Joe Rogan Experience #2471 - Mark Normand

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. SPSpeaker0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 2:22

   Special promotion, the dog in-studio, and the “too much content” era

   1. SPSpeaker0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

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      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]

   4. MNMark Normand0:13

      Yep.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Hey.

   6. MNMark Normand0:15

      Hey, Charlie Kirk.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Say hi to the little... No.

   8. MNMark Normand0:18

      [laughs] Don't shoot him.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      No. No, don't say that. No, don't say that.

   10. MNMark Normand0:22

       The dog's a Nazi. All right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       He's gonna sit right here and chill out. What up, dog? New Netflix special, out now.

   12. MNMark Normand0:30

       You got that right, fatty.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Let's fucking go.

   14. MNMark Normand0:32

       None Too Pleased. Check it out.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Let's fucking go.

   16. MNMark Normand0:33

       We, we just hit number five-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Woo

   18. MNMark Normand0:35

       ... so I'm trying to get to, to Uno.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Well, maybe this will do it.

   20. MNMark Normand0:38

       Hopefully.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Hopefully. I'll put it up on my Instagram when the show runs, too.

   22. MNMark Normand0:42

       All right. Thank you, thank you. Everything helps.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       It's a, a saturated market.

   24. MNMark Normand0:47

       I know. There's 19 comedy specials a day now, YouTube and Hulu and the other thing-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       It's not-

   26. MNMark Normand0:52

       ... 4chan.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       It's not just that. There's like... It, it just, you're competing with content. Like, you think about how many fucking shows there are now. It's kind of nuts.

   28. MNMark Normand1:01

       I mean, forget shows. There's shows, there's TikToks, there's Reels, there's Shorts.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       It-

   30. MNMark Normand1:06

       It never ends
3. 2:22 – 4:46

   War footage, ‘surgical strikes,’ and targeting journalists

   1. MNMark Normand2:22

      Ah, Iran. I, I mean, they've gotta be terrified. I don't know much about anything, but, uh, I would be scared to fight a country that is having a f- a fist fight on the White House lawn.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:33

      Uh-

   3. MNMark Normand2:33

      That's how badass and crazy we are. They're like, "We're fighting at the president's house, each other."

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:38

      Yeah.

   5. MNMark Normand2:39

      "We're gonna fuck you up."

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      I'm not thrilled about that.

   7. MNMark Normand2:42

      You're gonna be there?

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:43

      Yeah, I'll be there, but I'm not thrilled about it.

   9. MNMark Normand2:45

      Did you see this today?

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Doesn't seem like a wise idea. Yeah.

   11. MNMark Normand2:47

       Oh.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       It looks like they're targeting the fucking reporter.

   13. MNMark Normand2:50

       Whoa.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       Hey, Charlie. Come here, buddy.

   15. MNMark Normand2:53

       Oh, this dog's gonna be a, uh, it's gonna be a whole different show here.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       Nah, he'll calm down. He just has to relax. He's never, uh, been with me alone before.

   17. MNMark Normand3:03

       Oh.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       He's only been with my wife alone, but he loves me. He slept with me last... He sleeps in the bed-

   19. MNMark Normand3:08

       Ah, jeez

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       ... with my daughter, so he slept with me last night.

   21. MNMark Normand3:11

       Oh, boy.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       You're a little buddy.

   23. MNMark Normand3:14

       You, you bitch. That's good.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       You're a buddy.

   25. MNMark Normand3:15

       We got, we got diversity here. It's a brown dog.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       [laughs] Yeah, they, they attacked that reporter, man.

   27. MNMark Normand3:21

       Crazy.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       It looked... I mean, unless it was a wayward missile-

   29. MNMark Normand3:24

       Mm

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       ... which is like, what happened to precision strikes?
4. 4:46 – 5:52

   Netanyahu ‘AI cafe’ videos and the problem of believable fakes

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:46

      Yeah. What do you think about these Netanyahu AI videos?

   2. MNMark Normand4:50

      I haven't seen them.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      You haven't seen them?

   4. MNMark Normand4:52

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      Oh, they think he might be dead.

   6. MNMark Normand4:54

      What?

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:55

      Yeah. There's a bunch of AI videos that Israel has released that are, like, clearly AI.

   8. MNMark Normand5:01

      What?

