Arsenio Hall on Joe Rogan: Why no desk changed late-night TV

1. 0:02 – 2:38

   Comedy club culture: Mitzi Shore’s influence and the “phone-in-bag” era

   1. SPSpeaker0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

   2. SPSpeaker0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. SPSpeaker0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat rock music]

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      All right. Slap some headphones on. Let's rock and roll, sir.

   5. SPSpeaker0:15

      Hello. Yes. Our old friend would be so happy. And n- not just that picture, but so much that you've done. Do ... Like, do you believe that people who have gone on know what we're doing or see us?

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      I don't know. Y- you'd like to think that it ... you're that important. [laughs]

   7. SPSpeaker0:37

      Oh, yeah. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:37

      I have a feeling they have more important stuff to do on the other side.

   9. SPSpeaker0:41

      Yeah, I guess if you're in heaven, you're not thinking about the mothership.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Right.

   11. SPSpeaker0:45

       But, um-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Well, the mothership definitely is from her.

   13. SPSpeaker0:49

       Yes, yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Yeah.

   15. SPSpeaker0:51

       Well, I mean, that's an incredible tribute to her, um, that the-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Well, the bar's named after her.

   17. SPSpeaker0:57

       Yeah. I, I've heard all the comics. I've heard Shane and Ian and all the guys talk about it after they came back. Um, and that's just an honor, man, that, that ... Plus, you know, I used to say to people, "If you haven't taken something from watching Richard Pryor, you're probably doing it wrong."

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Right.

   19. SPSpeaker1:16

       And Mitzi made the greatest comedy mecca ever, and you gotta copy what she did.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       100%, yeah.

   21. SPSpeaker1:28

       Yeah. Wow. And this is cool.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Yeah. She taught me everything about how to run a club, how to do it right. Basically, kinda let the comedians run it. Let the inmates run the asylum.

   23. SPSpeaker1:38

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       You know?

   25. SPSpeaker1:39

       Yeah, we're, uh, perfect inmates for that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       [laughs]

   27. SPSpeaker1:42

       And, and, and right now, the Comedy Store is greater than ever.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       That's awesome.

   29. SPSpeaker1:47

       Yeah, it's, it, it, it's wonderful there because, you know, I even got Jay Leno to come back, you know, 'cause he remembered the old days and hadn't gone back, and I'm like, "Dude, it's different. They, they pay you [laughs] for coming. They split the door in a different way now, and there are phones in bags." I had to explain that concept.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Yeah. We had encouraged them to do all that.
2. 2:38 – 6:02

   Creating onstage: improvisation, bombing, and the necessity of freedom

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:38

      Oh, 100%. It's also, you have to be free to fuck around and experiment, and if someone takes that fucking around and exper- ... And you don't know what's coming out of your mouth. Like right now, I don't know what's coming out of my mouth right before-

   2. SPSpeaker2:50

      [laughs]

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:50

      ... I say it, right?

   4. SPSpeaker2:50

      Yeah, right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:51

      And people have to understand that. This is not like ... When you're on stage and you're working out, like, a lot of it is free balling. You've got material that's, like, pre sort of established, and you, you're, you know, you've got the, the bones of it, but you're also fucking around in the moment, and sometimes you fuck around in the moment and it works, and sometimes you fuck around in the moment and it s- does nothing. It goes ... Or it's terrible. It, you said something awful, and you're like, "Whoops, sorry." [laughs]

   6. SPSpeaker3:18

      Yeah, we make mistakes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:19

      I'm just ... You're just fucking creating something, and then stand-up is the only art form that you have to kinda create in front of a crowd. You can't really ... You can get ideas and the concepts and the flesh of it alone, but you have ... It comes alive in front of the crowd.

   8. SPSpeaker3:36

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:36

      You have to be able to fuck around.

   10. SPSpeaker3:38

       Yeah, I, um ... Me and Chappelle m- uh, and you've, you've done this kind of thing. Me and Chappelle met Chris Rock in Cleveland, 'cause Chappelle lives in Ohio, obviously. W- he's done something very similar to what you've done, but we'll get into that later.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       Yeah. Yeah.

   12. SPSpeaker3:53

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       He's done something really cool.

   14. SPSpeaker3:55

       Incredible.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       Basically took over a whole town. [laughs]

   16. SPSpeaker3:57

       Yeah, yeah. And-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       It's funny, and especially, he had a really funny joke about it, about how, uh, when white people move into a neighborhood, it's called gentrification, and he goes, "They don't have a word for I'm doing to ... [laughs] what, what I'm doing to these motherfuckers."

   18. SPSpeaker4:10

       Yeah. It's crazy to be Dave Chappelle, the most important man in town.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Yeah.

   20. SPSpeaker4:15

       But, uh, Chris Rock was doing Cleveland, and, uh, we met him there, and that was the first time I saw the bags.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       Mm-hmm.

   22. SPSpeaker4:25

       People ... And, and I was apprehensive. Um, as a matter of fact, I saw a celebrity in LA who didn't wanna put his phone in a bag, and so they had that motherfucker stay outside. [laughs] You know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       Yeah. There's too many snitches in this world. Too many people just wanna film everything for the 'Gram.

   24. SPSpeaker4:42

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       Like, stop.

   26. SPSpeaker4:44

       Yeah, sometimes-

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       Stop

   28. SPSpeaker4:45

       ... we're saying the wrong thing. Sometimes we're drunk.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       Yeah.

