The Joe Rogan ExperienceGillis & Normand on Joe Rogan: How Porn Language Outs a Hoax
The crew flags a JPMorgan harassment suit as fiction after reading 'cannons'; Ari Shaffir calls that kind of phrasing the surest tell of a fabricated complaint.
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Protect Our Parks returns: running jokes, drinking, and repeating the formula
- JRJoe Rogan
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]
- SPSpeaker
Wow.
- SGShane Gillis
Let's go.
- SPSpeaker
Wow.
- SGShane Gillis
We're back, boys.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, we're back.
- SGShane Gillis
We're back.
- SPSpeaker
We are back.
- SGShane Gillis
We're Comedy Oasis.
- SPSpeaker
That's right. [laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
What's the story, morning glory?
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
It's been almost a year.
- SPSpeaker
Wow, it's flying by. What are we, 12 now? Is this the 12th episode?
- SGShane Gillis
I don't know. I think we're way-
- SPSpeaker
Or 16 maybe?
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
What? Damn, that's a lot of drinking.
- SGShane Gillis
How many times have we played Free B- Free Bird?
- SPSpeaker
Oh, we're playing it again.
- SGShane Gillis
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
We're playing it.
- SGShane Gillis
Over 75%.
- SPSpeaker
We're gonna go with the exact same episode we always do.
- SGShane Gillis
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, we're gonna talk, we're gonna talk about coming out of the closet.
- SGShane Gillis
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
Play Metallica.
- 0:45 – 3:32
The “cannons” lawsuit: smutty harassment claims and why it sounded fake
- SGShane Gillis
So it turns out that that lady, that, that was a scam. That was fake. The lady who, uh-
- SPSpeaker
What?
- SGShane Gillis
... forced the guy to fuck her. It... Was it JP Morgan?
- SPSpeaker
What?
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Jesus.
- SGShane Gillis
Wasn't real.
- SPSpeaker
She was hot.
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah, I know.
- SPSpeaker
Was that in the last one we did?
- SGShane Gillis
Jamie said-
- SPSpeaker
No, no
- SGShane Gillis
... it's fake, right?
- SPSpeaker
Oh.
- SGShane Gillis
It's fake?
- MNMark Normand
Yeah, the news is going around that it's, like, there was, like, a... The lawsuit is not accurate apparently. It's, like, a retaliatory lawsuit.
- SGShane Gillis
So he just claimed that she said all those things-
- SPSpeaker
Oh
- SGShane Gillis
... and she made him fuck her.
- SPSpeaker
Damn.
- SGShane Gillis
What a pussy.
- SPSpeaker
He's... Wait, is he an Indian guy?
- SGShane Gillis
I believe so.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, gross.
- SGShane Gillis
It, it does read like an Indian guy, now that I'm thinking about it.
- SPSpeaker
Like a scam?
- SGShane Gillis
Like the horniest guy ever. [laughs]
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- MNMark Normand
[laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
Just coming up with the hottest scene.
- 3:32 – 7:16
Reporter affairs, RFK texts, and “romantic” messages that sound like literature
- MNMark Normand
[laughs] There's been a string of middle, uh, middle-aged whores going around lately. Have you noticed that?
- SPSpeaker
Love it. It's back.
- MNMark Normand
It's back. Like, the-
- SPSpeaker
It's back
- MNMark Normand
... the reporter chick who's been banging the football coach. Uh, Kristi Noem was cheating on that guy with the tits.
- SGShane Gillis
Well, that guy with the tits was fucking-
- SPSpeaker
God, those tits rocks.
- SGShane Gillis
That was crazy
- SPSpeaker
... those are cannons.
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah.
- MNMark Normand
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
The chick who wrote the RFK article that had a deeply emotional relationship with him.
- MNMark Normand
Oh, really?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. Then, and then there was a-
- SGShane Gillis
But it was just texting
- SPSpeaker
... that was a second one. It was crazy. Then there was a second one she had like that. She, she likes to get to know her subjects.
- SGShane Gillis
The texts-
- SPSpeaker
Bro
- SGShane Gillis
... the texts were wild, though.
- SPSpeaker
Deeply emotional.
- MNMark Normand
Really? Pull 'em up.
- SGShane Gillis
Ba- both back and forth?
- SPSpeaker
Uh, his-
- SGShane Gillis
His version was wild?
