Luis J Gomez on Joe Rogan: How Arenas Let Weak Bits Slide

Gomez explains why arena shows forgive weak premises that a small club won't; running both formats taught him exactly where the material is actually lying.

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Apr 21, 20262h 41mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:02 – 2:14
Drinking, club life, and why arenas feel easier than small rooms
1. SPSpeaker
  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out
2. JRJoe Rogan
  The Joe Rogan Experience
3. SPSpeaker
  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day [upbeat music]
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I filmed a special, and then I just fucking fell off.
5. SPSpeaker
  I had a margarita at dinner once, and I was like, "All right, I'm back." [clears throat]
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that'll do it. It's just that one, and you think, "I'll just have one." Once in a while.
7. SPSpeaker
  It was nice. It just... I was drinking too much because, uh, uh, the, you know, owning a club, there all the time, you know, how much... Everyone's like, "Do you want a shot? Do you want a drink?"
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah, I can imagine. When I'm at your club, I get blackout drunk every time. Like, an actual problem. Like, I walk down the stairs, I'm like, "What the fuck just happened?" [laughs]
9. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
10. JRJoe Rogan
  I drink so much at The Mothership. Austin in general. Are we on? Are we-
11. SPSpeaker
  I think we're rolling.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, the problem is Shane. [laughs]
13. SPSpeaker
  Oh, yeah. He's an animal. I don't know how he does it. I did the Bridgestone Arena with him on Friday night. Uh, I mean, first of all, just insane, like 20,000 people.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
15. SPSpeaker
  I mean, fucking-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  It's nuts
17. SPSpeaker
  ... Saturday night I did 95 people at the Dojo of Comedy. [laughs]
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that the first time you did a big one in the round?
19. SPSpeaker
  In the round, yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  In the round is, like, oddly intimate, isn't it?
21. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause everyone's facing each other.
23. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, you can, uh-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  It's pretty cool
25. SPSpeaker
  ... it feels like it's a club around you on the bottom.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. SPSpeaker
  You kinda, like... It's so funny 'cause people get, like, so in their head. They're like, "Dude, f- it's all these people. It's crazy." I'm like, "I performed to half sold-out comedy clubs. Do you know much more nerve-wracking it is to make eye contact with your fans that are disappointed that they're in a half sold-out room-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
29. SPSpeaker
  ... than 20,000 people that are just there to be like, 'Fucking Shane!'"
30. JRJoe Rogan
  It's one of those things you just do it a couple of times, and you get... It gets normal.
2:14 – 5:23
Coachella, Sabrina Carpenter, and the internet’s addiction to hot takes
1. SPSpeaker
  I, I don't know how Sabrina Carpenter just came up in my feed, um, from Coachella.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
3. SPSpeaker
  Little hot child. And, uh, [laughs] she's like... Just all my algorithm is now is Sabrina Carpenter.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  My daughter loves her.
5. SPSpeaker
  I'm sure, yeah. Uh, my girlfriend loves her. And [laughs] my-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  She's got some good jams.
7. SPSpeaker
  Uh-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  That Espresso song, that's a really good song.
9. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, Manchild.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  She's got some songs, man.
11. SPSpeaker
  That's my shit, dude.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  She can fucking sing.
13. SPSpeaker
  It's become my shit. I never heard any of her music before this past week, but it's... The Coachella stuff has all been showing up, and, like, I'm watching these girls watch Sabrina Carpenter. They're so happy.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  So happy.
15. SPSpeaker
  They're... Like, nothing will-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
17. SPSpeaker
  ... like, they're, like, just l- they're, like, just having the best moment of their life. These 16-year-old girls are like, "Fuck, it's Sabrina Carpenter."
18. JRJoe Rogan
  That's why, like, people gotta chill on things that they think suck, 'cause it's just not for you, man.
19. SPSpeaker
  And that's okay.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that's okay. Like, s- s- spending all your time dwelling on things that aren't for you is so crazy. [laughs]
21. SPSpeaker
  It's a crazy thing.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  It's such a waste of time. [laughs]
23. SPSpeaker
  It's internet culture. That's what it is.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  It is.