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:02

      Show, show him the one where there's, in the c- the cafe. This one's nuts. Like, this one I would assume that some kid made.

   10. MNMark Normand5:11

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:11

       He was fucking around on his computer.

   12. MNMark Normand5:13

       All right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Like, I saw it, I was like, "There's no way they're really trying to pass this off as an actual video of Netanyahu at a cafe-

   14. MNMark Normand5:20

       Yeah

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       ... in the middle of the war, like everything is calm and peaceful." Uh, I couldn't tell. Was it that one? Yeah, this one. Well, that's one- Well, that's just a clip ... from a different video. Show the actual- Well, I can't, it said I didn't, um-

   16. MNMark Normand5:30

       BB

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       ... It's on the Israel website, uh, or the Israel Twitter page. Oh, really? Yeah. No, they released it. I didn't know that.

   18. MNMark Normand5:37

       Holy moly.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:38

       Yeah, it's-

   20. MNMark Normand5:38

       He's dead. That's crazy.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:39

       Oh, s- well, his brother's dead. His brother got killed in a missile strike.

   22. MNMark Normand5:43

       Recently?

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:44

       Yes.

   24. MNMark Normand5:44

       What?

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       Yes. They, they-

   26. MNMark Normand5:46

       What a battle to lose

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       ... struck his h- Are you just not online? What's going on?

   28. MNMark Normand5:49

       I just watch funny shit and goof around.

5. 5:52 – 11:08

   Drinking reset, club lifestyle, and slipping back into booze

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:52

      Pour some of that. Let's-

   2. MNMark Normand5:53

      I got you, baby

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      ... let's fucking go. Come on, give me some.

   4. MNMark Normand5:55

      Oh, hey, I thought you quit the sauce.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:56

      Oh, no, I got back on.

   6. MNMark Normand5:57

      Hey.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:59

      I'm back.

   8. MNMark Normand5:59

      I thought you got, you turned Muslim or something. I didn't know what happened.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Jihad. I'm back.

   10. MNMark Normand6:02

       Hell yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       Alhamdulillah. P- pour me one.

   12. MNMark Normand6:05

       Easy, Zoram.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       [laughs]

   14. MNMark Normand6:08

       Bodega Cat

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Cheers, sir.

   16. MNMark Normand6:10

       Cheers. Hey, good to be back

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       Yeah

   18. MNMark Normand6:12

       Without Ari's dead weight-

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Mm

   20. MNMark Normand6:14

       ... holding us down.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       I don't get drunk. Oof. I might piss off this stuff, though. But, uh, I have started drinking again. I took like eight months off. It was a good reset.

   22. MNMark Normand6:23

       I mean, I- you're so sure. I'll take a week off, and I'm like limitless.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       Yeah. Well, I realized that, uh, because of the club, I was just drinking too much.

   24. MNMark Normand6:31

       Right

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       And I was just tired all the time. Like, and I'd go to work out the next day, I was like, "God, I feel like shit. Why am I doing this to myself?" And then I took eight months off, then I had a glass of wine with dinner. I was like, "Ooh, I like it."

   26. MNMark Normand6:43

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       And then I had a margarita, and I was like, "Ooh, I'm back."

   28. MNMark Normand6:45

       It's a great time.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       This one. So look at this.

   30. MNMark Normand6:47

       Oh.
6. 11:08 – 12:38

   White House lawn fight card logistics + politicians should fight instead

   1. MNMark Normand11:08

      Now, why are you not, why are you not looking forward to the White House fight?

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:12

      Um, well, it's kind of a gimmick, you know?

   3. MNMark Normand11:14

      Of course.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:16

      There's that. And, you know, people are criticizing the card, but if it was any other card, it's a great card.

   5. MNMark Normand11:21

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:22

      It just, they're criticizing it 'cause they said it was gonna be the greatest card of all time. And it's also, it's just gonna be a security nightmare.

   7. MNMark Normand11:28

      That's true.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:29

      You're on the White House lawn. Also, they're fighting outside. What if it rains? What if it's hot?

   9. MNMark Normand11:33

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:34

       You're in the middle of June.

   11. MNMark Normand11:35

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:35

       June in DC can get pretty warm.

   13. MNMark Normand11:37

       Yep, yep.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       That, that affects fighters. Like, we only did one outside fight that I was a part of, and that was in Abu Dhabi, and it was a nightmare.