   30. SPSpeaker4:48

       You know?
3. 6:02 – 10:22

   Sleep deprivation, memory slips, and Rogan’s public clarification

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Hey, speaking ... I gotta clear something up.

   2. SPSpeaker6:03

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:03

      Speaking of ... Uh, this has nothing to do with you, but-

   4. SPSpeaker6:05

      Mm-hmm

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:06

      ... I did a podcast last week with Theo Von, and, uh, in it-W- One, there's like a video on the internet that's accusing me of lying about something, and what I said was-

   6. SPSpeaker6:17

      Mm-hmm

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:17

      ... that I was in the mountains of Utah when the Charlie Kirk thing was going down. What had actually happened was I was here doing a podcast with Charlie Sheen when the Charlie Kirk thing went down, when he di- It, we, l- we'd stopped and take, took a piss break, right? And that's when we found out about it, right?

   8. SPSpeaker6:37

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:37

      Um, and then when I was in the mountains of Utah, that's when the Jimmy Kimmel thing was happening, when Jimmy Kimmel was getting in trouble.

   10. SPSpeaker6:43

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       And I was getting all these messages, but I didn't have any service out there, so I had to hook up the Starlink in order to find out what was happening.

   12. SPSpeaker6:49

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:50

       When I did the podcast the other day, it seemed like I was saying that I was in the mountains when Charlie Kirk got shot. I probably was saying that. I was exhausted when I did that show last week. I, so I did a show on Tuesday night at the club, and I have this thing that I do, unfortunately, where I come home, and it's the only time that I get alone time, is when everyone's asleep.

   14. SPSpeaker7:15

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       And I stayed up way too late. I stayed up super late. Then I had to take my kid to school in the morning, and I was like, "I'll just power through." The problem when I do that, when I get no sleep, is my memory is dog shit.

   16. SPSpeaker7:27

       [chuckles]

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       Like, I have a really good memory and a terrible memory. It's really good a lot of the times, and then sometimes, especially when I'm tired, it's fucking terrible. It's like I... From doing thousands of podcasts-

   18. SPSpeaker7:39

       Yeah

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       ... my memory is like a room that's filled with boxes an- and files.

   20. SPSpeaker7:45

       Hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       And I don't know where the fuck everything is.

   22. SPSpeaker7:47

       See, a- as you were talking, the first thing that ca- Everything goes to sports for me. Some of our greatest home run hitters, uh, they strike out a lot, because they're swinging all the motherfucking time-

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       Right

   24. SPSpeaker7:58

       ... trying to get it to co- McCovey Cove or some place.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       Of course.

   26. SPSpeaker8:01

       And I think that's how we are... Well, not we. You especially right now. You're doing this constantly. You're talking to lots of people, saying lots of things, and every now and then, there's gonna be a swing and a miss. Let me explain that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Yeah, but the real problem was sleepy.

   28. SPSpeaker8:16

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       The real problem was not getting any sleep, and I'm not gonna do that anymore, 'cause I keep doing... The thing, I get home at 9:00-

   30. SPSpeaker8:22

       Have you had that problem before, like sleep deprivation-
4. 10:22 – 15:50

   Weed, performance, and mental health: benefits, risks, and comparisons to alcohol

   1. SPSpeaker10:22

      And, and the other thing that, that hit me is I was listening to you talk recently, and you talked about smoking herb and how it enhanced the weightlifting process you-

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:33

      Yeah.

   3. SPSpeaker10:34

      What, what's that about? How-

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:35

      You feel it in your tissues, man. It's like you feel... It's really good for coordination exercise. Like, there's a lot of jujitsu guys who smoke weed.

   5. SPSpeaker10:43

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:44

      They smoke weed right before class, like get ripped, and then, and go and train.

   7. SPSpeaker10:48

      So the Gracies were high when I first started seeing-

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:50

      Mm, not those guys.

   9. SPSpeaker10:51

      Okay.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       Those guys don't do it, but a lot of guys do.

   11. SPSpeaker10:53

       Okay.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:53

       I think one of the, one of the, I don't wanna throw him under the bus-

   13. SPSpeaker10:56

       Mm-hmm

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:56

       ... but one of the brothers was really into smoking weed and doing jujitsu.

   15. SPSpeaker11:00

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       And arguably the best one. Definitely the best one. But, um, a lot of jujitsu guys do it. And, uh, a lot of guys like to do it before kickboxing. It's a, you just feel your muscles more. You feel, like, your coordination more. You're more sensitive. It's weird. It's like instead of the, you being, like, abstract with your movements and, you know, just kinda, like, doing it, it's like you feel all the tissues, all the connection. When you lift weights, you're like, "Ugh."

   17. SPSpeaker11:28

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:28

       Like you feel all the fibers of all your shit moving. It's like, it just makes you more sensitive. It's such an un- misunderstood substance. Not for everybody. I really believe some people should not get high. I think for some people it throws them off and sends them down a dark road, and it's just not, not for them.

   19. SPSpeaker11:47

       Causes them to procrastinate about their life and personal responsibilities.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       There's a lot of that. There's a lot of people that just wake and bake and just live in the cloud all day and never get anything, anything done.

   21. SPSpeaker11:57

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       And then there's a lot of people that also get, like, super paranoid, and they get anxiety, and they freak out. And then there's people that, there's a lot of, uh, connections to marijuana and psychosis or, um, schizophrenic states that some p-

   23. SPSpeaker12:13

       Mm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:13

       But the problem with that isWere they already-

   25. SPSpeaker12:17

       Yeah

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:17

       ... like did they already have a propensity towards schizophrenia and marijuana pushed them over the edge? Were they gonna get it anyway? Like, it's hard to say.

