James McCann on Joe Rogan: Why Australia Sent Him to Texas

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Joe Rogan 0:12 Everybody's just-

Speaker 0:13 Thank you for having me back

Joe Rogan 0:14 Good to see you-

Speaker 0:15 Yeah

Joe Rogan 0:15 ... my brother.

Speaker 0:15 How are you?

Joe Rogan 0:16 Always great to see you. [slaps table] I'm good. It was, uh, fun having you at the clubhouse last night.

Speaker 0:21 I was ter- I was fucking terrified.

Joe Rogan 0:22 You just looked like you were back.

Speaker 0:24 No, I thought-

Joe Rogan 0:25 You were like at home

Speaker 0:25 ... I thought, "That's it. I've been away for too long. I'm gonna suck. None of the new stuff's gonna work."

Joe Rogan 0:29 No.

Speaker 0:29 "They'll see me. They'll go, 'He was wrong to come back. Fuck him off.' And then we're done."

Joe Rogan 0:32 No.

Speaker 0:32 It was so nice. It was so nice.

Joe Rogan 0:35 You were telling the story, I, I said, "Hold these thoughts."

Speaker 0:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Well-

Speaker 0:39 I didn't know you didn't... I didn't know we'd never spoken about it.

Joe Rogan 0:40 No, tell me the story.

Speaker 0:42 I... Well, that's why I came to America to start, is, uh, I got offered a job hosting a Catholic podcast, and they fired me as... I had packed up everything in Adelaide. This is, like, two and a bit years ago. I had the kids and the wife, and on the way to America, I got fired.

Joe Rogan 0:56 [laughs]

Speaker 0:56 And they said, "We'll still pay your rent. It's in Steubenville, Ohio." Beautiful Appalachian town just outside of Pittsburgh. And, uh, yeah, it's where we w- Three months I was there.

Joe Rogan 1:07 So what did they see that they fired you for?

Speaker 1:10 Oh, a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:10 [laughs]

Speaker 1:11 They made a compilation video. [laughs] No, the guy, the guy whose show, they were right to fire him. They, they were right to fire him.

Joe Rogan 1:16 No. No, they weren't.

Speaker 1:17 No, 'cause it was a good, clean Catholic podcast, and then the, the business manager was like, "You've..." There was a sketch about stabbing someone in the throat with an AIDS needle. They're, they're like, "He uses the word 'cunt' all the time." They're like, "This is a sponsorship nightmare. Get him out."

Joe Rogan 1:30 Oh.

Speaker 1:30 And I s- So I say, "Okay." But they still said, "We'll, uh, we'll pay your rent for three months, and you can figure something out. You've still got a visa." And I was terrified. I was just in the snow.

Joe Rogan 1:40 With kids and a wife.

Speaker 1:41 Three kids, no job. I didn't have the money to go back home.

Joe Rogan 1:43 Oh my God.

Speaker 1:44 We couldn't afford [laughs] to go back home.

Joe Rogan 1:46 Oh my God.

Speaker 1:46 And I had, I didn't know that I had been passed at the mothership, 'cause I didn't know how the system worked. So on the way in to go, uh, to Steubenville, where I was like, "I'll figure something out," I stopped in at Austin to see Shane. Shane said, "Go and do the mothership open mic." I did it. Adam Eget said, "If you're ever in town, come back. We'll pay for sponsor- " I didn't know that meant I was passed. I didn't know I could work here.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Oh.

Speaker 2:08 Uh, I just thought he was like, I could audition again. And then, uh, so I had three confronting months in the snow. Beautiful part of the world. It was the most terrified I've ever been in my-

Joe Rogan 2:19 He, he says that-

Speaker 2:19 ... life as an Australian. That's as from, from, from Ohio.

Joe Rogan 2:22 No, I love it

Speaker 2:22 I would say that's the most beautiful part of the world.

Joe Rogan 2:24 I loved it. I wish... I went back and watched that Wild Whites of West Virginia.

Speaker 2:26 Yeah, that's where you're, that's where-

Joe Rogan 2:27 It looks exactly like that.

Speaker 2:29 It is beautiful.

Joe Rogan 2:29 Well, that area is gorgeous.

Speaker 2:31 It's, it's God's country, but also so abandoned by, like, the, the potholes are crazy. I saw real heroin addicts. I'd never really seen heroin addicts before, just sleepy people. I saw street prostitutes. That's still going on.

Joe Rogan 2:47 And this is a small town, right?

Speaker 2:49 This is a small town. This is, uh, I've, I went to... There are Catholics who've moved there to try and, like, fix it. It was where Dean Martin was from. The Wu-Tang Clan kinda started out there.

Joe Rogan 2:59 They're Staten Island.

Speaker 3:00 No- Yes, but I think it's, like, the RZA's auntie-

Joe Rogan 3:04 Mm

Speaker 3:04 ... lived there, and they moved out there, and then they got involved in rap in the Pittsburgh scene because they were in the dead zone.

Joe Rogan 3:08 I gotta ask RZA real soon. I'll ask him about that.

Speaker 3:11 I believe I'm right about that. They don't have a mural for them.

Joe Rogan 3:13 Wow.

Speaker 3:14 Um, but it's great. There's, uh, yeah, there's a lot of Catholic content creators there. Um, and they're trying to take over town.

Joe Rogan 3:21 That's interesting.

Speaker 3:22 There's a... I went there originally 'cause my... New Polity is, like, my favorite magazine, and I got to meet the guys who made it, and I was so excited.

Joe Rogan 3:28 So how did they hire you? W- Wu-Tang's RZA found a second chance-

Speaker 3:34 I can't believe I got a-

Joe Rogan 3:34 ... in Steubenville. Wow.

Speaker 3:35 And then they all come over to visit him.

Joe Rogan 3:37 This, uh, he discussed a largely undocumented era of his life in which Pittsburgh played a role. Wow.

Speaker 3:45 And that's one of the first conversations we had. I was like, "You said something about Pittsburgh that wasn't flattering." I said, "I love Pittsburgh." And you're like, "You don't know anything. You're a foreigner. You don't know anything about America."

Joe Rogan 3:55 [laughs]

Speaker 3:55 "Pittsburgh is a horrible place." I was like, "I don't know. I had a nice time there. [laughs] I thought it was good."

Joe Rogan 4:01 Uh, it's just a little depressing. Do you... See, like, the, the thing about, uh, a lot of those sort of industrial kind of towns-

Speaker 4:11 Yeah

Joe Rogan 4:11 ... is there's not a ton of options for people.

Speaker 4:14 No.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Uh, Pittsburgh more so than, like, the place that you were in. But, like, when you get to a place where there's not a lot of options, and then you see real poverty, like, this is poverty with no solutions. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Not Pittsburgh. You know, Pittsburgh has-

Speaker 4:28 Oh, no, just outside of Pittsburgh

Joe Rogan 4:29 ... I was more fucking with you.

Speaker 4:30 For sure.

Joe Rogan 4:30 But shit, not Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4:30 No, I saw, I saw things in, in West Virginia that were, uh, pretty confronting.

Joe Rogan 4:36 Mm.

Speaker 4:37 And like, you know, that are, like, caked, and some of it's great. Some of the things from the poverty, wonderful. Drive-through cigarette shop.

Joe Rogan 4:43 Do you like that?

Speaker 4:43 Gummies b- I loved having drive-through cigarettes.

Joe Rogan 4:45 [laughs]

Speaker 4:46 [laughs] You know, just, like, trying to get the kids to sleep. My wife's upset 'cause I got her in a foreign co- Like, again, she never signed up, "Let's move to America."

Joe Rogan 4:53 Right.

Speaker 4:54 She was like, "We'll go for three months."

Joe Rogan 4:55 Right.

Speaker 4:55 And then I was like, "Oh, fuck. I'm unemployed. Uh, I better quickly figure out how to be a stand-up comedian." I was bussing out of Steubenville. [laughs] I was like... I caught the... I went, I'd, I got a, someone gave me a lift to Pittsburgh. This is when I saw the worst stuff. I got a lift to Pittsburgh, and then I caught the Greyhound from Pittsburgh to Cleveland to open for Sam Tallent, who let me op- who, unbelievably, let me open for him.

Joe Rogan 5:19 He's the best.

Speaker 5:20 I'd met him in Australia. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:21 Such a good guy.

Speaker 5:22 And, uh, but, like, that bus trip from Pittsburgh to Cleveland was, it was the most-

Joe Rogan 5:27 Mm-hmm

Speaker 5:27 ... upsetting. Oh, man. I was, people were spitting on the ground at the bus station. Uh, like, an immigrant, like, an illegal immigrant woman came and tried to give me a phone. I remember that vividly.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Give you a phone?

Speaker 5:38 She tried to give me a free phone.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Why?

Speaker 5:40 She's like, "You can have this," because she said, she said, "You're on benefits. Everyone on benefits gets a free phone." It was some, like, policy. She just assumed I was on benefits because I was at the Greyhound bus station.

Joe Rogan 5:51 And she was illegal?

Speaker 5:52 I don't know if she was illegal, but she had a strong accent and, like-

Joe Rogan 5:55 [laughs]

Speaker 5:55 ... a weird dress and a baby on her back and a sack full of phones.

Joe Rogan 5:59 A sack full of phones.

Speaker 5:59 She had, like, a sack of phones that she was-

Joe Rogan 6:01 So she was somehow in charge of distributing free phones to people?

Speaker 6:04 I'll never truly know what that was about.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Boy, I would've investigated further

Speaker 6:09 There was, uh [laughs]

Joe Rogan 6:10 [laughs]

Speaker 6:10 I was just scared. I was just scared. They were like-

Joe Rogan 6:13 What the fuck? Some-

Speaker 6:13 ... huge African guys sitting on the ground

Joe Rogan 6:15 Who tries to give you a phone?

Speaker 6:17 Oh, it was... And then after that I'd sat next to a guy who was having a full psychotic episode.

Joe Rogan 6:20 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6:21 I think we follow each other on Instagram now. He's gotten rid of [laughs] his Instagram.

Joe Rogan 6:24 Really?

Speaker 6:24 But yeah, but he told me the secrets about Chris Benoit, that he was a good man.

Joe Rogan 6:28 The wrestler?

Speaker 6:29 Mm-hmm. He killed his family.

Joe Rogan 6:31 Yeah.

Speaker 6:31 But this guy tried to tell me, "Yeah, he, he was... I... It's, like, burnt..." He said, "He only killed his family to send them to God, and you can't blame a man for that."

Joe Rogan 6:38 Oh.

Speaker 6:38 It's like, all right.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Boy.

Speaker 6:40 Let's... This is only a three-hour bus trip.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Oh, boy

Speaker 6:42 We're gonna get through this. We're gonna be fine.

Joe Rogan 6:44 Oh, boy.

Speaker 6:45 Oh, man. But I did, I did enjoy my time in that part of the world. It is-

Joe Rogan 6:48 Well, you probably enjoy it now that it's over-

Speaker 6:51 I-

Joe Rogan 6:51 ... that you survived it

Speaker 6:52 ... you make a good point.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Yeah. There's some things-

Speaker 6:54 [laughs] If you asked me at the time.

Joe Rogan 6:56 Yeah. There's some things that are not fun while they're happening, but are really fun once you got through it.

Speaker 7:01 I mean, I remember the people I met along the way. Uh, I remember driving to Austin, and, like, s- it, it was like spring was sta- Like, the further south we got, the more lush it became.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah.

Speaker 7:13 And it was like, "Fuck, I might, I might be okay." And then someone let me stay in their hou- I didn't have a house to stay in, so my f- a podcast listener's friend let us stay in their house.

Joe Rogan 7:21 With your family?

Speaker 7:22 With my whole family. Let us house sit for them while they were in Japan.

Joe Rogan 7:25 Oh my God.

Speaker 7:25 Um-

Joe Rogan 7:26 That's crazy

Speaker 7:27 ... hone- the whole time it was like, "If I don't get, [laughs] if I don't get past the mothership now, I..." I don't think people should come here and live in their cars with their family, but it does, you know-

Joe Rogan 7:37 Lights a fire under your ass

Speaker 7:39 ... worked.

Joe Rogan 7:39 Well, that's the thing. It's like if you're forced into action-

Speaker 7:42 Yeah

Joe Rogan 7:43 ... like, you had no... Not just yourself. Like, you could go, "Oh, woe is me." But when you're a father and a husband, you have children.

Speaker 7:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:51 And people who do not have children do not understand the drive that it gives you to protect and care for those little people. It's kind of crazy. So if you'll find something.

Speaker 8:03 Well, I don't understand how people do it without... Like, I'd meet men who are really driven and motivated, and they have no kids. But they're like, every day they're working out. I, I don't know what their motivation is. Before I had kids-

Joe Rogan 8:13 Money

Speaker 8:14 ... I was just, "What are you doing, buying things?"

Joe Rogan 8:16 They're in a, they're in a game. They're playing a game.

Speaker 8:19 No.

Joe Rogan 8:19 Yeah, they're just playing this game of accumulate the most stuff, be able to brag about the most stuff you have and-

Speaker 8:26 I'd so much rather lie down.

Joe Rogan 8:28 [laughs]

Speaker 8:28 [laughs] I would rather not do anything if I had a choice.

Joe Rogan 8:31 But not really, 'cause you love doing comedy.

Speaker 8:33 I love doing comedy, but I'd never, before I had kids, was trying to do comedy that people would enjoy. Do you know what I mean? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 8:40 I think that is also-

Speaker 8:41 I was like-

Joe Rogan 8:41 ... though, because you were living in Australia, and-

Speaker 8:44 Yeah

Joe Rogan 8:44 ... there's limited options, right?

Speaker 8:47 I had, I had no options.

Joe Rogan 8:47 Can, can you explain, like, the Australian system is very different than America.

Speaker 8:50 It's very-

Joe Rogan 8:50 It's mostly festival driven, correct?

Speaker 8:52 It's festival driven, and it's, uh, to a much greater extent, I've thought about this, it's, like, industry driven. Like-

Joe Rogan 8:59 Industry.

Speaker 8:59 Yeah. We don't have-

Joe Rogan 9:00 What, which industry?

Speaker 9:01 Like, uh, managers and agents, which is one role in Australia, but they, they are deciding who's succeeding, and TV people are deciding who's succeeding. Whereas, like, in America, everybody is on the road, everybody has one or two openers.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 9:15 And there are, there's a whole lineage of who brought who up-

Joe Rogan 9:19 Right

Speaker 9:19 ... in the business. Like, uh, Dan Soder had Nick Mullen, Tim Dillon, and Shane Gillis open for him. Like, those were his openers.

Joe Rogan 9:27 Right.

Speaker 9:28 Um, and not because they were successful or someone wanted them to thrive, he just thought they were funny people.

Joe Rogan 9:33 Right.

Speaker 9:33 And they got to be his openers. And you, I don't know who you were opening for, but you have people who come up and-

Joe Rogan 9:38 Well, I didn't really-

Speaker 9:39 ... you get to put them on

Joe Rogan 9:40 ... do it... I didn't have it that way. I do it that way, but I didn't have it that way. I didn't really come up with anybody, where I opened for anybody. I just, but I had a very weird path to success.

Speaker 9:49 You also, you got to go to LA and just be in the milieu. Like, there's a scene there.

Joe Rogan 9:55 Well-

Speaker 9:55 There's a lot of people

Joe Rogan 9:55 ... I came out to LA with a job already.

Speaker 9:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 9:58 I was on a sitcom already.

Speaker 9:59 You started in Boston, though.

Joe Rogan 10:01 Yes.

Speaker 10:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:01 Started in Boston. Look, it's very embarrassing how lucky I am. I'm, like, one of the luckiest people that's ever lived. Like, it's stumble upon success after success. So when I was six years into comedy, I was already on TV. So I was three years into comedy, I was basically barely getting paid. I was barely a professional. Like, I was getting some spots in bars and stuff-

Speaker 10:28 Yeah

Joe Rogan 10:29 ... like that. I was making money, but I was driving limousines, I was doing odd jobs, doing different things. And, uh, I was also still teaching at the time. I was still teaching Taekwondo. For the first maybe six months or so, when I was 21, I, I think I kept teaching, and then I eventually had to quit because I realized I could not commit to doing both things. I don't wanna half-ass my students-

Speaker 10:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 10:55 ... and I don't wanna h- So, so, so for the first two, three years of comedy, barely, you know, I'm barely a comedian. Just, I'm trying. I'm trying to do it. I'm getting some laughs. Met a manager as an open mic-er, and he brought me to New York, and he's still my manager today.

Speaker 11:13 Wow.

Joe Rogan 11:14 The best.

Speaker 11:14 I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 11:15 Yeah. It's total luck. Total luck.

Speaker 11:17 No, you're also a super handsome guy. I've seen, I've seen you then.

Joe Rogan 11:21 I was boy pretty. [laughs]

Speaker 11:22 You, uh... [laughs] You look like a fucking different person, first of all. Not worse, 'cause that is crazy. But also, a lot of those comics who you started with, who maybe it took longer, were, I won't say hideous, but they don't l- they didn't look great.

Joe Rogan 11:32 Well, that definitely helped me get on television. It definitely helped me get on television. So I did the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour, um, in 1993, I believe it was, and next thing you know, I had a development deal, and next thing you know, I was on a sitcom and living out here.

Speaker 11:46 I mean, that happened fast.

Joe Rogan 11:47 Living in LA.

Speaker 11:47 But do you think it doesn't happen for people? Do you think there's anyone in America who has a good work ethic and is really talented that it doesn't work out for in comedy? Or does it work out eventually?

Joe Rogan 11:57 You'd have to have a health issue.

Speaker 11:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:59 Health issues or a really horrible relationship.

Speaker 12:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:02 Those things could do you in.

Speaker 12:03 Or, like, you could have a drug problem.

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yeah.

Speaker 12:04 You could-

Joe Rogan 12:04 That'll do you in

Speaker 12:05 ... gamble your money away. But-

Joe Rogan 12:06 That could do you in, too. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12:08 That-

Joe Rogan 12:08 There's a bunch of things that can do you in

Speaker 12:10 ... but that's crazy. Like, that-There are, like, not a lot of undiscovered geniuses in America in the same way. Like, people will wanna make money off of you if you've got it.

Joe Rogan 12:21 Yeah, but there's some people that are just really horrible at marketing, like Brian Holzman, for instance.

Speaker 12:26 [laughs] Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:27 Right? We-

Speaker 12:27 Yeah

Joe Rogan 12:27 ... we had to kind of, like, force Brian Holzman into the modern era.

Speaker 12:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 12:33 Like, and he's always been a comic's comic, and he's always been a guy that we would all sit in the back of the room at the mu- at, at, at the store and watch.

Speaker 12:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:41 But he was always getting these terrible spots, and it wasn't until we broke... 'Cause he never went on the road.

Speaker 12:46 He never went on the road.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Brian and I started out together. So, at the store together in '94. We were both... Like, I think he came in '93, and I came a year later.

Speaker 12:55 And he was working for, like, PanAm or something?

Joe Rogan 12:57 He was a dog catcher for a while.

Speaker 12:59 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 12:59 Yeah. He was a m- I think he might've been a meter maid. He-

Speaker 13:02 Is he here at the mo- I haven't seen him yet.

Joe Rogan 13:04 Yes, he's here all the time.

Speaker 13:05 Okay.

Joe Rogan 13:05 He lives out here now.

Speaker 13:06 I didn't know if he'd gone off to Taiwan.

Joe Rogan 13:06 I don't know if he goes back and forth, but he, he lives out here all the time.

Speaker 13:10 I, uh-

Joe Rogan 13:10 He's the best.

Speaker 13:11 We... I went to church with him. I don't know if, even if I should tell this story, but I- we would, we went to church together once, and it was really lovely. He took me out for breakfast afterwards 'cause he's Catholic, and it was so funny 'cause the priest at the end, like, gave the announcements, and one of the things, he was like, "They're doing a parish co- they're doing," like, uh... What do, what do you call it? Like a, like a talent show for everybody, and he's just announcing this to the whole, like, 300 people, and Brian goes, he goes there every week, and they go, "So if anyone's got a skill, if anyone's a juggler, anyone's a comedian-"

Joe Rogan 13:38 [laughs]

Speaker 13:38 "... come and do that for the talent show for everybody." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 13:41 [laughs]

Speaker 13:41 And he d- he ga- he gave no impression that he would be doing it, but I lo- "You fucking spoon-faced Japs," and then he would be terrified and upset if he had brought that.

Joe Rogan 13:50 [laughs]

Speaker 13:50 He's the sweetest man ever. I don't wanna give that away if people don't know.

Joe Rogan 13:53 He's a gentleman, and I-

Speaker 13:53 He's a lovely man.

Joe Rogan 13:54 He's a great guy in real life.

Speaker 13:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:56 He always was. Always was, like, I've known him forever. Um, so we, we were, we... So he's an, what, what I would say is, like, an undiscovered genius 'cause he was a guy-

Speaker 14:04 Yeah

Joe Rogan 14:04 ... that's just fucking killing it, but never went on the road. He only j- worked the store. I rarely saw him even at, like, the Laugh Factory or the Improv. I don't, I don't c- I don't know if I could ever recall seeing him at those places.

Speaker 14:17 But he had, he had to consciously make the decision not to go on the road.

Joe Rogan 14:21 Well, it's hard because it's not offered to you, you know? It's like, how do you do it?

Speaker 14:27 You just gotta pay your dues.

Joe Rogan 14:27 If you just do all your sets at the store-

Speaker 14:29 Yeah

Joe Rogan 14:29 ... you kinda have to have someone take you with them, right?

Speaker 14:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:33 So what I, what happened with me is I mostly did the road around New York and Connecticut, so when I moved to New York in, I guess, in '91-ish... Yeah, so probably, like, '91-ish, and so when I moved there, um, the real money, like, to be able to pay bills was in the road.

Speaker 14:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:51 It was not in New Y- New York City. New York City did not pay, pay very well. You can get a lot of spots, but, uh, also I was really new, so maybe I couldn't have gotten a lot of spots, but I could get a lot of spots doing gigs for, like, John Schuler. He had a, a whole Connecticut run that you could do. They were great gigs. They'd pay, like, 300 bucks a night. Or you could do Gonzo out a bunch in New Jersey, and those paid really well.

Speaker 15:14 Did this, did this collapse at some point? I remember-

Joe Rogan 15:15 No, there's still probably some sort of a network of-

Speaker 15:17 But there was, like-

Joe Rogan 15:18 ... of road shows

Speaker 15:20 ... there's a... Louis has a story on someone's podcast about, like, crashing his motorcycle and then, like, a bubble bursting. I don't know if he was speaking-

Joe Rogan 15:27 A bubble burst he was talking about?

Speaker 15:28 It was like comedy all of a sudden clubs started to close.

Joe Rogan 15:32 Well, there's been ups and downs-

Speaker 15:34 Has there?

Joe Rogan 15:34 ... with that. There was, there was, um... I came into comedy in '88, and apparently in '84 in Boston it was even better.

