Andy Stumpf on Joe Rogan: Why SEALs Still Drown in Training

1. 0:02 – 2:47

   Andy’s book launch and the myth of the “self-made” person

   1. SPSpeaker0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

   2. SPSpeaker0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. SPSpeaker0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Being a pacifist is the way. Avoid violence at all costs, you know what I mean, Joe?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Allegedly.

   5. SPSpeaker0:16

      [laughs]

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Look at you, dog, you're a fucking author.

   7. SPSpeaker0:18

      Just take it easy. I'm not an author until tomorrow, technically. [laughs]

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Oh. [laughs] No, you're an author once it's wr- I can read it, which makes you an author. I have a book in my hand-

   9. SPSpeaker0:27

      Yeah

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... which makes you an author.

   11. SPSpeaker0:29

       I tell you what, man, you had more of a, you had more of a hand in that book than you would think.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Really?

   13. SPSpeaker0:35

       Um, every... You know, before we started, I had you sign one of the copies because I'm gonna keep it for myself, and the people's names who associated themself with that, who took a chance on me in supporting me, they have just as much as hands as the monkey who may or may not have been sitting in front of the computer writing out the words very slowly.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Well, isn't that the case with everything in life, though? I mean-

   15. SPSpeaker0:56

       Yeah

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       ... it's, it's really who you know and, like, the people that you associate, associate with and what you learn from them, and their examples, with everything. And then there's no individuals that are responsible entirely for their own life.

   17. SPSpeaker1:09

       There are individuals, though, that would tell you that they are.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       [laughs] Yeah, but you... Those are the, those are the people that I don't hang out with.

   19. SPSpeaker1:17

       Yeah. I can't, I can't suffer being in the presence of somebody who thinks that they had every idea and every right decision was theirs. Because I look at my own life, and one, I can't compete with that because my life is defined by its mistakes and idiotic things I've done. Uh, but two, I just, I don't get it. I'm a, I'm a product of the people who I was raised by, the people I was around, the people still in my life. I mean...

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       100%.

   21. SPSpeaker1:38

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       We all are. The... If you don't think that, you're delusional. The, if... You cannot have an exceptional person that's surrounded by dipshits. They, they just won't... Eventually they'll give in to dipshittery. It's contagious.

   23. SPSpeaker1:53

       Ne-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       Negative, negative people-

   25. SPSpeaker1:55

       You really got me thinking, though, if that is possible. I'm trying to think of an example. [laughs]

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it's impossible. It could be possible, but it's very highly unlikely. And also-

   27. SPSpeaker2:03

       Yeah

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       ... they didn't achieve their full potential if that's the case. They would've been even better-

   29. SPSpeaker2:07

       Yeah

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       ... if they had been ex- surrounded by exceptional people.
2. 2:47 – 4:54

   How Joe books guests: instinct, curiosity, and filtering the noise

   1. SPSpeaker2:47

      I'm like s- I'm like, "Just wait. It's amazing." And I mean, could you have ever thought, though, at JRE 1, where I feel like that was you on a, a laptop video c-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:56

      Yeah

   3. SPSpeaker2:56

      ... Yeah, 100%.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:57

      It was. Yeah, 100%. Yeah.

   5. SPSpeaker2:58

      And to where you are now, where you are, like, sitting down and talking to some of the most influential people on the face of planet Earth.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:04

      No. I mean, I mean, I think if I planned it out like that, it would've never worked. You know?

   7. SPSpeaker3:09

      You would've tried too hard, maybe?

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:10

      I don't know what I would've done. I mean, I probably would've been more careful, which would've made it less fun, which would've made it less attractive. You know, I think, uh, the two things that I've done that are really important is not pay attention to much online talk about me, and just follow my interests and my instincts.

   9. SPSpeaker3:31

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Like, I, I book the, the whole thing entirely on instinct. I look at, like, the, the, all the different suggestions that come in and all the different requests to be on the show, and I go, "No. Maybe. Huh? Why is that? Huh."

   11. SPSpeaker3:45

       Purely on self-interest?

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:46

       100%.

   13. SPSpeaker3:47

       I think that's the way. What do you get per day, like, ballpark, people trying-

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       Oh

   15. SPSpeaker3:52

       ... to get on your show?

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       I don't even know because I have a really good guy that filters out a lot of them.

   17. SPSpeaker3:56

       I bet it's gotta be in the hundreds.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       Yeah. No, I'm sure. Yeah. But he filters out a lot of them.

   19. SPSpeaker4:02

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       And it gets down to, you know, like, what I... He, he knows me really well, and so he, you know, sends me-

   21. SPSpeaker4:09

       Yeah

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       ... like, some physicist is working on some new thing, some quantum thing, this, that, the other thing. Like, there's a new person that's doing this, and there's new research on that, and then there's-

   23. SPSpeaker4:20

       Yeah

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       ... that kind of shit.

   25. SPSpeaker4:21

       Yeah. I think the difference between you and me is I appreciate the fact you can hold a conversation with those people. I would be sitting there listening to them with, like, the scroll wheel on, on-

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       Yeah. [laughs]

   27. SPSpeaker4:32

       ... back. Like, do you have words that are smaller that could explain that to me? [laughs]

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Well, some of them I have to really prepare for. Like, you know, if I have, like, a Brian Cox on or something like that, I'll really prepare. You know? Or, you know, there's been a few people over the, over time where I, I knew they were coming on, like, three months out, so I've, I've read a couple of their books. I watched a few of their lectures. I wa- you know?

   29. SPSpeaker4:54

       Yeah.

3. 4:54 – 15:48

   Evan Hafer, alpha-gal syndrome, and how tick bites can rewrite your diet

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:54

      But then there's other ones, like, I could just hang out, hang out with them. You know, like Evan, Evan Hafer comes on. We just shoot the shit.

   2. SPSpeaker5:01

      Angry, small French painter.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:04

      [laughs]

   4. SPSpeaker5:04

      Fucking Green Berets. [laughs]

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      [laughs] He's the best. I love that dude.

   6. SPSpeaker5:08

      I was with him at the, uh, Montana grand opening, Montana Knife Company grand opening of their new HQ. It's... We've been on the road a bit. I think, like, two days ago. He's one of my favorite people. Absolutely. He's so wee-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:19

      Yeah

   8. SPSpeaker5:19

      ... but he's one of my favorite people.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      He's an awesome human.