25. SPSpeaker
  Like, the internet and social media became a thing where we gave everyone a voice. Everyone has to have an opinion.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep.
27. SPSpeaker
  Nobody wants to admit they're wrong, right? And they have to have a hot take. Everything that happens-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep
29. SPSpeaker
  ... within minutes.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep.
5:23 – 7:35
Aging, health, and the ‘Italy effect’ on food and stress
1. JRJoe Rogan
  It do- I am 58 years old. I'm almost 59. That's dead.
2. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
3. JRJoe Rogan
  That's old as fuck.
4. SPSpeaker
  You got 20 years, best case scenario.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, if everything goes great. And what are those 20 years like? I mean, I'm holding it together thanks to Waist Well and f-
6. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and my obsessive need to work out.
8. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  But other than that, man, I feel it. I feel it slipping away.
10. SPSpeaker
  Oh, God.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's gonna.
12. SPSpeaker
  It's crazy. I, I'm 44. I just turned 44 a couple weeks ago, and, like, best case scenario, like, absolute best case scenario-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Midlife
14. SPSpeaker
  ... midlife.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, best case.
16. SPSpeaker
  My, my aunt has never worked out a day in her life. She's 89 years old. She's just a, a fat, old Italian lady.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that's maybe-
18. SPSpeaker
  She eats whatever she wants
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that's the move, man. [laughs]
20. SPSpeaker
  It might be, dude. Why am I so obsessed with trying to get in shape, and eating right, and doing all this other stuff? My fat aunt just does whatever she wants, and she's an old Italian lady. She's just... She's gonna... She's l- she'sAs young as I've ever remembered her. She's so with it. It's so funny to me
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I've vacationed in Italy a bunch of times, and I've gone to these little small towns. There's always like a really nice restaurant in this little small town. You have to take like a van up into the hills
22. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, and you're on like a-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
24. SPSpeaker
  ... like a cliff side with like-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Like-
26. SPSpeaker
  ... no guardrail [laughs]
27. JRJoe Rogan
  You get to these places and you see these people having these like three and a half hour dinners. Everyone's relaxed. They're all laughing. Their family's around.
28. SPSpeaker
  Yeah
29. JRJoe Rogan
  And-
30. SPSpeaker
  Four generations. There's a 170-year-old-
7:35 – 13:03
Glyphosate, modern agriculture, and ‘we are being poisoned’
1. JRJoe Rogan
  We are being poisoned
2. SPSpeaker
  Yeah
3. JRJoe Rogan
  100%. And the ... You know, RFK Jr. has been working really hard to try to stop a lot of what is fucking with us with our diet in America. But God, the resistance, it's crazy.
4. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It literally-
6. SPSpeaker
  Well, it's just people decide what side they're on, and they go, "I don't care how good it might be, fuck you. You're part of Trump's cabinet."
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a little of that, but what I'm talking about is the resistance from corporations
8. SPSpeaker
  Oh yeah, I'm sure
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and the effect that they have on policy, and then the reality of economics. Like here was a big one. Like he had to, um, he had to pass ... So there's this thing ... Do you know what glyphosate is?
10. SPSpeaker
  No.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay. So it's, uh, an herbicide that they spray on plants, and, uh, it's super bad for you [laughs] . It's super bad for you, and it's banned in a lot of countries.
12. SPSpeaker
  Yeah
13. JRJoe Rogan
  But it's used ubiquitously in the United States.
14. SPSpeaker
  Yeah
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And there's some extraordinary number of people-
16. SPSpeaker
  Oh, is this the stuff they-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... test positive for glyphosate
18. SPSpeaker
  ... on the wheat? Is this what they're spraying on the wheat?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly.
