:54:41 The Wrestler. Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:54:42 Oh my God, dude.
Mark Normand 1:54:43 So good.
Joe Rogan 1:54:43 He was incredible.
Mark Normand 1:54:44 Damn.
Joe Rogan 1:54:44 Well, Wrestler was when he was making a comeback.
Mark Normand 1:54:46 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:54:47 So he made a comeback for a little bit. He was in Iron Man, remember?
Mark Normand 1:54:49 Mm-hmm. Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:54:50 He was great, but you know, I don't know, man. I think-
Mark Normand 1:54:53 He got a lot of work done.
Joe Rogan 1:54:55 He did, but he made it after he got a lot of work done. He still... The comeback, The Wrestler and everything, was after the work.
Mark Normand 1:55:00 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:55:01 You know? But, but the thing was like he did a lot of boxing.
Mark Normand 1:55:04 Oh.
Joe Rogan 1:55:04 And remember? Like, he didn't like the fact that he was like a big actor. He wanted to be more of like a real person and a man.
Mark Normand 1:55:12 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:55:12 So he started having fights. So he's having like legitimate boxing ma-
Mark Normand 1:55:15 Ew
Joe Rogan 1:55:15 ... allegedly legitimate.
Mark Normand 1:55:16 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:55:17 Some of them, some of them look sus.
Mark Normand 1:55:18 Sure.
Joe Rogan 1:55:18 Some of them look like people laid down. But when you think about that, if he's sparring, so he was sparring like James Toney and like real people.
Mark Normand 1:55:26 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:55:26 He's probably getting the fucking brains beaten out of him, and he probably went a little squirrely.
Mark Normand 1:55:30 Yeah, CTE's no joke.
Joe Rogan 1:55:31 It's no joke, dude.
Mark Normand 1:55:32 That'd be the Aaron Hernandez, all these guys.
Joe Rogan 1:55:34 Oh, yeah. Oh, a lot of these MMA fighters that I talk to, like, you know, they're struggling.
Mark Normand 1:55:39 Yeah. Who, who are these ladies who are like, "I'll date this guy"?
Joe Rogan 1:55:42 'Cause they're exciting and dangerous, that's why.
Mark Normand 1:55:45 Dangerous? They'll fucking hang you.
Joe Rogan 1:55:47 [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:55:48 You know? I think he hung himself, actually.
Joe Rogan 1:55:51 Who hung himself? Aaron Hernandez?
Mark Normand 1:55:52 Aaron Hernandez. Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:55:52 Oh, in jail, right? But he had killed a bunch of people already.
Mark Normand 1:55:55 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:55:57 Like, he was killing people while he was in the NFL.
Mark Normand 1:55:59 [exhales]
Joe Rogan 1:56:00 Yeah. He was a wild motherfucker.
Mark Normand 1:56:02 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:56:02 But then they said when they checked his CTE after he was dead, like he had like some of the worst CTE they've ever seen in their life.
Mark Normand 1:56:07 Really?
Joe Rogan 1:56:07 Yeah. His brain was gone.
Mark Normand 1:56:09 Well, there you go.
Joe Rogan 1:56:10 A friend of mine who has CTE was explaining it to me, and the way, um, uh, the doctor was explaining to him, like most people have, uh, several steps to go to before they lose control of their impulses.
Mark Normand 1:56:24 Mm.
Joe Rogan 1:56:24 Like, you have an initial thought, and then your brain comes in and goes, "Don't do that."
Mark Normand 1:56:28 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:56:28 And then there's another one. It ramps up a little bit. This is getting serious, but let's not get out of hand. ButSomeone with CTE, first initial thought, right into DEFCON 5.
Mark Normand 1:56:38 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:56:38 They just [snaps fingers] immediately go.
Mark Normand 1:56:40 No buffer.
Joe Rogan 1:56:41 No buffer.
Mark Normand 1:56:42 Oof. You gotta have a buffer.
Joe Rogan 1:56:42 No, no impulse control. Cocaine, women, whiskey.
Mark Normand 1:56:46 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:56:46 No matter what it is. Like the mo- especially with booze, you add booze, loss of inhibition-
Mark Normand 1:56:51 Yep
Joe Rogan 1:56:51 ... no impulse control. Rah.
Mark Normand 1:56:54 Pew.
Joe Rogan 1:56:54 Shoot out with the cops, you know? It's like-
Mark Normand 1:56:56 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:56:56 ... right, right to the worst-case scenario.
Mark Normand 1:56:58 Remember that Bill Burr bit? He's like, "I'm driving down the street, I see a bunch of people on the sidewalk. Just quarter inch turn to the right, I'll just mow them all down."
Joe Rogan 1:57:05 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:57:05 You have that thought-
Joe Rogan 1:57:06 Oh, yeah
Mark Normand 1:57:06 ... but then you don't do it.
Joe Rogan 1:57:07 Everybody has those thoughts.
Mark Normand 1:57:08 Yeah. You go up on the top of a bui- a building, and you're like, "Ah, I could jump."
Joe Rogan 1:57:12 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:57:12 You have that for a second, and then you, you pull back.
Joe Rogan 1:57:15 Some people just don't have it.
Mark Normand 1:57:16 I guess so.