   10. SPSpeaker5:21

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       A very unusual human being. And, you know, he's one of the ones that's suffering from that stupid fucking alpha gal bite. He's got that tick.

   12. SPSpeaker5:30

       Oh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       He got bit by that tick that makes you allergic to red meat.

   14. SPSpeaker5:33

       Is it all red meat or processed red meat?

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:35

       It's animal meat. It's mammal meat. That's the thing. You could eat some fish. Some people can eat fish. Some people can eat chicken. He's broken it down to only eating eggs right now. That's how bad it is. He's getting all of his protein from eggs, which is a great source of protein, no doubt, but, um-

   16. SPSpeaker5:53

       That's exhaustingly boring, though.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       Just go to dinner with him. It's crazy.The guy has to eat vegetables and eggs. That's all he can eat.

   18. SPSpeaker6:00

       God, I would just mock him incessantly to his face.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:02

       [laughs] I know you would.

   20. SPSpeaker6:03

       [laughs]

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       I take the opposite approach.

   22. SPSpeaker6:06

       Do you guys have a larger salad?

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       Yeah.

   24. SPSpeaker6:08

       No, I mean, I w- I would mock him that way 'cause I care for him so deeply. He is truly, like, one of my closest friends. He is ... He's an awesome dude.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:15

       Yeah, and so he's been battling this for a couple years now. So he, he got clear of it, and, uh, he was eating meat again, and he was fine, and he thought it was over, and then it came back.

   26. SPSpeaker6:25

       Hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       It came back with a vengeance. And it's, it's a weird fucking disease, because I've ... Let's find out. Put this into Perplexity. Uh, what, uh, what is the most, w- w- what is, as far as, like, the documented cases of this alpha-gal syndrome, when did it first, uh, start occurring in the United States? 'Cause I had never even heard about it until Evan. When he told me about it, I was like, "What? You got a ... Allergic to red meat?"

   28. SPSpeaker6:55

       And how can a tick bite cause that? I mean, Lyme disease is another one. Like, how does it do that?

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       Yeah.

   30. SPSpeaker7:00

       A bite from a tick just jacks up the human body that bad.
4. 15:48 – 21:45

   Cold plunge vs sauna: discomfort tolerance, physiology, and women’s cold response

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:48

      That's the thing that you, you will see from ex-fighters and even ex-military guys. Like, what they endured when they were young was so brutal that as they get older, they avoid any discomfort at all. They get fat, and they just wanna drink and be lazy, and you're like, how did you go from being that fucking beast to this slob? And, you know, they still, in their mind, they're still a beast, you know, because, "I did this, and I was a world champion," and, like, like, a big fucking belly.

   2. SPSpeaker16:16

      Yeah, they can't see their dick when they're naked anymore.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:18

      Weird.

   4. SPSpeaker16:19

      Uh, it's ... I don't have any stats on how common that is.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:22

      But it, but you're s- But it's because they stop doing it.

   6. SPSpeaker16:25

      Correct.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:25

      Right.

   8. SPSpeaker16:26

      I mean, laziness affects everybody, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:27

      Yeah.

   10. SPSpeaker16:27

       Everybody thinks that you come from the special operations world and you're defined by discipline for the rest of your life. No, you're, you're still a human being at the end of the day-

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Oh

   12. SPSpeaker16:34

       ... behind the curtain. And, you know, gravity wants to keep guys like that on the couch just as much as everybody else.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       Yeah.

   14. SPSpeaker16:40

       But I think you realize the utility of not allowing that to happen.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       Some people do.

   16. SPSpeaker16:44

       Some people do. But I mean, that's true of every occupation in life.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Sure.

   18. SPSpeaker16:47

       You know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Yep. Yep.

   20. SPSpeaker16:48

       Maybe it's a little bit more uncommon for people to see those that came from that, o-one of those occupations, but yeah, they're out there.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Yeah, I think that's probably in everything. In the medical world, I'm sure there's guys that, like, really paid attention in college-

   22. SPSpeaker17:01

       Yeah

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       ... and then they're kinda half-assing it as doctors.

   24. SPSpeaker17:04

       Yeah, for sure.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       Yeah. It's like the difficulty of the grind, sometimes you get through it, and then you just go, "I don't wanna ever fucking do that again." Like, I know guys who are former Navy SEALs will not get in a fucking ice bath because they're cold.

   26. SPSpeaker17:18

       Yeah, I'm one of those. Hi. Nice to meet you.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       [laughs]

   28. SPSpeaker17:20

       Why would I consensually do that? [clears throat] No. N-no. And I also-

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       [laughs]

   30. SPSpeaker17:26

       ... wish that they could make a sauna that was just room temperature but had all the health benefits.
5. 21:45 – 26:31

   Drownproof begins: SEAL drownings, VBSS accidents, and why water is unforgiving

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:45

      You suffer enough. You suffer enough. Um, so this book-

   2. SPSpeaker21:50

      Yes, I-

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:50

      ... the title is Drownproof.

   4. SPSpeaker21:52

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:52

      And you were saying before we got started, um, how many Navy SEALs wind up drowning.

   6. SPSpeaker21:58

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:58

      And, uh, that it's actually kind of shocking.

   8. SPSpeaker22:01

      It would be for a community that is supposed to have their roots in a maritime environment. I mean, the SEAL community draws its origins from the UDTs, and the Scouts, and Raiders, and honestly up until 9/11 it was one foot in the water and one foot on land. Like, every operation would start in the water and then you could go onto the land, but you'd probably go back into the water, and almost all the training we did, 9/11, was based around water. Um, and I think... Let's see. Jamie, you could look this up. Uh, two SEALs recently drowned on a ship boarding, a real world ship boarding. Uh, one guy, it seems like in the climb peeled off the ladder and went into the water, and somebody saw him and went in with him because of the concept of being a swim buddy, never to be seen again.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:45

      Ooh.

   10. SPSpeaker22:45

       Yeah. Um, and they-

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:46

       Do they know what ha- what happened to them? Like how?

   12. SPSpeaker22:49

       I mean, it's, uh... [sighs] Yeah, 2024 in the Arabian Sea. Uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:54

       Oh, so he fell off a ship?