20. SPSpeaker
  Yes
21. JRJoe Rogan
  So they spray it on the wheat as a desiccator. So they spray it on the wheat after the wheat has already been harvested to keep it from growing mold-
22. SPSpeaker
  Hmm
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... which is crazy. They're gonna spray poison-
24. SPSpeaker
  Yeah
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... to make sure that life doesn't grow on your wheat.
26. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
27. JRJoe Rogan
  That's really what's going on.
28. SPSpeaker
  That's funny
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, l- like mold is a type of life.
30. SPSpeaker
  Yeah
13:03 – 17:15
Weed, jiu-jitsu, and mindset shifts as performance enhancers
1. JRJoe Rogan
  You ever smoke weed with a rapper? It's the same shit.
2. SPSpeaker
  Oh.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like people get used to things.
4. SPSpeaker
  Yeah. I have.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, try smoking weed with Wiz Khalifa.
6. SPSpeaker
  Wiz Khalifa should try smoking weed with me.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
8. SPSpeaker
  Are you kidding me?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Are you really, are you calling him out?
10. SPSpeaker
  I used to be-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  That's crazy.
12. SPSpeaker
  Bring it on, Wiz Khalifa.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
14. SPSpeaker
  I used to be... I mean, I'm talking about an all day every day, get up in the morning, just to get going, five dabs. Like, I, like, real deal pothead. Blunt to the head.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
16. SPSpeaker
  I smoked a blunt to the head a week ago right before I trained, and uh, my, my sparring partner was like, "Dude, you smell like weed." It was like, I could never in a million years, but it's just, I'm so used to it that I just go.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, it becomes a normal state. Well, a lot-
18. SPSpeaker
  Especially jujitsu. Everyone smokes weed before training in jujitsu
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... a lot of people smoke. It's a, the dirty secret of jujitsu.
20. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  A lot of people smoke weed before jujitsu. What is Wiz doing, up the nose?
22. SPSpeaker
  He's doing a nose dab, yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, no.
24. SPSpeaker
  You don't need to do that.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Why would you do that, Wiz?
26. SPSpeaker
  It's a new thing that they do.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  That dude's jacked.
28. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
29. JRJoe Rogan
  You ever see what Wiz looks like?
30. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
17:15 – 28:24
Living without the internet: reflection, expression, and regulation
1. SPSpeaker
  And you used to have time to reflect. You used to... So what would happen is something would happen, right? Whatever it is, some big event, right? And it happens on Friday.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. SPSpeaker
  You're like, "I don't ha- I, I gotta sit on this until Monday. I'll talk to my, my wife or some friends at home," but it's like, until I get to work on Monday-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
5. SPSpeaker
  ... I can't spout these ideas and my opinions. And you kind of reflect on it. You sit on it. You're on the toilet taking a shit thinking about things. We don't have that anymore. It's just all distraction constantly, and it's, like, just pe- I, I mean, the amount... Like, I, the only time I ever, like, reflect is if I'm working out or I'm sitting in the steam room.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, by yourself.
7. SPSpeaker
  I gotta, gotta put the phone away. You literally can't do anything.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
9. SPSpeaker
  Um, but even you're taking a shit, dude. Back in the day, taking a shit used to be, like, the best thinking time. [laughs]
10. JRJoe Rogan
  People had magazines.
11. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, you sit there lea- reading Life Magazine while you're taking a dump. What you just said was, like, very important. This, what, what you just... W- so what we're talking about is people being able to talk about things. Now imagine what life was like, 'cause w- both... How old are you?
13. SPSpeaker
  44.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, so you lived it a little bit, but I really lived it where there was no internet. And if there was no internet, you couldn't talk to anything about anybody.
15. SPSpeaker
  Nope.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  About any f-... buddy about anything because everything that came up in the news, like you'd see it on the news, you'd go, "What is going on?" You'd get like this quick snippet, and then you'd have to go to a newspaper, and you'd read the newspaper and go, "What the fuck are we doing in Venezuela?"
17. SPSpeaker
  And at this point, 99% of people are already out. Even right there-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly
19. SPSpeaker
  ... that was-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly
21. SPSpeaker
  ... people are like, "Eh, I'm not going to the library. I'm not doing the newspaper."