- SPSpeaker
I think... Wait, this is a while ago, right?
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah, it was a couple years ago.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, it was something like, "Let my river flow into your..."
- MNMark Normand
Ooh.
- SPSpeaker
It was, it was odd.
- MNMark Normand
It's like a Dave Matthews song.
- 7:16 – 15:42
Trump assassination attempt talk: security failures, conspiracies, and the time-traveler tweet
- SGShane Gillis
Well, Trump almost got a shot the other day.
- SGShane Gillis
Isn't that crazy?
- ASAri Shaffir
What happened?
- SGShane Gillis
Crazy.
- SGShane Gillis
That's the third assassination attempt on that dude.
- ASAri Shaffir
The fucking guy run, ran through- [laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
You didn't see this?
- ASAri Shaffir
I- so Bobby Kahn mentioned it in passing.
- SGShane Gillis
You didn't know about the assassination attempt?
- ASAri Shaffir
Not really.
- SGShane Gillis
It was at the White House Press Correspondents Dinner.
- SGShane Gillis
Where Reagan got shot.
- ASAri Shaffir
With, was it Michelle Wolf?
- SGShane Gillis
He got shot at that.
- SGShane Gillis
Same hotel.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, really?
- SGShane Gillis
Oh, wow. That hotel.
- SGShane Gillis
So that must've been, Tripadvisor must be rough on that one. [laughs]
- ASAri Shaffir
At the Correspondents Dinner. Did, was there a comedian there?
- SGShane Gillis
No, it was-
- SGShane Gillis
Oz the Mentalist
- SGShane Gillis
... it was Bo the Mentalist, yeah.
- SGShane Gillis
Oz the Mentalist was the host.
- SGShane Gillis
You'd think he would've saw it coming.
- SGShane Gillis
You'd think.
- SGShane Gillis
Ah!
- ASAri Shaffir
He probably kept his mouth shut. He's like, "I think we're gonna go attack two more Arab countries."
- SGShane Gillis
[laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
You know what's hilarious? Metzger goes, "Did you see the fake assassination attempt?"
- SGShane Gillis
[laughs]
- 15:42 – 17:40
Hinckley’s music, file-dump cynicism, and MKUltra’s darkest proven stories
- SPSpeaker
They're gonna release some K Ultra files this week, I think.
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah, I bet.
- SPSpeaker
Are they?
- SPSpeaker
I mean-
- SGShane Gillis
I bet.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, right
- SPSpeaker
... UFO files.
- SGShane Gillis
They were supposed to release UFO files.
- ASAri Shaffir
A lot of black lines coming in that one.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah, whatever happened to the fucking UFO files? What, did they-
- ASAri Shaffir
Did they do Kennedy yet? Is Kennedy out?
- SGShane Gillis
No.
- ASAri Shaffir
What? He-
- SPSpeaker
What, JFK?
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
Turns out there was-
- SGShane Gillis
Some stuff in there that we couldn't see.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
CIA.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yep. Maybe some other ones.
- SGShane Gillis
Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna launches house hearings on MKUltra next month. I-
- SPSpeaker
What is that, a gang?
- SGShane Gillis
No. [laughs]
- ASAri Shaffir
I did see MKUltra.
- SGShane Gillis
What's MKUltra? You don't know what that is?
- SPSpeaker
No.
- SGShane Gillis
That's the mind control experiments that the CIA did in the 1960s, '70s.
- ASAri Shaffir
On just people going to hookers.
- 17:40 – 28:25
Legal prostitution, handjob logistics, and what a ‘free market’ would do to dating
- SGShane Gillis
How many marriages would completely dissolve if prostitution was totally legal?
- SPSpeaker
Uh...
- ASAri Shaffir
It'd be a lot easier to do.
- SPSpeaker
Are they talking? That's the thing.
- SGShane Gillis
Are the p- the hookers talking?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
No, but guys are bad at covering up.
- SGShane Gillis
Different ones. It's like Uber ratings, you know?
- SPSpeaker
Oh, that would be bad.
- SGShane Gillis
You know what I'm saying? Like, some Uber drivers, they won't shut the fuck up. They wanna play music.
- SPSpeaker
I would never wanna see my passenger score.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
I don't want an XL either.
- SGShane Gillis
Oh.
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
Fuck. Oh.
- ASAri Shaffir
From prostitutes?