Joe Rogan 1:57:16 Especially... Well, brain damage is basically like, think about like if you have a fucked up phone. Like I, I dropped my phone once, and, uh, I was in Hawaii, and, uh, it just started calling people. Like-
Mark Normand 1:57:27 Really?
Joe Rogan 1:57:28 Yeah. I was showing my wife. I'm like, "Look at this."
Mark Normand 1:57:29 Huh.
Joe Rogan 1:57:29 "This is crazy." Like you hang up, calls another person. Hang up-
Mark Normand 1:57:32 Whoa
Joe Rogan 1:57:32 ... calls another... It was just broken.
Mark Normand 1:57:33 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 1:57:34 So that's your brain.
Mark Normand 1:57:36 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:57:36 Right? All the wires are all fucked up, and you got holes in there-
Mark Normand 1:57:40 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:57:41 ... when you get CTE and-
Mark Normand 1:57:42 Wow
Joe Rogan 1:57:43 ... chronic traumatic ence- encephalopathy and-
Mark Normand 1:57:46 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:57:46 ... your, you know, your hormones are all fucked up.
Mark Normand 1:57:48 Sure.
Joe Rogan 1:57:48 Your cortisol's all fucked up.
Mark Normand 1:57:49 You gotta put their head in rice.
Joe Rogan 1:57:51 And you're just like, all of a sudden, you're just running through red lights. You don't even know why you're doing it.
Mark Normand 1:57:54 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:57:55 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:57:55 Whoo. Probably kind of fun in the middle of it.
Joe Rogan 1:57:58 Probably not.
Mark Normand 1:57:59 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:58:00 You're probably like, "Am I in control of my own destiny? I'm not."
Mark Normand 1:58:03 Oof. Man. Yeah, we're lucky we're safe. I mean, you, you've taken a lot of blows.
Joe Rogan 1:58:07 Yeah. I have the-
Mark Normand 1:58:07 Mentally and physically
Joe Rogan 1:58:08 ... I have the right amount of brain damage.
Mark Normand 1:58:12 Oh.
Joe Rogan 1:58:12 I'm not worried about things.
Mark Normand 1:58:13 That's good.
Joe Rogan 1:58:14 I don't concern myself about things that I think would cripple a lot of people.
Mark Normand 1:58:18 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:58:18 Eh.
Mark Normand 1:58:19 Interesting.
Joe Rogan 1:58:19 Yeah. I think it makes me a little more fearless.
Mark Normand 1:58:23 Yeah, it's like autism. If you have, uh, just the right amount, you're a genius.
Joe Rogan 1:58:26 A touch of the 'tism.
Mark Normand 1:58:27 A touch.
Joe Rogan 1:58:28 Just a touch.
Mark Normand 1:58:28 Yes.
Joe Rogan 1:58:29 You don't wanna be non-verbal, but you wanna be-
Mark Normand 1:58:31 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 1:58:31 ... really good at math. [laughs]
Mark Normand 1:58:32 Yeah, yeah. It's almost like blind guys who can fucking do other shit, right?
Joe Rogan 1:58:36 Right.
Mark Normand 1:58:37 Like Daredevil.
Joe Rogan 1:58:37 They can hear better.
Mark Normand 1:58:38 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:58:39 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:58:39 Yeah, like um-
Joe Rogan 1:58:39 Echolocation.
Mark Normand 1:58:40 There you go.
Joe Rogan 1:58:41 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:58:41 I mean, Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles.
Joe Rogan 1:58:43 Yeah. I think I have just enough brain damage.
Mark Normand 1:58:45 That's-
Joe Rogan 1:58:46 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:58:46 ... that's very interesting, 'cause you wonder, how could you do this for so long, and do comedy, and do UFC, and, uh, drink, and smoke weed, and all, run a club. You got a lot of iron... And kids, and a wife, and a fucking dog, and you got J Mo, and cars. You got a lot of plates spinning.
Joe Rogan 1:59:05 But I'm still just me, because I don't have to ever be anybody but me.
Mark Normand 1:59:09 But you also do a ton of work on you. You do, do the fucking cold plunge, the sauna-
Joe Rogan 1:59:14 Yeah
Mark Normand 1:59:14 ... the working out-
Joe Rogan 1:59:15 That helps
Mark Normand 1:59:15 ... the kicking, the fighting, the comedy.
Joe Rogan 1:59:17 That helps. That's... I always tell everybody that's going through anything, like, difficult in your life, do something more difficult voluntarily-
Mark Normand 1:59:23 Mm
Joe Rogan 1:59:23 ... and it makes the difficult thing easy.
Mark Normand 1:59:25 Right.
Joe Rogan 1:59:25 And so, like, a career in the public eye is very difficult psychologically.
Mark Normand 1:59:29 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:59:29 So do something, like, my workouts are way harder than anything I ever experience in-
Mark Normand 1:59:34 Oh, really?
Joe Rogan 1:59:34 ... like, regular life.
Mark Normand 1:59:35 And you do it to yourself.
Joe Rogan 1:59:36 Yeah, I do it to myself.
Mark Normand 1:59:36 That's the key.
Joe Rogan 1:59:37 Yeah. So that when I'm done, like, I can kinda tolerate a lot.
Mark Normand 1:59:40 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 1:59:41 Like, if you do jujitsu, like I did jujitsu for, what, 25, 28 years or something like that?