   27. SPSpeaker12:23

       A lot of those guys on a diet Coke would have problems.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       Yeah, right. [laughs]

   29. SPSpeaker12:27

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:27

       There's a lot of guys just fucking red lights freak 'em out. There's, there's people that just life is too hard for them, and they don't need something else that fucks with it. You know, if you already have mental health struggles, probably shouldn't do mushrooms, you know?
5. 15:50 – 24:35

   Stimulants and sleep meds: Adderall, Ambien, and the ‘no free lunch’ principle

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      I do hear people say that about speed, which is weird. You hear people say that about amphetamines, like especially Adderall, like how like-

   2. SPSpeaker15:57

      Ooh

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:57

      ... "Oh my God, it makes me so productive. I get so much done." But it's generally, it's like journalists-

   4. SPSpeaker16:03

      Yeah

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:03

      ... and people that have to write a lot.

   6. SPSpeaker16:05

      Students. I, I'm-

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:06

      Yeah, students

   8. SPSpeaker16:07

      ... very curious about Adderall because I'm hearing so much, and I'm thinking, like when I was doing the book, right, I'm like, "Would Adderall be good to focus me, to do for me what it does for students that I hear talk about it?"

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:23

      Probably. Probably, but I don't-

   10. SPSpeaker16:25

       It's a pill, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       It scares me though, 'cause I know a lot of people with problems with it. It's, it's a, it's a real, it's a real catchy one. It gets you.

   12. SPSpeaker16:36

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       And then you start leaning on it.

   14. SPSpeaker16:38

       So that, that's one of the, one of the downs is it's extremely addicting.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       Very addictive, yeah.

   16. SPSpeaker16:42

       But what's the other downside? Any others?

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       Well, I would imagine when you get off of it, you're exhausted 'cause I would imagine whenever there's... There's always some sort of a biological... You know, there's a, there's a... Whenever... There's no free lunch, right?

   18. SPSpeaker16:57

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       Anything that speeds you up is gonna bring you down. Like, there's get... If you're ramping your body up where you're focusing for fucking 16 hours just sitting in front of the typewriter. [imitates typing]

   20. SPSpeaker17:06

       Yeah. [laughs]

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       And that's what, like, why journalists like it.

   22. SPSpeaker17:09

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       I would imagine the, the back end of it... You've done it, Jamie.

   24. SPSpeaker17:13

       Yeah, twice.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:14

       What's-

   26. SPSpeaker17:14

       Only twice, 'cause it kept me up for two days.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       Ooh.

   28. SPSpeaker17:16

       See, that's what I'm talking about.

   29. SPSpeaker17:17

       That's what I'm talking about. That's the main thing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Sounds like coke. That's it.
6. 24:35 – 30:24

   Acting and aging: why Rogan avoids sets, Arsenio at 70, and simplifying life

   1. SPSpeaker24:35

      Do you like to act?

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:37

      No.

   3. SPSpeaker24:38

      Okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:38

      I don't hate it.

   5. SPSpeaker24:39

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:40

      I don't like the process. I don't like waiting around all day. I don't like being on set. I don't like dealing with... Some actors are great. Some actors are j- just like all kinds of people.

   7. SPSpeaker24:50

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:50

      Cops. There's a lot of cops that are awesome.

   9. SPSpeaker24:52

      'Cause I know you were at a point in your life when you could probably do anything you want, and I never see you pursuing any acting roles, anything like this.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:00

       No, I avoid them. Yeah, I've, I've o- been offered some fun stuff, and I was like, "Mm, I'm not going to p- Bulgaria for three months. Fuck that."

   11. SPSpeaker25:09

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:09

       I'm just... I... It's not my thing. And if it was my thing, I would b- I'd be like, feel very fortunate, and I'd, I'd dive on it.

   13. SPSpeaker25:16

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       I'd be like, "Oh, my God, it's amazing."

   15. SPSpeaker25:17

       So when, when you look at something you've done and you're watching a role at, in dailies or, uh, at the premiere, you don't love what you see so much that you'd do more of it?

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:27

       It doesn't bother me.

   17. SPSpeaker25:28

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:28

       It, but it's not, it's just not what I enjoy doing.

   19. SPSpeaker25:31

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       And ag- again, it's the process that's the problem. It's the 16-hour days. It's like... And it's being around actors because you're around people that need to think and need to talk in a very specific way-

   21. SPSpeaker25:47

       Mm-hmm

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:47

       ... 'cause they're always worried they're gonna be cast out of the kingdom.

   23. SPSpeaker25:51

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:51

       You know what I mean?

   25. SPSpeaker25:52

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:52

       So it's like this very disingenuous way of communicating that a lot of actors have, and it's just-

   27. SPSpeaker25:58

       And you always feel when you do something that this person's gonna be your friend for life. "I, I'll see you next month."

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:03

       Right.

   29. SPSpeaker26:03

       And you never see that fucker ever again.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:05

       [laughs]
7. 30:24 – 34:46

   Money, staff, and getting overcharged: the weird psychology of wealth

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      That's better. Yeah. Th- there's a lot of people that just want a lot of people around them 'cause it makes them feel important. They have a big staff. They have a lot of people working for them, a lot of things going on, a lot of different projects.