   15. MNMark Normand11:46

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:46

       It, it was really hot, and there was bugs flying around that were si- of f- size of fucking birds.

   17. MNMark Normand11:51

       Oof.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       It was crazy.

   19. MNMark Normand11:53

       It's like stand-up.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:54

       Yeah.

   21. MNMark Normand11:54

       You, you gotta do it indoors.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:55

       100%.

   23. MNMark Normand11:56

       Outside is hell-

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       Yeah

   25. MNMark Normand11:57

       ... for stand-up.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       Yeah, it's terrible. Terrible.

   27. MNMark Normand11:59

       Yeah. Most shows are bad outside. But here's my idea. We do White House fight, but we fight politicians.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:04

       Mm.

   29. MNMark Normand12:05

       Huh? Get Boebert versus AOC.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       Ooh.
7. 12:38 – 16:24

   Clintons, Epstein, ‘body count’ lore, and who’s culpable

   1. MNMark Normand12:38

      But Hillary's around. What is she doing?

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:40

      She's, uh, probably eating pussy.

   3. MNMark Normand12:43

      Ah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:44

      You think?

   5. MNMark Normand12:45

      I hope. I mean, she needs-

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:46

      [laughs]

   7. MNMark Normand12:46

      ... a relief. This gu- this lady's... I kinda like Hillary just 'cause she's, you know, she got cheated on publicly with the Monica thing, now she's doing the Epstein's Island stuff. She lost the presidential race, and she's still out there. She's kind of a badass. I would kill myself at this point.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:03

      Well, she's also got, like, a list of people that have mysteriously disappeared-

   9. MNMark Normand13:08

      Oh, is that right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       ... that are attached to her and Bill.

   11. MNMark Normand13:11

       Oh, really?

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:11

       Yeah, you don't know about that?

   13. MNMark Normand13:12

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       For real?

   15. MNMark Normand13:14

       I know-

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       You don't know about the Clinton body count?

   17. MNMark Normand13:16

       I know Norm was on The View years ago, and he said Clinton killed a guy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       Yeah, he said he killed a bunch of people, I think.

   19. MNMark Normand13:22

       That's where I get my information.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       [laughs] It's a good way to get it, from The View.

   21. MNMark Normand13:25

       [laughs] But, uh-

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       Super solid, detailed information.

   23. MNMark Normand13:27

       But she's getting, like, grilled by the Epstein people, or about Epstein-

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       Yeah

   25. MNMark Normand13:31

       ... and she's just, like, going off. And Bill's reminiscing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       Well, she walked... She stormed out because, uh, Lauren Boebert took a picture of her-

   27. MNMark Normand13:39

       Oh

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       ... and posted it online. Like, "That's it. I'm leaving."

   29. MNMark Normand13:43

       Yeah. [laughs]

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:44

       Like, how are you allowed to leave?
8. 16:24 – 20:52

   Cigars, reality TV, and why true crime dominates women’s media

   1. MNMark Normand16:24

      Speaking of which-

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:24

      Yeah

   3. MNMark Normand16:24

      ... have you got any of those Stogies?

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      Yeah, let's bust them out.

   5. MNMark Normand16:27

      I would love a Stogie.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:28

      Let's go.

   7. MNMark Normand16:29

      Hell yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:30

      Let's go.

   9. MNMark Normand16:30

      Boy, I... See, I can't keep up with all the news. You know about Epstein, you know about Iran, you know about Israel, you know about Hillary. This is, uh-

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yeah. I barely know. I'm off, uh, social media. I've been off social media for a while. The only time I'm on is when someone sends me something funny.

   11. MNMark Normand16:46

       Oh, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       And then I go and check it, and then, uh, I find myself scrolling for, like, 30 seconds, and I go, "Stop."

   13. MNMark Normand16:51

       That's how they get you.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       "Stop fucking scrolling."

   15. MNMark Normand16:53

       It's impossible.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Um, these-

   17. MNMark Normand16:55

       They're so good at it

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       ... these say Knuckle Sandwich. Where did these come from?

   19. MNMark Normand16:59

       Hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Knuckle Sandwich is, uh... That can't be the same place, 'cause there's a... Isn't there a place? There's Knuckle Sandwich, which is the sandwich truck in Austin, which is awesome.