22. JRJoe Rogan
  And if you're this guy who goes to work and, you know, how much time do you have to talk to people about things? You have stuff to do.
23. SPSpeaker
  Mm-hmm.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  You can't be the guy that corners people when they're getting coffee, "Do you hear what we're doing in Nicaragua?"
25. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
26. JRJoe Rogan
  "So we're selling cocaine in Los Angeles for the CIA."
27. SPSpeaker
  Kurt Metzger, if he wasn't a comic.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  "The CIA is selling cocaine in Los Angeles to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Did you know that?" And you're like, "Uh, I got work to do."
29. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
30. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. My own website, joerogan.com, is powered by Squarespace. So I'm not just saying this, I actually use the thing. If you've got a business, a podcast, you're selling something, you're doing a newsletter, whatever it is, Squarespace gives you everything you need. You can grab your domain, build the site, showcase your stuff, take payments, all of it. No messing around. It's simple, it works, and it makes your stuff look legit. Go to squarespace.com/rogan for a free trial, and when you are ready to launch, use the offer code Rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. [laughs] And so you never got to express yourself.
28:24 – 35:14
UFO tech, missing scientists, and AI-enabled surveillance fears
1. JRJoe Rogan
  We had a guy on that was talking about back engineering UFO technology, and that they had this idea of using it to, what they would call an instantaneous delivery system of a nuclear bomb. 'Cause the way these things supposedly can travel... I'm, I'm a moron, so I don't understand anything about gravity.
2. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
3. JRJoe Rogan
  But what they were explaining is that if these crafts work in a way that has no normal kind of propulsion. We think of propulsion as like a jet. The fire goes out the back, and the jet goes forward really fast because of that, right? What they're saying is these beings from wherever the fuck they are, when, when these people that have back engineered their crafts, the way they move is not by propulsion. It's by bending space and time. It's by doing something to the gravity around it or the f- the, the actual space of the universe around it, where it can go to another place, like, instantaneously.
4. SPSpeaker
  Mm.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  So it's not like it flies. It's like it just fucking zips over to another part of the universe, and they can do it. Like, that Tic Tac one that they, they got on radar, they got it on the visuals. Like, two different fighter pilots saw it and talked about it. They have video of it. This fucking thing went from more than 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level in one second.
6. SPSpeaker
  Mm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Less than a second. So it's like beep, beep, beep, radar. It went from [laughs] 50,000 feet to that. So if you could do that with a bomb, you could essentially instantaneously detonate Moscow.
8. SPSpeaker
  Wow.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  If that's a real technology. So this is probably why these assholes are hiding all this UFO information.
10. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's 'cause these [laughs] assholes had probably were using the b- they were like, "Yeah, we could travel anywhere in the universe, or we could blow up China without them even knowing it's happening."
12. SPSpeaker
  [laughs] Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  "We could assure that we'll win a nuclear war."
14. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Anybody would have that technology, the ability to put something somewhere instantly, and you put a bomb in it, that's crazy.
16. SPSpeaker
  Yeah. I, um-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  So that might be what all this UFO bullshit is about.
18. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, I mean, the... Who knows? Who knows what's going on? I mean, like ob- like, obviously there's something going on, right? Obvi- like, it's-- I, I think that where there's smoke there's fire, and there's too much talk.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Have you seen these stories about all these scientists that are getting whacked?
20. SPSpeaker
  No.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, there's scientists that have gotten whacked and or missing, and a, and a couple of generals as well, that's all connected somehow or another to UFO technology and anti-gravity technology and nuclear scientists. And there's a bunch of stories that I've read about this, and some of them are like, this is like purely exaggerated, and a lot of people are-- It's just they're taking that this guy committed suicide and he worked on that, and this guy went missing and he worked on that, but it's just coincidence.
22. SPSpeaker
  Right.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  And then there's other people that go, "No, no, no, no. This is-- There's too many people." So re- now the White House has commented on it, so they're doing an investigation on this.
