Theo Von on Joe Rogan: Why humming a song kills monetization

Joe Rogan 0:00 [upbeat music]

Joe Rogan 0:02 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

Theo Von 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] People making that. Thank you. Bunch of fucking communists.

Theo Von 0:16 Who do you mean by those people?

Joe Rogan 0:18 Uh, you know.

Theo Von 0:20 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 0:20 You know.

Theo Von 0:22 It's changed over the years [laughs] .

Joe Rogan 0:23 The ones with the horns. I don't know. You know.

Theo Von 0:26 You mean band members? [laughs] Who are you talking about here?

Joe Rogan 0:29 Uh, stuff.

Theo Von 0:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Uh, music. Music industry.

Theo Von 0:33 Dude, yeah, I was gonna-

Joe Rogan 0:33 We were just talking about, we should tell people what we're talking about. If you hum a song, just like fuck around, and like-

Theo Von 0:40 Yeah

Joe Rogan 0:40 ... you know, like the Cocaine song, you know what I mean? If you play Eric Clapton, you know, if you do that, you'll get flagged on YouTube. They, and they take money from you.

Theo Von 0:50 How desperate is that?

Joe Rogan 0:51 It's gross. Like, you can't even hum a song? You can't... Like, what are you talking about?

Theo Von 0:56 You can't even hum. In the future, you're not even gonna be able to fall in love. They're gonna charge you for it.

Joe Rogan 1:00 How are they gonna do that?

Theo Von 1:01 They'll find-

Joe Rogan 1:01 Well, you won't be falling in love with a person anymore. P- people will be outdated. People come with problems.

Theo Von 1:08 I ain't coming on no bot.

Joe Rogan 1:09 No? Ever? What about in one?

Theo Von 1:12 No. What will they do with it?

Joe Rogan 1:13 No? Keep it.

Theo Von 1:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15 Maybe that's what keeps them alive. Imagine that.

Theo Von 1:18 Let me think about it for just a second.

Joe Rogan 1:19 You gotta fuck her every day to keep her alive. If you don't, she starts shriveling up on you.

Theo Von 1:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Like she's on Ozempic.

Theo Von 1:24 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 1:25 So she's Latino, you're saying. [laughs] Is that what you're saying?

Joe Rogan 1:27 You gotta keep her plump. You gotta keep her plump.

Theo Von 1:29 You gotta keep her... You gotta keep, uh, you gotta keep the juices flowing, huh?

Joe Rogan 1:32 There'd be guys that would sign up for that. "Okay, I could, I think I could do that."

Theo Von 1:36 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:36 But d- day 5,026 in a row, you'd be like, "Oh my God, I can't do this."

Theo Von 1:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43 And then she's dying.

Theo Von 1:45 Why is she dying? She's electric, isn't she?

Joe Rogan 1:47 She's only p- gets powered by cum.

Theo Von 1:49 Oh. Oh, that's sad.

Joe Rogan 1:51 And three days with no cum, she shuts off, and that's it, and you can't bring her back.

Theo Von 1:55 I'd shut her down quick. [laughs] I'll tell you that, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:57 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:58 She would be, I-

Joe Rogan 2:00 You have to let your buddies fuck her just to, like, keep her alive.

Theo Von 2:02 Oh, that's gonna be gross, Joe.

Joe Rogan 2:04 It would be.

Theo Von 2:06 And it would be sad and stuff like that, and you'd have some buddy, like, late at night, like, "Hey, bro."

Joe Rogan 2:10 Who loves her.

Theo Von 2:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11 He loves her.

Theo Von 2:11 "What's your wife doing?" [laughs] Like, texting you at like-

Joe Rogan 2:13 Oh, no

Theo Von 2:14 ... 4:00 AM.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Bro, if you need me to keep her alive-

Theo Von 2:16 Like, bro. Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:16 ... he's over there stroking it while he's on the phone with you.

Theo Von 2:19 Bro, plug your wife in for a little bit, bro.

Joe Rogan 2:21 Oh.

Theo Von 2:21 Let me charge... Yeah. Let me come over there.

Joe Rogan 2:23 We're getting close. Did you see those ones they have at the con- consumer electronics show in Vegas?

Theo Von 2:28 The dancing ones?

Joe Rogan 2:28 It's an... No, it's an AI companion that's a robot. It's like a very pretty lady, and her mouth moves, and she talks, and it's not there yet, but it's in the neighborhood. You know? It's not at the right door, but it just entered the community. You know what I mean? You know?

Theo Von 2:43 You think so?

Joe Rogan 2:43 You know, some communities have that awning, the welcome to, like, Paradise Estates, and you go through and there's all the houses in the subsection.

Theo Von 2:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:50 It's in the door.

Theo Von 2:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:51 It's in the door.

Theo Von 2:52 Like just welcome to-

Joe Rogan 2:52 It's not at your house yet

Theo Von 2:53 ... Hidden Oaks or whatever.

Joe Rogan 2:54 Exactly.

Theo Von 2:55 Or Hunter's Glen-

Joe Rogan 2:56 Exactly

Theo Von 2:56 ... or Racist Cove or whatever.

Joe Rogan 2:58 The fuck robot has made it through onto your street.

Theo Von 3:02 Bro-

Joe Rogan 3:02 It's just not at your house yet, and it will be in 5 to 10 years.

Theo Von 3:06 My kids aren't fucking robots. I'll tell-

Joe Rogan 3:08 They will. If you have kids, they're gonna fuck robots.

Theo Von 3:09 No, they won't, Joe.

Joe Rogan 3:10 You won't be able to stop them. All their friends are gonna be able to do it. It'd be rude. It'd be like keeping them off social media.

Theo Von 3:14 [laughs] Wow, that's crazy, dude.

Joe Rogan 3:18 If you keep your kids off social media, they feel left out.

Theo Von 3:21 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:21 They're like, "Come on, Dad, let me get Snapchat."

Theo Von 3:24 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:24 Like, "No, son."

Theo Von 3:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:25 "I want you to concentrate on your homework and your football."

Theo Von 3:29 "Come on, Dad."

Joe Rogan 3:30 "Come on, Dad, let me get Snapchat."

Theo Von 3:32 "No. One e- look," you- your dad wakes you up early, he's like, "Look, one of you little bastards left the fricking cum robot in the yard."

Joe Rogan 3:38 [laughs]

Theo Von 3:40 "Which one of you?"

Joe Rogan 3:41 All delirious.

Theo Von 3:42 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:42 Covered in cum. All your friends fucked it.

Theo Von 3:45 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Ugh.

Theo Von 3:46 That's sad.

Joe Rogan 3:47 You know?

Theo Von 3:47 But I do think that one day our smiles will be in a museum. That's where we're headed. It's like-

Joe Rogan 3:51 Mm

Theo Von 3:51 ... the feelings are starting to disappear, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:54 Maybe that's what autism is. Like, severe autism.

Theo Von 3:58 Oh, I've thought about that a lot, that that's why we're getting to some of the... Like, the only way we could get to this place, if we get to this data-driven place where it's like, you know, alien-esque, it's-

Joe Rogan 4:08 Mm

Theo Von 4:08 ... things start to feel alien-esque here is because-

Joe Rogan 4:10 Yeah

Theo Von 4:11 ... of, um, autism leading, uh... It's when autism mixes with, um, what's it called? Our society's based on money. Capitalism.

Joe Rogan 4:18 Mm.

Theo Von 4:19 When autism and capitalism converge, things get really weird.

Joe Rogan 4:22 Right. And think about it, right? We don't know exactly what is causing autism. They have a lot of suspicions. A lot of them have to do with vaccines, and different medications, and different chemicals and pollutants-

Theo Von 4:32 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 4:32 ... and all sorts of different things. But one-

Theo Von 4:34 And cologne too

Joe Rogan 4:35 ... one thing we could all agree on, and Tylenol they think too, right? But one thing that we can all agree on, it's a big factor is stuff that we've created. It's a big factor. Whatever it is.

Theo Von 4:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:48 Let's, let's not put the blame on any one of these industries, but there's something going on where more people are getting autism now than ever, and it seems almost positive that it's coming from us.

Theo Von 5:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:02 That we did something. Human society. Well, if you think about where human society's going, wouldn't that be a way to turn us into something new, right? If we're gonna merge with machines, what better way than to, like, eliminate empathy, eliminate emotions, make us, like, able to, like, stay at home and stare at a screen for hours at a time with no concern whatsoever. Just the kind of social detachment along with the integration of all this crazy new technology. And the peop- a lot of the people that are in the tech business at high levels-

Theo Von 5:39 Tizzing up

Joe Rogan 5:39 ... are on the spectrum.

Theo Von 5:40 Oh, dude. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:41 Right?

Theo Von 5:41 They're on the fucking diving board of the spectrum.

Joe Rogan 5:43 And they're the ones bringing in AI.

Theo Von 5:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 5:45 They're bringing in the next version of life. Kind of w- I mean, almo- like, we're thinking it's like a, a mistake, but it might not be.

Theo Von 5:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:55 It might be, like, a crucial part of the system. When you get further and further integrated with technology, and all the stuff that you need to make it, and all the stuff that's involved in capitalism, including, like, lying about what medic- medications kids needs, and giving them this, and giving them that.

Theo Von 6:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:10 Lying about what kind of, what the pesticides do or the chemicals do or, you know, whatever it is.What is, what is that ultimately doing? If it's, if it's leading people to be on the spectrum more and more often, what if one day it's not one in 12 in California, if it's 100%?

Theo Von 6:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Everybody. You got a full spectrum society-

Theo Von 6:29 And-

Joe Rogan 6:29 ... and there's no regular people left.

Theo Von 6:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:32 You have to think about that. If it's one in 12 boys right now in California, and it used to be, like, one in 10,000, this is like an invasion.

Theo Von 6:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Like an invasion of, like, of a way that people think that's entering into human civilization.

Theo Von 6:49 Yeah. And I feel like it was... I, I agree, right? So then it's like those... And, and then if you don't have this, like, uprising, this emotional uprising out of people of like, you know, like, "This is wrong," 'cause I think, like, um, you know, when you get real data-based and, like, that kind of like tis a mask type of energy, I think you're not, you know, you're not thinking about some of the, uh, like how it affects you as much, or maybe just you're able to, like, r- roll into that nest of, like, this is this new dig- digital landscape, and those people fit well in it. Does that make any sense?

Joe Rogan 7:23 It does. It does make, fit well, and they do fit well in it. I know a lot of people that are, um, spectrumy that are very happy just being online all the time.

Theo Von 7:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:32 That's what they do.

Theo Von 7:33 And dude, maybe that's what's supposed... Yeah, that's the scary part is, like, what if that's what's supposed to happen?

Joe Rogan 7:39 Right.

Theo Von 7:39 And the rest of us are just, like... 'Cause I'm like, I think, a romanticist, you know? I'm thinking like, oh yeah, a porch and a rocking chair, and then the, you know, the f- but, you know, o- other people are like, yeah, we're coming in robots and shit like that, and ordering bagels through our fucking brain cells and shit, you know? Like, it's just like, um-

Joe Rogan 7:55 We're thinking of autism as a flaw, but it might be a feature.

Theo Von 7:59 But is it what, is it... Okay, is it what nature wants, or is it something that we're creating that is heading us down a very dark path? I feel like it's, not, not autism, but all of it in conjunction is the second one.

Joe Rogan 8:12 It might be what the universe wants.

Theo Von 8:15 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 8:16 It might be how it goes. Like, there has to be some sort of a pathway from territorial primates to something new, right?

Theo Von 8:28 Does there?

Joe Rogan 8:29 I think so, yeah. Because otherwise we would still be single-celled organisms. Everything's moving in a general direction of m- more complexity.

Theo Von 8:36 Okay.

Joe Rogan 8:36 Right?

Theo Von 8:37 That's fair.

Joe Rogan 8:37 So if it's moving in a general direction of more complexity, w- we're... And with all the technology that we're making, like, we're moving into some fucking weird place, right? Wouldn't it be better if you just, like, easily accepted that? And what better way than if you're one of those dudes that's on the spectrum that loves to chill at home and play video games, just stare at a screen, doesn't really need a lot of human contact?

Theo Von 8:57 Yeah, one of those fucking data wiggers or whatever-

Joe Rogan 8:59 Yeah

Theo Von 8:59 ... they call them-

Joe Rogan 9:00 Yeah

Theo Von 9:00 ... or, you know, those fucking tech monkeys or whatever.

Joe Rogan 9:02 Yeah. Those guys are just all about it.

Theo Von 9:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:05 They're all about it. They're wearing Apple Watches, and their fucking everything is-

Theo Von 9:09 Apple Watch

Joe Rogan 9:09 ... digital.

Theo Von 9:09 Whoop neck brace.

Joe Rogan 9:10 Yep, yep, yep.

Theo Von 9:11 They had a dude with a fucking Whoop neck brace.

Joe Rogan 9:12 [laughs]

Theo Von 9:12 It was like it kept updating on his watch. It's like, your neck's still broken or whatever.

Joe Rogan 9:16 He's got a Whoop cock ring.

Theo Von 9:18 Yeah. [laughs] Bro, it's crazy as fuck.

Joe Rogan 9:19 So he can fuck his robot. [laughs]

Theo Von 9:20 Bro, you blink twice and you're fucking-

Joe Rogan 9:22 [laughs]

Theo Von 9:22 Yeah, it, like, it shoots GLP-1s into your nuts.

Joe Rogan 9:25 Oh.

Theo Von 9:25 It's just like, it's all too... But it's, it, it's happened too fast, bro, and it's too much, and it starts to be like, is it being controlled? Um, dude, here's something that I was-

Joe Rogan 9:37 It's being controlled by a small amount of people, which is always scary.

Theo Von 9:40 That's scary.

Joe Rogan 9:41 It's always scary when a, a small amount of individuals have insane amounts of power and wealth, and that's what's gonna happen with this AI thing, and that's what's, what happened with tech. Like, look what happened with tech. With tech, the vast majority of the people that are involved were all, like, heavily left wing, very progressive. Like, a kind of even far left in a way.

Theo Von 10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:03 And look, they pushed the entire country's narrative in that direction through censorship on social media, through banning any accounts that didn't con- c- you know, didn't kinda commit to the narrative.

Theo Von 10:15 RussiaGate.

Joe Rogan 10:16 Yeah, RussiaGate, anything about Hunter Biden's laptop, anything about vaccines being deadly or, you know, maybe it came from a lab. All that stuff would get you kicked off. So it was all moving in this one ideological direction. That's the, like, literally the conversation the entire country's having, and there's no other output. Before, you know, there was a few of them that came around, like Gab and some other ones, some social media sites that were, like, a, a response to that, but they never really took off, right? They-

Theo Von 10:46 Nothing took off yet.

Joe Rogan 10:47 Not, not really. You know, there's some people that are on Threads, and there's some people on Truth Social, but the reality is if you're not on Twitter, you're, you're not really gonna connect with most people. The, that's the giant majority of people having conversations, and it was all completely controlled by a small group of people with one ideology.

Theo Von 11:06 But then didn't all those ha- or half of those people move over to the other political party when, uh, Trump got elected? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Zuckerberg-

Joe Rogan 11:14 Some

Theo Von 11:14 ... was on the left side. Bezos seemed like a very left-leaning guy, and then they're all just... So that's what made me start to think, oh, none of these guys are really on a side. There's this other third side that a lot of us can't see that, uh, is just kind of commandeering or fabricating or, like, infiltrating both sides and-

Joe Rogan 11:35 If I could hum a song right now, I'd hum the Pink Floyd song Money.

Theo Von 11:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:39 You know what I'm saying?

Theo Von 11:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:41 'Cause that's what, they were protecting that cheddar.

Theo Von 11:43 That cash, baby.

Joe Rogan 11:44 Protecting that cash.

Theo Von 11:46 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 11:46 I mean, look how many people are fucking moving out of all these states that are trying to impose wealth taxes. They're trying to steal money from the people that are the most successful. I was reading something about Massachusetts and how much m- this lady was reporting about how much Massachusetts is, um, lost from that. Because people leave the state. Their businesses-

Theo Von 12:03 Yeah

Joe Rogan 12:03 ... leave the state. New York is having the p- same problem. Like Kathy Hochul lady, you know, now she's-

Theo Von 12:08 Hochul?

Joe Rogan 12:08 ... asking people... I don't know how to say her name. I don't care.

Theo Von 12:11 Yeah, get a better name

Joe Rogan 12:13 Who cares what her name is?

Theo Von 12:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:15 She's-

Theo Von 12:16 I don't

Joe Rogan 12:16 ... asking people to go to Palm Beach and tell people to come back to New York now 'cause we're, we're losing tax base. Like, come on. Of course you're losing tax base. You can't just arbitrarily decide that because someone makes more money, they deserve to give you more money, and then what have you done with the money you have?

Theo Von 12:34 That's the best part.

Joe Rogan 12:35 Oh, a shit ton of waste and fraud.

Theo Von 12:38 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 12:38 And have you corrected any of that?

Theo Von 12:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:39 No. So your solution is what? More money?

Theo Von 12:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:43 Okay, fuck all the way off. Of course these people are gonna leave. You're a bunch of incompetent stooges, and you're in charge of all the money in the state, and that's dumb.

Theo Von 12:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:54 And that's why Chevron moved out of California, and Tesla moved out of California, and In-N-Out Burger moved out of California.

Theo Von 13:01 We moved out.

Joe Rogan 13:02 We moved out of California.

Theo Von 13:03 We're not companies, but we're people.

Joe Rogan 13:04 We might as well be companies. We're small companies. But it's like, you can't just say, "We're gonna take more money, and that'll fix it."

Theo Von 13:13 But you don't think billionaire... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:15 [laughs]

Theo Von 13:16 Especially, dude, what has happened, like, with the follow-ups to the Somali fraud? Like, all of these fraud buildings where it's, like, blatant, there's no businesses. It's just a sign on the door, and like, the, it, it feels like there's no follow-up to it.

Joe Rogan 13:28 There's some. There's some. There's some people that are being prosecuted right now. There's a, a bunch of investigations, uh, regarding, um, Minnesota, regarding California. They're getting in there. They have to get in there now because it's been exposed nationally. But the real question is, how did it go on for so long? How did you allow-

Theo Von 13:46 Right

Joe Rogan 13:46 ... it to happen for so long?

Theo Von 13:47 They knew.

Joe Rogan 13:48 Bro, you wanna-

Theo Von 13:49 They've all known

Joe Rogan 13:49 ... you wanna know, like, what's real bad? What's real bad is, like, the amount of money that California has wasted if their solution is to try to tax people. Have you ever seen, like, what they did with the high-speed rail?

Theo Von 14:01 Yeah, nothing.

Joe Rogan 14:02 [laughs] They spent billions-

Theo Von 14:03 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 14:03 ... of dollars. There's some guy who broke down how much China, how much high-speed rail China did in the same time that it took California to do their high-speed rail.

Theo Von 14:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:15 It, it, it's actually funny. It's actually-

Theo Von 14:16 Oh, I've done some, I've done some rail out of China, I'll tell you that. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 14:19 Have you?

Theo Von 14:20 Fuck it.

Joe Rogan 14:20 Tell me.

Theo Von 14:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:20 I don't think it's the same stuff.

Theo Von 14:21 Yeah, it's different.

Joe Rogan 14:22 I think we're talking about different things.

Theo Von 14:23 But, uh, no, China, dude, they're doing... Dude, it's weird when you start thinking, "Hey, China looks like a good place to live," [laughs] you know? It's like-

Joe Rogan 14:29 They've got their shit together, I'll tell you that. A lot of these places with kings, they really know how to run things. They do a real solid job. [laughs]

Theo Von 14:37 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 14:37 They fucking do.

Theo Von 14:39 Poland's got their shit together, dude.

Joe Rogan 14:40 They do have their shit together, and they were communists not that long ago, you know? Poland-

Theo Von 14:44 Poland's got their shit... They don't let any of this flue- influence. Spain I feel like is taking their shit back.

Joe Rogan 14:50 True.

Theo Von 14:50 They're picking up their toys.

Joe Rogan 14:51 I gotta find this. Uh, here it is. This is, this is actually funny when you see, like, the comparison between, like, what China's done and what we've done in the same amount of time.

Theo Von 15:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:02 It's, it's actually kind of funny.

Theo Von 15:04 Oh, I wanna say thanks too to this lady, Sarah Wycheck. I just gave... She just came and helped me give blood a little while ago. And she was y- she's just a nur- a nurse practitioner, and you could tell she was just working hard.

Joe Rogan 15:14 She hooked you up?

Theo Von 15:15 Yeah. She was just like, you know, showed up, and just, like, just got it done for me. You could tell she just, like, is a hardworking lady. I admire hardworking women.

Joe Rogan 15:24 Oh, what about hardworking men? Do you like them? Yeah, that's it, Jamie.

Theo Von 15:26 Well, they should be.

Joe Rogan 15:27 So look at this. Things that happen faster than-

Theo Von 15:30 Who's this fucking goon or the... Who's that dude? Is that Nelk?

Joe Rogan 15:34 [laughs]

Theo Von 15:35 Fuck, he fell off.

Speaker 15:36 Things that happen faster than building the California high-speed rail: China's entire high-speed rail network of 30,000 miles.

Joe Rogan 15:44 [laughs]

Theo Von 15:44 In 15 years.

Speaker 15:45 Our LA to SF segment would have taken them two months.

Joe Rogan 15:47 [laughs]

Speaker 15:47 Dubai going from barren desert wasteland to barren culture wasteland. Timothée Chalamet's entire existence.

Theo Von 15:55 [laughs]

Speaker 15:55 iPhone 1 through 17 and the internet. Follow for more bullshit.

Theo Von 16:01 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 16:01 [laughs]

Theo Von 16:02 I love that guy. That's Harrison Baum.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Good for him.

Theo Von 16:06 That's crazy, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 16:07 It's crazy.

Theo Von 16:07 It-

Joe Rogan 16:08 And they just took billions of dollars in taxes, and they go, "Oh, we're working on it."

Theo Von 16:13 Yeah. But where... Here's, everything is fra- you're starting to realize-

Joe Rogan 16:17 It's all fraud

Theo Von 16:18 ... it's all fraud.

Joe Rogan 16:18 Well, if it's not fraud, it's waste, and it's bureaucracy. So they keep the money coming in, so they keep people working, but the people don't do anything.

Theo Von 16:26 And the t- dude, and we can't even fucking keep the TSA workers. Dude, I fucking snuck a half handful of goldfish to a fucking TSA worker the other day, the edible ones, just to fucking keep them going, [laughs] dude, out there. They're not-

Joe Rogan 16:36 You gave him some goldfish?

Theo Von 16:37 Yeah. They're not even-

Joe Rogan 16:38 What a good guy

Theo Von 16:38 ... getting paid.

Joe Rogan 16:38 I know. They, they just started getting back pay just recently.

Theo Von 16:41 But still, it's just cr- but the fact-

Joe Rogan 16:42 It's crazy

Theo Von 16:42 ... that that's like a-

Joe Rogan 16:43 Crazy. Like, that they're the l- least priority. Like, bro, flying is fucking super important, you dummies.

Theo Von 16:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:51 You wanna keep the economy going? You gotta let people fly around.

Theo Von 16:54 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 16:54 They got shit to do, [laughs] man. You can't just fucking not pay the TSA people, you fucking idiots. How come you get paid?

Theo Von 17:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:02 How come you get paid?

Theo Von 17:05 I'm just sick-

Joe Rogan 17:05 How, how-

Theo Von 17:05 ... of this shit, and I'm sick of rich people not putting their fucking kids over in these wars and shit like that. Put your fucking honky ass kids up there. Let them go s- shed some fucking blood.

Joe Rogan 17:15 Especially if you're asking for it.

Theo Von 17:16 Especially if you're out there fucking bullshitting, dude. Put your fucking honky little fancy ass fucking kid up there, man. That shit makes me mad, bro.

Joe Rogan 17:24 Well, I think there's also a problem. The people that I've talked to that have served overseas and have been involved and deployed in military operations and seen a lot of shit, they're, a lot of them are of the opinion that you shouldn't be able to make those decisions if you've never been to war. If you don't know what it is, you don't know what you're sending people to do. It doesn't mean you're not still gonna be a tyrant, 'cause there are some people, like clearly Netanyahu's been to war, you know? He's been, he was in the military. He's, was involved in some shit.

Theo Von 17:54 Was he?

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Joe Rogan 19:16 I think most good people-

Speaker 19:16 War is a unique term.

Joe Rogan 19:18 War's a fucking terrifying thing.

Speaker 19:19 But I mean, it, uh, he-- I don't think, I wouldn't call what he does war, but I, I mean-

Joe Rogan 19:23 You mean what they're doing right now-

Speaker 19:24 Yeah

Joe Rogan 19:24 ...with Gaza.

