Brian Simpson on Joe Rogan: How a Stent Rewrites Your Habits

After a stent during Super Bowl weekend, humor cracked first; the surgeon ran a no-jokes cath lab while nurses traded precision for comfort.

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0:00 – 0:02
Intro
1. JRJoe Rogan
  [upbeat music]
0:02 – 1:45
Glasses talk: astigmatism, aging eyes, and Rogan’s red-light therapy claim
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
2. BSBrian Simpson
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Do you, you gotta get new glasses?
4. BSBrian Simpson
  No, I just have different pair for different stuff.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Did they get stronger?
6. BSBrian Simpson
  No.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  No?
8. BSBrian Simpson
  I just have, uh-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you always have glasses? Like, do you have a eyeball issue or is it-
10. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, I got astigmatism.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay.
12. BSBrian Simpson
  But I, uh, but I got one th- one for driving and one for my computer.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  I used to have to use, um, reading glasses.
14. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, yeah?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Then I started using red light, red light therapy, and, uh, I think that, uh, fir- the first thing I started doing is taking, uh... This company Pure Encapsulations has this, um, it's called, uh, Macular Support.
16. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like a combination of nutrients that help your eyeballs.
18. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't know how. But it, I explained it to Huberman and he read it off to me, and he's like, "This makes sense." Um, but then, um, the big one was red light. I started using red light therapy. I don't need glasses anymore.
20. BSBrian Simpson
  What?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, my gla- my eyes aren't perfect. Like, uh, in low light they're not so good. Like, uh, in a dark restaurant I have to use, like, the flashlight on my thing to read a menu.
22. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  But I don't need glasses anymore.
24. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, d- so I was, I've been wondering that. Is it that I'm getting older or are they just using darker light in the restaurants? 'Cause-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  They definitely use dark light in restaurants. I don't, I mean, young people can still read it. Like, I've gone to restaurants with my kids and they can read in the dark. I'm like, "You can read that?"
26. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  I can't read it. But, um, but, like, small print, like on my phone, like reading an email, I didn't used to be able to read it, and now I can read it perfectly.
28. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, see, now... I'm, I'm hitting that age now where I gotta start switching.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Switching glasses.
30. BSBrian Simpson
  For different... Yeah.
1:45 – 5:54
Brian Simpson’s heart attack: stent procedure, coping with humor, and being scolded by surgeons
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Listen, dude, I'm just happy you're alive.
2. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know. I, you know, man, I've alwa-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  For people who don't know what we're talking about, you had a heart attack.
4. BSBrian Simpson
  Yes, I had a heart attack three months ago.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. BSBrian Simpson
  Super Bowl weekend.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
8. BSBrian Simpson
  In Atlanta.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  [exhales sharply]
10. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. Outta nowhere. Well, was it really out of nowhere? Not really.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
12. BSBrian Simpson
  [laughs] You know, like, 'cause that's a, that's a whole nother-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  It's not like you were a marathon runner.
14. BSBrian Simpson
  Right, right.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. [laughs]
16. BSBrian Simpson
  Exactly. But I, but I was sitting there, you know, honestly, I was sitting there thinking, 'cause I remember the doctor, 'cause we, you know, we, we really are, like, we set ourselves up, we, we kind of deal with trauma in a not... I mean, you can argue about whether, how it's, whether it's healthy or not, but with Hu- but our first go-to is humor.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
18. BSBrian Simpson
  And I remember the, the doctor getting upset with me. Like, the s- the, the surgeon, the lady that was about to s- she was about to put a stent. So, you know, I'm sitting there, and she was like, "Hey, something very serious just happened to you." [laughs] You know?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. BSBrian Simpson
  Because I was just talking, you know, I, I was... But it was just how, I was just coping, you know? But she-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. Right
22. BSBrian Simpson
  ... she was not happy about it.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you tell her, "That's how I deal with things"?
24. BSBrian Simpson
  No, I was already all drugged up and shit, you know?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh. [laughs]
26. BSBrian Simpson
  But it was, 'cause it was one of them things where I think, like, you can't, they can't put you out completely. Like, it's, it's not that kind of anesthesia.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, okay.
28. BSBrian Simpson
  But they, but I think they need you to be conscious kind of, in case something goes wrong.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
30. BSBrian Simpson
  But they, but whatever the fuck they put me on, I don't remember any of it.
5:54 – 7:59
Hospital culture: nurses vs. doctors, bedside manner, and medical bills vs. vet bills
1. BSBrian Simpson
  But maybe they can't. I don't know. I don't know what's, what else was going on. And medical people are real sensitive about criticism.You know, some of them were really like, "We save lives. How dare you?" And it's like, all right.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. BSBrian Simpson
  We're still... Yeah, some of y'all are still assholes, though.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, then they don't have the best sense of humor. They can't.
5. BSBrian Simpson
  [laughs]
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, that's not the way... If you wanna be a really good doctor, you can't be also a stand-up comedian.
7. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, yeah. Well, the... See, the... No, see, the nurses have a sense of humor.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
9. BSBrian Simpson
  The doc- Right.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
11. BSBrian Simpson
  The, the, those-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Nurses are fun
13. BSBrian Simpson
