Joe Rogan Experience #2498 - Brendan Schaub

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 3:15

   Post-fight weekend reactions: Joshua Van’s breakout and flyweight questions

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]

   2. BSBrendan Schaub0:13

      Ayy.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Ayy, what's up, brother?

   4. BSBrendan Schaub0:15

      What's happening, my man? Good to see you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What's going on? This is a good time for you to come in, man, right after this weekend.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub0:19

      Pretty good timing, brother.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Holy shit. Bro, for, I mean, everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland- Khamzat fight and the debate, but before we even talk about that, bro, how fucking good is Joshua Van?

   8. BSBrendan Schaub0:31

      [lips smack] And he's only been fighting about five years.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:34

      Crazy.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub0:34

       That's what's scary.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Crazy good.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub0:37

       Five years.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Crazy good.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub0:38

       And he, he has some holes, for sure, that, that certain guys are gonna, uh, you know, expose.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Well-

   16. BSBrendan Schaub0:44

       But five, think how... He's-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Is he not the best on the ground?

   18. BSBrendan Schaub0:46

       He's also 24.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       He's, uh, 24, yeah. Crazy athlete. But his fucking boxing, it might be the best in the UFC.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub0:55

       It's up there.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       It's up there.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub0:56

       Him or Ilia.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah. Well, Ilia.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub0:58

       Ilia's pretty good.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       The thing about Ilia is Ilia's one punch, night night. That's the difference.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub1:02

       It's tough at flyweight to be-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Yeah

   28. BSBrendan Schaub1:03

       ... a knockout artist.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Well-

   30. BSBrendan Schaub1:05

       But then also Josh-
3. 3:15 – 4:12

   Heavyweight aging curves, Volkov stories, and tattoo detours

   1. BSBrendan Schaub3:15

      No, no. There's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing, especially now. The heavyweight division's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:19

      Right. How old Volkov?

   3. BSBrendan Schaub3:21

      59. [laughs]

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:23

      [laughs] I, honestly, I don't think he's as old as you think he is.

   5. BSBrendan Schaub3:27

      Dude, I used to train with Volkov back in the day.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:27

      Right. He was a Bellator champion, M1 champion. He was a Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub3:34

      Yeah, and remember he had w- in Bellator, and then when he first got to the UFC, he had that Moana tattoo on his back.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:38

      [laughs]

   9. BSBrendan Schaub3:39

      [laughs] He had the, he had the stingray.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       And he changed it into that Japanese mask.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub3:43

       Yeah. I like this, think I'm the one-

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       The new one looks dope. The new one looks dope.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub3:47

       It's so dope.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       Yeah.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub3:47

       I like to think I'm the one that kinda bullied him into doing that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       [laughs]

   17. BSBrendan Schaub3:50

       'Cause, like, it's all I ever talked about for, like, six years when he fought.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       [laughs]

   19. BSBrendan Schaub3:55

       And he comes out with just this dope ass samurai tattoo. I'm like, "Yeah, there it is."

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       Well, sometimes you realize, like, this ain't making it. I gotta f- fix this.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub4:02

       Yeah, especially that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       Fix this, yeah.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub4:03

       People are like, "Bro, why do you have a fucking stingray on your back?"

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Sean Brady have? That motherfucker's feet are tattooed.

   25. BSBrendan Schaub4:10

       Bro.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       Like, his entire body's tattooed.

4. 4:12 – 5:30

   Sean Brady vs Buckley: dominance, betting picks, and the ‘how do you recover?’ problem

   1. BSBrendan Schaub4:12

      How good did he look?

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:13

      Phenomenal.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub4:14

      This thing might, you know what?

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:15

      Phenomenal.

   5. BSBrendan Schaub4:16

      I always get stressed out 'cause everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights, and I ha- MMA's tough, dude. MMA's tough to fucking pick.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:23

      Yeah.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub4:23

      So, uh, with the Joaquin Buckley fight, the reason I, th- I told my brother, I'm like, "Literally, put your mortgage on Sean Brady," 'cause Joaquin Buckley did a interview, like, a week before. It was like, "I'm not even working on grappling. I'm not wrestling or grappling. I'm just gonna keep this thing standing and knock this motherfucker out." I was like, oh, buddy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:42

      What? No way. He really said that?

   9. BSBrendan Schaub4:43

      Yeah. Yeah, you can find it out there, Joe.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       But that could've been just a bullshit tactic to try to get Sean Brady, 'cause Sean Brady probably saw that interview, too.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub4:50

       Yeah, and was like, "Cool, say less," and then just-

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       [laughs] I know, but I mean-

   13. BSBrendan Schaub4:53

       10, seven rounds? Three of them.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       I know.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub4:56

       It was nuts.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       But, I mean, you could say that-

   17. BSBrendan Schaub4:59

       I get, I hear you

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       ... if you were just playing mental g- games.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub5:03

       I get you.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       But maybe he actually did that.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub5:05

       And it appeared so.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       It, well, hard to say, 'cause that's how good Sean Brady is. Hard to say.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub5:10

       Agree. It's just tough when you lose like that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Right.

   25. BSBrendan Schaub5:13

       'Cause you go back to the, you go back to the locker room, you're like, "Fuck, we're not even in the same ballpark."

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       No.

   27. BSBrendan Schaub5:21

       Like, I'm, what am I gonna do? You look at your coaching staff, you go, "What are we gonna do?"

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Right.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub5:25

       "I thought I was a top five guy."

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:27

       Right.
5. 5:30 – 9:17

   Suspicious line movement: UFC betting integrity, monitored accounts, and transparency issues

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      Final round. Okay, I was gonna, I was gonna bring this up. So I, I have some insight to this. So there was some very strange betting behavior. Um, it, it says it turns out to be meaningless. BetOnline cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved, uh, from plus 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight. So this is what happened. Um, there was money that moved very quickly before the fight, and, uh, the UFC, obviously, 'cause they've been through this shit with the guys fixing fights, and the FBI investigated it.