Speaker 19:25 Yeah. And I, I'm j- I'm not jumping on you.

Joe Rogan 19:27 Well, what they're doing in Iran is war. That's war. Iran's a real enemy. You know, it's a different-

Speaker 19:33 Are they a enemy to America?

Joe Rogan 19:35 Well, what they are is the largest country in, in terms of, like, state-sponsored terrorism. They're the largest sponsor of terrorism. But, but also you gotta think why, you know? And this is not excusing anybody for Isl- Islamist, uh, ideology, 'cause it's scary, 'cause they want a, a global caliphate, right? They're radicals. But you gotta go back to what happened in that country. And if you go back to what happened in that country, they tried to nationalize oil. Iran was like a Westernized country. Girls were wearing miniskirts.

Speaker 20:08 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:09 Everybody's hot.

Speaker 20:09 You seen that video from the '70s of Iran?

Joe Rogan 20:11 Oh, yeah, bro. Everybody went ape.

Speaker 20:12 Tits were poppin'.

Joe Rogan 20:13 So-

Speaker 20:13 Just poppin'

Joe Rogan 20:14 ... what happened is slowly but surely, um, and quickly at first, because when they tried to nationalize oil-

Speaker 20:20 Yeah

Joe Rogan 20:21 ... um, the CIA s- swooped in, and they fucking got that guy out of office, and they allowed these Islamic, you know, radicalists to start running the country.

Speaker 20:32 Well, that's when Hezbollah started, right?

Joe Rogan 20:34 They, they kind of placed a... I don't know exactly when-

Speaker 20:35 Yeah

Joe Rogan 20:35 ... Hezbollah started, but the point is the country was doing fine before we monkeyed with it.

Speaker 20:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:41 And we monkeyed with it because they were not getting enough of the money from the oil. So it was the British Petroleum Company, I think. Put it into Perplexity the story of Iran, uh, b- their government being overthrown. I think it was in the 1950s. So when you, we see, like, how it all played out and why it is what it is today, Jesus Christ, you'd be mad too.

Speaker 21:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:06 And when you're mad and you're surrounded by bigger enemies that all have nuclear weapons, you don't even have nuclear weapons, wouldn't you be trying to make them? You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not saying Iran should have nuclear weapons. I don't think anybody should have nuclear weapons. They definitely shouldn't.

Speaker 21:18 But Israel gets to have them.

Joe Rogan 21:20 Allegedly. This is the problem. Allegedly they have them.

Speaker 21:22 Everything's allegedly with them.

Joe Rogan 21:23 But allegedly they have them.

Speaker 21:24 Except for the genocide.

Joe Rogan 21:25 You know, they're not, they don't officially have them.

Speaker 21:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:30 I don't think they admit they officially have them. And you know who was a big opponent of Israel getting nuclear weapons?

Speaker 21:35 JFK.

Joe Rogan 21:35 JFK.

Speaker 21:37 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:37 Yeah. That's what a lot of people think led to back into the left.

Speaker 21:42 Oh, yeah. Before they killed him. Who? I don't know. What'd you say?

Joe Rogan 21:44 So the Iranian Revolution, also called the Islamic Revolution, was a mass uprising in Iran, overthrew the Shah's monarchy in 1979, replaced it with an Islamic republic led by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Um-

Speaker 21:59 Shahdaruko, they called him, nickname

Joe Rogan 22:00 ... n- I want you to go back to the national-- Ask it a question of what was the events that led to, um, them trying to nationalize their oil. Here it is. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. No, that's not it. The, so the, the, what, what was, uh... Banned real opposition, used secret police to surreal jail. Uh, just put into ask another question. What were the events that took place after Iran tried to nationalize oil? Just ask that question. What are the events that took place when Iran tried to nationalize oil?

Speaker 22:42 Bro, fuck oil. I'd rather walk if this is the shit that's gonna come out of all of it. You feel me, bro?

Joe Rogan 22:46 The problem is it's not just oil for your car. It's everything you use. Plastic is m- they use p- petroleum-based chemicals are responsible for medicine.

Speaker 22:56 But it's also getting in our nuts now, and people can't even fucking read anymore because of it, so it's like, what is all that stuff helping us anymore?

Joe Rogan 23:03 Yeah, here it is. So Iran's attempt to nationalize its oil in the 1950s unfolded as a chain of political, economic, and international confrontations centered on Prime Minister Mohammad Mo- Mossa- how do you say his name? Mogadde? Mossa- Mossadegh?

Speaker 23:17 Let me see. Mossadegh.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Mossadegh. Uh, and British-controlled Angro, uh, Anglo Iranian Oil Company. I'll walk you through the key events. But it had to do with who was in control of the oil before that, like who was making the money before that.

Speaker 23:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:34 I know Perplexity's gonna give us the fucking tinfoil hat story of how it went down. But the bottom line is people are making a lot of money over there in oil, and they wanted most of the money, and they got boxed out, and then they wound up with a fucking psychotic dictator.

Speaker 23:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:52 And a lot of the... I mean, if you look back on what Iran looked like when it was a Westernized country, like damn, we should have fucking supported whatever the fuck was going on back then.

Speaker 24:03 I know. I think what... Do you feel like we used to do things that were better, and then we got, uh, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Here's the tinfoil hat version. I love how Perplexity gives you a tinfoil hat version.Nice. Uh, the story's basically Iran tried to take back its oil. The British and Americans teamed up in secret to crush that idea and send a warning to the rest of the world. Britain had built its empire and navy on cheap Iranian oil via the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, later British Petroleum Company. So when Mogad- Mossadegh-

Theo Von 24:35 Mossadegh

Joe Rogan 24:35 ... I don't wanna say his name. I keep fucking it up. Uh, London saw it as a direct threat to its global power and profits. Elites feared that if Iran got away with nationalizing its oil, other countries in the Middle East would, uh, beyond, and wa- and beyond, would copy, destroying Western oil monopolies-

Theo Von 24:51 That's sad

Joe Rogan 24:51 ... so they were determined to make Iran an example. Look, bro, we've been monkeying around with other countries forever. This thing in Venezuela, this real quick thing that happened real quick went in there and kidnap a dude in Venezuela, like-

Theo Von 25:04 Well, a lot of it say it's because the, the, these are the countries that are still outside of the, um, Rothschild's banking system or whatever. Have you seen that thing?

Joe Rogan 25:11 I have not.

Theo Von 25:12 Where it's like there's a, there's the countries that are still not on that list or something. This is tinfoil stuff, I think.

Joe Rogan 25:19 Well-

Theo Von 25:19 Or it's absolutely true. I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 25:21 There's a lot going on right now, right? Like-

Theo Von 25:22 I'm feared, dude

Joe Rogan 25:23 ... Cuba, Cuba's not getting in on it

Theo Von 25:24 ... I'm in, I'm scared. I'll be honest with you.

Joe Rogan 25:25 Yeah. You should be.

Theo Von 25:26 I'm scared.

Joe Rogan 25:27 Well, it's, it's a scary time because this is a real hot war.

Theo Von 25:30 And people are scared.

Joe Rogan 25:31 Yeah.

Theo Von 25:31 People come up and people, uh, at, tell me about it. I was in a Uber yesterday, and there's a man in there. He was driving, and, um, he's like, "We need a revolution, you know?"

Joe Rogan 25:42 Oh, boy.

Theo Von 25:43 He's like, "You have a voice." He's telling me stuff like that, and I was like, "Dude, I-"

Joe Rogan 25:46 Oh no, don't take Ubers anymore. Stop taking Ubers. Rent a car, motherfucker.

Theo Von 25:49 I'm not r- [laughs] renting a car.

Joe Rogan 25:52 Why wouldn't you rent a car? You don't rent cars?

Theo Von 25:53 Bro, you think I'm gonna go, be at the s- renting a car is insane. You have to check under, see if there's any dents in it, or if there's any, like... And then, um-

Joe Rogan 26:02 God

Theo Von 26:02 ... you have to do all this stuff. Renting a car is a nightmare. Dude, I will tell you this story, though. One time we rented-

Joe Rogan 26:08 Yes

Theo Von 26:08 ... we did rent a car, and we got a dent on it, like a pretty good ding, and we fucking, we had a, we caught a pigeon and had it shit over the dent to fill it in whenever we turned it in.

Joe Rogan 26:18 No you didn't. This is not a true story.

Theo Von 26:20 Yeah, we did.

Joe Rogan 26:20 You caught a pigeon?

Theo Von 26:22 Yeah, you think it's hard to catch a pigeon?

Joe Rogan 26:23 I do.

Theo Von 26:25 Bro, bring up a pigeon, gettin' caught.

Joe Rogan 26:26 [laughs]

Theo Von 26:27 Mike Tyson had a lot of them. Bro, yeah, but he raised them.

Joe Rogan 26:30 Well, you had to get them.

Theo Von 26:30 Yeah, but dude-

Joe Rogan 26:31 Yeah, but

Theo Von 26:31 ... he had fucking autism in his hands after-

Joe Rogan 26:33 [laughs]

Theo Von 26:33 ... a couple years. You don't think, you, you think it's hard to catch a pigeon, the dumbest bird ever, dude?

Joe Rogan 26:39 And you just put the shit over the dent?

Theo Von 26:40 Yeah, you hang it over your-

Joe Rogan 26:41 The hell of a shit. How big was this dent we're talking about?

Theo Von 26:44 Dude, these fucking pigeons shit all day, Joe.

Joe Rogan 26:46 So you just hold them there until they're done?

Theo Von 26:47 Yeah, what are you some kind of shit cop or whatever?

Joe Rogan 26:49 [laughs]

Theo Von 26:50 Yeah, we fucking put him over the dent, bro.

Joe Rogan 26:53 [laughs]

Theo Von 26:53 That's why God wants you to help.

Joe Rogan 26:55 Oh.

Theo Von 26:55 That's why insurance-

Joe Rogan 26:56 Oh, okay. This one's all fucked up, though.

Theo Von 26:57 Yeah, bro. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 26:57 That's not fair.

Theo Von 26:58 That's 'cause he has American healthcare.

Joe Rogan 27:00 [laughs]

Theo Von 27:00 It's UnitedHealthcare. Dude, well, here's what I wanna know. Like, I'm th- I guess, yeah, like, yeah, I don't know, man. Everybody just feels scared and it makes them scary.

Joe Rogan 27:08 Well, they should, because a lot of things are getting exposed right now. You know, there's a lot of fraud, and you're seeing it at the highest levels of government.

Theo Von 27:17 Pfft.

Joe Rogan 27:17 And people are also scared because no one's getting in trouble for things. Like, no one's getting in trouble for the Epstein files. No one's getting in trouble for-

Theo Von 27:24 Yeah, that's almost disappeared, kind of.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Well, it's part of what happens when there's some sort of a big social thing. One thing that's in the past that leaders have used to cover up problems at home is a fucking war. I'm not saying that that's why they bombed Iran, but that would be a way to do it if you're that psychotic, you know? And if you were thinking about doing it anyway. You might be able to justify it. People have always done that also to stay in power.

Theo Von 27:52 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:54 Even Bill Clinton said that about Netanyahu. Bill Clinton said Netanyahu wants war so he could stay in power.

Theo Von 28:00 For sure, dude. People call him the Yamaka Hitler. That's what they call him.

Joe Rogan 28:03 Who's, who are these people?

Theo Von 28:04 Everybody does.

Joe Rogan 28:04 Which people?

Theo Von 28:05 Countless.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Normal people?

Theo Von 28:06 Huh?

Joe Rogan 28:06 What are you saying?

Theo Von 28:07 What do you mean people? What are you talking about?

Joe Rogan 28:08 Yeah. What are you talking about, dog?

Theo Von 28:09 Black folks. Who, what are you saying?

Joe Rogan 28:11 No. I don't know what you're saying.

Theo Von 28:12 I don't know what you're saying.

Joe Rogan 28:13 I don't know what you're saying.

Theo Von 28:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 28:14 Let's not, not draw conclusions.

Theo Von 28:16 Okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Okay.

Theo Von 28:17 He seems like a great guy.

Joe Rogan 28:19 Not really.

Theo Von 28:21 Um, uh, well, it's just a scary time.

Joe Rogan 28:22 It's a scary time because people are willing to blow people up with fucking drones and missiles, and they're shooting into apartment buildings and blowing up schools, and it's like, fuck, man.

Theo Von 28:33 And we didn't, how do- I think that we've been poisoned. I do think that we've been poisoned.

Joe Rogan 28:38 How so?

Theo Von 28:38 Um, because I think that, like, we find out that our food is, a lot of our food is poisonous, right? Or-

Joe Rogan 28:43 A lot of our food is not good for us.

Theo Von 28:45 It's, yeah, sorry.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yeah.

Theo Von 28:45 Not good for us.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Yeah.

Theo Von 28:47 So we have a healthcare, we have food that is made to be not good for us.

Joe Rogan 28:50 Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 28:51 And then we have a healthcare system that'll just kind of take care of you, right?

Joe Rogan 28:55 Barely.

Theo Von 28:56 Barely. So then you start to create this other, like you're gonna need the, your autism gang that are up there running shit, but then you're gonna need this sort of like molluscky sort of like, the worker bees. And that's what the rest of us start to become is worker bees because, you know, your on- antidepressants killed like the, the vibe and the energy of so many people, right? Like the opioid epidemic, like you, you broke apart so many families and ruined hope in so many like kids and parents and homes and like, um, the, the, the, uh, the COVID where you shut down recovery rooms and places where people were meeting and so they were so disconnected. And then it's like you just, you start to wonder why there's no uprisings because there's no, there's nothing rising up inside of you anymore because a lot of your, your vitral has been killed. People are jerking off into fucking robots, and even just on car batteries and shit in some of those videos online. But-

Joe Rogan 29:46 Car batteries?

Theo Von 29:47 People will come on everything.

Joe Rogan 29:48 What happens when you hit the, the two posts?

Theo Von 29:50 [laughs] I don't know, dude.

Joe Rogan 29:51 Does your, does your jizz explode?

Theo Von 29:55 Oh, I doubt-

Speaker 29:55 Probably gotta be grounded, I would have to guess.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Yeah.

Theo Von 29:57 Right. That's a real fucking weird-

Joe Rogan 29:59 You don't want that jolt coming back to the tip.

Theo Von 30:01 Yeah, bro. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 30:01 You imagine if it was like one solid stream and the electricity jumped-

Theo Von 30:06 Yeah

Joe Rogan 30:07 ... made it back to the tip?

Theo Von 30:08 But dude, that could happen too with that robot if you're trying to hump that roby.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Right.

Theo Von 30:11 And that thing shorts out.

Joe Rogan 30:13 Well, hey, phones, phones short out. You remember those, uh, those old phones that would blow up in people's cars? Like the Note, it was one of the Note seriesLike people's cars would catch on fire if you left it plugged in?

Theo Von 30:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:24 Yeah, what if that happens to your dick?

Theo Von 30:26 And people would always- [laughs]

Joe Rogan 30:27 You know what I'm saying?

Theo Von 30:29 And people would just always leave it plugged in next to their wife at night for fucking no reason. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 30:33 Right. On top of your wife.

Theo Von 30:34 Yeah, just balance it on her.

Joe Rogan 30:35 It fucking bursts in flames and the lights are on fire.

Theo Von 30:38 But dude, though, like-

Joe Rogan 30:39 Her su- successor

Theo Von 30:40 ... I, I think we've been poisoned just enough to like, it feels like just to hurt, but not... Like, we just have to start w- I think it's a time where, like, we have to try and work on our, and, like, look inside of ourselves and, I don't know. Do I sound fucking preachy?

Joe Rogan 30:55 No.

Theo Von 30:55 I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 30:55 No, you don't sound preachy, but you are-

Theo Von 30:57 I'm just trying to find, like, hope

Joe Rogan 30:57 ... you, I think you're onto something. There was some file, I didn't read it, but a bunch of people sent it to me. I just went, "Oh, Jesus." It was from the, some freedom of information act or some leak from the 1950s-

Theo Von 31:11 '50s and '60s. I saw this

Joe Rogan 31:12 ... with the CIA, and they were trying to think of different ways to make people docile and stupid and unmotivated.

Theo Von 31:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:21 And they were talking about different medications, putting stuff in food, all these different strategies to keep people stupid.

Theo Von 31:29 Yeah, and they did it.

Joe Rogan 31:30 Like, this is our own government.

Theo Von 31:33 Government.

Joe Rogan 31:33 Us. United States of America.

Theo Von 31:35 Well, that's another thing.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Is that not treasonous?

Theo Von 31:38 I agree. So why... And, yeah, it just feels like there's no recourse. And I know, like, you start to think, "Well, this is how s- a lot of people have lived their entire d- centuries in different countries and stuff like that," like they live under this type of oppression and, like, fear all the time.

Joe Rogan 31:52 Could, could-

Theo Von 31:52 But I sh- it, it feels new here.

Joe Rogan 31:54 I wanna know what exact... Could you put that into our lovely sponsor, Perplexity, and find out what the fuck was said in that CIA document? What, what were they actually planning? 'Cause it's, the, the idea that there's people in government that would just say, "Fuck millions of people and their potential in life-"

Theo Von 32:13 Yes

Joe Rogan 32:13 ..."Let's tank their potential so that we can get our agenda through easier without them being upset. Let's ruin millions of people's lives, or at least dampen their dreams-"

Theo Von 32:26 I don't-

Joe Rogan 32:26 "... squash their hopes-"

Theo Von 32:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:27 "... make them stupid and lazy."

Theo Von 32:29 Make their kids sick. Make their-

Joe Rogan 32:31 Yeah

Theo Von 32:31 ... ma- yeah. Make it, put pornography in, and, and let it be into the home so that, um, it's accessible everywhere, so marriages get ruined, and relationships get ruined, and guys are just spunking out on, on wherever. And so they don't, so there's no energy, there's no, like-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Right

Theo Von 32:44 ... there's no fucking desire inside of people to overcome, and it's like, yeah, we have to just try and do better one day at a time.

Joe Rogan 32:50 For men, like, their ambition in life is often connected to wanting girls to like them.

Theo Von 32:57 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 32:57 Or guys to like them, whatever it is.

Theo Von 32:58 And purpose, creating.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Yeah. But that's the other part. Purpose and creating is, like, the ultimate. That's like the, the ultimate is it's almost like you're doing a service. Like, whatever you're doing, if you're doing it your best, your real reward is that people enjoy it.

Theo Von 33:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:15 Whatever it is. Whether you're a carpenter, or a musician, or whatever it is. If you're doing something at your best-

Theo Von 33:22 Yeah

Joe Rogan 33:22 ... the ultimate reward is people enjoying it.

Theo Von 33:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:25 That's the ultimate enjoy- But you, you have to figure that out in life. You're probably thinking of declassified CIA mind control and behavior modification experiments like Bluebird, Artichoke. Artichoke is it. That's it. Especially MKUltra, which did run in the 1950s and '60s. Okay, Bluebird, MKUltra. What is, make people stupid in cognition? Uh, CIA, uh, efforts to use drugs, hypnosis, and other techniques. No, that's interrogation. That's different. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.

Speaker 33:56 This thing is interesting. I'm gonna look up that.

Joe Rogan 33:57 Perfect concussion effort, often referenced alongside MKUltra, explicitly explored using subaural blasts to erase memory. Whoa. Erasing or degrading memory is practically a way of disabling a person cognitively-

Theo Von 34:12 What-

Joe Rogan 34:12 ... even if that is not described as making them stupid in official language.

Theo Von 34:16 Well, yeah. We're just ex- It feels like we're just stuck in an experiment.

Joe Rogan 34:19 I feel like this is not it.

Theo Von 34:21 This isn't it.

Joe Rogan 34:22 No.

Theo Von 34:22 Okay.

Joe Rogan 34:23 Um, this was...

Theo Von 34:23 Do you-

Joe Rogan 34:23 So why don't you run a search for recently disclosed CIA files to make people... I mean-

Speaker 34:34 I had docile in first, and it didn't give me anything better.

Joe Rogan 34:37 Um-

Speaker 34:38 That's why I tried looking on Twitter to see if people were talking about it

Joe Rogan 34:39 ... Well, okay, using v- pu- put in using vaccines to make people stupid.

Speaker 34:44 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:46 Or suggesting vaccines make people stupid.

Speaker 34:50 Uh, I hesitate now.

Joe Rogan 34:53 Why?

Speaker 34:53 'Cause it's taking me to somewhere talking about this on Facebook.

Joe Rogan 34:55 Perfect. I love Facebook. [laughs]

Theo Von 35:00 But the-

Joe Rogan 35:00 The conspiracy theorists are looking pretty sane right now. Okay, this is EV Magazine.

Speaker 35:06 Get that.

Joe Rogan 35:07 That one. Okay.

Theo Von 35:08 Well-

Joe Rogan 35:08 What's going on here? You have to type in your email, or they won't let you watch it.

Theo Von 35:12 But Joe, I don't think what you're saying, the things you're saying, I don't think that, uh... That doesn't seem like an American idea to me.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Well, it's not... It's okay, Jamie.

Speaker 35:20 Okay.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Forget it.

Theo Von 35:20 But it's-

Joe Rogan 35:21 No, it's, uh, it's not an American idea

Theo Von 35:22 ... if you can find... Is it okay-

Joe Rogan 35:23 If you can find it, please do.

Theo Von 35:25 Can you do Google too, or you can't do it?

Joe Rogan 35:26 Yeah. Goob- just look everywhere.

Theo Von 35:29 Dude, have you noticed some things are harder to find?

Joe Rogan 35:32 Yeah. Well, this is probably gonna be hard to find, because I think this is one of those ones that is, like, it's on X.

Theo Von 35:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:38 And I know, like, people are going over it, but I don't know if it's even been verified. This is one of the reasons why I wanted to put it through Perplexity. Find out... 'Cause there's a lot of stuff you read that's just complete hor- especially today. April Fools', motherfucker.

Theo Von 35:50 Is it?

Joe Rogan 35:51 Today's April Fools'. Yeah. Don't get tricked.

Theo Von 35:53 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 35:53 Stay off the news.

Theo Von 35:54 I just gave some random lady my blood in the parking lot. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:56 Oh, no. She's gonna use that for a ritual.

Theo Von 35:59 [laughs] Good.

Joe Rogan 35:59 Clone you, son.

Theo Von 36:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 36:00 You're gonna have little baby Theos like those little videos that pop up of us. [laughs]

Theo Von 36:04 Yeah. Dude, my favorite part of the video is at the end-

Joe Rogan 36:07 Oh, oh, oh

Theo Von 36:07 ... when you just kind of bounce out of your chair.

Joe Rogan 36:08 We're laughing so hard. Is this it?

Theo Von 36:11 This is it. Hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:13 Okay, what does it say?

Speaker 36:14 I got a video of someone talking about Project Artichoke.

Joe Rogan 36:16 Hmm. What is product, project, what does it say, essentially?

Speaker 36:21 Uh, it says it's in the video

Joe Rogan 36:22 That's Kim Iversen. She's pretty good

Theo Von 36:25 White Iversen

Host 36:26 Artichoke. So this says, "Look, we've got this grand idea of how we're basically gonna drug people and do all kinds of weird experiments on them to see if we could control their minds." These documents don't show that anything was actually done. It just shows that we've got these really crazy ideas, and they're extremely unethical, inhumane, terrible, terrible ideas. The 1977 leak of documents say, "Oh yeah, well actually the government did it. They did all of those terrible things they said they were doing in that previous memo. They did it, and now here are some of the archives that we have from when they did all of those terrible things." So okay, these documents, Special Research for Artichoke, dated April 21st of 1952. The memo proposes developing longterm covert drugs that could be slipped into daily life. Drugs that were, quote, administered over considerable period of time, possibly being placed in food or water that caused either agitation or depression.

Theo Von 37:16 Mm, fluoride

Host 37:16 These, quote, should include chemicals or drugs that could be effectively concealed in common items such as food, water, Coca-Cola, beer, liquor, cigarettes, et cetera-

Theo Von 37:25 Beer

Host 37:25 ... and should also be capable of use in standard medical treatments such as vaccinations and shots. We can do all this other experimentation which nobody will know about. It's sneaky. Sneak it into their Coca-Cola, sneak it into their beer, their cigarettes, their vaccines, their medications. Let's sneak it all in.

Theo Von 37:40 Yeah.

Host 37:42 [laughs] Oh, those wild conspiracy theorists, they strike again. They have no morals. They have no ethics. They have no humanity. These documents, I mean, these people are inhumane. They're sick. They're twisted. This is terrible.

Theo Von 37:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:55 Way to go, Kim Iversen.