  ... they might as well be different species.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Nurses are fun. Like, nurses come in, they joke around with you, they fuck around. Like, some of them do, at least.
17. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. And, and-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Some of them kill you
19. BSBrian Simpson
  ... let's be honest. The, the, in the, in, in Atlanta, the, the nurses were incredibly attractive. Like-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
21. BSBrian Simpson
  ... there was f- hot nurses everywhere. I-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Damn.
23. BSBrian Simpson
  Like, nurses, and there's something about, like, vet techs, like working at a... The one, the ladies working at the vet hospitals.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah?
25. BSBrian Simpson
  There's something about going into that field. I don't know what it is.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Vet techs, you mean veterinarians?
27. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, like veterinarians.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Yeah.
29. BSBrian Simpson
  But not the ve- not the doctors.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
7:59 – 9:47
Marshall the dog eats rocks: chaotic vet trip and why dogs don’t always learn
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Pretty recently. Marshall swallowed a bunch of rocks.
2. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, goddamn.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. He, um, we... Someone spilled chicken food on the gravel, and he ate all the chicken food, then just kept eating and started eating gravel.
4. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, my God.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  He's retarded. He's the sweetest-
6. BSBrian Simpson
  [laughs]
7. JRJoe Rogan
  He's the sweetest, sweetest dog that's ever walked the face of the earth, but he is not clever.
8. BSBrian Simpson
  [laughs] What?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And, and so, um, we bring him inside. No one knows. No one knows anything that happened, and then he starts throwing up, and he's throwing up rocks, like little pebbles, and then he starts getting diarrhea, and he's diarrhea-ing pebbles. And I'm like, "Oh, no." And then we put two and two together. We figured out what happened. And so then I had to take him to the vet. So I took him to the vet, and he had to stay there overnight, and luckily, they didn't have to do surgery. Um, they pumped it out of it. They somehow or another got the rocks out of his stomach, and they had to keep scanning it to make sure there's no rocks remaining in there. And so he passed all the rocks. He either threw them up or shit them out.
10. BSBrian Simpson
  Hmm.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And then within a certain amount of time, I think he was there for, he was there for at least 24 hours. But af- after a certain amount of time, he started eating, and then they weren't worried about him anymore. That dog fucking eats. He just, all he wants to do is eat.
12. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  He gets so excited.
14. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  All he wants to do, his favorite thing is eat.
16. BSBrian Simpson
  He's like, "I want every morsel of flavor-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
18. BSBrian Simpson
  ... out this dirt."
19. JRJoe Rogan
  It's so crazy. He kept eating rocks. I mean, he ate pounds of gravel. It wasn't, like, a small amount of gravel. It was the amount of gravel that was in my living room-
20. BSBrian Simpson
  [laughs]
21. JRJoe Rogan
  ... on the carpet. It was crazy.
22. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, wow.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  The, out of throw up and just diarrhea. It was everywhere. It was d- it was a crime scene.
24. BSBrian Simpson
  I bet you he won't do that shit again.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah, he will.
26. BSBrian Simpson
  He will?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  He'll do it tomorrow.
28. BSBrian Simpson
  [laughs]
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude, that dog doesn't learn shit. He's the best. Like, he's a sweet dog. I love him so much.
30. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, right.
9:47 – 15:54
Dogs, wolves, and apartment pet ethics: big breeds in small spaces
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I rub his belly. He's the best, but he is not... That used to be a wolf. That's what's so fucked up about human beings. We took something that's the most clever, most, uh, like, they, like, communicate with each other. They plan traps on animals. They're so clever. You can't... And also, you can't train them. You know that about wolves? You can't train them. That's why you don't see wolves in the fucking circus.
2. BSBrian Simpson
  Mm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  You cannot train... You could train a bear. You could train a lion. You could train a tiger. Wolves just go, "Fuck you. I'm gonna do exactly what I wanna do." But not dogs. Certainly not my dog. Like, Marshall, he's the sweetest. Like, he was so easy to train.
4. BSBrian Simpson
  See, that's wild, 'cause you can train a lion, but you can't train a, a house cat.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Can't train a w- well, you could train house cats to do certain things. Like, some people have trained their house cat to shit in the, the toilet.
6. BSBrian Simpson
  No, Joe, there's a, there's a video of, like... I, it, it, I want, I wanna say she's Russian. It's a Russian lady. She's, like, the world champion cat training lady.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
8. BSBrian Simpson
  And, and she, and she's getting these cats to do a whole bunch of shit. But every now and then-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  They do what they want
10. BSBrian Simpson
  ... they just do what the fuck they want. Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that's true. You can't get them to do it like, like a really good dog will, like a Belgian Malinois that's a soldier.
12. BSBrian Simpson
  No, absolu- absolutely not.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Just does every task you ask him to. That's impossible.
14. BSBrian Simpson
  Absolutely not.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  But with wolves, you can't train them to do anything. They won't listen.
16. BSBrian Simpson
  I didn't know that.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  They don't listen to you at all. I had a friend who had wolves. He had, like, seven, eight timber wolves, and they got out and killed a bunch of his neighbor's sheep. They, like, you couldn't stop them from doing anything they wanted to do.
18. BSBrian Simpson
  Why-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Whatever they wanted to do
20. BSBrian Simpson
  ... why did he have a pack of wolves?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  He's an idiot. He had three of them. I was like, "You don't have these dogs. You just feed them. You don't... This is not like a dog."