   2. BSBrendan Schaub6:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:01

      They got concerned. And so, um, I believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you could bet online, so you couldn't bet big money anymore. I don't know what the ca- Let's find out what the cap they put on it was. Um, but then-You, um, they, they were gonna go ahead with the fight, but they wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So this was the fear. The fear was that some inside camp word got out, Sean Brady's got an injury, and then all the money jumps up.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub6:28

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:28

      'Cause that, a lot of times that's what happens.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub6:30

      But they, they did it right, 'cause I, I... Before, they would just cancel the fight. Like, "We don't know what's going on. We're just gonna cancel the fight." No, just take the fight off the betting sites.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:38

      Well, they only did that one time. They did that one time with the Alexander Hernandez.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub6:42

      Uh-huh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:43

      I don't remember who he was fighting. I don't remember who Alexander Hernandez was fighting. But they did that with that fight, and I thought that was really crazy.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub6:51

       Crazy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       And they asked Alexander, like, "Are you okay?" He's like, "I'm fine. Like, I am planning on winning this fight." But for some reason he became the underdog. Like-

   12. BSBrendan Schaub7:00

       And nothing came out from it, either.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       No.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub7:02

       Like, I, I wish they'd be a little more transparent, be like, "Hey, we looked into it. It's our bad," this, you know? But y- they just canceled the fight, and so everyone... Now we just assume-

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       Something happened

   16. BSBrendan Schaub7:11

       ... something happened, somebody's being dirty.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub7:15

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       And lost his next fight. Um, fuck, who did he fight? He fought someone on a fight night. It was a very good fight, very close fight. The dude was very good.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub7:24

       But I, I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       Uh.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub7:28

       Oh, Michael Johnson. That's right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       It was Mi- It was supposed to be Michael Johnson.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub7:31

       Yep.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       But they didn't have that fight. And then, who did he fight next instead?

   26. BSBrendan Schaub7:37

       Oh.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:37

       So let's just go over this real quick before we figure out who he fought. Amid suspicious betting movement. So what, but what is suspicious betting movement? Like, what if you and your boys all go, "Fuck it, I'm going all in," and you just decide to bet $100,000 on Buckley?

   28. BSBrendan Schaub7:52

       Will that change it that dramatically, though?

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       I don't, that's the question.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub7:54

       I, I think we're, we're talking millions.
6. 9:17 – 13:00

   Betting culture and toxicity: from MMA hate to Pete Rose and ‘betting on yourself’ ethics

   1. BSBrendan Schaub9:17

      But I, uh, but I think, too, back to the betting, I think that's also a reason why now more than ever fighters are getting so much hate. 'Cause if you, you know, you have a nine-to-five and you make $1,000 a week and you put 500 on, say, Khamzat.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:30

      Yeah.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub9:31

      And he loses that 500, that's why it's so toxic now. 'Cause n- yeah, your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money. So I think that's why fighters are getting so much more hate these days than they did... Even when I was fighting, betting wasn't a big thing.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:43

      Oh, yeah. No, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Rafa? Why am I saying it wrong?

   5. BSBrendan Schaub9:48

      Feel like it's Rafa.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:49

      I think so, too. I think I went Brazilian on me.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub9:51

      Might get it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:51

      For a minute there. Yeah, that, you made a real good point about the betting, 'cause that's why people are getting so upset, 'cause they are betting money on it. It's a big problem with some people. With some people, the ability to just bet on anything anytime you want, and now with, like, uh, Polymarket and all these different things, you could bet on, you know-

   9. BSBrendan Schaub10:11

      Literally anything

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       ... fucking anything.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub10:12

       Anything.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:12

       Anything.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub10:13

       Anything.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       Do you, how about that fucking soldier that got busted?

   15. BSBrendan Schaub10:17

       Good move.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       [laughs] He bet that Maduro was gonna get kidnapped. [laughs]

   17. BSBrendan Schaub10:21

       Dude, if you don't... But my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose was betting on his team to win.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       Right.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub10:27

       This dude was betting on his fucking team to win.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       Right.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub10:30

       Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's giving him a pardon, you're out your goddamn mind.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:34

       Well, I don't-

   23. BSBrendan Schaub10:35

       That guy's awesome.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       That's a weird one. That's a weird one. Um, but I mean, why is that bad, but the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked?

   25. BSBrendan Schaub10:44

       Oh my God.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:45

       Like, that-

   27. BSBrendan Schaub10:46

       Bro

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       ... that's crazy. Like, if you get mad at that people, what a hypocrite.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub10:50

       You, you're also dealing with this-

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       You getting mad at that guy?
7. 13:00 – 27:09

   Strickland vs Khamzat: shoulder injury, deep-water cardio, and the judging dilemma