   14. SPSpeaker22:56

       Yeah, they... So they were approaching a vessel. I mean, there's a couple ways that you can get on a boat. You can come from a boat and you can climb up, or you can go to from a helicopter and fast rope down, or they could land depending on how big the boat is. So they were coming up alongside, it's called an underway or a VBSS, visit, board, search, and seizure is the technical military term for it, and on the climb up the ladder, um, the guy peeled off, fell off the ladder, and another one went in with him as his swim buddy. If they immediately... And there was, and it maybe still is an ongoing investigation. From my understanding, they saw their head maybe one time up and then they were gone. Their bodies were never recovered. So that would seem to be that they were wearing negatively buoyant equipment, so they were drug down and they probably were not able to activate their, uh, life jackets in time, which is super unfortunate, but the water doesn't give a shit who you are and how much of a badass you are. I think it's one of the most gnarly environments on earth.

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       It really is.

   16. SPSpeaker23:52

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:52

       Every time I go in the ocean and I swim in the ocean, there's this feeling like I think I can make it to shore, but I might not be able to. Like, if you jump off of a boat and you've got, like, a couple of hundred yards to shore-

   18. SPSpeaker24:06

       Yeah

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:07

       ... as you start swimming, you start swimming like, "I'm fine. I'm fine."Oh boy, my heart is going pretty fast here.

   20. SPSpeaker24:14

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:14

       I'm breathing pretty heavy. That's a long way. I'm moving very slowly.

   22. SPSpeaker24:19

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:20

       Like, what if I can't do this?

   24. SPSpeaker24:22

       These are real positive thoughts to have mid- mid-swim here, Joe.

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:25

       Yeah.

   26. SPSpeaker24:25

       [laughs]

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:25

       Not good. Not good. Yeah. It's only happened to me a few times, but-

   28. SPSpeaker24:30

       Yeah

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:30

       ... you know, my friend Greg actually had to save a woman. He was on vacation, and he saw a woman getting caught in the tide, and she was getting pulled out, and-

   30. SPSpeaker24:36

       Oh, like a riptide?
6. 26:31 – 29:09

   Training deaths, standards, and the danger of “fairness” in warfighting jobs

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:31

      How often does that occur, deaths in training?

   2. SPSpeaker26:34

      Oh, probably about every five years. And, uh, it sucks, and what I'm about to say, people won't understand, but I also think it's essential. I don't want it to happen, but I think it probably is essential that it does every once in a while.

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:51

      Because the training has to be so difficult that you get to the brink.

   4. SPSpeaker26:54

      You have to train people for the job that they're gonna be asked to do.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:58

      Right.

   6. SPSpeaker26:58

      And the training standards need to be a directly downstream reflection of what the career is going to be. And I, and I, and I, I don't have the vocabulary to describe how bad I feel for the families, and I'm, and, you know, I'm not trying to minimize anybody's death. But you will lose more people in the real world execution of the job if you don't make training that difficult than you will by making it that dangerous, knowing that it's gonna be that dangerous and that people will die, that will have a positive impact on people surviving the actual job itself.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:30

      That completely makes sense. Um, that's just the realities of life.

   8. SPSpeaker27:35

      Yeah. Some jobs are very unique, and some jobs have very unique requirements, and you have to train for that. Or it's, it's gonna, it's gonna either come for you on the, the front end of that or the, or the tail end of that. That's the balance of which one of those are you gonna focus on.

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:47

      Which is why the lowering of standards is so fucking dangerous. And when it's talked about, like the lowering of standards to make it fair for some applicants, like there's no fair in that job.

   10. SPSpeaker28:01

       I've never seen a bullet change trajectory because, uh, it noticed what you had between your legs and wanted to go be more fair and equitable to somebody else.

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:09

       Yeah.

   12. SPSpeaker28:10

       It's, it doesn't matter in those moments.

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:12

       Nor does the ocean give a fuck-

   14. SPSpeaker28:14

       No

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:14

       ... period.

   16. SPSpeaker28:16

       No, I don't believe it does. Nope. [laughs]

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:18

       It does not give a fuck. But it's, it's so weird when we, we try to apply these workplace equity considerations to something that's as... Like lit... I can't think of a job that requires more of you than war. Like there is, there's, this is literal life or death and taking life. There's no, there's no job that requires more of you. And so you would just automatically assume the standards, especially for special operations guys, have to be the most stringent possible. You have to weed out all the bitches. Like you can't have any bitch in you at all. There's gotta be none. No quit, no nothing, and that's, there's only one way to do that. It has to, you have to make a bunch of people quit.

   18. SPSpeaker29:02

       A lot of the times, the people who are bottom-lining the policy changes don't have a direct impact in the training pipeline themself or the execution of the job.

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:09

       Which is crazy.

7. 29:09 – 34:12

   Military bureaucracy and budget absurdities: audits, spending sprees, and wasting ordnance

   1. SPSpeaker29:09

      Yeah. I mean, it, the military's a bureaucratic system. Even in the special operations world, even at like the JSOC level, [laughs] people would be... It never, never really makes the movie, the amount of paperwork that you end up doing. Like you go on a trip, and you have to collect your receipts and do your travel claim and all this other BS. It's all just shit blowing up, and, you know, you throw a grenade, and it's a fireball the size of a 55-gallon drum of gasoline. And yeah, and then there's two days sitting in front of a computer typing out all of your administrative stuff because of all the bureaucratic restraints that are still involved in all of that. It's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:39

      That doesn't seem smart.

   3. SPSpeaker29:41

      Uh, it's just the way the military system works.

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:43

      Now, is that to somehow or another mitigate potential actions that should not have been done because you have to be so documented? E- everything has to be so laid out? Like-

   5. SPSpeaker29:56

      I mean, there's a lot of, even like the equipment that you wear, oftentimes, well, almost all of it is gonna be serialized, so you are issued that equipment. You're responsible for it. There's paperwork that goes for being issued that if you lose it, which does happen, and it's not gonna be career-ending. Like if, if you went out for a week in a row, and you're like, "Hey, I, uh, I lost my night vision goggles again. I'm gonna need another set of those," you might have a problem. Uh, but shit happens, and people lose gear. But, you know, night vision, weapons, ordnance, ammunition, like a lot of that stuff is serialized, and so it's just the bureaucratic way that even at that level, you still have to keep track of all of that stuff.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:29

      You would think they should hire somebody else to do that

   7. SPSpeaker30:31

      They do, but oftentimes you are in small units, very isolated by yourself, and so you still have to main- Like even in the middle of nowhere, you still [laughs] have to maintain the paperwork aspect of all the stuff that you take with you

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      God, that's kinda crazy.