   2. SPSpeaker30:35

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:36

      Keep moving, keep moving.

   4. SPSpeaker30:37

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      But no peace

   6. SPSpeaker30:39

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:39

      Yeah. Not good. I always tell comedians, like, they're, they're like, "Oh, I gotta get an assistant." I go, "No you don't. Just do less shit. Don't get an assistant."

   8. SPSpeaker30:46

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:46

      You get an assistant, that person's gonna wanna kill you.

   10. SPSpeaker30:49

       [laughs]

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       That person's [laughs]

   12. SPSpeaker30:50

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       They're gonna feel entitled. You're making all this money, they're not. You're famous, they're not.

   14. SPSpeaker30:55

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       They, they see you for who you really are. They're follow- You know, and like, "He fucking regular guy. Why's he got all this?" Like, David Spade's assistant duct-taped him and tased him. Remember that?

   16. SPSpeaker31:05

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       Tried to kill him.

   18. SPSpeaker31:07

       That's, that's, that's heavy, man.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       [laughs]

   20. SPSpeaker31:08

       That's, I, and, and, and I've heard that the people who work for us always hate us. I've always avoided ... Somebody told me-

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       It's not always the case

   22. SPSpeaker31:17

       ... they said, "You, you know your housekeeper hates you." And I'm like, "No, she's been with me 22 years." He's like, "That bitch hates you, man." [laughs]

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       [laughs]

   24. SPSpeaker31:26

       And, and, and I don't wanna believe that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       It's not always the case, but the, it is often the case that people that are around people that have so much, they feel like, "Why don't I have this?" Like, "I'm working for this person. What am I not doing ... But why am I not rich? This person could just make me rich." It's weird, you know what I mean?

   26. SPSpeaker31:44

       Yeah. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       Like, that's not what the job is. The job is you're a gardener. Gardener doesn't make $5 million a year. Like, this is, you're kinda being crazy. And then you, you get people that take advantage of you, where you get a bill and you're like, "Why does it cost this much?" Like, this is ki- Like, I have a friend who's very wealthy, he's a businessman, and he goes over every fucking little thing that people charge him.

   28. SPSpeaker32:07

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       And he's always looking for, "They're fucking trying to overcharge me." He gets-

   30. SPSpeaker32:11

       Signs his own checks.
8. 34:46 – 42:44

   How Arsenio rewired late night: no desk, cultural looseness, and political relevance

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:46

      Well, a lot of the young guys don't understand what you did because what your show was, like, back in, I guess ... When was it, when did it first come on the air? What year?

   2. SPSpeaker34:57

      Probably, uh, Coming to America was, like, '86, '87. I left New York and went and started this show, so '87, '88, sometime around in there. I'm bad with years.

   3. JRJoe Rogan35:05

      Yeah. During that time, and in the, the '90s, it changed the whole landscape of late night television. Like, completely changed it. Because late night television was stiff, you know? It was like, you have a, a fucking, the desk. The desk made no sense to me. Like-

   4. SPSpeaker35:22

      I talk, I talk about the desk and how I got rid of it. But, but-

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:26

      It made no sense.

   6. SPSpeaker35:26

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:26

      But you ... What, I was like, "Oh, finally, he got rid of the desk."

   8. SPSpeaker35:29

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan35:29

      The fucking de- Are, are, are we being lectured? Are you, am I in the-

   10. SPSpeaker35:32

       Yeah

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:32

       ... principal's office? Like, what is, what is the fucking desk for?

   12. SPSpeaker35:35

       Exactly.

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:35

       But when they first started doing that in the 1950s, if you went to work, you had a desk.

   14. SPSpeaker35:39

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:40

       You had to wear a tie.

   16. SPSpeaker35:41

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:41

       You had a desk, and they all smoked cigarettes while they were out on the job.

   18. SPSpeaker35:45

       Oh, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:45

       You know, you watch, like, the Johnny Carson show.

   20. SPSpeaker35:47

       During commercials, Johnny would go under his desk-

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:49

       Mm-hmm

   22. SPSpeaker35:49

       ... get a cigarette.

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:51

       Yeah.

   24. SPSpeaker35:51

       He would-

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:51

       Well, they would often smoke on air. They would do it all the time back then.

   26. SPSpeaker35:55

       That's crazy.

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:55

       They all smoked cigarettes back then.

   28. SPSpeaker35:56

       How about planes? How about the fact that we could get on a plane to go to a gig, and there was a row behind us where smoking began.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:03

       Right.

   30. SPSpeaker36:04

       And-
9. 42:44 – 48:48

   Everyone has a ‘show’ now: YouTube, short attention spans, and the end of shared TV moments

   1. SPSpeaker42:44

      You could poke the person. Uh, now we have a different era where everyone can do talk. I saw Mike Epps talking on his back from his bed the other day-

   2. JRJoe Rogan42:56

      [laughs]

   3. SPSpeaker42:57

      ... holding his phone above him.And that's when it hit me. It's like, now we have a hard time finding a guest that doesn't have a show.

   4. JRJoe Rogan43:04

      Right.

   5. SPSpeaker43:05

      We can-- Anyone can have a show now.

   6. JRJoe Rogan43:07

      Yeah. Yeah.

   7. SPSpeaker43:08

      And that's kinda cool.

   8. JRJoe Rogan43:09

      It is kinda cool. And it's just like sh- and you find your own... As long as you do it long enough and you put the right attention to it and do it honestly, you'll find your own lane.