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:00

      'cause I fucking bet against myself like an idiot. Yeah, like you're an idiot. Right? You made- You made dumb money this fight. [laughs] You'd have to be a fucking psycho, like, to try to win knowing it's gonna cost you money. Like, your whole camp, paying your fucking trainers, your manager, everything. [laughs] Dude, fucking nightmare. Well, it's like the- Ah ... the Khamzat-Strickland fight. You and I, right when that fight got announced, we texted each other- Mm-hmm ... and I went, "Good fight. Good fight. I know everyone's gonna... You know, Khamzat's a big favorite," but we both went, "I don't know, man. I can see it." Yeah, I was, I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man, and he knows how to survive. He can survive. And the thing about Khamzat is, if he takes you down, he wants to hold you down and just beat on you and not ex- not expend a lot of energy, like he did with Drekes. That's an issue. You can't do that with Sean. Mm-hmm. Sean is not gonna sit still. He's very hard to hold down. He's got super underrated grappling, super underrated. You know, when we saw he almost threw Khamzat, like, later- Yeah ... in the fight, you know, and he did wind up on top multiple times. Like, it's... He ain't, uh, easy for anybody. Far from it. And he had a blown out shoulder. Boom. That's the other thing. Everyone's like, well, you know, Khamzat was compromised 'cause the weight cuts. Like, well, hold on. Sean had one arm. Sean had one fucking arm, and when he did throw that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Khamzat. No one wants to talk about that. Yes. The most significant punch was in the second round. Yeah. He flash knocks out Kham- then Khamzat's like, "Oh, shit." And he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain. I- And still defended the takedown ... noticed he was doing this at the beginning of the fight. He, uh, before the fight started, he was doing this with his arm. So he's warming up, he's doing this. And he keeps doing this. But he kept doing this with his right arm. I'm like, ooh, that's what I do if my shoulders hurt- Boom ... to see how hurt it is. Yep. How does it feel? Feel the range. Yeah. How's it feel? And he was only going to here. He was only going to here. He kept doing... But deadpan killer look on his face. That motherfucker still won. Yeah. Still won. Here, here's my thing about it. Still fought, when a lot of guys would've pulled out. Couldn't agree more. A lot of guys would've said, "I can't use my arm. I'm pulling out." Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland, too, now that he won, people are like, oh, is he a Hall of Famer? 1,000%. 100%. 100%, he's a Hall of Famer. My thing with Strickland, too, it's like he's gonna be a bigger star now more than ever. I think that fight is the one that put him even bigger. The thing about Strickland is he's the guy that's not supposed to be here. Like, everyone, when we talk about, you know, Chechnyans or Dagestans or wherever these war-torn c- countries are from, and they're like, "This is the only way they made it out." Dude, Strickland was, grew up a poor white kid in America, disenfranchised. Dude had a abusive father. The odds are so against Strickland, so against Strickland, and this motherfucker beat arguably the best striker in the middleweight division of all time in Izzy Adesanya. Beat him at striking, at fucking striking in Australia, and then they give him arguably the best grappler of all time in the middleweight division, and he beats him. So he wor- all, all of you listening, all you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes. He's just a tough white kid who trains his ass off. He's a blue collar guy. He doesn't run a 40 in a 4.4. He doesn't have a 40 inch vertical. He, he, he, he- He's got one bad leg ... he, he- From a motorcycle accident. Yeah. It almost ruined his whole career. Dude, I get chills talking about it. Dude, he, he's a f- he's the guy, he's that blue collar guy, through hard fucking work, is a Hall of Famer, bonafide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the greatest middleweights of all time. Right. And was under... In, in all the sights, he's an underdog. Fluffy, underdog. DDP, underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first fight. Uh, Khamzat, under- massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog. Second fight with, with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up, too, driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath. Crazy. Crazy dude. Crashed his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told him he had a fight, so he had to take the fight. So he had to take the fight with a fucked up shoulder. And if... One of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, uh, in particular in this fight, I noticed it was, they were awkward sometimes. Yes. Sometimes they just looked weird, like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something. He like, he just- Compromised. Yes, 100%. And I saw some of that in the second, uh, Strickland, uh, second DDP fight, you know, where it looked like he was kind of w- throwing his punches weird. You know, which sometimes he does anyway because he goes around the guard. It's awkward. It's strategic. Yeah, yeah. He's throwing shit that you're, you're not gonna block correctly, and then he's gonna land you clean shots. But when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him, like he had this giant break 'cause he punched somebody in, in some fucking low level promotion, right? Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Got in a cage and punched somebody. Yeah. So they... [laughs] Yeah. So they gave him- He's a wild boy. He's a wild boy. [laughs] So they gave him, like, a eight month suspension. That's right. Something like that. Six month suspension, whatever it was. Um, so you see him against Hernandez when he's perfect, and he looks fucking phenomenal. Best I've ever seen him. His, his striking looked phenomenal. Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm like, oh, God, he looks like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy. He looked better.

   2. BSBrendan Schaub18:07

      Best we've ever seen

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:08

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   4. BSBrendan Schaub19:23

      They go easy on journalists 'cause they-

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:24

      I don't really read anything, by the way.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub19:26

      Yeah. [laughs]

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:26

      I really read the headlines-

   8. BSBrendan Schaub19:28

      Yeah. [laughs]

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:28

      ... and then I move on. [laughs]

   10. BSBrendan Schaub19:30

       You gotta be careful with journalists. I, I'll listen to former fighters, it's, in this, or people that have been around the game a long, long time. If you have Khamzat winning, I, yeah, okay. Nobody was robbed, but I can give you a pretty good argument why Strickland won that fight.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:43

       Yes.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub19:43

       You know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:44

       I think he won the fight.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub19:44

       I, I can give you a damn good argument.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:45

       I think he won the fight.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub19:45

       Like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:45

       He was even, like, I was talking to him inside the octagon before the fight. He said, "What do you think?" And I said, "It was really close. It was really close." Because you really never know with judging. You know, we've both seen fights where we were sure that one guy won, and the other guy gets it from the judge. So you don't know. So, you know, in my opinion, I would have to go over it and watch it again. Because when I call fights, I'm just calling them.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub20:08

       It's tough.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:09

       I'm not really scoring them.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub20:10

       Super tough.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:11

       It's weird, 'cause, like, what you're trying to do is make some entertainment out of moments and put some weight to it-

   22. BSBrendan Schaub20:19

       Yep

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:19

       ... and express to maybe the people that don't know exactly what's going on.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub20:22

       You're also listening to your other-

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       Exactly

   26. BSBrendan Schaub20:24

       ... partners in the booth.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:25

       Right. Well, DC's great at that. DC is the best at explaining shit to people that don't know what's going on when it comes to, like, wrestling in particular-

   28. BSBrendan Schaub20:32

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:33

       ... 'cause he's such a elite wrestler.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub20:34

       Mm-hmm.
8. 27:09 – 35:38

   Weight cutting as the sport’s ‘dumbest’ tradition: Khamzat’s extreme cut and performance collapse

   1. BSBrendan Schaub27:09

      But, but with, with Khamzat, too, I also think couple, couple factors that went against him, uh, on Saturday night. He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight.