   9. SPSpeaker30:44

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       That seems like an unnecessary distraction to an already very insanely difficult job

   11. SPSpeaker30:50

       I mean, I'm not saying we do the paperwork well

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       [laughs]

   13. SPSpeaker30:54

       [laughs] I mean, come on, Joe. There's a reason why the DOD has never passed an audit, but I mean-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Ever. [laughs] God, I know. The Pentagon, like how many years in a row has the Pentagon failed their audits?

   15. SPSpeaker31:05

       Like 700. [laughs]

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       [laughs] It really is kinda bonkers.

   17. SPSpeaker31:10

       I believe the Marine Corps-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       Yeah

   19. SPSpeaker31:11

       ... is the only branch of the military that has ever actually done a legitimate audit and passed.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Really?

   21. SPSpeaker31:16

       Those guys are tightened up, man. Those guys... God, I love Marines. They are the best.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       Shout out to the Marines.

   23. SPSpeaker31:21

       They are the best, man.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       Wow.

   25. SPSpeaker31:23

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       They're the only guys who pass the audits. That's crazy.

   27. SPSpeaker31:26

       Yeah. Yeah. The rest of us are just out there like, "Pfft, I think I got it with me."

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       But th- the problem with that is once you don't pass audits and there's a history of you not only not passing audits, but not being punished for not passing audits, that opens up the door. No-

   29. SPSpeaker31:45

       [laughs]

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       ... the Pentagon has never passed, never passed a full, clean, department-wide financial audit of, as of the latest audits. Defense Department is the only one of 24 major federal agencies that has never passed a full financial audit.
8. 34:12 – 42:42

   Weapons and gear realities: the Carl Gustaf, backblast, and what combat tools cost the body

   1. SPSpeaker34:12

      You want, you want some funny stories? Talk to Evan sometime. I bet you he's had this experience. So there's a, uh, a weapon called the Carl Gustaf that if you shoot too many of these things, it's in the manual, it'll start separating the lining in your lungs from your body because you're just... It is just this massive projectile. And you'll go out and do these training evolutions, and they'll say, they, they... Yeah, here we are, the Carl G. Do not stand behind this bad boy when it goes off.

   2. JRJoe Rogan34:39

      So how many can you shoot before it separates the linings of your lungs?

   3. SPSpeaker34:43

      I believe the warning is somewhere around six.

   4. JRJoe Rogan34:46

      [laughs] Jesus Christ.

   5. SPSpeaker34:48

      Oh, Joe, you'll go out to training evolutions, and there'll be five guys, and there's a pallet of ammunition, and they'll say, "You're not leaving here until all these are shot."

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:55

      Oh, my God.

   7. SPSpeaker34:56

      And you're, you're cracking off Carl Gs until you have a nosebleed. Or you'll go out, they have, like, LAW rockets or, uh, you know, uh, when I first went through, it was M60 ammo. They're like, "Yeah, but you guys, the training's not over until you guys shoot all this." But, like, yeah, but we totally did everything we're supposed to. And we're, "Yeah, we understand that, but just go ahead and lay down on the line and shoot these thousands of rounds of ammunition at, at whatever you want to because it's been issued to you, so now you need to go expend it."

   8. JRJoe Rogan35:22

      [exhales] Can you show me one of those things going off, Jamie?

   9. SPSpeaker35:25

      Oh.

   10. JRJoe Rogan35:26

       Carl Gs. I wanna see what, what it looks like.

   11. SPSpeaker35:30

       I tried to talk my wife into naming our next dog Carl G.

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       [exhales] I shot a .50 caliber once, and I was like-

   13. SPSpeaker35:36

       Like a Barrett?

   14. JRJoe Rogan35:37

       Yeah.

   15. SPSpeaker35:37

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:37

       I was like-

   17. SPSpeaker35:38

       How'd that feel?

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       Boom. [laughs]

   19. SPSpeaker35:40

       [laughs]

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:40

       Like, your whole body just goes boom.

   21. SPSpeaker35:43

       Yeah. So this is a two-man evolution here. Look at the size of that bad boy.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:47

       Holy shit.

   23. SPSpeaker35:48

       Close it. Lock it. He's checking the back blast. This guy's like, "Fuck, I'm about to lose my teeth."

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:57

       Here we go. Oh, did he shoot it?

   25. SPSpeaker35:59

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:59

       Oh, I didn't see it.

   27. SPSpeaker36:00

       It's supposed to be essentially recoilless. It doesn't feel like-

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:03

       Well, why didn't they show it?

   29. SPSpeaker36:04

       Uh, they did.

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:05

       Well, show it again.
9. 42:42 – 59:07

   From Afghanistan myths to death rituals: giants, burials, embalming, and funeral scams

   1. JRJoe Rogan42:42

      I got the dumbest question for you about Afghanistan.

   2. SPSpeaker42:45

      Tell me more. [laughs]

   3. JRJoe Rogan42:46

      This is the dumbest question. Um, have you heard of the story of the Kandahar Giant?

   4. SPSpeaker42:55

      Are, are we talking about an actual giant?

   5. JRJoe Rogan42:57

      Uh-huh.

   6. SPSpeaker42:58

      No.

   7. JRJoe Rogan42:59

      Okay.

   8. SPSpeaker42:59

      How did you hear the story about a Kandahar Giant?

   9. JRJoe Rogan43:02

      There's a crazy thing called the internet.

   10. SPSpeaker43:04

       Okay. [laughs]

   11. JRJoe Rogan43:05

       As long as you have that. [laughs]

   12. SPSpeaker43:07

       I may spend-

   13. JRJoe Rogan43:08

       And-

   14. SPSpeaker43:08

       ... less time on the internet than you guys.

   15. JRJoe Rogan43:10

       [laughs] And if you have a good algorithm, and by good I mean retarded-

   16. SPSpeaker43:14

       Yeah

   17. JRJoe Rogan43:14

       ... uh, you get ... So-

   18. SPSpeaker43:17

       Oh, my. [laughs]

   19. JRJoe Rogan43:18

       There was this-

   20. SPSpeaker43:18

       This is a visual representation, obviously not an actual picture.