   9. SPSpeaker43:21

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan43:21

       You find your own way of doing things.

   11. SPSpeaker43:22

       I have friends who have children who have shows.

   12. JRJoe Rogan43:25

       Mm.

   13. SPSpeaker43:26

       Makeup tutorials and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan43:27

       Right

   15. SPSpeaker43:28

       ... successful things going on in their bedroom.

   16. JRJoe Rogan43:30

       One of the biggest shows on YouTube for a long time was a kid that was, like, unboxing toys.

   17. SPSpeaker43:36

       Oh, that's cool.

   18. JRJoe Rogan43:37

       And it was... Sort of. But then-

   19. SPSpeaker43:38

       [laughs]

   20. JRJoe Rogan43:38

       ... they started monetizing it, and I think, you know, as soon as your parents start making all that money off of you opening toy boxes, shit gets weird. It's weird for kids to get famous, period. But, but it was just like no one had thought that out, like, that there would be a lot of people that were interested in you watching toys.

   21. SPSpeaker43:58

       Yeah. Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan43:59

       Like, there's a lot of shows that I watch on YouTube that it's just people cooking.

   23. SPSpeaker44:03

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan44:04

       I just, I love watching people on YouTube.

   25. SPSpeaker44:05

       I watched a lady cook with big titties and-

   26. JRJoe Rogan44:09

       [laughs]

   27. SPSpeaker44:09

       ... and, uh, uh, just an apron, you know.

   28. JRJoe Rogan44:11

       [laughs]

   29. SPSpeaker44:12

       And, you know, side boobage be coming out.

   30. JRJoe Rogan44:14

       That's a, that's a trick. [laughs]
10. 48:48 – 1:05:20

    Politics, polarization, and ‘misdirection’: money, Epstein, and the two-party trap

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:48

       So also Bill Clinton, I wish Bill Clinton didn't have so many problems 'cause I would like to talk to him. I would love to have to sit down with him on a podcast.

    2. SPSpeaker48:57

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:57

       You know, the problem is, like, how do you sit down and not talk about all the chaos and all the nutty shit and the Epstein files and all the other shit. Like, you kinda almost have to talk about it.

    4. SPSpeaker49:07

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan49:07

       So it's too bad.Because I think he's a fascinating person, and I think he's one of the greatest presidents of all time for sure. And if you go back and look at what he accomplished during his administration, they balanced the budget. That was, like, one of the first times in the history of this fucking country that we didn't have a gigantic debt. Now our debt's, like, 39 trillion.

    6. SPSpeaker49:29

       Mm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan49:29

       It's crazy.

    8. SPSpeaker49:30

       And, and-

    9. JRJoe Rogan49:31

       Like, everybody's so bad at balancing the budget, and you go back and listen to him talk when he was running for president, he's, like, super sensible. Like-

    10. SPSpeaker49:38

        Yeah

    11. JRJoe Rogan49:38

        ... everything he said made sense. The-

    12. SPSpeaker49:40

        And didn't he move a little to the right?

    13. JRJoe Rogan49:43

        Well, I mean, it wasn't to the right. It was just sensible. Like, what is to the right and what is to the left?

    14. SPSpeaker49:48

        Well, it's, it's-

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:48

        It doesn't mean anything anymore

    16. SPSpeaker49:49

        ... it's accepting that a lot of things are valuable that are not a part of your party's philosophy.

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:57

        Mm.

    18. SPSpeaker49:57

        I think we have to be willing to compromise and move a little bit. Uh, and, and that goes for all politicians. We have to be able to move a little bit-

    19. JRJoe Rogan50:05

        Yeah

    20. SPSpeaker50:05

        ... to be logical and serve all of America.

    21. JRJoe Rogan50:09

        For sure. But I think w- the problem is parties all have to agree, and they, then they form ideologies that you cannot stray from. So if you're one of those people that says, like, "Hey, maybe an open border's a bad idea because terrorists can come through." Like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, there's, no one's illegal on stolen land." You know, you get-

    22. SPSpeaker50:29

        Mm

    23. JRJoe Rogan50:29

        ... everybody gets crazy because there's a party line that you have to stick with. This is today. Today, things are incredibly polarizing. But if you go back and listen to some of the things that Clinton was saying when he was running for president and when he was president, boy, these are, like, almost right-wing talking points in a lot of way. But they're not-

    24. SPSpeaker50:47

        See?

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:47

        But it's not really-

    26. SPSpeaker50:47

        A, a little to the right

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:48

        ... but it's not really right wing. It's just sensible. Like, what is right and what is left? Left used to be, um, first of all, freedom of speech was, uh, of paramount importance. It u- used to be that they were very open-minded. It used to be, like, uh, the, that education was of crucial importance, and that discourse was crucially important, and that you have to look out for citizens in, in sense of, like, s- having social safety nets and having welfare programs and, and food stamps, and all those things are, which are really important for a society because not everybody is in the same position in life. And if we're a community of people, which is what a country's supposed to be, you're supposed to look out for everyone. You know? That, that's sensible.

    28. SPSpeaker51:33

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan51:33

        That's what the left used to be, and then it became trans women are women, men can get pregnant. Like, oh, geez.

    30. SPSpeaker51:39

        And, and by the way, when you deal with left and right, you have to almost attach a year because we've seen parties change.
11. 1:05:20 – 1:09:51

    Modern club life vs. TikTok dances: danger, violence, and the end of “going out”

    1. SPSpeaker1:05:20

       I was in a club as a young man on Sunset, left The Comedy Store, went down the street to a place called Carlos & Charlie's, and back then they had, uh, this garment called a tube top.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:05:31

       Oh, yeah.