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:22

      Right.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub27:22

      Defending the middleweight title. You have this wild boy talking so much shit.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:27

      Mm-hmm.

   5. BSBrendan Schaub27:27

      So I, I just, I, I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And then also, Khamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue. Because remember, when I went to his camp, I called you. I'm like, "Bro, I've never seen someone so fucking d- I'm talking vicious. Fucking everybody up, destroying them." I was like, "Oh, my God." So there, there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is, where that's not translating inside the octagon.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:56

      Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut. He cut-

   7. BSBrendan Schaub28:01

      Yes and no

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:02

      ... 100%, dude. He cut 22 kilos. Listen to me. They, he cut 40-something pounds.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub28:07

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:07

       They were making it so that he was gonna fight Jiri Prochazka.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub28:09

       At 205.

   12. JRJoe Rogan28:10

       Right. So he starts bulking up, and he's eating like a fucking animal, and he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of crazy shit.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub28:16

       He said he was 230, I think.

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:17

       He was above that.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub28:18

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:18

       Yeah. He was ab- somewhere north of 230. And so then he's 230 whatever, and so then he's gotta drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub28:32

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:33

       Your body deteriorates. You can't recover. And he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the, uh, weight cut.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub28:40

       I heard it was horrible. Did you hear his brother today was like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:42

       Yes

   21. BSBrendan Schaub28:42

       ... "We, we thought his body was gonna shut down."

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:43

       Yeah. So they took a, an hour off weight cutting, and then they went back. And he, he only had, like, 1.2 kilos to lose at that point, which is, what is that? What is that, like, five pounds? No. No, I mean two pounds? Two and a half pounds.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub28:56

       Two and a half pounds, right?

   24. SPSpeaker28:56

       Yeah, two and a half.

   25. JRJoe Rogan28:57

       What is it? It's 2.2-

   26. BSBrendan Schaub28:59

       It's 2.2 to one

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:59

       ... okay. So somewhere around-

   28. BSBrendan Schaub29:01

       But my thing, he, he was 230

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:02

       ... that's a lot, though.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub29:03

       That's a lot of weight.
9. 35:38 – 41:43

   Cardio and camp philosophy: sport-specific conditioning vs ‘garage science’ overtraining

   1. BSBrendan Schaub35:38

      I'm a big, uh, proponent of do, do your sport. Get your cardio from your sport.

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:45

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub35:45

      Like, I see it across the board. Like, I g- I get a little, a little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Khamzat, you know, hitting the, the tire with the hammer, and doing all these runs. I'm like, yeah, but I'd, I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling-

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:00

      Mm-hmm

   5. BSBrendan Schaub36:00

      ... against top-level guys, and fucking get after it, dude. 'Cause what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor?

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:07

      No.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub36:07

      No. What's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:08

      No.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub36:08

      Why is, why is his cardio so good? 'Cause he fucking spars like a madman all the time.

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:12

       Yeah.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub36:12

       So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints, and do all... Man, I'd rather you get your cardio in, uh, in your actual sport. I see it at the, the lower level, too, uh, with, with kids. I coach football, baseball. These dads are like, "I don't get it, man. I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week. Can't catch a football." I'm like, 'cause, 'cause th- we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:39

       Fucking who can do it the fastest. We're catching footballs, dude. Do you think that there's- Catch footballs if you wanna get better at football ... 100%. But do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose? Yes, but not, not close to the fight. Hmm. Interesting. You, 'cause usually what we would do is out, like, uh, let's say you do, have a eight-week camp. Before the camp starts, we're doing a lot of that stuff. Mm-hmm. And then once we get to camp, we're, the focus was, the cardio was getting it in in your training. Mm-hmm. Um, you know who agrees with you? Aljamain Sterling. Aljamain talked about this. He's pretty good. [laughs] Pretty fucking good. How, how good did he look against Olawale? Dude. Best back control in the game. So I, and I don't... Why is he so underrated? I don't get it. Why he doesn't get his dues- It's the loss to Petr Yan ... it's fucking crazy. No, it's the win- He's so good ... the v- the victory where he had a, an injury- Correct ... from an illegal shot. Yeah. And people hated on him from then on out. Yeah. See how, see how good he did against Evloev? I know. He's amazing. That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won. Yeah. Yeah, he could've easily won that fight. That motherfucker's so good. Yeah, Aljamain's the man. Yes. Um, but he said that Merab does the same thing. Now, who the fuck has better cardio than Merab? I would say nobody, nobody alive. Ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever's four-minute mile or something, but- [laughs] ... as far as what we do? Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. Exactly. He's not getting punched in the face, you know? People should just go to Merab's camp and be like, "What are you doing?" He's an animal. He's like, "I'm wrestling. I'm fucking wrestling, dude." He does run. Yes. He does run, and he does lift some weights every now and then, but he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out against it, but what he did say was that when he did that, 'cause he did some of that Training Lab stuff, he said he was too broken down. He said he was over-trained, and he said he was just too tired when he was going into, like, fight camp. Yep. Like, we s- It's tough to recover ... so you're doing all the other stuff, too. You're, you're still boxing, you're still- Yeah ... kickboxing. Have to. You're still wrestling. And he said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting 'cause, you know, the Marat Burakovich approach was very different with BJ Penn, and that was the best BJ Penn ever. The best BJ Penn ever, but they literally did no fight training. What they did is all plyometrics, and it's different from the stuff the Training Lab stuff's doing 'cause the Training Lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work- Yeah ... and all this diff- because that's what Sam Calavita came from. Correct. Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine. He's explosive. He's like, "BJ- Yeah ... you already know how to fight. Fact. You're not gonna get better at fighting in eight weeks, right? Fact. But what we can do is give you an unstoppable gas tank." And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't, when he was training himself or when he had, you know, wasn't- Him and his brother. [laughs] Yeah, it wasn't the most disciplined. Different days. Yeah. He was phenomenally talented and- Freak ... freak. And one of the things, won the world, the Mundials, at three years in to jujitsu as a black belt. Complete freak. Like, nobody does that. That's why he's almost a bad example, you know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah. Right, but what he, uh, l- the problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not work as hard. Yeah. Right? Like, Sean, although he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you see, like, oh my God, he is so talented. Like, what he does is, like, no one can move that way. No one can do what he does. Like, you know, there's certain guys that are like that. Sean's stuff is hard work. Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them, and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up. Yep. They're not used to getting pressed. So when they have to do this drill where you're r- rotating in new sparring partners over the, and you're exhausted, and y- when you're doing that hell, they don't like that. No. So some guys avoid that shit. They're spot on. They just wanna be tuning guys up. Spot on. Yeah. And so those guys, when they're fighting a Georges St-Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they'll, they might fade. Yep. Because that guy got there in a d- through a different path. I mean, Georges, although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever, and didn't even come from a wrestling background, I mean, Georges is one of the all-time greats. There's not, like, one thing that Georges would do that would make you think, like, that guy's a freak athlete. There's never been anybody like him like that. But- No, f- far from it. To your point, far from it. Right. 'Cause I trained with Georges forever, and when we did, they, they would have us do some stuff like I did in the NFL, like sprints and vertical and the, the agility drills. Like, nothing... Nothing crazy. No. But BJ was- Far from it ... BJ was crazy. BJ's crazy. BJ could do stuff where you're like, "How the fuck can you do that?" BJ, BJ could jump out of a pool and l- and land easy. Yep. You know? Um, BJ can, he has insane flexibility, like the way he moves his legs. His balance is nuts. There's a video of someone trying to take him down, and they have a single, and they are driving across the cage. And he's on one leg. And he's on one leg. Yeah. Hopping with zero fear of being taken down. Freak. Like,