   21. JRJoe Rogan43:20

       Yes. So there was a story that, uh ... What is the guy's name that was on Jesse Michel's podcast recently?

   22. SPSpeaker43:26

       Oh, I'll find it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan43:27

       Tim ...

   24. SPSpeaker43:28

       I don't remember. I'll check. Um.

   25. JRJoe Rogan43:30

       Uh, so supposedly there was a giant that engaged US troops in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and, uh, in a very remote area.

   26. SPSpeaker43:43

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan43:43

       And this guy was shot and killed, and medevaced out of there or, you know, helicoptered out of there. And, uh, they're a 12-foot giant. Tim, uh, Alberino.

   28. SPSpeaker43:54

       And he was ... Is, was he telling this story as if he was there-

   29. JRJoe Rogan43:57

       No

   30. SPSpeaker43:57

       ... or he heard this?
10. 59:07 – 1:12:36

    Medical corruption, chemo trauma, and COVID/vaccine distrust debates

    1. JRJoe Rogan59:07

       Sure. Yeah. There's people out there that are gross. They're just evil. I'm, I was reading about this guy who was an oncologist who got arrested because he was giving people chemotherapy that didn't really have cancer, because chemotherapy is uniquely profitable for doctors.

    2. ASAndy Stumpf59:22

       Really?

    3. JRJoe Rogan59:22

       Yeah. It's very profitable. So he was telling people that they had cancer, and they did not, and he was giving them chemotherapy, which I have a friend who died recently, and, uh, he went through the first round-

    4. ASAndy Stumpf59:35

       Mm

    5. JRJoe Rogan59:36

       ... of chemotherapy, went into remission, and, uh, the chemotherapy was so bad that when the cancer came back, he decided to just die.

    6. ASAndy Stumpf59:43

       That's how my mom died. She had survived cervical cancer. It metastasized into her lungs 10 years later. Got on the chemo, which I don't know what is in that stuff, but they... You know, the, the platinum treatment, whatever it may be, and had the realization that she was either gonna die from cancer or she was gonna die from the chemotherapy. And she chose hospice just because the ride on the chemotherapy was so horrible that she couldn't take it anymore.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

       My friend said that the pain of brushing his teeth was so intense, like the sores in his mouth from the chemo, and that once cancer went into remission, and then it came back... And by the way, this cancer came very quickly after vaccination. It was one of those where, you know, you can get into that all day long if you want to really get into a deep conspiracy theory that's got some real facts to it, but there's something called SV40, and they found SV40 in some of the mRNA vaccines. SV40 is simian virus 40, and it's a virus that was contracted, that people got because they used kidney s- cells from monkeys in order to, uh, cultivate these vaccines. This was, like, known about for a long time. And, um, in certain batches, they've tested positive for SV40, which is, like, some justLegacy material that they have that they make vaccines out of, and, uh, he was one of the lucky ones.

    8. SPSpeaker1:01:17

       It sucks, man.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Yeah, he was a young dude. You know, he was in his 40s, early 40s. Fit, young guy. Cancer came on like a fucking tidal wave.

    10. SPSpeaker1:01:26

        Just a freight train mowed him down. How much time did he have between diagnosis and death?

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:30

        Well, I got him connected with, uh, Gary Brecka, and Gary Brecka helped him quite a bit, and that's how he, uh, originally got through it, and it got over it. He was okay again and, you know, went into remission. He said he's feeling pretty good, and then, man, it wasn't more than a year and a half, two years later, it came back with a vengeance. And, um, he was dead just, you know, six, six months later.

    12. SPSpeaker1:02:00

        Does it change how you view life, your own life, when that happens close to you?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

        It's just shocking that healthy, fit people get something like that, so... And it happens so quickly. You know, this is, I, you know, like I said, uh, my suspicions is it's connected to the vaccine.

    14. SPSpeaker1:02:17

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

        And, uh, don't, I don't think that everybody who got that mRNA vaccine is gonna die of cancer. That's, I, I, I think it's a contamination issue, that some of the batches had it and some of the batches didn't. But, and then some people react very differently to whatever, whatever's in it. But with him, man, it, it got him. And it's not uncommon. There's, there's a sh- shitload of ignored cases of what they're calling turbo cancer that people have gotten after the mRNA vaccine. Like, it's, it's barely a conspiracy theory. It's more likely an ignored, inconvenient fact that these pharmaceutical drug companies are trying to ignore.

    16. SPSpeaker1:03:00

        Do you think they were trying... Going upstream from that, the pharmaceutical companies or people that were pushing to try to find what perhaps they thought would be the fix to the solution, do you think that they were doing the best that they could and just their enthusiasm outstripped their capabilities, or they pushed stuff a little bit too early? Or was it as deep of as a conspiracy that people think, and that behind the scenes they're trying to reduce overall global population?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:24

        I don't go that way. I don't go to the reduce overall global population. But I do understand why people would think that, because there are, there have been a bunch of people that are pr- supposedly philanthropists, Bill Gates, that have talked about reducing overall population being a goal, and that goal could being... Like, Bill Gates is actually quoted saying that, that goal could be achieved through vaccines. Like, like, what the fuck does that mean, reducing global population through vaccines? How? Well, one way is the... What is it, DDP or DTP vaccine? Diphtheria something and pertussis. Um, so they were caught in Africa, one of the vaccines that they were using on women in Africa, uh, turned out to... It's tetanus, right? Diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis, had HCG in it, which is, uh, an endocrine disruptor. I don't know, uh, what's the exact specific description of it, but it, what it's essentially doing was rendering these women infertile. And so they were supposedly, um, vaccinating them for tetanus and these other diseases, but really what it was doing was they were making these women infertile, and they were experimenting on them, and they were doing this in Africa. You know, they, they like to experiment in places where not a lot of people are watching, and there's not a lot of infrastructure and not a lot of internet connection, and they can, you know, get away with trying stuff on people. So this, this concept of reducing population through vaccination, there's some real world examples of people doing that. But, you know, why? I don't know. I don't think that... I think if you find out about how much money was generated during the, the vaccine pandemic, during the COVID pandemic-

    18. SPSpeaker1:05:19

        Yeah

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:20

        ... that is the most likely scenario. They were just trying to make an enormous amount of money.