   21. MNMark Normand17:13

       And it's Chris Brown's album.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:14

       Hey. Ga, ga, ga, ga, ga.

   23. SPSpeaker17:17

       Guy Fieri cigars.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       Oh, these are Guy Fieri cigars. All right, let's hope they're good.

   25. MNMark Normand17:21

       Did you see that Bachelorette who got kicked off for beating the shit out of her husband?

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       Yo.

   27. MNMark Normand17:25

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       For real?

   29. MNMark Normand17:26

       My wife-

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       On the show?
9. 20:52 – 26:32

   ASMR street food and ‘satisfying videos’ as mental escape

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:52

      One of the things that I've been watching a lot when the world is going completely crazy, I watch people making street food in other countries.

   2. MNMark Normand20:59

      Oh, that's-

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:59

      With no language, no talking. It's all ASMR. It's all them cooking.

   4. MNMark Normand21:03

      Oh, yeah, and no regulations either.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:05

      Bring 'em over here. Bring 'em over here. Come on over.

   6. MNMark Normand21:07

      I mean, they're, they're not washing hands over there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:09

      Come here, Char Char. Char Char, have a seat.

   8. MNMark Normand21:12

      And they'll use roadkill, whatever. Like, they don't, they, they don't give a shit.

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:15

      No, they're, they're, they're using good food. It was Afghanistan. They were making roast chicken.

   10. MNMark Normand21:19

       Ugh, come on.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:20

       Dude, I'm telling you. I'll, I'll send it to Jamie, and you'll watch it.

   12. MNMark Normand21:24

       All right. All right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:24

       It's exciting.

   14. MNMark Normand21:25

       I mean, I ate halal trucks for 10 years when I was broke in New York.

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:28

       Oh, they're great.

   16. MNMark Normand21:29

       They're great.

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:29

       They are great.

   18. MNMark Normand21:29

       But I, I could be eating pigeon and, uh-

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       Yeah, you probably are

   20. MNMark Normand21:32

       ... children.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:33

       Not children, but definitely pigeon. Probably a pigeon's made it into your mouth a couple of times.

   22. MNMark Normand21:38

       [laughs] All right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       Let me find these motherfuckers. I watch so much too. YouTube is my number one thing-

   24. MNMark Normand21:44

       Same

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       ... 'cause I'm off social, social media.

   26. MNMark Normand21:45

       I love it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:46

       It's my number one thing for distraction.

   28. MNMark Normand21:50

       Whoa.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:51

       Oh, yeah, this is exactly... Jamie, you're the best. This is it, most cheap food in Afghanistan. This guy, uh, he sets up. They cook all this stuff, and you, you wa- I mean, it's like a 40-minute video or something. How long is it?

   30. SPSpeaker22:03

       Yeah.
10. 26:32 – 30:06

    Cameo economy and the weirdness of monetized shout-outs

    1. JRJoe Rogan26:32

       Who's, who makes the most on Cameo? They're still doing that?

    2. SPSpeaker26:35

       Yeah.

    3. MNMark Normand26:36

       Really?

    4. SPSpeaker26:36

       Yeah.

    5. MNMark Normand26:37

       Wow.

    6. JRJoe Rogan26:37

       Who's, like, the number one earner on Cameo?

    7. MNMark Normand26:39

       That's a great question.

    8. SPSpeaker26:40

       Uh-

    9. MNMark Normand26:40

       I'm sure Dynomite had a run. It's gotta be somebody with a catchphrase.

    10. JRJoe Rogan26:44

        Is Jimmy Walker still alive?

    11. MNMark Normand26:46

        Oh, yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan26:46

        Is he still touring?

    13. MNMark Normand26:48

        I, I'd imagine. I don't know how he pays the bills.

    14. JRJoe Rogan26:51

        Yeah.

    15. MNMark Normand26:51

        These old guys, you wonder how they have money.

    16. JRJoe Rogan26:54

        Right.

    17. MNMark Normand26:54

        Can that last? Like, how long does Dynomite-

    18. JRJoe Rogan26:57

        You know what I worry about? Guys who were, like, middle acts-

    19. MNMark Normand26:59

        Mm

    20. JRJoe Rogan26:59

        ... like, 20 years ago-

    21. MNMark Normand27:01

        Yes

    22. JRJoe Rogan27:01

        ... and they just faded out. Like, what are you doing now?