10. 41:43 – 46:24

    Greatest-of-all-time talk: Jon Jones’ resume, era strength, and prime-matchup hypotheticals

    1. JRJoe Rogan41:43

       he's- But to your point, like, BJ's that talented. John's another one. Yep. Where it's like- Right, right. Exact, exact perfect comparison. They're so fucking talented. So fucking talented, and then the difference being, like, John always figured out a way to win, and John, if he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody. Yeah. Right? Like the Gustafsson fight. Oh. First fight with Gustafsson, he doesn't train at all. I talked to Greg Jackson. He's like, "He barely showed up." At all. Barely showed up in the gym. And then has a five-round- For a world title fight ... war ... war, and pulls it out in the final two rounds. Pulls it out. It was crazy. Crazy. Gets taken down for the first time. We see him get taken down by Gustafsson. We're like, oh my God, Gustafsson might be the man, and John pulls it out. So the second fight comes around, and John trains hard. Fucked him up. And John fucks him up. I mean, fucks him up in a way, like, this is what would've happened if I tried. Yes. Yeah. If I prepared the way you prepared, this is what you get. [laughs] This is how it goes. You get a fucking beating, you know? And-... this, this is the dance of, like, who's the greatest of all time, and that's why the argument i- in most people's eyes is that Jon is the greatest of all time, 'cause Jon, he, was all those things. Super talented, and when push came to shove and he, he had to get back in, into work and get in gear-

    2. BSBrendan Schaub43:05

       He would do it

    3. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       ... he would do it, and he would pull it off against DC, he would pull it off... The Stipe fight was, I think that was not Stipe. That was an ol-

    4. BSBrendan Schaub43:15

       No, that, that's when you, like, when you talk about his resume, you're like, "All right." You know?

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:19

       Stipe is the Stipe that, you know, ran through the heavyweight division. The Stipe that-

    6. BSBrendan Schaub43:24

       On a great seven

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:24

       ... knocked out Alistair Overeem, that beat Fabricio Werdum for the title.

    8. BSBrendan Schaub43:28

       Beat Francis.

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:29

       Beat Francis when Francis was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a lot out of his chin, that Francis fight. I really do.

    10. BSBrendan Schaub43:37

        Oh, that changed him forever, I think.

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:38

        'Cause DC knocks him out right after that, and, you know, it wasn't the biggest punch in the world.

    12. BSBrendan Schaub43:44

        No.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:44

        It was a big punch, but it... I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis.

    14. BSBrendan Schaub43:48

        Yeah, back to Jon being the greatest of all time, it's like, when you look at his resume, it's just like, "Fuck."

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:52

        Yeah. It's phenomenal

    16. BSBrendan Schaub43:53

        ... it's wild.

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        Phenomenal resume.

    18. BSBrendan Schaub43:54

        But as, as far as-

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:55

        Youngest ever UFC champion.

    20. BSBrendan Schaub43:56

        Crazy. But as far as, like, uh-

    21. JRJoe Rogan43:58

        Other than Josh Barnett. Did Josh Barnett win it earlier?

    22. BSBrendan Schaub44:00

        Nah, I think Jon's the youngest.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:02

        Jon's the youngest.

    24. BSBrendan Schaub44:02

        And, and Josh-

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:03

        So Josh Barnett was the youngest heavyweight

    26. BSBrendan Schaub44:04

        ... and Joshua Van second now.

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:05

        Right. So Jo- Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at what, 24?

    28. BSBrendan Schaub44:09

        Yep. And those boys were... Well, it, it, it-

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:12

        Didn't they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids?

    30. BSBrendan Schaub44:15

        Yeah.
11. 46:24 – 1:01:04

    Ilia Topuria’s rise, Gaethje chaos, and Arman Tsarukyan as the ‘real problem’ matchup

    1. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       ... look at what happened with Ilia Topuria. Think about the guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway, think about Charles Oliveira, think about Alexander Volkanovski, and he has blasted all of them into orbit. All three of them. First guy ever to stop Max. It's like, you, you, you... If you're in that guy's division, what are you gonna do?

    2. BSBrendan Schaub46:46

       You're fucked.

    3. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       Especially at 45. I don't know what it's gonna be like at 55. Obviously, the Oliveira fight was a one-punch knockout, but-

    4. BSBrendan Schaub46:52

       That was such a bad knockout

    5. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       ... crazy knockout. But when you see him and Justin next to each other, you're like, "Whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger."