Speaker 15:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Like, there was, like, a peak in Bo- I'm like, "Really?" Like, 'cause when I came in it was amazing. There was clubs everywhere, and like, "Nah, you missed it." So there's always been th- this, like, up and down-

Speaker 15:53 Yeah

Joe Rogan 15:53 ... of clubs closing and club... But, but, like, New York is on the rise right now. There's a bunch of clubs that have opened up in New York. New York's c- comedy right now is fucking doing great.

Speaker 16:01 I hope... Yeah, I hope they can figure it out.

Joe Rogan 16:03 What do you mean?

Speaker 16:04 Well, I... Well, I was in, uh... Last time I was in LA, the spirit was so... I was never in LA for it being great, but I've heard all the stories about-

Joe Rogan 16:12 Yeah

Speaker 16:12 ... everyone's sports car out the back of the thing, and there's this gig and that gig. And then I was... Everybody, like, has no sense that it's ever gonna work for them. Like, no one's even bothered to... There's like three podcasts in LA now that people are doing. I don't wanna talk it down, but, like, here everybody is so hopeful in Austin.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Yeah.

Speaker 16:27 And I, I can look at, like, Peyton made it. Like, last night I'm looking at that green room. I'm like, all of these people have money-

Joe Rogan 16:33 Yeah

Speaker 16:33 ... and are touring, and they came here and they got to do it.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 16:37 Like, and the hope and the adventure. And when I was in LA, everyone was [laughs] just-

Joe Rogan 16:41 You might've picked a bad night

Speaker 16:42 ... I'm better having a nice time.

Joe Rogan 16:43 But it, it's also, like, The Comedy Store has always been a top-

Speaker 16:46 That seems like it's getting better.

Joe Rogan 16:47 Yeah, it is getting better. Well, it's de- definitely getting better 'cause Rose is running it now.

Speaker 16:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:51 And she's awesome. But I think The Comedy Store has always been a top-down vibe, and if there was a bunch of, like, big name national acts that were really cool and fun to hang out with, then it was a great vibe.

Speaker 17:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:04 And when they're gone, it always felt empty. It always felt weird. This is how it was with me in the '90s when I was there, and I think that's how it is now. We're all out here now.

Speaker 17:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:14 You know? And it's like... And then people kinda feel abandoned, so they feel sad, you know? It feels... And then they get a little mad at you. Like, "Oh, you think fucking me doing it in Austin, meh, meh, meh." And so it develops this stupid rift, which is-

Speaker 17:26 Yeah

Joe Rogan 17:27 ... the dumbest thing ever. We're all on the same team, and also you could work here too. Like, it's so dumb.

Speaker 17:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:32 Like, but the rift is a real thing. But it's like you have to be around a bunch of people that are having a good time to have a good time.

Speaker 17:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:39 You can't be the only person having a good time.

Speaker 17:41 And the rift can be good. The rift can motivate people to... Have you seen Lemay's Twitter?

Joe Rogan 17:47 To get their shit together? No, what's he doing?

Speaker 17:48 He's just going hard on New York people and saying-

Joe Rogan 17:50 Oh, he-

Speaker 17:51 ... "Fuck all of them, and Austin's number one." He's trying to g- he's doing the same thing they were doing to him.

Joe Rogan 17:54 That's so silly.

Speaker 17:55 But I think, I think he-

Joe Rogan 17:56 New York is fucking great

Speaker 17:57 ... I think he gets very drunk and he starts swinging at people.

Joe Rogan 17:59 New York comedy is great.

Speaker 17:59 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 17:59 There's so many great comics, Norman and Soder and fucking Andrew Schulz, and Dave Attell's the best alive.

Speaker 18:06 I don't know anyone who has children there.

Joe Rogan 18:07 There's great comedians in New York.

Speaker 18:08 I don't see how you could have kids in New York.

Joe Rogan 18:10 Uh, Gaffigan raised all his kids there, and he's like-

Speaker 18:13 In the city?

Joe Rogan 18:13 ... su- yeah, and he's super clean Catholic guyYeah

Speaker 18:17 I don't know how he's-

Joe Rogan 18:18 Got some money

Speaker 18:19 I've never got to meet him

Joe Rogan 18:19 Well, first of all, he's got some money, so he can-

Speaker 18:20 Money has gotta help

Joe Rogan 18:21 ... send them to a nice place to go to school where they're not gonna get eaten. [laughs]

Speaker 18:26 I, I think the trans thing is done in the schools.

Joe Rogan 18:30 Yeah, it's dropped off significantly.

Speaker 18:31 Sh- I had really... 'Cause we were homeschooling, and I, I was just aware, 'cause my dad's a teacher, and he would, he would say, I don't wanna get him [laughs] in trouble, but he would report-

Joe Rogan 18:41 [laughs]

Speaker 18:41 He would report that the numbers were developing, and I think as a social phenomenon, it seems to have like, now everyone just says they have an anxiety disorder.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Well, um, you know, when it dropped off, like noticeably?

Speaker 18:53 When?

Joe Rogan 18:53 When Elon bought Twitter.

Speaker 18:55 We just stop pumping the content to see what's happening?

Joe Rogan 18:57 Well, all of a sudden you could say whatever you wanted.

Speaker 19:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:00 And so you could make fun of it now, and then people realize, oh, this is, is a, a completely falsely propped up narrative.

Speaker 19:08 Well, see, I mean-

Joe Rogan 19:08 Do you smoke cigars?

Speaker 19:09 I quit all nicotine s-

Joe Rogan 19:12 Interesting

Speaker 19:12 Do you have, do you have alcohol? [laughs] I'll have a drink.

Joe Rogan 19:14 I can get you some alcohol.

Speaker 19:15 All right.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Yeah.

Speaker 19:16 If I could have a whiskey.

Joe Rogan 19:17 We'll get you-

Speaker 19:17 I quit, I quit all nicotine, uh-

Joe Rogan 19:19 What happened?

Speaker 19:20 I d- I, I was having heart palpitations. I was doing it a lot.

Joe Rogan 19:24 [laughs]

Speaker 19:25 I had a problem. I cannot do a little bit.

Joe Rogan 19:28 Ah.

Speaker 19:29 I see you, you'll just, like, you'll be backstage, you'll have one cigarette-

Joe Rogan 19:32 Yeah

Speaker 19:32 ... and you're fine.

Joe Rogan 19:33 Yeah.

Speaker 19:33 I can't.

Joe Rogan 19:34 And I never smoke outside of right before a show.

Speaker 19:37 I don't, I mean, I-

Joe Rogan 19:39 But I'm-

Speaker 19:39 More power to you. I can't do that

Joe Rogan 19:40 ... I know how to shut things off, and I, I also regulate, like, like, uh, I realize, like when I, when I have an issue. Like the nicotine pouches, I can just stop them. I've gone on vacation and just not take them, and I'm fine.

Speaker 19:52 I-

Joe Rogan 19:53 I think, but I think it's my biology.

Speaker 19:54 No.

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Speaker 21:02 I was quitting, going back, when I went back to Australia and I came off nicotine at the same time. I think that was the closest to serious unpleasant.

Joe Rogan 21:11 Really?

Speaker 21:11 I don't think I ever got through to abusive, but man, there was a lot of shouting at the family. What the fuck are you doing?

Joe Rogan 21:16 [laughs]

Speaker 21:17 Put it down.

Joe Rogan 21:18 [laughs]

Speaker 21:19 I was not a happy-

Joe Rogan 21:20 How long did it last?

Speaker 21:22 It was for a month, I was real bad.

Joe Rogan 21:24 Wow.

Speaker 21:25 I was real bad.

Joe Rogan 21:26 That's crazy. For me, um, I don't know what it is, man. I just, I could just put it alone, leave it alone, and I'm fine. And I, I monitored myself, like I went on vacation for like eight days with the family.

Speaker 21:38 Nice.

Joe Rogan 21:38 And I said, "All right, no nicotine pouches. Let's see what happens." To see if I-

Speaker 21:41 You were fine?

Joe Rogan 21:41 ... see if I go crazy.

Speaker 21:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:42 I was waiting. Nothing. Nothing hap- nothing. Was it you with the pouches? Was the pouches the thing?

Speaker 21:48 I loved the patches. And also-

Joe Rogan 21:50 Interesting. Interesting

Speaker 21:50 ... I mean, I, I got on the patches to get off the cigarettes, and then I had to go on the cigarettes to get off the patches.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Mm. [laughs]

Speaker 21:56 And then I was having cigarettes and patches and the gum.

Joe Rogan 21:59 [laughs]

Speaker 21:59 And, uh, my heart would start to go, and my mood would like go way up and way down.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Wow.

Speaker 22:06 Um, but it was great. I got a lot done.

Joe Rogan 22:07 See, I, I get addicted to things.

Speaker 22:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:10 Like doing things, um, like real bad. Like, uh, I used-

Speaker 22:15 Archery, yeah

Joe Rogan 22:15 ... I used to get addicted. Archery, sure, but the thing about archery is you can only do it so much.

Speaker 22:19 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 22:19 Archery's good because it's, you know, my bow is 80 pounds to pull back.

Speaker 22:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:24 And so if I'm pulling it back, and I have another one that's 90. And so when I'm pulling it back 80 pounds, you can only do that so many times. You know, I could do that maybe 100 times in a day, and my fucking shoulder's blown out.

Speaker 22:36 If you're hunting, though, I mean, you're not shooting very often, but you wouldn't be able to get so tired that if you got-

Joe Rogan 22:42 No

Speaker 22:42 ... in a dangerous situation, you couldn't do it.

Joe Rogan 22:43 No, no, no, no. When you're hunting, first of all, you're jacked up with adrenaline. Like f- like you could pull a branch off a fucking tree. You're, you're so jacked up with adrenaline. You're just trying to stay calm. Like when you're about to pull your bow, the bow come, pulls back effortlessly.

Speaker 22:58 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 22:58 Uh, it's like, zhoop. It's like you don't even notice that it's, it pulls back so easy.

Speaker 23:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:03 You're so ramped up, you're not even thinking about it.

Speaker 23:05 How often are you doing that?

Joe Rogan 23:06 Bow hunting?

Speaker 23:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Seriously, only a couple times a year.

Speaker 23:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Because I'm elk hunting, you know? And if I get an elk-

Speaker 23:13 Seasonal?

Joe Rogan 23:14 Yes.

Speaker 23:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:14 It's September. September and October, those are the time. But in, in Texas, we hunt pigs sometimes. We have a, a lease out here, so we'll go-

Speaker 23:21 Yeah

Joe Rogan 23:22 ... and hunt with a few of my friends from Archery Country. Shout out to Tyler. Uh, [clears throat] and my friend Evan from Black Rifle Coffee. We'll go out to-

Speaker 23:29 You have wild pigs?

Joe Rogan 23:30 Oh, they're everywhere.

Speaker 23:32 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:32 They're infested with, wild pigs are all over Texas.

Speaker 23:36 Oh, thank you.

Joe Rogan 23:36 There's millions of them. Like, literally millions of them. Like, one time they opened up a highway, like they had built this new highway, and, uh, the day it opened up, they had like this fucking ridiculous amount of accidents 'cause people were hitting wild pigs. 'Cause there were so many wild pigs out there that they're just crashing into them on the road [laughs] with this new highway.

Speaker 23:55 Well, yeah, you've gotta knock them out.

Joe Rogan 23:55 'Cause the pigs had never seen cars before on this spot because they hadn't finished the road yet. And then all of a sudden there's cars everywhere, and these wild pigs are just getting fucking-

Speaker 24:04 But did they-

Joe Rogan 24:05 Land wasted

Speaker 24:05 ... how did they get... 'Cause in Australia, when they have a kangaroo problem-

Joe Rogan 24:07 Cheers, sir

Speaker 24:07 ... and a similar thing. Cheers. God bless. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 24:09 God bless.

Speaker 24:10 They, um, they Gatling gun them from the sky. Have you seen them do that?

Joe Rogan 24:15 They do that here. They do that here, uh, out of helicopters. You could do it if you want while you're in town. I'll set it up.

Speaker 24:20 You knowI, we could do it this way. I would feel sa- I would feel guilty

Joe Rogan 24:24 Yeah, this is-

Speaker 24:24 That would seem not a sporting way to start hunting would be the-

Joe Rogan 24:27 It's a different kind of hunting

Speaker 24:28 ... machine gun. Yeah

Joe Rogan 24:28 Because it's a necessity hunting, right?

Speaker 24:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Um, I wanna eat what I kill. If I kill something, I wanna eat it.

Speaker 24:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:35 And the thing about these wild pigs is they're gunning down 20, 30, 40 of them in a day.

Speaker 24:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:40 They're doing them out of helicopters with machine guns. There's a bunch of companies that do it. There's [laughs] there's a video of Ted Nugent and this guy named Pigman. Pigman is, like, a famous bow hunter that lives in Texas, and, uh, they ca- it's called A Porkalypse Now, and the- they're in a [laughs] they're in a helicopter, Ted Nugent and Pigman in a helicopter, and they gun down, like, 240 pigs in a half hour pod- uh, not podcast.

Speaker 25:06 Yeah, yeah

Joe Rogan 25:07 Hunting show.

Speaker 25:07 That would be a great podcast.

Joe Rogan 25:09 It's on YouTube.

Speaker 25:09 He's called Pigman?

Joe Rogan 25:10 Yeah, that's his-

Speaker 25:10 He's a pig-killing influencer.

Joe Rogan 25:11 His name's Brian.

Speaker 25:12 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 25:12 His name's Brian.

Speaker 25:13 Sure.

Joe Rogan 25:13 But it's Pigman, his nickname.

Speaker 25:14 Brian Pigman.

Joe Rogan 25:15 He just kills a lot of wild pigs. But it's a necessity out here.

Speaker 25:18 Is it?

Joe Rogan 25:18 Look at this is... But you have to understand how many pigs they have out here and the kind of damage. That's Pigman. And the, uh, the kind of damage that these pigs do to agriculture. You know, they, they go through fences, and they fuck up... Livestock gets out, and there's a lot of shit with these things.

Speaker 25:39 Good God.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Yeah. Oh, it's crazy.

Speaker 25:40 Is this the argument for bringing wolves back in?

Joe Rogan 25:43 No. Do not bring wolves-

Speaker 25:45 'Cause no, I'm against it, but I don't understand the... What is the most pro... Is there one sensible argument for bringing back in apex predators to...?

Joe Rogan 25:55 Well, there's arguments for it. You could make an argument for it. The problem is y- you do not understand, no one understands what the ultimate result is gonna be of introducing predators. There is a very strong reason why they eradicated wolves from the West Coast-

Speaker 26:12 Yeah

Joe Rogan 26:12 ... and from the United States. 'Cause they fucking kill everything. They're super smart, apex predators. They work in packs unlike any other animal. They're very different. [clears throat] And they kill everything, and you can't do shit about them, and they kill people. If they-

Speaker 26:24 Also, like the, i- in the UK, they got rid of them hundreds of years ago.

Joe Rogan 26:27 Yeah.

Speaker 26:27 And it's just like they celebrated it, and also things seem to be fine.

Joe Rogan 26:29 They got rid of them in America, too.

Speaker 26:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:31 I mean, and now these fucking greenies, these softies that really don't understand nature wanna bring them back. So there's a good argument in some ways that having some predators would help, but the predators were slowly moving their way back into these areas anyway.

Speaker 26:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:50 So they never eradicated them from Canada, so they would come down from Canada and make their way into Minnesota.

Speaker 26:56 Okay.

Joe Rogan 26:56 Make their way into Iowa, make their way into, not Iowa, uh, Idaho, um, Wyoming, Montana. They had, like, a small amount of wolves were kind of making their way in. Then they reintroduced a bunch of them into Montana in the 1990s-

Speaker 27:12 Yeah

Joe Rogan 27:12 ... into Yellowstone. That changed everything. That changed everything. It dropped the elk population by, down to, like, 40% of what it used to be, which m- many people argue is actually a good thing because there was no predators in terms of, like, like, there's mountain lions, but mountain lions don't kill that many elk.

Speaker 27:30 Sure.

Joe Rogan 27:30 They'll kill one i- like, a week.

Speaker 27:33 Like, families go to Yellowstone.

Joe Rogan 27:34 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 27:35 So now there's just wolves.

Joe Rogan 27:37 Yeah, but the wolves are not fucking with the people-

Speaker 27:39 Okay

Joe Rogan 27:39 ... at Yellowstone. They really are just concentrating on the animals, and they've, like, really knocked down the elk population substantially. But now they have an open hunting season on wolves in Montana because the, the, the numbers got a lot higher than they should be.

Speaker 27:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:54 So now, like, I know guys who hunt wolves, and they go on wolf... It's very difficult to hunt them.

Speaker 27:59 I was gonna say it sounds more dangerous and-

Joe Rogan 28:01 No, it's not that-

Speaker 28:02 ... unpleasant than hunting elk.

Joe Rogan 28:03 Well-

Speaker 28:04 No?

Joe Rogan 28:04 It is dangerous in that it is a predator, and if you do get surrounded by them, and they decide to eat you, and you, you're out of bullets, you could be fucked. But for the most part, they're very difficult to hunt. They're very difficult to find.

Speaker 28:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:15 They're also very difficult to get in range. They're fucking clever. They're clever, and once they realize they're being hunted, and they, once they realize that people are a problem, they fucking steer way clear of you.

Speaker 28:25 Like, what's the ideological reason for wanting them back? Just that they, it's good to be in a country with-

Joe Rogan 28:30 It's nature. I love nature

Speaker 28:32 ... assuming, just, yeah, but focus on the bees, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:34 Well, they-

Speaker 28:35 Red flowers

Joe Rogan 28:36 ... there's people that don't like hunting, and for people that don't like hunting, they want nature to balance itself out. So the people that don't like the idea of humans killing and eating animals-

Speaker 28:45 Yeah

Joe Rogan 28:46 ... they don't like them going out into the wild and killing wild animals, so they want something else to kill those wild animals. So then they bring in mountain lions, or then they bring in wolves, and then they think that nature's gonna sort itself out. It's a dumb ideology.

Speaker 29:00 I don't understand why nature has to do it. Why is it okay for them to... This is the vegetarian argument that I never understand is that death occurs in nature.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 29:08 Animals are eating other animals.

Joe Rogan 29:09 Right.

Speaker 29:10 So are we, if it's wrong to kill any animals, should we intervene? Should we shoot them?

Joe Rogan 29:14 Right. Should we kill all the mountain lions to keep them from killing all the deer?

Speaker 29:16 I thought Vegan Fox was one of my favorite, uh, bits that you ever did.

Joe Rogan 29:19 Oh, Vegan Cat.

Speaker 29:20 Is it, no.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Yeah.

Speaker 29:21 Was it not fox? You're not talking about a fox?

Joe Rogan 29:22 No, Vegan Cat. No, it's about a vegan cat.

Speaker 29:23 And it's very sick.

Joe Rogan 29:25 But it, uh, it literally is a true story.

Speaker 29:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:27 Like, this lady was saying mean things to me on Twitter or Instagram, and I saw one of the things on her page. I went to her page, it said #vegancat, and I was like, "No." And so then I clicked on it, and it's all cats that look like they've been stuck in a house-

Speaker 29:42 Yeah

Joe Rogan 29:42 ... with a gas leak. [laughs]

Speaker 29:43 Wait, maybe that got me started searching vegan animals, 'cause vegan fox I definitely read a lot about after that.

Joe Rogan 29:49 Yeah, there's people that have vegan dogs. They feed their dogs ve- but you're basically... You can kind of get away with it a little bit with a dog, but cats are what's called obligate predators. They only eat meat.

Speaker 30:00 They're ob- obligated to prey?

Joe Rogan 30:02 Yeah, they only eat meat. That's all they eat. That's it. They're just predators. They're full-on murderous machines. Like, house cats are some of the most murderous creatures on Earth.

Speaker 30:14 Well, not, not with you.

Joe Rogan 30:14 They kill billions of animal. Oh, yeah, as soon as you die.

Speaker 30:17 Soon as you die.

Joe Rogan 30:17 Yeah. They don't even wait.

Speaker 30:18 'Cause dogs will give you an afternoon.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Couple weeks.

Speaker 30:21 No, weeks?

Joe Rogan 30:21 [laughs]

Speaker 30:21 I thought dogs gave you-Just a little head start. But the cats-

Joe Rogan 30:25 It depends on how starving they are, you know? The, they, if they're starving to death, their instincts-

Speaker 30:29 Yeah

Joe Rogan 30:29 ... kick in and they'll eat you. But cats just start eating you. They're like, "Oh look, eyeballs."

Speaker 30:34 Hmm. Hmm. Well, you have to get ... Well, you have to get an animal. You have, you have dogs.

Joe Rogan 30:40 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 30:41 You have one dog, two dogs?

Joe Rogan 30:42 Two dogs.

Speaker 30:43 And you don't run the Instagram pages for these ani- Someone's running the dog Instagram page.

Joe Rogan 30:46 No, my family does.

Speaker 30:47 Really?

Joe Rogan 30:48 Yeah. Um, so we got a little guy named Charlie.

Speaker 30:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:51 He is a King Charles, King Charles Cavalier Spaniel.

Speaker 30:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:56 His ... It is the furthest animal away from wolf that is possible. Like, 'cause they all came-

Speaker 31:00 Ah

Joe Rogan 31:00 ... from wolves. But he's the furthest from a wolf. He has no-

Speaker 31:03 Yeah, but then-

Joe Rogan 31:03 I mean, he's this big. He's adorable.

Speaker 31:05 Don't you feel like wearing the big-

Joe Rogan 31:06 And you just love-

Speaker 31:06 ... wig and the stockings and holding him, you know?

Joe Rogan 31:08 Uh, no.

Speaker 31:08 I always wanted to be King Charles.

Joe Rogan 31:09 I just give him kisses.

Speaker 31:11 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 31:11 He's a sweetie, though.

Speaker 31:12 It's not yours, but-

Joe Rogan 31:13 That's what they look like.

Speaker 31:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:15 That's what they look like. I mean, come on. Look at that face. They're just so sweet. They're so happy just to be around you, and they're just so loving. And they, like, he makes sounds like a person. Like, he was doing something, like he was licking all this water that was coming off of a drain. And I go, "Hey, stop doing that." And I picked him up and he went, "Ahhh" [laughs] Like, he, he makes noises.

Speaker 31:35 You go, you are highlighting that dog.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Oh, I love him.

Speaker 31:36 That's ... But they don't, they don't make me feel sad. They're a little dog who look interesting.

Joe Rogan 31:40 Oh, that's him.

Speaker 31:40 But like I said-

Joe Rogan 31:40 That's Charlie

Speaker 31:41 ... that's him?

Joe Rogan 31:42 Yeah, that's Charlie.

Speaker 31:42 Pugs make me very sad. I think about pugs a lot.

Joe Rogan 31:45 Um-

Speaker 31:45 And they upset me. And the, and the long dogs, like the sausage dogs with the back problems. Anything that looks like it-

Joe Rogan 31:51 Right

Speaker 31:52 ... it's ready to die.