Mark Normand 1:59:46 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 1:59:46 Like, just doing that all the time is so hard-
Mark Normand 1:59:50 Yeah
Joe Rogan 1:59:50 ... that the rest of the world seems easy.
Mark Normand 1:59:52 But weren't you beaten as a kid?
Joe Rogan 1:59:54 No, no, no, no.
Mark Normand 1:59:55 I thought you got hit a f-
Joe Rogan 1:59:56 No, no, no, no, no
Mark Normand 1:59:56 ... few times. Or your mom got hit?
Joe Rogan 1:59:58 Yeah.
Mark Normand 1:59:58 Okay.
Joe Rogan 1:59:58 Not me. Not me, no.
Mark Normand 2:00:00 That coulda, that coulda scrambled some stuff.
Joe Rogan 2:00:01 It definitely did. Well, it made me more attuned to the potential of domestic violence, which scares the shit out of me. But I got hit a lot-
Mark Normand 2:00:10 Okay
Joe Rogan 2:00:10 ... on the... But in fighting.
Mark Normand 2:00:12 Right, right.
Joe Rogan 2:00:12 I mean, I started, started training when I was 15, seriously.
Mark Normand 2:00:16 Yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:00:16 And so for all my formative years, I was getting my brains punched.
Mark Normand 2:00:21 Whoa.
Joe Rogan 2:00:21 You know? I was getting kicked. I was getting punched, you know?
Mark Normand 2:00:25 Have you thought about getting like...
Joe Rogan 2:00:26 No.
Mark Normand 2:00:26 That'd be cool to get a real brain scan exam on you.
Joe Rogan 2:00:28 I don't wanna, I don't wanna know what's in there.
Mark Normand 2:00:29 All right, all right.
Joe Rogan 2:00:30 I don't wanna know.
Mark Normand 2:00:30 Just keep riding it out.
Joe Rogan 2:00:31 I don't wanna know.
Mark Normand 2:00:32 'Cause it's going well.
Joe Rogan 2:00:33 It's going well, yeah, so I'm... I leave it alone. But I think, like, you have to have tools for managing stress.
Mark Normand 2:00:39 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 2:00:39 And one of the best tools, I think, is voluntary adversity-
Mark Normand 2:00:43 I think so, too
Joe Rogan 2:00:43 ... where you force yourself... 'Cause it gives you discipline, and you understand, like, that you can control-
Mark Normand 2:00:48 Mm
Joe Rogan 2:00:48 ... a lot of the way you think and a lot of the way you behave by your actions.
Mark Normand 2:00:52 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:00:52 And it's also, like, I don't wanna do it every time. Like today, I-
Mark Normand 2:00:55 Yes
Joe Rogan 2:00:55 ... I w- today I got in the cold plunge, and I was... Every time I do it, I'm trying to figure out ways that I could talk myself out of doing it.
Mark Normand 2:01:01 Yes.
Joe Rogan 2:01:02 And then I have one part of my brain that's talking like a bitch-
Mark Normand 2:01:05 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 2:01:05 ... and the other part of my brain's like, "Shut the fuck up. You're just gonna do it."
Mark Normand 2:01:09 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:01:09 "You're not even gonna think about it. You're not gonna hesitate. You're just gonna lift the lid off of that thing. You're gonna set the timer. You're gonna slide into that 34-degree water, and you're just gonna fucking sit there."
Mark Normand 2:01:18 Well, yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:01:18 "And you're not gonna bitch and complain. You're just gonna breathe, and don't overreact. Just, just deal with it."
Mark Normand 2:01:23 And it keeps you in reality.
Joe Rogan 2:01:25 Yes.
Mark Normand 2:01:25 This is real. I'm freezing. Or I'm-
Joe Rogan 2:01:27 You could die.
Mark Normand 2:01:28 Yeah, you could die.
Joe Rogan 2:01:28 You could die.
Mark Normand 2:01:28 Or you're lifting weights, and you're like, "This sucks."
Joe Rogan 2:01:30 This sucks.
Mark Normand 2:01:30 "But I'm, I'm doing it."
Joe Rogan 2:01:31 Yeah. When you're doing sprints on the AirDyne machine, it sucks.
Mark Normand 2:01:33 Well, also, the society, the population is more comfortable than ever.
Joe Rogan 2:01:37 Yes.
Mark Normand 2:01:37 I mean, you got Uber Eats, you got Netflix, you got all these comforts, so they're going the other way.
Joe Rogan 2:01:42 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:01:42 And then we're kind of decaying as well.
Joe Rogan 2:01:44 There's a guy, uh, named Michael Easter, he's been on my podcast before. He wrote a book called The Comfort Crisis.
Mark Normand 2:01:48 Hm.
Joe Rogan 2:01:48 Great book.
Mark Normand 2:01:49 Oh, there you go.
Joe Rogan 2:01:50 He's a professor in, um, UNLV, I think. Um, but he, like, talks about it from, like, a, a perspective of, like, how to ba- like, really manage and balance out life, and that comfort is your enemy.
Mark Normand 2:02:04 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 2:02:04 It really is.
Mark Normand 2:02:05 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:02:05 It's 100% your enemy. There's no if, ands, or buts about it. Like, the, the desire to constantly be comfortable, it doesn't get you anywhere in life, and it doesn't make you happy.
Mark Normand 2:02:14 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:02:14 You think you're gonna be happy if you're comfortable, you're not.