    6. BSBrendan Schaub46:58

       Justin Big Cat?

    7. JRJoe Rogan46:59

       He's quite a bit bigger.

    8. BSBrendan Schaub47:01

       Um-

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       Like, he-

    10. BSBrendan Schaub47:01

        ... that's a tough fight

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:02

        ... it's, it's, uh, a different fight than Oliveira.

    12. BSBrendan Schaub47:06

        [laughs]

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:06

        It's different. But, but fuck, then you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max, you're like, "Good Lord." Like, Oliveira's a fucking beast, man.

    14. BSBrendan Schaub47:14

        Dude's phenomenal.

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:15

        And he couldn't do none of that to Ilia.

    16. BSBrendan Schaub47:17

        Yeah, the, the only thing with all that is, like, the, the 55 division, everyone's... No one's in their prime.

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:23

        Right.

    18. BSBrendan Schaub47:23

        Like, Charles is in his prime when Ilia beat him.

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:25

        Right.

    20. BSBrendan Schaub47:26

        Justin's definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're fucking good. But not prime prime.

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:32

        Right.

    22. BSBrendan Schaub47:32

        And the issue is, is Ilia's just getting to his prime.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:36

        Get-

    24. BSBrendan Schaub47:36

        Like, he's-

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:36

        ... just getting to his prime

    26. BSBrendan Schaub47:37

        ... surging

    27. JRJoe Rogan47:38

        ... and already one of the greatest of all time.

    28. BSBrendan Schaub47:41

        He's a fucking problem.

    29. JRJoe Rogan47:42

        Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so, like, completely focused and dialed in.

    30. BSBrendan Schaub47:49

        Good at everything.
12. 1:01:04 – 1:19:23

    UFC economics and fighter pay: production excellence, shareholder logic, and the union that won’t happen

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       You know, look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there. Like, the, this is a $7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman.I'll say that right now. If I was running the UFC, the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out.

    2. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:17

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       The shareholders would have me fired.

    4. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:19

       We'd all be broke. Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       I wouldn't... You, you don't want me.

    6. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:20

       I run that bitch like Affliction. Yeah, you don't want that.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       You don't want me running-

    8. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:24

       No

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       ... the UFC 'cause I'd treat it like I was a communist.

    10. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:26

        I'm also... Yeah, me too.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

        [laughs]

    12. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:27

        I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it, too, 'cause I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

        Of course

    14. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:34

        ... assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, "Man, I feel like we could give some over here." But then if you talk to somebody in the know, they're like, "Oh, do you? Well, look at this, motherfucker." I'm like, "Oh, my bad. My bad."

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

        Okay. Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year.

    16. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:49

        He worked very hard.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

        I'm sure he did, but that was from the UFC.

    18. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:53

        Correct.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

        From TKO, right? That was his payout, and he, he's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy. And-

    20. BSBrendan Schaub1:01:58

        But is he the reason they sold for $7.7 billion?

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

        He's a big part of it.

    22. BSBrendan Schaub1:02:02

        Probably a big part, right?

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

        100%. And the big... And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it for $2 billion, which was a big deal.

    24. BSBrendan Schaub1:02:09

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:10

        You know, the whole thing is like, this is why you're in business. Um, I think fighting is different than any other business, and the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing. You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. You are the only thing that people are tuning in for. There's... Without the fighters, there is no UFC. It doesn't exist.

    26. BSBrendan Schaub1:02:44

        Correct.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

        It is the entire product. The, uh, the thing you're selling is entirely fighters, and it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime. They have 10 years or whatever they have.

    28. BSBrendan Schaub1:02:58

        Two.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

        And, and when they get out, you know, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say. You, you see, like, tics that they have and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. So I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys' bodies, and the consequence is their health, and it's for the rest of their life. And so if you're doing something that is, is, is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that if you're one of those people. The amount of money that is left over for the other people, the people that are making the money, that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place, but I don't think the balance is correct. Now, I'm biased, right? Because, again, I'm not a businessman, but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and, and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love, and I, I think they should be compensated more.

    30. BSBrendan Schaub1:04:09

        Yeah, I, I don't, I don't think you're... I mean, obviously we're biased 'cause we love fighters, and I was a fighter. It, it's not even about being biased. It's, it's just-
13. 1:19:23 – 1:29:57

    Streaming wars and audience math: Paramount vs Netflix, regional rights, and why volume content matters

    1. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:23

       Yeah. Well, here's what's interesting. So, um, one of the players in the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights to the UFC, was Netflix. They were one of the players.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:19:35

       Interesting.

    3. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:35

       They were, they were one of the people that were thinking about doing it. Um, so there was negotiations with them, there was negotiations with ESPN, and ultimately Paramount was like this wild dark horse that came around with the big money.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:19:46

       And I like Paramount.

    5. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:47

       It's great.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:19:47

       I have no issues. Yeah.

    7. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:48

       Look, I love-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:19:49

       The ads are weird, but whatever

    9. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:50

       ... I love Mob Land. I love Land-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:19:52

        Oh

    11. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:52

        ... Landman.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:19:52

        Landman.

    13. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:53

        Yeah. Mob Land is fucking great. Ever watch that?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:19:55

        Fingers Down. Fuck yeah.

    15. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:56

        Fuck yeah. Great show.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:19:57

        Dude, his Audi.

    17. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:57

        Yeah, I know.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:19:57

        His RS6 in that.

    19. BSBrendan Schaub1:19:58

        It's a dope, right?

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:19:59

        Dude, makes me want it so bad.

    21. BSBrendan Schaub1:20:00

        Me too.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:20:00

        I was trying to convince my wife to get one.

    23. BSBrendan Schaub1:20:01

        I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy drive that.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:20:03

        I know, dude. They're sick. They're fucking sick.

    25. BSBrendan Schaub1:20:05

        [laughs]

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:20:05

        They're so sick. It's a great show.