Joe Rogan 31:53 No, no, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. I-

Speaker 31:55 Like a golden retriever is great.

Joe Rogan 31:56 Yeah.

Speaker 31:56 Go walk with them in the summertime.

Joe Rogan 31:57 Well, I have one of those too.

Speaker 31:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:58 Yeah.

Speaker 31:58 It's my favorite.

Joe Rogan 31:59 Those two dogs are great. This is not like a pug. They're very active. They're really, they're, they're very-

Speaker 32:05 It's like a water dog.

Joe Rogan 32:06 It's a fucking dog that's just like a house dog. They're just like a little love machine. Just a little pet. He's a sweet, sweet little guy. Like, he's the best. He's so nice. He's like so ... And he just relentlessly tortures my dog Marshall.

Speaker 32:22 The big dog?

Joe Rogan 32:22 Yeah, who's the most tolerant dog on earth.

Speaker 32:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:25 He just lays there and the dog, the puppy's like, ah, like biting him-

Speaker 32:28 When did you get the puppy?

Joe Rogan 32:28 ... and biting his ear. He's a year old.

Speaker 32:30 Okay.

Joe Rogan 32:31 So we've had him for, whatever, eight months, I guess. Like, how, how many months do they give them to you? Three months old?

Speaker 32:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Something like that. How old are puppies when you get them?

Speaker 32:39 Yeah, they sh- should be, I think, eight weeks old, I think, minimum.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Yeah. So we've probably had him-

Speaker 32:43 I don't get-

Joe Rogan 32:43 ... for 10 months. He's fucking adorable.

Speaker 32:45 You cannot travel with a dog to Australia.

Joe Rogan 32:46 No.

Speaker 32:47 Um-

Joe Rogan 32:47 You have to get them all kinds of shots.

Speaker 32:48 Johnny Depp tried.

Joe Rogan 32:49 He, yeah, he got in big trouble for that, right?

Speaker 32:51 I think that was the beginning of the end of that marriage.

Joe Rogan 32:54 I think it, from the moment he said-

Speaker 32:56 No

Joe Rogan 32:56 ... [laughs] "Let's get married"

Speaker 32:57 ... they were happy, they were happy until that dog problem.

Joe Rogan 33:00 [laughs]

Speaker 33:00 But, uh, the guy who ... There was a politician who stopped Johnny Depp, who was like, he came out and said, "We're gonna destroy his dogs." And then everyone made fun of him-

Joe Rogan 33:08 Oh

Speaker 33:08 ... in America. But that guy is now doing, he's like big in the popu- emergent populist right in Australia over the last six months with-

Joe Rogan 33:15 And he got, he wanted to kill Johnny Depp's dogs?

Speaker 33:18 Yeah, he's a great speaker. He was like, "I don't care if you are People magazine's Sexiest Man of the Year. Get your dogs out."

Joe Rogan 33:24 Why?

Speaker 33:24 He was-

Joe Rogan 33:25 What's the big deal?

Speaker 33:26 Uh, we have no rabies. We have, we, we're very precious about the border. That's all we've got. His name's Barnaby Joyce. He is sick.

Joe Rogan 33:33 "Demand the dogs leave the country within 48 to 50 hours or we put down-"

Speaker 33:37 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 33:37 "... citing strict quarantine laws designed to protect diseases like rabies." But here's the thing, just test them.

Speaker 33:43 You'd think.

Joe Rogan 33:43 How much does it cost to test a dog for rabies?

Speaker 33:45 Can I-

Joe Rogan 33:45 It's probably pretty quick.

Speaker 33:46 Barnaby Joyce drunk, so this is short- not long after that, had an issue with the, uh, if you, yeah, Pistol and Boo. Yeah, go Barnaby Joyce drunk. They caught him, uh, on the streets of our, like, of Canberra, which is where the capital is.

Joe Rogan 33:58 What?

Speaker 33:58 And he was just passed out [laughs] in the street.

Joe Rogan 34:01 [laughs]

Speaker 34:01 He's like ... There he is, down in the bottom.

Joe Rogan 34:04 The bottom one?

Speaker 34:04 Barnaby Boo- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:06 The bottom one.

Speaker 34:06 Yeah. But he's, uh, he's just, he's just lying on the street. [laughs] That's-

Joe Rogan 34:13 When was it?

Speaker 34:14 It wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 34:15 A few years ago.

Joe Rogan 34:17 Joyce P- early? [laughs]

Speaker 34:19 That man was in the government.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Good. What's wrong? It's a safe place to live.

Speaker 34:25 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 34:25 I was walking back to my accommodations after Parliament rose at 10:00 PM. Oh, that's all he was doing, just walking back to his accommodations.

Speaker 34:32 He's having a walk. I do like him a lot.

Joe Rogan 34:34 Look, he's just taking a nap. He's just chilling. We have a strong tradition.

Speaker 34:38 It could be a long walk.

Joe Rogan 34:39 Yeah, man. Give the guy a break.

Speaker 34:41 It's ki- We're finally ... We were the last country to have, like, a right-wing populist thing happen. You guys had the Trump, and then England is having it happen with ... Like, in a, in a big way. It's really starting to swing there.

Joe Rogan 34:53 So it's swinging right now in-

Speaker 34:54 It's for the first time

Joe Rogan 34:55 ... Australia?

Speaker 34:55 It's starting up, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:56 And what's, what's causing that?

Speaker 34:57 Terrorist attack was not good.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Yeah.

Speaker 34:59 Um, and then also running out of petrol really has upset people.

Joe Rogan 35:04 Yeah.

Speaker 35:04 Uh, we don't have, we don't make our own gas. We had two refineries, one of them accidentally blew up a week ago.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Do you think it accidentally blew up?

Speaker 35:13 I have no comment to make on that. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:15 What do you think, though?

Speaker 35:15 No, I think probably someone-

Joe Rogan 35:18 Seems like someone

Speaker 35:18 ... seems like real bad luck.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Seems like it.

Speaker 35:20 I mean, they would've been doing it at, like, max capacity. Maybe they did it past when it was safe, but it's not, uh ... I thought I wasn't gonna make it out of the country. Like-

Joe Rogan 35:27 'Cause they're out of gas?

Speaker 35:28 ... flights started to get canceled.

Joe Rogan 35:30 [laughs]

Speaker 35:30 Yeah. So I made it. We'll see if I can get back. And if not-

Joe Rogan 35:33 I hope you can't

Speaker 35:33 ... well, I'll just stay in Austin for another couple months.

Joe Rogan 35:35 I hope you can't get back.

Speaker 35:36 I'm sorry, honey. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:37 Just, we got a last spot for you.

Speaker 35:38 There's no choice. I'm not gonna get on a boat.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Plenty of work here.

Speaker 35:42 It is so nice getting to do it. It is so nice having a club that no ... It's like there's four cities in the world where you can do it. I think about this a lot. There's nowhere, like, in America, there's three, and that'd be London. That's it. That's it.

Joe Rogan 35:56 That you can what?

Speaker 35:57 That there's, like, multiple rooms with lineup shows every night of the week.

Joe Rogan 36:02 Right.

Speaker 36:02 So people can just go and run 10, 15 minutes.

Joe Rogan 36:05 Yeah.

Speaker 36:05 And, like, at a good room with people who know them.

Joe Rogan 36:07 And get paid.

Speaker 36:08 And get paid.

Joe Rogan 36:09 Yeah.

Speaker 36:09 I mean, you need all of those factors to be able to do it.

Joe Rogan 36:11 And you also need other comics around you.

Speaker 36:13 And you fucking made it happen. Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:14 This is one of the things that we were talking about last night in the green room, like, y- you know, me and Ari. Ari Shaffir's in town. And, uh, we were saying you can't be, like, the best comic in the world and just live in a small town in-You know, Cincinnati

Speaker 36:29 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 36:30 It's like it doesn't exist. By yourself, doesn't exist.

Speaker 36:33 They tried-

Joe Rogan 36:33 The comedy doesn't exist without the acting

Speaker 36:35 ... they tried it in a little town in Arizona, and the pressure seems to have driven that comedy club owner right over the edge.

Joe Rogan 36:41 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 36:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:42 Stan Hope's boy?

Speaker 36:42 That's not good.

Joe Rogan 36:43 But that guy was crazy already, right?

Speaker 36:44 Like, I didn't know a thing about it.

Joe Rogan 36:45 Yeah.

Speaker 36:46 I just saw him give the speech.

Joe Rogan 36:47 Well, if he's hanging with Stan Hope...

Speaker 36:49 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 36:49 You know, Stan Hope tends to collect some people that are on the fringe.

Speaker 36:53 Yeah. I'm not blaming Doug Stanhope. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 36:54 But that's a different scene, right? Like Stan Hope, you know, was just kinda being out there by himself, and he didn't even have a comedy club for the longest time while he lived there.

Speaker 37:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:02 It wasn't like there was a whole comedy scene there in Bisbee.

Speaker 37:05 What is it, like 20,000 people?

Joe Rogan 37:06 It's very small.

Speaker 37:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:07 He knows everybody, right? But the Austin thing was very different. Like we were s- stuck here. There was, there was not a lot of options. We could've gone to Houston, could've gone to Dallas, maybe Nashville. Noah, maybe Florida.

Speaker 37:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:21 There was no place else that we were allowed to do comedy.

Speaker 37:24 Nashville is, would be the next one-

Joe Rogan 37:27 Yeah

Speaker 37:27 ... that's really trying.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Nashville's got Zanies, which is awesome.

Speaker 37:30 Yep.

Joe Rogan 37:30 That's a great club. Um-

Speaker 37:32 And they have B- they got Theo there.

Joe Rogan 37:33 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 37:34 They've got Nate there.

Joe Rogan 37:34 Nate and Theo both live there, but I don't know how many sets they're doing in town. You know, N- Nate is doing fucking stadiums.

Speaker 37:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:40 He's doing these giant places all over the world. And Theo is killing it, and he's got one of the best podcasts in the world, so-

Speaker 37:47 But there's definitely, there are like Nashville comics who are coming, who I see around the place, who are doing really well.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Sure. I'm sure there's a smaller-

Speaker 37:52 They have a scene

Joe Rogan 37:53 ... scene, but the, in terms of like a lot of work-

Speaker 37:56 Yeah

Joe Rogan 37:57 ... Austin's the spot right now.

Speaker 37:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:58 'Cause there's seven clubs on our street.

Speaker 38:02 Hold on.

Joe Rogan 38:03 That's nuts. Within a block radius-

Speaker 38:06 Yeah

Joe Rogan 38:06 ... you've got Creek and the Cave-

Speaker 38:07 Yeah

Joe Rogan 38:07 ... which is over on 7th. You've got Sunset-

Speaker 38:10 Yeah

Joe Rogan 38:10 ... which is right next to us. You got Black Rabbit.

Speaker 38:13 I was gonna say Black Rabbit.

Joe Rogan 38:13 You've got the Velveeta Room.

Speaker 38:16 Yes. I'm gonna count Shakespeare's next door.

Joe Rogan 38:18 Yeah.

Speaker 38:19 I'll allow that.

Joe Rogan 38:20 They do comedy.

Speaker 38:20 Um-

Joe Rogan 38:21 But they'll... If you want to count cl-

Speaker 38:22 And I do love the Velveeta Room. I lo- I-

Joe Rogan 38:24 That place has been around forever

Speaker 38:26 ... it's been around forever, and, uh, there's the gay cabaret next door. I think it's expressed the gay, I just call it a gay cabaret.

Joe Rogan 38:31 You like going in there?

Speaker 38:32 I went there one, one evening. I was having a full mental breakdown. I don't know why, just a classic, you know-

Joe Rogan 38:39 Outta nowhere?

Speaker 38:40 Ah, you know, the kids, it's a lot of pressure. Maybe the act wasn't working. Maybe I've been on the road. I don't know. And I was down, and I was depressed, and I wandered into them doing their, the Esther's Follies show. I just set up the back, and I had a pina colada. And they were all like... There was a magician [laughs] there was, it was just a very camp magician, and then they're singing like campy show tunes about the Supreme Court or something, like they're still doing SNL style sketches.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Yeah.

Speaker 39:03 And it was like, you know, it was dumb and it was hokey, but it made me so happy.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 39:08 Just to like have, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 39:10 People having a good time

Speaker 39:11 ... razzle-dazzle, smiling. There was no bitterness.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Yeah, happiness.

Speaker 39:14 Yeah. And it made me wanna fix my act so that I wasn't... You know, like sometimes I feel I get up there and I'm just like screaming, and I look unpleasant, and these people are like... You owe people a show.

Joe Rogan 39:23 Yes.

Speaker 39:24 You know?

Joe Rogan 39:24 I don't think you look unpleasant.

Speaker 39:26 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 39:26 You're, but you're just very self-conscious-

Speaker 39:27 Nah

Joe Rogan 39:28 ... is what it is.

Speaker 39:28 Sometimes. I did the Creek and the Cave last night, and I did a lot of screaming into-

Joe Rogan 39:33 [laughs] Into the abyss?

Speaker 39:35 [laughs] I was like-

Joe Rogan 39:36 Yeah.

Speaker 39:38 "Ah."

Joe Rogan 39:38 Another great club. Fucking great-

Speaker 39:40 I love it

Joe Rogan 39:40 ... great spot.

Speaker 39:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:41 Creek and the Cave is a great club. It's a fun place. When it's packed, it's rocking. And, you know, it's a lot of good comedy coming out of that. But I mean, that's where Shane filmed his special as well.

Speaker 39:52 Do you think New York is, New York is on the up again? New York is finally-

Joe Rogan 39:53 Yeah. Everybody that I talk to, all my friends from New York-

Speaker 39:56 Oh, that's good

Joe Rogan 39:56 ... all say that there's a lot of clubs opening. There's a lot going on.

Speaker 40:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:00 It's, it's, it's hopping. Didn't they just open up, uh, an, was it an improv in Brooklyn? Did they open up an improv in Brooklyn?

Speaker 40:08 I know this-

Joe Rogan 40:08 With this-

Speaker 40:08 ... Top Secret Comedy has just, like a London club has just moved there.

Joe Rogan 40:12 Hmm, interesting.

Speaker 40:13 Uh, I don't know how it's going, but they're doing like a free model, like people pay after.

Joe Rogan 40:15 They're trying to do, they were trying to do a UCB in Austin. I don't know if that's still happening. The problem with UCB is UCB in LA didn't pay at all.

Speaker 40:25 Is this improv?

Joe Rogan 40:26 No, Upright Citizens Brigade.

Speaker 40:28 Upright Citizens Brigade?

Joe Rogan 40:28 They have some improv, but they do stand-up shows.

Speaker 40:29 I thought that was at Second City. I did not... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 40:31 They do stand-up shows.

Speaker 40:32 Okay.

Joe Rogan 40:32 Yeah, but they don't pay you.

Speaker 40:34 They don't pay?

Joe Rogan 40:34 No, which is crazy.

Speaker 40:36 There was a history of that at this store.

Joe Rogan 40:39 Sure. That was the, the, there was like this big protest. What does it say?

Speaker 40:44 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 40:44 Improv Brooklyn, there you go.

Speaker 40:45 That's a strong zoom.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Yeah.

Speaker 40:46 Well, it was just-

Joe Rogan 40:47 Yeah, I think-

Speaker 40:48 Improv Brooklyn

Joe Rogan 40:48 ... Joey said he was going there. It's a, it's a completely new place.

Speaker 40:52 All right, this, I don't know if this is completely correct.

Joe Rogan 40:54 I think completely new. But this is what I'm saying, it's like it's popping.

Speaker 40:56 Some of the-

Joe Rogan 40:56 Comedy's coming back

Speaker 40:57 ... some improvs are Black, and some are not.

Joe Rogan 41:00 What?

Speaker 41:01 Like some improvs around the country are like just Black lineups.

Joe Rogan 41:04 Look at this lineup, dude.

Speaker 41:04 If I look at the lineups.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Look at the lineup. What are you talking about?

Speaker 41:05 I'm not saying here, I'm not saying here, but like in, uh-

Joe Rogan 41:07 You're sound, you sound like a racist foreigner

Speaker 41:08 ... in Cleveland, the improv is just a Black club.

Joe Rogan 41:12 I've done the improv in Cleveland, I think.

Speaker 41:14 It's a Black club.

Joe Rogan 41:15 Really?

Speaker 41:16 No negativity. I like, I like-

Joe Rogan 41:17 I can't appreciate white-

Speaker 41:17 I would like, I like playing Black clubs.

Speaker 41:19 Improv in Cleveland, where did someone list here?

Joe Rogan 41:21 So it's Cleveland, is, that's one, it's close to Kentucky, right?

Speaker 41:24 Am I getting this right? Maybe it's Pittsburgh.

Speaker 41:26 No, I don't think there's-

Joe Rogan 41:26 No, Pittsburgh's not B- I've been to that place.

Speaker 41:28 No, I've done that one as well. I'm coming-

Joe Rogan 41:29 Improv in Pittsburgh's great too

Speaker 41:30 ... I've dates coming up there as well.

Speaker 41:31 Hilarities or something up there?

Speaker 41:32 I'm telling... Well, Hilarities was the non-racially-

Joe Rogan 41:36 Go back to that website real quick.

Speaker 41:37 I'm-

Joe Rogan 41:38 Look at all the different ones. Wow.

Speaker 41:40 I think there's not one in Cleveland though.

Joe Rogan 41:41 There's a ton of them.

Speaker 41:42 Is one of those fake Cl- maybe it shut down.

Speaker 41:44 No.

Joe Rogan 41:44 So the other, there's a club in Cleveland.

Speaker 41:47 I think I'm right.

Joe Rogan 41:47 There is a club in Cleveland that I went to way back in the day. Um, but it's really, you land in Kentucky, and then you drive to Cleveland.

Speaker 41:56 What?

Joe Rogan 41:57 Yeah.

Speaker 41:57 No, Cincinnati.

Joe Rogan 41:59 Oh, is it Cincinnati?

Speaker 42:00 Yeah, that makes more sense.

Speaker 42:00 Yeah, they're next to each other.

Joe Rogan 42:00 Okay, that's it. You're right.

Speaker 42:02 You need to drive out. Ohio is more built up-

Joe Rogan 42:05 Sorry, Ohio

Speaker 42:05 ... than people give credit before. Three huge cities. They got that chili that everybody loves.

Joe Rogan 42:10 Columbus. Great. Columbus is great.

Speaker 42:12 Columbus is g- Cincinnati has the most beautiful skyline.

Joe Rogan 42:14 You ever do the Funny Bone Columbus?

Speaker 42:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Fucking great club.

Speaker 42:16 With the balcony.

Joe Rogan 42:17 Oh.

Speaker 42:17 It was very nice.

Joe Rogan 42:18 That's a... Does it have a balcony?

Speaker 42:20 I'm pretty su- yes.

Speaker 42:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Columbus Funny Bone has a balcony?

Speaker 42:23 Am I getting this right?

Speaker 42:23 They've, uh, definitely changed it since you've been there last.

Joe Rogan 42:25 It's a new one?

Speaker 42:26 No, no, it's in the same spot.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Oh, they just added a balcony?

Speaker 42:28 They just renovated the whole room.

Joe Rogan 42:30 Oh, wow.

Speaker 42:31 I loved having the balcony.

Joe Rogan 42:32 They musta had to add seats. It was killing it.

Speaker 42:34 Everywhere that has a balcony is my favorite.

Joe Rogan 42:36 Well, once you have a place that's a club that gets good acts in every weekend-

Speaker 42:39 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 42:39 ... Cleveland Improv, okay.

Speaker 42:40 Okay, hold on. Shut the fuck up.

Joe Rogan 42:42 Come on.

Speaker 42:42 What's that? They love to go and see Eddie Griffin at the Cleveland Improv? Come on.

Speaker 42:45 It's a 20... Uh

Speaker 42:47 Maybe it closed

Joe Rogan 42:49 This is 2020? Oh, it's six years ago

Speaker 42:51 I don't know. It's like... Well, I typed in Cleveland Improv-

Speaker 42:53 So who's that? Lou Nel's there-

Speaker 42:55 Somebody-

Speaker 42:55 And Tony Baker was there

Speaker 42:56 The funny bonus what comes up, though

Speaker 42:57 I will not be besmirched [laughs]

Speaker 43:00 [laughs]

Speaker 43:00 For making a very genuine observation about how Black the Cleveland Improv was.

Joe Rogan 43:04 That's hilarious.

Speaker 43:06 'Cause I tried to get on. I was trying to do Black rooms when I, I got to, uh, I got to open for Finesse Mitchell. That was the first Black room I got to play.

Joe Rogan 43:13 Nice.

Speaker 43:14 I've slowed down. There's not heaps of Black rooms in Austin. I should go over to Houston sometimes and-

Joe Rogan 43:18 Yeah, where are the Black rooms in Austin?

Speaker 43:20 I think the Mothership.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Ah, probably, right?

Speaker 43:23 I think someone ups at the Ship, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:24 Yeah.

Speaker 43:25 I still, I still think Chocolate Sundaes could work at the Mothership. I can't run it,

Speaker 43:31 but you could. That would be fun.

Joe Rogan 43:33 I feel like you should just have shows. I think themes are retarded. They tried to do an Italian theme at the Comedy Store for a while, like a Night of a Thousand Guidos, I think they called it.

Speaker 43:43 [chuckles]

Joe Rogan 43:43 And I did it, and I was like, "What am I doing? I'm on this show-"

Speaker 43:47 Nah

Joe Rogan 43:47 ... with all these other Italians just because they're Italian."

Speaker 43:49 There is something different about a Black audience.

Joe Rogan 43:52 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 43:52 There is.

Joe Rogan 43:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 43:53 That's a different skill set, I found.

Joe Rogan 43:55 It's a different skill set, and they, they won't tolerate nonsense.

Speaker 43:59 No.

Joe Rogan 43:59 They won't tolerate all this, like, what else?

Speaker 44:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:01 What else? No, no, no, no, no. They're not here for that-

Speaker 44:05 They'll say-

Joe Rogan 44:05 ... which I think is good

Speaker 44:06 ... you can't even make fun of gay th- you can't just br- you can't mention gay stuff at all. I did-

Joe Rogan 44:10 Really?

Speaker 44:11 Oh, man, I'd, I had a trans bit. Just people were not happy to hear. They're like, "Why he's talking about that?"

Joe Rogan 44:18 [laughs]

Speaker 44:18 "Why you, why you bringing that up? We're out here to have a nice night."

Joe Rogan 44:21 Ah.

Speaker 44:22 It was, like, on a dime, it turned.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Really?

Speaker 44:25 Yeah. And then people told me afterwards that, that they don't wanna hear about, they don't wanna hear that word from you.

Joe Rogan 44:29 Really?

Speaker 44:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:30 Interesting.

Speaker 44:31 It was, uh, it was fun. If I felt very alive when it was going well, and also Black people giving you compli- uh, just an Aussie boy coming off stage, and I'm in a Black-

Joe Rogan 44:39 [laughs]

Speaker 44:40 ... I go, "You got good stage presence." I was like, "Oh, fuck. Thank you so much."