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
That's bad.
- SGShane Gillis
You know, but I mean, if they, if they made prostitution completely legal-
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah
- SGShane Gillis
... and then they had scores, do you not think gals would do it? I think they would. I think there'd be plenty of gals that would sign up.
- ASAri Shaffir
Ratings? Yeah.
- SGShane Gillis
Plenty of girls.
- SPSpeaker
But they're doing it now.
- SGShane Gillis
If prostitution was open and honest-
- ASAri Shaffir
They're doing it now, and it's illegal
- SGShane Gillis
... how so? Oh, yeah, they are. There's some online form.
- ASAri Shaffir
So of course if you took down the barriers-
- 28:25 – 37:10
Rock music’s decline and psychedelic concert stories (Oasis, Dead, Roger Waters)
- SGShane Gillis
Bro, that fucking concert in Moscow.
- ASAri Shaffir
For who? The Bell Tolls? 100-
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah, it's the best ever
- ASAri Shaffir
... thousand people.
- SGShane Gillis
That is the greatest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.
- ASAri Shaffir
We're gonna watch it later again.
- MNMark Normand
Yeah, it'll do it.
- ASAri Shaffir
We'll watch it again.
- SGShane Gillis
Fuck yeah. Norman, don't be scared of the repeating.
- MNMark Normand
It's gonna be a loop of, of that shit.
- SGShane Gillis
Fine. That's fine.
- MNMark Normand
Fine.
- SGShane Gillis
It's the sickest shit that ever happened.
- MNMark Normand
People haven't listened to this song in a year.
- SGShane Gillis
It's the sickest shit. [laughs]
- ASAri Shaffir
It's a yearly reminder that, like, oh, this is sick.
- SGShane Gillis
We're gonna close out with a live Free Bird from '77.
- MNMark Normand
Oh.
- SGShane Gillis
Fuck you. [laughs]
- MNMark Normand
[laughs]
- ASAri Shaffir
[laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
Could you get me a beer? Here it is. Look at this.
- MNMark Normand
Oh, God.
- SGShane Gillis
We're doing it again.
- MNMark Normand
Bro, come on.
- SGShane Gillis
Jamie, why'd you do that?
- MNMark Normand
Deja Jew.
- SGShane Gillis
Come on.
- MNMark Normand
Save the music for later.
- ASAri Shaffir
It's just slow.
- 37:10 – 49:52
Brock Lesnar’s genetics rabbit hole and the Jackass pain Olympics
- SGShane Gillis
"You animals."
- SGShane Gillis
ThisBro
- JRJoe Rogan
No, wait till you see it
- SGShane Gillis
... she's a fucking-
- JRJoe Rogan
That thing?
- ASAri Shaffir
No
- SGShane Gillis
... athlete
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, shot put. That's her
- SGShane Gillis
She throws that iron ball
- ASAri Shaffir
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Basketball
- ASAri Shaffir
What did you think? [laughs] He thought it was shooting a gun. No
- SGShane Gillis
Bro, she's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Skeet shoot
- ASAri Shaffir
But she looks a lot like him
- SGShane Gillis
... she's a fucking-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh!
- SGShane Gillis
You gotta see her
- ASAri Shaffir
They're related. They're definitely related
- JRJoe Rogan
God
- SGShane Gillis
Watch her-
- ASAri Shaffir
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- SGShane Gillis
... 100%. Look at those genes
- JRJoe Rogan
Or that was Hulk Hogan
- SGShane Gillis
But watch the video. So go to, get to a-
- ASAri Shaffir
Jesus
- SGShane Gillis
... see if you can find a video of her throwing it
- ASAri Shaffir
I would not talk shit, Mark. Mark's talking shit
- JRJoe Rogan
So she's a beautiful, sturdy lady, woman
- 49:52 – 55:44
Streamers provoking strangers, viral violence, and the ‘looksmaxing’ madness
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah. There's this one with, uh, Tiki. Tiki fought for the UFC. He's like a top level trainer, manages fighters. And this, uh, streamer kid is in his face telling him he's gonna fuck him up. And Ti- Tiki's like, "Oh, really?" And he's like, "Yeah, I'll fuck you up for sure." And then he, like, moves too close to him, and T- Tiki just cracks him
- SGShane Gillis
Is that the elbow?
- SGShane Gillis
No, I think he punched him.