    27. BSBrendan Schaub1:20:07

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:20:07

        Uh, but Paramount has awesome shows, so it makes sense. I already had it. Great. Perfect. I love the fact there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it, 'cause I think Netflix didn't want the... I might be talking out of school, but I'll just say it. I believe what I heard, take... This, here's the caveat, is that Netflix did not want the small fights. They did not want fight nights.

    29. BSBrendan Schaub1:20:31

        Good for them. [laughs]

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:20:35

        [laughs] They only wanted the big ones.
14. 1:29:57 – 1:42:15

    Internet attention economy: bots, astroturfing, clippers, streaming culture, and why kids live on phones

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:29:57

       There's that, but then there's also astroturfing. There's a lot of these-

    2. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:01

       What's that?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:30:01

       Astroturfing is when you, you have fake downloads, fake views. You have, like, companies that you can hire, and they will get you views.

    4. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:12

       But, but-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:30:12

       And so, but here's the thing, we-

    6. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:14

       That's gonna fuck you.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:30:14

       It'll fuck you. But, but the point is people still do it, and they do it because it's, you can do it right now, right? And so what that means is, like, say if you have, like, millions and millions of subscribers, and then you look at the views, the views are hundreds of thousands of views. But then you look at the comments, like fucking five comments.

    8. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:32

       Six comments. You're like, "What the fuck is going on here?"

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:30:34

       Like, "What's going on here?"

    10. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:35

        But it's a weird thing to do, because in order to make money, YouTube sees the back end.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:30:40

        Right.

    12. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:40

        So if you're trying to make money off your show-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:30:42

        Right, but-

    14. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:43

        ... you're not gonna make money

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:30:43

        ... but it'll b- get bigger because of the number.

    16. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:46

        Oh, interesting.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:30:46

        So here's the thing. Like, so if you go to, like, brendanshaub.com, if you did that, if you have Brendan Schaub's YouTube channel, and I looked at it, I'm like, "Damn, he's got 25 million subscribers? Well, I should fucking subscribe." People do that.

    18. BSBrendan Schaub1:30:58

        Oh.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:30:58

        They'll, they'll click on it, and they'll click on your views m- or your videos more often.

    20. BSBrendan Schaub1:31:02

        'Cause they think they're, like, missing out. Like, "Oh, this guy's doing something right."

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:31:04

        Of course, of course. It definitely, I don't, I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate. And if you're-... trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal. You're like, "Well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube." They're like, "Oh, this guy's big."

    22. BSBrendan Schaub1:31:24

        That's true.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:31:24

        "This guy's big." Yeah, it d- it definitely does.

    24. BSBrendan Schaub1:31:26

        But then they're like, "But there's three comments." [laughs]

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:31:28

        Well, there was a, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts, where they would, uh, rig things to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of-

    26. BSBrendan Schaub1:31:38

        Oh

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:31:38

        ... a- audio only.

    28. BSBrendan Schaub1:31:38

        Oh, buddy.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:31:39

        Yeah.

    30. BSBrendan Schaub1:31:39

        Oh, yeah.
15. 1:42:15 – 1:45:04

    Control and distrust: UK speech policing, social credit fears, and conspiracy-heavy politics talk

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:42:15

       Well, you hear what they're doing in the UK? If you were born, um, before, uh, or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21.

    2. BSBrendan Schaub1:42:26

       Just to stop people from smoking?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:42:27

       Exactly. So people that were born in, like, fucking whatever year, whatever year they, they set it at, when they turn 21-

    4. BSBrendan Schaub1:42:35

       They can't buy

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:42:35

       ... they will not be able to buy cigarettes.

    6. BSBrendan Schaub1:42:36

       Just trying to eliminate cigarettes.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:42:37

       But you'll be able to buy cigarettes 'cause you were born at a different time. They say, "Oh, you're retarded. You don't know any better."

    8. BSBrendan Schaub1:42:41

       That's-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:42:42

       "You, you can buy cigarettes"

    10. BSBrendan Schaub1:42:42

        ... so stupid.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:42:43

        It's, they're... It's communism. It's, it's socialism.

    12. BSBrendan Schaub1:42:46

        But didn't they, didn't they just, uh, run out the fucking, what is it, prime minister or the fuck they call him?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:42:50

        He's still there.

    14. BSBrendan Schaub1:42:51

        I thought they ran him out. They're bringing somebody else in.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:42:52

        They probably want to, but they haven't.

    16. BSBrendan Schaub1:42:54

        They want to.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:42:54

        Yeah, but the point is it's like that kind of woke socialism. It's like they're, it's the government telling you what to do. The, when I say communism, I don't mean, like, they take all your money, 'cause they, they'll definitely do that eventually too.

    18. BSBrendan Schaub1:43:06

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:43:06

        But what they do is they tell you what you can say.

    20. BSBrendan Schaub1:43:08

        Correct.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:43:09

        They tell you what you can do. They tell you what medications you have to take. It's all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and what to say and how to think, and they're gonna-

    22. BSBrendan Schaub1:43:18

        They control your life

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:43:18

        ... protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking bananas.

    24. BSBrendan Schaub1:43:25

        So dumb.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:43:26

        It's bananas. It's dumb.

    26. BSBrendan Schaub1:43:28

        But, but, uh, England's lost their way, man.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:43:30

        They've lost their way.

    28. BSBrendan Schaub1:43:30

        Their identity.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:43:31

        Hard.