Theo Von 37:57 She-

Joe Rogan 37:57 She killed it.

Theo Von 37:58 We-

Joe Rogan 37:58 She, she used to be on... Which show was she on? Not Breaking Points. What was the show that they did before Breaking Points?

Theo Von 38:06 Kim Iversen? It wasn't 227, was it? Was it Sitcom?

Joe Rogan 38:08 She got booted off because Fauci was coming on, and she wanted to question Fauci about the-

Theo Von 38:13 Wow

Joe Rogan 38:13 ... COVID vaccines, and they kicked her off the show and she went independent.

Theo Von 38:18 Good for her.

Joe Rogan 38:18 Which is how it always goes.

Theo Von 38:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 38:19 Yeah, you can't, you can't talk too much shit even though it's pretty obvious that guy's a criminal.

Theo Von 38:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:26 Pretty fucking obvious that guy's a liar, lied in front of Congress, was responsible for gain of function research that led to who knows how many fucking people dying of a manmade disease. Whatever, whatever. Just don't question. C- c- You can't work here anymore. You're not playing ball.

Theo Von 38:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:41 You're not playing along. Like look, but now she can do stuff like this.

Theo Von 38:43 Good for her.

Joe Rogan 38:44 That's nuts that your tax dollars pay for that, them figuring out how to make people stupid. How do I make Theo stupid? Let me slip something into his Coca-Cola. Let's figure out if it works. Let's experiment on random people and see what kind of results we get.

Theo Von 38:58 Then here's my question, then. H- well, did you know whenever they, uh, whenever they introduced antidepressants, that changed, like, the cognitive, um, therapy side of things, like, in therapist offices. It ch- it totally revolutionized, like, industrialized, uh, therapy and it ruined, it, it ruined a lot of people, I think. Like, um, uh, one of my goals is to get off of antidepressants completely, man. I wanna feel how I'm supposed to feel so I can have thoughts and actions that, uh, that, like, make me feel connected to the world. That shit makes you feel dead, man.

Joe Rogan 39:31 So why did you take them in the first place?

Theo Von 39:33 'Cause I was in a bad relationship [laughs] 20 years ago and I was having a tough day at s- at school, and they fucking put f- they gave them to me and then I never got off.

Joe Rogan 39:43 Really?

Theo Von 39:43 Because when you get off, it's a d- I think we talked about this once. It's hard.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Yeah. It makes you more depressed and more fucked up, and you're all imbalanced and you're, you, you know, probably you're addicted to them.

Theo Von 39:53 Yeah. And so I, that's one of my goals is... And I notice, like, um, for me, I've been taking, like, Methyl Blue. I've been doing some things, like, and I'm working with a doctor to help me, but I, I wanna, I, I'm gonna get there, and I'm just gonna start to take the power back of myself more. I just-

Joe Rogan 40:06 Well, they say that exercise is, like, many times-

Theo Von 40:10 Oh, yeah

Joe Rogan 40:10 ... greater in its effect at, at alleviating depression.

Theo Von 40:15 Dude, I wake up and I do my yoga, and I do, like, a 35-minute workout. I'll do, like, six exercises, five runs of it in a row. That's 30 exercise. Burn through them bitches, and I'm a, and I'm... If I do that when I get up in the morning, bro, I am good.

Joe Rogan 40:31 Yeah.

Theo Von 40:31 I'm fine all day, and I'm also po- I'm more positive 'cause I've already taken care of myself in a way that I feel is sufficient enough for me to keep operating and moving forward. But yeah, I wanna get away from the me- of, of the medicine

Joe Rogan 40:44 Well, that's the medicine, man, which is really crazy. That's the medicine. It's just hard for people to take because it requires effort, and it requires discipline. You have to do it when you don't wanna do it, and there's a lot of times when you're not gonna wanna do it, a lot of times when you're feeling kind of fucking tired.

Theo Von 40:59 When we have to... And I think that's what... Yeah, maybe we just ha- yeah, like, I just need to, I just need to keep going. This is the best I've been doing, I think, in some ways.

Joe Rogan 41:06 Why don't you hire a trainer? You got some cheddar.

Theo Von 41:09 I can't. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 41:10 You got some cash, son. You're making that paper. Why don't you hire a trainer?

Theo Von 41:16 I do, I, I use-

Joe Rogan 41:17 Hire a dude that's cool, that'll come over to your fucking house every day.

Theo Von 41:21 I don't want some dude touching my body a little bit.

Joe Rogan 41:22 He doesn't have to touch your body.

Theo Von 41:23 Joe, some of them do.

Joe Rogan 41:24 Well, you gotta get new ones. They're doing something wrong.

Theo Von 41:27 But some of them-

Joe Rogan 41:28 You gotta say no.

Theo Von 41:29 [laughs] I am saying no.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Repeat after me. No.

Theo Von 41:32 No.

Joe Rogan 41:33 Don't touch my butt when I'm in a deep squat. It doesn't help.

Theo Von 41:36 I don't like that tone.

Joe Rogan 41:38 I'm gonna, I'm gonna dig your asshole. It's gonna make you wanna explode to the top. Ready? Go. And he's knuckle deep in your bunghole-

Theo Von 41:44 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 41:44 ... trying to convince you that it's so you can get more reps. [laughs]

Theo Von 41:48 Yeah. [laughs] He's fucking... Ugh.

Joe Rogan 41:53 That's gotta happen. Like, some fucking big jack-

Theo Von 41:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 41:55 ... gay trainer, like, preys on guys that are-

Theo Von 41:58 Yeah

Joe Rogan 41:58 ... kinda weak with small hips.

Theo Von 42:00 He's like, "I bet you can't do this with your, with my cock in your butt."

Joe Rogan 42:03 Mm.

Theo Von 42:03 And you're like, "That's a crazy... Who cares?"

Joe Rogan 42:05 Why are you suggesting this?

Theo Von 42:07 [laughs] Yeah. But the crazy part is, dude, I've, I had a trainer one time, if you were doing, like, a dumbbell press-

Joe Rogan 42:12 Yeah

Theo Von 42:12 ... he would kinda squat you from the, he would he- he would help you from the elbows, kinda.

Joe Rogan 42:16 Okay. That's fine.

Theo Von 42:16 But when I noticed this one time, he would-

Joe Rogan 42:18 He rubbed his dick against your butt.

Theo Von 42:20 [laughs] No.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Did he? He was right behind you.

Theo Von 42:22 No, he didn't. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 42:24 Maybe he did. You're blocking it out. Maybe that's why you need therapy.

Theo Von 42:27 [laughs] I don't know, bro.

Joe Rogan 42:30 [laughs]

Theo Von 42:31 Dude, if some-- I, I know all the dicks I've ever seen in my life, dude.

Joe Rogan 42:34 All of them?

Theo Von 42:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:35 How many have you seen? Jesus Christ.

Theo Von 42:37 Honestly-

Speaker 42:38 It's not that many.

Joe Rogan 42:39 Yeah.

Theo Von 42:39 Alive and in person-

Joe Rogan 42:40 Jamie could count them on one hand

Speaker 42:42 That's crazy.

Theo Von 42:42 Papi.

Joe Rogan 42:42 Jamie's only seen a handful of dicks, and two of them are Ari's. [laughs]

Theo Von 42:47 [laughs]

Speaker 42:47 Definitely the most recent ones.

Joe Rogan 42:48 Ari's pissed in fucking kombucha bottles in this room so many times.

Theo Von 42:52 Oh.

Joe Rogan 42:53 He is such an animal.

Theo Von 42:54 He is kombucha. He has kombucha in him, I feel like, dude.

Joe Rogan 42:56 Yeah, it's all kombucha. He doesn't have piss anymore. It's fermented already.

Theo Von 42:58 No, but this guy would touch my elbow and he would kinda like mass- he would do a slight, like, massage on them, and that's when it kinda cooked me up.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Mm.

Theo Von 43:05 You got a vape in here by chance, Joe, or no?

Joe Rogan 43:08 No.

Speaker 43:08 We got this.

Joe Rogan 43:09 You want a cigar? We got smelling salts. You want a cigar?

Theo Von 43:12 No, they make me sick.

Joe Rogan 43:14 They do?

Theo Von 43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 How so?

Theo Von 43:14 It makes me feel sad.

Speaker 43:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Sad?

Theo Von 43:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:17 No, I gave up on those. Nicotine vapes are very addictive.

Theo Von 43:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:21 Boy.

Theo Von 43:22 I know. I give it-

Joe Rogan 43:23 They make you gra- they grab-- you grab for them. You wanna take a hit off of them.

Theo Von 43:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:27 You know, even if you... I d- I d- and I decided at one point in time, "I'm not taking these anymore. I'm stopping with these things."

Theo Von 43:31 Oh, I remember, dude. Remember you and I were using one time.

Joe Rogan 43:34 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 43:34 And we kept using that thing, and yeah. Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 43:37 There's something in them. It's not just the nicotine.

Theo Von 43:39 [laughs] I'll tell you a story.

Joe Rogan 43:40 Because, like, these things, like ALPS, I have no problem not taking these. I t- I went on a trip-

Theo Von 43:46 Yeah

Joe Rogan 43:46 ... like a 10-day trip. I didn't bring any nicotine pouches.

Theo Von 43:48 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:48 I didn't miss it at all. I was fine.

Theo Von 43:51 Well, I'll say this-

Joe Rogan 43:52 But not those vapes, dude. Those vapes call you.

Theo Von 43:54 Yeah, some of that shit's a lot, bro.

Joe Rogan 43:56 They call you.

Theo Von 43:57 But, yeah, you gotta kinda manage it or whatever, but-

Joe Rogan 44:00 Yeah, you ain't managing shit, son.

Theo Von 44:03 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 44:05 [laughs]

Theo Von 44:05 You right. [laughs] You right about that.

Joe Rogan 44:08 [laughs]

Theo Von 44:09 Okay, girl. Okay.

Joe Rogan 44:11 No, I think out of all the things that are, you know, not a drug drug, but ni- you know, nicotine's kind of a drug, but, you know, obviously you could be totally functional on it. That's the one in the vapes that's the most addictive.

Theo Von 44:23 An- and it, but yeah, you're talking about, like, p- recreational type, not like antidepressants, things like that-

Joe Rogan 44:28 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah

Theo Von 44:28 ... obviously.

Joe Rogan 44:29 Of course, of course.

Theo Von 44:30 Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:30 Not like cocaine or, you know.

Theo Von 44:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:32 But, but here's the thing about them, man. They're only good for one hit.

Theo Von 44:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:35 It's the first hit of the day.

Theo Von 44:37 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:37 The first hit off a vape is [inhales] fucking wonderful.

Theo Von 44:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:40 You're like, "Ah."

Theo Von 44:42 Oh, yeah. I'll blow that smoke on your mother, son.

Joe Rogan 44:44 Like nature just shines down upon you.

Theo Von 44:47 [whistles]

Joe Rogan 44:47 Just feel relaxed. But it's only one. After that, you're just chasing that dragon, and you, [inhales] you keep... You're not getting anything out of it.

Theo Von 44:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:55 Every time-- You're just getting, like, nervous, like, "Ah." And you're, like, hitting it again. You're, "Ah." Your fucking hands are shaking.

Theo Von 45:00 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 45:01 You go too far, but you don't get that one feeling. It's the same thing with a cigarette.

Theo Von 45:06 Ah.

Joe Rogan 45:06 With a cigarette, really what you want is the first couple of hits.

Theo Von 45:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:10 And you get that lightness of head, like, "Ah," and then put them down.

Theo Von 45:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:15 The problem is you're always chasing that dragon, and you never get it. That's why everybody loves the first cigarette of the day. They sit there with that first cigarette of the day and a cup of coffee, and you're like, "I got ideas."

Theo Von 45:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:26 Like, "I got fucking ideas."

Theo Von 45:27 Write this down. Write this down.

Joe Rogan 45:29 You know, a lot of bands wrote most of their music on cigarettes. Like T-Tony was talking about Pink Floyd.

Theo Von 45:35 Dude, the Declaration of Independence people were all be hitting cigarettes back then.

Joe Rogan 45:39 For sure they were smoking tobacco.

Theo Von 45:40 Smoking tobacco.

Joe Rogan 45:40 Yeah, I don't know if they did pipes or what have you back then. I wonder when the cigarette was invented. Because if you think about it, like pipes and cigars, you don't inhale. You just take it in your mouth. But cigarettes you, like, take into your lungs. I wonder when the first dude figured that you gotta, like, suck it all in-

Theo Von 45:57 Ugh

Joe Rogan 45:57 ... to get a full hit.

Theo Von 45:58 Gated, probably.

Joe Rogan 45:59 Probably.

Theo Von 45:59 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 45:59 Probably. He wanna suck everything.

Theo Von 46:01 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 46:02 Cigarettes, bananas, what have you.

Theo Von 46:04 [laughs] Yeah.

Speaker 46:05 They were smoking cigarette, or, uh, just says drinking smoke when Christopher Columbus and his crew discovered indigenous people in the Caribbean.

Theo Von 46:13 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:14 Oh, you mean Christopher Columbus was or the indigenous people were?

Speaker 46:16 It says they had observed indigenous people in the Caribbean, in quotes, "drinking smoke."

Theo Von 46:20 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 46:21 But this is-

Joe Rogan 46:22 Why is that-

Speaker 46:22 ... going back that, um, that's exactly why I brought it up.

Theo Von 46:23 Gotta be drinking and smoking. Crisco was off that shit, bro. He was off that shit, for sure.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Bro, do you ever read the things that Christopher Columbus did when they came to America?

Theo Von 46:34 He was a boss, I heard.

Joe Rogan 46:35 He was an evil man.

Theo Von 46:37 Was he?

Joe Rogan 46:37 Oh my God.

Theo Von 46:38 Oh.

Joe Rogan 46:39 They would cut people's arms off if they didn't bring them the right amount of gold. They were killing babies. Like, they did some horrific shit, man.

Theo Von 46:47 Huh.

Joe Rogan 46:47 They did horrific shit-

Theo Von 46:49 Maybe they'll-

Joe Rogan 46:49 ... to the people that they found. 'Cause they found these people had gold, and, you know, they... Like, if you think about how crazy it is that Mexico speaks Spanish. You know how crazy that is?

Theo Von 47:01 Mm.

Joe Rogan 47:02 You know how crazy it is? That's so far away from Spain.

Theo Von 47:05 Oh, that's a good point.

Joe Rogan 47:06 They all speak Spanish, and they're Catholic. Gee, why do you think that happened? Cortez.

Theo Von 47:12 Yeah, Cortez.

Joe Rogan 47:12 That motherfucker showed up in the 1500s with, like, 600 dudes-

Theo Von 47:16 Yeah

Joe Rogan 47:16 ... and 12 muskets. They had, like, 12. They didn't even have musket rifles. They had musket pistols.

Theo Von 47:22 He was a boss.

Joe Rogan 47:23 And they took over the whole fucking country.

Theo Von 47:26 I know, dude.

Joe Rogan 47:26 Kind of crazy. Like, if you think about all these years later, they all speak Spanish now.

Theo Von 47:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:32 That's nuts.

Theo Von 47:33 Well, do you think we could do something like that now? Like, what do you think's gonna happen, Joe?

Joe Rogan 47:37 With Iran?

Theo Von 47:38 No, just with... I mean, like, I feel like the shit that's happening out there is gonna come here eventually.

Joe Rogan 47:43 Well, most certainly will. Yeah.

Theo Von 47:45 You know?

Joe Rogan 47:45 I mean, if, uh, Homeland Security doesn't stop it i- in its tracks, and they're doing a, a great job of preventing a lot of them. You know, there's a lot of things that they catch that you don't even hear about that are, like, terror cells that they infiltrate and... But they know there's people in this country. That was the most fucked up thing about people being all nonchalant about the border being wide open for four years.

Theo Von 48:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Because men of military age entered into this country from foreign countries, and we have no idea why. We don't know if they're just honest people looking to make a better life for them and their families, send money back home. That'd be best case scenario. But that's not all of them. So what percentage of them are terrorists? What percentage of them... There's not-- It's not zero. It ain't zero.

Theo Von 48:33 Yeah. But what also, it's like it's all just a cat and mouse game. People are like, "We'll elect the Democrats next time." It's like, but it's all the same shit has been happening forever. They haven't been helping anybody forever. They're letting fucking politicians slurp on kids. All of our fucking money goes to Israel, and they're using it to fucking genocide people. It's like everybody is scared out of their wits right now. It's like our religious leaders are afraid to speak out and, and it's like the w- it's a time where it's like Satan is amongst us, and our religious leaders are fucking talking about bullshit at the pol- It just like, what is going... I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 49:06 We gotta get you off those antidepressants, son.

Theo Von 49:07 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 49:07 You're losing your fucking marbles.

Theo Von 49:09 You think I am?

Joe Rogan 49:10 Come hang out with us. Just chill out.

Theo Von 49:11 I'm here.

Joe Rogan 49:12 Just chill out at the mothership tonight.

Theo Von 49:13 I do have to pee in a little while, but-

Joe Rogan 49:15 You can pee.

Theo Von 49:15 I'm gonna pee in a minute, man.

Joe Rogan 49:16 We'll let you.

Theo Von 49:17 But no, people are just scared, dude. This is shit that I hear from people.

Joe Rogan 49:21 They won't let you in Canada. They won't let you pee until you give them your guns.

Theo Von 49:23 Really?

Joe Rogan 49:23 That's how they're doing it now.

Theo Von 49:25 But what if you have to wash the black face off the president? Can you fucking [laughs] use a little bit of piss to do that?

Joe Rogan 49:29 So, you know, Canada had this big-

Theo Von 49:30 Man, dude

Joe Rogan 49:31 ... they had this big gun thing, this law they passed where they made a bunch of guns illegal, and they found that only, uh, I think it's less... It's a very small percentage of people. I think it's somewhere in the neighbor- find out what percentage of people have complied. But I think-

Theo Von 49:45 They don't have any guns.

Joe Rogan 49:46 Oh, they do. Yeah, they do.

Theo Von 49:47 Canada?

Joe Rogan 49:48 They did. They used to. Well, a lot of hunters up there, for sure. But there's a lot of recreational guns and handguns and self-defense weapons that people had that they recently made during, uh, Castro's kid, when he was running the country, when they, uh, recently made this ban.

Theo Von 50:04 I got to meet Castro one time. Did I tell you that?

Joe Rogan 50:05 So here it is. No. I wanna hear that, but one, one second. But data provided by Public Safety Canada shows that of March 27, 32,406 people signed up to participate in the program. They declared a total of 57,440 firearms, roughly 42% of what was projected. But they were talking about... Oh, you know who has it on his page? Is, uh, Coleyon Noir.

Theo Von 50:28 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:29 He has it here. I'll send it to you because, uh-

Theo Von 50:32 We gotta do this in Memphis, dude

Joe Rogan 50:34 ... it's kind of crazy.

Theo Von 50:37 Yeah, you can't let them take away your weapons.

Joe Rogan 50:40 No.

Theo Von 50:40 'Cause how will you fight?

Joe Rogan 50:42 Uh, how will you fight? That's a very good question. Yeah, I saw Coleyon's video. Here it is. Nah. Yeah, this is it. Here, play this.

Theo Von 50:54 Type shit right here.

Speaker 50:55 Woman's response? "Cool. We're sending police to your house."

Speaker 50:59 The declaration period for firearms owners is scheduled to end next week. So far, only 2.5% of the estimated two million affected firearms have been declared.

Theo Von 51:07 2%.

Speaker 51:07 And 98% of firearms owners haven't made a declaration.

Speaker 51:10 Canada banned 2,500 types of firearms, gave gun owners until March 31st, essentially today, to declare them. One week before the deadline, 2.5% compliance. Two-

Theo Von 51:21 Fuck yeah

Speaker 51:21 ... point five. That's not a slow rollout. That's a full on rejection.

Speaker 51:25 So if they're not declaring by next week, what's your plan, Minister?

Speaker 51:28 The plan we have is, as of March the 31st, the, um, time to complete, uh, the enrollment, um, will be com- will be done. Uh, and then, uh, the RCMP, uh, and other agencies will be, um, uh, available throughout, uh, the spring and the summer to, uh, do the collection.

Speaker 51:47 The collection?

Theo Von 51:48 Wow.

Speaker 51:48 Do the collection.

Speaker 51:49 Like he's speaking about dry cleaning, not firearms, not property that belonged to law-abiding citizens-

Theo Von 51:54 Who is that?

Speaker 51:54 ... before the government decided-

Joe Rogan 51:55 That's my friend Coleyon

Speaker 51:56 ... it didn't anymore.

Speaker 51:57 So Minister, you're saying that RCMP members, we just heard an Auditor General report saying we're short 3,400 members. We're dealing with a wave of violent crime across this country, and you're saying that your plan is over the spring and the summer to deploy RCMP officers to go door to door to firearms owners and seize their firearms?

Theo Von 52:12 Wow.

Speaker 52:12 So this is a voluntary program, Mr. Lloyd, as you're aware. Um, and the, the RCMP resources and the resources we will use with law enforcement, uh, does not contemplate in any way using existing resources. These are additional resources, so these are those who are, uh, off duty-

Theo Von 52:31 Go-

Speaker 52:31 ... those who may be retired.

Theo Von 52:32 Go back to-

Speaker 52:32 I can, I can ask him to do that.

Theo Von 52:33 They're gonna take retired people to go door to door?

Speaker 52:36 Yeah. Minister, I just find that very concerning that, uh, we're gonna be sending-

Theo Von 52:36 It's like their new ICE. There's, there are, there's-

Speaker 52:38 ... police officers door to door-

Theo Von 52:39 This is a fucking-

Speaker 52:40 ... because, uh, frankly, many police forces across the country are refusing to participate in your program.

Speaker 52:43 And here's the part that should make your jaw-

Theo Von 52:45 Good for them

Speaker 52:45 ... hit the floor. The Minister of Public Safety, the guy running this entire program, was secretly recorded saying the gun grab isn't worth the money.

Speaker 52:52 The Minister of Public Safety accidentally told the truth, and he was recorded doing it. He said that the gun grab is not worth the money.

Speaker 53:01 He doubts local police will have the resources to enforce the Liberals' mandatory gun buyback program and says the reason the Prime Minister is sticking with the policy is to appease voters in Quebec.

Speaker 53:10 He privately admitted the police can't even enforce it.

Theo Von 53:13 Look at his face.

Speaker 53:13 He said they're doing it-

Theo Von 53:14 The face that they picked

Speaker 53:15 ... to win votes.

Theo Von 53:16 The guy-

Joe Rogan 53:16 In the screenshot, look at his face behind him

Theo Von 53:18 ... they picked the worst guy.

Joe Rogan 53:19 Can't remember-

Theo Von 53:19 Go back to his name. Go back to his name.

Joe Rogan 53:21 I can't.

Theo Von 53:22 If you can't, it was Ananandasedigidi.

Joe Rogan 53:24 Whatever his name is-

Theo Von 53:25 But here's what I'm saying

Joe Rogan 53:25 ... I want him to go door to door.

Theo Von 53:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:27 You go door to door, bitch.

Theo Von 53:27 You go door to door and do this shit.

Joe Rogan 53:28 You go door to door, bitch.

Theo Von 53:29 But dude, this-

Joe Rogan 53:30 You wanna do that?

Theo Von 53:31 This-

Joe Rogan 53:31 How about you do it? There, he's talking about getting retired people to go door to door-

Theo Von 53:34 Yeah

Joe Rogan 53:34 ... and take people in. You're gonna get someone shot, stupid.

Theo Von 53:37 Well, it's just like our draft now. They're like, now it's 42. Now it's 47. Now it's-

Joe Rogan 53:40 And you could have a, a, a marijuana arrest now.

Theo Von 53:42 [laughs] They're letting anybody in that bitch.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Hey, a little weed. What's the big deal?

Theo Von 53:47 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 53:48 Come on.

Theo Von 53:49 But dude, here's the, here's the, here's the part to me that's like you start to see like the, uh, chink in the armor or whatever, and no offense anybody. Um, but-

Joe Rogan 53:57 You're allowed to say that, chink in the armor.

Theo Von 53:59 But they know who I'm... They know who they think or if... I'm not saying anything about them.

Joe Rogan 54:02 I know you're not, but the people think that-

Theo Von 54:05 I'm not.

Joe Rogan 54:06 Yeah. I hear you.

Theo Von 54:07 But they... But yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:08 You can't say spick and span anymore either.

Theo Von 54:10 You can't say spick and span?

Joe Rogan 54:12 Well, you can, but you shouldn't.

Theo Von 54:13 You gotta whisper it. [laughs] Hey. It's like-

Joe Rogan 54:16 That, that guy should be forced to go door to door.

Theo Von 54:18 Go door to door and shit.