    3. SPSpeaker1:05:31

       It was just an elastic-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:05:33

       Mm-hmm

    5. SPSpeaker1:05:33

       ... about, an elastic piece about eight inches d- or depending on your breasts. And, um, I watched a dude take his finger and just pull a girl's tube top down, titties fell out.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:05:44

       [laughs]

    7. SPSpeaker1:05:44

       And I'm watching her man. He didn't know what to do, you know, because you don't wanna fight these guys.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:05:52

       Right.

    9. SPSpeaker1:05:52

       You almost wanna s- just say, "Baby, just pull up your top and let's go home," you know? [laughs]

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:05:56

        Yeah.

    11. SPSpeaker1:05:56

        But he had to fight.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:05:57

        Yeah.

    13. SPSpeaker1:05:58

        And, uh, in that situation, I, I think you have to fight.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:06:02

        Yeah, but you just definitely shouldn't be there in the first place. That's the problem with going to clubs.

    15. SPSpeaker1:06:07

        You're at the wrong club.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:06:08

        The, the running into the, the potential psychopath-

    17. SPSpeaker1:06:11

        Mm-hmm

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:06:12

        ... is just too... Like, that's where they go. Where people act like cunts, that's where they go.

    19. SPSpeaker1:06:18

        When is the last time you went to a club?

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:06:19

        Oh, I never go to clubs. Never.

    21. SPSpeaker1:06:21

        Yeah, it's been a long time for me. I mean, there is no club for 70-year-olds.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:06:24

        No, no, no, no, no.

    23. SPSpeaker1:06:25

        You know, that's called AARP. [laughs]

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:06:26

        Well, if you do go, it's sad. If you're the-

    25. SPSpeaker1:06:28

        Yeah, you don't wanna be the oldest dude

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:30

        ... guy at the bar.

    27. SPSpeaker1:06:31

        Yeah. [laughs]

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:31

        "Hey, ladies."

    29. SPSpeaker1:06:32

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:32

        "What is fucking grandpa doing here?"
12. 1:09:51 – 1:19:17

    Behind the scenes of Arsenio’s show: music costs, reboot frustrations, and PR control

    1. SPSpeaker1:09:51

       Well, well that's the, that's that gap between me and you as talkers. Um, one of the problems I had, and I talk in the book about this, I love music, and I grew up wanting to do that show. So when they start telling me, "You know, you can get better numbers with Howie Mandel just talking than you can with this..." 'Cause I put Boyz II Men and The Temptations together once. I had to fly Boyz II Men from Philly. I had... You know, and, and they wanted it less Black, and now I got 14 brothers doing choreography [laughs]

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:10:26

       [laughs]

    3. SPSpeaker1:10:26

       You know, and it's like, "No, that's not what we need."

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:10:27

       They wanted it less Black?

    5. SPSpeaker1:10:29

       Well-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:10:29

       Like, they would say shit like that to you?

    7. SPSpeaker1:10:30

       Oh, yeah. They, they, they wanted, um... This is the carrot. They said, "We know Johnny's gonna leave one day." You know, you always think it's gonna be two years.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:10:42

       Oh.

    9. SPSpeaker1:10:42

       "So you can inherit his audience if you do the right show."

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:10:45

        Oh.

    11. SPSpeaker1:10:45

        But I, Joe-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:10:47

        You're not crazy

    13. SPSpeaker1:10:47

        ... I, I, I used to do the talk show in my basement, man, and we'd put on a Temptations record, and my friend Junior would be my guest, and he would sing Get Ready. And on Soul Train, they lip sync. We knew the microphones wasn't plugged in.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:10:59

        Right

    15. SPSpeaker1:10:59

        And so he would sing, and then I'd interview him. I wanted to do that show, but-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:11:04

        You were doing that when you were young?

    17. SPSpeaker1:11:05

        Oh, yeah. Yeah

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:11:05

        When did you... How old were you when you were doing that?

    19. SPSpeaker1:11:07

        Uh, 11.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:11:09

        Really?

    21. SPSpeaker1:11:09

        Yeah. My mother would have rent parties, and so she'd rent these card tables and chairs. And the people, like in LA, we call it town and country, right? The, you can rent stuff for your party. So the next day, they come and pick up the stuff in a truck. But before they'd pick it up, I would do a talk show with that stuff. And, um, I dreamed of everything that I did eventually in my life.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:11:33

        Wow

    23. SPSpeaker1:11:34

        And it was, it was, um, the show I wanted to do. So at a certain point when they say, um, "Does Prince need a purple piano?" You know [laughs]

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:11:44

        [laughs]

    25. SPSpeaker1:11:44

        I said, "Yeah, he want a purple piano." And the show I was doing was just too expensive. And you and I talked once at the Ice House when I tried to do the Reboot show.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:11:54

        Yeah

    27. SPSpeaker1:11:54

        And I was telling you how complicated it was. They wanted my Twitter site. They don't want to-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:11:58

        They took your... I was telling people, they took over your fucking social media, and they wouldn't give it back.