    20. SPSpeaker1:05:24

        Do you remember that you and I did the first podcast after the lockdown in LA?

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:30

        Yeah. [laughs]

    22. SPSpeaker1:05:31

        And then I drove, I drove with my wife down to San Diego, and I don't think she had been... Because we got to San Diego in about 17 minutes. [laughs]

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:39

        [laughs] There's no one on the road.

    24. SPSpeaker1:05:41

        And I remember saying to her, "If we come back, which we will, don't expect this..." It was like a ghost town. But we w- we were in LA the day that it locked down. I remember texting you like, "Um, are we good?" You're like, "Yeah, YouTube says we're essential. Let's roll." [laughs]

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:05:57

        [laughs] We're essential.

    26. SPSpeaker1:05:58

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:05:59

        That was what was crazy. There was essential businesses that were allowed to stay open.

    28. SPSpeaker1:06:03

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:06:03

        Restaurants weren't one of them, fucking insanely enough. But fast food places were. Um, so there was cer- places that were as essential, and media was essential, so we were allowed to. Although we did get ratted out. The health department came to our, um, LA studio, and, uh, they made us put a bag of masks on the wall when you go in.

    30. SPSpeaker1:06:22

        [laughs]
11. 1:12:36 – 1:20:49

    Leaving California, Montana life, and the practical limits of electric vehicles in extreme cold

    1. SPSpeaker1:12:36

       Are you glad you left?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:12:37

       Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.

    3. SPSpeaker1:12:39

       You've been here, what? S-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:12:40

       Six years

    5. SPSpeaker1:12:40

       ... six years? You've been in Mon-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:12:41

       Yeah, almost six years.

    7. SPSpeaker1:12:42

       You've been in Montana from nine.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:12:43

       Nice.

    9. SPSpeaker1:12:44

       I can't think of a reason that I'm going to leave.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:12:47

        Yeah.

    11. SPSpeaker1:12:47

        I really can't. It is amazing.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:12:49

        Well, Montana's got so much going on for it. First of all, there's less people, which is relaxing. You feel better.

    13. SPSpeaker1:12:56

        1.1 million people in the state.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:12:58

        That's all of Austin.

    15. SPSpeaker1:13:00

        That's probably a subdivision in Austin. [chuckles]

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:13:01

        Well, it's Austin is a million, and then the surrounding-

    17. SPSpeaker1:13:04

        Yeah

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:13:05

        ... area is another million.

    19. SPSpeaker1:13:06

        We just had a fir- a, a net decrease in population in Montana last year. You're welcome.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:13:10

        Yeah, because all those fucking people that came over because of Yellowstone, they went through a couple of winters, and they're like-

    21. SPSpeaker1:13:14

        And COVID. They're like, "Yeah, this sucks. We're out."

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:13:16

        [laughs]

    23. SPSpeaker1:13:17

        Or that, uh, remote work job is like, "Hey, time to come back to the old office."

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:13:20

        Also, you try driving a electric car when it's fucking 30 below zero outside. That bitch is... Oh, it says you've got 200 miles.

    25. SPSpeaker1:13:29

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:13:29

        Guess what? You got 30.

    27. SPSpeaker1:13:31

        There is one-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:13:32

        You got 30 miles

    29. SPSpeaker1:13:32

        ... Cybertruck where I live.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:13:33

        [laughs]
12. 1:20:49 – 1:26:40

    Fame logistics and UFC fandom: crowds, commentary, and why grappling changed Andy’s viewing

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:20:49

       'Cause Mel was there?

    2. SPSpeaker1:20:51

       Mel w- there was a lot of people there. I just... You know, you've sat down and talked with him. You, you exist in a different orbit than I do. I exist in an orbit of 1.1 million total people that I don't see every day.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:21:01

       In the state. Yeah.

    4. SPSpeaker1:21:02

       In the state. So like I interact with the people I want to. I was not prepared to have a cheese stick and turn around and see the dude from Lethal Weapon standing there.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:21:09

       [laughs]

    6. SPSpeaker1:21:10

       Like, "Hi. I gotta get out of here." And it's-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:21:12

       By the way, if you talk to him, he's a, he is one of the most normal, easy to talk to movie stars you will ever meet.

    8. SPSpeaker1:21:19

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:21:19

       He has no airs about him. He's very easy to talk to.

    10. SPSpeaker1:21:22

        I just don't do good in social situations like that, where like everybody was relatively recognizable. I just, I could sit in the corner and I hang out with my wife and we eat charcuterie.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:21:31

        I get it. I get it. I don't like those things either, believe it or not.

    12. SPSpeaker1:21:35

        It's... Well, I have, I have been... Do you remember the event you did at Performance Archery in San Diego?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:21:42

        Oh yeah. Yeah.

    14. SPSpeaker1:21:43

        I, I didn't realize, uh, I watched you trying to make your way to the bathroom, and it took you about 30 minutes-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:21:52

        [laughs]

    16. SPSpeaker1:21:52

        ... to go 20 feet, and I don't know how you deal with that. I don't, that's, I mean, one, I know you well enough outside of that, like you're a, a genuinely nice person, and you will give people the time to like, because you're appreciative, right, over the fact that they wanna meet you. Like, I totally get that. But also, sometimes you have to piss.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:22:09

        Yeah.

    18. SPSpeaker1:22:10

        I mean, I don't know how any of those people, or maybe you don't, operate, uh, in like in a sense in air quotes of normalcy.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:22:18

        It's not normal, but the way I think of it is like they just like me. It's way better than if they hated me.

    20. SPSpeaker1:22:27

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:22:27

        Way better than if you go into the bathroom and everybody wants to kick your ass. Like they're, I'm going to the bathroom, they just wanna say hi. And for them it's a very unique moment, so I try to reset every time I see a new person, and I try to treat them as if it's like this is a comp- this, for them-

    22. SPSpeaker1:22:44

        Yeah

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:22:44

        ... it's a unique experience. They get to meet... And, and never believe that it, I am unique. You know, don't believe the hype and don't think you are special, but always appreciate the fact that someone else does.