24. SPSpeaker
  Hmm.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Which makes me think, hopefully, somebody who's really fucking smart has looked at this information and said there's something there. Like what these people were working on was very extraordinary and could disrupt a market or could be something that could be used in a weapon that would destroy another country, and so the other country sabotages it by killing scientists. That's shit that we would do.
26. SPSpeaker
  Think how little we know. Like the, the amount of like-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. SPSpeaker
  Like we-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Like you and I? Yeah.
30. SPSpeaker
  Just human-- Just like Americans, just the, just the general population. Like the amount of... There's probably the craziest technology ever that the government has their hands on right now.
35:14 – 37:59
AI voice cloning, grief, and the coming ‘digital afterlife’
1. SPSpeaker
  I did something really dark and sad one day. I was super high, and my mom died when I was 22 years old, and then I, I went, I prompted ChatGPT. I told, I told a bunch of information about my mom, and I was like, "I wanna have a conversation with my mom-"
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow
3. SPSpeaker
  ... on the other side about like what's going on in my life and my son, and ask me questions." And it was like, it was, it got very... Like I got really emotional. It, it, way more than you would think. Like I was, it was kind of just a dumb thing. I was stoned. I was like, "Let's see where this goes." I was, I felt like I was talking to my mom at the end of it.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
5. SPSpeaker
  It was fucking really-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  That's so crazy.
7. SPSpeaker
  Yeah. Really.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  But here's the thing. If it gets to be a super intelligence, and they program a super intelligence to behave exactly and talk exactly like your mom, and then you had conversations with her, like it knows her voice.
9. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  That would be such a fuck it... If you're schizophrenic and that starts happening, that would be the trip.
11. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
12. JRJoe Rogan
  That would be the, that would be bing, we blew the last fuse.
13. SPSpeaker
  Yeah. [laughs] That's it, dude.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  That would be it.
15. SPSpeaker
  Well, for us-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Maybe that's what they're doing
17. SPSpeaker
  ... for, for you and me, right, who we have, I mean, thousands and thousands of hours recorded, right?
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah. They could have us say anything.
19. SPSpeaker
  Well, not only just say anything. Like when I die, I'm assuming the technology... Forget when I die, like f- 40 years from now. Like in the next few years, they can just take every opinion I've had, the way I speak, my thoughts, everything, and then they can use AI to not only just replicate what I do, but go like, "Well, what would he likely think? What would he likely say?" If you sort of put all that data in, and then eventually it's like a little fucking box sitting on the table that my son talks to. His dad never dies.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Jesus.
21. SPSpeaker
  His dad's always there. I think that will be a thing that regularly is happening. You, you... And I don't know if it's like uploading the consciousness or if it's the AI replicating your consciousness. I think they've talked about that for a long time, but that I think will happen unquestionably. They-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  No doubt.
23. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  And soon.
25. SPSpeaker
  Very soon.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the AI that they have now, like if you put on those meta glasses, have you fucked with that, the VR goggles?
27. SPSpeaker
  Ah, yeah. Yeah
28. JRJoe Rogan
  They're pretty fucking good, dude
29. SPSpeaker
  I mean, I just jerk off. That's it. I just-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Just giant vaginas?
37:59 – 46:34
Interracial kisses, shifting norms, and the return of tribalism online
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm. Um, what, didn't he have, like, a, a make-out session with a green lady on, in Star Trek?
2. SPSpeaker
  I don't know. What was it?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  I think he did. I think there was, like, some weird-
4. SPSpeaker
  What was it, like making out with an alien?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... racial pushback. There was some weird pu- oh, he kissed Uhura. There was, he did make out with an alien.