22. BSBrian Simpson
  No.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  "They don't listen to you, and you have a, a house with a yard. Like, that's crazy. Like, you, you should have, like, an enormous piece of land, and even then, if you have wolves, they're gonna kill everything they run across."
24. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, they need miles of-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
26. BSBrian Simpson
  ... of space.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. They're, they're cardio machines. They run through the mountains.
28. BSBrian Simpson
  Right.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  They chase down moose.
30. BSBrian Simpson
  That's why I, I get so irritated when, 'cause I'm in a, I'm in apartments now.And I'm in one of those, I don't know what the fuck is going on with my building, but, but the, the, it's full of dog pe- Like, the building is for dog people. There's, there's a dog wash, the, all of the grass around it is all fake, and there's, there's fucking shit bags every 10 feet.
15:54 – 21:59
Cats: stubborn grooming, trauma backstory, CBD at the vet, and why catnip works
1. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. When I tried to, when I moved out here from Cali, uh, like, she c- she can't fly.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, so did you drive her across the country?
3. BSBrian Simpson
  I paid somebody to.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, there you go.
5. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, me, that would, that would be a fu- actually, I didn't have a car at the time, but that would be a nightmare.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
7. BSBrian Simpson
  She, this is the most stubborn c- like, this creature, like I, I, I have a hard time getting her... I, I've taken her to three groomers. They all been like, "You gotta come get her."
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah. [laughs]
9. BSBrian Simpson
  "You gotta come get her." 'Cause she don't, she doesn't like to be w- restrained in any way.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
11. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. And at the slightest sign that you are thinking about holding her down or putting her in something, she will fight with everything she got.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, is she a feral cat?
13. BSBrian Simpson
  No. Well, she might've been. She might've been.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Where'd you get her?
15. BSBrian Simpson
  I got her... Uh, the, the story the lady told me, it doesn't really add up, but basically she wa- a, a, a divorce happened.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
17. BSBrian Simpson
  This family had two cats and a dog, and then the wife got the house and started fostering animals. And then my cat's brother, who... So her and her brother were the original cats. My cat's brother started, basically, like, joined this pack of cats against, against... 'Cause Millie don't socialize at all, but her brother kinda turned on her or-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Game of Thrones.
19. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. And so since then she was just hostile with everybody.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
21. BSBrian Simpson
  All the animals, I mean.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Geez.
23. BSBrian Simpson
  And so when I came to get her, all these animals were in this lady's house except Millie. She was in the garage, and they had a little post, and she was in the garage. And when I came to take her, she was so down to go. She was like, "Fuck all them people. Fuck my brother."
24. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
25. BSBrian Simpson
  "Fuck this guy." She was so-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  But she likes you.
27. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh yeah, she loves me. She still to this d- she follows me from room to room.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Aw, well, that's sweet.
29. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she also-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Does she have a chance to just choose one person, too?
21:59 – 28:00
Outdoor cats and coyotes: predation risk, urban ecology, and ‘Coyote America’ facts
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I worry about coyotes, man.
2. BSBrian Simpson
  And-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  When you let cats out, man, coyotes are fucking every- and they target your house. They know where the cats are. They know the cats that get let out.
4. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, but they, but, but it's like it, it ki- nothing comes near my building, 'cause it just smells like, just all, ev- it smells like 50 dogs live there.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, but they eat dogs too.
6. BSBrian Simpson
  Really?
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
8. BSBrian Simpson
  Mm.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, my daughter's puppy got eaten by a, a coyote-
10. BSBrian Simpson
  Coyote?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in California.
12. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Guy was training it and he left the pup- the puppy outside, it got eaten by coyotes.
14. BSBrian Simpson
  Bro, I haven't seen no coyotes...
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, I've seen them.
16. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, also, but here's the other thing too, my, my, my, my girl is, you know, she, she takes zero chances. The slightest sign of danger and she, she already got-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Rawr.
18. BSBrian Simpson
  No, she got 50 spots to hide and run-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, okay
20. BSBrian Simpson
  ... and, like, she's never gotten into it with anything.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  The thing about coyotes is they have it in... They're predators, right?
22. BSBrian Simpson
  Mm-hmm.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  And cats are predators too, but pets are different than wild animals.
24. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, there's basically no predator.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  They're, they're very different.
26. BSBrian Simpson
  She'll bring a fucking mouse in the house.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I mean, they kill stuff. They, they, they kill stuff for fun, but there's a difference between that and needing to eat, and needing to, like, eat cats t- in order to survive, which is what coyotes do. So coyotes know where the cats are. They know what the smell when cats are peeing outside. So if they know a cat lives in the house, and they know the cat pees outside, they just hover nearby and wait, because they know it's a matter of time before the cat has to go outside.
28. BSBrian Simpson
  You know what's funny, man? I haven't seen a coyote the whole time I lived in Austin. I think it's-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  They'll hide