    23. MNMark Normand27:05

        I assume Uber or something.

    24. SPSpeaker27:07

        Currently, currently number one, John Kiracou.

    25. JRJoe Rogan27:08

        John Kiracou is number one?

    26. SPSpeaker27:10

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan27:11

        That's crazy.

    28. SPSpeaker27:13

        He's a starter.

    29. JRJoe Rogan27:13

        So he does Cameos?

    30. SPSpeaker27:14

        And that's my buddy Bob.
11. 30:06 – 34:16

    Wild coincidences, morphic resonance, and survival stories with ants

    1. MNMark Normand30:06

       The craziest coincidence of all, and, and get, get your fingers ready, Jamo.

    2. SPSpeaker30:11

       Uh-oh.

    3. MNMark Normand30:11

       Dennis the Menace, the cartoon, was invented in England and in America on the same day.

    4. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       What?

    5. MNMark Normand30:19

       Put that in your pipe and jizz on it. Get, get that cooking.

    6. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       What?

    7. MNMark Normand30:23

       Oh, yeah. 'Cause they were like, "Oh, you must have stolen this." So they went back and, and researched it. They were both invented, same character, same name, on the same day in the same year.

    8. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       That makes no sense.

    9. MNMark Normand30:34

       Isn't that bananas? My brain blew up.

    10. JRJoe Rogan30:37

        That literally makes no sense.

    11. MNMark Normand30:38

        It's crazy.So that's a fun one.

    12. JRJoe Rogan30:41

        How is that possible?

    13. MNMark Normand30:42

        I don't know. Just, you know, a monkey's writing on a typewriter, eventually you get Shakespeare. Two guys thinking of the same thing-

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:49

        Hmm

    15. MNMark Normand30:49

        ... same day across the pond.

    16. JRJoe Rogan30:50

        Maybe that's one of those things. Like, what is that called? Like, um, like Berenstain Bears, The Mandala Effect.

    17. MNMark Normand30:58

        Oh, yeah.

    18. SPSpeaker30:58

        Oh, that's not the same thing, 'cause that's like when it's not real.

    19. MNMark Normand31:01

        Oh.

    20. SPSpeaker31:01

        This is something that's real. [laughs]

    21. MNMark Normand31:02

        That's true.

    22. JRJoe Rogan31:03

        Right. That's right. Right.

    23. SPSpeaker31:04

        There's a-

    24. JRJoe Rogan31:05

        No, I'm thinking of the wrong things. [laughs]

    25. SPSpeaker31:06

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan31:07

        What does Perplexity say? Our lovely AI sponsor Perplexity says there's actually two completely separate Dennis the Menace comic strip characters that debuted almost simultaneously in 1951, created independently in the UK and the US. So how would they even know about each other back then?

    27. MNMark Normand31:23

        Oh, sorry, it's 17th and 12th, so they're five days apart.

    28. JRJoe Rogan31:26

        Who started first? British was the 17th.

    29. MNMark Normand31:29

        Okay.

    30. JRJoe Rogan31:29

        On sale, issue dated 17 March, on sale 12 March, created by these guys, American, on 12 March. No. Like-
12. 34:16 – 37:28

    Suicide, Golden Gate Bridge regrets, and the cost of untreated depression

    1. MNMark Normand34:16

       That is kooky. It's like when those guys jump off the Golden Gate Bridge, and a seal... A guy jump off, broke all his bones, and a seal pushed him to the shore.

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:25

       Whoa.

    3. MNMark Normand34:25

       That's in the documentary, The Bridge, and-

    4. JRJoe Rogan34:28

       A f- a friend of mine did that and died.

    5. MNMark Normand34:30

       Really?

    6. JRJoe Rogan34:30

       Yeah, he killed himself.

    7. MNMark Normand34:31

       It's the number one spot to kill yourself.

    8. JRJoe Rogan34:33

       Yeah. RIP Tony Antigone. He's a buddy of mine that, uh, was a professional pool player-

    9. MNMark Normand34:38

       Hmm

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:39

        ... that, uh, I did commentary with him on a pool match in the '90s. He was in a book called Playing Off the Rail. It's a great book by this guy, uh, David MacComber, who was Hunter S. Thompson's editor-

    11. MNMark Normand34:51

        Ah

    12. JRJoe Rogan34:51

        ... in, I wanna say Seattle, something like that. I forget what newspaper. But, um, when Hunter was, like, off the rails and out of his fucking mind too-

    13. MNMark Normand35:00

        Mm-hmm

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:00

        ... it was perfect, another different kind of off the rail.