- ASAri Shaffir
Oh, okay
- SGShane Gillis
I don't know if he elbowed him or punch. It's so hard to tell 'cause it happened so fast
- ASAri Shaffir
Mm-hmm
- SGShane Gillis
But it's like the dude's in his fa- and this is a dude that... This guy, watch this
- SGShane Gillis
Oh, yeah
- SGShane Gillis
And he's got a drink in his handYeah, it's the elbow
- JRJoe Rogan
Damn
- SGShane Gillis
Is it an elbow? Slow that down a little bit
- JRJoe Rogan
That was right on the jaw
- SGShane Gillis
Let's... It either is a punch or an elbow. It's hard to say, 'cause it happened so fast.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ooh
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah, it's an elbow. Nice elbow
- ASAri Shaffir
He dropped the drink. What did he say to him?
- SGShane Gillis
Nice elbow
- ASAri Shaffir
To get him to-
- JRJoe Rogan
You sure that was an elbow?
- SGShane Gillis
He said he was gonna-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah
- SGShane Gillis
... fuck him up
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow
- SGShane Gillis
He said he's gonna slap him. "I'll slap the shit outta you." Something like that
- JRJoe Rogan
Now-
- SGShane Gillis
But-
- JRJoe Rogan
... is, is that just cause?
- SGShane Gillis
... that is the r- yeah, that is the wrong guy to fuck with
- JRJoe Rogan
Right
- SGShane Gillis
Like, Tiki's really good
- 55:44 – 1:00:42
White House/Oval Office stories and the surveillance-state creep (FISA, car AI, Signal)
- JRJoe Rogan
Joe Rogan's back Yeah
- SGShane Gillis
I'm back. Eight months off the sauce
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow
- SGShane Gillis
Moder- moderation is what he-
- ASAri Shaffir
He went on a, he went on a-
- SGShane Gillis
Moderation is the key
- ASAri Shaffir
He went on a drinking-
- SGShane Gillis
Now that I'm back in Austin, I'm-
- ASAri Shaffir
... a drinking, uh, withdrawal until Trump said you could do mushrooms as well. And then he goes, "Okay, fine. Fine, I'll drink."
- SGShane Gillis
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
What was that like, beating the oval off?
- SGShane Gillis
Pretty fucking strange. The whole thing was strange. How about sending him a text message explaining everything to him, and him saying, "Let's do it"?
- ASAri Shaffir
Wow
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa
- SGShane Gillis
Dude, let's do it, and then the next day he sees me-
- ASAri Shaffir
I think that's his problem. He keeps saying, "Yeah, let's do it"
- SGShane Gillis
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughs]
- ASAri Shaffir
He's getting texts from BB, he goes, "Yeah, fuck it"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah [laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
It always works out for me
- ASAri Shaffir
Shut down the street. Who gives a fuck?
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah. He, he showed up at the, uh, UFC event. He shakes my hand. He goes, "It's done"And then a week later we were in the White House with all the vets
- JRJoe Rogan
Damn.
- SGShane Gillis
All those vets that had taken ibogaine and saved their life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
You should have had... Okay, it's a missed opportunity. You should have had all those vets and then a couple, like, dreadlocked white guys who are also like, "This is gonna help me a lot too." [laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
"This is gonna fucking rule."
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughs]
- SGShane Gillis
I should've had Duncan.
- 1:00:42 – 1:13:41
Epstein note rumors, prison muscle cellmates, and retaliation politics (Comey, ICE/NICE)
- JRJoe Rogan
Here's a fun story today.
- ASAri Shaffir
What, that guy? He's not alive.
- SGShane Gillis
Suicide note purportedly written by Jeffrey Epstein weeks before his death in jail has been kept secret for years-
- JRJoe Rogan
Why?
- SGShane Gillis
... locked up in a courthouse. That means investigators scrutinizing his death lacked what could have been a key piece of evidence.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- ASAri Shaffir
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Soon, in the last hour, they're saying there's a, an, a, a note they found that just-
- ASAri Shaffir
There's a brand-new note for us
- JRJoe Rogan
... yeah, just all of a sudden exists. No one's s- they haven't shown it or said what it says. They're just, everyone's now reporting-
- SGShane Gillis
Well, how about the fucking-
- JRJoe Rogan
... there's a note
- SGShane Gillis
... autopsy that says that his prostate was unremarkable, but meanwhile, he had his prostate removed?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, boy.