    24. SPSpeaker1:22:57

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:22:57

        And so take the time to say hi. And I can't, the UFCs are hard because I can't. Like sometimes I'm going through the crowd and I, and I have to, like sometimes I'll, I'll leave my commentary seat-

    26. SPSpeaker1:23:09

        Yeah

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:23:09

        ... and then I have to take a piss, and then I have to run back.

    28. SPSpeaker1:23:12

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:23:12

        And then everybody's trying to get a picture while you're, you know, like you're literally going through a crowd of people.

    30. SPSpeaker1:23:16

        You're talking about in between bouts?
13. 1:26:40 – 1:50:56

    Jiu-jitsu injuries, training philosophy, and building durability (neck tools, rehab, strength work)

    1. SPSpeaker1:26:40

       Yeah. Yeah, that is, uh... God, I hate hunting sometimes, like last year.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:26:47

       Did you strike out last year?

    3. SPSpeaker1:26:48

       Oh, no. Even worse. Wounded an elk.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:26:51

       Oh, no.

    5. SPSpeaker1:26:52

       I tell, I think I texted you.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:26:52

       Oh yeah, it's with a rifle too.

    7. SPSpeaker1:26:54

       Yeah. Well, I tell people that I am the Navy SEAL sniper with the most confirmed misses.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:26:58

       [laughs]

    9. SPSpeaker1:26:59

       'Cause I can just smash that trigger back, close your eyes, hold your breath, let it gray out a little bit, and then really just jerk it.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:27:05

        Ugh, that's the worst feeling, when you know you could've done it so much better if you just had taken a little bit more time.

    11. SPSpeaker1:27:11

        It would've been hard for me to do it worse, Joe, if I'm being honest. [laughs]

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:27:16

        Fuck.

    13. SPSpeaker1:27:16

        People are like, "How could you possibly miss?" Because I'm a idiot sometimes, and I'm just... God. As I was pulling on the trigger, I was watching it just drift back towards the beginning of the guts. And instead of just stopping, just gave it a little bit more and then-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:27:30

        [laughs]

    15. SPSpeaker1:27:30

        ... never saw the thing. Looked for it for two and a half days.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:27:33

        Oh.

    17. SPSpeaker1:27:33

        Is there a worse feeling in the world-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:27:35

        No

    19. SPSpeaker1:27:35

        ... than wounding an animal?

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:27:37

        No.

    21. SPSpeaker1:27:37

        Ugh.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:27:38

        There's, there's not. And it's also, like, a miss like that, you have to wait a year to get another chance. You have a whole nother year to sit about and think about that miss before you get back to hunting again.

    23. SPSpeaker1:27:52

        This year I think I might be able to go back to archery, because although they call jujitsu the gentle art, I get banged up sometimes.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:27:59

        Oh, bro.

    25. SPSpeaker1:27:59

        I was r- I was rifle hunting that year. I was training with a 15-year-old young man at the end of a day of training with some savage black belts. Totally, and, uh, you know how when you say when you first start, like, "Hey, you need to relax"? Well, I also found that you can relax too much. I was laying on my side, letting him work on an armbar.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:28:17

        Mm-hmm.

    27. SPSpeaker1:28:18

        Got ahold of my arm. I was gonna work on an escape, and as my arm was coming up over my head, I heard my shoulder cavitate.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:28:26

        Ooh.

    29. SPSpeaker1:28:26

        It was like a... And of course on my drawing arm for my bow.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:28:29

        Right.
14. 1:50:56 – 1:53:09

    TRT, overtraining, and the long game: training to live well, not just longer

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:50:56

       You definitely need something. You need some... Are you taking any peptides or any of that stuff?

    2. SPSpeaker1:51:01

       I played around with peptides. Finally, two years ago, I got my endocrine system checked, my hormones checked. Ooh, man. [sighs] Uh, [sighs] the- this is a nice little... It was like a, a little gauge that had red zone, yellow, green. Upon first looking at this chart, I assumed that my life was gonna end-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:51:19

       [laughs]

    4. SPSpeaker1:51:19

       ... in about 36 hours.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:51:21

       What was your number?

    6. SPSpeaker1:51:22

       Oh, fuck. It... Sh- two something.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:51:25

       Oh, Jesus.

    8. SPSpeaker1:51:26

       I had never had it checked.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:51:27

       That's crazy.

    10. SPSpeaker1:51:28

        Um, I didn't feel awesome, and it... But I also... Yeah, there are people who played around with an immense amount of, uh, performance-enhancing materials in my previous job.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:51:38

        Mm-hmm.

    12. SPSpeaker1:51:38

        Which, live your life however you want to, just understand maybe the long-term tail and the consequences of the choice you wanna make.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:51:43

        Right.

    14. SPSpeaker1:51:43

        Um, I had wanted to avoid that for as long as possible, because as you know, once you kinda go on that train, it's a lifelong journey.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:51:49

        Yeah.

    16. SPSpeaker1:51:49

        But once I finally saw that, that piece of paper, I'm like, "Oh, boy." I'd say-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:51:54

        Well, I bet you could attribute that to the volume of your training. That's al- also part of the problem, is if you're training 10 times a week, you're probably in a constant state of overtraining.

    18. SPSpeaker1:52:06

        Oh, for sure.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:52:07

        Yeah.

    20. SPSpeaker1:52:07

        Yeah. That, probably for the vast majority of my life, that's been the state that I operated in.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:52:11

        [laughs]

    22. SPSpeaker1:52:11

        If I'm being honest, I mean, the answer was always just more. Like, if you wanna get better, do more.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:52:15

        Right.

    24. SPSpeaker1:52:16

        You wanna be stronger, go harder. Go harder and do more. I'm like, "Okay." It took me about... So I'd been... I started taking, uh, TRT about two years ago. I am just now finally slowly dialing it in to where I feel a difference, recovery is better, but also, I, I mean, I try to set realistic expectations for who I am and what I'm trying to do. Like, I'm just... I wanna have the healthiest lifespan that I can.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:52:37

        Yes.

    26. SPSpeaker1:52:37

        I'd rather live to 80 and be doing awesome stuff to 80 than live to 90 and spend the last 10 years eating Jell-O in a nursing home.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:52:44

        Right. Right.