Mark Normand 2:02:17 No.
Joe Rogan 2:02:17 You gotta be comfortable sometimes-
Mark Normand 2:02:19 Mm-hmm
Joe Rogan 2:02:19 ... but you have to earn that comfort.
Mark Normand 2:02:21 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:02:21 Like, I, I still watch T- like I told you, I watched that guy cook fucking-
Mark Normand 2:02:24 Yeah, yeah
Joe Rogan 2:02:25 ... an o- an ostrich. He, he-
Mark Normand 2:02:27 Whoa
Joe Rogan 2:02:27 ... he baked an ostrich.
Mark Normand 2:02:29 That's crazy.
Joe Rogan 2:02:29 Yeah. And I watched the whole thing. I'm like sitting there like a moron.
Mark Normand 2:02:32 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:02:33 Because the world's on fire. I'm like, "Let me watch this guy cook-
Mark Normand 2:02:35 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 2:02:36 ... in Azerbaijan and go super."
Mark Normand 2:02:37 Well, it's better to watch that than Love Is Blind or some horseshit.
Joe Rogan 2:02:40 I can't watch those things.
Mark Normand 2:02:41 I can't either.
Joe Rogan 2:02:42 I don't like watching people behave badly.
Mark Normand 2:02:44 I get... I feel myself being dumber.
Joe Rogan 2:02:46 Yes.
Mark Normand 2:02:47 I, I feel slower after watching that.
Joe Rogan 2:02:49 Yeah. I like watching interesting things about space. I was watching something about the James Webb telescope and what they're finding out now.
Mark Normand 2:02:55 Ooh.
Joe Rogan 2:02:56 Yeah, some new guy that has some theory about how the universe is not expanding, and is, it, I, I'm fascinated by really interesting things and just people doing things that they love to do.
Mark Normand 2:03:08 Well, Jimmy Carr said, "The key to life is two words, prioritize later." And that's big. Y- you don't wanna exercise, but you do it so you're healthy.
Joe Rogan 2:03:17 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:03:18 You know, you don't wanna eat healthy or eat right, you want the pizza, you want the Snickers, but you think about later.
Joe Rogan 2:03:24 Right.
Mark Normand 2:03:24 And I think that's a big one.
Joe Rogan 2:03:25 Right. You want your comedy to do well, you gotta write.
Mark Normand 2:03:27 You gotta write.
Joe Rogan 2:03:28 Sit down in front of that fucking computer or the notebook and just concentrate-
Mark Normand 2:03:32 Yeah
Joe Rogan 2:03:32 ... and then do those sets that you know... Some of the best sets that I've ever had are the ones where I'm sitting at home going, "Can I get an excuse to not do this?"
Mark Normand 2:03:38 Of course.
Joe Rogan 2:03:39 I would be in my house not wanting to go to the store-
Mark Normand 2:03:41 Yes
Joe Rogan 2:03:42 ... and I was like, "Ah, I don't wanna do it." And then I would kill.
Mark Normand 2:03:44 And you're always happy you did it-
Joe Rogan 2:03:46 Yes
Mark Normand 2:03:46 ... every single time.
Joe Rogan 2:03:46 Every time.
Mark Normand 2:03:47 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:03:47 Every time.
Mark Normand 2:03:48 I'm a big introvert, so I would always go, "Ah, I can't go to that party," or, "That thing sounds annoying." But if I go, I'm like, "That was great. I had a great time."
Joe Rogan 2:03:55 It's weird that you're an introvert, 'cause you're so-
Mark Normand 2:03:56 Big introvert
Joe Rogan 2:03:57 ... but you're so good publicly.
Mark Normand 2:04:00 Well, I mean, we do an art form that's pre-written.
Joe Rogan 2:04:04 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:04:04 So-
Joe Rogan 2:04:05 But you're also good like this.
Mark Normand 2:04:06 But it's me and you.
Joe Rogan 2:04:07 But you're also good in interviews and, like, Good Morning America, one of those fucking stupid shows.
Mark Normand 2:04:10 Well, I'm fucking around. I'm a, I'm a goofball.
Joe Rogan 2:04:11 I know.
Mark Normand 2:04:12 But-
Joe Rogan 2:04:12 But you know what I'm saying? Like, you're really good at those
Mark Normand 2:04:14 ... uh, but I can do a one-on-one, but i- i- in a, in a group setting, I'm a mess.
Joe Rogan 2:04:18 Mm.
Mark Normand 2:04:19 It's not pretty. And I, I sit at home and I go, "I can't go. I can't. I... What if I say something stupid? Nobody likes me. I'm annoying. Ah." And then I... Everything w- everything tells me to stay home, but I just push it.
Joe Rogan 2:04:29 But don't you think it's healthier to have that perspective, like, "Oh, people are gonna hate me, they're gonna..." Than, "Everybody loves me."
Mark Normand 2:04:35 Of course, yeah. I don't wanna be that guy.
Joe Rogan 2:04:37 That doesn't work.
Mark Normand 2:04:38 No.
Joe Rogan 2:04:38 Right?
Mark Normand 2:04:38 No.
Joe Rogan 2:04:38 That's like when, whenever I talk to people, they say, "I get imposter syndrome." I go, "Good, that means you're healthy."
Mark Normand 2:04:43 Ooh.