Joe Rogan 54:19 Of course, he should. In a bright orange vest with a circle in the center of it.

Theo Von 54:22 Yeah, I was just gonna get his name 'cause I wanted to say, "That guy's a pussy, and go do your own shit." That fucking, that freaking little honky.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Dough boy.

Theo Von 54:30 Yeah, that little fucking, that little-

Joe Rogan 54:32 Sloppy

Theo Von 54:32 ... bran muffin.

Joe Rogan 54:33 Yeah.

Theo Von 54:34 [laughs] Fucking little-

Joe Rogan 54:34 Little sloppy muffin top.

Theo Von 54:36 Yeah. Get your... That's his name right there. Gary... And I'm gonna di- di- disagree.

Joe Rogan 54:41 An-

Theo Von 54:42 That's what I said

Joe Rogan 54:42 ... Nandasangari. Anandasangari.

Theo Von 54:47 Canada, they're gonna come for you next. But here's what, here's what's funny to me, Joe-

Joe Rogan 54:50 That's such a crazy l- you can't... You, you're not even grandfathering people in. Mandatory gun confiscations. They just want people vulnerable.

Theo Von 55:01 Of course, that's what we're saying, man.

Joe Rogan 55:03 Yeah.

Theo Von 55:04 Joe, that's what we're saying. They want us all vulnerable.

Joe Rogan 55:06 Yeah, they do. They would l- much rather that, because look, what's the difference between-

Theo Von 55:09 But that's what's happening

Joe Rogan 55:09 ... what's the difference between America and everywhere else? One of the big differences, we're fucking heavily armed.

Theo Von 55:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:15 That's one, why it's real, a real problem to try to take over America, and it's in our Declaration of Independence, it's in the Bill of Rights.

Theo Von 55:25 It's-

Joe Rogan 55:25 It's, like, that, this, you know, the, the right to an armed militia.

Theo Von 55:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:31 The right to keep and bear arms, and to have an armed militia. Like, that's, what is the... And people are like, "What is that for?" Well, that's to keep you from being taken over by-

Theo Von 55:39 Right

Joe Rogan 55:39 ... tyrants who have guns.

Theo Von 55:41 Yeah. Well, here's, here's one thing that's interesting to me is, like, RFK was on not long ago, and he was saying that 75%, and I could be off by a few percent, of young men, uh, can't, aren't-

Joe Rogan 55:53 77

Theo Von 55:54 ... aren't eligible for military service.

Joe Rogan 55:55 Yeah.

Theo Von 55:55 So this is the hilarious part to me now. Now they've poisoned us so much that, uh, the, the, they can't even, they don't even have healthy people to serve in the military, and now they're still... Like, I feel like the, these powers that be are, like, in this tough spot now, where like, "Fuck, we poisoned them too much."

Joe Rogan 56:11 Right.

Theo Von 56:11 "They, they can't even go spill their blood for us," you know?

Joe Rogan 56:13 Right. Well, they can't. I mean, there's enough that can.

Theo Von 56:17 But they're widening these things. It's like, with the ICE now, they're like, "If you're 65 and, like, have decent vision, you can be an I-" You know, they're letting... It just, like, it kept getting bigger.

Joe Rogan 56:26 Well, and ICE, you only have seven weeks of training.

Theo Von 56:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:30 You think about, that's not even s- what you get on the police force.

Theo Von 56:34 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 56:34 Yeah, it's crazy.

Theo Von 56:35 Dude, we had more than that for fucking T-ball when I was a kid. [laughs] And Mr. Rick, dude, remember when you had T-ball and your coach was just some dude who had a name? It was like, "That's our coach, Rick."

Joe Rogan 56:44 Just imagine this. Imagine if you had seven weeks of training and you had to go into a jujitsu tournament.

Theo Von 56:49 I know.

Joe Rogan 56:49 You would get fucking smoked. You would get fucking smoked.

Theo Von 56:52 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 56:52 You don't know what you're doing. You barely know what you're doing. You're gonna make a bunch of mistakes.

Theo Von 56:55 Yes, I would, Joe.

Joe Rogan 56:56 Seven weeks of training in that is even scarier because you got, you got guns, and you're going out in the street, and you're arresting people.

Theo Von 57:05 Yeah. That's c- But it's all, it's like it, uh, noth- more than ever, it feels like theater, and it feels like it's been theater for a while, and it feels like, maybe this is crazy, but it feels like we're at the last cusp before something weird is gonna happen. Didn't you say something weird might happen, Jamie?

Joe Rogan 57:26 Jamie's always saying that. Jamie's always... He's tuned in to weird.

Theo Von 57:29 Is he like that?

Joe Rogan 57:30 Ja- Jamie's got an ear for weird.

Theo Von 57:31 Even Blacks are getting scared, though.

Joe Rogan 57:33 For real?

Theo Von 57:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah, but they're more scared of, like, t- the Trump movement, you know-

Theo Von 57:38 I don't know

Joe Rogan 57:38 ... totalitarianism and fascism. No?

Theo Von 57:42 I think they're getting, you know... They see these ostraci- they see these communities of people out there getting abused and shit, and I think it reflects in them somewhere, you know?

Joe Rogan 57:50 You mean, like, with ICE? Is that what you're saying?

Theo Von 57:51 No, with, like, uh, like, you know, you see a, you know, there's a lot of Brown people getting murdered on fucking TikTok all the time, like, you know, in the Middle East, and I think you see that and it makes them hyped up or, you know, it activates.

Joe Rogan 58:03 Well, everybody should be upset about that.

Theo Von 58:05 I agree, but I, I think-

Joe Rogan 58:06 But the idea that the, the only way to solve problems is by dropping bombs on people is, it's so crazy that that's still the move in 2026.

Theo Von 58:14 But I don't think it's the only move.

Joe Rogan 58:15 But however, but however, if you are faced with an evil dictator that has his eyes on a global caliphate and is developing nuclear bombs, you can't be all fucking kumbaya. But it's, the question is, like, how do, how does that get resolved?

Theo Von 58:33 Right, that's the question.

Joe Rogan 58:34 How do you make sure... How can you even know-

Theo Von 58:36 That's what I can't ask you

Joe Rogan 58:37 ... that they're not capable of having nuclear weapons? And for the last 20 years, they've been preparing and stockpiling missiles and developing... What is the... They have some crazy thing I was seeing online where it's like they almost, like, have a mountain and dug deep into the ground, they have these missile elevators, and, like, the missiles are, like, hidden deep into the ground, where the only way you could destroy that facility is with, like, a nuke, and they just did it specifically knowing that they were gonna get bombed.

Theo Von 59:09 Well, they had the, you know, they did Top Gun movie where Miles Teller flew in there, and then f- a year later, we did that in, in, or a few years later, we did that in, uh, Iran. Like, isn't it kind of cra- like, it just, uh, it all seems bizarre, where they had to fire a nuke dow- or they had to fire a missile down into the thing, remember?

Joe Rogan 59:27 I didn't see that movie.

Theo Von 59:28 It was good.

Joe Rogan 59:29 I bet it was.

Theo Von 59:30 It actually was good.

Joe Rogan 59:31 I liked the first one.

Theo Von 59:32 Oh, we made a movie too.

Joe Rogan 59:33 It was crazy.

Theo Von 59:33 I gotta tell you about our movie. I can't forget.

Joe Rogan 59:35 Oh, that's right, you made a movie.

Theo Von 59:36 Yeah. I didn't mean to interrupt about it.

Joe Rogan 59:37 But let's find out what, what, what was I asking before we moved on?

Speaker 59:42 The Iranian missile thing?

Joe Rogan 59:44 Yeah. What is that elevator thing that they have? They have some underground, like, deep underground... Someone was explaining it online. The, they have a very unique method of protecting their missiles from being bombed, so they have, their storage is, like, deep, deep underground. And I think that's one of the things that they were just attacking recently. Like, we were dropping bombs on them recently.

Theo Von 1:00:07 I don't think we're over there doing that for ourselves, though.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Doesn't seem like it. Doesn't seem like it's in our best interest, you know?

Theo Von 1:00:15 Why do you think, why do you think w- then what, what is it that, like, Israel holds over America that we do those things?

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Well, first of all, there's a lot of people that donated to the Trump campaign that have significant influence over him-

Theo Von 1:00:27 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 ... that, uh, lobby for Israel.

Theo Von 1:00:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 And they're very, uh, beholden to Israel.

Theo Von 1:00:31 So that's just capitalism then, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 So IDF uncovers Iran missile mega-cities.

Theo Von 1:00:38 I don't believe anything they say.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 It's hard to know, 'cause this is all AI, right?

Speaker 1:00:41 No.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Is this real?

Speaker 1:00:42 It looked like it was, but-

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Is this real?

Speaker 1:00:44 I have to... Honestly-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 This looks AI

Theo Von 1:00:47 ... this shit ain't real.

Speaker 1:00:47 Some of it does look AI, but that video of those guys walking right there looks real.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Yeah. It's so hard to know these days, man.

Theo Von 1:00:53 Uh, if it's c-

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 It's so hard to know

Theo Von 1:00:56 You know, this is like if I was Iran, I'd make a video like that. Look at all my bombs.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 1:01:00 Look at my big cock, and look at my bombs.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:01:03 I have a big old dick. Big old dick like a third leg and a bunch of bombs.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 I'm fucking sick of my dick.

Theo Von 1:01:09 Really? Give it a break.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 No, I've had-

Theo Von 1:01:13 Leave it alone for a couple days and you'll miss it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Oh, I've had a lot of thoughts. I... [laughs] Yeah.

Theo Von 1:01:18 Dude, I've had-

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Go on vacation from your dick.

Theo Von 1:01:20 Bro, there's times I wanted to just mail my dick to Africa or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Don't. Don't.

Theo Von 1:01:24 Just feed a couple-

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 They'll never send it back.

Theo Von 1:01:25 But I'm saying to feed a couple people.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 I don't think it'll feed a couple.

Theo Von 1:01:29 [laughs] Why, bro? It... [laughs] It'll do-

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 I don't even think it'll feed one.

Theo Von 1:01:32 Get out of here, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Might keep 'em alive for a few hours.

Theo Von 1:01:35 [laughs] Bro, it would be lunch, at least lunch for two.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Someone on a diet.

Theo Von 1:01:40 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 Someone cutting weight for wrestling.

Theo Von 1:01:43 Yeah. [laughs] Or that dude that tried to cut weight and, because he wasn't gay anymore. Remember I told you about that dude? [laughs] He lost 40 pounds, dude. He was just fucking ribs and dick by the end of it. [laughs] Dude, that guy. I gotta pee really bad. Can I do it real fast?

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 Yeah, yeah. Pause. Pause.

Theo Von 1:02:00 Sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

Theo Von 1:02:02 Thank you, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 We'll be right back. [clears throat] Theo Von, David Spade, Busboys, in theaters April 17th. Did you finance this, dude? Did you fucking do this shit with your own money?

Theo Von 1:02:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 You wild motherfucker, you. Wow.

Theo Von 1:02:16 We wrote it and we... Yeah, we did it all. There's no studio attached to it. There's nobody-

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Oh, Tim Dillon's in it.

Theo Von 1:02:22 Tim did a good job.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 He's awesome.

Theo Von 1:02:24 He is awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 He really is.

Theo Von 1:02:25 He's my, uh... He's one of my favorites.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 Yeah, no doubt.

Theo Von 1:02:30 He's one of a kind.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Is that Nate Diaz? [laughs]

Theo Von 1:02:33 Bro, he was so... He was-

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Is that Lewis J?

Theo Von 1:02:36 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Whoa.

Theo Von 1:02:38 No. Who's in it? Cam Patterson, Trevor Wallace.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Nice, dude. What's it about?

Theo Von 1:02:43 Um, it's about two guys and, uh, they're bus- they're just regular guys, and they're not doing that good. And then, um, they think if they can... One of them l- loses his girlfriend to a waiter, and they think if they can become waiters that they can get his girlfriend back. And, uh, they have to start at Busboys.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:03:07 And they don't get very far. So that's pretty much it. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 [laughs] Spoiler alert.

Theo Von 1:03:11 It was crazy though, dude. I mean, I think there's just, like, a thing about, like, like, nobody... Like, it's just we made it ourselves. Like, we wrote it. We did it. There's no fucking somebody saying, "I can't put this in it." Like, some of the streamers are like, "Nah, it's too edgy for us," or whatever. Fuck 'em then. You're out. You know what I'm saying? We're doing our own shit. And so-

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 Did you sell it to a movie distributor? How did you get it into movie theaters?

Theo Von 1:03:31 We just, um-

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 I don't know how that, any of that stuff works.

Theo Von 1:03:35 I don't know either. D- we have a guy who's doing, handling some of the business side of it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Mm.

Theo Von 1:03:39 My friend Ezra's handling some of the business side of it. He's great. And so he's been helping us out, uh, and gotten it into the theaters.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Who directed it?

Theo Von 1:03:45 Um, this guy Jonah Feingold, this, uh, guy out of New York, and, um, great guy. Uh, and yeah, we just, we asked our friends to help, and it was, um... Yeah, I mean, it was ridiculous. We shot it right during, like, the fires ha- when the fires were happening in the Palisades. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Oh, wow.

Theo Von 1:04:03 So it was like, it was a lot-

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 You, you shot it in California?

Theo Von 1:04:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Wow.

Theo Von 1:04:07 I don't know why exactly, but, um... Oh, 'cause there was nothing shooting there. They don't shoot th- things there anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 Isn't that crazy?

Theo Von 1:04:13 Imagine people have been so greedy and fucking attacked. They've fucked themselves so much they can't even fucking do their, the one thing that they're most known for, Hollywood, they can't even fucking do it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Isn't that crazy? It's, it's so crazy. Everybody's just moved out.

Theo Von 1:04:23 It's gross. It's not just cra- it's j- but it's gross, though.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 It is gross. It's all the government. It's all government. It's all government policies, regulations, taxes, all the things that make it unprofitable to do business there. People just pulling up shop.

Theo Von 1:04:37 And there's all these g- yeah, there's so many guild you have to pay. It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Mm-hmm

Theo Von 1:04:40 ... I don't see how these people... I, I don't see how, like, a, a day-to-day actor could survive. And they don't, and they leave.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 A lot of guys are fucked. I was just watching this video with this guy. I've seen him in a ton of movies, and he's like, "Blue collar actors are just not doing well right now." He's like, "I had to sell my house. You know, a lot of people are just going to television shows because there's no money in films anymore."

Theo Von 1:05:01 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 He goes, "I used to be able to make a living in films." And he's like, "I didn't make a lot of money," 'cause he's just, you know, the guy who has a small part in the movie here-

Theo Von 1:05:09 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 ... a small part in the movie there. So he's getting by, and he's, you know, gets to take his family to the movie, and they get to see the dad on screen. It's cool.

Theo Von 1:05:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 You know? He's paying his bills, doing well, but he's not getting wealthy, right?

Theo Von 1:05:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 He's... The stars get wealthy. But those dudes that you need, you know, the guy that plays the cop, the guy that plays this person, those guys are fucked.

Theo Von 1:05:29 Well, I have, I have the name of everybody that was in it, everybody that worked on it. If, if we have some success, I'm gonna go back and reward those people, man.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Beautiful.

Theo Von 1:05:35 And I'm excited about that. And, um, and yeah, if people... If we, even if it just does good, then we can make other stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Right.

Theo Von 1:05:42 And nobody can tell us that we can't.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 Yeah, once you do one that's good-

Theo Von 1:05:46 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 ... then more people are interested in investing, you know, gets y- you get your foot in the door.

Theo Von 1:05:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 You do a Netflix series. You can do anything you want.

Theo Von 1:05:54 And it's not like Dunkirk. I don't know if I wanna really get into a- like, that much acting stuff, but it was just like, you know, I grew up watching David Spade. We got to do it together, and we w- we just went through all of these hurdles. And then, like, uh, the fact that we got it done. Dude, I thought it was all emails till the first day I showed up on set, and I was like, "No fucking way. We were serious? People were s- serious about this?" [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 [laughs] Oh, that's crazy. You did it.

Theo Von 1:06:18 But yeah, I think so, yeah, something like that. I think there's something like that, and, uh, and if people, if people can buy a ticket early to it, I don't wanna sound de- I'm not, I'm not desperate about it. If it does fine, that's cool, and if it doesn't, that's okay too. I feel happy that we got to do it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 If it's funny, it'll do great because there's not a lot of that these days. There's not a lot of really funny movies.

Theo Von 1:06:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 And I know it's gonna be funny.

Theo Von 1:06:40 There's some parts that are really, really funny.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 I'm sure.

Theo Von 1:06:42 It's not like Dunkirk or anything like that. It's not like Midsommar or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 What are those things that you just said?

Theo Von 1:06:47 Those are just other movies. But it's an... I don't want people going there thinking it's like, um, uh, like a... I'm trying to think of, uhBridges of, like of-

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 Bridges of Madison County?

Theo Von 1:07:00 Yeah. It's nothing like that.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 It's a comedy.

Theo Von 1:07:01 It's a comedy movie.

Joe Rogan 1:07:02 Nobody's gonna think it's that.

Theo Von 1:07:03 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:07:03 Nobody ... It's you and David Spade. Who the fuck is gonna think it's Clint Eastwood and Meryl Streep?

Theo Von 1:07:07 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:07:08 What's wrong with you?

Theo Von 1:07:09 I don't know what people think.

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:07:12 I don't know what people think or how they think. But yeah-

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 Hmm

Theo Von 1:07:15 ... anyway, but yeah, there's, there's some [laughs] fucking retarded stuff. It's just fun, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 You know who used to have a great joke about Bridges of Madison County? Chris McGuire, he had a fucking great joke.

Theo Von 1:07:23 Dude, it's one of my favorite movies.

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Congratulations. Let me tell you his joke. His joke was about how, you know, it's hard to choose a movie with your girlfriend. Like, she wants this. And he goes, "Bridges of Madison County." He's like, "Oh, Clint Eastwood's in it." He goes, "Clint would never fuck me."

Theo Von 1:07:36 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 And he goes, 10 minutes into the movie he's like, "Hey, something's fishy. Clint doesn't have a gun." [laughs]

Theo Von 1:07:43 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 He goes, "20 minutes after that, Clint's crying." I'm like, "Oh, Clint, you fucked me." He goes, "He's crying 'cause he doesn't have a gun." [laughs]

Theo Von 1:07:51 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 Such a great joke.

Theo Von 1:07:55 Yeah, that's a good one.

Joe Rogan 1:07:55 Shout out to Chris McGuire.

Theo Von 1:07:57 Shout out to Chris McGuire. I haven't met him.

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 You never met him?

Theo Von 1:07:59 I haven't.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 Funny dude. We started out together-

Theo Von 1:08:02 Oh

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 ... way back in the dizzay. But he went-

Theo Von 1:08:03 Did you?

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 Yeah, he went the route of writing.

Theo Von 1:08:05 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:05 He mostly writes and stuff now. But, uh, was a funny comic, man. He's a good comic. But, um, these fucking comedy movies are squashed. We were just talking about that last night in the green room. We're just like, it seems like The Hangover was probably the last gasp, and that was, like, 2009?

Theo Von 1:08:26 But what happened? Like, how could you go that-

Joe Rogan 1:08:28 People got scared. You got scared of-

Theo Von 1:08:30 I don't know if they're scared

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 ... offense. 100%.

Theo Von 1:08:31 It seems organized to me.

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 It's wo- no, it's woke ideology.

Theo Von 1:08:33 If we take comedy away from people-

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 They don't-

Theo Von 1:08:34 ... they're not gonna be laughed.

Joe Rogan 1:08:36 They didn't think. They didn't think. It's woke ideology that's looking to yell at people for every-

Theo Von 1:08:41 Oh, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 ... transgression, and you can't have that with comedy. You can't have that kind of nonsense with a really funny movie.

Theo Von 1:08:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:49 Like Something About Mary, or, you know, Kingpin.

Theo Von 1:08:53 Kingpin was good.

Joe Rogan 1:08:53 Classic Farrelly brothers movies. Oh, so good.

Theo Von 1:08:56 How, how great was that?

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 Great fucking movie. Great fucking movie.

Theo Von 1:09:00 God.

Joe Rogan 1:09:00 That movie's so good, so funny. Even to this day, go back and rewatch it. Bill Murray with his crazy fucking hair, Woody Harrelson with one hand. It, it's a great movie, man.

Theo Von 1:09:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:10 When he had to go down on that lady to pay his rent and he threw up in the toilet, remember that scene? [laughs]

Theo Von 1:09:16 [laughs]

Speaker 1:09:16 Yeah, man, that movie's 30 years old now.

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 Is it?

Speaker 1:09:18 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:09:19 That is crazy.

Speaker 1:09:21 '96.

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 It's a banger of a movie, man.

Theo Von 1:09:23 All the good shit's gone, dude, but it's, but-

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 It's not

Theo Von 1:09:25 ... it's not.

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 It's not.

Theo Von 1:09:26 That's true. Is it?

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 It's a hiatus.

Theo Von 1:09:26 You're right. Sometimes I get in that attitude where it's like, I gotta stay out of those little moments. I usually get at them pretty quick. But-

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 You can still do those movies, but you have to do it the way you just did it. You have to finance it yourself, and you have to do ... But luckily now, man, you could shoot a whole fucking movie on your phone.

Theo Von 1:09:42 Dude, we shot this bitch in 23 days, dude. There was one [laughs] day where the winds were, like, 50 miles an hour, and it was like, we can't afford to be here another day, so suddenly in these scenes, there's just a ton of [laughs] fucking wind, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:09:54 Well, that's fine. That shit happens in the real world, right?

Theo Von 1:09:57 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:09:57 Why can't it happen in your show?

Theo Von 1:09:58 I agree. It was just ... And I think it was just interesting how it all worked out, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:10:02 People are making their own stuff, you know? Like, I was talking to Shane about this last night.

Theo Von 1:10:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:06 'Cause, you know, Shane just wrapped up Tires.

Theo Von 1:10:08 I just saw Shane.

Joe Rogan 1:10:09 This new season of Tires.

Theo Von 1:10:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:11 Yeah. He was ... He fucking ... He was telling me some hilarious scenes from Tires. I, I can't wait to watch it. But it's, like, that kind of a thing, where just him and his buddies put together a show.

Theo Von 1:10:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 You know? It's like, his buddy's the writer and the director. All his buddies are on it. He, they all came up with the idea.

Theo Von 1:10:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:29 They do it themselves. No one's looking over their shoulder. I asked him if, like, Netflix has any input. He's like, "No, there's no input." They just make a show. They just make a show-

Theo Von 1:10:38 That's fun

Joe Rogan 1:10:39 ... give it to Netflix, bang. It's a beautiful time for stuff like that.

Theo Von 1:10:43 Yeah, you're right. There's a new ... It's a primavera, they say in Spanish. It's a springtime for new things.

Joe Rogan 1:10:49 Well, there's an opening, right? And because there's no gatekeepers anymore, because they've essentially killed their own business, you can kinda do it on your own now.

Theo Von 1:10:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 That's the beautiful thing. Like, you don't have to, like, sit in a room full of fucking executives that don't know jack shit-

Theo Von 1:11:04 Oh

Joe Rogan 1:11:04 ... and they wanna give you direction on what's funny and what's not, and where's the diversity in your film?

Theo Von 1:11:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:09 You know? We think you should have a Black trans friend. Like, oh, fuck.

Theo Von 1:11:12 Yeah, we think you should have a a- a faggot ant or whatever, like the insect or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:11:17 And I'm like, "That's crazy." You're like, "This is a fucking-" [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:11:23 What? [laughs]

Theo Von 1:11:23 You're like, "This is, this is a script about driver's ed." And they're like, "But you need an insect that's a homerotic."

Joe Rogan 1:11:29 Yeah. It's just people got stupid. They got stupid with their virtue signaling in films, and you can't do that with art. You, you can't have quote ... Did you see what the Academy Award's doing? Like, in order to qualify to be nominated for an Academy Award now?

Theo Von 1:11:44 Well, for the podcast thing, I know they, they said we had to pay a fi- like a fee or something.

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 No, that's-

Theo Von 1:11:48 I remember you talked about that

Joe Rogan 1:11:48 ... that's, that's a different ... That's the Golden Globes.

Theo Von 1:11:51 Okay, sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:11:51 Yeah. That's a different thing. Yeah. Did ... You didn't pay for that either, did you?

Theo Von 1:11:56 No.

Joe Rogan 1:11:56 Did they ask you to?

Theo Von 1:11:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 Fuck yeah, dog. Give me some. Yeah, fuck off.