    29. SPSpeaker1:12:03

        Yeah, it was hard to get back. It-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:12:04

        That's crazy. I remember you telling me that. We were standing outside the outside area of the Ice House, and you were like, "I can't get my fucking social media back." I'm like, "That's crazy. They took your social media."
13. 1:19:17 – 1:34:02

    Prince stories: genius, contracts, humor, and the cost of performance

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:19:17

       Yeah. No, Prince w- Prince was one of the most revolutionary artists ever, and people that don't know the early stuff, they don't know how crazy it was that this guy was... To have a song called "Head" [laughs] .

    2. SPSpeaker1:19:31

       Yeah, yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:19:31

       Just singing about getting head.

    4. SPSpeaker1:19:33

       First time I saw him, he was opening for The Rolling Stones.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:19:37

       Wow.

    6. SPSpeaker1:19:38

       And the audience didn't dig him, because it was different back then, and he was singing soft and wet.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:19:43

       Right.

    8. SPSpeaker1:19:44

       [laughs]

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:19:45

       Right. Well, Prince was just, he was so unique, man.

    10. SPSpeaker1:19:48

        And he predicted a lot of the things that we're dealing with now and going through. I remember the first time he talked about what became Napster, and he talked about, uh, um, owning your own property and what was gonna ha- and slave on his jaw, and we thought that was silly.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:20:03

        Mm-hmm.

    12. SPSpeaker1:20:04

        But it meant something.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:20:05

        Well, he was dealing with these crazy contracts where these record companies, these predatory record companies, would lock you into these contracts, and they fucking owned you. So his response to that was like, "Okay, I won't perform as Prince anymore. Now I'm fucking this shit."

    14. SPSpeaker1:20:21

        Yeah, yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:20:21

        "I'm this squiggly-

    16. SPSpeaker1:20:23

        I'm a symbol-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:20:23

        I'm a symbol

    18. SPSpeaker1:20:23

        ... with a slave-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:20:24

        Yeah

    20. SPSpeaker1:20:25

        ... uh, insignia on my jaw."

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:20:26

        What are you gonna do now? I'm a symbol. I'm not even selling myself as Prince.

    22. SPSpeaker1:20:29

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:20:29

        And he would just... I mean, how revolutionary is that? This guy had said, "Okay, I know the workaround. I won't use my name anymore. I'll just be a symbol."

    24. SPSpeaker1:20:38

        He was a bad dude, man.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:20:39

        And, but he was such a bad motherfucker that people are like, "I know who that is. I don't care what that fucking symbol is. That's Prince. Let him sing."

    26. SPSpeaker1:20:47

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:20:47

        "Let him do things."

    28. SPSpeaker1:20:48

        Did you ever meet him?

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:20:49

        No, man.

    30. SPSpeaker1:20:50

        I, I, I-
14. 1:34:02 – 1:55:12

    Comedy legends and the Store: Paul Mooney, Pryor, and learning in the back of the room

    1. SPSpeaker1:34:02

       Me, him, and Paulie. That's the one thing I loved about her. You know how we have nepo babies? She didn't have no nepo babies. She was like, "Paulie, you're not ready."

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:34:12

       Yeah. Oh, she would make it work.

    3. SPSpeaker1:34:13

       And sent his ass to Westwood.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:34:14

       Oh, she made Paulie work, yeah. I mean, Paulie's a rare dude in that regard. Like, he became a really funny comedian while he was, you know, living with a woman who's the great... As, as... In terms of, like, people in comedy that are, like, the, some of the most critical, important people, she's the most important person in the history of comedy that's not a comic.

    5. SPSpeaker1:34:38

       Absolutely. There, there is no argument.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:34:40

       No argument.

    7. SPSpeaker1:34:41

       Mm-mm.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:34:41

       There's no one even close to her. And her son, you know, I mean, went on to have huge success in films-

    9. SPSpeaker1:34:47

       I took-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:34:47

        ... and movies and-

    11. SPSpeaker1:34:48

        I took Mitzi... Remember when we had the Universal Amphitheatre?

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:34:51

        Mm-hmm.

    13. SPSpeaker1:34:51

        I got tickets and took Mitzi to see Paulie open for Sam Kinison.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:34:58

        Wow.

    15. SPSpeaker1:34:59

        And, uh, it just blew her away, 'cause she had never seen him in that large environment, and it was really cool-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:35:05

        That's awesome

    17. SPSpeaker1:35:05

        ... to watch her watch her son.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:35:06

        Well, she let, she let him grow the right way, you know? She didn't, she didn't give him a silver spoon.

    19. SPSpeaker1:35:13

        By the way-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:35:13

        She made him figure it out

    21. SPSpeaker1:35:13

        ... Mitzi Shore started the Comedy Store, and she's the mother of Paulie Shore. 'Cause I say Mitzi to you-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:35:19

        Right

    23. SPSpeaker1:35:20

        ... like it's a cousin.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:35:21

        Right. Well, we talk about her so much. I think a lot of people listening know. But she's the most important person in comedy that wasn't a comic, and more important than most comedians. Like, she would tell you how to do it right. And if she liked you, man, it was like-

    25. SPSpeaker1:35:36

        She'd tell you how to do it in her opinion.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:35:41

        Yeah.

    27. SPSpeaker1:35:41

        I've seen her tell some people some crazy shit.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:35:43

        Oh, yeah. She was not right-

    29. SPSpeaker1:35:44

        Yeah

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:35:44

        ... a lot of times.
15. 1:55:12 – 2:20:26

    Phones, parenting, and resilience: latchkey kids vs. the tracked generation

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:55:12

       It's weird that y- it took l- l- it wasn't even 10 years, and then everybody just got accustomed to having a phone with them all the time. Like, there, there was ... Think about, like, the difference between, like, it was probably, like, what is it, like, '97, '98 when everybody r- had those Motorolas.