Joe Rogan 44:43 That's awesome.

Speaker 44:44 I, um... Yeah, Black people are... That was, that was very eye-opening when I came to America.

Joe Rogan 44:49 You don't have a lot of that in Australia.

Speaker 44:51 We have Africans, and we have Aboriginal people, but we have no... If you wear a cool coat in Australia, no one will tell you about it.

Joe Rogan 44:57 Mm.

Speaker 44:57 There will be no one to say-

Joe Rogan 44:58 Yeah, there's a very big difference between African Americans-

Speaker 45:02 Yeah

Joe Rogan 45:02 ... and Black people worldwide. Like, African Americans are responsible for so much of the culture, music, comedy.

Speaker 45:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:13 There's, like, so much of an impact that African Americans have had on the world. Think about just, just hip hop music.

Speaker 45:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Right? So hip hop music doesn't even exist until I was in middle school.

Speaker 45:26 Like late '70s?

Joe Rogan 45:27 Yeah. So I was in middle school. I went to high school in '81, and, um, when was Sugarhill Gang's hip hop, hippity to the hippity hip hop? What was that song called? Rapper's Delight.

Speaker 45:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:38 So that song came out when I was... I think I was 13. I think I was 13. I think I was in middle-

Speaker 45:47 Long Beach was 1979 is when it-

Joe Rogan 45:48 Yeah, okay

Speaker 45:49 ... same year they formed.

Joe Rogan 45:50 That makes sense. So when I was in Bo- when we first moved to Boston, my family didn't have much money, and we, we lived in a place called Jamaica Plain. And it's since been kind of gentrified, but that, back then, it was not. It was the first time I'd ever been around scary kids.

Speaker 46:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Like violent, delinquent kids who had all had sex.

Speaker 46:08 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 46:08 I hadn't had sex. All these kids had b- they're like, "You don't even know where a pussy is, do you?" I'm like, "It's down there."

Speaker 46:13 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 46:14 Like, "You probably think you go right into it, right? You gotta go up." I'm like, "Okay. I don't fucking know." I'd n- I'd never even kissed a girl. I was like, "What the fuck are you guys talking about?" But they were, like, lighting fires, doing crazy shit. Like, they were delinquents.

Speaker 46:25 Jamaica Plains?

Joe Rogan 46:27 Stealing things.

Speaker 46:28 And they were listening to hip hop music?

Joe Rogan 46:28 Breaking and entering. Yeah. And so I went to this high school, or, uh, middle school, rather, and this middle school was in a poor neighborhood. And I remember there was a kid that was in my class. I was 13. He was 17 years old, and he kept failing. He kept failing and coming back. He would come back for, like, a couple weeks or two, and then he would quit. And I remember seeing him at the beginning of the school year and going, "I can't believe he's 17, and he's in class with me. This is nuts." And then I was filled with this, like, this sense of dread for him-

Speaker 46:57 Yeah

Joe Rogan 46:58 ... for his future. Like, this fucking guy's never gonna graduate middle school, so he's never gonna go to high school. He's fucking 17. Like, will they even allow you to go to high school if you're 21? Like, what, uh, what year do they say, "You can't come here anymore. You failed nine years in a row"?

Speaker 47:13 At some point they just kick you out.

Joe Rogan 47:14 So it was that kind of kids.

Speaker 47:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:15 It was that kind of kids. And then [chuckles] there was, like, kids making out in class. I remember this Puerto Rican girls, she asked a question to the, to the teacher. She said, "If I'm making out with a guy, and I'm... and he's breathing into my mouth, and I'm breathing into his, can we stay alive like that?"

Speaker 47:35 [laughs] Can you?

Joe Rogan 47:37 I never... Uh, no, no, no. It's carbon dioxide.

Speaker 47:39 No.

Joe Rogan 47:39 I never forgot that question.

Speaker 47:41 For a while. Can we stay alive like that?

Joe Rogan 47:43 You need fresh oxygen. It was the craziest question. She was like, "Can we breathe each other's air and, and not open our mouths?" And I was like, "What are you doing, you fucking dirty freak?" So a lot of girls, uh, dropped out, like, while I was there because they got pregnant.

Speaker 47:56 Sure.

Joe Rogan 47:57 It was dangerous. Like I-

Speaker 47:58 Where were you before then, though? Were you in a more middle cla-

Joe Rogan 48:00 Florida

Speaker 48:00 You were in a more middle class place before then, I think.

Joe Rogan 48:02 Yeah, I was in Florida.

Speaker 48:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:03 I was in Gainesville, Florida, which was, like, way safer. It was, it was pretty cool.

Speaker 48:08 You may have moved around more than anyone I know.

Joe Rogan 48:10 I moved around a lot.

Speaker 48:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:11 So I lived in New Jersey until I was seven, and then lived in San Francisco from seven to 11, and then lived in Florida from 11 to 13, and then Boston from 13 to 24.

Speaker 48:23 Do you... I mean, 'cause you're, you're now, your kids growing up in, they were in LA, and then they're here probably.

Joe Rogan 48:29 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 48:29 Do you think... I, I worry about my kids 'cause I've, I th- I don't think they've ever been in the same house for more than one year. Like, I have a seven-year-old daughter. She's been in seven houses now, uh, 'cause we've had to move a lot, and I wonder-

Joe Rogan 48:43 Yeah

Speaker 48:43 ... what impact that is making.

Joe Rogan 48:44 Well, as long as they're young, I honestly think it has a positive effect.

Speaker 48:49 Okay.

Joe Rogan 48:50 This is my take on what it did for meUm, I was forced to form my own opinions instead of adopting the opinions of a group of people that were around me, because I'd never had a consistent group of people that were around me.

Speaker 49:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:03 I met a bunch of new people everywhere I went, and I had new friends everywhere I went, and completely new environments everywhere I went. So I went from San Francisco in the 1970s right into Florida, and Florida was so backwards in terms of their mentality in comparison to San Francisco.

Speaker 49:23 Sure.

Joe Rogan 49:23 San Francisco, uh, we lived in Hippieville. It was all, like, anti-war people, and it's San Francisco in the 1970s. And so then I moved to Florida, and it was a lot... [chuckles] Like, I had this friend, his name was Candy. His, his last name was Candido. W- everybody called him Candy, and his dad was, like, this really angry Cuban guy. And, uh, I remember him slamming a newspaper on the table, and he was like, "These fags wanna marry. This is crazy. Like, they're gonna let faggots marry each other." And I remember thinking like, "What do you care?"

Speaker 49:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:55 'Cause I lived in San Francisco. We're surrounded by gay people.

Speaker 49:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:58 Our neighbors were gay. My aunt used to smoke pot with them, and they'd all get naked and play bongo drums 'cause, like, she felt comfortable being naked around these guys who had no interest in her.

Speaker 50:07 They should def- they should rein it in now, I would say, having now seen San Francisco.

Joe Rogan 50:10 Little bit. But that's not, it's not the gays that caused San Francisco to go down the way it is.

Speaker 50:14 No.

Joe Rogan 50:14 It's this crazy progressive politics-

Speaker 50:16 I-

Joe Rogan 50:16 ... where they allow people to camp on the streets

Speaker 50:18 I had... I just, I went to a diner and I saw a man, he was wearing assless chaps and sitting on the... That upset me.

Joe Rogan 50:23 Eh.

Speaker 50:23 Apparently-

Joe Rogan 50:24 If you're gay, it would be a good spot

Speaker 50:25 ... the public nudity is you're, you have to cover the urethra.

Joe Rogan 50:29 Oh.

Speaker 50:30 But if you cover the urethra, everything else is fine.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Oh, so you just, like, put a piece of tape-

Speaker 50:34 You put a little-

Joe Rogan 50:34 ... over the hole

Speaker 50:34 ... googly eye over the-

Joe Rogan 50:35 Of your dick

Speaker 50:35 ... jap eye.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Nice.

Speaker 50:36 Maybe you can't call it that.

Joe Rogan 50:37 You can. You just did.

Speaker 50:38 Okay. [laughs] No, but that's, so that, that would, that helped you become more... 'Cause you had, like, a weirdly independent mentality.

Joe Rogan 50:46 That's why.

Speaker 50:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:47 So that, I think going to a bunch of different places and seeing that, oh, people think completely differently over here than they think over here.

Speaker 50:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:55 This is weird. You know, I remember when I lived in Florida, I had to ask my mother what the N-word meant, 'cause I heard it at school, and she got upset with me. She goes, "You know what it means." I go, "I don't. I don't what it means." And she's like, "It's a, it's a bad word for Black people." I was like-

Speaker 51:11 Yeah

Joe Rogan 51:11 ... "Whoa, really?" Like, it made no sense to me, 'cause the formative years I think were really important, and I think seven to 11 in San Francisco was really important for me, because in a way, at least for me, it was very much a utopian city.

Speaker 51:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:30 It was, like, very open-minded. It was very peaceful. There was very little crime-

Speaker 51:36 It's just, like-

Joe Rogan 51:36 ... like real crime

Speaker 51:36 ... the most beautiful place, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:38 It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous. We'd, I'd go fishing. I had this guy, there was, like, this community center, and this guy named Cliff would take us fishing. It was really cool. Like, there was a lot of, like, good things about San Francisco back then, and there was a lot of artists, and there was a lot of, like, it was a cool vibe. You know? It was a, it was a very open-minded vibe that was, a lot of it was centered around the anti-war movement-

Speaker 52:05 Sure

Joe Rogan 52:05 ... and peace. You know? There was a lot... It was, like, it was a different kind of... And they were sort of just, like, just getting over the psychedelic wave of the 1960s, right?

Speaker 52:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:15 So this is like, they were still, uh, in that mode.

Speaker 52:18 But it was still, like, an artist-driven-

Joe Rogan 52:20 Yeah. Lot of open pot smoking. It was a lot of, like, just hippies.

Speaker 52:25 I just-

Joe Rogan 52:26 But, but in the best way. It wasn't camping on the streets. It wasn't ph- there was no fentanyl back then. There was no-

Speaker 52:32 Yeah

Joe Rogan 52:32 ... any, there's no homelessness. Like, homelessness was super, super rare.

Speaker 52:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:37 Like, in the 1970s, like, when I was a kid, I never saw people camped out in the street. You never saw any of that. You occasionally saw a bum, and it was usually some poor fuck who's-

Speaker 52:48 It's like a drunk guy, right?

Joe Rogan 52:49 Yeah, who had lost his way.

Speaker 52:50 Also, if you wa- if you just look at-

Joe Rogan 52:51 Crazy person

Speaker 52:51 ... Dirty Harry or On the Waterfront, whenever there is a, like, a depiction of, like, whenever they're doing vagrants in the '50s and '60s, it's, like, a drunk guy-

Joe Rogan 53:00 Yeah

Speaker 53:01 ... stumbling around. Like, in Rambo, he just wants a sandwich, and they chase him out of town.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Right. Exactly.

Speaker 53:04 And then, you know, it, it's trouble. But now there's, like-

Joe Rogan 53:07 They're everywhere

Speaker 53:08 ... it's like kung fu skeletons moving around the pla- like, full of drug... Like, what is the end point of that?

Joe Rogan 53:12 It is-

Speaker 53:12 No one, no one's running on that. I remember Trump talked about a little bit the need to have asylums again, 'cause they closed the asylums.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Yes.

Speaker 53:19 Uh, I mean, there are more therapists now than there ever were before, but they're helping, like, corporate people. They're not helping s- schizophrenics without a home. Like, at some point, you saw Trump bring the army in to places like Portland, or the, the National Guard, to clear it out, and I think people were quietly kind of pleased that that was happening. Uh, there was, people pushed back, but like-

Joe Rogan 53:40 Is that why they cleared it out? The, it was a homeless situation in Portland?

Speaker 53:42 I think it was the homelessness that they were-

Joe Rogan 53:43 I thought it was protests.

Speaker 53:45 No, I think that was, I think that, and Washington as well. I think they came into-

Joe Rogan 53:49 Well, Washington was crime

Speaker 53:50 ... clear out homeless people.

Joe Rogan 53:51 It was crime as well.

Speaker 53:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Like, Washington was, like, crazy with crime.

Speaker 53:54 And they were all kind of happy about it.

Joe Rogan 53:56 The, well, the mayor of DC was happy-

Speaker 53:59 Yeah

Joe Rogan 53:59 ... that Trump brought in the National Guard.

Speaker 54:01 But this is, it's not a nice... You can't lose the downtowns across America.

Joe Rogan 54:08 You know how bad LA's gotten, right?

Speaker 54:10 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:12 LA-

Speaker 54:12 Yes, I do

Joe Rogan 54:12 ... do you know how big skid, Skid Row is? Take a guess.

Speaker 54:15 I, uh, what do you mean? How many people?

Joe Rogan 54:17 How many blocks?

Speaker 54:18 I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 54:19 Take a guess.

Speaker 54:20 Two.

Joe Rogan 54:21 50.

Speaker 54:21 Well, that's too many blocks. [chuckles]

Joe Rogan 54:23 Five zero.

Speaker 54:24 That's to- that's not a row anymore.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Imagine five zero just completely claimed by homeless zombies.

Speaker 54:29 No, how big are the blocks? I'm thinking about LA downtown.

Joe Rogan 54:31 Big, big as fuck.

Speaker 54:32 I stayed away from there.

Joe Rogan 54:33 It's huge.

Speaker 54:33 I went to the Hollywood Hills and Malibu and had a nice time.

Joe Rogan 54:36 Downtown is nuts.

Speaker 54:37 [laughs] I was just out-

Joe Rogan 54:37 Downtown LA is the only downtown of any major city that sucks.

Speaker 54:41 No.

Joe Rogan 54:42 Like, downtown New York is great.

Speaker 54:43 No, there's, downtown New York is incredible.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Right.

Speaker 54:45 Um-

Joe Rogan 54:45 Downtown San Francisco is fucked with homeless people, but-

Speaker 54:48 Yeah

Joe Rogan 54:48 ... it's still, you got great restaurants.

Speaker 54:50 After a while, it is nice.

Joe Rogan 54:50 Downtown LA is a ghost town.

Speaker 54:53 I said Portland-

Joe Rogan 54:54 It's weird

Speaker 54:54 ... Portland is so beautiful in the downtown, but then you will turn down a street, and it's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 54:59 50 to 54. Oh, it's growingSkid Row in Los Angeles, officially known as Central City East, covers approximately 50 to 54 blocks. Bro-

Speaker 55:10 15,000?

Joe Rogan 55:12 Yeah. They don't know how many people are there. There's just wild guesses in terms of what the populations of homeless people are. Even in terms of the population in the entire city-

Speaker 55:20 That's crazy

Joe Rogan 55:20 ... the high number is over 100,000 in the city. It's crazy. Look how big it is. All that whole area is completely lost.

Speaker 55:29 I thought it was a row.

Joe Rogan 55:30 No.

Speaker 55:30 I thought it was like one street. I didn't know-

Joe Rogan 55:31 Well, it was. It was back in, like, the 1960s.

Speaker 55:35 I think it's... There's a, like a map or something they've drawn on a picture there. I think it's been that way for, for a long time. '60s, '70s.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Look at this proposed area, affordable housing. Affordable housing is just a joke. It's not what the problem is. They're all drug addicts. They're drug addicts and mentally ill.

Speaker 55:51 Yeah, but what do you do to-

Joe Rogan 55:52 Well, you can't let it get that bad, first of all.

Speaker 55:55 No.

Joe Rogan 55:55 And if you do let it get that bad, you gotta treat it like it's a catastrophic failure and throw as much resources as possible at it.

Speaker 56:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:01 But the problem is these people are incentivized to keep the problem going because that's how they make their living.

Speaker 56:06 Absolutely. But I-

Joe Rogan 56:08 They don't have any-

Speaker 56:09 I read, like, Singapore-

Joe Rogan 56:09 ... motivation whatsoever to fix it.

Speaker 56:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:12 Because if the homeless population drops down to, like, a very small number, and then they don't need all these people that are making half a million dollars a year on the homeless commission. It's complete grifting.

Speaker 56:23 I, I don't, I don't have a pro- It's not my country. I don't have any big problem with Gavin Newsom. You know, I don't understand how LA has a... Every story that comes out of California seems to be-

Joe Rogan 56:34 Okay, so here it says between 1960-

Speaker 56:36 ... an indictment of government

Joe Rogan 56:37 ... and 1975, 50% of the housing in Skid Row was demolished, reducing the total number of units from 15,000 to 7,500 and displacing thousands of poor residents with nowhere else to go but the street. While Skid Row was never a wealthy neighborhood, its current status as the homeless capital of America is the result of decades of policy choices which have simultaneously encouraged the destruction of existing afford-" See, this is, by the way, this is a very progressive perspective.

Speaker 57:02 Yeah, 'cause it-

Joe Rogan 57:03 The, the real perspective-

Speaker 57:04 ... most of it doesn't make sense

Joe Rogan 57:04 ... the real perspective is that what they used Skid Row for-

Speaker 57:08 Yeah

Joe Rogan 57:08 ... was when they would find vagrants in Beverly Hills and vagrants in Hol- in Hollywood, they would move them to Skid Row, and then they would-

Speaker 57:17 Right

Joe Rogan 57:17 ... kind of contain them in that area.

Speaker 57:18 It says that right here. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:20 Yeah.

Speaker 57:20 Dumping.

Joe Rogan 57:21 So encourage practice of dumping.

Speaker 57:22 So like a concentration camp for the homeless.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Yeah. Homeless medical patients, all like other... See, this is a very prog- progressive perspective. Homeless medical patients. How about vagrants who are drug addicts?

Speaker 57:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:33 You can call them medical patients. Like, you're just being kind. This is just too charitable. From the, across the region, so they would dump them there, and then they also had, like, food kitchens there and stuff like that, so they, they had a incentive to stay, but they kept them there. And so then it kept growing because the homeless problem keeps g- growing and growing and growing.

Speaker 57:51 But it is, it's psychosis and drugs. That's the ultimate-

Joe Rogan 57:55 Yes.

Speaker 57:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Drugs are the big one.

Speaker 57:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:56 It's, and drugs are... The, the drug use in Skid Row is probably 100%. It's not like regular homeless people that are there.

Speaker 58:05 I was in Portland, and I saw a... I was, I had walked into the train station through the downtown. Which I, no one told me not to do it, and I s- all these very sad homeless people, and then one guy with a big smile. He was so happy. And I just-

Joe Rogan 58:17 Probably got his fentanyl.

Speaker 58:18 Well, no, it's the first time I saw crack being smoked.

Joe Rogan 58:20 Oh.

Speaker 58:20 Yeah. It's a great smell. Smelled kind of sweet.

Joe Rogan 58:24 Does it?

Speaker 58:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:24 Like what way? Like-

Speaker 58:25 It smelled like sweet, like a rotten apple. That's how it felt at the time.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Hmm.

Speaker 58:29 I don't know if that was the crack or if... I mean, he was smoking crack, and I could smell that, but he was so happy, and I didn't wanna take his crack away. You know, it's like, "He's the only thing you've really got going for you today."

Joe Rogan 58:38 Yeah, I think crack is-

Speaker 58:39 Obviously we should take it away

Joe Rogan 58:40 ... not good for you, but probably better for you than fentanyl.

Speaker 58:46 It's all.

Joe Rogan 58:47 I think with crack you're active. Crack makes you go do a bunch of stuff. [laughs]

Speaker 58:51 This is, yeah. [laughs] This is weird seeing heroin people for the first time, 'cause they're not, like, a threat. Australia's still a very meth country. We're like-

Joe Rogan 58:59 Oh, meth is a problem.

Speaker 58:59 There's a lot of, like-

Joe Rogan 59:00 Yeah

Speaker 59:00 ... skinny shirtless men on the bus.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Angry. Yeah, grinding their-

Speaker 59:03 Weird head twitching behavior.

Joe Rogan 59:05 Yeah.

Speaker 59:05 So we're still very methy, but meth doesn't seem to be as big here now.

Joe Rogan 59:08 Oh, it's big. It's big in certain communities.

Speaker 59:11 You still see many meth people.

Joe Rogan 59:12 Yeah. Meth is still big. It's like, you know, what, what you've got in ho- I mean, the, the homeless situation in Skid Row wasn't always fentanyl and heroin. I mean, at one point in time it was meth. You know, it's, it's a gang of different things. I'm sure there's people there that are doing ketamine.

Speaker 59:25 But what do you do? Do you just start killing drug deal- do you do it like in Singapore? You just have a zero tolerance policy?

Joe Rogan 59:33 No.

Speaker 59:33 Like, I don't know long term what the answer is, 'cause I think-

Joe Rogan 59:35 I mean, look, you could do it that way, but it would be very inhumane-

Speaker 59:38 Super inhumane

Joe Rogan 59:38 ... and it would also set a precedent for how you treat a bunch of other situations.

Speaker 59:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:42 And that's not good.

Speaker 59:43 I think-

Joe Rogan 59:44 It's dangerous

Speaker 59:44 ... the communists, when they had an opium problem in China, they just put them in the military. They'd, like, give people a new sense of purpose.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 59:51 "You've got a uniform now. We're gonna blame someone else for the problem. This is, Western imperialism did this to you."

Joe Rogan 59:56 Yeah.

Speaker 59:56 And that seemed to help.

Joe Rogan 59:57 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 59:57 Like, they don't have a big opium problem in China anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Mm.

Speaker 1:00:00 Um, also, I don't know how official that is and how many people they did just kill, 'cause it's the communist government.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Yeah.

Speaker 1:00:06 They're allowed to.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 They lie.

Speaker 1:00:08 They might lie.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 They definitely lie.

Speaker 1:00:10 Although last time I was... A couple months ago I was here, and Kurt Metzger was telling me that Tiananmen Square was not all that bad.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Yeah, I don't know if I'd listen. [laughs]

Speaker 1:00:19 I didn't do enough digging. [laughs] I didn't do enough digging. From everything he says from a short Google search, I can agree with it. But I'm sure if I dug down, I'd have more questions. I haven't seen him actually since I got back. Is he still here?

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Oh yeah, he's obviously-

Speaker 1:00:31 I've seen everybody

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 ... fucking mind. He's great.

Speaker 1:00:32 Most people are still here.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 He's the best.

Speaker 1:00:35 Binod.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 He's, he, but he, you can't talk conspiracies with him 'cause it'll just-

Speaker 1:00:39 What kind of conspiracies?

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 ... he'll chain them-

Speaker 1:00:40 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 ... one after another after another, and then three minutes in you forgot what you're even talking about.

Speaker 1:00:45 That's good.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 'Cause he was, he's moved on to some scandal in the 1970s with call boys and Congress and-

Speaker 1:00:51 Oh, you spoke to him about Reagan? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Yeah. It was, what is it called? The Franklin-

Speaker 1:00:55 There's tapes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Hasan was talking to me about it.

Speaker 1:00:58 Franklin Scandal.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 The Franklin Scandal. Hasan was bringing that up last night.