6. SPSpeaker
  I kissed a couple Uhuras too. [laughs]
7. JRJoe Rogan
  No, no, no. He did make out with an alien, right? I'm pretty sure he kissed, like, a, a green lady or something, but he also kissed Lieutenant Uhura, who was a Black lady. And during the time where they did Star Trek, I think this was very controversial. That's it. So that was in 1968, and this was very controversial that a white man and a Black wo- and by the way, she was beautiful, that lady that played Uhura. She was beautiful. And they thought it was weird. They thought it was offensive. I mean, it was like, it was a big thing-
8. SPSpeaker
  Yeah
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in, like, the public. I was too young, obviously. I was one years old, but I do remember this story. I remember it being a big deal.
10. SPSpeaker
  How much... Do you remember there was that movie, uh, Jungle Fever? It was an entire movie.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
12. SPSpeaker
  The entire premise of the movie was it's-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  A Black guy and a white girl. [laughs]
14. SPSpeaker
  [laughs] It's a racial couple. That's a movie. That's it.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] Okay, what is it called? Was the episode called Plato's Stepchildren? Season three, episode 10, November 22nd, 1968. Wow. Uhura, played by, um, Nichelle Nichols, and Captain Kirk, William Shatner. Episode's often cited incorrectly as the first interracial kiss on television. It was, however, the first instance in which a kiss between a Black person and a white person on US television was ever scripted, as an earlier kiss on Movin' with Nancy was unscript- what the fuck is Movin' with Nancy? What is that?
16. SPSpeaker
  Nancy Sinatra special or something.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Nancy kissed a Black guy on TV? Is that what they're saying?
18. SPSpeaker
  That's pissing me off now. I don't know why. [laughs]
19. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] I bet she did it just to piss off Frank.
20. SPSpeaker
  Her father was not okay with that.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I bet she did it just to piss off Frank.
22. SPSpeaker
  Let me check.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, find out what she did. What the fuck happened? [laughs]
24. SPSpeaker
  That's funny. Was it like a variety show?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  So was it, like, her and just a singer or something? Was it a show where they would sing each other? What happened here?
26. SPSpeaker
  Sammy Davis Jr.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, Sammy Davis Jr. kissed her. Oh, that's-
28. SPSpeaker
  I think it was song and dance
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that's kinda... With her?
30. SPSpeaker
  That's what it says. Probably looking it up.
46:34 – 1:02:15
Abortion as a moral collision: viability, religion, and lived reality
1. SPSpeaker
  You know? And, um, yeah, it's like, uh, yeah. You, you sort of like... That, the idea of faith, it, it actually seems, like, really, like, kinda freeing. Like, the idea of it's like, "Dude, I'm gonna die and then I'm gonna go to the kingdom of heaven and I'm gonna experience everything that I've ever wanted." I mean, that sounds incredible. I- it's, for me, it's like I feel like I'm counting down until I'm gonna sleep forever. Like, uh, I have nothing after. I really don't believe in any of that. When people get into, like, these heated, passionate, like, debates about certain things, like abortion's a great topic, um, for this concept. When you're trying to convince somebody that's religious, like, to be pro-life, you're like, you don't understand what's going on there, dude. They believe you're murdering a baby. You're not gonna convince somebody that, like, "Oh, well, let me, let me, let me try to break this down for you right now. Let me try to give you a different angle on this." No, no, they, they believe that that's a life at conception. They believe it's a soul.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. SPSpeaker
  They really fucking believe that deep down. And that is like, like, I kinda go like, "Well, no, I respect that." Like, I'm not gonna... Like, I, I'm pro-life, right? I, I was raised by, by women, and I just kinda grew up in New York, and we always sort of had that sensibility.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you mean pro-choice? Is that what you meant?
5. SPSpeaker
  I'm sorry. I'm, I'm pro-choice. I apologize.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
7. SPSpeaker
  Um, but when I, my son was born, or even when I first saw the heartbeat, I remember I was like, that's a life right there.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. SPSpeaker
  Of the heartbeat, that six weeks, whatever it was, I was like, that's a fucking life right there. But when you're dealing with religious people who believe that that's a soul, and that it is, like, the second it's conceived-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm
11. SPSpeaker
  ... you're trying to convince them that it's okay to kill a baby.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
13. SPSpeaker
  And it's never gonna happen.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. No, it's never gonna happen. And I don't know who's right.