    15. MNMark Normand35:03

        Right. Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan35:03

        So he followed my friend Tony all across the country, uh, gambling. They-

    17. MNMark Normand35:08

        Hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan35:08

        It, it's a great book about, like, pool hustling.

    19. MNMark Normand35:10

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:11

        Tony was, like, a world-class professional pool player, and they went around the country gambling, and I don't know what happened with him, but I lost touch with him. And then, uh-

    21. MNMark Normand35:19

        Was he Golden Gate?

    22. JRJoe Rogan35:21

        Yeah.

    23. MNMark Normand35:21

        Oh, damn.

    24. JRJoe Rogan35:22

        Yeah.

    25. MNMark Normand35:22

        It's like they all know to go there.

    26. JRJoe Rogan35:23

        Well, he was a San Francisco guy.

    27. MNMark Normand35:25

        Ah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan35:25

        He lived, he lived up there his whole life, and, um, I got this message from a friend of mine. Tony jumped off the bridge. I was like, "No."

    29. MNMark Normand35:32

        Whoa.

    30. JRJoe Rogan35:34

        [sighs]
13. 37:28 – 42:05

    Assassination attempts, ‘conspiracy’ stigma, and living in an AI/info fog

    1. JRJoe Rogan37:28

       The Kirk thing's weird. The Kirk thing's weird because now there's video footage from behind.

    2. MNMark Normand37:33

       Is that right?

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:34

       Yeah. It, it... I mean, the round that he was supposedly shot with was a .30-06, which is a big round. That's a round that you'd kill a moose with.

    4. MNMark Normand37:42

       Uh-huh.

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:43

       And it doesn't even have an exit wound.

    6. MNMark Normand37:45

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:45

       It don't make no sense. It makes zero sense.

    8. MNMark Normand37:48

       Well, you hear about this Joe Kent.

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:50

       Yeah.

    10. MNMark Normand37:50

        Yeah, they told him not to research or investigate.

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:53

        Yes.

    12. MNMark Normand37:54

        So what's up with that?

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:55

        He said that they were told to stop their investigation-

    14. MNMark Normand37:59

        Yeah

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:59

        ... and that they were gonna handle it.

    16. MNMark Normand38:00

        And he just resigned.

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:01

        And meanwhile, have they handled it? Like, we haven't seen that guy, the, the guy who loves furries, who supposedly killed Charlie Kirk.

    18. MNMark Normand38:07

        Tyler... Something.

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:09

        Robinson.

    20. MNMark Normand38:09

        Yeah, yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:10

        Yeah. We haven't seen him talk. He hasn't-

    22. MNMark Normand38:12

        No

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:13

        ... he hasn't said he did it. He hasn't said he didn't do it. There's no known, like, independent video of him talking about it.

    24. MNMark Normand38:19

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:20

        And then there was footage of him, like, at a yoga shop-

    26. MNMark Normand38:23

        Right

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:23

        ... like way across town, like 20 minutes later. The whole thing is, like, super sus.

    28. MNMark Normand38:27

        It's similar with the goat shot Trump, whatever his name was. He had three names.

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:31

        Oh yeah, that kid.

    30. MNMark Normand38:33

        That-
14. 42:05 – 49:12

    Government fraud, DOGE claims, and why big systems resist scrutiny

    1. MNMark Normand42:05

       But if it is true, I don't know if it all, it all is true with the fraud and everything, but I'm like, can we stop it? Can we get the money back? Can we help people who are paying taxes who are not getting anything out of it, and it's all going to some guy in a Cybertruck? Like-

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:20

       [laughs]

    3. MNMark Normand42:21

       ... wh- when, where, where's the redemption? Where's the, uh, comeuppance or the...

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:25

       Well, this is the thing that Elon Musk told me about during the DOGE stuff. He said the biggest fraud in this country is Medicare fraud, Medicaid fraud.

    5. MNMark Normand42:33

       Ooh.

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:33

       He's like-

    7. MNMark Normand42:33

       Right

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:33

       ... and that, if that gets... He goes like, "I don't even wanna talk about it 'cause I don't want them to kill me."