Speaker 1:01:01 I tried to see, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 He's reading a book on it.

Speaker 1:01:02 I wanna think that Reagan was a good guy. I always liked-

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 I don't think it's Reagan. I think it's whoever's in his cabinet. I mean-

Speaker 1:01:07 Nah, it wasWell, he's dead. He can't... He was saying things about Reagan getting pegged.

Speaker 1:01:12 What?

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Who was saying that?

Speaker 1:01:15 Kurt was talking about that there was a tape somewhere of Reagan getting pegged.

Speaker 1:01:19 Oh, God.

Speaker 1:01:19 And I was like, "I kinda wanna know about it."

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 These guys don't even think the Artemis flight went past the moon.

Speaker 1:01:24 It didn't?

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Kurt thinks there's a secret space program, and that this space cr- program is bullshit, and there's a real space program, and they're using this space cr- program to obfuscate.

Speaker 1:01:36 It just seems very complicated for people who can't do-

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 I might, I maybe might be saying it incorrectly.

Speaker 1:01:40 No, but he knows a-

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 He knows a lot of things-

Speaker 1:01:41 He does

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 ... about a lot of things.

Speaker 1:01:42 He does. And then when I dig in, often it, it seems true.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 A lot of it is true.

Speaker 1:01:45 But also I don't... I think the government is incompetent everywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:01:49 And if they were able to get that one thing of, you know, building a fake space program to conceal a true space program-

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 No fucking chance

Speaker 1:01:57 ... it seems unlikely.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 Yeah. Well, do you know the amount, how much money you'd have to have to run two space programs, one real one and one fake one? That's crazy.

Speaker 1:02:05 There's a Nazi one.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Just a real one costs so much.

Speaker 1:02:07 Well, the Nazi one was real.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:09 Yeah. That's common. Everyone seems at least a bit-

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Some people are still not aware of it. I've had conversations with people where they, they don't wanna admit it, where they, they can't believe it. "Do you know NASA was run by Nazis?" They're like, "What?"

Speaker 1:02:22 Tell me. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 You tell them about Wernher von Braun, and they, they wanna... Like, there's a lot of people that are like NAS- NASA fanboys, and these NASA fanboys don't wanna believe that NASA was run by literal Nazis.

Speaker 1:02:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:35 I mean, not necessarily like... They were scientific Nazis.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 They were Nazis.

Speaker 1:02:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Wernher von Braun used to hang the slowest, uh, the five slowest Jews-

Speaker 1:02:44 I didn't know this

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 ... at his, uh, v- his rocket factory in Berlin. The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if he was alive today, they would-

Speaker 1:02:50 Gotta grab that

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 ... prosecute him for crimes against humanity.

Speaker 1:02:53 I mean, do you think that story got out when he was at NASA, and everyone worked a little harder?

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 They hid it well. There was no Freedom of Information Act r-

Speaker 1:02:59 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 ... releases. There was no internet. When Operation Paperclip was first initiated, they got... I don't know what the number is of Nazi scientists, but it was more than 1,000.

Speaker 1:03:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 How, how many Nazi scientists... Put this into our wonderful ad sponsor, Perplexity.

Speaker 1:03:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 Our AI sponsor that gives me all my information. How many Nazi scientists were brought over-

Speaker 1:03:23 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 ... by the United States, uh, for Operation Paperclip?

Speaker 1:03:27 That's... I don't know that there's an official number. This is what led me down my research like 10 years ago, was this exact question.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 Right, but let's, let's see what Perplexity has to say.

Speaker 1:03:35 I know. Um.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 I'm guessing. I'm gonna, I'm gonna guess about 1,500.

Speaker 1:03:39 Also, I d- as I'm looking this up, I will note that supposedly they were split up, like evenly between the Soviets-

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Right

Speaker 1:03:45 ... and the United States.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 That's true.

Speaker 1:03:47 Was it?

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yeah, the Soviets took a bunch of them as well.

Speaker 1:03:48 I didn't know that, I didn't know they divvied it up.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Yeah. I d- I've read a book about it, um, a long time ago.

Speaker 1:03:54 I d- I just started getting into the Soviet space program.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 I think-

Speaker 1:03:58 It's great.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:03:59 Like the... Is it the Venus missions? Am I getting that right? Where they-

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Oh, yeah. They got a thing on Venus and took pictures-

Speaker 1:04:04 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 ... and sent them back. Yeah.

Speaker 1:04:04 But that it was so, it was so hot that everything would, like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 1,600.

Speaker 1:04:08 1,600 is-

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 Re- typically state that about 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were brought to the United States under Operation Paperclip, so I was pretty close.

Speaker 1:04:17 Um, to reel back though, I was trying to dig through this article as you guys are talking.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 About Nixon getting pegged or-

Speaker 1:04:22 No, no

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 ... Reagan?

Speaker 1:04:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 [laughs]

Speaker 1:04:24 Political article.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 The plot to out Reagan?

Speaker 1:04:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 Group of Republicans tried to stymie what they allege was a nefarious homosexual network within the campaign of their own party's standard-bearer.

Speaker 1:04:33 [gasps] This is what I mean.

Speaker 1:04:35 Yeah, there's-

Speaker 1:04:35 He says something that sounds crazy-

Speaker 1:04:36 I'm trying to find it-

Speaker 1:04:37 ... and then you do a search, you go, "No"

Speaker 1:04:37 ... to see what the answer is, but d- during it, it says like while he was trying to pick a vice president... There's somewhere in here. I mean, I'm fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 Before you had to fuck him?

Speaker 1:04:44 It says that there's a tape.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 "You can be my vice president." [laughs]

Speaker 1:04:46 It says someone had a tape of an orgy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Oh.

Speaker 1:04:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 No.

Speaker 1:04:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 Well, didn't Reagan-

Speaker 1:04:53 I don't wanna believe it

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 ... Reagan frequented Bohemian Grove, isn't that correct?

Speaker 1:04:58 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 I believe he did.

Speaker 1:04:59 I don't know.

Speaker 1:05:00 Everybody.

Speaker 1:05:00 Yeah, a lot of people did.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Right. But Reagan did.

Speaker 1:05:03 People still do.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 But you remember what Nixon said about Bohemian Grove.

Speaker 1:05:05 The faggiest place I've seen.

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 "That goddamn faggiest thing I've ever seen."

Speaker 1:05:09 [laughs] Even Alex Jones talking about it?

Speaker 1:05:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Well, Alex Jones went.

Speaker 1:05:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Alex Jones told me about it-

Speaker 1:05:14 "I grabbed him by the ass"

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 ... right after he went.

Speaker 1:05:16 This guy said he engaged-

Speaker 1:05:17 I, by the way, I just-

Speaker 1:05:17 ... in a homosexual act with Reagan.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Okay. It was not until a boozy lunch with a man claiming to have been a longtime Reagan associate. However, that Best found what he believed to be the smoking gun proving that Reagan was controlled by homosexuals. "Bill, you don't understand the problem," the man told Best. "I once engaged in a homosexual act with Reagan."

Speaker 1:05:39 It was a different time.

Speaker 1:05:40 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 Mm.

Speaker 1:05:41 I don't, I don't... This, these are all, up until now in this article, these are rumors. Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Right

Speaker 1:05:46 ... and I don't know that this video ever came out, but there's-

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Interesting

Speaker 1:05:50 ... there's a very long article about it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 Interesting.

Speaker 1:05:52 On Politico.

Speaker 1:05:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Interesting.

Speaker 1:05:57 I was trying to find an answer, and I didn't really get to this. This is a different time period in life too that I don't, I wasn't even alive for.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Right. Wow.

Speaker 1:06:08 I don't believe it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 I do.

Speaker 1:06:10 I love Reagan.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 I do too. I love him too, but I think there's a lot of those guys that are like staunchly conservative and very buttoned down that are that way for a reason, and one of the reasons is they're trying to hide the fact that they're gay.

Speaker 1:06:23 I never understand this though-

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Mm-hmm

Speaker 1:06:24 ... 'cause we've... There are lots where I'm from.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 Gay?

Speaker 1:06:26 In South Aus- uh, like conservative-

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 Gay

Speaker 1:06:29 ... party, definitely gay guys.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 But, but actually gay.

Speaker 1:06:31 But thin, but like so th- like everybody knows. Everybody's aware.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:06:35 But they don't want it coming out, and they never acknowledge it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 [laughs]

Speaker 1:06:38 But, like, it just seems so strange. You would want to not have a secret if you're a politician, 'cause otherwise people can just get you to do what they want.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Yeah, but they have secrets-

Speaker 1:06:47 But everybody knows

Joe Rogan 1:06:47 ... and then they wanna be politicians, and then they just, it deal with all the people that know their secrets, and then they make deals.

Speaker 1:06:54 But like e- like there are-

Joe Rogan 1:06:55 That's how you stay in business.

Speaker 1:06:56 I would even say there are people in the United States Congress and Senate who are conservative, so we all go, "Yeah, that guy's gay."

Joe Rogan 1:07:03 100%.

Speaker 1:07:04 Everybody knows.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 Yeah.

Speaker 1:07:05 So is, you know.

Speaker 1:07:06 So I asked for the accuracy of this article, and Perplexity gave me a, like, summary, I guess, that makes more sense than trying to make sense of a 20-page article in two minutes

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 Mm. Okay.

Speaker 1:07:18 This comes from my book.

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 Factual grounding and sources. One key factual bound... Scroll up a little bit. On the... No. Up. Uh, on the key factual backbone, the article lines up with other publicly documented material. Uh, Kirchick refers repeatedly to memos and notes from the Washington Post editor Ben Bradley's papers, including summaries by reporters Scott Armstrong and Ted Gup. These papers are held in institutional archives and have been referenced in other discussions of Secret City. The 1967 homosexual ring allegations connected to Reagan's Sacramento staff and Jack Kemp's is independently attested in contemporary press accounts, including reporting that Reagan's security chief investigated alleged homosexual activity, and that columnist Drew Pearson raised these charges at the time. The th- so here's the thing about gays.

Speaker 1:08:09 What was a gay ring?

Joe Rogan 1:08:10 There's a- always a certain amount of gay people in a population.

Speaker 1:08:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:15 And then it's whether or not the culture accepts them.

Speaker 1:08:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:08:20 There's always a certain percentage.

Speaker 1:08:22 There's, yes, people who are attracted to-

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 Yeah, no matter what you do, there's a certain percentage. And so-

Speaker 1:08:27 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 ... if you've got enough people in Congress, and enough people in the Senate, enough, uh, enough people just in government in general-

Speaker 1:08:34 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 ... you're gonna have a, an equivalent percentage of people that are gay. And if you are a person who wants to get to the top of the charts, like here's the thing that you don't think of. What is... You think Hollywood is very open, right? Very non-homophobic. In fact, celebrates diversity and celebrates LBGTQ people, right?

Speaker 1:08:56 Yeah. I mean, openly, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:56 But, but not. So here's the thing. One thing you can't be is an openly gay person and being a, a male lead in films.

Speaker 1:09:06 Uh, I mean, that would make sense as to why people keep that quiet. I'm trying to think of one gay male lead.

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 You can't, but you're an actor.

Speaker 1:09:12 No, you're right. That has, that still hasn't changed.

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 You're an actor.

Speaker 1:09:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 You can pretend to be a werewolf-

Speaker 1:09:15 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:09:16 ... but you can't pretend to be straight.

Speaker 1:09:18 You can't pretend to be straight.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 Yeah. They won't allow you. So if you're gay-

Speaker 1:09:22 Well, you can't pretend-

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 ... you have to pretend.

Speaker 1:09:24 All right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:24 You have to pretend you're not gay.

Speaker 1:09:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 Because you can't act in a movie where we know you're gay and you pretend to be straight, we won't buy it.

Speaker 1:09:31 But whenever there is a movie where there is a gay person, they get a obviously straight... Like, uh, like in Milk.

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 Oh, right.

Speaker 1:09:36 They don't get a gay guy to play that role.

Joe Rogan 1:09:38 Right, right, right.

Speaker 1:09:38 They get a straight guy to be gay for the role.

Speaker 1:09:39 One example from 21 years ago.

Speaker 1:09:40 Yeah, but that's one. He was, he was never a TV-

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 That show just as-

Speaker 1:09:42 I know

Speaker 1:09:42 ... he was never a, a movie leading man.

Speaker 1:09:44 I... It's just, it's just one example though.

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 I know, but he's a TV guy.

Speaker 1:09:47 But then people make allegations about-

Joe Rogan 1:09:48 It's different. Also, it's like he's got a c- it's a cartoon character.

Speaker 1:09:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 Like that How I Met Your Mother, that's a cartoon character, like-

Speaker 1:09:56 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:09:57 ... like straight guy. Like you don't believe it at all. Like first of all, he's not attractive like in that way. He's not masculine, and the fact that he gets all these hot girls to have sex with him-

Speaker 1:10:07 Sure

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 ... none of it makes any sense.

Speaker 1:10:08 Did you see Gone Girl?

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 It's just writing. Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1:10:10 He, where he's playing villain.

Joe Rogan 1:10:11 Oh, that was great.

Speaker 1:10:11 He was excellent.

Joe Rogan 1:10:12 Yeah.

Speaker 1:10:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:12 He was great.

Speaker 1:10:13 I watched that movie like eight times.

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 That movie was fucking awesome.

Speaker 1:10:15 I really... That helped me work through a lot of trauma with women.

Joe Rogan 1:10:17 Woo. [laughs] Bro, that movie was crazy. But the point is like, you can't be an openly gay guy and be a movie star.

Speaker 1:10:24 Yes. I'm trying to think of a counter.

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 'Cause you wouldn't be able to kiss women on stage.

Speaker 1:10:26 I'm trying to think of one. I'm trying to think of one.

Joe Rogan 1:10:28 Uh, on screen rather. And there's not one. There's, I know a bunch of closeted ones.

Speaker 1:10:32 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 But there's no openly gay m- action movie star.

Speaker 1:10:41 Well, there were...

Joe Rogan 1:10:43 There's none.

Speaker 1:10:43 No, actually there's, there would be none.

Joe Rogan 1:10:44 There's none. There's, there's stars who have played-

Speaker 1:10:50 There's like five or six that I would say

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 ... played gay people.

Speaker 1:10:51 A lot of guys play gay people.

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 You know, like, um, what's his face? James Bond. English guy.

Speaker 1:10:56 Uh, Pierce Brosnan.

Joe Rogan 1:10:56 Daniel Craig.

Speaker 1:10:57 Daniel Craig.

Joe Rogan 1:10:57 Daniel Craig.

Speaker 1:10:58 In Knives Out, he plays a gay guy.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 Yeah. That's right.

Speaker 1:11:00 Um, yeah, I was thinking of Milk.

Joe Rogan 1:11:03 Yeah, he plays a gay guy in Knives Out, but he's not like making out with anybody. He just like lives with a guy.

Speaker 1:11:07 I never, I never watched Knives Out 'cause I was so angry at the second Star Wars movie.

Joe Rogan 1:11:12 [laughs]

Speaker 1:11:12 I loved... It's the same director. Like I was just so... And I loved Looper. I thought Looper was fantastic.

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 You gotta let a guy have a dud or two every now and then.

Speaker 1:11:19 I fucking hated that movie. I was one of those guys who was like-

Joe Rogan 1:11:22 Which one was that? What was it called?

Speaker 1:11:24 Oh, man. Um, it was not Force Awakens. It was the one that came after that. It was, um-

Joe Rogan 1:11:30 What year is this?

Speaker 1:11:31 Oh, 2017. I'm all over the place with the dates. You know what I'm talking about?

Joe Rogan 1:11:36 But don't you think though that w- I didn't watch any of the new ones.

Speaker 1:11:39 I tried.

Joe Rogan 1:11:39 But don't you think though that when you are dealing, if you're dealing with a Star Wars, those franchise movies, you're dealing with an in- There's no way they just give you carte blanche. There's no way they just let you write a script, let you produce it, let you put it together, let you direct it the way you want. They have insane amounts of input.

Speaker 1:11:57 No, this one was so stylistically strange.

Joe Rogan 1:12:00 Right.

Speaker 1:12:00 And such a departure. He was making a-

Speaker 1:12:02 Skywalker.

Speaker 1:12:03 The Rise of Skywalker is... Yeah, maybe it's that one. Yeah. Is that it?

Speaker 1:12:08 Well-

Speaker 1:12:08 Is that the, the second one?

Joe Rogan 1:12:10 Nobody... Does anybody really give a shit about these new Star Wars movies?

Speaker 1:12:14 Uh, not anymore, but it was, you know, it was exciting. When George Lucas was doing it, at least he was like, "We're gonna have a Jew alien, and, uh, Korean aliens, and it's about trade wars." And he was like-

Joe Rogan 1:12:27 They did that?

Speaker 1:12:28 Episode I? Oh man, Episode I is a nightmare if you go back and watch Episode I.

Joe Rogan 1:12:33 Which one's Episode I?

Speaker 1:12:33 Episode I is like little Anakin and the pod racing.

Speaker 1:12:36 Jar Jar Binks.

Speaker 1:12:37 Jar Jar Binks is like-

Joe Rogan 1:12:38 Oh, interesting

Speaker 1:12:38 ... a hugely troubled-

Speaker 1:12:40 Like 1999 when it came out.

Joe Rogan 1:12:41 That's right

Speaker 1:12:41 ... he's just speaking in a patois the whole time. But, uh, I mean, it all has to end. I think, I think it, it's finally winding down. Like the Marvel Cinematic Universe seems to be-

Speaker 1:12:49 Oh

Speaker 1:12:49 ... coming to a close.

Speaker 1:12:50 They're about to wrap it the fuck back up.

Joe Rogan 1:12:51 No. No, no.

Speaker 1:12:52 Uh, it's gotta come to an end.

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 Marvel's not, but Star Wars, they woke it up.

Speaker 1:12:55 Star Wars is done. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:55 They fucked it up.

Speaker 1:12:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:57 They, they made it all like this stupid woke message.

Speaker 1:12:59 But that was the woke one.

Joe Rogan 1:13:01 Yeah.

Speaker 1:13:01 That was the one where it was like-

Joe Rogan 1:13:02 I didn't watch it

Speaker 1:13:02 ... there was, there were ladies who couldn't do anything wrong, and all the men were-

Joe Rogan 1:13:05 Of course. And the ladies generals, and the men are all terrified of them.

Speaker 1:13:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:09 So save it. This is nonsense. It's, uh, it's a-

Speaker 1:13:12 It was a lovely time

Joe Rogan 1:13:12 ... these, but these woke messages just destroy the actual film.

Speaker 1:13:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:17 Like we were talking about this the other day, that a feminist show that no one thinks of as a feminist show is how, is Game of Thrones

Speaker 1:13:26 Like she turns into a-

Joe Rogan 1:13:28 No, it's a completely feminist show.

Speaker 1:13:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:29 The women, the women are all badasses.

Speaker 1:13:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:13:32 Every woman. Arya Stark-

Speaker 1:13:33 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:13:33 ... badass. Daenerys Targaryen, badass.

Speaker 1:13:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:36 Cersei Lannister, badass.

Speaker 1:13:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:39 Um, b- the Brienne of Tarth, badass.

Speaker 1:13:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:42 K- kills-

Speaker 1:13:43 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:13:43 ... I mean, almost kills The Hound.

Speaker 1:13:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:45 They're all women.

Speaker 1:13:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:46 The women run everything. They're beasts. Sansa Stark, badass.

Speaker 1:13:50 And a lot of the men, they don't see things coming. They don't know how.

Joe Rogan 1:13:52 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:13:52 All the breathiness being fed down their eyes.

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 Idiots get their heads chopped off.

Speaker 1:13:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:55 They're retarded. The, the m- the women keep the fucking civilization together, and they're the m- the most dominant forces in the show.

Speaker 1:14:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:14:03 Yeah.

Speaker 1:14:03 Sometimes they're lying, like that nasty prostitute who hurt that midget man.

Joe Rogan 1:14:07 Yeah, she... But she was unfortunate in her choices.

Speaker 1:14:10 You thought... You think the Marvel thing is gonna ke- it ha- I think this, at some point-

Joe Rogan 1:14:13 They're gonna ramp it back up. They have a new one

Speaker 1:14:15 They have a... They brought back the Russo brothers and-

Joe Rogan 1:14:17 They're bringing in Doom

Speaker 1:14:18 ... Robert Downey Jr. and-

Joe Rogan 1:14:18 Dr. Doom's coming.

Speaker 1:14:20 It's gonna all blend out.

Speaker 1:14:21 I just-

Joe Rogan 1:14:21 Isn't that... Isn't fucking Robert Downey Jr. playing Doom as well?

Speaker 1:14:25 Yeah. Do you think they're gonna keep him?

Joe Rogan 1:14:26 How does he do that?

Speaker 1:14:27 No.

Joe Rogan 1:14:27 That-

Speaker 1:14:27 Wait till you see the movie, man.

Joe Rogan 1:14:29 No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1:14:30 You gotta-

Joe Rogan 1:14:30 How is he fucking Iron Man and Doom?

Speaker 1:14:32 Well, they both have iron.

Joe Rogan 1:14:34 No. No.

Speaker 1:14:35 You don't like it?

Joe Rogan 1:14:35 Get a new guy. I know Robert Downey Jr.'s great.

Speaker 1:14:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:38 You don't have to kill Iron Man. Bring Iron Man back. Don't you have a multiverse?

Speaker 1:14:42 He might, he might not have enough money.

Joe Rogan 1:14:42 Can't you pull him back and put him into this current timeline?

Speaker 1:14:46 I don't... I'm looking forward to it.

Joe Rogan 1:14:47 But I just don't like when you have a whole, like, universe, and you have one guy playing two characters in the universe. As much as I love Robert Downey Jr.-

Speaker 1:14:56 This really gets you? This upsets you

Joe Rogan 1:14:57 ... it bothers the shit out of me, as a comic book fan.

Speaker 1:14:59 They've already had that, though. Chris Evans is in Fantastic Four and he's Captain America.

Joe Rogan 1:15:04 Oh.

Speaker 1:15:05 Who's he in Fantastic Four?

Speaker 1:15:06 The first Fantastic Four.

Joe Rogan 1:15:08 No, they've been like-

Speaker 1:15:08 Like what year was that?

Joe Rogan 1:15:09 ... four or five Fantastic Fours.

Speaker 1:15:10 2004, 3, something like that.

Speaker 1:15:11 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:15:11 There've been so many Fantastic Fours.

Speaker 1:15:13 Just all those fucking... Yeah.

Speaker 1:15:13 You're right. I never even remembered that.

Joe Rogan 1:15:14 They can never get that one working. That's like-

Speaker 1:15:16 Who does he play in Fantastic Four?

Speaker 1:15:17 That's sort of the joke in the Spider-Man movie-

Joe Rogan 1:15:19 He's the Human Torch

Speaker 1:15:19 ... the multiverse one, 'cause, like, they're, they bring them all back in the same fucking movie, and it's all confusing.