Joe Rogan 2:04:44 Everybody who's doing really well gets imposter syndrome.
Mark Normand 2:04:47 [laughs] Right. Right. David Tennant thinks he's a hack.
Joe Rogan 2:04:49 It's crazy.
Mark Normand 2:04:49 He's the funniest guy on the planet.
Joe Rogan 2:04:50 Right? Everybody who's really killing it in life, at a certain point in time, goes, "This doesn't make any sense."
Mark Normand 2:04:56 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:04:56 "Why am I even doing well? Why is this so good?"
Mark Normand 2:04:58 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:04:59 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:04:59 But now, uh, do we, are we just blessed in that way, that we hate ourselves or, or are insecure?
Joe Rogan 2:05:04 No.
Mark Normand 2:05:04 Or are we, uh, do we have to find that out?
Joe Rogan 2:05:09 Well-
Mark Normand 2:05:09 'Cause I'm jealous of the guy who's cool and collected.
Joe Rogan 2:05:14 Yeah, but they're probably jealous of you 'cause you're talented. I think the, the thing about it is, it's like if you really believe you're something better than you are, that prevents you from getting better than you could be.
Mark Normand 2:05:24 I agree. Yeah, yeah. If you-
Joe Rogan 2:05:26 Yeah
Mark Normand 2:05:26 ... if you think you're great, you're, you're s- you're, you're fixing something and you go, "That's good."
Joe Rogan 2:05:30 Right.
Mark Normand 2:05:30 "I did it."
Joe Rogan 2:05:30 Right.
Mark Normand 2:05:30 And then it falls apart.
Joe Rogan 2:05:31 We all remember that from, like, the beginnings of our career. Like, there's guys that thought they killed.
Mark Normand 2:05:36 Yes, yes.
Joe Rogan 2:05:36 And they were terrible.
Mark Normand 2:05:37 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:05:38 They were bombing. No one was laughing.
Mark Normand 2:05:39 Right. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 2:05:39 And they're like, "Ah, that was a great set." And you're like, "What did you hear?"
Mark Normand 2:05:43 You see all these 400-pound skanks who are like, "I'm a 10."
Joe Rogan 2:05:46 Right.
Mark Normand 2:05:46 And you're like, what, are you kidding? You're an ogre.
Joe Rogan 2:05:48 Right.
Mark Normand 2:05:48 But, you know.
Joe Rogan 2:05:49 But that's that weird... Those shows where they sit those ladies down and... I don't like those shows.
Mark Normand 2:05:54 I don't like those either. They're, they're too mean to the, to the gals. But, uh... And like I've been calling everybody skanks, but I'm not gonna just say that to a woman's face or whatever, so it, those make me uncomfortable.
Joe Rogan 2:06:04 Yeah, even the girl- the gals that deserve it, I'm like, oh, God, don't, just don't talk to them.
Mark Normand 2:06:08 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:06:09 Don't, don't do that to them.
Mark Normand 2:06:10 No, no, no. It's weird.
Joe Rogan 2:06:11 But people love it. They love it when people get shut down.
Mark Normand 2:06:14 They really do.
Joe Rogan 2:06:15 They love it. They love it when a really m- stupid person with, like, delusional perspective-
Mark Normand 2:06:20 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 2:06:20 ... talks to a genius-
Mark Normand 2:06:21 Yeah
Joe Rogan 2:06:21 ... and gets just an- annihilated.
Mark Normand 2:06:23 I know, but I'd feel icky leaving that studio.
Joe Rogan 2:06:26 Oh, I would. I feel icky watching it. Even, like, the little clips, I'm like, oh, what are you doing to that poor lady?
Mark Normand 2:06:32 I know. I know.
Joe Rogan 2:06:32 Some of them deserve it-
Mark Normand 2:06:34 Sure, sure
Joe Rogan 2:06:34 ... arguably.
Mark Normand 2:06:35 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:06:35 You know, they have ridiculous perspectives. Their, their vocabulary sucks-
Mark Normand 2:06:40 Yeah
Joe Rogan 2:06:40 ... and they try to use it anyway. [laughs]
Mark Normand 2:06:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, maybe they should be... It's like cops. I see them shutting criminals down, and I'm like, thank God they're here, 'cause I don't wanna do it.
Joe Rogan 2:06:49 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 2:06:50 I would never wanna... Can you imagine giving someone a parking ticket? Oh, I'd kill myself.
Joe Rogan 2:06:54 Or how about pulling someone over and thinking they're gonna shoot you?
Mark Normand 2:06:56 Well, that's a whole nother-
Joe Rogan 2:06:57 You never know
Mark Normand 2:06:57 ... thing, yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:06:58 They're all... They're, all those guys have PTSD.
Mark Normand 2:07:01 How could you not?
Joe Rogan 2:07:02 I was talking to a friend of mine who worked for the Austin PD, and he said, "Listen, Matt." And he was in the... He served overseas and was deployed several times. And he said, "I saw way more shit-
Mark Normand 2:07:11 Mm
Joe Rogan 2:07:11 ... wa- working for the police department than I ever saw overseas."
Mark Normand 2:07:14 Oh, wow.
Joe Rogan 2:07:14 "Way more murders, way more crime, way more dead bodies."
Mark Normand 2:07:17 Ugh.
Joe Rogan 2:07:18 "Way more fucked up behavior."