    2. SPSpeaker1:55:31

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:55:32

       Right? It was around then.

    4. SPSpeaker1:55:33

       Oh.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:55:33

       Right?

    6. SPSpeaker1:55:33

       Yeah. Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:55:34

       It was around then, like, '96, '97.

    8. SPSpeaker1:55:37

       My friends laughed at me. My first phone was in a Halliburton briefcase, and you opened the silver Halliburton briefcase, take the phone out, and the phone was maybe 10 inches, you know, with a-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:55:49

       Mm-hmm

    10. SPSpeaker1:55:50

        ... w- and, and I had an antenna that screwed on the outside of the briefcase, 'cause you had this big possum tail-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:55:56

        Yeah

    12. SPSpeaker1:55:57

        ... uh, antenna.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:55:57

        I had one on the roof of my car-

    14. SPSpeaker1:55:59

        Oh, yeah

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:56:00

        ... in 1989.

    16. SPSpeaker1:56:01

        Yeah. You, you ... Wow. Ba- b- back then, I couldn't imagine that kids would be watching

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:56:09

        ... movies on the phone

    18. SPSpeaker1:56:11

        Right. Playing games, watching movies.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:56:13

        Yeah.

    20. SPSpeaker1:56:13

        And that would be most of their social life was communicating through that thing.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:56:16

        Yeah. Yeah, remember there was a time when dudes said to each other, "Yo, he got a strong rap, man. His pimp hand is crazy. He can get a bitch in a second," you know, and then bah, bah, bah, he's, he can talk. And now young men don't know what the fuck to say to a woman leaning against a wall at a club, you know, because-

    22. SPSpeaker1:56:32

        No, they have dating apps now.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:56:33

        Yeah, swipe left.

    24. SPSpeaker1:56:33

        They're just swiping.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:56:34

        Yeah.

    26. SPSpeaker1:56:35

        Crazy. But it... What I was gonna get at, like how quickly the culture changed from s- let's just say '98 when most, a lot of people had a phone, at least half the people had a phone on them. 2008, everybody had a phone.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:56:49

        Mm-hmm.

    28. SPSpeaker1:56:50

        2018, you'd be crazy to not have a phone.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:56:53

        Yeah.

    30. SPSpeaker1:56:53

        20 years, like that.
16. 2:20:26 – 2:25:20

    Career paths and the craft: road work, opening for musicians, and the fear of live performance

    1. SPSpeaker2:20:26

       So you went from Boston to New York.

    2. JRJoe Rogan2:20:28

       Boston to New York.

    3. SPSpeaker2:20:29

       And Catch a Rising Star. Where'd you work out in New York in those days?

    4. JRJoe Rogan2:20:32

       Well, I did, uh, the Boston Comedy Club, the, you know, the little place-

    5. SPSpeaker2:20:36

       Mm-hmm

    6. JRJoe Rogan2:20:36

       ... that Barry Katz had.

    7. SPSpeaker2:20:37

       Mm-hmm.

    8. JRJoe Rogan2:20:37

       I did, uh, The Cellar.

    9. SPSpeaker2:20:40

       That's-

    10. JRJoe Rogan2:20:40

        I did-

    11. SPSpeaker2:20:40

        ... Jay Mohr's manager, right?

    12. JRJoe Rogan2:20:42

        Yes.

    13. SPSpeaker2:20:42

        Barry Katz.

    14. JRJoe Rogan2:20:42

        I did, um, Catch a Rising Star back when that was there. I did, um, oh-Was there a few other-

    15. SPSpeaker2:20:49

        Comic strip?

    16. JRJoe Rogan2:20:50

        Yeah, I did the strip. Yeah. I did the clubs in town. I did Dangerfield's a lot.

    17. SPSpeaker2:20:55

        Mm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan2:20:56

        But honestly, when I lived in New York, I really liked doing the road more because when I did the road, I could make money. So like I came up in Boston, and in Boston, you made a lot of your money not in the clubs in town, but you made a lot of your money in like the bar shows, you know, outside of town in the suburbs.

    19. SPSpeaker2:21:14

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan2:21:14

        And the thing about that is like you could headline, and so you could do 45 minutes-

    21. SPSpeaker2:21:19

        Mm

    22. JRJoe Rogan2:21:19

        ... or an hour, and that, that allowed me to grow and like to really-

    23. SPSpeaker2:21:23

        Stretch out

    24. JRJoe Rogan2:21:24

        ... become a headliner.

    25. SPSpeaker2:21:25

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan2:21:25

        Whereas like I found like a lot of the New York comics that I would go on the road with, when I would work with them, even when I was a middle act and they were a headliner, they had like these 10 and 15 minute sets that they'd stitch together to put, to make an hour. Whereas the guys that I worked with in Boston, like the big headliners in Boston, they had a real hour. Like that fucking, that was an hour of thunder. You know?

    27. SPSpeaker2:21:48

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan2:21:48

        They had a beginning, a middle, and an end, and it was like tight. It was tight.

    29. SPSpeaker2:21:53

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:21:54

        And I felt like I could do sets in New York, but I don't think it's really helping my career, right? There's no one there to see me. I r- I felt like I'm gonna make money. Like, I could do a set in New York and I make 25 bucks.

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