15. SPSpeaker
  That's the real problem.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, for convenience sake and for living your life a- on your own terms sake, and the f- see, my take on it is, first of all, I'm not a woman, and if you're t- talking about this and there's no chance of you ever getting pregnant, that's a weird thing. Because y- like, conceptually, yeah, that's a life, no doubt. I mean, not even conceptually, objectively.
17. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a life. It's gonna become a human. But who, who, like, who am I to say, especially in cases where, like, incest and rape and, you know, crazy shit, who am I to say that you have to raise that kid, that you have to, that, that life has to... You have to change your body for the next nine months, maybe irro- ever- irrevocably. I mean, maybe it'll just change your body forever. Maybe you'll have stretch marks forever.
19. SPSpeaker
  Oh, yeah. You-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Because of this. Because of this horrible thing that happened to you, because everybody says that this life is precious. Like-
21. SPSpeaker
  Every time you gotta feed it breakfast, you gotta fucking s-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  If that was for men, if men got pregnant-
23. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... abortion would be at gas stations.
25. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Fill it up and take it out. It would be... There's not a fucking chance in hell-
27. SPSpeaker
  That's a bit, dude
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... it would be a-
29. SPSpeaker
  That's a bit.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  It, there's not a chance in hell that it would be a debate.
1:02:15 – 1:16:42
NYC vs. everywhere: taxes, NGOs, homelessness, and government sprawl
1. SPSpeaker
  Bobby Kelly said that to me about Louis back in the day. He was like, uh... You know, 'cause we're all, we're all, everyone's insecure, can be. Everyone in New York's insecure. Everyone in LA and Austin, you guys fucking, you guys are [laughs]
2. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
3. SPSpeaker
  ... you guys fucking love life. You're just living life to your fullest. Everyone in New York is like, "I'm gonna kill myself. I hate fucking life. It sucks."
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I think it's the environment.
5. SPSpeaker
  Yeah. Well, it's a rough city. It's a really rough city.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a great city. It's awesome.
7. SPSpeaker
  Oh, it's amazing city. I love it.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  But cities in general is a weird concept. It- shoving a bunch of people way too close to each other-
9. SPSpeaker
  Yeah
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for long periods of time.
11. SPSpeaker
  It's-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  It has an effect.
13. SPSpeaker
  It's also like, uh... It's just a, it's a rough city, dude. It's, e- even when, even on like the highest level, like if you're doing well-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
15. SPSpeaker
  ... you still gotta fucking walk up those subway stairs, and it's just like, just hot air in the summertime down-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm
17. SPSpeaker
  ... if you try to take the subway or, you know, sitting in New York traffic or just like cr- crazy homeless people walking around. You gotta like really wanna be there to stand it. I, I did it for 20 years. I moved to the suburbs during the pandemic. Um, and I, I love New Y- I still love New York. I go to New York a few times a week still. But it is, uh, it is definitely a young man's city where you gotta like, you gotta be there to like, "I'm trying to become the best comic or a dancer, work on Wall Street," or whatever it is. Like-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  That's true, but I know a lot of-
19. SPSpeaker
  Hmm
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... old people that love it, too, man. They'll never leave. They love it. They, they-
21. SPSpeaker
  Well, they get used to the life
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they love the energy. There's just people around them all the time.
23. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  There's something going on everywhere you look. You'd get food at 3:00 in the morning. You could... I mean, as far... If you're a city person like Ari-
25. SPSpeaker
  Hmm
26. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like, it's the greatest place on Earth.
27. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  It- there's no place like New York City.
29. SPSpeaker
  Ari spends, I don't even know how much on rent, but probably $50,000 [laughs] a month for a room where you can touch all the walls.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I know.
1:16:42 – 2:09:20
Blue laws, dumb regulations, microplastics, and endocrine disruption
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... their jobs if there's a lot of government jobs. So then you get wacky rulings like California recently, they're banning blackjack in casinos. No more blackjack.