    28. SPSpeaker1:52:44

        So that's what I'm going for.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:52:46

        You could do, as long as you're smart with your training, and you don't get, like, catastrophic injuries, you could be very physically fit deep, deep into your 60s and 70s.

    30. SPSpeaker1:52:57

        That's the goal.
15. 1:53:09 – 2:19:23

    Wingsuits, BASE risk, and jetpacks: thrill, mitigation, and why tech always advances

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:53:09

       Here, here. Just stay out of that fucking s- flying squirrel suit, will you? )

    2. SPSpeaker1:53:13

       You know, Cam just said the same thing to me.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:53:14

       [laughs]

    4. SPSpeaker1:53:14

       And if enough people keep saying that-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:53:16

       You're gonna do it

    6. SPSpeaker1:53:16

       ... I'll put that fucking thing back on just to piss you guys off. [laughs]

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:53:19

       [laughs] Well, it's kind of amazing that you're still here.

    8. SPSpeaker1:53:22

       That's... Here's the thing.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:53:23

       That you've, you've done that so many times. I mean, you broke the world record at one point in time.

    10. SPSpeaker1:53:26

        I did, yes. My egg... God, that was-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:53:29

        How many miles was that that you flew?

    12. SPSpeaker1:53:30

        It's like 18.2, something like that.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:53:32

        With a flying squirrel suit.

    14. SPSpeaker1:53:35

        To me, it was very reasonable. You know, the things that I do that I think are reasonable, oftentimes in my life, people will pull me aside and be like, "Hey, man, what the fuck?"

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:53:42

        Yeah.

    16. SPSpeaker1:53:42

        And-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:53:42

        That doesn't seem at all reasonable.

    18. SPSpeaker1:53:45

        Well, you're only seeing that one video. I had been skydiving-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:53:47

        [laughs]

    20. SPSpeaker1:53:47

        ... for, like, 16 years at that point, you know? And, you know, something like when I would go over to [laughs] ... I remember I'd go over to Switzerland, and I would do a, a flight in the wingsuit, and get... You know, you're like, you're playing tag with your shadow on a steep cliff, and I would send it to you. And one day, you were like, "I just had to throw my phone across the room watching this because it was giving you anxiety."

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:54:08

        [laughs]

    22. SPSpeaker1:54:08

        So then I'm like, "Clearly I'm sending you more of these videos for sure," right? 'Cause now I got the hooky... [laughs]

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:54:13

        I threw my phone into a couch. I was like, "Fuck this. What are you doing, Andy?"

    24. SPSpeaker1:54:17

        But that was, like, one of many jumps, and this, like, the months of training leading up to that, I'm not gonna sit here and say it's safe. I do think you can do it as safely as possible, and I don't have a higher risk threshold than other people do. I, I spend an immense amount of time at everything that I do looking at the risk and trying to manage it, analyze it, mitigate it as much as possible, and then you look at what's left. To me, that activity provided me enough enrichment in my life that it was worth it. I haven't put the suit on in five or six years, but I swear to God, if I get one more person telling me not to do it, I'm gonna go back and just start sending you videos again. [laughs]

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:54:54

        All right. Well, I promise I won't be that guy that tells you that. I promise.

    26. SPSpeaker1:55:00

        No, but honestly, at this point, again, talking about risk, it's not worth it.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:55:03

        Yeah.

    28. SPSpeaker1:55:03

        I don't live in a place where I can stay... 'Cause your currency in that suit comes from the skydiving world, where you can jump it multiple times a day.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:55:08

        Mm-hmm.

    30. SPSpeaker1:55:09

        In the BASE jumping world, there's no altimeter. You're just camera one, camera two.
16. 2:19:23 – 2:23:19

    Iran rescue rumors, ‘Ghost Murmur’ tech, UFO disclosure logic, and ending on Drownproof

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:19:23

       Yeah. Um, I think because of what's going on in Iran, uh, it'd be good to talk to you about this because you're a guy who kinda understands things in terms of, like, geopolitics more than the average person.

    2. SPSpeaker2:19:34

       Listen, I can find Iran on a map, okay? That doesn't mean I understand [laughs] geopolitics.

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:19:38

       I know. I know. You're very-

    4. SPSpeaker2:19:40

       Yeah

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:19:40

       ... you're humble. But-

    6. SPSpeaker2:19:41

       Well, what, the-

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:19:42

       This-

    8. SPSpeaker2:19:42

       ... my operational experience was at a low tac- I mean, meaning on, like, there's, so there's strategic war-

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:19:46

       Right

    10. SPSpeaker2:19:47

        ... operational war. But those are, that's air I never was in the room for. I didn't breathe that air. I'm not having... I wasn't invited, rightfully so, to planning meetings where they were talking about the defense policy of the United States-

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:19:58

        Right

    12. SPSpeaker2:19:58

        ... or going into a country. I was down, like, "Hey, we found this dude"We know where he's at

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:20:04

        Go get him

    14. SPSpeaker2:20:05

        We can't figure out how to go get him. Why don't you guys go give it a little look-see?" That was the level that I operated at.

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:20:10

        Yeah. Well, one of the things that was discussed was sending a bunch of operators in to go retrieve depleted uranium.

    16. SPSpeaker2:20:19

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:20:20

        Do you think they tried that?

    18. SPSpeaker2:20:22

        Oh, as a part of the rescue?

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:20:24

        Yeah. There seems to be a lot of ships, a lot of crafts.

    20. SPSpeaker2:20:29

        Well, it... Okay, so yes, but... Okay, so I'll, I'll, I'll... We can unpack this one a little bit. So this is back to the F-8, uh, F-15 weapons systems officer that ejected.

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:20:40

        Mm-hmm.

    22. SPSpeaker2:20:40

        That was a CSAR or Combat Search And Rescue operation where they surged forward a lot of stuff.

    23. JRJoe Rogan2:20:45

        And then the operation, or the, the Ghost Murmur.

    24. SPSpeaker2:20:48

        Stop it right now. You stop it right now, Joe.

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:20:50

        You don't know what that is?

    26. SPSpeaker2:20:51

        I, I know, I know-

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:20:52

        Do you believe in that?

    28. SPSpeaker2:20:53

        Joe, I want it to be true.

    29. JRJoe Rogan2:20:55

        Hmm.

    30. SPSpeaker2:20:55

        Right?

Episode duration: 2:34:09