30. BSBrian Simpson
  ... three years now.
28:00 – 35:02
Domestication experiments and wild predators: raccoons, foxes, bears, and salmon runs
1. BSBrian Simpson
  Or you know who's, um... I just saw something about how, uh, raccoons are the next animal that, that's being, uh, you know, tamed or domesticated or whatever.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, I believe that.
3. BSBrian Simpson
  The, the ones, the ones in the city are starting to have like shorter snouts and-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, whoa.
5. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, they're starting to-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Look more like how wolves became bitch-ass wolves when they came around the fire.
7. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, that's, that's... They're basically, they're starting to get cuter.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Like dogs.
9. BSBrian Simpson
  The ones, the ones closer to us are getting cuter because they know it-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh
11. BSBrian Simpson
  ... it gets them treated better.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
13. BSBrian Simpson
  The cuter, the cuter ones [laughs] have more b- more babies. The same thing in-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
15. BSBrian Simpson
  I know, and that's crazy. 'Cause I read somewhere that we haven't actually domesticated cats, or, or not-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  That makes sense
17. BSBrian Simpson
  ... maybe domesticated isn't the word, but-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Never got them to the point where we did with dogs.
19. BSBrian Simpson
  Ex- exactly.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. BSBrian Simpson
  But, but raccoons are getting there.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  That's so interesting.
23. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, bro.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Because, but it makes sense. Like, did you ever hear about that Russian study they did with foxes, like how quickly you can domesticate a fox?
25. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, no. I didn't know that you could do that.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, it's really quick. So you start out with foxes, and any fox that shows any aggress- You start out with a bunch of foxes, and any fox that shows any aggression to a person, you kill it on the spot.
27. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, they ... Bang.
29. BSBrian Simpson
  Mm-hmm.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Dead. Fuck you. Get all the ones that survive are ones that have no aggression towards people, and then slowly their snouts get shorter and their ears start to flop. And over the course of like 10 years, you got a totally different animal. See if you can find that, champ.
35:02 – 37:57
Everglades python problem: robot rabbits, AI maps, and animal ‘highways’
1. BSBrian Simpson
  ... you know, uh, I just saw some shit about Florida. So they, they have a serious, uh, uh, snake problem now.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
3. BSBrian Simpson
  Like a, I think it's, it's-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Pythons
5. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. It's pythons.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. BSBrian Simpson
  And, um [clears throat] -
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I had a dude on, Python Cowboy. He gave us a head. Where is that head? Do you know where that head is?
9. BSBrian Simpson
  Well, yeah. Well, they ... So they, they have, they've been trying to catch ... So a- a- apparently it came from the '80s and the '90s. It was like a big python pet boom, and then-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it was the research center that got hit by a hurricane.
11. BSBrian Simpson
  Right. That's what I was about to say, that now-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
13. BSBrian Simpson
  ... the hurricane came. They g- they released them into the wild, and now it's a problem, and they tried paying hunters to get them, and they tried the training dogs to find them, and nothing is good enough. But then s- they madeThey made robot rabbits.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
15. BSBrian Simpson
  You see this? Yeah, they made, they made robot rabbits. And they made them, they made them, um, they put them in these boxes, and they, they f- they generated fake body heat, and f- and, and the, and the scent of rabbits and everything. And it did attract, it did pull the snakes, but it pulled everything else too. So what ended up happening is [laughs] the, the snake's only natural predator was these, was, was alligators. And the alligators was fucking these things up, and the s-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
17. BSBrian Simpson
  ... the snakes purposely e- avoid the allo- the alligators. So it ended up having the opposite effect. The snakes stayed away, and the alligators were fucking these boxes up.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, wow.
19. BSBrian Simpson
  Right. And it was almost a complete waste, but then one of the nerds, as they were about to shut the whole fucking thing down, he noticed in the data that what they actually found out... So they plugged it into AI, and the AI did this whole fucking map of all the data. 'Cause, because apparently before every attack, the, uh, the, those boxes were still, like, tracking movement and everything, what was going on. And they found out that the animals have, like, highways.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
21. BSBrian Simpson
  So it's not that the snakes were in random places, it's that, it's that the, the snakes and the alligators were using these, these highways that only they could smell-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh
23. BSBrian Simpson
  ... of, of, like, the quickest ways to get through the Everglades and stuff like that. And so they were able... So now they just, they know where they are, and they know how they get from one part of the, of the swamp to the, to the other.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
25. BSBrian Simpson
  And they didn't... They... So we learned something. We still [laughs] don't know what the fuck to do about the pythons.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  They use dogs a lot, where the dogs find the eggs.
27. BSBrian Simpson
  Well, they, they've trained these two dogs specifically, but it, but they got to the point where it's like, it, it, you know, you just, it's just so much ground to cover. Two dogs ain't gonna do it. And it w- 'cause, 'cause so that's the problem with the pythons. I mean, we could wipe them out if we wanted.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think we can.
29. BSBrian Simpson
  Well the, well the problem is-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  The Everglades are so big
37:57 – 42:30
Politics detour: ‘World War 11’ clip, public mistakes, and bad-day brain fog
1. JRJoe Rogan
  But you think about all the money they do spend shit on. Like, if they got all the Somali daycare center money back-