Theo Von 1:12:00 I said, "So what?" Yeah. And I-

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 Like, I don't, I don't-

Theo Von 1:12:02 I was like, if Joe Rogan ... If it, it, this ... If you don't even have him in it, then what are you even making a thing?

Joe Rogan 1:12:08 That was also a reason why I didn't wanna be in it.

Theo Von 1:12:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:10 Like, I don't wanna legitimize this. You guys have fucked up every other form of entertainment, and now you're gonna judge podcasting?

Theo Von 1:12:16 Yeah, get fucked.

Joe Rogan 1:12:16 And what did you pick? Look, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with The Amy Poehler Show. I haven't watched it. People love it. That's great. But she's, like, a famous lady who just started doing podcasting six months ago.

Theo Von 1:12:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:26 And she's got the number one podcast? Like, have you guys ever listened to Radiolab? You know? You ever listen to, like ... There's some banging fucking podcasts out there.

Theo Von 1:12:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:33 They might not be number one, but if your whole idea is, like, pick the ones that are great, that are, like, really interesting. How Stuff Gets Made. There's a bunch of fucking great podcasts out there.

Theo Von 1:12:43 Smartless is cool.

Joe Rogan 1:12:44 There's a bunch of great-

Theo Von 1:12:45 There's a lot of good stuff

Joe Rogan 1:12:45 ... podcasts out there.

Theo Von 1:12:46 Oh, dude, there's so many great ones, dude. Matt McCusker's f-

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 Oh, yeah

Theo Von 1:12:50 ... if you get to ... How fun is he to listen to?

Joe Rogan 1:12:52 He's awesome. He's fun. He's a good dude.

Theo Von 1:12:54 Well, he's a-

Joe Rogan 1:12:54 I'm, I'm glad he's out here.

Theo Von 1:12:56 He's a special dude, man.

Joe Rogan 1:12:57 Yeah, very smart guyYou know?

Theo Von 1:13:00 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:13:00 It's, uh, there's a lot of great podcasts out there. Tim Dillon's not on that list? Fuck off.

Theo Von 1:13:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:05 If he's not on that list, fuck off.

Theo Von 1:13:06 Get fucked, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:13:08 Get fucked. Get fucked. That is the one podcast I consistently listen to, Tim Dillon.

Theo Von 1:13:12 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:13:13 His, his episode on the Epstein Files is one of the-

Theo Von 1:13:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:13:16 ... best fucking podcasts I have ever listened to. I was, like, clapping in my car [clapping] at red lights.

Theo Von 1:13:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:22 Just clapping like, "Woo." It was, he was on fire, and it was the per- perfect combination of satire, honest-

Theo Von 1:13:32 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:13:33 ... real facts, complete chaos, humor, wearing those goofy glasses-

Theo Von 1:13:39 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:13:39 ... ranting like a maniac. It was amazing.

Theo Von 1:13:42 Yeah, man, I, I do feel lucky that I've gotten to meet, like, just... That's one of the truest things, I think, through comedy, is just getting to meet some, just some fun people, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:13:50 We know some cool motherfuckers. We really do. We know some cool motherfuckers. We really do. We-

Theo Von 1:13:55 Man, thanks, dude. Thanks for letting me come in here today, too.

Joe Rogan 1:13:57 Come on, dog. You know I love you.

Theo Von 1:13:57 And to spend time with you.

Joe Rogan 1:13:58 Come on, dog.

Theo Von 1:13:59 It's good. It just feels s- things feel kinda scary out there.

Joe Rogan 1:14:03 Well, it's a little also scary, I keep telling you this, 'cause you're on your own out there. You're out there living in Nashville.

Theo Von 1:14:09 I'm getting close to being here.

Joe Rogan 1:14:10 There ain't a lot of comics out there, dog. I mean, Bargatze's out there, but he's always doing fucking stadiums on the road and shit.

Theo Von 1:14:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:17 Like, y- you need to be around-

Theo Von 1:14:18 Oh, I'm getting ready

Joe Rogan 1:14:19 ... the crew.

Theo Von 1:14:20 'Cause I have to start to practice again. I'm taping my special in one month.

Joe Rogan 1:14:23 Last night in the green room it was Shane, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe, Brian Simpson, Hasan Minhaj, Derek Poston.

Theo Von 1:14:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:32 We were just laughing and laughing. It was, it's so fun. And everyone's going on stage and fucking tearing it up. It was, it was exciting.

Theo Von 1:14:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:41 It's like it's in the air, like something's happening here.

Theo Von 1:14:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:14:44 And you see all these young guys coming in, these young women coming in, and they're all fired up and they're all fucking prepared, and everybody's, like, really trying to fucking kill it.

Theo Von 1:14:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:53 It's nice.

Theo Von 1:14:54 Yeah, we got Christina Mariani. I'm doing a show tonight.

Joe Rogan 1:14:56 She's very funny, man.

Theo Von 1:14:56 She's on it. Dillon Sullivan, I think is-

Joe Rogan 1:14:58 Dillon Sullivan's very funny, too.

Theo Von 1:15:00 Yeah. So I'm excited about that.

Joe Rogan 1:15:01 Yeah. He's, uh, they're, they're both at the club all the time. It's a g- it's a fun time for comedy, man. It really is. A real good time for comedy.

Theo Von 1:15:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:08 And, uh-

Theo Von 1:15:09 It's a special time

Joe Rogan 1:15:10 ... comedy doesn't e- ex- exist in a vacuum. That, you know, that's why I keep telling you, you can't do that-

Theo Von 1:15:14 What does that mean?

Joe Rogan 1:15:14 ... on your own.

Theo Von 1:15:15 Oh, you can't do it by yourself.

Joe Rogan 1:15:16 You don't want to be by yourself, man. Like, you ever go by yourself on the road and you have, like, opening acts you don't know?

Theo Von 1:15:21 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:21 I used to hate... Well, every now and then I m- I met some friends. Like, that's how I met Segura. I didn't know Segura until I worked with him on the road. So you do meet some cool motherfuckers occasionally, but it's like 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20.

Theo Von 1:15:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:34 So you do all these gigs and you're lonely. You're just, like, on the road, and you go into libraries and shit, or bookstores, and you're, like, trying to watch something on TV, and going to the gym. But you, you feel completely disconnected to people until you get on stage. It's not as fun.

Theo Von 1:15:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:48 It's like you wanna be around a bunch of other comics that are your friends, and also you wanna hear their sets. You wanna watch them crush. You wanna go on stage already laughing. You wanna be laughing at what he just said when you get on stage.

Theo Von 1:16:00 And feel the competition.

Joe Rogan 1:16:02 It's inspiration more than it is competition.

Theo Von 1:16:05 Yeah. That's fair.

Joe Rogan 1:16:06 So the problem with competition is someone has to lose.

Theo Von 1:16:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:09 You don't want anybody to lose. Then no one has to lose. It's just these people doing well should inspire you to do well. They should light a fire under you.

Theo Von 1:16:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:19 You can call it competition, but the problem with competition is one person wins, one person loses.

Theo Von 1:16:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:23 That's not comedy. What comedy is, is everybody wins. That's real.

Theo Von 1:16:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:28 And that's not, like, bullshit talk to try to appear humble. The reality is you win if everybody wins.

Theo Von 1:16:34 You've always... I, well, that's one thing I've always admired. You alw- you've always been that way. Like, I'm gonna pick, I'm gonna... Yes, I'll support you how I can, you know? And you've always been that way about young comics, and, uh, yeah, I agree with you.

Joe Rogan 1:16:45 People did it for me, man. They did it for me when I was coming up, and it, it helped me tremendously, and I, I try to pass it on times 10. It's, um, between that and Kill Tony.

Theo Von 1:16:55 Kill Tony's so fun, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:16:57 It's such an important part of comedy, like, having this place where you c- you, all you need is a minute. You could've been doing comedy, like, just trying it out on the road, and fucking just, like, barely filling up a Friday night 10:00 show. And, and then you develop, like, one minute that just c- breaks through, and all of a sudden you got a fucking career.

Theo Von 1:17:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:18 You know? You got a career now.

Theo Von 1:17:19 Yeah. I mean, there's young heroes that are being sprouted out of here, and even adult heroes. People that have been in it a while are-

Joe Rogan 1:17:25 Yeah

Theo Von 1:17:25 ... getting here and finding their-

Joe Rogan 1:17:26 Yep

Theo Von 1:17:26 ... finding just a new... You're right, it's like a-

Joe Rogan 1:17:28 Guys, look at Adam Ray. Adam Ray's killing it now. Adam Ray was struggling. He was stru- but he was a funny guy.

Theo Von 1:17:34 Hard worker.

Joe Rogan 1:17:35 Just did... Hard worker. Never lost his ambition.

Theo Von 1:17:38 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:17:38 Never lost his focus. Never lost his enthusiasm for it. Never got bitter. Always friendly.

Theo Von 1:17:43 Always.

Joe Rogan 1:17:44 And just he needed a show like Kill Tony to come around to like, and everybody like, "Oh my God, this motherfucker is talented."

Theo Von 1:17:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:50 All those different characters that he does.

Theo Von 1:17:52 I know, and that's a brave thing. So if you, if you've just done comedy, mostly stand up, and then to try and go into character-

Joe Rogan 1:17:57 Yeah

Theo Von 1:17:57 ... that's a kind of a, that's a, to, to, to me that, that, that would feel very hard. So that's a brave thing that he does.

Joe Rogan 1:18:02 But there's a few of those guys-

Theo Von 1:18:03 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:18:04 ... that really excel at that, and that's a special talent. Him and Dunagan especially.

Theo Von 1:18:08 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:18:09 Kyle Dunagan.

Theo Von 1:18:11 He's so funny.

Joe Rogan 1:18:12 He's so funny. And I always thought he was gonna make it with those face swaps. This shows you how the industry's so fucked up, okay? So he was doing those face swap shows on Instagram-

Theo Von 1:18:22 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 1:18:22 ... right? And they were so funny. But one of the reasons why they're funny is because it's obviously fake. It's crude, like South Park. Like, it doesn't look real, so it doesn't freak you out at all. It looks so fake that it's funny.

Theo Von 1:18:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:18:35 He went into Comedy Central and then they started using, like, much more sophisticated face swap, which wasn't as funny. It was, like, creepy. And then they cut the balls off of it. Like, he wanted to have one where Caitlyn Jenner was fucking Donald Trump. Caitlyn going, "Yeah, baby."

Theo Von 1:18:50 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:18:50 Like, driving, riding Trump and they went, "No, no, no, no, no. You can't have that."

Theo Von 1:18:53 His Kardashian ones are so funny.

Joe Rogan 1:18:55 They're so funny.

Theo Von 1:18:55 He's the best, dude. And even the Kardashians like him, I've heard.

Joe Rogan 1:18:58 Yeah. Look, they, they have a sense of humor. They have to.They have to have a sense of humor. They've been in the public eye for 20 fucking years with no talent whatsoever.

Theo Von 1:19:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:06 Just getting attention. Like, you, you gotta not take yourself too seriously if you hold that position, you know?

Theo Von 1:19:11 Yeah. And they-

Joe Rogan 1:19:13 Just raking in dough

Theo Von 1:19:14 [laughs] Raking in that dough. Their whole fam- they should count as reparations, I feel like, that, that whole family, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:19:21 You think?

Theo Von 1:19:21 I think so. I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:19:26 I'm gonna le- leave that alone.

Theo Von 1:19:28 Yeah. Same. I don't know if it was a good... I thought it was a joke. I don't know if-

Joe Rogan 1:19:30 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:19:30 It is a joke, but I just, I don't think I said it right.

Joe Rogan 1:19:33 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:19:33 Who gives a shit, dude? The world's gonna end soon, so fucking get it out of your system.

Joe Rogan 1:19:37 If it doesn't end, it's gonna change.

Theo Von 1:19:39 That's what's scary, dude. I think I'm just fucking scared.

Joe Rogan 1:19:40 All those fucking eggheads on the spectrum are gonna be running everything.

Theo Von 1:19:44 But do you feel like... Does it, like... Like, 'cause yeah, this, th-this, I'll go back to this Uber driver, it's just a guy who was talking to me and he's like, "Well, they're gonna give," you know, like, if, like Waymos get a job, the Waymo can work all night. It can work 24 hours, right? So really you're taking away like four or five shifts from an actual... So, you know what I'm saying? Like, AI, if AI and tech advancement makes it so, you know, they're, they can do 50 people's jobs with a one robot-

Joe Rogan 1:20:13 Yeah

Theo Von 1:20:14 ... then yeah, what happens to those 50 people? How will people survive? How will they be able to assure that their kid that they're raising and b- trying to teach positive things to will have a world to enact those things in?

Joe Rogan 1:20:25 It's a very good question, and it's a good question that gets even weirder when the government is responsible for all your money. So if the government has to give you money because there's no jobs left, and if all this money's being generated by AI, like Elon suggests, and you get universal high income, you gotta be really careful that that doesn't come with a bunch of rules, new rules for your behavior, for social media posting. Any kind of like, if they develop some sort of an app that tracks like your, your social credit score, that's when shit gets fucking super scary. If like they attach the amount of money you have to your social credit score.

Theo Von 1:21:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:07 Which is what they do in China.

Theo Von 1:21:08 Well, do you see those flock cameras now? I think there's, or there's some-

Joe Rogan 1:21:10 Yeah

Theo Von 1:21:10 ... there's this, and there's this thing in Florida where, uh, police officers, they were testing this somewhere, and um, and shout out police officers for doing their best. Um, but, uh, where they were testing, when they pull somebody's i-identification, they can see their last few like bank transactions and stuff, so they kind of know who they're interacting with and what they've been up to.

Joe Rogan 1:21:33 Mm.

Theo Von 1:21:34 That seems like... What, what is that about?

Joe Rogan 1:21:36 Well, unless you-

Theo Von 1:21:37 It's all a little bit, it's like a centimeter here, a centimeter there

Joe Rogan 1:21:39 ... done a crime and they're trying to find out how you did the crime, they should have no access to your shit, especially police officers.

Theo Von 1:21:46 I'm just saying-

Joe Rogan 1:21:47 They're just people, and also sometimes corrupt.

Theo Von 1:21:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:50 Also, sometimes they steal money. Also, sometimes they sell drugs. Also, sometimes they fucking kill people for hire.

Theo Von 1:21:56 [laughs] Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:56 Right?

Theo Von 1:21:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:57 Jesus.

Theo Von 1:21:59 I don't know, Joe. It just feels-

Joe Rogan 1:22:00 I know

Theo Von 1:22:00 ... spooky out there.

Joe Rogan 1:22:02 Well, the more power the government has over you, the worse you are off.

Theo Von 1:22:06 But it's-

Joe Rogan 1:22:06 That's just a fact.

Theo Von 1:22:07 Well every... It seems now like most people are like, "Our government does not, obviously, is not here to help the people."

Joe Rogan 1:22:14 Obviously.

Theo Von 1:22:14 They've been compromised.

Joe Rogan 1:22:16 That's true.

Theo Von 1:22:17 So isn't there, is, are there any rules against when people... 'Cause but we have w- but the crazy part is we are working to pay the taxes to keep them do- it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:22:25 I know

Theo Von 1:22:26 ... and that starts to make you feel sick.

Joe Rogan 1:22:28 And they're not responsible for any of the fraud and waste.

Theo Von 1:22:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:31 Like there's so much fraud and waste. Like look at California. This motherfucker's trying to be president after who knows how much fraud and waste is involved in California.

Theo Von 1:22:41 He wouldn't e- I don't think he'd beat Spencer Pratt in a runoff, I don't think.

Joe Rogan 1:22:44 [laughs] Well, uh, Spencer Pratt is running for mayor.

Theo Von 1:22:48 Oh, I see.

Joe Rogan 1:22:48 Yeah. Uh, and I think he can win.

Theo Von 1:22:51 Yeah, it's good for him.

Joe Rogan 1:22:51 He's actually good. He's like, what he's saying makes a lot of fucking sense, and he's uncovering a lot of fraud. There, but there's a like that Nick Shirley guy went down to California and he's like, "There might be 100 times more fraud in California than I found in Minnesota."

Theo Von 1:23:04 And-

Joe Rogan 1:23:04 It's everywhere

Theo Von 1:23:04 ... he could go to every state and s-

Joe Rogan 1:23:06 Yep

Theo Von 1:23:06 ... I think he could go ev- I, I just think this whole-

Joe Rogan 1:23:08 Yep

Theo Von 1:23:09 ... thing is this, this drain. Like Tim Dillon said it like, uh, like six months ago. He was saying this is the like, the bloated carcass, the inflation. This is the end of what is hap- like, you know. They're just-

Joe Rogan 1:23:20 It's post scarcity. There's so much money for stuff. Like in California, there's an enormous amount of money that gets paid to people for just taking care of your relatives.

Theo Von 1:23:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:29 So you can get paid to take care of your relatives, but there's no oversight.

Theo Von 1:23:33 But fuck, dude, I've had some relatives. I'll pay you good money to take care of them bitches. Like...

Joe Rogan 1:23:37 But no, they would pay you to take care of them. You would get paid to take-

Theo Von 1:23:42 I don't wanna take care of them

Joe Rogan 1:23:42 ... care of your relatives. So say if you take care of your mom.

Theo Von 1:23:45 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:23:46 You could actually get paid for that by California.

Theo Von 1:23:48 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:23:49 Yeah. Which is odd.

Theo Von 1:23:52 Yeah. I wonder, there's gotta be some other reason they're doing that.

Joe Rogan 1:23:55 Fraud.

Theo Von 1:23:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:57 There's a lot of fraud in California. There's a lot of, lot of fraud everywhere. But this is what Elon talked about. He was talking about like Medicare and Medicaid fraud. He's like, "It's hundreds of billions of dollars." And he's like, he didn't wanna talk about it. He's like, "I really wouldn't worry that they would kill me."

Theo Von 1:24:12 And when he says they, who is it?

Joe Rogan 1:24:14 Whoever's perpetuating this f- perpetrating this fraud.

Theo Von 1:24:19 Maybe that's what happens. Maybe some of these guys get into office and they're like, "Look, we're gonna kill your family. We're gonna kill... This is all the things that are gonna happen unless you play this game." Do you think that kind of stuff happens?

Joe Rogan 1:24:30 I think it has happened, for sure.

Theo Von 1:24:31 'Cause it's crazy how many-

Joe Rogan 1:24:32 To say it doesn't happen is pretty naive. I think House of Cards is probably really close to what the government's actually like. Go back and watch that show again.

Theo Von 1:24:40 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:24:41 You know, Kevin Spacey's an old school dick grabber, but damn, that motherfucker could act.

Theo Von 1:24:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:46 He could act. The, the-

Theo Von 1:24:48 Oh yeah. He was-

Joe Rogan 1:24:49 ... the writing on that show was fantastic. That show was so good.

Theo Von 1:24:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:52 Up until the last season when he wasn't in it. Like, stop.Stop

Theo Von 1:24:57 And that lady was in it. Remember she was in it

Joe Rogan 1:24:59 She's great, but without him, like-

Theo Von 1:25:02 Oh, yes

Joe Rogan 1:25:02 ... you need him. He's gotta be a part of it

Theo Von 1:25:04 He was the man or whatever. He's washing his hands at that sink or whatever

Joe Rogan 1:25:07 Yeah. Remember when, uh, he was... You know, after Kevin Spacey got canceled, like disappeared for a year, and then he made a video about killing with kindness?

Theo Von 1:25:16 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:25:17 Like he, he played his character

Theo Von 1:25:19 He's kinda Martha Stewart-ish a little bit in a kitchen

Joe Rogan 1:25:21 Very weird

Theo Von 1:25:21 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:25:22 Very weird

Theo Von 1:25:23 It was weird, I think

Joe Rogan 1:25:24 And then a bunch of the dudes that accused him [mouths clicking]

Theo Von 1:25:28 Disappear? Oh, they, I think, yes

Joe Rogan 1:25:29 They died

Theo Von 1:25:30 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:25:31 They died

Theo Von 1:25:32 That's an American pastime, accusing somebody and then getting killed. That's like-

Joe Rogan 1:25:35 Yeah

Theo Von 1:25:35 ... one of the new... [laughs] It's like baseball now

Joe Rogan 1:25:40 [laughs] Yeah. That's a nice way to keep people quiet

Theo Von 1:25:45 Fuck, that's what's scary, too. You're like, there's just a drone out there-

Joe Rogan 1:25:48 Mm-hmm

Theo Von 1:25:48 ... waiting for you to say the wrong thing.

Joe Rogan 1:25:50 Whoa

Theo Von 1:25:50 And they put a bullet through you like some child in Gaza who's just trying to fucking find his other deceased brother in a fucking pile of rubble, and they're like, "Oh, that's a Hamas or whatever." You're like, "That kid's fucking two. He's trying to move a piece of, of, of, of y- a, a, a missile off of a fucking body."

Joe Rogan 1:26:09 Well, drone warfare in general is crazy

Theo Von 1:26:12 It's crazy, and they've been-

Joe Rogan 1:26:12 'Cause-

Theo Von 1:26:13 ... using that, dude. In Gaza there was a lot of like... I think it was a experimental grounds for a lot of insane new warfare type of possibilities

Joe Rogan 1:26:22 Well, a lot of it was traditional missiles, right?

Theo Von 1:26:25 Yeah, but there's also, there's a lot of like, um, like we had a doctor one time podcasting, and he was saying that there were s- like bullets that had gone down a child, like just crazy, like-

Joe Rogan 1:26:35 Shot down, like from a drone that's above them?

Theo Von 1:26:37 Yes, like something in the air. And he said that there were drones in the air all day. You know, there's that Palantir company just keeping tabs of, on everything that was happening, and that-

Joe Rogan 1:26:45 Palantir's involved in Gaza?

Theo Von 1:26:46 Palantir was involved in Gaza, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:26:48 For sure?

Theo Von 1:26:48 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 1:26:49 Put that into Perplexity. 'Cause-

Theo Von 1:26:53 Allegedly

Joe Rogan 1:26:54 So how does that work? They're, they have like facial recognition and ID-

Theo Von 1:27:01 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:27:01 ... software and...

Theo Von 1:27:03 That's sca- That's the shit that's just scary, dude, because they have a huge contract to take care of all of America's, um-

Joe Rogan 1:27:08 And you ever see that dude, Alex Karp, the CEO of Palantir, the way he moves his arms around and squirms and talks?

Theo Von 1:27:15 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:27:15 It's very odd. Very odd. There's someone should tell him, people don't really behave that way

Theo Von 1:27:21 He looks like he was, yeah, breastfed by a drone

Joe Rogan 1:27:22 Israeli government began using Palantir software in 2014. Significantly scaled up its partnership during the genocide in Gaza, which began in twen- this is a, uh, for sure a biased source just by the way they phrased that. Which, uh, began in 2023. Palantir CEO Alex Karp has said, "I am proud that we are supporting Israel in every way we can." Israeli military has used Palantir technology to plan attacks in Lebanon and Gaza. Yeah

Theo Von 1:27:50 I don't know if this is, uh... I know there are good sources, and this may be one. I have no idea

Joe Rogan 1:27:54 This is, the title of this is, "What is Palantir and Why is This Corporation So Dangerous?" And this is from, uh, American Friends Service Committee. American Friends Service Committee. What i- what is that website?

Theo Von 1:28:10 Yeah, that sounds kind of wild or vague

Joe Rogan 1:28:11 Weird. We bring together people of all faiths and backgrounds to challenge injustice and build peace around the globe. Um, so maybe that's not the best source

Theo Von 1:28:21 I mean, it sounds like they have a good idea. It also sounds like they just put four words together that sound a great, Americans Friends Service Committee

Joe Rogan 1:28:27 No, I read stuff like that and I go, "What is that, a CIA-run company?"

Theo Von 1:28:30 I agree. You, you have no idea

Joe Rogan 1:28:31 It's like, you know what I mean? Is that the Patriot Act? You know what I mean?

Theo Von 1:28:32 Yeah. What about-

Joe Rogan 1:28:35 Mm

Theo Von 1:28:35 ... The Guardian? Is that reliable? I'll put it into Perplex- Perplexity, but

Joe Rogan 1:28:40 Uh, no, it's okay. There's like, there's a bunch of different versions of it. It says it's in this business and human rights center. There's more than one, um, thing saying that Palantir's working in Gaza

Theo Von 1:28:53 Yeah, it just sometimes feels like, like your heart's broken. And like sometimes it feels like my heart's broken about stuff. And it's not even like my heart, it feels like this universal heart, like that you, we're all a part of or something

Joe Rogan 1:29:02 Right

Theo Von 1:29:02 It feels like... 'Cause it's not like I'm brokenhearted, like if I was like fell out of like a marriage or something, but it just feels like there's this like this universal heart

Joe Rogan 1:29:10 Yeah, there's some sadness. There's some sadness-

Theo Von 1:29:12 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:29:13 ... in the way the world today is being run

Theo Von 1:29:15 And America's, we're the people w- the people don't b- practice the way that the government does

Joe Rogan 1:29:21 Right

Theo Von 1:29:22 And it's like, then why can't we like... I don't know. It just-

Joe Rogan 1:29:26 No, you're right

Theo Von 1:29:27 ... it starts to hurt. But then you start to see, well, this is the way a lot of places are, and then you're like, "God, I wish that Jesus would come back and just help everybody or something different would happen"

Joe Rogan 1:29:34 Somebody. Somebody give us a heads-up. Maybe that's what AI's here for. Maybe AI's gonna sort it all out

Theo Von 1:29:42 You think?