Mark Normand 2:07:19 And then we shit on them. We go, "Def- defund them. These-"
Joe Rogan 2:07:21 Exactly.
Mark Normand 2:07:21 "... fuck cops, ACAB," or whatever, and I'm like, "We need them. We need those guys."
Joe Rogan 2:07:25 That's more of that stupid virtue signaling, 'cause those people... Remember that lady who was the mayor of, uh, Chicago, was, like, all about-
Mark Normand 2:07:33 Lori Lightfoot?
Joe Rogan 2:07:33 Yeah. All about defund the police. Meanwhile, she had her block shut down.
Mark Normand 2:07:37 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:07:37 She had armed guards with her everywhere.
Mark Normand 2:07:38 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:07:39 Like, come on, lady.
Mark Normand 2:07:40 Yeah, and I get it. Cops aren't perfect. We gotta have different money allotted to certain things or whatever, but-
Joe Rogan 2:07:46 Yeah. They need to be trained better, for sure.
Mark Normand 2:07:47 Yeah, but you can't just shit on this guy. He's just, he's taking bullets to the head just so we can be safe.
Joe Rogan 2:07:52 It's literally one of the most important jobs in a functioning society-
Mark Normand 2:07:56 Yeah
Joe Rogan 2:07:56 ... is to stop criminals from ruining everything for everybody else.
Mark Normand 2:08:00 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:08:00 And the only shield between us and them is police officers.
Mark Normand 2:08:04 Yes.
Joe Rogan 2:08:04 If you don't r- appreciate that, you just don't know. You just, you're, you're either delusional, you're, you're arrogant.
Mark Normand 2:08:10 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:08:10 Whatever it is, you ne- you should go on a ride-along.
Mark Normand 2:08:13 Yes.
Joe Rogan 2:08:13 'Cause a lot of people that have been on ride-alongs, they go on ride-alongs-
Mark Normand 2:08:16 Good idea
Joe Rogan 2:08:16 ... I, I, I haven't been on one. I should just say that right away, but I know enough cops. I've talked to them. But if you go on a ride-along, you'll go, "Oh, these guys are dealing with this for decades."
Mark Normand 2:08:26 Ugh.
Joe Rogan 2:08:27 Not just one night, not just a couple of nights.
Mark Normand 2:08:29 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:08:29 Decades of fucking chaos.
Mark Normand 2:08:31 Why would they do that?
Joe Rogan 2:08:34 The worst... 'Cause it's a good go- it's a good job. You can pay your mortgage, you can, you know-
Mark Normand 2:08:37 I guess, yeah
Joe Rogan 2:08:37 ... you can raise a family. And, you know, you c- you come out of the military-
Mark Normand 2:08:40 Right
Joe Rogan 2:08:40 ... you don't know what you're gonna do. You get a job in the police force.
Mark Normand 2:08:43 And you feel good, probably. You go, "Ah, I'm helping. I'm saving people's lives."
Joe Rogan 2:08:47 A lot of times, a lot of times you are helping.
Mark Normand 2:08:48 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:08:48 A lot of times you're stopping bad guys, you know?
Mark Normand 2:08:50 Well, I've noticed a lot of people who hate cops are very cop-like. You know, like, these people are like, "Uh, defund the police," and they're like, "Don't do that joke. Don't say that word."
Joe Rogan 2:08:58 Right.
Mark Normand 2:08:58 And I'm like, "You're like a cop."
Joe Rogan 2:09:00 Right.
Mark Normand 2:09:00 You know? And there's a lot of that.
Joe Rogan 2:09:02 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:09:02 Like, a lot of people who hate-Trump, I notice are a lot like Trump. Like, I'm not a Trump guy, but these people are like, they're also kind of a narcissist-
Joe Rogan 2:09:09 Right
Mark Normand 2:09:09 ... and an egomaniac.
Joe Rogan 2:09:10 Like-
Mark Normand 2:09:10 And I'm like, "You're like him."
Joe Rogan 2:09:11 Like girls who are promiscuous who talk shit about girls fucking other guys.
Mark Normand 2:09:15 Right, right.
Joe Rogan 2:09:15 Right? That's always the case.
Mark Normand 2:09:16 Always.
Joe Rogan 2:09:17 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:09:17 Yeah, yeah. It's, uh-
Joe Rogan 2:09:19 There's always people like that.
Mark Normand 2:09:20 I think you hate yourself.
Joe Rogan 2:09:21 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:09:22 Kind of.
Joe Rogan 2:09:22 Exactly.
Mark Normand 2:09:22 Like, like Jew-Palestine, they look the same. They're not that different.
Joe Rogan 2:09:25 I used to do a joke about that.
Mark Normand 2:09:26 No way.
Joe Rogan 2:09:27 Yeah. I, I, I said when I look at Israel versus Palestine, I go, "Uh, it's like the, the Williams sisters playing each other in tennis."
Mark Normand 2:09:34 Right. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 2:09:34 I go, "Who the fuck is who?" I go, "There's, like, a brown-skinned guy with dark curly hair throwing rocks at a brown-skinned guy with dark curly hair holding a machine gun."
Mark Normand 2:09:42 Exactly.
Joe Rogan 2:09:43 Like, what the fuck?
Mark Normand 2:09:44 I have a similar bit about how the people who hate each other the most, they're this, they, they look alike. Like, Ireland's been fighting, North Korea/South Korea.