2. BSBrian Simpson
  [laughs]
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... we could kill the snakes. [laughs] Yo, did you see Ilhan Omar? She was reading off of, uh-
4. BSBrian Simpson
  Who was that?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... a script. She's the woman who's a congresswoman from, uh, Minnesota, from Minneapolis, and she was re- she's connected, at least accused of being connected to the Somali daycare center, 'cause she's Somali. She, she's accused of being connected-
6. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, okay
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... to this fraud. So she's reading off this, uh, script, and you know how people write World War II, and they use, like, I-I for two?
8. BSBrian Simpson
  Okay, yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, she reads it as World War 11.
10. BSBrian Simpson
  Ugh.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
12. BSBrian Simpson
  This is a congressperson?
13. JRJoe Rogan
  She's a congresswoman. See if you can find the video, Jamey. It's, it's kind of adorable. It's kind of adorable, because I don't think English is her first language already. At least it doesn't sound-
14. SPSpeaker
  The last time the Alien Enemies Act was invoked, it was used to detain and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants during World War 11. Oh, two.
15. BSBrian Simpson
  Ugh.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
17. BSBrian Simpson
  At least she caught it, though.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  I didn't know she caught it.
19. BSBrian Simpson
  Ugh.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  I never saw it. The, the, they always cut it off before she caught it.
21. BSBrian Simpson
  Well, that's politics, bro. D- politics is fucking brutal, man.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  It's gross.
23. BSBrian Simpson
  I, the, I don't understand why anybody would wanna go into it.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  But you imag- how could you say World War 11? Like, you know there haven't been-
25. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, I've, but I've said-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  ... nine other wars you forgot about
27. BSBrian Simpson
  ... but I've said way dumber shit than that. [laughs]
28. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
29. BSBrian Simpson
  I've said way-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  But have you ever reading off a written speech?
42:30 – 54:20
Gaming deep dive: Deadlock’s MOBA-like design, time sink, and luxury setups
1. BSBrian Simpson
  S- sometimes I, sometimes I, I... 'Cause I get... I'm a big gamer. Sometimes I'll get a-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm
3. BSBrian Simpson
  ... and I'm one of those people that like, if I pay $60 for a game or s- now it's like $80, but I'ma play the fuck out it. Like the day it come out, I'm playing it all night.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  So you playing online or you playing the game itself?
5. BSBrian Simpson
  Both.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Both.
7. BSBrian Simpson
  It depends on, it depends on the game.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Like what is the games that you like?
9. BSBrian Simpson
  Uh, all type of shit.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Like what's the big one right now?
11. BSBrian Simpson
  Right now the game I'm playing the most is called Deadlock. It's not, it's not avail- it's not open available to the public.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  It isn't?
13. BSBrian Simpson
  No. You, you-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Dude, you're a developer?
15. BSBrian Simpson
  No.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  How do you get this shit?
17. BSBrian Simpson
  No, but you can get... You have to be invited. It's a closed... Uh, what do they call it? A closed beta or play test.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, okay.
19. BSBrian Simpson
  Closed play test.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  That's how hardcore you are? You get invited to beta tests?
21. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, yeah. I got n- I got a bunch of nerdy friends.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
23. BSBrian Simpson
  Uh, yeah. Well, actually, my little... One of my little nerd groups is like, it's, it threw one of the servers at the mothership. We all game.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
25. BSBrian Simpson
  We like, we on the same Discord. We'll get on there. We already-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, man
27. BSBrian Simpson
  ... 'cause it's nice to have a group where it's like some new shit come out and we like, "Yo, this is-"
28. JRJoe Rogan
  This is Deadlock?
29. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Ooh, this looks cool.
54:20 – 1:01:14
Streaming as a career: T-Pain’s setup, Rogan’s early podcast years, and work-life tradeoffs
1. BSBrian Simpson
  And th- this is me not streaming. I'm go- I'm gonna start streaming this summer, so I'ma have to add a couple of things.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  So you're just gonna start playing video games and streaming it?
3. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  You can make a lot of money doing that.
5. BSBrian Simpson
  It's easy money, too.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  It's crazy.
7. BSBrian Simpson
  'Cause-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause you're already gonna play games, right?
9. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. And I know some p- I know some people just, like, they don't go on the road because they make so much money doing this.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow. But the problem is, how long is that gonna last? Going on the road is forever.
11. BSBrian Simpson
  I mean, it's like... Oh, yeah, but you can always do that.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, but you might not have an audience anymore.
13. BSBrian Simpson
  You have that audience.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, that's true.
15. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  But they'll be, they'll be still stuck on those video games.
17. BSBrian Simpson
  Like, look, like, like, you ever have, um, you ever have T-Pain on here?
18. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
19. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, T-Pain's... He's one of the... Like, he don't... He's like, "Yo, you gotta, you gotta offer me a lot of money f-" 'Cause he still goes on the road, but it's like you gotta pay him, 'cause he makes so... He's like, "Why would I leave, why would I take m- less money to leave my house?"
20. JRJoe Rogan
  So he just streams?
21. BSBrian Simpson
  He streams, yeah.
22. SPSpeaker
  His setup he's got is fucking crazy.
23. BSBrian Simpson
  It's insane.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah?
25. SPSpeaker
  He's... Like, we have one F1 setup. I think he bought six. Uh, he's got a... His whole studio's in one room. He's got the racing room over here. He's got, uh, the, the... I think probably four different rooms-
26. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah, and they-
27. SPSpeaker
  ... for different things.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  So-
29. BSBrian Simpson
  And he'll game, or he'll have on guests, or he'll just make a, he'll just make a song live in front of you.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
1:01:14 – 1:26:24
Nicotine, smoking, and ‘blue zones’: Gundry clip, pouches vs cigarettes, vaping addiction
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Um, I'm gonna send you something, uh, Jamey. This is kinda crazy, but, uh, I sent this to Tom Segura. I said, "It's time to start smoking again," 'cause there's this guy that's making this argument that there's a benefit to smoking as long as you do it with the proper diet, that there's some sort of a, an actual benefit to cigarette smoking. Because one of the things about these blue zones where people, like, live forever, a lot of these people that are, like, living that are really old, they smoke cigarettes.
2. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. That's what tripped me the fuck out. Like, you know, every time they, every time they go, "This is the oldest person alive, they 109," right? And they-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And they smoke
4. BSBrian Simpson
  ... and they ask them, they go, "What's your secret?" And they go, "Uh, I smoke, I drink firewater."
5. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
6. BSBrian Simpson
  And-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  So listen to this
8. BSBrian Simpson
  ... and I chill
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... "Smoking is good for them: Top heart surgeon's claim is breaking the internet. Clip is exploding after cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Steven Gundry made a claim that's turning everything people thought they knew about smoking upside down. His argument is smoking, specifically nicotine, can have real benefits when paired with the right lifestyle." At one point, he even says about a patient, "Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well." Points to long-living populations where heavy smoking is common, claims that in part of Sardinia 95% of men smoke and live longer than the women. Says, "Nicotine acts as a powerful mitochondrial up- uncoupler." Uh, argues that, "The damage blamed on smoking can be offset by diet," and suggests that we've been looking at it completely backwards. According to him, the real question isn't why smoking harms people, it's why some smokers live longer and what we're missing. So there's a video in here. Listen to him talk about it, 'cause it's- It's eight minutes long. I don't know how much you wanna- Yeah, but just play a little bit of it- ... 'cause it's kinda interesting. Credit to Dr. Mike on YouTube.
10. SPSpeaker
  Been smoking for 45 years, and they're living a healthy life, and they say, "It's 'cause I smoke." And obviously we laugh about it 'cause we all agree that it's not true. So why did this one case move you so?
11. SPSpeaker
  Actually, let me, uh, stop you right there. Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well.
12. SPSpeaker
  Okay. We need to back up. How, how do we get there?
13. SPSpeaker
  Uh, well, I s- have a whole, whole chapter in Gut Check-
14. SPSpeaker
  Mm-hmm
15. SPSpeaker
  ... looking at the healthiest, longest living people, and one of the unique features of most of the blue zones is that particularly the men are heavy smokers.
16. SPSpeaker
  Okay.
17. SPSpeaker
  And the smoking, actually the nicotine in cigarettes, is one of the best mitochondrial uncouplers that's ever been discovered. And w- we've looked at this through the wrong, wrong lens. We said, "Wow, what other healthy lifestyle things are these guys doing that's preventing smoking from harming them?" In fact, we should have looked at it the other way. What is it about these people who are smokers that allows them to live to 105, 110 years old? And when you do that, then you say, "Okay, smoking was good for them. Why don't we see the oxidative stress that smoking w- we all know occurs? Why don't we see the cancers in these people?" And it's because the rest of their diet facilitates the absorption of the oxidative stress in these guys.
18. SPSpeaker
  So your state is that if you smoke but eat in this specific way, you can negate the effects of smoking, the negative effects of smoking.
19. SPSpeaker
  Yeah. What's fascinating, as a heart surgeon, uh, way back in the good old days, most of our patients were smokers, and they had specific proximal lesions in their coronary arteries. The rest of their blood vessels were absolutely gorgeous, and they were skinny for the most part. So-
20. SPSpeaker
  How did you gauge that? Did you-
21. SPSpeaker
  What do you mean? We operated on 'em. [laughs]
22. SPSpeaker
  But you operate on what other vessels that you saw... Like, you would do peripheral arterial disease-
23. SPSpeaker
  Sure
24. SPSpeaker
  ... screenings on those patients?
25. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, yeah.
26. SPSpeaker
  And you would find-
27. SPSpeaker
  I used to operate on blood vessels
28. SPSpeaker
  ... because one of the number-one risk factors for peripheral arterial disease is smoking.
29. SPSpeaker
  Correct, because the smoking, the oxidative stress-
30. SPSpeaker
  Mm-hmm
1:26:24 – 1:46:09
Money and scams: nicotine industry size, meme coins, pump-and-dump mechanics, and crypto fraud targeting elders
1. JRJoe Rogan
  He's the best. He's the best. But it's like that ability to just sh- turn something off like that. The amount of mo- how much money... Let's, let's look into that. How much money is in the nicotine business overall in America? It's probably way more now with pouches and vapes on top of cigarettes.
2. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh, I think it's less now.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  But I bet the thi- cigarettes probably been less.
4. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  But now, so many people are on the pouches, and so many people are vaping.
6. BSBrian Simpson
  Well, that, well, that, well, that... Well, the thing is, I think there's, I think there's less money overall, but, but that's why the, there's less companies, 'cause they keep getting bought.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
8. BSBrian Simpson
  Right? 'Cause people are smoking less. Like, kid- the kids are smoke way less. They-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Cigarettes
10. BSBrian Simpson
  ... way less cigarettes, and they, they, they don't vape as much as we think.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  But I think there are a lot of them are on the Zyns. A lot of them are on pouches.
12. BSBrian Simpson
  Mm.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Let's guess. What do you think the overall industry of cigarettes, or of nicotine-
14. BSBrian Simpson
  Nicotine
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... nicotine products in America, the collective amount of money that nicotine products in America generate every year?
16. BSBrian Simpson