Joe Rogan 1:15:24 Yeah.

Speaker 1:15:24 And they bring all the bad guys back. Jamie Foxx is in the new Spider-Man, and, like, he was... That was an old movie.

Speaker 1:15:29 Do you think they'll be post-woke at this point? That's, I'm... I got to watch movies for the first time on the plane over.

Joe Rogan 1:15:34 They'd have to lose-

Speaker 1:15:35 I watched like five in a row

Joe Rogan 1:15:35 ... all their fucking money-

Speaker 1:15:37 It's starting to happen

Joe Rogan 1:15:38 ... and then start to come back.

Speaker 1:15:38 Did you see Begonia?

Joe Rogan 1:15:40 No.

Speaker 1:15:41 It was good. It was, Stavi was in that, and Emma. It was the guy who made The Lobster, but that was... There were problems with it, but it was like a pointedly, like a post, in the, in the same vein of like White Lotus.

Joe Rogan 1:15:51 Okay.

Speaker 1:15:51 I think, yeah, Hollywood is trying to make self-consciously post-woke movies.

Speaker 1:15:56 You'd like Begonia.

Speaker 1:15:56 I got really annoyed by it, and I thought some of it was cheap, but, like-

Speaker 1:15:59 Ah, it's fun

Speaker 1:15:59 ... I liked what they were going for.

Speaker 1:16:01 Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 1:16:01 Um, and I thought the ending was-

Speaker 1:16:03 Fun. Spoiler alert.

Speaker 1:16:04 Just-

Speaker 1:16:05 I'm saying nothing

Speaker 1:16:05 ... I won't, no, I won't spoil nothing. I won't spoil nothing. But I di- I got to... I would never have seen it if I wasn't on a flight watching 57 movies. American Fiction was, like, a post-woke movie. There are, like, at the moment on Delta flights, there are like-

Joe Rogan 1:16:15 What is American Fiction?

Speaker 1:16:16 American Fiction is a book about a... It's a Black author who doesn't wanna be considered a Black author. He just wants to be an author. He's sick of... And then he keeps seeing all these, like, terrible Black books full of stereotypes that white liberals adore. So he writes a fake book called My Pathology, and I think he later changes it to Fuck. He's just trying to, like, fuck with people, go, "I'll just write the Blackest, dumbest book-

Joe Rogan 1:16:38 Right

Speaker 1:16:39 ... so that white lib..." And then white liberals do love it.

Joe Rogan 1:16:41 Mm.

Speaker 1:16:42 Um, and it was good. It was like, but it's, like, pointedly, like, mainstream and indie. You know, big studios are trying to make... They're trying to find some continuity from being woke to now.

Joe Rogan 1:16:54 Is this-

Speaker 1:16:54 That's box office poison. We're gonna move past that.

Joe Rogan 1:16:55 This was a mainstream film?

Speaker 1:16:56 That one looked like it was independent.

Joe Rogan 1:16:58 The whole-

Speaker 1:16:58 It won an Independent Spirit Award.

Joe Rogan 1:16:59 Okay.

Speaker 1:16:59 So I don't know if it has to be, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:00 But Begonia wasn't.

Speaker 1:17:02 Uh, White Lotus was on-

Joe Rogan 1:17:03 But this other movie, what, what's it called again? The one you were just talking about.

Speaker 1:17:05 Yeah, American Fiction.

Speaker 1:17:06 Begonia.

Joe Rogan 1:17:06 No, the other one.

Speaker 1:17:07 Oh, which one?

Speaker 1:17:07 American Fiction.

Joe Rogan 1:17:08 American Fiction.

Speaker 1:17:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:09 So American Fiction's independent.

Speaker 1:17:10 If that was... It might... I didn't know if it was independent. I looked it up. It made, like-

Speaker 1:17:13 Yeah

Speaker 1:17:14 ... tens of millions of dollars.

Joe Rogan 1:17:15 Yeah, but sometimes independent films that catch on make good money.

Speaker 1:17:18 They made a deal with Amazon-

Speaker 1:17:20 Not that recently

Speaker 1:17:20 ... Amazon to make a limited theatrical release.

Speaker 1:17:22 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:17:22 That's-

Speaker 1:17:22 So they had, they w- partnered with Amazon, then.

Speaker 1:17:24 That's, I know that's slightly... I don't, I don't know if Hollywood-

Speaker 1:17:25 I would count that as a big studio.

Joe Rogan 1:17:27 No. No.

Speaker 1:17:27 Amazon?

Joe Rogan 1:17:27 If you started it by yourself. You started it by yourself and then you distribute it to Amazon.

Speaker 1:17:31 But who paid for it? Who was the-

Joe Rogan 1:17:33 Somebody probably financed it

Speaker 1:17:34 ... the director was... Was he the Onion guy?

Speaker 1:17:37 $10 million budget.

Joe Rogan 1:17:38 So the thing is, if you wanna do something right, you kinda have to do it that way now. Like, make it yourself, and then bring it as a fully completed project. That way you don't have a bunch of people like the Star Wars guy, like, in your ear telling you what to do-

Speaker 1:17:50 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:17:50 ... and how to direct it.

Speaker 1:17:51 Can I tell, I recorded a comedy special years ago for Australia.

Joe Rogan 1:17:54 Yeah?

Speaker 1:17:54 And I thought I would just do it on my own, and then I would sell it to the network.

Joe Rogan 1:17:58 How'd that go?

Speaker 1:17:59 They said, "We like it." This is one of the most embarrassing phone calls I ever had. They said that, "We like it. It's very white. It's very male."

Joe Rogan 1:18:06 [laughs]

Speaker 1:18:06 I'm like, "Yeah, it's me. It's just me." And he, they said, "Can you go out and five, like, find five or six diverse comedians and record their specials as well, and then we could buy all six of them as..." I was like, "Fuck it, I'll j- I'll put it on YouTube." I c- like I... But, but that was the real request, was would you find, find a-

Joe Rogan 1:18:24 Yeah

Speaker 1:18:25 ... find a Aboriginal fella, find a lady in a wheelchair-

Joe Rogan 1:18:28 [sighs]

Speaker 1:18:28 ... find some Chinese people, and then you can have your one as well, and we'll buy all six.

Joe Rogan 1:18:32 Hilarious.

Speaker 1:18:33 It was, uh... Yeah, that was probably the end of me thinking I could [laughs] work with... It was-

Joe Rogan 1:18:39 You can't work with people that aren't creatives, and that's what those people are. They're a bunch of people that are caught up in whatever the cultural moment is, whatever they think, like, the winds of-

Speaker 1:18:49 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:18:50 ... uh, the winds of discontent blow the hardest, right? So the people that are gonna get the most upset are the wokies. They're the ones that are gonna complain the most about a lack of diversity. So to satisfy those people, they'll torch their own art. They'll, they'll fuck up the thing that they do best.

Speaker 1:19:05 I mean, you can work with totally non-creative people. This was like, uh... There's a Frank Zappa line about how working in the music industry was great when it was just a guy in a suit who didn't care. And as soon as people had some ideas, it was hard to make things.

Joe Rogan 1:19:18 Right. When someone would tell you what to do and what not to do

Speaker 1:19:21 If, if, if it's a profit motive-

Joe Rogan 1:19:22 Right. Well-

Speaker 1:19:22 ... that's great. You can work with those people

Joe Rogan 1:19:24 ... it's, yeah, right. But there's no pure profit motive people anymore in, in, in terms of entertainment. They're all thinking about the cultural l- like tone-

Speaker 1:19:35 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:19:36 ... and what you're supposed to and not supposed to do, and what you're, uh, y- being on the right side of history now, and, you know.

Speaker 1:19:42 Did you ever, did you see the Patrice bit where he talked about how he liked working with mid-level Jews?

Joe Rogan 1:19:46 No.

Speaker 1:19:47 He's like, "I like mid-level Jews. I make them the money-"

Joe Rogan 1:19:50 [laughs]

Speaker 1:19:50 "... they leave me alone."

Joe Rogan 1:19:52 [laughs] That makes sense. Yeah, the people that get in your way, they all think they're doing it for a good cause, and w- we experienced that. Like Stan Hope and I, when we were doing The Man Show on Comedy Central, there was a lot of that.

Speaker 1:20:03 Was there?

Joe Rogan 1:20:03 Yeah, dude. I don't even, I don't even wanna go into it, but there was... Y- whenever you're... Uh, like Ari experienced it when he was at Comedy Central. I know a lot of people that have experienced it at various networks, where there's always some fucking executives that want to impose their o- and it's always liberal.

Speaker 1:20:19 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:20:19 They wanna impose their progressive values on comedy, and it's like you can't fucking do that if you want it to be funny. If you want it to be funny, you have to, it has to be in the language and in the mind, like from the viewpoint of one person, one person's unique vision.

Speaker 1:20:36 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:36 One person's unique vision that they think is hilarious. And as soon as you start monkeying with that, as soon as you start adding stuff to that, as soon as you start watering it down, you're gonna kill it. You compromise it, it becomes a candidate for mediocrity.

Speaker 1:20:49 But how did they d- what did they start on The Man Show? Did they like get the girls off the trampolines? What did they-

Joe Rogan 1:20:54 No. It was... Like one of the things was they didn't want Joey Diaz coming out naked.

Speaker 1:20:59 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:20:59 Okay. So we, uh, we had an intro-

Speaker 1:21:02 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:21:02 ... and I said, "This is what I wanna do for the intro. I want Joey Diaz to come out. He's gonna burst through the door naked with Timberlands on, with a, a baseball hat on, and just say, 'Let's get this party started,' and start dancing."

Speaker 1:21:13 Yeah, it's fun.

Joe Rogan 1:21:13 It was hilarious, and they didn't wanna do it. So this is, uh, the scene, I guess.

Speaker 1:21:21 But you did get to put your DC-

Joe Rogan 1:21:22 Yeah. Well, we, we had to do it two ways.

Speaker 1:21:24 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:21:24 We had to do it their way.

Speaker 1:21:26 Sorry. I was just in character. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:21:27 We did it their way first-

Speaker 1:21:28 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:21:29 ... and then when their way was, uh, was done, we did it with Joey.

Speaker 1:21:34 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:21:35 [laughs] Everybody went fucking nuts. They all went nuts.

Speaker 1:21:39 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:21:39 It was awesome. But it's like they, they so strongly resisted that.

Speaker 1:21:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:43 That was the only way I wanted to do it, and I said, "Listen, we'll do it your way first, and then we'll do it our way." Meanwhile, that version with Joey-

Speaker 1:21:49 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:21:49 ... was what they used in all the promos.

Speaker 1:21:50 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:21:51 They used that when they were like, "This scene's in The Man Show"-

Speaker 1:21:54 No, they still made a profit, right? Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:21:54 ... "and then Joey comes out naked"-

Speaker 1:21:55 Let's get dizzy

Joe Rogan 1:21:55 ... "with his cock blurred out." Um-

Speaker 1:21:58 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:21:58 But, but you're just gonna get a bunch of people who al- also want to have their fingerprints on what you're doing.

Speaker 1:22:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:06 So they wanna, they wanna somehow or another change it. Even if it doesn't make sense, they wanna... What if your neighbor is a Black guy who grew up with a white family?

Speaker 1:22:15 I-

Joe Rogan 1:22:15 What if your nei-... And then they, they wanna like change it.

Speaker 1:22:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:18 And then they, how, how do you do, how are you doing with the Black guy who has the white family? Like I, I didn't even add that. Come on, man.

Speaker 1:22:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:24 Come on, man, we gotta play ball. Like these dipshits wanna add their own little fucking ingredients into the soup.

Speaker 1:22:30 Well, this, I mean, it's never been cheaper to make your own thing-

Joe Rogan 1:22:32 Right

Speaker 1:22:33 ... I would like to think.

Joe Rogan 1:22:34 Never. You could do it on a cell phone. You could upload-

Speaker 1:22:36 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:22:36 ... it to YouTube.

Speaker 1:22:37 And AI is-

Joe Rogan 1:22:39 Incredible

Speaker 1:22:41 ... yeah, there's a use for it. I hope it doesn't... You... [sighs] I'm still uncomfortable about it. You're, you're aboard. You've... You're playing new music backstage. I didn't, I couldn't, I didn't pick it.

Joe Rogan 1:22:52 That was good, right?

Speaker 1:22:53 It's all good. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:22:54 Yeah

Speaker 1:22:54 ... I find it frightening.

Joe Rogan 1:22:55 Yeah.

Speaker 1:22:56 I don't like it.

Joe Rogan 1:22:56 White, it's White Rabbit. It's, uh, this Jefferson Airplane version of White Rabbit.

Speaker 1:23:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:01 But it's, uh, this bluesy new version of it.

Speaker 1:23:05 I did one of the-

Joe Rogan 1:23:05 That's all AI. It's fantastic.

Speaker 1:23:07 There's one way you can upload... You just upload w- your own, your music or someone else's music, and it, like it does all the mastering beautifully.

Joe Rogan 1:23:14 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:23:15 It's spooky. I mean, it's the end of... It is the end.

Joe Rogan 1:23:18 Well, it's-

Speaker 1:23:18 It's the end of something

Joe Rogan 1:23:18 ... it's the beginning.

Speaker 1:23:19 There are technical jobs that are just gone now, like-

Joe Rogan 1:23:22 That's true.

Speaker 1:23:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:23 But s- there's not a lot of Morse code operators either.

Speaker 1:23:28 I think they should bring it back. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:23:29 Bring back the steam engine.

Speaker 1:23:31 I think the Morse code people... I-

Joe Rogan 1:23:32 We need to... coal-powered fucking locomotives.

Speaker 1:23:35 I, I see-

Joe Rogan 1:23:35 Listen, you-

Speaker 1:23:36 The Amish, they seem happy. They got their buggies.

Joe Rogan 1:23:39 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:23:39 They got their big families.

Joe Rogan 1:23:39 Try having a conversation with them about space. They don't know jack shit.

Speaker 1:23:42 They don't have autism, so they can do it.

Joe Rogan 1:23:45 Yeah. [laughs] They haven't had their vaccines.

Speaker 1:23:46 Talk to them about butter. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:23:48 Yeah, they know how to churn.

Speaker 1:23:48 Talk to them about great butter.

Joe Rogan 1:23:50 I think you're going to l- you're gonna experience great change. There's not a damn thing you can do about it, and so you just have to be zen about it.

Speaker 1:23:58 I mean, some of the... I... It's been like over a year since the driverless cars came to Austin.

Joe Rogan 1:24:03 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:24:04 And I've been in a bunch of them, the Waymos, and they're not spreading out across the country the way that I thought they would. And, and the-

Joe Rogan 1:24:09 Oh, they're in a lot of places. They're all over Los Angeles. They're in a lot of places.

Speaker 1:24:12 They're in, they're in about three or four places, but, like they should have dis- obviously the technology is there that no one should have to drive for a living. Like it would be cheaper to have the Waymo. The, the technology's there. They're on the freeway now.

Joe Rogan 1:24:24 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:24:24 I've never had one problem in a Waym- I don't know how many I've been in.

Joe Rogan 1:24:28 They've had problems here. They've all got... 'Cause there's so many of them, they all met up in an intersection and got locked up.

Speaker 1:24:34 That is funny.

Joe Rogan 1:24:35 Hilarious.

Speaker 1:24:35 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:24:36 There was like a bunch of streets going into each other, and they all came, and then no one knew what to do.

Speaker 1:24:40 But that's not as bad as like drunkenly T-boning somebody.

Joe Rogan 1:24:43 Sure, but the thing is, don't drink and drive, not let's let robots take our lives over, right? That's not the solution. I w- I want the freedom of being able to hop in a fucking car and drive-

Speaker 1:24:54 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:24:54 ... wherever I want.

Speaker 1:24:55 They're gonna take it.

Joe Rogan 1:24:56 That's the problem. That's the problem. The problem is it's gonna-

Speaker 1:24:58 They're gonna say it's safer to have you off the road.

Joe Rogan 1:25:00 Exactly. Exactly. They're gonna say w- statistically-

Speaker 1:25:04 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:25:04 ... you're more likely to die in a car accident if driven by a normal person than a robot.

Speaker 1:25:08 Yeah. I bet they'll, you know, they'll give y- they'll offer little bonuses. They'll say when all the humans are off the road, speed limits are going up two or three times or whatever, you know, whatever they can handle. Their reflexes are better.

Joe Rogan 1:25:20 Well, you know, a lot of kids today are not driving. Do you know that? A lot of kids today are just, they're just ordering Ubers and-

Speaker 1:25:25 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:25:26 ... driving Waymos and

Speaker 1:25:29 I mean, I only got my driver's license at, like, 27.

Joe Rogan 1:25:32 Really?

Speaker 1:25:32 Yeah, I was just on buses. And then we had a child, and I was like, "I better do it." Now it's my favorite thing in the world.

Joe Rogan 1:25:36 Wow.

Speaker 1:25:37 I love driving.

Joe Rogan 1:25:38 Did you not want a driver's license, or you just couldn't be bothered?

Speaker 1:25:41 I wasn't good at it, and my parents were scared.

Joe Rogan 1:25:43 [laughs]

Speaker 1:25:44 My parents were like, "I don't wanna get in the car with you." Uh, so my brother got it.

Joe Rogan 1:25:47 Why? How are you so bad at it?

Speaker 1:25:48 I, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:25:50 [laughs]

Speaker 1:25:50 I don't know. I was very, like, I was uncoordinated until, like, I was... I had a late puberty at 16, 17, and then s- I became coordinated. But for a while there-

Joe Rogan 1:25:59 Interesting.

Speaker 1:26:00 Yeah. I don't know why. I-

Joe Rogan 1:26:02 Did anybody-

Speaker 1:26:02 ... dropped on my head as a child

Joe Rogan 1:26:02 ... teach you how to-

Speaker 1:26:04 To drive?

Joe Rogan 1:26:04 You were dropped on your head as a child?

Speaker 1:26:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:06 Interesting.

Speaker 1:26:06 But then I think with p- like, and then in my late teens or-

Joe Rogan 1:26:08 How were you dropped on your head? I wanna know.

Speaker 1:26:09 I fell out of a pran- out, out of a stroller, unbuckled myself, and I stood up and-

Joe Rogan 1:26:13 Oh

Speaker 1:26:14 ... fell down. I don't think it had any brain impact.

Joe Rogan 1:26:16 Of course it did.

Speaker 1:26:16 But people disagree. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:18 100% it did.

Speaker 1:26:18 Big scar on my head, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:19 Oh, yeah, you fucked your head up. That's why you're funny.

Speaker 1:26:22 Uh, maybe.

Joe Rogan 1:26:24 100%.

Speaker 1:26:25 I got the coordination back at some point, but I, like-

Joe Rogan 1:26:27 So you really think it affected your coordora- coordination all the way up into puberty?

Speaker 1:26:31 Yeah, 'cause it was... I was able to play sport at high school after I'd hit puberty, but on- only after puberty and only sports that didn't really matter if I had all the skills. So, like, football, everyone's been doing it since they were four, and they really know how to do it. So I-

Joe Rogan 1:26:44 Yeah

Speaker 1:26:44 ... I was just like, no. It didn't matter that I could figure it out now. Everyone had 10 years on me.

Joe Rogan 1:26:48 Right.

Speaker 1:26:49 But I became an okay field hockey goalkeeper.

Joe Rogan 1:26:52 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1:26:52 I was, like, one season in the top team as the field hockey goal- 'cause no one wanted to do it, and no one's really trained to do it.

Joe Rogan 1:26:58 Right.

Speaker 1:26:58 It's just having fast reflexes, so that was fine.

Joe Rogan 1:27:01 Right.

Speaker 1:27:01 Or, like, badm- I became okay at badminton-

Joe Rogan 1:27:03 Hmm

Speaker 1:27:03 ... 'cause it was just me and the Asians.

Joe Rogan 1:27:05 [laughs]

Speaker 1:27:06 You know? Like, tennis, there was no way to get good at tennis.

Joe Rogan 1:27:09 Right, you need a head start.

Speaker 1:27:10 Squash I could do a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:27:12 Hmm.

Speaker 1:27:12 But badminton's a great game. Met a lot of Malaysians. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:27:15 And so did you have a har- problem moving your body correctly until you hit-

Speaker 1:27:19 It would be... Yeah, like, I couldn't catch a ball.

Joe Rogan 1:27:22 Huh.

Speaker 1:27:22 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:27:23 And you think it had to do with your head injury?

Speaker 1:27:25 I, well, I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 1:27:27 Do you have brothers or sisters?

Speaker 1:27:28 I have a brother. He's fine.

Joe Rogan 1:27:29 Is he an athlete?

Speaker 1:27:31 Uh, no. I mean, he, he was. He w- he also, he was younger than me, so I was in badminton, so he was... And then he was really good at badminton.

Joe Rogan 1:27:37 Hmm.

Speaker 1:27:38 Um, yeah, he's hyper-competitive. He's, he was always good at sport.

Joe Rogan 1:27:41 Hmm.

Speaker 1:27:42 Compared to me, he was much better.

Joe Rogan 1:27:43 Interesting.

Speaker 1:27:44 But then I could... Like, when I came to America and I started throwing a foot- when I figured out I could throw a football, that was huge.

Joe Rogan 1:27:49 Is your brother funny?

Speaker 1:27:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:27:51 Really?

Speaker 1:27:51 Yeah, he actually, he got me into... I thought comedy was over. Uh, this is how I met Shane, is he took me to go and see Shane. I was sort of... This was, I don't know how many years ago, four years ago, and I was sort of... I didn't know what was... I'd had, I had a three-year-old by that point and a new baby on the way. Uh, and just in Australia, nothing was interesting to me, and my career wasn't happening. And he said, "You should come and see this guy who got fired from SNL." I didn't know him. And I, I sat in the audience, and I watched Shane perform for 300 or 400 people in our hometown, and it, I was like, "Oh, fuck, it's back. Like, it's happening." I knew there were a couple people on Netf- I knew, like, you had Netflix specials, and Bill Burr, and Louis, but it was like, well, it's p- these people are grandfathered in. No one is ever gonna be able to come through and be, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:28:38 Controversial.

Speaker 1:28:39 No one in my generation is gonna be given an opportunity. And then I saw it-

Joe Rogan 1:28:43 At all? You just thought that new comedians were not gonna make it?

Speaker 1:28:46 In Australia, I can't, I can't say enough how there, there's, like, a wh- there's, it's been 20 years since someone got to be successful.

Joe Rogan 1:28:55 Jim Jefferies.

Speaker 1:28:56 Never in Australia. He had to leave.

Joe Rogan 1:28:58 Really?

Speaker 1:28:59 E- even now, the Melbourne Comedy Festival notoriously will not work with people who have worked with Jim Jefferies.

Joe Rogan 1:29:06 What?

Speaker 1:29:07 That's a black stain on your character if you've-

Joe Rogan 1:29:09 So if you open for him, you can't work at the-

Speaker 1:29:11 They don't like you, and they're not gonna give you opportunities. That's what people say.

Joe Rogan 1:29:14 What?