2. SPSpeaker
  Why no blackjack?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Where? Putting a foot down. No more blackjack in River City.
4. SPSpeaker
  Why, why no blackjack? I don't understand it.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, no one understands it.
6. SPSpeaker
  [laughs] What's wrong with blackjack?
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It doesn't make any fucking sense. You can play poker, you can't play blackjack. How about fuck you, stay away from me?
8. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  How about if I earn, uh, $2,000 in a week and I wanna take $500 and go to the c- casino and try to win more or lose it, how about fuck you?
10. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, stay the fuck out of it.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  How about you leave me the fuck alone?
12. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You're just another human being. You should have no opinion.
14. SPSpeaker
  Well, they wanna, the government wants to get their hands in every vice, right?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, they're making tax money from it.
16. SPSpeaker
  'Cause they know, they know we can't, we can't give up our vices. We can't give up alcohol and weed and cigarettes and gambling and prostitution.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  But they're not getting rid of gambling. That's the thing. They- they're still paying... The casinos still pay taxes.
18. SPSpeaker
  Right.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  You just eliminated one of their fucking ways to make money.
20. SPSpeaker
  Is there, was there a public reason why they've said it?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I'd like to find out.
22. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Let's find out. What, what's the public reason?
24. SPSpeaker
  'Cause blackjack's my only game.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  That's it?
26. SPSpeaker
  That's like, that's the only game I do.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you know what you're doing or are you a wild motherfucker who hits at 17?
28. SPSpeaker
  No, no, no. No, I'm good, I'm good at blackjack. I mean, good. I'm, I know the rules of the book and I play by the rules and I w- I sit down at the table expecting to lose everything and if I don't, I'm happy. That's that.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Jamie wants some money. Shane wants some money.
30. SPSpeaker
  Blackjack?
2:09:20 – 2:27:02
AI media future, simulation anxiety, lucid dreaming, and Alex Jones’ ‘Waking Life’ rant
1. SPSpeaker
  It would be. When are they gonna do a cool movie about the future of AI? That, like, that's, that's gotta be on the horizon, right? Like a really-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't-
3. SPSpeaker
  ... about the dark side of what's gonna happen.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I think it's too late. I think by the time you make it, AI won't let you release it.
5. SPSpeaker
  Oh, wow. [laughs]
6. JRJoe Rogan
  It's over.
7. SPSpeaker
  [laughs]
8. SPSpeaker
  Black Mirror did a pretty good job.
9. SPSpeaker
  Black Mirror, I can't watch it.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
11. SPSpeaker
  Just, it freaks me out so much.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  I know, it's not good.
13. SPSpeaker
  Every time I watch a Black Mirror episode, I walk away feeling like I was just sexually assaulted.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  How about the one where that dog is chasing that lady? The, the robot dog one.
15. SPSpeaker
  I've only watched, like, four or five episodes.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  What is that one called? Heavy Metal?
17. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, but I mean, if you watch them all, did you know that they'd have this... [laughs] Most of those plots are all kind of con- converging in our reality.
18. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, and they're based in reality. They, they have a kernel of truth-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
20. SPSpeaker
  ... and then it turns into... I watched the one where it was like, you, uh, you got, like, blocked out, your face got blocked out. People couldn't see you anymore.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
22. SPSpeaker
  Like, once your social credit score got low enough.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh yeah, I remember that one.
24. SPSpeaker
  Freaky, dude.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  It is freaky.
26. SPSpeaker
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  It is freaky. There was, uh, one where they were, that recorded all memories, and so you could go into someone else's memory, and you could record and li- There was the one where the... What was it called? Crocodile. That was the episode. Oh my God. I don't wanna say what happens, 'cause it's, it's a, it's a, it's a twist. But it, it's so dark, and it's based on that.
28. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, it's-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's based on reading people's memories.
30. SPSpeaker
  I don't like watching, like, dark shit. Like, I like, I like happy-