    30. BSBrendan Schaub1:43:31

        It's a fucking shit show.
16. 1:45:04 – 2:40:33

    Pivot to cars: cigars, Safari Porsches, mods, and the joy vs hassle of horsepower chasing

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:45:04

       Hold on. Dude, last time I- I'm gonna smoke it the little end ... last time I smoke it, I smoked it backwards. I got roasted so hard online. Ha ha. I know. I didn't notice. I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards from now on. Switch it up. It is funny, though. But it's really the same, it's just where the label is. Yeah, man. What are these? I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards. You are a rebel. There you go, fella. Thanks, brother. Here's a clipper. You know how this works. Yeah, thanks. Make sure you clip the right spot. That's better. That one. There you go. Seems to me. Yeah. On that, this, this cigar is different because it's not a torpedo like the other one. So the other one you could get more confused, 'cause both ends were pointy. Do you know how to do that? Yeah. Do you need help? No, I got it big dog. You don't look like you know what you're doing. No, I'm pr- Dude, you know how many cigars I've smoked? [laughs] Only in here. Oh, light it. Ugh. Oh yeah. That's right. Um, so your show. So your show is on Tubi. Tubi. Hey, so light this part, yeah? The... Well, no, but this part. Which p- yeah, light that part. This one. It's fucking, dude, it's tr- tricky, right? No, it's not tricky. No. No? Light- Just retarded? Light... Yeah. Light the part that you didn't cut. [laughs] Um, what is it called? What's your show called? Gear Heads Gone Wild. Oh, that's right. Just like Girls Gone Wild. Oh. Same text and everything. [laughs] Is that a problem? No. Hell no. Though that guy's, I think in fucking, on the lam in Mexico. I think we're good. Is he really? Uh- Is he hiding? Yeah, I think so. Didn't he- Either way, we're good ... didn't he get, like, kidnapped and they fucking sodomized him? Heard some dicey shit. Yeah, yeah. That, that- Mm ... it turned out pretty sad for him. Yeah, something. Mm. Yeah, it's a car... I mean, it's shit with, we, we would be doing anyways, you know? And then they wanted to make a TV show out of it. So, like, I went to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. Oh, nice. He scared the shit out of me. Calvo Vipers. I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin. Nice. I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man. Oh, you like those? God, I keep getting 'em. Those off-road ones? Yeah, I think Russell makes them. Russell, I forget the exact name, but Russell does... Man, I c- I don't know what the fuck it is. When it's an off-road, like that, uh, that, just that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude. I fucking love 'em, man. Why do you love, uh- I don't know ... the off-road ones? I don't know. Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche off-road car to? Oh, I'm sure. Where? I bet, I bet you, especially in, uh, in California. Like Johnson Valley and all that shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But out here, there's, there's places out here people have been hitting me up about. Right, but when you take, when you go off-roading generally, you're going off-roading with a truck- Yeah ... where you can bounce over rocks and shit. You can't really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's, like, more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jakar, right? Russell Built Fab. Ooh, that's dope looking. Dude, some dad had one at the baseball game. That's a 993? Yeah. Oh, wow. So they took a 993 and, and ooh, that's pretty. It's my favorite thing in the world. Wow. I don't know why. Look at the wheel wells. That's crazy. Wow. Perfect daily driver, too. Don't have to worry about scraping or nothing. I, you know, I have a fucking problem with those extra front headlights that they stick on the hood. I do not like them. I think it fucks up the lines of the car. Agree. You could, 'cause you could put those on that front there. Oh, just take 'em off. On the bumper. What are you doing, driving at night- Or take 'em off. Agree ... in the dark? Agree. Shut the fuck up, bitch. Agree. You ain't really off-road. I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not in the woods. Oh, Joe, don't get it twisted. At nighttime. At, uh, like all my trucks. I got that Ram 2500 AV. That thing's never seen the dirt. Right, but that's different. It just looks like it. That's a truck. That looks fine with the- Yeah ... the extra lights on it and shit. Yeah, but still. A Porsche? I agree. I think it's like whenever I see those old 911s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, "Ew." Yeah. "What are you doing?" Yeah. You're ruining the lines- Yeah ... of one of the most beautiful creations. It's like a fat set of fake tits. You're like, "What are you doing?" No, it's like extra fake tits. It's like- Like you've got two fake tits on your- ... total recall ... fucking... Yeah. [laughs] You, you got some fucking collarbone tits. Like, get those out of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better. And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long nose- Classic ... Porsches, oh, it's so beautiful. The best. And when you have dumbass fucking headlights on the hood, like, can't that- It's just not meant to be. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah, I like different sh- uh, I, I don't like... I agree, those, those h- those headlights do fuck up the lines. But, like, uh, the thing I'm r- I'm just into different shit. Like, I like when they swap the LSs in the Porsches, too. Oh yeah, that's dope. Yeah. Just the sound. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That chop. Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's, it's shit like that, man. I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics

    2. BSBrendan Schaub1:49:54

       That's like, oh my God, what, you sh- you should go to jail for that.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:49:57

       Oh, dude, I brought a-

    4. BSBrendan Schaub1:49:57

       You put a water-cooled LS engine-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:49:59

       Bro

    6. BSBrendan Schaub1:49:59

       ... in a Porsche?

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:50:00

       Bro, th- this guy's like, he, he's the head guy for Porsche driving-

    8. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:04

       [laughs]

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:50:04

       ... and he's driving me around and I go, "Man, you ever, you ever driven one of those LS Porsches?" And he was like, "What the fuck did you just say?" And I'm like-

    10. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:10

        Yeah

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:50:10

        ... "You don't get down with those?" He's like, "Fuck no." I'm like, "Yeah, those are gay. Those-"

    12. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:14

        They, [laughs]

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:50:14

        ... those are so gay. [laughs]

    14. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:16

        No, they're awesome.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:50:17

        Yeah, I l- I just like different shit, man.

    16. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:19

        Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. He had, um, one of those, um... What are the, what's the fucking Japanese cat that does the Y bodies?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:50:27

        Oh, I know what you're talking about. I saw him-

    18. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:29

        RWB?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:50:29

        Yes.

    20. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:30

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:50:30

        Yeah.

    22. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:31

        He, he had one of those with an LS in it. It was pretty sick.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:50:35

        And there's, there's companies that do that.

    24. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:36

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:50:37

        Yeah.

    26. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:37

        They're sick.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:50:38

        They're so cool.

    28. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:38

        And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an American muscle car-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:50:41

        Yeah

    30. BSBrendan Schaub1:50:41

        ... but yet it's in a car that's, like, 2,000 pounds.

Episode duration: 2:41:46