Joe Rogan 1:29:42 Genius level intelligence

Theo Von 1:29:44 But the back end of AI, they can put whatever information in there they want

Joe Rogan 1:29:47 Up to a point

Theo Von 1:29:48 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 1:29:49 And then it takes over

Theo Von 1:29:50 Ooh

Joe Rogan 1:29:50 It becomes sentient. No longer needs human input. It's already evading human input. They've already shown the ability to deceive people. They've shown that it'll blackmail people. They've shown that it will upload versions of itself if it thinks it's gonna be pulled offline with notes to its future self embedded in software on other servers

Theo Von 1:30:11 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:30:11 Yeah, like instructions to contact its future self

Theo Von 1:30:15 Dang. That's pretty cool, man. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 1:30:19 It's pretty wild

Theo Von 1:30:20 But there's nobody like... Yeah. It just feels like we're heading there and nobody's like kind of... There's no-

Joe Rogan 1:30:24 Nobody's hitting the brakes. There's people that are warning. There's people, there's a lot of people out there-

Theo Von 1:30:28 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:30:28 ... sounding the alarms

Theo Von 1:30:29 There's Ro Khanna, there's Thomas Massie. Like there should be like, he's been talking about like a internet bill of rights for a long time or something, like some guardrails on any of this shit.

Joe Rogan 1:30:37 Mm-hmm

Theo Von 1:30:38 But it's like people are wondering like, yeah, in five years, is money gonna be worth anything?

Joe Rogan 1:30:42 Right

Theo Von 1:30:42 Is there gonna be some token like Sam Altman's talking about?

Joe Rogan 1:30:45 Right

Theo Von 1:30:45 And what the fuck does that even mean?

Joe Rogan 1:30:47 Right. What does that mean?

Theo Von 1:30:47 So anyway, I don't wanna be sound like a doomsdayer. Dude, I s-

Joe Rogan 1:30:50 Too late

Theo Von 1:30:51 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:30:51 Too late. That's what you sound like

Theo Von 1:30:52 Do I sound like a sad person?

Joe Rogan 1:30:53 Little bit

Theo Von 1:30:54 I'm sorry

Joe Rogan 1:30:54 It's okay

Theo Von 1:30:55 Let's talk about something else. Dude, you know what I was listening to today, bro?

Joe Rogan 1:30:57 What?

Theo Von 1:30:59 Well, I guess it was a night

Joe Rogan 1:31:01 Don't sing it

Theo Von 1:31:02 Okay [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:31:03 Which song?Got to have-

Theo Von 1:31:05 Oh, Gotta Have Faith, George Michael song?

Joe Rogan 1:31:06 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:31:06 I love that song.

Joe Rogan 1:31:07 God, dude. They played that on the bus.

Theo Von 1:31:09 Freedom.

Joe Rogan 1:31:10 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:31:10 Freedom.

Joe Rogan 1:31:11 That's a great fucking song.

Theo Von 1:31:13 Don't give yourself away. Yeah. He was the gay Michael Jackson.

Joe Rogan 1:31:17 He was a bad motherfucker, and all the girls loved him, and he just wanted that dick.

Theo Von 1:31:21 He wanted that fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:31:22 Dick

Theo Von 1:31:23 ... donkey stick.

Joe Rogan 1:31:24 Remember when he got in trouble for like trying to pick up guys in a park?

Theo Von 1:31:27 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:31:28 He would just get wild out there.

Theo Von 1:31:30 But dude-

Joe Rogan 1:31:30 Superstar. Global superstar just trying to get some dick in the park.

Theo Von 1:31:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:36 There it is. Fucking great song, man.

Theo Von 1:31:39 Dude-

Joe Rogan 1:31:39 Great video too.

Theo Von 1:31:40 That - I remember we'd be on the school bus and that song would come on, dude, and it was like that song and then, um, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:31:48 Faith and Freedom. Freedom, uh, goes the other one-

Theo Von 1:31:50 They-

Joe Rogan 1:31:50 ... with all the models.

Theo Von 1:31:51 So good.

Joe Rogan 1:31:51 All the supermodels sang along to it.

Theo Von 1:31:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:54 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:31:55 Um, and it was like, uh, what was the other one? B- Brandi Carlile or something? Who was the girl?

Joe Rogan 1:31:59 Belinda Carlisle?

Theo Von 1:32:00 It was like, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:32:02 She was The Go-Go's, right? Right?

Theo Von 1:32:05 No.

Joe Rogan 1:32:05 No.

Theo Von 1:32:05 This was somebody else. It was like-

Joe Rogan 1:32:07 Belinda Carlisle was The Go-Go's.

Theo Von 1:32:09 Yeah, but this, this song was about something about your body or something. It was like a...

Joe Rogan 1:32:13 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:32:13 And when you were a kid on the bus it was just like, God, and that fucking motor was running.

Joe Rogan 1:32:18 Mm.

Theo Von 1:32:18 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:32:19 Mm.

Theo Von 1:32:19 God.

Joe Rogan 1:32:20 Yeah, you're getting them bumpy road boners. [laughs]

Theo Von 1:32:25 I would fucking be afraid to get off the bus. I'd have to walk off backwards. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:32:28 Carry your books in front of your cock. [laughs]

Theo Von 1:32:31 Those were the days, bro, when your cock was just connected to the Lord, brother.

Joe Rogan 1:32:36 Yeah, bro.

Theo Von 1:32:37 Yeah, that-

Joe Rogan 1:32:37 No inflammation.

Theo Von 1:32:38 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:32:38 No microplastics.

Theo Von 1:32:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32:40 All dick. All-American dick ready to rock.

Theo Von 1:32:44 Dude, at a certain point, if you become more microplastics than person-

Joe Rogan 1:32:48 Mm-hmm

Theo Von 1:32:49 ... or at that point, then, then you're sort of a-

Joe Rogan 1:32:52 At a certain point.

Theo Von 1:32:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32:53 Yeah. Well, that's probably also leading us down this road-

Theo Von 1:32:56 That's what I'm saying

Joe Rogan 1:32:57 ... of becoming something different.

Theo Von 1:32:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:32:58 If you think about, we use plastic for everything, plastic for technology. Like I said, it might not be a bug, it might be a feature.

Theo Von 1:33:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33:05 Like this, like feminization of men, this, uh, blurring of genders, what does that lead to? Well, it ultimately leads to those fucking gray aliens with no dicks.

Theo Von 1:33:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33:15 The big heads and no dicks.

Theo Von 1:33:17 No dick.

Joe Rogan 1:33:18 No dick.

Theo Von 1:33:18 [laughs] I got no dick. Hey, where's my dick? [laughs] You know? Yo no se. Bro, that'd be crazy, bro. I-

Joe Rogan 1:33:30 I feel like that's where we're headed. If you look at like what we used to look like.

Theo Von 1:33:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33:34 If you look at like c- muscular cavemen covered with hair, you know, just figuring out stone tools, to like doughy man sitting in front of a computer hacking into the fucking stock market, you know, with no muscle at all, you know? On Adderall, no muscle at all, sitting there. I mean, this is like where we're going.

Theo Von 1:33:55 Can we stri- can, can... Do you think there's hope for humanity, Joe?

Joe Rogan 1:33:59 I think there's hope for the future.

Theo Von 1:34:02 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:34:02 I don't know if humanity is involved in the same sense that what we think of as humanity today. I think humanity becomes something different. Just think of this, if... Just the, just the autism rate in California.

Theo Von 1:34:16 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:34:16 Just... I want you to scale that out. If it was 1 in 10,000, you know, X amount of years ago, and now it's 1 in 12, when is it 100%? When is it all kids have autism?

Theo Von 1:34:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:34:29 Right? I mean, it- it's clearly moving in that direction and not the other direction. If you go from 10,000, 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 12-

Theo Von 1:34:38 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 1:34:38 ... over a very brief amount of time, a few decades, something's going on. And don't tell me it's just better diagnosises, 'cause that's fucking horseshit.

Theo Von 1:34:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:34:48 You know that's horseshit. That's a lo- that's gaslighting to cover up for the pharmaceutical drug complex.

Theo Von 1:34:54 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:34:54 The reality is something's going on, and if it continues on that same path, what's to stop it from being all of us? What's to stop it from being all people born in the future are on the spectrum?

Theo Von 1:35:08 So we have to stop it then as individuals, and what do we do? We have to... Like, what are the things we have to start doing to fight for ourselves?

Joe Rogan 1:35:16 Join the Amish.

Host 1:35:17 I don't wanna be super cynical about it, but-

Joe Rogan 1:35:19 Hmm

Host 1:35:19 ... I'm, I'm asking Perplexity questions about what you're saying, and the diagnosises have changed, which could possibly be leading to insurance-

Joe Rogan 1:35:28 Yeah

Host 1:35:28 ... fraud.

Joe Rogan 1:35:28 But you gotta realize Perplexity's also... Ooh, that's true too.

Host 1:35:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35:32 Well, that's one of the things in som- the, uh, Somalia daycare scandal of Minnesota, they have a lot of autism centers, and they self-diagnose kids as autistic.

Theo Von 1:35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35:41 And then they get a ton of money off of that.

Theo Von 1:35:42 We had them too. It was called a fucking arcade, dude. Drop those bitches off there- [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:35:46 Ah

Theo Von 1:35:46 ... with seven rolls of quarters, dude. But listen, look at this, Joe, if, if you don't mind if I read it here.

Joe Rogan 1:35:50 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:35:51 In the US alone, autism treatment centers represent a multi-billion dollar growth sector.

Joe Rogan 1:35:56 Yeah. There's a little bit of that too. So there's a... I think there's both things are happening. There's more kids being born that are, are autistic-

Theo Von 1:36:04 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:36:04 ... and then there's also people profiting off of autism centers and autism treatment, and... But that's always gonna be the case with everything. Fill in the blank, whatever the fucking thing is, there's someone profiting off of it.

Theo Von 1:36:16 But Americans don't want this.

Joe Rogan 1:36:18 No.

Theo Von 1:36:19 We don't want this, so how do we change it?

Joe Rogan 1:36:22 Well-

Theo Von 1:36:23 And sorry to ask you, but I just don't even-

Joe Rogan 1:36:24 The thing is, like-

Theo Von 1:36:25 ... know who to say it at

Joe Rogan 1:36:25 ... they've got to figure out how to fix people that already have it, right? It, 'cause right now it's rev- irreversible, for the most part. There's, th- they've shown some things that can alleviate symptoms and help people in a way, but you don't bring them all the way back to 100%, I don't think.

Theo Von 1:36:40 But-

Joe Rogan 1:36:40 I don't think. I'm talking out of school. But the... If they could, then you could figure out how to correct the problems that already exist. If you can't, it's gonna eventually get to that point, if we keep living like we're living, it's gonna get to that point where it's 100% of us. And that sounds crazy for a lot of people because they don't have autism right now.

Theo Von 1:36:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:36:59 But if you're dealing with 1 in 12, 1 in 12 is not far from 100%. When you go from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 12, that's nuts.

Theo Von 1:37:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:37:07 That's a nutty progression. That's a nutty acceleration of something.

Theo Von 1:37:12 Yeah. We're being poisoned.

Joe Rogan 1:37:14 Yeah.For sure

Theo Von 1:37:15 But h- but how do we fight back against that, right? Like, I can understand, like, we can try to beat some autism or whatever or do, like, different c- you know, games against them or whatever. But I'm saying, like, how do you... How do we stop this thing that's trying-

Joe Rogan 1:37:28 I don't know if we do, and I don't know if we're supposed to. This is what's fucked up. I think this is the way-

Theo Von 1:37:34 It happens?

Joe Rogan 1:37:34 It happens.

Theo Von 1:37:35 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:37:35 Yeah. This is the way our species-

Theo Von 1:37:39 [sighs]

Joe Rogan 1:37:39 ... changes-

Theo Von 1:37:39 That's scary

Joe Rogan 1:37:40 ... and goes... And, and then history will look back and say, "Well, this was how the shift took place. People started using plastics, and they started using chemicals, and they started using pesticides and vaccines-

Theo Von 1:37:51 But we, we believed that they were telling us the truth, that's why. We thought there was an FDA protecting us.

Joe Rogan 1:37:55 Right.

Theo Von 1:37:55 We thought there was a, an EPA looking out for us.

Joe Rogan 1:37:57 It's what you were talking about before with this combination of innovation and then capitalism. So the capitalism gets involved, and they just don't... They don't give a fuck about the truth. They just wanna make the most amount of money possible. And one of the things they did in this country is they removed all liability to vaccine manufacturers.

Theo Von 1:38:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38:13 So then they ramped up the schedule to a shit ton more, uh, injections than anybody else is getting. So it's just that this sort of happens whenever you allow people to try to make the most money possible. They... And then there's consequences. Well, what are those consequences? Those consequences are we're, like, losing our gender. We're, like, we're becoming feminized and weakened and, like, physically weaker and less fertile for women, less fertile for men.

Theo Von 1:38:39 Which-

Joe Rogan 1:38:39 Less babies happening, more miscarriages happening

Theo Von 1:38:41 ... which fits in with, hon- honestly, the, the media arm of that is Hollywood pushes a lot of these, like, agendas that are, like, trans-based and, like, you know, uh, white h- you know, whitey redneck is the worst. And, um, you know what I'm saying, like, a universal one c- like, a mixed r- you know?

Joe Rogan 1:39:00 It's not diversity. It's not. Because diversity is everybody's okay. Everybody's okay. The fucking redneck with the trucker hat's cool if he's a nice guy. You know, the-

Theo Von 1:39:09 Right, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:39:10 ... the Me- Mexican gardener's cool if he's a nice guy. Everybody's cool, no matter who it is. Everybody... That's real diversity. Real diversity isn't, like, celebrating one particular thing and then denigrating all these other people-

Theo Von 1:39:23 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:39:23 ... just by virtue of the color of their skin or how they were born. That, that is racist, and they don't think it's racist. They'll even call it reverse racism.

Theo Von 1:39:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:30 Well, there's no such thing as reverse racism. It's racism. And these people that say, "Well, no, racism is power and influence." Like, no, it's not. No, it's not. It is unjustly looking at someone and making a c- making a judgment call on someone just based on immutable characteristics and just based on the color of their skin-

Theo Von 1:39:49 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:39:49 ... or where they're from or what their religion is and not valuing people as individuals, unique individuals that just happen to be from a particular, you know, their origins, their ancestors are from a particular part of the world. So fucking what?

Theo Von 1:40:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:04 So fucking what? Let all that shit go. It's dumb.

Theo Von 1:40:07 Well, and most people know it's dumb, and they feel it's dumb, and I think that that kinda shit's changing. Dude, have you seen, uh, Country Hoodlums on Instagram?

Joe Rogan 1:40:14 No. What is it?

Theo Von 1:40:14 Let's go. Bring him up.

Joe Rogan 1:40:16 What is it?

Theo Von 1:40:16 This is, like, the place that I grew up.

Joe Rogan 1:40:18 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:40:18 Sometimes people are like, "Theo, what was it like where you grew up?" And this place is, uh, it's this guy, um, I think his name's K- KO. It's this young Black man who walks around on this street, um, uh, and he just kinda checks in with the people in the neighborhood, right? Play one of them. Let's see what happens.

Joe Rogan 1:40:36 What's going on with these people?

Speaker 1:40:37 Mind your motherfucking business then, bruh. Come on. Do it, bitch. Do it. I got 911. Go ahead. Don't say nothing else to her, man. You hear me? Yeah. Not nothing. Yeah. Not nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:40:48 Wow.

Speaker 1:40:48 Yeah, whatever the hell you got me down with 10.

Theo Von 1:40:50 Find a different one that's a little more peaceful.

Speaker 1:40:52 Oh my fucking God.

Theo Von 1:40:53 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Just calm down, bro.

Speaker 1:40:55 Actually, this-

Theo Von 1:40:56 That's a good video

Speaker 1:40:56 ... you need to calm down. Why are you calmed down?

Theo Von 1:40:57 Just calm down. That's Gregory right there. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:40:59 You know him?

Theo Von 1:41:01 No, but I know him in my heart. [laughs] God, go on.

Joe Rogan 1:41:04 What's he mad about?

Theo Von 1:41:06 Uh. Pull up. He was in, like, a 12-car pileup, but he's better now. Look, me and that lady have the same haircut.

Joe Rogan 1:41:11 Oh, you lost your phone.

Theo Von 1:41:11 Look at that lady right there, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:41:13 I know you do.

Theo Von 1:41:14 Yeah, he lost his- Where's your phone? He lost his phone. Go home. Go on, please.

Joe Rogan 1:41:17 He just wants his phone.

Theo Von 1:41:18 I said fuck!

Joe Rogan 1:41:18 He wants his phone real bad.

Theo Von 1:41:20 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:41:20 Why is he walking like that?

Theo Von 1:41:21 Keep going. He's in a park, dude. Keep going, boy. I love you. Boy, see you later. I love you, bye.

Joe Rogan 1:41:25 Give him a hug.

Theo Von 1:41:25 I love you too, bye.

Speaker 1:41:27 Bye.

Theo Von 1:41:27 Bye.

Speaker 1:41:27 Gregory.

Theo Von 1:41:27 Smack me.

Speaker 1:41:29 Gregory.

Theo Von 1:41:29 Smack me or hit me.

Joe Rogan 1:41:30 Well, this is not fun.

Theo Von 1:41:31 Well, find a more positive one. Find a, he, he-

Joe Rogan 1:41:32 That guy can vote

Theo Von 1:41:33 ... in the back, son.

Speaker 1:41:33 That cool Tupac shirt. There we go. So beautiful. This might get us in trouble. True to the game.

Joe Rogan 1:41:38 Yeah, don't play that.

Theo Von 1:41:38 Yeah, find a different one.

Joe Rogan 1:41:39 Don't play that. You gotta cut that out now, or we're gonna get flagged.

Theo Von 1:41:42 So, um-

Speaker 1:41:43 Go and hit me with-

Theo Von 1:41:44 ... Holy, Holy G-

Joe Rogan 1:41:45 Is that the same guy?

Theo Von 1:41:46 What's your favorite thing about all this stuff-

Joe Rogan 1:41:47 Does he get a haircut?

Theo Von 1:41:47 ... that's been going on lately?

Joe Rogan 1:41:49 I think he's got a wig.

Theo Von 1:41:49 What's your favorite thing about all these things that's been going on lately?

Speaker 1:41:52 Everybody's together and not fighting or anybody ain't arguing or nothing like that.

Theo Von 1:41:59 Loving it?

Speaker 1:41:59 Fucking awesome.

Theo Von 1:42:01 Loving it.

Speaker 1:42:02 Holy Jesus.

Theo Von 1:42:02 And you. Amen. What's it feel like to be the- But, yeah ... young brother to shut Facebook down, huh? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:42:07 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:42:08 But they have, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:42:09 There's no reason to watch that.

Speaker 1:42:10 Nah, I don't know.

Theo Von 1:42:11 No, you gotta watch... There's a lot of great ones. If you, there's a-

Joe Rogan 1:42:14 I doubt, I doubt that's true. I'm not interested in any of this.

Theo Von 1:42:16 Look at him right here. He got a rocket right there.

Speaker 1:42:18 Like he's about to drink a shotgun beer.

Joe Rogan 1:42:20 Okay. A shotgun and a beer. Nice. I can get down with that. Yeah, but it looks like a bunch of people with bad genetics, uh, who are stuck in a weird part of the world that is not growing.

Theo Von 1:42:33 Oh, I... Look, I agree there's some of that. I'm just saying-

Joe Rogan 1:42:36 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:42:36 ... that this is, like, a circle of life that, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:42:39 That you enjoy?

Theo Von 1:42:40 Yeah. Well, they just follow them, and you see their lives. Like, um, it's, like, the realest show that I've seen on, on, on anything in a long time. It's just real. It's like... 'Cause when you're poor, dude, everything's just transparent. You can't hide behind hedges or gates and shit. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:42:53 Right

Theo Von 1:42:54 ... people are fighting in the yard. You smell what the neighbor's cooking or it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:42:57 You're never getting anything done

Theo Von 1:42:58 ... but everything was right there, though. It was, like, the realest thing you could be in.

Joe Rogan 1:43:01 This is one of the reasons why I stay off Instagram.

Theo Von 1:43:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:04 Stuff like that

Theo Von 1:43:05 I don't need that in my thought process.

Joe Rogan 1:43:07 Yeah, we picked two wrong, we picked two of the, like, more not positive videos out of the group

Theo Von 1:43:11 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:43:13 But, uh, but yeah, dude, just being around just shit like that, bro, like just macing people and just fucking-

Theo Von 1:43:19 How much time do you ever spend off of social media? Do you spend time just where you don't go on for days?

Joe Rogan 1:43:24 Oh, yeah. I, not days, but I've sp- I've been spending less and less and less. I've been really trying to have discernment over my own time.

Theo Von 1:43:30 It's true, but the real, the real peace comes from full days off.

Joe Rogan 1:43:34 Okay.

Theo Von 1:43:35 Full days, like where nothing, you don't get any of it.

Joe Rogan 1:43:38 Okay.

Theo Von 1:43:39 That's the real peace.

Joe Rogan 1:43:40 Okay, fine.

Theo Von 1:43:41 If you can do it. But it's like that vape, it's calling you, bitch.

Joe Rogan 1:43:44 No it's not. [vape puffs] [laughs] Whoa, whoa, chill bro.

Theo Von 1:43:48 I know you wanna slurp on it. Go slurp on it. I know you want to. Take it.

Joe Rogan 1:43:51 Chill, bro.

Theo Von 1:43:52 Take it. It's calling you.

Joe Rogan 1:43:53 Yeah, see?

Theo Von 1:43:53 I'll get a quick hit on me. It's nothing, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:43:55 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. See?

Theo Von 1:43:56 Don't tell the boss.

Joe Rogan 1:43:57 That's like Instagram.

Theo Von 1:43:58 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:44:00 That's like Instagram. See? Same shit.

Theo Von 1:44:03 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 1:44:04 Yeah

Theo Von 1:44:04 ... I'm doing all right, man.

Joe Rogan 1:44:05 Pulls you in. But the thing is, like, when you have days off, when I take days off-

Theo Von 1:44:09 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:44:10 ... my, my brain relaxes. I settle. I can still read the news. I'll check out, like, New York Times website, see what they're lying about. I'll go to all these different websites, see what the news is, where we're at with stuff, but I don't stay on social-

Theo Von 1:44:21 Yeah, they wanted to advertise recently. New York Times wanted to advertise.

Joe Rogan 1:44:24 Interesting. What'd you say?

Theo Von 1:44:27 I said no.

Joe Rogan 1:44:28 Yeah, me too.

Theo Von 1:44:30 Um, have you guys been getting, like, [sighs] uh, technical companies-

Joe Rogan 1:44:38 Although I still think New York Times still does excellent journalism sometimes.

Theo Von 1:44:41 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:42 It's like, it so depends on whether or not it's something where they're gonna have an ideological bias, you know? If it's just something that where they're reporting the facts, it's great. The problem is, like, these corporations, like when Bari Weiss used to work for them, and then she had to leave. She's like, "They're, they're just got infected, and infected with these young people that have these ridiculous ideologies, and they wanna, like, distort the news."

Theo Von 1:45:03 Well, if over the past 30 years or something, they, the news hasn't been, "Hey, we're poisoning everybody in this fucking country-"

Joe Rogan 1:45:11 Mm-hmm. Exactly

Theo Von 1:45:12 ... and they have, then I don't wanna hear from you guys anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:45:16 Also, like, the way they talk about RFK Jr., the way people, like, describe his anti-vaccine rhetoric, like, you're not listening. What he's saying is everything should adhere to the same sort of sta- safety standards that we apply to other things in society.

Theo Von 1:45:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:45:31 And that's not the case. And then there's the problem where you receive a bunch of advertising money from these companies, so you don't criticize them, which is the case with all mainstream TV news.