- SGShane Gillis
There's a lot of people that don't even believe he died.
- ASAri Shaffir
I think he's alive.
- SGShane Gillis
I think he might be.
- ASAri Shaffir
I think they just face-offed him, and he's living a good life somewhere.
- JRJoe Rogan
You just think they changed him.
- SGShane Gillis
Hmm.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, I think that all the people that all go to that stuff, they're like, "Don't worry. If we kill you, then we're all worried about ourselves."
- SGShane Gillis
Right.
- ASAri Shaffir
"We're just gonna relocate you."
- JRJoe Rogan
Israel.
- ASAri Shaffir
Israel, maybe.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what I heard from Metzger. [laughs]
- ASAri Shaffir
From Metzger. It wouldn't be Israel. He'd live somewhere like-
- SGShane Gillis
Why wouldn't he live in Israel? That's the place where he's most protected.
- ASAri Shaffir
It'd be like Cambodia, Germany.
- SGShane Gillis
No, they'll kill him in Cambodia. You gotta live in Israel.
- 1:13:41 – 1:21:20
Why US healthcare feels like a scam: costs, drug pricing, and mental health failures
- ASAri Shaffir
How come we can't get free healthcare?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, right?
- ASAri Shaffir
Why don't we do that?
- SPSpeaker
What the hell? I'm paying out the ass.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. Why can't we do that?
- SGShane Gillis
I bet if they took all the money from fraud, it would pay for healthcare 10 times over.
- ASAri Shaffir
Or in Ukraine or Israel.
- SGShane Gillis
Oh, yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
Why not?
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah. Right.
- SPSpeaker
Well, that's what's annoying, all these politicians are like-
- ASAri Shaffir
Afghanistan
- SPSpeaker
... "If we get this much money, we can cure this."
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, let me ask you this.
- SPSpeaker
I'm like, "You have all this money. What are you doing?"
- ASAri Shaffir
Small, yeah.
- SGShane Gillis
I think 100% free healthcare would be an awesome thing, but you'd also want doctors to be incentivized to be really good at their jobs.
- SPSpeaker
For sure, but also-
- SGShane Gillis
So you want, like, a doctor-
- ASAri Shaffir
They're, they're not now
- SGShane Gillis
... get one, the guy that did your knee and did my knee-
- ASAri Shaffir
No
- SGShane Gillis
... that's a, he's a bad-
- SPSpeaker
Private
- SGShane Gillis
... bad motherfucker. Right
- ASAri Shaffir
Why can't we have, why can't we have universal healthcare and private doctors?
- SGShane Gillis
Yes.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- SGShane Gillis
We should be able to have both of those things.
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- 1:21:20 – 1:56:43
Fame, money, stealing, and the comedy economy: views, arenas, and building an act
- SGShane Gillis
As soon as they-
- ASAri Shaffir
... and Mark the most.
- MNMark Normand
Yeah. Yeah. I love to steal.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, you steal.
- SGShane Gillis
[laughs]
- MNMark Normand
[laughs]
- ASAri Shaffir
Why are you locking it up?
- MNMark Normand
You fucking steal.
- ASAri Shaffir
Now you gotta call the... You gotta do this-
- MNMark Normand
You steal?
- ASAri Shaffir
... before you about to steal.
- MNMark Normand
Wow.
- SGShane Gillis
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
- MNMark Normand
I got a problem.
- ASAri Shaffir
A little bit.
- MNMark Normand
Just at, like, airports and stuff.
- SGShane Gillis
Little shoplifting.
- ASAri Shaffir
Nah, movie theaters. You do everywhere.
- SGShane Gillis
Movie theaters.
- ASAri Shaffir
Come on, don't sell yourself short.
- SGShane Gillis
They're gonna watch you now.
- ASAri Shaffir
You eat leftovers.
- MNMark Normand
I got sticky fingers.
- ASAri Shaffir
You steal everything.
- SGShane Gillis
He's doing just-
- ASAri Shaffir
You steal food off people's plates
- SGShane Gillis
... just for a thrill?
- MNMark Normand
A little bit of a thrill. Can I get the Winona Ryder thing?
- ASAri Shaffir
Well, it's cheaper, too.
- SGShane Gillis
Yeah.
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