    9. MNMark Normand42:37

       Whoa.

    10. JRJoe Rogan42:38

        He literally said that. He's like, "We're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud."

    11. MNMark Normand42:42

        But don't we have the worst healthcare or whatever?

    12. JRJoe Rogan42:44

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    13. MNMark Normand42:45

        Huh.

    14. JRJoe Rogan42:46

        But it doesn't matter. It's not about actual healthcare. It's about using the system to extract money, pretending you have a daycare-

    15. MNMark Normand42:53

        Mm

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:53

        ... pretending you have a hospice-

    17. MNMark Normand42:54

        Mm

    18. JRJoe Rogan42:54

        ... pretending you have a this and a that, and really you're just lying about who's there and collecting checks from the government.

    19. MNMark Normand43:02

        Whoa.

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:02

        'Cause if you have a bunch of clients... Like, there was one place in Minneapolis that was saying they were feeding, like, 5,000 people a day. They never saw more than 40 people there. They investigated.

    21. MNMark Normand43:10

        Wow.

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:10

        Like, this is just, they're just taking money.

    23. MNMark Normand43:13

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:13

        And they're getting millions and millions of dollars.

    25. MNMark Normand43:15

        Millions.

    26. JRJoe Rogan43:16

        It's crazy. But you gotta think, if this thing has been going on for so long, they probably have a whole system, no one's ever investigated it, it's been happening for over a decade, and they just like, "This is what we do," and they-

    27. MNMark Normand43:27

        Yeah

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:27

        ... they're all just cashing in.

    29. MNMark Normand43:29

        Yeah, but I don't know. Like, my friend lives in Minneapolis. He's a, an old pal, and he's like, "I've known Tim Walz my whole life. He was always the governor, and he's a nice guy." But then you see this shit, and you're like, so is he stupid or is he, uh, corrupt?

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:43

        Well, you can know someone and think they're a nice guy 'cause they're a nice guy to you.
15. 49:12 – 1:06:48

    Religion vs extremism: Islamists, Christian Armageddon beliefs, and cult logic

    1. MNMark Normand49:12

       Yeah, and I think, I have a theory that Muslim is cool. Muslim is like the new Black. It's cool. Muslim's hip now. It's different. It's, uh, exotic. It's fun.

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:23

       The... I think the, the problem is people conflate Muslim and Islamist.

    3. MNMark Normand49:28

       Sure.

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:28

       And that's two very different things. Like, I know a lot of Muslims, and they're great people.

    5. MNMark Normand49:31

       Totally.

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:32

       But Islamists are people that want a global caliphate, and they want-

    7. MNMark Normand49:36

       Yes

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:36

       ... you know, they want death to the infidels.

    9. MNMark Normand49:38

       Mm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:38

        This is the difference between Iran and, like, Saudi Arabia.

    11. MNMark Normand49:42

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:42

        Like, Saudi Arabia are Muslims. The Iranians are Islamists.

    13. MNMark Normand49:45

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:46

        And they're, they're state-sponsored terrorism, the whole deal.

    15. MNMark Normand49:48

        Yeah, yeah. Well, any extreme. You know, like a Hasidic Jew versus a Paul Rudd.

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:53

        Yes.

    17. MNMark Normand49:54

        You know?

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:54

        Right, right, right.

    19. MNMark Normand49:54

        Paul Rudd's a fun guy, has a cocktail. He's a funny movie. And then a, a Hasidic Jew is like, "All right. Let me cut your foreskin off and suck the blood."

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:03

        Right. Give you herpes.

    21. MNMark Normand50:05

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:05

        Or these crazy fucking right-wing radical Christian nationalists-

    23. MNMark Normand50:09

        Mm

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:09

        ... that think that we're supposed to be over in Israel so that Jesus can come back on a white horse.

    25. MNMark Normand50:14

        [laughs]

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:15

        Have you seen that?

    27. MNMark Normand50:16

        No, no.