Joe Rogan 2:09:51 Right.
Mark Normand 2:09:51 Bloods and the Crips. It goes-
Joe Rogan 2:09:52 North Korea and South Korea is the best example.
Mark Normand 2:09:54 It goes on for days.
Joe Rogan 2:09:55 Yeah. They hate each other. You're literally on the same patch of dirt.
Mark Normand 2:09:58 Russia, Ukraine.
Joe Rogan 2:09:58 You look exactly the same.
Mark Normand 2:09:59 You look the same.
Joe Rogan 2:10:00 Yes, you look the same.
Mark Normand 2:10:01 I know. Women.
Joe Rogan 2:10:02 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:10:03 They hate each other.
Joe Rogan 2:10:03 A lot of them do.
Mark Normand 2:10:04 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:10:05 Competition, though.
Mark Normand 2:10:06 I know. That's primal shit.
Joe Rogan 2:10:07 They all want prime dick.
Mark Normand 2:10:09 Yeah. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 2:10:09 They all get mad when someone's getting the prime dick.
Mark Normand 2:10:12 Hot girl walks into a party, my wife hates her.
Joe Rogan 2:10:14 Really?
Mark Normand 2:10:14 She's like, "Fuck this bitch." I'm like, "She's nice. She gives to the poor. She's charitable." And she's like, "I hate her."
Joe Rogan 2:10:19 One of my wife's friends got super sa- upset because someone showed up at her wedding, uh-
Mark Normand 2:10:22 Oh, yeah
Joe Rogan 2:10:22 ... it was a, a date. This guy brought a date, and the date was super hot, and she had her tits out, and this lady was furious.
Mark Normand 2:10:28 [laughs] Yeah. It goes... It's innate.
Joe Rogan 2:10:32 She was... You know, she just overdid it.
Mark Normand 2:10:34 Right. Right. Exactly.
Joe Rogan 2:10:36 Listen, that lady could show up with a fucking b- like a, a Jabba the Hutt outfit on-
Mark Normand 2:10:41 Yeah
Joe Rogan 2:10:41 ... and you would hate her.
Mark Normand 2:10:42 [laughs]
Joe Rogan 2:10:42 She's hot. She's hot.
Mark Normand 2:10:44 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:10:44 She could have a cloak. She could be dressed like a monk, you'd hate her.
Mark Normand 2:10:46 Well-
Joe Rogan 2:10:46 She's beautiful
Mark Normand 2:10:47 ... in college, I lived with a guy who was 6'9", just, like, this big, beefy, Midwestern football player guy, and every bar we'd go to, pe- guys would try to fight him.
Joe Rogan 2:10:56 Of course.
Mark Normand 2:10:56 C- he was, like, a Birkenstock-wearing, kinda s- weed-smoking guy, and everybody, every guy was like, "You got a problem? Well, you think you're tough? You think you're hot shit? You think you're better than me?" And he's like, "Dude, I'm just sitting here drinking." And he would have to fight these guys.
Joe Rogan 2:11:08 Bro, I've seen that happen with MMA fighters.
Mark Normand 2:11:10 Really?
Joe Rogan 2:11:10 People will try to pick fights with MMA fighters. They get drunk, and they're retarded, and they just think, "I'll fuck this guy up."
Mark Normand 2:11:15 Yes.
Joe Rogan 2:11:16 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:11:17 That's crazy.
Joe Rogan 2:11:18 Stupid.
Mark Normand 2:11:18 Ah.
Joe Rogan 2:11:18 There's a lot of morons in this world. It's too easy to survive.
Mark Normand 2:11:22 [laughs] Good point.
Joe Rogan 2:11:22 It's too easy to be mor- We need wolves in the streets.
Mark Normand 2:11:24 Mm.
Joe Rogan 2:11:25 We need predators everywhere.
Mark Normand 2:11:26 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:11:26 We n- need to start, like, a r- real fear of the consequences of your actions.
Mark Normand 2:11:31 Yeah. That's why animals stay in line.
Joe Rogan 2:11:33 Exactly.
Mark Normand 2:11:34 You know, we talk all this shit about animals, but they're, like, they're keeping it the- They got gender roles. They're doing all the shit we're not supposed to do.
Joe Rogan 2:11:40 Not a lot of non-binary wolves.
Mark Normand 2:11:42 [laughs] Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:11:44 They don't make it.
Mark Normand 2:11:45 The male penguin gets the fish. The female watches the eggs. If they go... If he was like, "I wanna be a graphic designer. Fuck this shit," like-
Joe Rogan 2:11:51 Ah
Mark Normand 2:11:51 ... it would collapse.
Joe Rogan 2:11:52 Exactly.
Mark Normand 2:11:53 It would all fall apart.
Joe Rogan 2:11:54 Yeah. The idea of gender roles, like... You know, I had this lady on, um, who was, uh, explaining the r- the roots of feminism. It was, uh, the strangest conversation because, uh, she was, uh, talking about how all these people that started, like, radical feminism were all completely fucked up.
Mark Normand 2:12:12 Ah.
Joe Rogan 2:12:12 They were all out of their fucking minds.
Mark Normand 2:12:14 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:12:14 They're a- they're all, like, having all these affairs.
Mark Normand 2:12:17 Ah.