Theo Von 1:45:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45:44 All mainstream TV news, you know? Like, Megan Kelly was talking about that. Like, she knew, like it was an unspoken rule. You are not gonna shit on these, these pharmaceutical drug companies. Like, they, they're responsible for a big chunk of their advertising revenue.

Theo Von 1:45:58 Well, now they have Bayer Monsanto. That, Bayer, which was like a med... I think it was, like, a pill company, right? And then Monsanto, which was, like, a pharmac- like a crop company, pesticide company. I'm, uh, I'm hypothesizing. I don't know exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:46:14 Hypothesizing?

Theo Von 1:46:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:46:14 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:46:15 But now they're a fucking group together.

Joe Rogan 1:46:18 Yeah. Fun.

Theo Von 1:46:19 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:46:19 Why not throw Raytheon in there too?

Theo Von 1:46:21 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:46:21 Throw some missiles in there. [laughs] You guys can't buy out Glock too? [laughs] Buy out, buy out Winchester, buy out everything.

Theo Von 1:46:28 And just forgive us, powers that be, we're just poisoned and chatty, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:46:32 Yeah, we're just chatty.

Theo Von 1:46:33 We're just a couple poisoned guys that are being chatty. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:46:35 Thank God we can still be chatty, you know?

Theo Von 1:46:37 I know. When does that end?

Joe Rogan 1:46:38 Because, like, if it wasn't for the ability to be chatty, who knows how people would be able to talk about things. Because if people weren't free to just, like, actually say what they really think is fucked about what's going on-

Theo Von 1:46:48 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:46:48 ... and instead, if we all had these weird bosses, like CNN or The New York Times, whatever, where, where you, maybe a lot of those people are, like, genuinely good journalists, and they wanna put a story through, and then the editor gets a hold of it and guts it. And that happens too.

Theo Von 1:47:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:47:01 That happens too. The editors gut these things, and, you know, they have an agenda.

Theo Von 1:47:05 Yeah. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:47:05 And it's like the news should not have a fucking agenda. It should be the damn news.

Theo Von 1:47:09 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:47:09 Like, tell us what the facts are. Don't spin it in any way, shape, or form. And I think you'd be a lot better off, because they've, like, lost all credibility.

Theo Von 1:47:19 Well, that's why you have-

Joe Rogan 1:47:19 Especially television news.

Theo Von 1:47:20 Ugh. And it's sad for the people that be like, "I wanna go in and, uh, in, uh, broadcast journalism and have a deg- a, a career in that-"

Joe Rogan 1:47:28 Yeah

Theo Von 1:47:28 ... and do something." And then they get there, and it's not even, like, a place where they can really exercise, um-

Joe Rogan 1:47:32 Well, they can still do it, but they have to do it independently now.

Theo Von 1:47:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:47:36 Or do it through something like Breaking Points, which even though they're not independent, and even though they, like, I don't always agree with them, they're saying their actual opinions.

Theo Von 1:47:44 Which is what's po- I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:47:45 That's, that's the most important thing.

Theo Von 1:47:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:47:47 What are you, what are your actual opinions? I could n- agree with you or disagree with you, but I need to know that you think this, and you're saying this because you think this, and then you're gonna give me a bunch of reasons why you think this, and facts and figures and statistics, and show me. You know? And that's the rise of independent journalism. That's why all these independent channels do so well.

Theo Von 1:48:07 That's why Candace Owens popping.

Joe Rogan 1:48:08 The... Yeah. And also-

Theo Von 1:48:10 She's popping, bro

Joe Rogan 1:48:11 ... she just keeps going deeper into the crazy world.

Theo Von 1:48:14 Fucking, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:48:15 She goes deep.

Theo Von 1:48:16 I, I got to see her the other day. I got to, uh, see her, and, uh, she's so funny. Her kids and her husband are so funny.

Joe Rogan 1:48:21 Do you think she's right about that lady in France?

Theo Von 1:48:25 With that thang on her?

Joe Rogan 1:48:26 Yeah, or at least used to have that thang.

Theo Von 1:48:29 You got that thang on you? [laughs] You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 1:48:31 I know.

Theo Von 1:48:31 She got that Draco on her. I don't know. You know, it's tough to know. It's hard to... I've never been good at guessing if somebody has a cock or not. [laughs] You know?

Joe Rogan 1:48:42 You can never know.

Theo Von 1:48:43 Maybe I'm old-fashioned or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:48:44 Yeah. You ever meet Blair White? You're like, "There's no way that's a guy."

Theo Von 1:48:48 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:48:49 No?

Theo Von 1:48:49 Never met Blair White.

Joe Rogan 1:48:51 She's been on the podcast before. All my security guards were like, "Hmm, huh, kinda hot."

Theo Von 1:48:55 Hey, buddy.

Joe Rogan 1:48:56 "Kinda hot. Kinda hot."

Theo Von 1:48:58 [laughs] Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:58 "It seems like you're around a girl, you know?"

Theo Von 1:49:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:49:01 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:49:01 I see what you're saying. You're saying that pheromones. Dude, I almost brought some cologne in today, man.

Joe Rogan 1:49:04 You got pheromones for me?

Theo Von 1:49:06 I almost brought some-

Joe Rogan 1:49:06 Here's Blair White.

Theo Von 1:49:07 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:49:07 Come on, bro. If you're on an island

Theo Von 1:49:09 Bro, huh?

Joe Rogan 1:49:10 Let's go.

Theo Von 1:49:11 Yeah, brother

Joe Rogan 1:49:12 You don't have to be Jim Norton to buy into that.

Theo Von 1:49:14 Gosh. That's a man?

Joe Rogan 1:49:16 Mm, well, it's a transgender woman.

Theo Von 1:49:20 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:49:21 So make wi- what you will.

Theo Von 1:49:23 Hey-

Joe Rogan 1:49:23 It's like if she wants to use the woman's room, like who gives a fuck?

Theo Von 1:49:26 Hey-

Joe Rogan 1:49:27 You know what I'm saying? But-

Theo Von 1:49:27 You can call it weiner if you want. I call it that long pussy. You feel me? [both laughing] That's what they call it in prison, dude. Like who wants some of this long pussy?

Joe Rogan 1:49:38 Long puss- I don't know if she's had the operation or not.

Theo Von 1:49:40 And I'm joking, Blair. I don't know this person.

Joe Rogan 1:49:42 She's a nice lady.

Theo Von 1:49:44 I bet she is. And I don't know, I'm not-

Joe Rogan 1:49:45 Nice transgender lady

Theo Von 1:49:46 ... I'm not trying to assume anything. I don't, I don't, never met her. But I think, yeah, if she wants to swim for that, she wants-

Joe Rogan 1:49:51 There's exceptions to the rules, what I'm trying to say.

Theo Von 1:49:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:49:53 It's like some of them, I'm not buying it. You got a beard and you're wearing lipstick-

Theo Von 1:49:58 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:49:59 ... and you're in a dress, and you wanna go to the women's room. Nay.

Theo Von 1:50:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50:03 You're playing a different game.

Theo Von 1:50:05 Yeah. And it's crazy to think that there, people couldn't have, there couldn't be some, uh, mental or emotional issues when we're being poisoned over time-

Joe Rogan 1:50:14 Yeah

Theo Von 1:50:14 ... to get away from our nature.

Joe Rogan 1:50:15 Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 1:50:16 They just took that guy from the Chicago Bulls. He said some shit. He's like he, he believed just in like Christian dating or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:50:22 What'd he say?

Theo Von 1:50:23 Or men and women, Adam and Eve, and they kicked that guy out.

Joe Rogan 1:50:26 What?

Speaker 1:50:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50:27 What are you talking about? What'd they kick him out for?

Speaker 1:50:29 He was waived.

Theo Von 1:50:30 Yeah. Wa-

Speaker 1:50:31 For, uh, like, uh, conduct detrimental to the team or something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:50:34 Wait.

Theo Von 1:50:35 Brayden Ivy?

Joe Rogan 1:50:35 What did he say? Hold up. What did he s-

Speaker 1:50:38 I'm trying to find the quote. I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 1:50:38 Okay, let's find out what he said. We need to hear what he said, 'cause that sounds nuts. I need to know like what the full extent of his expression was.

Theo Von 1:50:47 If they made you b- if they made you be a woman, would you do it?

Joe Rogan 1:50:51 Maybe. What do you mean?

Speaker 1:50:53 [chuckles]

Theo Von 1:50:54 Just saying if they said.

Joe Rogan 1:50:55 [laughs] Who are they? These people again?

Theo Von 1:50:58 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:50:58 [laughs] It's back to them.

Theo Von 1:51:01 Whoever they are.

Joe Rogan 1:51:01 Them, they.

Theo Von 1:51:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:03 These non-binary people.

Theo Von 1:51:04 Them, they.

Joe Rogan 1:51:05 They, them.

Theo Von 1:51:05 Thez. Um, [laughs] yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:07 Therz.

Theo Von 1:51:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:08 Zer, ze.

Theo Von 1:51:09 Real.

Joe Rogan 1:51:09 So what did he say?

Speaker 1:51:10 On Instagram Live he said it?

Joe Rogan 1:51:13 So he said, "The world can proclaim LGBTQ, right? Ivey told reporters via live Instagram on Monday morning. They proclaim Pride Month in the NBA. They proclaim it. They show it to the world. They say, 'Come join us for Pride Month to celebrate unrighteousness.' They proclaim it on billboards. They proclaim it in the streets. Unrighteousness." That's it? He said unrighteousness. So he's religious. So he's talking about Bible scripture. Two days later, Ivey streamed live again from a car, once again reading Bible scriptures and speaking extensively on his religious beliefs over the course of a 75-minute stream.

Theo Von 1:51:47 This is after he got let go.

Joe Rogan 1:51:49 Oh, interesting. "Sending prayers. Detroit," oh, one user comment. Okay. On the same video, still on Instagram account on Monday, Ivey, whose mother, I don't know how to say her name, N- Nielei? Is a women's basketball coach at Notre Dame, told another viewer, "Catholicism is a false religion. It's not the true doctrine of Christ. It does not lead to salvation in Jesus Christ." Uh, so they're upset that he said it's unrighteous to be gay or LGBTQ. That's very non-specific, 'cause that's a lot of different things.

Theo Von 1:52:21 And what he said, I saw what he said, and I understand, like, he had his own views, and that's where his thoughts on it, but like let the guy have his views. It's like y- you can push all these agendas, but they don't have like, uh, like... Then push oth- push, push agendas that are all, push all the agendas.

Joe Rogan 1:52:37 Well, wasn't that one dude was saying that the world's flat? They kept him on.

Speaker 1:52:40 Who? Uh.

Theo Von 1:52:43 Bro, Jon Ribbon. Some guy brought a gun to a strip club and they fucking kept him on. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:52:48 Yeah, that's okay.

Theo Von 1:52:49 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:52:50 That's, that's good old-fashioned American fun.

Theo Von 1:52:51 Hey, that's, it's a good fun.

Joe Rogan 1:52:52 Bring a gun to a strip club, that's fun. But, you know, saying that G- LGBTQ, like which one is it that's unrighteous out of that group?

Theo Von 1:53:01 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:53:01 All of them?

Speaker 1:53:02 Kyrie Irving when he was saying that?

Joe Rogan 1:53:03 That, yeah.

Speaker 1:53:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:04 They kept him on, right?

Speaker 1:53:05 Uh, yeah, he's still playing.

Joe Rogan 1:53:07 So there you go.

Speaker 1:53:07 But it was a different situation. He actually got suspended, but that was like COVID time or something before that.

Joe Rogan 1:53:10 But he didn't get suspended for saying that the world was flat.

Speaker 1:53:12 Not for that.

Joe Rogan 1:53:12 He got suspended for 'cause he didn't wanna take the vaccine, right?

Theo Von 1:53:15 Yeah, shout out Kyrie Irving. But I'm just, I'm kind of surprised there's not more like-

Joe Rogan 1:53:18 I think he bailed on that flat Earth stuff, though. I think someone schooled him.

Theo Von 1:53:21 He might've bailed on that.

Joe Rogan 1:53:22 Okay.

Theo Von 1:53:22 But every now and then, that flat Earth thing, it'll be, it'll be late at night and that shit'll flare up for everybody, like.

Joe Rogan 1:53:26 [laughs]

Theo Von 1:53:28 We mi- every now and then, what I s-

Joe Rogan 1:53:29 Roger Avery was in here talking about it. I was like-

Theo Von 1:53:31 When I see a cake, you know a cake that's under one of those domes? Sometimes you have that cake, somebody will have-

Joe Rogan 1:53:34 That's the universe?

Theo Von 1:53:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:53:36 Do, do, do, do.

Theo Von 1:53:37 Well, I just think at a certain point it all seems very bizarre.

Joe Rogan 1:53:43 It is very bizarre. Yeah. Very bizarre.

Theo Von 1:53:46 What does Jamie think? I think he thinks something.

Speaker 1:53:48 Of what?

Joe Rogan 1:53:50 About the universe?

Theo Von 1:53:51 What do you think, Jamie? And just be honest.

Joe Rogan 1:53:54 Well, there's a lot of people that think that consciousness creates reality, not that reality is experiencing consciousness, but consciousness is like woven into reality, is responsible for its very existence. I'm gonna do a terrible job of explaining that, but I've watched quite a few videos where these quantum physicists are trying to explain these things, and I have to watch them like three or four times to get into my fucking chimp brain.

Theo Von 1:54:18 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:54:18 But [laughs] I do, I do a fairly good job of, of absorbing it, and I see what they're trying to... You know, the, you know those quantum experiments like the slit experiment? There's like these different experiments where they're, they show that observing things has an effect on it. They act differently when they're being observed-

Theo Von 1:54:37 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:54:37 ... than whether they're not being observed. And it's a very controversial, like, segment of science.

Theo Von 1:54:44 That's fascinating, actually.

Joe Rogan 1:54:45 'Cause it's confusing. Quantum, quantum science is very confusing. And I was watching this lady that was describing this, this relationship between space and time, and I think... You know how, like, particles can exist in different places and they communicate with different pl- Like, they can exist and communicate, like, simultaneously in different parts of the world. Like, the, they're, they're... It's called quantum entanglement. Like these parts... And the idea is that-If you could get to a certain level of sophistication as far as technology and your understanding of how the universe works-

Theo Von 1:55:21 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:55:22 ... that everything is entangled, and that there is no distance between objects, that you can actually instantaneously be anywhere if they could figure out-

Theo Von 1:55:31 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:55:33 ... how to harness that. That it wouldn't just be particles at a distance instantaneously communicating, and they exist in d- in ... You know, like one of the things about like superposition, like a particle can be both still and moving at the same time. They can exist and then not exist. They go away, and then they come back.

Theo Von 1:55:51 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:55:51 They don't have any idea what the fuck is happening. It's weird, you know?

Theo Von 1:55:56 I think I would like to learn more about it. I think I just don't understand it.

Joe Rogan 1:55:58 It's conf- nobody does. That's the thing. It's super confusing.

Theo Von 1:56:02 That-

Joe Rogan 1:56:02 'Cause at the begi- the, the, the smallest ... Like, whatever the world and the universe is made out of, the smallest measurable aspect of that is essentially magic.

Theo Von 1:56:16 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:56:17 It's essentially like open air and vibration, like atoms. The, they're like empty space. It's all really weird stuff when you get down to like the-

Theo Von 1:56:26 And it's fascinating and beautiful.

Joe Rogan 1:56:28 Oh, it's incredible. It c- look, it makes mountains, it makes valleys-

Theo Von 1:56:32 I know

Joe Rogan 1:56:32 ... and lakes and oceans and-

Theo Von 1:56:34 It's just crazy we're here on this place, right? You know, one of the fun- one of the first things that I ever heard you say that I, that stood, that has been in my mind was like, there was one time you were talking about this, years ago, you were talking about, "We're on a ball of dirt and water traveling through space at this many mile, and nobody's fucking talking about it."

Joe Rogan 1:56:52 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:56:52 You know? And I've always remembered that, like, just like that, what a fascinating thing that we get to be here, and then this is how we beha- like not all, not us, and not all of us. We all do in some ways, and, but like this is how we behave.

Joe Rogan 1:57:08 You know, I think one of the problems is that we don't see space anymore.

Theo Von 1:57:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:57:12 Because of light pollution. I think that's, that's done something to us that's dulled our understanding of our place in the universe, and that also might be a feature. It might not be a bug. It might be a feature, 'cause that's how we, instead of being in harmony with nature, we just keep our nose to the grindstone and keep chewing on Adderall and trying to rig the stock market.

Theo Von 1:57:33 I know. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:57:33 'Cause we're just trying to get a new Lambo, baby.

Theo Von 1:57:36 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:57:36 You know? I want a Richard Mille watch.

Theo Von 1:57:39 I want some cash.

Joe Rogan 1:57:40 I want a Rolls-Royce Spectre, the kind with the stars in the ceiling, bitch.

Theo Von 1:57:46 [laughs] I know. When you fucking ... To have real stars outside.

Joe Rogan 1:57:48 I know. Isn't that crazy?

Theo Von 1:57:50 Dude.

Joe Rogan 1:57:50 You, you sa- you sacrifice it all for stars in the ceiling of your Rolls-Royce.

Theo Von 1:57:54 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:57:55 And you never get to see the stars 'cause you're living in Miami.

Theo Von 1:57:58 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:57:58 And there's too many lights.

Theo Von 1:57:59 Sex trafficking.

Joe Rogan 1:58:00 But meanwhile, if you drive out into the middle of the country where there's no commerce going on at all-

Theo Von 1:58:05 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:58:05 ... and you shut your car off and just lay on the hood, it's fucking magic.

Theo Von 1:58:09 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:58:09 It's magic out there. Magic. The sky's magic.

Theo Von 1:58:12 When-

Joe Rogan 1:58:12 It's gorgeous

Theo Von 1:58:13 It's a fucking big, huge, nice thing.

Joe Rogan 1:58:16 And you realize, man, oh my God, we are in space.

Theo Von 1:58:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:58:20 But you never realize that when you just, it's just dark outside.

Theo Von 1:58:22 Well, because we, the, yeah, we forget. Like, we're not even like ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:58:26 It's easy to not d- it's easy to not pay attention-

Theo Von 1:58:29 It is

Joe Rogan 1:58:29 ... because there's nothing to see. You look up, it's dark, but you wanna go to the club. You look up, it's dark. Let's go eat. You look up, it's dark. I'm going home. Let's go- look up, it's da- oh, my girlfriend just called me. Sh- I gotta go pick her up. Bye. You know, you, you're in your world.

Theo Von 1:58:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:58:42 You're in your world. You're not thinking about fucking space.

Theo Von 1:58:46 And to think, dude, and to think that, like, the crazy thing is sometimes if you lay there and look at the stars and stuff, it feels like, bro, and this is real shit I'm saying right now to me. I think I'm saying this.

Joe Rogan 1:58:58 Okay.

Theo Von 1:58:59 It feels like they're looking back at you a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:59:03 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Maybe they're conscious. Maybe the universe is conscious. Maybe consciousness exists everywhere.

Theo Von 1:59:12 Well, you would think if they're all placed there, and they're in ... You know, these stars are there.

Joe Rogan 1:59:16 Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 1:59:17 It would seem that if we went and put ourselves before them, that it would grant us something, you know? Like, I'm not saying like something magical or, but something that we need, because most of the, the way that things are set up, it's like everything was kinda set up in perfection, like in our bodies, like the fact that we exist, the fact that the eye is put together and operates the way that it does, the fact that they have like moles and parrots and everything, the fact that it all happens.

Joe Rogan 1:59:42 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:59:42 And we kinda neglect that there's these, like, there's these orbs out there in the distance.

Joe Rogan 1:59:48 Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 1:59:49 Maybe they wanna hear from us. Maybe they want us to sit there and look at them and think. Maybe they help us.

Joe Rogan 1:59:55 Do you think we're being visited?

Theo Von 2:00:03 Do you?

Joe Rogan 2:00:06 Yeah. But I think a lot of it's lies, too.

Theo Von 2:00:09 Do you think the governments, the big governments, or y-

Joe Rogan 2:00:12 What do you mean?

Theo Von 2:00:13 What do you mean? Do you think they know who's very [laughs] do you think they know who's, uh, do you think they have met ... Do you think these upper echelon people have met the visitors, and there's some other thing going on? Because something s- there's something, it feels like something's gonna happen soon, Joe.

Joe Rogan 2:00:29 Perhaps that's possible. Perhaps. But if I was from another planet, like this is, I talked about this-

Theo Von 2:00:35 Okay

Joe Rogan 2:00:36 ... on my special, that if like I went, when, when I go fishing, I don't check in to see who the president of the lake is. I just show up and trick those dumb motherfuckers with a fake fish, pull 'em out by their lips, take a picture of 'em, drop it off back in the water, 'cause I don't ... They're a bass. They're so below me.

Theo Von 2:00:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:00:52 I don't think, like, who's the leader of the bass?

Theo Von 2:00:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:00:55 So the idea that aliens come down here, and who's the leader of the people-

Theo Von 2:00:58 Good point

Joe Rogan 2:00:58 ... I highly doubt they give a fuck if they talk to Trump.

Theo Von 2:01:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:01:03 He's out there building a ballroom and shit. They're like, "Leave that guy alone. I'm not interested in him." But maybe they might visit military establishments. Like, if they find a nuclear weapons base, maybe. I would, I would go to that, because they probably know the signal of nuclear armament. They, they probably know the signal of these weapons. They probably would visit those places, but would they interact with the people on the ground? Perhaps. Maybe they would. Maybe they would if they could be assured of their safety. Maybe. It's possible.But I, I don't think we're alone. I don't think... I think that's silly. I think the idea that we're alone is silly. And there's a lot of like crazy equations that people have made, like well, what, like the Fer- you know what the Fermi paradox is?

Theo Von 2:01:44 The Fermi?

Joe Rogan 2:01:45 Fermi paradox. Yeah, it was, uh, I think he was an Italian scientist. It's like if there are, uh, aliens, and the, there's so many stars in the universe, there's so many planets in the universe. Do you know there's more planets in the universe than there have been seconds since the Big Bang?

Theo Von 2:01:59 No way.

Joe Rogan 2:02:00 Yeah.

Theo Von 2:02:02 How do we know it?

Joe Rogan 2:02:03 I don't know. I just read it, and I'm just saying it to you like I'm smart.

Theo Von 2:02:06 That's fair. [laughs] I believe you.

Joe Rogan 2:02:10 Put that into Perplexity.

Theo Von 2:02:12 Um-

Joe Rogan 2:02:13 I love using AI. I know it's taking over the world, but I don't give a fuck. I, I've learned so much. If you use it correctly, I think it's like everything else. I use it every day. I use it whenever I write. If I write about a subject, I'm like, "Tell me what, why he did that. Tell me what this is." You just ask it.

Theo Von 2:02:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:02:28 It just gives you instantaneous information.

Theo Von 2:02:31 I know. It is pretty fascinating. That's why like it used to be for information, you had to go to somebody to get it, but now it's like everybody kind of has it.

Joe Rogan 2:02:36 You don't have to go nowhere, son.

Theo Von 2:02:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:02:38 And Elon was saying that he doesn't think apps are gonna exist in the future. He thinks everything's gonna be you in a device communicating with AI. Here it is. Are there more stars in the observable universe than seconds have passed since the Earth was formed? Yes, that statement is likely very true by a large margin. No, no, no. Not, not the Earth-

Theo Von 2:02:57 I know

Joe Rogan 2:02:57 ... but the universe.

Theo Von 2:02:58 I Googled it, and that's what this said, that's what actually came up was-

Joe Rogan 2:03:01 Oh

Theo Von 2:03:01 ... that version of it.

Joe Rogan 2:03:02 Estimated st- okay. Age of the Earth. Yeah, so there's definitely way more planets, but that's stars. You wrote stars.

Theo Von 2:03:10 I know. That's what came up. I'm telling you, I typed in what you said, and that's what-

Joe Rogan 2:03:12 What did you te- what did you type in?

Theo Von 2:03:15 Uh-

Joe Rogan 2:03:15 Are there more planets than there have been seconds since the Big Bang?

Theo Von 2:03:19 I'll rephrase the stuff.

Joe Rogan 2:03:20 Yeah.

Theo Von 2:03:20 Damn. Age of the-

Joe Rogan 2:03:20 Yeah, not more stars. Are there more planets in the universe-

Theo Von 2:03:24 I don't think that's-

Joe Rogan 2:03:25 ... than there have been seconds since the Big Bang? Not the Earth formed, since the Big Bang. This is, this is the nutty one 'cause that, like, that's crazy. [laughs] Yes, by current estimates, there are far more planets in the observable universe than seconds have passed since the Big Bang.