Speaker 1:29:14 That's what I've heard, and I, everything-

Joe Rogan 1:29:16 Why?

Speaker 1:29:16 ... that I've seen leads me... 'Cause he's not their person. Fuck him. They think of him as an extr- in America, he's, like, a liberal, and in Australia, he's far right. Dangerous man. How could he say that?

Joe Rogan 1:29:28 That's what it is?

Speaker 1:29:29 That's what it is.

Joe Rogan 1:29:30 It's his politics?

Speaker 1:29:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:29:31 It's not that he didn't come up through their system?

Speaker 1:29:34 Uh, well, he didn't come... I mean, he just left.

Joe Rogan 1:29:37 Right.

Speaker 1:29:37 But he, I think, um, he didn't like them. They didn't like him. I mean, there are people who have left and not been part of their system that they've totally gotten around, but they s- what he is is, like, a manly man.

Joe Rogan 1:29:48 And they don't like that.

Speaker 1:29:49 Oh, no. Oh, no. [laughs] No, they want you to be a cardigan... Excuse me. I won't go on and on.

Joe Rogan 1:29:55 [laughs] Go on and on.

Speaker 1:29:56 It's, there's, like, there was a generation of lost talent in Australia, like, great p- John Crookshank, fantastic. Where's his show? Um, I could, you could name 15 people, but, like-

Joe Rogan 1:30:06 There was no opportunities for them.

Speaker 1:30:08 It was-

Joe Rogan 1:30:08 So they gatekeeped

Speaker 1:30:09 ... it was hilariously gatekept.

Joe Rogan 1:30:11 Yeah.

Speaker 1:30:12 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:30:13 Never good.

Speaker 1:30:14 No. So I, I didn't, I just thought, "Oh, they'll have a podcast."

Joe Rogan 1:30:17 So this is your perspective from Australia.

Speaker 1:30:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:30:20 You never thought there was ever gonna be an opportunity to make it as a comic.

Speaker 1:30:22 And my brother liked... I had kids. I had stopped paying attention to the outside world. My brother had not, and he took me to go and see Shane. He was like, "You should see this man." And it was fantastic. Um, and I talked my way backstage 'cause I knew the opener, 'cause I didn't get to open, [laughs] but I knew the opener. And then I got to h- meet him and Matt, and then I got to go to Melbourne and open for him. And then I came, then I came to America and I made it.

Joe Rogan 1:30:43 Were you doing any stand-up before you opened for him in Melbourne? Had you been practicing?

Speaker 1:30:46 Yeah, I d- I was doing stand-up around-

Joe Rogan 1:30:48 Constantly still

Speaker 1:30:48 ... but, but I would do, uh, I would just have 50 or 100 people in a different city, and I would show up and make enough money for the flight and, like, an extra 1,000 bucks or something. But it was, like, I couldn't pay rent that way. I couldn't do that.

Joe Rogan 1:31:00 Right, you were scratching by.

Speaker 1:31:02 It was, uh, yeah, it was, it was struggling. This is why when we did come to, when I got the Catholic job and I came to America, it was all, I'd borrowed from everybody.

Joe Rogan 1:31:10 So-

Speaker 1:31:10 Like, I was in thousands of dollars of debt to family and friends.

Joe Rogan 1:31:13 How did Arj Barker make it in Australia?

Speaker 1:31:16 He did a show called Flight of the Conchords.

Joe Rogan 1:31:18 Right.

Speaker 1:31:18 He was on that. Um, and he was beloved by the festival, and he did lots of gala spots, and we really... There's a couple-

Joe Rogan 1:31:24 So it's the festival.

Speaker 1:31:25 The festival broke everybody, yeah. It'd be-

Joe Rogan 1:31:27 So that controls comedy in Australia.

Speaker 1:31:29 Yes. There's a guy called Rodney Rude who's really funny, who was before that. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:31:34 Is he in the festival?

Speaker 1:31:35 He's not [laughs] in the festival.

Joe Rogan 1:31:36 He can't be in the festival.

Speaker 1:31:37 He would go to, like, RSLs and thing. He is great. "Get out of here, you homeless fuck." That's a great bit.

Joe Rogan 1:31:42 Okay.

Speaker 1:31:43 Kevin bloody Wilson. Um, but these are like that older generation. Yeah, after that though, it was-

Joe Rogan 1:31:50 So it's captured, it's gate kept by one ideology.

Speaker 1:31:54 By one lady running one festival.

Joe Rogan 1:31:56 Oh.

Speaker 1:31:56 No disrespect-

Joe Rogan 1:31:57 Boy

Speaker 1:31:57 ... I'm sure she's very nice. I don't wanna talk her down. I would've loved an opportunity once anyway. It doesn't matter, I don't need you anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:32:06 [laughs] Wow. That's never good. It's never good 'cause people with that kind of power, they also abuse it. They, they really enjoy it.

Speaker 1:32:15 How could you not?

Joe Rogan 1:32:16 You don't... Oh.

Speaker 1:32:17 How could... You have hundreds of desperate people who are-

Joe Rogan 1:32:20 Yeah

Speaker 1:32:20 ... "Please give me an opportunity."

Joe Rogan 1:32:21 I've got that. I don't do it.

Speaker 1:32:24 No, but you're a very strange-

Joe Rogan 1:32:25 There's no-

Speaker 1:32:25 ... person, and you're alone. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:32:27 [laughs]

Speaker 1:32:27 There's no... That's why people love you. But there's definitely, there are casting couches-

Joe Rogan 1:32:32 Yeah, but you can just-

Speaker 1:32:33 ... elsewhere

Joe Rogan 1:32:33 ... be nice. And being nice and helping people, especially talented people, it gives you great satisfaction. You feel great about it.

Speaker 1:32:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32:41 It's, it's... I always tell people it's really selfish to be generous 'cause it feels great.

Speaker 1:32:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32:45 It's wonderful to help people. Feels fucking awesome, and it's great to see people thrive and, and take off. It's fun.

Speaker 1:32:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32:52 It's exciting, and then you hang out with them in the green room and it's just all joy.

Speaker 1:32:55 I, oh, so I don't wanna say-

Joe Rogan 1:32:56 Everybody's happy

Speaker 1:32:56 ... that they don't do that. They're helping a lot of people who have a very-

Joe Rogan 1:32:59 They're gatekeeping

Speaker 1:32:59 ... specific-

Joe Rogan 1:33:00 No, no, no

Speaker 1:33:00 ... uh, ideology.

Joe Rogan 1:33:01 Listen, the, we don't have that. Like our-

Speaker 1:33:04 No

Joe Rogan 1:33:04 ... ideology is the opposite. Our idea- our ideology is, are you funny?

Speaker 1:33:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33:07 I don't give a fuck if you're liberal and funny, or like-

Speaker 1:33:11 It was very interesting

Joe Rogan 1:33:11 ... Brian Holzman, whatever-

Speaker 1:33:13 Ruby Sitnik come, uh, was on last night, and she was like... She was a big lefty, she's a dear friend, and she's gonna open for me this weekend. But, uh, she was like in New York. She was raised in Sacramento. She went to New York. She was like a very lefty progressive person. And I remember like eve- nights at the mothership where she would scream at the audience, "You're a fucking fascist. Fuck yeah." Like, she was really like baked, and they loved it. People, there's a lefty lady just like off her nut angry at everybody.

Joe Rogan 1:33:38 Just if you're funny.

Speaker 1:33:38 And people were... It was fun. You, there is no-

Joe Rogan 1:33:40 Yeah

Speaker 1:33:40 ... equivalent of that.

Joe Rogan 1:33:41 No, you just have to be funny.

Speaker 1:33:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33:43 Like, it's all just funny. Like if you're funny, a lefty funny, funny, Brian Holzman funny, Tony Hinchcliffe funny-

Speaker 1:33:50 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:33:50 ... doesn't matter. Just be funny. Just work on your stuff. Work on it. Like, really put a lot of time and energy into your craft.

Speaker 1:33:57 But this is-

Joe Rogan 1:33:57 Come up with great bits

Speaker 1:33:58 ... when I'm on these flights, I'm watching like all the official sanctioned, like non-Netflix specials.

Joe Rogan 1:34:03 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:34:03 But some of them, they're on HBO and some are on Hulu, and it's people who... There's a weird way that audiences... Like, I'm watching like official main- whatever like, it's not mainstream because the audiences are tiny by comparison.

Joe Rogan 1:34:15 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:34:15 But do you know what I mean? Like, sort of like orthodox-

Joe Rogan 1:34:18 Sanctioned

Speaker 1:34:18 ... com- sanctioned comedy-

Joe Rogan 1:34:19 Yeah

Speaker 1:34:19 ... in America, and the jokes are so mild.

Joe Rogan 1:34:22 Yeah.

Speaker 1:34:22 And so, but then the audience is like... Supposedly there's a lot of women-

Joe Rogan 1:34:27 They're all on Prozac

Speaker 1:34:27 ... in the audience. Yeah, but they-

Joe Rogan 1:34:28 They're all on antidepressants

Speaker 1:34:29 ... they sound crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:34:30 [laughs] They are crazy.

Speaker 1:34:31 And it's like cheap nothing-

Joe Rogan 1:34:33 Uh

Speaker 1:34:33 ... punchlines.

Joe Rogan 1:34:34 Exactly.

Speaker 1:34:34 And it's just at the slightest, "My boyfriend," [laughs] like I-

Joe Rogan 1:34:38 Yeah

Speaker 1:34:38 ... I couldn't even.

Joe Rogan 1:34:39 Yay. [claps]

Speaker 1:34:40 Yeah, they're clapping.

Joe Rogan 1:34:40 Well, it's also, it's clapter, right? So you're also reinforcing their ideology, so they're very excited about it because they kinda realize their ideology is very fringe and dying out. As much as it's perpetrated through Hollywood, it's rejected-

Speaker 1:34:53 No

Joe Rogan 1:34:53 ... by a lot of rational people.

Speaker 1:34:55 It's, it's, it's over.

Joe Rogan 1:34:56 Yeah, it's over.

Speaker 1:34:57 I was watching... I went to a bar last night and I watched The Tonight Show, and God bless everybody involved, but it's like, "Okay, well, this is done."

Joe Rogan 1:35:04 Yeah.

Speaker 1:35:04 This is winding down. This is not a cultural... This was the most like important cultural-

Joe Rogan 1:35:08 The Tonight Show's winding down?

Speaker 1:35:10 Just in terms of how many people are watching it and like-

Joe Rogan 1:35:12 Yeah

Speaker 1:35:12 ... you know, going, doing a set on a Tonight Show used to be, that was it, right?

Joe Rogan 1:35:17 Yeah. Johnny Carson.

Speaker 1:35:17 You could move tickets on the road on Johnny Carson, and now-

Joe Rogan 1:35:19 Mm-hmm

Speaker 1:35:19 ... people are going, "That's his 15th Tonight Show appearance." [laughs] It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:35:22 But it kinda died out even before then. Like, the impact of the Jay Leno sets, like if you did a set on Jay Leno's Tonight Show, it didn't have nearly the impact that Johnny Carson did, and that's just because by then there were so many channels.

Speaker 1:35:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35:34 So when Johnny Carson was on The Tonight Show, there was three channels in the country. Yeah, you know?

Speaker 1:35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35:40 Like, that's how crazy it was. And then slowly but surely, cable came around, Fox came around, all these other networks, and then everything just expanded. Now you have streaming, and now it's insane. Now the numbers are absolutely-

Speaker 1:35:52 Was it over at the end of Carson for that?

Joe Rogan 1:35:54 Yeah, I believe so.

Speaker 1:35:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:35:55 I believe by the time Jay Leno came around, like when did Jay Leno first start hosting The Tonight Show? Let's guess.

Speaker 1:36:01 Early '90s?

Joe Rogan 1:36:03 Yeah.

Speaker 1:36:03 Mid-'90s.

Joe Rogan 1:36:04 Probably.

Speaker 1:36:05 '94.

Joe Rogan 1:36:05 So that was right around the time cable was coming out.

Speaker 1:36:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36:08 Cable changed everything. So with cable, you got, first of all, you got Evening at the Improv, uh, MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour, um, Spotlight Cafe. Uh, there was a bunch of different shows that were on a bunch of different networks. There was all these comedy shows that were all over the place.

Speaker 1:36:23 '92.

Joe Rogan 1:36:24 '92. Which makes sense, 'cause like that's when cable started becoming really ubiquitous in America.

Speaker 1:36:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36:31 Like, and then you have so many fucking channels. So the impact of a single show was not the same anymore because during the... Let's find this out. During the height of The Tonight Show, what was the average viewers?

Speaker 1:36:45 I suppose you said this is spooky.

Joe Rogan 1:36:47 I bet it's like 40 million.

Speaker 1:36:49 Well, it's like, I think the... I mean, even by the end of Friends, like sitcom-

Joe Rogan 1:36:53 Yeah, but that's different

Speaker 1:36:54 ... mainstream sitcoms-

Joe Rogan 1:36:54 ... because that's, that's earlier. So The Tonight Show is late at night.

Speaker 1:36:57 But like just average Tonight Show episode?

Joe Rogan 1:36:59 Yeah.

Speaker 1:36:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36:59 Well, see, this is the thing. T- Tonight Show is 11:00 PM.

Speaker 1:37:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:37:02 That's after the fucking news. That's late at night, right?

Speaker 1:37:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:37:06 Isn't it 11:00? Is that when it starts, or 10:00? When does The Tonight Show start?

Speaker 1:37:09 I don't know, Matthew.

Speaker 1:37:10 It's 11:30 East, 10:30 Central.

Joe Rogan 1:37:13 Okay.

Speaker 1:37:13 There's like 2 million people-

Joe Rogan 1:37:14 So 11:30 in New York

Speaker 1:37:15 ... is it a million people? How many-

Joe Rogan 1:37:17 Now?

Speaker 1:37:17 ... country? No, then. What would, what would it be then?

Joe Rogan 1:37:20 What do you mean? The viewers?

Speaker 1:37:21 Yeah. Like how many people watch it?

Joe Rogan 1:37:23 Way more than a million.

Speaker 1:37:23 Like 10 million?

Joe Rogan 1:37:24 Oh, yeah. Easily. The, The Tonight Show viewers?

Speaker 1:37:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:37:27 I bet it was 30. Uh, what is average-

Speaker 1:37:30 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:37:30 ... Tonight Show viewers in 1980? Let's say 1980.

Speaker 1:37:35 It's like 15% of the country.

Joe Rogan 1:37:37 Bro, it was that big.

Speaker 1:37:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:37:38 It was where people went to find out what was going on, what movies were coming out, what bands were coming out, what comics were funny.

Speaker 1:37:46 Is it-

Joe Rogan 1:37:46 I remember it. So let's try 1980Average viewers of The Tonight Show in 1980

Speaker 1:37:55 Well, it's giving me a rating, not the numbers

Speaker 1:37:59 Oh, it's like as a percentage?

Speaker 1:38:01 No, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:38:01 What were the average number of viewers on The Tonight Show in 1980? Let's see. Do, do, do, do, do. How many?

Speaker 1:38:14 Six to seven million.

Speaker 1:38:15 Seven million tonight.

Joe Rogan 1:38:15 Six to seven million. Six to seven million was average. This is eight to 10.

Speaker 1:38:19 But by-

Joe Rogan 1:38:19 Um

Speaker 1:38:20 Yeah, so but, like-

Joe Rogan 1:38:21 All right. Even eight to 10-

Speaker 1:38:22 But what is it now?

Joe Rogan 1:38:23 Six to seven. Let's think of the... God, it's probably-

Speaker 1:38:25 Like 100,000?

Joe Rogan 1:38:26 A 10... Ah.

Speaker 1:38:27 No, it's maybe a million.

Joe Rogan 1:38:28 No, I don't even know if it's that.

Speaker 1:38:29 I just think-

Joe Rogan 1:38:29 And here's the thing about ratings. The ratings are very weird, 'cause it's based on this... Y- you, you have boxes that are connected to your television. Do you know how it works?

Speaker 1:38:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38:39 So these, the way these ratings work is they get a certain number of people-

Speaker 1:38:43 Then they swear, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:38:44 ... and the certain n- number of people you actually pay, they pay these people to have this box, and then some of them have to fill out a form. I don't know-

Speaker 1:38:51 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:38:51 ... how that works. But, and then it just records what you're watching.

Speaker 1:38:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38:55 And so it's just based on these people. So it's not the whole country.

Speaker 1:38:59 No, we had it. We did it.

Joe Rogan 1:39:00 But with, like, Netflix, it's a different animal. They know the exact number of people that are downloading.

Speaker 1:39:05 Tony was talking about they know when people are tuning out-

Joe Rogan 1:39:06 Oh

Speaker 1:39:06 ... they know which shot is upsetting people.

Joe Rogan 1:39:08 It's crazy. Yeah, they, they know the moment where people tune out.

Speaker 1:39:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:12 Well, they also have an insane amount of options. Like y- if you're bored even slightly, you press a button, you have new options.

Speaker 1:39:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:19 And they're instantaneous. Back then, you had two other options other than whatever... Was it NBC, Tonight Show?

Speaker 1:39:27 Y- sh-

Joe Rogan 1:39:28 Was it NBC? Yeah.

Speaker 1:39:29 We got different channels, but I-

Joe Rogan 1:39:30 Tonight Show

Speaker 1:39:31 ... I'm, I'm, I'm nostalgic for that. I only had that f- until I was, like, 10.

Joe Rogan 1:39:35 Yeah.

Speaker 1:39:36 But it was, uh... I've started watching TV again.

Joe Rogan 1:39:40 But you're s-

Speaker 1:39:40 It's just like I'm role-playing in my living room when I have a beer and I watch, like, terrestrial broadcast now. Like, I watch Survivor with my family at night.

Joe Rogan 1:39:46 And with commercials and everything?

Speaker 1:39:48 Man, I watch the lead-in. I watch the new Matlock afterwards for five minutes before I get sick of it and turn it off.

Joe Rogan 1:39:53 Yeah.

Speaker 1:39:53 I watch Who Wants To Be A Millionaire beforehand.

Joe Rogan 1:39:56 It's for people that are on heavy pharmaceutical drugs.

Speaker 1:39:59 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:40:00 It's for people that are just-

Speaker 1:40:01 It feels nice

Joe Rogan 1:40:01 ... their mouth is open-

Speaker 1:40:01 It feels like I'm a part of the world

Joe Rogan 1:40:03 ... their, their mouth is open, their senses are dulled, and they're like, "Gr."

Speaker 1:40:07 I was this... I started doing-

Joe Rogan 1:40:08 "Who committed a crime? They better solve it. There's only 10 minutes left."

Speaker 1:40:12 I would have friends come over. This is what I've [laughs] started doing at home.

Joe Rogan 1:40:15 To watch TV, TV?

Speaker 1:40:16 We sur- only Survi- Australian Survivor, which is I think the world's finest Survivor.

Joe Rogan 1:40:21 Is it still Jeff Probst, or is it a different host?

Speaker 1:40:23 No, it's a different host in Australia.

Joe Rogan 1:40:24 You got an Australian guy?

Speaker 1:40:25 We had Jonathan Lapaglia, who was Anthony Lapaglia's brother-

Joe Rogan 1:40:29 Oh

Speaker 1:40:29 ... but then he got shafted. It's very upsetting.

Joe Rogan 1:40:31 Oh.

Speaker 1:40:31 And they got a new host.

Joe Rogan 1:40:32 Jonathan... Anthony Lapaglia, the actor?

Speaker 1:40:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:34 Oh.

Speaker 1:40:35 Jonathan Lapaglia, who's very good. We still get the nerd one.

Joe Rogan 1:40:37 Then he got the shaft?

Speaker 1:40:38 No, and I don't know why.

Joe Rogan 1:40:39 No one knows?

Speaker 1:40:39 No, I don't know. But he was great. I know, it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:40:42 Maybe he was wrongthink.

Speaker 1:40:44 It... You know, I've never heard him express an opinion. He would do a lot of sexual double entendre during the show.

Joe Rogan 1:40:50 Maybe it was that.

Speaker 1:40:50 The other good one is the South African Survivor.

Joe Rogan 1:40:53 Is it?

Speaker 1:40:53 Yeah, 'cause they've got the accent, so all the challenges feel way nastier.

Joe Rogan 1:40:57 Oh.

Speaker 1:40:57 "Look at that, he's struggling now. He's really starting to sweat."

Joe Rogan 1:41:01 [laughs]

Speaker 1:41:02 "He's digging into his feet. He's in a lot of pain."

Joe Rogan 1:41:04 [gasps]

Speaker 1:41:05 I love South African Survivor.

Joe Rogan 1:41:06 They had a bunch of different versions of Fear Factor that I wasn't even aware of.

Speaker 1:41:09 Different countries got Fear Factor?

Joe Rogan 1:41:10 100, 100 different countries. I don't know how many-

Speaker 1:41:12 Do they get guys who are like you? Is there, like, a British Joe Rogan?

Joe Rogan 1:41:14 I'm saying 100. I'm just joking. Um, I mean, they had a ver- a some- someone-

Speaker 1:41:17 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:41:18 ... that was like that, you know?

Speaker 1:41:19 That would be funny to see who they... Like, 'cause they would be trying to replicate you.

Joe Rogan 1:41:24 Mm, not necessarily. Like, Ludacris didn't try to replicate me when he did it.

Speaker 1:41:29 They got Ludacris to do it?

Joe Rogan 1:41:30 Yeah, America.

Speaker 1:41:31 [laughs] I didn't know Ludacris did Fear Factor.

Joe Rogan 1:41:32 It was a very short amount of time, and now Johnny Knoxville's doing it, and he's doing it his own way, too.

Speaker 1:41:37 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:41:38 It's a pretty straightforward show, though. You don't have to do it my way. But what I was good at is, 'cause I came from a background in martial arts coaching, like, I had students, and I would bring them to tournaments-

Speaker 1:41:49 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:41:49 ... and I'd coach them at tournaments, so I was really good at getting people fired up. You know? And I'd coach teammates. Like, I would be in the corner of teammates, and I'd-

Speaker 1:41:56 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:41:56 ... I'd coach them. And I'd train people. Like, pa- har- one of the reasons why I got really good at TaeKwonDo so quickly is 'cause I taught. And when you teach something, there's something interesting, and I've noticed that about jujitsu as well. When you teach something, you get better at it. Like, exponentially better than people that are just training.

Speaker 1:42:11 Because, I mean, with comedy, there's a huge faux pas against teaching.

Joe Rogan 1:42:15 You can't teach it.

Speaker 1:42:16 No.

Joe Rogan 1:42:17 You can't teach comedy. It's different. Like, you do it so different than I do it. I do it so different than Shane.

Speaker 1:42:21 I, I s-

Joe Rogan 1:42:21 Shane does it so different than Tony

Speaker 1:42:22 ... I maintain there are things you could teach people. Like, when people come on Kill Tony and they haven't been doing it for very long, there are key things that you can tell people.

Joe Rogan 1:42:29 Yeah.