  I'm gonna say $10 billion.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that sounds about right. For just, well-
18. BSBrian Simpson
  Less than... It's less than $10 billion.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  For the whole country? I'll say six. Let's say $6 billion, 'cause there's 350 million people, plus Mexicans.
20. SPSpeaker
  That's just for the, uh, oral nicotine.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Is how much?
22. SPSpeaker
  Six.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Whoa.
24. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh.
25. SPSpeaker
  Cigarettes is way higher.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  What is cigarettes?
27. SPSpeaker
  76.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Billion?
29. BSBrian Simpson
  76 billion?
30. SPSpeaker
  Billion.
1:46:09 – 2:14:36
Law, revenge fantasies, and neighbor wars: Florida guesthouse contempt case and ‘culture of honor’
1. BSBrian Simpson
  Okay. So, so Joe, check this shit out.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay.
3. BSBrian Simpson
  This is, this is gonna get under your skin. So this dude, Michael Martin in Florida, he, he, he made an addition to his house, a million dollar addition to his house. It, it got approved by the city and everything. And after he put it up, his neighbors complained. They went and dug up some like 100-year-old statute-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh
5. BSBrian Simpson
  ... and, and complained, right? And they, they, so they take him to court, and his argument is, "Well, it got approved by the city. Like, that's why I built it."
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
7. BSBrian Simpson
  "So fuck them." But he, but he compromised already. He compromised and he, he put up a thing to block his view so it wouldn't bother them.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay.
9. BSBrian Simpson
  And that wasn't good enough for them. So then the judge ended up ordering him to tear it all down.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh my God.
11. BSBrian Simpson
  And he refused, and now he's still in jail r- he's still in jail right now-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh my God
13. BSBrian Simpson
  ... for contempt of court.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Is this a homeowners association thing?
15. SPSpeaker
  No.
16. BSBrian Simpson
  No, it's just his neighbor.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  God.
18. BSBrian Simpson
  He, no, no, 'cause he, he, he, everything was approved. It got approved by the HOA, it got approved by the city and everything.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  And he spent all his money.
20. BSBrian Simpson
  He spent all his money, built it up, and then, and then his neighbor had a problem with it.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, his neighbor's a piece of shit.
22. BSBrian Simpson
  And now, and now the judge wants him to tear it down.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Can you imagine your neighbor wanting you to take down an addition to your house?
24. BSBrian Simpson
  Hey-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, why do you give a fuck?
26. BSBrian Simpson
  ... listen, I'm telling you right now, if you, if I'm going to j- if I'm going to jail over that, I'ma whoop your ass. I- I'm at least being there for something.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  That's so crazy that people can take someone to court for doing something to their house. Like, what does it matter to you? Is it affecting your view? Like, what is it?
28. BSBrian Simpson
  Yeah. I think it's one, it's one of those things where it's like the, technically I think the argument you can make is that I bought this house because the forest was right there, and he's chopping down the forest, even though-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that what he's doing, though?
30. BSBrian Simpson
  No, that's not what he's doing, but it's like, I don't know what the... I, and I forget what the, what the statute is that they found. His name was M- Michael-
2:14:36 – 2:18:06
Space and ancient mysteries: new telescopes, giant black holes, the Great Attractor, and pyramid megastructures
1. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh yeah, they're the main guys. Bro, you know, they just launched, um, they... or, or they're gonna launch d- an... on SpaceX, they gonna launch, um, the new telescope.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
3. BSBrian Simpson
  The, uh, what is it? The Nancy Grace Roman, the Roman. The Roman telescope.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
5. BSBrian Simpson
  But ooh, this motherfucker is...
6. JRJoe Rogan
  These, the, th- these new telescopes are kinda crazy because the more they find out, the more they-
7. BSBrian Simpson
  I mean-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  ... find out that, like, oh, we didn't know that.
9. BSBrian Simpson
  What's crazy about this one is how fast they built it and, and this is the craziest part, it's under budget.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
11. BSBrian Simpson
  So they built it faster than they said for less than what they said.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And now how... What is the power of this one in, in the... as opposed to, like, the James Webb?
13. BSBrian Simpson
  Apparently, th- so I was, I, I was listening to this shit. I was fascinated earlier, but, but, uh, they're saying... S- so they weren't comparing it to the James Webb, they're comparing it to the Hubble, to Hubble. Uh, 'cause the James Webb is, is, uh, more infrared. This is more like the Hubble, like a s- but the, the, it t- it takes a pictures at the same resolution as the Hubble, but way, way bigger. S- so they were com- he, they, they, he, they were saying that there is not a, there's not a screen that exists that you could display the picture on.
14. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, it's a wide field instrument, whereas the [clears throat] James Telescope is near infrared.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Interesting. So what is this gonna be able to d- detect that the James Webb can't?
16. BSBrian Simpson
  Exoplanets is one of the big ones.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
18. SPSpeaker
  James Webb.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, shit.
20. BSBrian Simpson
  Like, like way, way, way, way more than we can right now.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Imagine, imagine if they find exoplanets and you could see lights on them, like a city.
22. BSBrian Simpson
  Well, I don't know if that's possible.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  One day.
24. BSBrian Simpson
  Mm.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Just imagine. Imagine how crazy-
26. BSBrian Simpson
  Oh yeah, I think about it all the time
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... fucking crazy that would be.
28. BSBrian Simpson
  I mean, if some way... So yeah, so, so see how huge-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Holy shit.
30. SPSpeaker
  Yeah, it compares more to the Hubble, I think, than the James Webb.