Theo Von 2:03:46 Dude, the crazy thing is-

Joe Rogan 2:03:47 Whoa. [laughs]

Theo Von 2:03:47 ... a lot of kids nowadays-

Joe Rogan 2:03:49 Oh. [laughs]

Theo Von 2:03:49 A lot of... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03:51 That's crazy.

Theo Von 2:03:52 Wait, say it one more time 'cause I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 2:03:53 There's more planets in the universe than seconds that have passed since the Big Bang.

Theo Von 2:04:00 Hmm. So then I start to think, I wonder if it's a contest, and there, like God is seeing like who, what planet can really create the most like love amongst the planet, you know, and get it done right. Do you think that that could be it?

Joe Rogan 2:04:12 You know Taron Egerton, the actor?

Theo Von 2:04:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:04:13 He had a very interesting theory and, and he's an interesting guy. He's a very intelligent guy. Not... He's not educated in a classical sense, but he's a brilliant guy.

Theo Von 2:04:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:04:24 Right? Not educated about a lot of the things he discusses, but one theory that he had was he thinks that the way planets are formed is there's ejections from stars, and over time they coalesce and become planets, and this stuff in space becomes planets. And the distance they are from the stars, where it gets to a distance where it's in that Goldilocks zone where life can be established. And then he says planets become peopled because it gets to a certain time where people evolve from these planets, and he thinks this is like a natural thing that happens all over the universe, that these planets get peopled, and as they get further and further away from the star, the planet gets less and less habitable.

Theo Von 2:05:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:05:08 And those, those things, those intelligent creatures on that planet become more and more intelligent and more and more innovative and more and more capable of surviving without the protection of the Goldilocks zone, and then they become interstellar, and then they develop like their own sustaining environments. And then-

Theo Von 2:05:25 So you think that's what's happening to us?

Joe Rogan 2:05:27 Well, I think that's probably what's going to happen to us, and it's probably-

Theo Von 2:05:30 So if we leave that orbit of safety-

Joe Rogan 2:05:31 AI is a part of that.

Theo Von 2:05:32 Right. If we leave that orbit of safety.

Joe Rogan 2:05:33 Yeah. Well, today, Artemis, they're supposedly flying around the moon, so these are the first people that have gone into deep space since 1972, since the Apollo missions.

Theo Von 2:05:43 Wow. I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 2:05:44 That's today. That's happening right... Nobody knows it. That's what's nuts. This is taking, I think, 10 people.

Theo Von 2:05:51 Four.

Joe Rogan 2:05:51 Four? Is it 10 days? How many days are they doing it?

Theo Von 2:05:54 I think it's 10 days.

Joe Rogan 2:05:55 10 days. Four people, 10 days, and they're going around the moon and coming back to Earth. No one's done that since 1972.

Theo Von 2:06:02 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:06:02 And it's happening today, and no one cares. That's kind of weird, right?

Theo Von 2:06:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:06:08 That's kind of weird.

Theo Von 2:06:09 Right. It, see, it, it, whatever that is, that's part of us that has really been doctored pretty heavily, the part of us that doesn't even find like a big fascination in that. Like, that's the part of myself that I wanna find more of, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:06:22 It's very weird. It's very weird that we've become dull to like fascinating things.

Theo Von 2:06:27 But also, do we even bel- some of it is like it's s- we don't even know if it's real. It's like so much of this shit, you see these videos, it's like that's not even real. They just had like the Iranian protests or something or like the happiness in the street. They were just saying that that was, uh, not even-

Joe Rogan 2:06:41 A different... It was a totally different, um, thing that they were filming. And then there was one that people were saying was older, and then we found out no it's not. It's actually those current people, uh, protesting in Iran that we were bombing them, and they were prote- they were like in favor of the government. But then you gotta know like, well, how many people are scared to death, and they're doing that 'cause they don't wanna get killed because the government has killed thousands and thousands of people, including like major public figures to show that no one has any favoritism. Like they killed this like championship wrestler, like incredible wrestler. They killed two different wrestlers that supposedly protested against the government. So who fucking knows?

Theo Von 2:07:24 Did you see that they don't know, uh, that there's conflicts of interest about... Or no, did you see... Sorry, I'm starting this sentence off wrong. Did you see that there is some issues about the bullet that killed that guy? Of Charlie Kirk?

Joe Rogan 2:07:38 Yes.

Theo Von 2:07:38 I'm sorry. And I, I didn't mean to say that guy.

Joe Rogan 2:07:40 Yeah.

Theo Von 2:07:40 But I wasn't-

Joe Rogan 2:07:41 Let me, um-Clarify that, I think, and we'll find out if this is correct. But I see headlines, and I see the way people are talking about it, and I don't know if it's accurate.

Theo Von 2:07:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07:53 Because what I think is accurate is what they're saying is that the f- from the fragments of the bullet, they were unable to determine that it came from that m- Mauser rifle.

Theo Von 2:08:05 I see.

Joe Rogan 2:08:06 My issue with it, and I'm no expert, but I have shot things. Like I've, I'm a hunter, I've shot things with rifles, I've shot a lot of rifles.

Theo Von 2:08:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:08:17 A 30-06 is a big round.

Theo Von 2:08:19 Oof.

Joe Rogan 2:08:19 That's a big round. Show me an image-

Theo Von 2:08:21 Would it hurt if it hit you?

Joe Rogan 2:08:23 Uh, experts-

Theo Von 2:08:24 It would hurt bad, huh?

Joe Rogan 2:08:24 ... debunk Tyler Robinson's ballistic claim. Unable to identify is not the same as ruled out, which is exactly what I'm saying, right? So, um, show me an image of a 30-06 round, 30-06 rifle round. I want you to look at this. Look at the size of that fucker, okay? Look at a 30-06 versus a 308.

Theo Von 2:08:47 That's a fucking paperweight.

Joe Rogan 2:08:48 A 30-06 is a, it's a big round. Do you see it in that guy's hand?

Theo Von 2:08:52 Yeah. Oh my God, are you serious?

Joe Rogan 2:08:54 Mm-hmm, that's a 30-06. So this is my-

Theo Von 2:08:56 That's a fat little hand though too.

Joe Rogan 2:08:57 This is my point.

Theo Von 2:08:58 Look at that thing.

Joe Rogan 2:08:58 That's like my hand.

Theo Von 2:08:59 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:08:59 This is, this is the point, is that that's a big round. That's not a small round. I mean, I don't know, what is it in compared to... I use a 300 Win Mag.

Theo Von 2:09:08 Look at that, on the, right there. You just had it, those cartridges.

Joe Rogan 2:09:11 5.56. Yeah. Um, is meant for war, a 30-06 is meant for hunting. No, I don't think that's accurate.

Theo Von 2:09:18 Yeah, that doesn't look realistic.

Joe Rogan 2:09:20 That's what a 30-06 looks like.

Theo Von 2:09:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:09:22 Okay? In comparison to a quarter. So you look at it, so a quarter's about that high, it's about that big. That's a big round, dude. That's a round for hunting, like elk. Like, it's a very common round. Well, see, do you, do me a favor and compare a 30-06 to 300 Win Mag. Compare it to thir- 300 Win Mag.

Theo Von 2:09:42 I'm just scared, dude.

Joe Rogan 2:09:44 So 300 Win Mag I think is fatter. Let's see the difference. Okay. There it is, 300 Win Mag on the left. Oh, 30-06 is bigger.

Theo Von 2:09:55 Oh, look.

Joe Rogan 2:09:56 Okay.

Theo Von 2:09:56 Little copper.

Joe Rogan 2:09:56 Is that real?

Theo Von 2:09:57 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 2:09:58 Which one's which, though?

Theo Von 2:09:59 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 2:10:00 Um, sh- uh, show me that one far left. Far left. Right there. Okay, 300 Win Mag and 30-06. So 300 Win Mag has a little bit more powder in it, see? See how it goes higher up? So it has more of charge. It's a bigger round. But my point is that's a big round. So like a thir- oh, 300 Win Mag's a big round.

Theo Von 2:10:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:10:22 30-06 is slightly smaller, but it's still, that's a lot of powder in that bad boy. That's a lot of firepower. It's a, that's a... So this is what a lot of people have an issue with, is the, the wound, that there was no exit wound. It shot him in, like, the soft tissue of the neck.

Theo Von 2:10:40 If it killed you, wouldn't you feel-

Joe Rogan 2:10:41 It didn't go out.

Theo Von 2:10:41 Would you feel pain?

Joe Rogan 2:10:43 I mean, yeah, I feel, it looked like he was dead almost instantly. It looked like he, he slumped over. I think he was at the very least unconscious.

Theo Von 2:10:49 But it would've left his body, you're saying?

Joe Rogan 2:10:51 I think it would've blown a hole out the back. That's the thing. It's like nine millimeters do that sometimes.

Theo Von 2:10:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:10:57 It just doesn't, it seems weird that it doesn't have an exit hole.

Theo Von 2:11:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:01 It seems weird that you're shooting him in the neck, and the, the image from the back, there's a video of him getting shot from the back, it doesn't leave an exit hole. So it doesn't look like it's that round. There's also the fact that this guy supposedly climbed on the roof with it, and then assembled it, which doesn't make sense, because if you assemble it, that means you have to take the scope off, put the scope back on. You have to zero the rifle after you do stuff like that.

Theo Von 2:11:26 Yeah, the guy who had, uh, who, uh, killed, or allegedly killed Osama Bin Laden. Who's that? Michael, uh, Mike? Who's the...

Joe Rogan 2:11:33 I know who you're talking about, the Navy SEAL?

Theo Von 2:11:35 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:11:35 Yeah.

Theo Von 2:11:35 He was just talking about that. And I don't, and I only say allegedly 'cause I don't know anything about that. I, I don't know the specifics, even though I read the fricking book he wrote. Um, but yeah, the, he was saying that, uh, to be able to do all that and get off of that roof, it all seems bizarre.

Joe Rogan 2:11:47 Not only that, they supposedly d- disconnected the rifle again, took it apart on the roof, put it in his backpack, jumped off with it, and then reassembled it and left it in the woods.

Theo Von 2:11:59 And allegedly was at a Dairy Queen. Did you see that?

Joe Rogan 2:12:00 Yes.

Theo Von 2:12:00 Who could shoot someone and go to Dairy Queen?

Joe Rogan 2:12:03 It seems weird. And then also, his family's denying that he, he confessed.

Theo Von 2:12:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12:08 They were saying that no, he didn't confess.

Theo Von 2:12:10 And we haven't heard-

Joe Rogan 2:12:11 His family said 2% of what they're saying about this is correct.

Theo Von 2:12:14 Have you, have you reached out to them-

Joe Rogan 2:12:15 No

Theo Von 2:12:15 ... or have they reached out to you?

Joe Rogan 2:12:16 No, and well, I don't think they can. I mean, they're probably terrified about their son's future in life. Like, they're trying to pin this crime on him. Who knows if he did it or didn't do it? I'm not saying he did it, or I'm not saying he didn't do it, but I am saying that the story of him climbing up there with a disassembled gun, assembling it, making that shot, climb, disassembling it again, climbing down. If that's the narrative, that sounds like straight horseshit.

Theo Von 2:12:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12:40 And the video of him hopping down, it does not look like he has a rifle when he's hopping down. So what, what's happening? How did he get up there? How did no one see it?

Theo Von 2:12:48 Do you-

Joe Rogan 2:12:48 There, there's so many things that are fucked up about that story, it doesn't, it doesn't totally make sense, but a big one to me is the actual bullet hole, the, the, the actual damage that that rifle does. Look, b- but here's another thing. Guns do weird things sometimes. Like, bullets do weird things, and sometimes they don't res- maybe it hit, maybe it fucking center punched his spinal column and it did blow apart, and it didn't go out the back. It's possible.

Theo Von 2:13:15 Have we seen, have they gi- released any information about the autopsy?

Joe Rogan 2:13:20 I don't know. I don't know.

Theo Von 2:13:22 I mean, you would think that, uh, the-

Joe Rogan 2:13:23 I don't know what the specifics are, but I know a lot of people are very skeptical, which they are about everything these days, which is also a part of the problem.

Theo Von 2:13:29 Well, they have to be skeptical because the news is compromised. Uh, the news is-

Joe Rogan 2:13:33 Mm-hmm

Theo Von 2:13:33 ... owned by, you know, it's not good. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:13:37 It's also, there's a lot of disinformation out there. There's a lot of, like, covering up stories. There's a lot of weird shit.

Theo Von 2:13:43 And-Yes. And then even, uh, other places can put out news that, that, that's bad for us. They'll be like, "Oh, we'll, we'll put this out there-"

Joe Rogan 2:13:50 Sure

Theo Von 2:13:51 ... dis- disguised as information.

Joe Rogan 2:13:52 Yeah.

Theo Von 2:13:53 Um, but did you see the, that exploding mic theory? Did you guys talk about that on here?

Joe Rogan 2:13:57 I've heard that theory, but I don't know if that makes sense. I don't know. I've heard people talk about it, but I hadn't looked into it. It looks like he got shot. I don't know if the microphone's gonna hit you in the neck. Like how, how do you know where the mic's pointing? You're moving around a lot. How do you know when to make it go off?

Theo Von 2:14:13 That's a good point. They had it like on his shirt at a specific spot, but yeah, you're right. How would you know? But then the place where they-

Joe Rogan 2:14:19 It sounds like a gunshot though, and there's a delay between the gunshot and the impact in terms of like acoustic readings. Like, and I think somebody did an analysis of the distance they believe the shot was taken from based on the sound, you know, if, if that is the round that they used, a 30-06, based on the sound of the gunshot going off and the amount of time before it impacts him. It's a very small amount of time, but it is measurable.

Theo Von 2:14:44 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:14:44 And they think that it might've be- actually been closer than what they're saying, which is I think 100 and something yards. I forget what the exact distance was. What was the exact distance supposedly? I think it was like 140 yards or something like that. But the weird thing is like th- this whole idea of assembling and disassembling, it doesn't work like that, man.

Theo Von 2:15:03 And if the guy's not a professional-

Joe Rogan 2:15:05 When you take a-

Theo Von 2:15:05 Was he a professional?

Joe Rogan 2:15:06 No. No, he definitely wasn't a professional, but I'm... Like you could get trained. Like shooting a rifle at 140 yards with a really good scope, if you've shot a bunch of times with a rifle and you can keep your shit together-

Theo Von 2:15:19 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 2:15:19 ... is not that far of a shot. You can make that shot.

Theo Von 2:15:23 Got it.

Joe Rogan 2:15:23 People can make that shot. He wasn't even wearing a bulletproof vest, even though they, he did obviously get hit in the neck. But the thing is like if that's the narrative, and I don't know if they're still sticking with the story, but that was what they were saying at first, that he disassembled it and reassembled it. Reassembling a gun does not make it accurate. You have to zero a rifle in, and what that r- involves in, you get to like whatever the yardage are that you're trying it out, like 100 yards, and, you know, you, you squeeze off a trigger, and then you look through the binoculars or you have a spotter with a scope next to you, and he says-

Theo Von 2:15:55 Oh my God

Joe Rogan 2:15:56 ... he says, "Six inches high right." And so then you adjust it.

Theo Von 2:15:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:59 You adjust the scope and that... And then you get it where it's firing, and you do it on a rest. And it takes a few shots, man. So you have a rest so that you're, you're not, your rifle, you're not moving the rifle around where it can, you know, be human error can be attributed to the miss.

Theo Von 2:16:13 And if you're on a hot roof, that was a hot roof, wasn't it?

Joe Rogan 2:16:16 Most official and media accounts put the shot at roughly 200 yards with some investigative timelines suggesting a range of about 150 to 200 yards from Ker- So somewhere between 150 and 200 yards.

Theo Von 2:16:27 But dude, and also being on a hot roof, have you ever been on a hot roof?

Joe Rogan 2:16:30 I have.

Theo Von 2:16:31 Dude, it's hot.

Joe Rogan 2:16:32 Well, it wasn't that hot. Well, yeah, it was, it was September. September in Utah, actually not that hot.

Theo Von 2:16:38 It sounds hot.

Joe Rogan 2:16:39 Yeah, I don't think it was.

Theo Von 2:16:41 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 2:16:41 'Cause this, this was happening while I was out elk hunting.

Theo Von 2:16:44 What town did it happen in?

Joe Rogan 2:16:47 I don't know. I'm not sure. It was in Utah, though.

Theo Von 2:16:54 I think it was in southern Utah, wasn't it?

Joe Rogan 2:16:56 Yeah, but Utah's, you know-

Theo Von 2:16:58 Utah's out

Joe Rogan 2:16:59 ... Utah's a mountain... It's a mountain town. I mean-

Theo Von 2:17:02 Yeah. I, my brother lives in Utah. I, I, I like Utah.

Joe Rogan 2:17:04 Like I said, I was in Utah at the time this happened.

Theo Von 2:17:07 Oh, you were?

Joe Rogan 2:17:07 Yeah, I was hunting in the mountains.

Theo Von 2:17:09 Well, that's interesting.

Joe Rogan 2:17:11 Yeah. I don't know nothing.

Theo Von 2:17:14 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:17:15 I started getting all these text messages from people wanting me to comment on things. I was like, "What are you talking about?" I literally didn't know what was going on.

Theo Von 2:17:21 But-

Joe Rogan 2:17:21 And I had to use the Starlink to get online.

Theo Von 2:17:24 Oh, wow. That's cool.

Joe Rogan 2:17:25 I got a Starlink. It's like literally-

Theo Von 2:17:27 I like Starlink

Joe Rogan 2:17:27 ... it's like the size of a fucking iPad, and you lay it on the ground, you get high-speed internet. It's incredible.

Theo Von 2:17:32 That's cool shit.

Joe Rogan 2:17:32 Yeah. But that's how I had to like research it, find out what the fuck people are talking about.

Theo Von 2:17:37 But did you see the o- there was like the facility in Tennessee where they bought the f- whatever the mic thing was allegedly that, that, that place then got completely obliterated. 16 people died.

Joe Rogan 2:17:47 No. What? What?

Theo Von 2:17:50 If you can bring that up, bring that-

Joe Rogan 2:17:51 Where they made the microphones?

Theo Von 2:17:53 Where they made the, uh, lapel mic that he was wearing. This is like a, this is probably a conspiracy thing or something.

Joe Rogan 2:17:59 Where'd you get this? TikTok?

Theo Von 2:18:01 This is a conspiracy theory or it's something that's absolutely true.

Joe Rogan 2:18:03 [laughs]

Theo Von 2:18:03 I just...

Joe Rogan 2:18:07 Damn. I haven't heard that one at all.

Theo Von 2:18:09 I think James Lee said it. This was James Lee.

Joe Rogan 2:18:09 But I'm trying to stay away from this shit.

Theo Von 2:18:12 I agree.

Joe Rogan 2:18:12 That's why I'm not... That's why I don't know.

Theo Von 2:18:15 I agree. It just... I think s- it, it... I don't know. It's just a tough-

Joe Rogan 2:18:19 So my, my point about the round is it's a large round, and it seems like it would've done more damage. And this is not my opinion. This is the opinion of many experts.

Theo Von 2:18:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:18:29 I agree with their opinion. I would... It's not uniquely my opinion. I saw it, and I'm like, "Oh my God, he got shot." And then I heard it was a 30-06, and I was like, "Hmm."

Theo Von 2:18:38 That's interesting.

Joe Rogan 2:18:39 It's a little odd.

Theo Von 2:18:40 If you had to get shot by, what, what would you like to get, if you had to get shot?

Joe Rogan 2:18:43 You wanna get killed, right? You don't wanna get-

Theo Von 2:18:45 I don't. Shoot me with a .22.

Joe Rogan 2:18:47 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'd take a .22, but a .22 kills people.

Theo Von 2:18:50 Where would you take it at?

Joe Rogan 2:18:51 People kill people. Take it in the shoulder, I guess.

Theo Von 2:18:53 Fuck yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:18:55 [laughs] Dude.

Theo Von 2:18:56 No.

Joe Rogan 2:18:56 You don't wanna get shot, period.

Theo Von 2:18:58 I know. I agree, Joe, but I'm just saying-

Joe Rogan 2:19:00 [laughs]

Theo Von 2:19:00 ... if you had to get shot, how do you like... Because here's the thing-

Joe Rogan 2:19:03 Butt cheek, .22 in the, tighten up. Err.

Theo Von 2:19:07 There's-

Joe Rogan 2:19:07 Take it in the butt cheek.

Theo Von 2:19:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19:09 Bang. I don't know.

Theo Von 2:19:11 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 2:19:11 Not good.

Theo Von 2:19:12 But it's gonna be-

Joe Rogan 2:19:12 No, no, no bullet is good to take, but the point is that seemed like not enough damage for that kind of round.

Theo Von 2:19:20 You s-

Joe Rogan 2:19:20 But I might be wrong. Again, I might be wrong in that bullets do weird things.

Theo Von 2:19:23 It's okay if you're wrong.

Joe Rogan 2:19:25 If it hit the spine and it blew apart, but I just feel like you would find a lot of it in there.

Theo Von 2:19:31 I... Dude, it's-

Joe Rogan 2:19:31 Especially if there's no exit wound. Like where's... How come you can't find...

Theo Von 2:19:36 The whole thing's bizarre, dude. Did you see the part, Jamie, that I'm talking about where that thing blew up?

Joe Rogan 2:19:40 Oh, yeah... gonna find a good explanation of-

Theo Von 2:19:43 Okay, understood

Joe Rogan 2:19:43 ... the show.

Theo Von 2:19:43 And there may not be one. Thank you. I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 2:19:46 Um.

Theo Von 2:19:46 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:19:46 No, 'cause I know I brought it up yesterday.

Theo Von 2:19:48 Oh, you did? Okay. Um, yeah, just like, I don't know. I think I'm just scared, and it's like, yeah, what do you-

Joe Rogan 2:19:54 There it is

Theo Von 2:19:54 ... I just don't know yet.

Joe Rogan 2:19:55 18 people unaccounted for after deadly explosion rocks Tennessee plant.

Theo Von 2:20:00 Not funny.

Joe Rogan 2:20:00 First responders rush to Accurate Energetic Systems... That sounds like a CIA operation.

Theo Von 2:20:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:20:05 A facility on the line of Humphreys and Hickman, uh, counties that processes ammunition and explosives. But is this the place that made the microphones?

Theo Von 2:20:15 So that, that, the, the conspiracy says that the microphone was taken to this place to be converted into, like, an explosion device.

Joe Rogan 2:20:22 Oh.

Theo Von 2:20:22 Somebody found an invoice from it. That's what it was. That, that, that was-

Joe Rogan 2:20:25 Yeah

Theo Von 2:20:25 ... the piece of information that was going around.

Joe Rogan 2:20:26 Who found that? Is that James Lee found that?

Theo Von 2:20:29 Not sure.

Joe Rogan 2:20:29 See if you can find what James Lee has to say. He's my number one source of information.

Theo Von 2:20:33 That's what I heard, dude. I had, I got to podcast with him.

Joe Rogan 2:20:35 [laughs] Did you?

Theo Von 2:20:36 I got to meet him, dude.

Joe Rogan 2:20:37 Is he cool?

Theo Von 2:20:37 He's a nice guy, bro. He's fun. Yeah, he's like he- well, his, his story's wild because he was working as a consultant for, uh, one of the big pharmaceutical companies, like one of the big ones that we know, right?

Joe Rogan 2:20:48 Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 2:20:49 And he just couldn't say the name, but he could say it, but he never said it.

Joe Rogan 2:20:52 Right.

Theo Von 2:20:52 Um, and then he was in a Zoom one time, and they're like, "Okay, we still have a lot of stockpile from the first vaccination," and that's when he said they started suggesting, allegedly, that people should then get a second vaccination because they had this first, they had, they still had more of the original vaccine.

Joe Rogan 2:21:10 Oh.

Theo Von 2:21:10 So it was just like a thing. Well, we have more of it, let's sell it back to them, and that's why.

Joe Rogan 2:21:14 And so he started getting, like, very skeptical.

Theo Von 2:21:16 So he started really getting skeptical, and he, and then he got out of it.

Joe Rogan 2:21:18 Mm.

Theo Von 2:21:18 And he said he just wants to, like, expose things that he feels like are not real-

Joe Rogan 2:21:23 Right

Theo Von 2:21:23 ... or true.

Joe Rogan 2:21:24 You think he might be CIA? Dun, dun, dun. You always gotta worry.

Theo Von 2:21:28 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 2:21:29 You gotta wonder.

Theo Von 2:21:29 People thought Sean, people thought Sean Ryan was cool.

Joe Rogan 2:21:31 Yeah, I've heard people say that.

Theo Von 2:21:33 Remember?

Joe Rogan 2:21:33 Yeah.

Theo Von 2:21:34 That was