Speaker 1:42:30 Like, "You must stop doing that."

Joe Rogan 1:42:31 Yeah.

Speaker 1:42:31 "You've gotta hold the microphone like this. We've gotta be able to hear you."

Joe Rogan 1:42:33 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1:42:34 And I think people waste a lot of time not knowing those. I mean, they could look it up.

Joe Rogan 1:42:38 But didn't you figure those things out?

Speaker 1:42:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:40 Yeah. So it's people that aren't that aware in the first place, and the, that's a problem to begin with.

Speaker 1:42:45 At least they're not people who think they know everything.

Joe Rogan 1:42:46 So what it is is a lack of self-examination.

Speaker 1:42:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:48 A lot of what these problems are you could solve yourself if you just recorded yourself or filmed yourself. Filmed is the best.

Speaker 1:42:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:42:56 Recorded is pretty good. Film is 100%. So filming, you get to see all the things you hate about yourself, all the things that are gross, all the weird, stupid parts of your bits that you need to chop out, and they make you uncomfortable, and it's good.

Speaker 1:43:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:08 And you just, "Oh, fuck that bit. Fuck this. Cut this. Cut that. Oh, here's another... Oh, I didn't even think of this." And then boom. I mean, that's-

Speaker 1:43:14 I'm doing it at the moment. I'm finding it heartbreaking.

Joe Rogan 1:43:17 'Cause you're just getting back into, like, real world again.

Speaker 1:43:19 Oh, I did-

Joe Rogan 1:43:20 You were trapped on Prison Island

Speaker 1:43:22 ... I was doing, I was doing hours in Australia, and I knew that, like, some of it would translate in America and some of it wouldn't. And man, it is just-

Joe Rogan 1:43:29 A lot of it?

Speaker 1:43:29 ... I'm losing 80%.

Joe Rogan 1:43:31 Really?

Speaker 1:43:31 I'm los- Which is great. I tried to overwrite so I would have more than I needed. But it is-

Joe Rogan 1:43:34 So did you have a lot of Australian-based jokes, like local jokes?

Speaker 1:43:37 Eventually I had to. Like, I started out trying to do no, nothing local.

Joe Rogan 1:43:42 And what happened?

Speaker 1:43:42 But then you're... Like, you're just there, and the prime minister does something appalling, and you start talking about-

Joe Rogan 1:43:46 Oh, yeah. You're gonna have to have some stuff.

Speaker 1:43:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:49 That's interesting. Yeah, anything about your politics will not translate over here.

Speaker 1:43:53 Not at-

Joe Rogan 1:43:54 Not at all

Speaker 1:43:54 ... not a jot.

Joe Rogan 1:43:54 We don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1:43:56 No.

Joe Rogan 1:43:56 You don't have nuclear weapons. Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1:43:58 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:43:58 You're not even a real country.

Speaker 1:43:59 Trying to get s-

Joe Rogan 1:44:00 [laughs]

Speaker 1:44:00 They're trying to sort us out.

Joe Rogan 1:44:02 Did you see what happened, uh, yesterday, that the FBI is, uh, it has indicted the Southern Poverty Law Center?

Speaker 1:44:09 On what?

Joe Rogan 1:44:09 Paying Nazis to protest. So this was something that Alex Jones had said. Do you remember that Charlottesville tiki torch thing-

Speaker 1:44:16 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:44:17 ... years ago? Alex Jones said back then that they were being paid, that these are paid actors to go and do that, and people thought he was insane.

Speaker 1:44:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:25 Turns out it's true. Turns out they were paying the Ku Klux Klan, they were paying a bunch of these, like, far-right radical organizations, giving them money to protest so they would have something to fight against.

Speaker 1:44:38 We're going to the Capitol. Over here.

Joe Rogan 1:44:41 Look at this. DOJ charges-

Speaker 1:44:43 Yeah, that's

Joe Rogan 1:44:43 ... Southern Poverty Law Center with fraud over secret funding of extremist groups.

Speaker 1:44:48 I was mad.

Joe Rogan 1:44:48 How fucking crazy that is?

Speaker 1:44:49 I just saw that The Onion is buying Infowars and turning it into, like, an anti-gun ad, and, like, it's a $1.5 billion thing he had to pay for getting one thing wrong one time.

Joe Rogan 1:44:58 Yeah.

Speaker 1:44:59 How many things did he have to be right about?

Joe Rogan 1:45:01 He's right about a lot, I'll tell you that. And The Onion thing, I don't even know if other people were allowed to bid. I don't know how that worked out, but I think there was other people that were trying to bid that couldn't.

Speaker 1:45:10 It's hinky.

Joe Rogan 1:45:11 That were, like, supporters of Alex Jones.

Speaker 1:45:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45:15 Uh, so let's go back up.

Speaker 1:45:17 No, we're doing it.

Joe Rogan 1:45:17 Wait, wait, wait. Uh, stop. Hold on. Between 2014 and 2023, Southern Poverty Law Center paid at least $3 million to eight individuals, some of whom were associated with the Ku Klux Klan, United Klans of America, National Soci- Socialist Party of America, Aryan Nations-affiliated Sadistic Souls Motorcycle Club.

Speaker 1:45:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45:39 That's a mouthful.

Speaker 1:45:40 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:45:41 And the American Front, said acting US Attorney General Todd Blanche at the press conference. Holy fucking shit.

Speaker 1:45:47 He's manufacturing the... Well, this is what you said before about people who need homelessness to keep going.

Joe Rogan 1:45:51 Well, this is what's cra-

Speaker 1:45:52 They need the hate to keep going.

Joe Rogan 1:45:52 Exactly.

Speaker 1:45:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45:53 But this is what's crazy. These people were cited as an expert in extremist groups.

Speaker 1:45:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45:59 And they were paying extremist groups-

Speaker 1:46:02 They s-

Joe Rogan 1:46:02 ... in order to be extreme [laughs] .

Speaker 1:46:04 They said they were paying for, like, uh, information, I think.

Joe Rogan 1:46:07 Right.

Speaker 1:46:08 They were- they, like, uh, had them planted there or something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:46:10 Yeah.

Speaker 1:46:10 But what are they? The CIA?

Joe Rogan 1:46:11 Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. No, you weren't.

Speaker 1:46:15 Have you ever been to the-

Joe Rogan 1:46:15 Listen, they... It's just like what Is- Israel gets accused of doing with Hamas, that, that Netanyahu has said by s- giving money and giving to Hama- Hamas, you keep Hamas in power-

Speaker 1:46:25 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:46:25 ... and you can control the height of the flame. So instead of letting Palestine get its own state-

Speaker 1:46:31 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:46:31 ... statehood, you keep Hamas in charge. You always have an enemy, and you-

Speaker 1:46:36 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:46:36 ... always have no reason to give Palestine statehood.

Speaker 1:46:39 Well, people... I, I don't know how deep people went into ha- what happened on the security on October 7.

Joe Rogan 1:46:44 Oh, it's nuts.

Speaker 1:46:44 Like how that was allowed to happen.

Joe Rogan 1:46:45 It's nuts.

Speaker 1:46:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:46:46 A total stand down.

Speaker 1:46:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:46:47 Like, people were told to stand down. Like, how... First of all, it's the most surveilled country on earth.

Speaker 1:46:53 Arm guards everywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:46:54 The arm guards everywhere-

Speaker 1:46:54 Huge amount

Joe Rogan 1:46:54 ... surrounded by their enemy, and somehow or another, these guys pulled this off when they were warned by Egypt as well.

Speaker 1:47:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:47:02 Also-

Speaker 1:47:02 You're like, "Paragliders in?"

Joe Rogan 1:47:04 ... here's another thing. Before that happened, before that happened, before October 7th, hundreds of thousands of people in the street protesting against Netanyahu.

Speaker 1:47:12 Did you read about why?

Joe Rogan 1:47:14 Yes.

Speaker 1:47:14 It's so strange because they, their constitution, they don't have a set constitution. They're writing their constitution in real time. They add one article at a time. I think I'm getting this right.

Joe Rogan 1:47:23 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:47:24 And it was Israel was always meant to be a home for the Jews, and that he made it expressly a Jewish state, that it would be, like, a-

Joe Rogan 1:47:35 I thought they were expanding the powers of the government.

Speaker 1:47:37 Am I getting this right? It was, it was that the government... Yes, that was part of the government's powers is that the government then had the power to act on behalf of Jewish interests, interests. So it's like they could take, they could exclude certain areas from voting if it would mean, and citizenship-

Joe Rogan 1:47:55 P- please, uh-

Speaker 1:47:56 ... if it would mean that it would challenge their power

Joe Rogan 1:47:57 ... put a, put in a search for what was the reason why people were protesting Netanyahu before October 7th.

Speaker 1:48:03 I think I'm getting this right.

Joe Rogan 1:48:04 I think you are. There's-

Speaker 1:48:05 That he was stopping it being a secular constitution.

Joe Rogan 1:48:08 I think that was one of the things, but there was also something in that they were expanding the government's powers, and people were protesting against it.

Speaker 1:48:16 Also, the corruption that, charges that he's facing are-

Joe Rogan 1:48:19 Yes

Speaker 1:48:19 ... crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:48:20 Well, and also they want to try him, and he's saying, "You can't try me because we're at war." And so-

Speaker 1:48:25 If the war never ends

Joe Rogan 1:48:26 ... then he keeps-

Speaker 1:48:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:27 Yeah, he keeps bombing Lebanon and... People were primary protesting Netanyahu because his government was pushing a sweeping judicial overhaul that many Israelis saw-

Speaker 1:48:35 Right

Joe Rogan 1:48:35 ... as an attack on democracy and a way to shield him and his allies from accountability. Judicial overhaul plan. Netanyahu's coalition introduced reforms to greatly limit the powers of Israel's Supreme Court and increase political control over judicial appointments. Critics argued this would remove key checks and balances and allow the government to pass almost anything without effective legal oversight. I mean, this guy has been in charge of Israel forever.

Speaker 1:49:03 I will say this thing of-

Joe Rogan 1:49:04 Forever

Speaker 1:49:05 ... having your leaders be up on corruption charges is happening. I mean, they tried it with, like, in Brazil, it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:49:12 With Bolsonaro.

Speaker 1:49:13 But also in-

Joe Rogan 1:49:14 And with Lula

Speaker 1:49:14 ... Lula before then.

Joe Rogan 1:49:15 Uh-huh.

Speaker 1:49:15 Uh, I mean, Trump, if he hadn't won, they would've got him in jail on something.

Joe Rogan 1:49:20 Most likely.

Speaker 1:49:21 But it's-

Joe Rogan 1:49:21 I mean, they were trying to get him in jail on anything.

Speaker 1:49:23 Yeah. You've got to not chase politicians through the courts as best you can. I mean, if people really have done the wrong thing, maybe you have to hold them to account.

Joe Rogan 1:49:30 Well, it, I, it depends-

Speaker 1:49:31 There's a special standard

Joe Rogan 1:49:31 ... on what... I don't think Netanyahu's, uh, I don't know what his allegations are, but apparently they're very serious to the point where they're trying to try him while the war is going on. They want to try him now.

Speaker 1:49:43 Yeah. I mean, how-

Joe Rogan 1:49:45 And Israel, like, really locks up their politicians. They actually, they actually-

Speaker 1:49:50 They do

Joe Rogan 1:49:50 ... follow through on these things.

Speaker 1:49:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:49:53 Yeah.

Speaker 1:49:53 But-

Joe Rogan 1:49:53 But I don't know enough about their politics to know whether or not-

Speaker 1:49:55 No

Joe Rogan 1:49:55 ... he's guilty of anything.

Speaker 1:49:57 But it's the look. The look is not great. I mean, like in-

Joe Rogan 1:49:59 No, but the fucking look of, like-

Speaker 1:50:00 In Ukraine

Joe Rogan 1:50:00 ... they call a ceasefire and he bombs Lebanon. That's not great either.

Speaker 1:50:03 The next day, Ukraine is meant to have an election at some point, I think.

Joe Rogan 1:50:07 Yeah.

Speaker 1:50:07 It just

Joe Rogan 1:50:08 No, no, no

Speaker 1:50:08 It's been a while

Joe Rogan 1:50:09 We have a war

Speaker 1:50:10 Well, it's been a while

Joe Rogan 1:50:10 Can't, can't have an election while a war's going on.

Speaker 1:50:12 If-

Joe Rogan 1:50:12 James McCann

Speaker 1:50:12 ... America did. You did it in the Civil War.

Joe Rogan 1:50:15 Yeah. Well, if we did that today, if we, if Trump said, uh-

Speaker 1:50:19 It would be hell no way

Joe Rogan 1:50:19 ... "Hey, I have to stay president because we're at war"-

Speaker 1:50:21 No. It'd be-

Joe Rogan 1:50:22 ... people would go fucking crazy.

Speaker 1:50:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50:24 They would light New York City on fire. There's no chance.

Speaker 1:50:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50:27 No. That's, that's nuts.

Speaker 1:50:29 Also, you get what you're willing to tolerate as a country.

Joe Rogan 1:50:31 I guess

Speaker 1:50:31 If people say they're taking elections away.

Joe Rogan 1:50:33 [sighs] I guess, but I think that what's going on in Israel is particularly spooky because you've got these people that supposedly came to this place to get away from the persecution that they were facing all throughout Europe, right?

Speaker 1:50:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50:47 And so what's the first thing they do? The im- [laughs]

Speaker 1:50:50 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:50:50 Im- immediately take out the people that are living there. You have the Nakba where people are talking about it and talking about the experience of these, going into these Palestinian neighborhoods-

Speaker 1:51:01 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:51:01 ... and taking over their land. It's-

Speaker 1:51:02 But that is how you build a country. You have to put... I mean, America-

Joe Rogan 1:51:05 Or-

Speaker 1:51:05 You guys took people out

Joe Rogan 1:51:05 ... you take a spot where there's no one there.

Speaker 1:51:07 No one is, no one is going to that one sliver of land between Egypt and Sudan.

Joe Rogan 1:51:13 Well, it's also that-

Speaker 1:51:13 No one's going

Joe Rogan 1:51:14 ... has a biblical, there's a biblical significance to that area.

Speaker 1:51:19 Sure, everybody wants it.

Joe Rogan 1:51:20 Yeah. It's, like that is a... I mean, it's Jerusalem.

Speaker 1:51:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:25 I mean, the, the significance of that and the, the fact... It's really ironic that the people that don't even believe Jesus is the Messiah are the ones that are controlling Jerusalem, which is kind of hilarious.

Speaker 1:51:35 I don't know. The church, Catholics, we n- I don't think we ever gave up our right to it. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:51:40 To Jerusalem?

Speaker 1:51:41 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:51:42 Really?

Speaker 1:51:42 I'm pretty sure. I mean, the Catholics, we didn't-- the Vatican City didn't have, like, an embassy in Israel until, like, the '60s, the '70s.

Joe Rogan 1:51:50 It was the old school Vatican, like, back in the Roman days? I bet they would declare war on Israel and take back Jerusalem.

Speaker 1:51:55 I want the guy with the silver mask doing that.

Joe Rogan 1:51:58 Oh.

Speaker 1:51:58 I think... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:52:00 That's what you want?

Speaker 1:52:00 I just did, uh... Do you know Winston, the guy from... Do you know Winston? You saw him last night.

Joe Rogan 1:52:05 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:52:06 We met Winston last night. I did his podcast and, uh, yeah, he's all about the Crusades. He's trying to get me geared up about... I don't know enough about them, but he was like-

Joe Rogan 1:52:13 Oh, like-

Speaker 1:52:13 ... they were good, weren't they?

Joe Rogan 1:52:13 ... researching the Crusades?

Speaker 1:52:14 Yeah, but he kept trying to nudge me to be like, "Did you like the Crusades?" It's like, I don't know. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:52:19 Why, is he a fan?

Speaker 1:52:20 I got the impression that he was waiting to say that they were great.

Joe Rogan 1:52:24 That it was a good thing-

Speaker 1:52:25 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:52:25 ... for the world? What? [laughs]

Speaker 1:52:27 I don't know yet. I don't know. I haven't read enough about it. My gut impulse is that they might've been great.

Joe Rogan 1:52:33 Really?

Speaker 1:52:34 Well, not always. No war is, you know... But it lo- something about... I don't know. Every time I see that meme where there's that ba ba ba ba, like that music playing, and the guy with the silver mask from Kingdom of Heaven-

Joe Rogan 1:52:47 Uh-huh

Speaker 1:52:47 ... and he's doing that, I think, yeah, all right.

Joe Rogan 1:52:49 You like that, huh?

Speaker 1:52:49 Yeah, let's get in there.

Joe Rogan 1:52:50 Interesting.

Speaker 1:52:51 But, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:52:53 Well, the crazy thing to me about the Israel-Palestine thing is this idea that they're gonna turn Gaza into some sort of a resort.

Speaker 1:53:00 You've seen the T- I won't spoil it, the Tim Dillon bit?

Joe Rogan 1:53:02 Tim Dillon bit.

Speaker 1:53:02 It's magical.

Joe Rogan 1:53:02 Amazing.

Speaker 1:53:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:03 Amazing bit. H- have you heard his rant on the Epstein files? Like, I posted it-

Speaker 1:53:08 No

Joe Rogan 1:53:08 ... on Twitter. He did a, uh, like a podcast all about the Epstein files.

Speaker 1:53:12 Yes, I did. Yeah, no, I, I read... I saw that once.

Joe Rogan 1:53:14 Fuck, I was clapping in my car.

Speaker 1:53:15 He's, he's doing, uh, he's on fine form.

Joe Rogan 1:53:18 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:53:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:18 Well, this is, this, the kind of chaos that is going on in the world today-

Speaker 1:53:22 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:53:22 ... is perfect for a guy like him.

Speaker 1:53:24 Well, he can also keep up with it.

Joe Rogan 1:53:25 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:53:25 I can do it for a few days at a time.

Joe Rogan 1:53:28 Oh, he's very well up on it. I called him last night on the way home from the club.

Speaker 1:53:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:32 We talked for, like, 20 minutes, and he's just all, like, keyed up on everything that's happening, bro.

Speaker 1:53:37 It's gonna be okay? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:53:39 No one fucking knows. I mean, what's going on with Iran's, the ceasefire? Supposedly they extended it and, but then they're shooting at ships.

Speaker 1:53:46 Why is there a war?

Joe Rogan 1:53:47 [sighs]

Speaker 1:53:48 This is, I got into this argument about, like, what is-

Joe Rogan 1:53:52 Very complicated

Speaker 1:53:52 ... is, like, whether... 'Cause the Pope has said it's not a just war.

Joe Rogan 1:53:54 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:53:54 Uh, but I don't know the reason. I thought that the reason they had given was regime change, that they wanted to get different people in charge.

Joe Rogan 1:54:02 Well, people have wanted people out of Iran, the people that are running Iran, for 47 years.

Speaker 1:54:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:54:08 But no one has actually gone and done it the way this administration did it, and it doesn't make sense they choose to do it when they did it. Like, what made sense was maybe kind of makes sense when they dropped that bunker buster bomb to disable their nuclear plant-

Speaker 1:54:23 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:54:23 ... or nuclear weapons manufacturing facility.

Speaker 1:54:26 But then that just sort of wound down.

Joe Rogan 1:54:28 Yeah.

Speaker 1:54:28 That sort of-

Joe Rogan 1:54:28 That kind of, that, that was like, phew, that's it. But then when we went back into Iran, I'm like, what happened?

Speaker 1:54:35 I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:54:35 Like, what, what caused that?

Speaker 1:54:36 Trump gave that... So he said the protests happened, and then he gives this speech going, uh, you know, you, the people have to rise up and replace-

Joe Rogan 1:54:44 Yeah

Speaker 1:54:45 ... the rule, but it doesn't seem to be happening.

Joe Rogan 1:54:47 Well, a lot of people got killed. A lot of people-

Speaker 1:54:49 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:54:49 ... trying to rise up got killed. They actually just put a halt on executing some women today.

Speaker 1:54:56 Good.

Joe Rogan 1:54:56 And they're gonna let some of them... Iran has decided... Trump made a Truth Social post about it. I'll send it to you, Jimmy.

Speaker 1:55:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:03 But, uh, I think the idea is that, um, they're trying to negotiate about something, you know? And I don't know how this is ever gonna work out. You know, I j- I really don't know.

Speaker 1:55:16 But, like, in Venezuela, they took out-

Joe Rogan 1:55:18 But that was a totally different experience

Speaker 1:55:20 ... they took, I was just in and out quickly, but then everyone who was arou- all the cronies who were around him, they're now, like, on board with America?

Joe Rogan 1:55:26 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:55:27 That was just a full 180? That doesn't seem to be happening with the new-

Joe Rogan 1:55:31 No

Speaker 1:55:31 ... possibly dead ayatoll- do we know if he's dead?

Joe Rogan 1:55:34 No, we don't know if he's dead. I mean, I, I heard there's a, the new ayatollah might be dead. I've heard he's not. I heard the military has now taken over. I don't know. It's hard to know.

Speaker 1:55:48 I think I can figure it out.

Joe Rogan 1:55:49 But, uh, these ladies were set to be executed, and, uh, apparently, uh, they're gonna release half of them, and the other half of them are gonna do one month in prison. And so this is a big-

Speaker 1:55:59 That's a pretty different sentence

Joe Rogan 1:56:01 ... this is... So to the Iranian leaders who will soon be in negotiations with my representatives, I would greatly appreciate the release of these women. I'm sure they do and will respect it. Now, now there's been a- another one. Did I send you that?Okay, but I think what I sent you is different, 'cause I think what I sent you is actually saying very good news. So click on the link that I sent you.

Speaker 1:56:21 There was a weird thing with their soccer team. They were playing in Australia.

Joe Rogan 1:56:25 Yes.

Speaker 1:56:25 And then-

Joe Rogan 1:56:26 But-

Speaker 1:56:26 ... we let them stay.

Joe Rogan 1:56:27 Yes.

Speaker 1:56:27 And then I think their families were getting threatened, and some of them went home.

Joe Rogan 1:56:30 Ugh.

Speaker 1:56:30 It was not a-

Joe Rogan 1:56:31 So here, very good news. I've just been informed the eight women pros- um, protesters who were going to be executed tonight in Iran will no longer be killed. Four will be released immediately, and four will be sentenced to one month in prison. I very much appreciate that Iran and its leaders respected my request as President of the United States and terminated the planned execution. So that's a good concession that they decided to let these ladies free.

Speaker 1:56:55 That's so-

Joe Rogan 1:56:55 And by the way-

Speaker 1:56:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:56:56 There they are.

Speaker 1:56:56 Some of those ladies are very nice looking.

Joe Rogan 1:56:59 Oh. G- go, go back to that picture.

Speaker 1:57:00 That's such a-

Joe Rogan 1:57:00 Go back to that picture

Speaker 1:57:00 ... that's such a nicer message than, "This great civilization will die tonight."

Joe Rogan 1:57:04 Yeah.

Speaker 1:57:05 That was-