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Intro

Glasses talk: astigmatism, aging eyes, and Rogan’s red-light therapy claim

Brian Simpson’s heart attack: stent procedure, coping with humor, and being scolded by surgeons

Hospital culture: nurses vs. doctors, bedside manner, and medical bills vs. vet bills

Marshall the dog eats rocks: chaotic vet trip and why dogs don’t always learn

Dogs, wolves, and apartment pet ethics: big breeds in small spaces

Cats: stubborn grooming, trauma backstory, CBD at the vet, and why catnip works

Outdoor cats and coyotes: predation risk, urban ecology, and ‘Coyote America’ facts

Domestication experiments and wild predators: raccoons, foxes, bears, and salmon runs

Everglades python problem: robot rabbits, AI maps, and animal ‘highways’

Politics detour: ‘World War 11’ clip, public mistakes, and bad-day brain fog

Gaming deep dive: Deadlock’s MOBA-like design, time sink, and luxury setups

Streaming as a career: T-Pain’s setup, Rogan’s early podcast years, and work-life tradeoffs

Nicotine, smoking, and ‘blue zones’: Gundry clip, pouches vs cigarettes, vaping addiction

Money and scams: nicotine industry size, meme coins, pump-and-dump mechanics, and crypto fraud targeting elders

Law, revenge fantasies, and neighbor wars: Florida guesthouse contempt case and ‘culture of honor’

Space and ancient mysteries: new telescopes, giant black holes, the Great Attractor, and pyramid megastructures

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