Joe Rogan 2:12:17 Not raising their kids, like, completely self-obsessed.
Mark Normand 2:12:21 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:12:21 And they're the ones who tricked all these women into being girl bosses.
Mark Normand 2:12:24 Oh, wow.
Joe Rogan 2:12:25 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:12:26 Well, anytime someone is too outlandish about something, there's always a, a trigger for that. There's always a reason.
Joe Rogan 2:12:32 Uh-huh.
Mark Normand 2:12:32 No, no matter what it is.
Joe Rogan 2:12:34 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:12:34 "I'm gonna take down these pedophiles," and you're like, "What's good? What's in your basement?"
Joe Rogan 2:12:37 Right.
Mark Normand 2:12:38 You know?
Joe Rogan 2:12:38 Right.
Mark Normand 2:12:38 Not, not meaning... I'm against pedophiles. I'm just saying.
Joe Rogan 2:12:40 Well, have you seen, like, when they did this, uh, w- like, when Pizzagate was happening.
Mark Normand 2:12:45 Mm-hmm.
Joe Rogan 2:12:45 There was all these people that debunked Pizzagate. Four of the journalists that debunked Pizzagate got arrested for either child sex crimes or child porn.
Mark Normand 2:12:54 Wow. There you go.
Joe Rogan 2:12:56 Isn't that crazy?
Mark Normand 2:12:57 It's, it's-
Joe Rogan 2:12:57 Guys are like, "This is an unfounded conspiracy theory. This is all bullshit."
Mark Normand 2:13:01 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:13:01 Well, they were pervs. Pedos.
Mark Normand 2:13:03 It's like, same with Bill Cosby. Why is he so gung-ho about you pulling your pants up, speaking right-
Joe Rogan 2:13:08 Yes
Mark Normand 2:13:08 ... don't curse?
Joe Rogan 2:13:09 Yes.
Mark Normand 2:13:09 There's something behind it. There's always something behind it.
Joe Rogan 2:13:11 Yes. He's the best example, right?
Mark Normand 2:13:14 Yeah. Ellen. Ellen is up there, "Be kind. I'm dancing," and then she's a-
Joe Rogan 2:13:18 Yeah
Mark Normand 2:13:18 ... the coues of the year.
Joe Rogan 2:13:19 Yeah. Well, I knew about that a long time ago 'cause Fitzsimmons worked for her.
Mark Normand 2:13:23 Yeah. [laughs] That's right. He told everybody.
Joe Rogan 2:13:24 Oh, he told everybody. He told me, like, pr- fucking decades ago. He's like, "She's such a cunt."
Mark Normand 2:13:30 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:13:30 I was like, "Really? Ellen?" I was shocked.
Mark Normand 2:13:33 Uh, me too. We all were.
Joe Rogan 2:13:34 I was like, "She seems so sweet."
Mark Normand 2:13:35 Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:13:35 "She seems so nice." He's like, "Dude, she's fucking horrible to her staff. She's horrible to everybody." I'm like, "Wow."
Mark Normand 2:13:41 Wow. There you go. And everybody loved her.
Joe Rogan 2:13:43 And it took during the pandemic when everybody was bored-
Mark Normand 2:13:45 Right. [laughs]
Joe Rogan 2:13:46 ... before it all came out.
Mark Normand 2:13:47 Right, right.
Joe Rogan 2:13:47 Someone was like, "Hey, let me tell you something about that lady."
Mark Normand 2:13:50 But one, one interesting takeaway is the fact that she was kind of canceled for being gay in the '90s.
Joe Rogan 2:13:56 Mm-hmm.
Mark Normand 2:13:57 Then she came out of it and became a star.
Joe Rogan 2:13:59 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:13:59 And then she got canceled for being mean. That's, that's progress.
Joe Rogan 2:14:01 Yeah.
Mark Normand 2:14:02 Right?
Joe Rogan 2:14:03 Yeah, but people celebrated her because she got canceled for being gay. They canceled her show. Isn't that nuts? Like, you could get a show on the air now if you were playing a gay character.
Mark Normand 2:14:12 Right.
Joe Rogan 2:14:13 They'd be like, "Ooh, diversity."
Mark Normand 2:14:15 Yes.
Joe Rogan 2:14:15 "This is, like, gonna get greenlit."
Mark Normand 2:14:16 Yeah. Well, it's funny how that gay used to be the ultimate insult in h- when I was in high school, and now I got friends like, "Tell them I'm bi."
Joe Rogan 2:14:23 Ah.
Mark Normand 2:14:23 "I'm trying to fit in."
Joe Rogan 2:14:24 Right.
Mark Normand 2:14:24 So it went from an insult to, like, a, a cool thing.
Joe Rogan 2:14:27 "I'm pansexual." That's my favorite.
Mark Normand 2:14:29 Yes. Yes.
Joe Rogan 2:14:29 "I'll fuck everybody."
Mark Normand 2:14:30 [laughs] Yeah.
Joe Rogan 2:14:31 "That's what it is. I'm attracted to everybody." Like, that's nuts.
Mark Normand 2:14:34 But in 20 years, you're gonna be like, "Tell them I'm a child molester."
Joe Rogan 2:14:36 Ooh.
Mark Normand 2:14:36 "I'm trying to fit in." Like-
Joe Rogan 2:14:37 Well-
Mark Normand 2:14:37 ... where does
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