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:17

        Oh, Jamie, pull that story up that I sent you, or I could resend it to you if you want. There's-

    29. MNMark Normand50:21

        Wow

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:21

        ... there's a crazy story that was on Yahoo about this guy who's a non-commissioned officer that went to a military debriefing.
16. 1:06:48 – 1:29:31

    Hollywood, fame, aging, and cosmetic dysmorphia (J.Lo to Barry Manilow)

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:06:48

       Well, Live from the, the, um-

    2. MNMark Normand1:06:50

       Purple Onion

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:50

       ... Purple Onion, yeah

    4. MNMark Normand1:06:51

       Yes, yes

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:51

       Great fucking special

    6. MNMark Normand1:06:52

       Great special. He had that thing where he'd get fake angry and play the piano. He was-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:56

       He's a good dude too

    8. MNMark Normand1:06:58

       Good guy

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:58

       He's a really good dude. Like, every time I've had interactions with him, I'm like, "This is a so-" He's, like, not Hollywood at all.

    10. MNMark Normand1:07:05

        No, no, he's a South Carolina guy

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:07:07

        Bought a farm, lives on-

    12. MNMark Normand1:07:08

        Oh, yeah

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:07:08

        ... a farm now. Yeah.

    14. MNMark Normand1:07:09

        See?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:07:10

        I mean, he bar- barely works

    16. MNMark Normand1:07:11

        Yeah

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:07:12

        He just ki- kinda lives his life

    18. MNMark Normand1:07:14

        I mean, he's kind of a phenom-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:07:15

        [laughs]

    20. MNMark Normand1:07:15

        ... 'cause his stand-up was good, and then he just, like... You know, Todd Phillips fought for him in The Hangover.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:20

        Oh.

    22. MNMark Normand1:07:20

        They're like, "We don't know this fucking guy. He's a nobody." And he's like, "I'm telling you, this guy's good." And he, he stole the movie

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:24

        Stole the movie, yeah. No, he's a great comic. And that Between Two Ferns thing-

    24. MNMark Normand1:07:28

        Oh, it was brilliant

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:30

        ... amazing. Amazing

    26. MNMark Normand1:07:30

        Brilliant

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:07:31

        No, he's great, man

    28. MNMark Normand1:07:32

        Yeah, he just gets you on, uh... He had Seinfeld on, he's trashing him.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:35

        Yeah

    30. MNMark Normand1:07:35

        He's trashing, uh, Paul Rudd. He's got, like, a, all these... Ah, it's great
17. 1:29:31 – 2:14:38

    Comedy culture wars: ‘punching down,’ pile-ons, and why discourse broke

    1. MNMark Normand1:29:31

       Now you can do that on social media in two seconds, and some kid'll kill himself.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:29:35

       Yeah. Yeah.

    3. MNMark Normand1:29:36

       Happens all the time.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:29:37

       And then there's, like, pile-ons that people do.

    5. MNMark Normand1:29:39

       Yes.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:29:40

       When comics do pile-ons, I'm like, good lord.

    7. MNMark Normand1:29:43

       It's a-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:29:43

       I, I have, like, a mental list of people that do pile-ons that I'm like, I'll never fuck with you again.

    9. MNMark Normand1:29:48

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:29:48

        I'll never... I don't wanna ever talk to you.

    11. MNMark Normand1:29:50

        Right.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:29:50

        If I ever see you, I'm like, you're just, you're waiting to turn on people.

    13. MNMark Normand1:29:54

        It's strange.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:29:55

        Yeah.

    15. MNMark Normand1:29:56

        W- a- and as Bill Burr would say, we're all eating a shit sandwich out here. Like, why do you have to make this harder?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:30:00

        Yeah.

    17. MNMark Normand1:30:01

        We're trying to be comedians. It's like a crazy, uh, job to go for.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:30:06

        Well, one thing that they all have in common is they're all not doing well.

    19. MNMark Normand1:30:09

        Mm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:30:10

        Like, it's all comics that are failing.

    21. MNMark Normand1:30:12

        I guess so.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:30:13

        Yeah. And then they're seeing all these other people that are taking off and doing really well. Like when Shane, when they piled on Shane.

    23. MNMark Normand1:30:18

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:30:19

        It was because Shane's talented, and that they were really kinda scared of him.

    25. MNMark Normand1:30:23

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:30:23

        'Cause when someone like that guy could take off, and now he has taken off, and now they-

    27. MNMark Normand1:30:27

        Yes

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:30:27

        ... now they're fucked.

    29. MNMark Normand1:30:28

        [laughs]

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:30:28

        They can't say nothing. And then we all remember.

Episode duration: 2:43:37